Is that a beam sticking out for the next two floors already?

a lot of already

just wow.

Is that a beam sticking out for the next two floors already?

YES!! it is !!!

so it has become even taller..I guess they figuered Sept 11 is around the corner, they need to step it up

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YES!! it is !!!

so it has become even taller..I guess they figuered Sept 11 is around the corner, they need to step ity up

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5023/5888366351_4c0e366daa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5888366351/)
DSC_0931 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/5888366351/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Are you serious?? Wow, that is amazing. :cheers:

They're gettin' cocky now!

So with this new height......I guess it will be a few feet shorter than the former Cities Service Building.....:cheers:


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Whatever, it's basically the tallest in LM now. :)

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Carlos, do you know what hours they work on this project? Do they do more than 8 hours a day?

They do seem to have it in high gear - that is awesome. And yes, they probably do want it to be as far along by Sept 11 as possible.

Carlos, do you know what hours they work on this project? Do they do more than 8 hours a day?

They do seem to have it in high gear - that is awesome. And yes, they probably do want it to be as far along by Sept 11 as possible.

I get up at 430am to go to work....and i see activity by 5am...i dont know until what time they work but it is 5:15pm and I they have stopped....

Damn! That's impressive. That's like... 6 floors in 4 weeks! :D

That's awesome to see level 74 already. About 910 feet tall. Getting close to passing 40 Wall Street. :banana:

81°F sounds so nice, we are getting more than 100°F daily.

And progress at the tower seems to be fastening up! I would love to see the other buildings of the complex growing upwards on this magnificent pictures.

That's awesome to see level 74 already. About 910 feet tall. Getting close to passing 40 Wall Street. :banana:How many feet does one beam have?

I get up at 430am to go to work....and i see activity by 5am...i dont know until what time they work but it is 5:15pm and I they have stopped....

hasn't it been reported that there are workers on the site 24/7?:cheers:

How many feet does one beam have?

I don't know for sure, probably around 27 feet. Each floor is 13 ft 4 in. You can't factor in the column splice length because that only counted on the 20th floor's columns. All columns since are just bolted on top of the previous floors. That should make each new column approximately two floor heights in length.

Quick raw video clip I made today of the reflection of clouds in the glass. Please view in HD wherever possible.

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http://www.benjaminrosamond.com

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These photos are taken by me. Sren

^Magnificent! Even though we know you are the photographer, SSC requests a link to the photostream in order to accomplish our agreement with the Flickr staff. ;)

Great video, Bunky!

4th of July ligthing:

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All pictures above by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/), on Flickr

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Photos above by DrArch2009 (http://www.flickr.com/people/40664844@N02/), on Flickr

Diagram update:

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1 WTC Diagram June 30th, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5890136476/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Larger version (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/543/wtc30junio.jpg)

Otie, those pictures are absolutely BEAUTIFUL!

Conde Chooses 1 WTC Architect; Yotel's Luggage Robot Speaks (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/06/29/conde_chooses_1_wtc_architect_yotels_luggage_robot_speaks.php)

FINANCIAL DISTRICT—The latest development in publisher Condé Nast's many plans for its new office space at 1 World Trade Center: choosing an architect! The company has chosen Gensler to design the space, according to a Condé press release. Other Gensler projects we're familiar with: the InterContinental New York Times Square and the Shanghai Tower. Neither of which tells us much about what Condé's new office space will look like. [CurbedWire Inbox]

Can anybody tell me what will the height of the communication platform ring will be.

^^ there is one GIGANTIC diagram up there on this page, where every important number is mentioned. xD

July 1st, Greenwichboy, WNY..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13448&d=1309496521

Can anybody tell me what will the height of the communication platform ring will be.

The top of the communication platform will be 1401' 5" (~427.1m) above the lobby floor. Last diagram didn't sayed it, but next it will.

So Cool

July 1st, Greenwichboy, WNY..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13448&d=1309496521

What the heck? Bastille Day isn't for another 2 weeks!

Yeah it's a hugeass french flag lol

or should i say... awhawhawhawhawhaw

From the diagram it looks like it could be a race between WTC 1 and WTC 4 as to who will top out first (not counting spires of course). It looks like WTC 1 is slightly closer to topping out than is WTC 4 but not by much.

WTC 4 is going to be huge. Note that WTC 1 is not yet even at the height that WTC 4 will ultimately have. I think once completed WTC 4 will be the second tallest building in Lower Manhattan until WTC 2 and WTC 3 are built, correct?

I think once completed WTC 4 will be the second tallest building in Lower Manhattan until WTC 2 and WTC 3 are built, correct?

That's my understanding. :)

Yeah, 4 WTC will be 975 feet tall. The tallest in LM (as of today) is the American International Building, which stands at 952 feet tall.

Today will be the last day for my daily updates..I am leaving soon on vacation to a beautiful sunny beach destination!!!!

:banana2:

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Is it certain that there will be a restaurant at the top?

Today will be the last day for my daily updates..I am leaving soon on vacation to a beautiful sunny beach destination!!!!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a good time..:hi:

Is it certain that there will be a restaurant at the top?

They gave up that idea..No one knows what's gonna be there now..

Cool Updates :)
Would be cool if there were a german flag on november 9th.

They are going to have an observatory with two floors

Hy couldn't they of had a restaurant or cafe quarter? :(

They are going to have an observatory with two floors

Sources??

it was an article posted on this thread a week or two ago. Scroll back and you should find it. It was the same one where Bloomberg also sort of complained that there wouldn't be an outdoor observatory.

@kenersej: You can read it on the respective websites: PANYNJ, SOM, WSP Cantor Seinuk Group,
Ralph Applebaum & Associate and Silverstein Properties; all of them mention a 2-story observation deck.

My diagram has some errors, mainly horizontal lines that aren't aligned with the real height; and the Restaurant or whatever is going to be should be on the 102nd fl while the Observation Deck on the 100 & 101 fl. All of those errors are going to be fixed by today night.

Didn't they cancel the restaurant like 5 months ago?

Didn't they cancel the restaurant like 5 months ago?

Yea, that's why he said "the restaurant or whatever", in the sense "whatever is going to be there instead".

