I noticed lately we now have a few flocks of Sea Gulls, nice to see wild life, but they can be a real pain if they take over the place, just flying pests, they have a habit of swooping down and knicking your dinner of your plate. Just think of that for all those outside diners.

Alan

ER you mean amplesou ? ^^:lol::lol:

^^oups, sorry, but Dubai Steve posted them. Btw, I love your shots, amplesou:)

dubai steves shots win for me.

Guys, take a look at todays gulfnews.com and head to the business section and then to property. The headline is quite interesting. Let's see what develops

Guys, take a look at todays gulfnews.com and head to the business section and then to property. The headline is quite interesting. Let's see what develops

Should have given us a little clue, not sure what headline it is you are excited about. The headline when I browsed was "Palm Jumeirah back in the reckoning":dunno:

Should have given us a little clue, not sure what headline it is you are excited about. The headline when I browsed was "Palm Jumeirah back in the reckoning":dunno:

Sorry! its a section labelled new law promises property refunds in Dubai. Gulfnews-business-property

Sorry! its a section labelled new law promises property refunds in Dubai. Gulfnews-business-property

Got a link?

Stunning pictures. Thank you very much guys! :)

Got a link?

http://gulfnews.com/business/property/new-law-promises-property-refunds-in-dubai-1.573307

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DUBAI MARINA PROGRESS – CHANGES FOR JANUARY UPDATE

MARINA MALL HOTEL & RESIDENCES MOVES TO HANDOVER IN PROGRESS
MARINA QUAYS MOVES TO HANDOVER IN PROGRESS
CASA DEL MAR MOVES TO COMPLETED
MARINA WHARF 1 MOVES TO COMPLETE AND HANDOVER DUE FROM MARCH
ALAREIFI MARINA IS ON HOLD
TORCH EXPECTED HANDOVER MOVED FORWARD TO BEGIN IN 2010
MARINA PINNACLE IS NOW 100% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
SULAFA TOWER IS NOW 100% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
THE ATLANTIC IS NOW 50% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
INFINITY MOVES TO 50% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
MARINA 101 MOVES TO 50% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
GROSVENOR HOUSE THE RESIDENCES MOVES TO 50% STRUCTURE COMPLETE
BOTANICA MOVES TO PODIUM
AL DUA'A MARINA TOWER MOVES TO ON HOLD
MY TOWER MOVES TO ON HOLD
MARINA 106 MOVES TO ON HOLD

METHODOLOGY

I am using best case scenarios for project handover dates, as this is worst case scenario for oversupply (Dubai’s biggest problem).
I am using project information from SSC threads to update progress.
Projects nearing completion reflect more accurate handover dates and projects in the early stages of construction are more estimated, inaccurate handover dates.
Projects are listed in order of expected delivery soonest first latest last.
Projects nearing handover will state handover month when announced by the developer.

Thanks HT, how many units is that being released in the marina in total in 2010 and 2011? Be interested to see how that corresponds to the press info. Since you have the excel sheet will be easier for you to add up :)

Thanks HT, how many units is that being released in the marina in total in 2010 and 2011? Be interested to see how that corresponds to the press info. Since you have the excel sheet will be easier for you to add up :)

I reckon around 5,000 units in 2010 and around 2,000 in 2011. Obviously handover dates will no doubt change as the year goes on but it dosnt bode well for the supply/demand ratios from where i'm sat.

Hmmm yes, can't imagine renting out 5000 marina units by the end of the year at present! Some of them may be for personal use only but I doubt many of them.

I reckon around 5,000 units in 2010 and around 2,000 in 2011. Obviously handover dates will no doubt change as the year goes on but it dosnt bode well for the supply/demand ratios from where i'm sat.

Could have been a lot worse HT. With buildings cancelled or on hold, the number could have been significantly higher. Now if we could just create 25,000 jobs......

Steve,

The problem as i see it is not only the new supply coming online but also the existing stock that is not fully occupied and the population which is not growing at the required/predicted levels.

Throw in th eage old Visa issue and you have issues.

I think that we are entering a new phase of development in Dubai real estate and there will be considerable consolidation and price differentiators that will be hitting the market over the coming months.

Should keep things interesting. :)

Could have been a lot worse HT. With buildings cancelled or on hold, the number could have been significantly higher. Now if we could just create 25,000 jobs......

I agree, Things can always be worse.

If i lose off my left leg, I could have lost my right one too. It doesnt make me feel any better about loosing my left one though.

I wonder what the rate of units rented per day and rate of expired rentals is at present in the marina?

The marina will always be in demand at a price. Problem is that if you are desperate and potential tenants smell your fear, they will drive the price down. I think rents could fall another 10-15% this year so your basic 1 bed at 75k could be 60k by this time next year. Larger high end 1 beds could fall to 90-100k(Jewels, Bayside, Marina Promenade etc)

Quite a lot of the future supply will be taken up by owners vacating rental properties in JLT and DG to move into their own properties. Can't be easy paying rent and a mortgage(or is the mortgage deferred until handover:dunno:).

I think the marina still has a long way to go before it's the finished article. But when the landscaping, tramline, marina walk and beachparks are done it will be the place to live and visit.:)

Come on Emaar, get the finger out and get on with the landscaping:bash:

TB I agree with this 100%. My view has been compounded drastically by what has happened generally in Dubai over the last year in terms of corporate failings, lack of governance generally and Abu Dhabi bail outs (more to come).

When I was first serious about putting some money into property in Dubai I naturally assumed that Palm J was THE location. Since educating myself further over recent years and conducting several feasibility studies in terms of occupancy, transport, infrastructure, hotel rooms, visitors, traffic etc. I am much more confident that Dubai Marina will develop as the best location in Dubai.

Downside is it won’t be until 2015 in my view.

Well 2015 - 2017 could be a good time to sell before the next crash.

Steve,

The problem as i see it is not only the new supply coming online but also the existing stock that is not fully occupied and the population which is not growing at the required/predicted levels.

Throw in th eage old Visa issue and you have issues.

I think that we are entering a new phase of development in Dubai real estate and there will be considerable consolidation and price differentiators that will be hitting the market over the coming months.

Should keep things interesting. :)

HT you have hit the nail in the head . Visa issue and compnies going bust and immigrant population not growing as predicted by dubai in 2004 -2005 is affecting everything in Dubai.
Just hope you are right about Upturn by 2015.
:bash:

29/January/2010

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HT TB, agreed with your esteemed opinion regarding the Marina. When landscaping and other infastructure is in place it will be the no. 1 choice location to live in Dubai.
Dubai is all about restoring confidence and with global growth expected towards the end of 2010 I feel that things may not be so gloomy this time next year. However in order for the property market to mature its best for a pattern of continued slow growth.

29/January/2010

Dubai Marina , heavy snow today :)

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Guys, take a look at todays gulfnews.com and head to the business section and then to property. The headline is quite interesting. Let's see what develops

Some one said to me I was in the Gulf News, full page, and yes there I am again, Page 11 if any of you have it.

Al.

Christ I am getting so famous, I think I will ask for more discounts...............

is it in the online version? Which headline is it??

Its speak your mind, on page 11, it's the whole page, about a cultural debate...............

Alan

Gulf News (http://gulfnews.com/opinions/speakyourmind/focus-cultural-intelligence-1.575254)

cheers all - interesting debate. Opens up whole new questions...

Thanks Apple Mac, I couldn't find it anywhere.

They never said it would be a full page in the paper, it was a bit of a con really, as there was only 4 off us, had Joye not come, the other guy was late, so it would have been just me and Annabelle, they are a bit mean, I said, how about lunch? as I am always thinking about my belly, all we got was a couple of dead pizza slices, and some coke, well how about a years subscription to the paper, for our efforts, no nothing, what a tight crowd they are, I used get this in London, market research, and the like, and they gave you a hundred quid for your efforts, I think they need to do a lot better if they think people are going to show up for nothing.

Still it might be a useful contacts, if I need to write about our developers.

Alan

Can't beat a bit of local networking, it could provide useful media contact for future articles about the developer!!

These old folks! A bit patronizing aren’t they?

And we need to do something about that hair cut :lol: :banana:

Love the energy Al, keep it up :cheers:

I seem to be very popular down at GN, that's the third time I have been in the thing, I might have my own column next, sort of do a Richard Littlejohn, as long as they pay, I would have cracked it then.

Al.

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29/January/2010

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Nice photos Imre, what was going on there on the beach??

Nice photos Imre, what was going on there on the beach??

Parachute competition

I seem to be very popular down at GN, that's the third time I have been in the thing, I might have my own column next, sort of do a Richard Littlejohn, as long as they pay, I would have cracked it then.

Al.

Nice one Alan - Looking forward to the next installment!

Thanks, I have picked up some contacts, it might be useful when it comes to bad developers, and telling our side of the story.

Anyone know what the two huge Marquees, going up on the Yacht Club there? is it Mina Al Seyha

A.

Boat Show's next month. Could be that.

"Buy a boat and get a free Apartment!"

BOGOF! (BuyOneGetOneFree)

05/February/2010

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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I am looking for projects in Marina for sales. There is a high demand for Dubai Marina now. If any one having unsold projects, ready or under construction projects, please contact me urgently.

First time I have done it, but as my family where here this week, I went for a Dhow trip up the Marina.

I must admit the A.E. is looking pretty good, the buildings are mainly finished, and the Yacht Club, is full of nice boats.
Anybody know what kind of numbers, a full capacity of people could be, in the Marina area, not JLT, but JBR, and the Marina buildings on the water, and up to SZR, plus the supertalls, like the torch, how about a half a Million plus or not, any ideas? work on the assumption that every building is full, and has 2.5 person in it.

Alan

^^ Alan what is A.E?

This marina area seems quite good and in general AE was developed and developing ;)

First time I have done it, but as my family where here this week, I went for a Dhow trip up the Marina.

