why would anyone want stumps? not only would it be a poor choice in aesthetics, but it would also hinder the continued economic development of new york,

I'll tell you why. A stump for the time being for 2WTC would mean they might, and it's a slim chance, give it a redesign, a significant one. That's what I'd like. Or just make it 100m shorter.

I'll tell you why. A stump for the time being for 2WTC would mean they might, and it's a slim chance, give it a redesign, a significant one. That's what I'd like. Or just make it 100m shorter.

I hope so, I see what the architect was trying to do the with the sloped roof - give it and identity. Sadly, that hasn't worked. :ohno:

I hope so, I see what the architect was trying to do the with the sloped roof - give it and identity. Sadly, that hasn't worked. :ohno:

I liked it to begin with. I thought from an aerial view that it was just 4 rectangles with a bit of space between them, and I very much like that sort of right angled symmetry, but when I realised it was all twisted, I went off it.

What the hell are you saying "They're not planning on building 2WTC"?

Of course they are. Look at the renders on the site. They show the 4 WTC towers standing together tall and proud.

They ONLY reason 2 and 3 are so far behind 1 and 4 is because of the damn economy. The PA and Silverstein wanted 2 and 3 to be built to ground level and stop until they could get an anchor tenant as opposed to sitting empty for years.

Now with UBS looking at 3, it's very likely 3 won't be stopped at ground level. And by the time 2 gets above grade, there'll probably be a tenant ready to go.


I don't know about the "iconic view" from the Brooklyn Bridge, but as others have said, if it's that big of a deal, can't you move a couple hundred feet in any other direction?


And finally, about this Old WTC vs New WTC business... Yes. We all love the twins. We all miss them. As skyscraper enthusiasts, we all loved the idea of two supertall 110 story buildings right next to each other. But the truth of the matter is, that many people in New York thought that they were gigantic monstrosities that stuck out of the skyline like no other.

Many people found them incredibly ugly. And as sad as it is to say it, it was only after 9/11 that everyone hopped on the "the Twin Towers were amazing" bandwagon.


Personally, I don't think either WTC complex is better or worse. They're two seperate entities. But in safety aspects, the New WTC is MILES ahead of the old WTC, and will very likely be the safest skyscrapers in the world when complete.

:applause: ^^

What the hell are you saying "They're not planning on building 2WTC"?

Of course they are. Look at the renders on the site. They show the 4 WTC towers standing together tall and proud.

They ONLY reason 2 and 3 are so far behind 1 and 4 is because of the damn economy. The PA and Silverstein wanted 2 and 3 to be built to ground level and stop until they could get an anchor tenant as opposed to sitting empty for years.

Now with UBS looking at 3, it's very likely 3 won't be stopped at ground level. And by the time 2 gets above grade, there'll probably be a tenant ready to go.


I don't know about the "iconic view" from the Brooklyn Bridge, but as others have said, if it's that big of a deal, can't you move a couple hundred feet in any other direction?


And finally, about this Old WTC vs New WTC business... Yes. We all love the twins. We all miss them. As skyscraper enthusiasts, we all loved the idea of two supertall 110 story buildings right next to each other. But the truth of the matter is, that many people in New York thought that they were gigantic monstrosities that stuck out of the skyline like no other.

Many people found them incredibly ugly. And as sad as it is to say it, it was only after 9/11 that everyone hopped on the "the Twin Towers were amazing" bandwagon.


Personally, I don't think either WTC complex is better or worse. They're two seperate entities. But in safety aspects, the New WTC is MILES ahead of the old WTC, and will very likely be the safest skyscrapers in the world when complete.

:cheers: Very well said, I agree that the 'WTC Towers were beautiful' opinion is one started when they collapsed. If you took a time machine back to 1992 and asked a New Yorker what he/she thought of the Twin Towers, the response would be lukewarm at best. The new WTC is getting the same reception here in Manhattan, but when it's complete, the sounds of people screaming for new Twin Towers will be replaced by the sounds of water flowing from the reflecting pools.

I agree, they were my favorite buildings and still are, and my love of the former twins would pass over fine to the new WTC but that god-awful Diamond tower known as 2WTC is making sure that won't happen. In a perfect world, 2 and 3 would be stumps, hell, in a perfect world we'd still have the twins, much to the dismay of some users on here.

I'm new here, so I have to say a few words about The Twins, too. I miss them, too. I liked it very much, although they were "just boxes". But, exactly beacuse of that, The Twins were actually unique. What a monumental boxes they were. :) I feel sorry that I will never see that historic sight, when approaching New York, 'cause I have still not been there.

Anyway, I can not wait to see the new WTC built. :cheers:

Who cares if the view gets block. The building's still going to be there. If you want to see 1 WTC outside of manhattan, move to Jersey City believe me we won't miss you.

Well that's an arrogant and offensive response. A lot of people care and it doesn't give you the right to tell us to move. Don't be an asshole.

why would anyone want stumps? not only would it be a poor choice in aesthetics, but it would also hinder the continued economic development of new york,

lol, as if that "economic development" is directly benefiting you? Anyone who argues for 2 WTC to be built because they're concerned about the city's "economic development" is either a conservative or just loony. You think everyone's lives in the city are going to magically improve when the rest of these towers are completed? I don't think money's going to fall from the sky for anyone, it'll just keep filling the pockets of the filthy rich.

The new WTC will be a new start. A recovery from a decade that was most famous for the attack. It will rise up, along with our freedom and integrity, once again, to the top of the world.

And finally, about this Old WTC vs New WTC business... Yes. We all love the twins. We all miss them. As skyscraper enthusiasts, we all loved the idea of two supertall 110 story buildings right next to each other. But the truth of the matter is, that many people in New York thought that they were gigantic monstrosities that stuck out of the skyline like no other.

Many people found them incredibly ugly. And as sad as it is to say it, it was only after 9/11 that everyone hopped on the "the Twin Towers were amazing" bandwagon.


Personally, I don't think either WTC complex is better or worse. They're two seperate entities. But in safety aspects, the New WTC is MILES ahead of the old WTC, and will very likely be the safest skyscrapers in the world when complete.

I agree. :)

And about the fact that so many people "reconsidered" their love to The Twins, well, yeah, I just can say that it happened so often in the history of mankind with artists, too. Only after they passed away, they were "rediscovered". :)

ENOUGH with all the f*cking bullsh*t!!!
Can't we just make an agreement NOT to discuss off-topic stuff, like the construction of the WTC 2. You guys can do that shit elsewhere...

This thread is supposed to be about the construction of WTC1, nothing more, nothing less.

WTC1 thread = WTC1 ONLY

You two are stupid.

Yes, let's cancel a beautiful 1,350ft tall building, that would not only add beauty to New York's skyline but will also be of economic benefit to the city and downtown once its leased, all because it will "block" 1WTC from Brooklyn.

As if anyone cares...

+1000

http://techlab.scherdan.com/albums/skyscrapers/Freedom_Tower_2.jpg

Anybody else think the towers looks much bigger and stronger in this render? Don't know what the changes by this image and the final design is without the spire, but i like this better overall.

Same design. The rest of the complex is changed in it though.

The new WTC will be a new start. A recovery from a decade that was most famous for the attack. It will rise up, along with our freedom and integrity, once again, to the top of the world.

*Cough* Uh...yeah. I agree with the new start, not so much with your other statements.

Same design. The rest of the complex is changed in it though.

In that rendering? No. The design of the platform ring is different, and perhaps the spire. (I apologize if you were alluding to the building itself). ^^;

When the building is topped out, will construction on the spire and communications ring begin immediately?

When the building is topped out, will construction on the spire and communications ring begin immediately?

Let's hope so. The PA hasn't said yet. That's a good question to ask on wtcprogress.com's Q&A's.

So I am loving the updates.
Also want to congratulate New York for the passage of marriage equality! Now the WTC complex can be a backdrop for the marriage of all couples. :) It has been a good day. :cheers:

So I am loving the updates.
Also want to congratulate New York for the passage of marriage equality! Now the WTC complex can be a backdrop for the marriage of all couples. :) It has been a good day. :cheers:

"Marriage equality"?


An Artist Who Disappears, Appearing at Ground Zero
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/an-artist-who-often-seems-to-disappear-visits-ground-zero/
At 9:40 a.m. Thursday, a man stood across from the World Trade Center site covered in paint. With his whitened face, he looked, thought Koos Koning, a Dutch tourist, as though it were Sept. 11 all over again. “Maybe he came out of the World Trade Center with a white face and ashes.”

