@234 - were those shot through the window, or is there an outside balcony you can get onto?
The windows open :banana:, though I worry that 350 quids worth of camera will fall to the ground

The windows open :banana:, though I worry that 350 quids worth of camera will fall to the ground

Talking of Cameras, what do you guys think about this Lumix G?. Its being advertised every few minutes here.

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/1567142/index.html

Do you have a larger size of the first pic, please?

Here you go :)

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Is that second shot really at only 80mm? If so, I REALLY need to get down there!

Just checked, it really is at 80mm... I am surprised myself. Then again I remember that at full zoom (200mm) I could somewhat solely frame Infinity Tower. Don't you have a 300mm lens? Then the Crescent really is one prime location for your Gigapix project :)

what do you guys think about this Lumix G?

I dont "personally" know that camera, but the features sound good. Only the sensor size with 5MP/cm² would make me consider buying a "real" DSLR (my D300 has 3,3MP/cm²). An entry level Nikon D60 even has a ratio of 2,7MP/cm². The lower the better if you want to avoid noise.

Here you can compare models side-by-side: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sidebyside.asp

The comparison I just made: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=nikon_d300%2Cpanasonic_dmcg1%2Cnikon_d60&show=all

^^Many thanks:cheers:

Here you go :)

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Just checked, it really is at 80mm... I am surprised myself. Then again I remember that at full zoom (200mm) I could somewhat solely frame Infinity Tower. Don't you have a 300mm lens? Then the Crescent really is one prime location for your Gigapix project :)

100-400 zoom. And a 1.4x teleconverter if things need to get really interesting...

Is there pretty much free, unhassled, access to where you took those shots from?

^^ No problem at all, not many security people there and they dont even seem to care. Just drive down Crescent West and choose a place to climb the wall ;) Behind the wall nobody will bother you for sure (as long as no guard sees you, since climbing the wall is not allowed...).

Have fun! :cheers2:

Is there pretty much free, unhassled, access to where you took those shots from?

The Palm outer road is now pretty much open all the way - if you go to the opposite side you can get some good shots across the water to Burj Al'Arab and Madinat

Here you go :)

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Thank you very much!

Anyone got any expereince on marina heights. Is there a seperate thread. I am looking at buying into this tower.Id lke to find out about any issues with the tower and also has an owners association been established ??

Anyone got any expereince on marina heights. Is there a seperate thread. I am looking at buying into this tower.Id lke to find out about any issues with the tower and also has an owners association been established ??

Here you go:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=375233

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Great Photo was it taken from Atlantis?

Desert Diver, a question for you , has nothing to do with the marina, Iam currently looking into getting the Alpha 900 sony SLR, what do you think of this camera? My uncle has it and says its the best out there, hes had the A700 and Canon D2 I believe

^^ Well, it is a full format camera and should be good. However, I would stick to either Canon or Nikon, but thats just a personal opinion.

Here's a comparison of the A900 with equivalent models from Canon and Nikon.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=sony_dslra900%2Ccanon_eos5d%2Cnikon_d700&show=all

I would go for the D700, but thats just me :)

After going the SLR route, it was great for professional interior shots, stuff like desert driver does. But after IMRE suggested to go along the digital camera route with a good optical zoom, my SLR stays in its bag and only comes out now and then.

This is what use
http://www.casio.com/products/Cameras/High_Speed_EXILIM/EX-FH20/
26 - 520mm equivalent

I must admit, new digital SLRs do take great photo graphs.

24/June/2009

Dubai Marina

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long time ago... finally something new in Dubai Marina:)

25/June/2009

UNKNOWN TOWER (between the KPM and Skyview Towers), 44F, ?, ?m

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25/June/2009

Dubai Marina

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Recieved e.mail this morning from Betterhomes.
Does anyone think this is happening.?

Better Homes News

Prices moving… up?

It seems that the worst may well be over for Dubai property prices. While many experts predicted prices to continue falling throughout the remainder of 2009, several communities have actually increased transaction prices in May and June from a month earlier. This trend isn’t universal – certain communities have continued decreasing – but the universal free fall across Dubai which started in December 2008 has subsided. Indeed, our own State of the Market report predicted prices to continue falling for some time yet, but this is one prediction we’ll be happy to be wrong about if trend has truly changed.

So what is this assertion based on? Well, the June issue of Better Homes magazine highlighted the price increase at The Springs, where 2-bedroom villas were selling at AED 1 million in April and then 1.2 million in May. The Springs anecdote can now be seen in several other communities which have registered increases in their transacted prices, not just asking prices, month on month.

26/June/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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Emaar should clean the marina at least around the Yacht Club :)

26/June/2009

Dubai Marina

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02/July/2009

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Stunning shots! :applause:

congrats to the people who bought on a high floor here, wow it may possibly be even worth the long wait. Best views in the Marina, I want one........

02/July/2009

View from The Torch

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congrats to the people who bought on a high floor here, wow it may possibly be even worth the long wait. Best views in the Marina, I want one.......

Your right Grubbman.

It will probably be another 2 years before the Torch is fully complete and handed over but the views from high up in this tower are arguably the best in Dubai.

Imagine the night view when the Marina is all lit up. This beats the sea views of Princess, Le Reve etc. Sea views are ok in the day but non existent at night (when most people are in their homes).

Due to Dubai's real estate sector shrinking and off plan sales dead for a long while (5 years +) it makes the likelihood of the plot in front of the Torch being used for high rise development very low indeed. Even if MST goes ahead at 60 floors then all the Torch 3 beds will still have the views seen in the pic above.

Simply Stunning..........................

Metro, Beach, Bar 44, The Observatory, Buddha Bar, Barasti, Westin Beach Club, all within 500 meters.

Your right Grubbman.

It will probably be another 2 years before the Torch is fully complete and handed over but the views from high up in this tower are arguably the best in Dubai.


I think this time next year the Torch will be handed over. The progress of the Torch over the last year has been fantastic. Alot of us had doubts the Point would get done quickly but we are nearly at handover stage. There are alot of workers on the Torch site and they will make every effort to complete early next year. Only thing is Ramadan is around 20th August this year so it may slow down progress for a month or so.

the dubai marina yacht club is a joke, the membership fees per year and month and so ridiculously high, 99% of marina area apartment owners can no afford these rates, not even taking into account the current economic meltdown in the world and the emirates especially, the cheapest yacht I was able to find was around 200,000 Euros and it was a Peice of crap, a regular yacht is around 1 million dolllars US which thinking about it now, NOW one can buy,

PhGIWNiyO2k

How are you folks getting access up there?

^^ They're bribing the senior Dubai resident mod. :D

Today

very dusty weather ..

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Today

DM & JLT

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^^^^^ this is not dust, but haze from the humidity!!

the dubai marina yacht club is a joke, the membership fees per year and month and so ridiculously high, 99% of marina area apartment owners can no afford these rates, not even taking into account the current economic meltdown in the world and the emirates especially, the cheapest yacht I was able to find was around 200,000 Euros and it was a Peice of crap, a regular yacht is around 1 million dolllars US which thinking about it now, NOW one can buy,

Supply and demand ratio will adjust the rates accordingly very soon

Like most of us who live here we have seen the Marina degenerate into a murky mess, so I wrote a letter to G4 and its published today, under Citizen reporter, for those of you not able to get the G4, here it is, the point is to shock Emaar into cleaning it up..


Well, it’s now official, Dubai Marina is a toilet, raw sewage floating in the Marina yesterday, and everyday now the pollution is getting worse, every inlet is now full of litter and waste, empty bottles, shopping bags, you name it and its there, disgusting and embarrassing, when coach loads of tourists pull up to take a look at the place it is not a pleasant sight, I see them pointing it out and feel embarrassed for Dubai, and myself, that they are letting this happen, it used to be a clean place, over the many years of me coming here, it was never like this, when I chose the Marina to live, I believed that it would not be in this state, I phoned Emaar the master developer over two weeks ago, and they said they would look, but still nothing has happened, we used to have one guy in a small boat with a wheelie bin onboard, and a butterfly net, hopelessly trying to pick it up, but he seems to have disappeared, for what use he was, in this city of extremes you would have thought they would have had the best that money could buy, like a huge vacuum boat that sucked it all up, I remember in London my home town how bad the Thames was, but that was a commercial river, and you expected it, and how they cleaned that up to the point that even salmon returned to the river.

Here is a pleasure Marina with visitor’s from around the the world, taking a look at this pollution and there comments are always the same, how can you live here in this mess it’s disgusting. If Dubai is to compete with the worlds finest Marinas it need’s to get its act together and quickly start clearing this pollution out of my home, and stop embarrassing me and the other residents of this place.


ALan Godfrey

Can anyone tell me how to access a thread once it has been 'Completed' - or is it no longer accessible (e.g the Point-which appears to have disappeared) ? :nuts:

Can anyone tell me how to access a thread once it has been 'Completed' - or is it no longer accessible (e.g the Point-which appears to have disappeared) ? :nuts:

COMPLETED section:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=668

The Point:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=335563&page=105

Thanks :)

SUMMARY OF CHANGES
The point is now completed and handover commences in July
Royal Oceanic moves to TOPPED OUT – Handover commences in August
Marina Mall Hotel & Residence moves to TOPPED OUT
Marina Quays moves to TOPPED OUT
Casa Del Mar moves to TOPPED OUT
Ocean Heights moves to 75% structure complete
Silverene moves to 25% structure complete
Atlantic moves to 25% structure complete
Dolce Vita back to Under Construction
Delta 2 moves back to Under Construction
Al Dua’a Marina tower moves to ON HOLD
Eden Blue moves to Foundation
Donna Tower Marina removed as this will be a Hotel

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METHODOLOGY
I am using best case scenarios for project handover dates, as this is worst case scenario for oversupply (Dubai’s biggest problem)
I am using project information from SSC threads to update progress
Projects nearing completion reflect more accurate handover dates and projects in the early stages of construction are more estimated handover dates
Projects are listed in order of expected delivery soonest first latest last
Projects nearing handover will state handover month when announced by the developer

great job, small correction, Al Duaa Marina works restarted , Kele is the main contractor , breaking the piling caps and excavation now.