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^^ I'm surprised that the cocoon hasn't been lifted up yet.

no cocoon....:ohno:

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flickr fucked up :ohno::bash:

They should open a Windows on the World -esque restaurant on the upper floors of WTC 2, or maybe 3, and put an outdoor observatory on the roof of WTC 4. That'd be sweet.

June 30th, NYguy, Skyscraperpage..

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[QUOTE=Otie]The top of the communication platform will be 1401' 5" (~427.1m) above the lobby floor. Last diagram didn't sayed it, but next it will.

thanks for the info otie.

They should open a Windows on the World -esque restaurant on the upper floors of WTC 2, or maybe 3, and put an outdoor observatory on the roof of WTC 4. That'd be sweet.

Maybe Danny Meyer could be coaxed into doing something at 1 WTC... :)

Not sure if these are appropriate to post in this thread since they are so old, if they aren't then a mod can remove them, but here are a couple pictures I have from November 2009 that I took when I visited. I have more but I like these the most.

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^Well, it gives a clear idea of how much progress has been done.

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Photos by Dana Yi (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dana-yi/)

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FD WorldTradeCenter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21603653@N05/5892975226/) by hypersoar40 (http://www.flickr.com/people/21603653@N05/), on Flickr

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1 WTC for July 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffandwill/5892167213/) by JeffAndWill (http://www.flickr.com/people/jeffandwill/), on Flickr

that first picture is amazing otie

So Amazing!

Not sure if these are appropriate to post in this thread since they are so old, if they aren't then a mod can remove them, but here are a couple pictures I have from November 2009 that I took when I visited. I have more but I like these the most.



I remember those days. Man how we were all excited to see those jumbo columns. :)

I can even recall lurking on this thread in 2006 when people were getting banned left and right for complaining about the slow progress. :ohno:

Good to see this now over 900 feet high. We're getting to the home stretch.

To all my fans :cheer: all over the world, this is my last post until i return from holiday! :lol:


I'll be back on Monday July 11 (my birthday) with a tan and a new lens GOOD BYE

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^^Good luck on your holidays Carlos. Have fun! :)
And thanks for your pictures!

First pic I see showing the glass reflecting a sunset. Sweet!

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WTC Site June 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lehnerthill/5886708880/) by andreas.lehnert (http://www.flickr.com/people/lehnerthill/), on Flickr

To all my fans :cheer: all over the world, this is my last post until i return from holiday! :lol:


I'll be back on Monday July 11 (my birthday) with a tan and a new lens GOOD BYE

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Happy holidays!

In the next vacation, come to Rio

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I redid the entire diagram, added layers, made components and organized everything so I can update with less time and effort. Honestly, from the beginning I knew the entire work was wrong, a mess and innacurate; but didn't have time to fix the errors until now. From now on, I'll update every first and middle day (15) of each month until this b*tch gets completed. New features were added, such as a feet and metric rule. Gave some texture to the cranes and the comparison buildings on the right were fixed. Perhaps the greatest improvement is that it includes a bunch of information that old ones didn't have. It's much more accurate and has a bigger and better resolution (2066x3508). :okay:

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One World Trade Center Diagram Update (July 1st, 2011) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5894517320/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Original size (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7921/1wtc010711.png) | 3D Diagram W.I.P. (http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2429/t12e.jpg)

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I redid the entire diagram, added layers, made components and organized everything so I can update with less time and effort. Honestly, from the beginning I knew the entire work was wrong, a mess and innacurate; but didn't have time to fix the errors until now. From now on, I'll update every first and middle day (15) of each month until this b*tch gets completed. New features were added, such as a feet and metric rule. Gave some texture to the cranes and the comparison buildings on the right were fixed. Perhaps the greatest improvement is that it includes a bunch of information that old ones didn't have. It's much more accurate and has a bigger and better resolution (2066x3508). :okay:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5894517320_0237dd4a27_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5894517320/)
One World Trade Center Diagram Update (July 1st, 2011) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5894517320/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Original size (http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7921/1wtc010711.png) | 3D Diagram W.I.P. (http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2429/t12e.jpg)

Great work sir. :)

I redid the entire diagram, added layers, made components and organized everything so I can update with less time and effort. Honestly, from the beginning I knew the entire work was wrong, a mess and innacurate; but didn't have time to fix the errors until now. From now on, I'll update every first and middle day (15) of each month until this b*tch gets completed. New features were added, such as a feet and metric rule. Gave some texture to the cranes and the comparison buildings on the right were fixed. Perhaps the greatest improvement is that it includes a bunch of information that old ones didn't have. It's much more accurate and has a bigger and better resolution (2066x3508). :okay:

Great diagram! Also really nice with those imperial & metric "rulers" at the side of the tower!

Carlos, we'll miss your updates! Looking forward to the new lens, even better pictures! :banana:

Have a great Weekend and a happy Birthday in advance, Carlos!

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it would be nice to get a top shot over the tower,cos it must be close to being a perfect hexagon

^You mean octagon. And it is already. Floor 72 is where the perfect octagon is. You better hurry up and get those overhead pics cuz they've started Floor 74! XD

Otie, your work is freaking amazing.

Otie, your work is freaking amazing.

+1 this stuff impresses me no end :cheers:

is there anything i can do about this flickr issue with not showing any pics?

July 1st, Tectonic, WNY..

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Redefining Manhattan's skyline: Incredible new pictures of Ground Zero show substantial progress made on 9/11 Memorial

By Jennifer Madison | Last updated at 6:51 PM on 2nd July 2011

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>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010564/Redefining-Manhattans-skyline-Incredible-new-pictures-Ground-Zero-substantial-progress-9-11-Memorial.html

Not including the 20-story base, 1 WTC's curtain wall is a little over 35% complete, so given a chance, imagine the curtain wall three times the height it is at now and you will be about at roof height.

does anyone know what the lighting scheme for this buidling and the wtc complex at night is going to look like? has it been finalized yet? appreciate it if someone answers.

Redefining Manhattan's skyline: Incredible new pictures of Ground Zero show substantial progress made on 9/11 Memorial
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Do you know where exactly is that in 1WTC? Underground levels?
Great updated interior views btw

Do you know where exactly is that in 1WTC? Underground levels?


