Welcome to the weekly SkyscraperCity Photo Contest. This is where you can poll your images for others to judge.

R U L E S:
* In order for others to judge your images, use the poll option when creating a photopoll. You must select 10 options: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. If you mess up a poll, create a new one and ask a moderator to delete the old one. Polls that are not made according to the this set-up will be deleted.

* You can create a maximum of two photopolls a week.
* Only one image per photopoll
* Unfair behaviour will be dealt with.
* Yes, you also have one vote, do with it whatever you please.
* In order to be nominated, an image must be voted on at least 15 votes.
* Photo's must be taken by you.
* anyone trying to promote their pic in a 'vote-for-me-in-upc' thread into their local section will find that thread deleted and the entree too.
* panorama images are allowed
* These forums are about skyscrapers, cities and urban issues. If you want to poll images of your partying mates do so in the Skybar (http://skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=15).
* Feel free to tell us something about the image and the camera with which you shot the photo
* If you have an image, but you don't know how to host it, please contact one of the moderators

Info on uploading images can be found here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=339254)
Info on adding a poll here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=poll&match=all&titlesonly=0)

If your photo looses can you enter the same picture again another week?

^ no

^ & @ Jan: That rule should be included too, like no same entry within 6 months or so.

Scandinavia2005 starts to annoy me, always downvoting without taking part of the contest.

I have a proposed idea I would like to submit for the weekly photo poll contest here at Skyscraper City.

This idea should eliminate both the downvotes as well as votes for the person and not the photo:

When a member submits a photo poll, their name does not appear and simply the photo itself appears.

Also, signatures are instantly hidden, so no one would know who submitted the photos.

To prevent folks from submitting more than 2 entries in 1 week, only the administration staff would have access to the contributor.

Now, with this idea - every vote should be honest and no one would have the opportunity of voting for their "friends".

Interesting idea you got there fish, but I think it might be a bit hard to implement.

Shouldn't work I guess. Everybody recognize El Greco's work, for example.

I have a proposed idea I would like to submit for the weekly photo poll contest here at Skyscraper City.

This idea should eliminate both the downvotes as well as votes for the person and not the photo:

When a member submits a photo poll, their name does not appear and simply the photo itself appears.

Also, signatures are instantly hidden, so no one would know who submitted the photos.

To prevent folks from submitting more than 2 entries in 1 week, only the administration staff would have access to the contributor.

Now, with this idea - every vote should be honest and no one would have the opportunity of voting for their "friends".
They do it that way in contests at SSP, where you only get to vote for one picture, but that means someone has to change the photo url link, because it can reveal the source, unless everyone uses Imageshack, so it's a lot of work for whoever is in charge. Besides, some people like to use a signature on their work.

^^ That's why I publicly posted my idea.

Let us provide Jan the ideas and see what happens.

Why hasnt last weeks contest ended yet? My pics from last saturday are still in the contest with pics from this Saturday. Whats going on?

^^ its back on track now ;)

Sorry about the delay, I was out of town.

Oh I see, its all good :)

Jan, what do you think of my proposed idea?

I think it's a really good idea fish - but as people have said, it would be hard to impliment, especially as people would want to have their photos 'revealed' after each competition was over. I think it might be better to try and tackle 'down voters' directly. Set up a system where people can refer someone if they believe they've been treated unfairly. If that person gets referred a certain number of times by different people within a set period, they get a warning, then are banned.

I also like the idea that you can't vote unless you've posted a photo yourself (perhaps not in every contest as some people can't keep up with the weekly pace) but you should submit at least one photo every month or something to be allowed to vote. That way it ensures that it's voting by peers and should help prevent down voting.

I also like the idea that you can't vote unless you've posted a photo yourself (perhaps not in every contest as some people can't keep up with the weekly pace) but you should submit at least one photo every month or something to be allowed to vote. That way it ensures that it's voting by peers and should help prevent down voting.

Yeah, i like that idea - a lot of the time you get people acting as if they are god's gift to photography.....but they never enter a pic themselves.

Again though, it will probably be difficult to implement and police.

Yeah, i like that idea - a lot of the time you get people acting as if they are god's gift to photography.....but they never enter a pic themselves.

Again though, it will probably be difficult to implement and police.

I don't think you'd have to police it most of the time - you could just set it as a guideline, and then if people start downrating who never post pictures themselves it can be used as a means of kicking them out. I don't think most people have problems with other people rating their photos, even if they don't post pictures regularly, as long as their voting is fair and consistent. It's when people start making mallicious ratings that it becomes an issue.

when does each week starts?

if i post my pic on saturday and it cound't get 15votes, can i post it again next week on sunday/monday?

I know it's all my fault but can it be set that all new thread in this UPC forum automatically checked the "Post a Poll" box and "Number of poll options:" set to 10?

I know it's all my fault but can it be set that all new thread in this UPC forum automatically checked the "Post a Poll" box and "Number of poll options:" set to 10?

That would make life easier, but I'm not sure if it's possible... mods?

^ that would be great, i've screwed up twice my first time and I'm pretty sure i'll screw up again next time:D, but i guess if this was possible it would have been done already, no?

I think it's a really good idea fish - but as people have said, it would be hard to impliment, especially as people would want to have their photos 'revealed' after each competition was over. I think it might be better to try and tackle 'down voters' directly. Set up a system where people can refer someone if they believe they've been treated unfairly. If that person gets referred a certain number of times by different people within a set period, they get a warning, then are banned.

I also like the idea that you can't vote unless you've posted a photo yourself (perhaps not in every contest as some people can't keep up with the weekly pace) but you should submit at least one photo every month or something to be allowed to vote. That way it ensures that it's voting by peers and should help prevent down voting.

I like this idea very much, i was wondering, what about a rule that each person who submits a photo must also vote for each person?

I wanted to ask, is there an unwritten rule to not vote for ones own photo?

I wanted to ask, is there an unwritten rule to not vote for ones own photo?

You are given one vote - you may use it as you wish.

Question: why isn't there a classification each week which shows the result of the votes for all the entries of the week, as that was done before?

maybe fish can cease is 1/10 voting without explanation and grow up?

or perhaps he can enter some photos?

^^ he did not vote 1
He posted 1

maybe fish can cease is 1/10 voting without explanation and grow up?
I did not vote 1/10 - so grow up and quit complaining about something that never happened.

You would be surprised how many downvoters vote 1/10 and never post anything.
or perhaps he can enter some photos?

I used to be very active with the photo-polls.

The reason I am not active right now is because I have just upgraded from Windows to the Mac and have to learn many new things such as Final Cut and PhotoShop CS3 (which is where my skills as a photographer will grow).

I will be returning to a regular contribution to the Photo Polls here - for now, I am learning from the best and for those who see me voting 9/10, 10/10 (those are the contributors I am learning from). :okay:

plasticboy is downvoting everyone's entries w/o giving any reason for these votes. What a nice guy.

What a nice guy.

Thanks so very very much! I’m such a straight shooter that at times I can be obnoxious! But since you were kind enough to mention me in this thread, I'll see if I can substantially re-evaluate my views and vote on a scale from 0 to 6 points. :hug:

This is my first contest.
And, I don 't now wich are the requeriments to be nominate for de final.
¿More 10?, ¿more votes? ¿more points? ¿Average?
Sorry, for my english. Is very, very pour.

We need some sort of bias regulation - the two Argentinean entries this week, whilst not bad, were most certainly not 'finalists' - and thanks to friends voting with 10s and 9s, one of them made it into the final.

you know fish, I can't wait. :)

I'm sure I'm not the only one...waiting.

:)

you know fish, I can't wait. :)

I'm sure I'm not the only one...waiting.

:)

You know, that's harrassment for voting the truth.

I do not vote for "friends" and all you do is falsely accuse.

You are the reason I don't participate anymore.

I used to post photos in the contest - but was railroaded out.

Now I feel disenfranchised by the system and have decided that voting is a complete waste of time when having a "winner" = meaningless.

So once again, BuffCity, you win. :ohno:

I'm out of participating for no fewer than a few months - a vacation from you.

Peace, Out!

just vote for my photos. k? :banana:

just vote for my photos. k? :banana:
I will return in no less than a few months - most likely next season - that's right, I'm taking the rest of summer off.

