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The World Trade Center Rises: View From the Top and a Trip to the Sandwich Shop

Monday, October 18, 2010
By Stephen Nessen

By mid-October the beams of One World Trade Center have reached the 42nd floor. The workers are getting as much work done as possible before the winter comes with the biting winds that make progress at that height very difficult. The Port Authority says workers are averaging about a floor a week as the fall turns to winter, when they expect progress to slow down.
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The Empire State and Chrysler Building can be seen from the 40th floor.

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A worker balances on a beam, which will be part of the 42nd floor.

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The Subway sandwich shop opened in August and does a brisk lunch business. It will rise as the floors rise.
One worker said he often had no other eating options, "I don't like it, but sometimes it's the only thing you got up here.

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Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?

It looks like that because floors are octagons not squares like on the old twins..

Does anyone know if any of the builders at the wtc were also around during construction of the original WTC?

Love the subway restaurant. If only you could go up there and have a sandwich with that view.

Does anyone know if any of the builders at the wtc were also around during construction of the original WTC?

I'm going to assume no, as that was was nearly 40 years ago when WTC was built. Assuming they were around the age of 20-30 that would put them as 60-70 now...

It looks like that because floors are octagons not squares like on the old twins..

When viewed directly from any of the entrance sides, it has the same proportions as the originals. When viewed from 45 degrees, the tapered pyramid shape is clear. New and old together.

I like it. Thank you for the picture.

"Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?"

It is thinner. Even at the base it is thinner and as it goes up it gets much thinner than the original twin towers.

That is why this is a much dimminished building compared to what was there before and that is what some of us don't like.

I'm a long time lurker, first time poster. :) Thought since I didn't see this posted before, I'd shared this link with you. The first look at WTC glass. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted before.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/image-gallery.html#id=wtc-glass&num=1

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I'm a long time lurker, first time poster. :) Thought since I didn't see this posted before, I'd shared this link with you. The first look at WTC glass. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted before.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/image-gallery.html#id=wtc-glass&num=1

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We all know that, it was posted...:)

"Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?"

It is thinner. Even at the base it is thinner and as it goes up it gets much thinner than the original twin towers.

That is why this is a much dimminished building compared to what was there before and that is what some of us don't like.

Only sides that are thiner are those 45° corner sides...:) East, west, south and north sides goin' straight up..200'x200'...:)

We all know that, it was posted...:)

My apologies. I went through and looked and didn't see it. Must have missed it.

My apologies. I went through and looked and didn't see it. Must have missed it.

No need for apologies...No one can know those 800 pages..:cheers:

Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?

It might look that way, but if you see it in real life it's easier to realize just how big it is. The part that's built is basically the same size as the old WTC. I think that the reason why people think it looks smaller is because the old WTC had many exterior columns that were closely spaced and the new WTC has fewer exterior columns that are not as closely spaced; I get the feeling that this may create the illusion that makes the new tower seem thinner.

"Only sides that are thiner are those 45° corner sides... East, west, south and north sides goin' straight up..200'x200'... "

I don't believe this is correct. In fact, it was discussed in this thread a few weeks ago and I believe it tapers to about 170 by 170 at the top or maybe even less.

The Twins were almost 212 feet square, Tower One is going to be 205 feet square.

The demotions you quoted are column centers.



145' column centers, 150' overall.

Ok here we go from back in that discussion. It is dropping off to 150 feet. Note even at its widest point the new tower is seven feet less than the original.

It is substantially smaller than the original buildings. That is pretty obvious when you go and look at the actual builiding under construction. I of course remember the originals well and when I go to this construction site it is obvious that it it smaller. In fact, it is mainly the netting that covers off the tapering that helps it seem a bit bigger than it is in reality.

"Only sides that are thiner are those 45° corner sides... East, west, south and north sides goin' straight up..200'x200'... "

I don't believe this is correct. In fact, it was discussed in this thread a few weeks ago and I believe it tapers to about 170 by 170 at the top or maybe even less.

Yes, at the top sides are smaller..because they're 45° rotated at the top...But diagonals "east-west" and "south-north" are still 200' x 200'

I'm not good at this system, I'm in metric, so I wont calculate now dimensions here, so 170' might be wrong, I'm not sure right now, this is just for example...


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Counting diaganols is something totally different. The diaganols of the old twin towers were about 300 feet.

So again, the new tower is much smaller.

When on earth is the cladding to be fitted?

Counting diaganols is something totally different. The diaganols of the old twin towers were about 300 feet.

So again, the new tower is much smaller.

that would be from the corners..... not from the middle of one of the walls.

When on earth is the cladding to be fitted?

dude, i know....starting to get annoying when you get all these promises and they never really come through with them

that would be from the corners..... not from the middle of one of the walls.

Yes, from the corners, just as the 200 feet marked off above is from the corners (dont' be confused by the superimposed base floor).

If you are having trouble visualizing how the top of the new WTC1 is much smaller than the base and much much smaller than the old WTC just calculate the area of the floor. To do that you will have to multiply the side by side to get the area of the floor. You will get a much smaller number.

So don't be confused into thinking this is issue of the floor being rotated. yes it is rotated, but it is also much smaller in total area and in equivalent dimensions (side versus side or diagonal by diagonal)>

Yes, from the corners, just as the 200 feet marked off above is from the corners (dont' be confused by the superimposed base floor).

If you are having trouble visualizing how the top of the new WTC1 is much smaller than the base and much much smaller than the old WTC just calculate the area of the floor. To do that you will have to multiply the side by side to get the area of the floor. You will get a much smaller number.

So don't be confused into thinking this is issue of the floor being rotated. yes it is rotated, but it is also much smaller in total area and in equivalent dimensions (side versus side or diagonal by diagonal)>

Yes, that is true..And by the numbers, new tower IS smaller...But we were talkin' is it thiner..And that's what I'm tryin to say..When you look at it from the south, it's the same size as the old twins...The same story for the west, east and north side...Only sides where it gets thiner are corners (south-east, east-north, north-west and west-south)..

