^^ - Superb pictures. Looks like 1 WTC has pretty much matched the heights of 2 WFC and the Goldman Sachs HQ. Or is it already taller?

Goldman Sachs is that tallest building down there. And 1WTC still shorter then tower 7.

Enjoying my view as I sip on a delicious french colombian cup of coffee from my terrace :lol:.....and NO 1WTC has not surpassed 7 WTC yet!



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5562701688_56135e4310_b.jpg

:cheers:

just one more floor!!!!!


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You brag about that view a little too much... But thanks for the awesome photos!

Sounds like you are a mite jealous!^^ I bet he has an equally awesome view of Midtown!

You brag about that view a little too much... But thanks for the awesome photos!

:lol: so?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5508021686_12a8fc06c7_z.jpg

As long as Carlos keeps bringing us those photos, he can brag about that great terrace view of his all he wants.

That's also a great angle to see when it passes 7WTC in height.

Great to see you back Carlos..;)

- edit

And photo of the day

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5561016461_b2b88d5a37_z.jpg
Angela (http://www.flickr.com/photos/trippyswell/)

lofter1 (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=4502), WiredNewYork

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110325_1WTC_201.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110325_1WTC_202.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110325_1WTC_207.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110325_1WTC_209.jpg

[See all of his pictures in his post (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3672&p=356161&viewfull=1#post356161).]

GreenwichBoy (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=8720), WiredNewYork

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Great stuff Otie...Finally they workin' up there...

http://i53.tinypic.com/2s7e15f.jpg

^^ Great Photoshop, although, don't forget to give credit to the photographer: Lofter1.

Apologies, credit where due for the photo. Thanks.

Here is a before and after photo, much clearer than my previous post.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ltn6h5.jpg

It's getting exciting... I can't wait to see what the cladding on the base will look like once they start putting it up.

:applause:Well done Lawrence7, cool render, just shows what a monster this will be!:applause:

^^I think most folks will like the base glass. It is my hope that they start it's installation from the top down so we will see it sooner rather than later.

Nice PS Lawrence7!

March 13th, newhannibal, Skyscraperpage..

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5563930441_24cd89c9a1_b.jpg

^^That is a great shot. What, 80 years of skyscrapers in NYC in one photo.

If I am not mistaken, when T1 tops out, it's top would not be visable in a photo taken at the same angle this time next year. ( I am not counting the spire.)

Enjoying my view as I sip on a delicious french colombian cup of coffee from my terrace :lol:.....and NO 1WTC has not surpassed 7 WTC yet!



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5562701688_56135e4310_b.jpg

:cheers:

Personally don't envy that view at all,I wake up to an industrial estate,if I woke up to thay everyday i'd never get to work :lol::lol: :cheers:

unfortunately I do have to go to work....:hi:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5565682367_2712578fab_b.jpg

ALMOST THERE!!!! one more floor please!!!!!!

^^That is a great shot. What, 80 years of skyscrapers in NYC in one photo.

That's over a century of Skyscrapers my friend....did you miss the twin towers of the Park Row Building? (you can see them towards the bottom of 1WTC) it was the world's tallest office building back in 1899!!! 112 years ago! :)

No, I did not see them. That pic is even better than I thought !

Silly Q, what's up with the red text ? I'm just wondering, because I always read your posts, red or not. (You are one of the more interesting and intelligent posters on this forum.)

That's over a century of Skyscrapers my friend....did you miss the twin towers of the Park Row Building? (you can see them towards the bottom of 1WTC) it was the world's tallest office building back in 1899!!! 112 years ago! :)

Just as well, the Woolworth was built in 1913, so it's 98 years old! And in my opinion the best skyscraper in the world, my favorite!

Hey Lawrence, congratulations ... Image very well done. We may have a better sense of how it will be the end result of this building. :okay:

And the same image, we note that lack the construction of half of the building.

^^That is a great shot. What, 80 years of skyscrapers in NYC in one photo.

If I am not mistaken, when T1 tops out, it's top would not be visable in a photo taken at the same angle this time next year. ( I am not counting the spire.)

What's unfortunate, though, is that those old classics are becoming less and less visible on the skyline. I still admire the skyline (in photos, unfortunately) from the '40's and '50's.

progress is fantastic! cant wait to see this in 3 months time. Something I want to clear up, the building obviously tapers in towards the top, and this can clearly be seen when viewing all four sides of the structure directly front-on. It only appears as a contiunal rectangular structure (i.e. not tapered) when looking directly at the corners of the building? Is this correct? It's kind of hard to get the gist of it when looking only at pictures but in some angles the taper seems to be a lot more obvious.

i know that question has been asked a number of times so your patience is appreciated.

cheers :D

I finally made it downtown and i gotta say, it's an impressive building. The beams atthe base are huge. I've never seen anything like it on a building.

Off topic but, I walked by The Beekman and that shit blew me away. It's truly a giant piece of art. I couldn't stop looking at it. Amazing. Good things happening in NYC.

Off topic but, I walked by The Beekman and that shit blew me away. It's truly a giant piece of art. I couldn't stop looking at it. Amazing. Good things happening in NYC.

I just wish that Beekman Tower had that curvy facade on all sides. The other sides look way too boring.

progress is fantastic! cant wait to see this in 3 months time. Something I want to clear up, the building obviously tapers in towards the top, and this can clearly be seen when viewing all four sides of the structure directly front-on. It only appears as a contiunal rectangular structure (i.e. not tapered) when looking directly at the corners of the building? Is this correct? It's kind of hard to get the gist of it when looking only at pictures but in some angles the taper seems to be a lot more obvious.

i know that question has been asked a number of times so your patience is appreciated.

cheers :D

You've got it backwards. It keeps its straight profile all the way to the top only when viewing it normal to any of the four cardinal directions.

I just wish that Beekman Tower had that curvy facade on all sides. The other sides look way too boring.

Side.*

All faces of the Beekman tower but the southern face have waves.

No, I did not see them. That pic is even better than I thought !

Silly Q, what's up with the red text ? I'm just wondering, because I always read your posts, red or not. (You are one of the more interesting and intelligent posters on this forum.)

thanks, and red is my favorite color!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5565682367_2712578fab_b.jpg

When i see Carlos's avatar, then i see his penthouse photos. For some reason i think of the character Bruce from GTAIV for some reason.

Keep up the photos:) They'll be good to reflect on in years to come:)

When i see Carlos's avatar, then i see his penthouse photos. For some reason i think of the character Bruce from GTAIV for some reason.

Keep up the photos:) They'll be good to reflect on in years to come:)
WIKIA

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080508033951/gtawiki/images/thumb/b/b9/BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg/180px-BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg

Wow, the base is a fortress!

Almost approaching 7WTC, anyway great shots 1WTC will look great when completed.

beautiful towers!

I decided to finish off the entire building this evening, here is the final result. :cheers:

(EDIT: This is the original image. Credit: Lofter1)

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110325_1WTC_4.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2mdoqac.jpg

^^ Really amazing work, congratulations!
I repeat, if you are going to show through all the Internet, please include photographer's name. It's somehow disturbing that others use your pictures and edit them without permission, or at least a link. Just a watermark ;)
Again, amazing work!

pag2525 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pag2525/) (March 19, 2011)

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Allen.G (http://www.flickr.com/photos/al_galiza/)

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http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/04/20090407_narwhal_560x375.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxWmO78tEAFayCbPcSN5MLBNARg47_3cOcncrkItG9pXVM7S2j2w
Sorry, but I see the resemblance.

Few shots taken by me yesterday (3/27/11):

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_4773-1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_4774-1.jpg

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When i see Carlos's avatar, then i see his penthouse photos. For some reason i think of the character Bruce from GTAIV for some reason.

Keep up the photos:) They'll be good to reflect on in years to come:)

Haha I totally thought the same thing. His view is superb! Maybe he can post some photo's of the appartement itself one day :D

Just messed about with the image again for a bit of fun. I'd love it if the edges lighted up like this.

Original photo taken by Lofter1

http://i52.tinypic.com/2k0b5u.jpg

^^
I've got to give congratulations again. Through his images, we can get a sense of time remains to be built in relation to WTC7.
I do not know which interface you use to base the height of the building, and if she is faithful to 417 meters. But anyway, your picture is great.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/04/20090407_narwhal_560x375.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxWmO78tEAFayCbPcSN5MLBNARg47_3cOcncrkItG9pXVM7S2j2w
Sorry, but I see the resemblance.