I need to refresh myself and have decided that when I return, I will not vote for anyone unless I am actually participating - then perhaps I may earn back some respect.

So, expect my full participation in a few months - no matter what the vote, if I can dish it out, I can take it.

Oh and one more thing...

...Chicagophotoshop, you are one of the very best photographers in here, so please keep the pace going - I can certainly learn allot from you!

I will return in no less than a few months - most likely next season - that's right, I'm taking the rest of summer off.

I need to refresh myself and have decided that when I return, I will not vote for anyone unless I am actually participating - then perhaps I may earn back some respect.

So, expect my full participation in a few months - no matter what the vote, if I can dish it out, I can take it.

Oh and one more thing...

...Chicagophotoshop, you are one of the very best photographers in here, so please keep the pace going - I can certainly learn allot from you!

thanks fish. I really appreciate that. but you shouldnt let these people get to you. have confidence in your work, post your stuff, ask questions, get better. this is just a silly forum. dont worry too much about how people vote, you could end up learning alot.

Is it OK if I ask voters to poll in the UK photo final? There aren't that many voting, which is a shame. I must stress that I am not in the final and I am not encouraging you to vote for anyone. Thanks:cheers:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=508057

Question: Does the picturs we post have to be urban?

^^ supposedly

^ Yeah, there used to be an UUPC (UnUrban Photo Contest). But it was removed sadly.

Question: why isn't there a classification each week which shows the result of the votes for all the entries of the week, as that was done before?

Yeah, I would like that too. :)

^^
Nice, good job :okay:

Edit :sleepy:

What day of the week should we enter our photos if we want maximum exposure?

^ Saturday :)

^ Thanks! :)

Could we please see the link for the 2007 photographer rankings?

I see its all good!
Maternity Clothes (http://www.teragiga.com/) | Magnetic Bracelets (http://magneticbracelets-1.blogspot.com/) | Student Loan (http://www.terabera.com/student-loan/)
Plastic Surgeon (http://www.teragiga.com/plasticsurgeon/) | Designer Handbag (http://designer-handbag1.blogspot.com/) | Cosmetic (http://www.terabex.com/cosmetic/)

Down voters are really starting to bug me. I'm not talking about the usual suspects who vote 6's and 7's everytime. I'm talking about the 5's and below with no response or reason.

All the photographers on this site work hard to go out and get good shots and we share them here to get good feedback, both positive and negative.

I wish all the down voters would grow up and just stay the hell out of this section.

/end rant. thank you. :)

I dont know how you work out the average, but according to my calculations
my photo "Walk" should be in the 5th place getting into the final with 8.78 this week

^ Votes below 7 are all counted as sevens. ;)

Okay, i do't get it, i have ONLY ONE VOTE right?? That means that i can only vote for one Urban Photo Contest right? Because I want to participate by posting my own photo next Saturday.

^ One vote per photo poll.

^ Votes below 7 are all counted as sevens. ;)
Wasn't it: all votes below 6 are counted as 6 sixes?
:?

^ Saturday :)
Only Saturdays?

^ If you post your shot on saturday more people of the SSC population will see it.

^^
If you submit it on Saturday (noon - afternoon GMT) instead of Friday for example, the voting will be longer of course.

:O

is there a way to ban ames from the photo contest? all he does is vote 1, its not funny and he is just a troll.

I think we should add a rule for the administrators that when a photo gets on the weekly vote they must add a few more details, most important - city name, i know many of us here can recognize a city by a brief look of the pavement in any movie or anything, but sometimes, well, to admit, you just don't remember what city it is, lets leave the city guessing to its forum.

And - it will be nice for photographers to add a few details on the camera and exposure and stuff like that may interest lots of viewers..

Its just seem to blank every week's vote...

wow its been changed to 2 photopolls a week per person now ... noiceee

^ It has always been like that ;)

nah im sure i clearly remember it said only one a week per person ...

then agian im prob wrong somehow ..

what happened to the link that shows current photo voting standings?

- edit

thanks

The next one posting that link will be banned.

^ sorry, I didnt know that was against the rules.

What happened this week, we're a day earlier? Usually voting starts on Saturdays, today is Friday as far as I know. Haha.

And just curious, what link aren't we allowed to post?! :P

^^ Jan did that once before...said he was too busy tomorrow. The link is the link to the current standing for the week. I always like to look to see where I stand, but I'm sure it was taken down because of down voters trying to influence the results.

^^ Jan did that once before...said he was too busy tomorrow. The link is the link to the current standing for the week. I always like to look to see where I stand, but I'm sure it was taken down because of down voters trying to influence the results.
Ah yes, I remember he used to post it in the voting thread.
And what about the photographer rankings. How come we don't have a thread for 2008. :dunno:

Do you have to vote for your own photo to see the results? Do most people vote for their own? I am asking this because I can never find the owner of the photo when you look at the breakdown of people who voted for particular values of a given photo.

^^ There are an option when you make the thread that allow you to see the voter, You have to select that before send the thread.

Ah I see. Thanks for your help.

Anybody know when the current set of able-to-vote-on photos will be closed for voting? This saturday or next?

Right on. :cool:

i see... its nice!

is there a link to photographer rankings for 08?

I'm new here. But by the looks of some of the voting, some people should not be allowed to vote. Why vote a 1 on anything?

:hi:

I'm wondering if i can post my 180 view picture again, it turned out that because it was the first time i had entered and was unsure of how the system works, i had created the thread about 6 hours early while the previous competition was still running. but the thread never reached 15 votes, so it meant it was inelegible anyway, but i know that one of the rules is that you can not enter the same picture twice, so i was wondering if i was allowed the exception to repost it next week because i had accidentily entered it a couple of hours early even though it was saturday afternoon for me?

:? :angel1: :cheer:

i take it from the silence there are no objections, and that i will post it this week :)

Jan, is there something missing this week? :D :poke:

^^ I was about to point that out as well :D

yeah, where is final thread of last week??? :ohno:

It's there now :banana:

There needs to be some sort of voting pre-screen before others are allowed to vote. One of the photos was voted a two by a person that voted 4's on a few others. This is getting out of hand.

There needs to be some sort of voting pre-screen before others are allowed to vote. One of the photos was voted a two by a person that voted 4's on a few others. This is getting out of hand.

To be fair, if the voting range is from 1-10, how would voting a 2 be (in your mind) illegal or unfair ??

Would you prefer the voting range change to 5-10?

If that were to happen, then voting would be completely unfair.

As for the downvoters, that issue has come up over the years.

Unfortunately, when you have a range from 1-10, you should expect some people to vote anywhere in that range.

Believe me I understand the need to have the full range. I'm not complaining for my own photo. I see the two on a photo in which at least 15 other votes are registered above a 7. Just doesn't add up.

Kind of frustrating for those taking the time to shoot and post.

Kind of frustrating for those taking the time to shoot and post.

I feel your pain!!

There are times when I feel so strong about a particular photo I voted for making it to the finals and my hopes shattered by a downvote.

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do to stop the downvoters. :ohno:

The sad part is that after I posted this last message, that same person gave me a one. Oh well.

The sad part is that after I posted this last message, that same person gave me a one. Oh well.

If this were a pay site, that type of unfair activity most likely would not happen.

Those of us who appreciate quality photos are here to express ourselves. :cheers2:

You always seem to very kindly, respectively and subjectively. I'm sure most people appreciate that.

I've only posted one pic here but I see the downvoting and it's just despicable that someone would downplay others' efforts :bash:

Most of the downvoters are newly registered users, with only a few posts. If we can filter them out somehow, I don't think we would have such a big problem.

Most of the downvoters are newly registered users, with only a few posts. If we can filter them out somehow, I don't think we would have such a big problem.

To be fair, the problem is that they will complain that we are being unfair.

Think about it, if the contest has a range of 1-10 and they vote under 6, how can we consider this contest fair http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

I used to post photos, but the downvoting was one of several reasons I had stopped.

When the economy improves and I can afford a nice (expensive) digital SLR, then I probably would return to posting in the weekly contest.

To be fair, the problem is that they will complain that we are being unfair.

Think about it, if the contest has a range of 1-10 and they vote under 6, how can we consider this contest fair http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

I used to post photos, but the downvoting was one of several reasons I had stopped.

