What is that long white beam seen is picture 18?

...it's rigging. They must have been lifting something long and awkward.

look.....nothing was wrong with the original design....the facade had close spaced columns because people may feel uncomfortable with wide glass at such high levels...in the late 60's this was incredible height! The facade and core carried all the load all the floorspace between the core and the facade was clear...........the events of 9/11 only showed the one failing of this design. When this project was designed %#@&* in this world weren't taken into consideration....... In the end...we win...because those $#^&# are cretins who don't have a future in the real world just hide in caves...IMO

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The very first skyscrapers appeared around 125 years ago. I wonder what the architects and engineers of those times would have thought of the glass curtain walls and other engineering marvels and technology of today?

Louis Sullivan would happily have used them, and said so in his writings. But he understood his market. Hence Beaux Arts and Neoclassical cladding.

Impossible to say what they'd make of 1WTC or the Shard. I suspect they'd like them very much, doubt they'd be amazed. A safe bet most would have enjoyed access to current materials science and the speed of engineering calculation now.

When it passes Goldman Sachs' new building it is seriously on the way.

Impressive progress. It seems that the construction process is going faster now ! Good for New York

What is that long white beam seen is picture 18?

It's a spreader used for lifting the blue netting panels. if you look at some of the other pictures you will see that they use both cranes together to lift an entire side at once.

Why does this tower have so few vertical columns when the originals had so many?

The architect for the Twin Towers was afraid of heights so he made the windows small with lots of small columns.

Tower One has far fewer, much thicker, columns made from much stronger steel making it possible to have exterior walls of nearly uninterrupted glass.

The architect for the Twin Towers was afraid of heights so he made the windows small with lots of small columns.

Tower One has far fewer, much thicker, columns made from much stronger steel making it possible to have exterior walls of nearly uninterrupted glass.
In the originals the outer walls were an integral part of the structure, supporting the floors. In virtually all other tall buildings the outer walls are just a facade, and offer no support at all.

It was a trade off between large windows and column-free office space.

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this is a very nice photo of lower Manhattan but does anyone know what is under construction next to South Ferry ?

The very first skyscrapers appeared around 125 years ago. I wonder what the architects and engineers of those times would have thought of the glass curtain walls and other engineering marvels and technology of today?

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This building is Oriel Chambers in Liverpool, designed by the architect Peter Ellis and built 145 years ago. It is reputed to be the first building to have a metal frame and to have a glass curtain walling system. As such it is seen as the precursor of the modern skyscraper.

I think this proves that the glass faced skyscraper was a technical possibility from the earliest times but that the ruling formality of the day prevented it from being widely developed. Certainly this building came in for a lot of criticism when first built.

Certainly pre-WWII architects such as Mies Van der Rohe dreamed of building glass towers.

I believe though that the reason we have so many glass-faced buildings nowadays is that the earlier masonry is prohibitively expensive. In skyscrapers such as the Empire State Building and Chrysler Buildings, the shear solidity of the masonry cladding stiffened the steel frame and gave the whole building structural strength. When it was no longer possible to build with masonry, more complex structural systems had to be evolved such as the shell and core system of the original World Trade Center.

^^ Thought Flatron Building is NYC's first and oldest skyscraper? BTW, how is it related to WTC 1? Please stay on topic, thanks!

I love the process of WTC 1! I also like how cladding is turning out so far. :)

When is it expected to surpass 7WTC?

This building is Oriel Chambers in Liverpool, designed by the architect Peter Ellis and built 145 years ago. It is reputed to be the first building to have a metal frame and to have a glass curtain walling system. As such it is seen as the precursor of the modern skyscraper.

I think this proves that the glass faced skyscraper was a technical possibility from the earliest times but that the ruling formality of the day prevented it from being widely developed. Certainly this building came in for a lot of criticism when first built.

Certainly pre-WWII architects such as Mies Van der Rohe dreamed of building glass towers.

I believe though that the reason we have so many glass-faced buildings nowadays is that the earlier masonry is prohibitively expensive. In skyscrapers such as the Empire State Building and Chrysler Buildings, the shear solidity of the masonry cladding stiffened the steel frame and gave the whole building structural strength. When it was no longer possible to build with masonry, more complex structural systems had to be evolved such as the shell and core system of the original World Trade Center.

They are working on materials that are transparent and stronger than steel. So expect to see even more transparent buildings in future with things like transparent columns.

You mean the glass on the frame or cladding piece to the building?
The glass on the frame

The architect for the Twin Towers was afraid of heights so he made the windows small with lots of small columns.
In the originals the outer walls were an integral part of the structure, supporting the floors. In virtually all other tall buildings the outer walls are just a facade, and offer no support at all.

It was a trade off between large windows and column-free office space.

your both right, no need to quote him and try to correct him when he is 100% correct.

This building is Oriel Chambers in Liverpool, designed by the architect Peter Ellis and built 145 years ago. It is reputed to be the first building to have a metal frame and to have a glass curtain walling system. As such it is seen as the precursor of the modern skyscraper.



Thanks for posting the picture, Martin ... it's a most elegant building. I hope they consider it a historic landmark so that it will never be demolished. This is a revolutionary step and truly a precursor to modern glass curtain wall skyscrapers such as One World Trade Center.

