How recent are these pics?

^^ The ones with the concrete being poured ware made on June 15th between 10:00 and 11:00 AM. The ones with the core are more resent. Am I right Carlos :nuts:

How recent are these pics?

About a month to a month and a half old.

Nice updates ! The best i´ve ever seen. From ground zero itself.

wow great updates carlitos!

Just imagine this view in 5 years: Courtesy of Wired New York.

http://img39.picoodle.com/img/img39/9/8/11/f_wtc1m_b0d11d4.jpg
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/9/8/11/f_wtc2m_800b047.jpg
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/8/11/f_wtc3m_bec18d7.jpg
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/9/8/11/f_wtc4m_3498add.jpg

What buildings are these that are U/C in the photos?

^^ I don't think those pictures are meant to showcase any U/C buildings, but rather provide context in which to place your mental imagery of the completed World Trade Center.

YAY!! more concrete and SMALL bars!!:happy:

^^ I don't think those pictures are meant to showcase any U/C buildings, but rather provide context in which to place your mental imagery of the completed World Trade Center.

Exactly.....to give you a taste of what the completed WTC will be like in 2012....By the way the building U/C is the Goldman Sachs Tower.

^^Yes i understood that. My question was more of a side note ;) but thanks for the info :cheers1:

its comin along beautifully

^^Yes i understood that. My question was more of a side note ;) but thanks for the info :cheers1:

From left to right:
-101 Warren St.
-Goldman Sachs HQ
-Riverplace

Don't tell me what I can and cannot say. If every other post is 'Oh..so slow' and yadda yadda then it gets really old. That's like on the Burj thread where every post is 'Thanks for the updates.' It's silly and pointless. This building is moving at the speed of a skyscraper it's size.

Just don't call people who say this a dumbass or use any other name calling, b/c it will make you the attacker.

The tower looks to be coming along nicely.

I love New York! The best city in the world!:yes::hug:

^

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!



August 13, 2007

I took a stroll today at the construction site of the WTC...IT WAS CHUCK FULL OF ACTIVITY EVERYWHERE!!!



a purple steel structure has already begun to rise above street level east of the WTC 1 foundations......i did not take a pic of it, but will next time..



Soeery about the steel mesh screen covering the views from the bridge.....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture092-1.jpg


:yes:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture094-1.jpg



:cool:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture096-1.jpg



;)



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture097-1.jpg



:hi:


the "white" freedom tower steel column (half of it ) is already covered in concrete...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture099.jpg

^^ OMG!!!!!! YAY FREEDOM TOWER IS RISING!!!!!!!!!!!!:banana:

Thanks for the pic's! New York is really amazing city,the center of the World! :banana: :) :bowtie:

FINALLY!!!!
Now its a race between this and chi spire

Thanks for the pic's! New York is really amazing city,the center of the World! :banana: :) :bowtie:

No, I'll think you'll find the centre of the world is actually a VERY big ball of magma;)

FINALLY!!!!
Now its a race between this and chi spire

Chicago Spires will be taller than Freedom Tower anyway.

No, I'll think you'll find the centre of the world is actually a VERY big ball of magma;)

actually not, it's a huge solid steel ball. it's kept solid by the massif pressure in the middel of the earth :cheers:
Thanks for the pictures Carlos! Great to see the progress.

Center of the world is a ball of iron drowned by its own gravity (Fe56). No magma there... just iron hell under high pressure :)

Back to level ~6378 :)

many thx carlos, great to see a progress finally :)

WOw is nice to see progress, finally the Freedom Tower is rising.. :banana: thanx 4 the pics carlitos

Post #1776! Woo Hoo! God Bless America!:banana:
http://www.fmaa-usa.com/images/index_flagimage_05.jpg
Thanks for those pictures. I think it's awesome to see very Very noticable progress on 1WTC. Especially near the 1776 mark for posts in this thread. I'm looking forward to seeing this rising high into the sky.:cheers:

HEY THANKS GUYS!!!!

:hi:

today I really felt that SOMETHING was actually happening I was very excited to see the columns covered in concrete and lots of work all over....I actually felt a little melancholy..and proud!! to be New Yorker

:cheers:

notice the concrete columns beyond the tall steel columns

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture098.jpg

yay,finally some progress!:cheers: :cheers:

WOW!!! i havn't been paying attention to this project for about a week due to vacation but they've made a lot of progress!

It seems like there is more activity on the walkway and transit hub than on the FT.

Awesome, some progress.

I think Talb is right. That is exactly where that road will be located, not the tower, but progress is progress, and 1WTC will take shape while they finish the substructure. The complex is enough to impress the ruler of Dubai. Every detail is perfect. I think Roger's tower will be the most impressive. I just found out that the steel beams for the memorial have arrived.

Thanks Carlos! :cheers1:

I LOVE NY :colgate: I can't wait to get our skyline back!!!!!!!! When ever I cross the bridge, it just doesn't look the same downtown without supertalls. I don't care that it isn't the tallest anymore. Besides, a building as tall as Burg Dubai would look silly in Manhatten. The complex as a whole will be tall enough to make downtown look amazing from any angle again. I think the new WTC will have so much more design impact than the twin towers. NYC is and always will be, such a dynamic city!!!!!!!!! I recommend a visit for everyone.

a building that size is poifect for lower manhattan. it looks so empty right now and depressing.

that first picture on this thread is amazing.

I LOVE NY :colgate: I can't wait to get our skyline back!!!!!!!! When ever I cross the bridge, it just doesn't look the same downtown without supertalls. I don't care that it isn't the tallest anymore. Besides, a building as tall as Burg Dubai would look silly in Manhatten. The complex as a whole will be tall enough to make downtown look amazing from any angle again. I think the new WTC will have so much more design impact than the twin towers. NYC is and always will be, such a dynamic city!!!!!!!!! I recommend a visit for everyone.

They better should have rebuilt the twin-towers, mabe twice the height or whatever, but in any case TWIN-towers!!

They better should have rebuilt the twin-towers, mabe twice the height or whatever, but in any case TWIN-towers!!

I couldn't agree with u more. I would've definately wanted to see them build new twin-towers. Not the same design as the old ones were, but still a twin-tower buildings. It would've been suitable when considering the old ones were twin too. This new design isn't bad, but two of them would've been better. Now there's many different kinds of towers coming to that place, which is cool, but two very high towers would've been the best choice. Everyone remembers how the WTC-towers looked like, when they dominated the city.

