is there a way to like someones comment on here?

also great update westmc i like how it is starting to look more elegant and tall and less fat stumpy by the day :](making sure this post is on topic)

Okay folks, so I'm gonna bring the discussion away from the big Carlos controversy. Look at this, it's from Crainsnewyork.com:

Premium leasing activity in New York trophy buildings remained strong for the third quarter in a row, according to statistics compiled by Jones Lang LaSalle on $100 per-square-foot starting rents—a harbinger that commercial rents will likely rise in all market sectors.

The stats show there were 12 spaces leased where rents started at $100 per square foot during the second quarter of 2011. There were 10 such spaces leased in the first quarter and 13 in the fourth quarter of 2010. This represents a significant jump from the seven previous quarters, the highest being the fourth quarter of 2009, with six such starting rents.

The strong recent figures show that the big-money tenants, like principals at hedge funds and equity funds, are scooping up prestigious properties again for new offices to court investors, said Mitchell Konsker, vice chairman of Jones Lang LaSalle. As these tenants get active, demand grows for space at properties such as the Seagram's and General Motors buildings as well as the towers at elite addresses such as 650 Madison Ave. or 375 Park Ave.

The importance of this high-level demand is that it generally leads to upward rent pressure in all levels of the leasing market, Mr. Konsker said. “There is a drafting effect from these higher priced properties,” he said. “Everybody benefits from this demand.”

Given the fact that there is no significant new construction planned for at least another year, the rental pressures should continue for awhile, Mr. Konsker added.


This looks promissing for the new WTC, it looks like demand for top class office space is on the rise. Do you folks think we'll see any new tenants for 1WTC any soon? I'm unexperienced in the world of real estate, so I'd like to hear what more experienced folks think about this :cheers:

With the new steel up, is 1 WTC taller than 40 Wall Street?

May the rise of this beautiful and strong-looking tower signal the rebirth of this nation from its shambles... it has happen before... it will happen again.

[QUOTE=WTCNewYork] With the new steel up, is 1 WTC taller than 40 Wall Street?

Yes 1 wtc is now ten feet taller then 40 wall.

so is it the 5th tallest building in nyc now?

Cool. It'll be third tallest by 9/11 this year ^.^

(from what I've read at least >.>)

[QUOTE=abuabu;]so is it the 5th tallest building in nyc now?

No 1 wtc has another 16 more feet to go until it surpasses American International Building for the 5th tallest spot.

With the new steel up, is 1 WTC taller than 40 Wall Street?

It is. Here you have a diagram detailing which buildings have been beaten by 1WTC and which have not. With 276m 1WTC is currently the 5th tallest in NY:

http://i53.************/deycue.jpg

Btw, by 9/11/2011 it'll be 2nd since it needs only 13m to beat BoA :cheers:

One thing I've never understood is the way the top floor and the spire connect. Isn't the top floor open to the air or something? Sorry if I'm not making sense :lol:

It seems really cheap to include a 400 foot spire to make a building 1776 feet high. I still consider it to be about 1400 feet high.

^^ I 1000% agree with you. Spires are cheating. It should have been 1776ft roof height. For me it'll always be a 1368ft building, not a 1776ft building.

I agree that making a building taller with a spire is kinda cheap. However i do like how the spire compliments 1 WTC. The ring of circles at the base of the spire go well with the straight triangular shapes of the building. The spire then goes back to the triangular theme as it rises to tie it all together. It doesn't really bother me that the spire makes it 1776" tall because the spire feels like its actually part of the building. i guess we'll have to wait and see how it looks when it is all done.

The roof would be 1776 ft high and the spire would be 2001 ft high.

It is. Here you have a diagram detailing which buildings have been beaten by 1WTC and which have not. With 276m 1WTC is currently the 5th tallest in NY:

http://i53.************/deycue.jpg

Btw, by 9/11/2011 it'll be 2nd since it needs only 13m to beat BoA :cheers:

Look. I know what I said. And I know you hate spires okay? But the official height of BoA is 1200. The official height of Chrysler is 1047.

Right now, the tallest buildings in NYC are Empire State Building (1250), Bank of America (1200), Chrysler (1047), NY Times (1047), American International (952), and THEN 1WTC (937). Like someone else said, if you're going to do the checklist, at least do it right.

What you're doing is pressing your opinion on us. I'm sure all of us would want this thing 1776 to the roof. It's not. Get over it. What you're doing is giving people who are less informed the wrong idea.

You say 1WTC right now is 13 meters shorter then Bank of America. So to someone who just came here for the first time and doesn't know any better, you're going to tell them that 1WTC is 1158 feet tall?

Get over yourself.

^^ You can attack me as much as you want but that won't change the facts.

Fact no. 1 - Height measurement to the roof isn't my idea, so I'm not "pressing my opinion on you". This measurement method was used by the CTBUH until November 2009.

Fact no. 2 - I am not misleading anybody. Somebody unexperienced my just as well think that you are misleading him/her because if somebody is unexperienced, it doesn't automaticaly mean he counts spires. When I was unexperienced I always thought that roof height is the actual official height.

Fact no. 3 - In my diagram it is clearly visible that it's a roof height diagram because the Citigroup Center is ranked above 40 Wall Street.

Fact no. 4 - I don't hate spires, I just hate them being counted to a building's height.

There, was I clear enough for you :gaah:

Truth be told, I thought the diagram was on point till, Azn_man pointed something out, to me. Now I'm looking at it and I see it's all wrong. Citigroup isn't taller than, 40 Wall street and Where the hell is American International building at?

It's one thing to do this to NYTT. But the older buildings.

You can change the rules but you can't change history.
Even if there was a rule put in place. That say only the roof of a building, counts as the buildings true height. It wouldn't effect any building built, before the rule was put in place. It's called the Grandfather clause.

Fact no. 1 - Height measurement to the roof isn't my idea, so I'm not "pressing my opinion on you". This measurement method was used by the CTBUH until November 2009.

The CTBUH has always used the architectural height for the official height rankings, which has always included spires (i.e. additions with no other use then being part of the architecture). This has also a practical reason, as it is not always possible to determine the height of the roof, such as Chrysler Building and Burj Khalifa.

I however quite strongly agree that "sticks on a roof" should not be considered. Trump Chicago has bragging rights only because that skinny pole is part of the equation. Building who have a taller mass literally can look down on Trump, but are considered to be lower buildings. I'll bring it up during the next meeting of the height committee of the CTBUH, which is this October, bus as changing the spire ruling would also change a lot of tall building history I strongly doubt there will be any rulings on that.

^^ You can attack me as much as you want but that won't change the facts.

Fact no. 1 - Height measurement to the roof isn't my idea, so I'm not "pressing my opinion on you". This measurement method was used by the CTBUH until November 2009.

Fact no. 2 - I am not misleading anybody. Somebody unexperienced my just as well think that you are misleading him/her because if somebody is unexperienced, it doesn't automaticaly mean he counts spires. When I was unexperienced I always thought that roof height is the actual official height.

Fact no. 3 - In my diagram it is clearly visible that it's a roof height diagram because the Citigroup Center is ranked above 40 Wall Street.

Fact no. 4 - I don't hate spires, I just hate them being counted to a building's height.