When I was referring to the earliest skyscrapers what I had in mind was the 10 story Home Insurance Building in Chicago (1885) or the 10 story Wainwright Building (1891) in St. Louis, which may be considered true skyscrapers because they had elevators to transport people to the higher floors.

In the originals the outer walls were an integral part of the structure, supporting the floors. In virtually all other tall buildings the outer walls are just a facade, and offer no support at all.

It was a trade off between large windows and column-free office space.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You should stick to soccer and leave engineering to us engineers.

It's because mods/admins sometimes post invisible posts, which normal users can't see. So they count in the number of posts and pages but for the rest you don't see them, so that's why sometimes your on for example page 888 and you see 889 but can't enter it. And it also messes with the post numbers of the latest posts, so actually you are seeing everything just some not interesting moderator nonsense you don't see.

What a nasty bug (or design flaw) in vBulletin. I just clicked the "go to first new post" icon (the chevron) and it took me to page 889 with only two posts on it. I clicked page 888 and found five more new posts that I would have missed had I trusted the "go to first new post" link. Later, all seven new posts (and a few older ones) magically became part of page 889. And now this post, and Zen's before it, are the only ones that show up on 889.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You should stick to soccer and leave engineering to us engineers.

what is wrong with what he said?

^The assertion that no modern buildings use perimeter columns is patently wrong.

what is wrong with what he said?

^The assertion that no modern buildings use perimeter columns is patently wrong.

+ That would be like the core takes whole building on her self..Yes, the core is the stronest part of the building but it has some limits too..You have to bolt those beams commin' out of the core to something to take the weight of everything on that floor...It's seriously impossible even to imagine something like he said...:cheers:

What a nasty bug (or design flaw) in vBulletin. I just clicked the "go to first new post" icon (the chevron) and it took me to page 889 with only two posts on it. I clicked page 888 and found five more new posts that I would have missed had I trusted the "go to first new post" link. Later, all seven new posts (and a few older ones) magically became part of page 889. And now this post, and Zen's before it, are the only ones that show up on 889.

Yeah, that's badass..I reply to the post and then I see a couple of forumers already answered to it...It starting to be annoying..

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^The assertion that no modern buildings use perimeter columns is patently wrong.I don't think that was what Zensteeldude was saying. He was merely pointing out that the majority of high-rises today feature curtain walls, which don't act as primary structure, and therefore are not limited by the perimeter column placement. While this is nothing new, it does affect how much daylight can get in (particularly the spacing and thickness of exterior columns). In the WTC, the exterior columns were the wall, and as a result, there density and thickness only allowed for narrow slot windows, in contrast to the vast majority of buildings built today. It may still be true that other high-rises built today function the same structurally as the old WTCs did, but I seriously doubt most feature such closely spaced perimeter columns.

.........

I'm sure that the perimeter columns of the 1WTC will play a greater role than in more conventional buildings as there is clearly quite a wide gap between them and the core columns. Modern office buildings are designed to have large column-free areas of floor space to maximise their freedom of layout.

In the case of the original WTC, both the internal core and the perimeter columns supported the vertical load of the tower (due to self-weight, furniture, people etc) whilst the perimeter columns would have taken wind loads by resisting tension on the windward face of the tower and compression on the leeward as the tower tried to bend away from the wind. The central core and the floors would act to preserve the shape of the building and so prevent the perimeter columns from buckling away from the loads applied to them. The central core would also fix one floor laterally with respect to the floors above and beneath it and so prevent the structure from swaying.

I don't know but I would guess that the triangular elevations of the 1WTC facade might also function to resist wind load.

It would be interesting to know

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question but which company is doing the facade (production + installation)? AFAIK Viracon is supplying the glass but I couldn’t find out who does the facade itself. Any ideas guys?

^^ Thought Flatron Building is NYC's first and oldest skyscraper? BTW, how is it related to WTC 1? Please stay on topic, thanks!



Oriel Chambers is in Liverpool not NYC and, even by our lower standards it is not considered a skyscraper. However along with another building by the same architect 16 Cook Street, it pioneered a structural system that is widely thought to have influenced the early Chicago skyscrapers and, hence the skyscrapers of NYC.

I mentioned this because of the discussion about the use of glass cladding in modern skyscrapers such as 1WTC, so I don't think it is that far off topic.

Thanks for posting the picture, Martin ... it's a most elegant building. I hope they consider it a historic landmark so that it will never be demolished. This is a revolutionary step and truly a precursor to modern glass curtain wall skyscrapers such as One World Trade Center.

When I was referring to the earliest skyscrapers what I had in mind was the 10 story Home Insurance Building in Chicago (1885) or the 10 story Wainwright Building (1891) in St. Louis, which may be considered true skyscrapers because they had elevators to transport people to the higher floors.

We have lost a number of fine buildings in Liverpool but I think that Oriel Chambers is safe and that its importance in the development of building technology is now recognised. In fact, it has recently been refurbished and is considered quite a prestige address.

Looks too good at night, thx for the pics !

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question but which company is doing the facade (production + installation)? AFAIK Viracon is supplying the glass but I couldn’t find out who does the facade itself. Any ideas guys?

