[Prague] Olympic Games 2020 [Archive]

Qtya

February 25th, 2007, 02:13 PM

hmmm, though I'm a big Prague-fan I don't believe a city with a population of just 1.2m will ever get it. Leipzig (in Germany) didn't even make the cut last time to be nominated for the final 5 bids for the 2012 summer games which London eventually won.... this was proof that (at least for the moment) the IOC is not interested in concepts that try to host the games in 'smaller cities' with smaller budgets and more eco-friendly games ... (i know Prague is about twice the size of Leipzig, but I think it's still not large enough for that matter).

... but I have no doubt Prague doesn't really need the games anyway - you already have a fantastic, beautiful city, with loads of good projects that'll make it more and more beautiful and liveable.... :)

You forgot one little info... Prague is capital, IOC has a prepossessed favour of giving the Games to capitals (Leipzig is not). And Prague as Budapest (biding too) is representing a totally new reagion. Central-Eastern Europe never had the Games before!

kokpit

February 25th, 2007, 05:14 PM

^ I agree with Qtya here, Prague and Budapest are representing whole region, Leipzig is just one of many cities in Germany.
Moreover, If we get the bid, it will be matter of whole country, not only Prague.

MasonicStage™

February 25th, 2007, 06:23 PM

Can someone post the list of the candidate cities?...if it exists? Prague has good chances if other candidate cities are approximately the samo size as Prague.

Marek.kvackaj

February 25th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Can someone post the list of the candidate cities?...if it exists? Prague has good chances if other candidate cities are approximately the samo size as Prague.

Potential bids for OG 2020
* 1.1 Budapest, Hungary
* 1.2 Busan, South Korea
* 1.3 Cape Town, South Africa
* 1.4 Copenhagen, Denmark
* 1.5 Geneva-Lyon, Switzerland-France
* 1.6 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
* 1.7 Prague, Czech Republic
* 1.8 Warsaw, Poland
* 1.9 Detroit, Michigan, USA
* 1.10 Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane or Adelaide, Australia
* 1.11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Qtya

February 25th, 2007, 07:25 PM

Budapest vs. Prague and Warsaw...
Niceeeee... :nocrook:

kokpit

February 26th, 2007, 12:16 AM

That will be bloodshed :horse:

:D

Qtya

February 26th, 2007, 12:39 AM

Vienna could join too... :banana:

Massacre... :colgate:

Ataman

February 26th, 2007, 03:57 AM

Budapest once won the Olympic bid in 1920, but since Austria-Hungary was on the loosing side of World War I, Budapest was punished and Amsterdam hosted instead.

It would be an interesting coincidence if Budapest could win the 2020 bid, exactly 100 years after it won (and then lost) the 1920 bid.

-Ataman

Qtya

February 26th, 2007, 01:23 PM

Not to mention 1960... When Budapest "had" the games. But in the final round we withdrawed our bid, because of Moscow's "friendly" pressure... Thx again "Big Brother"! Thx for everything! :applause: :nocrook: :okay: :puke: :gaah:

Qtya

February 26th, 2007, 01:57 PM

BTW way I would defenetly put the Tamas Gyarfas - Laszlo Vajda duo in the position of leading the Hungarian bid.
I know Tamas Gyarfas is an individual who is very questionable, but we must agree he is doin' a hell of a job with the Euro 2012 bid...
Without him we would probably lose...

alesmarv

March 1st, 2007, 03:19 PM

IOC wants to try and downscale the summer games even more after 2012 because they have goten to big for most cities in the world. They already helped out alot by scraping baseball and softball which required several(dont remeber how many) stadiums that were almost useless in 90% of the countries that hosted the games. In my opinion Prague is capabel of hosting the summer games, though it would be a huge undertaking. Good thing though is that it has a huge advantage over the other nearby cities that could be biding such as Budapest and Warsaw by having a stronger corporate base(from my understanding), and having a huge hotel capacity and a proven track record of handling huge volumes of visitors(tourists). Another thing that deffenitly doesnt hurt is the fact that the IOC has a liking for Prague and as someone above mentioned the fact that this region of Europe has not hosted the games before. Also people mention the fact that Prague is too small at 1.2 million but fail to realize that within a two hour drive/train ride you have another probably 3-4 million atleast and just the country of Czechia which is reletivly small has over 10 million people and has one of the highest densities in Europe. Compare this to say Philedelphia which doesnt have nearly as many people as Prague within a short flight/drive, or Detroit which is in a state that is twice the size of Czechia and has only 11 million people. Anyways the only real difference population makes is the finacing of the games while the facilities can easily be temporary and dowscaled to fit the needs of the city after the games.

Personaly I hope that Prague gets the games, but if I would have to choose between Poprad winter games or Prague summer games I would go with Poprad because the games would hage biger economic benefits. But in my mind Prague would have a net benefit of hosting them...so long as it stays within budget and doesnt go overboard...I must admit im a bit scepticl about Prague being able to do this but I say go for it...
theres my little rant...

kokpit

March 1st, 2007, 04:09 PM

^ These are my arguments too. But I have to admit both Warsaw and Budapest would be stiff competitors for Prague. May be if Hungary win together with Croatia bid for Euro 2012 and Krakow will host winter olympic in 2018, than Prague will remain the only city from CE in this bid and that will increase it's chances. But enough of these speculations for now...

nike7

March 1st, 2007, 08:21 PM

http://www.budapestiolimpia.hu/?lang=eng&page_id=21

Qtya

March 1st, 2007, 09:52 PM

Yes... You are right Kokpit. Deadline for the bids is 2013... Not tomorrow...

Mo Rush

March 1st, 2007, 10:39 PM

Yes... You are right Kokpit. Deadline for the bids is 2013... Not tomorrow...

Deadline is 2011 to submit official interest.

kokpit

March 17th, 2007, 06:21 PM

Next week Prague local authority will decide if Prague will bid for 2016 Summer Olympics.
However most people probably don't support this idea today.
I found some variant renderings

http://www.urhmp.cz/portal/page/portal/URHMP_Public/OLYMP/DOKUMENTY/areal_letnany_varianty/overovaci_studie/minimalni_varianta/9_vstupni_prostor.jpg

more here (in Czech)
http://www.urhmp.cz/portal/page/portal/URHMP_Public/OLYMP/praha_olympijska.html

MasonicStage™

March 18th, 2007, 09:15 AM

^^ I don't find it accetable either. IMO Prague has maybe the best chances on 2020 bids, but unfortunately it can't compete with megacities like L.A. or Chicago (not in economic way) on 2016 bids.

kokpit

March 18th, 2007, 01:06 PM

^ they know it and don't calculate they could win. None of cities biding for Olympic games win for the first time, so they plan to try bid for 2016 for size and then seriously 2020 (and 2024 may be).

MasonicStage™

March 18th, 2007, 07:38 PM

^^ yeah, you're right! If not in 2020, then surely Prague in 2024.:cheers:

Ady

March 18th, 2007, 07:57 PM

kokpit

March 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM

Ady

March 18th, 2007, 09:39 PM

^ you're right, but we have strong sport tradition as well. True is that we focus no less on winter olympics (ice hockey, skiing...) so our forces are dissipated in this way.
It's obvious it's not easy to succeed in olympic bid but I think it's worth a try at least.

Of course, competition is always a good thing :) I think Czechia, and especially Slovakia would have a better chance at hosting the winter olympics. In winter sports Hungary is near zero :nuts:

Mo Rush

March 18th, 2007, 09:41 PM

I think, if several CE cities will bid for 2020, of these Budapest will have the biggest chance, for one simple reason: it is the capital of the CE country with the strongest olympic tradition. And this is a considerable factor, since many IOC members are formers athletes themselves. In fact, Hungary is the only country in the all-time olympic top-10 (ranked #7 in total of medals won since the modern olympics were founded in 1896) that never hosted the games themselves, and it has the highest per capita # of medals won, of all countries in the world.

This could be the decisive factor, since the others, like size of urban agglomeration, infrastructure, economic strength and experience with previously hosted intl. sports events are roughly equal for Bp, Pg and Ww.

