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it seems that the progress on the top has significantly slowned down :ohno:what a pity

Indeed. The curtain wall instalation stopped to the 25th floor about a month ago, ironworkers are still working on the 56th floor... No new vertical steel beams visible since a while. If you look carefully to all the photos, you could say that all of them where taken during a time of 2 weeks. The only major visible progress is, perhaps, the cladding of the Northwest corner.
It's all about patience, they are no major delays and the working is on schedule... Only one month more and snow will dissapear. :wink2:

There's no more big storms coming and the temps are getting a little warmer so things will pick up soon.

they should raze the whole stuyvesant town and build something grand there.
Yes, I'm sure that compensation for 21,621 people will be very cheap... :nuts:

As you can see the 1 WTC's cranes are now the highest point downtown....what a beatiful view.... :cheers:

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IT Looks realy ugly i hope it will be destoyed

I'm guesting this why you got banned.

it seems that the progress on the top has significantly slowned down :ohno:what a pity

well, it's not so cool to do this kind of jobs having snow storms and very very cold days like at the moment

Indeed. The curtain wall instalation stopped to the 25th floor about a month ago

They have been doing the north west corner of the building for the last 2-3 weeks. The entire North West corner had no curtain wall prior. As you can see in the 1st photo on this page they are up to the 5th level and will be starting on the 6th. Once the curtain wall is even all around we will start to see it go higher.

My laptop is experiencing some energy problems, I'll be absent for at least a week.

Meanwhile, I'll leave a note from Associated Press.

Wall Street Journal
Associated Press
NEW YORK — The quest for tenants to fill the floors at 1 World Trade Center has gone global — all the way to China. (http://online.wsj.com/article/APddbd52b089424c1390b9b62fad71930a.html)
A private real estate developer connected to the project is heading to a conference of business leaders in China this weekend. Douglas Durst of the Durst Organization says 1 World Trade Center has generated "tremendous interest" among Chinese companies that are thinking about opening international offices.

The first completed deal for a tenant in the tower has been with a Chinese real estate company, Vantone Industrial, which signed a lease in 2009 for about 200,000 square feet.

The building was formerly known as the Freedom Tower. When it's completed, it will be the tallest building in the country with an antenna bringing it to 1,776 feet.

—Copyright 2011 Associated Press

My laptop is experiencing some energy problems, I'll be absent for at least a week.

Meanwhile, I'll leave a note from Associated Press.

Thats good news right?

And slightly off topic but on a related note, if all of these Chinese tennats try to lease parts of 1WTC, maybe there'll be no space left and theyll have to go to 2 and 3WTC, meaning that construction on those two wont be held back :D

Went down to the WTC construction site today for the first time in about 4 months.

All I can say is - WOW, what a site and how much it has changed in a few months!!. 1 WTC is awesome, 4 WTC is now clearly a skyscraper under construction, the cranes for 2 WTC are visible and the entire rest of the site is a beehive of activity. This is far and away the most active construction site I have ever seen in NY. I would guess that it is currently the most active site in the entire US and possibly one of the more active sites in the world.

For those with the ability to get to NY I would highly recommend coming in April through June. WTC 1 & 4 will be even more imposing and still largely "nude" (which makes them more interesting in my book) and the rest of the site will be growing too.

Reconstruction is in full swing and once the weather gets a little better and the buildings a bit bigger it will be a site to behold. Well worth a moderately prices airline flight or long car drive if you can do it.

(I still wish they were making these buildings 10 to 15% bigger but that does nothing to detract from the beauty of the construction)

^^ I will be there in 5 weeks, yay.

I'll be there at the end of February.

I'll try to make it for 1WTC opening :soon:

A screencap from lowermanhattan.info, http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/ipm/4d/map/index.php. Interesting.

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it's a beautiful tower... but must they build so slow?

it's a beautiful tower... but must they build so slow?

It hasn't been going slow, other than last month and that was because it was one of the worst months weather-wise NYC has ever seen. It'll get back to the usual floor a week in no time.

^^ Yeah, cuz no major storms will happen this winter anymore and the temps are getting milder too. <3

let`s hope so !

could someone take either an aerial or ground photo of the Tenhouse to put in perspective just how close that Fire Station was to the towers. I know the Deutcshe Building is gone and they are right next door. I was in NYC for the first time back in November ' 09 and the site was soooo overwhelming. My dads a firefighter in California and I'm a Fire tech student so visiting the site had different emotional meanings to us.

Did they finish deconstruction the Doutche Bank Bulding??

You mean the Deutsche Bank Building? Yes, it is gone.:) Good riddens.:cheers:

Update shot taken by GreenwichBoy, WiredNY..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12208&d=1297658358

which floor is it currently on?

nice photos ...

which floor is it currently on?

56th..

Looks nice. The more glass is on the elevation the better it looks.

Looks nice. The more glass is on the elevation the better it looks.

Definately! Hopefully they continue with the cladding once the north-west-side cladding is on the same level with the rest.

Here we go! As the sun came up, new steel is down at the tower..

WTC plan
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which floor is it currently on?

56th floor, 666' 8" or 203.2 meters. And it wont be going higher today. Too much wind, the cranes are tied off and idle.

56th floor, 666' 8" or 203.2 meters. And it wont be going higher today. Too much wind, the cranes are tied off and idle.

Stupid weather ):<

Pfft, wind? of course there's gonna be wind they're in the sky damn it

^^ Not safe to operate tower cranes in 50mph gusts.

I almost had my head taken off by the hook block of a crane in winds like today. Best to just shut down and pick it up tomorrow.

The next day we spent an hour unwinding the hook block from the boom of the crane. It got wraped around about 6 times overnight.

Gusty winds and tower cranes don't work well together. It's too risky as it can topple the crane if the wind throws the load too far off balance. It also dramatically increases the risks to the iron workers trying to position the steel. Better safe than sorry. I'd much prefer to see this tower built without even one death.

Not to mention, being at 666.666666 feet is itself an omen to not rush through anything at the expense of safety.

^^You said it man.

It would be absolutely wonderful if no one died in the construction of this tower. ( I pray every day for everyone involved.) Too much blood has been shed on the site already.

Looks great!

diagram update
current height 203m
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February 14th, Scumonkey, WNY..

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amazing, thanx!!!:banana:

Hopefully it isn't as windy down there as it is up here in Boston... if it is I don't think anything is going to happen today.

it is a little bit disapointing that the height is not going to be groundbreaking, even in the USA there are higher structures. They should skip WTC 4 and make WTC1 world tallest building. Like 1 km or something.

