it will be better to have 1776 Meters high Freedom tower! without spire! roof at the current high!

it will be better to have 1776 Meters high Freedom tower! without spire! roof at the current high!

Would be great to have a building so much higher, But really, how high? When is high enough, enough? You cannot change the height of current tower, even 1 floor would destroy the current design, that is because to extend what is being built ( allready perfect triangles) would just look terrible! This is what is being built, DEAL WITH IT!

it will be better to have 1776 kiloMeters high Freedom tower! without spire! roof at the current high!

Fixed. :lol:

trolls need to be stopped by moderators here...

update by morrongiello on flickr:

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Still no cladding.....

Still no cladding.....

Fireproofing is now on 21st floor...I hope they'll be faster now with this floor...

Cladding starts this month. Hopefully we'll see some glass go up this coming week.

This beautiful supertall skyscraper will shine a little more and gleam more radiantly if New Yorkers elect another Cuomo to the governor's mansion.

C'mon New Yorkers, do the right thing! :)

China vs. US discussions are always a blast. Glad to see people out there so eager to prove that stupidity knows no nationality.

I think that Chinese recent construction are safer than old New York building.

November 1st, in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/)

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Magnificent picture - it's really coming on now.

NOVEMBER 1, 2010
WTC Taps Fuel Cells

High-End Energy Efficiency for Towers


By ANTON TROIANOVSKI (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=ANTON+TROIANOVSKI&bylinesearch=true)

Late last month, six box-shaped objects each almost as large as a shipping container arrived at the World Trade Center site on six trucks, were picked up by a crane, and deposited at the bottom of the construction pit near the intersection of Liberty Street and Church Street.

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Some 30% of the electricity to power the four towers going up on the World Trade Center site will come from fuel cells. WSJ's Anton Troianovski looks at how builders are trying to reduce the development's reliance on the New York power grid.

The contents of the nondescript cargo: six fuel cells, which together will provide about 30% of the power for towers 3 and 4 of the World Trade Center office complex. Once the cells start providing power, the World Trade Center site will become one of the biggest fuel-cell installations in the world, the developers say.

Fuel cells have been a closely watched technology as concerns about greenhouse-gas emissions have increased. They create electricity through chemical reactions rather than by burning something. As a result, the major byproducts are water and heat.

Fuel cells already power some energy-guzzling commercial properties such as hospitals, supermarkets and bottling plants. But the technology still is in the relatively early stages of being used on a broad scale in commercial buildings because it's complicated and often more expensive than conventional energy sources. Delivering those fuel cells, the likes of which will also power towers 1 and 2, was a key step in outfitting the buildings with the energy-efficient technology that developers Silverstein Properties Inc. and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey will be touting as they face the daunting task of filling millions of square feet of new office space.

Constructing the skyscrapers with the latest in green-building technology was also a priority for government agencies and public-interest groups in the wake of the Twin Towers' destruction. Gov. David Paterson said in 2008 that the new World Trade Center would be "an exemplar of environmental sustainability" and that he could "think of few sites in the country where the symbolism of this is more important."

Anton Troianovski for The Wall Street Journal Silverstein Properties delivered fuel cells to the tower site.

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The fuel cells are one example of high-end energy efficiency. The old World Trade Center took in huge amounts of water from the Hudson River for cooling and energy generation. The new complex will include a smaller river-water plant to reduce the impact on the wildlife in the Hudson, and instead will take much of its electricity from the fuel cells, which use a chemical process to convert natural gas to electricity. The fuel cells are being paid for by the developers and the state of New York.
"If we can demonstrate that fuel cells work, that they can be highly effective, that they can achieve energy-saving goals, we hope that other owners of buildings and office buildings will choose to adopt them in the future," said Janno Lieber, who heads the WTC project project for developer Larry Silverstein.

Tower 4, which is being built by Mr. Silverstein, and Tower 1, being built by the Port Authority, are scheduled to be complete in 2013. The timing of the completion of towers 2 and 3 will depend on market conditions. On Oct. 23, a day when three of the fuel cells were being lowered into place, another crane was delivering some of the trees that will dot the 9/11 memorial.

I wonder what they deliverin' in those trucks..I saw few last days..Two more today in early morning...They park them below that blue structure and from this angle we can't see what's goin' out of them..

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^^ Perhaps the glass pannels? Could be probably that

^^ Perhaps the glass pannels? Could be probably that

Yes, those are glass pannels..

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Glass pannels on the site...Those trucks deliverin' glass pannels..:banana:

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What makes you think those trucks are delivering the glass panels? It would be great if this were the case, but those trucks could be delivering anything, so I'm just wondering why you think it's the glass panels?

What makes you think those trucks are delivering the glass panels? It would be great if this were the case, but those trucks could be delivering anything, so I'm just wondering why you think it's the glass panels?

That pic I posted above...From the Earthcam...Look what came out of the truck...To me that looks just like that piece of glass posted right below that pic..

Thanks DinoVabec. the glass pannels look massive.

Thanks DinoVabec. the glass pannels look massive.