There, was I clear enough for you :gaah:

1. There's a reason the roof category was removed when it was. Where is Shanghai Tower's roof? Where is Petronas Tower's roofs? Abraj Al Bait's? Burj Khalifa's? Hell, even Empire State Building's roof, since no one can figure out what the hell to call that gray thing under the antennas

Roofs these days are increasingly hard to find. That's why it was removed as a category.

2. When you first get interested in skyscrapers, you don't know about the Spires vs Roof debate of the late 90's until you read up about it. Then you figure out that spires are counted towards height, which sometimes makes buildings with roofs much higher lose out.

They may or may not turn against spires afterward, but at least they know why Sears is shorter then Petronas.

3. K

4. K

This work is moving very fast, has an impressive height from now.

Very good tower is beautiful

people please leave spires alone all the top three tallest buildings in the world has them .

Feel like this thread could use a couple of photos.:doh:

http://benjaminrosamond.com/r1311640290/cc/8/0/3/12803/w/984x588-lZu7P6LsABjOOL6E.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6124/5975722449_a17438d4e4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5975722449/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5975722449/) by Benjamin Rosamond (http://www.flickr.com/people/9451351@N03/), on Flickr

great pics of 1 wtc and you could also see some great progress begin done on the Barclays Center.

nice pics

Kanto, we appreciate your effort in trying to provide a diagram for all of us, but you are wasting your time. You are misinforming everyone. As king asked, where is AIB?

Also, to call spires "cheating" seems out of line to me. Of course the architects are aware and somewhat concerned of the height of a building, but the main objective is to make it look as good as it can. Even though I don't like the look of the spire on 1 WTC, I would rather have it than nothing at all. This building would look like garbage if it stopped at the roof.

The only reason 1 WTC has a spire is to capture the attention of the city. Like a modern esb, 1wtc uses it to claim itself an iconic building, and more or less the final piece to complete the skyline. I wouldn't worry about there being an "official height". It would be easier to forget what gets called official, and just say it's pinnacle is this high, and it's roof height is that high.

Remember a few months before 9/11. The Sear Tower added a antenna, so it would surpass the North Tower as the tallest over all building in the USA. Maybe the spire is payback, that's the only thing that make sense to me lol.

Well because ESB more or less went up for the sake of going up to have WTB. With the WTC, everything needs to be perfect. They've put in loads of extra safety features which take a while to implement such as the concrete base and all that.

by World Trade Center

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5975856258_c60334c054_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65505718@N04/5975856258/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/5975857554_981398cb7f_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65505718@N04/5975857554/sizes/l/in/photostream/

The height difference on the last picture seems odd. Shouldn't the WTC be taller?

What happens if someone falls in the pit?

There are no barriers to protect the public. :sly:The ambulances will protect those falling in the pit.

Wow!!!
WTC 2 will be extremely nice and gracious, what a great skyline!
Congratulations!

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200609/09/images/wtc2.jpghttp://www.wtc.com/media/images/r/32_01_Tower2_Rendering.jpg

by World Trade Center

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5975856258_c60334c054_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65505718@N04/5975856258/sizes/l/in/photostream/

This is what I was talking about earlier. On the top floor, it looks to me like the spire and the roof connect in a weird way. It looks like the top floor is open to the air outside. Does anyone know about this? :dunno:

Any pics of the new steel that went up?
:poke:

They may or may not turn against spires afterward, but at least they know why Sears is shorter then Petronas.

Somebody who isn't familiar with skyscrapers doesn't know that Petronas were approved by the CTBUH to be taller than Bruce Willis. In fact, I doubt that anybody who isn't familiar with skyscrapers recognizes the official height because spires and antennas look identical, therefore it doesn't make any sense to accept one thin steel stick and not to accept another thin steel stick. So we could say that utilizing the official height measurement misleads unexperienced people :colbert:

Also, I would like to note that the NY Times Tower shows us an increasing trend of buildings making a cheap steel stick on their roof to massively increase their height. That's so unfair to the poor folks who build real buildings instead of thin steel sticks. I can very well imagine that in the future every new building will have a thin spire that is 99% of the roof height. This way it can giganticly boost it's height while still being considered a skyscraper :ohno:

As to the Carlos Erbse war, I think both parties should have a talk and sort things out. I still think this is one big misunderstanding. I'm sure nobody wanted to offend anybody :cheers:

But enough of my talk about height measurement, I'd like to see some updates. Before this Carlos Erbse war we saw so many update pics. Now I don't even know if we're still at 907ft. Are we still at 907ft? Somebody please tell me. Well, here's a pic from today:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

1WTC from a distance as of today:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/5975723141_4d6d334c35_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5975723141/)
Progress -1WTC and Barclays Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5975723141/) von Benjamin Rosamond (http://www.flickr.com/people/9451351@N03/) auf Flickr

Closeups as of 22-07-2011:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/5973492200_b4fe8d2629_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/5973492200/)
WTC Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/5973492200/) von nyperson (http://www.flickr.com/people/nyperson/) auf Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5972745828_20788aee61_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/5972745828/)
WTC Construction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/5972745828/) von nyperson (http://www.flickr.com/people/nyperson/) auf Flickr

This is what I was talking about earlier. On the top floor, it looks to me like the spire and the roof connect in a weird way. It looks like the top floor is open to the air outside. Does anyone know about this? :dunno:

It isn't a solid roof like you are thinking. There's a parapet covering the mechanical equipment on the top.

From the late, great, Zensteeldude:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/3984663571_9d20746ff7_o.jpg

meh:

But inside the parapit there is a small mechanical floor, right?

cool architectural drawings! more please:)

Has anyone noticed how the safety net and steel beams are already going up? I'd post a picture but my flickr account is inaccessible at the moment.

1. There's a reason the roof category was removed when it was. Where is Shanghai Tower's roof? Where is Petronas Tower's roofs? Abraj Al Bait's? Burj Khalifa's? Hell, even Empire State Building's roof, since no one can figure out what the hell to call that gray thing under the antennas

Roofs these days are increasingly hard to find. That's why it was removed as a category.



Agreed on roofs now being ambiguous. Personally, I find that all height above the highest occupiable floor should be discounted as ego, wasted money and window dressing. Especially the Burj! Sears tower or whatever they call it now is WAAAY higher than Petronas but not officially and that's kind of stupid. I remember being on the ob deck of the Sears Tower about ten years ago and it being noted that from there I could look DOWN 150 feet to where the top floor of the world's tallest building would be.

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9/11 A Decade Later: Port Authority Head Touts Progress At WTC Site
By: Bobby Cuza

The man in charge of rebuilding the World Trade Center site took NY1 on a tour this week, to look at what has been accomplished about a month-and-a-half before the 10th anniversary of the devastating terrorist attacks. NY1's Bobby Cuza filed the following report.
At 74 stories tall, the top of One World Trade Center provides a stunning view, and the building is now certifiably enormous.

The World Trade Center, it seems, is finally taking shape, although Christopher Ward, Port Authority's executive director, warns of challenges ahead.

“There’s good news and there’s bad news. The great news is obviously the plaza," said Ward. "We never thought we would have that pavilion structure, anything more than just steel for the 10-year anniversary. As you can see, it’s basically done."

The pavilion will serve as entrance to the September 11th Museum, which is not due to open until next year. T September 11th Memorial Plaza, with its twin reflecting pools and inscriptions of those lost, will be ready this September.
Further behind is the vehicle screening center, being built partly where the Deutsche Bank building once stood.