Somebody needs to go back to Pythagoras 101. The diagonals, or sides at the top are more like 140'.

Somebody needs to go back to Pythagoras 101. The diagonals, or sides at the top are more like 140'.

Thanks..I'm in metric system, so it's a bit complicated for me to calculating feets now..This 170' was just for an example...:)

Looks like they added a 40' section of boom to the STD 1500 tower crane on the corner.

Somebody needs to go back to Pythagoras 101. The diagonals, or sides at the top are more like 140'.
Yes, thank you. :lol:

Another way too look at it is that the square footage of the roof is less than half of one of the original towers. The same is true of the upper-most floors, they are about half the square footage of the same floors in the original towers.

The base is quite similar in dimension but the top is half the size.

But of course, if you look at it from the right angle, the silhouette is roughly the same size.

But of course, if you look at it from the right angle, the silhouette is roughly the same size.

I find it fascinating that one hardly notices the taper toward the top. It's a bit of an anomaly since, as you say, it's roughly half the area but the profile is so similar!

"But we were talkin' is it thiner..And that's what I'm tryin to say..When you look at it from the south, it's the same size as the old twins...The same story for the west, east and north side...Only sides where it gets thiner are corners (south-east, east-north, north-west and west-south).."

No, this isn't a valid comparison. When looked at head on from a side it will be 140 feet at the top. The old towers would have been 208 feet looked at from the same perspective, a head on view from the side.

Now you are talking about looking at it from an angle, obliquely and from that perspective it appears wider, about 200 feet from such a perspective.

That is true. But that is equally true for the old towers. If you had looked at them from an angle (ie, looking towards one of their corners instead of their side) they would have appeared to be approximately 300 feet across. (and btw, that the oblique perspective for the new tower may be south or north or east while for the old tower it was southeast or northwest, etc, is completely irrelevant).

The old towers were much bigger and look much bigger from any comparable vantage point. Only when you are comparing the vantage that makes the new tower look widest to the vantage point that makes the old tower look the narrowest does it seem as if there is some similarity. But that is simply because you are comparing things that are not the same.

Compare things that are the same and you get 300 to 200 or 208 to 140 or what have you but the old tower was always bigger.

This is why I wish they would have made the base 230 feet or 240 feet across and let it taper to say 190 or 180 on the top. Then it would have been more imposing like the old towers were.

Getting back to construction news, that was a little bit of a let down to hear that they will be slowing down over the winter due to wind conditions. Makes sense, but slower is never better for a spectator like me.

Does anyone have any idea how much it will slow down? Will it go from one floor per week to maybe one floor every two weeks?

Viewing the tower normal to any of the four main compass directions (N, S, E, W), it will appear as 200' in width. This is a fact, folks.

Viewing from NW, NE, SW, and SE, the tower will be considerably thinner in appearance when compared to the twins. This is also a fact.

Getting back to construction news, that was a little bit of a let down to hear that they will be slowing down over the winter due to wind conditions. Makes sense, but slower is never better for a spectator like me.

Does anyone have any idea how much it will slow down? Will it go from one floor per week to maybe one floor every two weeks?

As you said it depends on the weather! Without the weather forecast for the next 4 month it's impossible to answer this question.
This is New York, not Miami. We can be sure that there will be cold winter days with snow and ice and strong winds. Now try to install a steel coloumn 200 meters above ground.. good luck..

You could make a little research and try to find out how much for example Beekman slowed down in the last winter. But even then you still don't know if the next winter will bring better or worse conditions as the last one.

The thing I notice on the interior construction pics is the size of the beams supporting the floors between the core and facade.......the old WTC had very light open trusses which sagged during the the fires on 9/11 which may have a part in the collapse of the towers.......Now they are using solid 'I' beams...... ! see pics DinoVabec post #17009

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October 21st, ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

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Counting diaganols is something totally different. The diaganols of the old twin towers were about 300 feet.

So again, the new tower is much smaller.

An old pic of the original WTC buildings.

1WTC June 1969
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So does this actually taper, and is the square footage of the top smaller than the square footage at the base? Are the 170X170 and 200X200 figures cited below correct?

Yes, at the top sides are smaller..because they're 45° rotated at the top...But diagonals "east-west" and "south-north" are still 200' x 200'

I'm not good at this system, I'm in metric, so I wont calculate now dimensions here, so 170' might be wrong, I'm not sure right now, this is just for example...


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Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?

When viewed directly from any of the entrance sides, it has the same proportions as the originals. When viewed from 45 degrees, the tapered pyramid shape is clear. New and old together.

"Is it me or WTC1 really looks thinner than the twin towers?"

It is thinner. Even at the base it is thinner and as it goes up it gets much thinner than the original twin towers.

That is why this is a much dimminished building compared to what was there before and that is what some of us don't like.

Only sides that are thiner are those 45° corner sides...:) East, west, south and north sides goin' straight up..200'x200'...:)

Counting diaganols is something totally different. The diaganols of the old twin towers were about 300 feet.

So again, the new tower is much smaller.


The tower is smaller, but the question was is it thinner...And here's my point in all this story..

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So does this actually taper, and is the square footage of the top smaller than the square footage at the base? Are the 170X170 and 200X200 figures cited below correct?

200x200 is correct, but 170x170 isn't...It was just for an example...Someone who is good with feets and inches should calculate pitagoras..:)

200x200 is correct, but 170x170 isn't...It was just for an example...Someone who is good with feets and inches should calculate pitagoras..:)

As long as you don't want inch precision, Pythagoras will stay perfectly the same with feet as with the metric system.

141.4 feet, approximately.

Oh, and they've repositioned the moving lo-res cam for the first time in years.

Can't wait to see the Cladding on this big guy

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Uh oh, someones beautiful view is about to get blocked!

awesome pics

These figures were posted years ago on this forum and I saved them. I don't know how official they are. I'm not sure why the usable sq ft doesn't consistantly lessen the higher up, I assume it must have something to do with the cores, also the large skylobby on 64th floor would take up a lot of usable space.