Why don't they build it higher - say 1776 METRES!! That would beat the Burj.

there is too much opposition to build anything of that height. terrorism is a big threat in NY and they dont llike building to high because of it. but ya never kniow, there is a lot of speculation on the westside of towers topping out past chi spire??

Why don't they build it higher - say 1776 METRES!! That would beat the Burj.

:crazy:

I wonder if Trump still wants his 200-story building. This is the perfect time.

Why don't they build it higher - say 1776 METRES!! That would beat the Burj.

The height just isn't everything. A tower that high in the very heart of New York City would be the number one target of terrorists everywhere on Earth. And no one needs a tower that high, even tho it would be wonderful. How could u get anyone to live in the 300th floor after the 9/11 attack?

I wonder if Trump still wants his 200-story building. This is the perfect time.

Yeah, but he missed out on Columbus Circle. That would have been a great location for one.

the title is supposed to say 1776ft not 1775ft:bash:

Great! Finally some progress.

at least the tower cranes are actually moving now. Was tired
of seeing them in their locked position every day.

they are not moving ^^. the only progress is beside the site for the tower ;).

the tower cranes have moved some... i was browsing through the archived cam images yesterday and there was some movement

The height just isn't everything. A tower that high in the very heart of New York City would be the number one target of terrorists everywhere on Earth. And no one needs a tower that high, even tho it would be wonderful. How could u get anyone to live in the 300th floor after the 9/11 attack?

Me, but with sufficient anti aircraft missiles :lol:

yeah i could live up here too.........................if i knew that the top of the building was covered with anti-aircraft and anti-missle guns. :lol:

Are they building the tower on the old caissons?

the tower cranes have moved some... i was browsing through the archived cam images yesterday and there was some movement

They may have moved, but they are still at the same level since they were installed there.

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8477/view1ry6.jpg

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8477/view1ry6.jpg

I love the new 2WTC.

It seems like there is more activity on the walkway and transit hub than on the FT.

You can set a damn watch by TalB's thread craps in here.

^

true...there'es plenty going on at the WTC 1 site!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture099.jpg

i wish someone offered a cam from an angle similiar to that^^ ^^

You can set a damn watch by TalB's thread craps in here.

Unfortunately TalB is right. At the moment they're working on the walkway and the parkingdecks. However yesterday I saw something interresting. They've installed a piece of vertical formwork in one of the edges of the core. Hopefully it will stay there and will get some more friends (in terms of formwork, ofcourse :lol: )

Carlos from what angle or where on the site did you take that pic? It's like walking around a maze trying to get a decent angle they way fences, sheets and everything is blocked off.

Carlos from what angle or where on the site did you take that pic? It's like walking around a maze trying to get a decent angle they way fences, sheets and everything is blocked off.

^

You are correct!!!....most of the site is covered by that metal mesh screen....but I went to the bridge that connects to the WFC and found a clear opening!! :)

they are not moving ^^. the only progress is beside the site for the tower ;).


i didn't say vertical movement. just any movement.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/babosadas/LarrySilverstein2V.jpg

i didn't say vertical movement. just any movement.

but when not rising where should they move otherwise? do you think they're walking arround the construction site :rofl:.
the only moving they're doing is that they turn left or right, not more

but when not rising where should they move otherwise? do you think they're walking arround the construction site :rofl:.
the only moving they're doing is that they turn left or right, not more

are you retarded?

You can set a damn watch by TalB's thread craps in here.
Cut the personal attacks and insults now dwalden.

true...there'es plenty going on at the WTC 1 site!!!!
According to the webcam, that arrow is actually pointing away from the FT, not at it, plus that it is the pathway.

are you retarded?

Excuse me... When was the last time you saw a tower crane walk?

Excuse me... When was the last time you saw a tower crane walk?

i never said anything about walking tower cranes. you and zz top over there:no:

Cut the personal attacks and insults now dwalden.


That wasn't a personal attack. More a statement of fact. 99% of the people in here will agree with me.





Now watch.......
This is how you ADD something useful to the thread:

The WTC Construction Video Project


High Res Version:
640x480 (http://www.warclan.net/Downloads/Freedom_Tower.wmv)


Updated through 8/13

Finally something real going on !!!
This complex will look amazing

Anybody see the movie "Click"? I'm always enraged when people suggest twin FTs, but they looked pretty cool in that movie.

I really like that tower!!!

Anybody see the movie "Click"? I'm always enraged when people suggest twin FTs, but they looked pretty cool in that movie.

I hunted down someone with the movie and watched just to see them in it, and I actually didn't like the way it looked. I used to think It would be cool, but it just made it seem like those towers were...well, placeholders (idk any other way to describe it). I'll stick with one FT and all the others.:nuts:

That wasn't a personal attack. More a statement of fact. 99% of the people in here will agree with me.


:lol:

Anyway..from SSP:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1128/1125997218_9cb5c7b9f0_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1213/1125156065_480f33701d_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1125156441_a8d93596df_b.jpg

And this was made by Millios from SSP:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2528/gzle5.jpg

I love it when people from SSC argue for half a page over stupid things like if cranes can walk around.

That's why I like SSP better.

I love it when people from SSC argue for half a page over stupid things like if cranes can walk around.

That's why I like SSP better.

Actually humour is better than dead humour, cranes walking around is pretty good. :lol:

You and me both. Only reason I come here is because SSC is more international that SSP. But SSC is about as dumb as a box of rocks.

yeah, the int'l vibe on ssc is so tangible, when i'm on it, i actually feel like i'm in dubai. it's incredible.

:runaway:

Why don't we all just bitch about the site some more? Cry me a river. If you don't like the site then don't post here. And if you can't take an argument then you shouldn't be here.

Anyways, the WTC site is looking good so far.

its really good to see this progressing. it seems like we have been waiting for a long time since they put those columns in at the ceremony. but as with most projects some progress isnt always visible to beging with :)

go new york!

We seem to forget that the original World Trade Center took two and a half years to come out of the ground, and almost four years for both towers to top out,

and to address the "walking cranes" question, still working on it, however we do have cranes that "crawl".

Thanks for posting the site diagram. That clears everything up for me. Correct me if I'm wrong but is the building in the centre below grade with covered paths coming out the subway/PATH station?

Maybe this is a risky question, but has everything been worked out at this point as to why the third building collapsed on 9/11?

We seem to forget that the original World Trade Center took two and a half years to come out of the ground, and almost four years for both towers to top out,

and to address the "walking cranes" question, still working on it, however we do have cranes that "crawl".


the oroginal WTC complex took years to complete...the desing was done by 1964.....but because of legal delays they started working in 1969 and topped the first tower in 1973!