“That is, what I like to say, that’s the new memorial. That’s our new delivery," said Ward. "And you know, we’ve got a lot of hard work to get that done.”

Ward gave NY1 a wide-ranging tour of the site this week, including going up into Downtown Manhattan’s newest skyscraper. One World Trade Center is already the tallest building in Lower Manhattan, and it still has another 30 stories to go.

“Right now it is the tallest, and it’s going to soar above everything else," said Ward. "I mean, if New York loves skyscrapers, they’re going to love this building, because it is going to look impressive.”

Publishing giant Conde Nast has already signed on as anchor tenant, and interest from others means government agencies that had planned to locate in the site may need to take less space than planned.

“Two years ago, three years ago, it was just going to be government tenants, the way the original trade center was. We have such a strong market now, we don’t need that amount of government tenants,” said Ward.

Tenants are still needed to fill World Trade Center Tower 4, which is rising across the site, and Towers 2 and 3, which have yet to be built.

Man, I enjoyed that hibernation!

This is what I was talking about earlier. On the top floor, it looks to me like the spire and the roof connect in a weird way. It looks like the top floor is open to the air outside. Does anyone know about this?

As Meh_cd pointed out, the parapet isn't flat. Roof's 1334' 8" (~406.8m) above the lobby floor*. Atop there's Cooling tanks' catwalks, of course the cooling tanks, the base of spire, the window washing track, among other maintainance & mechanical equipment.

Curtain wall, mechanical and maintainance stuff & the Communication Ring aren't shown on the illustration:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/5980161674_ae1f375eb3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/)
One World Trade Center Ilustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5979606027_43e208d7e6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/)
One World Trade Center Illustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

meh:

But inside the parapit there is a small mechanical floor, right?
You mean the catwalks?

@Dino: I'm back, lets get that model done!

*Lobby floor is El. 311' 2"

Does this tower have some sort of anti-aircraft systems? :dunno:

^Yes actually. The spire is actually a missile and the "communications ring" is actually an aircraft detecting radar. If an aircraft gets too close to the tower (IIRC 5000 feet), the spire will launch itself towards the aircraft. To ensure that the aircraft is hit, the little "barrels" that make up the spire will separate to help take down the aircraft. After the first two pieces hit the aircraft, the other pieces will explode like fireworks.

While everyone on the ground is being distracted by the fireworks display, a second spire hidden within the building will rise up to it's place and the day will be saved.

Hope I could help ;)

^^ all kidding aside you may be on to something. Not really , just kidding. although I guess you never know ;)

actually made me laugh a bit. with all the security going into the building, i wouldnt have been surprised if the developers ever considered an anti aircraft system.

Does this tower have some sort of anti-aircraft systems? :dunno:

Just this one,

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/410/animation18df.gif

Just this one,

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/410/animation18df.gif

OMG...it's amazing :nuts::lol:!!!

Old ones...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6142/5976512584_9345434f15_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5976512584/)
Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5976512584/) by erinsamm8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/erinsamm8/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5975949375_8bd1f4292d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5975949375/)
Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5975949375/) by erinsamm8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/erinsamm8/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6150/5975950941_c4c3960f19_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5975950941/)
Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erinsamm8/5975950941/) by erinsamm8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/erinsamm8/), on Flickr

Just this one,

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/410/animation18df.gif

Didn't you post this the last time, somebody ask that question lol. To funny.

Just this one,


*Shrieks*

I don't think a strike would do substantial damage this building...

Didn't you post this the last time, somebody ask that question lol. To funny.

Yeah I did.

I don't know, I just get a kick out of it. This thread needs some light hearted posts, especially after the last few days...

9/11 A Decade Later: Port Authority Head Touts Progress At WTC Site
The man in charge of rebuilding the World Trade Center site took NY1 on a tour this week, to look at what has been accomplished about a month-and-a-half before the 10th anniversary of the devastating terrorist attacks. NY1's Bobby Cuza filed the following report.

At 74 stories tall, the top of One World Trade Center provides a stunning view, and the building is now certifiably enormous.

The World Trade Center, it seems, is finally taking shape, although Christopher Ward, Port Authority's executive director, warns of challenges ahead.

“There’s good news and there’s bad news. The great news is obviously the plaza," said Ward. "We never thought we would have that pavilion structure, anything more than just steel for the 10-year anniversary. As you can see, it’s basically done."

<i>9/11 A Decade Later:</i> Port Authority Head Touts Progress At WTC Site
The pavilion will serve as entrance to the September 11th Museum, which is not due to open until next year. T September 11th Memorial Plaza, with its twin reflecting pools and inscriptions of those lost, will be ready this September.

Further behind is the vehicle screening center, being built partly where the Deutsche Bank building once stood.

“That is, what I like to say, that’s the new memorial. That’s our new delivery," said Ward. "And you know, we’ve got a lot of hard work to get that done.”

Ward gave NY1 a wide-ranging tour of the site this week, including going up into Downtown Manhattan’s newest skyscraper. One World Trade Center is already the tallest building in Lower Manhattan, and it still has another 30 stories to go.

“Right now it is the tallest, and it’s going to soar above everything else," said Ward. "I mean, if New York loves skyscrapers, they’re going to love this building, because it is going to look impressive.”

Publishing giant Conde Nast has already signed on as anchor tenant, and interest from others means government agencies that had planned to locate in the site may need to take less space than planned.

“Two years ago, three years ago, it was just going to be government tenants, the way the original trade center was. We have such a strong market now, we don’t need that amount of government tenants,” said Ward.

Tenants are still needed to fill World Trade Center Tower 4, which is rising across the site, and Towers 2 and 3, which have yet to be built.
http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/special_reports/911_a_decade_later/143753/9-11-a-decade-later--port-authority-head-touts-progress-at-wtc-site

Regarding Carlos... He told me he's also sorry that this conflict turned into such a mess. It wasn't his intention that everybody in here goes nuts. Other than that he's fine.

Looks like he's going to return.

It is sad that Carlos left only a few days before same sex marriage started in NY state. I am sure there would have been amazing photos with posts in RAINBOW COLORS! :D Now that would have been quite a pick me up. :cheers:

I am sure he will come back soon enough. He is well loved here and he loves skyscrapers too much.

ANYWAY staying on topic it is good to see the tower is up to 937 feet at least. And from what I read/am seeing now the glass is almost as high at 7WTC! :banana:

It is sad that Carlos left only a few days before same sex marriage started in NY state. I am sure there would have been amazing photos with posts in RAINBOW COLORS! :D Now that would have been quite a pick me up. :cheers:

I am sure he will come back soon enough. He is well loved here and he loves skyscrapers too much.

ANYWAY staying on topic it is good to see the tower is up to 937 feet at least. And from what I read/am seeing now the glass is almost as high at 7WTC! :banana:

Did you hear about the lawsuit? :cheers:

Why doesn't the official site update their Freedom Tower renderings? I'm sure that there are many who would love to get a front profile of it at night...

Didn't you post this the last time, somebody ask that question lol. To funny.

:lol: fantastic!...that made my day :D

Since things are gettin' as the used to be, I have to say that I'm glad that erbse and Carlos made things clear..

Now let make this thread again full of pics and knowledge..