Benson Industries from Portland Oregon.

Sorry for asking a probably stupid question but which company is doing the facade (production + installation)? AFAIK Viracon is supplying the glass but I couldn’t find out who does the facade itself. Any ideas guys?

Benson Industries

:)

They are working on materials that are transparent and stronger than steel. So expect to see even more transparent buildings in future with things like transparent columns.

Who is they?

Good progress on 1WTC

Core scaffolding jumped this morning. New vertical steel any day now.

Core scaffolding jumped this morning. New vertical steel any day now.

Hopping for good weather..

^^ Thought Flatron Building is NYC's first and oldest skyscraper?

Gooderham building in Toronto was well before the Flat Iron.

+ That would be like the core takes whole building on her self..Yes, the core is the stronest part of the building but it has some limits too..You have to bolt those beams commin' out of the core to something to take the weight of everything on that floor...It's seriously impossible even to imagine something like he said...:cheers:

Yes, except for one building over 100m (that I know of) in the world that has no load on the outside of the building:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bmw+four+cylinder+building&FORM=IGRE&qpvt=bmw+four+cylinder+building#focal=e81f35c98622832df4cee943f1a41f6e&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earthinpictures.com%2Fworld%2Fgermany%2Fmunich%2Fbmw_headquarters_building.jpg

Oops double post

Ehhh. I wish they would have just rebuilt the original twin towers. I think the new 1wtc looks good, but I like the original way more.

+ That would be like the core takes whole building on her self..Yes, the core is the strongest part of the building but it has some limits too..You have to bolt those beams commin' out of the core to something to take the weight of everything on that floor...It's seriously impossible even to imagine something like he said...:cheers:

What you describe is a "tree" structure. Although I have seen many on paper, including a mile high tower designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, I have seen very few actually built.

The problem is, like trees, they sway far too much in the wind. They just aren't rigid enough.

Tower One is a "tube/tree hybrid" the core being the tree part and the tube is the perimeter, also called "Wind Frames" consisting of the columns and spandrel beams with moment connections at all beam to column connections.

The Twins were a "Tube" structure. The Sears Tower is a "Bundled Tube" design.

I wonder why the slow down on the cladding? Maybe they weren't happy with the alignment?

this building rocks! and i have to say its quite an improvement to the old world trade centres which were quite boring... although they were a great symbol of economic power when it came down to the looks of them they were quite drab...this is a step on the right direction. i wish they hadn't come down the way they did though :'(

This tower is looking real good now...

I love how New York is going to beat Taipei at its own game by having a huge spire, like when it passed the Sears Tower and Twins by putting up a decorative spire. Eat it

I love how New York is going to beat Taipei at its own game by having a huge spire, like when it passed the Sears Tower and Twins by putting up a decorative spire. Eat it

who cares the tallest is in dubai it's not a 1up if you dont beat the #1

I love how New York is going to beat Taipei at its own game by having a huge spire, like when it passed the Sears Tower and Twins by putting up a decorative spire. Eat it
you mean the petronas towers? Taipei 101 beats them both by roof height as well as pinnacle height.

I think he means the original WTC twins....

What you describe is a "tree" structure. Although I have seen many on paper, including a mile high tower designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, I have seen very few actually built.

The problem is, like trees, they sway far too much in the wind. They just aren't rigid enough.

Tower One is a "tube/tree hybrid" the core being the tree part and the tube is the perimeter, also called "Wind Frames" consisting of the columns and spandrel beams with moment connections at all beam to column connections.

The Twins were a "Tube" structure. The Sears Tower is a "Bundled Tube" design.

Yeah, I know about the mile hight tower..I was reading about it in the Wright's books...Gotta say this "tree" structure is really interesting and challenging...I saw a few proposals on this forum too...I hope we'll see more of it in the future...

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Whose house is THAT?!? :D

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Whose house is THAT?!? :D



That's church as I can see..:cheers:

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Whose house is THAT?!? ( I know this thread is not about this but he asked )

Church of our Lady of the Rosary
This pair of Georgian town houses originally designed in 1800 by John McComb Jnr was restored in 1965 as a shrine Church dedicated to Elizabeth Ann Seton. Canonized in 1975 as the first American-born saint, Seton lived here with her family in the early 1800's.The exterior of each building, faithfully returned to it's original condition with columns presumably cut from ships masts, provides a small reminder of the character of this fashionable residential neighborhood at the beginning of the 19th century. * 7-8 State St (between Whitehall and Pearl Sts )
From one of my old 1980's NY tourist books.....

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hopefully the monday after thanksgiving they are done with the first floors cladding

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Yeah, Dino strikes again. Great shots there! It offers a clear perspective on the progress made in these latter days.

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Wow, that's amazing!

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It's off topic, but seeing this picture...can someone tell me about the wreck ship found on the site, if it's was removed already or what?

you mean the petronas towers? Taipei 101 beats them both by roof height as well as pinnacle height.


^^ Thats false...the top of the spire for 1 World Trade Center will reach 1776ft (541.32m). Whereas the Taipei 101 spire tops out at 1,670.6 ft (509.2m).

Boss-tons post was actually correct. According to the accepted rules of height measurement, WTC1 is over 100 ft taller than the Taipei.