Let's wait for confirmation..I just posted that because I think it is and I'm 99% sure..:)

November 1st, in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/)

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What building is being constructed on the back right side near 7 world trade center?

That is a CUNY or SUNY building (can't remember which). as a university building it won't be a skyscraper.

BTW, CUNY is the City University of New York, the main public university in NYC and SUNY is the State University of New York, the main public university in New York State (which also has campuses in NYC).

^^ Seems like you're Middle East architecture fan, huh?

Btw. third truck on the site today, the same thing comin' out of him..Glass, people...

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Fantastic news there, Dino. :cheers:

... but what on earth are they going to use glass people for? :jk:

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Fantastic news there, Dino. :cheers:

... but what on earth are they going to use glass people for? :jk:

:lol::lol: I fixed it now.. :cheers:

I can't wait to see the cladding!

What building is being constructed on the back right side near 7 world trade center?

Is the fire-proofing at level 28-29? The cocoon is whitened to that point.

That pic I posted above...From the Earthcam...Look what came out of the truck...To me that looks just like that piece of glass posted right below that pic..

I would agree..it looks identical. It makes sense that glass would be arriving now, as it should be going up very soon!

Looks pretty already =) To think its been such a long time since it all happened.... But hey, I think its going to look bad@ss

WTC Taps Fuel Cells



I'm sure I mentioned this a couple of years ago, but where does the hydrogen come from? (I assume it is a hydrogen fuel cell)
a hydrogen fuel cell is only as clean as the source of electricity used to produce hydrogen.
I would think fair enough if it is used as back up if there is a powercut, but if it is used continuously, then there is the power needed to produce the H2, plus pollution from transporting the hydrogen to the WTC.


Incredible progress though, I am amazed how quickly it is going up, and how small #7 looks now!

In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished

In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished

It's all about quality, rights and safety of the construction workers and the rights of the people in general and thier ability to oppose the government in aspects of project development.

In china there are no such things and thus no such problems to delay progress. You get in the way and they make you move, you don't like what is being done you need to put up and shut up. So all take my rights over fastly built, mediocre quality buildings.

November is here and still no facade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ow yes, and November is already over.....
Read the posts saying the glass has arrived.

It's all about quality, rights and safety of the construction workers and the rights of the people in general and thier ability to oppose the government in aspects of project development.

In china there are no such things and thus no such problems to delay progress. You get in the way and they make you move, you don't like what is being done you need to put up and shut up. So all take my rights over fastly built, mediocre quality buildings.

I agree with you about rights ans safety of the workers but it's a prejudice to think that Chinese supertalls are bad quality.

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^^ to finish this off topic conversation: even china had supertalls (ICC, SWFC) which took painfully long to build. and guess what: both towers are one of the safest supertall skyscrapers in the world! btw i'm not saying that fast pace = low quality. ;)
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so 1WTC has reached the 46th floor, that's great. :cheers2: can't wait till we see some glass panels installed, i for one will check this thread every day - just not to miss the action. :D

What building is being constructed on the back right side near 7 world trade center?

600West was right its the new CUNY buiding Fiterman Hall, the old one was damaged due to 9/11.

Heres the old one:
http://www.saycampuslife.com/images/fiterman-hall.jpg

Heres the new design just for info:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/11/13/nyregion/13FitermanBottom.cityroom.190.jpg

^^ Not very impressive

In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished

You've been posting similar garbage in this thread for the last few pages. Reported. I don't waltz into Chinese skyscraper threads and complain about their inferior quality because 1) that isn't true anymore, and 2) I'm respectful.

^^ Not very impressive

Yes, they missed a really big opportunity to build something nice and they gave us that thing. Eugh.

In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished

In Chigaco this project was also already build probably, whats your point? The new WTC has so many extra safety measures than a normal skyscraper. I'm not aware of any other buildings in the world that gets this kind of attention to detail and safaty.

Oeps dubble...

Cladding continue arrivin' today...

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November 2nd, ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

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Update from last week. First time in NY, more photos: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1249777 :

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In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished


maybe you're forgeting that this tower is being built after a terrorist attack in the same place that the old complex was before, and took a few years to see what to do after that sad episode, and then, make a project in the similar line that the oldest.. that's my opinion, i don't know..

Omg it rises fast! Didn't check this thread in weeks and it has risen a lot!! Nice.

maybe you're forgeting that this tower is being built after a terrorist attack in the same place that the old complex was before, and took a few years to see what to do after that sad episode, and then, make a project in the similar line that the oldest.. that's my opinion, i don't know..

Yeah we will see how China reacts when one of it's fast-and-furiously build superskyscrapers ever gets hit by a terrorist attack (which will be sad, still). Or do they already build towers that can withstand this? The new WTC1 will probably withstand alot of jumbojets and even when the world's come to an end, it's massive metal core will simply float into space :lol:

Yeah we will see how China reacts when one of it's fast-and-furiously build superskyscrapers ever gets hit by a terrorist attack (which will be sad, still). Or do they already build towers that can withstand this? The new WTC1 will probably withstand alot of jumbojets and even when the world's come to an end, it's massive metal core will simply float into space :lol:


yeah, & be careful with the gamma's ray thrown by some villain or scott from x-mens!