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Slips (http://www.flickr.com/photos/g_castillo/5976528504/) by Gus.Castillo (http://www.flickr.com/people/g_castillo/) on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6139/5962568865_00b6b9930f_b.jpg
Manhattan during Blue Hour.tif (http://www.flickr.com/photos/g_castillo/5962568865/) by Gus.Castillo (http://www.flickr.com/people/g_castillo/) on Flickr

July 24th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6145/5977942699_5c9496de0f_o.jpg
24 July 2011 (wide) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/5977942699/in/photostream) by jbm0 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jbm0/) on Flickr

July 25th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5974590838_a1faeab3cb_b.jpg
Cruise Ship Carnival Miracle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/5974590838/in/photostream) by pmarella (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmarella/) on Flickr

July 26th, ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7954/wtc338c.jpg

July 26th, injcsince81, WNY..

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z175/acxent/IMG_5038.jpg

Great selection Dino! :)

WTC1 is definitely dominating the skyline right now. :)

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6012/5979446495_f1c8f3bfe9_b.jpg
2011-07-26 80 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5979446495/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/) on Flickr

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6020/5979428255_41d492046b_b.jpg
2011-07-26 03 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5979428255/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/) on Flickr

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/5979427347_7756950697_b.jpg
2011-07-26 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5979427347/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/) on Flickr

Really great photos, thank you Dino :okay:


The glass facade has really grown on me. I didn't expect it to look that fantastic.
Does anyone know who's producing the facade elements for 1WTC?

July 25th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5974590838_a1faeab3cb_b.jpg
Cruise Ship Carnival Miracle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/5974590838/in/photostream) by pmarella (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmarella/) on Flickr

OMG!!!:eek2:

will they start cladding the base or for what's the scaffolding?

Does anyone know who's producing the facade elements for 1WTC?

The prismatic glass that was supposed to cover the base (2,000 pieces) was being produced in Pennsylvenia (only a few samples got produced), treated in China and tasted back here. Those panels were going to measure 4' 1/2" by 13' 3 1/4".

PPG Industries, from Pittsburg, is supplying Starphire ultra-clear, low iron glass. While Benson Industries, from Portland Oregon, is producing the finished curtain wall panels (basically joining the alluminium frame with the glass). The engineer firm Weidlinger Associates is the consultant in blast-resistant design.Those panels measure 5' by 13' 4", the glass is about 1" thick and each panel weighs about half a ton.

And as for the corner cladding, a German Company called ThyssenKrupp Nirosta is supplying the stainless steel for them. Funny fact: ThyssenKrupp Elevator, a sister company of ThyssenKrupp Nirosta is producing 71 elevators & 9 escalators for the same tower.

;)

will they start cladding the base or for what's the scaffolding?
Don't expect the podium glass by this year. I'm not sure what's the scaffolding for, but if they're sticking to the original arrangement, then maybe they're preparing to install the girts that will support cladding. ;)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6145/5977942699_bd301628a0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/5977942699/)
24 June 2011 (wide) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/5977942699/) by jbm0 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jbm0/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5976726703_ffd8a04068_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/5976726703/)
1 World Trade Center (aka the Freedom Tower) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/5976726703/) by pmarella (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmarella/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6011/5975479936_cf1c91ecd9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodington/5975479936/)
One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodington/5975479936/) by trrhodes (http://www.flickr.com/people/rhodington/), on Flickr (July 14th)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5975176083_ca72197d70_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodington/5975176083/)
Manhattan Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodington/5975176083/) by trrhodes (http://www.flickr.com/people/rhodington/), on Flickr (July 14th)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5980486382_e9b3b33488_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hememe/5980486382/)
Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hememe/5980486382/) by anhememe (http://www.flickr.com/people/hememe/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5978298756_0a009e0c64_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr-mojo-risin/5978298756/)
New York - Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr-mojo-risin/5978298756/) by mr-mojo-risin (http://www.flickr.com/people/mr-mojo-risin/), on Flickr (May 31st)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5975055307_dafe596a4e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/abnormallynormalphotographs/5975055307/)
Steam rising (http://www.flickr.com/photos/abnormallynormalphotographs/5975055307/) by APharmGirl (http://www.flickr.com/people/abnormallynormalphotographs/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5975123831_99698b6f76_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/abnormallynormalphotographs/5975123831/)
Reflections (http://www.flickr.com/photos/abnormallynormalphotographs/5975123831/) by APharmGirl (http://www.flickr.com/people/abnormallynormalphotographs/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6139/5980062480_e9ca7b5f24.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/************/5980062480/)
1 WTC, 26 July 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/************/5980062480/) by ************.com (http://www.flickr.com/people/************/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6139/5980062694_e231e82e3e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/************/5980062694/)
1 WTC, 26 July 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/************/5980062694/) by ************.com (http://www.flickr.com/people/************/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/5979734621_00098b7112_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mickleconte/5979734621/)
The View from Dumbo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mickleconte/5979734621/) by Mick Canon (http://www.flickr.com/people/mickleconte/), on Flickr

Thanks a lot for the elaborate response Otie, you're the man! :okay:

Those companies obviously are doing a magnificent job, telling by the appearance.
Let's hope it's not just looking good, but also durable and of high engineering quality.
Facades can cause a lot of problems you wouldn't expect them to cause.
Believe me, got enough of bothersome challenges with them already...

Incredible pics otie!

I know there are a few live cams out there, but seeing all these pictures right here on the thread is so convenient. Thanks.

Nice pictures people.
It would be cool if you could get a few from inside the building.
Does anyone know when the whole site will be done cause 2 and 3 have not even reached street level yet.

^^its planned to be finished some time in '13

More like around 2015.

Great Pictures!!! :-)

^^its planned to be finished some time in '13

More like around 2015.

Depends on what your definition of complete is. The building will be finished by late 2013. But the interior fit out will take some time. I'll consider 1WTC done when it's open to the public. That probably won't happen till sometime in the first half of 2014 (that's my guess anyway).

^JD47 asked when the whole site was going to be finished.

^JD47 asked when the whole site was going to be finished.

Oh I see, I don't know how I missed that :lol:

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/cVGgYbFLjZBB9Xp6bk.e6g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTQzOQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/93e7f358c0942a10f40e6a706700599b.jpg

One World Trade Center, left, rises up in the Manhattan skyline in this aerial photo, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, in New York. The tower has reached the 76th floor. The Empire State Building is at right, in background. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/photos/one-world-trade-center-left-rises-manhattan-skyline-photo-181416538.html;_ylt=AqkUiUzpGF5DHi.fMeC8A8jpV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNmbzR1NDhsBHBrZwNpZGY2OGU5NDk4NDY3NmJkNWFlMDRlODk2ODQ2NjI4Y2Q0BHBvcwMxBHNlYwNNZWRpYUNhcm91c2VsUGhvdG9zQ0EEdmVyAzY2NDFmOTEwLWI4N2MtMTFlMC1iZmRmLWJlYjQ0NjE4NmE2OA--;_ylg=X3oDMTJvb29qNWpoBGludGwDcGgEbGFuZwNlbi1waARwc3RhaWQDOWUzNjg4ZTEtYmEwMC0zMmJmLWExMDctYTI4ODlhYmFiNDI3BHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZARwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3))

Great pic was waiting for pic like that since Carlos left, i think i see a steel column for the next two floors.