I'm all for Prague bidding, but 2016 will be tough for Prague, it might even fail to shortlist considering the major cities battling it out. It needs to work towards an excellent venue plan and ensure great gvt support along with some good finances. 2020 might be its closest chance to shortlisting but even then it might be up against cape town, rio, buenos aires, delhi as the new frontiers make a combined push for the games.

kokpit

March 18th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Of course, competition is always a good thing :) I think Czechia, and especially Slovakia would have a better chance at hosting the winter olympics. In winter sports Hungary is near zero :nuts:

For winter olympics the only countries out of V4 that have chance to win the bid is Slovakia or Poland (because they have High Tatras). :)

Ady

March 18th, 2007, 09:54 PM

I'm all for Prague bidding, but 2016 will be tough for Prague, it might even fail to shortlist considering the major cities battling it out. It needs to work towards an excellent venue plan and ensure great gvt support along with some good finances. 2020 might be its closest chance to shortlisting but even then it might be up against cape town, rio, buenos aires, delhi as the new frontiers make a combined push for the games.

Hey Mo Rush! Are you also on Gamesbids forum?

kokpit

March 18th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Mo Rush

March 18th, 2007, 11:52 PM

Hey Mo Rush! Are you also on Gamesbids forum?
yeah. but my login is not working anymore.

Ady

March 18th, 2007, 11:55 PM

That's too bad... Do you still have the email address you had when you registered? If not, then it can be problematic. But it's always worth a shot to write the administrators. I remember I once had a brief discussion with one of them, and they were very forthcoming.

BTW, my nick is Attila there :)

Mo Rush

March 18th, 2007, 11:58 PM

Qtya

March 19th, 2007, 01:05 AM

I think, if several CE cities will bid for 2020, of these Budapest will have the biggest chance, for one simple reason: it is the capital of the CE country with the strongest olympic tradition. And this is a considerable factor, since many IOC members are formers athletes themselves. In fact, Hungary is the only country in the all-time olympic top-10 (ranked #7 in total of medals won since the modern olympics were founded in 1896) that never hosted the games themselves, and it has the highest per capita # of medals won, of all countries in the world.

This could be the decisive factor, since the others, like size of urban agglomeration, infrastructure, economic strength and experience with previously hosted intl. sports events are roughly equal for Bp, Pg and Ww.

I think Ady has a point here. I'm on the same opinion. But if Prague is going to bid for the 2016 Games, the czech capital will have a huge advantage against the other CE capitals at the 2020 bidding... And even with a Tamas Gyarfas - Laszlo Vajda duo lead Hungarian bid would fail against the candidate city of Prague bidding for the second time...
And if Prague takes the games in 2020, no Olympics for the others in the region untill at least 2032... God, I'll be 48 then...

Qtya

March 19th, 2007, 01:09 AM

Come on Guys in Czechia! Have a heart and take the hand of Budapest and Warsaw for a fair contest... Bid for the 2020 Games! :lol:

kokpit

March 19th, 2007, 01:15 AM

^ I like your humour :D

Yes, it will be Central-European massacre, may be this is the scenario:
Hungary & Croatia win bid for Euro 2012
Krakow win bid for Winter Olympics in 2018
Prague lose bid for Summer Olympics in 2016, 2020, 2024...

:lol: I'm really looking forward to this gaming :nocrook:

kokpit

March 19th, 2007, 01:15 AM

double

Qtya

March 19th, 2007, 01:24 AM

Apart from our little regional competition, I hope our bids will be a lot more professional and more successful than for example Istambul's... Bidding for the 5th consequence time without any positive result...

Qtya

March 19th, 2007, 01:36 AM

MasonicStage™

March 19th, 2007, 09:09 AM

Guys, don't be so pessimistic! In next 10 years Central Europe will be the center of the World:lol: Everybody will win:cheers:

peterthegreat

March 19th, 2007, 09:24 AM

Qtya

March 19th, 2007, 11:10 AM

with this weather there will be no snow by 2030 in Tatras....:ohno:

^^ :cry: I'm pretty much a Winter fan... The current weather is tragic for me...

lukasHa

March 19th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Qwert

March 19th, 2007, 04:27 PM

Hungary & Croatia win bid for Euro 2012
Krakow win bid for Winter Olympics in 2018
Czech & Slovak joint bid win the Football World Cup 2018
Budapest win the bid for Summer Olympics 2024
Poprad win the bid for Winter Olympics 2026 maybe 2030

I'm not sure about Czechia but in Slovakia there's not a single football stadium where could Football world cup or Euro and Champion's league or UEFA cup final take place. So I consider this your post as a joke.:lol:

MasonicStage™

March 19th, 2007, 11:26 PM

^^

Don't be so pessimistic. In Carinthia/Austria for example it's now snowing. There will be snow.
At least due to an atomic winter ( -> USA wants to build a radar in Czechia and Poland :bash: ) :lol:

Yess! There will be winter but it is going to fluctuate in couple of months before or after.:cheers:

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 01:58 PM

Local Prague authority decided today that Prague will bid for Summer Olympics in 2016. 50 deputies declared for, 10 against, 7 abstained (it was quite surprising, more tight poll was expected before).
So Prague is serious-minded applicant for Summer Olympic Games from today.

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 02:02 PM

Prague to bid for 2016 Olympics

PRAGUE, Czech Republic: Prague will bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics. City spokesman Jiri Wolf said 50 deputies in the 70-member municipal assembly voted in favor of the bid Thursday, with 10 against and seven abstaining.

While the assembly said Prague will try its best to get the 2016 Olympics, the move is widely considered a trial run for the 2020 Games.

Bid cities must submit a letter of interest to the International Olympic Committee by Sept. 15, and the host city will be chosen in 2009.

Other cities expected in the race include Rio de Janeiro, Brazil; Madrid, Spain; Rome, and Tokyo. The U.S. Olympic Committee is deciding between Los Angeles or Chicago as its 2016 candidate. Doha, Qatar, and Baku, Azerbaijan, have also expressed interest.

Prague has never staged the Olympics. The city made an unsuccessful bid for the 1924 games, which took place in Paris. According to a recent opinion poll, 60 percent of Czechs favor hosting the Olympics, with only 15 percent opposed.

Many facilities would have to be built from scratch. The main stadium for track and field would likely be located in the capital's northeastern Letnany area.

Some competitions would take place in other Czech cities, including Brno, Ostrava, Olomouc and Plzen. The Lipno dam near the border with Austria would host sailing and yachting races.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/22/sports/EU-SPT-OLY-Prague-2016.php

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 02:09 PM

one more article:

Prague- The city of Prague will bid for hosting the summer
Olympic Games in 2016, the Prague assembly agreed today, confirming an earlier decision of the municipal council.

The official bid must be sent by mid-September and the International Olympic Committee will select five candidates next year and the winner will be elected in October 2009.

Fifty out of 63 assemblymen present today voted in support of the Olympics, while 10 were against them and three abstained from the vote.

"Our studies conclude that the Olympic Games may be profitable for Prague," Prague Mayor Pavel Bem said.

Bem said that today´s decision was only the first step towards the bid and that Prague can withdraw its application during the process if it comes out that the Olympics would not be good for the city.

"The Olympic Games must bring a profit. If Prague would have to get indebted over them, we will not organise them," Bem said.

It is generally expected that Prague will not succeed with its bid for the Olympics in 2016. "It is 99-percent certain that the 2016 games will be in a different continent than Europe," Bem said in connection with the fact that the 2012 Olympics will be held in London.

As Prague is applying to host the Olympics for the first time, its present candidacy is considered rather as a preparation for the bid for the Olympics in 2020 or 2024.

The Prague City Hall will found an organisation called Olympic Prague organisation in cooperation with the Czech Olympic Committee (COV) that will be in control of the organisation of the bid. The city put 15 million crowns in the organisation.

According to a 2004 study, Prague Olympics would cost some 136 billion crowns and make a profit of 25 billion crowns.

Apart from this, the country would have to invest further 490 billion crowns in infrastructure. But supporters of the Olympics argue that the Czech Republic needs the infrastructure to be developed anyway.