I must admit the A.E. is looking pretty good, the buildings are mainly finished, and the Yacht Club, is full of nice boats.
Anybody know what kind of numbers, a full capacity of people could be, in the Marina area, not JLT, but JBR, and the Marina buildings on the water, and up to SZR, plus the supertalls, like the torch, how about a half a Million plus or not, any ideas? work on the assumption that every building is full, and has 2.5 person in it.

Alan

Not a hope for half a million.

I made a rough (very very rough) estimate for the tallest block before. Somebody asked "how could so many supertall towers ever be filled?". I told them the residential is very different to office and I would prove that the whole tallest block including the smaller towers, would provide housing for less than the amount of people working in one of the world trade centre towers in NYC. According to wikipedia 50,000 worked in the WTC towers.

In my calculation I assumed 8 two-bedroom apartments per floor and simply added up all the floors of each tower and got around 23,000 residents (when completely full). In reality the capacity is less than this since tower like the pentominium only have 160 apartments in 120 floors but I wanted a maximum figure. This is for 20 towers where the average number of floors is around 75 (assuming damac heights, marina 106, etc, all get built). So we have 23,000 residents in 20 towers where the average floor count is 75 per tower.

What is average number of floors in a tower in the marina (not counting the tallest block), around 30 floors (maybe less but I'll go for a maximum figure again :)). Say we again have 8 two-bedroom apartments per floor (a big overestimate IMO since the smaller towers are thinner as well) and 200 towers with an average of 30 floors each. That is only 96,000 residents (surprised myself here, though I would get around 200,000). So add the tallest block and you have 119,000 people in total.

:cheers:


I really thought it would be more (for the whole marina) before I did the calculation. I can now understand how some of the crazy construction could be justified. There used to be around 100,000 new residents a year. That is almost the addition of an entire marina's worth of extra housing. If good business comes back to Dubai and population rises again I would bet the entire marina and JLT will fill up very quickly since it's one of the best areas. However, a marina sized office district would probably cater for a million people so business bay might be in trouble for a long time.

^^ Alan what is A.E?

Hit the wrong button, he meant C.E. The "Chic End" of the marina. The phase 1 end is becoming over developed now and is claustrophobic. Chic end can only get better and still has plenty of blue skys.

Can't wait until they get the west marina opened and finish the landscaping to the park in front of The Jewels:banana: Imre is also a big fan of the Chic End, he has only ever bought in this part of the marina:okay:

I am looking for projects in Marina for sales. There is a high demand for Dubai Marina now. If any one having unsold projects, ready or under construction projects, please contact me urgently.
What sort of projects are you looking for?
Apartments or buildings or offices??

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Wow! Amazing picture!:cheers:

^^ Alan what is A.E?

Jeetha...................Arse End, but I am willing to upgrade it, no not Chic end, perhaps Dead End, no that's unfair, how about people who cant afford the other end,end.

Alan

Not a hope for half a million.

I made a rough (very very rough) estimate for the tallest block before. Somebody asked "how could so many supertall towers ever be filled?". I told them the residential is very different to office and I would prove that the whole tallest block including the smaller towers, would provide housing for less than the amount of people working in one of the world trade centre towers in NYC. According to wikipedia 50,000 worked in the WTC towers.

In my calculation I assumed 8 two-bedroom apartments per floor and simply added up all the floors of each tower and got around 23,000 residents (when completely full). In reality the capacity is less than this since tower like the pentominium only have 160 apartments in 120 floors but I wanted a maximum figure. This is for 20 towers where the average number of floors is around 75 (assuming damac heights, marina 106, etc, all get built). So we have 23,000 residents in 20 towers where the average floor count is 75 per tower.

What is average number of floors in a tower in the marina (not counting the tallest block), around 30 floors (maybe less but I'll go for a maximum figure again :)). Say we again have 8 two-bedroom apartments per floor (a big overestimate IMO since the smaller towers are thinner as well) and 200 towers with an average of 30 floors each. That is only 96,000 residents (surprised myself here, though I would get around 200,000). So add the tallest block and you have 119,000 people in total.

:cheers:


I really thought it would be more (for the whole marina) before I did the calculation. I can now understand how some of the crazy construction could be justified. There used to be around 100,000 new residents a year. That is almost the addition of an entire marina's worth of extra housing. If good business comes back to Dubai and population rises again I would bet the entire marina and JLT will fill up very quickly since it's one of the best areas. However, a marina sized office district would probably cater for a million people so business bay might be in trouble for a long time.

Thanks for doing that Malec, so it sort of proves the point, that when buildings come on stream in the Marina, they get let out pretty quickly, its a place that is now becoming extremely popular, and will have an under supply of housing.

When the new Metro Stations open as well, it will bring thousands of tourists and Emerati's and workers into the place, its proximity to JBR as well, and more and more Restaurants coming on stream every day, and being very honest the other end has some lovely looking buidings all up and running, 3 to 5 years, and this will be the only place to live.

Alan

First time I have done it, but as my family where here this week, I went for a Dhow trip up the Marina.

I must admit the A.E. is looking pretty good, the buildings are mainly finished, and the Yacht Club, is full of nice boats.
Anybody know what kind of numbers, a full capacity of people could be, in the Marina area, not JLT, but JBR, and the Marina buildings on the water, and up to SZR, plus the supertalls, like the torch, how about a half a Million plus or not, any ideas? work on the assumption that every building is full, and has 2.5 person in it.

Alan

Jeetha...................Arse End, but I am willing to upgrade it, no not Chic end, perhaps Dead End, no that's unfair, how about people who cant afford the other end,end.

Alan

Of course the “Ace end”. I also prefer this side of the Marina.
Lots more happening here.

Thanks Alan for reminding me….it’s that Naz’s entire fault for calling it wrongly.

Chic end sounds better.

Whatever happened to him?

Jeetha...................Arse End, but I am willing to upgrade it, no not Chic end, perhaps Dead End, no that's unfair, how about people who cant afford the other end,end.

Alan

All the people who chose the phase 1 end are still bitter because someone correctly predicted that JBR walk would be more popular.:lol:

No I am not bitter, I dont have those kind of feelings, any part of the Marina being completed is good news for us all, and yes JBR is very popular, as is Marina Walk, if they sort out some parking, it would be heaving everywhere, I had a bit of luck, because I was going to buy in the Waterfront, and look what happpened there, with the roads around it, and no where near the water front.

I bought unseen the Marinascape, and got lucky, what's a 2 bed Marina facing high floor, in th Jewels goig for nowadays?
A.

No I am not bitter, I dont have those kind of feelings, any part of the Marina being completed is good news for us all, and yes JBR is very popular, as is Marina Walk, if they sort out some parking, it would be heaving everywhere, I had a bit of luck, because I was going to buy in the Waterfront, and look what happpened there, with the roads around it, and no where near the water front.

I bought unseen the Marinascape, and got lucky, what's a 2 bed Marina facing high floor, in th Jewels goig for nowadays?
A.

Jewels 2 beds listed today on Dubizzle are min 2.2M to max 2.8M, not sure of the relevance, maybe you are thinking that if they were situated in front of the Torch they would be worth twice as much.

Alan, I'm not going to fall out with you over this, but the "arse end" was a phrase coined by Naz and championed by the other owners of the Torch as a means of getting to me personally for the comments I was posting about the Torch at the time. They though I was harming their investment by quoting delivery dates years beyond what Select promised them. Constantly stating 2011 for completion was just being spitefull in their view. Then there was the commments about the Torch location being the best due to proximity of Emaars phase 1 district, which was the centrepoint of the marina at that time. My opinion was that JBR walk would be more popular. Everytime I would say anything that was against their comments about the Torch and it's location, same old responses about arse end, arse end! So you can probably imagine I still take it personaly when I see the words or the implied term appearing on the forum from a Torch owner and respond, or take the bait, what ever.

Torch is not unique to this and I get it from the BC team also. Say anything against BC estimated completion or perceived state of the art luxury and a big picture appears on the forum of the bridge in front of Dorrabay, or constant comments about a fantasy sewage works:lol: (who would buy here, a big motorway flyover, and all the usual shit). The culprit hasn't even got the brains to work out that the bridge is basically the same road that runs past BC, just 10 feet higher off the ground.

Interesting fact that not many people would stop to consider. Starting from Dorrabay and going down to the bridge at La Residencia del Mar, there isn't 1 studio apartment in any any of the 5 buildings in that row of towers built along the waterfront. It may not be anyones automatic first choice of location but I expect as people spend more time in the area they will eventually aspire to own in the less dense and less hectic part of town.

Take care my brother and don't be causing any more trouble or I will have to serve you with an AZBO! :lol:

No, No, lets not fall out, I only followed the crowd, but since taking a trip down there I was really impressed with the Yacht club, and beyond, I think we should all be proud to be owners of any Marina property, and I officially from now on only refer to your end as the Rear End, (only joking, just couldn't resit that) how about "The Yacht Club End" or Downstream, or Upstream End, come up with some ideas and we could vote on it, by the way, what is that development, where two of the buildings hangs out over the water.

Fraternally yours

Al.

p.s. I must be the only Englishman that wanted Scotland to win yesterday, Oh and the prices are the same as down here, perhaps a little higher, at your end.

The new marina they are building infront of The Jewels is apparently going to be called Westside marina(already a building called that so who knows might end up Khalifa marina:laugh:)

The development overhanging the marina is Emaars Marina Quays.:okay:

Sounds like you need to get out to the West more often and stop spending so much time in the East, or you will be known as the RWM of the marina.:cheers:

The new marina they are building infront of The Jewels is apparently going to be called Westside marina(already a building called that so who knows might end up Khalifa marina:laugh:)


You will have 2 apartments in Abu Dhabi soon , congratulations!

:cheers:

Maybe they will have the money to finish the landscaping:)

So it will be the Abu Dhabi end of the Marina:okay:

T.B.
A construction question, is it common here to set your bath in concrete and sand, Im having a shower installed, and when the boys took the bath out, everyone was surprised by the bath set in half a ton of sand.

A.