That's actually underneath the memorial pools, where the museum will open next year. :)

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does anyone know what the lighting scheme for this buidling and the wtc complex at night is going to look like? has it been finalized yet? appreciate it if someone answers.

What does this mean? It'll probably look like any other building at night, with some lights on and some lights off. I'm not sure what else you could expect it to look like.

What does this mean? It'll probably look like any other building at night, with some lights on and some lights off. I'm not sure what else you could expect it to look like.

well this isn't just some office building so i highly doubt they would just have no light scheme. from what i know they will light up the spire. at the top of spire its going to flash in mores code N for new york. that's all the info i think that's been given. but im sure they will light up the steal corners as well somehow

thisthing is gonna be talllll

well this isn't just some office building so i highly doubt they would just have no light scheme. from what i know they will light up the spire. at the top of spire its going to flash in mores code N for new york. that's all the info i think that's been given. but im sure they will light up the steal corners as well somehow

The Twin Towers weren't "just some office buildings" either but they didn't do anything special at night. I'm not sure how you can make solid steel light up, but if that were possible I guess it would be cool.

I think the morse code idea is really dumb, I hope they reconsider.

actually i am in favor for the Morse code light display I think it is going be cool.

i like the idea, too. But i can predict tourists not knowing what it means and constantly asking, ''yo, dude, whats the deal with the lights?'' every five minutes

does anyone know what the lighting scheme for this buidling and the wtc complex at night is going to look like? has it been finalized yet? appreciate it if someone answers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEqY7W-xhAw&feature=related

pause at :45 it should be similar to that. (this of course is an old rendering, but i believe this is what they're shooting for, ignore the rest of the video)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8370/wtc1.png

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the 2 memorial pools look rather dull?
I thought they were going to look great with the water falls falling into a lovely blue pool and look really beautiful, but instead they just look like 2 ugly square GREY pits!!?

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the 2 memorial pools look rather dull?
I thought they were going to look great with the water falls falling into a lovely blue pool and look really beautiful, but instead they just look like 2 ugly square GREY pits!!?

well the water hasn't really cascaded down to create an effect to show how powerful they are. also its kinda hard to see how big they actually are through pictures. probably something u need to see in person when complete.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the 2 memorial pools look rather dull?
I thought they were going to look great with the water falls falling into a lovely blue pool and look really beautiful, but instead they just look like 2 ugly square GREY pits!!?
i believe they're still testing them. (correct me if im wrong)

pretty sure that gray is the final color. it is duller than the renders showed.

Does anyone have the LM checklist?

The (dark) grey color is indeed intentional. We usually associate dark spaces with some sort of absence, a void; light colors would dampen that effect.
Unfortunately, this is all off-topic. Opinions of the pools should be in the appropriate thread.

Heeeey, this tower is so advanced, I havent seen pics of this proyect in a LONG TIME, I'm so exited about it! Congrat. NYC, loving it. Greetings from Mexico City

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the 2 memorial pools look rather dull?
I thought they were going to look great with the water falls falling into a lovely blue pool and look really beautiful, but instead they just look like 2 ugly square GREY pits!!?

Before you shit on the memorial pools, could you at least give them a chance to...you know, finish them? And turn all the waterfalls on?

Before you shit on the memorial pools, could you at least give them a chance to...you know, finish them? And turn all the waterfalls on?

He has the right to express his opinion? Using this [your] logic, no one has the right to make a comment based on personal opinion about the building, because construction hasn't finished on it.

As for the waterfalls, I don't like them. They give me a weird impression.

Thanks for the pictures, Otie!

He has the right to express his opinion? Using this [your] logic, no one has the right to make a comment based on personal opinion about the building, because construction hasn't finished on it.

As for the waterfalls, I don't like them. They give me a weird impression.

Thanks for the pictures, Otie!

Please quote the part where I said he didn't have the right to express his own opinion.

All I suggest is that he wait until the pools are completed before saying they're "ugly square pits." We won't get the full effect until it's all done and the waterfalls are all flowing. It's a lot different than talking about 1 WTC because we've seen so many renders of it, we have a pretty good idea how it's going to look by now. I don't think we can judge the waterfalls by non-moving renders.

Please quote the part where I said he didn't have the right to express his own opinion.

All I suggest is that he wait until the pools are completed before saying they're "ugly square pits." We won't get the full effect until it's all done and the waterfalls are all flowing. It's a lot different than talking about 1 WTC because we've seen so many renders of it, we have a pretty good idea how it's going to look by now. I don't think we can judge the waterfalls by non-moving renders.

I guess I misunderstood your statement, "before you shit". My apologies.

To be fair, there are moving renders (or videos) of the pools.

Before you shit on the memorial pools, could you at least give them a chance to...you know, finish them? And turn all the waterfalls on?

I wasn't shitting on them as you put it! . . You shit!
lol All i was saying is they are very close to their official opening they will be up and running in 10 weeks or so, They arn't gonna change anymore than what they are already, other than the water falls turned on. And we have already seen them in action. I just don't think they look as tranquil or as nice as they did in the video renders.
(Think i'm in order there, i'm not doing any shitting of the sort!! lol)

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Wow, great pics! I especially like the one from Staten Island, 1 WTC looks massive there. :cucumber:

happy 4 of July everyone celebrating the day america Independence its shelf from british rule no offence to all the British people in this trend i have love for y'all. :lol::lol::lol:

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Even from that distance the ESB remains the highest skyscraper

Does anyone have the LM checklist?

Yeah, I posted the updated render several days ago... But here it is again. Even with that lone core column reaching floors 73-74, we haven't passed any buildings since Beekman/Gehry New York/8 Spruce Street (whatever it's called) a few jumps ago.