Really, the man, Liu Bolin, is a Chinese artist whose latest project – “Hiding in the City” – consists of painting himself and his clothes to resemble his setting so meticulously that he blends into the background. The resulting photographs look as though Mr. Liu has evaporated into British phone booths, Italian ruins and Chinese stadiums. This was his first trip to disappear in New York — for a show that opens at Eli Klein Fine Art in Soho on Wednesday — so his gallerist sent him a list of ideas: Grand Central, the Stock Exchange, a taxi and a bodega. Mr. Liu was insistent.

“I thought about where I wanted, and here is the first place that came to my mind.”

His work is all about disappearance, and it seemed particularly fitting to blend into a space known for a building no longer there — especially Thursday morning, when it was foggy, and the Freedom Tower going up behind him seemed to vanish into the air.

Mr. Liu, who is lanky and chipper, arrived at the intersection of Cedar and Greenwich Streets at 7 a.m. wearing a regulation Chinese military uniform (he likes them for the starchy canvas texture and the tall collars). His entourage included a gallerist who ran out to buy Red Bulls, two young painters and an intern who scrubbed paint drips with Pampers wipes.

It was a hoot for the men of Engine Company No. 10, on their stoop eating cereal, watching the crazy man get dabbed with paint.

First, Mr. Liu’s assistants — trained in realist painting at the same traditional academy he attended — covered his body with tones matching what was behind him. A gallerist took a digital photo of Mr. Liu from the right angle and showed it to him. He nitpicked: the buildings should be better separated.

When Mr. Liu was covered, he looked like a man who had stepped out of a Rothko. His shins were painted in a gray field — the tone of the sidewalk — a blue fence ran across his abdomen, and above that the iron lattices of the Freedom Tower in the fog were presented as a mass of grayish rust among the white of the sky.

With the base layer in place, Mr. Liu marked the placement of his feet and dried off. He teetered back and forth, windmilled his arms, and drank Red Bull through a straw. He doesn’t tire of standing: “There’s something spiritual that keeps me calm. When you think of all the things that happened here.”

It was in 2005, when the Chinese government raided an artists’ village, that Mr. Liu started the project. He said he chooses sites that show that “there is always conflict between the individual and society.” Art critics have seen in his work a commentary on individuals overlooked in cities, or on countries that “disappear” their citizens – as China had jailed dissident artist Ai Wei Wei, released just Wednesday.

Mr. Liu said he knew that to be a Chinese artist making political work was risky; the State could clamp down any time. “You never know when it will happen,” he said, “But you have to prepare for it.”

What the hell are you saying "They're not planning on building 2WTC"?

Of course they are. Look at the renders on the site. They show the 4 WTC towers standing together tall and proud.

They ONLY reason 2 and 3 are so far behind 1 and 4 is because of the damn economy. The PA and Silverstein wanted 2 and 3 to be built to ground level and stop until they could get an anchor tenant as opposed to sitting empty for years.

Now with UBS looking at 3, it's very likely 3 won't be stopped at ground level. And by the time 2 gets above grade, there'll probably be a tenant ready to go.


I don't know about the "iconic view" from the Brooklyn Bridge, but as others have said, if it's that big of a deal, can't you move a couple hundred feet in any other direction?


And finally, about this Old WTC vs New WTC business... Yes. We all love the twins. We all miss them. As skyscraper enthusiasts, we all loved the idea of two supertall 110 story buildings right next to each other. But the truth of the matter is, that many people in New York thought that they were gigantic monstrosities that stuck out of the skyline like no other.

Many people found them incredibly ugly. And as sad as it is to say it, it was only after 9/11 that everyone hopped on the "the Twin Towers were amazing" bandwagon.


Personally, I don't think either WTC complex is better or worse. They're two seperate entities. But in safety aspects, the New WTC is MILES ahead of the old WTC, and will very likely be the safest skyscrapers in the world when complete.

Finally a decent comment here.

I can not understand, where the hell these people have taken this information and that the WTC2 WTC3 not be built. We're talking about New York, USA. It's just you look at recent photos of the site, you can see that the structures are being built. Another thing, as the friend said that message up, already has his eye on 3WTC tenants, and soon we will have in the building 2.

Before publishing information that these buildings are not built, search before talking shit here.

[QUOTE=IanG;80267442]"Marriage equality"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/nyregion/gay-marriage-approved-by-new-york-senate.html?_r=1&hp

The Senate approved the marriage equality bill which makes marriage between two people gender neutral and thus open to same sex couples.

To stay on topic: I am glad this tower is rising at such a quick pace now.

[QUOTE=IanG;80267442]"Marriage equality"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/nyregion/gay-marriage-approved-by-new-york-senate.html?_r=1&hp

The Senate approved the marriage equality bill which makes marriage between two people gender neutral and thus open to same sex couples.

To stay on topic: I am glad this tower is rising at such a quick pace now.

Wonderful. :ohno:

Many people found them incredibly ugly. And as sad as it is to say it, it was only after 9/11 that everyone hopped on the "the Twin Towers were amazing" bandwagon.


Someone who admits the truth!

Anyway, I can't wait to actually see this thing. It looks so nice in the updated renders.

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that picture that is second from the top one really shows how massive this building is compared to its surroundings. and it isnt even 900 feet tall yet.

Damn! I hate HDR photographers being so late...

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Looks like the new Fiterman Hall has inherited the 1987 7WTC Curtain wall. Redish Orange is back in fashion again. lol.

[QUOTE=IanG;80265512]*Cough* Uh...yeah. I agree with the new start, not so much with your other statements.

What? Everyone's allowed to have their own opinion. If you don't agree with it, don't post things like that.

What? Everyone's allowed to have their own opinion. If you don't agree with it, don't post things like that.

^ lol optimum, slightly contradicting. surely then he's allowed his own opinion?
I think this forum is great there's some right bitching going on . . . and i love it lol :pepper:

Touche my friend. And sorry if i've been a pain in the ass, North Tower Lover. I didn't mean to offend.

optimum of course not, no 1's a more bigger pain in the arse than me. and i contradict myself all the time. I say i want the twins back and then next min i'm going on about how this new complex is going to look stunning.

maybe we won't see 1wtc from under brooklyn bridge but we might under manhattan bridge judging from this, it's an old render but everything's in the right place
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/Sutty2000/wtc/freedomtowerEast_River_8x10-5_RGB-wmark.jpg
and we all know the view is gonna be great from jersey, wish they could of kept the x bracing though on no3
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/Sutty2000/wtc/5270_0040_120L.jpg

just realised the beekman isn't on that old render so that would probably block out 1wtc from ground level anyway, so forget that !

naw but it prob would block out number 2

back to the topic...

CRANE JUMP!!

Carlos has not posted any pics in a while i think i have to take the good old R train to see any progress being made man Carlos has spoiled me.:lol::lol::lol:

Carlos has not posted any pics in a while i think i have to take the good old R train to see any progress being made man Carlos has spoiled me.:lol::lol::lol:

HA HA as you know fog had invaded Gotham for the last 3 days so it was almost impossible to snap photos from my Penthouse!! :lol: until today!!!! and the ERECT steel still there !!!

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Thanks Carlos for the pics to just saved me 2.50$ for the train ride.:banana:

Thanks Carlos for the pics to just saved me 2.50$ for the train ride.:banana:

That's what friends are for!!!!:wave:

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I am Newbie and haven't followed the thread ... really. Is it ok if I ask whether this tower (in the pics) is the one that's going to be build in NYC as replacement of the Twin Towers? Or is it still in the planning phase? Has descicions been made?

I am Newbie and haven't followed the thread ... really. Is it ok if I ask whether this tower (in the pics) is the one that's going to be build in NYC as replacement of the Twin Towers? Or is it still in the planning phase? Has descicions been made?

:gossip::badnews::uh::weirdo::omg::wtf::gaah::hammer::fiddle::fiddle::tyty::?:toilet::dunno::soapbox::shifty::goodnight:goodnight:old::tongue::clown::clown::baaa::baaa::ohno:

LOL

I am Newbie and haven't followed the thread ... really. Is it ok if I ask whether this tower (in the pics) is the one that's going to be build in NYC as replacement of the Twin Towers? Or is it still in the planning phase? Has descicions been made?

:nuts: yes this is the tower.....:)

I am Newbie and haven't followed the thread ... really. Is it ok if I ask whether this tower (in the pics) is the one that's going to be build in NYC as replacement of the Twin Towers? Or is it still in the planning phase? Has descicions been made?

Where were you in the last decade? Living in the cave? It is time for you to pay attention what is happening around the world. :ohno:

Come on peeps! :)

Welcome to the Forums jan1! Yes this and three other towers are under-construction as the replacement for the old WTC.

:gossip::badnews::uh::weirdo::omg::wtf::gaah::hammer::fiddle::fiddle::tyty::?:toilet::dunno::soapbox::shifty::goodnight:goodnight:old::tongue::clown::clown::baaa::baaa::ohno:

LoL

Does anyone know what the exact height of 1 wtc's obsv. deck will be?