I thought it was supposed to be a nuke discised as a spire, but now it is said to be an animal horn? Worst way to hide a nuke ever...

^^You don't still believe that do you?

I love this tower :)

Does anyone know how the spire will be lit at night? For example the aircraft obstruction lighting. Will the lighting scheme be like the original twins, empire state building or the willis tower. Maybe an all new scheme just my 2 cents.

injcsince81 (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=4913), WiredNewYork

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taestell (http://www.flickr.com/photos/taestell/) (March 24th, 2011)

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mahteetagong (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mahteetagong/) (March 25th, 2011)

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Sarcasm as a form of entertainment. Google it.

Does anyone know how the spire will be lit at night? For example the aircraft obstruction lighting. Will the lighting scheme be like the original twins, empire state building or the willis tower. Maybe an all new scheme just my 2 cents.

The lighting will be unique, FAA rules and regs will be followed.

Great pics everyone !

From the Memo Blog, NS11M&M Photo by Amy Dreher

http://blog.national911memorial.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TreesTowerLensBlog.jpg

nice photos. Good progress

Does anyone know how the spire will be lit at night? For example the aircraft obstruction lighting. Will the lighting scheme be like the original twins, empire state building or the willis tower. Maybe an all new scheme just my 2 cents.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-info/images/top-5-coolest-features-antenna-300x200.jpg
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-info/5-coolest-features-wtc-06.html


1. The Antenna
Crowning One World Trade Center and bringing the building to the symbolic height of 1,776 feet (541 meters) will be a broadcasting antenna measuring 408 feet (124 meters). Encased in a radome, a unique protective enclosure that's transparent to radio waves, the antenna will also be guarded by a decorative steel spire. A latticelike ring will sit at its base and serve as a docking station for other broadcasting devices such as point-to-point microwave dishes and electronic news-gathering antennae. The ring will further protect the mast thanks to eight translucent Kevlar cables that will stretch from the ring to the antenna, to steady it in high winds. And of course, the city of New York will want to keep its new masterpiece clean, so window-washing equipment will also be built into the ring.

Finally, the slowly rotating beacon at the top of the antenna will flash out Morse code for the letter "N" which stands for New York. New indeed.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5267/groundzero2011032823132.jpg

Is that a fire near the center tower cranes???

*For some reason I can't save a zoomed in photo.... but it's not much clearer. I can't see smoke off the "flames"...

Great render Lawrence! :okay:

Is that a fire near the center tower cranes???

*For some reason I can't save a zoomed in photo.... but it's not much clearer. I can't see smoke off the "flames"...
I zoomed in with the Wtc progress cam. im not sure what it is
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5103/lavar.png (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/lavar.png/)

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1. The Antenna
[/B]I liked the old one, it had character :ohno:

^^ It's probably just a reflection of sunlight moonlight coming off some orange sheets used to cover construction materials. Looks just like flames to the paranoid eye...;)

^^ It's probably just a reflection of sunlight coming off some orange sheets used to cover construction materials. Looks just like flames to the paranoid eye...;)
I think the shot was taken at night?

Looks like welding to me.

March 28th, newhannibal, Skyscraperpage..

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5569674581_0c51bd5c91_b.jpg

You've got it backwards. It keeps its straight profile all the way to the top only when viewing it normal to any of the four cardinal directions.
thanks for clearing that up for me.

Original photo taken by Lofter1
http://i52.tinypic.com/2k0b5u.jpg

Looks so empty there in the sky with just 7WTC next to it.

Heres a sweet shot of the cladding by the discovery cam, silver glaze in the sunlight. Also shows have different the cladding is to 7WTC even though they both appear to be blue.
http://i56.tinypic.com/30hlm51.jpg

Does anyone know what type of Drywall (SheetRock) they are going to use to fill in the interior walls of Tower 1 WTC? I am wondering if there are going to use the 5/8 fires resistant or the 1/2 inch green board water resistant Drywall.

I think the shot was taken at night?

You're right indeed! See my original post for edit.

Sarcasm as a form of entertainment. Google it.



The lighting will be unique, FAA rules and regs will be followed.

Great pics everyone !

Im curious as to what color the obstructions lights would be? Flashing white or red light on the tip of the spire.

the narwhale picture is so damn funny :D

March 28th, newhannibal, Skyscraperpage..

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5569674581_0c51bd5c91_b.jpg

nice!!.. it's surpassing tower 7!!.. i'm coming for ya!. :nocrook:

amazing

it hasn`t surpassed wtc7 yet :ohno:

it hasn`t surpassed wtc7 yet :ohno:

Just one more floor. Should be pretty soon :cheers:

Great composition, Newhannibal! Thanks, Dino.

LSMAVERIK (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24648553@N04/) (March 26th, 2011)

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A 12th row of glass has been installed.

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

The glass team is catching the fireproofing team

It also seems that the rest of the blue netting went up.

It also seems that the rest of the blue netting went up.

To add to that they are putting a good portion of the floor steel beams at the 60th floor level.:banana:

Somehow the tower looks smaller now that there is more glass.
So the more glass the lower it looks. Probably looks that way because the bottom part isnt cladded; it creates an optic illusion

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5572042859_acc98a6a90_b.jpg

:)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5572041811_85e683316c_b.jpg

:ohno:
Bonus pic...after 5 seasons Water Taxi Beach (The Club) is gone from Long Island City....
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5572041625_82f946b5cd_b.jpg

wonderful Carlos, u have a wonderful view from your home!

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7582/wtcmarc31.jpg

:cheers:1WTC is soooo close to past wtc7:cheers:

^^ (CULWULLA)

Wow... I was waiting for this update. I wanted to see what floor height and the building is exactly at this time. Thanks for the update. :D

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/Kingsc45/1301418588.jpg
Taking from downtown Brooklyn by me

What a sweet view!

Whoa this one's amazing I wish I wan't so impatient because I can't wait until this tower is done.

I love NY. I know this is slightly O/T, but all the emerging skyscrapers in NYC remind me of trees fighting for light in the canopy. Those that can reach sunlight survive, whilst those that can't will simply shrivel up in the undergrowth and are doomed to be replaced by a taller building. Probably a strange analogy, but I find it rather fitting for modern day NY. Can't wait to visit this bad-boy in May! Will be great to see how much it's risen.

When 1WTC finally passes 7WTC will there be a celebration lol? I'm guessing when it finally passes the Empire State Building as the tallest that would be a special moment.

I wanna have a firework then. Not that i live there.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/Kingsc45/1301418588.jpg
Taking from downtown Brooklyn by me

This is one of the better vantage points from Brooklyn to see 1WTC and later 2WTC rise. You dont have that bloody Beekman tower obscuring the view. Like you do from under the Brooklyn Bridge on its northern side.

^^ lol, bloody beekman is one of the most beautiful additions to the NY skyline. ;)

great pics everyone, keep them coming. counting the days till 7WTC is beaten. :)

More construction video from across the river.

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newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/) (March 27th, 2011)

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I am so sick of waiting for this to surpass WTC7, why they don't get on with it!

Great one Otie, i love what you've done with the river, it looks fantastic-so clear and bright on the skyscrapers too.

This is one of the better vantage points from Brooklyn to see 1WTC and later 2WTC rise. You dont have that bloody Beekman tower obscuring the view. Like you do from under the Brooklyn Bridge on its northern side.

Well I was at jury duty at the court house, so I won't be taking anymore pics from there anytime soon.

Whoa this one's amazing I wish I wan't so impatient because I can't wait until this tower is done.

That wasn't even the best view I got a pic of all of mid town from the samespot. And all the tallest building in the city in it. Too bad I didn't have a real camera.

I am so sick of waiting for this to surpass WTC7, why they don't get on with it!

It happened yesterday..;)

More construction video from across the river.

3gJIF3o3zXs

^^ Nope, that video shows the installation of the corner nodes of floors 59-60. If I'm not wrong... :tongue2:

^^ Nope, that video shows the installation of the corner nodes of floors 59-60. If I'm not wrong... :tongue2:

I was thinkin' the same thing, but the date is from yesterday...Ken, what's goin' on there?