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(Compiled from images at The Diagrams section at SSP found here: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=8 )

36 more feet and 1 wtc will be the second tallest building in new york by roof and 290 more feet and it will the second tallest building period.

happy 4 of July everyone celebrating the day america Independence its shelf from british rule no offence to all the British people in this trend i have love for y'all. :lol::lol::lol:
Happy July 4th to all Americans,any time you wanna free us from europe and make us the 51st state feel free :lol::lol::lol:


I love this thread,check it more than anything anywhere,fantastic to see the progress and the manhattan skyline returning:banana::banana:

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Wow!! the most beautiful picture i ever seen on this thread!

pretty good

Happy July 4th to all Americans,any time you wanna free us from europe and make us the 51st state feel free :lol::lol::lol:


I love this thread,check it more than anything anywhere,fantastic to see the progress and the manhattan skyline returning:banana::banana:

We wouldn't miss you

Looking good One World Trade Centre!!! Go NYC!!!

Dan Burnett, July 4th..

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We wouldn't miss you

meowww!!! :lol:

The above pictures show what a concrete bunker the base is. More than anything else, this seems to be designed simply not to be easily knocked down.

It sure isn't going to have a very pretty lobby.

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Well, I like the bunker base. Rdundancy is more important than looks.

I wonder how SOM is doing with the new base treatment for this. Hope it still melds well with the overall structure. I was hoping the old proposal would push through which is now impossible due to that glass controversy.

BTW, nice pics of WTC1 in all american lighting scheme!

All these pictures are great and it is always sunny in NYC.
It really is the City of all seasons.
Its snowy and cold in winter and then it is scorching hot in the summer.
Cant wait to move over.
Greetings from Dublin Ireland.

There are no Twins O_o There is a 2nd WTC . It's construction already begun.

The above pictures show what a concrete bunker the base is. More than anything else, this seems to be designed simply not to be easily knocked down.

It sure isn't going to have a very pretty lobby.

I agree, walking inside 1WTC is going to feel like a scene from the 2004 film Der Untergang.

They can try and hide it all they want behind fancy glass from the outside, but when curious tourists start asking why they are greeted with a dark, claustrophobic lobby, the tourists get no other response than the base was made that way out of fear. There are 1,000,000 ways to design a lobby and it's obvious the devs weren't shooting for the stars here.

city lights and storm coming look awesome!

HK999 that picture is soo sweet, Schiano really knows how to snap great shots!

Dan, your photos are getting better and better!

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This shot reminds me of the dbox render:
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Cocoon is being lifted up :cheers:

Hey @ all! It's my first post here, but I am reading this thread for more than two years.
It's just an amazing project! Can't wait to see it in real life ^^

@Otie: Great pics! thx!

greez from Gelsenkirchen, Germany

I agree, walking inside 1WTC is going to feel like a scene from the 2004 film Der Untergang.

They can try and hide it all they want behind fancy glass from the outside, but when curious tourists start asking why they are greeted with a dark, claustrophobic lobby, the tourists get no other response than the base was made that way out of fear. There are 1,000,000 ways to design a lobby and it's obvious the devs weren't shooting for the stars here.

Looks OK to me

http://architecture.about.com/od/worldtradecenter/ig/World-Trade-Center-Plans/Lobby.htm

Looks OK to me

http://architecture.about.com/od/worldtradecenter/ig/World-Trade-Center-Plans/Lobby.htm

I agree. Obviously they will make the interior of the lobby attractive (and well-lit). Although I don't like how much space was wasted for this excessive concrete bunker, I'm sure it will still turn out well. But considering how this building will become a top target for terrorists as soon as the ribbon is cut, it certainly makes sense to be more safe than sorry.

I think that render is off. It makes it look as if they have natural light coming in where we now know they can't because it is solid concrete walls. The actual product won't look as nice as that render, I don't believe.

Looks OK to me

Me too. Looks no different than a dozen other lobbies I've been in recently. I'd much rather work in a secure building than one that makes itself vulnerable for the sake of ego-driven aesthetics.

Who cares about the lobby? Think of the sweeping views the office floors/observation deck will have compared to the original towers.

Well isn't it time they started thinking about how to clad the outer part of the lobby, since their original plan didn't work?

I am aware that this is supposed to be completed in 2013
but does anyone know when it is supposed to be topped out? (sooner than 2013 I hope!)

^We seriously need a FAQ section here. The PA announced a while back they were going to top out (not counting the mast) by the end of this year. Even Zen was hopping a topping out ceremony on December 23th (same day the North Tower of the original complex topped out, back in 1970), but since weather conditions weren't in favor the past winter, I'll say it should occur by 1Q 2012.

That is exactly right, it was supposed to be topped at the end of this year, but because of the inclement weather that they had so often this past winter, it is slated for the 1st quarter of '12, or in that vicinity.

Oh that makes more sense, considering the rate at which floors are stacking up lately it wouldn't make much sense if it hadn't been topped out by '12

I'm confused. What is that steel framing above the concrete on the base?

Those are for mechanical floors. The concrete completely encases the lobby area and was a requirement by the NYPD to limit damage from car/truck bombs.

If you blur this photo, it looks like the construction of the Twin Towers, with north tower complete, and south tower on its way up. ;)


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Fascinating and clever. If you showed this to someone unfamiliar with 1wtc they would probably be impressed thinking they were almost done with the 2nd tower

That Beekman tower really ruins the Brooklyn Bridge view, completely steals the thunder of the WTC.

Are there any renders on the opera house or theater supposed to be built beside WTC 1?

Someone should make and render of the twin towers with the beekman in front of it and see how the beekman takes the dominance away.

I like the beekman, it looks like it's came straight from gotham. In fact I wonder if it was partially inspired by the batman films.

Well isn't it time they started thinking about how to clad the outer part of the lobby, since their original plan didn't work?

Hurry and go and tell them!! Because they obviously don't have teams of designers, architects and engineers thinking about these kind of things...

Hurry and go and tell them!! Because they obviously don't have teams of designers, architects and engineers thinking about these kind of things...

Now thats sarcasm! lol

Completely agree beekman tower takes away from the iconic view. Very distracting. I'm loving the view from staten island though :)

Completely agree beekman tower takes away from the iconic view. Very distracting. I'm loving the view from staten island though :)

Yeah, luckily there will be many other nice views of 1 WTC that are hopefully impossible to ruin.