Dear god this thing will be incredible when it is completed.:)

That airliner evading 1WTC made my day :lol: I didn't laugh that much for ages, thanks for posting it :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Btw, since the building has now risen 2 floors to have 76 floors I must update my checklist diagram.

1WTC is now 935 feet / 285 meters tall (from what I know :dunno:) This means it is currently the third tallest building in NY beating Chrysler Building by 3 meters, but still lacking 3 meters to reach the height of BoA:

http://i55.************/29lifif.jpg

As to the completition dates 1WTC and 4WTC will be ready in 2013, 3WTC in 2014 and 2WTC in 2015 ........ from what I know :dunno:

^

:ohno: Stop with your passive-aggressive attitude towards spires. What you are saying simply is not true. At least say that "It is currently the third tallest by roof height" or something like that, the way you put it makes it not clear and is really annoying.

There isn't a single time I post a diagram that I'm not attacked for it :ohno::rant: This is what I get for trying to contribute :rant:

Look at what I said there, I said it is 285m/935ft tall, how much clearer could I be? :rant:

maybe u should post 2 diagrams each time? one for roof and one for spire. everyone will be happy :] except people who want antenna's but screw them :P

There isn't a single time I post a diagram that I'm not attacked for it :ohno::rant: This is what I get for trying to contribute :rant:

Look at what I said there, I said it is 285m/935ft tall, how much clearer could I be? :rant:

You are saying that a 285m building is taller than the "best supertall ever" winning Chrysler building, which would have confused me if
I hadn't been previously aware of your antics.

Yes, it is taller. And in the diagram both CHB's roof height and CHB's pinnacle height are stated. I can't imagine anything being more clear :dunno:

@Kanto, there is no need to update us with false information. There is no need to say it is the 3rd tallest building in New York City when it is clearly NOT. It is however true to say that it is the 3rd tallest building by ROOF HEIGHT in New York City. Also, it is not clear. You clearly said it was the 3rd tallest building.

^^ But I also said it is 285m tall and the diagram lists both roof heights and pinnacle heights of all the buildings. It isn't my problem you are too lazy to read what is written there :ohno::rant:

People, calm down. I can't see any reason for excitement, so just stop it.

By the by, I don't think that diagram thingie makes a lot of sense without showing the current height of 1WTC in it.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/535/04nynx6.jpg

1WTC is now 935 feet / 285 meters tall (from what I know :dunno:) This means it is currently the third tallest building in NY beating Chrysler Building by 3 meters, but still lacking 3 meters to reach the height of BoA



False.

Kanto, an apple is an apple no matter how much u wanna make a banana out of it. So stop those bollocks diagrams and move on dude. Stick to the rules and dont act like a darama queen.

Great pic was waiting for pic like that since Carlos left, i think i see a steel column for the next two floors.

I think I see it too! So that would mean it's up to the 78th floor now, passing AIB. :cheers: :banana:

Congrads to all of you for putting up these awesome pics. Thank you!

Big question, albeit a rather stupid one. What exactly is the difference between a antenna and a spire?

I'm loving the Freedom Tower's spire, because it reminds me of the North Tower's antenna (only about 48 feet taller).

a spire is integrated in the original design of the tower and the purpose is for architecture looks. an antenna is usually added later and is used usually for broadcasting purposes.

a spire is integrated in the original design of the tower and the purpose is for architecture looks. an antenna is usually added later and is used usually for broadcasting purposes.

Will the spire function as an antenna, or...?

Will the spire function as an antenna, or...?

1WTC will have an antenna inside the spire..So, yes..

Kanto, an apple is an apple no matter how much u wanna make a banana out of it. So stop those bollocks diagrams and move on dude. Stick to the rules and dont act like a darama queen.

The people who attack me every time I post a diagram are drama queens, not me :ohno:

So listen now carfuly all of you haters, cause I'm not gonna repeat this, since it's off topic! I am using an official alternate measurement method which until 2009 was used by the CTBUH too! You can attack me as much as you want but I won't change it! It's funny how you have no problems attacking me for my diagram but you don't make your own diagram :ohno: Non-productive hatred is easier than doing something, huh? :rant::ohno:

^Suggestion: read what people say, don't get sensitive and evaluate your work from an objective point of view.

Dino sayed it, I rather prefer to call it a mast. A mast that encloses an antenna.

1WTC will have an antenna inside the spire..So, yes..

Inside?

Still, love the way it looks...

http://i.picoodle.com/685igreu.jpg

The people who attack me every time I post a diagram are drama queens, not me :ohno:

So listen now carfuly all of you haters, cause I'm not gonna repeat this, since it's off topic! I am using an official alternate measurement method which until 2009 was used by the CTBUH too! You can attack me as much as you want but I won't change it! It's funny how you have no problems attacking me for my diagram but you don't make your own diagram :ohno: Non-productive hatred is easier than doing something, huh? :rant::ohno:

It's 2011 now

Inside?

Still, love the way it looks...


Yes..There will also be a platform inside the spire which is symbolically called 110th floor..To match previous Tower 1 floors..

Yes..There will also be a platform inside the spire which is symbolically called 110th floor..To match previous Tower 1 floors..

That's beautiful. :cheers:

The people who attack me every time I post a diagram are drama queens, not me :ohno:

So listen now carfuly all of you haters, cause I'm not gonna repeat this, since it's off topic! I am using an official alternate measurement method which until 2009 was used by the CTBUH too! You can attack me as much as you want but I won't change it! It's funny how you have no problems attacking me for my diagram but you don't make your own diagram :ohno: Non-productive hatred is easier than doing something, huh? :rant::ohno:

I told you this the last time you did the checklist, and you never replied to it.

There's a reason that the rood category is removed.

Tell me, where is Burj Khalifa's roof? Tell me where Shanghai Tower's, Abraj Al Bait's, Petronas's, and Empire State Building's roofs are.

Roofs are getting hard to distinguish. That's why the category was removed.

And like another poster said: it's 2011.

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/5980689102_93d05da08e_b.jpg
One World Trade Center progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccho/5980689102/) by ccho (http://www.flickr.com/people/ccho/) on Flickr

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/5979870197_f8acaf3af2_b.jpg
Liberty ferry and lower Manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_marion/5979870197/in/photostream)by Phil Marion (http://www.flickr.com/people/phil_marion/) on Flickr

Is that vertical steel for the next two floors? That makes 1WTC 95X feet now! :D

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/535/04nynx6.jpg

I like the look of the original WTC being super close to the river.

I like how 1WTC is now it's own distinct building as opposed to being indistinguishable in all that skyscraper madness.

It's funny how you have no problems attacking me for my diagram but you don't make your own diagram

Could I make my own diagram then, Kanto? Maybe measuring to spire height since it sounds like thats what everyone wants..

I like the look of the original WTC being super close to the river.

You as someone from NYC should know, that on 911 it wasnt nowhere close to Hudson cuz of the WFC. The left pic is ancient, and crap to compare the complexes.

^^ he isn't the one who started the checklist. So you really don't have to ask him.

You as someone from NYC should know, that on 911 it wasnt nowhere close to Hudson cuz of the WFC. The left pic is ancient, and crap to compare the complexes.

Yeah, the addition of the WFC certainly made the whole complex look much bigger.

I find the new WTC more aesthetically pleasing than the old one, this is no disrespect, the old WTC looked nice too but the new one is just better looking.