It's the exact same movie listed elsewhere as 3-4-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hQRTrgX3lg&feature=related

Ken, are you playin' with us?

Today, March 30th, lazyphair, WNY..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12654&d=1301515493

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12655&d=1301515575

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12656&d=1301515595

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12657&d=1301515665

Just curious... how far along are they with the concrete pouring on the core?

Just curious... how far along are they with the concrete pouring on the core?

LowerManhattan.info says that concrete is being poured above floor 50.

Ken, are you playin' with us?

Your intuition was right, that video is at least one week old, it's easy to guess that those are the corner nodes of floors 59 & 60, the next corner beams that will surpass 7WTC are going to be wider. You can also see that because of perspective, 1WTC looks higher than 7WTC with those corner nodes being installed, it's an ilusion.
Thanks for the photos. ;)

^^Not too much further behind than the rest of the tower. Thanks for the info.

LowerManhattan.info says that concrete is being poured above floor 50.

Yup, always about 10 floors behind the steel..



Your intuition was right, that video is at least one week old, it's easy to guess that those are the corner nodes of floors 59 & 60, the next corner beams that will surpass 7WTC are going to be wider. You can also see that because of perspective, 1WTC looks higher than 7WTC with those corner nodes being installed, it's an ilusion.
Thanks for the photos. ;)

Thanks Otie..I knew it was too weird for this video to look like the last one..:D

Sorry about that. Here is one that actually is from yesterday. I'm going to have to check to see where else I did that.

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I tried using a shorter lens (200mm) this time.

kinnel, seeing that plane flying across out of the corner of my eye brought back some bad memories.

Your intuition was right, that video is at least one week old, it's easy to guess that those are the corner nodes of floors 59 & 60, the next corner beams that will surpass 7WTC are going to be wider.

Actually, the next section of columns at the corners will be two columns. That is the whole point of the corner nodes, transition from two to one then one to two.

The current top of steel is 728' 10" the next lift will bring it to 746' 8" or 5' 8" taller than #7. Plus the column splice, just add 4 feet.

I don't want to compete with Cul's diagram. Please, don't do comparisons.


http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9278/wtc30marzo.jpg

Larger version (http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9278/wtc30marzo.jpg)

I don't want to compete with Cul's diagram. Please, don't do comparisons.

there's no problem buddy, because you're adding some great updates! ;)

Otie, that's some great stuff there dude !

Wow, impressive diagram. Thanks Otie!

Looking great Otie! But I think the restaurant on top has been cancelled some weeks ago. Dunno what's gonna take it's place, though!

Thats going to be an view from the observation deck,cant wait to see it :banana:

Looking great Otie! But I think the restaurant on top has been cancelled some weeks ago. Dunno what's gonna take it's place, though!

My penthouse...:smug:

Awesome update Otie, can't wait until this will noticebly pass the 7WTC in height :)

Heres my WTC site update form yesterday...
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Looking great Otie! But I think the restaurant on top has been cancelled some weeks ago. Dunno what's gonna take it's place, though!

Nightclub, VIP Lounge, Cigar Lounge, maybe an aerial assault room full of gun torrents and missiles.

My penthouse...:smug:

haha, bruce wayne (a.k.a. dinovabec)

haha, bruce wayne (a.k.a. dinovabec)

:D Pssst, it's a secret..;)

What the ..., that's really some great stuff man. Keep it coming.

o.O 4m i am excited.

My penthouse...:smug:

DinoVabec, your telling us that your going to be renting the space where the resturant was going to be placed. If so, how much are they going to be charging you. I mean to live at Tower 1 WTC is going to be pricey.

great diagram Otie, thank you :)

DinoVabec, your telling us that your going to be renting the space where the resturant was going to be placed. If so, how much are they going to be charging you. I mean to live at Tower 1 WTC is going to be pricey.

Even If I would want to, I wouldn't be able to..It's not intended to be residential space..;)

Even If I would want to, I wouldn't be able to..It's not intended to be residential space..;)

I'm sure if Bill Gates or some other rich SOB said he wanted that huge double floor and price was no option that they would oblige him. Just think of the views of the city! Good god that would be amazing. Your own express elevator - lol.

Zoning might be a problem, though. But isn't the PA exempt from most of NYC's zoning regulations?

A silly discussion, regardless. It'll end up as a bar or restaurant eventually. 5, 10, or 20 years from now.

I'm sure if Bill Gates or some other rich SOB said he wanted that huge double floor and price was no option that they would oblige him. Just think of the views of the city! Good god that would be amazing. Your own express elevator - lol.

Zoning might be a problem, though. But isn't the PA exempt from most of NYC's zoning regulations?

A silly discussion, regardless. It'll end up as a bar or restaurant eventually. 5, 10, or 20 years from now.

Sure..If you offer millions, you could live in the White House too.. :D

I think there will be a restaurant sooner or later too..;)

Sure..If you offer millions, you could live in the White House too.. :D

I think there will be a restaurant sooner or later too..;)

Well, actually, if you "offered" hundreds of millions of dollars and were able to convince enough people to vote for you, you could live in the White House. :) ;)

Well, actually, if you "offered" hundreds of millions of dollars and were able to convince enough people to vote for you, you could live in the White House. :) ;)

:D:D

I forgot to congratulate to Otie..Great stuff, man..Very detailed..Looks like you spent a lot of hours on it..;)

Btw. core scaffolding jumped today..;)

m i crazy or i'm actually seeing the name of this thread changed by tokyo sky tree??.. :nuts:

Not just you. And the Infinity Tower thread has become Dubai Pearl. Either it's a database glitch or someone is monkeying around with the titles.

Not just you. And the Infinity Tower thread has become Dubai Pearl. Either it's a database glitch or someone is monkeying around with the titles.

April Fools Day.

Uhh.... :nuts:

Thanks to all of you guys! You should also say thanks to Zen, he provided at least 40% of the info in there...
It's not as accurate as I expected, but SketchUp did its work. Probably I'll start using 3D Max... perhaphs in a couple of months...

If I have time and enough data, I'll do some more for 2WTC and 4WTC...
Only I need "Data, data, data, I cannot make bricks without clay!"

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SimonRicci (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonericci/) (old but great: March 4th, 2011)

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Claudio Capucho (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capucho/) (March 18th, 2011)

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And photo of the day

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Happy April Fool! Man, you did the same trick last year!

Heres my WTC site update form yesterday...
bKQz66VZvd0
Thanks, Nexis! We appreciate your contribution.
If you don't mind, I'll extract some pictures from your photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/) :colgate:

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Tokyo Sky Tree??... What the hell is that?
April Fools' Day prank? hahahah :ohno:

i had wondered how the sky tree had 20,000 posts and this only 5,000!

Thanks, Nexis! We appreciate your contribution.
If you don't mind, I'll extract some pictures from your photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/) :colgate:

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LOL , thats a first but ok...

I realized my thread titles are not messed up yet because it hasn't passed 12AM out here on the west coast. Now the joke is ruined and I feel left out. :(

Haha, it happened on March 31st for me as well. Oh well:ohno:

It looks like the thirteenth row of glass is going up! I like that the glass is rising so fast; the building reveals more and more of its final appearance every single day.

Can't wait until they add just one more floor, and it finally should pass the 7WTC for once and for all :)

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Can't wait until they add just one more floor, and it finally should pass the 7WTC for once and for all :)

Just to be sure, they are going to add two more floors !

Happy Grand All Fools Day everyone !!!

(Great pics everybody !!!! )

Why is this thing all lit up like a Christmas tree each night? Are they working on it round the clock? Do they work weekends also?

The base is coming along nicely.

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Why is this thing all lit up like a Christmas tree each night? Are they working on it round the clock? Do they work weekends also?

Yes. Have you never seen a U/C building at night before?

It would be cool if they added some new steel today, but they probably wont

The reflective nature of the cladding might be something to talk about. If am right this will be a disturbing issue in Summer for drivers.

Good work above all!

Does anyone know, when this building (and by extension, 4WTC) are completed and read to go and 2 and 3WTC are still U/C, will 1 and 4 workings be moved over to 2 and 3 to help out, or will they get to go home?

