I've been working for about an hour now on determining a path for a new freeway that should be built from the 60 to the 22 in East LA County. There is a significant need for a freeway there to relieve traffic from the 5 and 57. If anyone knows a way for me to show the path I came up with, could you please show me?

I've tried to reduce eminent domain issues to a minimum by building putting the path through rivers and rail, but there are a still a significant number of properties to purchase for this plan.

upload it on photobucket copy past the URL:)

I have the plan all in my head and written on a piece of paper, but I need a way to visually show it. I'm gonna try to do it, but it'll be a big image.

i have already been working on a google maps baised massive image of the 195os proposed highways and damiens mass transit map. i was just doing it for the hell of it but i will look at your idea aswell

so i just drew a path over the plan for the huntington beach freeway with some alterations to try to save some houses were i could find them and i can tell you right away that there is no way in hell this would ever been done with the normal way of building highways that is done here. thousands of homes would be buldozed and many many factories/warehouses/stores would be demolished.

the only way i could think of this happening would be a raised freeway or tunnel. the raised freeway could possible run down knott or valley view by the 22 and run north untill the 91/5. this interchange would need a major renovation to hook up with out turning fullerton into an east la counterpart.

run north more to colima rd and fallow that... and somehow get over the hill. perhaps like the 1o1 by universal with cahuenga. and getting from there to the 60 is gona kill alot of houses no matter what the approch. it could possibly fallow hacienda blvd and connect but i dont know how that would work with freeway turning radiuses. then the intechange has to be built...

Freeways..... have you fellows not learned anything here at SSC?

^^ I think it would need to be a tunnel. With a tunnel you save the houses and such and tunnels are just plain cooler than a cement slab running through a neighborhood.

^^ I think it would need to be a tunnel. With a tunnel you save the houses and such and tunnels are just plain cooler than a cement slab running through a neighborhood.


^^ Tunnels in Earthquake country is more complicated than you think. Besides that's the reason why new transit is coming on board. As much needed to alleviate congestion on our local freeways. I for one is sick and tired of silly tourist (bas drivers) window shopping and contributing to gridlock. We need change and fast.....

If they keep building freeways in LA metro, Angelenos will never give up their cars!!! We want an efficient world class mass transit system. Build rail not freeways.

The problem with a freeway in that area is that theyre aren't any passes through those foothills to fit a freeway. The 57 does well because it follows the pass through brea canyon. Theres a big steep hill between hacienda heights and la habra that is fully developed on both sides.

The other thing is that people who live in those neighborhoods of la mirada, la habra and west fullerton chose to live there. the 91 and 57 and especially the 5 freeways have been there for quite a long time. If these people wanted to be closer to a freeway, theres plenty of those around that they could have lived closer to.

Yeah let's keep building freeways!

http://www.transfuture.net/freeway_283.jpg

intense, sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!^^

Yeah let's keep building freeways!

http://www.transfuture.net/freeway_283.jpg

The 405 circa 2020.

The nearly $7 billion it will take to build the 710 tunnel because of treating SoPas with kid gloves while bulldozing down everyone else's homes could fund the Red Line to the ocean, finish the Expo Line, build a downtown connector and quite possibly build the entire Harbor Transitway into a rail line.

http://www.mta.net/board/Items/2006/05_May/20060503RBMItem45handout.pdf

This freeway would have a corridor for light rail in it, and would be used greatly if the green line was extended to reach this freeway. We all know how much we need a line to Orange County. It might get Anaheim to build a system of its own.

The nearly $7 billion it will take to build the 710 tunnel because of treating SoPas with kid gloves while bulldozing down everyone else's homes could fund the Red Line to the ocean, finish the Expo Line, build a downtown connector and quite possibly build the entire Harbor Transitway into a rail line.

http://www.mta.net/board/Items/2006/05_May/20060503RBMItem45handout.pdf

Well said, putting the whole issue in perspective.

LA County should fix up its portion of the 5 fwy and add a light rail line in the middle. The OC portion of the 5 is awesome, but when you hit LA county line its bottleneck nightmare.

I read somewhere that LA County will start to expand the portion of the 5 between the 605 and Orange County around 2010. So those commuters from OC driving alone to work In LA have to put up with the bottleneck until 2010 or take the train. Thankfully I don't live in the OC*

Funny, this was not mentioned in the MTA's Long Term Projects. Only carpools and the 710 tunnel is mentioned. Hopefully no more freeways will be added to the LTP anytime soon. I say 'let them eat CO2'.

Tunnels Please. I'm sick of traditional freeways, they fill up as quick as you build them. There is capacity and that capacity is underneath the EXISTING freeways and interstates. No eminent domain! No major environmental damage! Just an upgraded infrastructure project. Who cares if the Pasadena tunnel cost 7 billion, build it man and put a fat and necessary toll system to help pay for the thing. Easy.

Nobody cares about earthquakes, tell Tokyo you can't build tunnels in a dense earthquake prone city. Build it to the highest quality and with the best security and emergency features.

Enough Already with the status quo traditional outlook of freeways. If you absolutely have to build it then its time to go underground.