^^

Thanks Imre, I will change for next time. :)

I just saw your pictures in the National. Nice One. :applause:

http://blogs.thenational.ae/crane_country/2009/07/construction-update-the-marina-torch.html

^^

Thanks Imre, I will change for next time. :)

I just saw your pictures in the National. Nice One. :applause:

http://blogs.thenational.ae/crane_country/2009/07/construction-update-the-marina-torch.html
Congrats IMRE - You must be able to make a career of this - don't go from Dubai - you would be sorely missed

How ironic that in a blog entry about The Torch are also congratulated two projects by CAYAN. Perhaps Mr. Solt might not be the only SSC forumer they collaborates with. :lol:

While many projects around the region are stalling, a few are pushing ahead. Other good examples in the Marina
are the Silverene and Infinity towers from the Saudi-based developer Cayan.:banana::banana:

Perhaps Mr. Solt might not be the only SSC forumer they collaborates with. :lol:

:weird:Altin?????????:dunno:

Awesome pics of the Marina Imre.

Thanks :)


How ironic that in a blog entry about The Torch are also congratulated two projects by CAYAN. Perhaps Mr. Solt might not be the only SSC forumer they collaborates with. :lol:

Did you mean True Blue? :lol:

^^ C'mon the light blues.:cheer::laugh:

^^ Yeah :lol:

Anyone who can help ?-I've just got my Handover date of my studio for 2nd Aug onwards at the Royal Oceanic, but I don't understand the following charges:

1. Oqood fee of 3000 aed-I have already paid my 1% for Registration !
2. 'Affection' Plan charge of 390 aed
3. DEWA connection of 1000 aed 'deposit'
4. Provisional Chilled water charge of 4 dhs/sq.ft- this is separate from the Maintainance charge
5. 'Capital Reserve Fund' of 1dhs/sq ft -as pt of Building charges

:ohno::nuts:

Yes, you have to deposit 1,000 AED to DEWA (Dubai Electricity & Water Authority). Everyone has.

Also normally the chiller's charges are separate, can't comment on the amount charged though.

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it seems the Delta 1 and 2 ON HOLD again, I didnt see workers there in the last 1-2 weeks. Someone who lives the next towers can confirm it ?

it seems the Delta 1 and 2 ON HOLD again, I didnt see workers there in the last 1-2 weeks. Someone who lives the next towers can confirm it ?

nah nothing happening.:ohno:

i'm just wondering does anybody know the average occupancy rate in the marina, and/or whats the average percentage of apartments that will be moved into when they are finished
cheers:cheers:

i'm just wondering does anybody know the average occupancy rate in the marina, and/or whats the average percentage of apartments that will be moved into when they are finished
cheers:cheers:

iam gonna take a wild guess from what i saw in dubai during june and say the occupancy in the marina during this economic situation is going to be less than 50 %,

I think a lot will depend on the level that an individual building pitched at - high-spec, high price buildings are going to suffer more than ones at the lower, more affordable, end of the spectrum.

There are masses of people moving into the marina from cheaper parts of Dubai, Sharjah etc - so occupancy levels are keeping up at the lower end of the market.

The problem that properties at the top end are going to have is that an awful lot of expats on generous packages have been retrenched - the only recruitment going on now is at less generous allowances.

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“You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do.”


Dubai has.

^^ when i wrote that i was talking about select property

“You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do.”


Dubai has.

It did but now it has lost that reputation as almost all exciting projects it was planning for have been cancelled or delayed beyond a reasonable time frame. One of the reasons investors no longer trust Dubai as a good long term investment. Where is Dubailand for example?

It did but now it has lost that reputation as almost all exciting projects it was planning for have been cancelled or delayed beyond a reasonable time frame. One of the reasons investors no longer trust Dubai as a good long term investment. Where is Dubailand for example?

Human's forget easily, as soon as the global situaton starts looking bright Dubai will have a second bite at the cherry. Hopefully this time not on steroids.

They have built some amazing things in a very very short period of time

It did but now it has lost that reputation as almost all exciting projects it was planning for have been cancelled or delayed beyond a reasonable time frame. One of the reasons investors no longer trust Dubai as a good long term investment. Where is Dubailand for example?

good point,

Speaking from my own experience i would never again invest in dubai, never EVER again, too much hassle and a complete waste of my free time running around trying to figure out what to do with the developers, I had friends that had millions of dollars laying around in bank accounts wanting to invest since the economy is in the shit now, they were going to invest in projects in the marina and JV, I persuaded them not too, no one should have to put up with this crap of a situation dubai has caused for people

good point,

Speaking from my own experience i would never again invest in dubai, never EVER again, too much hassle and a complete waste of my free time running around trying to figure out what to do with the developers, I had friends that had millions of dollars laying around in bank accounts wanting to invest since the economy is in the shit now, they were going to invest in projects in the marina and JV, I persuaded them not too, no one should have to put up with this crap of a situation dubai has caused for people

I understand your hanger, but definetely if all of us, the investors, start to discourage others to invest in ANY project in the UAE, we will find ourselves with close to nothing here. We need to be realistic. Now a cautious investor can get a good deal if he select a property looking at the right parameters: Location, chance the property will be built if not yet close to 100%, reliability of the developer, quality of the finishing, size of the property versus number of rooms etc. Definetely all of us, during the GOOD TIMES where everywhere you were investing you were making a big profit in few days, took some risk because we were inebriated by the opportunity of making massive profits. Somebody did enough research or was simply lucky to have invested in the right project at the right time and he is not suffering now. Many of us lost, but in many case it was our mistake as not attentive investors.

SUMMARY OF CHANGES
The point is now completed and handover commences in July
Royal Oceanic moves to TOPPED OUT – Handover commences in August
Marina Mall Hotel & Residence moves to TOPPED OUT
Marina Quays moves to TOPPED OUT
Casa Del Mar moves to TOPPED OUT
Ocean Heights moves to 75% structure complete
Silverene moves to 25% structure complete
Atlantic moves to 25% structure complete
Dolce Vita back to Under Construction
Delta 2 moves back to Under Construction
Al Dua’a Marina tower moves to ON HOLD
Eden Blue moves to Foundation
Donna Tower Marina removed as this will be a Hotel

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METHODOLOGY
I am using best case scenarios for project handover dates, as this is worst case scenario for oversupply (Dubai’s biggest problem)
I am using project information from SSC threads to update progress
Projects nearing completion reflect more accurate handover dates and projects in the early stages of construction are more estimated handover dates
Projects are listed in order of expected delivery soonest first latest last
Projects nearing handover will state handover month when announced by the developer



Thanks High Times

I think Al Duaa can move back to U/C. It appears that Kele Contracting LLC have restarted building and there are trucks back at the developement. Please see Al Duaa Thread.

The problem with Dubai is the Government has allowed so many developers to do what they want. There is not enough legislation. The developers would never be allowed to get away with what they are doing in most other countries. The government are not helping by changing regulations in favour of the developers, instead of really clamping down on them.
Outsiders look at Dubai now and think it is a risk, a few years ago it was looked at as a good investment.
Almost, not all, developments have investors complaining to R.E.R.A. or threatening legal action. People have lost their trust in Dubai, and the government are doing very little to restore it.

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=AD&Date=20090709&Category=NATIONAL&ArtNo=707089846&Ref=AR&Profile=1041&MaxW=300

A spat on the sands has broken out in Dubai over a Dh75 (US$20) access charge on a section of beach that used to be free to the public. An area opposite the Rimal complex in the Jumeirah Beach Residence development in Dubai Marina has been sectioned off for the past two weeks as part of Dubai Summer Surprises, which will run until the middle of August.

Many residents in the area are unhappy that part of their free beach, which has been temporarily renamed “Beat the Heat”, has been taken away from them.

“They are charging Dh75 as an entrance fee and it does not even have anything worth that inside the beach,” said Yasmin Shouei, 24, who spent the weekend on the free beach next to Beat the Heat. “For that price there should be something great.”

Her sister, Maria Shouei, 28, added: “Jumeirah Beach Park only charges a Dh5 entrance and it looks much better and the services are better. For Dh75 you would go to Wild Wadi, not JBR.”

The section of beach, which has been cordoned off by a tall fence running around its perimeter, contains deck chairs, umbrellas, mist-fans, towels, access to toilets and showers, a large play area for children, and basic food and beverage outlets.

There are also horse and camel rides, and water sports, although these cost extra.

“It has been open for the last two weeks and I think business is keeping up,” said Jennifer Tungol, who helps operate the area.

Ms Tungol hopes the crowd, which averages between 130 and 160 people at the weekend, and 30 and 50 on weekdays, will pick up as more people hear about the venue.