The reflective nature of the cladding might be something to talk about. If am right this will be a disturbing issue in Summer for drivers.Good work above all!

I keep thinking about the thousands of poor migrating birds these towers will kill every year. Blue mirrored glass buildings kill way more than black glass or stone facades. Visually these towers will disappear on clear sky days.

By GreenwichBoy,

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12667&d=1301765483

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12666&d=1301765467

----> World class clad! 1WTC already is impressive, I look forward to seeing it completed, well done NYC...;)

Superb that last one Otie!

CLICK ON THIS FOLKS !! Really great video of the progress and it's in HD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2AlrxeWfD4

nice video!

CLICK ON THIS FOLKS !! Really great video of the progress and it's in HD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2AlrxeWfD4

That is the best video I have ever seen about the 1WTC :okay:

Beautiful aint it! hope the guy does an updated 1 in a few months.

I keep thinking about the thousands of poor migrating birds these towers will kill every year. Blue mirrored glass buildings kill way more than black glass or stone facades. Visually these towers will disappear on clear sky days.

I think you underestimate the average intelligence of a bird.

I have seen ZERO proof that such towers kill birds.

^^ You should go on the internet then, it's everywhere.

I think you underestimate the average intelligence of a bird.

I have seen ZERO proof that such towers kill birds.

Just because you haven't cared about birds and haven't bothered to look it up. That is why you have never found proof. You never looked for it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4134773/ns/us_news-environment/

An excerpt from the link:

Plate glass blamed for billion bird deaths a year
Expert says a single skyscraper can kill 200 birds in a day

The culprit is the plate glass used in windows, skyscrapers and other structures, which the birds strike because they cannot see it.

“Glass is ubiquitous and it’s indiscriminate, killing the fit and the unfit,” said Klem, a Muhlenberg College ornithologist who estimates that collisions with glass kill up to 1 billion birds a year in the United States alone.

There are hundreds of other websites with similar information. A good place to start would be the New York City Audubon. They have 30 years of protecting birds in NY and are the implementers of "Lights Out New York" which is a light-dimming campaign for NY skyscrapers during peak migrating times.

Link to NY Audubon: http://www.nycaudubon.org/home/lightsout.shtml

In the future, do some Google work before you summarily dismiss something. It just makes you look like a closed-minded fool.

Let's stay on-topic.

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Timbo in the Apple (http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbointheapple/) (March 25th & 26th,2011)

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Thank you cuz that bird shit was killing me. Where's my April pictures at? Guest I got to go out and take them.

Yes. Have you never seen a U/C building at night before?
thanks, but why answer the question with a question? If i'd known the answer I wouldn't have asked ;)

The video by movie4u2c is extraordinary, what a professional job, many thanks to him & to Dave for posting the link! ;)

Everybody knows that New York sends secret armies of street cleaners out to remove the million dead birds a day from beneath it's skyscrapers.
Or, maybe they're invisible birds, so nobody has ever noticed up to 200 of them a day falling from the sky around each building.
I saw it on the internet so it must be true.

Really nice cladding!

I think you underestimate the average intelligence of a bird.

I have seen ZERO proof that such towers kill birds.

Besides the other post that disprove your point, I have seen it lots of times myself. And I'm living in Amsterdam where there are no skyscrapers at all. In the past years I've seen at least 10 birds trying to fly into a building and crash into the glass. Most of the time I'm in the building itself and hear a loud *POK* and see a bird falling down.

I sure can imagine that a building like WTC7, which on some days almost looks like the sky itself, can kill many birds during migration periods. Albeit it's reflective glass. I think most of the birds get killed because of large transparent windows. Sometimes even humans can walk into a glass door when it has just been cleaned.

I didn't know about such and am sure the windows light reflections too do play an important role into such sad events occuring. I 've always hated all these translucent blue glass claddings and windows and can tell how ugly Toronto for example starts to become with such towers popping up everywhere these days and now the same architects are started to take the trend in effect across NYC as well.

Let's stay on-topic.

I believe expressing a point of view or concern of the outcome of the building in question of this thread is as on topic as possible. I really hope this thread doesn't turn into the style that is Dubai's where any inherent problem with the design is shot down because of massive amounts of jaded pride. The fact of the matter is, the World Trade Complex alone will be responsible for hundreds even thousands of bird deaths every year. And that is as on topic to this here building as anyone can possibly be.

Wow. Seeing that video just makes me appreciate even more... This is very like THE largest construction project going on anywhere in the world, and we get to be a part of watching it grow up :)

Thanks to a few, impatient, loud-mouth louts, most of these threads devolve into nothing more than slack-jawed Oohs and Ahhhs at the latest pictures. Any real debate, or intelligent conversation about the overall impact of their design, implementation or ramification of their construction, is construed as off-topic.

These threads are meant to spark conversation about the building, in its entirety, not just a few remarks about the latest column that was installed.

These threads naturally return to the topic, if left to their own devices and are not even moderated.

Thanks to a few, impatient, loud-mouth louts, most of these threads devolve into nothing more than slack-jawed Oohs and Ahhhs at the latest pictures. Any real debate, or intelligent conversation about the overall impact of their design, implementation or ramification of their construction, is construed as off-topic.

These threads are meant to spark conversation about the building, in it's entirety, not just a few remarks about the latest column that was installed.

These threads naturally return to the topic, if left to their own devices and are not even moderated.

true and I support that in you dear Traynor. Can't wait to see you renderings on such.

Thanks to a few, impatient, loud-mouth louts, most of these threads devolve into nothing more than slack-jawed Oohs and Ahhhs at the latest pictures. Any real debate, or intelligent conversation about the overall impact of their design, implementation or ramification of their construction, is construed as off-topic.

These threads are meant to spark conversation about the building, in it's entirety, not just a few remarks about the latest column that was installed.

These threads naturally return to the topic, if left to their own devices and are not even moderated.

Well put, I stand by this fully. If a building can stand the test of argument and speculation, then it can truly be a gem. Holding it in such high standards "just because", and let's be honest lots of patriotism (which is fine), doesn't make the building so.

This is looking better every second. The new WTC is just going to be awesome looking. I love it

They are going up pretty fast with it. The cladding is going at a good pace

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Over this bird's issue, found a note publicated on November 8th, 2000 (cryptome.org)

PORT AUTHORITY TAKES STEPS TO PROTECT MIGRATORY BIRDS AROUND WORLD TRADE CENTER

Floodlights on the roof of 1 World Trade Center will be turned off at night, and other non-essential lights will be dimmed to protect migratory birds from becoming disoriented and crashing into the side of the 110-story skyscrapers.

Skyscrapers present a twin hazard to migrating birds: light and glass. After circling an illuminated building for hours, the birds land on shrubs and trees in planters on the Austin J. Tobin Plaza at the base of the World Trade Center. Trapped inside the glass-and-steel maze of the trade center complex, the birds are vulnerable to collisions with low-level windows. In general, windows reflect the surrounding environment, showing a tree inside the building or paired with another outdoor tree to create an open sight line.

At the recommendation of the New York City Audubon Society, the Port Authority this month has taken several measures to protect migratory birds. They are:

� Floodlights that illuminate the TV masts on the roof of 1 World Trade Center have been turned off at night. The floodlights not only attract birds to the area, but they also are likely to cause many injuries as disoriented birds circle the lit-up communications tower.

� Tenants in the World Trade Center were asked to turn off non-essential lights at night or to close their blinds whenever possible.

� Netting was installed in front of ground-floor windows on the east side of 2 World Trade Center. This wall - located directly across from a planter offering the best habitat within the complex - has been identified as being particularly deadly to birds.

"The Port Authority has consistently worked to be good stewards of the environment, and this initiative is part of that commitment," said Alan Reiss, Director of the World Trade Center. "Helping the Audubon Society try to protect the lives of these birds is the right thing to do. We will continue to work closely with the group in search of other steps we can take to help them achieve their goals."

"Collisions with glass is a major bird conservation issue that's received little attention to date," said Rebekah Creshkoff, a volunteer with the New York City Audubon Society. "Populations of many bird species are in serious decline due to human activity, such as habitat loss and fragmentation, cats, pesticide poisoning and collisions with cars as well as with glass. Steps to reduce the toll on any front are welcome and could significantly help to stem the tide."