You and me both. Only reason I come here is because SSC is more international that SSP. But SSC is about as dumb as a box of rocks.

If you don't like SSC why bother to be here just for international? Try SSA.

I like this tower, it is modern and elegant ... but in my heart I wish it would be a little taller. I understand the symbolism of 1776 (I live in Philadelphia fer goshsakes!) ... why not make it 2001 feet tall, thereby surpassing the Chicago Spire and memorializing the year the original WTC was attacked?

I am naive and not very educated when it comes to buildings and construction, but I do know that when the Empire State Building was under construction, the height was kept secret. Is there any remote chance this building might be higher than announced? Or am I stuck with a pipe-dream???

i've wondered (dreamed) about that myself. every one says its taking forever to actually rise so i wondered if it was taking so long because they are making it super strong to support more wieght than we know about.

i doubt it tho.

If you don't like SSC why bother to be here just for international? Try SSA.

SSP for American stuff.

SSC for international stuff.

:lol:

Anyway..from SSP:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1128/1125997218_9cb5c7b9f0_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1213/1125156065_480f33701d_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1125156441_a8d93596df_b.jpg

And this was made by Millios from SSP:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2528/gzle5.jpg

very nice...i can finally see all the footprints of old and new...love it man

lmao thanks for quoting the pics o_O

nice updates^^

Why is this building taking so long to build?

^^ Read previous posts. The answers are right there.

I'm sorry, but I can't find it.

me either so can you tell us,crazyaboutcities?

Then go somewhere else

Why is this building taking so long to build?

Remember, not only is this a massive and very complex construction site, the circumstances surrounding it are unique.

Then go somewhere else

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

^^ You have a horrible sense of humour

I love it when people from SSC argue for half a page over stupid things like if cranes can walk around.

That's why I like SSP better.

i like ssp cause it's more in depth with projects, and it covers a lot more of them. at least for NYC anyways. but i'm not registered there cause the site doesn't accept gmail??? :lol: and i dont want to be bothered to figure out my isp internet pass

The construction of this tower is so slow.
I will see nothing when i go to New York in September 2008

The construction of this tower is so slow.
I will see nothing when i go to New York in September 2008

What a pessimist. I'm sure in a year there will be plenty to see.

The construction of this tower is so slow.
I will see nothing when i go to New York in September 2008

Don't come.

The construction of this tower is so slow.
I will see nothing when i go to New York in September 2008

You will see construction going on. Besides, if you come to New York you will see the newly completed New York Times tower and the nearing completion of the Bank of America building ... both super-talls.

Tom, you plan your trips very far in advance, don't you?

I see you like to travel. It's my hobby, too. Do you focus mainly on cities or do you also visit other places like national parks, natural areas, small towns, remote places too?m))

Don't come.

That's right :lol:

Current work being done...

*The following information was last updated on August 15, 2007.

Current activities for construction of the Freedom Tower include

* Installation of tower-foundation steel columns (two cranes on site)
* Pouring of concrete for the foundation and rebar installation

What a pessimist. I'm sure in a year there will be plenty to see.

I have seen the US7 in April 2004. One year later the building has gone slightly over the street level. I think the same will happen with the Freedom Tower. I expect the worst and hope for the best. ;)

BrooklynNYC: There is more to see than one construction site in New York, don`t you think so, too? ;)

phillybud: I plan my trips very far in the future. I planned 3.5 years ago that i will go in September 2007 again to Tokyo. Now i have booked my trip. :)

I always stay in a very big city and but i also go outside to see the rural areas and interesting natural scenery.

Mr. Tom Green: To me the way you advertise your trips is attention-seeking and obnoxious. You are like the Lindsay Lohan of world travel. Don't come to New York if you complain, you'll probably just complain about the spires on BOA and NYT.

August 18, 2007

OMG this site must be cursed!!

a fire broke out today at the Deutsche Bank...:( :( :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture137-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture136-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture134-2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture143-2.jpg

And it goes for disassembling so. :ohno:

The fire's blocks away from 1WTC and will not delay construction of towers 1-4.

The construction of this tower is so slow.
I will see nothing when i go to New York in September 2008

By September 2008, you'll see core concrete and steel framing at least 1/3 the way up from ground level, i'll bet 40 storys of core and at least 30 storys of steel framing, and thats being conservative on my part, once this tower gets to street level, its going to rise fast i'll bet on that.!!

The underground portion of this tower is special becouse it has to be built around PATH tracks, so the columns are not straight forward, there will be outrigger trusses, and load transfer trusses, and irregular column lines, (if you read blueprints you'll know what i mean,) and i'll bet most of it will be in reinforced concrete, and that takes extra time, but they know where its all going, it just takes time to put it in.

Mr. Tom Green: To me the way you advertise your trips is attention-seeking and obnoxious. You are like the Lindsay Lohan of world travel. Don't come to New York if you complain, you'll probably just complain about the spires on BOA and NYT.

I just don`t travel there. After my trip i upload around 500 pics that i have taken during my trip. Selecting the pics, resizing, photoshopping, uploading and posting the pics on SSC costs me around 40hours of unpaid work.

All in all i have uploaded around 2500pics for free for you and the other forumers on SSC so far.
Noone pays me for that, you know, so stop to critize me.

Tom i for one enjoy your pics. I am certain you will be blown away by NYC when you do come. It is the center of the universe and is visually stunning and culturally amazing.

phillybud: I plan my trips very far in the future. I planned 3.5 years ago that i will go in September 2007 again to Tokyo. Now i have booked my trip. :)

I always stay in a very big city and but i also go outside to see the rural areas and interesting natural scenery.

I usually plan my trips anywhere from 2 months to 6 months in advance, but once in a while I go on the spur of the moment ... like the time my best friend and I flew to Amsterdam for a 1 week trip about a week in advance!

In many countries the best things to see are outside the main city, for example in Jordan visiting the historic city of Petra beats Amman or Aqaba any day; the same goes for Myanmar - the big city - Yangon - is awful, but side trips to Bagan, Mandalay and Inle Lake were wonderful. Even if you are into architecture as I am, it is rewarding to get out of the big city ... another example - Cuzco, Peru to see Macchu Picchu (Lost City of the Incas), or to Agra to see the Taj Mahal. :okay:

i'm sure the bank would have been better burning to the ground ~_~ ....a lot faster anyways

^

:(

two firefigthers lost their lives!!!! in this deutsche building fire!!!

^

:(

two firefigthers lost their lives!!!! in this deutsche building fire!!!

A german building?