“It is similar to the hotel beaches but cheaper. People are paying for access to a private beach, and while some think Dh75 is expensive, it is definitely well worth it.”

Despite the facilities, many beachgoers disapprove of the intrusion on their previously free beach, not only citing the entrance fee as a turn-off, but also claiming it is an eyesore to an otherwise clutter-free beach area.

“It looks terrible,” said Bahram Jhanbrai, 19, a resident of JBR who was sunbathing just a few feet from the contentious zone. “It has destroyed the beach and its image.”

He went on to say that JBR residents should have free access to the fenced-off area. “We shouldn’t have to pay to get in. This is our beach.”

Ms Tungol admitted the Beat the Heat beach had received mixed reviews, with the issue of payment as the biggest complaint.

“The number one complaint we have gotten is why do JBR residents have to pay for this entrance when the beach was free,” she said.

She said it followed an agreement between the municipality and JBR management, under which the municipality is renting out the land for a certain period.

Not all beachgoers have been turned off, however. Several said they were happy to pay a fee to be separated from others who frequented the beach.

“It’s the only beach in Dubai that is clean and allows you to stay clean,” said Kiana Karbassi, an Iranian.

“The fans help cool you down, and the grass means you don’t have to be covered in sand. It also means that the people you don’t want to be around won’t pay that much to come in, and you won’t be bothered.”

The problem with Dubai is the Government has allowed so many developers to do what they want. There is not enough legislation. The developers would never be allowed to get away with what they are doing in most other countries. The government are not helping by changing regulations in favour of the developers, instead of really clamping down on them.
Outsiders look at Dubai now and think it is a risk, a few years ago it was looked at as a good investment.
Almost, not all, developments have investors complaining to R.E.R.A. or threatening legal action. People have lost their trust in Dubai, and the government are doing very little to restore it.

^^^ Apart from Spain i think...which is probably in a worse situation.

10/July/2009

Dubai Marina, bridge next to the GH


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10/July/2009

Dubai Marina, bridge next to the Dorrabay

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Dubai Marina, bridge next to the GH


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Hmm, looks like quite a long stagger now from GH bar 44 to the Torch :bash:

Hmm, looks like quite a long stagger now from GH bar 44 to the Torch :bash:
Does anyone know the bridge clearance of the new bridge? In other words, what is the tallest boat that could fit under the bridge?
Was this bridge built so taller boats could use the marina or was it some other reason?
Does it include a stagger lane for Dubai Steve or tracks for the tram?

Does it include a stagger lane for Dubai Steve

Thanks for your concern :okay:

Speaking from my own experience i would never again invest in dubai, never EVER again, too much hassle and a complete waste of my free time running around trying to figure out what to do with the developers...

You didn't invest, you speculated ... and there's a huge difference between the two. Or to put it in a different way: You're part of the problem not just a victim of it.

You didn't invest, you speculated ... and there's a huge difference between the two. Or to put it in a different way: You're part of the problem not just a victim of it.

Harsh but fair!

You didn't invest, you speculated ... and there's a huge difference between the two. Or to put it in a different way: You're part of the problem not just a victim of it.

AltinD
your comment will become classic and how true it is.
but i still think govement went too greedy lost the controll there thinking was like speculaters :cheers:
Mirpuri

I wonder if Sheihk Mo's vision would have become reality without the speculation that it caused.

Harsh but fair!

AltinD
your comment will become classic and how true it is.
but i still think govement went too greedy lost the controll there thinking was like speculaters :cheers:
Mirpuri

I know that my comment was harsh, and I wasn't really confortable writting it, but some times things must be said as they are.

I am not a person to call every investor a speculator, but certain areas like JV for example, were just speculator's "heaven" with no real beneffit to the city, while at the same time taking away needed capital to complete buildings in more important areas such Marina, JLT etc.

I know that my comment was harsh, and I wasn't really confortable writting it, but some times things must be said as they are.

I am not a person to call every investor a speculator, but certain areas like JV for example, were just speculator's "heaven" with no real beneffit to the city, while at the same time taking away needed capital to complete buildings in more important areas such Marina, JLT etc.

your comment is valid for most investors including me as i have unit in JVS
as i said before goverment needed more controll over each devalopments.
but i beg to differ on JVS like of JLT is for estae agent & Dubai Marina is for business travlers JBR is for holiday makers business bay for Business where Children fit in?
where do they play if they are not Holiday makers JVS would have been ideal place for familys,
open parks cycle tracks swimming pools football fields & schools central location what better place then JVS?
my openion only i hope you agree
Mirpuri

You didn't invest, you speculated ... and there's a huge difference between the two. Or to put it in a different way: You're part of the problem not just a victim of it.

what do u mean i dident invest, i have invested over $700,000 dollars US in dubai with not even construction started in any of the two projects,

I do not have a good understanding of what you are trying to say

what do u mean i dident invest, i have invested over $700,000 dollars US in dubai with not even construction started in any of the two projects,

I do not have a good understanding of what you are trying to say

You need to understand that you did not buy a tangible asset which could be easily sold on at any time. What you did was buy a piece of paper and a promise. That is speculating and not investing.

If the promise is broken the piece of paper becomes worthless.

If the piece of paper also requires you to pay up money at certain intervals without the other party building anything then your piece of paper suddenly becomes a "liability".

People who do not know the difference between an asset and a liability should neither speculate or invest.

12/July/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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http://i30.tinypic.com/fmic85.jpg

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http://i32.tinypic.com/2qs3yvs.jpg

You need to understand that you did not buy a tangible asset which could be easily sold on at any time. What you did was buy a piece of paper and a promise. That is speculating and not investing.

If the promise is broken the piece of paper becomes worthless.

If the piece of paper also requires you to pay up money at certain intervals without the other party building anything then your piece of paper suddenly becomes a "liability".

People who do not know the difference between an asset and a liability should neither speculate or invest.

No ones paying anything untill construction reaches a certain stage these days, what you are saying is somewhat true but taking into account big companies like Nakheel are in the shit right now who could have guessed the situation would be this bad or half as bad as now, any building investment is a risk, the problem is that the dubai government seems to have no controll over anyone, Rera is as useless as horses shit, just a bunch of overpaid employees sitting down gossiping and not knowing jack shit about ANYTHING, u ask them a question and they give u the run around, the problem is not with the investment company solely, its the government as well. Any smart individual that worked hard for there money and has invested in Dubai will never ever invest in that country again. I dont think the country will be run to the ground but I do beleive it will severly damage the so called real estate boom of the previous years,

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© Shadow PP

What happened to good old fashioned honesty.

amazing pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone recommend any good letting agents for a studio in Dubai Marina (Handover Aug 09) ?
Thanks :)

i still prefer singapores skyline.

i mean with all those towers youd think that dubai would look amazing but something is just not right.

i mean with all those towers youd think that dubai would look amazing but something is just not right.

Erm, because it's not yet finished ?? :dunno:

In that last photo it looks like something is starting to happen on the Dubai Promenade Site. Looks like there's a crane.

Nice photos, when were they taken?

In that last photo it looks like something is starting to happen on the Dubai Promenade Site. Looks like there's a crane.

They are old photos. Just look at the size of 23 marina. :)

Nice photos, when were they taken?

Thank you. I don't know when they were taken, these are from agency's demo CD. As malec mentioned, they are not new (my guess is 6 to 7 month old), but I found the angles of the pictures to be pretty interesting to post them.

Why don't they landscape the interchange and the areas near the SZR???

It could be very nice if there was some green....

The pictures are nice, but there is one thing that I don't like in Dubai: normally, a city should have only one skyline, not 2, 3 or 4 like here....

Today

http://i31.tinypic.com/15oia6q.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2emjrxy.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/k4tid2.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/snyn0o.jpg

Why don't they landscape the interchange and the areas near the SZR???

It could be very nice if there was some green....



they will landscape the areas eventually - but at the moment there is still a lot of construction ongoing on the interchange.

17/July/2009

Dubai Marina

I thought its an accident but not ,just film makers :)

http://i29.tinypic.com/jsbuxu.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/qraqds.jpg

Why don't they landscape the interchange and the areas near the SZR???

It could be very nice if there was some green....


around the IC 5, sometimes we can see flowers but I dont know why they are changing always, maybe dry or just refresh :)

Along the SZR the tram works has just begun thats why the landscaping still pointless there.

Between the marina and the JBR also started the tram works , they are trying to save the landscaping (palms) in the middle of the road but its difficult , that area became a huge construction site again.

Between JBR and Marina, that mess is really because of the tram? The landscaping was nice and nearly completed, now that part of the marina becomes an eyesore again. Who the f.... needs that tram?

yes, must be the tram because the workers from the BESIX.

Just look the Sofouh Road also , it was a nice landscaping but now going to be a rubbish area again because of the tram.

Living in Dubai is like living on a eternal construction site....

Living in Dubai is like living on a eternal construction site....

Lol living in Dubai is like living in a Sim City simulation, although more realistic.

Need Help please....

I am looking to use an outdoorpool for a fee/daypass within the Marina area.

can anyone help ?

Today

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http://i32.tinypic.com/nnqgl4.jpg

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Carpetking,
Try the hotel apartments beside timeplace

They have a pool there

Not sure of cost

Need Help please....

I am looking to use an outdoorpool for a fee/daypass within the Marina area.

can anyone help ?