It would have been cool if the roof were 1776ft plus a shorter spire. Any reason why this option wasn't explored? Either way a great building maybe halfway in height surpassing WTC 7 by the new year.

David Childs designed a building with a 1,776 foot roof and a 2,001 foot spire, but it was rejected in favor of Daniel Libeskind's original idea of a 1,776 foot spire.

^^I always wondered, would a 2,001ft height be considered to be in poor taste?

^^^^
China uses cheap material rather than strong and with safety features.

More so cheap labor and supplies thanks to no unions.

I'd prefer a 1776ft roof and have the 408ft spire, so it would be 2184ft! Yay!

In China this tower would be already built ... It seems that US got the French syndrome, projects take years to be finished

You really shouldn't talk, considering how long the Shanghai Tower is taking. :ohno:

Offtopic... How is going to be the vehicle circulation system with the opening of Fulton Street/West Street??
Fulton Street is going to be one way or both?? Hope somebody can answer it... Are they going to install a stop light in that intersection??
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It's good to see the cladding be delivered. After watching this start at just a few floors, the red steel has made me imagine it being a red tower. I imagine they'll want to try and get as much done before it starts to get cold and snow. Now, based on their timeline to get this done, it would seem to me they're a tad behind, or is that just me?

Great pics from different angles and distances !

^^ Not very impressive

Hey when it's being built right next to the WTC it wouldn't get any attention anyway so i'm guessing they just decided to go with something basic.

and IMO it's not that bad i've seen alot worse.

Does anyone know if this structure can work as a hull-core structure? Or is it the concrete core taking most of the lateral loads??

Hey when it's being built right next to the WTC it wouldn't get any attention anyway so i'm guessing they just decided to go with something basic.

and IMO it's not that bad i've seen alot worse.

Hehe, of course, also saw a lot worse. But NYC accustomed me to the beauty :)

It's good to see the cladding be delivered. After watching this start at just a few floors, the red steel has made me imagine it being a red tower. I imagine they'll want to try and get as much done before it starts to get cold and snow. Now, based on their timeline to get this done, it would seem to me they're a tad behind, or is that just me?

Well, yeah, they're a bit behind...That's why they workin' on Sundays and probably longer in the nights...But progress is expected to slow down now through fall and winter..But nothing too bad..I think as soon as spring and warm weather starts, they'll make things right and fast...:)

Fulton Street is and has always been a one-way street (westward), so it'll be the same when they extend it across the WTC site. Vesey Street (north of 1WTC) will also be a one-way street, going eastward. Greenwich Street (which cuts directly through the middle of the site) is also a one-way street, going southward, and Church Street is a one-way street going northward.

I imagine there will be a traffic light at the intersection of Greenwich and Fulton, but I dunno about Fulton and West Street.

It's good to see the cladding be delivered. After watching this start at just a few floors, the red steel has made me imagine it being a red tower. I imagine they'll want to try and get as much done before it starts to get cold and snow. Now, based on their timeline to get this done, it would seem to me they're a tad behind, or is that just me?

According to the original construction timetable from the October 2008 PA report, the cladding was to be begin in the third quarter of this year. The entire podium glass was to be finished by second quarter of 2011. Obviously that's not going to happen.

At least the steel is still rising. I'll take more height over glass.

It keeps rising. i'm so happy!!!! finally!! Its growing so fast

According to the original construction timetable from the October 2008 PA report, the cladding was to be begin in the third quarter of this year. The entire podium glass was to be finished by second quarter of 2011. Obviously that's not going to happen.

Eh, you never know. I say it's still POSSIBLE to have all of the podium glass installed by the end of Q2 2011. The steel and concrete have both been rising at a rate of about a floor a week, and even the fireproofing seems to be following that trend. If the glass can also be installed at a floor a week, and considering the fact that there's really only the equivalent of 8 mechanical floors, they should be able to knock out the majority of the podium glass in just 8 weeks. Of course, that would still leave the area around the lobby and 2nd floor (80 feet, or equivalent of 6 floors), which can't begin until they complete the damn blast wall, but as long as they finish the blast wall by the end of April 2011 (and have the glass around the 8 mechanical floors installed by then), that should leave them enough time to install the 6 floors of glass over the blast walls by the end of the 2nd quarter.

Even if they miss this target, they'll almost certainly have it done by the 10th anniversary at least. And even if the blast wall prevents them from meeting THAT target, then I'm sure they'll at least have the glass prisms installed on the mechanical floors.

i must be blind but can someone highlight where they have started installing the glass facade.

i must be blind but can someone highlight where they have started installing the glass facade.

They haven't, glass is just on site.

Is it just me, or have the partially filled the North Pool with water? There can't have been that much rain today, surely... Looks to be a foot deep, from the EarthCam.

Is it just me, or have the partially filled the North Pool with water? There can't have been that much rain today, surely... Looks to be a foot deep, from the EarthCam.

It does look like several inches of water has accumulated. Looks like the waterproofing is working fine. :)

I wonder when they will start to install the glass.