Floor Sizes: Available Size Ranges
Floors (Usable Square Feet) (Usable Square Meters)
47 – 51 32,255 – 32,877 2,996 – 3,054
52 – 56 26,819 – 31,913 2,491 – 2,965
57 – 61 26,623 – 31,138 2,473 – 2,893
62 – 66 25,886 – 29,774 2,405 – 2,766
67 – 72 27,245 – 29,151 2,531 – 2,704
73 – 77 27,146 – 28,323 2,522 – 2,631
78 – 82 24,990 – 26,534 2,322 – 2,465
83 – 88 23,971 – 25,072 2,227 – 2,329

Thanks. So it does get smaller at the top, and it's not just an illusion.

i realy like these towers

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sorry for the off-topic, but i liked this one!.. i made a little editing with ps:

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..ok, now let's back on topic! :banana:

Whoa its creeping up on 7wtc!

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Our man STR did an amazing job people..:)


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^^ Amazing work there :)

it's growing fast! when will it top out?

it's growing fast! when will it top out?

They should have it topped out by around late 2012 ;)

Does anyone know if the spire will be built in sections or be constructed with one whole piece?

Well done,buddy!
Thanks for the pics! :)

Does anyone know if the spire will be built in sections or be constructed with one whole piece?

In 20 foot sections..Every section has around ton...

Nice !!

lots of activity going on the site now. they're working on weekends now too!

very nice model STR. Did you sketch up or other program..i started the base in revit architecture but i have not had the time to continue

By GreenwichBoy, WNY. The 43rd and 44th floors have been put up quick. The decking could be done by tuesday or wednesday, and new vertical steel by friday even. Sweet!

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By GreenwichBoy, WNY. The 43rd and 44th floors have been put up quick. The decking could be done by tuesday or wednesday, and new vertical steel by friday even. Sweet!

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11252&d=1287866101

Have you noticed how the 7WTC seems to shrink as this tower goes up?

I'm noticing that with every single building in the area. Check shots of the site before 1WTC was above ground, and note how enormous even Barclay-Vesey looked compared to now.

Do you guys think this will be as tall or taller than 7 wtc by the new year? with winter and everything slowing it down

^^ i think i remember someone saying that it will be 3-4 floors shorter around that time?

Do you guys think this will be as tall or taller than 7 wtc by the new year? with winter and everything slowing it down

It will not. At the current pace, I've calculated they'll hit the 54th floor by the end of the year. Which will put it 640 feet tall (100 feet shorter than 7WTC). 1WTC should pass 7 sometime mid to late February is my guess.

Have you noticed how the 7WTC seems to shrink as this tower goes up?


well, that's the impression that it gives.. it's a 541 mts tower that they're building in front of that tower.

October 23rd, 325ccr, WNY..

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Have you noticed how the 7WTC seems to shrink as this tower goes up?

1WTC also shrinks shile growing higher. Especially when seen from the corners. :)

How tall is she currently? :)

PANYNJ :banana:

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It already looks awesome. :cheers:

Hello Guys !!

Can Any One Say What Is The Completion Date ??

Zen, or Dino, are the first of the corner nodes to be expected in the next 2 floors?

Zen, or Dino, are the first of the corner nodes to be expected in the next 2 floors?

Beams are goin' to connect on 52nd floor...Next 2 floors are 45th and 46th...So, soon will be...:okay:

Great photos, looks enormous and with nice shape !

More magic by STR..


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those renders are outstanding!..

this will be a great view to see her grow :) taken yesterday
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wow

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love it....thanks:banana:

whoa ! great progress ! i'm wondering is there a night night for the tower at night ?

whoa ! great progress ! i'm wondering is there a night night for the tower at night ?

Yes there is . It's :eek:

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^^ OH MAH GAAAAAAAAAAAWD

very nice cluster.

love it....thanks:banana:

Please do not quote the pic just above your post for just saying you like it. There is no need for it and it's annoying...

October 24th, NYguy, Skyscraperpage..

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Great update :) I still remember when I visited NY in 2007 and the tower wasn't even closo to start rising, look at it now :uh:

DinoVabec: some good views but far too many pictures offering nearly identical views... *facepalm*

awesome diagrams. sorry to ask but is the ring on roof for observation?
More magic by STR..


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CULWULLA, I believe they are antennas

^^ No, the rings are for communications antennas as is the spire.

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thanks, what a shame. so i guess observation is on high floors.

Yes, 102nd floor.

Off topic, but would there still be room for an observation deck under the communications ring on the parapet, or would the radiation be a bit too lethal? Also, could the PA ever convert the communications ring into an observation deck if for some reason it was no longer needed?

Off topic, but would there still be room for an observation deck under the communications ring on the parapet, or would the radiation be a bit too lethal? Also, could the PA ever convert the communications ring into an observation deck if for some reason it was no longer needed?

Even if there were an observation deck on, or above the parapet the EM radiation would do you no good. There is a window washing track below the communications rings so that rules out a deck there.

It's a sad but true bit of reality, the open air OB deck that was on the south tower is gone forever.

(I'm glad I had the chance to enjoy it, three times.)

whoa ! great progress ! i'm wondering is there a night night for the tower at night ?

LMAO !!! i should read what i write :nuts:

night render*

thanks lucianmx_2007 :cheers:

Even if there were an observation deck on, or above the parapet the EM radiation would do you no good. There is a window washing track below the communications rings so that rules out a deck there.

It's a sad but true bit of reality, the open air OB deck that was on the south tower is gone forever.

(I'm glad I had the chance to enjoy it, three times.)

But surely the PA realizes that not having such an integral part of the observation deck experience might affect the massive amounts of tourist revenue they are expecting to generate. I could understand if they had 3 indoor observation decks complete with a food court, glass floor skyboxes and a cinema, but some puny, 17 thousand square foot indoor deck just doesnt seem very fun.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9378/fin3q.jpg

this view is insane !!!!