^^Yes, that's how they do it in the hotels and apartments. It has something to do with filling the void to stop stale air causing fungus and mould creating an environment they can thrive in along with the cockroaches. Otherwise I think you have to provide ventilation and use plenty of cockroach killer.:)

Thank you.

Thank you.

You can learn something every day on this thread!

^^Yeah as well as below baths which is an ideal environment for cockroaches, remember to remove your plinth boards in the kitchen every 6 months and treat with anti roach powder or you will start finding your cornflakes being eaten by a mystery guest.:)

From Wikipeadia;

Where cockroaches are found
Cockroaches like:

concealment comfortable temperature food and moisture society
Cockroaches like to avoid daylight and hide in cracks and crevices, known as harbourages. They eat almost anything, including cardboard, and come out to forage at dusk and early night. They thrive at temperatures of 20-35 oC, more towards the higher end of the range. They need access to water. They stay together in groups. They are mostly found in kitchens and toilets, e.g. behind cookers or in laundry baskets, at the backs of drawers, behind peeling wallpaper, etc. They move along water pipes and air ducts. Tower blocks are particularly vulnerable to infestation because of the ease with which cockroaches can move through the building. The design of buildings and the materials used in their construction can facilitate the spread of cockroaches.

Cockroaches can walk, run, jump and sometimes fly. But probably their main movement from building to building is in transported goods; this can even occur in ships and aircraft.

Ever wondered why some plinth boards are made from aluminium wrapped wood? Cockroaches love MDF, yummy!

Jeetha...................Arse End, but I am willing to upgrade it, no not Chic end, perhaps Dead End, no that's unfair, how about people who cant afford the other end,end.

Alan

I do agree that Phase 1 is very nice, but I must say that whenever my friends point out how great it is down there (I guess I'm in the "West End"), I point out that you can't walk to the beach from Phase 1. And what's the point of buying near the beach if you can't walk out your apartment and be in the water in a few minutes?

Interesting fact that not many people would stop to consider. Starting from Dorrabay and going down to the bridge at La Residencia del Mar, there isn't 1 studio apartment in any any of the 5 buildings in that row of towers built along the waterfront.:

That is nice, I believe that is quite rare for the cheap end of the marina. Note that the Torch does not have any studios, nor does the Pentominium or Le Reve, Marriott, 23 Marina etc.

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among Emaar's developments in the marina, phase 1 still yields the highest price per sqft, around dhs 1,300, while the others go for around dhs 1,100. i was surprised by that giving how popular JBR's Walk is today!!

I do agree that Phase 1 is very nice, but I must say that whenever my friends point out how great it is down there (I guess I'm in the "West End"), I point out that you can't walk to the beach from Phase 1. And what's the point of buying near the beach if you can't walk out your apartment and be in the water in a few minutes?

I do agree that Phase 1 is very nice, but I must say that whenever my friends point out how great it is down there (I guess I'm in the "West End"), I point out that you can't walk to the beach from Phase 1. And what's the point of buying near the beach if you can't walk out your apartment and be in the water in a few minutes?

My wife goes to the beach, takes her about 10 minutes, over the first bridge, which is now accessible, and a quick walk up JBR, or she takes a bike, once the tram is in, no problem at all.

Al.

That is nice, I believe that is quite rare for the cheap end of the marina. Note that the Torch does not have any studios, nor does the Pentominium or Le Reve, Marriott, 23 Marina etc.

There are plenty of towers that do have studios in the tallest block. The entire tallest block is a complete planning enigma. Other parts of the world that have clusters of high rise buildings do so because of a need for the housing and a lack of space to fit it in. There is no lack of space in Dubai and an apparent oversupply of housing, so whats the point of it? Complete enigma or white elephant?

At some point people will question why do they want to live in a tower crammed full with 650 apartments that is not really close to anything when there are plenty of other options available. Supply and demand sold these towers and the same economics could kill them off. Then we can debate cheap end if you want.

Starting from Dorrabay and going down to the bridge at La Residencia del Mar, there isn't 1 studio apartment in any any of the 5 buildings in that row of towers built along the waterfront. It may not be anyones automatic first choice of location but I expect as people spend more time in the area they will eventually aspire to own in the less dense and less hectic part of town.



That is nice, I believe that is quite rare for the cheap end of the marina. Note that the Torch does not have any studios, nor does the Pentominium or Le Reve, Marriott, 23 Marina etc.

There are plenty of towers that do have studios in the tallest block. The entire tallest block is a complete planning enigma. Other parts of the world that have clusters of high rise buildings do so because of a need for the housing and a lack of space to fit it in. There is no lack of space in Dubai and an apparent oversupply of housing, so whats the point of it? Complete enigma or white elephant?

At some point people will question why do they want to live in a tower crammed full with 650 apartments that is not really close to anything when there are plenty of other options available. Supply and demand sold these towers and the same economics could kill them off. Then we can debate cheap end if you want.

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/the-torch/

^^On sale at 05 prelaunch prices. Not often I win an argument so quickly:runaway:

^^ you need to compare apples with apples. The torch is still almost 1 year (or 2 years according to you) from handover so the prices could be cheaper psf than a completed property in the cheap end. When completed you can make fair comparisons.

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/the-torch/

^^On sale at 05 prelaunch prices. Not often I win an argument so quickly:runaway:

Or so desperately either.

Let me counter your argument with an equally ridiculous logic.

This is a completed property for sale in the tallest block next door to the Torch. Asking price 3,200Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/villahouse/2010/1/27/stunning-modern-4-bedroom-la-reve-penthouse/

Another completed property in the tallest block, next door to the Torch, asking price 1,800Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/3/dubai-marina-marina-heights-3-bedroom-apartment/

This is a completed property for sale at the other end of the Marina. 797Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/9/manchester-tower-1/

Heres another up at your end in your building at 941Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/9/beautiful-3-bed-rooms-apartment-for-sale-in-the-/

Comparing completed property prices with under construction prices in todays climate just to try and prove a point is a very cheap shot, even for you. :)

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I do think that the east end and west end of the Marina will offer a very different social dynamic which will in turn influence prices to a degree.

I don’t think the true impact of this will be known until 2015 and there are many variables involved, The biggest being a large plot of sand at one end.

I think another thing that you conveniently decide to disregard is that throughout Asia, tall buildings carry a certain amount of kudos and value, more so than in the west we look at high rises as a sign of poor quality low value housing. In Asia it seems to be totally the opposite.

It may have something to do with average heights in the demographic. :dunno:

Or so desperately either.

Let me counter your argument with an equally ridiculous logic.

This is a completed property for sale in the tallest block next door to the Torch. Asking price 3,200Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/villahouse/2010/1/27/stunning-modern-4-bedroom-la-reve-penthouse/

Another completed property in the tallest block, next door to the Torch, asking price 1,800Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/3/dubai-marina-marina-heights-3-bedroom-apartment/

This is a completed property for sale at the other end of the Marina. 797Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/9/manchester-tower-1/

Heres another up at your end in your building at 941Dh psf - http://dubai.dubizzle.com/property-for-sale/apartment/2010/2/9/beautiful-3-bed-rooms-apartment-for-sale-in-the-/

Comparing completed property prices with under construction prices in todays climate just to try and prove a point is a very cheap shot, even for you. :)

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I do think that the east end and west end of the Marina will offer a very different social dynamic which will in turn influence prices to a degree.

I don’t think the true impact of this will be known until 2015 and there are many variables involved, The biggest being a large plot of sand at one end.

I think another thing that you conveniently decide to disregard is that throughout Asia, tall buildings carry a certain amount of kudos and value, more so than in the west we look at high rises as a sign of poor quality low value housing. In Asia it seems to be totally the opposite.

It may have something to do with average heights in the demographic. :dunno:

^^What a lot of pish!!!:lol: And totally irrelevant to my point and my argument.

You guys like to dish it out, but don't like it coming back.

^^ you need to compare apples with apples. The torch is still almost 1 year (or 2 years according to you) from handover so the prices could be cheaper psf than a completed property in the cheap end. When completed you can make fair comparisons.

2011 is only next year so again we are not sticking to facts just twisting things.

Torch will not sell at OP. Sales are generally below asking prices so if Select are eating humble pie and advertising at OP, what is the actual bottom line?

Nice to be nice Steve.

Same comments as HT, if you don't like it coming back then don't dish it out!

Same comments as HT, if you don't like it coming back then don't dish it out!

:lol:

No i was just responding to your concept of labeling all of the tallest block with the same brush.

Due to the design/density/layout of the tallest block i agree with you to some degree. Theres too much there.

I think as the area develops and matures we will see massive price variance within the same block, even within the same tower.
What i mean is that if you take a look at the tallest block you will see that some units will have arguably the best views in the Marina, even Dubai, and some will be 20 meters away from a neighbours balcony or bathroom window.

We all know that in Dubai great views command a premium. I think in an increasingly difficult market this will have a far greater significance than when all of the units in the TB were launched. OP means nothing anymore.

Completed properties with great views will command a premium. Units with poor/no views will be difficult to sell or rent due to the sheer numbers available in the TB.

My point is, in the TB i think it will be common to see 50% -100% difference in selling prices for property in next door towers. Down at the low rise end i think it will eventually even out to a smaller variable.

In the diagram below you can see i have coloured certain faces of buildings blue and orange. In my eyes blue represents sub standard and orange represents high standard. Take out the commercial buildings (hotels) and it doesnt leave you with many units which i would label as PRIME in the TB.

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The massive plots on the waterfront will have the biggest impact on the TB and East Marina for me.
I cant seriously see residential use being viable here and so my instinct tells me that it will be commercial space, low-mid rise, with facilities to benefit the area as a whole.

However this is Dubai, so it could just as easily be another mall or airport.

2011 is only next year so again we are not sticking to facts just twisting things.

Torch will not sell at OP. Sales are generally below asking prices so if Select are eating humble pie and advertising at OP, what is the actual bottom line?

Nice to be nice Steve.

Same comments as HT, if you don't like it coming back then don't dish it out!