For me, the most striking thing about the above pictures is not how big it is (albeit that's a nice fact), but rather its proportions: it's so wonderfully slender. The WFC buildings, by contrast, are fairly squat, particularly graceless when juxtaposed with the growing 1 WTC.

*edit* Ok, I'm a chuffing idiot: I was opining about pictures on the previous page!

Does anyone know what the exact height of 1 wtc's obsv. deck will be?

Yes.

Does anyone know what the exact height of 1 wtc's obsv. deck will be?

The observation deck will be at 1,362 feet (415 m) with a glass parapet extending to 1,368 feet (417 m) - the same heights as the original Twin Towers (South and North Tower respectively).

Yes.

Grr. Could you please give the information if someone asks for it, then?

Thanks for the info IanG :cheers:

Grr. Could you please give the information if someone asks for it, then?

When it's easily found on Wikipedia, it's not so hard to be a little self-sufficient sometimes and find info like that on your own.

When it's easily found on Wikipedia, it's not so hard to be a little self-sufficient sometimes and find info like that on your own.

So why bother answering it like that?

Optimum1368, there is a diagram that you may find helpful when differentiating between the "two" heights.
http://l.picoodle.com/549idxys.jpg

Thanks for the info IanG :cheers:

You're welcome, Kanto. ^^

When it's easily found on Wikipedia, it's not so hard to be a little self-sufficient sometimes and find info like that on your own.

And don't you think that you could have made it a little easier for the guy who asked? "415" is just as easy to write as "yes" :ohno:

^^ The late Zensteeldude posted that the observation deck will be at 1,266 ft / 385.9 meters. 1,362 ft is the roof height with the parapet going up another 6 feet; the observation deck is indoors so it has to be below that.

^^ The late Zensteeldude posted that the observation deck will be at 1,266 ft / 385.9 meters. 1,362 ft is the roof height with the parapet going up another 6 feet; the observation deck is indoors so it has to be below that.

The roof height is 1368 iirc. Though I could be wrong.

HA HA as you know fog had invaded Gotham for the last 3 days so it was almost impossible to snap photos from my Penthouse!! :lol: until today!!!! and the ERECT steel still there !!!

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Haven't you purchased that cloud-penetrating radar camera you said you were getting? At least pick up an Infrared SLR with a 1600mm lens... that's the least you could do for us slobs! :lol:

And that poor piece of steel looks so lonely. It is weird that the core scaffolding didn't go up before this piece.

With that lonely piece of steel, 1WTC has passed another milestone. I think I forgot to post the updated Lower Manhattan checklist on this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/SaOib.jpg (http://imgur.com/SaOib)
(Compiled from the Diagrams Page at SSP found here: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=8 )

The roof height is 1368 iirc. Though I could be wrong.

There won't be an observation deck on the roof.
There's some confusion about the roof height sometimes because of the parapet and changing standards on where to measure the height from. The building doesn't sit on level ground.

Haven't you purchased that cloud-penetrating radar camera you said you were getting? At least pick up an Infrared SLR with a 1600mm lens... that's the least you could do for us slobs! :lol:

And that poor piece of steel looks so lonely. It is weird that the core scaffolding didn't go up before this piece.


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boys on jet skiis

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Bonus pic: just wanted to share the latest addition to the LIC/Queens skyline....4615 !!! :)


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I don't know if this has being posted before but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVd2V58lnA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Great pics Carlos to think about it i don't think i have ever been to long island city should visit there someday looks like a nice place.

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Introducing the brand new queen of the skyline! :banana:

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hehe at least I am not alone in being positive about marriage equality. :banana:
Carlos how high do you think the tower will be in 29 days? I am hoping for at least a few more floor jumps. :)

Saweet Jeebus dems some hot pix up thur.

I don't know if this has being posted before but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVd2V58lnA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Looks really good, thanks for posting.

emmgtv989


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Carlos how high do you think the tower will be in 29 days? I am hoping for at least a few more floor jumps. :)

29 days? mmmmm i dunno perhaps another 8 floors added??

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Beautiful silver gleam off beakman

With that lonely piece of steel, 1WTC has passed another milestone. I think I forgot to post the updated Lower Manhattan checklist on this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/SaOib.jpg (http://imgur.com/SaOib)
(Compiled from the Diagrams Page at SSP found here: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=8 )

I find it kinda strange how the old buildings in NY are taller than the new ones. Only the WTC truly breaks this rule.

Great pics Carlos to think about it i don't think i have ever been to long island city should visit there someday looks like a nice place.

dude, i love where i live :) come visit i'll give you a tour! :cheers:

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The steel construction on the floors 69 and 70 looks very tight already!
I hope for new vertical steel until wednesday or thursday, then i`ll be in big apple the first time :):):):)

Now that's a cool view you got there!

Carlos, you managed to capture (in the early morning light) the only time I liked the look of the Beekman/Gehry nightmare. The facade actually looks almost nice in your recent photos.

Well done!

And Happy Pride and congratulations to New York for passing Gay Marriage!

Carlos, you managed to capture (in the early morning light) the only time I liked the look of the Beekman/Gehry nightmare. The facade actually looks almost nice in your recent photos.

Well done!

And Happy Pride and congratulations to New York for passing Gay Marriage!

:hi:
Good morning buddy, I woke up at 3:41 this AM, and was still up around 5:20am when i saw this view from my living room and the Beekman looked like a golden trophy, so pretty, so I snapped a few.....i'm glad you like it.

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29 days? mmmmm i dunno perhaps another 8 floors added??


I would love that to be true, it should be at 74th fl, only two more floors added to the current height (assuming that the current height is marked by that lonely core column).

Beekman looks as if it would have veins. I think it's an awesome building.

Wow, the tower is rising really fast, is it due to the good weather in NYC? Maybe the tower can top out on December 23rd after all! (The North Tower of the original WTC topped out on December 23rd, 1970)

And also congratulations to New York for getting same-sex marriages, this city is getting better and better! :)

Beekman looks as if it would have veins. I think it's an awesome building.
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Varicose Veins Building.

^^:omg:

http://i54.tinypic.com/jt7abq.jpg

Varicose Veins Building.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

I find it kinda strange how the old buildings in NY are taller than the new ones. Only the WTC truly breaks this rule.

Well, the old art deco style buildings are tall and skinny. The newer international and post modern style buildings are generally fat bastards as the diagram clearly demonstrates.

Although like Beekman, 1WTC will be an exception.

Now that I think about it. 1WTC has already beaten AIB and 40WS in roof height and, with it's cranes, it beats AIB and 40WS in pinnacle height too. So it is now the tallest building in lower Manhattan :cheers:

^^
Stop posting unsolicited advertisements!:bash:

ignore the ads. best way to deal with them. if it looks like there is no interest in the product then the seller will stop advertising here.

^^ Very sick, Kurtin.

So will the building be completed in early 2014?

^^ Very sick, Kurtin.

So will the building be completed in early 2014?

1WTC should be finished in 2013, from what I know.

1WTC should be finished in 2013, from what I know.

Oh. That's not so bad. I can't wait! :cheers:

^Due to the delays, I would say it'll be open for usage by 1Q 2014.

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^^ Very sick, Kurtin.

So will the building be completed in early 2014?

I believe it will be finished in late 2013, opening in early 2014.

Topping out should be completed around February of 2012 and soon after word construction of the spire should start and will take around six months to be completed, so my estament 1 wtc should be completed late 2012 or early 2013 and open around 2014.

Is it really going to take half a year to erect the spire? seems very very long time frame for that task.

Very sick, Kurtin.

lol.

[QUOTE=Kurtin]Is it really going to take half a year to erect the spire? seems very very long time frame for that task.


from what i remember reading from the the port authority web site its going take that long i could be worng.

Happy Gay Pride New York City :)

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I got to New York yesterday for my four day stay (not here for gay pride day, just here on holiday from Australia). Got an AMAZING view of 1WTC from the airplane, literally flew right over the top of it! It was right outside my window, I couldnt believe we flew right over lower manhattan...picture tells a thousand words I know, but couldnt take one as no electronics allowed on during landing :(.

The tower is clearly visible on foot from greenley square area, going to the site tomorrow, will hopefully get lots of photos. Can't wait!

Wow, beautiful :)

A million thanks for the gorgeous photo, TowersNYC.

Happy, Happy GAY PRIDE DAY to you ... and congratulations on the passage of legalized and recognized same-sex marriage in The Empire State!!! :)

Warmest greetings to The Big Apple from The City Of Brotherly Love!!! :hug:

does anyone know what the expected number of workers in this tower and the complex is expected to be? i think in the old complex it was around 50000 people and quite a few more visitors. is the new complex expected to have more or less?

does anyone know what the expected number of workers in this tower and the complex is expected to be? i think in the old complex it was around 50000 people and quite a few more visitors. is the new complex expected to have more or less?