I think the render comparing it to the Sears tower may not be exactly to scale. Isn't the Sears tower 1,450 in height? If so it would be 100 feet taller than WTC1 and the WTC1 would not appear so tall next to it.

Can someone double check that?

And when it will be the installation of glasses? I have heard say that this work would begin in October, and we're almost in November and saw nothing.

And when it will be the installation of glasses? I have heard say that this work would begin in October, and we're almost in November and saw nothing.


be patient my friend, october ends this sunday!.. :|

And when it will be the installation of glasses? I have heard say that this work would begin in October, and we're almost in November and saw nothing.

Last time I heard something about the cladding the start date was in the second half of November. Seems realistic as the fireproofing for the first few office floors isn't quite complete yet, and as there are some preparations that have to be done after that, too.

DinoVabec: some good views but far too many pictures offering nearly identical views... *facepalm*

Those pics are taken by NYguy, they're not mine...;)

But I know what you mean...I thought the same...But it's better to have more pics with identical view than not pics at all..:okay:

And when it will be the installation of glasses? I have heard say that this work would begin in October, and we're almost in November and saw nothing.

There was an information that they'll start around 20th October..But they obviously didn't...Then some articles said early November...We'll see...Just watch fireproofing as it climbs..

I think the render comparing it to the Sears tower may not be exactly to scale. Isn't the Sears tower 1,450 in height? If so it would be 100 feet taller than WTC1 and the WTC1 would not appear so tall next to it.

Can someone double check that?

As far as I know, Sears is 442.1m to the roof and 527.3m to the top of antenna..(According to Skyscraperpage diagrams)..While 1WTC is 417m to the roof and 541.3m to the top of the spire..

Yes, 102nd floor.

lol, ESB and 1WTC observation decks are both located on the 102nd floor. :bash:

^^ The ESB observation deck in the 102nd floor is not open to the public!

The official ESB observation deck is open air and in the 84th floor (320 meter).
The 1WTC observation on the other hand deck won't be open air, but in the 102nd floor.

Well, you can't have it all!

^^ you are joking right? i was on the 102nd floor just this year! so both ESB decks are open to the public. you need to inform yourself... ;).

EDIT: there you go, from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building)

The Empire State Building has one of the most popular outdoor observatories in the world, having been visited by over 110 million people. The 86th-floor observation deck offers impressive 360-degree views of the city. There is a second observation deck on the 102nd floor that is open to the public.

my bad. It was closed when I was there!

also from wikipedia:
it may be closed on high-traffic days.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...ies_under.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2010/10/benson_industries_flies_under.html)
Benson Industries flies under radar despite big-name projects

James Mayer
October 25, 2010

Stacked in a Gresham warehouse, 13,000 pieces of steel and glass await shipment by railroad to New York City to become the skin of One World Trade Center rising from the site of the 2001 terrorist attack.

Benson won the $160 million contract in 2007, then spent a year designing and testing components, including the ability to withstand explosions. The glass came from Minnesota, and the pieces were assembled in Gresham over the past two years.

"We have about 1,000 left to build. We'll be done by the end the year," Rosenberg said.

Steve Coleman, spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the owner of the ground zero building, said that as a public agency the port awarded the contract to Benson as the lowest responsive bidder.

"We were looking for someone who has done this type of work, who had experience doing this type of work on tall buildings around the country," Coleman said.

Rising from a square base constructed of concrete and steel, the building will taper into eight tall triangles, forming an octagon at its center. An observation deck will be located 1,362 feet above ground and there will be a square glass parapet at 1,368 feet, the heights of the original Twin Towers. From these, an illuminated spire containing a television antenna will rise to a final patriotic height of 1,776 feet. Including the antenna, it will be the tallest building in North America when opened in 2013.

Benson is also working on restoring the facade of the United Nations Secretariat Building in New York City to re-create the original look of the building, which has been damaged over the years.

Restoration work has become a larger part of the company's business in the recession, Rosenberg said. The company's more recent projects have been smaller, more compact buildings, stressing energy efficiency and sustainability, he said.

"We don't do towers anymore."

Rosenberg said there was nothing unique about One World Trade Center project.

"This is nothing new for us -- just a little bigger in scale," he said.

"The difficult part is yet to come, when they are working on the 104th floor in the winter of 2012. It will be windy and cold. I hand it to those ironworkers trying to wrestle the pieces into position."

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Carlos Tobar, a logistics clerk at Benson Industries, moves one of the exterior windows bound for ground zero last week at the company's Gresham warehouse.
The sections' components are built to withstand high winds, earthquakes and other safety concerns.

October 23rd, NYMAN2010


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my bad. It was closed when I was there!

also from wikipedia:

Yeah during my stay it was closed too. Top of the rock is pretty nice too though, and then you have the ESB and the skyline. The main issue with Rockefeller is that every single tourist goes there and everyone's taking the same pics.

Where is the cladding? i thought it would have been here as soon as they finished the pedestal and a few floors...taking so long

Where is the cladding? i thought it would have been here as soon as they finished the pedestal and a few floors...taking so long

They need to finish the fireproofing first. It looks like they are doing the 20th floor (first floor to get cladding) right now, so the cladding should be right around the corner.

from wtc.com

a comparison of what progress has been made at One world Trade and the future

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11259&d=1288127219

Yeah during my stay it was closed too. Top of the rock is pretty nice too though, and then you have the ESB and the skyline. The main issue with Rockefeller is that every single tourist goes there and everyone's taking the same pics.

To go to the 102nd floor costs 15 dollars, which I think is a little bit high because the view doesn't really get better up there. But you can buy tickets on the first ob deck, so probably you just missed it cuz its opened 365 days a year. Btw for people visiting New York tip: go to Rockefeller at daylight and ESB at night.

from wtc.com

a comparison of what progress has been made at One world Trade and the future

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The tower in the second pic wouldn't even fit in the first one, because it's taken from a higher angle, which means they have still alot to do.