A friend of mine is looking to buy Marina facing 2 bed unit in the Torch. With NO LPP he is being offered units at 1020 aed per sq ft. On the LPP the minimum 2 bed is priced at 1200 aed per sq ft.

I think you will find good Torch units will sell at original prices.

A friend of mine is looking to buy Marina facing 2 bed unit in the Torch. With NO LPP he is being offered units at 1020 aed per sq ft. On the LPP the minimum 2 bed is priced at 1200 aed per sq ft.

I think you will find good Torch units will sell at original prices.

I don't get it, why would anyone want to pay 90% for a building with a year to go and tie that money up with no return and exposure to plenty of risk. There are plenty of units finished or near finished that could be snapped up and rented straight away with no risks attached.

Sounds like you did a good job on your friend or you're just making it up:dunno:

I don't get it, why would anyone want to pay 90% for a building with a year to go and tie that money up with no return and exposure to plenty of risk. There are plenty of units finished or near finished that could be snapped up and rented straight away with no risks attached.

Sounds like you did a good job on your friend or you're just making it up:dunno:

Hahaha I did no job mate! He is looking around to buy something in the marina and has looked at the Torch also. He has been quoted those figures I mentioned in my post. What is there to make up ?

12/February/2010

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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I have just been down the Marina, and stood behind a coach load of American tourist, straight of one of the cruise boats, the guide was pointing out the twisty tower, and they where full of praise, awesome one said, when you consider we are now a tourist attraction, it can only get better, anyone not bought a property here, needs to do so soon.

Alan

I have just been down the Marina, and stood behind a coach load of American tourist, straight of the cruiose boats, the guide was pointing out the twisty tower, and they where full of awe, when you consider we are now a tourist attraction, it can only get better, anyone not bought a property here, needs to do so soon.

Alan

If you look at the weekend papers in the UK, it's full of cruise holidays that start or finish in Dubai now

I have just been down the Marina, and stood behind a coach load of American tourist, straight of one of the cruise boats, the guide was pointing out the twisty tower, and they where full of praise, awesome one said, when you consider we are now a tourist attraction, it can only get better, anyone not bought a property here, needs to do so soon.

Alan

My brother is a senior executive with RCCL and Celebrity. I talked him into Dubai as an alternative to the over done Carribean market. (That is my story and I'm sticking to it) This decision to start cruising Dubai was taken 3 years ago. I am sure I posted it on the forum at the time as I was first to be informed outside of RCCL. I have also met with other execs to discuss ideas and attractions to develop the itinery.

They are wanting to build a cruise ship terminal on the outside of the Palm opposite Atlantis.

As well as operating Radiance class ships (One of which is called The Jewel of the Seas:)) from Dubai for 4 months of the year, they will also be operating stopovers for ships in transit from the Med to Tailand/Australasia.

Dear True Blue my old and trusted knowledgeable friend ( did you say your brother works for RCCL)....Brilliance of the Seas is doing the rounds in the Arabian Gulf, me and the mrs are on it at the end of March immediately after we go to the Dubai World Cup Racing.

It will be and continue to be a tourism hub , nowhere in the world can you get such luxury and high standards. Despite the occassional doom and gloom merchants and the negative uk press I believe Dubai will be one of the first places to pull out of the current global crisis and everyone will want to be a part of it

Well done you, no, I mean that, I like a cruise, being an old sea dog, we where the Sapphire Princess a couple of years ago, and did Alaska, and on to the Far East, they had th same problem finding new ports, one in Northern Japan, called Moruran, was a Steel town I had been there in my Navy days, the steel works had gone, and they where trying to get the ships in there, to supplement there income, it was very sad sight to see, the whole town had banners and welcome signs, and eveyone said "Hello" even Japanese school kids escorted us everywhere around the town.

Then we went to Vladivostock, what a disaster that was.

Alan

If you look at the weekend papers in the UK, it's full of cruise holidays that start or finish in Dubai now

Also anyone else notice that when a footballer's wife is upset, they all seem to run to Dubai! :lol:

Poor old JT - Dad of the year my a**e!:banana:

Dear True Blue my old and trusted knowledgeable friend ( did you say your brother works for RCCL)....Brilliance of the Seas is doing the rounds in the Arabian Gulf, me and the mrs are on it at the end of March immediately after we go to the Dubai World Cup Racing.

It will be and continue to be a tourism hub , nowhere in the world can you get such luxury and high standards. Despite the occassional doom and gloom merchants and the negative uk press I believe Dubai will be one of the first places to pull out of the current global crisis and everyone will want to be a part of it

Yeah! been with them 20 years now but getting anything out of him is a nightmare. Mind you we always do well through other managers and heads all trying to keep in with the bosses relatives:)

He lives in Miami but came over last year for the launch and inaugural cruise of Oasis of the seas. Look it up, it's the Burj Khalifa of the high seas, biggest ship in the world. I think they must have a sister ship launching this year as he informed me he is likely to be back over April sometime.

Thinking about it, that would be some picture, Oasis of the seas with Burj Khalifa in the background.

I have just been down the Marina, and stood behind a coach load of American tourist, straight of one of the cruise boats, the guide was pointing out the twisty tower, and they where full of praise, awesome one said, when you consider we are now a tourist attraction, it can only get better, anyone not bought a property here, needs to do so soon.

Alan

AWESOME! :D

Also anyone else notice that when a footballer's wife is upset, they all seem to run to Dubai! :lol:

Poor old JT - Dad of the year my a**e!:banana:

They are in the Le Royal Meridien now, JT arrived yesterday .

I should take some pics but no idea how:)

Come up to my place with a long lense, I see into the Meridian, I am off for a cigar in JBR, if I see them or the Paps, I will let you know.

Alan

Thanks but I think that is too far, my friend in the JBR

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This is the view from his balcony but I dont have a paparazzi lens:)

Reunited:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1250591/John-Terry-plays-family-man-joins-wife-Toni-pool-Dubai.html

John Terry jokes -

A Chelsea player is stopped for speeding at 130mph in a 30mph zone. When the police ask him to explain, he says: "I've just heard John Terry is parked outside my house.

Finally,
Wayne Bridge bought Vanessa Perroncel a chocolate willy... but she says she prefers Terry's.:lol::lol:

Great video of the marina and tallest block

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Breathtaking!!!

Loved the movement of the shadows, the jetstreams and the stars. All highlighting the earths rotation. Just reminds you that life goes on.

Superb.

While in Vancouver for the olympic's I finally got a chance to go see the marina, and you can really notice how Dubai's marina was inspired by this place.

The nice thing about Vancouver's marina is a sense of community, which I hope Dubai's marina will have one day when complete.

I even took a look at the price's, studio's start at half a million dollar's, rite up to ten million dollar's for bigger condo's. The Canadian dollar is almost at par with the US.

^^Which Vancouver Marina Are You Referring To?

^^Which Vancouver Marina Are You Referring To?

I dont live in Vancouver, nor do I know it very well, but the marina rite beside Canada Place.

I dont live in Vancouver, nor do I know it very well, but the marina rite beside Canada Place.

Hi Noir

That water stretch is Burrard inlet. Just sold our place in Vancouver - Sept 09 - people always used to say to me about the Dubai Marina based on Vancouver skyline thing and they meant BC Place and English Bay which does indeed have lots of tower blocks surrounding it. Canada Place is where the cruise ships leave for Alaska and also has the Sea Bus going to the North Shore with Ski Hills and Indian land. Nothing at all like Dubai. Personally I never bought into the Vancouver/Dubai thing - no hills in Dubai!!

PS How do I change my "location"

Hi Noir

That water stretch is Burrard inlet. Just sold our place in Vancouver - Sept 09 - people always used to say to me about the Dubai Marina based on Vancouver skyline thing and they meant BC Place and English Bay which does indeed have lots of tower blocks surrounding it. Canada Place is where the cruise ships leave for Alaska and also has the Sea Bus going to the North Shore with Ski Hills and Indian land. Nothing at all like Dubai. Personally I never bought into the Vancouver/Dubai thing - no hills in Dubai!!

PS How do I change my "location"

HOK Canada designed and planned the Dubai Marina. See more here:
http://www.hok.com/cfm/NewsArchiveDetail.cfm?Category=Planning&instanceID=629cd4fd-1422-77e3-d264-8a8ec0c889f7

:cheers:

Thanks for the info FWIW.

That would make more sense if it was modelled on Toronto. Really liked the model pic of first 4 towers and surrounding low-rise. Whaterever happened to the "10 distinct areas and villas" ?

19/February/2010

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19/February/2010

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Wow concert :banana: looks like a big do.

When marina is finish, there will be no more buildings work, no more construction noise.

Best place in Dubai will be here in the Marina.

Also no one in Dubai or anywhere else in the world will buy another off plan ever in Dubai.

So no more new buildings unless it’s hotels.

Prices will soon start to rise again.

When is the marina "due" to be finished or is this an impossible question to answer?

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The latest for the Marina Station , 25th April , JLT Station few months after:

RTA: Dubai Metro Red Line to be completed in April 2010, Green Line in August 2011

Al Tayer: 7 Metro Stations on the Red Line to be operated on 25 April 2010


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Roads & Transport Authority – Mohammed Al Munji:
H.E. Mattar Al Tayer, Chairman of the Board and Executive Director of Roads & Transport Authority (RTA), announced that the Contractor of Dubai Metro Project; Dubai Rail Link (DURL) Consortium; is set to complete all the remaining works in the stations on the Red Line (18 stations) on 25 April 2010, and that all works in the stations on the Green Line will be completed in August 2011.
“The operation of Red Line stations will be in phases starting from April 25th, 2010; where several key stations will be operational; namely Emirates Station, Airport Terminal 1 Station, GGICO Station, Al Karama Station, World Trade Center Station, Marina Station, and Ibn Battuta Station. The remaining stations will be operated over the following months of 2010” added Al Tayer.

Original text and bigger pics here:

http://imresolt.blogspot.com/2010/02/rta-dubai-metro-red-line-to-be.html

^^^^

Given that the RTA have no money he seems pretty confident about his dates?