Deutsche Bank building near Ground 0, on fire this morning. Had to be demolished after 09/11.

The fire's blocks away from 1WTC and will not delay construction of towers 1-4.

but still bad news

By September 2008, you'll see core concrete and steel framing at least 1/3 the way up from ground level, i'll bet 40 storys of core and at least 30 storys of steel framing, and thats being conservative on my part, once this tower gets to street level, its going to rise fast i'll bet on that.!!

The underground portion of this tower is special becouse it has to be built around PATH tracks, so the columns are not straight forward, there will be outrigger trusses, and load transfer trusses, and irregular column lines, (if you read blueprints you'll know what i mean,) and i'll bet most of it will be in reinforced concrete, and that takes extra time, but they know where its all going, it just takes time to put it in.

I doubt they know what they are doing. If they knew what they where doing they would be half way done by now.

I doubt they know what they are doing. If they knew what they where doing they would be half way done by now.
I doubt you know nothing of this project. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be making that statement.

From top of the Rock

rdbGuobFjM8

and what about paris than ...

:)

http://www.newyorkology.com/archives/images/dbfire.doldman-thumb.jpg

how sad how this site had become a side freak show!!!!!burning tower, dying men...and these fools posing for a snapshot!!!

I doubt they know what they are doing. If they knew what they where doing they would be half way done by now.

They just started 18 months ago! If you can't deal with a 1776' tower's foundation being constructed, then get in a coma for 1 year and come back when it's 40 stories tall.

and what about paris than ...

:)

The very first time I visited Paris was when I was 16 and with my mother. I've been back several times during the 1980's and '90's, but the last time was either '97 or '98 ... so it's nearly a decade since I was last in Paris.

To me, Paris is exceptional, unique. I would argue it is the most beautiful city in the world. It is a very feminine city (unlike London - to me, a very masculine city) in the ornate architecture, tree lined boulevards, formal parks and gardens. I feel one must walk slowly through Paris and take in all the details: the wrought iron balconies, the fountains, the statues, the Metro station entrances, the bridges, the street lamps, the little shops and galleries. I love the Left Bank (Rive Gauche) and the area around St. Germain is my favorite neighborhood. Needless to say, I love Paris.:okay:

actually, going offtopic but London is very much a feminine city but the fact that she's been rustled up and blitzed by the wars alongsie a chaotic 60/70s planning system. I agree Paris is very much a feminine city and a beautiful one too, London is her mother!

Anyway another freak fire, that's got to be three within the last month.

That damn ugly eye sore should of been demolished/exploded
Weeks after 9/11 instead of dismantling it screw by screw.
Two fire fighters lost their lives for fear that knocking
Down the bank in a few minutes might bring awful memories
Back to local residents. To the residents take a long weekend
Off, blow that stupid building up and stop this method of
Madness.
To Our bravest...REST IN PEACE.


http://images.craigslist.org/01010301020901030120070819013e8da7946138e64200a203.jpg

To Firefighter Joseph Graffagnino and Robert Bedia – Please Rest in Pease

[COLOR="Purple"]That damn ugly eye sore should of been demolished/exploded
Weeks after 9/11 instead of dismantling it screw by screw.

I've a really rational anwswer for that, but maybe it could not be acceptable for you, or other members.

That damn ugly eye sore should of been demolished/exploded
Weeks after 9/11 instead of dismantling it screw by screw.
Two fire fighters lost their lives for fear that knocking
Down the bank in a few minutes might bring awful memories
Back to local residents. To the residents take a long weekend
Off, blow that stupid building up and stop this method of
Madness.
To Our bravest...REST IN PEACE.


http://images.craigslist.org/01010301020901030120070819013e8da7946138e64200a203.jpg

To Firefighter Joseph Graffagnino and Robert Bedia – Please Rest in Pease

They couldn't explode it...it is highly contaminated and contains asbestos.

I agree with you, they should've made a decision to take it down long before 6 years later, it's all about the MON-AAAY of course and if the insurers were gonna cover the demolition costs or not. The insurers actually wanted to repair the building because it was cheaper!

This shouldn't delay construction at all.

First Shanghai, then this. What's with the fires?

i'm still glad that it wasn't the freedom tower.

havent read back into the thread but why did the height go from 1776 to 1775?

It was rounded down to go with 541m. The actual height is still 1776ft though.

First Shanghai, then this. What's with the fires?

It just shows that welding or cutting of steel in the presence of combustable materials is not a good idea.

It just shows that welding or cutting of steel in the presence of combustable materials is not a good idea.

:lol:

http://www.newyorkology.com/archives/images/dbfire.doldman-thumb.jpg

how sad how this site had become a side freak show!!!!!burning tower, dying men...and these fools posing for a snapshot!!!

Stupid tourists on that picture! :ohno:

Oh please. What are they meant to do? Run around screaming and creating mass panic over something they have no control over?

Oh please. What are they meant to do? Run around screaming and creating mass panic over something they have no control over?

exactly

havent read back into the thread but why did the height go from 1776 to 1775?

I hope not!!

Still, the fact that the "Ground Zero" site has become a tourist trap is despicable to me. I mean, walk down Chambers and you'll find 20 vendors selling cheap light-up photos of the WTC.

^
How about show some RESPECT???

nice pic

do you honestly want wtc to be for grieving and mourning???? now you're sounding like one of those families who want it to be a big graveyard. what's happened has already happened............6 years ago. stop hanging on to the past. there will be a memorial and you can do all your pouting there.

:gaah:

I for one say no, only because i don't like the look of the freedom tower. I mean i love New York, when i went last year it was the best vacation i ever took. I think the thing is at the moment it doesn't match a lot of its surroundings, especially with a lot of the High rises in New York being older concrete ones.

^
How about show some RESPECT???

How am I not showing respect? The vendors profiting from 9/11 are the ones with no respect, not me.

How am I not showing respect? The vendors profiting from 9/11 are the ones with no respect, not me.

The comment was meant for the post above you ...not you... :lol:

Ha, my bad.

I believe the NYPD should be allowed to shoot those vendors on sight. And i also believe if your wearing a turban at the airport your gonna have the special search, like britan does.

do you honestly want wtc to be for grieving and mourning???? now you're sounding like one of those families who want it to be a big graveyard. what's happened has already happened............6 years ago. stop hanging on to the past. there will be a memorial and you can do all your pouting there.

Wow...could you be more of an a-hole...that should be an area of respect.

Wow...could you be more of an a-hole...that should be an area of respect.