($1=21.016 crowns)

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=243106

jazapp

March 22nd, 2007, 04:34 PM

I´m all for the Olympics as it would mean massive infrastructure investments the country needs anyway. Not to mention that most of the EU structural funds support for infrastructure will be over by 2013 and this money needs to be spent before this date. This is a great opportunity to kick it up a notch over here.

Hmmm... not to mention I just bought a flat within walking distance from proposed main Olympic venue. :)

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 05:06 PM

^ yeah, I support this idea too :okay: Well, it will be quite hard for Prague to win this bid but it's worth a try.

BTW welcome to SSC forum :)

Qtya

March 22nd, 2007, 05:54 PM

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 06:37 PM

:badnews: :cry: :badnews: :cry:
:baeh3: :lol: :okay:

Mo Rush

March 22nd, 2007, 07:06 PM

good luck prague...looking forward to a superb plan

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 07:11 PM

^ Thank you, I hope Cape Town will win the 2016 bid. It would be probably horror if Prague would accidentally win it :lol:

Mo Rush

March 22nd, 2007, 07:19 PM

^ Thank you, I hope Cape Town will win the 2016 bid. It would be probably horror if Prague would accidentally win it :lol:

cape town wont be bidding for 2016, but watch out for 2020.

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 07:31 PM

^ sorry, I've read it on wikipedia (not reliable source)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics#South_Africa

MasonicStage™

March 22nd, 2007, 09:52 PM

^ Thank you, I hope Cape Town will win the 2016 bid. It would be probably horror if Prague would accidentally win it :lol:

Good for Prague:okay: Just imagine Prague getting the Games in 2016!!!
Holy crap...:lol:

kokpit

March 22nd, 2007, 10:09 PM

^ yeah, that would be good joke :lol:

kokpit

April 1st, 2007, 11:28 AM

Prague Olympic logo - Golem
http://i.idnes.cz/07/033/maxi/VOT19fc7f_OH_Praha_1.jpg

:rofl: :rofl:

ban Bank

April 2nd, 2007, 06:42 AM

/\ /\ /\

Jarmila Kratochvilova? :D

kokpit

April 2nd, 2007, 08:59 AM

^ ur right :lol:

don't take it seriously, just 1st April joke ;)

MasonicStage™

April 3rd, 2007, 09:16 AM

^ ur right :lol:

don't take it seriously, just 1st April joke ;)

Even though it's a 1st mapril joke, it looks quite nice :okay: :lol:

kokpit

April 6th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Olympic games In Prague yes but not with Czech corrupted politians...
but it's utopia anyway....

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 10:42 AM

I think, if several CE cities will bid for 2020, of these Budapest will have the biggest chance, for one simple reason: it is the capital of the CE country with the strongest olympic tradition. And this is a considerable factor, since many IOC members are formers athletes themselves. In fact, Hungary is the only country in the all-time olympic top-10 (ranked #7 in total of medals won since the modern olympics were founded in 1896) that never hosted the games themselves, and it has the highest per capita # of medals won, of all countries in the world.

This could be the decisive factor, since the others, like size of urban agglomeration, infrastructure, economic strength and experience with previously hosted intl. sports events are roughly equal for Bp, Pg and Ww.
I think after preparations for euro2012 and completion of National Sport Center, if it join bid, Warsaw will be the most favourite candidate for summer olympic games out of 3 CE capitals.

National Sport Center initial project with venue for 15 k, football stadium for 70 k (for euro 2012), olympic pool and some logistic resources for big sport events.
http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_060210/warszawa_a_7-1.F.jpg

kokpit

April 25th, 2007, 11:35 AM

^ Does Warsaw bid for 2016 Olympics? If not than there is very little probability to succeed in 2020 bid. But in 2024, 2028 and further it can be strong candidate for sure.

BTW 70k football stadium is nice but Olympic games are not about football. You need main olympic stadium and many other facilities, perfect infrastructure etc...

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 12:24 PM

^ Does Warsaw bid for 2016 Olympics? If not than there is very little probability to succeed in 2020 bid. But in 2024, 2028 and further it can be strong candidate for sure.

I don't see the clue. European city don't have any chance for 2016, after London 2012, and there's no direct connection between these two cases.
BTW 70k football stadium is nice but Olympic games are not about football. You need main olympic stadium and many other facilities, perfect infrastructure etc...
Sure we need it but not in 2007 or even in 2011. I can assure You, after euro2012 Warsaw will have much more developed city and sport infrastructure than now. National Sport Center is sth for the beginning to show, that we have strong motivation towards developing our sport infrastructure, that our plans are not only virtual.

kokpit

April 25th, 2007, 12:59 PM

I don't see the clue. European city don't have any chance for 2016, after London 2012, and there's no direct connection between these two cases.

Of course there is: none of Olympic cities win the bid for the first attempt so far.

Sure we need it but not in 2007 or even in 2011. I can assure You, after euro2012 Warsaw will have much more developed city and sport infrastructure than now. National Sport Center is sth for the beginning to show, that we have strong motivation towards developing our sport infrastructure, that our plans are not only virtual.

No doubt about that. But the Olympic games are not only about the city but the whole country too. And there are only 13 years left to 2020, it's not so far future.

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 02:02 PM

Of course there is: none of Olympic cities win the bid for the first attempt so far.
So maybe year 2024 will be more appropriate for European city in this case Warsaw. ;)

No doubt about that. But the Olympic games are not only about the city but the whole country too. And there are only 13 years left to 2020, it's not so far future.
In this case Polish offer as a country with more than 38 million inhabitants and infrastructure developed after euro2012 (links between 6 cities, hotels and etc.) is much stronger than those of Czech Rep. and Hungary. In fact some olympic games can be played in Lodz (750 k) which lays 130 km from Warsaw. With high speed trains it means 30 min. travel between city centers.

kokpit

April 25th, 2007, 02:50 PM

So maybe year 2024 will be more appropriate for European city in this case Warsaw. ;)

May be but we are talking about 2020 bid ;)

In this case Polish offer as a country with more than 38 million inhabitants and infrastructure developed after euro2012 (links between 6 cities, hotels and etc.) is much stronger than those of Czech Rep. and Hungary. In fact some olympic games can be played in Lodz (750 k) which lays 130 km from Warsaw. With high speed trains it means 30 min. travel between city centers.

Well, good luck to you with your infrastructure. But you don't think we are gonna sleep here, do you? ;)

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 03:31 PM

May be but we are talking about 2020 bid ;)

Well, good luck to you with your infrastructure. But you don't think we are gonna sleep here, do you? ;)

I'm talking about real chances here. No matter if it's 2020 or 2024. IMHO Hungary and Czech Rep. are too small for the summer OG... For Poland it's only a case of infrastructure and good will of the government. Warsaw is relatively small capital and one of many agglomerations of the medium size country, therefore other major Polish cities can block Warsaw candidacy. Nevertheless Warsaw candidacy seems to be much more realistic than those of Budapest or Prague.

kokpit

April 25th, 2007, 04:50 PM

^ in global scale are Poland, Hungary and Czechia all small countries. Poland is the least developed of these so I wouldn't be so optimistic as for Warsaw Olympic bid. Last but not least, Warsaw is much less attractive than both Budapest and Prague.

Herzarsen

April 25th, 2007, 05:10 PM

I agree Kokpit. My response below expands further on your response! :)

Herzarsen

April 25th, 2007, 05:13 PM

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 06:02 PM

Dear Polish brothers,

I like your nationalistic pride in your country and I wish you good luck to your bid for the olympics. But I dont see any arguments that would give Warsaw advantage over Prague or Budapest.