According to Silverstein Properties, it is supposed to attract more visitors than the previous complex.

Also,

Silverstein: WTC Will Be The New Rockefeller Center
http://www.wtc.com/news/silverstein--wtc-will-be-the-new-rockefeller-center
After years of setbacks, construction at the World Trade Center site is advancing--but the best is yet to come, explained Larry Silverstein, president and CEO of Silverstein Properties, at the Real Estate Lenders Association's (RELA) final breakfast of their membership year at Seven World Trade Center this morning.

"I don't think most people are going to have a clue about what's to come, and when it does, you are going to see a transformation here overnight," Silverstein said. "The impact and transformation will be similar to what Rockefeller Center did in 1930 for Manhattan's West Side."

As the neighborhood comes back, the $20 billion redevelopment of the 16-acre site has also spurred development around it, including the MTA's new Fulton Street Transit Center, the $4 billion revamped PATH terminal, the 190-key Four Seasons Downtown Hotel and new multifamily structures sprouting up in nearby TriBeCa and Battery Park City. "The residential growth of this location is nothing short of phenomenal," Silverstein said, describing Lower Manhattan as an emerging 24/7, live/work community, with more than 60,000 families in the area. "It is the total opposite of what everybody anticipated after 9/11. People have decided to move in, and one of the reasons it is as attractive as it is, is because you have a total coming together of 13 mass transit lines."

But Silverstein also recalled the state of the neighborhood following the 9/11 attack, which sent a shockwave throughout the city and the nation as a whole. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey first made the World Trade Center site and utilities available again in April 2002, but Silverstein explained he was anxious to start rebuilding immediately. "We needed desperately to show some activity down here," Silverstein said. The first designs were drafted in late 2001. "We had to start some kind of rebuilding process. We had to take people who were totally demoralized back into a positive state."

And though initially criticized by Mayor Michael Bloomberg for charging $50 per square foot rents at the 52-story Seven World Trade Center, Silverstein said he wouldn't have it any other way. "I said, Mr. Mayor, this is my money, not public money," he said. "I am doing what I think is right, I am doing that today, and I will believe I will produce a successful result."

Subsequently, Seven World Trade got its first anchor tenant when Moody's Corp. signed a lease for the 11th to 28th floors in the building, which opened in May 2006. As a result, other tenants followed, including Ameriprise Financial, the New York Academy of Science and Mansueto Ventures LLC. Designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, it became the first LEED certified building in New York City.

And momentum is continuing to build. GlobeSt.com asked Silverstein if the signing of Conde Nast's one-million-square-foot lease at One World Trade Center could positively affect leasing at Three World Trade and Four World Trade. He responded that he anticipates lots of interest, though he did not disclose any potential tenants for Towers 3 or 4. Though unconfirmed, UBS AG is considering a move here, sources said.

"I think a corporation of that quality taking a million square feet opened everybody's eyes and they said, ‘Oh my god, what is going on?'" he said. "That had incredible significance. In terms of leasing activity, it has been nothing short of phenomenal."


And...

Population near ground zero doubles since 2000
http://www.wtc.com/news/population-near-ground-zero-doubles-since-2000
After the Sept. 11 attacks, there were grim questions about the future of the shaken, dust-covered neighborhoods around the World Trade Center. Would residents flee uptown or to the suburbs? Would the epic job of rebuilding lower Manhattan be too much to bear? Who would want to live so close to a place associated with such horror?

As it turns out, plenty of folks.

Census figures released last week show that the number of people living near ground zero has swelled by about 23,000 since 2000, making it one of the fastest-growing places in the city.

Virginia Lam, a publicist and former City Hall operative who moved into a newly converted residential building on Wall Street in 2006, said the site is a source of inspiration, rather than fear or gloom.

"It's pretty amazing," she said of the new towers rising from the 16-acre hole created by the attacks. "I feel like, being a New Yorker who was here on 9/11, and who has worked for the Fire Department and for the city, I think it is always in the back of my mind, but it's not something that dominates my thinking. I go about living my life."

About 45,750 people now live in the part of Manhattan south of Chambers Street, which encompasses ground zero. That is more than twice as many as there were during the last census.

There was also significant growth a little farther uptown. In all, 82,137 people were counted as living south of Canal Street, 15 blocks north of the trade center. That is an increase of 43 percent from 2000 in an area that includes the Financial District, Battery Park City, a section of tenement-packed Chinatown and the celebrity-studded streets of TriBeCa, which is short for "Triangle Below Canal."

The change around Wall Street has been especially remarkable given the area's history as a financial hub, rather than a residential district.

One by one, bank headquarters have moved elsewhere, and millions of square feet of office space have been converted to homes - a change spurred partly by government incentives intended to help revive downtown after Sept. 11.

"It's astounding," said Julie Menin, head of the local community board. "Many people thought after 9/11 that people wouldn't remain in Lower Manhattan. Not only did people stay, they came in droves."

New Yorkers have been well aware of the change. In the shell-shocked months after the attacks, the Financial District became a ghost town when workers left for the day. Now it is teeming with people around the clock. Grocery stores have opened. Three new schools have opened up in four years. Briefcase-carrying stockbrokers now share sidewalk space with kids in strollers. A string of new apartment towers has been built along West Street, a short distance from the trade center site.

The area isn't finished growing, either. Near the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge, work was recently completed on the tallest apartment tower in the Western Hemisphere, a 76-story, 900-unit skyscraper designed by the architect Frank Gehry.

Growth downtown has far exceeded the rate elsewhere in the city. The 2010 census put the city's population at 8.18 million, up 2.1 percent from 2000. People have been lured to Manhattan's southern tip by a number of things. Battery Park City, the planned community created on landfill at the edge of the Hudson River in the 1980s, is cut off from the car traffic that surges through the rest of Manhattan and is ringed by playgrounds and esplanades with exhilarating views of the harbor.

Before the attacks it was a work in progress, with a large section still unbuilt. Over the past decade, though, it has matured and filled up, finally becoming the community its designers envisioned in the 1970s.

Several of the area's public schools have a solid reputation. The area still isn't on par with other parts of the city when it comes to amenities like street parking or places to buy fresh vegetables, but things have been improving. New Battery Park City resident Theresa Purcell said its isolation - it is one of the few places in the city that really feels as if it is on an island - is one of the things that attracted her. "It is like a hidden little community," she said. "You are in the big, bad city," but still a "little world away."

Across much of the area, there are few remaining signs of the damage done by the terror attacks. Even the tumult of construction at the trade center site barely interrupts the daily flow of residents, office workers and tourists through the neighborhood.

"People should be proud of the fact that we rebuilt this neighborhood," Menin said. New Yorkers could have abandoned their experiment in downtown living after 9/11, but it didn't happen. "I think just the opposite happened. It proved our resilience."

wow this complex is awesome. seems like it is really going to intigrate into the city as a whole more than the previous complex. all that planned retail space seems like it is going to make this a pretty major hangout for tourists and natives in the city.

Oh my...

June 26th, ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

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[QUOTE=DinoVabec;80380442]June 26th, ZippyTheChimp

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Really looks impressive in this shot dino, it's towering into the sky now.

A million thanks for the gorgeous photo, TowersNYC.

Happy, Happy GAY PRIDE DAY to you ... and congratulations on the passage of legalized and recognized same-sex marriage in The Empire State!!! :)

Warmest greetings to The Big Apple from The City Of Brotherly Love!!! :hug:

Thanks Philly Bud, I enjoy taking the photos everyday...I can't wait to get another more powerful super long distance telephoto zoom lens for my birthday in 2 weeks!!! then you will notice a big difference in detail from far away!!!

yours truly a Mets fan

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Great progress! I love this tower :banana:

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Wow, very impressive! I wish Chicago Spire could be built too.

Wow, very impressive! I wish Chicago Spire could be built too.

Well I was never a fan of the Spire so it didn't bother me when it was cancelled, and quite frankly, though it would have been taller than 1WTC, I would feel kinda sorry for Chicago as for me, the design was just so horrible. For me 7 South Dearborn, and the Miglin-Beitler Skyneedle were way way nicer and I'd very much rather have a tower like those.

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Here's that lonely column hidden on the PA webcam but clearly visible on Carlos' update:
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ha ha just snapped this one, and to my surpirse i was able to capture at least these two guys wearing hard hats, yellow vests!!! check it out!!!!

also more scaffold erected

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^^^ great shots there. the last one of Otie's shows what a beast this thing is !:banana::cheers::cheers:

The two guys pictured in Carlos' last pic really gives you an idea of the sheer size of this building, and it's not even complete yet. Have they decided what they are going to do with the base?