^^ and itt'll be better integrated, than the old superblock and it's Austin Tobin Plaza. I prefer the new complex so much over the former one, allthough i sometimes have nostalgic feelings when thinking about the old one. Im curios to know hot the new WTC will look like from Wash Square Park, when seen through the arch.

That is a steel column to the 78 floor so does that make 1 wtc 962 feet?

Could I make my own diagram then, Kanto? Maybe measuring to spire height since it sounds like thats what everyone wants..

Sure thing :cheers:

Here is how to make it:

1, go to http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/

2, look below the city search window, there you'll see "Full Search Form", click on it and you'll get the menu where you'll type in the name of the city or country, measurement methods, statuses of buildings displayed, types of buildings displayed etc.

3, then just take a screenshot and edit it in MS Paint and you have a progress diagram :cheers:

Can I get the tallest in the country checklist, done correctly please.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iUTTA-T2am4/TjCJdfL8yiI/AAAAAAAAACU/cPHB-quNrrI/s1600/July%2B27th%2B2011%2BUpdate.bmp

Credit for the diagram goes to www.skyscraperpage.com

:cheers:

And so it begins lol

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/535/04nynx6.jpg

Perfection on the left.

I can guess the age of the photo being somewhere between 1981-1985. You can see the 3WTC (World Trade Center Marriot) visible, however the WFC hasnt commenced construction yet. You can also see the apartments in Battery Park City where Greenwich Boy takes his 1WTC snapshots from have been built.

people complain about 1wtc cheating because of its spire, but no question the mecca clock tower and Shanghai World Financial Center that stand on pedestals.

Guys, you can go into your Control Panel settings and block users posts from showing up. That's what I did for you-know-who's posts. I don't see any of it anymore. I suggest you do the same if it gets to you like it did me. :cheers:

Here guys

http://wirednewyork.com/webcam/

1 WTC is really standing out.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/beast_benny/datdiagram.png?t=1311806112
i kinda did some opinion of how tall columbia center is. and im not too sure if its taller than wacker but its somewhere around that :] also i kind of messed up in paint for the size :( sorry but heres a basic comparison to the united states tallest.

credit to http://www.skyscraperpage.com/ and a little goes to me for how hard it was in paint to work it out :D

people complain about 1wtc cheating because of its spire, but no question the mecca clock tower and Shanghai World Financial Center that stand on pedestals.

SWFC doesn't have a spire, mate.

That is a steel column to the 78 floor so does that make 1 wtc 962 feet?

The 78th floor is exactly 960 feet high. Add about 4 more feet for the column splice and 1WTC is currently 964 feet tall. Almost a supertall!

[QUOTE=Myster E]SWFC doesn't have a spire, mate.

I know that i am talking about pedestals

ohlawds its only 960? i guess its a foot short of wacker my bad :S

Can I get the tallest in the country checklist, done correctly please.

I'll start a US diagram once 1WTC beats BoA since it'll be for so long second tallest in NY with BoA passed and a long way to climb to the ESB.

Also, I'm glad that there are other folks now who make diagrams. Good job there :cheers: But, IanG, could you please include the heights of the buildings in your diagram too? I'm a meter user and since there is a line every 100 feet it is hard for me to get a picture of where 1WTC exactly is in it's progress :cheers:

John Hancock building looks so much bigger then bank of america tower but still loses to bank of america tower by spire.

^^ That's why I measure roof height :cheers:

Perfection on the left.

I can guess the age of the photo being somewhere between 1981-1985. You can see the 3WTC (World Trade Center Marriot) visible, however the WFC hasnt commenced construction yet. You can also see the apartments in Battery Park City where Greenwich Boy takes his 1WTC snapshots from have been built.

Hehe. Yeah. Look at the base of the North Tower! :cheers1:

The new WTC doesn't look that bad either...

In US tallest diagram, why does Trump look shorter than ESB?

And I'm talking about the right way, including spires.

In US tallest diagram, why does Trump look shorter than ESB?

And I'm talking about the right way, including spires.

because on top of empire state buildings spire is an antenna which is not counted to the official height.

esb actualy has an antenna that puts its height at 442m but this goes by spire which is shorter than trumps

I'm interested in all the different types of tallest building metrics. There is no need to bicker over which is better. They're all meaningful depending on context. Keep the diagrams coming!

I'm interested in all the different types of tallest building metrics. There is no need to bicker over which is better. They're all meaningful depending on context. Keep the diagrams coming!

i agree, just give the diagrams the fitting title and noone can be angry.

people complain about 1wtc cheating because of its spire, but no question the mecca clock tower and Shanghai World Financial Center that stand on pedestals.

How exactly does SWFC stand on a pedestal? It has a podium, but then so do a lot of buildings? If there is one building you can't bring in to this stupid spire related argument, it's SWFC...

How exactly does SWFC stand on a pedestal? It has a podium, but then so do a lot of buildings? If there is one building you can't bring in to this stupid spire related argument, it's SWFC...

Good to see you are following this thread from Shanghai. :lol:

How exactly does SWFC stand on a pedestal? It has a podium, but then so do a lot of buildings? If there is one building you can't bring in to this stupid spire related argument, it's SWFC...
did you really just waste reply space for this? i bet this is the first time youve ever posted in this thread, and its just because someone said something you didnt like about shanghai. dont waste thread space

OT: anyone know when theyre going to put up new steel for this tower?

New steel went up yesterday (one column at least), so it will be a while again.

oh didnt notice it went up yesterday. has the blue net risen yet?

oh didnt notice it went up yesterday. has the blue net risen yet?

Yes it has.

Today's progress:

Sunrise:

http://benjaminrosamond.com/r1311819174/cc/8/0/3/12803/w/1400x720-fLJ_sqqywOwI89Rr.jpg

Sunset:

http://benjaminrosamond.com/r1311819174/cc/8/0/3/12803/w/1400x720-sS_vZgGzm_LJViDL.jpg

Cheers to the boys and girls in hard hats. This will look excellent by 9/11 let alone once it is finished. Heck it's already astonishing to see in person. Great progress! :cheers:

^^ Indeed. The scale of this thing when you see it in person is something else.

I totally agree. Every time I see it, my mind is blown.

newbie that finally registered after watching this for the last year. I just CANNOT wait to be there and see it in person 9/8-15... (BRING ON THE pics from World Center Hotel!!!)... :)

newbie that finally registered after watching this for the last year. I just CANNOT wait to be there and see it in person 9/8-15... (BRING ON THE pics from World Center Hotel!!!)... :)

Welcome! :cheers:

Yeah, it is really amazing. I can't wait to see it in person.

newbie that finally registered after watching this for the last year. I just CANNOT wait to be there and see it in person 9/8-15... (BRING ON THE pics from World Center Hotel!!!)... :)

Absolutely no intentions of rubbing it in, but I see it from staten island nearly every day, and you just have to see it in person to get an idea. This building is one incredible sight.
Also welcome to the forums! I joined semi recently, but also visited the forums frequently since late '09

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/5983106492_3b522ceec8_b.jpg
Manhattan Skyline 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicolasgoulet/5983106492/in/photostream) by Nicolas_Goulet (http://www.flickr.com/people/nicolasgoulet/) on Flickr

July 26th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/5983076300_9eaa689c82_b.jpg
Manhattan Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicolasgoulet/5983076300/in/photostream) by Nicolas_Goulet (http://www.flickr.com/people/nicolasgoulet/) on Flickr

What a gorgeous view! :drool: Thanks for sharing.

