I would imagine that this saga will continue in a courtroom somewhere for sometime even after the club changes hands. I think Hicks won't let this go.

Something coming from left field during the day.



Apt metaphor, Toadie.

They'll need to stamp on Hicks' fingers to get his mits off the club it seems:

The Tom Hicks Statement:

“In April, we confirmed our agreement to sell Liverpool Football Club, and appointed a new chairman and advisers to oversee the process.

At that time we and Martin Broughton stated our commitment to finding the right buyer for LFC, one that could support and sustain the club in the future. We remain committed to that goal.

The owners have invested more than $270 million in cash into the club, and during their tenure revenues have nearly doubled, investment in players has increased and the club is one of the most profitable in the EPL.

As such, the board has been presented with offers that we believe dramatically undervalue the club.

To be clear, there is no change in our commitment to finding a buyer for Liverpool Football Club at a fair price that reflects the very significant investment we’ve made.

We will however, resist any attempt to sell the club without due process or agreement by the owners.”

Martin Broughton has hinted that the new owners would like too expand our current ground i think thats good.

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Sox group tries to get a foot in soccer door

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Fenway Park hosted a soccer match between teams from Scotland and Portugal in July. Now it seems that John Henry’s interest in the beautiful game is going much deeper.

New England Sports Ventures, the holding company that owns the Red Sox, has made an aggressive bid to purchase an English Premiership League team, Liverpool FC.

The soccer team’s board of directors posted a notice on the official team website yesterday saying that “two excellent financial offers’’ were made. But Liverpool’s owners, Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are against the idea.

The board of directors is preparing for legal action to force a sale. Hicks, meanwhile, is seeking to have his son named to the board in an attempt to help block the sale.

According to a major league source, New England Sports Ventures is one of the bidders along with an Asian consortium. The finances of the deal are complicated by the amount of debt being carried by the team, a reported $445 million.

The competing bids are between $450 million and $475 million, according to news reports in England.

Henry did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Hicks, the financially troubled former owner of the Texas Rangers, purchased the team in 2007. He and Gillett have proven unpopular among fans of the Reds, as the team is called.

Forbes magazine ranked Liverpool the sixth most valuable soccer team in the world. The team, long a powerhouse, struggled in the 2009-10 season.

Henry, who has owned the Red Sox since December 2001, branched out into auto racing in 2007 when he purchased 50 percent of Roush Racing. The NASCAR group is now known as Roush Fenway Racing.

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Liverpool Fans `Skeptical' of Boston Red Sox Owner's Takeover of Club


Liverpool fans say they’re skeptical about becoming part of Red Sox Nation.

John W. Henry’s Boston Red Sox holding company had a 300 million-pound ($476 million) bid accepted by Liverpool’s board. The sale is subject to Premier League approval and a legal challenge from owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, who said Henry’s offer “dramatically” undervalues the team.

Fans of the 18-time English soccer champion are wary of another American owner after accusing Hicks and Gillett of draining the team of cash to fund a 2007 leveraged buyout, according to Jegsy Dodd, an author who has written a book about following the team. Liverpool is having its worst league start in more than half a century.

“Supporters are hardly going to welcome the next set of Americans with open arms,” Dodd, 52, said in an interview. They’ll be “very skeptical,” concerned that they’re motivated by profit more than the club’s long-term future, Dodd added.

Henry, a commodities hedge-fund billionaire, would become the latest foreign investor to buy a club in the Premier League, soccer’s richest by sales, following the likes of Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan of Chelsea and Manchester City, respectively. American investors control Manchester United, Aston Villa and Sunderland.

Henry’s New England Sports Ventures is the holding company for the Red Sox, Fenway Park and New England Sports Network. He bought the Red Sox in 2002 and the team won the World Series in 2004, ending an 86-year wait between baseball championships, and in 2007. Fans, collectively known as “Red Sox Nation,” saw it miss out on this year’s Major League Baseball playoffs.

‘Yanks Out’

Liverpool last won the English league in 1990. Thousands of Liverpool fans marched in protest at Hicks and Gillett’s stewardship of the club over the last two years, chanting “Yanks Out” and other slogans. Henry will get a guarded welcome, according to a statement by Spirit of Shankly, a Liverpool supporters’ club.

“There will be one gently outstretched hand of welcome while the other hand contains a list of questions,” the statement said. Fans want to know how the purchase will be financed, plans for the Anfield stadium and player investment, the statement added.

To be sure, it’s a comfort to tie up with “such a great sporting institution” as the Red Sox, said Joe Corrigan, a Liverpool season-ticket holder who travels to homes games from his home in Hoorn, the Netherlands.

“I understand Mr. Henry has had a certain amount of success” with the Red Sox, Corrigan, 54, said. “I don’t think he would get involved with Liverpool if he didn’t want to run the club properly.”

Corrigan said he used to watch the Liverpool team when it was coached by Bill Shankly, who lived within walking distance of the training ground. Supporters would prefer a local owner, too, Dodd says.

“In an ideal world you want a local businessman to buy it who understands the passion, the folklore, the tradition” of the 118-year-old club, Dodd said. “The natives are restless.”

Anyway,these new owners have promised a new 60,000 seater stadium and I'm inclined to believe them this time,it's probably going to come in the shape of a redeveloped Anfield which would probably look amazing so fingers crossed.I can understand the scepticism but I think they'll finally put this ludicrous groundshare notion well and truly to bed.

Can I just laugh at that video, surely the most pathetic thing in the history of football?

Comparing the situation to having your family raped, total lack of comprehension and class...perfect for Liverpool FC then.

Mac is a gobshite. Always has been. ^^ Then again, he's not the only one.

I don't want the club to be owned by any more yanks - I know it's a generalisation but they don't seem to understand anything beyond profit. That includes the culture and history of a club and a city.

They may redevelop the ground but they'll then try and sell the club for a tidy profit.

Don't trust them.

Anyway,these new owners have promised a new 60,000 seater stadium and I'm inclined to believe them this time,it's probably going to come in the shape of a redeveloped Anfield which would probably look amazing so fingers crossed.I can understand the scepticism but I think they'll finally put this ludicrous groundshare notion well and truly to bed.

I agree i would love see the current grown renovated there is so much history there.Wonder if there are any old renders of a redeveloped Anfield knocking around from years ago?

Can I just laugh at that video, surely the most pathetic thing in the history of football?

Comparing the situation to having your family raped, total lack of comprehension and class...perfect for Liverpool FC then.

As a blue I found it hilarious and toe curling at the same time.

Some of the professional scousers in it.... :lol:

Should of put curtis warren in it and some really scary looking blokes.

We gave you the Beatles aww gawd.

I must admit that video makes me cringe.

Red Sox in action

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Ok, this now sounds promising mainly as the bank will be under pressure to assist a sale and side with the club rather than hicks and gillette. I think most fans will not worry about a new stadium. I think all fans now see it's what happens on the pitch that counts, my guess is Anfield will be redeveloped there sure is a lot of space around the stadium these days, a new stadium would have been awesome.

develop the Main Stand and Annie Road. that will get us up to 60,000. ample for most games. :cheers:

Can I just laugh at that video, surely the most pathetic thing in the history of football?

Comparing the situation to having your family raped, total lack of comprehension and class...perfect for Liverpool FC then.



how dose your famous song go,, "we dont care what the red shite say" ha ha you do, nobhead


Somehow, despite the global economy still struggling, Liverpool have attracted at least two serious and respectable bids from would-be new owners.

The list of people queuing up to take over the mantle from Mr Kenwright remains conspicuous by its absence.

The reasons behind the lack of interest are nothing new, even if they remain hard, in some cases impossible, for sections of Everton’s support to swallow.

Isn't AF from Hull and not a blue?

develop the Main Stand and Annie Road. that will get us up to 60,000. ample for most games. :cheers:

Paul, i reckon Anfield can get be redeveloped up to 70,000. The first stand would be the Kemlyn rd, done in two sections ,keeping one part open like Everton done with the main stand 1969-70. 20,000 capacity. Then the main stand, again 20,000 capacity,there's a 60,000 capacity. Later on the Anfield rd,15,000 capacity, that's a 68,000 Anfield. 5 year plan, probably 100mil. Incidentally , yesterday Joe Andersen said he was against any new owners re-developing Anfield, he wants the new stadium built on Stanley Park. Just to add, planning sholudn't be a problem re-developing Anfield. How could they conceivably refuse after decimating the area with demolitions.

Liverpool to receive new bid from Singapore billionaire

The bidding contest for Liverpool FC may not be over, the BBC can reveal.

The runner-up in the contest, Peter Lim, a Singapore billionaire, is to approach Liverpool's board with a view to making a higher offer for the club.

According to sources close to Mr Lim, he was the club's preferred bidder in the closing stages of the auction.

He had talks with Liverpool's chairman about how to announce his takeover, such was the apparent confidence that he would win the contest.
'No loans'

Mr Lim learned he was not the victor only a few hours before the club's chairman, Martin Broughton, announced on 6 October that Liverpool would be sold to John Henry's New England Sport Ventures for £300m.
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Mr Lim, who is being advised by the British firm of lawyers Macfarlanes and by the Wong Partnership of Singapore, still does not know why Mr Broughton went with New England Sports Ventures, owners of the Boston Red Sox.

He believes that in purely monetary terms, his offer was at least as attractive as Mr Henry's.

Mr Lim, too, was offering to repay all of Royal Bank of Scotland's and Wachovia's £200m of long-term debt, to take on £60m of other debt and to inject £40m of working capital.

What's more - and Mr Lim regards this as crucial - all the money being provided by him would come from his own cash resources. He is not planning to borrow any of it.

I understand he is also offering to provide tens of millions of pounds to Liverpool's manager, Roy Hodgson, to allow him to buy players when the transfer window opens in January.

According to executives close to Mr Lim, he was told by Mr Broughton that his ability to fund the takeover for cash, and the size of his cash resources, meant he was a more attractive owner than New England Sports Ventures.

Mr Lim was told that Liverpool's board was concerned that New England Sports Ventures would have to borrow to finance the takeover - raising questions about whether Liverpool really would break free from the financial shackles perceived to have been imposed by the current owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks.

In the event, New England Sports Ventures have insisted it will not load up Liverpool FC with debt.

But there are no guarantees that there will not be significant debt further up the corporate ownership structure of New England Sports Ventures - which could limit how much money Mr Henry and his colleagues can inject into Liverpool in the future.

Mr Lim is keeping a close eye on the court case, which starts on Tuesday.

The case is supposed to rule on whether Mr Broughton can sell Liverpool to New England Sports Ventures against the wishes of Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett.

The Singapore billionaire believes the judgement in that case may give him an opportunity to bid again, whatever Mr Broughton may wish.
Business empire

Mr Lim is also prepared to buy Liverpool, should it ultimately collapse into administration under UK insolvency procedures.

According to sources close to him, he feels that he may have been shut out because New England made an offer to Royal Bank of Scotland to pay some of the £40m penalty fees the banks have demanded.

If that is the case, he believes Royal Bank may have done a poor deal, because he would be prepared to pay RBS and Wachovia more than the £10m or so which New England Sports Ventures is said to have put on the table.

"He never had a chance to negotiate directly with Royal Bank [of Scotland]," said a source. "He was expecting to do so, after agreeing the takeover with the board."

Mr Lim has an estimated net worth of $1.6bn (£1bn), according to Forbes Magazine.

He made his fortune in fashion, logistics and agri-business.

His interest in English football stems from his ownership of several Manchester United themed bars in Asia - which have persuaded him that there is huge global potential for making money from top-flight English football.

Meanwhile, Royal Bank of Scotland announced on Monday afternoon that it had obtained an injuction to prevent Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett from sacking Martin Broughton or any other of the club's board members ahead of Tuesday's court case.

how dose your famous song go,, "we dont care what the red shite say" ha ha you do, nobhead


Somehow, despite the global economy still struggling, Liverpool have attracted at least two serious and respectable bids from would-be new owners.