Does anyone have any idea what is going on with the southeast corner of the base? You can see it on the PA's webcam..

The guys working on Tower 4 are making the boys at tower 2 look slow!

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^^ taken with an i-phone by me from grenwich village in a cab on the way to the site about 30 mins ago. Beautiful day in NYC and after following this construction for the past 18 months online I wanted to make my own contribution to this thread!

I can't wait to see this!
I don't remember who posted the image before...
http://i20.tinypic.com/349aved.jpg

some progress since this morning.... :)


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Great. That is a prelude to the vertical steel going up, probably on Wednesday.

Thanks so much for all the frequent updates Carlos. I really appreciate them as, I am sure, do other.

BTW, can't wait until the cladding comes into few from your vantagepoint. Should be by sometime in August I think.

mmmmm maybe just maybe they should turn the spire into a Zeppelin mooring mast!!! :nuts:

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Great. That is a prelude to the vertical steel going up, probably on Wednesday.

Thanks so much for all the frequent updates Carlos. I really appreciate them as, I am sure, do other.

BTW, can't wait until the cladding comes into few from your vantagepoint. Should be by sometime in August I think.

hey thanks man, my tripod is always pointing in that direction! and me too i cant wait to see the glass reflecting the sun at sunrise!!!!

Carlos I think were all just as excited as you! waiting for your new telephoto zoom lens camera for your birthday! lol can't wait to see the difference, should be able to take some right snaps of the beast that is 1world trade !

Didn't we just have new steel go up like 4 days ago?

By myself at the site today 27th June, 2011

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Had a great time viewing the site down there today, this thing dwarfs 7WTC!

Bet your having a ball spiller. wish i was there! enjoy it.

Does anyone know the exact height right now?

Bet your having a ball spiller. wish i was there! enjoy it.

Sure am Dave! Last time I was here in 2008 it was still underground so it was great to finally see it in the flesh after following it online. Maybe next time I'm back two or three towers will be built!

From The Gothamist:

On Friday, we went down to the World Trade Center site to see how construction of 1 World Trade Center and the 9/11 Memorial is progressing. It's striking how much progress there has been since April last year, when we last visited: The plaza and 9/11 museum pavilion seem nearly complete, and 1 WTC is officially a skyscraper, rising more than 70 stories above Ground Zero and visible for miles around.

We asked Chris Ward, the Executive Director of the Port Authority, how so much had gotten done this year. Through a spokesman, he told us "We are building a city within a city. Three years ago, we decided where this project should be on the 10th Anniversary and every year after. Establish clear goals and priorities, then harness the imagination and ingenuity of our builders - that has been the path to progress." Those builders now include more than 3,000 construction workers— the most who have ever been working at the site.

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Lots more images on the link below:
http://gothamist.com/2011/06/27/exclusive_world_trade_center_progre.php#photo-21

Thanks for the updates Carlos. And congrats to gay pride day. I know, I'm a bit late, but better late than never. I'm a heterosexual, but I think everybody should have the same rights :cheers:

Does anyone know the exact height right now?

can't be exact, but including the new steel, about 883 feet and 8 inches - taller than Beekman.

Does anyone know the exact height right now?

That one lonely piece of steel at the top brings it to the 72nd floor. 880 feet, plus about 4 more for the splice, so ~884 feet.

270m

Great pictures, this tower (and the entire project) will be awesome :cheers:

You make good job Carlos.

I like scrapers of clouds in new york and I am daily here. I was in zone in 2002 year zero and there I will return as it build :)

I greetings from poland from bydgoszcz:)

I apologize for my english!

wow I get shocked never thought this is actually under construction you know how economic is so bad this days!

Carlos I think were all just as excited as you! waiting for your new telephoto zoom lens camera for your birthday! lol can't wait to see the difference, should be able to take some right snaps of the beast that is 1world trade !

the lens is over a grand... :( but i'll get it

Thanks for the updates Carlos. And congrats to gay pride day. I know, I'm a bit late, but better late than never. I'm a heterosexual, but I think everybody should have the same rights :cheers:

No one should tolerate discrimation of any kind...

You make good job Carlos.

I like scrapers of clouds in new york and I am daily here. I was in zone in 2002 year zero and there I will return as it build :)

I greetings from poland from bydgoszcz:)

I apologize for my english!


thanks guys...wow i'm really flattered all the way from Poland too!!!

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Now there is in poland before 3.00 in night. I am daily about this hour on skyscrapercity.com :)

You make good job Carlos.

I like scrapers of clouds in new york and I am daily here. I was in zone in 2002 year zero and there I will return as it build :)

I greetings from poland from bydgoszcz:)

I apologize for my english!

no need to apologize, we understand and i'm glad you love NY!

I can still remember when we talked about 1WTC beating 7WTC in height. And now it is so much taller than 7WTC. This giant rises so quickly, that it'll be topped out before we'll be able to say "One World Trade Center" :banana2:

List of tallest buildings in New York City

Empire State Building------------------1,250 ft. /381 m
Bank of America Tower-----------------1,200 ft. / 366 m
Chrysler Building-----------------------1,050 ft. / 320 m
New York Times Building---------------1,046 ft. / 319 m
American International Building-------952 ft. / 290 m
40 Wall Street-------------------------927 ft. / 283 m
Citigroup Center-----------------------915 ft. / 279 m
One WTC----------------------------880 ft. / 269 m (at the moment, to date)

Now HD-Cam(http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm) is gone. Anyone got another link? :s

Now HD-Cam(http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm) is gone. Anyone got another link? :s

Damn, why are almost all cameras out? :ohno:

Only these two (or three) are still online for as I know:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

Thanks Philly Bud, I enjoy taking the photos everyday...I can't wait to get another more powerful super long distance telephoto zoom lens for my birthday in 2 weeks!!! then you will notice a big difference in detail from far away!!!
What lens are you using now, and what do you plan on getting, if you don't mind me asking? Your current lens looks to have a pretty strong magnification already.

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I can't quite tell, is that two more levels coming up, without the external beams first?

This tower will be amazing and it looks very nice already, but do someone know when it's going to reach roof height?



:cheers:


:)

31m and LM will have a supertall again :-)

List of tallest buildings in New York City

Empire State Building------------------1,250 ft. /381 m
Bank of America Tower-----------------1,200 ft. / 366 m
Chrysler Building-----------------------1,050 ft. / 320 m
New York Times Building---------------1,046 ft. / 319 m
American International Building-------952 ft. / 290 m
40 Wall Street-------------------------927 ft. / 283 m
Citigroup Center-----------------------915 ft. / 279 m
One WTC----------------------------880 ft. / 269 m (at the moment, to date)

what's the list look like if you use roof height?

Lots more images on the link below:
http://gothamist.com/2011/06/27/exclusive_world_trade_center_progre.php#photo-21

Great finding! I'll post them:

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The Gateway (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idcomics/5878554297/) by J Kastner Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/idcomics/), on Flickr

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Photo by Larissa Escobar (http://www.flickr.com/photos/larissaescobar/)

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The under-construction Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/etyek/5879556319/) by etyek (http://www.flickr.com/people/etyek/), on Flickr

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ixtayul/5879506013/) by ixtayul (http://www.flickr.com/people/ixtayul/), on Flickr

:cry: they grow up so fast!

Its good to see the cladding going so well. Do people usually start occupying the lower floors before the whole tower is complete like ICC in Hong Kong?

Lots of steel arrived this morning. We should see some new steel up today.

what's the list look like if you use roof height?

By roof height:


Empire State Building------------------1,250 ft. / 381 m (antena spire: 1,454 ft / 443.2 m)
Bank of America Tower-----------------945 ft / 287.9 m
40 Wall Street-------------------------927 ft. / 283 m (no data for roof, only this one. And it doesn't exactly have an antenna)
Chrysler Building-----------------------925 ft / 282 m
Citigroup Center-----------------------915 ft. / 279 m
American International Building-------850 ft / 260 m
New York Times Building---------------748 ft / 228 m
One WTC----------------------------880 ft. / 269 m (at the moment, to date)

what's the list look like if you use roof height?
I'd like to know this too...I can't believe BOA is 2nd tallest in the city, it's right outside my hotel window and you can barely see it amongst the density here in midtown theatre district. It really is a cheater :(. At least 1WTC will be tallest to roof as well as spire when complete!

EDIT: beaten above! Wow, that just shows NYC really is a city with spires :lol:

^^ The 381 meter figure is such a hoax.

Why is it a hoax for you?