Nobody knows exactly how many night migratory birds are disoriented by lit-up skyscrapers, or collide with skyscrapers. But New York City Audubon Society volunteers have discovered nearly 500 dead and injured birds outside the World Trade Center and neighboring skyscrapers since September 5.

Dr. Daniel Klem, an ornithologist at Muhlenberg College in Allentown, Pa., has studied the problem for two decades. His conservative estimate: Glass kills at least 100 million to a billion birds in the United States each year.

This tell us three things:
1) Of course glass towers confuse and kill birds
2) The PA has bioethical values, so we should expect that spire's lightning as well as unnecesary office lightning will be shutten down during birds-migration days.
3) It's a fact that the World Trade Center towers will bring thousands of dead birds to street level, there's no way to solve it. The main question is what are cleaners going to do with many dead bodies.

2nd edit: A second note much interesting than last one


Freedom Tower May Be Lifesaver for Birds (http://www.kltv.com/global/story.asp?s=5670746)
Bird-watching is a classic American pastime; over $30 billion a year is spent on the hobby. We love to watch birds when they are in our backyards - their native habitats - but few of us realize the dangers the birds face during their seasonal migrations.
Between 100 million and one billion birds are killed every year in the U.S. when they crash into glass windows. And even one billion deaths might be a conservative estimate, says ornithologist Daniel Klem Jr. of Muhlenberg College in Allentown, PA.

At that upper estimate, it would take approximately 3,000 Exxon Valdez oil spills to match one year's death toll due to glass collisions, says Dr. Klem, who has studied the causes of bird fatalities for over thirty years.

And until recently, he says, the conservation community has not paid attention to the problem "because there's no easy solution."

"There are billions of dollars spent on bird watching," Klem told ABC News. "Acquaintances that I know that are so avid and so knowledgeable about birding - they're totally clueless about this. It's like our populations are bleeding away, and they're not able to be replenished."

Migration Season is Deadly

Most of the fatalities come during the spring and fall migrations, when billions of birds cross the country as they travel great distances - sometimes as far as from Central America to Canada.

The problem is that the glass in buildings is as invisible to birds as it is to people. "By day, birds see sky, clouds and trees reflected in glass facades and they 'think' that they can fly into it," explains industrial ornithologist Richard Podolsky.

"And by night, especially foggy nights when the top of the Empire State Building is draped in fog, birds fixate on lights and fly towards them or around them and crash into buildings."

"We now are building these all-glass buildings everywhere," said New York architect Bruce Fowle. By adding more trees to our cities, says Fowle, "We're enhancing the bird habitat ... At the same time we're creating these killers."

The Freedom Tower

Dr. Podolsky has been advising the developers of New York's 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, which will be built on the site of the World Trade Center and will incorporate innovative designs to reduce bird deaths.

His recommendations: use as little reflective glass as possible at lower levels; position trees and vegetation to minimize their reflections in the glass; and avoid planting trees in atriums with a clear facade.

Podolsky has also proposed a "collision mitigation system" to deter birds from striking the tower at night.

"We hope to have a system in place that will use radar to detect birds approaching the upper floors of the Freedom Tower, and indeed other tall buildings in Lower Manhattan, and dim down the lights that will be used to illuminate the antenna and sculpture at the top of the building," Podolsky told ABC News.

"In this way, birds migrating down the Hudson or East Rivers or along the Atlantic Flyway will not be attracted to the lights of the Freedom Tower ... This is especially important during the fall and spring migrations when many birds are flying north or south over Manhattan."

The Tower's developers have already integrated Podolsky's advice into its plans. The first 186 feet will have wavy textured window glass that will use prisms to "look as solid as stone to a bird," says Jeffrey Holmes of the architecture firm Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill.

It's fitting that the Freedom Tower is taking these steps, because the twin towers of the World Trade Center caused so many bird collisions that in 1997 the New York City Audubon Society created Project Safe Flight to monitor bird collisions at the site.

A Case Study

ABC News recently joined Nicole Delacretaz, manager of Project Safe Flight, as she looked for downed birds at the U.S. Postal Service's Morgan Mail Processing building on Manhattan's West Side, considered by NYCAS to be the deadliest site for birds in the city. NYCAS has documented more than 300 bird fatalities outside the building during this fall's migration season.

The building attracts so many birds because of the trees on the sidewalk around the building and in a park across the street. The building is only six stories high, but its windows are opaque and highly reflective of the vegetation and sky.

The U.S. Postal Service is eager to resolve the problem, according to Yigal Gelb, Project Director of NYCAS. The USPS plans to hire a contractor to etch or sandblast the windows to make them less reflective.

ABC News got an advance look at a study prepared by NYCAS that examines the role of windows and vegetation in bird collisions. The study found that the further the vegetation is from the window, the more lethal the site becomes because the increased distance allows the bird to gain momentum and hit the window with greater force.

Street-Savvy "Urban Birds"

While many people think that most bird collisions occur at night, "It's exactly the reverse," said Gelb. "Light might be playing a role in attracting the birds to the city but the collisions really happen the day after, when they wake up and start feeding and collide into these death traps."

Interestingly, home grown "urban birds" like pigeons, sparrows and starlings seem to have figured out how to safely navigate the glass canyons of New York; the top 20 bird species involved in collisions were all migrants. The top five species involved in collisions are White-throated Sparrow, Common Yellowthroat, Ovenbird, Dark-eyed Junco, and Ruby-crowned Kinglet.

Although the city birds were abundant in the areas surveyed, Audubon found only eight pigeons and 17 sparrows were involved in collisions.

While it's possible that natural bird behavior may keep these "urban birds" out of trouble, some ornithologists believe that these street-savvy birds may have developed a way to avoid colliding with windows. But no one knows for sure.

I can guarantee you that a single skyscraper does not kill 200 birds a day.

Just because you haven't cared about birds and haven't bothered to look it up. That is why you have never found proof. You never looked for it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4134773/ns/us_news-environment/

An excerpt from the link:



There are hundreds of other websites with similar information. A good place to start would be the New York City Audubon. They have 30 years of protecting birds in NY and are the implementers of "Lights Out New York" which is a light-dimming campaign for NY skyscrapers during peak migrating times.

Link to NY Audubon: http://www.nycaudubon.org/home/lightsout.shtml

In the future, do some Google work before you summarily dismiss something. It just makes you look like a closed-minded fool.

I was too casual and dismissive about a real concern.

I gave up hunting (Deer and bear) about 20 years ago because I thought it was unfair to kill such animals with such an obvious advantage. (I took up target shooting instead and found it to be far more rewarding.)

I am enligtened, and am a better person for it.

Thank you Traynor.

I am delighted that so many building owners in recent years have taken steps to mitigate the bird-death solution by dimming their lights at night, however this does not change the effect of mirrored, blue glass during daytime hours.

The old WTC appeared as large shiny metal cubes from a distance and many birds still died. The new towers will be almost invisible from any distance and the bird deaths will be many times worse.

Keep in mind that most birds (except birds of prey, like owls and hawks) do not have binocular vision. They have eyes on either side of their head and therefore have a blind spot in front of them while they fly. They only turn their heads before a landing, to see the perch.

I was disturbed when I saw the glass choice for these towers. Studies have shown that that colour has been the deadliest of all to birds. The complex would have looked different, however Black glass like the Millenium Hotel has, is far less deadly to birds and could have been used.

Notice all the buildings in this picture, especially the Millenium Hotel on the far right and then look how WTC1 is vanishing before your eyes as they put up the cladding. Also 7WTC is practically invisible behind 1WTC.

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^^ I'm an ignorant in bird's issues. But what I can tell is that the glass of the office floors does not have an own color. The panels may be slightly blue, but what gives that bluish color is the reflection of the sky. If this migrating birds fly realy high, they'll see the glass darker than what we see on street level, they'll see the reflection of the streets and other towers in the surround, hopefully they won't confuse the tower with the sky. If this birds fly in different altitudes, well, the ones who fly in an interval of 10-600 meters (~33ft-~1960ft) above the ground, they'll have a mayor risk to crash into the curtain wall. Also, it depends on what direction are they flying, the tower reflects many colors in different angles.

edit: Another mayor concern is that the National September 11 Memorial will atract hundreds of birds day and night. What will happen when they wake up the next morning while surrounded with too much glass (2WTC, 3WTC and 4WTC)?