The main argument you give is that Warsaw has 38 million inhabitants which is more then we have. But Greece where olympics were held in 2004 has 10 million as does Czech Republic and Hungary! Even when you compare city's population, Athens has 750 thousand in its municipality which is far smaller then all of our cities. This shows that population does not matter after all!
It really matters!! Athens are exception, it wouldn't has hosted summer OG if It hadn't been first organizer of the modern OG. And still Athens are MUCH bigger than Prague, Budapest and Warsaw. Its municipality is only a small part of metro area which has 4500 k people or more.
Lets look at other important factors... I would say, although I couldnt find the numbers, that for example hotel wise Prague has bigger hotel capacity then Warsaw, especially when it comes to quality hotel rooms. Plus dont forget that both Prague and Budapest are charming historic cities. Warsaw tries to become a modern metropolis with its skyscrapers, since it was unfortunatelly completely destroyed during second world war, but still has a long way to go. (I am quite sad myself actually about what happend during WW2 but that is the truth) Furthermore, Prague will by 2020 have a fourth line of metro and two ring roads (one inner one outer) while you are expanding your first metro line currently. Does Warsaw have a ring road network in place? It will take a long time before your country's infrastructure will meet the need of a country that can host olympic games. Our three major highways are fully connected to our neigbhors too (two of them to Germany). And how many highways do you have where a visitor from Germany could directly go to Warsaw by car without getting off of highway? Please feel free to enlighten me as I may not have all the information at hand. And yes I know, 12 years is a long time and you can catch up on all fronts... But remember one thing too, even though you may have plans to build so many lines of metro or so many km of highways, unless it begins to get built I dont count it since there have been oh so many plans even in Prague and Czech Republic itself and because of all kinds of reasons (money, environmental protests, others) they have been posponed for even 20 years or even cancelled altogether.

I think it would be interesting to compare all of our cities (Warsaw, Prague, Budapest) on all the characteristics mentioned (hotel capacity, infrasctructure of city vs country). So feel free to post your data!
You seem to forget some major fact. Poland MUST dramatically improve its infrastructure for euro2012. This infrastructure already before 2012 will be ready and will be waiting for the OG. I also must remind You that existing infrastructure isn't the most important issue. Before 2004 OG Athens (much bigger than Warsaw) had one devastated metro line on the surface. Besides Acropolis and itd surroundings city looked like hell - gigantic traffic jams everywhere, and thousands of concrete architecturally poor buildings. Warsaw appears much better now than Athens in 2002 for example. To win bid for the OG city must have sth more than infrastructure. It must have tradition like Athens or already big economy with perspectives for a significant growth like Warsaw/Poland to make profits for the sponsors and etc.
If existing infrastructure had been major factor in this type of bids, Poland&Ukraine wouldn't have won organization of the euro 2012.
And finally, good luck to all the cities. May the best and most prepared one win without any corruption or bribery. :cheers: As hard we try it will be tough to come close to Beijing and London which will put together without a doubt an uforgetable show. But who knows, we may get there too! :)
Yeah, good luck, but I doubt in chances of all three countries. I bet for Moscow in 2020 or 2024.

BTW In Warsaw there is no problem with hotels already, and most of the motorway from German border to Warsaw is already in use. The rest will be ready in about 2 years.

Petr

April 25th, 2007, 06:11 PM

Qtya

April 26th, 2007, 08:47 AM

As a Hungarian after the disgraceful EURO 2012 voting, I don't really dare to write anything about the chances of Budapest (and I don't even have time now), but still I have to reflect to the statment of Petr. At an event that has a scale that great as the Summer Olympics we no longer speak about countries anymore. So Polands 4 times more potential consumers doesn't mean anything. 10, 20, 38 million inhabitants don't really count anymore. The Olympic Games are for the World itself. Major companies give their support to the winning bid, not because its 38 million inhabitants. Wake up! Stop dreaming! We have to think about regions. Otherwise noone would have any chance against Moscow...

Miguel_PL

April 26th, 2007, 09:10 PM

Kolego Petr ! Proszę trochę stonować swój lekko nacjonalistyczny ton wypowiedzi... tak dla dobra ogółu ;)

Qtya

April 26th, 2007, 10:36 PM

^^ Lengyel barátainknak egy kicsit elszállt az agyuk, azt követően, hogy megnyerték annak a nyamvadt labdarúgó tornának a rendezésének lehetőségét... :lol: Mondjuk meg lehet érteni Őket, de azért mégis...

VelesHomais

April 27th, 2007, 12:26 AM

^^ relax, he wasn't saying anything against Hungarians, on the contrary actually...

Anyway, good luck to Czechia! :okay:

Petr

April 27th, 2007, 09:03 AM

Kolego Petr ! Proszę trochę stonować swój lekko nacjonalistyczny ton wypowiedzi... tak dla dobra ogółu ;)
ROTFL Mówienie o faktach to nacjonalizm? Rozumiem, że w ramach poprawności politycznej nie można już prowadzić dyskusji opartej na rzeczowych argumentach. ;)

.oreo.

April 27th, 2007, 11:49 AM

^^
English please..at least our Hungarian colleagues..:)

kokpit

April 27th, 2007, 01:49 PM

I quite understand Polish, at least the point :)

Petr

April 27th, 2007, 04:02 PM

I quite understand Polish, at least the point :)
I was accused of nationalistic rhetorics and I denied. :) Back to the topic.

kokpit

April 27th, 2007, 05:30 PM

No need to translate, I've said I understand most of your dialogue :)

Anyway, I think we should leave this thread sleep for a while...

NEWWORLD

April 27th, 2007, 05:38 PM

what's the latest news on this?

kokpit

April 27th, 2007, 05:42 PM

Latest news? City authority decided to bid for 2016 Olympics.

Miguel_PL

April 27th, 2007, 06:21 PM

I was accused of nationalistic rhetorics and I denied. :) Back to the topic.

Przecież zaznaczyłem, że Twój ton był tylko 'lekko' nacjonalistyczny ;) Po prostu chodziło mi o to, żebyś tak nie wątpił w potencjał ludnościowy naszych południowych sąsiadów :)

For others...

Sorry I'm not using English but it's all because of that I wanted to complain with my friend about one thing... (from what I've just read you mostly understood that ;) )

Qtya

April 27th, 2007, 09:36 PM

^^ relax, he wasn't saying anything against Hungarians, on the contrary actually...

Anyway, good luck to Czechia! :okay:

I wasn't considering the fact that Miguel_PL could have written anything about Hungarians! :lol:

.oreo.

April 27th, 2007, 11:48 PM

południowych sąsiadów

Can you translate this? :) You Polish have the funniest language in the world..do not get me wrong but somehow word in Polish means the most unexpectable word in Slovak or Czech..that´s why I love it! :banana:

For example:
szukanie - looking for (polish)
šukanie - fucking (slovak, czech)
prasa - press (polish)
prasa - pig (slovak):lol:

Qtya

April 28th, 2007, 01:46 AM

Can you translate this? :) You Polish have the funniest language in the world..do not get me wrong but somehow word in Polish means the most unexpectable word in Slovak or Czech..that´s why I love it! :banana:

For example:
szukanie - looking for (polish)
šukanie - fucking (slovak, czech)
prasa - press (polish)
prasa - pig (slovak):lol:

^^ :lol:
But, what is the reason of this?

Bikes

April 28th, 2007, 07:37 AM

Well, Czech and Slovak are naughty nations! :rofl:

bnk

April 28th, 2007, 07:46 AM

.oreo.

April 28th, 2007, 09:45 AM

^^ :lol:
But, what is the reason of this?

No reason, it just crossed my mind..:)

.oreo.

April 28th, 2007, 09:49 AM

Well, Czech and Slovak are naughty nations! :rofl:

Yeah, and Poles are rather distant..:lol:

kokpit

April 28th, 2007, 09:52 AM

This thread says 2020 Olympics.

I thought Prague was a candidate for 2016?

Have you already conceded to Chicago 2016?

If so you may have to go against Rio in 2020.

Prague’s best bet would be to go all out for 2024.

Quote below

"Nevertheless, a number of European cities are said to be considering serious bids for the 2016 Olympiad, places like Prague in the Czech Republic...."

Prague will bid for 2016 Olympics, but there is no chance to win it. More serious bid will be that in 2020 or 2024... None of Olympic cities had won Olympic bid for the first time so this is the main idea why Prague is going to bid for Olympics in 2016. They want to gain experience to be better prepared for next bids.

kokpit

April 28th, 2007, 10:00 AM

No reason, it just crossed my mind..:)

I think Qtya asked what is the reason of such different meanings of the similar words ;)

IMO Poles use much more international words in their language, like opinie = opinions (názory in Czech), prasa=press (tisk in Czech) and so on...
well and szukanie x šukání, it's probably semantic shift; for example šukání meant groaning, not fucking only few decades ago...