I like this perspective of the bay way better than the opposite one facing WFC and others.
This one features more of the Art Déco beauties that make up most of NYC's appeal.
Sadly it's rather rarely featured.

what is 1 wtc green innovations going to be ?

can't wait to be again in NYC to see live the progress :)

can't wait to be again in NYC to see live the progress :)

are you from Croatia?

are you from Croatia?

Yes he is..:)

what is 1 wtc green innovations going to be ?


Designed to achieve LEED Gold
21% Energy Reduction
14% Energy Supply from fuel cells
30% reduction in municipal water consumption
100% stormwater runoff collection to operate cooling systems
90% of occupied spaces with natural light
50% renewable energy
Air filtration
Construction manager
Excess steam used to generate ellectricity

;)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/5982552459_0a8d2a1b42_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wischfamily/5982552459/)
NYC July 2011 006 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wischfamily/5982552459/) by Beauty Playin 'Eh (http://www.flickr.com/people/wischfamily/), on Flickr

Yes he is..:)

nice:) i'm his neighboor from Slovenia then. when i go to the US the first priority is going to be NY, but no doubt only when the whole complex is completed so i can enjoy the greatness:banana:

New World Trade Center site to deploy situational awareness platform (http://www.securityinfowatch.com/new-world-trade-center-site-deploy-situational-awareness-platform)

Diebold combining software from VidSys and Quantum Secure to create comprehensive security system
BY JOEL GRIFFIN, ASSISTANT EDITOR
SecurityInfoWatch.com
Updated: 07-27-2011 4:16 pm

In an effort to create a state-of-the-art security system for what is seen by many as one of the premier terror targets in the world, the new World Trade Center site in New York City is installing a situational awareness platform with the help of systems integrator Diebold.
To implement the robust solution the stakeholders in the project are looking for, Jeremy Brecher, vice president of technology services for Diebold, said that the company is combining VidSys' physical security information management (PSIM) software with identity and access management software from Quantum Secure to create what they're calling a comprehensive Situational Awareness Platform Software (SAPS) system.
"In terms of a software project like this with a PSIM type of product, it is very large and very unique," he explained. "What you have is a small city going up on a 16-acre site. From the deployment of software perspective, this is one of larger ones out there."
The SAPS platform will eventually integrate a wide range of systems and devices including; identity and access credential management; video surveillance; intrusion and fire alarms; building management systems; intercoms; radio communication; vehicle scheduling and management systems; and, chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) detection systems.
"There are definitely challenges associated with integrating all of these different subsystems. We're identifying the systems and products up front and trying to talk with these manufacturers way ahead of the game and talk about integration options," Brecher said. "I think a lot of these technologies are being chosen on their ability to integrate with other things, so that's part of the screening factor for them. It's really about coordinating the different technologies and the communication (protocols associated) with them."
In addition to integrating systems together for when these facilities open, Diebold has also implemented video and access control solutions at the construction site.
"It's not like your average construction site where thousands of workers can come and go as they want," Brecher said. "There is a security model in place around the construction itself and we've participated in that for a few years now."

While each facility on the site - which consists of 11 primary buildings including the new One World Trade Center skyscraper and WTC Transportation Hub - will have their own security management infrastructure, Brecher says this SAPS system will give them the capability to coordinate their security efforts with a variety of stakeholders including the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, NYPD and FDNY.
"Everyone agrees (this project) has to be handled with a certain sense of security just because of the uniqueness of the site," Brecher added. "The overall security plan, the technology plan and all the agencies working together, that started a long time ago and having that understanding of what needs to be achieved and everyone agreeing that they have to work together to figure this out has really added a lot of (cohesion) to the process."

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^^ something about that 1st picture amazes me. It seems like one of those pictures that when in 20 years it is long completed, it will be that picture that everyone looks back and reminisces over. Kind of like the twin towers famous construction photos.
1 and 4 wtc are looking great.

In the bottom left picture it's almost like they're building a render :)

That second to last picture is amazing. It shows how close we are to topping out, but yet how far it still actually is :)

^^ the third picture is my favorite. Wish I took the picture myself.

the building is amazing :-) it is by far, my favourite in NY

I'm in Newark right now, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to make my first picture update on the WTC. :)

They're putting some sort of panels up, but I'm not sure what they are. But, you can really get a sense of how much taller it is than the WFC now.

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If you're talking about those metal panels, those are for holding materials hoisted up by the crane.

That is an awesome picture Ken. I really love those close ups of real time construction.

Please post as often as you like :-) And hopefully Carlos will return too :-) :-)

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These are great pics so143: makes you reminisce the old pre 9/11 days.

A new landmark is rising, I hope the others will follow soon. :)

A new landmark is rising, I hope the others will follow soon. :)

Well seeing as 2 and 3 are not even above ground yet, it will be quite a while before they start rising.

Was around the area today couldn't see the one steel column look all over for it wish, i took some pics it was a beautiful day .

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was thinking the same thing ^^

Gotta be over 900' now.

Gotta be over 900' now.

962 feet actually :) (Possibly 964, I'm not exactly sure)

So One World Trade Centre isn't the tallest in lower Manhattan yet?

So One World Trade Centre isn't the tallest in lower Manhattan yet?

Yes it is. It just passed 70 Pine St.

heres an update diagram
yes current framing has reached lev77 or 293m/963ft. just passed 70pine st.
sort of a milestone reclaiming back the tallest title in lower manhattan. ;(

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Is it just me or has this thing risen extremely quickly in the last month? I went and saw this in the flesh exactly one month ago and it was tall then, but now it is looking like an absolute monster for the first time!

^^ believe me it's grown alot this month! I think like 6 floors, or maybe even 8 i can't remember.

Look at 1WTC now. That is how tall 4WTC will be when topped out!

It's about 10 feet away but yeah 4WTC is about that tall.

July 26th..

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That is the most beautiful construction profile photo I have seen.

correct me if im wrong, but it looks to me like the next jump will make this a supertall. is this right?

I don't know. How meaning feet is two floors?

26 feet, plus a 4 foot thing for the next floor (sorry I can't remember the word right now lol) IIRC.

Right now it is 963 feet. 963 plus ~30 feet is 993 feet. So in meters, it would be a supertall (303m), but it feet it wouldn't be. Either way, two jumps from now, Manhattan will have it's first supertall since 1974 in every sense of the word :)

26 feet, plus a 4 foot thing for the next floor (sorry I can't remember the word right now lol) IIRC.

Right now it is 963 feet. 963 plus ~30 feet is 993 feet. So in meters, it would be a supertall (303m), but it feet it wouldn't be. Either way, two jumps from now, Manhattan will have it's first supertall since 1974 in every sense of the word :)

The Twin Towers opened in 1973...and anyway they still existed in 2001, so it'll be our first supertall since 2001.

Well yeah, but I meant the first supertall constructed in Lower Manhattan since 73 :)

are you from Croatia?

Yes I am. :)

It looks like the North Tower!

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I cannot wait to see photos of that perspective. Let alone in real person.

I'm a newbie, just registrated myself. Only to let know how gorgeous the photos are, like to say how enthousiastic I am about these updates regarding the Freedomtower.
I watch every day and enjoy all of it.