All the Hotels on Jumeira Beach offer day rates. Sheraton or Hilton are usually the cheapest. When I say cheapest I mean around 100 a day during the week.

hi guys. i'm steve king, owner of appt 1206 in the torch.

not used this web site before and wondering if anybody can help me with an update.

a friend just returned form dubai and i've only just heard the news re the marina sky towers. dubia select had told me we would all be advised as soon as any news was heard re the plot of land to the front.

silly question but is it definatly happening and does anybody know the proposed lay out.

also the torch is so far delayed does anybody know if there is a legal way to get out of the purchase.

any help / info would be much apprecaited.

hi guys. i'm steve king, owner of appt 1206 in the torch.

not used this web site before and wondering if anybody can help me with an update.

a friend just returned form dubai and i've only just heard the news re the marina sky towers. dubia select had told me we would all be advised as soon as any news was heard re the plot of land to the front.

silly question but is it definatly happening and does anybody know the proposed lay out.

also the torch is so far delayed does anybody know if there is a legal way to get out of the purchase.

any help / info would be much apprecaited.

Read through this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=514178&page=516

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=601617

:lol: he has a lot of reading to do - 977 posts in the marina sky tower thread and 10,301 in the torch thread :D

hi dubai steve, is there any good news on the Horizon in any of this ?

Thanks to MikeW and NeilP for the pool info :)

hi dubai steve, is there any good news on the Horizon in any of this ?

Not all bad news.

Marina Sky Towers was cancelled so will not go ahead any time soon. Your view is guaranteed for a few years yet at least. No one knows what will end up on that plot now for sure. HT thinks it might just be a yatch club. Torch will be ready sometime in 2010 when the market has recovered a little.

22/July/2009

Dubai Marina

http://i30.tinypic.com/2dtc8bt.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/ng6kj4.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/34ozmdz.jpg

Does anyone know any e-mail addresses of any good Property Lawyers in Dubai, and anything about 'Municipality Certificates' ?

Not all bad news.

Marina Sky Towers was cancelled so will not go ahead any time soon. Your view is guaranteed for a few years yet at least. No one knows what will end up on that plot now for sure. HT thinks it might just be a yatch club. Torch will be ready sometime in 2010 when the market has recovered a little.

I agree, Dubai wont have any new off plan project at least for 4-5 years, maybe more.

Yacht Club is good idea but the Westmarina Yacht Club already ON HOLD , Emaar has no money to do anything now. Even they can not spend money for landscaping , just look the area front of the Jewels, next to the Time Place etc..still desert

I agree, Dubai wont have any new off plan project at least for 4-5 years, maybe more.

Yacht Club is good idea but the Westmarina Yacht Club already ON HOLD , Emaar has no money to do anything now. Even they can not spend money for landscaping , just look the area front of the Jewels, next to the Time Place etc..still desert

Yes but Abu Dhabi might have some in Dubai, especially Dubai Marina :)

Yes but Abu Dhabi might have some in Dubai, especially Dubai Marina :)

And Das Holdings is an Abu Dhabi company which is not so good. :(

Yes but Abu Dhabi might have some in Dubai, especially Dubai Marina :)

Abu Dhabi also dead , even more difficult to sell anything there than in Dubai.

Correction, all UAE off plan dead at least for 4-5 years:)

And Das Holdings is an Abu Dhabi company which is not so good. :(

why?

this is the DAS Holding in Dubai:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=498936

ON HOLD and that is just G+7 :)

Abu Dhabi also dead , even more difficult to sell anything there than in Dubai.

Yes, even if DAS were to build MST there are no buyers in the offplan market now,and wont be for at least 3 years.

If completed units in the Marina are selling for 800 psf - 1,200 psf any offplan launches would neet to reflect this and be significantly lower (as they should have been before the bubble burst).

Selling offplan with a 3-4 year delivery date can no longer be done at prices higher than that of completed units. It's not viable, sencible, or practicle.

That is the lesson that will be learnt from this mess.

If DAS want to built MST then they must self finance the build and sell completed units at the going rate when the project is 6 months or so from completion.

Can they afford to do that ?

Are they brave enough to do that ?

If the Marina masterplan is to be finished by 2015, have they got time to do that ?

Emaar has no money to do anything now. Even they can not spend money for landscaping , just look the area front of the Jewels, next to the Time Place etc..still desert.

Even the little man in his little boat, with his wheelie bin and butterfly net, trying to hold back the tide of crap in the Marina, has dissappeared, probably last round of cuts by Emaar, that sunk him..................

ALan

^^ The Dubai government should take over and clean up the marina and landscape it so that they can maximize what little they now have and improve the tourist industry for the next few years while everything is on hold. Some of the $20 billion bailout should be used for that! But I think they are just too lazy to bother, instead they are just trying to sell camel milk chocolates.

Back to the old days :D

From TIME, Monday, Feb. 07, 1972

Sharjah (pop. 38,000) is so poor that its chief source of income (about $257,000 a year) used to be selling fresh water to the British garrison.

Ajman (pop. 4,000), with no oil and only a primitive fishing industry, survives primarily by selling stamps to philatelists of the world, who are charmed by Arab postage bearing the images of the Kennedy brothers, Joe DiMaggio and Babe Ruth

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=544914

why?

this is the DAS Holding in Dubai:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=498936

ON HOLD and that is just G+7 :)

Thinking along the lines of the Marina Sky Towers and not good for the Tallest Block after Mackies post "esp Dubai Marina"

http://www.dasholding.ae/home.html still showing MST.

^^

Exactly.

DAS cant even afford to update their website let alone develop 2 x 60 fl towers in the Marina. :lol:

If you dig a little deeper on DAS they are just a holding company and are into lots and lots of stuff, property development being a small pice of their pie.

The real estate arm is a sub company named East & West Properties, this company has a few projects all over Dubai, all of which are on hold at the moment.

Just because Abu Dhabi is synonamous with surpluss cash it does not mean that East & West Properties are too. From what i have managed to find out directly from investors within East & West, it is run as a kind of private equity firm and does consist of quite a few wealthy individual investors all of whom have put their own funds into the melting pot. Some of these investors are Emirati, some Russian, and also European. The fact is that most of these investors have been effected by the current global crisis and may be less cash rich than they were 12 months ago due to falling asset prices in all sectors.

If East & West had good cash flow they would be building NOW and taking advantage of lower construction and material costs that are in the market.

They are not which is a clear indication of their financial strength. Now is the time to build if you can afford to do it basicaly. Add into the mix that apparantly the land was gifted to them by Sheikh Mohammed and this would be even more reason that the project should be progressing now.

Ironicaly it is the developers that did the best sales job that are progressing with construction at the best pace in the downturn.

Sold out development + Escrow account = Project completion.

Imagine trying to sell 120 floors of units at 2,000+ psf now with a delivery date of 2013 when you can buy completed units today at half that price.

Are East & West allowed to sell the gifted land on to someone? I wonder if they will just sit on the land asset for 5 years then sell it? Not good for the marina as it will remain an ugly sandpit not even landscaped with some grass and a few trees.

Personaly i dont buy the "gift of land" theory.

IF the land was gifted, then i dont think it would be deemd as "ethicaly responsible behavior" to go and sell it. I mean if the Ruler of Dubai gives you a gift it's quite an insult to stick it on E-bay a few months later and make a profit on the sale.

I'm not sure how that would go down in an Islamic based culture. :ohno:

If DAS (East & West) are unable to complete a project then i guess it would be more politicaly correct to return the gift to it's donor with gratitude and admit that it is not viable to proceed.

I actualy liked the proposal for the 2 x 60 fl MST as it would have provided some great facilities for the area and the business hub particularly would have increase rental posibilities for the tallest block.

Marina Sky Towers offers a mix of apartments, penthouses, and commercial spaces within the first tower.
While the second is a business-dedicated hub.

The project presents an extravaganza of facilities including:
infinity swimming pools,
day care centers,
trendy gymnasiums,
business centers for meetings and conferences,
24-hour security,
guest parking,
spa, sauna, jacuzzi, and all other up-to-the-minute luxury services. In actual fact, the influx of residents and high-tech companies moving into Marina Sky Towers naturally necessitates play and rest areas, stimulating entertainment, fine restaurants and vibrant pedestrian zones.

http://www.ameinfo.com/170320.html

If the land was gifted then it sounds to me that MST will still go ahead at 2 x 60 floors but starting in around 2 or 3 years time. I doubt E&W investors would allow them to return the land back and as you say would be wrong to sell it for profit. Most likely the land will then stay as a sandpit for 2 to 3 years followed by being a construction site for 3 years with completion in 2015 and partially blocking most of Torch and MArina Heights views.

Bang goes the rotating tower theory :D

The rotating tower was more of a hope than a theory. Although the rotisarie idea is in keeping with my original request for a kebab shop :)

When all said and done as long as what ends up here adds to the area in terms of facilities, rental demand, and prestige then I will be happy enough. Compare the 2 x 60 fl to what was released originaly and i think we should all breath a sigh of relief.

I think we will know for sure before the Torch completes. :nuts:

East & West are at Cityscape this year I think so i will be going along to see what arises.

Never knew there was this hotel here. When did that open?


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opened in 2008

it was the PIER 24 before

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=339469&page=5

Thanks Imre.

The rotating tower was more of a hope than a theory. Although the rotisarie idea is in keeping with my original request for a kebab shop :)

When all said and done as long as what ends up here adds to the area in terms of facilities, rental demand, and prestige then I will be happy enough. Compare the 2 x 60 fl to what was released originaly and i think we should all breath a sigh of relief.