But what I can tell is that the glass of the office floors does not have an own color. The panels may be slightly blue, but what gives that bluish color is the reflection of the sky.

Yep. There's the slightest hint of a blue tint to the glazing, caused mostly by the low-iron glass. As for the birds, to hell with them. Plant two giant opaque boxes in their way and they still fly into them. Either stop building upwards, or accept the fact you're going to play a small hand in natural selection for the forseeable future.

There's too damn many birds in urban areas anyway. God help you if you ever park under a tree.

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Some shots i took today in Jersey City...

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Yep. There's the slightest hint of a blue tint to the glazing, caused mostly by the low-iron glass. As for the birds, to hell with them. Plant two giant opaque boxes in their way and they still fly into them. Either stop building upwards, or accept the fact you're going to play a small hand in natural selection for the forseeable future.

There's too damn many birds in urban areas anyway. God help you if you ever park under a tree.



Your arrogant, insensitive comments aside, they are not opaque, that is the entire point. They appear mirrored to the eye and reflect the sky nearly perfectly.

No one said don't build tall. Did you even read the part about dark-coloured glass? These towers with their highly reflective surfaces (Particularly 1WTC and 4WTC with almost no window mullions to give the birds a fighting chance) are glazed with a style that throws a giant middle finger to known ecological standards of the day.

That kind of brutal "Man Dominating Nature" thinking was typical of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Remember the hubris of the unsinkable Titanic? Even God himself was not supposed to be able to sink her.

Thankfully most people today have accepted the fact that we must take better stewardship of our planet and the environment. Including many building owners that spend millions in anti-bird collision technology. I am glad they are more progressive thinking than you.

All I was lamenting was the choice for the glass. It is very insular-thinking to strive for a look without considering the greater impact it will have.

Furthermore, when this complex is complete and windows are damaged over and over again by bird strikes, the owners will have to somehow retrofit or add anti-bird strike technology anyway. Mark my words, You will read about the expense the PA will have to go to by 2015 at the latest. When all that money and thousands of dead birds could have been saved from the beginning.

^^ wow, it has shot up so fast. Year of completion? :)

Plus, chill, Surely the bird splatting issue is just a problem you will inevitably get with all tall buildings, not just 1WTC. :)

^^ wow, it has shot up so fast. Year of completion? :)

Plus, chill, Surely the bird splatting issue is just a problem you will inevitably get with all tall buildings, not just 1WTC. :)

Yes it really has picked up the pace. Cool :cheers:

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Your arrogant, insensitive comments aside, they are not opaque, that is the entire point. They appear mirrored to the eye and reflect the sky nearly perfectly.

No one said don't build tall. Did you even read the part about dark-coloured glass? These towers with their highly reflective surfaces (Particularly 1WTC and 4WTC with almost no window mullions to give the birds a fighting chance) are glazed with a style that throws a giant middle finger to known ecological standards of the day.

That kind of brutal "Man Dominating Nature" thinking was typical of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Remember the hubris of the unsinkable Titanic? Even God himself was not supposed to be able to sink her.

Thankfully most people today have accepted the fact that we must take better stewardship of our planet and the environment. Including many building owners that spend millions in anti-bird collision technology. I am glad they are more progressive thinking than you.

All I was lamenting was the choice for the glass. It is very insular-thinking to strive for a look without considering the greater impact it will have.

Furthermore, when this complex is complete and windows are damaged over and over again by bird strikes, the owners will have to somehow retrofit or add anti-bird strike technology anyway. Mark my words, You will read about the expense the PA will have to go to by 2015 at the latest. When all that money and thousands of dead birds could have been saved from the beginning.

There are a few points to answer to:

1- In a general perspective, dark tinted glass does kill less birds, but not an overwhelming amount. The old twin towers were extremely dark and could be seen perfectly in the sky, but they still averaged hundreds of bird kills a day. Therefore even if you construct a building with a dark surface, you will still kill a good amount of birds. So even though you can focus your design process to minimize bird deaths, you will be sacrificing (possibly) a good design. Because a skyscraper that reflects and blends into the sky, has a smaller visual impact on the landscape. And 1 WTC with dark glass, would look, in my opinion, absolutely hideous. Therefore you would be building a much uglier skyscraper (at least in this case), but you will still be killing hundreds of birds on a daily basis (just like the old WTC did).

2- " Furthermore, when this complex is complete and windows are damaged over and over again by bird strikes, the owners will have to somehow retrofit or add anti-bird strike technology anyway "

No. Because birds impacting a glass panel is not a new problem, therefore they've been taken into consideration when engineering a safe enough panel of glass capable of withstanding these kind of environmental forces.


3- " Remember the hubris of the unsinkable Titanic? Even God himself was not supposed to be able to sink her "

I understand why you use this comparison, but it is completely out of logic. You are comparing the technological knowledge of the early 19th century in a determined field, to the acceptance that "we shouldn't dominate nature" thought you've expressed. By that logic, now we have boats that crack through the ice in the north pole, so what would that mean among those lines of thought? Not that good of an example, sorry.

4- To summarize, even by "spending million of dollars" into these changes, we would still have a considerable amount of birds deaths.
If I, developer, had to invest a massive amount of money into a building, I will probably not spend "millions of dollars" to not even solve a problem, while using darker glass, making the building considerably uglier, therefore having people try to stop the development because they consider the design "ugly" (and that has happened many times before). Plus an ugly building, will make it harder to sell, and given this special case (the site of a terroristic attack), you would also have added political pressure and pressure from the victims family (who wants an ugly building on the site where their loved ones died?).

So, as for this entire discussion, I seriously think it is absolutely on topic, but just as absolutely useless. Especially given that this same argument should be replicated in every thread that is about a skyscraper with "light glass" as the exterior. So about 95% of the skyscrapers on this forum.

UGH!

You missed the point of the Titanic reference. Not that man shouldn't build stronger ships, but not to have the gall to think they they are better than nature. That is the lesson learned from that disaster.

Dark Glass is ugly? Ludwig Mies van der Rohe is rolling in his grave.

And less death is always better, regardless of the cost.

Finally, the same cannot be said for ALL blue mirrored skyscrapers. Towers 1 and 4 have no visible window mullions, as most others do. This was done to achieve a specific look. That decision further exacerbates the bird-death problem and is the F-You attitude towards nature that I find appalling.

LOL, does anyone even has any statistic of how many birds get killed by light/dark glasses?

If not this is just a vague discussion with vague arguments.

I'm amazed this has not been said yet, so I feel I should say it.

Who cares about the birds??

The number that are killed because of this building, or all buildings combined for that matter, is so insignificant to the entire bird population.

I'm amazed this has not been said yet, so I feel I should say it.

Who cares about the birds??



:lol::lol::lol:

LOL, does anyone even has any statistic of how many birds get killed by light/dark glasses?

If not this is just a vague discussion with vague arguments.

Curry & Kerlinger (http://www.currykerlinger.com/) says:

Glass Windows
Bird Deaths a year: 100 to 900+ million

House Cats
Bird Deaths a year: 100 Million

Automobiles / Trucks
Bird Deaths a year: 50 to 100 Million

Electric Transmission Line Collisions
Bird Deaths a year: up to 174 million

Agriculture
Bird Deaths a year: 67 million

Communication Towers
Bird Deaths a year: 4 to 10 million

Oil and Gas Extraction
Bird Deaths a year: 1 to 2 million

Electrocutions
Raptor Deaths a year: more than 1,000

Hunting
Bird Deaths a year: 100 + million

Oh well, this is off-topic.

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Your arrogant

It's so much fun getting you worked up. Not sure what in your past made you crown yourself as protector of the internet and loudmouth to people you really don't know, but it's apparently working out really well for you. How's that SSP suspension going?

That kind of brutal "Man Dominating Nature" thinking was typical of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Remember the hubris of the unsinkable Titanic? Even God himself was not supposed to be able to sink her.

And the whole "Why can't we all win" is such a 1990's way of thinking. You have to make tradeoffs, and I'm going to side with the tradeoff that uses 10% less energy, even if it means it kills 10% more birds.