BOA 945 without the spire. So if your not counting spires it's still the second tallest building in the city. And to make a point, the grey part of ESB is the spire which raises 1,250 feet. The crap on top of that is the antenna, which makes it 1,454 feet

BOA 945 without the spire. So if your not counting spires it's still the second tallest building in the city. And to make a point, the grey part of ESB is the spire which raises 1,250 feet. The crap on top of that is the antenna, which makes it 1,454 feet

1 WTC will be even worse, when it will be finished. With:

Antenna spire.......1,776 ft / 541.32 m
Roof...................1,368 ft / 417 m

Only Antenna spire height will be: 408 ft. / 124 m

The ESB height of 1250 is legit as people go to that height.

But this all does show how by roof height the WTC complex will transform how many buildings NYC has over 1,000 feet.

In fact, if it were built before the WTC 1 even 57 Carnegie would be the second tallest building in the city by roof height.

So NYC isn't in great shape by roof height right now but things should improve dramatically over the next 5 years or so

I do realize that people go to that height. It's just the whole spire vs roof discussion has a background of differentiating towers with usable floors in their height from those, that change from regular floors to a spire made purely for height's sake. When you look at ESB it ends around 320m, and then a spire starts. Just because you can actually get into the lower part of it makes it count, while there can be no arguement that this is just a spire, with no real usable floors. It's unfair to towers like Chrysler, for example.

Lots of steel arrived this morning. We should see some new steel up today.

Here you go!!!

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Yes, I understand your point but please remember that part of the ESB was not built for decorative purposes - it was built for dirigibles to dock to and load and unload passengers.

Also, it is still used every day - that is an observation deck that tourists go to. If you can't count observation decks then you can't count the top of lots of buildings such as the old WTC, the Sears building, etc. I would imagine the very stop floors of the Chrysler building before the spire begins are quite small and maybe no one goes there.

So yes it is small and not true office space but I think it is fair to count it in roof height comparisons. But of course this is my subjective opinion and others may view it differently.

Hi from Spain! I’ve created a profile because I wanted to THANK YOU for your daily updates, especially to Carlos (we’re all waiting for your new birthday’s present) and Otie (I don’t know where you get all those pics). I’ve been following this thread for a long time because I love skyscrapers and, of course, New York, that’s why I plan to move to this city in 2 years, nearly when it’s finished.:lol:

Now some question:
-Why isn’t there cladding on the base of the tower yet?
-Won’t there be a 6WTC finally?
-Any design of the 5WTC?

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Now some question:
-Why isn’t there cladding on the base of the tower yet?
-Won’t there be a 6WTC finally?
-Any design of the 5WTC?[/QUOTE]

1. They aren't putting cladding on the base of WTC 1 yet because it would interfere with delivery to the upper floors, podium glass instillation will begin next year.

2. There aren't yet any plans for a 6 WTC.

3. Yes. There is a design for a WTC. Look on Wikipedia and type ' 5 WTC' or 130 liberty Street'. It will show you the design. However, construction has not yet begun because construction of another WTC project, the Vehicular Security Center & Bus Parking Facilities has begun. There are no plans for actual construction on WTC 5 to begin. But there is a design ready to go.

Hi from Spain! I’ve created a profile because I wanted to THANK YOU for your daily updates, especially to Carlos (we’re all waiting for your new birthday’s present) and Otie (I don’t know where you get all those pics). I’ve been following this thread for a long time because I love skyscrapers and, of course, New York, that’s why I plan to move to this city in 2 years, nearly when it’s finished.:lol:

Now some question:
-Why isn’t there cladding on the base of the tower yet?
-Won’t there be a 6WTC finally?
-Any design of the 5WTC?

1. The cladding on the base was very difficult to manufacture, (meaning it broke a lot) so until they come up with a better type of glass, the base will be without cladding.

2. I believe the WTC Memorial is to be known as 6 WTC.

3. 5 WTC is currently on hold if I am not mistaken.

1. They aren't putting cladding on the base of WTC 1 yet because it would interfere with delivery to the upper floors, podium glass instillation will begin next year.


Does that mean just after the building tops out, or after the building tops out with all of the cladding and spire in place?

Probably after all the cladding and after the spire's in place. It says on WTCProgress.com that glass for the base will be installed next year though.

have they finally decided on what they doing with the base? what they using?

1 WTC will be even worse, when it will be finished. With:

Antenna spire.......1,776 ft / 541.32 m
Roof...................1,368 ft / 417 m

Only Antenna spire height will be: 408 ft. / 124 m

I take comfort in the fact, that if memory serves, the spire is only 48 feet taller than the North Tower antenna...

Let's it grows and it grows, it needs high something dwontown

Yes, I understand your point but please remember that part of the ESB was not built for decorative purposes - it was built for dirigibles to dock to and load and unload passengers.

Also, it is still used every day - that is an observation deck that tourists go to. If you can't count observation decks then you can't count the top of lots of buildings such as the old WTC, the Sears building, etc. I would imagine the very stop floors of the Chrysler building before the spire begins are quite small and maybe no one goes there.

So yes it is small and not true office space but I think it is fair to count it in roof height comparisons. But of course this is my subjective opinion and others may view it differently.

Nobody goes to the 102nd floor observation deck in the ESB. It's been closed since they put the antenna up. Something about radio waves and frying people's brains. It's still a real floor so it counts as an observation deck even if nobody goes there but techs. The mooring was a complete flop and I don't even think they got more than a couple of ships moored. Winds were too high and some people had issues with walking across a footbridge 1000 feet above the pavement. Go figure.

Whether or not to count the spire on a building seems to be a big point of contention among those of us who care about such things. I'm not a fan of counting the spire, especially now that there are so many buildings with them. It seems like a cheat. If you want to build the tallest building, then build the tallest building. Don't just build a tall building with the biggest flagpole. As far as I'm concerned there are only two categories:

1. Tallest building to the top of the roof. Observation decks count. Build this and you get to be tallest building.

2. Highest leased space. When you build the tallest building, part of the bonus is that you get to call your top floor "the highest office space" and charge accordingly.

^^ LOL strange that you say NODOBY goes up to the 102nd allthough i almost went up there as i was at the 86th floor Ob deck and they still sell tkts for it here: https://ticketing.esbnyc.com/Webstore/Content.aspx?Kind=LandingPage . haha Stick to the facts pls.

Hi from Spain! I’ve created a profile because I wanted to THANK YOU for your daily updates, especially to Carlos (we’re all waiting for your new birthday’s present).......

:hi:



Thanks Javi, now i got friends in Croatia, Poland and now Spain :) my birthday is July 11, I still havent decided which lens to get.....all I know it has to be powerful!



I am roughly 2 miles in a straight line but 8 miles driving distance from the WTC site

below pic taken at 300mm (original photo cropped and enlarged)

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below taken at 55mm original non cropped picture

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Thanks for the consistent updates, Carlos. Keep up the great work!

We want more steel every day! :lol:

Folks, if you want to truly compare heights, go to skyscraperpage and see their diagrams. Here is a link: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=8

This also shows that the roof height of 40 Wall Street is approximately 265 meters. This means that it's roof is smaller than that of the Chrysler Building, of the City Group Center and of Beekman.

As to the debate what is the roof of the Empire State Building, it all depends on where the stories, below the 102 observation deck, are. If they are in what looks as a spire, then it really is the roof. But if they are not, if floor 101 is below what appears to be the spire, then we have here a phenomenon I call "fake roof". If this situation is the case, then 330 meters is the real roof height, 381 meters is the fake roof height and 444 is the pinnacle height.

We can see an example of a fake roof at the abomination Libeskind created. There 346 meters is the real roof, 457 meters is the fake roof and 541 meters is the pinnacle:
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Images/US/NY/NYC/FreedomTower-002.jpg

Please, somebody who was there tell me where floors like 100 and 101 are? Are they below the 102 observation deck or are they far below it?

And as to my opinion about height measurements. I completely ignore the official measurement of spires yes, but antennas not. It has absolutely no logic to it. I view roof height as the primary measurement and pinnacle height and top floor height as secondary measurements.

I was looking through all the old designs of 1 wtc while looking through the original designs i noticed that 1 wtc was going to be 610 meters tall,wondering why did they decreased the height of 1 wtc wished they kept it at 610 meters.:ohno:

...
Please, somebody who was there tell me where floors like 100 and 101 are? Are they below the 102 observation deck or are they far below it?...

The ESB thread at SSP has many answers for questions like that...

The elevator and flights of stairs that go from the 86th floor observation level to 102 would equal the height of 16 floors. So they called it 102, but there are no actual floors there, other than staircase landings.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8215/11esbn3a.jpg(Courtesy NYGuy at SSP ESB thread found here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=149360 )

So it's like an observation tower built on top of a skyscraper. This means that 381 meters are indeed a fake roof height. After all, an observation tower is no skyscraper. The real roof height should be 330 meters.

it is a thoroughly integrated component of the building that can be internally traversed, therefore it counts in the roof height.

it is a thoroughly integrated component of the building that can be internally traversed, therefore it counts in the roof height.