Is it just me, or have the partially filled the North Pool with water? There can't have been that much rain today, surely... Looks to be a foot deep, from the EarthCam.

Supposedly, they were going to do test runs on the north fountain.

I think we have a situation :nuts::nuts::banana:

Windows :lol:

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Windows! :redx::redx::redx::redx::redx::redx::redx::D

I think we have a situation :nuts::nuts::banana:

Windows :lol:



^^ Uuummm...We actually noticed this a couple of days ago..;)

There are 3 or 4 trucks full of glass every day...

I think we have a situation :nuts::nuts::banana:

Windows :lol:

How is that a situation???

How is that a situation???

He's been watching to much Jersey Shore.

Though it would be awesome if the cladding started by the end of this month, is that likely?

so cladding will start soon, cool :)

STR..

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.What happens if someone falls in the pit?

There are no barriers to protect the public.

Then he deserve it..That's the conclusion from last discussion on that toppic...And I have no idea what this has to do with 1 WTC..

When you fall into a pit, you did not watch your step.....
But, off-topic: are you New Yorkers ready for the marathon this weekend?? I wish I could be there! On-topic: what a beautiful render from the helicopter view.

^^ Uuummm...We actually noticed this a couple of days ago..;)

There are 3 or 4 trucks full of glass every day...


I know that, but did you ever see these glas things by themself. You saw only
trucks. Now it is shure.:lol:

Coming along nicely!

Does anyone know if this structure can work as a hull-core structure? Or is it the concrete core taking most of the lateral loads??

The structure is a tube/tree hybrid. The perimeter columns take most of the lateral loads and the core takes most of the gravity loads.

I know that, but did you ever see these glas things by themself. You saw only
trucks. Now it is shure.:lol:

I saw glass too..Just right next to the truck..:)

I saw glass too..Just right next to the truck..:)

Good to know.

Since how many days they are doing that?

November 5th, 2010

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Nice one :okay: i can smell the cladding :banana:

Good to know.

Since how many days they are doing that?

Well, I'm not really sure...I noticed those trucks a few last days of October, but didn't pay too much attention..Then I saw glass comin' out of them right after November started...Since then, 3 or 4 trucks are there every day..:)

NYguy, November 5th, Skyscraperpage..


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NYguy posted this on skyscraperpage and i thought i should share this with everyone on here, also because its so tight. Comes with 125 3d buildings including 1,2,3,4 wtc, and glow in the dark streets.
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While I'm waiting for the cladding of the office floors I wonder whats going on below. Are there any news about the blast wall? I ask this because the small blast wall in the southeast took a half year and i don't think we see some basement cladding before the blast wall and the stairways in the corners are completed. Or am i wrong?

I love that tower of freedom, good advances in the construction. =)

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there is water in the pool!!!!!:nuts:

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it rained a couple days ago..but yes there is water in the north pool

It´s growing up fast!
How many floors it has right now?

Hi NYC formers

Never been to New York, but shall go when this is finished..

Thanks for all the updates

Sale

It´s growing up fast!
How many floors it has right now?

46...Soon will be 48..

I suppose that these white "spots" have something to do with the cladding, right? Maybe the glass is going to be held by them ?

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^^ Yes, they are brackets for the glass. Should be anyday now when we see the first pieces installed.

Yes, I've never posted in this forum before, but I thought I'd put this up for laughs, as 1 WTC was prominently in a dream I had last night.

I dreamt I was the President of the US (I think I was Obama, but can't be sure). The tower had just been finished (but I don't think there was a spire) and I was on the top for some kind of inauguration ceremony. So I kind of wandered away from the Secret Service, to go look over the edge, and I saw the construction elevator on the side. It was very rickety and jury-rigged - it was a long plank of wood, like about 1 foot across and maybe 10 feet long, supported by ropes at both ends. I was seriously thinking of taking it down to the bottom for some reason, that maybe I should rope myself off on the thing in case it got tippy, but the streets below didn't seem THAT far away, so I was debating whether or not to rope myself off when I took it down... anyway, I think at that point I woke up, and tried to remember the dream so I could put it up here for giggles. Hope you enjoyed.

November 7th, GreenwichBoy, WNY..

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November 6th, in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/)

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I suppose that these white "spots" have something to do with the cladding, right? Maybe the glass is going to be held by them ?

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Those are the builders socks hanging out to dry after a fierce rainstorm.:lol:

cool rendering from In.formed i am extremly jealous of his view!
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The anticipation for the cladding is pretty intense. I hope we don't have to wait much longer. It's hard to believe that it will be over 50 floors in a few weeks. I remember when they first stated the foundations so seeing the way it is now is really is amazing.

Whomever is closest gets bragging rights. I'm going to say by 4PM on Nov.16th! Anyone actually privy to the schedule should not guess..no fair!

Will they have that building gone by new years?:hammer::hammer:

Whomever is closest gets bragging rights. I'm going to say by 4PM on Nov.16th! Anyone actually privy to the schedule should not guess..no fair!