I think we will know for sure before the Torch completes. :nuts:

East & West are at Cityscape this year I think so i will be going along to see what arises.

But for this project to go ahead it will need to financed by a really wealthy investor. I can't see them selling off plan units in Dubai for a long time to come. It will be interesting to see what E&W have to say at Cityscape.

I think off-plan will be all the rage again in 3 years time. Dubai will boom in 2011, everything will get sold out and people looking for investment again. Same old cycles... :D

Thanks for the updates. Regards.

Thank you. I don't know when they were taken, these are from agency's demo CD. As malec mentioned, they are not new (my guess is 6 to 7 month old), but I found the angles of the pictures to be pretty interesting to post them.

Your photos goes to show you the extensive and impressive infrastructure. Dubai spends millions and millions on the roads, not like the country where I come from.
The roads in Dubai are being extended every day, they are safe, modern and a dream to drive on.
I have just been away for a month, and so many new roads and lanes have been constructed in Dubai in that month.

The new bridge near Dorra Bay:
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5936/cimg3884r.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/cimg3884r.jpg/)


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9528/cimg3887.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/cimg3887.jpg/)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1298/cimg3889.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/i/cimg3889.jpg/)

Very humid day, and my camera lense becomes misty every time I go outdoors! So please excuse the bad quality. :bash:
But like everything else in Dubai, the bridge looks beautiful. They have painted it white instead of leaving it in ugly concrete-grey colour, like they would do in Europe.
The blue light at night looks awesome, goes really well with the blue lights on Dorra Bay in the evenings.

Could a moderator please change the status of Al Duaa Marina Tower - I think it has now changed to Under Construction (Finally). Please link into Pleth's recent photo's on the developement thread for confirmation.

Many thanks in advance.

Why don't they landscape the interchange and the areas near the SZR???

It could be very nice if there was some green....

The pictures are nice, but there is one thing that I don't like in Dubai: normally, a city should have only one skyline, not 2, 3 or 4 like here....


but why should it only be only one?

i mean with all those towers youd think that dubai would look amazing but something is just not right.

i dont know if you're aware, but all of this was built in past 8 years.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1298/cimg3889.jpg

^^The Marina Princess is back:banana:Thanks Pleth.

Love the Blue Bridge, matches well with Blue neons of Dorrabay.

True Blue end of the marina:D

^^The Marina Princess is back:banana:Thanks Pleth.

Love the Blue Bridge, matches well with Blue neons of Dorrabay.

True Blue end of the marina:D
Yes, I have been traveling for a month!!! Wonderful to be back in Paradise again. :lol:
When are you visiting again?

With my Blue Box avator so awesome ...:lol:

:banana:

One of Dubai’s most successful developments to-date, and a destination in its own right, Dubai Marina – once fully completed – will be the largest in the world at some 50 million square feet.

Sun, sea and luxury living – marina life is the envy of land-locked people the world over. Now, the creation of Dubai Marina offers visitors the chance to sample life waterside amid Dubai’s world-class hospitality offering. One of Dubai’s most successful developments to-date, and a destination in its own right, Dubai Marina – once fully completed – will be the largest in the world at some 50 million square feet – the size of an incredible 868 football fields – spread across ten distinct districts and home to a series of over 200 towers with stunning views of The Palm Jumeirah and Arabian Gulf.

At the heart of the development is The Walk, which has recently been completed and unveiled to the public. The Walk is a shopping promenade almost two kilometres in length and the latest area to see and in which to be seen. Here visitors are already discovering a broad spectrum of premium retail outlets from home furnishings to art galleries, fashion stores, cafés and restaurants. An emphasis has been placed on Dubai’s regional heritage, with local businesses located alongside global brands. The Walk offers a stark contrast to the malls more traditionally associated with Dubai’s retail offering, with visitors able to sit and shop al fresco to make the most of the year-round sunshine while sampling local and international cuisines.

However, for those with their heart set on a more concentrated shopping trip, the newly opened Dubai Marina Mall has 155 stores across four floors offering breathtaking views of Dubai Marina. The mall is home to some of the world’s leading fashion brands, and even has a dedicated kid’s zone – Favourite Things – and six-screen Cineplex to keep non-shoppers entertained.

At the end of 2009, the mall will be joined by The Address Dubai Marina Mall - a five-star premium hotel offering 143 rooms and a suite of private residences. The Gourmet Tower is also planned as part of the complex dedicated to a range of different cuisines from around the world, with eateries located around a central glass atrium which show off the waterfront views.

Those seeking a seaside setting can check into the Jumeirah Beach Residence, one of the most exciting developments in the Middle East. It boasts thirty-six residential towers, four hotel towers and four beach clubs marrying Mediterranean and local architectural styles.

Ian Scott, director UK and Ireland for the Government of Dubai, Department of Tourism and Commerce Marketing (DTCM), agrees that this is one of Dubai’s most exciting and ambitious projects: “Dubai is renowned worldwide for the diversity of its offering to visitors, from city breaks to five-star shopping and desert getaways. The emirate is perfectly situated between the desert and the Arabian Gulf, which allows for a vast array of experiences. The creation of Dubai Marina – a micro-destination – is one of the most ambitious waterfront developments in the world and a further example of how Dubai sets the global agenda with the quality and diversity of its projects.”

And if life by the water isn’t enough, what about life over it? The Marina Quays has apartments, shops and other facilities some of which extend 20 metres out to sea with stunning views of the nearby Marina Yacht Club, which is one of the largest private yacht clubs in the world, with a stunning purpose-built clubhouse and four marinas spread over a man-made 3.5 kilometre canal. By the end of the year, 600 boats up to 36 metres in length can be accommodated. The club epitomises waterfront chic, with a regular calendar of events, culinary promotions and boutiques.

Dubai Marina will have been twelve years in the making by the time it is fully completed in 2012, home to some 75,000 people and worth almost £3 billion.

Yes, I have been traveling for a month!!! Wonderful to be back in Paradise again. :lol:
When are you visiting again?

I am overdue a visit to Dubai so expect me soon. Get your dancing heels looked out.:dance:

One of Dubai’s most successful developments to-date, and a destination in its own right, Dubai Marina – once fully completed – will be the largest in the world at some 50 million square feet.

Sun, sea and luxury living – marina life is the envy of land-locked people the world over. Now, the creation of Dubai Marina offers visitors the chance to sample life waterside amid Dubai’s world-class hospitality offering. One of Dubai’s most successful developments to-date, and a destination in its own right, Dubai Marina – once fully completed – will be the largest in the world at some 50 million square feet – the size of an incredible 868 football fields – spread across ten distinct districts and home to a series of over 200 towers with stunning views of The Palm Jumeirah and Arabian Gulf.

At the heart of the development is The Walk, which has recently been completed and unveiled to the public. The Walk is a shopping promenade almost two kilometres in length and the latest area to see and in which to be seen. Here visitors are already discovering a broad spectrum of premium retail outlets from home furnishings to art galleries, fashion stores, cafés and restaurants. An emphasis has been placed on Dubai’s regional heritage, with local businesses located alongside global brands. The Walk offers a stark contrast to the malls more traditionally associated with Dubai’s retail offering, with visitors able to sit and shop al fresco to make the most of the year-round sunshine while sampling local and international cuisines.

However, for those with their heart set on a more concentrated shopping trip, the newly opened Dubai Marina Mall has 155 stores across four floors offering breathtaking views of Dubai Marina. The mall is home to some of the world’s leading fashion brands, and even has a dedicated kid’s zone – Favourite Things – and six-screen Cineplex to keep non-shoppers entertained.

At the end of 2009, the mall will be joined by The Address Dubai Marina Mall - a five-star premium hotel offering 143 rooms and a suite of private residences. The Gourmet Tower is also planned as part of the complex dedicated to a range of different cuisines from around the world, with eateries located around a central glass atrium which show off the waterfront views.

Those seeking a seaside setting can check into the Jumeirah Beach Residence, one of the most exciting developments in the Middle East. It boasts thirty-six residential towers, four hotel towers and four beach clubs marrying Mediterranean and local architectural styles.

Ian Scott, director UK and Ireland for the Government of Dubai, Department of Tourism and Commerce Marketing (DTCM), agrees that this is one of Dubai’s most exciting and ambitious projects: “Dubai is renowned worldwide for the diversity of its offering to visitors, from city breaks to five-star shopping and desert getaways. The emirate is perfectly situated between the desert and the Arabian Gulf, which allows for a vast array of experiences. The creation of Dubai Marina – a micro-destination – is one of the most ambitious waterfront developments in the world and a further example of how Dubai sets the global agenda with the quality and diversity of its projects.”

And if life by the water isn’t enough, what about life over it? The Marina Quays has apartments, shops and other facilities some of which extend 20 metres out to sea with stunning views of the nearby Marina Yacht Club, which is one of the largest private yacht clubs in the world, with a stunning purpose-built clubhouse and four marinas spread over a man-made 3.5 kilometre canal. By the end of the year, 600 boats up to 36 metres in length can be accommodated. The club epitomises waterfront chic, with a regular calendar of events, culinary promotions and boutiques.

Dubai Marina will have been twelve years in the making by the time it is fully completed in 2012, home to some 75,000 people and worth almost £3 billion.