When the economy improves and I can afford a nice (expensive) digital SLR, then I probably would return to posting in the weekly contest.
Sorry, but who the f*ck cares what some downvoting newbies think?
Voting in the UPC should be a privilege. People should earn to cast their votes. Perhaps a post number requirement before people can participate would be useful.

The problem is not the range. I wouldn't care if everybody thought my photo sucked so much it deserved a 4. That's fine. But when all the votes are 9s and 10s, and there is some newbie giving it a 4, then we have a problem. Don't get me wrong, I know well that people have different tastes and all that, but even with that in mind, the votes shouldn't diverge more than a few points. These people are clearly doing it for the wrong reasons, which should not be tolerated here.

Voting in the UPC should be a privilege. People should earn to cast their votes.

Agreed 100% with you! :cheers2:

Perhaps a post number requirement before people can participate would be useful.

I would like to add; in addition to have a newbie be an active participant for a minimum of 6 months.

when all the votes are 9s and 10s, and there is some newbie giving it a 4, then we have a problem.

Reading the rules is a requirement, however, how can the moderators enforce that basic rule ??

the votes shouldn't diverge more than a few points.

Interestingly, these people who vote so low never actually post photos for voting.

These people are clearly doing it for the wrong reasons, which should not be tolerated here.

For those of us who have been here voting over the years, it is frustrating - especially when we vote highly for a photo hoping it will make it to the finals -- then to have our hopes shattered by a single downvote.

But the question for Sergei and all moderators is, how shall you enforce the rules ??

Will you add a provision that clearly states that at the discretion of the moderators, anyone who clearly votes for fraudulent purposes shall have their account suspended or revoked ??

That's a post from the user "alvikoke"- banned from this forum.

Skyscrapercity.com era un foro que tenía muy bien considerado por su variedad de temas y constante intercambio de información con los distintos usuarios. Desde Octubre de 2005, llevo consultando el foro y participando en él, mucho menos de lo que a mí me gustaría.

Me apasiona y me dedico en parte a la fotografía. Por eso últimamente, me había animado a dar mi opinión, a base de puntuaciones de los trabajos que ustedes colgaban sin faltar en ningún momento el respeto a ningún usuario y sin infringir las normas de uso del foro. Tengan claro que mi delito es haber valorado los trabajos de acuerdo a mis principios.

Evidentemente desconocía las actitudes fascistas, por algunos aquí mostradas, exigiendo y manifestando lo que merecen. Creí que me encontraba en un foro en dónde se podía discutir sobre temas con libertad, intercambiar puntos de vista o exponer y escuchar distintas valoraciones. He visto que no.
Pues bien, a mí, que soy una persona libre, no me impongan sus criterios ya que voto lo que estimo oportuno. Restringir la libertad de las personas y su posterior aniquilación es propia de los regímenes fascistas o HITLERianos, que es lo que les gusta a algunos y ha ejecutado "Jan".

Parece mentira que en el siglo XXI se pretenda someter la libertad de los demás, se niegue la libertad de expresión y de publicación y se cometan abusos de poder. (Derechos recogidos en Carta Universal de los Derechos Humanos)

Si no les gusta lo que digo, no me lean pero respeten y no supriman mi ejercicio de la libertad.


Jan, si esto fuera un asesinato tu serías el autor del delito. Tú te has retratado por la forma de tratar el problema, ejecutando mi eliminación. Además, veo que no tienes educación puesto que no he recibido una respuesta al e-mail que te envié.

Dado que he comprobado que no se trata de un foro donde nos podamos expresar en libertad y por todo lo anteriormente mencionado no volveré a contribuir a su divulgación ni a su colaboración. Con esto, sólo pretendo que los demás usuarios conozcan la verdad de este foro.

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I am getting sick of people accusing others for downvoting. I was accused once for voting a 6. I think we can better bann those people voting 9's and 10's all the time. Only because there is a nice building on it, or the photo was taken from their home city. I have seen 9's en 10's for an average blurry tourist shot. I see this all the time.

A 10 for me is a perfect photo. A 9 is almost perfect, 8 is a good photo, 7 is a reasonable good photo and a 6 is an average photo. For me, most photo's posted in the contest are reasonable good photo's. Some are average or just below that, and some are nearly perfect. A few times I come across a perfect photo. I think this is a good foundation to consider my voting. Still I get complains all the time because the averege joey over here dont vote below a 8. I think that's UNFAIR for the people who are really creative and good in photography.

My point is that there are also unfair upvoters. But nobody is complaining about that because most posters love to see their photo reach the finals (I can understand). Also everybody has a different understanding of the voting system and ofcourse a different taste of what is beautiful or not. If you post in the contest you should be aware of that and dont complain if it is not according your book.

^^ In response to WSS's concerns, I understand that not everyone has the same reasons for their respective votes.

However, when your vote is drastically lower than the majority, you are seen as a downvoter and that has a negative impact on the photo from making it to the finals when the majority of members (who actually contribute as well) are all voting in the same way.

The voting matrix comprises a range from 1-10 and you are free to vote anywhere in that range.

Keep in mind that the more you vote far below everyone else, the more you stand out as a downvoter.

As for upvoting, that is less likely to happen when the competition is as fierce as it is.

For example, while I may vote 10/10 for several photos, that does not guarantee what I will vote in the finals - I compare the photos and base my vote on the photo itself and I could care less who actually snapped the shot.

But to be fair, you need to understand that by downvoting (several points below the majority), it can be seen as disrespectful to the good people who have worked very hard on their photos.

Let me ask you this, WSS:

If you were driving on a freeway and the majority of drivers were driving 85 MPH, would you drive the same speed or would you drive at 55 MPH ??

So as you can see, there IS a danger zone. I believe I speak for many when I suggest to drive WITH the flow of traffic and show some respect to those who have earned it. :)

^^ In response to WSS's concerns, I understand that not everyone has the same reasons for their respective votes.

However, when your vote is drastically lower than the majority, you are seen as a downvoter and that has a negative impact on the photo from making it to the finals when the majority of members (who actually contribute as well) are all voting in the same way.

The voting matrix comprises a range from 1-10 and you are free to vote anywhere in that range.

Keep in mind that the more you vote far below everyone else, the more you stand out as a downvoter.

As for upvoting, that is less likely to happen when the competition is as fierce as it is.

For example, while I may vote 10/10 for several photos, that does not guarantee what I will vote in the finals - I compare the photos and base my vote on the photo itself and I could care less who actually snapped the shot.

But to be fair, you need to understand that by downvoting (several points below the majority), it can be seen as disrespectful to the good people who have worked very hard on their photos.

Let me ask you this, WSS:

If you were driving on a freeway and the majority of drivers were driving 85 MPH, would you drive the same speed or would you drive at 55 MPH ??

So as you can see, there IS a danger zone. I believe I speak for many when I suggest to drive WITH the flow of traffic and show some respect to those who have earned it. :)

You exactly point out the problem here. You have to go with the majority, even if you not agree on it (or isn't legal in your freeway example). Thats just wrong. Also, I think a 6 and 7 is a reasonable good score for a photo. That has nothing to do with being disrespectful. So I am not going to vote a 9 or something, if i think its worth a 7. I want to spare that 9 or 10 for most outstanding photo's. I think that shows just that respect you re talking about. It shows they did a very good job, better than the other competetors. Thats more respectfull than giving everyone a 8.

But, I agree on downvoters who constantly give below a 4 without comments. Thats just not right. But I also think people do not have to complain so much if they get a 'lower than average grade'. The main purpose is not about winning, or being the best. It is just about showing others your best photo and let them criticize it...with words and votes. After all its all about taste, so you can get a variety of different opinions. The most important thing is you re satisfied with the picture yourself.

p.s. I believe there are much more upvoters, rather than downvoters. There are much more voters than participants. So fierce competion is a bad argument. Just watch closely, you will notice it after a while.

^^ Like I've said throughout this thread, many people are offended by the few who vote below the average.

I am not suggesting for you to vote differently, just letting you know how your votes are perceived around here.

Not that it is of anyone's business, but if you want to make friends around here, it helps to be nice.

I have an idea that might help you.

How about this (if you don't mind).

If you feel a photo is worth below the average score, why don't you post some words below your score to offer friendly help.