Nobody cares about earthquakes, tell Tokyo you can't build tunnels in a dense earthquake prone city. Build it to the highest quality and with the best security and emergency features.


yes but japan is obsessed with perfection. us is obsessed with paying the least amount of money with the for the second to worst materials

I look forward to the day when LA county is totally paved over for traffic.

and i look forward to the day when muonster is burnt to the ground by toliet creatures...

and i look forward to the day when muonster is burnt to the ground by toliet creatures...

Well I guess I have something else to look forward to then. The day you learn to spell. Thats some good grammar you have there. What grade are you in 4 or 5?

4th

Well then respect your elders. I'm in the 7th grade.

Well then respect your elders. I'm in the 7th grade.

You mean you are in the first year of the 7th grade. Seriously..get your fucking retarded ass out of this forum. It's dumb enough as it is. We don't need more people here do dumbass it up further.

Dude yes get out calvin W

...joey likes them young

haha
nevermind what i said

^I don't think his age has anything to do with it Joey. Just read some of his comments.

Tunnels Please. I'm sick of traditional freeways, they fill up as quick as you build them. There is capacity and that capacity is underneath the EXISTING freeways and interstates. No eminent domain! No major environmental damage! Just an upgraded infrastructure project. Who cares if the Pasadena tunnel cost 7 billion, build it man and put a fat and necessary toll system to help pay for the thing. Easy.

Not quite. Freeways and roads compete with mass transit for funding, ESPECIALLY capital investment. Every dollar spent BY the state for the Pasadena tunnel is a dollar less available for a Wilshire subway. This is one of a thousand reasons to oppose freeway expansion.

Wow good to see LA has a sense of humor? :bash:

If you want me to leave apologize for your remarks and I may leave. But then I really don't have to. So you have a choice take it or leave it.

Like I said before can't wait for the whole county to be paved over.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't wait for the day the Chinese take over all of Canada.

good old US ignorance shining bright!

^TROLL. BTW, how's the weather up there in Canada? ;)

good old US ignorance shining bright!

Your ignorance shone first, oh Canuck punk.
Yeah, I can't wait until L.A. gets paved over either...as long as your dismembered corpse is embedded in the concrete. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow with this warm hospitality I can't wait to recommend LA to everyone I know.

I have checked out sections all over this site and this is by far the worst in terms of hospitality. I will pop in from time to time just to stick another log on the fire.

Not quite. Freeways and roads compete with mass transit for funding, ESPECIALLY capital investment. Every dollar spent BY the state for the Pasadena tunnel is a dollar less available for a Wilshire subway. This is one of a thousand reasons to oppose freeway expansion.

totally agree......we need to stop and realize where our priorities are in transportation funding and building freeways everywhere doesnt seem to be helping...so of course we need to stop all new freeway projects and only spend money on mass transit with the occasional carpool lane or upgrade etc....this seems obvious to me:dunno:

totally agree......we need to stop and realize where our priorities are in transportation funding and building freeways everywhere doesnt seem to be helping...so of course we need to stop all new freeway projects and only spend money on mass transit with the occasional carpool lane or upgrade etc....this seems obvious to me:dunno:



I concur that the time is right to pay for rails before roads. My point is that I would prefer to see tunnels as opposed to normal roads.

Wow with this warm hospitality I can't wait to recommend LA to everyone I know.

I have checked out sections all over this site and this is by far the worst in terms of hospitality. I will pop in from time to time just to stick another log on the fire.

LOL, you treat people like shit and you'll get teated like shit in return. You expect to be treated like a god when you come here for the sole purpose of insulting? What do you fuckin expect, kid? You obviously don't come here to learn about Los Angeles, you're just here to dispense your ignorance. Others come here to actually learn, and we treat them with respect, because they've shown us respect. If that's what they teach you out there in Muenster Cheese, Canada, then you must really come from a fucked-up place.

Go back to your World of Warcraft. We don't need your short log.

Wow with this warm hospitality I can't wait to recommend LA to everyone I know.

I have checked out sections all over this site and this is by far the worst in terms of hospitality. I will pop in from time to time just to stick another log on the fire.

You give us little reason to welcome you with open arms. Since the moment you entered this forum you've been nothing but rude. Next time you come in this forum and start trolling, I'll notify the mod. Check the "trolling and antagonist posts" sticky thread at the top. ;)

Wow good to see LA has a sense of humor? :bash:

If you want me to leave apologize for your remarks and I may leave. But then I really don't have to. So you have a choice take it or leave it.

Like I said before can't wait for the whole county to be paved over.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

buddy.

look at the announcement at the top...on the front page of this sub-forum. about trolling...

if you don't have anything constructive to add then don't post at all. capice?

consider this a warning. the next step will be a 2 week suspension.

LOL, you treat people like shit and you'll get teated like shit in return. You expect to be treated like a god when you come here for the sole purpose of insulting? What do you fuckin expect, kid? You obviously don't come here to learn about Los Angeles, you're just here to dispense your ignorance. Others come here to actually learn, and we treat them with respect, because they've shown us respect. If that's what they teach you out there in Muenster Cheese, Canada, then you must really come from a fucked-up place.

Go back to your World of Warcraft. We don't need your short log.

YES!!