.oreo.

April 28th, 2007, 11:06 AM

^^
Oh..that reason..
It´s hard to say, but maybe it has some connections with Baptism of Poland - came some words from latin and maybe that Poland had big amount of emmingrants to the English speaking countries in 19-20century - so maybe they had some influences..but I not sure about that..just my guess:)

Qtya

April 28th, 2007, 01:43 PM

I think Qtya asked what is the reason of such different meanings of the similar words ;)

IMO Poles use much more international words in their language, like opinie = opinions (názory in Czech), prasa=press (tisk in Czech) and so on...
well and szukanie x šukání, it's probably semantic shift; for example šukání meant groaning, not fucking only few decades ago...

Thanks kokpit! :okay:

And probably because all our languages (spelling, grammer) had been changing and modernizing rapidly, especially in the last few decades. Last, but not least apart from the fact your languages are from the same family they are improoving separately.

Qtya

April 28th, 2007, 01:54 PM

April 28, 2007 13:56 IST

Undeterred by their failure to win the 2014 Asian Games bid, the Indian Olympic Association announced on Saturday that New Delhi will bid for the rights to host the 2020 Olympic Games.

IOA President Suresh Kalmadi said India withdrew its proposal to bid for the 2016 Olympic Games following its failed 2014 Asian Games bid last week but would be in race for the 2020 edition.

"New Delhi will bid for the 2020 Olympic Games," he said during the inauguration of the Olympic Bhawan.

As the bid will open in 2011, Kalmadi said the IOA would begin its preparation for the bid immediately after the 2010 Commonwealth Games were over.

"We will start our preparations as soon as the 2010 Commonwealth Games are over," he said and added that there was no knowledge about who could be their probable competitors.

Kalmadi also said that India had little chance to get the bid for staging the 2016 as Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro was a favourite to win it. "Brazil are the favorites to win the 2016 Olympics," he said.

International Herald Tribune
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/28/sports/AS-SPT-OLY-India-2020-Bid.php

Petr

April 28th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Yeah, and Poles are rather distant..:lol:
Term "distant" describers us as a nation perfectly. :colgate:
Sorry for continuing off topic. :P

nastyathenian

April 28th, 2007, 10:23 PM

Dear Polish brothers,

The main argument you give is that Warsaw has 38 million inhabitants which is more then we have. But Greece where olympics were held in 2004 has 10 million as does Czech Republic and Hungary! Even when you compare city's population, Athens has 750 thousand in its municipality which is far smaller then all of our cities. This shows that population does not matter after all!

Size may not matter, but money DOES matter. The answer to the question about the city that is going to host the Olympics is very simple: that will be the city that can afford it. The cost of the Athens Olympics was estimated at 9 billion Euros. This huge amount does NOT include the subway, the urban freeways, the international airport and all other infrastructure projects that would be constructed anyway, independently of the Games.
http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/content/en/Article.aspx?office=3&folder=200&article=14269
And what is left of all this? The most important benefit was the great promotion that was made for Greek tourism. No advertising campaign can be as beneficial as hosting an international event of such a dimension. Apart from that, we are stuck with lots of useless stadiums, many of them for sports no-one in Greece can play, officials still arguing about what to do with them.

Petr

April 28th, 2007, 10:43 PM

^^
Al three cities/countries (I mean Budapest, Prague and Warsaw) can spent that amount of money, it won't be a problem If only political decisions are made, and bid is won. Poland, Czech Rep. and Hungary aren't poor banana republics. ;) Still remain two questions: would it be profitable for cities after all, and would be enough attractive from the marketing point of view for the Olympic Committee. In both cases I have some doubts. Athens are symbol of OG, and that fact was commercially exploited. All three cities don't have such an advantage.

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 08:52 AM

^ I think the biggest advantage is it will be the first Olympics taking place in former Eastern block. There were never Olympics here so far. And I think Central and Eastern Europe is not insignificant globally.
Moscow/Kiev are out of the game because of the Olympics in 1980. So it's all amongst these three cities: Budapest, Prague, Warsaw. I think chances are quite equal, at least from today's point of view.

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 12:57 PM

Of course there is: none of Olympic cities win the bid for the first attempt so far.

Actually kokpit You are not right this time:

1896 - Athens (city's first and only bid)
:lol: (Budapest almost replaced Athens.)
1900 - Paris (city's first and only bid)
1904 - St. Louis (city's first bid, wins from 2 [originally Chicago was selected but later switched] )
1908 - London (city's first bid, wins from 4 - Rome, Milan, Berlin, London - [originally Rome was selected but later switched because of financial reasons due to the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius] )
1912 - Stockholm (city's first and only bid)
1920 - Budapest wins but Games taken away due to participation of Hungary on the German side in World War I
1920 - Antwerp (city's first bid, wins from 8 Antwerp, Belgium
Amsterdam, Lyon, Budapest, Cleveland, Havana, Lyon, Philadelphia)
1952 - Helsinki (city's first bid, wins from 10 - Helsinki, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Amsterdam, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Athens, Lausanne, Stockholm )
1956 - Melbourne (city's first bid, wins from 10 - Buenos Aires, Mexico City, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Montreal)
1972 - Munich (city's first bid, wins from 4 -,Munich, Detroit, Madrid, Montreal)
1988 - Seoul (city's first bid, wins from 2 - Seoul, Nagoya)
1996 - Atlanta (city's first bid, wins from 6 - Atlanta, Athens, Toronto, Melbourne, Manchester, Belgrade)
2000 - Sydney (city's first bid, wins from 5 - Sydney, Beijing, Manchester, Berlin, Istanbul)

So You see, there are a lot of examples...

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 02:21 PM

Potential 2016 Bid Cities (in planning stages):

Argentina, (No city mentioned, but I would be pretty suprised if not Buenos Aires is selected) -> No chance (IMO) :ohno:
Baku, Azerbaijan -> No chance :ohno: But after a joint polish-ukranian bid winning the Euro 2012, I wouldn't be surprised on anything now...
Chicago, USA -> Probable winner! :yes:
Chile -> Again no city mentioned, but Santiago de Chile is the only option, still, no chance... :ohno:
Dubai, United Arab Emirates -> Great city, but still not enough economical potential, maybe in 2020... :ohno:
Hamburg or Berlin, Germany -> I would choose Berlin, but Hamburg would have better chance if the 2012 Games were anywhere else,except London, so next time guys... :ohno:
Tokyo, Japan -> Decision in 2009, a year after Bejing... I don't think so, probably in 2020... :ohno:
Kenya -> Noop... Africa is still not ready! :ohno: Lybia in 2024 or more rather 2028... They got my vote! The third eldest, Al-Saadi Gaddafi will defenetly play as the skipper of the lybian nationan football team. He'll be 51-55 then! :lol:
Madrid, Spain -> Sorry Guys, come back next time... As the FIFA, I think the IOC sticks to the rotational system.. European coutries what are You thinking?!?! :ohno:
Monterrey, Mexico -> Ex-Coca-Cola leader as the President in Mexico (Mr. Vicente Fox 'Coke' Quesada), strongly related to the US... Withdrawal in the favour of Chicago... :ohno:
Montreal, Canada -> Vancouver to host 2010 Winter Games, what else do you want?!?! BEAT IT!!! :ohno:
Netherlands, Amsterdam...+ maybe The Hague and Rotterdam... The Dutch Triangle would be an awesome host, but still no chance, after London... :ohno:
Portugal. Nothing else but Lisbon... Great city, but an unfortunat loser... :ohno:
Prague, Czech Republic Ohh, Yess, the The Golden City! Been there, loved it, but I'm a Hungarian... No chance in 2016... :ohno: Strong second in 2020 or 2024 after Budapest! :lol:
Qatar, You mean Doha, if I'm right... For giving the World Al-Jazeera ill defenetly give Doha the games in 2024... (Only if Budapest would host the 2020 Games.)
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil -> Strong bid! Probable winner! :yes:
Rome, Italy Previously withdrawn bid was reinstated October 2006 No chance!
St. Petersburg, Russia -> I think in 2020 St. Petersburg will be the strongest opponent for the CE capitals. :ohno:
Tel Aviv, Israel -> I don't want to be blown appart. Neither does the IOC... :ohno:
Thailand -> I hope Bangkok will host the Games some they in the future. Too many events were in Japan already... It's starting to get borring...