I heard today that more contractors are about to walk of site on the Tram system - the contractors at JBR walked weeks ago and now the ones building the elevated part along SZR are going to walk. Apparently they had arranged a meeting last week to discuss overdue payments with the RTA but the RTA never showed.

There are also contractors walking off certain bridge projects (probably the Al-Khail road) due to nonpayment.

It's a crying shame that they ever started on this Tram idea as the roads around the Marina were finished with nice landscaping - now we are condemned to living in an eyesore for who knows how long.:cry:

Latest info was Feb 2010 for the opening, now April , in April they will say June and etc..etc..

^^^^
There are also contractors walking off certain bridge projects (probably the Al-Khail road) due to nonpayment.


This bridge also ON HOLD :

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It looks bad just next to the GH.

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This bridge also ON HOLD :

It looks bad just next to the GH.

Just glad the bridge next to Dorrabay got finished. It took so long that I was sure it would never be done. Now with the blue lighting it is a feature in the marina and is quite spectacular to drive over and see the JBR walk, beach and marina as you arrive or leave the marina island. Currently the nicest bridge in the marina.

Just glad the bridge next to Dorrabay got finished. It took so long that I was sure it would never be done. Now with the blue lighting it is a feature in the marina and is quite spectacular to drive over and see the JBR walk, beach and marina as you arrive or leave the marina island. Currently the nicest bridge in the marina.

I will adopt this theraputic, calming attitude - turning negative into a positive - when I take delivery of my aprtment at TT. Teach me TB! If you've done it with a flyover outside your front door you must be quite an expert in positive thinking! :)

What you are doing wrong is turning a road into a motorway. It isn't a flyover it's a bridge and at night it is quite stunning. The road that this bridge carries is the same road that runs past just about every development in the marina. I would rather have this bridge opposite me than a busy junction with traffic lights. And relax:)

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:ohno:

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that's an aboslity correct :lol:

^^Knew you would understand it Bizzy:laugh:

It's a crying shame that they ever started on this Tram idea as the roads around the Marina were finished with nice landscaping - now we are condemned to living in an eyesore for who knows how long.:cry:

^^THIS is propably one of the most frustrating things to deal with, related to the leaving of contractors from sites around the DM.

^^THIS is propably one of the most frustrating things to deal with, related to the leaving of contractors from sites around the DM.

Still not too late to pay the contractors, if they all leave that would be a problem, new tender, new permissions etc.. minimum 1 year delay.

looks like more yachting spaces are being built around the mall. It should bring a lot more life to that area. Cant wait for bay central to finish to have another similar view of the promenade.

What you are doing wrong is turning a road into a motorway.

Well it is bigger than some motorways :runaway:

Anyone notice that prices for Marina properties to buy/rent seem to have risen slightly?
Despite the apparent over supply, there does not appear to be the same level of "distressed" sales. Furthermore rental units also seem to be demanding min AED 100/sqf.
Is the Marina leading a recovery or is this a false dawn?

Well it is bigger than some motorways :runaway:

:ohno: motorways have a minimum of 3 lanes and a minimum speed limit of 30mph so you're talking out your *rse..:lol:

:ohno: motorways have a minimum of 3 lanes and a minimum speed limit of 30mph so you're talking out your *rse..:lol:

You need to get out more sunshine - thousands of miles of motorway in Europe and the US is only 2 lanes :lol:

Girls girls:

Collins English Motorway defination (http://www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx):
"a dual carriageway for fast-moving traffic, with no stopping permitted and no crossroads"

you are both correct-ish

Girls girls:

Collins English Motorway defination (http://www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx):
"a dual carriageway for fast-moving traffic, with no stopping permitted and no crossroads"

you are both correct-ish

your page is offline darling

Girls girls:



It's OK, only having a bit of fun - TB is very sensitive about his bridge :horse:

And what a bridge it is!

http://www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx

It's OK, only having a bit of fun - TB is very sensitive about his bridge :horse:


No don't give up, Apple Mac, I have driven in many countries in trucks and cars, and there are plenty of two lane motorways, most in Northern Germany had two lane Autobahns, built by Heir Hitler, concrete rumble strips, nightmare on your back, over the Mountains at Aosta, southern Italy south of Rome, and to many more to mention, but you say we are talking UK, ok, the M4 at Hammersmith, is 2 lanes over the flyover.

p.s I forgot it was 25 years ago, so someone German is going to tell me they have widened it now

Al

Girls girls:

Collins English Motorway defination (http://www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx):
"a dual carriageway for fast-moving traffic, with no stopping permitted and no crossroads"

you are both correct-ish

You need to get out more sunshine - thousands of miles of motorway in Europe and the US is only 2 lanes :lol:

^^Doesn't know the difference between Dual carriageway and Motorway. The physical difference is the mandatory third lane, refuge or hard shoulder. I built miles of them and their bridges for years so I should know the differences.

Here's another clue, which is not likely to have a pedestrian footway. A motorway overbridge or a dual carriageway overbridge?

The physical difference is the mandatory third lane, refuge or hard shoulder. I built miles of them and their bridges for years so I should know the differences.

As I said - you should broaden your horizons - not everyone uses the same rules as the UK

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But I never said that your bridge was a motorway - just that is was bigger than some...:goodnight

^^Great! a picture of a "road", you win, I give up!

So, what is the conclusion here then?
Without getting all sensitive TB. Which end is best, the tallest block or the A$$ end? :lol:

God bless Naz, wherever he is now. He did cause some sh** :)

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^^Great! a picture of a "road", you win, I give up!

It's not a 'road' - its a German motorway just south of Leipzig. :cheers1:

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Nice picture bizzy - what is it?

i see silverene and marina quays in that photo

Nice picture bizzy - what is it?

it's from the west end area toward tallest block !

^^^^

Given that the RTA have no money he seems pretty confident about his dates?

I heard today that more contractors are about to walk of site on the Tram system - the contractors at JBR walked weeks ago and now the ones building the elevated part along SZR are going to walk. Apparently they had arranged a meeting last week to discuss overdue payments with the RTA but the RTA never showed.

There are also contractors walking off certain bridge projects (probably the Al-Khail road) due to nonpayment.

It's a crying shame that they ever started on this Tram idea as the roads around the Marina were finished with nice landscaping - now we are condemned to living in an eyesore for who knows how long.:cry:

I read in the Gulf news on Sunday flying back from Dubai that the Japanese contractors had walked off the job because they hadn't been paid by the RTA. The RTA budget for this year has been increased but the big problem was due to the estimated cost of the project increasing by around 100% due to extra stops not originally in the plans and extra facilities/bridges that had to be constructed. This has pushed back the project completion to next year but the good news is that the Marina stop will be open mid April.

It's clear to all that Dubai PLC has been spending £3 for every £1 coming in and this is causing major payment issues to contractors. If the RTA are skint or have over spent, the tram situation, now they have dug up the road is a worry and is sure to be delayed.

This has pushed back the project completion to next year but the good news is that the Marina stop will be open mid April.

They hope it will be open mid April - that assumes that they find some contractors to finish it.

[QUOTE=RedWayne28thfloor;52366959] The RTA budget for this year has been increased but the big problem was due to the estimated cost of the project increasing by around 100% due to extra stops not originally in the plans and extra facilities/bridges that had to be constructed.

O no, not more bridges!!!

mm

23/February/2010

Dubai Marina , tram works

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23/February/2010

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Hi Guys

I admire Dubai Marina very much but i've been told most of the buildings are half empty how true is this.

Thanks in advance

^^Completely untrue, they are half full!!

^^Completely untrue, they are half full!!


:lol::cheers::lol:

They are both wrong. :lol:

It's 50/50.

Yea 50/50 but even thats touch and go!!!

24/February/2010

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No i was just responding to your concept of labeling all of the tallest block with the same brush.

Due to the design/density/layout of the tallest block i agree with you to some degree. Theres too much there.

I think as the area develops and matures we will see massive price variance within the same block, even within the same tower.
What i mean is that if you take a look at the tallest block you will see that some units will have arguably the best views in the Marina, even Dubai, and some will be 20 meters away from a neighbours balcony or bathroom window.

We all know that in Dubai great views command a premium. I think in an increasingly difficult market this will have a far greater significance than when all of the units in the TB were launched. OP means nothing anymore.

Completed properties with great views will command a premium. Units with poor/no views will be difficult to sell or rent due to the sheer numbers available in the TB.

My point is, in the TB i think it will be common to see 50% -100% difference in selling prices for property in next door towers. Down at the low rise end i think it will eventually even out to a smaller variable.

In the diagram below you can see i have coloured certain faces of buildings blue and orange. In my eyes blue represents sub standard and orange represents high standard. Take out the commercial buildings (hotels) and it doesnt leave you with many units which i would label as PRIME in the TB.

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The massive plots on the waterfront will have the biggest impact on the TB and East Marina for me.
I cant seriously see residential use being viable here and so my instinct tells me that it will be commercial space, low-mid rise, with facilities to benefit the area as a whole.

However this is Dubai, so it could just as easily be another mall or airport.


Hi All, a colleague of mine is moving to Dubai in Sept to start a new job and would ideally like to live in the Marina. Has ask for advice on the best place to buy and or rent. Will consider rent short term and buy long/med term, suggestions welcome. Will be staying in Dubai for circa 4/5 years?

^^ He can have my 2 bed Torch marina facing unit for 4/5 years, if he can wait a few more months. :D

Hi All, a colleague of mine is moving to Dubai in Sept to start a new job and would ideally like to live in the Marina. Has ask for advice on the best place to buy and or rent. Will consider rent short term and buy long/med term, suggestions welcome. Will be staying in Dubai for circa 4/5 years?

it depends what he wants. You have the JBR on the beach. There is a lot of choice on the marina from being near the metro to near the marina walks.and off course he has a choice of numberof bedrooms from one to penthouses.
He should go there and look around to judge for himself.He has made a good decision though. Marina will be THE place to live in .
I know a reliable agent who deals both in leasing and selling.
PM me if you need info
:cheers:

Forgive me for being off thread but the bloody fish tank in Dubai mall leaks a little and its made headlines on Sky News! :ohno:

That's nothing, Gordon Brown has been a little overbearing with his staff and that has dominated the news in the UK. Do we really want a namby pamby PM, no wonder Mugabe laughs at us.