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it is a little bit disapointing that the height is not going to be groundbreaking, even in the USA there are higher structures. They should skip WTC 4 and make WTC1 world tallest building. Like 1 km or something.
First off you can't just suddenly change the design for a building of this magnitude especially when so much of it is already completed. Every detail has already been worked out and factories have already constructed countless bits of hardware that will be delivered when they are needed. Also there is a 2,000 foot limit in the United States for the height of a building. The Chicago Spire was designed to go to that limit but of course that didn't happen. It just seems foolish to even suggest that everyone involved in this project could suddenly shift gears and redesign the whole thing at this late stage into something completely different.

banaantaje wrote:

First off you can't just suddenly change the design for a building of this magnitude especially when so much of it is already completed. Every detail has already been worked out and factories have already constructed countless bits of hardware that will be delivered when they are needed. Also there is a 2,000 foot limit in the United States for the height of a building. The Chicago Spire was designed to go to that limit but of course that didn't happen. It just seems foolish to even suggest that everyone involved in this project could suddenly shift gears and redesign the whole thing at this late stage into something completely different.

Plus, you need to remember that these buildings are not just monuments, they have to function, and function profitably to exist. Would a 1km building in a tight leasing market even be economically feasible in the US? I sort of doubt it. The Burj is a great example. That building could not be built in the US, or if it was the useless top 700ft would be left off of it. It could never generate the revenues needed to pay off the construction debt and then cover its operating expenses. See the Spire as an example. Great idea, beautiful on drawings, but a disaster economically and therefore an empty hole in the ground......

^^ the burj dubai is a big building in a 'empty' city in a desert. WTC 1km style would be placed in the 'center of the universe'. Big difference. And ps i know of course it cant happen anymore i just think its not iconic enough to replace the old twins. NY should still stand for evolution but nowadays even in the middle of a slumcity like mumbai they are building taller...

banaantaje wrote:

First off you can't just suddenly change the design for a building of this magnitude especially when so much of it is already completed. Every detail has already been worked out and factories have already constructed countless bits of hardware that will be delivered when they are needed. Also there is a 2,000 foot limit in the United States for the height of a building. The Chicago Spire was designed to go to that limit but of course that didn't happen. It just seems foolish to even suggest that everyone involved in this project could suddenly shift gears and redesign the whole thing at this late stage into something completely different.


^^ Thank you for the info......i didnt know the limit height was 2000 ft. I understand know why 1WTC isnt taller, but anyways i am agree with the height its actually gonna have....because it would be like misplaced a 2000 ft.+ building in NYC, i dont think its the adequate city to build monster towers like burj khalifa.....let those monsters for other cities....NYC is worlds most influential city so it has to show equilibrium.

thanks for the update culwalla, it would be amazing if you could add WTC 2 into the next diagram too :)

^^ the burj dubai is a big building in a 'empty' city in a desert. WTC 1km style would be placed in the 'center of the universe'. Big difference. And ps i know of course it cant happen anymore i just think its not iconic enough to replace the old twins. NY should still stand for evolution but nowadays even in the middle of a slumcity like mumbai they are building taller...

Yes, agreed, big difference but a building that big in a "free" economy still couldn't pay for it's own construction. I agree with you that the replacement for the twins isn't what I would have hoped but that is what's being built. It won't change.

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Would you say this is the hight of the BK from the top of the spire?? Because this looks about right.

Would you say this is the hight of the BK from the top of the spire?? Because this looks about right.

Probably a little higher. Planes flying at that location are usually at 3000-3500 ft.

February 4th and 7th, Joe Woolhead, WTC.com

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Looks like they've brought steel up to the top, but haven't erected it yet. Hopefully soon. It's been a month since they last started new floors.

It's still hard to believe that this building is now over 200m tall. On pictures it doesn't look that tall, allthough you can compare it with the surrounding buildings.

banaantaje wrote: Also there is a 2,000 foot limit in the United States for the height of a building. The Chicago Spire was designed to go to that limit but of course that didn't happen.

I don't believe you. Source please.

What I have found through Westlaw and LexisNexis (the two US case and statue legal databases):

There is no US Federal Code that stipulates a height restriction in the US. This is left to the states under their own local police powers. The only quasi federal writing that I can find only states that "[a] state may, directly by statute, reasonably limit the height of buildings to promote the public health and public safety." Most states take the approach that as long as it can be done safely there is no limit.

Chicago itself might have a limit, but it is a local zoning ordinance allowed by state law, which is not even a state or a federal law. With a little lobbying effort a local zoning ordinance can be changed. Height restriction ordinances also change with the times, so if technology gets better the restrictions change.

Finally something has changed visually... A seventh row of glass going up, as seen on the Discovery webcams.

Yay!

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I don't believe you. Source please.

What I have found through Westlaw and LexisNexis (the two US case and statue legal databases):

There is no US Federal Code that stipulates a height restriction in the US. This is left to the states under their own local police powers. The only quasi federal writing that I can find only states that "[a] state may, directly by statute, reasonably limit the height of buildings to promote the public health and public safety." Most states take the approach that as long as it can be done safely there is no limit.

Chicago itself might have a limit, but it is a local zoning ordinance allowed by state law, which is not even a state or a federal law. With a little lobbying effort a local zoning ordinance can be changed. Height restriction ordinances also change with the times, so if technology gets better the restrictions change.

THis is not a zoning thing and it's not a local thing, it's an air traffic safety thing.

Try the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). I'm not chasing a link down though. You're the one who doesn't believe it so you can look it up, lol. Both have restrictions on antennae being over 2,000 feet so that there will be no hazard to air traffic. In the US nothing can be built over 2K and the regs are there to protect air safety.

THis is not a zoning thing and it's not a local thing, it's an air traffic safety thing.

Try the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). I'm not chasing a link down though. You're the one who doesn't believe it so you can look it up, lol. Both have restrictions on antennae being over 2,000 feet so that there will be no hazard to air traffic. In the US nothing can be built over 2K and the regs are there to protect air safety.

"The Federal Communications Commission has expressly declined to regulate the height of radio antenna towers. Accordingly, challenges to covenants in deeds and local ordinances restricting the construction or height of antenna structures on grounds that such restrictions were preempted by the Communications Act generally have been unsuccessful. The FCC does require that the Federal Aviation Administration be notified concerning applications for the erection of antennas over 200 feet high, and in certain other situations, as where the antenna is near an airport. In addition, the owner of any proposed or existing antenna structure that requires notice of proposed construction to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) must register the structure with the FCC. The FCC rules specifically define the term 'antenna structures' as the radiating or receiving system, its supporting structures and any appurtenances mounted thereon."