(PANYNJ on Twitter) View of the Memorial from the future skylobby:

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Completely agree beekman tower takes away from the iconic view. Very distracting. I'm loving the view from staten island though :)

i get all that but would you forsake the Beekman for a better view of 1WTC?:ohno:

whats with the funky brownish foam in the memorial pool?

Can't wait for someone in beekman towers to post a pic of the view they got of the WTC site :banana:

Can't wait for someone in beekman towers to post a pic of the view they got of the WTC site :banana:

Yeah, when Carlos gets back we should tell him to forget about the telephoto lense and tell him he needs to buy a place towards the top of the Beekman Tower. Then we should get great shots. :banana: In fact, we could chip in an buy him a HD web-cam. I'd be up for that if he'd agree to move to the Beekman. :cheers:

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how do you add photos?

^ On Flickr, if BBcode is disabled, try this:
Click on the "Actions" button just above the picture and select "View al sizes". It will take you to the All Sizes section, only righ click on the image and copy the URL of the image.
On your post, paste the URL in the field of Insert Image. :okay:

thank you!

Wow. I am so apalled by the lighting out on "Verizon" on the facade of the Verizon building. I mean, I could see a few lights being out on my local Taco Bell's sign, but not this.

lol twine towers

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Impressive as this tower is!


Impressive as it is growing and good taste in design it has.

I'm surprised for the better.

^^ Otie's 2nd picture.... for a second there I thought Massimo actually graffiti'd the Brooklyn Bridge! :)

Are they putting in concrete behind the "red steel" on the mechanical/base floors?

I can't tell if it's that or something to aid in cladding.

I am so looking forward to go to NY and see the building finished. Let's see how long does it take before al-qaeda tries to blow it up...

[QUOTE=Lewtom]I am so looking forward to go to NY and see the building finished. Let's see how long does it take before al-qaeda tries to blow it up.. porqué usted diría algo similar.

I am so looking forward to go to NY and see the building finished. Let's see how long does it take before al-qaeda tries to blow it up...

Please don't bring up Al Qaeda.

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That's really sick. Go away.

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Wow, great pics, thanks... this building has already become the "king" of lower Manhattan... I love it

:cheers:

Wow, great pics, thanks... this building has already become the "king" of lower Manhattan... I love it

:cheers:

Yup, that's an awesome pic. ESB's rule over NY is comming to an end ........ again. Hopefully this time it'll be forever :dunno:

I am so looking forward to go to NY and see the building finished. Let's see how long does it take before al-qaeda tries to blow it up...



It's not going to happen again!

Yup, that's an awesome pic. ESB's rule over NY is comming to an end ........ again. Hopefully this time it'll be forever :dunno:

ESB is still the king of midtown. 1 WTC can have Downtown. :cheers:

Can someone post a diagram of The Statue of Liberty and 1 World Trade Center

I am so looking forward to go to NY and see the building finished. Let's see how long does it take before al-qaeda tries to blow it up...

Don't even joke about that crap:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Don't even joke about that crap:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

I don't think he meant it as a joke. It's pretty obvious that this building will become a top target for terrorists once it's completed, let's not kid ourselves. Hence the reason for the concrete bunker and other safety upgrades.

I'm loving the cladding. It looks stunning!

Sorry if this has been asked here already just recently, but when is this building due to top out?

We were told 1WTC's roof would top out late this year, but due to the terrible weather this past winter, it's looking more like early next year. Although at the rate they've been going these past couple weeks, late this year is indeed possible (although unlikely).

The spire will take about 6 months to complete, so Summer 2012

The building is due to be complete in 2013

^^ Thank you! :)

We were told 1WTC's roof would top out late this year, but due to the terrible weather this past winter, it's looking more like early next year. Although at the rate they've been going these past couple weeks, late this year is indeed possible (although unlikely).

The spire will take about 6 months to complete, so Summer 2012

The building is due to be complete in 2013

I don't believe it was ever scheduled to be topped out by year's end. They've stated from the get go that the memorial will be complete for 9/11/11, and that the tower will have made great progress. The winter held them back, but not by at least 20+ stories...

So.... For what reason will the spire take so long to be built, I've heard their will be traversable stairs inside it. But seriously that will rise slower than the full floors are taking. What could possibly cause it to take that long?

@MattToronto. I'm almost certain it is, or was at some point. I'll try and find where I got the top out by year's end from. But that's just what I read somewhere. My apologies if it's incorrect information.

@Dirty new yorker. I'm not exactly sure either. But I think that in addition to it's height, they need to build the antenna first, then basically wrap the spire around it. I'm not sure though. Don't quote me on that. Entirely a guess.

I don't think he meant it as a joke. It's pretty obvious that this building will become a top target for terrorists once it's completed, let's not kid ourselves. Hence the reason for the concrete bunker and other safety upgrades.

It will be a top target, but I think terrorists won't do the same s*** again! Hopefully! :nono:

Incredible building!!! One of my favorites!

It would be funny if there was a small window at the very top of the spire to which one visitor could go up and glance outside and forget about all of his or her troubles--but only for five minutes each.

It would be funny if there was a small window at the very top of the spire to which one visitor could go up and glance outside and forget about all of his or her troubles--but only for five minutes each.

So would you not be able to go up if you didnt have any troubles?

Nah, anyone could go up--troubles or no troubles. I just get the feeling we all have em', sometimes, and a nice view--like the one from the spire, would help to forget them, if you had em'.

It will be a top target, but I think terrorists won't do the same s*** again! Hopefully! :nono:

Well, as stated. Bear in mind rumor stated this whole thing MAY occur. I repeat MAY occur this 9/11. So be caution people.:ohno: But at the same time, I don't think they care anymore. Okay, enough of this and get moving on (unless this whole scenario is freaking us). At the same time, I can't judge now until we see it to believe it.:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Here is the old port Authority information saying that it will take six months for the spire to be completed. http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q-a-response-lynda-tollner3.html

Will they install the spire after cladding is completed, or will they work at the same time?

Will they install the spire after cladding is completed, or will they work at the same time?