The list of people queuing up to take over the mantle from Mr Kenwright remains conspicuous by its absence.

The reasons behind the lack of interest are nothing new, even if they remain hard, in some cases impossible, for sections of Everton’s support to swallow.

'Respectable bids' is a hopeful rather than watertight comment i'm sure as it could just be out of the frying pan and into the fire. There has been a U.S. link to Everton just this week but it is well known that Kenwright's vetting of would be buyers is akin to a father sussing out his daughters new boyfriend. Possibly annoying to blues as we too would like millions thrown at us, we've never been able to afford 4 x 17m players and a 26m one (albeit never fit) ;)

Then again, most would say we'd rather be in safe, if not wealthy hands rather than staring administration in the eyes due to American or other spurious involvement.

What's this about the US link? Never heard of it.

I've just woke up and switched on the news and there's a load of scousers and miners celebrating,"what's the matter,is Maggie Thatcher dead".:)

^^ :lol:

Good riddance to two of the biggest pricks to ever enter our city.

Now please pass Bill Kenwright, Mr Broughton's telephone number!

Even Broughton couldn't flog a turd!

Liverpool fans have created some momentum and direction with a goal of having representation on the board and ultimately ownership. Could Everton mobilise and put a scheme together to become a society and gradually buy the club?

Evertonians see campaigning as "kopite behaviour", i'm afraid.


(more's the pity).

Taken from Bluemoon. Not seen the BBC ticker yet.

Erm, I don't know if your aware of this, or if it's true, but......

Texas court halts sale of Liverpool.

On BBC website ticker, breaking news..

The shit has just hit the fan.

Here.

The owners of Liverpool Football Club today reported that a Texas State District Court has granted a temporary restraining order (TRO) enjoining the Board of Liverpool Football Club (LFC) from executing a sale of the Club to New England Sports Ventures (NESV). The court set a hearing date of October 25, 2010.
The TRO request, signed by Judge Jim Jordan of the 160th District Court in Dallas, was part of a lawsuit filed today by the owners of LFC against Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow, Ian Ayre, NESV and Philip Nash. The lawsuit also seeks temporary and permanent injunctions, and damages totaling approximately $1.6 billion (over £1 billion).
The suit lays out the defendants’ “epic swindle” in which they conspired to devise and execute a scheme to sell LFC to NESV at a price they know to be hundreds of millions of dollars below true market value (and well below Forbes magazine’s recent independent $822 million valuation of the club) – and below multiple expressions of interest and offers to buy either the club in its entirety or make minority investments (including Meriton and Mill Financial). It describes how the defendants excluded the owners from meetings, discussions and communications regarding the potential sale to NESV and interfered with efforts by the owners to obtain financing for Liverpool FC.
The Club’s owners are represented by attorneys from the international law firm of Fish & Richardson.
The following are some of the key points in the complaint, which details the roles of RBS and the other defendants, and also describes previously undisclosed offers to purchase LFC:
“The Director Defendants were acting merely as pawns of RBS, wholly abdicating the fiduciary responsibilities that they owed in the sale.”
“RBS has been complicit in this scheme with the Director Defendants. For example, in letters from RBS to potential investors obtained just within the past few days, RBS has informed investors that it will approve of a deal only if there is “no economic return to equity” for Messrs. Hicks and Gillett. In furtherance of this grand conspiracy, on information and belief, RBS has improperly used its influence as the club’s creditor and as a worldwide banking leader to prevent any transaction that would permit Messrs. Hicks and Gillett to recover any of their initial investment in the club, much less share in the substantial appreciation in the value of Liverpool FC that their investments have created.”
“On or about October 4, 2010, Mr. Hicks received a letter of interest from a third potential purchaser represented by FBR Capital Markets (“FBR”), offering to purchase Liverpool FC for £375 to £400 million ($595 to $635 million). The letter informed Mr. Hicks that the potential purchaser would not need financing, possessed the funds to close the transaction, and intended to build a new stadium for Liverpool FC.”
“Additionally, the Plaintiffs learned just days ago about another potential investor that made a similar offer in the £350 to £400 million range that was communicated to Defendant Broughton and another unnamed co-conspirator in late August. According to this investor, Mr. Broughton never responded to the offer. Moreover, when the purported sale to NESV was announced, this investor again contacted Mr. Broughton and informed him that the offer, which significantly exceeded the NESV offer, was still on the table. Again, Mr. Broughton brushed this offer aside without further discussion.”

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Texan by birth, texan by nature.

Jesus H Christ are they going to go and see Judge Judy next!?

Just give it up bellends.

Jesus H Christ are they going to go and see Judge Judy next!?

Just give it up bellends.

LOL they are trying every last trick in the book.

Texan by birth, texan by nature.

Succinct.

NESV operates in the states as does H&G's top level holding company, Kop Dellaware (?) LLC, so I think they have to sort this out properly, rather than just ignore it. Hopefully, in terms of the siege, this is Hicks defending the stronghold with a catapult and raisins.

What a mess: The Guardian reports "It seems that NESV and RBS are respecting the Texan restraining order in order to protect their investments in the US".

Oh and...."everything is on hold until 25 October as this is the hearing date in the Texas court."

Why do I get the feeling there's another TRO in Delaware waiting for us? I'm starting to think receivership is the best way to get the club out of the hands of this beaut.

Texas TRO f****** off tomorrow with a bit of luck!

poor guy, I bet he's gonna get some shit over the next few days...

I present Hicks's saviour... Judge Jim

http://www.judgejimjordan.com/

Jimmy McGovern already has a treatment on the go for the entire roller coaster. So expect a movie if the Yanks gets what they deserve.

High Court rejects attempts to block sale of Liverpool
Liverpool's American owners suffered a further setback after a High Court judge ruled their injunction to block the sale of the club was ineffective.

The ruling paves the way for the club to be sold to New England Sports Ventures (NESV), owners of the Boston Red Sox baseball team, for £300m.

On Wednesday owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett took out an injunction in Texas to block any proposed sale.

But Judge Christopher Floyd said that ruling had no validity in England.

The prospect of NESV buying Liverpool had looked close on Wednesday when Hicks and Gillett failed in their original High Court challenge to regain control of the club.

At a board meeting that evening, directors voted three to two in favour of selling the club to NESV, before current owners Hicks and Gillett sprang a surprise by taking out a temporary restraining order in Texas, halting any planned sale.

But on Thursday Mr Justice Floyd overturned this, calling Hicks and Gillett's conduct "unconscionable" and saying "this case has no real connection to Texas."

Jimmy McGovern already has a treatment on the go for the entire roller coaster. So expect a movie if the Yanks gets what they deserve.

Oh bloody hell!! I can imagine it now, pass the sick bucket.

American company New England Sports Ventures has completed its takeover of Liverpool Football Club.

The move comes after former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett removed the temporary restraining order blocking the £300m sale on Friday morning.

"I am proud and humbled," said NESV head John W Henry. "I can't tell you how happy I am. We're here to win."

Hicks and Gillett, however, have vowed to pursue £1bn in damages from the club, arguing the deal is "illegal".

The American pair say they will "pursue every legal avenue" to claim damages for what they believe is an "extraordinary swindle".

Still, there was an air of relief as news of NESV's completed purchase emerged - a move that will allow major creditors Royal Bank of Scotland to be paid the £237m it is owed on Friday.

A club statement revealed: "The transaction values the club at £300m and eliminates all of the acquisition debt placed on LFC by its previous owners, reducing the club's debt servicing obligations from £25m-£30m a year to £2m-£3m."

That, in turn, means Liverpool's holding company is unlikely now to be put into administration, a move which could have resulted in a nine-point penalty in the Premier League.

This is a good deal which comprehensively resolves the pressing issue of the club's debt and should give staff, players and fans great confidence

Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton

Henry, facing a media scrum inside the law offices of Slaughter and May in central London, added: "We're going to do a lot of listening, we have a lot to learn, and we'll walk this path together [with the fans].

"We regard our role as that of stewards for the club with a primary focus on returning the club to greatness on and off the field for the long-term.

"We are committed first and foremost to winning. We have a history of winning, and today we want Liverpool supporters to know that this approach is what we intend to bring to this great club."

Chairman Martin Broughton - who revealed he would fulfill "a transitional role while John works out how to run the club" in the foreseeable future - added in a statement: "I am delighted that we have been able to successfully conclude the sale process which has been thorough and extensive.

"The board decided to accept NESV's offer on the basis that it best met the criteria we set out originally for a new owner. NESV is buying Liverpool in order to put it on an excellent financial footing and continue to develop it internationally.

"This is a good deal which comprehensively resolves the pressing issue of the club's debt and should give staff, players and fans great confidence regarding the future of Liverpool FC."
Former owners Hicks and Gillett had earlier lifted the restraining order blocking the club's sale earlier on Friday, but not so that the current board could complete a deal with NESV.

Hicks was believed to be negotiating the sale of his shares with US hedge fund Mill Financial, who already own Gillett's shares after he defaulted on a £75m loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland in August.

But the Premier League rejected Mill's requests to undergo a fit and proper person test on Thursday, saying it could only negotiate with the Liverpool board.

The board - comprising Broughton, managing director Christian Purslow and commercial director Ian Ayre as well as Hicks and Gillett - had already accepted a bid from NESV by three votes to two for them to become the club's new owners.

Hicks and Gillett, who gave up hope of holding on to Liverpool at a court in Dallas on Friday, will not give up without a fight, saying they will sue for at least £1bn.

Steve Stodghill, the Texas lawyer representing Hicks and Gillett, added: "This outcome not only devalues the club but it also will result in long-term uncertainty for the fans, players and everyone who loves this sport because all legal recourses will be pursued.

"Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett pledged to pay the debt to RBS so that the club could avoid administration that was threatened by RBS. That offer was rejected.

"It is a tragic development that others will claim as a victory. This means it won't be resolved the way it should be resolved.

In truth, there is nothing positive from these events for Liverpool Football Club. That is exactly the opposite of what my clients wanted to achieve

The lawyer representing Tom Hicks & George Gillet

"My clients worked tirelessly to resolve these issues but RBS would not listen to any reasonable solution and the directors acted selfishly and illegally. Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett wanted to position this club for the future, but others have a different agenda.

"In truth, there is nothing positive from these events for Liverpool Football Club. That is exactly the opposite of what my clients wanted to achieve."

Hicks and Gillett have continuously sought to prevent the purchase of the club they bought in 2007 for £174m, holding the view that Liverpool is worth much more than the £300m NESV offered.

It looked as though the prospect of it going down to a final day on Friday might be avoided after the latest High Court ruling on Thursday when Mr Justice Floyd issued an anti-suit injunction that rendered Hicks and Gillett's temporary restraining order, which they put in place to try and prevent a sale taking place, ineffective.

But Hicks and Gillett eventually withdrew their restraining order on Friday morning as it became clear Mill Financial would not be able to become Liverpool's new owners.

Liverpool, who face Everton at Goodison Park on Sunday, are in the bottom three in the Premier League table after picking up only six points from their opening seven games.

Good news.

Now we can get back to the football and the small matter of of the Merseyside derby....