No I agree with philvia, the WTC is a center for BUSINESS and TRADE. It's sad what happened there but you can't mourn forever. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. I did wish for the original towers to be rebuilt but just because some terrorists(conspiracy theorists say who really knows...our U.S. Government?) fucked the place up doesn't mean we shouldn't build it back up.

No I agree with philvia, the WTC is a center for BUSINESS and TRADE. It's sad what happened there but you can't mourn forever. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. I did wish for the original towers to be rebuilt but just because some terrorists(conspiracy theorists say who really knows...our U.S. Government?) fucked the place up doesn't mean we shouldn't build it back up.

I agree with you 100%. You should build something there to show the world that we are stronger and better than before, but having people sell crap next to the site in reference to the towers is disrespectful.

updates:gaah:

Did they rebuilt the Tower of Babel? Building the WTC exactly as it was would be like neglecting that anything wrong ever happened. Hey, 3,000 people were killed, but lets just remake the tower to exactly how it was. No, that is wrong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/wtc__past__future__halted_agai.htm
WTC, PAST & FUTURE: HALTED AGAIN?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222007/photos/oped031.jpg
Fatal: The Deutsche Bank building burns last weekend.

August 22, 2007 -- NEW Yorkers who care passionately about the future of the World Trade Center site - those who understand that Downtown's fate still depends on that, despite the area's current boom - can only pray for a swift resumption of work at 130 Liberty St., where two firefighters lost their lives last weekend.

More of Ground Zero's rebirth than first seems apparent depends on the complete demolition of the old Deutsche Bank tower. Common sense, however, suggests that it might be a long time - not just a few days or even weeks - before the takedown of the tragic, contaminated hulk can resume.

If the delay drags on, there's no telling how badly it might derail the reclamation of a site that has taken six years to gain traction.

The importance of the Liberty Street demolition was explained in detail by The New York Times' David W. Dunlap last winter. For starters, the site must be cleared before the LMDC can turn it over to the Port Authority, which will then hand it over to JP Morgan Chase to start work on its planned new headquarters tower there.

The PA technically has until mid-2009 to turn the land over to the bank - but that's based on an option to extend a more desirable deadline of mid-2008. Who can say how JP Morgan's confidence in the deal might be jarred by a year's delay?

The Deutsche site, as Dunlap explained, is also intricately linked to conditions on the north side of Liberty Street in Ground Zero itself. In a nutshell, the PA can't fulfill its commitment to construct new underground infrastructure there without first having access to the earth beneath 130 Liberty St., because the two sites are connected by sewer pipes.

Without being able to dig under 130 Liberty St. and moving the pipes, the PA can't create a new "bathtub" along Ground Zero's south side. Without the bathtub, it can't build an underground vehicle security center there.

And without the vehicular facility, Dunlap pointed out, it can't provide the truck access Larry Silverstein will need to complete the interiors of Towers 3 and 4 - the first two of three office buildings he is to develop in Ground Zero, and on which he is to start work immediately after Jan. 1.

In fact, a downtown rebuilding official ominously told me yesterday, "Not having the vehicle security center will negatively affect everything - not just Silverstein's buildings, but also the Freedom Tower, the Memorial and the new PATH terminal."

PA officials say the delay at 130 Liberty St. won't affect its construction of a new east bathtub wall, which it's obliged to finish by Dec. 31; assuming they're right, Silverstein can at least start on Towers 3 and 4 on time.

But - and here's the scary part - the PA must also finish the south bathtub by the fourth quarter of 2010, according to agency spokesman John McCarthy. A prolonged delay in completing the removal of 130 Liberty St. - which seems highly likely, given the time it will surely take to learn what went wrong and to implement new safety procedures - can easily push the south bathtub job back.

That looming possibility can throw monkey wrenches into the whole process.

Both the PA and Silverstein are contractually bound to meet various deadlines, and must pay heavy fines if they fail to meet them. But what if circumstances make meeting those deadlines impossible?

Why, for example, should the PA be penalized for not completing the south bathtub on time if it's physically impossible to do that because 130 Liberty St. hasn't been fully cleared yet?

Why should Silverstein start construction on a giant tower without assurance that he'll be able to finish it?

A well-informed downtown source says Silverstein could, in theory, complete Towers 3 and 4 by letting trucks in through Church Street. But that limited access would be insufficient to allow tenants to build out their new floors or move in.

Why should tenants sign leases when they can't be sure when they can claim their space?

These questions, assuming a worst-case chain of events, might sound paranoid. But Ground Zero's tortured history makes paranoia justified. Let us hope all parties find a way not to let 130 Liberty St. become any more permanent than it already seems.

scuozzo@nypost.com

130 Liberty has nothing at all to do with construction of the Freedom Tower. In any case, no matter what, the groundbreaking for towers 3 and 4 WILL take place within 4 months. If you think they're not going to start building once that timer in 7WTC reaches 0, you have problems.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/1205323373_246ff0062f_o.jpg

We can all see the site whenever we want. Are we supposed to be seeing something interesting in that image?

^There are forms going up around the leftmost tower crane. It might be the start of the FT's core.

The foundation differs very much from those seen on other sites. No piles visible, no foundation raft. Those cranes look like they have been set up on a parking lot. Cant wait to see some concrete emerging towards sky. Its just taking too long I think.

DID I MISS SOMETHING?
WHY IS THREAD SHOWING 1775 FEET

yah you did. It's just the rounding due to the tower being 541m, it will be 1776 so do not worry ;)

The foundation differs very much from those seen on other sites. No piles visible, no foundation raft. Those cranes look like they have been set up on a parking lot. Cant wait to see some concrete emerging towards sky. Its just taking too long I think.

Well, they use the piles off the old WTC that have been driven in back in the old days...

And they build on old concrete that was intact from the 9/11 drama. So it almost doesnt need any new piles to driven in.

About the raft: They are assembeling them in the comming months (correct me iff i am wrong)

By the end off the year, this thing could start to rise above street level.

Cheers SSC brother!! :cheers1:

As that picture shows it seems formwork is up to pour concrete and make the core rise. For those wondering about the piles, there is no need for any, the cranes are sitting ontop of concrete that is already poured onto the bedrock (which is exposed).

werent 4 cranes going to be erected on the core?? why there are only 2?

A bird told me that more tower cranes will come in November.

As that picture shows it seems formwork is up to pour concrete and make the core rise. For those wondering about the piles, there is not need for any, the cranes are sitting ontop concrete that is already poured onto the bedrock (which is exposed).