Yeah, but where are the missing 15 stories?

imagine the floors are invisible.
try not to discuss esb in this thread too much though, it is about 1wtc after all.

I do realize that people go to that height. It's just the whole spire vs roof discussion has a background of differentiating towers with usable floors in their height from those, that change from regular floors to a spire made purely for height's sake. When you look at ESB it ends around 320m, and then a spire starts. Just because you can actually get into the lower part of it makes it count, while there can be no arguement that this is just a spire, with no real usable floors. It's unfair to towers like Chrysler, for example.

Unfair to the chrysler building how? Chrysler the first building to steal WTB with a spire. And ESB over 200 feet taller than it. You can't say ESB got to be WTB because of it's spire.

Don't observation tower like CN tower have floor counts. The same rule apply for ESB spire.

Speaking of spires. Does anybody know if 1WTC spire, will change colors at night like, BOA spire?

http://www.dxbae.com/images/1wtc1.jpg
http://www.dxbae.com/images/1wtc2.jpg
http://www.dxbae.com/images/1wtc3.jpg
http://www.dxbae.com/images/1wtc4.jpg

Hi everyone im new to this site, i enjoy all of the amazing photos you all post thanks! From Buffalo New York.

I'm starting to like the bare red steel at the bottom... Very red, white, and blue.

god that cladding is gorgeous :)

Lookin very sexy 1wtc.

Question: does the tower taper off a bit towards the top, or is it plum vertical on all sides? Some renders suggest tapering, others don't.

Lookin very sexy 1wtc.

Question: does the tower taper off a bit towards the top, or is it plum vertical on all sides? Some renders suggest tapering, others don't.
the tower (above the base portion) has 8 sides. as it rises, 4 of the sides do not taper but go straight up, and the other 4 sides taper as they rise.

Nice to see you North America side, Gerald.

The ESB thread at SSP has many answers for questions like that...

The elevator and flights of stairs that go from the 86th floor observation level to 102 would equal the height of 16 floors. So they called it 102, but there are no actual floors there, other than staircase landings.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8215/11esbn3a.jpg(Courtesy NYGuy at SSP ESB thread found here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=149360 )

...I have to make an observation here, even tho we are a bit OT. It's very fortunate the airship plan didn't work out. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Hindenberg had blown up here, rather than in New Jersey? Oh the humanity!

Looking at the drawing, it's obvious the ESB's hieght should count all the way to the top (where the airship is moored). It's obvious it was intended to be a functional part of the building.

GreenwichBoy, WiredNewYork..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13432&d=1309323860

Nice to see you North America side, Gerald.

Cheers Matt. It was only a very quick visit (well, quick to NY - I was in Vegas for a couple of weeks) and I didn't have my 'proper' camera kit with me.

Hope to be back in the greatest city in the world sometime soon :)

:cheers:

whats the small crane protruding out of the tower is the last photo ?

The glass reflects its beauty :cool:

http://i55.tinypic.com/os8q9z.jpg

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What One World Trade Center looks like so far (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dionhinchcliffe/5884012199/) by dionhinchcliffe (http://www.flickr.com/people/dionhinchcliffe/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5076/5876924044_37882e1af8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5876924044/)
Rainbow on 34th Street (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5876924044/) by RBudhu (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5879128553_22f22e7f83_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anitavicente/5879128553/)
Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anitavicente/5879128553/) by anitavi (http://www.flickr.com/people/anitavicente/), on Flickr

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Photos by Madeline68 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23956233@N04/) on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5275/5878554297_ef9d64c1b6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idcomics/5878554297/)
The Gateway (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idcomics/5878554297/) by J Kastner Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/idcomics/), on Flickr

Cheers Matt. It was only a very quick visit (well, quick to NY - I was in Vegas for a couple of weeks) and I didn't have my 'proper' camera kit with me.

Hope to be back in the greatest city in the world sometime soon :)

:cheers:

Hope you can make it up to Toronto soon. We have many projects that could use your cunning eye and talent. I could tell it wasn't your main kit. You've got that main kit down to a science based off of those Dubai pics. Keep it up mate.

Otie, You always deliver . . great pics!

Second pick from the bottom shows clearly the tapering of WTC1. At its base you can see it to the left side of the World Financial Center building. But as it goes up you can't see it as it tapers and is blocked by the WFC building. This thing is going to be tiny by the time it reaches its full height :-(

Second pick from the bottom shows clearly the tapering of WTC1. At its base you can see it to the left side of the World Financial Center building. But as it goes up you can't see it as it tapers and is blocked by the WFC building. This thing is going to be tiny by the time it reaches its full height :-(


And talking about perspective... An image should explain it.
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6862/perspectives.jpg

Not that "tinny", the LQ diagram above can give you an idea of how the "worst" angle should look. :okay:

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Rainbow on 34th Street (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5876924044/) by RBudhu (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr



I loved this picture, for us Brazilians, New York remains the capital of the world.

Otie and Carlos, your photos are incredible.

I see them all day.



Leopoldo
Sao Paulo

i joined because i become a fan Carlos.
waiting for your next pic after the 11 of july



Thanks Javi, now i got friends in Croatia, Poland and now Spain :) my birthday is July 11, I still havent decided which lens to get.....all I know it has to be powerful!



I am roughly 2 miles in a straight line but 8 miles driving distance from the WTC site

below pic taken at 300mm (original photo cropped and enlarged)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5309/5882015645_30e56f714b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5882015645/)
DSC_0880 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5882015645/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr
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below taken at 55mm original non cropped picture

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DSC_0881 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5882594250/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr[/QUOTE]

:wave: Hi Leopoldo....Oi, beleza?

thanks JUSTMEHERE LOL I have fans now!!, i bought the lens!!! delivery will be sometime next week, but next week i go away for a full week so you wont see my daily updates!!! until i return!!!

The Rise To The Top

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DSC_0884 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993849/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr


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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5884993417_dbbcc4b131_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993417/)
DSC_0882 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993417/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

nice :cheers:

:wave: Hi Leopoldo....Oi, beleza?

The Rise To The Top

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6029/5884993717_fa529032cf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993717/)
DSC_0883 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993717/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr.

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DSC_0884 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993849/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr


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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5884993417_dbbcc4b131_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993417/)
DSC_0882 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5884993417/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr


Hi carlos I see your photos and those of Otie, which are home getting better.



Sorry for my bad English.

whats the small crane protruding out of the tower is the last photo ?
that crane slides up and service the northwest of the tower for materials.

Carlos, given that next week no vertical steel is planned your vacation is officially approved. But please be back by July 11th so we can see the new floors going up :-) You have us spoiled do you can't abandon us now :-)

Thanks for the pics today. They are great, as usual.

PANYNJ on Twitter

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Skylobby:
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http://a.yfrog.com/img739/5357/eg3vg.jpg

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The water looks amazing in that fountain...

Oh god, is there a problem between SSC and Flickr again? I'm not able to see most of the pictures...

I agree, the north pool looks great, hope its like that all the time. :) Also, in that same pic, the second from the bottom, what is the light blue stuff above and to the right of the south pool?

@FCU: Me too =/
North pool looks great.
Is it still planned that the tower 'll be T/0 in the end of 2011?

^^ IDk if its planned, but its very likely that it will.

Does anybody know what happened to the Discovery cam's (on WTC7) the site is out!

as usual let me know if my diagram is wrong
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6921/wtcjune30.jpg

wow looks like just 5 more jumps to go and 1 wtc will be a supertall. 5 jumps= ~10 weeks? getting close.

I guess it will be a supertall at the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

I guess it will be a supertall at the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

From what I've heard the frame (exterior) will completed and at its total hight by the 10th anniversary of 9-11. I've got a great view of the construction from the battery park from 30 floors up. I'll try and take a photo to upload here

^^ for the looks of this. WTC4 could be completed before WTC1.

Carlos, given that next week no vertical steel is planned your vacation is officially approved. But please be back by July 11th so we can see the new floors going up :-) You have us spoiled do you can't abandon us now :-)

Thanks for the pics today. They are great, as usual.

:) It's gonna feel weird not contributing for a whole week here at SSC but I will be back on Monday the 11th, which happens to be my birthday!!!!and with a new more powerful telephoto lens!!!

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DSC_0886 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5886187596/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Make sure you are....WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. :lol:

1 wtc should hit the 1,000 foot mark around or a little after 9/11

I think I can see it out the window now. I live like 15 miles away in a straight line so it just looks like a box among other boxes, I think it's 1WTC because it's large and it definitely wasn't there before (among other reasons). I'll know for sure once it gets taller. If it is this'll be my first time seeing it.