This building is now massive just notice it for the first time when i go to work on the d train on stillwell ave all the way from coney island with is about 14 miles from the the sight with tells you how big it is now.

What a great design! I am certain that 1 WTC won't fail to bring back the iconic image of the New York skyline, exactly as it once was in the Twin Towers era.

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I've done this pic in december last year, and I was really nicely surprised to see the building under construction decorated like a Christmas tree...and the crane aroun too.
I love NYC and everything about it. :okay:

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^^

:cheers:

Have a question can anyone please answer me after the 88 floor the last office floor how tall will each floor be by then?

Have a question can anyone please answer me after the 88 floor the last office floor how tall will each floor be by then?

Depends..89th is 23', 90th is 21', 91st is 30', etc..Every floor has different height..

[QUOTE=DinoVabec]Depends..89th is 23', 90th is 21', 91st is 30', etc..Every floor has different height..

So if that is the case then the pace of one floor per week there is a real possibility of 1 wtc topping out by the end of this year weather permitting.

That airliner evading 1WTC made my day :lol: I didn't laugh that much for ages, thanks for posting it :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Same to me ...i sent it to some colleagues, but they didn't like it as I do .. :ohno:

It looks like the North Tower!

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Nevertheless, twin towers would have been much better! Cannot understand why they didn't build twins again...:ohno:
The twin towers were such a landmark for New York and its characteristic for the city...

^^ not THAT SHIT again.

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That looks horrendous!!! :puke:

Yeah, that does look bad. If they were to do twins they would have to be in the middle with the other towers flanking them. Not going to happen. Lets just hope they get WTC 2 up quickly. It will look bad with just WTC1 as a supertall there.

well in the movie 'click' i found it that the twin freedom towers didn't look that bad, but, no, it would be a cheap copy of the 'twins', for my eyes it looks perfect like this once WTC2 is finished..i am sorry to say that but WTC3 & WTC4 will definitly stay in the shadow of 1 + 2. i don't know which one i like more, 1 or 2 and when i'm there on the finished site, i think break my neck while i can't decide from which tower i take pictures :D

All 4 towers are going to be built. ;)

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All 4 towers are going to be built. ;)

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WOW! the first picture looks like it is for the new batman movie! so mystic..
very nice pictures..

Beekman Place, Goldman Sachs and WFC all look awesome, Lower Manhattan has so many of my favourite towers gathered in one place, it is beautiful. Another couple of years and the four WTC towers will join the club and make the LM skyline even more breathtaking.

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Get rid of towers 2 and 3 and that would be perfect.

Get rid of towers 2 and 3 and that would be perfect.

noooo! tower 2 is a masterpiece!!!

...I wonder, why they didn't start with tower 2 simultanously with tower 1..

Get rid of towers 2 and 3 and that would be perfect.

I think the design is perfect as is. I would of gone for a height increase though, 1wtc roof at 1776 and spire at 2001 with 2wtc roof at 1776 and spire at 1787(year constitution was signed) and 3wtc at 1607 (year Jamestown was inhabited) but oh well :cheers:

^^ cool ideas, I'm sure SOM & RSH, the architects of 1 & 2 thought about something like that. I'm guessing they were thinking it would be too high if they went with those dates.

Otie, your first two photos.............:uh: Oink oink (that's my heart)

I think the design is perfect as is. I would of gone for a height increase though, 1wtc roof at 1776 and spire at 2001 with 2wtc roof at 1776 and spire at 1787(year constitution was signed) and 3wtc at 1607 (year Jamestown was inhabited) but oh well :cheers:

Tower 1 is maybe the only tower to feature sensitive numbers... the purpose for all towers is to primarly recover the office space lost, and since economics aren't doing well, extra office space isn't the best option.

Can you guys FINALLY stop the twin BS all over again and again and again? Its fucking annoying to see it every few pages, get over it, move on. There wont be twins again, thats it LOL.

July 28th, 2011

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26 feet, plus a 4 foot thing for the next floor (sorry I can't remember the word right now lol) IIRC.

Right now it is 963 feet. 963 plus ~30 feet is 993 feet. So in meters, it would be a supertall (303m), but it feet it wouldn't be. Either way, two jumps from now, Manhattan will have it's first supertall since 1974 in every sense of the word :)

The 78th floor is exactly 960 feet (then you add another 4 feet for the column splice). The next two floors will take it to 986 feet 8 inches. Then another 4 feet for the splice, and it'll be ~990-991 feet tall.

The 78th floor is exactly 960 feet (then you add another 4 feet for the column splice). The next two floors will take it to 986 feet 8 inches. Then another 4 feet for the splice, and it'll be ~990-991 feet tall.

They should be over 1000 feet by the 11th no problem, then.

from the Brooklyn famous view wont 1wtc roof be pretty much even looking to the beekmen when finished? maybe almost look like they were twins at night :]

I hope not

Can you guys FINALLY stop the twin BS all over again and again and again? Its fucking annoying to see it every few pages, get over it, move on. There wont be twins again, thats it LOL.


It is a relivent and interesting discussion to many and directly related to this thread. If it doesn't interest you simply skip over it.

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..just that you know how much i appreciate that picture, i made to my desktop background hehe :D

...ah i think i never get bored watching pictures of the rising WTC..

It is a relivent and interesting discussion to many and directly related to this thread. If it doesn't interest you simply skip over it.

No, it isnt DIRECTLY RELATED to this thread. This thread is dedicated to the construction of 1WTC and not to talk abt the possibility of twins. BS talk abt possible twins, 911 conspiracy and city vs city debates have ruined this thread several times and have even caused a temporary closure by a mod. There is simply no need to debate abt possible twins all over again and again and again. Even in the NYC section, there was a thread which was closed which was dedicated to talk abt possible twins lol. Ask a mod to allow you all to open a "twin talk thread" in the nyc section and go on THERE with this rubbish. There wont be twins again, so i really dont see the point to talk abt it.:ohno:

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Now corners are wider :cheers:

The spire of the new 1WTC will only be 49' higher than the old one which was 1727'. In the back of mind, I was assuming it was going to be like 200' feet higher. However, it will be far more substantial and beautiful.

Bugs

what are the odds that for the next 4 months they will do 6 floors per month so that they could top out by the end of this year.

Lovely photos NYCD.

I must say....

In your 2nd photo it looks like Goldman Sachs has the ESB's spire, lol.

what are the odds that for the next 4 months they will do 6 floors per month so that they could top out by the end of this year.

After the office floors they are largely mechanical floors. Those are much bigger and more intricate. They'll take longer to build.

from the Brooklyn famous view wont 1wtc roof be pretty much even looking to the beekmen when finished? maybe almost look like they were twins at night :]

Err, no, not in the slightest.

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:lol: That's what I noticed too! So now we can say, it would look good! :lol:

When will the sides become a perfect octagon?

^About a month ago

wow im so late then

You sure are lol. But it's ok you can watch, the rest get built.

^^ not THAT SHIT again.

Can't he have his own opinion?

Nevertheless, twin towers would have been much better! Cannot understand why they didn't build twins again...:ohno:
The twin towers were such a landmark for New York and its characteristic for the city...

Hehe, I would like it too. I too, feel that Twins would have been better. It looks so empty between 1 WTC and 2 WTC, but where you put the second Freedom Tower was unrealistic, to be honest. No offense!

I'm happy with what we have, though.