If it can be done simultaneously, they'll do it. After all, everybody wants this tower finished asap :cheers:

So according to the port Authority information topping out should occurred around February of 2012 due to weather delays,construction of the spire should hopefully begain around june of 2012 and completion of 1 wtc should be around December of 2012 just in time for the end of the world.:lol:

The spire will take about 6 months to complete, so Summer 2012

i can't wait to see this step by step, should be very interesting!

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One thing is for damn sure, it will be a hell of lot harder. No one will be caught sleeping this time. Just like the Holocaust hasn't happened again, nor does anybody who is somebody hopes or expects it to.

^^ Such a true statement.

One thing is for damn sure, it will be a hell of lot harder. No one will be caught sleeping this time. Just like the Holocaust hasn't happened again, nor does anybody who is somebody hopes or expects it to.

Your terminology is so true.

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Just keeps looking better and better every day.

Just keeps looking better and better every day.

You just wait. Once the glass is installed a bit higher 1wtc will look so much more sleek. IMO that is why I think that supertall in London is looking as good as it does.

I think it's already sleek.

The glass being used here looks really good at every angle. I'm excited to see what views help make the new WTC the icon of New York City.

Thanks Otie for stopping this off-topic crap with your pics ;)
As usual great photos of a great building! :cheers:

WTC: Built for the future — with steel
4:48 PM, JULY 6, 2011


By Gary Higbee

An article published as news in the June 1, 2011, issue of this paper shamelessly mislead readers about the materials used in reconstructing the World Trade Center.

Entitled “One World Trade Center rising on ‘super concrete’” and written by Herbert Margrill, communications vice president for The Concrete Alliance, the lengthy, 2,700-word piece not only lacked the concise, factual tone of a news story, it abandoned reality by extolling “One World Trade Center…as the latest proof of concrete’s superiority,” adding that concrete is the leading choice for building developers.

It is the newspaper’s duty to present accurate information to its readers. On behalf of the Steel Institute of New York, let me correct some of the article’s more blatant misrepresentations.

It must first be said that work at the WTC should be praised, not only as proof of the city’s ability to overcome the terrible events which befell the site a decade ago, but also of the contribution it will make to New York’s infrastructure needs. However, ignoring the predominant role played by structural steel in the reconstruction is not just self-serving, it is a misleading omission.

Told that “210,000 cubic yards of concrete [upwards of 300,000 tons] will be needed to cap the Center’s superstructure,” the reader of the article could hardly be blamed for assuming that concrete is the only material being used in the reconstruction. This massive quantity of material far outstrips the 50,000 tons of steel used for the tower’s beams and columns, no question. But quantity is immaterial.

Steel’s higher strength-to-weight ratio and inherently longer span capabilities always lead to less material-intensive design solutions. More importantly, these qualities will enable One World Trade Center to emerge as 2.6 million square feet of column-free, Class A office space. And they are among the reasons why Larry Silverstein chose steel for towers 2, 3, and 4, why the Durst family chose steel for Bank of America Tower, and why steel was selected by the developers of all but one of the office towers built in the city after 9/11.

Despite its many inaccuracies, the article makes one point that is irrefutable. “The looming threat of climate change … is far more dangerous than terrorism,” Margrill quotes Robert Ledwith, president of the Concrete Alliance, as saying. Adopting a mentality that office towers should be bunker-like designs with concrete stair cores and street level blast walls three feet thick would be a mistake. The city’s goal is to strike a balance between safety and the ability to build affordably during these tough economic times, all without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.

We must keep in mind the crisis our city will face if we do not keep pace with other nations in providing the finest Class A office space to attract international corporations in our globalized economy. Viewed from this perspective, it would be a mistake to assume—as Ledwith is again quoted as saying—that “concrete is the best choice for the environment.”

A growing amount of research is being published around the globe comparing the relative impacts of structural steel, concrete, and other materials with respect to embodied energy, carbon impacts, and resource depletion. At the same time, the sustainable impacts of various design choices are being compared via a new generation of life cycle analysis estimators.

This research has highlighted the favorable comparative impacts of structural steel versus concrete when viewed from a project-based perspective: More usable space is created with less environmental impact in One World Trade Center using 50,000 tons of steel than with than with 300,000 tons of concrete. This is not to say concrete has no role in the construction. Each material relies on the other in various applications. And just as all building industries are working to keep costs down, all are working to improve their carbon footprint.

The Steel Institute of New York believes strongly that our city’s future cannot be built on a foundation of misinformation. As progress at the World Trade Center site demonstrates, it is imperative that a building embody much more than function. Our city’s structures represent everything we hope for in its future: economic viability, strength, and beauty. Steel’s substantial role in that vision is irrefutable.

Gary Higbee, AIA, is director of industry development, The Steel Institute of New York.

Thanks Otie for stopping this off-topic crap with your pics ;)
As usual great photos of a great building! :cheers:

I kinda hate when someone stops an interesting and enriching discussion by posting a bunch of pics... and I'm bored of comments like "Oh, great pics!", "Awesome, this tower is rising!" or similar comments. But yeah, since this is an off-topic and pointless discussion, I guess it was the right thing to do.

edit: View from the 55th floor:
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Wow, what`a great pics of NY. Great job all`s.

Congrats.

With the last space shuttle launch today (if its not delayed) it could be interesting to note that $1 billion, the approx. cost of 1 shuttle launch, would almost pay for 1WTC.

Don't get me wrong...the shuttle program was worth it...but we are getting much more value for the dollar with the building!

With the last space shuttle launch today (if its not delayed) it could be interesting to note that $1 billion, the approx. cost of 1 shuttle launch, would almost pay for 1WTC.

Don't get me wrong...the shuttle program was worth it...but we are getting much more value for the dollar with the building!
not necessarily. it all depends on a person's point of view.

I can't wait to see you, you beautiful building.
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I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.

I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.

Me no likie pyramids.

That being said, I think it is fine the way it is. I think it will be cool to see photos of it without the spire (e.g., before the spire is constructed).

I can't wait to see you, you beautiful building.
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Is the cladding going to be like this towards the upper floors? Are they vents foor the mechanical floors? They look very noticeable in this pic . .

Idiots..

July 6th, Derek2k3, WNY..

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July 7th..

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nyc_alex, Skyscraperpage..

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I think it will be cool to see photos of it without the spire (e.g., before the spire is constructed).