Anyways, this thing is growing rapidly. 880 feet means it's super close to the halfway mark.

Anyways, this thing is growing rapidly. 880 feet means it's super close to the halfway mark.It actually is over the half way mark when you remove the spire

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5886297050_5a5d8b8c29_b.jpg

I still prefer the 2WTC, its design is much better IMO :) But I can´t wait till it´s finished, 1WTC is much better than the original twins :cheers:

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I see workers are filling and eaqualing the floor with concrete. Will this be just a sidewalk or road for cars and parking?
http://www.shrani.si/f/1p/Ku/3X1WchM9/ff.jpg

This will be Liberty Street..

site plan from http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/wtc-site-plan.html

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/img/site_plan_north.jpg

as usual let me know if my diagram is wrong
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6921/wtcjune30.jpg

This is a great diagram! Keep them coming.

I see workers are filling and eaqualing the floor with concrete. Will this be just a sidewalk or road for cars and parking?
http://www.shrani.si/f/1p/Ku/3X1WchM9/ff.jpg

There does not seem to be any reinforcement in this concrete so i doubt it will be for vehicles as it would be too weak.

I must be wrong then if the diagram shows it as being Liberty Street!!!

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DSC_0890 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5886884609/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Streets are not made from concrete..There will be a couple of more layers of material before they lay asphalt as the final layer..

Good morning NY.....


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DSC_0897 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5886919073/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

There does not seem to be any reinforcement in this concrete so i doubt it will be for vehicles as it would be too weak.

I must be wrong then if the diagram shows it as being Liberty Street!!!

It's a street...not wrong

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2011-06-29 27 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5885732093/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/), on Flickr

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2011-06-22 21 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5861255271/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/), on Flickr

Unfair to the chrysler building how? Chrysler the first building to steal WTB with a spire. And ESB over 200 feet taller than it. You can't say ESB got to be WTB because of it's spire.

Don't observation tower like CN tower have floor counts. The same rule apply for ESB spire.

If so, where are the floors 87-101? From what I understand the 86 floor is the observation deck on the ROOF, then there is a spire with "imaginary floors", and then - BAM! level 102, observatory. This is what I think makes a 381 figure kinda hoaxy.

To illustrate, here is a quick drawing of two towers:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7715/roofj.png

The first one has 60 4m floors, 240 m total. The second has a 320 spire growing out of 40 floor (160 m) base, with an observation deck around 270m. Is it a 41 floor biulding? Or if I say that the spire with stairs and lifts and numberplates is actually 30 floors tall, but those floors are mechanical floors, it will actually make the second tower 71 floors? That is my point. Now imagine a third tower, without the observation deck, but WITH the same spire. Here are the roof heights: we would get a 240m tower, a 275m, and a 160. A hoax? Absolutely.

1. Will there be any grass surface between those trees as shown in plans or. not?
2. Great I see the stairs at the edge of the park.
3. When will this pool be empty? I heard somewhere in June should be empty or very soon, isn't it?
4. And some stairs going underground? Where, to subway, cross the street?

http://www.shrani.si/f/46/uX/39ShdumV/bvvv.jpg

3. When will this pool be empty? I heard somewhere in June should be empty or very soon, isn't it?


I heard in the middle of July.. anyway, it is emptying slowly but steadily

latest pic by GreenwichBoy, WNY:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13431&d=1309323766

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/5868921775_1710fa5769_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5024/5887508964_5751888ef1_b.jpg

Photo by Ray() (http://www.flickr.com/photos/raymondoh/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5314/5881145632_25d315f619_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eeoor/5881145632/)
1 World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eeoor/5881145632/) by Eeoor (http://www.flickr.com/people/eeoor/), on Flickr

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Photo by Wing1O1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wing101/)

If so, where are the floors 87-101? From what I understand the 86 floor is the observation deck on the ROOF, then there is a spire with "imaginary floors", and then - BAM! level 102, observatory. This is what I think makes a 381 figure kinda hoaxy.

To illustrate, here is a quick drawing of two towers:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7715/roofj.png

The first one has 60 4m floors, 240 m total. The second has a 320 spire growing out of 40 floor (160 m) base, with an observation deck around 270m. Is it a 41 floor biulding? Or if I say that the spire with stairs and lifts and numberplates is actually 30 floors tall, but those floors are mechanical floors, it will actually make the second tower 71 floors? That is my point. Now imagine a third tower, without the observation deck, but WITH the same spire. Here are the roof heights: we would get a 240m tower, a 275m, and a 160. A hoax? Absolutely.

That is an opinion. Others wouldn't necessarily share it. I go by what is the highest floor people actually go to. But again everyone can have their own opinion which is why we have to give various measures of height, there is no one standard that everyone agrees on.

Carlos, great pic. The side crane is now fully visible. If we can get a good shot of how far below it the cladding is we can calculate how long until you start seeing cladding.

If so, where are the floors 87-101? From what I understand the 86 floor is the observation deck on the ROOF, then there is a spire with "imaginary floors", and then - BAM! level 102, observatory. This is what I think makes a 381 figure kinda hoaxy.

To illustrate, here is a quick drawing of two towers:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7715/roofj.png

The first one has 60 4m floors, 240 m total. The second has a 320 spire growing out of 40 floor (160 m) base, with an observation deck around 270m. Is it a 41 floor biulding? Or if I say that the spire with stairs and lifts and numberplates is actually 30 floors tall, but those floors are mechanical floors, it will actually make the second tower 71 floors? That is my point. Now imagine a third tower, without the observation deck, but WITH the same spire. Here are the roof heights: we would get a 240m tower, a 275m, and a 160. A hoax? Absolutely.

I think I'd say the ESB is 381m tall with 87 floors.

Carlos, great pic. The side crane is now fully visible. If we can get a good shot of how far below it the cladding is we can calculate how long until you start seeing cladding.

The cladding is now almost fully installed at the 46th floor. Implying the 62nd floor is the first floor visible above 7 WTC, and assuming that the glass is being installed at the pace of one floor per week, the cladding should be above 7 WTC in 16 weeks (62-46), around mid October. In Carlos' pictures, there is a small part of the building visible to the right, which begins at the 53rd floor, so cladding should be visible there in 7 weeks, around mid August! :banana:

I'm not sure about all this, it's just an implication :D

I think I'd say the ESB is 381m tall with 87 floors.

I can't agree on this one since I've been on the 102nd floor myself, so.......

I heard in the middle of July.. anyway, it is emptying slowly but steadily

latest pic by GreenwichBoy, WNY:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13431&d=1309323766

So what is going on at that site right now? Is tower 5 under construction?

I can't agree on this one since I've been on the 102nd floor myself, so.......

I'd argue that you've been on the 87th floor. I've only just learnt all this though. I just assumed there were 102 full floors continuing up the spire.

I know this is off topic, but talking about all this misleading floor number stuff, I've always wondered how it works in a Trump building, particular the Trump World Tower, where the advertised number of floors and the floors listed in the elevator far exceeds the actual number of floors. Especially in the elevator, how do they pull this illusion off? Is there just a 20 floor chunk that is missed out?

So what is going on at that site right now? Is tower 5 under construction?

No, they are excavating for the vehicle security center (VSC), which is running through the site..

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/vehicle-security-center.html

What will be build on top of it is not decided yet as far as I know..

I can't agree on this one since I've been on the 102nd floor myself, so.......

Numbering is irrelevant. Just ask the Chinese :) We are talking about usable floors. But this is off-topic, I just presented my point and hopefully explained it well enough. As it was said, others may, or may not share my point of view.

Anyway, back to 1WTC.

Cant wait to see it complete.
Last time I was there was March and I must say it is looking good.
Good work guys.

^^ Look, it always depends. Let's say that a normal floor of 1WTC is 13'4'' (= 4,06400m). 417 : ~ 4,064 = 102,6. So 1WTC is actually a skyscraper with 102 floors, well at least that's the way I see it. Same goes for ESB.

Some of my photos taken yesterday...(6/29/2011)
Part I:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5610.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5612.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5615.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5620.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5641.jpg

more steel!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5638.jpg

and more!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5663.jpg

and even more! :banana:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5688.jpg

Part II:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5668.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5681.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5684.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5699.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5706.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/IMG_5718.jpg

^^

Very nice pictures, the glass is looking so great lately!

Great action shots of steel getting hauled up.

Guess you stood there and watched the action for a while. Lucky you!!

^^
Yeah, I'm on the site usually twice a month, but actually that was the first time when I had an opportunity to watch some action!! :) Quite a nice experience!

For me the one of the steel beam being hauled up past the glass is an instant classic.

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