Lets take it up notch. lets see who can guess which spot the first pane will occupy.:cheers:

Whomever is closest gets bragging rights. I'm going to say by 4PM on Nov.16th! Anyone actually privy to the schedule should not guess..no fair!I'm going to go with October 16th at 12PM :gunz:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2762/xccj.png (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/xccj.png/)

I'm going to go with October 16th at 12PM :gunz:


so next year, ha? :lol: :D

One world trade center is as tall as the old 7 world trade center.

I'm gonna say 20th, 10:00 am..:)

wel it looks like they add the cladding by the end of next week we wil probarly see some glas on that bunker atleast they are building somthing i am for twin towers but we al see it that dream is gone for real but not in 3d im making a stunning new model i wil make a discussion page about it lets start by today i wil add the link later

hey guys i made a new forum about my latest wtc complex model i have flickr acound with the images but wen i upload them in the messageusing the url i only see a litle cross do they check the image fist or have i do somthing wrong

wel it looks like they add the cladding by the end of next week we wil probarly see some glas on that bunker atleast they are building somthing i am for twin towers but we al see it that dream is gone for real but not in 3d im making a stunning new model i wil make a discussion page about it lets start by today i wil add the link later

:lol: I just love those texts when people don't know what is "." or "," or "!" or "?" :) You got one big mess of words and you gotta read is slowly and about twice to understand what there supposed to be said...:)

:lol: I just love those texts when people don't know what is "." or "," or "!" or "?" :) You got one big mess of words and you gotta read is slowly and about twice to understand what there supposed to be said...:)

wel i have a new key board

heres my new forum for the world trade center complex pre 9/11 in 3d

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=66757109#post66757109

it looks like im having trouble with loading images from my flickr can anyone tell me wy u use the url from the image to insert itin the message but i only see a cross is it gonna take a while to see them or did i do somthing wrong

My guess for cladding is November 12th, 8:00 am

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5031/wtc7model.png

My best guess would be November 10th at 11 AM.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5031/wtc7model.png

finaly it works

My best guess would be November 10th at 11 AM.

yeah shure at my birthday:banana::banana::banana:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/535/oneworldtradecenterfron.png

are they gonna use this for the freedom tower too

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the picture from when the first piling for the WTC was sunk, and Skyscrapercity's name was written on it? I had a HD crash kill my copy...

are they gonna use this for the freedom tower too

1. Pay attention to your punctuation.

2. The name "freedom tower" was part of the Liebeskind master plan. This was changed YEARS ago. The official name of this tower is One World Trade Center. When you call it freedom tower at least some people probably don't understand what you mean.

3. It should be clear that they won't reuse the twin towers logo for the new WTC. But I fear i don't see your point.

Very cool pics.

cool rendering from In.formed i am extremly jealous of his view!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5155836727/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11385&d=1289177954

FYI, that image is way off.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4043/10050400.jpg

Amazing photomontage! It is clear to exactly see what is to come...

wonderful STR, just wonderful! :applause:

so next year, ha? :lol: :D
lol, i meant November.. =p

Please do not start again debates about perspectives and sizes, wonderful, STR, amazing job, but please let's take his post as conclusion.
Back on topic, does anybody knows if the length of the office glass is the same size of the base glass? It seems that on STR's renderings it does.

^^ Spam:ohno: Already reported.

Rendering of WTC complex. The spire of 1 WTC is the old one. Hope this picture is newhttp://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2343/703yd.jpg

^Yeah, please don't repost my sh*t if it's 3 years old, like that one is.

v Similar angle, but made 3 weeks ago.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5207/t231.jpg

My guesstimation is that glass installation will actually start next week (things almost never happen according to the master schedule on construction sites), most likely November 17th at about 10:00am EST.

I'm going with Tuesday, November 16 at 10:30am EST.

hey str youre models are amazing my model looks good to but i never can build the way you pull it of realy wy dont you make a model of ken gardners twin towers 2 just to see how it was if they had build it

1. Pay attention to your punctuation.

2. The name "freedom tower" was part of the Liebeskind master plan. This was changed YEARS ago. The official name of this tower is One World Trade Center. When you call it freedom tower at least some people probably don't understand what you mean.

3. It should be clear that they won't reuse the twin towers logo for the new WTC. But I fear i don't see your point.

il get youre point ofcourse its one world trade center that sign is from the old world trade center il guess that they are gonna put a stainles steel one in front of building wat wil be on it we caint say we wil see wen it opens and one world trade center haves th name freedom tower in it its his nickname stil one world trade center is the official name now ofcourse

il get youre point ofcourse its one world trade center that sign is from the old world trade center il guess that they are gonna put a stainles steel one in front of building wat wil be on it we caint say we wil see wen it opens and one world trade center haves th name freedom tower in it its his nickname stil one world trade center is the official name now ofcourse

Sorry, but how old are you?

On-topic:
Im guessing the cladding will be installed 11/9, at noon.