74 Am. Jur. 2d Telecommunications § 140 (2010)

FAA only has restrictions near air strips... Try again. I want to find it, but it isn't coming from the FCC or the FAA.

"The Federal Communications Commission has expressly declined to regulate the height of radio antenna towers. Accordingly, challenges to covenants in deeds and local ordinances restricting the construction or height of antenna structures on grounds that such restrictions were preempted by the Communications Act generally have been unsuccessful. The FCC does require that the Federal Aviation Administration be notified concerning applications for the erection of antennas over 200 feet high, and in certain other situations, as where the antenna is near an airport. In addition, the owner of any proposed or existing antenna structure that requires notice of proposed construction to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) must register the structure with the FCC. The FCC rules specifically define the term 'antenna structures' as the radiating or receiving system, its supporting structures and any appurtenances mounted thereon."

74 Am. Jur. 2d Telecommunications § 140 (2010)

FAA only has restrictions near air strips... Try again. I want to find it, but it isn't coming from the FCC or the FAA.

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Mass_Media/Databases/documents_collection/65-455.pdf

The impoprtant paragraph starts at the bottom of the first page and goes to the second, now drop this. It's the rule, is it a law? No. It's just a pronouncement and one which to our knowledge has not been challenged or requested to be waived. Could you get around it if you wanted to? maybe, maybe not. Will they change it someday? maybe, maybe not. The point is, they don't want anything built over 2,000 feet, end of story.

Just to clarify HR 7428 did not pass, and this is not even a rule. It is a policy statement from 1965, and it explicitly states that towers can be built above 2,000 feet if it is in the public interest.

"Only in the exceptional case, where the Commission concludes that a clear and compelling showing has been made that there are public interest reasons requiring a tower higher than 2,000 feet above ground, and after the parties have complied with applicable FAA procedures,andfullCommission coordination with FAA on the question of menace to air navigation, will a grant be made."

Here is the current codified law concerning tower heights and regulations.

47 CFR § 17. Construction, Marking, and Lighting of Antenna Structures

§ 17.7 Antenna structures requiring notification to the FAA.

A notification to the Federal Aviation Administration is required, except as set forth in § 17.14, for any of the following construction or alteration:

(a) Any construction or alteration of more than 60.96 meters (200 feet) in height above ground level at its site.

(b) Any construction or alteration of greater height than an imaginary surface extending outward and upward at one of the following slopes:

(1) 100 to 1 for a horizontal distance of 6.10 kilometers (20,000 feet) from the nearest point of the nearest runway of each airport specified in paragraph (d) of this section with at least one runway more than 0.98 kilometers (3,200 feet) in actual length, excluding heliports.

(2) 50 to 1 for a horizontal distance of 3.05 kilometers (10,000 feet) from the nearest point of the nearest runway of each airport specified in paragraph (d) of this section with its longest runway no more than 0.98 kilometers (3,200 feet) in actual length, excluding heliports.

(3) 25 to 1 for a horizontal distance of 1.52 kilometers (5,000 feet) from the nearest point of the nearest landing and takeoff area of each heliport specified in paragraph (d) of this section.

(c) When requested by the FAA, any construction or alteration that would be in an instrument approach area (defined in the FAA standards governing instrument approach procedures) and available information indicates it might exceed an obstruction standard of the FAA.


§ 17.10 Antenna structures over 304.80 meters (1,000 feet) in height.

Where one or more antenna farm areas have been designated for a community or communities (see § 17.9), the Commission will not accept for filing an application to construct a new station or to increase height or change antenna location of an existing station proposing the erection of an antenna structure over 304.80 meters (1,000 feet) above ground unless:

(a) It is proposed to locate the antenna structure in a designated antenna farm area, or

(b) It is accompanied by a statement from the Federal Aviation Administration that the proposed structure will not constitute a menace to air navigation, or

(c) It is accompanied by a request for waiver setting forth reasons sufficient, if true, to justify such a waiver.



§ 17.14 Certain antenna structures exempt from notification to the FAA.


A notification to the Federal Aviation Administration is not required for any of the following construction or alteration:

(a) Any object that would be shielded by existing structures of a permanent and substantial character or by natural terrain or topographic features of equal or greater height, and would be located in the congested area of a city, town, or settlement where it is evident beyond all reasonable doubt that the structure so shielded will not adversely affect safety in air navigation. Applicants claiming such exemption under § 17.14(a) shall submit a statement with their application to the FCC explaining basis in detail for their finding.

(b) Any antenna structure of 6.10 meters (20 feet) or less in height except one that would increase the height of another antenna structure.

(c) Any air navigation facility, airport visual approach or landing aid, aircraft arresting device, or meteorological device, of a type approved by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the location and height of which is fixed by its functional purpose.


There is no law, code, rule, or regulation creating a national height limitation in the United States.

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Mass_Media/Databases/documents_collection/65-455.pdf

The impoprtant paragraph starts at the bottom of the first page and goes to the second, now drop this. It's the rule, is it a law? No. It's just a pronouncement and one which to our knowledge has not been challenged or requested to be waived. Could you get around it if you wanted to? maybe, maybe not. Will they change it someday? maybe, maybe not. The point is, they don't want anything built over 2,000 feet, end of story.

BTW, this document only concerns antenna towers, not buildings without antennas. They are specifically talking about what is necessary to provide broadcast service, not aviation and building safety. Its not that they don't want anything to be built above 2000 feet, just specifically antenna towers. Now Im done...

Is the freedom tower the same witch as the twin towers once were? from the picture i see.. the free tower is pretty skinny. a co worker of mine use to work in the twin towers who said the twin towers would sway in heavy wind.

There was nothing skinning about the twin towers. And the twins were bigger.

Is the freedom tower the same witch as the twin towers once were? from the picture i see.. the free tower is pretty skinny. a co worker of mine use to work in the twin towers who said the twin towers would sway in heavy wind.

Footprints for both the original twins and WTC 1 are 1 acre. (208.7 feet on a side). WTC 1 will be thinner at the top though.