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Love this!

^^
third building in the series ... happiness... :|

^^ they missed up that building on the back, so that's why i did just i little "arrengement"..hehe

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Good. So soon we will see this building with its "skin".
Thanks for the info. Now we're waiting... :lol:

26/October/2010

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thank you for the great updates Imre! it's wonderful to see your pictures again.
are you traveling around the world now? i am looking forward for more photos :cheers:

Yes it's great to see more of your photography, Imre. Glad you had the chance to come to NY to take a few shots. They look great as always. :)

I still loving the idea of twin towers... But it is well adapted to this area of New York...

From last week, Dylan Leblanc, Skyscraperpage..

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from wtc.com

a comparison of what progress has been made at One world Trade and the future

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11259&d=1288127219

Beautifully done! I love these updates that take the whole area into perspective. I would love to see more of these occasionally as the build goes on. :)

thank you for the great updates Imre! it's wonderful to see your pictures again.
are you traveling around the world now? i am looking forward for more photos :cheers:

Thanks, I am just visiting New York and Toronto now, thats all.

I agree with the response about coming from a different environment it is hard to cope with. Im originally from California and just moved here 2 weeks ago. When I first moved here it was CRAZY.

On which floor will be restaurant?

On which floor will be restaurant?

100th and 101st..

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Like in destroyed tower, or ...? :)

I made a mistake, the restaurant was been on 106 and 107 fl.

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Like in destroyed tower, or ...? :)

NO...the original Windows On The World was located on the 106 and 107 floors. :cheers:

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One World Trade Center

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SO EEEEERY :ohno: the tower will soon look like this....

NO...the original Windows On The World was located on the 106 and 107 floors. :cheers:

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Can not wait to see the interior, of the future restaurant... :cheers:

From discovery.com, they've already raised the core scaffolding. New vertical steel anyday now.

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^^ Already? :shocked:

^^ Already? :shocked:

44th floor started on October 18th..Now it's 27th..

Seriously..If enyone say "slow progress", I'm gonna punch it by myself..;)

One World Trade Center


SO EEEEERY :ohno: the tower will soon look like this....

wow, what a comparison!

Great news! Its growing up super fast, more than i could imagine before !

does is have a concrete core???

does is have a concrete core???

With steel inside the concrete..

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These lines... What is that?

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These lines... What is that?

Vents for the upper mech floors.

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That space will be opened, like... balkony... ?? :)
Is will be in tower located something slightly more interesting than the offices and restaurant, etc.

^^ I'm pretty sure its off-limit mechanical. The vents are just something technical. There's no open space area for WTC1.

I heard those were also where the one of the planes hit on tower one?

^^ I'm pretty sure its off-limit mechanical. The vents are just something technical. There's no open space area for WTC1.

Logically, because the above was very windy, foggy... :)

44th floor started on October 18th..Now it's 27th..

Seriously..If enyone say "slow progress", I'm gonna punch it by myself..;)

It's better to take time doing things right rather than rushing it :)

It's better to take time doing things right rather than rushing it :)

Yeah..I believe (and see) those guys know how to do it..:)

New York steel erectors are the best in the world, no wonder it’s going up so fast :).

Can't wait for this building to get done. It's going to add so much to lower Manhattan..

I will be visiting soon and again when it is complete...

I heard those were also where the one of the planes hit on tower one?

No silly

That's were the anti aircraft missiles come out. Each slot contains 15 radar guided SAMs

I heard those were also where the one of the planes hit on tower one?

very interesting question :)

Tower 1 was hit at floors 94 - 99.
Those vents are in floors 91 - 93. (floors 94-99 do not exist in 1WTC)
I don't know the exact height of those floors, so I can't answer this question. But I think it's possible.

But maybe Dino or Zen knows? :)

I think you've got to check out Macy's in Herald Square and then Bloomingdales at E. 59th. You could window-shop in places like Tiffany's and Saks 5th Avenue. Downtown near Delancey Street you can get designer stuff at good discounts. Many of those stores are closed on Saturday because they are run by Orthodox Jews.

very interesting question :)

Tower 1 was hit at floors 94 - 99.
Those vents are in floors 91 - 93. (floors 94-99 do not exist in 1WTC)
I don't know the exact height of those floors, so I can't answer this question. But I think it's possible.

But maybe Dino or Zen knows? :)

91st floor is on height of 1151' 08'' (351,028 m) measured from the street level or 1462' 10'' in plans (probably measured from sea level - I'm not sure about that)

then we have 92, 92M. 93

and 93M which is on height of 1223' 06'' (372,9228 m) from street level or 1534' 08'' in plans..

I don't know on which height planes crashed into old tower one, so if someone know, let us know..:)

I think you've got to check out Macy's in Herald Square and then Bloomingdales at E. 59th. You could window-shop in places like Tiffany's and Saks 5th Avenue. Downtown near Delancey Street you can get designer stuff at good discounts. Many of those stores are closed on Saturday because they are run by Orthodox Jews.

Wooow..Do you know where I can buy a gun too? Cuz I really wanna shoot you right now..

91st floor is on height of 1151' 08'' (351,028 m) measured from the street level or 1462' 10'' in plans (probably measured from sea level - I'm not sure about that)

then we have 92, 92M. 93

and 93M which is on height of 1223' 06'' (372,9228 m) from street level or 1534' 08'' in plans..

I don't know on which height planes crashed into old tower one, so if someone know, let us know..:)

An wikipedia illustration says that the impact was at about 87% of the total height.

417 * 0,87 = 362,79m

how tall is freedom tower right now?

Wooow..Do you know where I can buy a gun too? Cuz I really wanna shoot you right now..

Hey, watch the wording! You do way too much around here to get bothered by that. Keep up your good work with the great info and all the other things you add!:)

What happend?

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how tall is freedom tower right now?