^^ A good guess. Reminds me of when I stood on ESB on 11/9/01

im 24 years and i live in the netherlands ok

there wil be one thing we wil never see again.
the observation deck on top of the building.
fence free view.
and how wil they wash all of the windows.
are theygonna use a robot for that like the old ones.

im 24 years and i live in the netherlands ok

Oh okay, I thought you were from America. I apologize, English isn't your first language.

hey str youre models are amazing my model looks good to but i never can build the way you pull it of realy wy dont you make a model of ken gardners twin towers 2 just to see how it was if they had build it

Sorry, but no.

1) Because they're never going to be built.

2)I'm already working on Tower 1, Tower 4 and Khalifa/Dubai Tower. That's enough.

STR - Great renderings and models. May I ask which software you use to make the models? I would love to have a go myself.

Thanks

Sorry, but no.

1) Because they're never going to be built.

2)I'm already working on Tower 1, Tower 4 and Khalifa/Dubai Tower. That's enough.

ok.
im running into problems on the terrain of the wtc.i caint build the mall in it because it woult stick out on church street.i think google earths terrain is messed up. how did you do the terrain arround it

The Twin Towers 2 will be built just in a alternate site.

Oh okay, I thought you were from America. I apologize, English isn't your first language.

The Dutch language also uses punctuation, though.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=66757109#post66757109

my origenal wtc in 3d page

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=66757109#post66757109

my origenal wtc in 3d page

Look, your models are nice, but they're not in any relation with construction of the new 1WTC...So I think it's time to stop this model stuff here..There's 3D section on this forum, and there's place for your models...It's a friendly advice and you should listen to it..Because someone could bann you..And that would be shame because you can learn a lot on this forum..So stay good...:cheers:

Well well well...:) What we have here...Black net goin' down...

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5545/liveaerialview201011027.jpg

The columns seemed to have changed color, must be because of the fireproofing

The Dutch language also uses punctuation, though.

??

im only wanted to make you guys aware of the new model.i wil not post anything about it here anymore ok.i have my own page.i wil only look back often to see one world trade center grow.and yes by the end of next week the first cladding wil be visible.its moving fast now.in my opinion this building.is ready on the outsite on 9/11 2011 togeter with the memorial so its time for me to pack my bags and get ready to visit nyc because i dont want to miss the opening hihi lol

Aw, snap! They're testing the waterfalls in the north reflecting pool!

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5350/northpoolwaterfalltest.png

im only wanted to make you guys aware of the new model.i wil not post anything about it here anymore ok.i have my own page.i wil only look back often to see one world trade center grow.and yes by the end of next week the first cladding wil be visible.its moving fast now.in my opinion this building.is ready on the outsite on 9/11 2011 togeter with the memorial so its time for me to pack my bags and get ready to visit nyc because i dont want to miss the opening hihi lol

I think we'll see the caldding any day now..:)

November 9th, RoldanTTLB, WNY..

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/TNlrACcSWrI/AAAAAAAAEkA/GmaYu-xCH9w/s800/IMG_1722.JPG

November 9th, RoldanTTLB, WNY..

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/TNlrACcSWrI/AAAAAAAAEkA/GmaYu-xCH9w/s800/IMG_1722.JPG

I don't know if it's just me, but i couldn't see the pic. I had to quote your message and copy/paste the image link to a new tab :cheers:

PS: now that i opened it and have it in the browser cache i can see it in the original post

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2738/waterfallwtcnorthpool.png i caint believe it finaly the north pool is running look at the nice waterfals

^^ Water was even faster and more spectacular a few moments ago...Btw, they removed red net on the part of the 21st floor...Are we gonna see glass up today? :)

lets hope it wil be looks like allot of glas is already delivered a crane is set up in frond of the building

That would be awesome if glass went up today but what are the chances of that. I just got out of class and saw it.. this is effin sweet!

That would be awesome if glass went up today but what are the chances of that. I just got out of class and saw it.. this is effin sweet!

Looks like nothing today...Damn we waitin' for it like for Christmass..:)

Don't be surprised if they put up some curtain wall sections tonight while the steel crew is asleep. It is common for the tower cranes on a building to work the structure during the day and everything else at night.

wel the presents are being unwrapped hihi but weres the present ??????????

wel the presents are being unwrapped hihi but weres the present ??????????

please ban

^^

Seconded

On-Topic: Is the fireproofing going to speed up as the building rises? They've really been taking it slow so far

My 'last pre-cladding' wander...

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1251/web.jpg?ver=12893470230001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1262/web.jpg?ver=12893470460001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1267/web.jpg?ver=12893470510001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1287/web.jpg?ver=12893470830001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1299/web.jpg?ver=12893471060001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1358/web.jpg?ver=12893471460001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1376/web.jpg?ver=12893474240001

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101565/IMGP1413/web.jpg?ver=12893472110001

Excellent photos ^^^^

Courtesy of AP and The Modesto Bee
http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/17-8Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/677-667Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/432-512Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/650-Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

Not expecting to see water there so soon!! And now just the damn glass on :D

wel the presents are being unwrapped hihi but weres the present ??????????