Also, the bedrock was blasted to provide a "notch" or "socket" for the downward thrust of the tower, in an article i read, it said they needed to blast down to bedrock that could handle around 20'000 PSI, or around 12' below the surface bedrock, then the concrete is poured into the sockets, along with the rebar, wherever steel columns are located, a small stack of "I" beams, two or three rows high, provides a base to spread the load of the column to the bedrock, and is also encased in concrete.

it's a matter of one foot <_<

It's a matter of symbolism; as Libeskind himself said, no one, no where, no matter what, can surpass the height of Freedom Tower. It's going to be the most iconic structure on the planet, and with 200 Greenwich and the others next to it, hell, you can't get any better.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4227/bn34tl7.jpg

A bird told me that more tower cranes will come in November.

don't think so, but we'll see :)

btw...today i saw some progress on the left tower-crane. can anyone confirm that?

that render is incredible, Ebola!!!

August 21st:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1280/1214433481_c94d6dbed4_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1239/1215294730_a81a5a0ed6_o.jpg

btw...isn't that formwork arround the crane?

i love these near ground level pictures! gives a much better perspective on whats going on down there.

130 Liberty has nothing at all to do with construction of the Freedom Tower. In any case, no matter what, the groundbreaking for towers 3 and 4 WILL take place within 4 months. If you think they're not going to start building once that timer in 7WTC reaches 0, you have problems.

Send a letter to the editor or just an email to the person who wrote this if you do not agree with it.

It's a matter of symbolism; as Libeskind himself said, no one, no where, no matter what, can surpass the height of Freedom Tower. It's going to be the most iconic structure on the planet, and with 200 Greenwich and the others next to it, hell, you can't get any better.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4227/bn34tl7.jpg

WTC 3 is definately my favourite. It has a NY/Gotham look but is very modern at the same time. Perfect for the site. Rogers is a god of architecture, he very rarely slips up on his designs.

Regarding the symbolism thing though, I expect it will have alot more meaning in America than the rest of the world, but it is a nice touch to show that the terrorists haven't won.

Yeah Tower 3 is by far the best to me because I love buildings that show of their structure.

^^ I agree. Funny that from this view, WTC 2 looks the smallest of the lot.

But from the other side, it would look like the tallest.

OMG THE HORROR CONTINUES :(

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=72898


August 23, 2007

At least two firefighters were injured this afternoon when construction equipment being used at the Deutsche Bank building fell to the ground, hours after crews began doing remedial work on the building following Saturday’s deadly fire.

The Empire State Development Corporation said that around 2:15 p.m. a pallet jack fell from the 23rd floor of the building and struck a temporary shed. The two firefighters were injured as they were walking in the safety perimeter around the building.

All work on the site has been halted and all workers have been removed from the site.

Sources tell NY1 that the construction equipment likely fell from an outside elevator or hoist that was carrying it up the north side of the building.

The firefighters were taken to Saint Vincent's Medical Center – one with head injuries. The other is said to have sustained minor injuries. They are both said to be in stable condition.

Preliminary reports indicated that several construction workers were also injured, but that information has not been confirmed.

Demolition work at the WTC site skyscraper was suspended after the tragic fire that killed firefighters Robert Beddia and Joseph Graffagnino on Saturday, but remedial work began this morning on the south side of the building between the 20th and 26th floors to remove debris and contain toxic material inside the building to make the site safe.

Residents in the area have long complained about the safety of the site.

"The building probably should have come down at least three years ago, but because of money and insurance it has remained,” said neighborhood resident Andy Jurinko. “I live probably 75 feet from the Deutsche bank. I go in and out of the entrance way every day, walking past the Deutsche Bank… It has been treacherous. It's been a disastrous area for the last six years."

Earlier today, residents who live near the building were advised to keep their windows closed while the remedial work was being performed.

A spokesman for the ESDC said crews began work this morning to make the site safe.

E-mails and calls were put out to residents advising them to close their windows in case of flying debris. The ESDC says people should not be concerned about air quality.

Before any work could begin, crews had to receive clearance from the Fire Department and the Department of Buildings because a stop-work order is still in effect, meaning demolition cannot take place. Before today’s incident, remedial work was expected to go on for several days.

Nearby residents say they've become accustomed to these types of problems living in the area.

"It's just a little inconvenience,” said one resident. “We can't drive through the neighborhood, and we’ve got to go through the checkpoints. But other than that, there's really no problems at all.”

“It's not too bad. I have to come in the back door, which isn't too difficult,” added another. “The only annoying thing is there's no access to the front. But other than that, it's not too bad."

The investigation into what caused Saturday's blaze continues. FDNY records show that the last time a comprehensive inspection was done on the failed standpipe system was back in March of 2005. According to department regulations, standpipes in buildings being demolished are to be inspected every 15 days.

The city has also admitted that it did not have a plan to fight a fire in the building, even though one is required to stay up to code.

The sub-contractor in charge of demolition has been fired. The John Galt Company was declared in default of its contract by the site's contractor.

The city says the building had a history of violations from the Department of Buildings, including several fines this year for failure to properly remove combustible material and debris.

The Manhattan district attorney's office and the state attorney general are both investigating the fire.

They just don't learn do they!! That thing is a bloody death trap! Who ever the insurance company is they should be made to take all responsibility for these deaths. Its their fault this has happened because they have messed about for 3 years. They should have put the funds in to bring it down straight away. That thing would be gone and those 2 fire-fighters wouldn't be sitting in a box. :rant:

Yes that is formwork going up around the cranes. If you look at the webcam you can see it very clearly. Also it seems from that picture that they have finished leveling off the ground maybe reading to pour the concrete floor of the building. I am sure with the corew about to rise in the next week or so that won't be too far behind.

It's a matter of symbolism; as Libeskind himself said, no one, no where, no matter what, can surpass the height of Freedom Tower. It's going to be the most iconic structure on the planet, and with 200 Greenwich and the others next to it, hell, you can't get any better.


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4227/bn34tl7.jpg


1 WTC is going to be very similar to the Glass Tower at Madrid

Photo by CTBA in Urbanity (http://www.urbanity.es/foro/showthread.php?t=2581&page=9):

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb283/CTBA/DSC_0194-1.jpg

^

WOW A DEAD RINGER!!!!

Man those renderings are amazing!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb283/CTBA/DSC_0194-1.jpg

:ohno: That's just so sad.

:ohno: That's just so sad.

:lol:

1 WTC is going to be very similar to the Glass Tower at Madrid

Photo by CTBA in Urbanity (http://www.urbanity.es/foro/showthread.php?t=2581&page=9):

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb283/CTBA/DSC_0194-1.jpg

Hmmm who designed it first?