Example:

7/10
There is a slight tilt, the shadows are a bit dark and the building on the left is cropped on the top.

I hope my suggestions help and let me know if I can be of further assistance! :cheers2:

But, I agree on downvoters who constantly give below a 4 without comments. Thats just not right. I think this is what most photographers complain about. A 6 or 7 is not a downvote, IMO. If someones votes a 5 or lower, they should be required to give some sort of reason or feedback.

For the most part I think the contest is fair. The best photos usually do make it to the finals.

I think this is what most photographers complain about. A 6 or 7 is not a downvote, IMO. If someones votes a 5 or lower, they should be required to give some sort of reason or feedback.

The number is irrelevant.

When people get discouraged, they stop participating.

For example, there used to be a weekly Un-urban photo poll contest, but without the people participating, we won't have that feature.

I'd hate to see that happen with the weekly Urban Photo poll contest.

what do you mean the number is irrelevant? The numbers are what really matter (as far as getting to the finals). I don't see people stop participating. I know I never will, no matter what the votes are.

I am getting sick of people accusing others for downvoting. I was accused once for voting a 6. I think we can better bann those people voting 9's and 10's all the time. Only because there is a nice building on it, or the photo was taken from their home city. I have seen 9's en 10's for an average blurry tourist shot. I see this all the time.

A 10 for me is a perfect photo. A 9 is almost perfect, 8 is a good photo, 7 is a reasonable good photo and a 6 is an average photo. For me, most photo's posted in the contest are reasonable good photo's. Some are average or just below that, and some are nearly perfect. A few times I come across a perfect photo. I think this is a good foundation to consider my voting. Still I get complains all the time because the averege joey over here dont vote below a 8. I think that's UNFAIR for the people who are really creative and good in photography.

Agreed with you on those points. Some people throw around 10s like nothing, while I think only the best deserve them.

My beef with downvoters, as I've said before, is when one person's vote greatly differs from the majority. This week, one of my photos got a 2, while most of the votes were 8s or 9s. That doesn't make sense.
Another thing that bothers me is when people leave lower votes without any comment or criticism. If they believe the photo deserves a low vote, the least they should do is explain it. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like an honest vote.

But I'm so used to it by now, I don't let it bother me. And it's not like I'm winning a car or anything.

what do you mean the number is irrelevant? The numbers are what really matter (as far as getting to the finals). I don't see people stop participating. I know I never will, no matter what the votes are.

I used to participate every single week as well as many others who have all decided to quit.

Oh and yes, I could care less about the numbers - it's about respect to the people who are doing all of the work.

A simple vote takes a few seconds of your time, but it takes the photographer much more effort.

I send PM's to those who have exceptional photos, so my personal comments do not influence anyone's voting.

I used to participate every single week as well as many others who have all decided to quit.

Oh and yes, I could care less about the numbers - it's about respect to the people who are doing all of the work.

A simple vote takes a few seconds of your time, but it takes the photographer much more effort.

I send PM's to those who have exceptional photos, so my personal comments do not influence anyone's voting.you never sent me a PM! :lol:

Honestly, dont let the votes bother you. Like I said, if your photo is really good, it will make the finals. The majority of voters around here are honest, there are a few upvoters and downvoters but its fairly accurate gauge of your work. I hope you post some stuff again soon.

^^ Like I've said throughout this thread, many people are offended by the few who vote below the average.

I am not suggesting for you to vote differently, just letting you know how your votes are perceived around here.

Not that it is of anyone's business, but if you want to make friends around here, it helps to be nice.



I am NICE :) But I'm also fair and austere :nuts:

The problem is not my vote below average but the photograpers who are offended by it. Like I said, they shouldn't be offended. A six or seven is still a good score I think. Just like cbotnyse and sergei said: don't get irritated if someone vote a few points below average because it might not bring your photo to the finals.

I already stopped voting the 'bad' photo's in the contest for some months now, because it would make me a downvoter in the mind of some people. There is just a hugh gap between some good photographers in the contest and some newbies who just post a blurry photo made during vacation.....only posting it because there is a skyscraper in the background.

I agree with you that I should give some more comments. I will work on it :cheers:

I agree with you that I should give some more comments. I will work on it :cheers:

That's the key right there. In the UK UPC (where I post and vote more regularly) I stopped putting the score on the post and just leave comments on the photo. I also choose to have all my own polls as anonymous because I don't think it helps knowing who's giving what score. (I also agree that people tend to vote with 'the trend' - so posting all the scores beneath the photo makes it harder for people to give an objective rating because they're already influenced by what other people think it's worth). At the end of the day as a photographer I'd much rather recieve a 7/10 with a few lines explaining the score and perhaps offering some advice (something I always try to do if I think a photo can be easily improved) than a simple '9/10 Great shot!' which doesn't tell me much more than someone liked my photo.

Lower scores without explanations are bound to attract some criticism (it can be difficult not to take it personally, some people are better at detaching themselves from their work than others... but I'd say if you're likely to get really upset by the occasional low vote - don't put your photos in an internet forum poll!) - but an explanation is actually more valuable to a serious photographer than a high score. Just my opinion. :)

^^ I scroll down only enough to see the picture because I've found that after looking at the other scores, sometimes you feel influenced by them :S

^^You can actually tell that a lot of voters do exactly that. It's a trend I guess. I try not to ever scroll before the shot shows itself. I try to vote fairly and based on what I like about the photo. That's pretty much all you can do.

You always seem to vote fairly just as most others do. I think people appreciate that. I know I do.

That's the key right there. In the UK UPC (where I post and vote more regularly) I stopped putting the score on the post and just leave comments on the photo. I also choose to have all my own polls as anonymous because I don't think it helps knowing who's giving what score. (I also agree that people tend to vote with 'the trend' - so posting all the scores beneath the photo makes it harder for people to give an objective rating because they're already influenced by what other people think it's worth). At the end of the day as a photographer I'd much rather recieve a 7/10 with a few lines explaining the score and perhaps offering some advice (something I always try to do if I think a photo can be easily improved) than a simple '9/10 Great shot!' which doesn't tell me much more than someone liked my photo.

Lower scores without explanations are bound to attract some criticism (it can be difficult not to take it personally, some people are better at detaching themselves from their work than others... but I'd say if you're likely to get really upset by the occasional low vote - don't put your photos in an internet forum poll!) - but an explanation is actually more valuable to a serious photographer than a high score. Just my opinion. :)
truer words have never been spoken in the UPC!

I think you have given very fair and helpful feedback. I hope you stick around here more often. :okay:

I try to refrain from any comments when voting unless absolutely necessary (good or bad).

truer words have never been spoken in the UPC!

I think you have given very fair and helpful feedback. I hope you stick around here more often. :okay:

Cheers cbotnyse. I figure that, like me, most people who post photos up here aren't professionals and therefore appreciate feedback and want to learn to improve their photography - which is why an abstract score is only so helpful, whereas an explanation of what someone liked, didn't like or thinks could improve a shot can be extremely useful. That's certainly how it works on the UK UPC where we're all basically trying to help each other become better photographers. I know it's a bit harder on an international forum with langauge barriers, but even then a few helpful comments can go a long way.

I hope to stick around too. :cheers:

I try to refrain from any comments when voting unless absolutely necessary (good or bad).

Why's that fish? What circumstances would be absolutely necessary?

Why's that fish? What circumstances would be absolutely necessary?

I have previously answered that question in here (people are sensitive).

I noticed that there are times when people will post the same exact photo as previously entered.

While I am certain that there is no way to enforce the rules governing ownership, is this fair?

So, for example, two different people snap the same exact shot of a famous skyscraper or structure - then they both post it only several weeks apart.

If the photo were one or two years apart, that would be an honest difference, but only a few weeks apart and it makes me wonder if someone is cheating.

From this point forward, I am posting numbers without further comments - like it or not, that is the solution to avoiding silly debates.

I think it's fair enough to bring it up for discussion fish, especially if you feel there's foul play involved. For the record I didn't see the previous entry, so can't comment on how similar they are. Surely though the previous photo should still exist in the archives, and if there's genuine cause to question the ownership of a particular shot it should be possible to compare the two directly to establish if they are different.