506' 08'' or 154,432 m

^^

I was wondering the same thing, perhaps the cladding has arrived... :)

No! Subway just anounced a 3 dollar footlong:lol:

I doubt they all will be so excited about cladding..

I thought it's fire down there, but there's no smoke..

I have no idea..

Could be anything, lunch break, a drill, false alarm...

What happend?

tour...

An wikipedia illustration says that the impact was at about 87% of the total height.

417 * 0,87 = 362,79m

So does that technically put it at the halfway point on the square?

.............

No! Subway just anounced a 3 dollar footlong:lol:
:rofl:

So, any news on the cladding? Isn't it the time in which it should arrive?

This building will be very elegant! Simple but perfect!
Perfection is in the simplicity!

I agree. For me, the Twin Towers were been the symbol of the elegance, and simplicity. But now I belive, taht the new tower will be special. :cheers:

So does that technically put it at the halfway point on the square?

Yes. But please note that this information is based upon some wikipedia illustration.

Yes. But please note that this information is based upon some wikipedia illustration.

It has some logic..We just need reliable information..:)

:rofl:

So, any news on the cladding? Isn't it the time in which it should arrive?

We're waiting...It should be now, yes..I somehow have feeling that there will be some article or news when cladding get in NY..

91st floor is on height of 1151' 08'' (351,028 m) measured from the street level or 1462' 10'' in plans (probably measured from sea level - I'm not sure about that)

then we have 92, 92M. 93

and 93M which is on height of 1223' 06'' (372,9228 m) from street level or 1534' 08'' in plans..

I don't know on which height planes crashed into old tower one, so if someone know, let us know..:)

Flight 11 struck the North Tower between the 94th and 95th floor (the nose of the plane struck the floor slab of the 95th floor). The fuselage of the plane was 17' 9" in height, and each floor was 12' tall. The nose of Flight 175 entered the South Tower on the 81st floor. I don't know the exact elevation but since each floor was 12 feet and the 110th floor was the roof slab (elevation 1368'), that's 15 floors in between so 15x12'=180. I'm sure floors 106, 107, 108, and 109 were slightly taller than the office floors, so let's add 2 feet to each of those... for a distance of 188 feet from the roof, or 1,180 feet above street level, or about 86.3% of the height of the building. For the South Tower, it would have been about 350 feet from the roof, or about 74.3% of the height of the building. Oh and yes, about two years ago I took a diagram from the official NIST report on the original 1WTC showing the location of the impacted floors -wingtip to wingtip - and scaled it up exactly and compared it to the side-view diagram of the new 1WTC showing the location of those mechanical floors between the office floors and the restaurant and it matched up exactly. Like, exactly. I'm guessing this was intentional, either wanting to leave a visual mark on the building indicating the location of the first impact, or wanting to be respectful to the people who died in the initial explosion at that elevation by leaving those floors unoccupied.

BTW, does anyone know what the elevation of the obs deck in the new 1WTC will be? I'm just trying to figure out if it'll be above the roof of 2WTC, which is 1,270 feet.

:rofl:

So, any news on the cladding? Isn't it the time in which it should arrive?

As several others have already pointed out, the cladding can not begin on a particular floor until the fireproofing for that floor has already finished. That's because the spray-on concrete fireproofing is messy and it would make no sense to install the glass windows, and THEN attempt to spray on the fireproofing on the perimeter columns which are just a few inches away from the glass or the beams along the ceiling near the windows. And you may have noticed that they just started (about a week ago) enclosing the 20th floor in the protective canopy which indicates that the fireproofing for that floor has just started. My GUESS is that they're probably going to wait until the fireproofing has risen a few floors before they start with the cladding in order to give them a few floors of buffer space. So, probably a few more weeks until they start the cladding. There was an article a couple weeks ago which said the cladding would begin at the end of November.

Flight 11 struck the North Tower between the 94th and 95th floor (the nose of the plane struck the floor slab of the 95th floor). The fuselage of the plane was 17' 9" in height, and each floor was 12' tall. The nose of Flight 175 entered the South Tower on the 81st floor. I don't know the exact elevation but since each floor was 12 feet and the 110th floor was the roof slab (elevation 1368'), that's 15 floors in between so 15x12'=180. I'm sure floors 106, 107, 108, and 109 were slightly taller than the office floors, so let's add 2 feet to each of those... for a distance of 188 feet from the roof, or 1,180 feet above street level, or about 86.3% of the height of the building. For the South Tower, it would have been about 350 feet from the roof, or about 74.3% of the height of the building. Oh and yes, about two years ago I took a diagram from the official NIST report on the original 1WTC showing the location of the impacted floors -wingtip to wingtip - and scaled it up exactly and compared it to the side-view diagram of the new 1WTC showing the location of those mechanical floors between the office floors and the restaurant and it matched up exactly. Like, exactly. I'm guessing this was intentional, either wanting to leave a visual mark on the building indicating the location of the first impact, or wanting to be respectful to the people who died in the initial explosion at that elevation by leaving those floors unoccupied.

BTW, does anyone know what the elevation of the obs deck in the new 1WTC will be? I'm just trying to figure out if it'll be above the roof of 2WTC, which is 1,270 feet.

Thanks man..You helped a lot...

Obs. deck will be 1266' 08'' from street level..That's 386,08 m...

Flight 11 struck the North Tower between the 94th and 95th floor (the nose of the plane struck the floor slab of the 95th floor). The fuselage of the plane was 17' 9" in height, and each floor was 12' tall. The nose of Flight 175 entered the South Tower on the 81st floor. I don't know the exact elevation but since each floor was 12 feet and the 110th floor was the roof slab (elevation 1368'), that's 15 floors in between so 15x12'=180. I'm sure floors 106, 107, 108, and 109 were slightly taller than the office floors, so let's add 2 feet to each of those... for a distance of 188 feet from the roof, or 1,180 feet above street level, or about 86.3% of the height of the building. For the South Tower, it would have been about 350 feet from the roof, or about 74.3% of the height of the building. Oh and yes, about two years ago I took a diagram from the official NIST report on the original 1WTC showing the location of the impacted floors -wingtip to wingtip - and scaled it up exactly and compared it to the side-view diagram of the new 1WTC showing the location of those mechanical floors between the office floors and the restaurant and it matched up exactly. Like, exactly. I'm guessing this was intentional, either wanting to leave a visual mark on the building indicating the location of the first impact, or wanting to be respectful to the people who died in the initial explosion at that elevation by leaving those floors unoccupied.