So now we have no Dubailand, let's start making a big play about the marina being the destination:banana:

I also liked the use of the "chic" word:D

Dubai Marina will have been twelve years in the making by the time it is fully completed in 2012, home to some 75,000 people and worth almost £3 billion.

Thats the bit i found most interesting. Does that mean all waterfront development needs to be complete by this time?

By 2012 the marina will be substantialy complete but not fully complete.

I would expect that anything still under construction in 2013 will be carried out under very strict rules regarding noise, dust and materials deliveries/storage.

With a bit of luck Emaar may even have the final landscaping complete allowing more of the waterfront businesses to open. Then we can realy start to enjoy the destination.

^^

I agree.

I think this is when we will start to see TRUE VALUE of real estate in this area.

There are still undeveloped plots in the marina. I don't think it'll ever be complete as such. By the time the last plot gets developed some building might get torn down.

I know of an environmental consultant and a good architectural practice in AD that are working on a revised scheme (3 /4 years to build) for a very nice location within the Marina but they would not tell any of the details :bash::bash:

Low res:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hOl2e0230VA/SmxTqMKajqI/AAAAAAAAEBI/AsoBQIqMG8k/s800/IMG_3046.JPG

Level of detail:

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Full file:

http://dxbae.com/images/IMG_3046.jpg

1.9 gigapixel 800 megapixel panorama of Dubai Marina and JBR on the way :)

http://dxbae.com/images/_ptgtmp_LUBPGI.jpg

I would expect that anything still under construction in 2013 will be carried out under very strict rules regarding noise, dust and materials deliveries/storage.

Dream on! Dubai government no longer gives a sh*t about such things.

Good Stuff gerald.d ...luv that panorama thing !

Finally. A clear day. God what a difference it makes! :banana:

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Hammer time!

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(HDR version of that coming once my main computer has finished stitching yesterday's panorama. Which will take about another 24 hours at the current rate.)

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Dream on! Dubai government no longer gives a sh*t about such things.

:lol: Hhahahaa @ "no longer"..., like they ever gave a shit in the first place! You crack me up Steve!

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27/July/2009

Dubai Marina, tallest block

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Thanks for your time mate, much appreciated.

Marina Sky Towers was cancelled so will not go ahead any time soon. Your view is guaranteed for a few years yet at least. No one knows what will end up on that plot now for sure. HT thinks it might just be a yatch club. Torch will be ready sometime in 2010 when the market has recovered a little.[/QUOTE]

Word is that there has been an explosion in the car park of the Marina Walk, near Spinneys. I am told--this is, I'm afraid third hand--that two parked cars were on fire, speculation being that it was a bomb, and the area at this moment is crowded with emergency vehicles.

Sorry, I can't provide any first or even second hand accounts. I'm miles away in Ajman. Can anyone else corrobarate?

I hope that its not true and every one is safe

^^ Not a peep on twitter, so unlikely to be true.

Well, I'm quite sure that parts of story are true--car or cars on fire and a gathering of emergency vehicles--and the Spinney's parking lot location. (My source is a person who works in Le Reve.)

What is probably speculation is the exact nature, cause and extent of the matter.

Corroboration, someone please... Marina Heights, Marina Phase One Towers residents??

Word is that there has been an explosion in the car park of the Marina Walk, near Spinneys. I am told--this is, I'm afraid third hand--that two parked cars were on fire, speculation being that it was a bomb, and the area at this moment is crowded with emergency vehicles.

Sorry, I can't provide any first or even second hand accounts. I'm miles away in Ajman. Can anyone else corrobarate?

^^there is and was nothing ! i was there 10 minutes ago :lol:

^^there is and was nothing ! i was there 10 minutes ago :lol:

Thanks CK, I was actually worried about you and Kevan.

I hope you are having a good holiday. How is our beloved TP :cheers:

We have a very good holiday Mackie.Timeplace the the best place on Earth.Kevan's daughter and son is sitting in the Lobby with me.Because here is internet for free !!!

.....this is Time Place :cheers:

Sorry, dont know the name of the building but it is between Marina View Towers and Timeplace - although seems structurally complete no work has been done for a few weeks and the top is now covered in plastic.

Hope that it's not another one on hold

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that is the Marsa Tower, facade testing and I think they are waiting for the glass now.

That's good - have you walked past Dolce Vita lately? - last week it seemed to be covered in plastic again.

yes , I saw from the bridge, main contractor (Sun Eng. ) is there maybe they are waiting for some permission now.

By the looks of Imre's pics, I went a day early to do the Marina panorama :(

Just uploading it now - a bit disappointed really. Will have to re-do it on a clearer day.

And here it is -

This:

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in 800 megapixels:

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Going to have to re-take it on a better day and sort out the slight curvature, but it seemed a shame to waste it so I thought I'd load it up anyway.

Nice one. :cheers:

Makes you realise just how dull and ugly JBR is.

^^ Yup. It's like a set off Prison Break.

Anyways... just the tallest block:

200MP, taken today in better weather...

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Sorry about this but does anyone know what days and times the Land Dept/RERA are open, and whether they have any offices near Dubai Marina/Bur Dubai (I have looked at their websites but it doesn't mention these things) ?-I want to visit them when I come to Dubai to ask them about Registration/Oqood etc.
Thanks.

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Is there a thread for the K.P.M tower? :)

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Is there a thread for the K.P.M tower? :)

we have everything :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=479695&page=6

Sorry about this but does anyone know what days and times the Land Dept/RERA are open, and whether they have any offices near Dubai Marina/Bur Dubai (I have looked at their websites but it doesn't mention these things) ?-I want to visit them when I come to Dubai to ask them about Registration/Oqood etc.
Thanks.
No they only have one address.
But be careful with the opening hours, Ramadan is coming now, so I am guessing that they only are open between 10 - 12 under Ramadan.
Otherwise my guess is 9 - 15, but it is only a guess.

Thanks anyway :)

Land Department is in Deira not far from Dubai Municipality and behind DCCI Tower. You can't miss it: It has a HUGE www.Dubailand.gov.ae written on the side of the building.

we have everything :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=479695&page=6

Thx Imre :cheers:

31/July/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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31/July/2009

Tram works Dubai Marina

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That's good - have you walked past Dolce Vita lately? - last week it seemed to be covered in plastic again.

saw yesterday from the bridge, covered plastic but many workers there so I think its U/C.

04/August/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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DUBAI // Windows in high-rise apartment blocks are spontaneously breaking because of a combination of shoddy workmanship and inadequate building regulations, construction experts say.

“I came home from work and it was smashed, and I’m not quite sure how or why,” said Nina, 38, a Briton, who found a half metre-long window damaged in her one-bedroom flat on the 36th floor of a tower in New Dubai.

“On the ground there were a few splinters, but it was more the window being cracked while still in the frame.”

According to experts, Nina was probably the victim of building contractors who had improperly fitted window panes.

Large temperature fluctuations then caused the metal frames to expand and contract, straining the glass beyond its breaking point, they believe.

The problem is compounded by insufficient building regulations with regards to window installation, they say, leaving standards to be decided by contractors and developers.

“There are some incredibly bad practices – contractors who don’t know what they’re doing, putting things together in ways that are completely unacceptable,” said Tom Bell-Wright, founder and owner of Thomas Bell-Wright International Consultants, which specialises in building facades.

“As far as regulations are concerned about installing windows and glass, there aren’t any.”

Asked if such regulations were maintained by Dubai Municipality, Kamal Azayam, a mechanical engineer who works in the qualifications and building studies section, said: “As far as I know, nothing.”

Such decisions were not overseen by the Government, he said, but instead depended “on the requirements of the consultants”.

Christine Stewart is baffled as to why a glass panel in the lobby of her apartment building suddenly shattered into dozens of pieces on Saturday.

“Nothing had hit it, nothing had happened,” said Ms Stewart, 46, a Briton who works in the media.

“It just literally went, and people were sitting nearby. It could have hit them, but luckily it didn’t.

“What worries me is what caused such a thing to happen, is it going to happen again, and how safe are our apartments.”

When Barti Makhijani returned to her 28th-floor apartment in Dubai Marina recently, she found one of the five window panes in her bedroom, which run from floor to ceiling, was cracked in numerous places, but still intact.

“It looked at first glance like it was raining on just that window,” said Mrs Makhijani, 30, an Indian who lives with her two children.

“It was shattered, as if a large stone had hit and some sort of ripple effect all along that centre pane. From what I understand, it was the outside pane that was shattered.

“I’ve got children around, and what if somebody throws something at that window like a ball because I’m not always in to guard the window?”

The cost of replacing the window, about Dh12,000 (US$3,200), was borne by Mrs Makhijani’s insurance. But the men who did the repair told her “it wasn’t the first flat in the building that experienced it”.

Paul Rogers, managing director at Eminent Surveyors and Loss Adjusters, described Mrs Makhijani’s window as “frosting up”.

This happens when windows are installed without the necessary “wedges”, which act as shock absorbers. This exposes them to greater amounts of thermal pressure, making them more prone to buckling.

“It’s mostly the outside pane that shatters,” he said. “If the inside shatters, that’s serious because it means the glass was fitted the wrong way.”

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^^

Windows in some high-rise buildings are spontaneously shattering because of shoddy workmanship, Hugh Naylor reports in The National. If contractors incorrectly fit a window pane, it is susceptible to temperature fluctuations that cause the frame to contract and expand. This can put pressure on the glass. Consultants say that there are insufficient building regulations for window installations.