Hmmm who designed it first?

I'm sure the Madrid people did...the current WTC1 design is only two years old. It's pretty tough to go from drawing board to topped out in two years.

I'm sure the Madrid people did...the current WTC1 design is only two years old. It's pretty tough to go from drawing board to topped out in two years.

Do you think the architect who designed Freedom Tower stole the design from Madrid?

^^ I'm sure they were developed independently. Here's a newsflash: there are tons and tons of buildings around the world, and some are going to look like others. That doesn't mean that one stole from the other. The WTC1 design isn't so outlandish that no one else could think it up.

^^ Awww that sucks! :( I rather to see every design of new skyscraper around the world to be creative not look too similiar. Oh well...

At least the Freedom Tower will be taller than the Torre Espacio ;)

From the start, I never thought the current FT was ever an original.

Why does it matter how original it is? How original were the original Twin Towers? They were 2 huge boxes...

Why does it matter how original it is? How original were the original Twin Towers? They were 2 huge boxes...

lol good point.

Why does it matter how original it is? How original were the original Twin Towers? They were 2 huge boxes...

I think they were original. No other place had twin towers so big. I miss those towers. :(

The original WTC was sort of idiosyncratic, like a monument to themselves. In that respect I do think they were original.

this is much slower than the index:ohno: :ohno:

prior to the original WTC...where else did you see two 110 story towers??????
http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/towers__9-9-01.jpg

The original WTC was sort of idiosyncratic, like a monument to themselves. In that respect I do think they were original.

i agree totally

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=231038

Torre De Cristal , 249m , main architects were "Cesar Pelli & Associates".

Freedom Tower , 541m , main architects were David Childs (Skidmore, Owings and Merill) and Liebeskind to begin with.

Hope this clears it up for whoever was asking if they were designed by the same architect... :)


The new Madrid cluster might be similar in the fact that they are both similarly clustered but you have to say that the height is a big difference and I personally believe that the WTC will be of a better quality...The design for WTC1 and Torre de Cristal is similar , but they are both results of our modernist era...They are both great (simple , soaring and elegant) and I don't think there is any reason to complain about them being similar...

Honestly, who cares? They are not even on the same continent.

has anyone seen the movie "Click"? i just watched it last night for the millionth time. in the very beginning of the scene where his son gets married in the future, you can see twin towers that look like the Freedom Tower. i don't know if that is any reference to what it will look like in the future, but i thought that was great. you guys should check it out and put it in slow motion for that scene.

I think that the Freedom Tower complements the skyline perfectly. It's futuristic but not so much that it makes the other buildings look obsolete like the original design did. This building is more symbolic than it is cutting edge (although it's that too). New York continues to be the greatest city in the world and all of the new record-breaking buildings in Dubai wont ever change that. Kudos!

^^ Dont compare Dubai with NY... Its like comparing an Apple with a Banana...

Iff you do... Then there is no more hope for you

mmmmm.... Your making me hungry!

Beer Beer!! :cheers: :cheers1: :cheers: Beer Beer!!

Thirsty too? :lol:

Naah yust dont compare Dubai with NY. Because with that simple but wrong comparison you just destroy both there grandure.

I wasn't meaning to demean Dubai in any way. I think that it's phenomenal how fast it is rising and I loooove the buildings there! Cheers!:cheers:

i'm kinda pissed at dubai. it's breaking all the records that have been around for so long. Such as the tallest building. The main reason i don't like it is b/c i live in Marina Del Rey, CA. MDR has the largest man-made small boat harbor in the world, but when the Dubai harbor is built, that will be the largest. It's nice holding a world record in your home town, but now Dubai will hold almost every record. :(

It's a matter of symbolism; as Libeskind himself said, no one, no where, no matter what, can surpass the height of Freedom Tower.


huh? The height?

it wont even be the highest in America

i believe libeskind said that in a time when the CS not has been released ^^

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/9/8/25/f_1600m_66f0259.jpg

the formwork is clearly to see on both cranes now

the formwork is clearly to see on both cranes now

So will they pour concrete over the framework?

will it only be a matter of weeks before it begins to officially rise out of the ground, and how many more cranes will be installed?

not sure what they'll pour but it is definitely a good sign.
i really hope it will rise after that

we need some more ground level pics from carlos ;)

do i see work on the memorial?

^

I will go there next week!! :hi:

we will waiting for those pix ;)

^

I will go there next week!! :hi:

fantastic :), i can't wait to see them :)

it is taking ages, but I think that sensation is due to the fact that I desire this building so much, that even though they buildid a floor a day, it still wouldnt have been fast enuff... I just hope nothing else goes wrong in the building area like the fire of the other day!

i'm kinda pissed at dubai. it's breaking all the records that have been around for so long. Such as the tallest building. The main reason i don't like it is b/c i live in Marina Del Rey, CA. MDR has the largest man-made small boat harbor in the world, but when the Dubai harbor is built, that will be the largest. It's nice holding a world record in your home town, but now Dubai will hold almost every record. :(

:) I have been to Dubai. Twice. Believe me, I would much rather live in Marina Del Rey, California than Dubai. Some very fine buildings going up in Dubai, no question about it. But the climate? The terrain? California is so much more beautiful, the weather so much more pleasant, and the people enjoy so much more freedom and liberty (Dubai is hostile to many differant groups - Jews, Buddhists, gay people, etc):yes: :kiss: :okay: :hug: :grouphug: :goodbye:

lol at look at the high def cam this morning... looks like a bird hit it and broke the lense :) ..actually idk it's just weird/messed up looking.

Well the webcam is back up and running and at this momment it is very hard to discern what is going on but one thing is very apparent and that is that the worksite is really cluttered with formwork.

Anyway, the Freedom Tower will be very beautiful in it's elegant simplicity.

All of the renderings show the building rather close up. My favorite view of the WTC was either a mile or two north - say at the corner of Sixth Ave. and Christopher Street in the Village. Or from the middle of New York Harbor, with the lower Manhattan skyline on view. Has anyone drawn any renderings of the New Freedom and the other WTC buildings in these contexts???

sorry if this has been asked before but did anybody involved with the project say why they're not building twin towers?

Because I think that the single tower is not very flattering, it's nothing special. And with the name Freedom Tower it should be.

I think with that design it would of bin awesome if there was 2 like that, it would just look like updated Twin Towers showing respect to the original WTC. It would be a tribute to the old towers showing how america rebuilds better than ever.

To me it feels like having 1 is almost like THEY won, instead of 2 there is only 1 now.