If the photos aren't identical and there's no other reason to suspect that they were taken by the same person then the fairest thing is to judge each photo on it's own merits, as if it is coincidence then someone ends up getting a raw deal.

I still maintain that posting comments is generally more helpful than not (although I accept that in some circumstances that's not the case) - but I think if you're posting a particularly low score on a photo it's only fair to let the poster know why.

I still maintain that posting comments is generally more helpful than not (although I accept that in some circumstances that's not the case) - but I think if you're posting a particularly low score on a photo it's only fair to let the poster know why.

Again, I previously answered that question and I will not repeat myself.

Feel free to use the scroll bar to navigate and locate my statement - I am tired of re-explaining every little detail.

I simply feel that if people posting photos are exactly the same as previously entered a few weeks ago, then that sort of behavior should be brought to the attention of an active moderator for review.

I still maintain that posting comments is generally more helpful than not (although I accept that in some circumstances that's not the case) - but I think if you're posting a particularly low score on a photo it's only fair to let the poster know why.

Agreed.

I just wanted to let everyone know that I will no longer be posting photos on the UPC. The down-voting and lack of useful comments from the weak just make this a contest that is no longer fun to be a part of.

I would like to give a huge "THANK YOU" to all the wonderful people that voted on my actual photos as opposed to what else was in the photo or the title or worse yet, on popularity. All the good votes and helpful comments, however, made it all worthwhile.

Additionally, I will continue to vote on others' photos as I've done since I joined and I look forward to many more amazing photos from most of you.

Take it easy,
Hal

^^ Thanks for you weekly contributions, haldcottingham !!

I have always admired your photos.

I do notice the same pattern of downvotes across the board.

I used to participate years ago, but even though I was close to making it to the finals, I simply gave up because I realized I could not compete with my digital camera.

The best photographers (the ones who manage to produce eye popping photos) have the more expensive DSLR cameras with the expensive lens and I simply can't afford those.

Until the day arrives where I can afford an expensive DSLR, I will just admire those who do by continuing to vote fairly for their outstanding photos.

I used to participate years ago, but even though I was close to making it to the finals, I simply gave up because I realized I could not compete with my digital camera.

The best photographers (the ones who manage to produce eye popping photos) have the more expensive DSLR cameras with the expensive lens and I simply can't afford those.

Until the day arrives where I can afford an expensive DSLR, I will just admire those who do by continuing to vote fairly for their outstanding photos.

Please stop saying that. I take such comments as something quite offensive, because you're undermining the photographers and putting all credit to the cameras. If you have a good eye, you can do the same stuff with a cheap point-n-shoot. Some years ago, I was winning UPC with photos from my old crappy camera.

Please stop saying that. I take such comments as something quite offensive, because you're undermining the photographers and putting all credit to the cameras. If you have a good eye, you can do the same stuff with a cheap point-n-shoot. Some years ago, I was winning UPC with photos from my old crappy camera.

I do agree with that. Although a good camera helps, it is no way near as important as a good eye. For example the photo that won the second to last UPC was taken with a digital compact camera, nothing special, and shots that I've entered since then taken with a DSLR with a serious lens haven't scored as highly.... plus some of the most iconic and memorable photos of all time were taken with basic cameras and were of relatively 'low quality' by todays standards.

I do accept that there are certain post editing techniques which are more dramatic and eyecatchig, and therefore lend themselves often to higher scores than the shot might otherwise get... but a good photo is a good photo no matter what, and the scores will nearly always reflect that.

If you start comparing equipment, where do you stop? Probably not until you've got professional quality kit, and then you're not likely to be posting here! :lol:

If you start comparing equipment, where do you stop?

Well, it's certainly a combination of the best equipment (i.e. camera, lens, etc.) that money can buy, a talented photographer with a keen eye and post production editing.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

I just wanted to let everyone know that I will no longer be posting photos on the UPC. The down-voting and lack of useful comments from the weak just make this a contest that is no longer fun to be a part of.

I would like to give a huge "THANK YOU" to all the wonderful people that voted on my actual photos as opposed to what else was in the photo or the title or worse yet, on popularity. All the good votes and helpful comments, however, made it all worthwhile.

Additionally, I will continue to vote on others' photos as I've done since I joined and I look forward to many more amazing photos from most of you.

Take it easy,
Hal


Sorry to hear that bud. I for one will no longer be voting on here because of this and how I see the voting going myself. I stopped for a number of months and came back and almost wish I hadn't. Good luck to you.

I for one will no longer be voting on here because of this.

You can't let the downvoters win. :ohno:

No matter what we say in here, the downvoters will continue to destroy some very good photos from making it to the finals.

But the more of us honest voters who vote for the photos and not the photographer, the more honest this contest will be.

If you quit, then the downvoters win -- please don't let that happen -- we need you!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

Downvoting is being dealt with but it wouldn't make sense if I would tell onyone how.

The solution is actually quite simple.

Message to the downvoters:

To those of you who downvote, you ruin our weekly contest!

Think about it - we vote fairly for the photos.

Without you, the photos with the highest average score makes it to the finals.

Without you, no one is insulted and everyone is encouraged to participate.

Without you, no one complains.

There are times when I strongly feel a photo deserves to make it to the finals (and others have felt the same), then suddenly a single downvote ruins it.

Please stop the downvoting and please show some respect.

Thanks for understanding.

The solution is actually quite simple.

And what would that be, since this is all subjective anyway? ^^With regard to some of the other comments, yes, there is a lot you can do with state-of-the-art digital techology with regard to taking a photograph and editing it, but I believe it is the artistic eye that really makes the photograph with a feel for the right angles and lighting.

And as far as the downvoting is concerned, which I have experienced some of myself after reading Hal's comments, I'm here to show works of art, whether anybody really gets it or not, without me having to explain why something is a great photograph. I studied skyscraper architecture and history as a hobby for over 30 years before finally buying a camera to shoot it myself after Miami's recent construction boom which is still going on. Many great artists were not recognized in their own time because they simply were ahead of their time, and that is how I choose to look at things. I will continue to participate in the Urban Photo Contest to showcase my work, as well as for other reasons, regardless of the downvoting. :cheers:

Well, it's certainly a combination of the best equipment (i.e. camera, lens, etc.) that money can buy, a talented photographer with a keen eye and post production editing.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

Before I got my camera and started shooting, I noticed the quality of some of the pictures posted by another Miami forumer. When I asked him what kind of camera he used, I was very impressed with the quality of the photos for how reasonably priced the camera was. I knew that was the camera I needed to start with. Since that time, I have gotten the attention of a prestigious architectural firm here in Miami who is interested in my work and they in turn referred me to a renowned Miami historian who is also interested in my work, so I am one of the photographers working on the book Miami the Magic City with her. And this is all with an inexpensive compact digital camera. The difference I make with the camera comes from having studied picture books and postcards of various cities for decades, so I have some idea of how I want to shoot the city and its skyline as far as the angles, views, and vistas I want to capture. I think in the end, it is still the artistic eye that makes the photograph, for the most part, regardless of the equipment. I give more weight to aerials and night shots in rating photographs though because they are a little more involved than just pointing and shooting.

And what would that be, since this is all subjective anyway? ^^


I could tell you, but I won't, considering Jan's post.

By the way, yes voting is subjective, but it's not the same as down-voting. There-in lies the solution.

Are there any rules of how long before an entry can be re-posted here? Say I've got a photo posted in UPC before, and I want to post it again, how long before I am allowed to do it again?

You never can post it again, one photo, one chance:)

^^ Thanks for you weekly contributions, haldcottingham !!

I have always admired your photos.

I do notice the same pattern of downvotes across the board.

I used to participate years ago, but even though I was close to making it to the finals, I simply gave up because I realized I could not compete with my digital camera.

The best photographers (the ones who manage to produce eye popping photos) have the more expensive DSLR cameras with the expensive lens and I simply can't afford those.

Until the day arrives where I can afford an expensive DSLR, I will just admire those who do by continuing to vote fairly for their outstanding photos.

I made it to the finals three times last year using a Praktika DCZ 4.2. It's a 2004 compact camera with 4.2 megapixels. So...it is possible to win without an expensive camera. :)

I made it to the finals three times last year using a Praktika DCZ 4.2. It's a 2004 compact camera with 4.2 megapixels. So...it is possible to win without an expensive camera. :)

too right!
Not the camera makes the photograph but the photographer!

is aoc power leveling (http://www.aoc-power-leveling.org) and age of conan power leveling (http://www.aoc-power-leveling.org) the same mean??