So I think Rio or Chicago will host 2016 than the Games will go back to Asia in 2020 maybe to the Gulf or India, so Budapest will host the 2024 Games!

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 03:33 PM

Actually kokpit You are not right this time:

1896 - Athens (city's first and only bid)
:lol: (Budapest almost replaced Athens.)
1900 - Paris (city's first and only bid)
1904 - St. Louis (city's first bid, wins from 2 [originally Chicago was selected but later switched] )
1908 - London (city's first bid, wins from 4 - Rome, Milan, Berlin, London - [originally Rome was selected but later switched because of financial reasons due to the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius] )
1912 - Stockholm (city's first and only bid)
1920 - Budapest wins but Games taken away due to participation of Hungary on the German side in World War I
1920 - Antwerp (city's first bid, wins from 8 Antwerp, Belgium
Amsterdam, Lyon, Budapest, Cleveland, Havana, Lyon, Philadelphia)
1952 - Helsinki (city's first bid, wins from 10 - Helsinki, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Amsterdam, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Athens, Lausanne, Stockholm )
1956 - Melbourne (city's first bid, wins from 10 - Buenos Aires, Mexico City, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Montreal)
1972 - Munich (city's first bid, wins from 4 -,Munich, Detroit, Madrid, Montreal)
1988 - Seoul (city's first bid, wins from 2 - Seoul, Nagoya)
1996 - Atlanta (city's first bid, wins from 6 - Atlanta, Athens, Toronto, Melbourne, Manchester, Belgrade)
2000 - Sydney (city's first bid, wins from 5 - Sydney, Beijing, Manchester, Berlin, Istanbul)

So You see, there are a lot of examples...

Our politicians are liars then....:bash: well, that's not surprising me

Still I have few corrections
2000 - Sydney was probably for the first time in a bid, but there were already other Australian cities before so they shared their experience (there were Olympics in 1956 in Melbourne, then Australia bid for 1992 - Brisbane, 1996 - Melbourne a they succed for the third time - Sydney - they were quite favourites that time)
1996 - Atlanta bid for 1920 Olympics, moreover plenty of USA cities were in bids before so it was obvious that city from USA will win.
1988 - Seoul - the only opponent was Nagoya in Japan...
1972 - Munich - again, Germany had experience with Olympics already and is big and rich country (diffent case than our three states)
1956 - Melbourne - political decision. Buenos Aires got only one vote less.
1952 - Helsinki - bid for 1936 a 1944 Olympics, part of 1940 Olympics took place there
1920 - Antwerp. Brussels bid for 1916 Olympics, but it wasn't so hard to get Olympics back then as there were nearly no candidates...

So the point is that city in the country without recent bid experience has only little chance to succeed for the first time in a bid...

But Budapest has advantage in this, it bid in 1916, 1920, 1936, 1944 and 1960. Quite a lot of attempts.

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 03:43 PM

St. Petersburg, Russia -> I think in 2020 St. Petersburg will be the strongest opponent for the CE capitals. :ohno:

There were Olympics in Moscow already and Russia will still be developing country in 2020.

So I think Rio or Chicago will host 2016 than the Games will go back to Asia in 2020 maybe to the Gulf or India, so Budapest will host the 2024 Games!

It will be really hard for European city in 2020. And for 2024, there will be quite a lot of candidates from Europe for sure and only one can win... just massacre :lol:

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 07:33 PM

Our politicians are liars then....:bash: well, that's not surprising me

Still I have few corrections
2000 - Sydney was probably for the first time in a bid, but there were already other Australian cities before so they shared their experience (there were Olympics in 1956 in Melbourne, then Australia bid for 1992 - Brisbane, 1996 - Melbourne a they succed for the third time - Sydney - they were quite favourites that time)
1996 - Atlanta bid for 1920 Olympics, moreover plenty of USA cities were in bids before so it was obvious that city from USA will win.
1988 - Seoul - the only opponent was Nagoya in Japan...
1972 - Munich - again, Germany had experience with Olympics already and is big and rich country (diffent case than our three states)
1956 - Melbourne - political decision. Buenos Aires got only one vote less.
1952 - Helsinki - bid for 1936 a 1944 Olympics, part of 1940 Olympics took place there
1920 - Antwerp. Brussels bid for 1916 Olympics, but it wasn't so hard to get Olympics back then as there were nearly no candidates...

So the point is that city in the country without recent bid experience has only little chance to succeed for the first time in a bid...

But Budapest has advantage in this, it bid in 1916, 1920, 1936, 1944 and 1960. Quite a lot of attempts.

OK! You are right! I missed Atlanta's and Helsinki's earlier bids!
But I really dont think Atlanta won the bid for the 1996s Games because of its 1920 experiance, and You must know that in 1996 was a totally new type Olympics. Privite Sector funded Games (No or minimal governmental support) were never before held and never before even decided to bid. So you see Atlanta was a new in every aspect.

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 07:52 PM

But I really dont think Atlanta won the bid for the 1996s Games because of its 1920 experiance, and You must know that in 1996 was a totally new type Olympics. Privite Sector funded Games (No or minimal governmental support) were never before held and never before even decided to bid. So you see Atlanta was a new in every aspect.

Of course that 1920 experience was useless ;)

It was quite tight victory for Atlanta, see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bids_for_Olympic_Games_(ballots)#1996_Atlanta

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 10:04 PM

Of course that 1920 experience was useless ;)

It was quite tight victory for Atlanta, see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bids_for_Olympic_Games_(ballots)#1996_Atlanta

Yeah I know! http://www.gamesbids.com/english/archives/past.shtml

London's win was lot more tighter!

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 10:23 PM

You still have to agree, that these city's made history on their first try:

1896 - Athens
1900 - Paris
1904 - St. Louis
1908 - London
1912 - Stockholm
1920 - Antwerp
1956 - Melbourne
1972 - Munich
1988 - Seoul
2000 - Sydney

Not to mention the winter Olympic host cities...

I can go with this one:
So the point is that city in the country without recent bid experience has only little chance to succeed for the first time in a bid...

But not with this one:
But Budapest has advantage in this, it bid in 1916, 1920, 1936, 1944 and 1960. Quite a lot of attempts.
Everything was a lot different then. I dont think any advantage could be made from the bids earlier than 20, but more rather 10 years from now. Only historical fact... We could say: "Please give us the Games because we entered 5 bids before." But this would be non sence...

From the region only Belgrade has some kind of experience (1992, 1996) that could be used for their bid. We are talking about Sommer Olympics, I know both Slovakia (Poprad-Tatry) and Poland (Zakopane) entered the bid of the 2006 Winter Olympics.

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 10:59 PM

You still have to agree, that these city's made history on their first try:

1896 - Athens
1900 - Paris
1904 - St. Louis
1908 - London
1912 - Stockholm
1920 - Antwerp
1956 - Melbourne
1972 - Munich
1988 - Seoul
2000 - Sydney

Till 1920 it was not bid in today's sense. OG were still small games, it was difficult to travel to long distances and so on... for example Prague is stated in 1924 bid, but as far as I know, it was rather formal candidature, deputies of Olympic comittees were all friends and decided together for Paris.

So:
1956 Melbourne - in 1944 and 1952 it was in Europe, so the only serious candidates were Melbourne and Buenos Aires, Melbourne won 21:20. Tight... (almost all cities were bidding for the first time back then)

1972 Munich - except Detroit all cities were for the first time in a bid. Detroit failed for some reason so Munich was quite logical.

1988 Seoul - there were only two competitors - Nagoya (Japan) and Seoul. It was very easy for Seoul...

2000 Sydney - quite tight race with Beijing 45:43, as I've said, Australian cities bid for few times before and Australia had already experience with OG.

Not to mention the winter Olympic host cities...

it's much easier to get them

Everything was a lot different then. I dont think any advantage could be made from the bids earlier than 20, but more rather 10 years from now. Only historical fact... We could say: "Please give us the Games because we entered 5 bids before." But this would be non sence...