Construction Photos Updated at WTC.com.

http://www.wtc.com/media/images/construction

One question, I remember on the original 1 WTC there were tracks on the side of the building to wash the building, BUT on The New Tower 1 WTC how are they going to wash the window with no tracks what so ever?:ohno:

While I am not a constitutional lawyer, I am an attorney and have studied many a con-law principle. Thus, I am a reasonably credible source. Zoning ordinances, a municipality's "comprehensive plan," and the like are all the province of the State as independent sovereigns under the 10th Amendment. If the feds wanted to put a ceiling on building height, it would be a stretch (save for D.C.). They would either have to assert their authority under the Interstate Commerce clause, which I don't think would pass constitutional muster, or through the President's Commander-In-Chief powers as a national security issue. I'm not sure what laws are on the books, nor do I feel like looking - but if I ahd to guess, this is within the domain of the states.

One question, I remember on the original 1 WTC there were tracks on the side of the building to wash the building, BUT on The New Tower 1 WTC how are they going to wash the window with no tracks what so ever?:ohno:

There are tracks between the windows. They are only about 2 inches wide so you can't really see tham from afar. Zensteeldude once posted a cross-section of the window frame showing the tracks.

I'm sick of Americans saying we can't build skyscrapers, over 2000 feet because it's against the law. Laws can be repealed.

Does anybody know if the construction/ constructionworkers work at night? Or do they go home at eight and start of at seven?

I'm sick of Americans saying we can't build skyscrapers, over 2000 feet because it's against the law. Laws can be repealed.

I always thought of it more as a general guidline then a law, because the quote above said something about if the building over 2000 feet was within public interest, then itd be possible.

But lets face it guys, there wont be anything over 2000 feet in America for a while. Theres no need for it.

I always thought of it more as a general guidline then a law, because the quote above said something about if the building over 2000 feet was within public interest, then itd be possible.

But lets face it guys, there wont be anything over 2000 feet in America for a while. Theres no need for it.

We have a winner.

Does anyone know if the pools in the memorial are the exact same size of the footprints of the original Twin Towers?

Of course they are, that's the point.

Of course they are, that's the point.

have you read that? because they look pretty small compared to the size of the towers.

i think i just saw some new steel going up. or my mind is playing tricks on me

Is the freedom tower the same witch as the twin towers once were? from the picture i see.. the free tower is pretty skinny. a co worker of mine use to work in the twin towers who said the twin towers would sway in heavy wind.

The "swaying" of the twin towers was given by the kind of structure they had. They were MEANT to act like that. If they didn't move in the wind like they did (completely rigid body rahter than elastic), they could have had serious damage to the structure.The same is not necessary (at least in major ways) with more modern materials/structures, reason why rarely skyscrapers today have any swaying at all (given similar wind strength).


Of course they are, that's the point.


Actually no, the pools are slightly smaller. All information is on the WTC memorial thread.

No reason to bring up a topic that was already discussed.

Does anyone know if the pools in the memorial are the exact same size of the footprints of the original Twin Towers?

They are slightly smaller, the pools are 187' square, the towers were a bit over 200'.

We have a winner.

Yay! Ive never won anything before! :D

57 & 58th floors have started going up this morning. w00t!

Image via Discovery Cam:
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FlyFish wrote:
The impoprtant paragraph starts at the bottom of the first page and goes to the second, now drop this. It's the rule, is it a law? No. It's just a pronouncement and one which to our knowledge has not been challenged or requested to be waived. Could you get around it if you wanted to? maybe, maybe not. Will they change it someday? maybe, maybe not. The point is, they don't want anything built over 2,000 feet, end of story.
I don't want to take away too much time from the subject of this thread but the 2,000 feet limit has been discussed on a great many threads in this forum and it's generally recognized that the FAA sets restrictions on the height of buildings. Skyscrapers are built in big cities which obviously means there's going to be airports. When I flew into La Guardia I couldn't believe how close the plane was to all of the skyscrapers of Manhattan but there really isn't much choice due to the location of that airport. It's really just a safety concern and I think it's a legitimate one.

Does anyone know why they stopped putting up the cladding and when they will start again?

Does anyone know why they stopped putting up the cladding and when they will start again?

They started yesterday with 7th row..

Does anybody know if the construction/ constructionworkers work at night? Or do they go home at eight and start of at seven?

They work in shifts..

Does anyone know why they stopped putting up the cladding and when they will start again?

They have resumed cladding work. A seventh row of glass on floor 26 is now on the South side of the East facade.

Does anyone know why they stopped putting up the cladding and when they will start again?

They never stopped. They have been doing the north west corner of the building the last 3 weeks.

New pics and captions on panynj.gov today as well. :)

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

I don't want to take away too much time from the subject of this thread but the 2,000 feet limit has been discussed on a great many threads in this forum and it's generally recognized that the FAA sets restrictions on the height of buildings. Skyscrapers are built in big cities which obviously means there's going to be airports. When I flew into La Guardia I couldn't believe how close the plane was to all of the skyscrapers of Manhattan but there really isn't much choice due to the location of that airport. It's really just a safety concern and I think it's a legitimate one.

Legally speaking the FAA does not have the legal authority to set such restrictions. If you read the entire discussion from the last few pages, there is no federal law, code, rule, or regulation from any federal authority including the FAA and FCC concerning a maximum building height. The only document that anyone has been able to produce to evidence the 2000 foot idea comes from an FCC statement of policy from a house resolution in 1965 (the resolution did not pass into law). It mentioned antennae heights in reference to the ability to provide broadcast services, not building or aviation safety.

While this might be generally thought of as a guideline, it is in no way shape or form a rule of law that is at all enforceable. Builders might have problems getting local approval from local authorities, but there is nothing at the federal level that restricts building above 2000 feet. There are only notice requirements to the FAA. Not general restrictions, only notice that such antennae exist. (there are restrictions with in 20,000 feet of an airport)

If you read the law. The actual black letter law and the case law that is 100% binding. The United States Supreme Court has held that height restrictions are a matter of State Police Power.

I am not talking about feelings. I am talking about the actual law of the United States of America.

^^ ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ! Let it go already! :bash:

Say good-bye to Jersey City from the WTC7 cam. Floors 57 and 58 and the core progress today.

:carrot::banana::cucumber::pepper:

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(From Discovery cams found here: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-02.html )

They will freakin' build a 2 freakin' floors in 2 freakin' days!! :D

it was about time :cheers:

What section of Manhattan has the most solid bedrock in the ground to build in?

another glorious afternoon in Gotham!

1 WTC peek a boo!!!

Taken by RoldanTTLB, WiredNewYork:

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Next row of cladding visible :-)

Looks like it may be at level to WTC7 by the end of month (fingers crossed). Can't wait to see this in a week!

Before everyone starts posting the new glass doesn't match in colour...

It's just cleaner.... It has been wrapped up on a truck while the rest has been hanging (unwashed) on the side of a building surrounded by dirty construction and bad weather.