A bit off-topic:
Probably the WTC site will have a Performing Arts Center after all:

"WTC Arts Center, West Thames Footbridge to Get LMDC Grants"
http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2010/november/804_wtc-arts-center-west-thames-footbridge-to-get-lmdc-grants.html

A mock-up of the new Performing Arts Center at the World Trade Center.http://www.tribecatrib.com/images/stories/2010/01-January/wtc-pac-update.jpg

Can anyone tell me and the rest of the readers , How far behind the steel is the concrete of the core? Thanks

Core steel was installed today. So that takes it up to the 50th floor. 586 ft 8in (plus a few more for the column splice). Looks like they managed to shave a couple days off the normal two floors/two weeks schedule. We normally wouldn't see the new steel till friday.

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Fantastic pictures!

^^that white building next to it looks like it just got hit with fallen debris that thing needs to go, give that art deco some space!!

^^ Thats false...the top of the spire for 1 World Trade Center will reach 1776ft (541.32m). Whereas the Taipei 101 spire tops out at 1,670.6 ft (509.2m).

Boss-tons post was actually correct. According to the accepted rules of height measurement, WTC1 is over 100 ft taller than the Taipei.

im referring to the twins

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that's what i always imagined an american city would look like, truly beautiful mate. i love it

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epic pic. looks pretty exciting up there. :cheers2:

It's off topic, but seeing this picture...can someone tell me about the wreck ship found on the site, if it's was removed already or what?

Yes, it was removed long time ago..

Amazing pics form WTC7 kanye..:cheers:

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wow!
it's so amazing!

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^^that white building next to it looks like it just got hit with fallen debris that thing needs to go, give that art deco some space!!

It was hit. It got stripped down to it's skeleton for evaluation but after it was determined the frame was sound they added another seven floors and coverted it to a hotel. The upper floors now block windows on 90 west and Thats why the upper floors peel away the way they do.

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I wonder how long the high def cam will be down =-(

Are those pics for real? They look doctored.

^^

Just hyper-realistic HDR.

Great progress with the cladding, very pleasing to see progress on the southern face. :)

^^ So hyper realistic that they look unrealistic.


I like the pictures from the top, thanks for sharing them.

Can anyone get a shot from brooklyn from when the original twin towers stood...would like to see the height comparison from the buildings in the foreground and background.

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None of those shots are HDR, FYI.

None of those shots are HDR, FYI.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Woops, yeah. The images you're all referring to failed to load before I made that comment. I thought you were talking about those close up shots of the cladding.

Yeah, the ones from Brooklyn are HDR'd out the ass.

None of those shots are HDR, FYI.

:rofl:


No.

Wtc's finally making a impact around lower manhattan, in some places you can see the cranes popping out.

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, Nov 24th. I can't wait for the gaps to be filled in. Looks great so far though.

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A bit off-topic:
Probably the WTC site will have a Performing Arts Center after all:

"WTC Arts Center, West Thames Footbridge to Get LMDC Grants"
http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2010/november/804_wtc-arts-center-west-thames-footbridge-to-get-lmdc-grants.html

A mock-up of the new Performing Arts Center at the World Trade Center.http://www.tribecatrib.com/images/stories/2010/01-January/wtc-pac-update.jpg

I did not like this project. :ohno:
I think that getting a much better Super tall on this site.

I saw the glass in person on 23 Nov 2010, and it's quite impressive.

SSC is completely fucked up at the moment. This dancing back and forth between the last two pages shit is really getting annoying.

why the gaps?

^^ +1 it took me about five goes to get on to this page :/

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Great progress

SSC is completely fucked up at the moment. This dancing back and forth between the last two pages shit is really getting annoying.

Add Earthcam here too..:ohno:

finally it's going fast! :banana:

Does anybody have an idea of the height it'll reach by march? I'll be in NY by then :D

The waviness of the glass is disappointing, but the color and reflective quality would appear to be top notch. It'll look fantastic from the ground, and that's what counts.

The waviness of the glass is disappointing, but the color and reflective quality would appear to be top notch. It'll look fantastic from the ground, and that's what counts.

Won't be wavy once the protective covers are taken off. All glass is like that when it has plastic on top.

^^ Indeed - hold your horses - probably a tad early to cast judgement on the cladding at this stage.

The waviness of the glass is disappointing, but the color and reflective quality would appear to be top notch. It'll look fantastic from the ground, and that's what counts.

I have to agree with you, on the ground the people visiting will probably think it looks grand, but in photos its turning out to be not that great, hopefully it will look better with a few floors covered, and hopefully you and I are wrong about it turning out worse than we hoped for

^^ as Rise To The Top already stated, there's proabably still a protective film which needs to be taken off. so it's too early to judge for now.

A protective film would also explain why the glass doesn't look as clear as it could be. I believe polarizing filters used by photographers can have odd effects too.

I am of the opinion that there is a plastic film on the glass.

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/09/nyregion/09freedom-650.jpg

Notice the near mirror quality reflections in the glass of the testing mock up.

I saw it yesterday, and the glass looks great!

Does it appear 'covered in plastic' or not? Are some of the panes mirror smooth and others look wavy due to this protective layer?