From the region only Belgrade has some kind of experience (1992, 1996) that could be used for their bid. We are talking about Sommer Olympics, I know both Slovakia (Poprad-Tatry) and Poland (Zakopane) entered the bid of the 2006 Winter Olympics.

I agree. Still I think Budapest has some advantage against us or Warsaw. Number of medalists is quite important, sport tradition... number of bids is not irrelevant too (better five attempts than zero...). Yes, it will be quite tight for all of us in 2020 or 2024... but it's still plenty of time... and it last only 2 weeks and then it's all over. Most what I'm afraid of is our postcommunist politicians will steal lot of money from our pockets till the serious bid will ever start... we are unfortunately quite corrupted country and that's our biggest disadvantage...

Qtya

April 29th, 2007, 11:04 PM

I don't live in the Czech Republic, but I must say from the CE countries, Hungary is the worst in corruption...

kokpit

April 29th, 2007, 11:11 PM

it will be probably similar in all excom. countries, but we are getting (unfortunately) from bad to worse. Certain politicians created mafia with certain police detachments and people from business... somtimes I think I live in Wild East...

Petr

April 30th, 2007, 12:25 AM

There were Olympics in Moscow already and Russia will still be developing country in 2020.
I'm giving Moscow better chances. 1980 was quite some time ago. London also hosted the OG in 1908 and 1948, not mentioning WOG in Japan in 1972 and 1998. Besides Beijing/China in 2008 will be also "developing" country, and from what I know much more underdeveloped than Moscow now. We must leave our prejudices behind. :)

kokpit

April 30th, 2007, 12:56 AM

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 01:34 AM

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 01:42 AM

I'm giving Moscow better chances. 1980 was quite some time ago. London also hosted the OG in 1908 and 1948, not mentioning WOG in Japan in 1972 and 1998. Besides Beijing/China in 2008 will be also "developing" country, and from what I know much more underdeveloped than Moscow now. We must leave our prejudices behind. :)

Beijing is definitely not underdeveloped, it's living standard is comparable with Seoul for example. Comparison of Russia and China is ridiculous. While China is economical superpower, Russia is exhausted country with some mineral resources.

I think You are both right! But kokpit you must not underestimate Russia's economical lobby power in the favour of its interests based on its mineral resources...

There is a Hungarian joke, I'll try to translate it. You know those old telecommunication machines which were base mainly on Morse-code?
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3396/morse22re8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
When you recived a message there was the word "STOP" after every sentence on a thin paper. Or you just read out the message written on the paper adding the word "STOP" after every sentence. Perhaps its just in Hungarian only, but anyway, here is the joke in a bit actuallized way.

After Budapest, Prague or Warsaw wins the bid for the 2020 Sommer Olympic Games just one point ahead of the russian candidate city. The russians send a congratulation telegram:

Congratulations! "STOP"
It was a great race! "STOP"
Oil "STOP"
Gas "STOP"

:)

Ok, I agree, its not a good one, but I think its Ok in my language, nevertheless You get the picture!

So we must hope Sochi will host the 2014 Winter Games...

kokpit

April 30th, 2007, 09:50 AM

^ :lol:
It's true, thanks to their mineral resources, they can considerabely shuffle the cards in global scale...

Petr

April 30th, 2007, 10:20 AM

Beijing is definitely not underdeveloped, it's living standard is comparable with Seoul for example. Comparison of Russia and China is ridiculous. While China is economical superpower, Russia is exhausted country with some mineral resources.
Hmmm, You really dislike Russia. ;) China People's Republic is a country where level of life is still lower than those of Poland for example. Besides few biggest metropolises (and prosperous class inside them) living standard is very low. On the other hand Moscow is a very rich and fast developing city with budget bigger than those of any other European city. Beijing is maybe isn't underdeveloped, but most of China is. The same You can say about Russia and Moscow. You can call China superpower, but only because its population. With lower population China on a current level of development wouldn't be called superpower by anyone.
GDP PPP from CIA fact book (considering current currency exchange rate differences are even bigger):
China $7,600
Russia $12,100
South Korea $24,200

Petr

April 30th, 2007, 10:34 AM

After Budapest, Prague or Warsaw wins the bid for the 2020 Sommer Olympic Games just one point ahead of the russian candidate city. The russians send a congratulation telegram:

Congratulations! "STOP"
It was a great race! "STOP"
Oil "STOP"
Gas "STOP"

:)

Ok, I agree, its not a good one, but I think its Ok in my language, nevertheless You get the picture!
In Poland we also have this joke. :)

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Hmmm, You really dislike Russia. ;) China People's Republic is a country where level of live is still lower than those of Poland for example. Besides prosperous class in few biggest metropolises, people live on a very low standard. On the other hand Moscow is a very rich and fast developing city with budget bigger than those of any other European city. Beijing is maybe isn't underdeveloped, but most of China is. The same You can say about Russia and Moscow. You can call China superpower, but only because its population. With lower population China on a current level of development wouldn't be called superpower by anyone.
GDP PPP from CIA fact book (considering current currency exchange rate differences are even bigger):
China $7,600
Russia $12,100
South Korea $24,200

^^ I agree! Both Bejing and Moscow or St. Petersburg could be a great host city. Olympics are mainly based in the city itself or the closer-wider conurbation. If the organizing commite of these cities do a good job, noone from the non Russian or Chinese spectators would notice anything of the poor GDP PPP data, the ignored human rights (More people are executed in China per year then in any other country.), and so on...

We call China a superpower not just beacause its population.

- population
- economic power
- history
- economical lobby power in the favour of its interests (I could almost hardly find a product isn't made in China)
- econonomic growth
- army
- more than a 1000 billion USD reserves... (That amount unleashed on the world market could destabilize the US economy and the World itself.)
- Huge inner market
- political weight (Just one: In Africa China is the No. superpower, then US, then Eu, then Russia...)
...
etc.

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 11:00 AM

We should open a new Central European Olympics thread... :lol:

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 11:33 AM

Poland, Czech Rep. and Hungary aren't poor banana republics. ;)

Hungary defentely is starting to turn into one... :ohno: :bash: :down: :gaah: :mad2: :cry: :wallbash: :rant: :puke: :no: :soapbox: :evil: >(

alesmarv

April 30th, 2007, 11:46 AM

Size may not matter, but money DOES matter. The answer to the question about the city that is going to host the Olympics is very simple: that will be the city that can afford it. The cost of the Athens Olympics was estimated at 9 billion Euros. This huge amount does NOT include the subway, the urban freeways, the international airport and all other infrastructure projects that would be constructed anyway, independently of the Games.
http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/content/en/Article.aspx?office=3&folder=200&article=14269
And what is left of all this? The most important benefit was the great promotion that was made for Greek tourism. No advertising campaign can be as beneficial as hosting an international event of such a dimension. Apart from that, we are stuck with lots of useless stadiums, many of them for sports no-one in Greece can play, officials still arguing about what to do with them.

Its unfortunate when politicians go overboard with hosting olympics but if the olympics are planned properly by a city and country then costs can be minimized and all infrastructure and stadiums built for them can have usefull purposes after the games. It just takes planning, patience and self control.
Dont want to sound cocky but if you want to see how to host the olympic games then look at what Vancouver has done so far, not done yet but its looking like it will turn out to be one of the best if not the best staged olympic games ever.

Petr

April 30th, 2007, 11:47 AM

We call China a superpower not just beacause its population.

- population
- economic power
- history
- economical lobby power in the favour of its interests (I could almost hardly find a product isn't made in China)
- econonomic growth
- army
- more than a 1000 billion USD reserves... (That amount unleashed on the world market could destabilize the US economy and the World itself.)
- Huge inner market
- political weight (Just one: In Africa China is the No. superpower, then US, then Eu, then Russia...)
...
etc.
Of course I simplified this issue, but the population is the most significant advantage of China. Population plus enormous economic growth attracts attention of the world at China. But China still isn't developed economy, and hardly You can call it superpower. moreover this enormous growth can cause some problems for China. You can read tons of articles about China potential for superpower, but currently there is only one superpower on the globe. If China had been medium size stagnant country it's rich history and culture wouldn't have mattered. Products "Made in China" testifies only cheap labor, just like "Made in Indonesia" or "Made in India". Inner market is tiny considering country size. Army is big, but probably not better equipped and trained than those of Iran for example.
I think we have gone too far away from the topic. ;)

Petr

April 30th, 2007, 11:57 AM

Hungary defentely is starting to turn into one... :ohno: :bash: :down: :gaah: :mad2: :cry: :wallbash: :rant: :puke: :no: :soapbox: :evil: >(
From the economical or the political point of view?