I'm pretty sure that this was intentional as the total height and roof height was intentional too. :)

Very interesting. Thanks a lot!

According to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_One_World_Trade_Center
which I'm well aware is not 100% credible, the impact zone is occupied by Marsh USA.

October 28th, BruceandLetty (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alltheparks/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1311/5124693168_3c7fed6f57_b.jpg

dang, so much progress!

Awesome videos and images on wtcprogress.com

Core steel is up to 46th floor..

1WTC is now 533' 04'' or 162,560 m tall...

Core steel is up to 46th floor..

1WTC is now 533' 04'' or 162,560 m tall...

Yep.. Lots of steel gone up today... it feels like a race to beat the worst of the winter weather :)

Ok, thanks for the info on the cladding dudes :) Yup, there's a huge progress, you can easily notice the difference, especially if you haven't visited the thread in a while. That's why I thought the cladding might've arrived withal :D

Looks like there's some drama with the podium glass...


http://www.usgnn.com/newsStarphire220101029.htm

Back On: PPG to Supply STARPHIRE Glass to One World Trade Center; Fabrication Will Still Take Place in China
October 29, 2010

After spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop glass to be used for One World Trade Center, PPG was told in early 2009 that the contract for that project was instead going to a Chinese glass company (CLICK HERE for the full investigative report, from USGlass in March 2009, ). But today, PPG Industries announced that it has received an order to supply STARPHIRE® ultra-clear, low-iron glass for One World Trade Center in New York. The glass will be used for the podium wall system on Tower One, which is currently under construction at the new World Trade Center complex in lower Manhattan.

Gary Danowski, PPG vice president, performance glazings, talked exclusively to USGlass magazine following the announcement regarding how PPG was ultimately awarded the project more than a year and a half following that decision.

“A few months ago we started to become re-engaged with some meetings with the Port Authority, and Tishman Construction,” he says. “For whatever reason we got reengaged and I’m not sure what the reason was. We showed them some initial samples of Starphire and got pulled into more and more discussions regarding potentially fitting into the supply chain.”

But Danowski says that even after that initial meeting he didn’t think PPG would be awarded the project.
“To be honest I didn’t think it was going to go anywhere,” says Danowksi. “We thought it was too late: glass samples were being made, structural steel was moving. Albeit the meeting was interesting and there were some discussion points but to be honest with you I’m surprised that we are where we are today—though I’m happy about it.”

As to why the original Chinese glass supplier is no longer involved, Danowski says they are not privy to that information.

“The reality is we are not privy to whoever was making that decision—the factual reason. We have our own theories,” he says.

Danowski points out that the only thing that has changed with the project is that PPG is now supplying the glass; it will still be fabricated in China.

“We are supplying the glass to Sanxin who will fabricate the glass then it will come back to the United States to be installed in the project,” he says. “We would have preferred to work through a shorter supply chain and recommended some alternatives. Ultimately, though, this wasn’t our decision.”

Steve Coleman with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey told USGNN today that “the original supplier (with good quality product) in China fell through.”

“They didn’t want the job,” says Coleman. “The broker tried another supplier in China and that product did not meet the color requirements. Now we are purchasing from PPG and shipping the glass to China for fabrication. The machine used to fabricate is already built in China.”

Danowski reports that PPG signed a letter of intent three to four weeks ago, and the purchase order was finalized a week ago.

“Next week we will start making the product in Carlisle and will start shipping immediately and into the next six to nine months as Sanxin fabricates the glass,” he says.

Starphire ultra-clear glass uses a proprietary low-iron formulation that the company says makes it the industry’s clearest, most transparent architectural glass. PPG will supply the product in thicknesses of 10, 12 and 25 millimeters from its glass manufacturing plant near Carlisle, Pa.

DCM and Zetian did not respond to usgnn’s request for comment, while Tishman Construction officials declined to comment. Stay tuned to USGNN.com for further updates as they become available.

29/October/2010

One World Trade Center

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perfection !

Core steel is up to 46th floor..

1WTC is now 533' 04'' or 162,560 m tall...

...now 4' taller than anything in Baltimore. I am envious...

...now 4' taller than anything in Baltimore. I am envious...

This has been taller than any building in Sacatomatoes for weeks now. I hope I can make it back to New York soon.

STR's magic..


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2638/comp1l.jpg

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interesting comparisson...old WTS looks much stronger and powerfull....

interesting comparisson...old WTS looks much stronger and powerfull....

That's exactly what I thought, but hey, new wtc looks much more modern.

STR's magic..


you know, the other day i imagined something like this, comparing the entire old complex with their "replacement".. it's exactly like i did!.. beautiful render!

interesting comparisson...old WTS looks much stronger and powerfull....


this is my biggest problem with the new tower. why don't just rebulid the towers with a stronger structure and for example 1 floor higher than the old WTC. that's what Donald Trump preposed right? what a shame. but hey, atleast they're building something.

I don't know where you goofs are getting the impression this complex won't be as imposing as the Twins.

Another from STR...

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5207/t231.jpg

I don't know where you goofs are getting the impression this complex won't be as imposing as the Twins.

Another from STR...

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5207/t231.jpg
Jesus, that looks terrible. No really, the new 1WTC is just ugly.

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, today, a few hours old and (a little out of date). A lot more of the perimeter columns have been put up since.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11344&d=1288447084

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11343&d=1288447070

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11342&d=1288447054

Jesus, that looks terrible. No really, the new 1WTC is just ugly.