Anfield 1929. Liverpool Vs Bolton.
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1967 Merseyside derby at Goodison Park. On this film an experiment is conducted trying out large screens, broadcasting the game live to Anfield. Alan Ball scores for Everton to seal the win.
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One for John MK....
1955 Merseyside derby. Second division Liverpool crush Everton in a 4-0 victory at Goodison. Billy Liddel on the scoresheet.
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1932 shock 2-1 victory for minnows Liverpool Football Club taking on "unbeatable" Everton FC at Goodison Park.
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1972 Scene of Liverpool fans leaving the stadium after a game.
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The world famous Kop in the 1970's
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1965. Liverpool bring the cup home. Incredible scenes of Lime Street station, Castle Street filled with fans and the Town Hall. Yeats lifts the cup and Shanks can be seen overlooking with pride. The following year the cup would return to Liverpool, with Everton FC (see link in the EFC thread).
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1965 6th round FA Cup game putting LFC into the semis is Roger Hunt, at Anfield.
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One for John MK....
1950 FA Cup Semi-Final. Liverpool Vs Everton....in Manchester! (Maine Road).
Liverpool win 2-0 due largely to a dominating display by Billy Liddel.
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1965 cup final in colour. Liverpool beat Leeds 2-1.
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Come On Feel The Noise...



Hicks quote "liverpool fans are a noise we are dealing with .....

Come On Feel The Noise
We are Shankly's Boys
We get wild wild wild
We get wild wild wild..

with a lot of bouncing

And as Paddy McAloon once might've sung:

"Once more, the sound of crying is No. 1 across the park."

:cheers:

Hopefully the Liverpool fans who have been talking to the Americans will put the notion of a groundshare to bed? This should be one of their priorities now? People need to start being vocal now to end this bizarre idea forever.The council need telling straight.

When UEFA fair play on finances rules come in we will bemoan not having high capacity (LFC and EFC).

I'd take groundshare at this point if the stadium was of world class quality and of at least 80,000 seats. To dismiss it out of hand, while we fall further behind the competition int his league, seems a bit daft to me.

When UEFA fair play on finances rules come in we will bemoan not having high capacity (LFC and EFC).

I'd take groundshare at this point if the stadium was of world class quality and of at least 80,000 seats. To dismiss it out of hand, while we fall further behind the competition int his league, seems a bit daft to me.


Groundshare would mean no more than 60,000 mark my words.

Fenway Park.........Last May, my daughter visited friends in Boston , she was taken to see the Red Sox and had a ball:lol:................

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Why were the attendances low again only 33 thousand on Thursday?

There is a certain amount of humerous irony in Liverpudlians admiring pictures of wooden stadiums with obstructed views.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc242/woody43/liverpool%202010/MichelleinBostonUSAMay09028.jpg

Banner from the Napoli game:

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb353/hickshighcourt/1a-600.jpg

^^
My favourite banner in a fair old while. :lol:

It was Woody who posted the pics of Fenway and no Red has commented on them - unless I'm missing something???? :dunno:

It was Woody who posted the pics of Fenway and no Red has commented on them - unless I'm missing something???? :dunno:

I was not having a go with my post there. I have heard quite a few reds (quite rightly) praising Henry for his work in rennovating Fenway, maintaining the heritage element of the park and thought a bit of self-depreciating humour about Goodison was the order of the day.

^^
My favourite banner in a fair old while. :lol:

It was Woody who posted the pics of Fenway and no Red has commented on them - unless I'm missing something???? :dunno:

Was a boss banner that, what was under reported was the shit that was kicking off during and after the game

Another draw against a crap team after a big win. More British players needed?

It was the same in the nineties though with mostly British players.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x267.464/dec_10/pnw__1292508683_boot-6.jpg

Liverpool opens Boot Room Sports Café
16 Dec 2010, 14:15

The new restaurant and bar at Anfield created by Claremont Group Interiors officially opened on Wednesday evening with a party to coincide with the Uefa Europa League game against FC Utrecht.

Claremont was responsible for the design, fit-out and furniture for the 15,000 sq ft project.

See gallery below for a closer look

The bar and restaurant is in the Kop stand and occupies former office space vacated when Liverpool FC took 30,000 sq ft at Rumford's 20 Chapel Street in the city centre. The new office was also fitted out by Claremont.

The design brief for the 230-seater sports café was for a multi-functional and family friendly environment in line with the LFC brand.

Speaking at the event last night, Ian Ayre, commercial director of the football club, said Liverpool was possibly the first club in the country to introduce children's hospitality packages, priced at £50 for a three course meal and ticket to the game.

The Boot Room is a title synonymous with the history of the club, famous as the room where coaching staff would discuss tactics as well as being the place where the players boots were stored.

Included in the brief was the creation of a new reception area and a 'Reducate' classroom which is used to hold workshops for children to help them improve their numeracy, literacy and ICT skills and increase their confidence and self-esteem.

Click on an image to enlarge. Images by Ant Clausen

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Source: Place North West (http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/7917-liverpool-opens-boot-room-sports-caf.html)

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Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!

Pity they dont recognise that the Liverpool Scouse scum/Scouse scum/dirty scousers/Liverpool scum pay that player extremely well.

Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!

Pity they dont recognise that the Liverpool Scouse scum/Scouse scum/dirty scousers/Liverpool scum pay that player extremely well.

....and lots of cockneys and norwegians. :lol:

JOKE!

I can't wait to read PoolCool and Awayo's responses.

Be more interesting to read what John W or Woy says.

They can even send her a message diresctly:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1560827908&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=1560827908

Looks like the press are onto to it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1339446/Paul-Koncheskys-mum-allegedly-calls-Liverpool-fans-scouse-scum-Facebook.html

Be more interesting to read what John W or Woy says.

I bumped into John Henry in The Resturant Bar & Grill last Friday.

Seems like a nice fella.

Can't wait for the Echo campaign against this shocking racism.

Chief reporters looking into rumoured Manc links as we speak.

As for Woy, he is unavailable for comment, as he keeps picking up the TV remote controll when he hears the phone going and shouting "HEWOW!? HEWOW!?.....oh it's another pwank call Margewet!"

How long before we get an apology?

How long before we get an apology?

Could be a while as Southerners are always right, or think they are.

Looks like the press are onto to it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1339446/Paul-Koncheskys-mum-allegedly-calls-Liverpool-fans-scouse-scum-Facebook.html

and

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/12/18/paul-konchesky-s-mother-carol-brands-lfc-fans-scouse-scum-in-facebook-tirade-100252-27845673/

Oedipus, schmoedipus, what does it matter so long as the boy loves his mother?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1214.snc4/156618_1807009579113_1356142487_32140987_473289_n.jpg

Yes please :)


£6M off lfc.

€8M off Inter.

Nice........

There will be a lot of Evertonians crossing every finger and toe and praying for this guy to become Liverpool manager again.

Not me like, i'm not that bitter! :lol:

There will be a lot of Evertonians crossing every finger and toe and praying for this guy to become Liverpool manager again.

Not me like, i'm not that bitter! :lol:

please tell me why in detail....

please tell me why in detail....


It's all based on the average Everton fan buying into the British media perception of Benitez as a poor manager.

It's all based on the average Everton fan buying into the British media perception of Benitez as a poor manager.

Not just the British media, Inter Milan share the view too.

Not just the British media, Inter Milan share the view too.


Taking the job in the first place was his biggest mistake at Inter, a poisoned chalice. What was quite apparent is that he didn't seem that arsed about it all, and even thanked the Liverpool fans when he won the World Club Cup the other day. He is still a young manager with a sparkling CV.

please tell me why in detail....

Mourinho left him a treble winning side of European Champions (a club who won Serie A four seasons on the trot).

They currently sit 7th (on goal difference - or joint 9th on match points). 13 points behind a fairly average Rossaneri.

Your current manager is issuing statements saying that the previous managers transfer policies MUST not be replicated.

IF I was a bitter bluenose, I would have my fingers crossed for his return, as it would be disasterous.

I hope for your sake that some stability comes into the club, Hodgeson is given more time and respect....or if things don't work out, they get an altogether new manager.

It's all based on the average Everton fan buying into the British media perception of Benitez as a poor manager.

....and many Liverpudlians and ex LFC Pros.

Benitez is on holiday in his mansion thats all can we just forget about it now.

8 million pounds in severence pay for leaving behind that Liverpool squad and for steering treble winners to be on level points with 9th and 13 points off the title at Christmas. :lol:

....at a time when people all over Europe are loosing their livelyhoods for something that wasn't their fault.

Isn't football amazing. :ohno:

John the Milkman is going to have a nice tip this year though, I reckon.

Rafa's not on holiday. He's at home.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bringbackrafa/signatures






Rafa's not on holiday. He's at home.

Was it you that wrote this....


Name: Rafa Fan No 1 on Dec 24, 2010
Comments: I saw him in West Kirkby today, walking his dog. It was amazing to see how much respect he had for the dog, and in turn the dog respected him back. He was firm yet gentle, he poured his very soul into walking that dog and it was a privilege to see it. When the dog needed to shit, Rafa dropped his y-fronts and curled a steamer out too, right next to the dog, to show him he understood what it was all about and was with him every step of the way. Bystanders shouted abuse at him for doing it, but they don't understand the passion of the man and are just led by a vile media campaign to belittle this dog walking genius. He would fight for this dog, die for it. And in return that dog would go to war for Rafa. Other domestic pets and even some wild animals looked on in awe and envy as Rafa guided his dog all the way to Asda, where he promptly dropped £653.27 on a loaf of bread, a pint of milk and the Beano. Some might say he overpaid, but that's bullshit, if anything he should've been given another £100 so he could afford that Walnut Whip he wanted. He was even gracious enough to throw 13p at the beggar outside. Once I got home I called the family into the living room, popped on my "Best of Rafa" DVD and we all sat around bawling our eyes out at the sheer magnitude of the mans dignity. Then bravely wiped away our tears and we held hands and sang YNWA, the most stirring, emotional rendition I've ever heard, and lit a candle for Rafa. Merry Christmas to you Rafael Benitez, you are my everything.

vile media campaign to belittle this dog walking genius.

Must have been Yoshef actually.

Crank.

I thought West Kirby was his home?

Served me some great tapas there once.

Rafa's CV

2001-2002 La Liga winner
2003-2004 La Liga winner
2003-2004 UEFA Cup winner
2004-2005 Champions League, League Cup final
2005-2006 UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup
2006-2007 Champions League finalist
2007-2008 Champions Legaue semi-finalist
2008-2009 Premier League runner up, Champions League quarter finalist
2009-2010 Liverpool slide toward administration, for some reason the manager is blamed

It always amazes me how little credit Benitez gets for building up a team that could put 4 goals past Chelsea, Man United, Real Madrid and Arsenal, beat Chelsea, Man United and Real Madrid home and away in 2009, and finish the season as top scorers in the league by a clear 10 goals.

I have never said that Rafael Benitez is not a good coach. Very clearly he is and at the end of the day he has the pots to proove it. It is everything else that comes along with him, such as the politiking at every club he has managed.


2009-2010 Liverpool slide toward administration, for some reason the manager is blamed

Regardless of "net spend" (which will obviously now be brought up), he spent over 150 million on a load of dross. The players he signed were not good enough and that is seasoned ex-pros who won everything in the game's opinion (Molby, Hansen, Lawrenson, St John, Aldridge....all of them bemoaned his transfer policy).
Hodgeson is now having to deal with the effects of that.

From this....

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2010/6/21/1277148212062/Roy-Hodgson-Fulham-manage-006.jpg


To this....

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00516/pg-48-hodgson-getty_516544t.jpg



....in 6 months.

I feel sorry for the guy.

Oh come on. You'll be posting a pic of 'Arry Redknapp in six months the way Frosty the Hodgson is melting..

I have never said that Rafael Benitez is not a good coach. Very clearly he is and at the end of the day he has the pots to proove it. It is everything else that comes along with him, such as the politiking at every club he has managed.


There was very little trouble behind the scenes at Liverpool until Hicks & Gillett arrived on the scene waving borrowed money around in front of the cameras, and lining up Klinnsman to replace him. You seemed to have missed those 3 years out.