All I was lamenting was the choice for the glass. It is very insular-thinking to strive for a look without considering the greater impact it will have.

Except you just got done saying that the Twin Towers killed birds by the thousands, and they were covered in anodized aluminum and deeply bronzed glass. The curtain wall clearly doesn't have that much of a difference. There isn't a magic bird-saving glazing you can apply here. The biggest problem is that you're putting a building up in that location. Everything else pales in comparison to that. Any and every building of sufficient height will kill hundreds of birds a year.

Furthermore, when this complex is complete and windows are damaged over and over again by bird strikes, the owners will have to somehow retrofit or add anti-bird strike technology anyway. Mark my words, You will read about the expense the PA will have to go to by 2015 at the latest. When all that money and thousands of dead birds could have been saved from the beginning.

It's inch thick tempered glass designed to withstand 150mph hurricane winds. You clearly have no idea what kind of strength you need to keep a 5x13 foot pane intact under that kind of force. Not only can it take as many birds as you can throw at it, you can throw yourself at it and bounce right off.

ProTip: Know what you're talking about before predicting the future.

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^^ Love that post STR, especially this. :lol:




There isn't a magic bird-saving glazing you can apply here.

Can we just go back on subject on ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER and not talk about birds. Please.

^^^enough of the "back on on topic" posts. The bird talk is interesting and amusing, plus it's also relevant to this thread. Its not like we are deprived of images/discussion of construction progress here. The thread is great as it is. It's the reason why its probably the most active in this forum.

That kind of brutal "Man Dominating Nature" thinking was typical of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Totally agree. But this Darwinian ethos you allude to still pervades America, which, in many ways, is still a raw place where niceties and compassion are regarded as redundant luxuries. Such issues as birds dying because of high rise buildings are the least of their concerns. Their architectural style reflects this too: perhaps too brutal(ist) and tacky though there are wonderful examples of magnificent American buildings.
I personally like the replacement for WTC, the architectural style of it is not what I would call 'typical American', nor is the Polish born architect Daniel Libeskind who was initially (still is?) behind it.

...Their architectural style reflects this too: perhaps too brutal(ist) and tacky though there are wonderful examples of magnificent American buildings...
Those are some pretty bold words considering America set the benchmark very early on for modern skyscraper architecture...

nor is the Polish born architect Daniel Libeskind who was initially (still is?) behind it.

Libeskind didn't design any of the buildings (thank God, because he is awful at designing buildings). He created the master plan, the general layout and hasn't had anything to do with the project since 2005.

Totally agree. But this Darwinian ethos you allude to still pervades America, which, in many ways, is still a raw place where niceties and compassion are regarded as redundant luxuries. Such issues as birds dying because of high rise buildings are the least of their concerns. Their architectural style reflects this too: perhaps too brutal(ist) and tacky

Perhaps, but American's also think that generalized bull#### pop psychology was fun in the 1980's, but is pretentious and silly.

has it crossed the 7wtc yet?

this bird topic is taking over the entire thread and theres only gonna be 1 winner hhmmmm . . . . i like birds i also like skscapers but which is better ? theres only one way to find out! . . . FIGHT!! !! lol

It's a shame - all those poor pigeons..

Now a question remains in my head. Is it only because of windows or do buildings kill birds in general. If that's the case, how many birds get killed by steep mountains and high rocks?

nice, very nice...

but am I the only one, who feels that this tower is very slim?

nice, very nice...

but am I the only one, who feels that this tower is very slim?


it is deceiving. it is really quite large IRL

agree, and this is what this building makes special...the geometry is awsome..

UGH!

You missed the point of the Titanic reference. Not that man shouldn't build stronger ships, but not to have the gall to think they they are better than nature. That is the lesson learned from that disaster.


No, the lesson learned regards technology: we see what went wrong, and we engineer it so that does not happen again. The whole "learning that man isn't better than nature" is typical hippies mentality that WAS "in" during the 80's, that we engineers (no all of course) are never get tiered of pointing out. Talk about outdated.


Dark Glass is ugly? Ludwig Mies van der Rohe is rolling in his grave.


No, basic logic is rolling in it's grave. By taking something OUT of context you make it useless. The statement was obviously in the context of the wtc site. The Trump tower looks beautiful with dark glass. Personally, 1wtc would look like a tombstone.


And less death is always better, regardless of the cost.


Regardless of costs? Ok, then no airplanes that kill birds with their motors, but also no boats that disorient and kill fish with their propellers and sonars. And no cars because they run over all sorts of animals, insects splattered on the windshield and no polluting in general because that kills birds and all kind of mammals (look at the statistics of human deaths caused by pollution).

Your reasoning is insulting to mankind as a homosapiens, congratulations. I will avoid answering your posts to not go even more off-topic, but feel free to answer via private message, so we don't continue with this useless discussion wasting time and ruining this thread at the same time.

A recent survey has estimated that 4.35 million birds will crash into the 1WTC after it's completion. 2.674 million birds would crashed into it had the glass been glazed with magical bird repellent during the construction process.

Two-thirds of you think this survey was inaccurate, where as the other two-thirds think it is accurate.

Ok, then no airplanes that kill birds with their motors, but also no boats that disorient and kill fish with their propellers and sonars.

Every time a bird hits a plane, in any way, they either have to land or its the engine that's been hit which can result in a terrible accident. Considering I can only think of possibly..10 occasions of such off the top of my head, I think planes have done their respectable jobs. As have boats. Buildings will forever be the main bird killer after your neighbourhood cat ;)

Traynor and STR. This is how we sort shit out in Australia. You should give it a go if you two meet ever meet:)
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If this render had 3 and 4 in it, would be on my background. Nice work:)

Every time a bird hits a plane, in any way, they either have to land or its the engine that's been hit which can result in a terrible accident. Considering I can only think of possibly..10 occasions of such off the top of my head, I think planes have done their respectable jobs. As have boats. Buildings will forever be the main bird killer after your neighbourhood cat ;)

Again, no. Only in the US, therefore using the FAA database (wildlife strike database, available on their website), between 2004 and 2008 there were an average of 20 bird strikes EACH DAY. That makes it 7300 each year. Hardly a rare event.

Again though, this is going way OT, so let's please not continue, especially if we do not check the data that is available, and make statements that are false.

Correction: the number 7300 refers to "events" not number of birds killed; the number of birds is obviously way over that. But even 1 death, according to his reasoning, would fall into "less death" that can be avoided, and therefore "worth the cost". Not trying to be rude, just showing how non realistic that idea is.

Does the top of WTC2 bug anyone else? I mean I love the concept and the finished product will be awesome, but I feel like the top should be a perfect rhombus--instead of the jagged one that is being constructed.

UGH!

You missed the point of the Titanic reference. Not that man shouldn't build stronger ships, but not to have the gall to think they they are better than nature. That is the lesson learned from that disaster.

Dark Glass is ugly? Ludwig Mies van der Rohe is rolling in his grave.

And less death is always better, regardless of the cost.

Finally, the same cannot be said for ALL blue mirrored skyscrapers. Towers 1 and 4 have no visible window mullions, as most others do. This was done to achieve a specific look. That decision further exacerbates the bird-death problem and is the F-You attitude towards nature that I find appalling.

Don't let these obvious bullies beat you up. They have their opinions and you have the right to have yours despite what they say.

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As usual... the detractors missed the point entirely.

No one expects NO Bird Deaths, that is unrealistic in an urban setting. The choice of this glazing will cause MORE deaths than the old towers did. The old ones caused thousands, the new ones, several times the amount on a yearly basis.

That is a step BACKWARD, in this age of more ecological thinking. However it is not surprising that most Americans could care less about their impact on the environment.

We are not taking about pest species such as pigeons. You must get that idea out of your head. They are local and deal with the towers all the time. We are talking about endangered, migrating song birds.

Why do they matter? Because without them seeds are not spread in their natural habitat, limiting new growth of diverse fauna, causing depleted natural habitats. Further, these birds are heavily responsible for keeping various insects in control. Insects that compete with Bees. Without the birds, the insects multiply and diminish natural Bee populations. Bees are responsible for pollinating %65 percent of edible crops. Without Bees, our food supply is in peril.