If the waviness is actually just the plastic film cover, that would be awesome.

Well you can't really tell if there is plastic on the glass or not haha. We'll just have to wait and see. :)

But if you all think it possibly could be my camera, it is near to Christmas, I would love a new camera, wanna chip in and buy me one? :cheers::lol::lol:

I don't think there's a protective film on the glass. To protect it from what? Bird crap? Even if there were a film used to protect the pieces during shipping, it wouldn't offer significant protection from any construction mishap once hung and it would be far more difficult and time consuming to remove it from the outside once the building is enclosed. They would remove it from the individual pieces while safely indoors, just prior to hanging them.

wow
the process is going super fast
is looking very great!

I think there's no film too..Who and how would wrap everything down? Not so easy work...And glass looks done to me at the end...Everything else is just an angle of watching...I think..:cheers:

I see Zen didn't post it here yet, so I think you would like to know...

Apparently that they leavin' every second facade piece out because of the facade mantinance track which runs vertically between the glass panels and is part of the frame holding the glass...(Zen said..:))

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5207274278_17fe3eb0b9_b.jpg

I don't think there's a protective film on the glass. To protect it from what? Bird crap? Even if there were a film used to protect the pieces during shipping, it wouldn't offer significant protection from any construction mishap once hung and it would be far more difficult and time consuming to remove it from the outside once the building is enclosed. They would remove it from the individual pieces while safely indoors, just prior to hanging them.

Isn't there film inside and outside? Presumably, the exterior film is removed prior to the piece being installed, but the interior piece remains to protect the glass during interior construction.

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

if you don't like it, shut the fuck up and get out

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

Tough talk considering that your hometown is chalked full of really ugly architecture, and the old capital of your USSR wet dream has the ugliest cluster of skyscrapers I have ever seen. Oops. Now I've said it.

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

Yes, let's look at Vilnius and it's wonderful skyscrapers... Oh wait, they're all shit. Sorry. :ohno:

I am of the opinion that there is a plastic film on the glass.

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/09/nyregion/09freedom-650.jpg

Notice the near mirror quality reflections in the glass of the testing mock up.

exactly.

first they should learn wat speed is because before they build a 10 storie flat weve build 10 skyscrapers lol

first they should learn wat speed is because before they build a 10 storie flat weve build 10 skyscrapers lol

and yes i mean russia

earthcam is stil out anyway nice progress one world trade center

I see Zen didn't post it here yet, so I think you would like to know...

Apparently that they leavin' every second facade piece out because of the facade mantinance track which runs vertically between the glass panels and is part of the frame holding the glass...(Zen said..:))

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5207274278_17fe3eb0b9_b.jpg

wow were you get these from pall looks like we have a spy under the construction workers :cheers::cheers::cheers:

I love how since the glass is going up now I barely even pay attention to the floors being added up top so I bet its gonna all of a sudden be hugeee and Ill be like whooaa where did that come from.

I don't think there's a protective film on the glass. To protect it from what? Bird crap? Even if there were a film used to protect the pieces during shipping, it wouldn't offer significant protection from any construction mishap once hung and it would be far more difficult and time consuming to remove it from the outside once the building is enclosed. They would remove it from the individual pieces while safely indoors, just prior to hanging them.

To protect from small falling debris, like nuts, bolts, etc from the upper floors. Several supertalls have protective film on their glass during construction to protect from this, the IFC in Guangzhou is a fine example of this.

I see Zen didn't post it here yet, so I think you would like to know...

Apparently that they leavin' every second facade piece out because of the facade mantinance track which runs vertically between the glass panels and is part of the frame holding the glass...(Zen said..:))



I was interrupted by todays festivities.

wow were you get these from pall looks like we have a spy under the construction workers :cheers::cheers::cheers:

I have a full set of prints for Tower One. And the Transit Hub, and the Memorial and the security center.

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

It has been said by others but if you have nothing interesting to say, say nothing at all and stay on your local forum and bla bla over there! :ohno:

I was interrupted by todays festivities.



I have a full set of prints for Tower One. And the Transit Hub, and the Memorial and the security center.

cool can you share those with me and do you have prints of the former south tower too :cheers:

Tough talk considering that your hometown is chalked full of really ugly architecture, and the old capital of your USSR wet dream has the ugliest cluster of skyscrapers I have ever seen. Oops. Now I've said it.

Yes, let's look at Vilnius and it's wonderful skyscrapers... Oh wait, they're all shit. Sorry. :ohno:

So no one can give his opinion about skyscrapers as long as his hometown doesn't have nice ones? Agreed, his post might have been a bit rubbish, but this kind of defensiveness sounds like primary school talk.

Me myself, I also don't like the overall shape of this tower. But yeah, as long as Antwerp doesn't have a nicer one I'm not allowed to say so.

cool can you share those with me and do you have prints of the former south tower too :cheers:

Here is the old World Trade center Master plan (Original 1966 plan) and Blueprints for both Twin Towers.