Jesus, you're an obvious troll. No really, at least try.

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, today, a few hours old and (a little out of date). A lot more of the perimeter columns have been put up since.


Almost all of them are up already..:) They're seriously fast..

I personally think the three WTC towers together add so much more than the original towers did. The originals certainly were imposing a created an iconic view, but I always felt they lacked a certain...pizazz? Regardless, I think this is the perfect project for the location and will be the most impressive and grand memorial for all those who tragically died! Can't wait for the three to climb together! :)

Okay, there are four towers, though.

Oh right! I always forget..regardless. I like this set-up a lot more.

Jesus, that looks terrible. No really, the new 1WTC is just ugly.

:ohno:

I suppose you prefer two ugly gray boxes then?

They weren't ugly; they were stunning.

And where did that poster say that he liked the old ones? Chill out.

the old ones was really respectful...

I'd like to see some renders of the new complex with the original towers in place of the memorials (so all of the towers are in a bunch right beside each other)...just because. Can someone do this?

30/October/2010

One World Trade Center

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I was walking around the site yesterday, 52 new photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imresolt/sets/72157625152464871/

^^ Thanks man...We love you..You know that? :D

Jesus, that looks terrible. No really, the new 1WTC is just ugly.

wash your mouth with soap!

^^ Thanks man...We love you..You know that? :DYou're right, we all do :) One of the best updaters on this forum, if not the best!

I agree. Imre's attention to detail is second to none.

These column are tiny compared to the old WTC's.

These column are tiny compared to the old WTC's.

No they're not. Are you high?

I personally think the three WTC towers together add so much more than the original towers did. The originals certainly were imposing a created an iconic view, but I always felt they lacked a certain...pizazz? Regardless, I think this is the perfect project for the location and will be the most impressive and grand memorial for all those who tragically died! Can't wait for the three to climb together! :)
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Thank you Imre for the fantastic pictures. Hungarian quality shots :)

interesting comparisson...old WTS looks much stronger and powerfull....

Yes, it looks... But the new complex should be "modest", because it builds on the site of the tragedy.

diagram update

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5134121072_3b0381b77b_o.jpg

i think this is right? lev47?


Only lev 46. They raise two levels of steel at a time. The 46th floor is 533 feet, 4 inches (162.55 meters) high. Plus a few more feet higher with the column splice.

Awesome tower!! :D

thanks spectre. ive edited in diagram.

thanks spectre. ive edited in diagram.

Your welcome!

And please excuse my nitpicking, but floor 100 is 1,240 feet high exactly, or 378m. Floor 101 is 1,254' 2", (still 382m).

*according to the blueprints Zen has posted online.

nice jop

delete

STR's magic..


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2638/comp1l.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1995/comp2w.jpg

Irregardless of all the arguments as to which version of the WTC is better, THIS would have been very cool to see (if 9/11 hadn't happened) and the modern buildings built nearby anyway.

I agree ^yea they're cool I guess, I wish they were taller than the originals though

In this perspective it seems like the old WTC towers are taller then the new one, even with the spire. That is not correct, is it?

Doesn't look nearly as tall as it currently is.

October 31st, BStyles, WNY..

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I like the old ones better :(

In this perspective it seems like the old WTC towers are taller then the new one, even with the spire. That is not correct, is it?
no, the new tower is 417m high to roof ,same as north WTC, the south WTC was 415m.

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You must be pshycic, because you can see in the future. The building isn't nearly completed and you can already say that the old ones were better? I should wait for another year or two and then give your opinion about it.

He is allowed his opinion. I too like the twins better!

BUT, building something better than the twins would not be good, in my opinion. They should be remembered as the best of their time.

The complex will be great when finished, and we will always remember the twins.

^^That's true. But iconic buildings will not be easily be replaced by just building a new one. The status of a new building will be gained in the future after several years after being built. And then the old building will always be remembered as they were. It just like people, iconic people should not be 'replaced', but new ones will rise when they are recognised by them skills or talents. A new Michael Jackson will not be born.

I think, the new buildings are not bad, but too low.

Yeah, it should have been 1776 yards, not feet :D

In Madrid one building, looks like the Twin Towers. I think that building is designed, by the same architect.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Torre_Picasso_06Aug2008.jpg/400px-Torre_Picasso_06Aug2008.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Torre_Picasso_06Aug2008.jpg)
^^
That building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_Picasso).

^^
Yes, the architect is Minoru Yamasaki.

Why One World Trade Center spire so tall ? I'd rather like a tall roof than a tall spire ...

Why One World Trade Center spire so tall ? I'd rather like a tall roof than a tall spire ...

It would have been cool if the roof were 1776ft plus a shorter spire. Any reason why this option wasn't explored? Either way a great building maybe halfway in height surpassing WTC 7 by the new year.

It would have been cool if the roof were 1776ft plus a shorter spire. Any reason why this option wasn't explored? Either way a great building maybe halfway in height surpassing WTC 7 by the new year.

Maybe because it would have caused the tower to cost hundreds of millions of $ more? It's a pretty expensive structure anyway.

Maybe because it would have caused the tower to cost hundreds of millions of $ more? It's a pretty expensive structure anyway.

caused by money :nuts: so china got more money than america ?
oh..what a shame ! :lol:

^^^^
China uses cheap material rather than strong and with safety features.

I love the shape of WTC1, it looks like one of those 'impossible shapes'. It amazed me to see how all those triangles can fit together so symmetrically.

caused by money :nuts: so china got more money than america ?
oh..what a shame ! :lol:

No, this is not about money...America doesn't need tall skyscrapers to show off...1WTC is designed like this because it has meaning...I don't know how many times we have to say that...The roof is at that height because roof of former tower 1 was at that height...And spire goes to 1776 ft beacuse this is year of US independence...

^^^^
China uses cheap labor forces rather than expensive union workers.

corrected that for you. SWFC, ICC and others are one of the safest supertall skyscrapers in the world! saying china uses cheap materials is nothing but wrong.