Anyway back to possible views from BC, oops wrong thread:lol:

Forgive me for being off thread but the bloody fish tank in Dubai mall leaks a little and its made headlines on Sky News! :ohno:

You know whenever there is bad news about dubai it travels at the speed of light to get to me! :lol:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100225/twl-dubai-mall-evacuated-after-aquarium-3fd0ae9.html

Anyone fancy shark fin soup? :lol:

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Steve, - where was the first of your 2 pics taken from. This looks the view from a Torch so called "Marina View" (rather than "Marina Facing") mid tower 03, or 04 aspect, 2 bed around say 30 - 40th floor?

Just curious because I have one on that side.

^^ Was taken from Marriot hotel

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Hi Guys
hope you are all well. Im not a property investor and nor would I confess to having a great know how on Dubai property. I visit Dubai every year and i guess like many others here I've fallen inl ove with the place.
I recently got made redundant and with the payout I was given wanted to buy a property in Dubai. Many tell me im stupid and to stay well clear but in true know it all fashion Ive decided to follow my heart.

The problem I have is that a few of the agents I've spoken to seem to very very biased(obviously) and seem to me to be untrustworthy. I did start my quest to buy last year but gave up thinking it all seemed a bit complex.

Having looked into lots of developments I believe Dubai Marina is my favourite and first choice.

Reading this thread suggests to me that collectively you all have great knowledge and all seem to be nice people. I would realy appreciate your help if you guys could help answer a few questions for me.

If you were starting out agian and buying right now which development would you buy into on the Dubai Marina?

Other then Dubai Marina Where would you buy?

Is NOW a good time to buy or should i wait?

Do you know any good reputable agent who could help me find the right property?

How much should I realisticaly look to pay psf?

Which part of the Marina & what type of property is right to buy & why?

I would realy appreciate any help you guys could offer. I want a nice property for long term if it rents well that would be a massive bonus but im not looking for a property to sell quick Im more looking for quality which family & I can use every year.

Hi Guys
hope you are all well. Im not a property investor and nor would I confess to having a great know how on Dubai property. I visit Dubai every year and i guess like many others here I've fallen inl ove with the place.
I recently got made redundant and with the payout I was given wanted to buy a property in Dubai. Many tell me im stupid and to stay well clear but in true know it all fashion Ive decided to follow my heart.

The problem I have is that a few of the agents I've spoken to seem to very very biased(obviously) and seem to me to be untrustworthy. I did start my quest to buy last year but gave up thinking it all seemed a bit complex.

Having looked into lots of developments I believe Dubai Marina is my favourite and first choice.

Reading this thread suggests to me that collectively you all have great knowledge and all seem to be nice people. I would realy appreciate your help if you guys could help answer a few questions for me.

If you were starting out agian and buying right now which development would you buy into on the Dubai Marina?

If I was buying right now , it would have to be in Downtown Dubai district and not the Marina.

In the Marina , I would rely on Trident group properties , so bay side as an example or the following EMAAR projects in the following order - 1) The first six towers of the Marina 2) Marina Promenade 3) Park Island 4) Sahab 5) Majarah.

Other then Dubai Marina Where would you buy?

Downtown Dubai - The residences or old town.

Is NOW a good time to buy or should i wait?

Between now and next 12 mths.

Do you know any good reputable agent who could help me find the right property?

How much should I realisticaly look to pay psf?

700 - 900

Which part of the Marina & what type of property is right to buy & why?

2 bed - a 1 bed looks easy on the pocket but a 2 bed is good for the future and has a real rental potential. am assuming its just for yourself.

I would realy appreciate any help you guys could offer. I want a nice property for long term if it rents well that would be a massive bonus but im not looking for a property to sell quick Im more looking for quality which family & I can use every year.

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Hi Guys
hope you are all well. Im not a property investor and nor would I confess to having a great know how on Dubai property. I visit Dubai every year and i guess like many others here I've fallen inl ove with the place.
I recently got made redundant and with the payout I was given wanted to buy a property in Dubai. Many tell me im stupid and to stay well clear but in true know it all fashion Ive decided to follow my heart.

The problem I have is that a few of the agents I've spoken to seem to very very biased(obviously) and seem to me to be untrustworthy. I did start my quest to buy last year but gave up thinking it all seemed a bit complex.

Having looked into lots of developments I believe Dubai Marina is my favourite and first choice.

Reading this thread suggests to me that collectively you all have great knowledge and all seem to be nice people. I would realy appreciate your help if you guys could help answer a few questions for me.

If you were starting out agian and buying right now which development would you buy into on the Dubai Marina?

Other then Dubai Marina Where would you buy?

Is NOW a good time to buy or should i wait?

Do you know any good reputable agent who could help me find the right property?

How much should I realisticaly look to pay psf?

Which part of the Marina & what type of property is right to buy & why?

I would realy appreciate any help you guys could offer. I want a nice property for long term if it rents well that would be a massive bonus but im not looking for a property to sell quick Im more looking for quality which family & I can use every year.
@itsraining

try 'the jewels'. saw 2200sqft 2 bed for about 2,2m aed recently. pretty good value, i think.

or silverene. still under construction. handover end 2010. smallish apartments but good quality and top location. some 2beds going for about 1000 aed per sqft (ie,between 1.4 and 1.6m aed).

both developed by cayan, who havent really put a foot wrong yet in their dubai projects.

their other dubai marina projects include Dorra Bay, Residentia del Mar (both complete) and Infinity Tower (under construction - to finish end 2011)

^^I think their will still be some bargains coming in Silverene and Infinity as some may struggle to make installments with the low exchange rates. Selling may be their only option.

Jewels are a great buy for the future for the space they offer. The discerning renter looks for larger quality apartments today and more so in the future. Dorrabay is a cheaper Cayan alternative but still out specs just about everything else main stream in the marina and not much available on the market, enough said.

Could be some bargains coming in Trident Grand residence 1 beds at under original price. Zumurud also worth a watch for bargain hunters. Might get a 2 bed there for 1M.

I recently got made redundant and with the payout I was given wanted to buy a property in Dubai. Many tell me im stupid and to stay well clear

If you are not in for a long term, you should follow their advice. It can go either way so if you can’t afford loosing money, stay clear. There are many bargains in the UK and the rental market is great at present.




Having looked into lots of developments I believe Dubai Marina is my favourite and first choice.

im not looking for a property to sell quick Im more looking for quality which family & I can use every year.

Marina or JBR are your only choice to be honest due to water, beaches, amenities and how advance they are. I would not entertain anything else.



If you were starting out agian and buying right now which development would you buy into on the Dubai Marina?

Only in unique developments, especially now that you are spoiled for choice. I would look seriously at Infinity and Like TB said above, you should be able to pick up a bargain. Stay well clear of big developers as service charges will keep increasing and they will get away with it. Don’t buy without viewing.

Other then Dubai Marina Where would you buy?

For a family and as a holiday home, no where else except for JBR. I would not touch the Palm (Major quality issues coming soon and service charges).


Is NOW a good time to buy or should i wait?


If you find somewhere you like and decide to go for it, negotiate 10% to 20% off in this market to give yourself best chance.



Do you know any good reputable agent who could help me find the right property?

They are all scumbags, even the good ones in this current market and will not hesitate in stitching you up to survive, especially the ones on here pretending to be helpful and friendly. Protect yourself and do not trust anyone.


How much should I realisticaly look to pay psf?


You can get as low as 600AED/sqft to 900AED/sqft. Choose a good location and facilities and for a few AEDs, you can improve the quality.

Which part of the Marina & what type of property is right to buy & why?

The nearer to Marina Walk and the Walk, the better. Go for a small to medium height development with a good location and views. It’s obvious why. :cheers:

Great advice Mackie. :bow:

@itsraining. FYI.

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Always buy where you can see water!

Just had say something Mackie as I have not posted in months! Good to see you here. Hope you are well.

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If you want a good building which should retain its value, I suggest Infinity by Cayan.

There are 2 for sale with great views Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Steve's post shows more or less the view you'll get. Can't think of anywhere better for your family to sit on the balcony over the next few years.

Floor plans are on http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13&L%3E

3504 1 bed at 901 sq ft is on sale at 1,500,000 AED .
2603 2 bed at 2,151,688

Cayan are a good developer and were very fair about postponing payments when there was a major breach of the marina wall. 70% is paid, next 15% due in September, final 15% on completion. Architects are SOM who created the Burj Dubai or as Abu Dhabi likes it to be known Burj Khalifa.

Hereby endeth my sermon on the benefits of Infinity.

Always buy where you can see water!

Just had say something Mackie as I have not posted in months! Good to see you here. Hope you are well.

Hi Mate;

I have lost your Number and did not get a response to my last email a few months back. I hope you are well. Give us a call if you read this. All the best to you and the Family. Would be great to see you again soon, Are you in Dubai at Easter? Sorry had to post this here. :cheers:

And I would listen to King Kev (otherwise known as Al, the landlord) about water views. :cheers:

If you want a good building which should retain its value, I suggest Infinity by Cayan.

There are 2 for sale with great views Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Steve's post shows more or less the view you'll get. Can't think of anywhere better for your family to sit on the balcony over the next few years.

Floor plans are on http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13&L%3E

3504 1 bed at 901 sq ft is on sale at 1,500,000 AED .
2603 2 bed at 2,151,688

Cayan are a good developer and were very fair about postponing payments when there was a major breach of the marina wall. 70% is paid, next 15% due in September, final 15% on completion. Architects are SOM who created the Burj Dubai or as Abu Dhabi likes it to be known Burj Khalifa.

Hereby endeth my sermon on the benefits of Infinity.