That's what I'm talking about. I dont like the way it is now. Without spire would be awesome, pyramid of spires would be awesome. Just my 2 cents.

I think this tower would look ALOOOOT better if the upper spike was connected to 9 diagonally slanted spikes forming the shape of a pyramid. Just saying.

There already is a pyramid building next to it. I'm talking about 3WFC :cheers: As to spires, I never really liked them. I always liked roof height being the pinnacle height as well :tiasd:


Oh, and to the conspiracy freaks, I know what happened to 7WTC. Chuck Norris was inside and he farted :weird:

Hi,
one important question: i am collecting webcam pictures from wtcprogress.com for quite a while now in order to create a time lapse movie.
Is it allowed to take these pictures from the webcam in order to use them for a time lapse construction movie for the public (like youtube, vimeo etc.) ?

greets

[QUOTE=Kanto]There already is a pyramid building next to it. I'm talking about 3WFC :cheers: As to spires, I never really liked them. I always liked roof height being the pinnacle height as well


I don't understand why some people do not favor spires as pinnacle height standard,can any body name me one building since the sears tower aka Willis tower by the way hate the name change that has been the worlds tallest with out spires.

^^Yeah, but I think all those that hate spires would say those were cheating.

Very tall already! Is it taller than 250 m??

^^Yeah, but I think all those that hate spires would say those were cheating.

Exactly, spires and antennas are cheating. Just as this smiley shows :tiasd:

The official height measurement is the biggest nonsense I ever heared. There is absolutely no difference between a spire and an antenna. As to pinnacle height measurement, I accept it but only as a secondary measurement. The primary measurement in my opinion is roof height measurement.

Hi,
one important question: i am collecting webcam pictures from wtcprogress.com for quite a while now in order to create a time lapse movie.
Is it allowed to take these pictures from the webcam in order to use them for a time lapse construction movie for the public (like youtube, vimeo etc.) ?

greets

As long as you credit the Port Authority, there will be no problems. ;)

Very tall already! Is it taller than 250 m??

Yep: 884' (~269.4m) and one core column that rises it to 910' 8" (~277.5m)

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This photo is awesome - you can see just how big it is compared to the rest of downtown Manhattan.

and the roofheight is 150m higher than 1wtc currently is, plus the spire. Itll be a giant.

good progress.

Exactly, spires and antennas are cheating...I wouldn't go this far, but I do feel the old standards of having two measures was a better depiction, even if clumbsy. At the least, there should still be an accounting based on highest occupiable/functional floor level. However...
There is absolutely no difference between a spire and an antenna. I disagree with this. A spire is a permanent piece of the structure and is designed in concert with the building as its artistic crown. The height is (supposedly) chosen based on the artistic appeal of the overall form.

Conversely, an antenna is but an afterthought, conceived independently from the structure and is subject to change. Several skyscrapers, though none of the major ones, have seen their rooftop antennas changed but clearly that doesn't alter the form of the true building. Put another way, we technically don't need antenna except for communications purposes, but architecturally we'll always have spires.

Thus, despite their confounding impact on our judgments about skyscraper heights, there is a desicernable difference between spires and antenna.

I think it's already sleek.

The glass being used here looks really good at every angle. I'm excited to see what views help make the new WTC the icon of New York City.

Can't wait till the glass is 25 floors higher it'll look like a monster

Exactly, spires and antennas are cheating. Just as this smiley shows :tiasd:

The official height measurement is the biggest nonsense I ever heared. There is absolutely no difference between a spire and an antenna. As to pinnacle height measurement, I accept it but only as a secondary measurement. The primary measurement in my opinion is roof height measurement.

i agree. i'd rather the one on the right 100X out of 100 though i love ESB and Chrysler , i just think roof top height gets my juices flowing a lot more than a spire or antenna

I wouldn't go this far, but I do feel the old standards of having two measures was a better depiction, even if clumbsy. At the least, there should still be an accounting based on highest occupiable/functional floor level. However...
I disagree with this. A spire is a permanent piece of the structure and is designed in concert with the building as its artistic crown. The height is (supposedly) chosen based on the artistic appeal of the overall form.

Conversely, an antenna is but an afterthought, conceived independently from the structure and is subject to change. Several skyscrapers, though none of the major ones, have seen their rooftop antennas changed but clearly that doesn't alter the form of the true building. Put another way, we technically don't need antenna except for communications purposes, but architecturally we'll always have spires.

Thus, despite their confounding impact on our judgments about skyscraper heights, there is a desicernable difference between spires and antenna.

I'd still put both antennas and spires in the same cathegory - an uninhabitable upper part of the structure. I understand that for example the 2WTC tripod spire is different from antennas, but then again, by far not different enough for spires having their own cathegory. And spires like for example those of the Petronas Towers are 100% the same as an antenna :tiasd:

This thread is about the construction of 1WTC. Anything else does not belong here.

Yep: 884' (~269.4m) and one core column that rises it to 910' 8" (~277.5m)

It's as if they gave the building a temporary spire :nuts:

This thread is about the construction of 1WTC. Anything else does not belong here.

Where are those threads located, the ones talking about wacko theories and stuff?

If anybody wants to compare this building to other US supertalls, visit this link:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51344585

Last week.

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Wow I thought that this tower was way taller than the twin towers but obvo not.

Well "officially", it's a lot taller. But to the roof, it's the same as the Old 1WTC and just a tad taller then the Old 2WTC :)

Well "officially", it's a lot taller. But to the roof, it's the same as the Old 1WTC and just a tad taller then the Old 2WTC :)

In my opinion, mediocre buildings with really large spires are like douchebag guys with hot girlfriends and overrated reputations.

They both use cheap ways to make themselves appear more awesome

1 WTC COMMUNICATION PLATFORM RING GIVES THE LOOK that it is little bit taller then the old twins.

1 WTC COMMUNICATION PLATFORM RING GIVES THE LOOK that it is little bit taller then the old twins.

Does that count toasted the roof height or no?

Does that count toasted the roof height or no?

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[QUOTE=Dirty new yorker]Does that count toasted the roof height or no?

not sure i guess so it is part of the structural design.