^^ what? you're more weird than your english!

please ban

:cheers:

^^ Water was even faster and more spectacular a few moments ago...Btw, they removed red net on the part of the 21st floor...Are we gonna see glass up today? :)

..looks like it's gonna happen very soon! Whoever guessed the 10th could very well be the winner.:banana:

Im hoping for glass in the next hour so I win :D

It's my birthday, what would be a better gift, than seeing the cladding being installed!!! :D

RGZ is back..And it's back on the 1WTC..

Yes!!!!!! So you guys think today is the day the glass is installed!?!?!? Btw too bad i can't go and see it for myself. I like about 14 hours away from NYC. :(

Excellent photos ^^^^

Courtesy of AP and The Modesto Bee
http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/17-8Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/677-667Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/432-512Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2010/11/09/19/650-Attacks_Memorial.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.jpg

the waterfals are realy looking great

^^ what? you're more weird than your english!

it was just a joke ok no harm

wow! i didn't expect to see waterfalls!!

forget the twin towers 2 plan.
i dont understand wy i was against the new wtc.
but now that i see the beauty.
i fell for it i caint wait to see it all.
this is gonna be a state of the art trade center.

forget the twin towers 2 plan. i dont understand.wy i was against.the new wtc but.
but now that i see the beauty.i fell for it.i caint wait to see it all.
this is gonna be a state of the art trade center.

Uhm, interpunctuation doesn't mean just putting dots at random throughout the sentences... Your posts are just a disgrace to other dutch people..

Anyways, 1WTC coming along just fine now!

Uhm, interpunctuation doesn't mean just putting dots at random throughout the sentences... Your posts are just a disgrace to other dutch people..

Anyways, 1WTC coming along just fine now!

don't have to make fun of his punctuation :ohno: at least hes trying

don't have to make fun of his punctuation :ohno: at least hes trying

really its the content you write thats most important, just be more efficeint with your posts...

Maybe it's poetry! :lol:

are they cladding the core in the lobby

Maybe it's poetry! :lol:

are they cladding the core in the lobby

:lol::lol::lol::lol: I don't know what is funnier...:lol::lol:

maibe both ????lol

yes maibe. maybe go to googletranslate before posting

Well, I feel sorry for my so called fellow countryman and his poor English. I can only hope that he once will take a serious English course. But, if it is any help, on the Dutch threads there are so many people who cannot wright simple and grammatical correct Dutch. What to expect if it is to be written in English.....

^^ I think you need a lesson too ! " wright " :lol:

are they cladding the core in the lobby

I'm certian it will be clad in marble or granite, not sure which one, but that won't be done til later on in the construction. Expect the base cladding to go up before you see the core at the base clad.

anyway are we talking about writting.or are we talking about the progres at one world trade center how is the progres on one world trade center now

anyway are we talking about writting.or are we talking about the progres at one world trade center how is the progres on one world trade center now

The core scaffolding jumped today. We should see new vertical steel tomorrow or friday.

By my watch, it's twenty minutes past my guess for the glass. Hmm . . .

The core scaffolding jumped today. We should see new vertical steel tomorrow or friday.

good to hear that

The lobby won't be finished until the building is almost topped out. The reason is that they still need to get people and material into the building, and by keeping everything open it keeps things running smoothly.

Looks like she'll pass the wtc7 any day now!!!

The fountains are awesome!

Looks like she'll pass the wtc7 any day now!!!

:lol: Not this year...

steel still at lev45?

RGZ is back..And it's back on the 1WTC..

I'm still seeing the October 20th image. Cleared my browser cache too...

really its the content you write thats most important, just be more efficeint with your posts...

well when you're used to a different language you will probably mess up like he obviously is (at least i hope he is) you try going on a french board and try speaking to them.

Testing of waterfalls = :soon: :colgate:

NYguy posted this on skyscraperpage and i thought i should share this with everyone on here, also because its so tight. Comes with 125 3d buildings including 1,2,3,4 wtc, and glow in the dark streets.
http://www.4dcityscape.com/shop/index.php?p=product&id=1&parent=1
http://www.4dcityscape.com/shop/images/products/secondary/29.jpg
http://www.4dcityscape.com/shop/images/products/secondary/25.jpg

I saw this and ordered it instantly. Just came in today, and sadly its missing two buildings (one of them happens to be the FlatIron... :(). hopefully I'll be sent them in the mail from the manufacturer.

Discovery channels ground zero camera

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures.html

Cool!

http://i56.tinypic.com/2uhwb4l.jpg

steel still at lev45?

46th..Should be 48th today or tomorrow...If not, monday, for sure..:cheers:

Testing of waterfalls = :soon: :colgate:

They testin' them already...

I'm still seeing the October 20th image. Cleared my browser cache too...

Now it's stuck on November 10th, 8PM and it's crashed down again...I think I'm not gonna pay any attention to it anymore...

November 10th, NYguy, Skyscraperpage...

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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977173-S1300x600.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977173.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977174-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977177-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977179-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977180-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977181-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977182-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977183-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977184-S1300x600.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/977185-S1300x600.jpg

Why don't you all write a proper message in Dutch. Whoever manage to do this correctly can continue criticising the poor boy who is trying to communicate with people in a foreign language. You're all a bunch off pathetic people.