:)

another glorious afternoon in Gotham!

1 WTC peek a boo!!!


I wish i could have the oppurtunity, to enjoy that view for a few minutes.

I wish i could have the oppurtunity, to enjoy that view for a few minutes.

come ro NY and stay with me :cheers:

^^ ill be in the city in 4 weeks ha :-D, will stay in astoria.

Hi all.

The "swaying" of the twin towers was given by the kind of structure they had. They were MEANT to act like that. If they didn't move in the wind like they did (completely rigid body rahter than elastic), they could have had serious damage to the structure.The same is not necessary (at least in major ways) with more modern materials/structures, reason why rarely skyscrapers today have any swaying at all (given similar wind strength).

Hi roman.

All tall structures sway in the wind. Some more than a meter in the strongest winds they will encounter - the plan is to control the frequency so as to not make it so noticable. To make something very tall completely rigid also makes it brittle. The BK can sway 1.5 meters each way ...

:cheers:
Ray.

I think we're close to the floor that will be a perfect "Octagon" in shape!!!

February 16th, 2011

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the last two pics!!! nice ~~!!

and, is it over 200m now?

yep ! 203m + 2 new floors, so around 212m

Hi all.



Hi roman.

All tall structures sway in the wind. Some more than a meter in the strongest winds they will encounter - the plan is to control the frequency so as to not make it so noticable. To make something very tall completely rigid also makes it brittle. The BK can sway 1.5 meters each way ...

:cheers:
Ray.

Fury,

Thanks for the correction, but I thought that was implied. When I say " reason why rarely skyscrapers today have any swaying at all" , with "any swaying at all" I mean "perceivable", and always compared to structures of equal size (when I'm comparing structures from different time periods).

For example, Trump Tower in Chicago has a less swaying than towers of equal size built decades ago. So that it is almost imperceptible. Something that helps when you are selling the penthouse since not many people like living in a place that does not "seem" stable.

Anyways, your correction was needed and appreciated :)

^^ ill be in the city in 4 weeks ha :-D, will stay in astoria.

I live in Astoria! :lol::)

NYCD, thanks for your photos! very nice!

Rebuildgroundzero-Webcam is back (hopefully not just for a few days..)

Direct link: http://www.malistebde.com/groundzero2011/rgz_000.jpg?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://www.malistebde.com/groundzero2011/rgz_000.jpg

Well suited to follow the cladding progress and the top of the building, especially when the discovery cam on 7WTC no longer catches the top!

February 16th, bunky, Skyscraperpage.com

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February 16th, RoldanTTLB, WNY..

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This is the best :cheers:

Putting the pieces of the puzzle together, bit by bit.

^^ ill be in the city in 4 weeks ha :-D, will stay in astoria.
The Waldorf Astoria or Astoria,Queens? If it is the Waldorf, then why not stay at the Millenium Hilton? You can get a suite there for about $350 per night with PERFECT views of the entire construction site.

Great to see more glass panels going on.

The Waldorf Astoria or Astoria,Queens? If it is the Waldorf, then why not stay at the Millenium Hilton? You can get a suite there for about $350 per night with PERFECT views of the entire construction site.

Astoria queens, i have friends there. But i've already been to "Sir Harry's" barlounge in the Waldorf Astoria. It's a perfect place to enjoy a selfmade ginger ale. :-) and you get a refill for free haha xD. Sorry for getting offtopic. ;-)

Staying with friends in NYC is SO much cheaper! Have fun!

February 16th, RoldanTTLB, WNY..

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I usually don't repost pictures, but never say never :D

I wouldn't be too sad if they stop steel construction now or during the next two months. With the current height it would be a nice addition to New Yorks skyline.
Luckily this building was not made to fit into the skyline, but to stick out of it. So there are still more than 200 yards to go. Halftime show is over. Prepare yourself for the 3rd quarter :cheers:

An office in the corner would be cool with the small angled windows!

Looks like after they complete the current floors and add 4 new ones 1 WTC will be the tallest building in the vicinity. Is that correct?

If so, by the end of March it will have surpassed everything around it unless there are weather delays. It should also get much more visible from places like the Jersey Turnpike.

Finaly some good progress, height! Soon they will beat World Trade Centre 7!:cheers:
It's odd that the twin towers were built before WTC 7, but now this time they built WTC 7 first!:nuts:

Looks like after they complete the current floors and add 4 new ones 1 WTC will be the tallest building in the vicinity. Is that correct?

If so, by the end of March it will have surpassed everything around it unless there are weather delays. It should also get much more visible from places like the Jersey Turnpike.

As of yesterday, 1 WTC has surpassed the HSBC building and has only 11 more to go before it is Lower Manhattan's tallest.

Here is the checklist to follow in the next few months:

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(Created from the Diagrams page on Skyscrapper Page found here: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=8 )

Now that great news. I'll visit the set when it's taller than tower 7.

I think we're close to the floor that will be a perfect "Octagon" in shape!!!

That would be the 72nd floor where all 8 sides are 89 feet. They just started with the 57th and 58th floors now so roughly 14 more weeks.

As of yesterday, 1 WTC has surpassed the HSBC building and has only 10 more to go before it is Lower Manhattan's tallest.

Here is the checklist to follow in the next few months:



Liking the checklist! :cheers:

Way to go 1 WTC :cheers:
Can't wait to visit it (once is finished of course) :lol:

Hi all.

Fury,

Thanks for the correction, but I thought that was implied. When I say " reason why rarely skyscrapers today have any swaying at all" , with "any swaying at all" I mean "perceivable", and always compared to structures of equal size (when I'm comparing structures from different time periods).

For example, Trump Tower in Chicago has a less swaying than towers of equal size built decades ago. So that it is almost imperceptible. Something that helps when you are selling the penthouse since not many people like living in a place that does not "seem" stable.

Anyways, your correction was needed and appreciated :)

Hi roman.
NP man.
I shoulda picked up on your implication ...:)
Glad to see we're on the same page.

:cheers:
Ray.

Ehat a superb towerrr

the nxt five r 739, 741, 743, 749 and 750 feet so one wtc will surpass all of them together in pretty quickly

After we finished the checklist there are only 5 more buildings to surpass x)

Heres my WTC pix form yesterday...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/5454488799_435fc7137e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5454488799/)
DSC03767 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5454488799/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/5454338773_c2e7bbf50e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5454338773/)
DSCN0503 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5454338773/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

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DSCN0502 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5454949710/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

On the earthcam you can see them pouring at the basement along the eastern side! :cheers:

^^They're pouring about half (in hight) of the protection wall on the east side. There are openings in the lobby floor for escalators there so it won't affect access.