Regardless of "net spend" (which will obviously now be brought up), he spent over 150 million on a load of dross. The players he signed were not good enough and that is seasoned ex-pros who won everything in the game's opinion (Molby, Hansen, Lawrenson, St John, Aldridge....all of them bemoaned his transfer policy).



You say his net spend was £150 million. The accounts say £63m.

http://apture.s3.amazonaws.com/0000012bda7b64ea0f96d3db007f000000000001.Benitez%20transfer%20spending%20under%20H%2BG.png


As for the "dross", he brought in a lot of young players into the reserves because the academy wasn't under his control, and wasn't producing players of sufficient quality. These young players seemed to have been labelled "dross" by many comentators, even tho many of them have been sold on for profit.

Other "dross" seems to revolve around players signed on free transfers like Voronin, Zenden, Maxi, etc... I can only think of a handful of players who could genuinely be described as dross.

As for "ex-pros", compare all those ex-pros management records with Rafa. Few of them actually know the modern game, let alone managed in that situation. I remember the likes of Tommy Smith going on about rotation, and how in his day the same team played every game. He can hardly walk now. The only ex-pro's opinion worth mentioning is Kenny's, and he rarely had a bad word to say about Rafa. The fact is most of the others are more likely to stick up for current players who are their mates, Gerrard & Carragher, than a manager they rarely see. They're just repeating the same tired old rubbish Andy Gray spouts on the TV. It used to be zonal marking, then it was rotation, then it was Steven Gerrard's position, now its £150million worth of dross. The "I don't understand it so it must be wrong" theory.

The fact is if Benitez hadn't have wheeled and dealed, we'd still be playing with Biscan, Traore, Baros, Smicer, Henchoz, and all those other star names that went on to play for Barcelona and Madrid, and three new £20 million signings.


Hodgeson is now having to deal with the effects of that.

From this....

....in 6 months.

I feel sorry for the guy.


Hodgson is so out of touch with the modern game it's ridiculous, and from the same back slapping British manager clique as Allardyce, Moyes, Redknapp, Ferguson etc..

Mourinho left him a treble winning side of European Champions (a club who won Serie A four seasons on the trot).

They currently sit 7th (on goal difference - or joint 9th on match points). 13 points behind a fairly average Rossaneri.

Your current manager is issuing statements saying that the previous managers transfer policies MUST not be replicated.

IF I was a bitter bluenose, I would have my fingers crossed for his return, as it would be disasterous.

I hope for your sake that some stability comes into the club, Hodgeson is given more time and respect....or if things don't work out, they get an altogether new manager.


Rebuilding LFC from scratch and the grassroots to give it the integrity that was seen week in week out in the 70's and 80's will always beat one night on the tiles in Europe.

Rebuilding LFC from scratch and the grassroots to give it the integrity that was seen week in week out in the 70's and 80's will always beat one night on the tiles in Europe.


The thing is that was what Rafa wanted, but they wouldn't let him have a say in the coaching in the academy until 2009, when he started bringing in some proper coaches from already successful setups, like Rodolfo Borrell from Barcelona. Previously he bought young players for the reserves to compensate for the autonomous academy setup.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/academy/staff/rodolfo-borrell

There are now some very good quality youngsters at the club now like Suso and De Silva, but Rafa will get little credit for them if they ever make it to the first team. The danger now is Hodgson will sideline the foreign youngsters for athletic but unskilled English players.

They from around Wavertree? :?

Oh come on. You'll be posting a pic of 'Arry Redknapp in six months the way Frosty the Hodgson is melting..


Roy's freakshow, the Magic Face Rub (tm) followed by Boff'n'Sniff (tm)


aav46Lek0Rs

There was very little trouble behind the scenes at Liverpool until Hicks & Gillett arrived on the scene waving borrowed money around in front of the cameras, and lining up Klinnsman to replace him. You seemed to have missed those 3 years out.

I'm told by people who work at a high level at the club, that this is not the case and that towards the end senior player wanted him gone.

....and my source for that is Player Liason Officers who work with the players on a daily basis. The players would not want Benitez back.

You say his net spend was £150 million.

No I didn't

As for the "dross", he brought in a lot of young players into the reserves because the academy wasn't under his control, and wasn't producing players of sufficient quality. These young players seemed to have been labelled "dross" by many comentators, even tho many of them have been sold on for profit.

The squad is not good enough and Liverpool were going backwards. Most people who are not deluded or paranoid about some media conspiracy see this.

As for "ex-pros", compare all those ex-pros management records with Rafa. Few of them actually know the modern game, let alone managed in that situation.

They won multiple titles. I think they know enough to pass comment.

I remember the likes of Tommy Smith going on about rotation, and how in his day the same team played every game. He can hardly walk now.

He's been a heavy drinker all his life and played in totally different circumstances. With the dieticians, sports physiology, much better conditioning training and the sport becoming virtually non-contact compared to Smiths days, I fail to see your point.

Landon Donavon has just completed 2 years of football all over the world including the World Cup without a break.

The only ex-pro's opinion worth mentioning is Kenny's, and he rarely had a bad word to say about Rafa.

They should have given him the job in my opinion.

Hodgson is so out of touch with the modern game it's ridiculous, and from the same back slapping British manager clique as Allardyce, Moyes, Redknapp, Ferguson etc..

He knew enough to drag Fulham to a major final on a pittance. I wonder what his "net spend" was?



Rafael Benitez is a decent coach and tactician, particularly in cup competitions. He is also a fine man having put his hand in his pockets to stick £96,000 into the Hilsborough Rememberance Fund, but he is clearly not the person to bring glory back to Liverpool.

"net spend" is largely irrelevant. Rafa Benitez over the course of his time at Liverpool purchased £150million + worth of players. Managers are not judged on how much money a club manages to recoup from various duds that have had to be offloaded.

They are judged on other things such as the overall effect they have on clubs. Benitez is a chequebook manager who has politiked at every club he has been at. We all remember the "I wanted a table, they gave me a lampshade" comment at Valencia. He then did the same at Liverpool saying each year that they needed to invest more and more, towards the end even arguing that the squad he himself had put together was not good enough.

Now he's been fired for arguing that a treble winning side of European Champions is not good enough. He claimed in order to take that squad forward he needed another 5 players.

It is his major flaw as a manager and it does great harm to a club.

I predict that he won't manage another top club again (by which I mean any of the top 2 clubs in the strongest leagues in the world - Serie A, EPL, La Liga). At a stretch, I can see him at somewhere like Bayern.

His reputation has been shattered.

^^

Oh fuck! Nostradamus is at it again.

Out of interest, would you have him back Joe?

If the options were, keep Hodgeson, give Rafa another go, or hire another top manager, what would your choice be?

Benitez over Hodgson any day.

Not aware of many Reds who would disagree. Another top manager? That's a different kettle of fish. But I doubt many would be preferred to Rafa.

....and many Liverpudlians and ex LFC Pros.

All ex- pro and present pros are even stupider than you(and that's really saying something)

Nothing these worldclass shitheads say should be listened to. EVER

I have never said that Rafael Benitez is not a good coach. Very clearly he is and at the end of the day he has the pots to proove it. It is everything else that comes along with him, such as the politiking at every club he has managed.




Regardless of "net spend" (which will obviously now be brought up), he spent over 150 million on a load of dross. The players he signed were not good enough and that is seasoned ex-pros who won everything in the game's opinion (Molby, Hansen, Lawrenson, St John, Aldridge....all of them bemoaned his transfer policy).
Hodgeson is now having to deal with the effects of that.

From this....

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2010/6/21/1277148212062/Roy-Hodgson-Fulham-manage-006.jpg


To this....

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00516/pg-48-hodgson-getty_516544t.jpg



....in 6 months.

I feel sorry for the guy.

You just repeat everything the london media spouts. You think your being clever. You really are so fucking stupid.

First off, why are you so interested in Rafa? It's intriguing

I'm told by people who work at a high level at the club, that this is not the case and that towards the end senior player wanted him gone.

....and my source for that is Player Liason Officers who work with the players on a daily basis. The players would not want Benitez back.



I know the story very well. The players do not run Liverpool football club. They never have, and never will. The whole thing blew out of proportion largely down to the Managing Director, Christian Purslow. If that had happened under any other Liverpool manager or any other Chief Exec, nothing would have come of it. Why? Players unhappy with the manager get shipped out, or stuck in the reserves. The manager runs the team, not the players. The players play for Liverpool football club. It is an honour and a privilege to pull on the red shirt and play your heart out for the club. It is not a fecking holiday camp, and it is not a democracy. If Christian Purslow had rightly backed up Benitez the "dressing room revolt" (largely Carragher & to a lesser extent Gerrard) would've been nipped in the bud straight away. Can you imagine that happening under Shankly or Paisley? No, neither can I. It's a bullshit excuse.

Instead Benitez gets shafted, blamed for everything and shown the door. Purslow hands his mate Carrager a nice juicy "retirement" contract the day before NESV bought us. It stinks.

It didn't resolve the problem either. Turns out the all the players didn't want Benitez gone, only a few of them. Mascherano didn't want Benitez out. Torres didn't want Benitez out. Reina didn't want Benitez out. Lucas didn't. Agger didn't, etc...

Houllier gave the game away the other day. "The boys are happier under Roy". The Boys? Who are the only two players left at the club from his regime? I'm sure all Liverpool fans should be happier that the boys can play out their remaining days in the loving, comforting arms of Roy, whilst the club slips down the table. After all, the boys have earnt that right, haven't they.



The squad is not good enough and Liverpool were going backwards. Most people who are not deluded or paranoid about some media conspiracy see this.


There's a chart up there showing you the lack of investment in his last 2 years. Look at it, read, and understand. Don't ignore it, it happened. It's real. Stop pretending it didn't. It's getting silly.

The squad started the 2009-2010 season as many people's favourites for the league. Benitez's biggest mistake that season was not replacing Alonso with a player of sufficient quality. But how do you replace a £30 million player with £20million? He took a punt on Aquilani and it didn't work out.



They won multiple titles. I think they know enough to pass comment.


No, they played football in teams that won multiple titles. Some of them were managed by successful managers such as Kenny, Bob, Bill and Joe.

Take one of the 'crew' of critics that has actually managed at the top level: Graeme Souness. An utter disaster of a manager. Why do people take him so seriously?



He's been a heavy drinker all his life and played in totally different circumstances. With the dieticians, sports physiology, much better conditioning training and the sport becoming virtually non-contact compared to Smiths days, I fail to see your point.

Odd. You've agreed with my point, but fail to see it. "He played in totally different circumstances". There you go.

I'm sure the likes of Djibril Cisse would agree that the game is virtually "non-contact".


Landon Donavon has just completed 2 years of football all over the world including the World Cup without a break.


Good for him. I'm sure he's made of iron. Or wood. Or rubber. Are you saying rotation doesn't work? Why does Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger, Ancellotti, nearly ever top manager use it? Why was Rafa and Ranieri the only managers ever slated for using it?


He knew enough to drag Fulham to a major final on a pittance. I wonder what his "net spend" was?


His tactics are shite, out of touch, and they're better suited teams battling for relegation. He's been doing the same thing for 30 odd years. The reason you don't know his "net" spend is obvious - it is not published in the newspaper everytime he plays. Why is that? Why do they publish Benitez's net spend so often, and not other managers? Can't be an agenda can it.

With regards to Hodgson, he's hardly been criticised in the newspapers. It's odd. I wonder why?



Rafael Benitez is a decent coach and tactician, particularly in cup competitions. He is also a fine man having put his hand in his pockets to stick £96,000 into the Hilsborough Rememberance Fund, but he is clearly not the person to bring glory back to Liverpool.


Why? He has won two La Liga's, against Barcelona and Real Madrid.


"net spend" is largely irrelevant. Rafa Benitez over the course of his time at Liverpool purchased £150million + worth of players. Managers are not judged on how much money a club manages to recoup from various duds that have had to be offloaded.