Progress on the site is wonderful by the way!!

Dino, excellent updates! as always!..

I saw this and ordered it instantly. Just came in today, and sadly its missing two buildings (one of them happens to be the FlatIron... :(). hopefully I'll be sent them in the mail from the manufacturer... nice i'm going to order mine soon, take a picture when your done..:)

Bring on the glass cladding!

Just as cool as the cladding will be, I am looking forward to seeing the stainless edges!

Why don't you all write a proper message in Dutch. Whoever manage to do this correctly can continue criticising the poor boy who is trying to communicate with people in a foreign language. You're all a bunch off pathetic people.

Progress on the site is wonderful by the way!!

I see your point, but this is not a Dutch message board. He just needs to calm down, think about what he is writing, and not post back to back to back.

There's a purpose why WTC Twin Towers were destroyed..

There's a purpose why WTC Twin Towers were destroyed..

Is it so that the freedom tower can get built?

And Why don't you all write a proper message in Dutch. Whoever manage to do this correctly can continue criticising the poor boy who is trying to communicate with people in a foreign language. You're all a bunch off pathetic people.


I agree. Where the hell did all these immature people com from?? I see absolutely nothing hard to interpret in none of dude's posts....

A view from 7 World Trade Center, from the discovery cams. Look at the swirls on the north pool!

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-02.html

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5166/34115565.png (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/34115565.png/)

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Looking better and better everyday!!

Look at the HD Earthcam right now! There is a whirlpool in the memorial footprint.

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

Looks like steel for next two floors arrived..

^^ I think you need a lesson too ! " wright " :lol:
OOOPPPPSSSS!!! I am very sorry! I'm not perfect, so it seems! :nuts:

I see your point, but this is not a Dutch message board. He just needs to calm down, think about what he is writing, and not post back to back to back.

im pretty sure this is a world message board....also seeing as this is a thread on the world trade center i would expect plenty of foreign people to post in here. you just need to except his errors.

Let's all focus on the Tower here people. Just be happy he shows interest in a foreign project and carry on.

i like to see how much progress the 4 wtc is starting to get. i was getting annoyed by the same old stump it used to be.

Just as cool as the cladding will be, I am looking forward to seeing the stainless edges!

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5982/09freedom650.jpg

Let's all focus on the Tower here people. Just be happy he shows interest in a foreign project and carry on.


yeah, i totally agree.. i was one of that people who criticized his english, and that's wrong from me, because i'm one of those foreigns who watch this thread and make some comments sometimes, so, my apologies to that dude!

..let's back on toppic, ok? :cheers:

November 10th, NYguy, Skyscraperpage...

Part 2


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yeah, i totally agree.. i was one of that people who criticized his english, and that's wrong from me, because i'm one of those foreigns who watch this thread and make some comments sometimes, so, my apologies to that dude!

..let's back on toppic, ok? :cheers:

:grouphug:

November 11th, GreenwichBoy, WNY...

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11396&d=1289485974

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11395&d=1289485956

What floor there on right now?

What are the two low rise structures south of tower 1 and west of the waterfalls?

What floor there on right now?

Steel is up to the 46th floor, tomorrow it'll probably be up to the 48th.

What are the two low rise structures south of tower 1 and west of the waterfalls?

Basically just ventilation structures for the PATH trains underground, but they will also have emergency exit stairwells from the underground museum and a freight elevator. Also the northern one will have a concession stand.

im pretty sure this is a world message board....also seeing as this is a thread on the world trade center i would expect plenty of foreign people to post in here. you just need to except his errors.

I'm not going to get into it with anyone over something so silly, but why don't you take a look at the other threads in the "Supertalls" section. What language are people using when they post? It has nothing to do with nationality, it's just the way things are. And all I said is that he needs to calm down and post a little less.

Why don't you all write a proper message in Dutch. Whoever manage to do this correctly can continue criticising the poor boy who is trying to communicate with people in a foreign language. You're all a bunch off pathetic people.

Yeah, a few around here have been making a big deal out of nothing really. Could we please stop giving the guy a hard time for no good reason?

Core steel for the 47th and 48th floors are up. That takes the height to 560 feet.

I can imagine that New Yorkers must feel so proud when they see the freedom tower and others finally going up!

But damn, it took almost 10 years...

Maybe they are not happy. But oh well

By GreenwichBoy, 11-12-10.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11399&d=1289572253

^^

Do you mean 11/12/10?

My screen sucks and i can't see it properly: what's tthat thing right over the top of the crane?

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2127/1wtc12nov2010.png (http://img254.imageshack.us/i/1wtc12nov2010.png/)

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My screen sucks and i can't see it properly: what's tthat thing right over the top of the crane?

Not sure exactly, but it is probably one of the crew/material elevators.

Not sure exactly, but it is probably one of the crew/material elevators.

Yes, it's an elevator..

yes, probably. I've always thought the elevator was inside the blue structure, not on its side :nuts:

Should follow this thread a little more :lol:

this building is my favourite one ^^ but i have one question how expensive is this building? or how expensive will this building be after its completed?
is there someone who can answer this question?