Again sorry if its been asked, I'm kind of new to this forum (And I'm not Canadian btw I've lived in America much longer than I've been in Toronto)

sorry if this has been asked before but did anybody involved with the project say why they're not building twin towers?

Because I think that the single tower is not very flattering, it's nothing special. And with the name Freedom Tower it should be.

I think with that design it would of bin awesome if there was 2 like that, it would just look like updated Twin Towers showing respect to the original WTC. It would be a tribute to the old towers showing how america rebuilds better than ever.

To me it feels like having 1 is almost like THEY won, instead of 2 there is only 1 now.

Again sorry if its been asked, I'm kind of new to this forum (And I'm not Canadian btw I've lived in America much longer than I've been in Toronto)

do you know of wtc2, 3, and 4 yet?

do you know of wtc2, 3, and 4 yet?nor of the ongoing laborious tired arguments over the last few years on the chosen designs?

Looking forward to your pics Carlitos ;)

What are they putting togeather to the left of the two tower cranes? I've been noticing a lot of work in that area over the last few weeks.

do you know of wtc2, 3, and 4 yet?

yes, but those are going to be much smaller than the freedom tower are they not?

It would of been really cool if they made twin towers to represent what was there before imo


BTW I change my mind, the tower is nice. I was just hoping for more i guess.

yes, but those are going to be much smaller than the freedom tower are they not?

It would of been really cool if they made twin towers to represent what was there before imo


BTW I change my mind, the tower is nice. I was just hoping for more i guess.

No not really, not in roof height.

is there any date announced for when this tower will begin to rise?

as far as i know not, but they said the tower will reach ground level at the beginning of 2008

foto courtesy of The Port Authority web site


http://www.panynj.com/info/images/wtc_progress1.jpg




http://www.panynj.com/info/images/wtc_progress6.jpg




http://www.panynj.com/info/images/wtc_progress5.jpg

yes, but those are going to be much smaller than the freedom tower are they not?

It would of been really cool if they made twin towers to represent what was there before imo


BTW I change my mind, the tower is nice. I was just hoping for more i guess.

To show how big Tower 2 is, here is a incomplete rendering STR from SSP made that compares Tower 2 with Tower 2:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/958/wtcv050.jpg

the new WTC tower will be very big, especially the Freedom Tower

wow, beautiful, i would like to see another comparison of the FT and wtc3 and 4..

^^ Nice!! its pretty close. I didnt realize Tower 2 was that big

it would of bin awesome if they built twin towers to represent and pay tribute to the former tho, dont you guys agree?

Not that I'm complaining, this project looks better each time i look at it. But it would of bin cool.

no, although i do love the original towers i like this project more.

Twin Towers would be insulting.

'Lets build twin towers to totally act as though 9/11 never happened. Nevermind the 2,000 + people who died.'

so do you guys think this tower will really be completed by 2012?

Twin Towers would be insulting.

'Lets build twin towers to totally act as though 9/11 never happened. Nevermind the 2,000 + people who died.'
Going by that logic, the mere fact that they are building anything on that site is insulting to all those who died there.

I like the Freedom Tower, but I liked the older 'twisting' design better. Still, at least something is going to fill the gaping hole in the lower Manhattan skyline.

^ Building something new is a way to say that we've moved on. Rebuilding the twins as they were is saying that we're sweeping it under the rug and basically say that it never happened.

And the bird cage was a giant clusterfuck.
http://citybloc.com/featured/building_projects_images/FreedomTower-ny.jpg

Oh..and here is a cool pic of the evolution of the Freedom Tower:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

^^ It seems very nice!

^ Building something new is a way to say that we've moved on. Rebuilding the twins as they were is saying that we're sweeping it under the rug and basically say that it never happened.

And the bird cage was a giant clusterfuck.
http://citybloc.com/featured/building_projects_images/FreedomTower-ny.jpg

Oh..and here is a cool pic of the evolution of the Freedom Tower:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

The original proposal was retarded. :ohno:

^ Building something new is a way to say that we've moved on. Rebuilding the twins as they were is saying that we're sweeping it under the rug and basically say that it never happened.

...

And the bird cage was a giant clusterfuck.


Who on earth was advocating rebuilding the original WTC? I certainly wasn't. And HWDP was merely suggesting building two new twin buildings, not rebuilding the exact same twin towers as before.

I still like the older design for the Freedom Tower. It was unique and more symbolic. I'm not foaming at the mouth that they didn't build it though. I do like the one they went with, but it wasn't my favorite.

Since the footprints of the original towers are still exposed it would be cool if they built the current design and then build 2500 foot replicas of the original WTC on the foot print of the old towers. New York ain't New York without those twin towers in Lower Manhattan. :(

Who on earth was advocating rebuilding the original WTC? I certainly wasn't. And HWDP was merely suggesting building two new twin buildings, not rebuilding the exact same twin towers as before.



I never said you.

FM 2258: The footprints of Ground Zero is hallowed earth. You don't touch it.

People need to understand that any sort of twin towers will NOT BE BUILT. After all the delays and design changes, the Freedom Tower is under construction. Why can't anyone be satisfied?

http://www.projectrebirth.org/albums/album008_revised_FreedomTower/East_River_8x10_5_RGB_wmark.jpg

has anyone posted that yet?

http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/images/uploads/Freedom_Tower_A_New_Face.jpg

http://www.techno-science.net/illustration/Architecture/Gratte-ciel/Img/Freedom-Tower-2.jpg

http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/freedom%20tower%202.jpg

http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/freedom_tower_hudson.jpg

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/FreedomTower.jpg

http://www.projectrebirth.org/albums/album005_freedomtower/freedom_tower_BrooklynBridge.jpg

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/OB-AC835_200GSt_20060907132729.jpg

http://www.jonholato.com/images/humor/freedom-tower-middle-finger.jpg

Twin Towers would be insulting.

'Lets build twin towers to totally act as though 9/11 never happened. Nevermind the 2,000 + people who died.'

I'm not saying they should of rebuilt the twin towers exactly how they were to act as though 9/11 never happened.

I'm saying it would of bin cool if they kept the SAME NEW DESIGN they have now for the freedom tower and made 2 of them to symbolize the old WTC.

I think thats more of a nice thing than to forget about the old twin towers and just build something completely different. Twins would of paid tribute to the old towers and would of reminded people of the old towers and made them remember the old towers


Those twin towers WERE new york, it made the skyline different. with all different buildings the skyline wont be as interesting imo it wont stand out as much. The twins brought the whole skyline up


I still like the Freedom Tower, and the project looks good. Its just thats what my preference would have been.