February 13th

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Hey, Carlos V, is that blue building across the river your house? I'm guessing from your pictures POV that that's your building...Lucky. Invite for coffee someday? :cheers: lol

Anyways, I know this is a stupid question to all you users that are current with this project but I don't have the time to look through all the pages to find the answer. How come there is sections of floor numbers that dont exist. Shouldn't from the lobby to the 1st office floor have floors in between? Or are they just assuming those are the floor numbers because that's the typical height for those floor in another building. Thank You

He lives in a penthouse further up the river. Quite the privileged bastard. ;)

^^ they use the actual height from a point and estimate a floor number i guess. And that isnt Carlo's house, his is in LIC a few miles north, that bldg u mentioned is in Brooklyn, i guess Williamsbourgh area.

My laptop still has problems charging, meanwhile I'll be using an auxilliar PC.

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And a delicious update from our friend Michael Morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/) (Today)

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AWWW... KICKASS PICS! TY!

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Workers, Beginning of February 2011 (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/) by Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com/)

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(This one is one of my favorites)
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Site photos, Beginning of February 2011 (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/), Joe Woolhead

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Does any body know the view from Tower 1 WTC looking at Tower 7 from the 58th Floor looks like, i mean with 50 feet left to surpass it I wonder it they could see the top of Tower 7 pretty closely from Tower 1 WTC.

Timeless pictures of the construction workers. Had the shots been black and white, one would have been reminded of the men that built the ESB so long ago...^^

Steel goes up another level and my view gets a little better.

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^^ they use the actual height from a point and estimate a floor number i guess. And that isnt Carlo's house, his is in LIC a few miles north, that bldg u mentioned is in Brooklyn, i guess Williamsbourgh area.

Yes that's the williamsbourgh bridge. He most have thought those brown buildings was Stuyvesant House. But if you look, there in the very top picture. You can also see the 4 taller brown building in Carlos picture.

Got a 4d cityscape puzzle of new york for my half term treat, so when my MP4 has charged i will be able to take and upload pictures of this amazing skyline, plus what impact the freedom tower will have on the city!:cheers:

Click on link to see what i'm talking about, then click new york:
http://www.4dcityscape.com/

When the second "twin" tower will be built?

When the second "twin" tower will be built?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=746086

Yes that's the williamsbourgh bridge. He most have thought those brown buildings was Stuyvesant House. But if you look, there in the very top picture. You can also see the 4 taller brown building in Carlos picture.

That's correct .......I just took this pic and it is very windy outside, it was almost 70 degrees yesterday..it was great..right now its back at 44 degrees...buurrrrrghg

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Hey, Carlos V, is that blue building across the river your house? I'm guessing from your pictures POV that that's your building...Lucky. Invite for coffee someday? :cheers: lol



No its not....I live further up i am acrosss from 42nd st...and yes please come visit me

Yes that's the williamsbourgh bridge. He most have thought those brown buildings was Stuyvesant House. But if you look, there in the very top picture. You can also see the 4 taller brown building in Carlos picture.

oh yeah, i see now. either way a lucky view. what are all those white, what seem to be squares/dots all over the lobby floors that are unclad?

oh yeah, i see now. either way a lucky view. what are all those white, what seem to be squares/dots all over the lobby floors that are unclad?

Those ones are "brackets" (don't know the specific name) that will hold the 2,000 pieces of prismatic glass. Now the base is getting fireproofing, but it will be clad until construction workers stop transporting huge materials below it.

Nice progress!

The pictures are always great here!!!!! It looks like everywhone is pro photographer.

No its not....I live further up i am acrosss from 42nd st...and yes please come visit me

I'll be at 2nd and 52nd E this coming weekend! :)

I'll be at 2nd and 52nd E this coming weekend! :)

Can I come too. I live right near the City.

Can I come too. I live right near the City.

Haha! I'm only in the city for three days, such a jammed packed schedule.

When the second "twin" tower will be built?

You mean towe 2, it's already stared and it's not a twin.

Haha! I'm only in the city for three days, such a jammed packed schedule.

I know but if you want lets to a mini meet and maybe we can go and see Tower 1 and its construction together. As forum Buddies.:cheers::banana:

Guys, I hope you all have a great time in New York. It would be better if all of you get organized but in private messages, not here. That would keep the thread clean... Besides, none of the hundreds of people who visit here would be reading what are you planning.http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


supremevisions (http://www.flickr.com/photos/supremevisions/) (Feb 13, 2011)

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edit: Northwest corner & west side finally cladded!
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SOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo close! D:

Got a 4d cityscape puzzle of new york for my half term treat, so when my MP4 has charged i will be able to take and upload pictures of this amazing skyline, plus what impact the freedom tower will have on the city!:cheers:

Click on link to see what i'm talking about, then click new york:
http://www.4dcityscape.com/

:(When i was about to take pictures, my dad got angry about my school giving me an account with my full name on it, for world maths day, he went upstairs and ripped it to pieces and smashed the buildings with a hammer, he stopped when i told him it was a present from his mum to me.:bash:

Sorry about that:gaah::cry:

So good to see more cladding - long overdue.

^^

Is it normal that such 'people' are not banned? :runaway:

Honestly can't wait to visit NYC in May, I'm actually worried I may hyperventilate seeing this beauty in person!

lol

i can not describe how i hate america i hope by god

ny will be destroyed

stop trolling, its kinda annoying

Honestly can't wait to visit NYC in May, I'm actually worried I may hyperventilate seeing this beauty in person!

I can't wait to visit NYC in April :lol: :banana: :nuts:

PLEASE BAN Nuri1986 this is not normal

World Trade center is finally looking like the renders (a little bit at least!)

Can't wait to see more glass! Finally they started some new levels again :banana:

i say only what the whole world think:lol:

It's forbidden (well not in the strict sense, but let's say it's not done) to spread about heavy political stuff here on this forum. It's about skyscrapers yet you use your avatar to spread your political ideas. I don't care what those ideas are just get them out of here.

And I think the software for this forum was created in.....America yes. Yet you still use it.

i say only what the whole world think:lol:

No it doesn't..It's only your retarded ass...I see you're too retarded to see that you're the only one here who is actually retarded...Get it? Or you're too retarded? Moron..

3rd, 6th and 7th pic, 1wtc looks damn massive!!! :D

Ignore the little prick, he'll be banned soon enough.

February 19th, Greenwichboy, WNY..