Seems like silly prices in today's market. I imagine there is some premium due for a novel property, Cayan quality, position - but it wouldn't justify those prices - 1,665 psf for the 1 bedder!

Hi Mate;

I have lost your Number and did not get a response to my last email a few months back. I hope you are well. Give us a call if you read this. All the best to you and the Family. Would be great to see you again soon, Are you in Dubai at Easter? Sorry had to post this here. :cheers:

And I would listen to King Kev (otherwise known as Al, the landlord) about water views. :cheers:

Agree with that as well, there is a 2 bed for sale, in Marinascape Oceanic, 2902, two floors above me, (I think its on with group seven) best view's in the place, honestly, massive wow balcony, and on for 2.4 Million, if you can afford it, please only chose quality, and dont chase the cheap price, because that's what it will be, cheap.
Trident are a pain in the arse, but we are fighting them at the moment, but that doesn't detract from the location and building.
The Marina is the only place, its now buzzing around here, shops, restaurants, the walk, the community is getting bigger everyday, and more coming, in about 5 years it will be all done hopefully, and properly landscaped.

My choice for an agent Exclusive real estate, looked after me very well.

And that 2 bed Oceanic, will rent for about 160-180 per year.

Alan

Hi Mate;

I have lost your Number and did not get a response to my last email a few months back. I hope you are well. Give us a call if you read this. All the best to you and the Family. Would be great to see you again soon, Are you in Dubai at Easter? Sorry had to post this here. :cheers:

And I would listen to King Kev (otherwise known as Al, the landlord) about water views. :cheers:

I have emailed you and will do later in the week, let these get on with their skyscraping! What's your bid on a 2 bed marina facing now? Still got to be worth a few dhs. more than we paid?????

Hi Guys
hope you are all well. Im not a property investor and nor would I confess to having a great know how on Dubai property. I visit Dubai every year and i guess like many others here I've fallen inl ove with the place.
I recently got made redundant and with the payout I was given wanted to buy a property in Dubai. Many tell me im stupid and to stay well clear but in true know it all fashion Ive decided to follow my heart.

The problem I have is that a few of the agents I've spoken to seem to very very biased(obviously) and seem to me to be untrustworthy. I did start my quest to buy last year but gave up thinking it all seemed a bit complex.

Having looked into lots of developments I believe Dubai Marina is my favourite and first choice.

Reading this thread suggests to me that collectively you all have great knowledge and all seem to be nice people. I would realy appreciate your help if you guys could help answer a few questions for me.

If you were starting out agian and buying right now which development would you buy into on the Dubai Marina?

Other then Dubai Marina Where would you buy?

Is NOW a good time to buy or should i wait?

Do you know any good reputable agent who could help me find the right property?

How much should I realisticaly look to pay psf?

Which part of the Marina & what type of property is right to buy & why?

I would realy appreciate any help you guys could offer. I want a nice property for long term if it rents well that would be a massive bonus but im not looking for a property to sell quick Im more looking for quality which family & I can use every year.

If I were you, I would buy talks's 2 bed Torch apartment for AED700 psf. Thats well below your budget of 1.2m and will give you a great cashflow investment and/or holiday home. Downside is that you have to wait around 1 year before you can move in but its a safe bet that it will be completed and at that price you can't go wrong.

02/March/2010

Dubai Marina

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The Address Dubai Marina opens doors to a vibrant lounge experience with Shades

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Guys
thank you so much for all the information you guys have given. This is all very helpfull and confirms some of what I already knew and points me in the right direction. Im thinking of taking a trip out to Dubai, spending some more time walking around the marina getting a feel for the place & viewing some of the towers & hopefully purchasing once im there.

If anyone has any other specifics or advice they could offer I would be most gratefull.

Im hoping you guys dont mind me posting on here asking questions now and again. Its seems quite clear your all a knowledgble bunch however im hoping you can spare a thought for them like me who are not property investors but just in pursuit of a holiday home. Ive already made a big mistake with select over in RAK and dont want to repeat that again.

Thanks

Guys
thank you so much for all the information you guys have given. This is all very helpfull and confirms some of what I already knew and points me in the right direction. Im thinking of taking a trip out to Dubai, spending some more time walking around the marina getting a feel for the place & viewing some of the towers & hopefully purchasing once im there.

If anyone has any other specifics or advice they could offer I would be most gratefull.

Im hoping you guys dont mind me posting on here asking questions now and again. Its seems quite clear your all a knowledgble bunch however im hoping you can spare a thought for them like me who are not property investors but just in pursuit of a holiday home. Ive already made a big mistake with select over in RAK and dont want to repeat that again.

Thanks

Did you buy in Pacific in RAK?

I'm sure you will find the marina and the surrounding area which includes some fantastic hotels (Le royal meridien, Habtoor grand, Mina Seyahi) and the very nice Jumeirah walk great places to visit.

Those are angry looking skys, hope everyone was taking cover and avoiding the lightning. Cranes look empty so maybe.

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Way too early to judge on the quality of that development or its finishing. It has much to go. For starters, those who originally bought there in 2005 were promised that project would to be delivered by Dec 2008! They can't be any farther off their track so far as project time line is concerned. Yes we know what happened there but who knows what will happen next? Too early to say.

If you want a good building which should retain its value, I suggest Infinity by Cayan.

There are 2 for sale with great views Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Steve's post shows more or less the view you'll get. Can't think of anywhere better for your family to sit on the balcony over the next few years.

Floor plans are on http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13&L%3E

3504 1 bed at 901 sq ft is on sale at 1,500,000 AED .
2603 2 bed at 2,151,688

Cayan are a good developer and were very fair about postponing payments when there was a major breach of the marina wall. 70% is paid, next 15% due in September, final 15% on completion. Architects are SOM who created the Burj Dubai or as Abu Dhabi likes it to be known Burj Khalifa.

Hereby endeth my sermon on the benefits of Infinity.

Dear Marinascapa Community,

We are anticipating for Trident to hand over our new property in TGR and have heard a lot about the unpleasant stories during Marinascape handover. Unfortunately it seems that Trident have not changed their way. Just wondering if you have any advice that can be useful during handover. What are the do's and don'ts if you can please share.

Would really appreciate it.

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Way too early to judge on the quality of that development or its finishing. It has much to go. For starters, those who originally bought there in 2005 were promised that project would to be delivered by Dec 2008! They can't be any farther off their track so far as project time line is concerned. Yes we know what happened there but who knows what will happen next? Too early to say.

Wrong in many fronts! Want to see the finishings just phone Cayan and make an appointment to view the show flat.

You seem a bit bitter about a developer that can legitimise it's delay as opposed to other developers that just bullshit every day. Cayans other developments in the marina have not been any more than 1 year late. That's a pretty good and reliable track record. How does your chosen developer compare?

[Hey,

Here is my opinion for what its worth:

Whilst there is no doubt that Infinity is a good investment and that when finished it will be a iconic building, when looking for a sound shorter term investment I would recomment Cayan's other current development; Silverene.

This has everything, and particularly location. Being on the East side of the marina will not suffer from any of the traffic/access problems that the ocean side does.

When you look at the potentail for rental revenue, location is always number one. Quaility/views come a close second, followed by nearby construction in the long term.

Avant for example by Trident is currently the most sought after rental unit in the marina. Silverene will in my opinion take over from this when ready in October of this year.

Just a thought!!!!

:)

QUOTE=lovedubai;52707311]If you want a good building which should retain its value, I suggest Infinity by Cayan.

There are 2 for sale with great views Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Steve's post shows more or less the view you'll get. Can't think of anywhere better for your family to sit on the balcony over the next few years.

Floor plans are on http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13&L%3E

3504 1 bed at 901 sq ft is on sale at 1,500,000 AED .
2603 2 bed at 2,151,688

Cayan are a good developer and were very fair about postponing payments when there was a major breach of the marina wall. 70% is paid, next 15% due in September, final 15% on completion. Architects are SOM who created the Burj Dubai or as Abu Dhabi likes it to be known Burj Khalifa.

Hereby endeth my sermon on the benefits of Infinity.[/QUOTE]

04/March/2010

Dubai Marina

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Projects on course to give Dubai Marina a brand new vista
Construction continues at a brisk pace with many developers keen to finish their projects.

Tuesday, March 02, 2010

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A night skyline of Dubai Marina – completed and under-construction buildings. (IMRE SOLT)

Construction is still continuing at the Dubai Marina in the heart of what has become known as new Dubai. "Twenty-three projects are under construction and 11 projects have topped out. Around four to five projects are nearing the handover stages," according to an investor following the progress.

The development is located on Interchange 5 between Jebel Ali Port and the area which hosts Dubai Internet City and Dubai Media City. The project is developed by Emaar Properties while HOK Canada did the master planning.

The first phase of Dubai Marina covers 25 acres, which includes six freehold waterfront apartment towers (Dubai Marina Towers). Phase II of Dubai Marina will consist of 200 high-rise buildings including skyscrapers such as the Pentominium and Ocean Heights. All pictures are courtesy Imre Solt.:)

http://www.business24-7.ae/companies-markets/projects-on-course-to-give-dubai-marina-a-brand-new-vista-2010-03-02-1.63354

^^ Gah you beat me to posting this. :tongue2:

Great news! The final result will be outstanding! :cheers:

:)Projects on course to give Dubai Marina a brand new vista

Construction is still continuing at the Dubai Marina in the heart of what has become known as new Dubai. "Twenty-three projects are under construction and 11 projects have topped out. Around four to five projects are nearing the handover stages," according to an investor following the progress.

The development is located on Interchange 5 between Jebel Ali Port and the area which hosts Dubai Internet City and Dubai Media City. The project is developed by Emaar Properties while HOK Canada did the master planning.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=50848617&postcount=5261



:)

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:)

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:)

Thats true, I used your post when I counted the projects:)

Dubai Marina February 2010
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^^Wow!!

Is this the Dubai promenade and doughnut hotel plot that they have turned into an air strip?