I know the reason they choose 1776 for obvo reasons but I think it should of be a lot taller. Aw well still a beautiful building

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I know the reason they choose 1776 for obvo reasons but I think it should of be a lot taller. Aw well still a beautiful building

I think if it was a LOT taller, it would look odd being such a huge building among much smaller buildings. The height is just fine, it matches the surroundings while subtly showing its dominance.

I think 100 extra feet to the roof would have been ideal but we should still be pretty happy that it is what it is. This building is very tall and will be neighbored by other giants, so it's a pretty good deal if you ask me. The communication ring is more like a crown then a roof if you ask me, but at least the spire is very thick and a lot better looking than the antenna of the former tower 1

I know the reason they choose 1776 for obvo reasons but I think it should of be a lot taller. Aw well still a beautiful building

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So guys are they making it taller than it was supposed to be..i can find it here but i dont wanna go through 1000 pg for one small info :D

Well "officially", it's a lot taller. But to the roof, it's the same as the Old 1WTC and just a tad taller then the Old 2WTC :)

Actually, the roof will be 1334' 8" (~406.8m) above the Lobby floor, while the architectural height of the original tower was 1368' 2" (~417m).

Guys you have to remember due fAA regulations here in the us 1 wtc tops could only be about 200 feet taller the way 1 wtc is tapering if they where to make it taller their wont be no roof left and 200 max is the only height the would make it distinguishable from the old towers in height.

So guys are they making it taller than it was supposed to be..i can find it here but i dont wanna go through 1000 pg for one small info :D

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Guys you have to remember due fAA regulations here in the us 1 wtc tops could only be about 200 feet taller the way 1 wtc is tapering if they where to make it taller their wont be no roof left and 200 max is the only height the would make it distinguishable from the old towers in height.


Your giving ppl who aren't from the USA, the impression that the FAA run shit. If they wanted WTC1 to be over 2000 feet, it would be. There's no law in this country that say a building can't be over 2000 feet. My point is there is no and never has been a cap't height for a buildings.

Hi all.

Exactly, spires and antennas are cheating. Just as this smiley shows :tiasd:

The official height measurement is the biggest nonsense I ever heared. There is absolutely no difference between a spire and an antenna. As to pinnacle height measurement, I accept it but only as a secondary measurement. The primary measurement in my opinion is roof height measurement.

I wouldn't go this far, but I do feel the old standards of having two measures was a better depiction, even if clumbsy. At the least, there should still be an accounting based on highest occupiable/functional floor level. However...
I disagree with this. A spire is a permanent piece of the structure and is designed in concert with the building as its artistic crown. The height is (supposedly) chosen based on the artistic appeal of the overall form.

Conversely, an antenna is but an afterthought, conceived independently from the structure and is subject to change. Several skyscrapers, though none of the major ones, have seen their rooftop antennas changed but clearly that doesn't alter the form of the true building. Put another way, we technically don't need antenna except for communications purposes, but architecturally we'll always have spires.

Thus, despite their confounding impact on our judgments about skyscraper heights, there is a desicernable difference between spires and antenna.

Hi guys.
You can have all the opinions you want on how tall structures should be measured. Personally I agree with the organization that matters and is filled with people who have devoted their lives and careers to tall structures - the CTBUH.

The council dropped the height to roof measure because it has always been a grey area on many structures. IMO it was a good move. Some structures have a few areas that could be considered 'the roof' depending on how you look at it. I listed a half a dozen regarding the BK a few years ago - I have my candidate but it's irrelevant now.

The highest occupied floor is still recognized as one of the three official measurements.

I agree there is a significant difference between a spire, pinnacle, or both and a removable antenna, flagpole, lightning rod, etc. Permanance is the critical difference to the council and the difference between the other two official measurements - height to arch. top and height to tip.

They compare and organize all tall structures on the height to arch. top. That way if a taller antenna or whatever is put up it doesn't change the ranking of the structure. Makes sense.

I like the height to tip measurement. I recognized the tallest guyed masts as the tallest manmade structures for those decades before the BK. If a 600 meter project comes along and they put up a 300 meter antenna I would recognize it as the new WTS - just not officially. I see Willis as 527 and BK as 829.842.

To all you wanna be mods who want to wank about off topic - don't bother ...
This is a discussion that does pertain to 1WTC and its tall spire

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Ray.

Your giving ppl who aren't from the USA, the impression that the FAA run shit. If they wanted WTC1 to be over 2000 feet, it would be. There's no law in this country that say a building can't be over 2000 feet. My point is there is no and never has been a cap't height for a buildings.

True. The FAA height regulations allow for exceptions to the 2,000 ft. limit but an applicant has to demonstrate that their supertall provides a great public benefit. Office buildings generally don't fit that description but TV antennas in far-flung rural areas like North Dakota apparently do. When air traffic control systems are finally updated with GPS tracking (c'mon, it's 2011 already!!) then the max height limits won't be needed.

The FAA has legal clearance over all US territories to set height limits. planes cant cruise below 2000ft unless there taking off or landing. and that's why anything above 2000 ft is regulated.

OF course their are exceptions like the 2063 foot KVLY-TV mast tower buts that's only because the KVLY-TV mast tower is in and isolated area where their is no air traffic.

If I wanted to build a 2,200 foot building in the middle of nowhere, believe me FAA isn't going to try and stop me. You know what's funny, you ppl act like America the only place with airplane and airports.

I disagree with this. A spire is a permanent piece of the structure and is designed in concert with the building as its artistic crown. The height is (supposedly) chosen based on the artistic appeal of the overall form.

Conversely, an antenna is but an afterthought, conceived independently from the structure and is subject to change. Several skyscrapers, though none of the major ones, have seen their rooftop antennas changed but clearly that doesn't alter the form of the true building. Put another way, we technically don't need antenna except for communications purposes, but architecturally we'll always have spires.

Thus, despite their confounding impact on our judgments about skyscraper heights, there is a desicernable difference between spires and antenna.
Well by your definitions how would you define a so called Spire that is designed to be an enclosure for antennas? In addition its design does not blended with the rest of the building and certainly looks like an afterthought used to gain height.