Im getting tired of this.. They are downvoting my picture as well. I forgot to make the poll public.. This is not really stimulating me to post anymore photo's here.

Im getting tired of this.. They are downvoting my picture as well. I forgot to make the poll public.. This is not really stimulating me to post anymore photo's here.try not to let in bother you. it happens to everybody. You are a talented photographer. keep shooting and posting your work. For every one down vote there are 10 honest votes out there.

I've got a question. This UPC states that it has to be an urban related picture. Now there are some very nice pics here which are not urban or where it is questionable. How important is it that the have to be urban for the contest?

The weekly contest starts again Saturday, no?

I've got a question. This UPC states that it has to be an urban related picture. Now there are some very nice pics here which are not urban or where it is questionable. How important is it that the have to be urban for the contest?Urban is subjective, but I think of it as anti-rural. Generally speaking, the more urban it is, the better the picture will do in the contest.

The weekly contest starts again Saturday, no?yes, every saturday.

don't you just hate it when your submission gets pushed to the second page :lol:

^^ why should we? It's not difficult to go back to the first page and if you really want to see the photo, you bother...

Why can't somebody ban "sojuz" ?

^^ lol, true. Where r the authorities?

try not to let in bother you. it happens to everybody. You are a talented photographer. keep shooting and posting your work. For every one down vote there are 10 honest votes out there.

Thanks, I appreciate your comment. I'll try to post some photo's again, but need some inspiration. The days of traveling are gone for a while. Im real busy with my school at the moment..

Why can't somebody ban "sojuz" ?

I got a 1 or a 3 in an 8/10 pic

Will you do the photographers ranking for the 2008 SSC Photo Contests in Hall of fame ?

I got a 1 or a 3 in an 8/10 pic

Indeed! He is downvoting every pic overhere.

Why can't somebody ban "sojuz" ?

^^ lol, true. Where r the authorities?

Indeed! He is downvoting every pic overhere.

He is my countryman, but I also not-like it and I think that its necessary to do something. It is a play, entertainment, not a display of odd feeling the taste, or the discriminating taste. :ohno:

He is my countryman, but I also not-like it and I think that its necessary to do something. It is a play, entertainment, not a display of odd feeling the taste, or the discriminating taste. :ohno:

...and that's the reason to ban him...

Please delete my thread "snowfall". i did something wrong... i will try later

Final works, all these photographs are on the wonderful level. I propose to publish the, real, not electronic picture album with photographs of finalists. :)

Can't we have a lucky-loser-system? Some contenders that don't make it are stronger than winners from other weeks. Some weeks are just stronger than other weeks. Maybe we can have a runner-up vote at the end of the year. The eight (or another number of) runners-up with the most votes may compete with the rest of the winners.

Ban the downvoters already!

Ban the downvoters already!


^^Very well.

And about the album and this way you should think gentlemen :)

I will take distribution in centre and eastern Europe;)

^^Very well.

And about the album and this way you should think gentlemen :)

I will take distribution in centre and eastern Europe;)

very interesting idea :)
i would definitely buy one

Thanks friend.

I know that the idea is good:) of course title it: "skyscrapercity", and on the cover:
http://futureblog.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ziemia.jpg

I am pleased that I already have one album sold:)

When people can see the real album who has genesis in the Internet, they feel that it must be very very very good ;) , and it is!

:cheers:

OK, enough of this nonsense. I don't think I'll be posting any more pics, when a standard practice is to give youself a 10 and go to the polls of others and give 7s to the strongest competitors. Not to mention other less obvious things like people giving each other higher than average marks and so on. Who are you helping by doing this?

OK, enough of this nonsense. I don't think I'll be posting any more pics, when a standard practice is to give youself a 10 and go to the polls of others and give 7s to the strongest competitors. Not to mention other less obvious things like people giving each other higher than average marks and so on. Who are you helping by doing this?

I know, we can't do anything about this issue. I'm afraid you have to deal with it..

Thanks friend.

I know that the idea is good:) of course title it: "skyscrapercity", and on the cover:
http://futureblog.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ziemia.jpg

I am pleased that I already have one album sold:)

When people can see the real album who has genesis in the Internet, they feel that it must be very very very good ;) , and it is!

:cheers:

I don't really get it. Lol.

You are using all the finalist pics. And you are making an album of that? And that's on the internet or just on paper or whatever? And you make money with it?

I know, we can't do anything about this issue. I'm afraid you have to deal with it..

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Enforcement in these situations does not work. What does work is exposure. I'm not actually suggesting anything, but if there was a will to do something, there is a way.

I don't really get it. Lol.
You are using all the finalist pics. And you are making an album of that? And that's on the internet or just on paper or whatever? And you make money with it?

It is only an idea friend. With nobody I am doing nothing and I am not earning money on it. Don't you worry.

Im not worrying lol, I was just wondering what this is all about :) I thought u were earning money with it cuz you said ''sold''. ;)

OK, enough of this nonsense. I don't think I'll be posting any more pics, when a standard practice is to give youself a 10 and go to the polls of others and give 7s to the strongest competitors. Not to mention other less obvious things like people giving each other higher than average marks and so on. Who are you helping by doing this?
I'm the first to admit that I give myself 10s. I think it's necessary and fair, in order to counter-act and somewhat neutralize the unfair downvoters.

What really starts to annoy me is people posting just the mark. No explantion whatsoever. I really appreciate when people take some time so say what they like, or dislike, about the photo. Just posting the mark is kind of useless, right? :)

^Unless you're a post count junkie...then it does make sense I guess.

What really starts to annoy me is people posting just the mark. No explantion whatsoever. I really appreciate when people take some time so say what they like, or dislike, about the photo. Just posting the mark is kind of useless, right? :)
Agreed. We can see what you give us in the poll, no need to post it if you're not going to bother explaining it.

Especially if it's a critical mark.

Who is this marcobruls guy. Some nasty downvotes out of nowhere..

Let's light the discussion up again overhere.

Singidunum, ZZ-II, Ladies and gentlemen, is it possible to do with it something?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=862893

The script allows for withdrawing voices?
It is open cheating.. Envy, stupidity, paranoia. I feel sorry for photographers, of everyone which are voting and are playing with us. I feel sorry for me, because in such moment my voice isn't valid and of a few persons also.

If he is important, his value in such a moment is dropping. Then my voting doesn't make sense.
?:ohno:

edit: I apologise for linguistic mistakes. :nuts:

I completely agree with the above statement and support the total annihilation of those pests down-voters, which seem to defy the common principles of aesthetic judgment accepted on SSC. Down with downvotes!

^^ I'm sorry but your votes are often around 4 and 3. First time I saw it I thought: Ok, he is a professional now he needs to show us how to make some nice photos.

You posted 2 photos. One of a boring wall with a lady in the shadow, and I couldn't remember the other one. Dude, I'm sorry but you are acting like a professional and giving others low votes. Most of the times you don't even give an explanation for it. Then you come up with some boring nothing meaning pictures IMO. And now you say you totally agree while you are one of the downvoters? Prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by fish
I used to participate years ago, but even though I was close to making it to the finals, I simply gave up because I realized I could not compete with my digital camera.

The best photographers (the ones who manage to produce eye popping photos) have the more expensive DSLR cameras with the expensive lens and I simply can't afford those.

Until the day arrives where I can afford an expensive DSLR, I will just admire those who do by continuing to vote fairly for their outstanding photos.

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i swear that is the weakest excuse i ve ever heard. dude ansel adams didnt have a dslr. neither did andy warhol. if you blame the gear , you might as well blame yourself. and you know you could save some money and go buy one if youre so into photography.

I don't believe downvoting is a problem. There are 10 choices, do as you see fit. The only way I could see downvoting as "unfair" is if a couple photos are neck and neck and one of the photographers gives the other photo a downvote. But even then it's more a cheap move than unfair in my eyes.

Originally Posted by fish
I used to participate years ago, but even though I was close to making it to the finals, I simply gave up because I realized I could not compete with my digital camera.