Net spend is the money invested in transfers. He traded his players to build up his team.

It is gross spend that is irrelevent, as it is skewed by a large number of transactions. There are some complete weapons that believe Hicks & Gillet wrote him a cheque for £150million and said " go on Rafa, go and buy the best players in the world" and Rafa came back with Crouch, Zenden and Pennant, and got them to the Champions League Final again. I mean, for goodness sake, are people really that thick? If you buy and sell a bottle of coke for £1, one hundred times, at what point did you have £100 ?

Managers are judged by their clubs performance and trophies. Unless your name is Rafael Benitez, whereby you're judged by how many times you rotate, how many zany tactics you use that confuse poor old Andy "I don't know what it is so it must be wrong" Gray, what your gross spend is, how many players you buy and sell... etc...


They are judged on other things such as the overall effect they have on clubs. Benitez is a chequebook manager who has politiked at every club he has been at. We all remember the "I wanted a table, they gave me a lampshade" comment at Valencia. He then did the same at Liverpool saying each year that they needed to invest more and more, towards the end even arguing that the squad he himself had put together was not good enough.



The politiking might have been a problem, BUT I think it is well overstated. You seem to forget that it was Benitez that blew up Hicks & Gillett's little charade, and if he hadn't had made a scene after the Champions League final we probably would not have gotten Torres.

As for him being a chequebook manager, well you're entitled to your somewhat biased and silly opinion I suppose. Somewhere along the line people seem to forget what he achieved at both clubs prior to the last 18 months. At Valencia he had a director of football buying players for him. But even given that, Valencia took Liverpool apart when we played them under him before he joined us. It was breathtaking football, no team in the Prem played anywhere near that level, apart from maybe Arsenal at their best. It wasn't so much their quality players, it was the way they played. It was a team playing as one unit, like a machine, but in such a way that the opposition couldn't get anywhere near them. If they lost the ball they were all over your team until they got it straight back. He eventually got Liverpool doing that on and off in the 2008-2009 season, before the wheels fell off. I'd bet he'd have put them back on again though with a few quid.




Now he's been fired for arguing that a treble winning side of European Champions is not good enough. He claimed in order to take that squad forward he needed another 5 players.

It is his major flaw as a manager and it does great harm to a club.

Agree that he hasn't covered himself in glory there, despite his two cups. That outburst was a little too obvious for me, it was obvious he was on his way out. Picking up Mourinho's team was a massive mistake in the first place.



I predict that he won't manage another top club again (by which I mean any of the top 2 clubs in the strongest leagues in the world - Serie A, EPL, La Liga). At a stretch, I can see him at somewhere like Bayern.


Mystic Meg is back at it huh?


His reputation has been shattered.

His "reputation" in the UK was one of a bumbling scheming dolt. I'm pretty sure getting himself fired from Inter just reinforces that media image of him.

All credit to him in Istanbul, but ultimately Benitez failed at Liverpool. Mediocrity who blames everyone else.

All credit to him in Istanbul, but ultimately Benitez failed at Liverpool. Mediocrity who blames everyone else.


A Riise own goal away from a 3rd European Cup final in 4 years, that's mediocrity for you. :weird:

You'll be pleased to know that Benitez is due to visit Anfield next week :)

All credit to him in Istanbul, but ultimately Benitez failed at Liverpool. Mediocrity who blames everyone else.

I think we know were the population of Bootle stand on this, now, with their demi-god, Carra the 'character'.

But, for the rest of us, it's only the club that matters. Not the selfish, self indulgent shenanigans of, an, lets be honest here, ignorant scally mouth.

Talk of this lucky scumbag becoming a top boss, is beyond deluded and seems to pander to london media "Scouse stereotyping".

Who started all this talk, anyway? Very suspicious. They're using the clique minded to cause a lot of trouble, again.

It's amazing, the way winning the Europan cup has become easy in the mind of the easily led.

It took london FIFTY years to get a (losing) finalist. They weren't (minglish)champs either.

These people are now telling us that progress in the CL is akin to an fa cup run! How mixed up can you get?

So the fa cup win was of no value now aswell? The first fa cup win over manure in 83 years, a 7-0 away win at brucie's brum in the quarters and knocking out Chelsea in the semis, all "of no consequence"!

Another final in '07, that hardly merits a mention for these asses. Knocking out champs Barca, beating them at the Camp Nou, KO'ing the Arse's conquerers, PSV, including a 3-0 thrashing for them at their ground and beating Chelski in the semi, despite having kuyt's perfectly good goal ruled out in extra time. Then to lose the final to what can only be described as CHEATING.

Going back to the FA cup final, how come Lfc's comebacks were continually described as robbery(more Scouse hatred) even though west ham goals were all flukes and Lfc's classic's. Also, what about Crouch's perfectly good goal being ruled out when we were trailing 2-0, one of them goals being an OG by the "mouth on no legs".

I think we know were the population of Bootle stand on this, now, with their demi-god, Carra the 'character'.

But, for the rest of us, it's only the club that matters. Not the selfish, self indulgent shenanigans of, an, lets be honest here, ignorant scally mouth.

Talk of this lucky scumbag becoming a top boss, is beyond deluded and seems to pander to london media "Scouse stereotyping".

Who started all this talk, anyway? Very suspicious. They're using the clique minded to cause a lot of trouble, again.

He's an Evertonian and he is said to hamper for a career in the media in dat der London.

THE PLOT THICKENS!

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It would make an interesting and no doubt funny book to to record this exercise in mass(idiot)manipulation.

I've never seen or heard so much bullshit repeated in the face of such evidence to the contrary.

First off, why are you so interested in Rafa? It's intriguing

I'm interested in football, particularly Merseyside football. There really isn't anything more sinister about it than that. I appreciate that in these modern partizan times, people are not supposed to pass comment on other clubs and if they do, immediately it is seen as suspicious and an agenda behind it. I can asssure you there really isn't and i'd like to see both Merseyside clubs do well.

I have close friends who work at both clubs. I know people at both clubs. I have friends who work in sports media (local media not dem orrible Manc-neys).

It is something i'm very interested in.

I know the story very well. The players do not run Liverpool football club. They never have, and never will. The whole thing blew out of proportion largely down to the Managing Director, Christian Purslow. If that had happened under any other Liverpool manager or any other Chief Exec, nothing would have come of it. Why? Players unhappy with the manager get shipped out, or stuck in the reserves. The manager runs the team, not the players.

The problem here is that you are partly right. Your comments about Purslow for example. Also the issue is clouded by the fact that the club has recently been in the hands of people who should never have been allowed anywhere near it, so Benitez' politiking is just one part of multiple issues going on at the same time and to a certain extent is even reasonable.

You do however, underestimate player power greatly. If key players like Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Javier (yes...Mascherano), Agger, Dirk and Fernando and a number of others decide that they do not like the managers methods, it is a problem.

If a few of them had slapped in a transfer request AT THAT TIME what do you think would have been the backlash against the people running the club at the time?

It would not have been a case of "They should just play for the shirt". It would have been an escalation by SoS and the crisis getting even bigger and potentially out of control.

As I alluded to before I am friends with people in the clubs administration. People who have been at the club for decades (i.e. NOT people brought in for Hicks/Gillett). One of my mates is the son of the former head player liason officer at LFC who has only very recently just moved to work with Gerard at Villa. I know people who work on the coaching staff and I have mates at the accademy. I can assure you that there is another side to the whole story.

It is an honour and a privilege to pull on the red shirt and play your heart out for the club. It is not a fecking holiday camp, and it is not a democracy. If Christian Purslow had rightly backed up Benitez the "dressing room revolt" (largely Carragher & to a lesser extent Gerrard) would've been nipped in the bud straight away.

Purslow was a disaster for LFC.

Can you imagine that happening under Shankly or Paisley? No, neither can I.

Again, they were operating in very different circumstances where players had no power and worked a very hard job that ended very early with nowhere near the pay and bonuses paid out today.

For someone who is criticising Hodgeson for being totally out of touch with modern football, that is a pretty daft statement to make.

Instead Benitez gets shafted, blamed for everything and shown the door. Purslow hands his mate Carrager a nice juicy "retirement" contract the day before NESV bought us. It stinks.

Benitez was becoming a problem at the club, trust me. I agree that the Hicks/Purslow/Gillett administration should have gone well before Rafa, but trust me Benitez would have followed them out the door soon after.

It didn't resolve the problem either. Turns out the all the players didn't want Benitez gone, only a few of them. Mascherano didn't want Benitez out. Torres didn't want Benitez out. Reina didn't want Benitez out. Lucas didn't. Agger didn't, etc...

You wrong on that one.

Houllier gave the game away the other day. "The boys are happier under Roy". The Boys? Who are the only two players left at the club from his regime? I'm sure all Liverpool fans should be happier that the boys can play out their remaining days in the loving, comforting arms of Roy, whilst the club slips down the table. After all, the boys have earnt that right, haven't they.

Rightly or wrongly the fans would go ballistic if Gerrard and/or Torres was allowed to go because they were not kept happy at the club. Top players know this which is a big problem in the game.

There's a chart up there showing you the lack of investment in his last 2 years. Look at it, read, and understand. Don't ignore it, it happened. It's real. Stop pretending it didn't. It's getting silly.

I've not denied his net spend have I Yoshef?

Yoshef at the end of the day Rafael Benitez bought the players he did and he spent £150 million + in doing so. No-one held a gun to his head and forced him to, he could have saved money back. He could have purchased one or two world class players per season and got by. He bought dross and then rotated.

We can disagree on whether or not rotation works or not. We can argue the point that he recouped a lot (though why did he HAVE to sell? Because the players weren't up to scratch). The fact remains he spent a lot of money at Liverpool on players that were not good enough. Most Liverpool fans I know agree with this point now. I don't think they are the type that get brainwashed by the London media.

Furthermoe I know people on the current coaching staff who do not believe the current squad is good enough.

Odd. You've agreed with my point, but fail to see it. "He played in totally different circumstances". There you go.

You argued that Tommy Smith was wrong to criticise Rafa for his squad rotation because he can barely walk now for playing constantly. I'm argueing that he played in times before advanced sports science and medicine and when, undeniably, it was a rougher sport.

Landon Donovan, David Beckham and other players that keep themselves fit are able to play many games in the modern age as things are different now.

I happen to believe that Liverpool would have done better if they had a stable regular starting line. I wouldn't just criticise Benitez alone on that though as,

A) Benitez had multiple cup competitions and European football to contend with meaning some rotation was neccesary. Also had some injury problems to deal with.
B) It is something that David Moyes does that frustrates the hell out of me. In general I am of the, just pick your best players as often as they are fit, school of thought.

I'm sure the likes of Djibril Cisse would agree that the game is virtually "non-contact".

Very rare example mate. Clutching at straws there methinks.


Good for him. I'm sure he's made of iron. Or wood. Or rubber. Are you saying rotation doesn't work? Why does Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger, Ancellotti, nearly ever top manager use it? Why was Rafa and Ranieri the only managers ever slated for using it?

Ferguson has the squad to do it. I'm not sure why Arsene does it, maybe in part to blood his young players that he depends on developing, but he's won little of late so probably a poor example. Mourinho also has a squad to select from, he is infamous for ensuring that he always has two world class players per position.

Here I must make it very clear that Benitez in comparisson has not had the same funds available. It would be unfair not to.

However! Let us also make one thing clear. Rightly or wrongly managers are paid to work within the ecconomic constraints of the club. That is life.
Liverpool FC are not a rich club. They were owned by a guy who couldn't keep up with the big powers in football. He then sold, mistakenly, to two scumbag shysters (now be fair to me Yoshef and acknowledge that I have called for them to be booted out on this forum for some time).

His tactics are shite, out of touch, and they're better suited teams battling for relegation. He's been doing the same thing for 30 odd years.