Here you go:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/frames.html
:cheers:

cool thanks man

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

Don't be a smartass, I'm from Vilnius and this building is definitely better than a best looking building in Lithuania, also change your stupid avatar and signature before you get banned! :nono:

I was interrupted by todays festivities.
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Happy Thanksgiving Day man...:cheers:

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This video is over a month old but it gives a good idea of the scale of the site -

K4K-vVz4Ix8

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

Don't be a smartass, I'm from Vilnius and this building is definitely better than a best looking building in Lithuania, also change your stupid avatar and signature before you get banned! :nono:

Everyone is assuming EuroVison was referring to 1WTC. He could have been referring to the mock-up of the Performing Arts Center. With the totally screwed-up indexing in this thread, who knows???

It is an amazing site to see. As per my suggestion one ought to visit the place once in a life. If you are not having the chance to see that site. you can acquire the information from internet medium.

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

wash ur mouth with soap! :bash:

^^yeah first this:

Nice pictures. That One World Trade Center will really look nice.

and 5 days later its ugly??? :wallbash:

Almost a whole page of you guys getting mad over one comment. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif

More steel!

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9065/asdasdsadsdasdasd.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/asdasdsadsdasdasd.png/)

great pic man, how are you getting those pictures?

...........

The really awesome discovery camera http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-02.html

EDIT: lol posted it at the same time =P

Cool! Thanks 4 the link, dudes! Great stuff, the view from 7 World Trade Center is merely badassical :D

^^yeah first this:



and 5 days later its ugly??? :wallbash:

He clearly was talking about the performing arts centre then. HOWEVER, let's carry on from Eurovision's statement, it's beginning to get boring hearing all the crude responses.

I check this thread more than I check my e-mail.

haha some days i check this thread more then i check my facebook..ex: the first day glass pannels came

I noticed in that fisheye view of the site, from the top of WTC 7, that the Deutsche Bank building just has a few storeys to go before it's at ground level.

I check this thread more than I check my e-mail.


:lol: , me too!

haha some days i check this thread more then i check my facebook..ex: the first day glass pannels came

Now that's true..:lol:

The Deutsche bank is still there????

OMG what the hell is the delay???:bash:

November 24th, newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/5208200999_50f3e1bc2c_b.jpg

new renders by STR ... and this is his thread (check it out!): http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5069151

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8513/n011.jpg

From: Jersey
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9303/n012.jpg

That's a wonderful flickr pic Dino^^

November 24th, newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/5208200999_50f3e1bc2c_b.jpg

Beautiful :cheers:

The Deutsche bank is still there????

OMG what the hell is the delay???:bash:It's being overseen by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. 'Nuff said.

Very ugly building should'nt even be talked about.:ohno: I have seen better..

Are you f*****g serious!! This building is not ugly! You must be blind............

it already makes quite an impact :cheers:

Can't wait to see it "peek-a-boo" over the WFC, Goldman and 7WTC..:cheers:

November 26th, NYguy, Skyscraperpage..

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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/1011142-S1300x600.jpg


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awesome!! :cheers:

I think the glass is outstanding.. this building is going to be beeautiful!!. :cheers:

Even though its minimal, you can already tell the glass facade is going to look incredible, exciting stuff!

WTC 1 Main tower's Curtain wall was started!!

In NY it slowly starts to make an impact of the skyline now. In my city it would be already considered to be a world wonder relating to the height lol

On the next two floors we'll see connection of the beams...

The cladding is beautiful! How tall is it right now? Should be around 150 m if I'm not mistaken.

should be higher, around 184m with the new steel :cheers:

The cladding is beautiful! How tall is it right now? Should be around 150 m if I'm not mistaken.

should be higher, around 184m with the new steel :cheers:

Right now is on the 50th floor..That's 586'8'' or 178,816 m..

The one thing I can't figure out about the cladding is that on photos 6 and 7 on the previous page there are two windows right next to the corner that break the pattern of having the ones with a light colored top and bottom with a window in place which alternates with a windowless space with a darker colored frame above and below it. For some reason there's two windowless frames in a row with the darker frames. I guess it will make sense once they start to fill in the missing pieces, I just thought it was odd.

MontanaGuy - I'm assuming those are just temporary spacers, probably to help with checking measurements on this first row in order to make sure everything is aligned perfectly. Then they'll pull the spacers, and install those panes of glass. This first row will take the longest to do, but once everything is correct all the other levels will be easier for them to place.

It is kind of odd. I've never actually noticed another project that went about it this way, but perhaps there have been some I missed. Who knows, we might see these spacers reused the whole way up.

they are so teasing with the cladding

The Barclay-Vessey building is nice and snug in amongst all this! It's like the new WTC buildings are its bodyguards!

Right now is on the 50th floor..That's 586'8'' or 178,816 m..

.....so that's 586,000 ft or 111 miles high! Take that, Burj Dubai! :lol::lol:
(note comma instead of period in his post)

.....so that's 586,000 ft or 111 miles high! Take that, Burj Dubai! :lol::lol:
(note comma instead of period in his post)

Let's hope this doesn't block the path of the International Space Station. :laugh:

.....so that's 586,000 ft or 111 miles high! Take that, Burj Dubai! :lol::lol:
(note comma instead of period in his post)

Comma's can be used as valid decimal marks, we just happen to use the '.' here in the USA.