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I know this has been gone over many times, but I can't understand why the glass looks so crappy from some angles yet looks fine from others. Perhaps it just needs a good clean and will turn out fine, I hope so anyway.

No it doesn't..It's only your retarded ass...I see you're too retarded to see that you're the only one here who is actually retarded...Get it? Or you're too retarded? Moron..

Read, report post and ignore. There's no need to get disturbed.http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


marekr212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nojork/) (Feb 18, 2011)

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La Femme Architecte's (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53601361@N03/) (Feb 18th, 2011)

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lamottjackson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34074084@N03/) (Feb 18th, 2011)

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And llewnoteg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/llewnoteg/) (Yesterday)

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ny will be destroyed


When? I'm planning vacation time and would prefer not to be around when the whole "destroyed" thing happens.

Thanks in advance!

FFS, stop responding to his posts. Let the staff take care of him.

:(When i was about to take pictures, my dad got angry about my school giving me an account with my full name on it, for world maths day, he went upstairs and ripped it to pieces and smashed the buildings with a hammer, he stopped when i told him it was a present from his mum to me.:bash:

Sorry about that:gaah::cry:



Youre dad sounds like a cool dude.

really nice to see those construction photos
nice to see the balance between the constructing parts and the already cladded parts, with the glass reflection

the octagonal shape is starting to take place, can start to visualize without the renders.

I can't wait to visit NYC in April

I'm going in April too. :)

the octagonal shape is starting to take place, can start to visualize without the renders.

Indeed. The higher it gets, the smaller the office space. Can't wait when they reach the 72th floor, perfect octagon.

I know this has been gone over many times, but I can't understand why the glass looks so crappy from some angles yet looks fine from others. Perhaps it just needs a good clean and will turn out fine, I hope so anyway.

It has to do with how it was manufactured. The glass itself is very close to that used in 7 WTC, but the installation is different. That being said, 7 WTC looks amazing in person, but pictures tend to amplify any defects or wavyness. The same is happening with 1 WTC. The more glass that goes up the better it looks, I think.

I'm going in April too. :)

I too^^

Update by Sherpa, WiredNewYork:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12276&d=1298233008

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12268&d=1298232994

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270&d=1298232997

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12275&d=1298233007

Nice. The cladding is really shiny. :)

page 999 lol

went shopping to Century 21 and snapped these on a very cold day here in gotham.....

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Great update, Carlos!
Anybody knows the cost of each glass panel?

fantastic thread,thanks for all the pics,went there 2008 and been busting to know whats happening there now,cant wait to go back there when its finished....for those who going to New York,it ruins your life,not a minute goes bt without wishing your still there :lol::lol:

IMO these towers are an amazing tribute :master:

^^^ good thing I don't have that problem lol

page 999!!!!!!!!!

Your the second person who posted that BS

cant wait to get here in June and check this thing out in the flesh!! its on the top of my list of things to do in NYC lol, my missus doesnt understand. I might also say, this thing is really starting to look taller than it is wide :D

Its looking too good !!!

srry kingsc i might visit the site tomorrow and if do i will post many photos

So is the glass double pane? How does insulation work on a completely glass building?

Looking good! I was at the site last August, its good to see how much progress was made since then. Go NYC!

So is the glass double pane? How does insulation work on a completely glass building?

There's some picture of them, pitting the glass to the building. And there's no such thing as a completely glass building.

The only building i know of that uses similar looking glass is in battery park city a few blocks away. Has that translucent greenish blue thing going on. I believe it's some kind of super low emissivity double pane design. Basically UV and IR do not get in, so the interior climate is controlled by the HVAC, vs the HVAC fighting the sun's heat. Will have to look more into it.

I was here on feb 14 (i'm in hudson county across the river a lot), and i can tell you it has grown in the last 2 months, and the whole area is crazy with activity. I have some photos i'll post when i get the chance.


- A

impressive speed! hope it will topout by the end of 2011.

Just to tell all those trolls who say that one world trade centre is plane proof and won't kill anybody, there are still those innocent dying souls inside the plane.:ohno:
End of 2011? Even the spire to installed by then?
Page 999!!!:banana:

by the time this is complete it will probably be 2000 pages! and anyway 999 yay!

Can I have to honor to be the first post on the 1000th page?

:banana: Congratulations One WTC :banana:

Edit: What the hell. This was sure as hell the 1000th page. Now we are back at 999. Did a jealous mod deleted some posts? or is the forum itself trolling again. :lol:

Page 5 :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/mdiederi/buildings/freedom%20tower/19tower2.jpg
Andrea Mohin


Page 500 :D

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Almost 500 pages to get out of the ground and another 500 pages to get half way. T/O at page 1500? :D

off course i can be the second!

which flr is it on now?

off course i can be the second!

which flr is it on now?

Workin' on 57th and 58th..

F*ckin' snow..

The only building i know of that uses similar looking glass is in battery park city a few blocks away. Has that translucent greenish blue thing going on. I believe it's some kind of super low emissivity double pane design. Basically UV and IR do not get in, so the interior climate is controlled by the HVAC, vs the HVAC fighting the sun's heat. Will have to look more into it.

I was here on feb 14 (i'm in hudson county across the river a lot), and i can tell you it has grown in the last 2 months, and the whole area is crazy with activity. I have some photos i'll post when i get the chance.


- A

We always love new photos! Post LOTS! By the way 7WTC has similar glass.

Just signed up folks because i wanted some1 to tell me whats with the base of wtc1? why has the first 200 ft of the building got stainless steal cladding round it with no windows ? noticed wtc7 is the same but that looks nice but 4 some reason don't like it on the freedom tower, hope i change my mind when i see the final product but i think it would look alot better with glass straight to the bottom. Have they done it like this for structual reasons ie bomb proof or is it just part of the design or both? The floors what this area covers what they gonna do for light and windows? if some1 could let me know would be great cheers!

I do sort of like the new design except the bottom and the very top bit, just wish they could build 2 of them to give the whole TWIN towers symbol again, The twin towers was not just two building's they were a national symbol of the united states and NYC. im not saying make an exact replica, they could be totally different in look! just make sure they are identical to each other . . TWIN towers! so when u look from across the river u see the national symbol once again of 2 bold twin brothers towering above all else!

Would love a reply Cheers !

The glass at 'the bottom' will come soon, and look similar to 7WTC. They have a lot of mechanical bits to install in the bottom section, that is why the glass comes later.

No twin towers. I have learned to live with this, for the better.

People are still going on about twins here?

14 months of construction!