He is the right man for Liverpool FC now. Whoever is to blame for it, he has inherited a fairly mediocre side and now needs to stabilize the club. He was hired to do that as his experience, as you mentioned is suited to battling teams.

Going forward I have no idea if he is the man to take things forward, but I do believe he should be shown respect. Liverpool fans have always given this to their managers and this tradition should continue going forward.

With regards to Hodgson, he's hardly been criticised in the newspapers. It's odd. I wonder why?

Possibly because people feel sympathy for someone being criticised 6 months into a difficult job.

Why do you think it is? Because he's from dat der London?

The politiking might have been a problem, BUT I think it is well overstated. You seem to forget that it was Benitez that blew up Hicks & Gillett's little charade, and if he hadn't had made a scene after the Champions League final we probably would not have gotten Torres.

A fair point.

As for him being a chequebook manager, well you're entitled to your somewhat biased and silly opinion I suppose.

It's not a biased opinion. He won't be coming back to Liverpool partly because the club needs stability and an end to constant crisis. Partly because NESW do not have the kind of funds available to start a "project" with Benitez.

Somewhere along the line people seem to forget what he achieved at both clubs prior to the last 18 months. At Valencia he had a director of football buying players for him. But even given that, Valencia took Liverpool apart when we played them under him before he joined us. It was breathtaking football, no team in the Prem played anywhere near that level, apart from maybe Arsenal at their best.

Indeed it shouldn't be forgotten. Would you at least acknowledge then, that when those responsibilitys are removed from him and he is strictly limited to coaching and he gets down to doing just that, that he does very well?

When things don't work out and he starts politiking THATS the problem.

It wasn't so much their quality players, it was the way they played. It was a team playing as one unit, like a machine, but in such a way that the opposition couldn't get anywhere near them. If they lost the ball they were all over your team until they got it straight back. He eventually got Liverpool doing that on and off in the 2008-2009 season, before the wheels fell off. I'd bet he'd have put them back on again though with a few quid.

Perhaps. As I say the problems at Liverpool FC were many and varied towards the end.

Agree that he hasn't covered himself in glory there, despite his two cups. That outburst was a little too obvious for me, it was obvious he was on his way out. Picking up Mourinho's team was a massive mistake in the first place.

Yep.

His "reputation" in the UK was one of a bumbling scheming dolt. I'm pretty sure getting himself fired from Inter just reinforces that media image of him.

Yep.

It would make an interesting and no doubt funny book to to record this exercise in mass(idiot)manipulation.

You're doing a fine job of it yourself matey!

http://img.youtube.com/vi/NIm8qNirTOk/0.jpg

You've not actually told me anything I haven't heard before.

At the end of the day it was a bunch of players and coaches who closed ranks on him. You alluded to the problem with the club when you said you knew people who had been their decades. As soon as he started changing things around, some of the academy staff closed rank on him. "He's arrogant, doesn't talk to people", yada yada etc... I've heard it called a revolt, but it is more akin to a mutiny. The board would've fired all those coaches had that happened in Sir John Smith's day, or at least he'd have put them in their place, or even diplomatically sorted out. Even Parry would've done something. Purslow? No, to him Benitez is a bad manager, and he knows better.

The fact is the academy was shite, and Benitez was right to want it sorted out. Comolli will no doubt get the same grief when he starts meddling.

As for unhappy players, no transfer requests were submitted and that only goes to highlight Purslow acting against the manager and indeed the club. Poor little mites, fancy big bad Rafa criticising them in the press.

Funny how a certain "unhappy" player gained a nice juicy contract a day before the administration deadline though, isn't it?

As for Roy, the fact you're defending him, says to me you're on a piss take. Even Dalglish thought it was such a poor choice that he threw his CV in to. The appointment was made by, yes, that man Purslow again.

and Benitez leaving a bad squad? You're talking through you're arse. Most of the squad he left finished 2nd not 2 seasons ago.

Benitez is a fairly decent manager, but the Liverpool fan devotion is pretty cringeworthy.

Benitez is a fairly decent manager, but the Liverpool fan devotion is pretty cringeworthy.

Shanks, Paisley and Fagan were 'fairly decent managers' too. The difference is the people running the club in their day stuck to looking after the finances and letting the manager sort out the football side.

You've not actually told me anything I haven't heard before.

At the end of the day it was a bunch of players and coaches who closed ranks on him. You alluded to the problem with the club when you said you knew people who had been their decades. As soon as he started changing things around, some of the academy staff closed rank on him. "He's arrogant, doesn't talk to people", yada yada etc... I've heard it called a revolt, but it is more akin to a mutiny. The board would've fired all those coaches had that happened in Sir John Smith's day, or at least he'd have put them in their place, or even diplomatically sorted out. Even Parry would've done something. Purslow? No, to him Benitez is a bad manager, and he knows better.

The fact is the academy was shite, and Benitez was right to want it sorted out. Comolli will no doubt get the same grief when he starts meddling.

As for the players, well the fact that players were unhappy yet no transfer requests were submitted only goes to highlight the fact that Purslow was acting against the manager and indeed the club. Poor little mites, fancy big bad Rafa criticising them in the press.

Funny how a certain "unhappy" player gained a nice juicy contract a day before the administration deadline though, isn't it?

As for Roy, the fact you're defending him, says to me you're on a piss take. Even Dalglish thought it was such a poor choice that he threw his CV in to. The appointment was made by, yes, that man Purslow again.

and Benitez leaving a bad squad? You're talking through you're arse. Most of the squad he left finished 2nd not 2 seasons ago.


What i'm told by people who work at the club every day and have done for years is that one of the very first things identified by the new administration, was a big problem with the transfer policy and the squad left behind, going back years.

To be fair it would be simplifying things to say that Comolli has been brought in to clean up the mess, there are other reasons as well. I've been told he's been brought in as much for his standing in the game and relationships with people within it. Also the new owners do not want to be taken to the cleaners on deals and this guy is a shrewd character and negotiator. But make no mistake about it, he has been brought in for a reason. What was going on was unsustainable.

And you are in denial if you think that Rafa had nothing to do with that.

Shanks, Paisley and Fagan were 'fairly decent managers' too. The difference is the people running the club in their day stuck to looking after the finances and letting the manager sort out the football side.

Shanks, Paisley and Fagan were THE BEST of managers, one offs, and what you say is very true, but sadly we have to deal with the world we live in today and there are different commercial sensitivities involved.

Clubs nowadays are not playthings of benevolent community leaders. They are huge PLC's or consortium backed brands with an ecconomic value. There is also more stress to being a manager due to the extra stuff that is involved.

As I mentioned above when Benitez was relieved of some of those pressures he thrived. I have never said he is a poor coach or tactician.

Incidently Shanks unfortunately did not win every battles with his board. Retiring to spend time with Nessy is only part of the story and he was regularly told he couldn't have players he wanted.

We'll have to leave it there and disagree, have a good Christmas Yoshef.

What i'm told by people who work at the club every day and have done for years is that one of the very first things identified by the new administration, was a big problem with the transfer policy and the squad left behind, going back years.


Henry has said that in multiple press conferences, it is no a secret. The greatest cost to the club in player outlay is the wage bill, and the mistakes he is alluding to are ageing or injury prone players being handed long, expensive contracts. That is not something peculiar to Rafa, in fact the most obvious examples of that in the squad at the moment are contracts organised by Hodgson or Purslow - Cole, Konchesky, Aurelio, Poulsen and Carragher.



To be fair it would be simplifying things to say that Comolli has been brought in to clean up the mess, there are other reasons as well. I've been told he's been brought in as much for his standing in the game and relationships with people within it. Also the new owners do not want to be taken to the cleaners on deals and this guy is a shrewd character and negotiator. But make no mistake about it, he has been brought in for a reason. What was going on was unsustainable.


Comolli being brought in is a no brainer for Henry, he is mates with Billy Beane, someone who John W Henry tried to hire for the Red Sox. Comolli uses methods similar to the sabremetrics system employed successfully at the Red Sox, in order to identify good players. He is there to buy and sell players, direct the clubs football strategy across the board, academy, reserves etc.. and ensure continuity across managers. In theory the club would not require expensive "team" rebuilds everytime they let a manager go.

I personally think Rafa would have problems operating under that system, as it is something he wanted to do himself, so I don't expect to see him back unless he changes his philosophy or is happy with the setup.


The story about Benitez ruffling feathers at the academy is here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8611991.stm).


Happy Christmas :cheers:

You're doing a fine job of it yourself matey!

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What's a photo of you and your "contacts" got to do with me, yer idiot?

What i'm told by people who work at the club every day and have done for years is that one of the very first things identified by the new administration, was a big problem with the transfer policy and the squad left behind, going back years.

To be fair it would be simplifying things to say that Comolli has been brought in to clean up the mess, there are other reasons as well. I've been told he's been brought in as much for his standing in the game and relationships with people within it. Also the new owners do not want to be taken to the cleaners on deals and this guy is a shrewd character and negotiator. But make no mistake about it, he has been brought in for a reason. What was going on was unsustainable.

And you are in denial if you think that Rafa had nothing to do with that.

Typical of this easily confused moron to get stuff mixed up. I'm going to make things simple for him/her.

1. The academy set-up was parry's.

2. Rafa AND Houllier had fuck all to do with it.

3. Parry, contiually fucked up transfers that he seen as a threat to "his" academy.(Gareth Bale, maybe Ramsey)

4. Parry continually (purposefully?) fucked up Rafa's potential tranfers.

Simao, Daniel Alves and more interestingly vidic and evra, who both, of course ended up at manure. Even more interestingly, he fucked up or stopped Houllier's attempts to sign Cristiano Ronaldo. I wonder what happened to him?

Well, he(parry) was in at the start of the manure league, wasn't he?

Benitez is a fairly decent manager, but the Liverpool fan devotion is pretty cringeworthy.

You're a bit of a "Crossroads" character, aren't you?

Henry has said that in multiple press conferences, it is no a secret. The greatest cost to the club in player outlay is the wage bill, and the mistakes he is alluding to are ageing or injury prone players being handed long, expensive contracts. That is not something peculiar to Rafa, in fact the most obvious examples of that in the squad at the moment are contracts organised by Hodgson or Purslow - Cole, Konchesky, Aurelio, Poulsen and Carragher.




coincidentally this article appeared this morning...



Liverpool's rebuilding plans are being threatened by the refusal of several out-of-favour stars to walk away from fat contracts.

Stars like Ryan Babel, Milan Jovanovic and Joe Cole will not go unless their Anfield salaries are matched elsewhere.

The situation is frustrating manager Roy Hodgson and director of football strategy Damien Comolli, who want to free up space in the club's 25-man Premier League squad.
Roy Hodgson

It may even explain Hodgson's extraordinary comment last week that Cole was not his original choice of signing.

The 29-year-old England international has struggled at Anfield and is wanted on loan for the rest of the season by his former club West Ham. Hamburg and Genoa are interested in Jovanovic, while Babel turned down moves last summer to Birmingham, Tottenham and West Ham because they could not match his £70,000-a-week wage.

Cole's friend, Glen Johnson, would also like to leave after falling out with Hodgson but he is struggling to find another club prepared to offer the £120,000 a week he is paid.

It leaves Liverpool in a difficult position to reshape the squad and owners NESV are furious that previous managing- director, Christian Purslow, awarded several long-term contracts in the dying embers of the Tom Hicks-George Gillett regime.

Cole was given a four-year contract worth £90,000 a week last summer while 29-year-old Jovanovic arrived on a three-year deal at £60,000 a week.

If neither goes, it adds up to a staggering financial commitment of £27million.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1341620/Roy-Hodgson-warns-Liverpools-fat-cats-choose-want-career-big-money.html

There is a very disturbing rumour about the club I am hearing from some of the old hands in the clubs administration.