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 12:56 PM

From the economical or the political point of view?

^^ Both... Politics and economy is pretty much interpenetraited or intertwined here...

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 12:58 PM

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM

Of course I simplified this issue, but the population is the most significant advantage of China. Population plus enormous economic growth attracts attention of the world at China. But China still isn't developed economy, and hardly You can call it superpower. moreover this enormous growth can cause some problems for China. You can read tons of articles about China potential for superpower, but currently there is only one superpower on the globe. If China had been medium size stagnant country it's rich history and culture wouldn't have mattered. Inner market is tiny considering country size. Army is big, but probably not better equipped and trained than those of Iran for example.
I think we have gone too far away from the topic. ;)

Jus one last adjustment on the subject...

Soviet "Fronts" defeated the much more organized and well equiped German army in WWII... Inexhaustible manpower is a very strong factor even in a world where wars are arranged from small or large secret bunkers with satellite connecton and many red buttons thousands of miles from eachother.

Products "Made in China" testifies only cheap labor, just like "Made in Indonesia" or "Made in India". ;)

Yes, but based on the cheap labor, huge companies like Nike, and so on can flood the global market with there enormous profit making it impoorve and go forward. So China is very imporatant for the global privite sector making the country this size more and more unevadable and unomissible...

Qtya

April 30th, 2007, 01:25 PM

BTW:

2016: Chicago because in 2014 Brasil will host the Football World Championships (:banana: FOOTBALL :banana: )
2020: Rio or India or the States in the Gulf
2024: Europe, hopefuly CE
2028: Rio or Buenos Aires...

kokpit

April 30th, 2007, 10:52 PM

We should open a new Central European Olympics thread... :lol:

I agree, I would leave this Prague thread sleeping for a while... :)

kokpit

April 30th, 2007, 11:10 PM

GDP PPP from CIA fact book (considering current currency exchange rate differences are even bigger):
China $7,600
Russia $12,100
South Korea $24,200

This is why we call China superpower
List of countries by GDP (PPP) in $m
World 61,258,714
USA 12,229,276
China 8,817,394
Russia 1,576,226

and now take into acount how fast are these countries growing...

MasonicStage™

May 1st, 2007, 01:50 PM

This is why we call China superpower
List of countries by GDP (PPP) in $m
World 61,258,714
USA 12,229,276
China 8,817,394
Russia 1,576,226

and now take into acount how fast are these countries growing...

Interesting! :okay: :)

Miguel_PL

May 1st, 2007, 01:52 PM

Miguel_PL

May 1st, 2007, 01:55 PM

Sorry. It was of course the last off topic ;)

MasonicStage™

May 1st, 2007, 02:11 PM

^^ OMG...I just read that...to funny :lol:

kokpit

September 5th, 2007, 07:55 PM

official logo for 2016 Olympics :nuts:
http://imgs.idnes.cz/sport_oh/A070904_JAM_LOGO_OH_V_V.JPG

RawLee

September 5th, 2007, 08:04 PM

official logo for 2016 Olympics :nuts:
http://imgs.idnes.cz/sport_oh/A070904_JAM_LOGO_OH_V_V.JPG

Nice. It would be a good location,if we dont win(I hope we will bid and win:)),because our sportsmen wouldnt have to travel far for the 3rd most gold medals:)

kokpit

September 5th, 2007, 08:12 PM

^ :lol:

Norkey

September 5th, 2007, 11:02 PM

^^ Nice. It will be nice to see olympics in CZE, although we are not able to organize Ski World Championship..

barcos

October 14th, 2007, 10:44 AM

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slowake

October 14th, 2007, 10:51 AM

wow, i've visited Prague a few times but never noticed its so close to the atlantic. :ohno:

maartenvdbent

October 14th, 2007, 09:15 PM

Hahaha, don't mind him, he's just jealous :)

Actually I'm kind of hoping that Rio will get the bid, then Amsterdam has a bigger chance in 2028 ;) (just joking)

Jim856796

December 29th, 2007, 10:45 AM

If Prague were to ger the Olympic games, what would the area in and around Strahov Stadium be used for? And are there any other sports venues, proposed, in construction, or built just for the Olympics, anywhere in the Czech Republic?

By the way, the Olympic stadium proposal at the first post smells. Doesn't the Czech Republic have a need for a large national stadium? Their sports venues' capacities have no more than a 25,000 capacity. I don't want half a seating oval as a national stadium.

krzysiu_

December 29th, 2007, 06:35 PM

kokpit

December 29th, 2007, 08:28 PM

^^ why?

kokpit

December 29th, 2007, 08:32 PM

If Prague were to ger the Olympic games, what would the area in and around Strahov Stadium be used for? And are there any other sports venues, proposed, in construction, or built just for the Olympics, anywhere in the Czech Republic?

Strahov is still big question. And sure, there are many proposed venues for Olympics in CZ, it would be matter of the whole country.

By the way, the Olympic stadium proposal at the first post smells. Doesn't the Czech Republic have a need for a large national stadium? Their sports venues' capacities have no more than a 25,000 capacity. I don't want half a seating oval as a national stadium.

I don't like it neither but to be honest, I think this whole Olympics in Prague idea is just topic for few Czech politicians, nothing more...

krzysiu_

December 29th, 2007, 10:11 PM

^^ why?Why? Well, sometimes people think they are right, but reality is totally different...

kokpit

December 30th, 2007, 12:19 AM

So please, put me back to the reality :D

Jim856796

June 11th, 2008, 01:09 AM

Is the Strahov Stadium deteriorating? If so, shouldn't the stadium be demolished and redeveloped somehow? I think the Strahov Stadium is starting to become a white elephant because of its abnormal field dimensions and capacity.

Bobek_Azbest

June 11th, 2008, 08:08 AM

Jim856796: The stadium is listed as architectural heritage, therefore any redevelopment plans are a bit limited.

There was an urbanistic concept competition going on for the whole area of Strahov sports grounds and campus.
http://www.urm.cz/uploads/assets/soubory/img/aktuality/strahov.jpg
The deadline was in half of May, the results should be published any time now, and there should be an exhibition of the projects in August.

Personally I think the city officials favor residential use of the area. Still, both variants were in the scope of the competition - redevelopment of the area (even with possibility of violating the stadium's heritage status), probably mainly for residential purposes, or 'the Olympics' variant - main Olympic stadium, supporting facilities etc.

One of the older concepts for the stadium itself:
http://img.ihned.cz/attachment.php/14801710/iost358BCDFGIMjk6QWdefghryz0SUwm/080512_03.jpg

Bobek_Azbest

June 17th, 2008, 08:15 AM

So, the results of the competition are here. And... pretty much nothing happened. :nuts:
There were 23 designs, of which 5 have been awarded 200K CZK without specifying the order, and 1 half the money.

Gallery presenting three of the designs. (http://domaci.ihned.cz/c1-25525900) (yes, only three :nuts:)

other links (Czech only, nothing too interesting):
seznam oceněných návrhů (http://www.urm.cz/cs/clanek/94/urbanisticka-soutez-strahov) - útvar rozvoje města
článek na iHned.cz (http://domaci.ihned.cz/c1-25525270-zmizi-spartakiadni-stadion-podivejte-se-na-vize-architektu)

The jury stated that the competition didn't attract many contestants, which may have been caused by it's dual scope. Furthermore they proposed creating a master plan for the area based on the inspiring bits from the individual designs, and finally recommended (very vaguely) some areas of attention for this plan.

Well, I'm a bit disappointed with the outcome. I didn't expect much, but this doesn't solve anything at all. Now I'm looking forward to the exhibition mentioned in my previous post, as very few details of the designs are currently known.