Dubai Marina Airport :)

Next week it will be a big car park because of the Boat Show:)

There is always something going on in The Marina! Or in Dubai. Cannot wait for the Boat Show.
I visited Yas Island last week for the Abu Dhabi Yacht Show :nuts::nuts::nuts:

Gee I love this place. :yes:

Just saw 3 Stingrays in the Marina, they got as far as the first bridge, before choking and turning back..................No wise cracks please about, Aqua Marina, and whoever was in it.

A.

Just saw 3 Stingrays in the Marina,

Nah - they were Spinney's bags :runaway:

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Nah.........there was no printing on them.

This morning the Fog was down to a couple of feet only, I couldn't see up the balcony...........Lucky I had those bloody strobes lights on Avant Tower, to guide me in.

A

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1082543&page=2

Fantastic photos Sergio

Sheikh Mo is visiting us again today..........anchored in the bay

A

Sheikh Mo is visiting us again today..........anchored in the bay

A

Bet it takes up most of the bay!

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:applause:

Amazing Pics! :cheers:

thnx lovedubai and fwiw! ;) dubai is big and cool city! :cheers:

11/March/2010

Dubai Marina

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Sorry about the wrong way round picture, it was the right way up in Picassa.................

This has got to be the weirdest weather I have encountered, one minute you are above the clouds, next minute you cant see in front of your face, and next minute is above you, God bless Dubai.

Alan

Sorry about the wrong way round picture, it was the right way up in Picassa.................

This has got to be the weirdest weather I have encountered, one minute you are above the clouds, next minute you cant see in front of your face, and next minute is above you, God bless Dubai.

Alan[/QUOTE]

Never seen anything like that! It's like a scene from a horror movie "The Fog"

Posted to Gulf new today............


Parks, Parks, Parks, yes we need parks, as people we need to breath, we need to walk our dogs, we need to walk our children, and we need green open spaces for us to fill our lungs, Dubai has enough buildings now, and as people fill them up you got to have recreational place’s for them to go, so give us more parks please, especially in Dubai Marina, especially that huge plot in front of the torch tower, please help and get this turned into a park, there are now so many young married couples with small children enjoying life in the Emirates, and they need a place to play. Parks and landscaping also bring the birds and other wildlife that we need In the Marina, I saw some stingrays in the water and birds are making there home here, here’s the challenge for the people at Municipality, as more and more humans fill this place up, and with more and more Supertalls coming on stream, please, please, make Dubai a green and pleasant land.

Al.

yes,we need more green in Marina area.There is a space between Timeplace and Bayside Residence :lol:

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Yes, it is sad to see how children play in parking lots, there should be play grounds and green areas in every community including International City and Dubai Marina just to mention a few.

12/March/2010

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Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed's Yacht

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He better sells that useless yacht pay off some debts...

He better sells that useless yacht pay off some debts...

No chance of that happening - and he has just bought a new 747 to transport his horses!

I wonder how long though before we get a name change on the boat....... :runaway:

Really? For his horses? The guy needs definitely some medical help.

13/March/2010

Dubai Marina , not too clear weather , humidity increasing

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Have they recommenced works on the tram system yet? They left a real mess on the roads when I was last there.

No, they also stopped work on the part along Sk Zayed Road.

RTA cannot pay. Mafi flus.

No, they also stopped work on the part along Sk Zayed Road.



Its still ongoing - as I look out of the window now they are unloading more precast bridge sections.

Have they recommenced works on the tram system yet? They left a real mess on the roads when I was last there.

CBP work did stop for a number of months due to contractors not being paid. The RTA has an increased budget this year and work is just about to re-start as it is on the Metro which also stopped.

First 'accurate' real estate index for Dubai shows property prices increased 0.7% in the final quarter of 2009
THURSDAY, 04 FEBRUARY 2010 09:53 RAY CLANCY DUBAI - DUBAI PROPERTY NEWS



Dubai property index shows real score

Dubai property prices rose 0.7% in the final quarter of 2009, compared to the previous quarter, according to new research.

The figures from the new Sales Price Index for Dubai (SPID), which has been launched by REIDIN.com in partnership with the Real Estate Regulatory Agency and Dubai Land Department, is regarded as the emirate's first accurate property index that will be a benchmark for the industry.

Until now data has been hit and miss but this new index is aimed at providing the market with a series of indices and data sets that can help improve transparency across the market and help real estate professionals benchmark and analyse residential price trends.

According to the latest information, the price of villas rose by 2.6% during the fourth quarter but overall prices are down 19.7% in 2009 compared to the fourth quarter of 2008.

Some of the 10 main districts covered by the index included Palm Jumeirah, where prices showed an increase of 2 % quarter on quarter. However, the quarterly figures for both Emirates Hills and Jumeirah Lake Towers fell by 19% during the same period, the report shows.

'Ensuring the accuracy of market data and relevance to local market conditions is our top priority, which has prompted us to appoint an advisory committee, comprised of academicians and industry professionals from different emerging economies to monitor the quality of the indices,' explained Ahmet Kayhan, chief executive of REIDIN.com.

'Furthermore, we have established a Property Indices Oversight Committee to be responsible for reviewing and recommending changes in index policies and procedures, required data elements, qualifying properties, monthly index production review and taking of any other actions deemed necessary to assure index statistical integrity,' he added.

Meanwhile one of the UAE's most respected businessmen says that stabilisation and slow growth is the best prospect for Dubai's real estate sector. Habtoor Group founder Khalaf Al Habtoor, said he would like to see price increases of around 10% in the next three years.

'We don't want prices to rise, we want it to stabilise to give appetite to the people of this country, to the people visiting this country to buy and rent,' he said.




Dubai Property News


Compensation victory for UK investor in Dubai for overdue real estate project
A property investor has been awarded a refund for an office unit he bought in a project that is 20 ...

DM & JLT "from jumeriah village "

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DM & JLT "from jumeriah village "

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Very good picture. Kindda puts things in perspective. One desert to rule them all...

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Yes, it is sad to see how children play in parking lots, there should be play grounds and green areas in every community including International City and Dubai Marina just to mention a few.

Who said Botanica? :cheers:

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CBP work did stop for a number of months due to contractors not being paid. The RTA has an increased budget this year and work is just about to re-start as it is on the Metro which also stopped.

Thats great news as they left the place like a shit tip for months.

Crazies out again, a helicopter flew down the marina, at about 50 feet just skimming the bridges.

Two men back working at Marina Metro Stop.

And there can only be one name for that yacht...........

Thanks Khalifa

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Nice pictures!

Crazies out again, a helicopter flew down the marina, at about 50 feet just skimming the bridges.

Two men back working at Marina Metro Stop.

And there can only be one name for that yacht...........

Thanks Khalifa
:rofl: You can't really get bored in the Marina!

That's a serious breach of aviation law. You can't fly within 500 feet of the ground or any buildings in residential districts. If there is a concentration of more than 1000 people then the rules are even stricter.

Well, what law is that, we saw the nutter in the Balloons, now this, all I heard was this very loud engine noise, when I looked out of the window, he was below me, and I'm on 27th floor, and I have Pilot friend who saw it, and he's on the 13th, I reckon he was about at the 8th floor, straight down the Marina, and turned left at Irish Blue, and went along the beach, could have been the Boss man.

A

Temporary airport at the Dubai Promenade site , I saw yesterday a small plane just landed there :)

What another one, is that as well as the Doughnut landing strip.

A

Well, what law is that, we saw the nutter in the Balloons, now this, all I heard was this very loud engine noise, when I looked out of the window, he was below me, and I'm on 27th floor, and I have Pilot friend who saw it, and he's on the 13th, I reckon he was about at the 8th floor, straight down the Marina, and turned left at Irish Blue, and went along the beach, could have been the Boss man.

A

Joint aviation rules that pretty much the entire world has signed up to. Problem is enforcing them in a country like UAE.

I go to Ibrox stadium every other saturday and the local police helicopter constantly flies just overhead of 55,000 fans. Rules state minimum clearance of 1000m from packed stadiums for obvious reasons. Despite being inside Glasgow airport control zone they break the rules and get away with it.

It is possible that the airstrip at the promenade site has resulted in a local relaxation which is being abused. It is worth noting also that small aircraft can turn their transponders to mode 0 (I think) which gives position only and turns off height. This would mean that local or regional ATC would not know the height of any aircraft flying in this transponder mode. Pilot just needs to resume a legal altitude then do an enroute position and height report.

BTW, I let my pilots license lapse 3 years ago so my knowledge of current rules may be a bit out dated or rusty:)

There was new trick this afternoon, that light aircraft came into land from the Marina end, as opposed to approaching from the sea, it might be a which way the wind was blowing, but I don think these guys care at all, he also had a helicopter in close proximity.
Another thing is the Marina has no emergency steps cut into it, I realised that when that small boat caught alight, and the fire truck went over every bridge trying to get down to the quayside, it keystone cops all over again, and I have never seen a lifebouy on the railings anywhere. (waiting for CBP to answer) on a serious note.

I unfortunately, witnessed the death of the two power boat racers, not so long ago from my window, lets hope I dont witness anything else.

Al.

Perhaps someone can inform my nieghbour Mike Ashleigh the knob, about these aviation laws. He lands his poxey helicopter in his garden less than 200 yards from my fence a 2am drunk, full of silly giggling tarts often after Newcastle have played. Sick of picking me washing up in the morning.......

alright, I will have a word when I see him in Lodge...............

this is the line I am talklng about "and I have never seen a lifebouy on the railings anywhere".

A

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In my quest for a park, on the plot in front of the torch, anyone got a photo of it, that I can send in with my letter to GN.

Oops I will post this on the Torch thread to, and can I use it.

Al.

First 'accurate' real estate index for Dubai shows property prices increased 0.7% in the final quarter of 2009
THURSDAY, 04 FEBRUARY 2010 09:53 RAY CLANCY DUBAI - DUBAI PROPERTY NEWS



Dubai property index shows real score

Dubai property prices rose 0.7% in the final quarter of 2009, compared to the previous quarter, according to new research.
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Don't believ everything you read...:)