I stress this is rumour at the moment so you can take this how you want.

NESW have just spent big on the boston redsoxs and are looking at another cash injection.

Fine. So what?

....the rumour is that Liverpool FC were used as a guarantee.

Henry and co feel they can justify this and are not breaking any promises as they are not heaping any physical debt on LFC....nevertheless it is disturbing because once again Liverpool is being used as leverage. Maybe not in the same way as Hicks for bad debts, but certainly to bolster a baseball team, which I would imagine is not what most reds are happy to do.

I didn't know that but equally I wouldn't be surprised by that as the Sox apparently had a woeful season last time and the fans are getting very angry about the LFC purchase "diverting funds" away from what they see as should be Henrys main priority.

If Purslow was to be believed Liverpool was in actual fact solvent and profitable. We know that they make an enviable profit Vs expenditure and speaking as a former examining officer for the insolvency service dealing with huge, complex hundred million pound companies I am certain LFC would never in a million years away from being insolvent....even under hicks, even if there had been no buyers. It seems totally feasible to me that a profitable business with reduced debts could be used as a guarantee for funding, the issue is that that funding is said to be going nowhere near LFC.

I'm told that the players, coaches and old hands are all desperate for Roy to be given time and a chance. They like his methods (fans can argue the toss about tactics and his popularity) and what he is trying to do. What i'm being told is that the transfer funds are going to be woefull as it is going to Boston and they and Roy fear he will be the fall guy. The funds being talked about are nowhere near what is needed to build the squad to compete for 4th....but clearly, the NESV priority lies with baseball and Nascar and the suspicion is that was always going to be the case.

Good Lord! Shock! Horror! Who would ever have thought that simpletonian would have come out on the side of 'friend of baconface'(and he's a beancounter, and he was bragging about it!)

woy's an idiot. Lazy minded and ignorant. A perfect match for you and the incompetant buffoons at the academy.

The club's like the city now. Turning into Uganda.

Hodgeson seemed to have no answers there, don't get me wrong, but the worst players on the pitch tonight were Kyriakos, Skyrtl and Johnson. All Benitez signings.

The general consensus on the radio phone in from LIVERPOOL fans were that these and a couple of others, had a shocker.

Ironically some were still calling for Rafa to come back. The way things are going they may well get their wish.

Personally I feel that, that Liverpool back line is one of the worst in the premiership at the moment. It is saying something when people acclaim Carragher as one of your best defenders.

Not good.

Turning into Uganda? *bites lip*

Let them try and get Rafa back, they'll hardly do any better with him either.

I want them to get someone with a proven tactical/coaching pedigree who can also perform well in the transfer market on what is likely to be limited funds.

You're probably looking at foreign again as sadly I don't believe any British managers available have that.

O'Neil is a good motivator and i'm sure would proove popular with the squad, but he plays the one system and never deviates and has just spat his dummy out at Lerner for not providing funds.

Whoever steps into the role is clearly going to have to start winning immediately as the fans won't give more than 6 months. (that's not a dig, it is just the way it is, the expectations are bigger at Liverpool and god forbid the day that slips as it has at Everton)

Regarding the media agenda surrounding football, I think that Sky and Murdoch make a lot of their profits from selling sports (i.e. the Premier League). They tried to buy Manchester United in the 90's but were prevented from doing so by the competition commision.
Why would they want to do this? (buy united)?

I want them to get someone with a proven tactical/coaching pedigree who can also perform well in the transfer market on what is likely to be limited funds.

You're probably looking at foreign again as sadly I don't believe any British managers available have that.

O'Neil is a good motivator and i'm sure would proove popular with the squad, but he plays the one system and never deviates and has just spat his dummy out at Lerner for not providing funds.

Whoever steps into the role is clearly going to have to start winning immediately as the fans won't give more than 6 months. (that's not a dig, it is just the way it is, the expectations are bigger at Liverpool and god forbid the day that slips as it has at Everton)

There's some fella on the Wirral that can do that.

re - RG-

Cos they are a huge brand (across much of the world) and very profitable?

Look at how the profits have risen since the mid-90's. They'd have got Utd at a very good price and made a fortune - look at the prices being quoted for the potential Qatari takeover compared to what News International were offering?

Maybe in your paranoid world there were more ridiculous reasons, but back in the real business world it's normally money that drives such deals.

Can lfc afford another sacking on top of the millions paid to RB?

I'm sure any potential new manager would demand a big transfer kitty though surely the bulk of the team that finished 2nd 2 seasons ago (even if RB did say they punched above their weight) is still in situ.

re - RG-

Cos they are a huge brand (across much of the world) and very profitable?

Look at how the profits have risen since the mid-90's. They'd have got Utd at a very good price and made a fortune - look at the prices being quoted for the potential Qatari takeover compared to what News International were offering?

Maybe in your paranoid world there were more ridiculous reasons, but back in the real business world it's normally money that drives such deals.

Perhaps my question should have been: why were they prevented from buying united?

Competition and potential conflict of interest were the reasons given, no?

The main TV deal owner owning the largest club would give United an unfair advantage when negotiating TV right was the reason given wasn't it?

Why do you think the reasons published by the monopoliges and mergers board were somehow not the real reason and in reality it's a huge conspiracy by all of government to ensure that United get favoritsm and Liverpool are down trodden

Regarding the media agenda surrounding football, I think that Sky and Murdoch make a lot of their profits from selling sports (i.e. the Premier League). They tried to buy Manchester United in the 90's but were prevented from doing so by the competition commision.
Why would they want to do this? (buy united)?

I don't think there is anything in it other than it came about at a time when media companies were tripping over themselves to invest in clubs. Granada with Liverpool, NTL with the Celtic/Rangers (and they were going to buy into Everton until Bill fucked the deal up).

If you are the biggest broadcaster in football and want to buy into the best around at the time, it would have had to be United, would it not?

I'm interested in what RG thinks is the real reason.

Will be amusing no doubt.

^^

Rolling Stone....please don't reply to Wirlie (aka Metrolink)....he's having one of his aimless bored afternoons and hasn't taken his regular meds....find something more constructive to do for all our sakes.

Can lfc afford another sacking on top of the millions paid to RB?

I'm sure any potential new manager would demand a big transfer kitty though surely the bulk of the team that finished 2nd 2 seasons ago (even if RB did say they punched above their weight) is still in situ.


To illustrate the difficulty the new manager will have at Liverpool, take a look at that back line from last night. The lot needs replacing in my opinion (and the opinon of all of my red mates). None of them of good enough to play for Liverpool FC.

Then there's players like Carragher and who will need replacing soon. It says something when this lad is described as Liverpool's best defender.

In a couple of years time you are looking at shifting Gerrard further back into defense, replacing him....or keeping him and watching him bag tons of red cards for getting frustrated with his body not being able to do what his brilliant footballing brain wants it to do.

In my opinion, he is irreplaceable.

Roys signings have been a joke to be fair, but the players who performed badly last night and in recent games were Rafa's signings.

None of this is a dig. None of this is celebratory. I do not want to see Liverpool go backwards, or drop into mediocrity because take it from me as a blue, once down there it can take a generation to get back to being half decent/providing a challenge to the top clubs.

I take no pleaure whatsoever in seeing two Manchester clubs competing for the title and London clubs dominating the Champions League qualifying spots (Spurs looking like taking Liverpool's "big 4" spot).

Radio Merseyside news reporting that lfc's owners are considering the manager's position today.

Can lfc afford another sacking on top of the millions paid to RB?


They were always going to bring their own guy in, but I think they wanted to wait until they had a CEO in place. It's only the media who have suggested Hodgson was there long term; "35 years experience" is mates with most of the newspaper guys based in London, and is always on hand for a sound bite.


I'm sure any potential new manager would demand a big transfer kitty though surely the bulk of the team that finished 2nd 2 seasons ago (even if RB did say they punched above their weight) is still in situ.

I think talking about transfer kitty a bit premature. Everyone (bar Evertonian) knows that Henry's lot have money to spend, but I think most fans don't want them spending until we have proper football people in place. We certainly don't want anymore Hodgeball players replacing talented footballers on the basis they don't fit into his awful smalltime tactics.

They were always going to bring their own guy in, but I think they wanted to wait until they had a CEO in place. It's only the media who have suggested Hodgson was there long term; "35 years experience" is mates with most of the newspaper guys based in London, and is always on hand for a sound bite.

There is an element of truth in that.

I think talking about transfer kitty a bit premature. Everyone (bar Evertonian) knows that Henry's lot have money to spend, but I think most fans don't want them spending until we have proper football people in place. We certainly don't want anymore Hodgeball players replacing talented footballers on the basis they don't fit into his awful smalltime tactics.

Liverpool have funds available. The question is do Liverpool have the money to spend £20 million+ on individual players, a good couple of times. The answer to that is no.

If any of the fans think that Henry and co are going to spend a hundred million over the next couple of years on completely rebuilding that squad (which is what is requried), then they are going to be dissapointed.

You will see mate.

re - RG-

Cos they are a huge brand (across much of the world) and very profitable?

Look at how the profits have risen since the mid-90's. They'd have got Utd at a very good price and made a fortune - look at the prices being quoted for the potential Qatari takeover compared to what News International were offering?

Maybe in your paranoid world there were more ridiculous reasons, but back in the real business world it's normally money that drives such deals.

How come in '92 sky hyped manure, a club with a poxy 40,000 stadium, hadn't won the title in 26 years and had a turnover all of about £2 million...

There is a very disturbing rumour about the club I am hearing from some of the old hands in the clubs administration.

I stress this is rumour at the moment so you can take this how you want.

NESW have just spent big on the boston redsoxs and are looking at another cash injection.

Fine. So what?

....the rumour is that Liverpool FC were used as a guarantee.

Henry and co feel they can justify this and are not breaking any promises as they are not heaping any physical debt on LFC....nevertheless it is disturbing because once again Liverpool is being used as leverage. Maybe not in the same way as Hicks for bad debts, but certainly to bolster a baseball team, which I would imagine is not what most reds are happy to do.

I didn't know that but equally I wouldn't be surprised by that as the Sox apparently had a woeful season last time and the fans are getting very angry about the LFC purchase "diverting funds" away from what they see as should be Henrys main priority.

If Purslow was to be believed Liverpool was in actual fact solvent and profitable. We know that they make an enviable profit Vs expenditure and speaking as a former examining officer for the insolvency service dealing with huge, complex hundred million pound companies I am certain LFC would never in a million years away from being insolvent....even under hicks, even if there had been no buyers. It seems totally feasible to me that a profitable business with reduced debts could be used as a guarantee for funding, the issue is that that funding is said to be going nowhere near LFC.

I'm told that the players, coaches and old hands are all desperate for Roy to be given time and a chance. They like his methods (fans can argue the toss about tactics and his popularity) and what he is trying to do. What i'm being told is that the transfer funds are going to be woefull as it is going to Boston and they and Roy fear he will be the fall guy. The funds being talked about are nowhere near what is needed to build the squad to compete for 4th....but clearly, the NESV priority lies with baseball and Nascar and the suspicion is that was always going to be the case.

can i ask were did that post come from.

can i ask were did that post come from.


Friends who work at the club.

Now....the question shifts. Is Dalgleish going to be given a go?

FSG will soon see how to prioritise when prize money, telly money and gate money goes down the shitter! They're sitting on a £300 million investment going down the pan as it stands.

I've noticed that the cretins in the media have started to call us Lfc supporters "fickle" over hodgson.

This, of course, confused me as the vast majority of us never wanted the dope in the first place. Even the idiots(usually deluded and successfully london media bullshitted) who wanted Rafa out.

BUT, now we've got the idiot Keegan, on tv, repeating that "they chose him", "they picked him and now they wont give him time". Who is he talking about?
The fans?