Despite the small amount of cladding, you can already tell that it's going to be high-quality, and pretty stunning IMO. Even better than the renders. Well done NY!

.....so that's 586,000 ft or 111 miles high! Take that, Burj Dubai! :lol::lol:
(note comma instead of period in his post)

That's a more european way of going it! In Canada anything french is with commas. It get's confusing being bilingual :lol: I'll stick to '.' though!

Comma's can be used as valid decimal marks, we just happen to use the '.' here in the USA.

Yes, in Europe we also use the dot to separate every three figures, whereas you use the comma. Too many people don't know that. Anyway, back to our topic please.

Since we have no HD Earthcam, could someone post daily update pictures here?

By the looks of it, they removed some of the glass today. Earlier today, the south face was almost to the SE corner, but by the afternoon it was removed. I wonder what's up.

From this morning.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5317/1wtc112910.jpg

Later in the afternoon.
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7838/rgz000.jpg

By the looks of it, they removed some of the glass today. Earlier today, the south face was almost to the SE corner, but by the afternoon it was removed. I wonder what's up.

Probably because they have to get the first glass floor perfect for all the others to fit right, they may have had to re-align some of it.

By morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/), Nov 29th.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5217565141_e9e15d20af_z.jpg

It sucks how the EarthCam always seems to go down when the most is happening.

wow its so great to see everything's coming together. Just a year ago i was complaining abt the slow pace down there and now, u can see on every update progress. Cant wait for this project beeing finished. cheers guys

Does anyone have a link to the original design finalists? Specifically Adrian Smith's design? Thanks I have been looking all over for them.

By Tectonic. I love how the glass looks in that sun. I can't wait for some full floors completed.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5219207775_cbb440ebe2_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5219207643_d35b95dec1_b.jpg

Standard issued with sun glasses by the Port Authority to enter the WTC area in the future, I suppose?

Nice :cheers:

When does the WTC memorial open ?

The collums that changed from red to grey, are they covered by concrete? Or what made them change color.

^^ maybe fireproof material? :)

Yeah it's the spray-on fire proofing. Needs to be done before cladding goes on.

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Earthcam is back..

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5219207643_d35b95dec1_b.jpg


wow, beautiful to see the first shine of the sun in the glass!

When does the WTC memorial open ?

WTC Memorial Will Open For 9/11/2011

http://www.say-cheese.nl/images/freedom_tower.jpg

^^ I'm curious... Why in that render the vertical columns of the office space aren't visible from the outside?? It seems like if the floors where floating... and looking at STR's renders, they do appear. Hmm...

Looks like they finally took the formworks off the NE corner of the podium. Took long enough.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7593/blastwall.jpg

^^At least they're getting faster. It took something like five months for the first one, and two for this one.

Did anyone save a copy of the HD Earthcam image before it crapped out again? If so, could you upload to imageshack.com and post a link here? (No need to post as an image, since it's so big.) I'm kicking myself for not saving a copy this morning. Had a feeling it would die again, and this time there is no "stuck" image to study.

Edit: Never mind, it started working again as soon as I posted the above, so here is a link in case it goes gray again:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1741/gzrobotic1.jpg

Link to live image:

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg

...and the Flash version:

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

^^ I'm curious... Why in that render the vertical columns of the office space aren't visible from the outside?? It seems like if the floors where floating... and looking at STR's renders, they do appear. Hmm...

I think this is an older render. Not 100% sure, but that might be why.

I think this is an older render. Not 100% sure, but that might be why.

Renders are not always 100% accurate...They just give you an idea how this should look when it's done..

Renders are not always 100% accurate...They just give you an idea how this should look when it's done..
And that's another good reason!:lol:

I know it's not much, but here are pictures of 1WTC I took yesterday

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs487.ash2/76077_1696473742291_1551279407_31682412_7688304_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs605.ash2/155742_1695087907646_1551279407_31678913_4450226_n.jpg

Christmas lights on the office floors! :banana::banana:


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1107/38433485.png (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/38433485.png/)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7698/61766613.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/61766613.png/)

Looks like 1WTC will be the largest Christmas tree in New York this year. :)

Also, fuck the waviness. I can tell from these latest pictures that it will be phenomenal with or without distortion.

I hope this building has a little better fire-protection then the last one's!!!!

There's nothing wrong with the glass being wavy. That is an inherent phenomenon of all flat glass panes.

I recall that this argument began because someone said the London Bridge Tower's glass isn't wavy. I hate to break it to you, but it is wavy. This photo taken by Shardview77 posted in that building's thread proves it.

If that doesn't put an end to this ridiculous debate, then nothing will.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5241/5218085202_6e5a8ac84c_b.jpg

Standard issued with sun glasses by the Port Authority to enter the WTC area in the future, I suppose?

lol, yeah it's funny what the Verizon Building looks like with all the CW reflections.

http://www.say-cheese.nl/images/freedom_tower.jpg

:omg: Beautiful render :drool:

I know it's not much, but here are pictures of 1WTC I took yesterday

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs487.ash2/76077_1696473742291_1551279407_31682412_7688304_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs605.ash2/155742_1695087907646_1551279407_31678913_4450226_n.jpg

That first one is actually a nice shot. Look at how all the folks seem to be staring at the rising tower. It actually has the feel of some of those old shots from the 40's and 50's...