Photo caption: Dubai - August 2: Christine Stewart, a Dubai-based resident from the UK, stands next to a shattered glass pane in the Time Place Tower where she lives in the Dubai Marina. Randi Sokoloff / The National

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The small temporary roundabout at the end of the firs bridge, by the Grosvenor has gone, and it looks as though the new road is about to be open.

Al.

Dubai Marina's high-rise dreams deferred

Hugh Naylor
Last Updated: August 07. 2009 12:16AM UAE / August 6. 2009 8:16PM GMT

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Harvans Nagpal and his wife once dreamed of a relaxing retirement in Dubai, enjoying leisurely days beside a sun-drenched swimming pool and unbeatable views from a beautiful, brand new serviced high-rise apartment overlooking the city’s glamorous Marina.

Now the 70-year-old London accountant’s plans are on hold, dogged by uncertainty brought on by delays in the building of the apartment and the prospect of its cost rising beyond his means.

After four decades of working nine-to-five, he expected that, by now, he would be enjoying the fruits of his labour. Instead, he is going back to work as an accountant. “I’m trying to get subcontracted work, but it’s pretty difficult to do at late stages in life,” he says.

People like Mr Nagpal are statistics in the real estate bust, as projects throughout the UAE, especially in Dubai and the northern emirates, have been delayed, slowed down or become insolvent. Today, many of those investors are grappling with the fallout as projects, especially those by smaller developers, languish in crisis.

Mr Nagpal bought off-plan in late 2007, paying a 25 per cent down payment on a Dh1 million (US$272,000) one-bedroom apartment in the 19-floor Harbour Residences.

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He was told that his apartment would be ready by early 2010 but, with his first Dh250,000 already paid into the development’s escrow account, the strikingly designed tower remains little more than an artist’s impression and a hole in the ground.

According to an inspection by the Dubai Government’s property regulator, the Real Estate Regulatory Agency (Rera), in April, work is progressing to a Rera-approved “revised schedule”.

“Works have not yet started on site,” says the report on the Rera website, accompanied by photographs showing a cleared site with no aboveground progress. “However preparations are being made to start shortly.”

Harbour Residences is a development by Dheeraj & East Coast, a joint venture between Dheeraj Constructions of India and East Coast LLC of Dubai. The most recent construction update on the company’s website, posted in March, shows a bare pit.

Although the company has allowed Mr Nagpal to suspend his payments, oscillating exchange rates mean that, for him, the goodwill gesture has backfired.

When he bought into the project in 2007, £1 was worth approximately Dh7.5, meaning the Dh1m apartment would have cost him £133,000. Today, £1 is worth a little over Dh6 and, if it stays at that rate, Mr Nagpal’s apartment will cost closer to £166,000 – at least £30,000 more than he bargained for.

As a result, at a time when all he should be worrying about is furnishings, Mr Nagpal has returned to work and fears he will face a cash shortfall.

A survey by The National found at least nine idle sites where work has not progressed above ground; furthermore, the Marina is home to a number of partially built buildings on which work appears to have slowed or halted.

Mr Nagpal is luckier than many – at least his developer has kept in touch with him and other buyers. On several occasions, he says, he has been told that construction was being held up by bureaucracy and would start again shortly, but, at the same time, the company stopped demanding scheduled payments.

He would, however, like to see the developer make further concessions, including a price cut. “The cost of construction has come down,” he says.

“And, as far as we from the UK are concerned, the property has become more expensive for us because of the exchange rate. So they’re in a win-win situation, we are in a lose-lose situation.”

Raman Iyer, the head of marketing at Dheeraj & East Coast, says the delays are beyond the company’s control, the result of unexpected regulatory interventions by Emaar, the master developer of the Marina, and Rera.

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Neither Emaar nor Rera could be reached for comment.

While the company is not considering reducing prices, it is keeping “everybody in the loop”, including investors and the local authorities, and in the meantime is not asking for payments from purchasers, says Mr Iyer. It is, he adds, “just a matter of time till we start construction”.

It is a similar story for countless other investors in properties around the Marina. Close to the most northerly of the road bridges across the Marina are two massive craters, both without signs of activity other than security guards sitting in chairs at the entrances to the sites.

One plot is littered with rubbish, but no information is displayed. A hoarding on the other says it is the intended home of My Tower, a 36-storey building first advertised in 2007.

According to Rera’s monitoring report, this project is also “progressing to a Rera-approved revised schedule”.

“It’s not delayed,” insists Rasul Azim, a customer-relations employee at Almasah International Real Estate, which is marketing the project for its development arm, Marina Breeze. “They’re working on piling, but, to be honest, most of the construction won’t start until the end of this year.”

In February, Abou Taleb Talebi, the chairman of Dubai-based Almasah, said five contractors had been appointed to start work on the foundations of 10 of its developments, including My Tower.

“Our main objective is to move ahead with our projects,” he said at the time. “We have rescheduled payment plans on these projects for our clients’ benefit, helping them during these times of crisis and working alongside them for the benefit of all.” The National was unable to contact Mr Talebi for an update.

On some sites, progress has been halted, with skeletal foundations left exposed to the atmosphere. On others, work even appears to have gone backwards.

Shahla Tower, a planned 39-storey residence, occupies a prime site by the water. The new Marina Mall is a five-minute walk across the road bridge that runs alongside the plot, the beach and the seaside shops and restaurants of The Walk are even closer.

Launched in 2006, the tower was due for completion by mid-2008. Yet, for months now, the only sign of activity at the site has been the drone of generators driving water pumps 24 hours a day to keep the half-finished foundations dry. The status of the project has yet to be categorised by Rera.

The hired prefabricated two-storey building that served as the development’s site office was recently dismantled and taken away.

Luai Khader, an engineer with Khatib and Alami, an engineering consultancy, said the firm had recently parted company with the developer because of “management issues”. The project, he said, “could start next month, or next year. Nobody knows in this situation”.

A spokesman for the developer, the Khalil Abdul Wahab Group, a consortium of investors from other GCC countries, said piling and shoring had begun in August last year.

There had been a delay of five months on the project, he said, but he said construction was now under way again. No units had been sold yet, he said.

Another site echoing only to the sound of generators is that of the Eden Blue tower, a pit of protruding metal foundations that has seen little activity for six months except for the pumping of water.

Nearby, more pumps, and little else, are at work on the foundations of the Dubai Marina Star development, a project initiated by Al Seef Investments, a Dubai investment company, and since taken over by the UK Capital Investments Group (UKCIG).

When the 24-floor building was launched in the spring of 2006, an expected completion date of November 2008 was given.

A year ago, UKCIG said completion was now not expected before the first quarter of 2011, but Abdul Murad, sales administrator at the company, told The National it was now “sometime in 2011” and work was about to begin in earnest.

Construction had been held up, he said, because the company was “waiting for documents from Rera to be approved”.

The site is yet another crater with only skeletal foundations apparent. Brackish water from the pumps oozes over the Marina promenade, leaving behind a slippery green film.

This is not an uncommon sight around the Marina’s walkway, interrupted in several places by unfinished building projects and fringed by numerous isolated and empty commercial units.

It is not only frustrated purchasers, waiting for signs of life from their investments, who are suffering because of the delay as projects are dragged out long beyond their normal schedules.

“Many people complain that there is too much noise because of construction, even at night,” says Jolly Dhomas, a finance manager at Arad Real Estate and Investment Development, which rents out eight two-bedroom flats in the Westside Marina property, close to the Yacht Club.

The low-rise block is flanked on three sides by building sites. After several of his tenants asked to terminate rental agreements because of the noise, his company dropped the rent three months ago, from Dh160,000 to Dh115,000.

Like many who live or work in the Marina, Anwar Kosimov, 37, the manager of Uzbegim, an Uzbek restaurant in the base of the Marina Hotel and Apartments, is enthusiastic about the Marina’s prospects.

“I think it will be good here. No, not good – the best,” he says.

In the meantime, however, he is struggling to cope with sluggish business.

The main problem, he says, is the dusty plot of land next to his building, expected to become a car park.

“If you’re coming to a restaurant and you see it’s dirty on the outside, you’re going to look somewhere else to eat,” says Mr Kosimov, who has bridged the dirty path outside his business with wooden planks. “You will go to the clean place.”

Mr Nagpal, meanwhile, searching for work in London, is not likely to be among Mr Kosimov’s customers any time soon.

“I was planning to spend this part of my life in some good sunshine,” he says. “It’s all ruined now.”

hnaylor@thenational.ae

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Few solid answers for weary investors: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090807/NATIONAL/708069833/1010

Marina projects fall behind schedule: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090807/NATIONAL/708069835/1010

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Dubai Marina still good compare to the Jumeirah Village, Dubai Sports City , City of Arabia etc.. what a mess there:)

they forgot some more holes:

KPM Tower
The Lighthouse
Al Duaa Marina
9RR Tower
West Avenue
etc...

+ many towers ON HOLD , like:

Delta 1
Delta 2
Pier 8
etc..

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Oh come on where are the blue skies? I never saw these clouds in Dubai!
No don't like it!

foundation work is underway in KPM tower. the project is not on hold. i have an apartment there, and they have linked payments to construction.

can you please take some pictures next time you do your photo round. thanks.

Dubai Marina still good compare to the Jumeirah Village, Dubai Sports City , City of Arabia etc.. what a mess there:)

they forgot some more holes:

KPM Tower
The Lighthouse
Al Duaa Marina
9RR Tower
West Avenue
etc...