Oh and by the way... THERE IS SUCH A THING AS "MAGIC BIRD-REPELLANT GLASS"

This UV enhanced glass is only one of several solutions.

http://www.led-emotionalize.com/ideaDetails/index/ideaId/391

Description
Millions of wild birds are killed each year flying into windows. With the anti-bird strike window system you can help.

The window casing consists of a UV light source at the edge of the glass pane which illuminates the glass with an imperceptible to human glow of UV light. Birds have vision that is up to 12 times better than that of humans.

Where humans have a trichromatic retina, birds have a quad chromatic retina. with over 120,000 cells per sq. mm compared to a humans 10,000 cells per sq. mm. and over twice the number of low light rods, birds eyes are much better than ours at seeing UV light.

Where we would see just a pane of glass birds see a bright purple-blue glowing light. This would allow them to avoid hitting glass on high rises, homes and businesses. In the case of mirrored glass, the mirror could be put on the inside of the double panes, which allows for the UV light to shine and where it is protected from the elements.

There are other products out there which use the same principles to deter window strikes, but none which are as versatile or robust.

These lights can be turned on and off so they only use power during the times of the day which birds are likely to strike. They could also have a thin semi-transparent solar panel and battery assembly connected so that each window is self sufficient.

With a few tweaks and additions, the UV lights could be supplemented with coloured LED\'s and control circuits for use in other applications within the same window sash, as outlined in another entry in the competition.

So save birds and feel good... but not as good as the bird.

^That's not magical. That's installing a light in each and every window frame, eating power constantly and costing extra to install. That's also a completely unproven concept, which is why it's on some random website rather than an established, reputable manufacturer like Dow Corning. It probably won't work all that well, since there has yet to be proof from anywhere else that cladding material comes even close to mitigating the overwhelming fact that these bird are running into the buildings simply because the buildings exist, and the birds for whatever reason are unable to navigate around them.

Don't let these obvious bullies beat you up. They have their opinions and you have the right to have yours despite what they say.

Nobody ever said he, or anyone else doesn't have the right to free speech. That's completely irrelevant to the topic. The general consensus is that he and others are not grasping the reality of the situation properly. He values birds. Fine. Got it. However, there is no clear solution to his problem. Certainly not a cost effective one. His assertion that the low-iron reflective glass will cause disproportionate harm compared to some other type of glazing is unfounded. These are not the first buildings to use this glass. It hasn't been a problem elsewhere, therefore it is highly unlikely to be a problem here.

I bet those birds are terrorists!

April 3rd, SkyscrapersOfNewYork, Skyscraperpage..

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beautiful renders STR, as always!

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Look at all that glass!

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Can someone tell me why they didn't clad the top 3 row completely on the South (I think?) of the building?

so many updates pictures, the progress its good

A view from the top

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i wish there wre a pic like this only facing tower 7 to see up and close how to compare both towers 1 and seven.

So how many taller buildings are there still left in Manhattan/New York?

Somebody has posted a nice comparison diagram on that issue some time ago, but this thread goes so fast..

This great picture by Elrina753 on flickr really shows the reflectivity of the glass

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Look...birds don't read these threads or any web pages or university papers on the subject...they just fly, usually looking down for something to eat....their eyes don't see like a human sees.....it must be quite a shock to slam into a skyscraper...but then....the higher the building maybe they have time to shake them selves out of it before hitting the pavement.....there is much chat about birds on this thread of late ?

Look...birds don't read these threads or any web pages or university papers on the subject...they just fly, usually looking down for something to eat....their eyes don't see like a human sees.....it must be quite a shock to slam into a skyscraper...but then....the higher the building maybe they have time to shake them selves out of it before hitting the pavement.....there is much chat about birds on this thread of late ?

dont you think the bird(Subject ran its course), so on that note can we go back to the ( subject of Tower 1 WTC and its Construction) Please

So how many taller buildings are there still left in Manhattan/New York?

Somebody has posted a nice comparison diagram on that issue some time ago, but this thread goes so fast..

I'm not entirely sure where we are up to now, but if it's somewhere just below Seven, there are 30 buildings completed or slated for completion this year that surpass 225m.

What am I seeing hang over the 8th row of glass to the right in the last picture?

Core box rise. On Discovery camera 2. 1WTC is now higher than 7WTC.

What am I seeing hang over the 8th row of glass to the right in the last picture?

Thats a massive crack in the glass!!!!

It's the reflection of the crane cable.

weird it is outside.

aaaaaaawwww this is gonna be aaaawsome! I guess I would visit N.Y. again just to see the new WTC area :D :D

fantastic..

.. even if many cities have more innovative projects, this is one of my favourite for the grand old mamma of skyscrapers :D

Core box rise. On Discovery camera 2. 1WTC is now higher than 7WTC.So 1 WTC is now the tallest (again) in Battery Park City. :)

And overall, this should mean a big jump in the NYC tallest ranking to around 18th-20th, because there's a dozen buildings between 225m and 229m that 1 WTC could've left behind now (according to CTBUH-data). Half of them in downdown:

Goldman Sachs Headquarters (228 m), 60 Wall Street (227 m), 1 Liberty Plaza, 7 World Trade Center, 20 Exchange Place (all 226 m) and Three World Financial Center (225 m).

Five more higher buildings around Financial District/Civic Center:
1. American International Building 290 m
2. The Trump Building 283 m
3. New York by Gehry 265 m
4. One Chase Manhattan Plaza 248 m
5. Woolworth Building 241 m

If progress continues like now, 1 WTC could be the tallest of lower Manhattan in September, I think!

So 1 WTC is now the tallest (again) in Battery Park City. :)

And overall, this should mean a big jump in the NYC tallest ranking to around 18th-20th, because there's a dozen buildings between 225m and 229m that 1 WTC could've left behind now (according to CTBUH-data). Half of them in downdown:

Goldman Sachs Headquarters (228 m), 60 Wall Street (227 m), 1 Liberty Plaza, 7 World Trade Center, 20 Exchange Place (all 226 m) and Three World Financial Center (225 m).

Five more higher buildings around Financial District/Civic Center:
1. American International Building 290 m
2. The Trump Building 283 m
3. New York by Gehry 265 m
4. One Chase Manhattan Plaza 248 m
5. Woolworth Building 241 m

If progress continues like now, 1 WTC could be the tallest of lower Manhattan in September, I think!

So I suppose the checklist made by Traynor looks like this now? (I hope it's ok I edited it)

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^I just went to the trouble of updating that diagram and was waiting until they erected the perimeter steel for those floors before uploading it. Thanks for beating me to the punch. Now I won't bother.

With all this rain you'll have to repost it next week when One acually does pass all those towers.:)

We just can't get a break with the weather, first snow, now rain.

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That diagram is wrong but that's ok.

Core box rise. On Discovery camera 2. 1WTC is now higher than 7WTC.

I think counting the tower's steel is a bit more appropriate. If your going to count the core box, why not count the crane height as well?

The weather is really putting a crimp in the schedule, I was expecting 1WTC to pass 7 in February...

Beautiful panoramas!

Anyone else here not like the base of 1wtc? the rest looks great!
Hope it looks good when done, but from the renders i don't like the frosted white looking glass on the base compared to the nice deep blue glass of the rest of the building, and not keen on how it tapers inward, would look alot better if it was glass all the way to the bottom . . . what u reckon?

That diagram is wrong but that's ok.

What's wrong with it? It's pretty obvious that it only contains lower Manhattan skyscrapers and nothing from Midtown, in case that's what you were thinking...

Firstly Tower 7 is 741 feet tall and Goldman Sachs 749 feet tall. And why would midtown building be in it, it's for tallest building in Lower Manhattan.

Anyone else here not like the base of 1wtc? the rest looks great!
Hope it looks good when done, but from the renders i don't like the frosted white looking glass on the base compared to the nice deep blue glass of the rest of the building, and not keen on how it tapers inward, would look alot better if it was glass all the way to the bottom . . . what u reckon?

It will be really awesome when you stand at the base of the tower and can see the mammoth columns that make up the foundation, through the glass.

It will probably also allow for a lot of great light in the massive lobby

Firstly Tower 7 is 741 feet tall and Goldman Sachs 749 feet tall. And why would midtown building be in it, it's for tallest building in Lower Manhattan.

Only 7 WTC is wrong though, not the whole diagram.