I hope this building has a little better fire-protection then the last one's!!!!

What a shit comment! Even for a first.:ohno:

November 24th, newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/5208200999_50f3e1bc2c_b.jpg

Amazing! it seems to be 10 floors or less before reaching surrounding American Express buildings, after that it will be easily visible from across the River

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Amazing! it seems to be 10 floors or less before reaching surrounding American Express buildings, after that it will be easily visible from across the River

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This behemoth surely going to break the skyline early next year.

I hope to see it getting up there when I visit NYC this time next year... Love this town:)

Great to see it rising fast. You New Yorkers sure can build them.

That first one is actually a nice shot. Look at how all the folks seem to be staring at the rising tower. It actually has the feel of some of those old shots from the 40's and 50's...


yeah, i think that those are great pics, and it doesn't matter if that pics are great shots or not, but you're watching how they're building something which is part of history.

Comma's can be used as valid decimal marks, we just happen to use the '.' here in the USA.
No: only a blank should be used to separe. Decimal separator could be "." or ","
Exemple: 1 234 567.890 12 or 1 234 567,890 12
only accountants use theses stupid dots or commas.


This bulding looks very great: will be the lighthouse of the world.

yeahhh ...my city... wonderfull

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5223547095_afd1094c74_b_d.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/

WOW!!!! Amazing!!!!!

I'll say it will take over 7WTC around my birthday at the end of January..:cheers:

I'll say it will take over 7WTC around my birthday at the end of January..:cheers:

It'll need to get to the 62nd floor (746ft 8in) to overtake 7. I don't see it happening by the end of January. The bad weather is slowing things down even right now.

They should complete the 54th floor before the end of the year. 58th or 60th by the end of January is possible. They should reach the 62nd floor sometime in February

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/

Great pic, it seems to be growing much faster now.

... The bad weather is slowing things down even right now.

Bear in mind though that because NY is on the ocean, it's not nearly as cold as the midwest and does not get remotely close to the same amount of snow. Therefore, the winter weather should not be a problem.

They started the 49/50th floors last tuesday and even though they had Thanksgiving holiday, they still haven't completed the outer steel columns yet. Usually by this time the blue netting is already raised. If the weather is calm for the next 7+ days, they can make up for the lost days. But if they keep adding up, you lose those days forever.

But they'll still come close to hitting their goal of the 55th floor by end of year. They might even hit it.

Foggy and depressing..
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/456/38184611.png (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/38184611.png/)

An hour later!
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7637/75836630.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/75836630.png/)

Rainy and in the mid-50s, just like it was in South Carolina and Atlanta yesterday.

It's colder here than in New York. Unless the storm of the century hits New York this winter, I don't want to be hearing about weather delays since it was close to 20 F warmer in New York on Thanksgiving morning compared to here.

They started the 49/50th floors last tuesday and even though they had Thanksgiving holiday, they still haven't completed the outer steel columns yet. Usually by this time the blue netting is already raised. If the weather is calm for the next 7+ days, they can make up for the lost days. But if they keep adding up, you lose those days forever.

But they'll still come close to hitting their goal of the 55th floor by end of year. They might even hit it.

I'm not sure if days lost to weather make that much difference. It seems like the core is a little further behind every month, and you can erect steel pretty fast. Does bad weather prevent them from pouring the core?

I'm not sure if days lost to weather make that much difference. It seems like the core is a little further behind every month, and you can erect steel pretty fast. Does bad weather prevent them from pouring the core?

I don't think so. I was under the impression the core was doing well ever since they ironed out the problems they had during the summer. What stinks is that 1WTC could be 2 or 4 floors higher right now.

November was freakishly warm. The ten day outlook shows normal December weather for NYC, highs in the 40's lows between 25 and 35.

On a project of this size and duration one has to expect 3 or 4 days lost every month due to weather.

I'm wondering if the concrete contractor just under estimated the time needed to build the core. Unless it's raining hard or a blizzard or something they should be able to to core work. I also don't think that actual pouring of the cement was ever a factor, it's the tons and tons of rebar and placing the forms around all the floor beams and all the Halfen channels and the block-outs for core wall openings and elevator separator beam pockets, etc..

anyone know why those 7 floors in 7wtc still havent sold??

Is the colder weather slowing it down at all???

November was freakishly warm. The ten day outlook shows normal December weather for NYC, highs in the 40's lows between 25 and 35.
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You never know with the weather..I Croatia we had sun and +20 °C at the end of November and now, 2nd December, we have 30cm (1 foot) of snow and this weekend should be -8 °C...

[QUOTE=greyskye;68188361]Is the colder weather slowing it down at all???

It's important that there's no rain or snow...

December 2nd, GreenwichBoy, WNY..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11520&d=1291298089

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Nice video :)

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Different coloured interior lights for the holidays?

Yes.

Speaking of lights, they put some more up :)

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Hmmm anybody know what`s that other construction you can see directly on the right of 7WTC in that pic??
( I don't mean 4WTC ;) )

^^ the new fitterman hall

Germantower you beat me 2 the answer...:)

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/fiterman_hall_39764.aspx