+ many towers ON HOLD , like:

Delta 1
Delta 2
Pier 8
etc..

Oh come on where are the blue skies? I never saw these clouds in Dubai!
No don't like it!

... and you will never see , that pic is too photoshopped, just look the colors of the JBR:)

foundation work is underway in KPM tower. the project is not on hold. i have an apartment there, and they have linked payments to construction.

can you please take some pictures next time you do your photo round. thanks.

I know that is U/C but still hole after couple years ( Al Duaa as well).

07/August/2009

Dubai Marina , road works

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basically the recession slump is ongoing and looks like it will continue for another 12 months min.

Nighttime panorama from The Palm -

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Imre

Do you have that photo from 2004/5 showing the Marina as just water, no buildings on it, except I think the first tower, I saw it somewhere at the beginning of a thread, but cant remember, anyway compared to it know, 5 years on its pretty amazing what they have done.

ALan

07/August/2009

Dubai Marina , road works

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Ah - the road to nowhere :lol:

Ah - the road to nowhere :lol:

Your right, pretty pointless this, you still cant chuck a right to JBR, you have to go down to the lights and do a U eee

Unless you different.

Alan

Your right, pretty pointless this, you still cant chuck a right to JBR, you have to go down to the lights and do a U eee

Unless you different.

Alan

I will still claim that Dubai roads are some of the best in the world. And they are extended every day, at a very fast speed.

...and of a decent quality. I still say the roads in 'beautiful' Berkshire are the most potholed in the UK! Send over the road gangs - they could help out over here.....

Remove the bloody speed bumps and I will agree...

Imre

Do you have that photo from 2004/5 showing the Marina as just water, no buildings on it, except I think the first tower, I saw it somewhere at the beginning of a thread, but cant remember, anyway compared to it know, 5 years on its pretty amazing what they have done.

ALan

Yes, I posted somewhere but didnt find it now,I took some photos of Dubai Marina and JLT in Feb 2004 and the next months, JLT was just desert , Marina had some towers only.

Ah - the road to nowhere :lol:

I think the plan was that this road (bridge) going to the Dubai Promenade site but no idea whats going on now.

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Where did you get the above map????

On behalf of investors in dubai sports city some developers (Memon /champion towers/ )are trying to charge investors 20 Durham's per square foot connection charge for electricity per apartment!
This amounts too thousands of pounds worth of unexpected costs !
Any thoughts on this matter and are any other investors getting this charges ?
:cheers:

Ah - the road to nowhere :lol:

I think the plan was that this road (bridge) going to the Dubai Promenade site but no idea whats going on now.

This is for the Dubai promenade and eventualy onto the causeway linking the Palm crescent. Same as they are doing on Palm Jebel Ali.

Where did you get the above map????

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On behalf of investors in dubai sports city some developers (Memon /champion towers/ )are trying to charge investors 20 Durham's per square foot connection charge for electricity per apartment!
This amounts too thousands of pounds worth of unexpected costs !
Any thoughts on this matter and are any other investors getting this charges ?
:cheers:


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10/August/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

Ocean Heights coming fast , already higher than the Princess Tower and almost reached The Torch

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14/August/2009

Dubai Marina

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14/August/2009

Dubai Marina

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14/August/2009

Dubai Tram

Dubai Marina , bridge next to the Marina View Towers

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behind the JBR

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My god, everything was ready there and nicely planted, 3 lanes we had, now it is a mess again because of this bloody useless tram!! Nobody is using the buses in the Marina so why should anybody use that tram? To go where?

^^They are expecting the Marina to be very busy with holiday makers.
(July to September in sizzling hot temperatures).

That must be the theory behind it cause without longer visas who will come.

It would not affect me what-so-ever but it is needed to fill up those newly build restaurants mall and the rest.

Otherwise Dubai will become a ghost town.

I can see the frustration with the upheaval this is causing but I'm thinking that a really good transport infrastructure is going to be key to future success of Dubai; - especially bearing in mind the apalling traffic queues. It's vital for the economy to keep everything moving and to try to get people out of their cars. I know there is a view that you will never get people out of cars and on to trams/buses in Dubai but that will probably change if the service is good enough. Singapore is a good example of how a fantastic public transport system and firm control of cars on the roads keeps the economy - and the population - moving.

I heard it was a condition of the AD bail out money that it was spent on infrastructure projects.

A few years ago, I could not see the point of all the extra bridges being built in the marina but this is now becoming a residential hub in the region and will soon need all the infrastructure and transportation it can afford.

Singapore use a system called MRT - Mass Rapid Transportation.. and it works wonderfully, its a metro system similar to the new Dubai metro, this will make all the difference to getting around the emirate in comfort - can't wait...

In general I do have nothing against a tram, but why always complete an area (more or less) and then ripp everything off again and causing a mess again? It is not only the Marina, Greens is suffering the same problem for instance. It is simply not nice to live on a dirty sandy job site with roads and lanes changing every day whereas it was supposed to be completed... Does nobody have the guts to THINK and PLAN before doing something...? Any then doing it PROPERLY? Ok, I know, not here... but I won't give up the hope that they learn one day.

In general I do have nothing against a tram, but why always complete an area (more or less) and then ripp everything off again and causing a mess again? It is not only the Marina, Greens is suffering the same problem for instance. It is simply not nice to live on a dirty sandy job site with roads and lanes changing every day whereas it was supposed to be completed... Does nobody have the guts to THINK and PLAN before doing something...? Any then doing it PROPERLY? Ok, I know, not here... but I won't give up the hope that they learn one day.

I don't agree. I think the roads are being extended wonderfully all the time, and we should be more than grateful for this, we are not paying income tax or road tax.
In Denmark the minimum income tax is 50%, and the road tax average is 3.000 AED annually, but the roads are old with only one lane in each direction!! They never make new roads as they do here.
I love driving in Dubai!

As goes for the mess, then they build the roads so fast, that you will find the mess over very soon.

I tend to agree with Pleth; - in terms of speed and minimising the length of the disruption I think Dubai is probably a bit of a shining example around the place. It's classic miss-pplanning which in the UK leads successive utility providers - gas, electricity, and water, each to arrive at the same work site in close succession just to dig up the badly patched trench only filled in and tarmac'd the day before by the last bunch of shovel-leaners. Oh yes, - and it's also the law that the first bunch only rock up to dig their hole on the day after the road has been freshly resurfaced!!

We know how to treat roads in the UK!! :)

After reading all your comments one thing is for sure: UK must be a lousy country:-))))

Dubai Marina will be definitely one of the best places to live in Dubai. Many projects will be completed by the end of this year or in early 2010 (PI, Quays, TGR) and when most job sites have disappeared it will look fantastic and futuristic.

After reading all your comments one thing is for sure: UK must be a lousy country:-))))

Dubai Marina will be definitely one of the best places to live in Dubai. Many projects will be completed by the end of this year or in early 2010 (PI, Quays, TGR) and when most job sites have disappeared it will look fantastic and futuristic.

any body comparing UK with dubai must be out of mind Dubai have 6 roads UK have 6 million roads it is greates country on Earth you canot count good things about UK compare Dubai with some thing else !:nuts:
Mirpuri

look this project (split, croatia)
http://www.d-a-s.hr/natjecaji/provedeni/1153/duilovo-rezultati-jedna-od-tri-jednakovrijedne-uvecane-iii-nagrade/

look this project (split, croatia)
http://www.d-a-s.hr/natjecaji/provedeni/1153/duilovo-rezultati-jedna-od-tri-jednakovrijedne-uvecane-iii-nagrade/

Why; - do they have crap roads there as well??? :lol:

there is good roads

look this project (split, croatia)
http://www.d-a-s.hr/natjecaji/provedeni/1153/duilovo-rezultati-jedna-od-tri-jednakovrijedne-uvecane-iii-nagrade/

So it's a marina in Split, Croatia. Very nice part of the world. Went there straight after I graduated from Uni. Although it was called Yugoslavia then and the Russians had just left following the end of the 2nd world war:lol: They were experimenting with electricity at the time, love to go back and see what it looks like lit up at night.

Had a quick read through the text, can you tell me is this the same DAS that are building the Marina Sky Towers in Dubai Marina.:ohno:

I can ask my friend Dado Prso for an opinion.

there is good roads

Not as good as the roads next door in Montenegro though, and they have that lovely new marina project in Kotor as well; - best in the Adriatic!! They also - very sensibly - use the Euro, even though they're not in the EU. It's a cool place!

i think on Radisson blu resort and this :http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=813316
this is Israeli project in SPlit

Not as good as the roads next door in Montenegro though, and they have that lovely new marina project in Kotor as well; - best in the Adriatic!! They also - very sensibly - use the Euro, even though they're not in the EU. It's a cool place!

croatia have new motorways
look some pictures:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=328729

Kotor is too small town for big project

Look at this, I was just playing with my Picasso, and realised I could take a snapshot of my movies, and I got some real crackers of the storm in March, I cant believe they where still working through it, that top photo, looks as though, it is just about to hit.


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Not sure if this was posted before - taken 6 months ago

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Steve,
The Oasis Hotel appears to be fully intact,
must have been taken earlier.What a view though!!
Probably the best marina view in the world.
What is the nearest or equivalent of Dubai Marina?
None I think!!

Dubai Marina is a district in the heart of what has recently become known as 'new Dubai', in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

^^

Wow, thanks for the tip buddy. :cheers:

20/August/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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