The best photographers (the ones who manage to produce eye popping photos) have the more expensive DSLR cameras with the expensive lens and I simply can't afford those.

Until the day arrives where I can afford an expensive DSLR, I will just admire those who do by continuing to vote fairly for their outstanding photos.

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i swear that is the weakest excuse i ve ever heard. dude ansel adams didnt have a dslr. neither did andy warhol. if you blame the gear , you might as well blame yourself. and you know you could save some money and go buy one if youre so into photography.

I disagree with you in regards to this photo contest. Those with nicer cameras definitely have the advantage for votes here. It's not a bad thing, just what it is.

Too bad that there are still downvoters. Funny that they never post a pic in the upc. KK is still downvoting all the time, and scared to show one of his pics. Well dude, I'll help you with that:

Ha leuk, toevallig heb ik zaterdag ook een kiekje gemaakt, niet echt cristalclear :nuts:, maar toch:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2mct00m.jpg

Vanaf U by the way

They are still here, i know. :ohno:

I agree with you and unpleasantly for me, that its still unfairly.

Why does the pic 4.
Oasis of Peace By: Soteropolis1
participate in finals? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39254898#post39254898
This pic did not get anything http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39223746#post39223746

Why does the pic 4.
Oasis of Peace By: Soteropolis1
participate in finals? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39254898#post39254898
This pic did not get anything http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39223746#post39223746


Yes, that shot definitly doesn't deserve to be in the finals.

Just stopped by to say hello to everyone.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Hello.gif

I am going to get a new digital camera soon (will be compact and not a DSLR).

I just can't afford a DSLR camera.
If the quality is good enough, I may try participating for a week or two to see what you think.

Just stopped by to say hello to everyone.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Hello.gif

I am going to get a new digital camera soon (will be compact and not a DSLR).

I just can't afford a DSLR camera.
If the quality is good enough, I may try participating for a week or two to see what you think.

Have you considered bying a Nikon D40, it's a nice compact DSLR camera with outstanding 18-55 kit lens.

Yes exactly! I have one, and my shots are pretty amazing huh? :D No I'm just joking, but it's a pretty good camera and I got mine a year ago (second hand) for only 175 euros!

Yes exactly! I have one, and my shots are pretty amazing huh? :D No I'm just joking, but it's a pretty good camera and I got mine a year ago (second hand) for only 175 euros!


Now that's the point, D40 is ridiculously cheap and it makes superb photos in almost any condition when you get into the DSLR philosophy.

i agree d40 is way to go. especially now that those shitty d3000 and 5000s are out. d40s are probably cheaper now since some must have thought they were trading up.

d40 has no video capabilities, but why would you use a dslr to shoot video. d40 is lightweight, shoots quick enough unless you're professionally shooting sports. 6mp is perfectly fine for any computer screen display and enough to print 300dpi for prints 2' wide

* Yes, you also have one vote, do with it whatever you please.

Noob seeking clarification:

We have one vote per entry or one vote per weekly competition?

he means you can vote for your own picture (or both, if you have entered two) if you want. you can also vote for any/all the other pictures. no matter what picture it is, you can vote once

A couple of other things...

Is it a requirement to post what you voted after voting? seems to be everyone does it (setting the polls to public would have the same effect without all the extra overhead).

It occurs to me that the whole up/down-voting thing could be solved by having a poll with only [i]one[i/] option, not ten. If you like a photo, vote for it, if not, then remain silent. Then take the top 5 (those with the most votes) through to the finals. If there's a draw for 5th place, take all of them through. I don't know enough about the voting patterns to tell whether this would give enough spread of votes to identify finalists.

Alternatively, if the main concern is a single rogue vote distorting the average, then remove the vote level with the smallest number of votes from each entry's poll, introducing an element of modality. If an entry is scoring lots of 8s and 9s with one vote of 4, then lose the vote of 4 before calculating the average. Equally, an entry scoring lots of 3s and 2s, with one of 8 would drop that one 8 vote before calculating the average score.

Is the ranking using some built in function of vBulletin that can't easily be modified?

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Dear Moderators,

Could you please clarify how you choose the finalists... any objective grounds? The process seems to be a mystery...

Thanks.

There is no mystery. It's based on the votes. The 5 pics with the highest votes of the week will be the finalists..

There is no mystery. It's based on the votes. The 5 pics with the highest votes of the week will be the finalists..

Thank you, Ni3lS:hi:

sorry, but still a mystery: what stands for ' the highest votes '

a number of 10s
a number of 10s+9s
the total number of votes; or
something else

Looks like the voting and its results generate a lot of discussion here and a lot of suggestions, not all of them are bad...:)

Regards

I'll try to explain: When someone get's like 5 10's but also 5 6's it's more likely that someone with 10 9's and 2 10's has a higher average. It all depends. Mostly it's a surprise who are the finalists because most people won't count the votes themselves.

Hi all, i wanted to know if a 2009 contest will be held like the one that happened last year, thanks

Those with nicer cameras definitely have the advantage for votes here.
Absolutely, positively NOT! The PERSON makes the photo, not the camera. Pulease...

Downvoting sucks...we should just make the voting 1-5 instead of 1-10. Do we really need such a range? The only people that vote lower than 5 are people purposely downvoting. I've never seen a photo so bad here that I'd give lower than 5

Can you post a photo that you have previously posted in another sub-forum (e.g. a regional forum)?

sorry, but still a mystery: what stands for ' the highest votes '
Total number of votes divided by average vote?

Can you post a photo that you have previously posted in another sub-forum (e.g. a regional forum)?

Sure, as long as it is yours :)

Hi, Moderators


Another mystery: what's wrong with your notification system??? It does not work at all or works sporadically or so inefficient or just poorly maintained..? What is the proper setting for receiving all replies to ALL the posts entered? If it needs some improvements, replacements, etc, why would not you consider this? "Forum" means "discussions" and needs a proper notification system. Am I not right? Apologies if the system is in place but I just could not find it.......Would you help? Best wishes.

And what with the new contest???

Yeah I was kind of wondering that too..

moderators probably don't know what to do about last poll, it would be fair to disqualify polish photo and ignore it's manipulated results and just close poll and winner will be 2nd one, it's shame some cheater ruined UPC

^^ Calm down

there seems to be another issue with the contest this week.

there seems to be another issue with the contest this week.

I think we need a second moderator to help out when Jan isn't around.

yes, contest should ended in saturday, I wanted to write post back then, but thought it will be closed at least on sunday but again it's saturday and contest still running, what's going on here last weeks?

this section has officialy five moderators:
Jan, Rainier Meadows, Taller, Better, KB

so I dunno what are other 4 doing, when Jan is not here

I think the Photo Forums in general need 1 or 2 extra moderators.

There is no need for new moderators.

That kinda made me lol.

What kinda made you lol? :dunno:

What kinda made you lol? :dunno:

The statement by one of the moderators saying there was no need for new moderators made him lol.

Ni3|S, what's your reason for saying that? We are suggesting an extra moderator to help out with restarting the contest every Saturday if needed. Two out of the last four (or five?) weeks have been missed. A second Urban Photo Contest mod would in all likelihood prevent that from happening again.

....or some of you can find something else to do on Saturday instead of clicking refresh all day waiting for a new contest to start.

I think the Photo Forums in general need 1 or 2 extra moderators.

I agree with you "Persian". ;)

People who are here regularly, know this.

The statement by one of the moderators saying there was no need for new moderators made him lol.

Ni3|S, what's your reason for saying that? We are suggesting an extra moderator to help out with restarting the contest every Saturday if needed. Two out of the last four (or five?) weeks have been missed. A second Urban Photo Contest mod would in all likelihood prevent that from happening again.

Cuz we already 4 photoforum mods. A new mod is most of the times not a solution. Besides that, you guys are claiming that the master of this forum is not doing his work well enough. Don't be so inpatient.

moderator,can u please delete heaven door thread..becoz i'm not the owner for that photo..sory for my mistakes..

moderator,can u please delete heaven door thread..becoz i'm not the owner for that photo..sory for my mistakes..

you also are the kind, that use to put one to a picture and don´t explain why?