October 2009

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February 2011 :banana:

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Time flies... And this thing just gets better and better :)

Out of curiosity, do you know the height of 1WTC at the time of that picture?

Time flies... And this thing just gets better and better :)

Out of curiosity, do you know the height of 1WTC at the time of that picture?

don't know the height but the tallest part was where the white arrow points!

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it's not going to be actually glass at the bottom though is it? i read somthing abit ago saying it was stainless steal and from the artist's impression it's stainless steel like wtc7, what do they do with the bottom few floors then with no windows? why is it so high up the building?

it's not going to be actually glass at the bottom though is it? i read somthing abit ago saying it was stainless steal and from the artist's impression it's stainless steel like wtc7, what do they do with the bottom few floors then with no windows? why is it so high up the building?

I think it will be glass not metal.....

Id say thats about 50 feet? Weve come a long ways in just 14 months. And the next 14 months will be crazy :)

It will be 'special' glass.

Back to page 1:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=10848629&postcount=15

"That square base is a safety measure, not just an engineering method. Though it will be clad in glass prisms, the 186-foot-tall base will be a windowless concrete wall, intended to absorb and deflect the blast from car or truck bombs. The glass prisms will be coated with plastic like automobile safety glass to help absorb the impact. It is hoped that the prisms will refract light into color and make the monolithic security measure an eye-pleasing curiosity. The corners of the base will taper inward, with small reflecting pools at ground level."

ya va creciendo.

aaahhh thanks for great reply ! can't wait till it's done, hope to come and see it one day

and for page 1000 to come up

Yeah looks great

and for page 1000 to come up

yeah just trying to page it to page 1000

yeah just trying to page it to page 1000

almost their....

aaahhh thanks for great reply ! can't wait till it's done, hope to come and see it one day

It is going to be great when its done

14 months made a big difference

^^^^ 1000 pages :cheers:

1000 pages and were only halfway there :)

1000 pages! woohoo
but I'm gonna be in NYC in 2 weeks so I hope this bad boy tops out by let's say, monday? haha

+1000!!!!!!!!!!!

:) 1000th Page :)
Great building which definitely deserves the attention

Where did you dudes come from? I might be taking pictures really soon.

^^ from nowhere! Huzzah! (crawls back under rock)



But seriously, great progress, I hadn't checked this thread for like a month :|

Can anyone give me a good answer on the two following questions:
1) Why just 105 floors? not 110 like the old WTC 1 and 2, I know this building has a large and tall base, but so had the old ones.
2) Why not an outdoor observation deck like WTC 2, south tower had?

Anyone know the record amount of pages for a thread on this forum? I can't think of any other building as significant as this one in the past decade (significant culturally etc.)

Great progress, I can't wait to see all the WTC towers above street level in the near future. :cheers:

Can anyone give me a good answer on the two following questions:
1) Why just 105 floors? not 110 like the old WTC 1 and 2, I know this building has a large and tall base, but so had the old ones.
2) Why not an outdoor observation deck like WTC 2, south tower had?

It's 108 floors and I guest there's no outdoor observation deck because they don't want people jumping off the building.

Probably the highest building in the world has the forum record. With around 1600 pages or so? (Burj Khalifa i'm probing for)


The glass is getting along quite well... although the past few weeks the glass hasn't risen that fast due to weather and planning circumstances they are projected to start glazing again at the first winter free days that are upcoming.

The only thing that is bothering my thoughts is that it looks like they are going to start with glazing the Lobby/concrete foot/bottom first five floors within a few months maybe sooner. If you look at the white attachment frames that are dotted around the there and therefore the explanation of the missing windows in the first row of glazing. (which functions as a sort of access room to hoist the glass panels in place)
So the thing is, are they waiting to with installing more glass panels because otherwise they can't hoist the missing windows in when the bottom is fully glazed? or are they still waiting to install more security essential elements in that bottom five floors before glazing it?

Wouldn't it be better to open a fresh new thread? This one has become too big.

is this right guys
just over 700ft
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6100/wtcfeb22.jpg

Can anyone give me a good answer on the two following questions:
1) Why just 105 floors? not 110 like the old WTC 1 and 2, I know this building has a large and tall base, but so had the old ones.
2) Why not an outdoor observation deck like WTC 2, south tower had?

1) It actually has less floors than that number, the base has no floors (except for the lobby) since that space is used for mechanical issues. And, counting the Communications Platform Ring, the tower has 109 "floors"

2) The first reason of not designing an outdoor observation deck is because the microwaves from the Communication Platform Ring are going to be really dangerous... Besides, in my opinion the current observation deck design is beautiful: you will be able to have a bigger panorama of New York, specially when you can actually see the bottom of the tower.


is this right guys
just over 700ft
Excellent job! Just two things, the curtain wall is installed up to the 26th floor, and the State-of-the-Art Cocoon System is wider than just 3 floors, it is 4 ;)
I suggest you to include imperial system, since the tower is designed in imperial.

Hm, so you're saying it would be an 360 view at the top of the tower, indoor? how can they see the bottom? =)

Thx

There are actually 110 floors on the prints, one of the levels inside the spire is numbered 110. It's purely symbolic.

There are actually 92 floors in the building, don't confuse floor count (the actual number of floors) with floor number (What a particular floor is called.)

There simply isn't room for an outdoor observation deck on this tower. The top of the tower is taken up by cooling towers and communications equipment.

They are currently framing out the 57th and 58th floors but it's actually the 45th floor counting actual floors starting with the Lobby as 1.

If you take the hight of the 58th floor 693 feet and divide by 12 you get 57.75. So, the actual hight of the 58th floor is very close to the hight of the 58th floor in a building with 58 actual floors with a 12 foot floor spacing.

After some years in this debate, we have: 1000 pages. Congratulations to all!

Me da mucho gusto que este proyecto esté creciendo. :)

Saludos

thanks otie. ive edited diagram.

So the glass is the same height as tower 4. I can't wait to the end of the year.

CULWULLA your diagrams are great, love em. But, the 58th floor is 693' 4" or 211.318 meters

Add about 4 feet to the column splice for a current top of steel hight of 697' 4".

The corner nodes may have confused some people into thinking that 3 floors at a time were being added. They are still adding just two floors per lift.

Hi all.

Anyone know the record amount of pages for a thread on this forum?

Hi Alex.
The BK is on its 30th thread and has for now more pages than this one. Not sure about the record but in total the BK must have the most in the supertalls section.

I can't think of any other building as significant as this one in the past decade (significant culturally etc.)

Huh ...
See my sig ...

:cheers:
Ray.