Can some mod delete my thread please ? I forgot that it had to be urban so..
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1179557

This ones are the rules to post a thread. good, but what about the responsability to vote? Normally i use to see in all the UPC that there are allways some guys that vote low whitout any reason, just to do sabotage whit the poll. i think that less they can do is explain whit some arguments why they give a 1. just for respect.
Is just my mind.

This has been an issue for ages. Don't bother and forget about it. Shit happens

If a proper, professional critique is in order, use the following template from flickr's The Portfolio Pro: Constructive Critiques (http://www.flickr.com/groups/ngproinvitation/).

10 - Perfect
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 - Good
6 - Above Average
5 - Average
4 - Below Average
3 - Poor
2 - Very Poor
1 - Dreadful

A photograph should be critiqued based on four categories:
* Technical Execution
* Visual Composition
* Artistic Value and Creativity
* Personal Impact

Technical Execution
* Color balance, BW conversion, tonal range, saturation
* Focus, sharpness, details, visible noise or grain, DOF, bokeh
* Exposure, highlight burn-out, details in dark areas, contrast, shutter/aperture choice
* Postprocessing: use of special effects, vignetting, blurring, texture, framing, good use of HDR?
* Lens distortion, tilted horizon

Visual Composition
* Organization of elements: weight, balance, shape, orientation
* Perspective, leading lines, flows, depth
* Use of colors, light and size of objects in the composition
* Aspect ratio,crop, natural framing
* Position of key elements: rule of thirds, golden section, diagonal, simplicity
* Geometry and symmetry
* Anchor point(s), center of interest, flows

Artistic Value and Creativity
* Concept and idea
* Does it work?
* Suitable use of technique and composition?
* Artistic achievement / work of art?
* Uniqueness / Originality / Innovation
* Creative interpretation of classic theme?
* Different and refreshing?

Personal Impact
* Initial interest, initial impact/wow factor
* Lasting impact? A photo you will remember? Emotional impact? Eye catcher?
* How the image affects you
* Does it feel like you're in the picture?
* People engaged in the scene or merely posing?
* Impressive creativity, composition and/or execution?
* Like to visit the photo location?

Interesting list, thanks for posting. I'm afraid though that most of the people in this section are not gonna use that.

Interesting list, thanks for posting. I'm afraid though that most of the people in this section are not gonna use that.

Oh I agree, most people will not follow this entirely. It's a helpful template though, even if forumers take bits and pieces. Constructive criticism and praise are great things to hear as a photographer, pro or amateur. Much better than just a comment to say what they voted which we can see anyway.

:yes:

Good list mentioned above. I would be grateful if anyone could use it first ;-)

I've got a question.

How long it takes - voting for the picture in the general competition? I thought it would take one week, but I've noticed that there is info "this poll will be closed on 5-th of March" which is in 2 weeks above the table with notes .

thanx, regards

Each contest lasts one week, usually it starts and ends on Saturday. Some people can opt to have their polls closed on certain days, but I'm not sure why they would do that.

Hi, just wanted to mention that on "Too Cold for Basketball", I had 1 voter say he gave me an 8, but then I only had 1 total vote and it was a 4. I don't know if that means anything, just saying.

Sorry... It was just a bad-manipulation. :( if someone could please move it, it would be great ! :)

Or if you can, DZH22, create a new thread ! :D

To Jan; please remove the option where posters can see who voted for their pics. Some people get offended with a low vote and feel that other people are sabotaging them. They than contact you with insults! Those who have moderating powers, abuse their powers and put people in the brig for this exact reason!! I will think twice before voting for a picture where my vote is not secret.

Really.. Now that is interesting because mods are not supposed to abuse their powers. Instead of complaining here you should pm Jan about this.

And maybe it helps if you could explain your low votes to others? I always look at it from this point of view: I can handle low votes, no big deal. Though the times that I get offended is when I get low votes from people that I've NEVER seen in this contest. They basically just hop in to nail someone and then mostly the reason is: ''I don't like the picture''. Now a second one is, is when someone is downvoting your pictures and giving a reason for it, while their submissions are very disappointing.

It has to do with arrogance I think. Now this comes to my mind with people like you once in a while. You give us the impression that you are a great photographer by your opinions and votes. But when you post a photo yourself (and my expectations are pretty high) it actually looks pretty disappointing compared to the other submissions that week. So think about it. Don't you think that you should match your voting style a little bit to your own photography skills? Just saying man, no hard feelings.

By the way. Since a couple of months I don't vote for other pictures at all. I just give feedback. The reason that I'm not voting is mostly because people get angry and they start downvoting my picture for no reason. (If anyone wondered why I stopped voting)

Thanks for your input. I love photography but has never claimed to be a good photographer. I do learn a lot from people on this site and my expectations have increased as a consequence. Hopefully I could be as good as some of the best in here. Having said that, I do not give people a low vote out of spite (and I hardly do give low votes), but I do give a vote of what I feel the picture deserves. I don't moan about what people give me, but take what comes my way.

Referring to your last point: that's exactly why there shouldn't be a voter viewing option, voting should be secret. And yes, I pmd Jan. Thanks

I actually like the voter viewing option because I like seeing the pattern of how different people vote. I always find that interesting. In an election, no one knows how you vote, but in a competition, you are entitled to know which judge gave you what score because bias and favoritism often do come into play. I don't say anything about the voting here anymore because I've come to know what to expect from the UPC and from certain people who vote. I'm just more interested now in seeing what works in here.

Thanks for your input. I love photography but has never claimed to be a good photographer. I do learn a lot from people on this site and my expectations have increased as a consequence. Hopefully I could be as good as some of the best in here. Having said that, I do not give people a low vote out of spite (and I hardly do give low votes), but I do give a vote of what I feel the picture deserves. I don't moan about what people give me, but take what comes my way.

Referring to your last point: that's exactly why there shouldn't be a voter viewing option, voting should be secret. And yes, I pmd Jan. Thanks

Of course and I know. It's all about the impression you give someone. If there's someone that gives you a 6 all the time. Then you start thinking right? First thing I think about is when a lot of ppl vote 9's and 10's en there's always this one dude that gives me a 6 is that he must be an awesome photographer. He obviously knows how to take a better picture because otherwise he would share the opinion of the crowd right? Now I'm not talking about incidents but about people that do this constantly. Hope you see what I mean.

First thing I think about is when a lot of ppl vote 9's and 10's en there's always this one dude that gives me a 6 is that he must be an awesome photographer.

I'm sorry, but I don't see anybody giving you a 6 for anything! Nobody's that awesome to give you a 6 for anything without down voting you! :):cheers:

Hah, well, thanks for the compliment Steve. Appreciated, though this has happened to me before and it still does. Just have to accept it, matter of opinion :)

Hah, well, thanks for the compliment Steve. Appreciated, though this has happened to me before and it still does. Just have to accept it, matter of opinion :)

I'm sorry, but unfortunately, there are people who are jealous of what you do, and jealously often rears its ugly head in here. That's my opinion! One day, I'm going to figure out how to make my night shots look like yours, just like I know when I've nailed a perfect aerial without blur or noise and with perfect lighting, and you can only down vote me legitimately on composition. :):cheers:

Doh... As a newbie to this subforum I was so smart to post my picture on Friday afternoon. No way I can get enough votes before tomorrow. :nuts:

Doh... As a newbie to this subforum I was so smart to post my picture on Friday afternoon. No way I can get enough votes before tomorrow. :nuts:

Well, I once posted on a Friday and made the finals, so you never know!:lol::cheers:

Another reason I like the voter viewing option though is sometimes people comment and forget to vote. :nuts::):cheers:

OMG. Getting my first 1/10 from some random voter for la defence.

OMG. Getting my first 1/10 from some random voter for la defence.

Welcome to the club.

Exactly. If that blows ur mind already then be prepared..

Hi people!
I’d like to ask one thing : Are people shots considered urban?
Beacuse I would like to post some of them later on but I don’t want to be :bash:

Thanks! :)

Just post it anyway

Without people there are no cities.

Ok, I’ll post’em & we’ll see. Thanks

Why not just drop the 'urban' from the 'urban photo contest'. This has essentially become not only an urban website, but one focused on travel, tourism and planning. I don't see the need for strictly an urban photo contest, unless we provide an alternative 'unurban photo contest' which we used to have back in the day.

Yeah but then people start posting flowers and shit.