I can see were the next agenda's coming from. There you go. Revelling in my own victimhood.:)

How come in '92 sky hyped manure, a club with a poxy 40,000 stadium, hadn't won the title in 26 years and had a turnover all of about £2 million...

What does that have too do with anything?

There is an element of truth in that.



Liverpool have funds available. The question is do Liverpool have the money to spend £20 million+ on individual players, a good couple of times. The answer to that is no.

Sell Agger Johnson Aquilani theres 30 million pounds.

What does that have too do with anything?

Turn back a page and read from the top. If that doesn't work, you're an idiot:)

Turn back a page and read from the top. If that doesn't work, you're an idiot:)

Your an idot you speak a load of shit.

I've noticed that the cretins in the media have started to call us Lfc supporters "fickle" over hodgson.

This, of course, confused me as the vast majority of us never wanted the dope in the first place. Even the idiots(usually deluded and successfully london media bullshitted) who wanted Rafa out.

Fucksake here we go!

Many Liverpudlians thought that Roy Hodgeson was the man to stabalise the ship. It is revisionist history in the extreme to say that NOBODY wanted him. Would people rather have had Pep or Jose....of course they would, but that wasn't available at the time, Roy was and by and large most fans resolved themselves to giving him a go.

He was given 6 months, or abouts. I agree on reflection that it looks like it was never going to work, but that is with hindsight. No media conspiracy at play (again!), people in general just think managers are sacked all too easily and 6 months is no time to put your stamp on things.

The media, as you constantly bang on about, did not kid or swerve the people at the club or the players into thinking he was right for the job.

I can assure you that the club thought he was a agood appointment. It hasn't worked out. You'll be glad to know he's gone.

Sell Agger Johnson Aquilani theres 30 million pounds.

There is deffinately going to be a clearout. All I am saying in this thread is that it will take time.

The new owners will not be spending 100 million + in a hurry to rebuild that squad. We will be back to tiresome "net spend" discussions with this lot too im afraid.

I wish Evertonian would learn the difference between bias and prejudice and a conspiracy.

There is deffinately going to be a clearout. All I am saying in this thread is that it will take time.

The new owners will not be spending 100 million + in a hurry to rebuild that squad. We will be back to tiresome "net spend" discussions with this lot too im afraid.

No but there should be a fairly large amount available i would of thought.

I wish Evertonian would learn the difference between bias and prejudice and a conspiracy.

Roy Hodgeson, a nice, well respected man in football, being given sympathy, is not biased, prejudiced or a conspiracy.

A conspiracy is Liverpool, Everton and United carving up the division, creating their own league to grab the TV money away from the league.

THIS is why the TV companies had a hard-on for United (in answer to soft arses question above).

As always....MONEY and ratings.

There is an element of truth in that.



Liverpool have funds available. The question is do Liverpool have the money to spend £20 million+ on individual players, a good couple of times. The answer to that is no.

If any of the fans think that Henry and co are going to spend a hundred million over the next couple of years on completely rebuilding that squad (which is what is requried), then they are going to be dissapointed.

You will see mate.



Nobody on this forum has suggested that NESV/FSG would spend hundreds of millions on players per season. Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?


Many Liverpudlians thought that Roy Hodgeson was the man to stabalise the ship. It is revisionist history in the extreme to say that NOBODY wanted him.


Those Liverpudlians being Everton fans? I don't know anyone personally who was excited to see Roy Hodgson unveiled as our manager.

Those Liverpudlians being Everton fans? I don't know anyone personally who was excited to see Roy Hodgson unveiled as our manager.

You're changing things up there, to suit your argument.

Now, according to you, it is not just that the fans had to accept Roy, but they had to actively get excited by his prescence.

I never argued that the fans were excited and actively wanted him above all others, matter of fact I stated very clearly that given the choice they would have prefered a top, world class coach such as Jose, but since that wasn't put forward many were prepared to give Roy a go.

It is revisionist history to suggest NOBODY wanted him. That suggests that the fans were dead against it. I remember it being slightly different at the time.

turn of phrase, I'll elaborate, nobody i knew personally was anywhere remotely satisfied with Hodgsons appointment, let alone "stablise the ship". Quite the opposite in fact, people I've spoken to thought he was brought in because he was cheap, to manage decline and placate the likes of Carragher.



The media, as you constantly bang on about, did not kid or swerve the people at the club or the players into thinking he was right for the job.

I can assure you that the club thought he was a agood appointment. It hasn't worked out. You'll be glad to know he's gone.

Hodgson was linked with the Liverpool job in the press as early as January of last year, 6 months after our highest points total in the league since the 1988 team, and well before Fullham lost the UEFA cup.

Why do some people think second, which admittedly is better than what is happening now, - is acceptable for LFC?

I can honestly say every red I know was completely underwhelmed by the appointment of Hodgson, even those who wanted Rafa gone.

The press had a lot to do with it. Why else would Martin Broughton reply to an email stating that by sacking Rafa he'd killed our club. Broughtons answer " the press don't agree with you"

Judging by that answer I think we can surmise that Hodgsons appointment was pleaded for by the press, Purslow and Carragher. Very, very few fans though.

Why do some people think second, which admittedly is better than what is happening now, - is acceptable for LFC?


:lol:

:lol:

What's funny, only those born after 1990 have that attitude.

Anyway its good to get it off your chest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUNkOHSQLpY

What's funny, only those born after 1990 have that attitude.


I thought you were joking

Why do some people think second, which admittedly is better than what is happening now, - is acceptable for LFC?

Heavens Medi, what is your point?

Sell Agger Johnson Aquilani theres 30 million pounds.

Jeez! I thought you were being sarcastic. You are an "idot".:lol:

Roy Hodgeson, a nice, well respected man in football, being given sympathy, is not biased, prejudiced or a conspiracy.

A conspiracy is Liverpool, Everton and United carving up the division, creating their own league to grab the TV money away from the league.

THIS is why the TV companies had a hard-on for United (in answer to soft arses question above).

As always....MONEY and ratings.

God! Being called a softarse by this grade A gobshite.

Praise indeed.

Sell Agger Johnson Aquilani theres 30 million pounds.

I do believe Hodgson is trying to get rid of some he sees as surplus to requirements but other teams will not match the exhorbitant wage demands. Therefore, merceneries like Babel will twitter away whilst getting splinters in his bum - but his pay packet satisfies him.

I've noticed that the cretins in the media have started to call us Lfc supporters "fickle" over hodgson.

This, of course, confused me as the vast majority of us never wanted the dope in the first place. Even the idiots(usually deluded and successfully london media bullshitted) who wanted Rafa out.

BUT, now we've got the idiot Keegan, on tv, repeating that "they chose him", "they picked him and now they wont give him time". Who is he talking about?
The fans?

I can see were the next agenda's coming from. There you go. Revelling in my own victimhood.:)

In my friendly debates with my fellow kopite mates, they never fail to tell me that lfc attendances have always been a little higher than those of Evertons even though from 70-84 and 95 to now we won nothing. I asked him what your attendance might be like during such a famine. A couple of bad seasons and we see a 9000 shortfall v Bolton, your away allocation not sold out at Blackburn and Derby tickets being advertised on the radio - another thing, radio advertising that Everton have been laughed at for in the past. On the message boards a few months ago, Hodgson was being revered as pulling off a coup in signing the saviour that Joe Cole was to be, in fact, he would drive you to the title. It turns out now that it wasn't even his signing.

The press didn't appoint the manager, you need to blame the then heirachy at Liverpool for that. Alas if as mentioned before, John Henry got a shock at the number of ageing and well paid stars, then clearly he didn't examine the books closely enough. It's too early to see yet whether it was out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Liverpool have put Derby tickets on general sale.

Massive break down in relations between club and fans over the past 2/3 years. Loads are fed up with it all, it's not just performance on the pitch.

The Bolton game wasn't 9,000 down it was probably between 30/50,000 down when you count previous demand rather than seats.

£45 cheapest tickets, bizarre requirements just to buy them, thousands farmed out to Thomas Cook and other touts.

The club needs to start rebuilding the connections to the fans, it needs to be sensible with it's pricing and it needs to start selling tickets to fans with cash from the stadium and where demand allows open up cash turnstiles.

Personally I'm quite pleased the dissent has started to hit their income, that's the only thing that'll drive change.

Derby tickets always go on 'general sale', the club always has tickets for general, if you've got a fan card of course, cost £10 plus an extra £2.50 per ticket!

To fair be fair to Liverpool's support, re: Hodgson, most i know didn't want him and those that did seen him as a stop gap only. Under the circumstances,that is, not only poor performances and position but total lack of empathy between him and the fans its not surprising they want him to go. Imo, Liverpool have held on to managers far too long, Roy Evans and Houlier should've gone earlier. But to the clubs credit, board and fans they've shown a degree of loyalty all too rare in football these days. It's very admirable but ironically could be the Achilles Heel of the club now.

Gone.

Dogleash in til end of season.

On a different tack, in the unlikely event of a draw at OT tomorrow, tickets will cost £46 and £44.

Given that tickets usually cost between £35 and £40 for league games and that domestic cup competitions seemingly, year on year, take increasingly less priority, that most regulars are "forced" to commit themselves to tickets before the start of the season and given the shite we've endured this season is little short of a disgrace.

Tickets are £38 to £44 for the Kop, £40 to £46 for the rest of the ground, plus £2.50 booking fee for league games.

Massive break down in relations between club and fans over the past 2/3 years. Loads are fed up with it all, it's not just performance on the pitch.

The Bolton game wasn't 9,000 down it was probably between 30/50,000 down when you count previous demand rather than seats.

£45 cheapest tickets, bizarre requirements just to buy them, thousands farmed out to Thomas Cook and other touts.

The club needs to start rebuilding the connections to the fans, it needs to be sensible with it's pricing and it needs to start selling tickets to fans with cash from the stadium and where demand allows open up cash turnstiles.

Personally I'm quite pleased the dissent has started to hit their income, that's the only thing that'll drive change.

Derby tickets always go on 'general sale', the club always has tickets for general, if you've got a fan card of course, cost £10 plus an extra £2.50 per ticket!

Spot on on all counts.

Theres stuff that goes on with the ticketting that borders on corruption. I shall say no more.

To fair be fair to Liverpool's support, re: Hodgson, most i know didn't want him and those that did seen him as a stop gap only. Under the circumstances,that is, not only poor performances and position but total lack of empathy between him and the fans its not surprising they want him to go. Imo, Liverpool have held on to managers far too long, Roy Evans and Houlier should've gone earlier. But to the clubs credit, board and fans they've shown a degree of loyalty all too rare in football these days. It's very admirable but ironically could be the Achilles Heel of the club now.

He left by "mutual" the other day when I said to PoolCool "you'll be glad to know he's gone". The coaches and backroom staff were notified late afternoon. Any delay was in tieing up loose ends and trying to bring some dignity to proceedings.

I'm told that there was a lot of dissapointmentt as the staff and players liked and respected Roy. The owners wanted it to work out at least until the end of the season and wanted to repect him. Believe it or not the footballing side of things was NOT the overriding reason. It was his comments against the fans. The hierarchy won't have a major public relations nightmare.


As for Kenny.

I have had the privilege of discussing football casually with Kenny on a couple of occassions. Spend 5 minutes in this mans company and tell me he isn't the man to pull this club out the shit.

A masterstroke on a number of points appointing him till the end of the season.

1. Fernando, after 5 mins talking to this kenny, is going to be salivating at the prospect of a former striker who's whole gameplan will be tailored to putting that ball at his feet. Total kindered spirits.

2. Attendance will shoot up the relationship with the fans will be unreal. There are players at that club for whom this will be a dream.

3. Media masterstroke.

come on you red men, get innnnnnnnnnn.

Tickets are £38 to £44 for the Kop, £40 to £46 for the rest of the ground, plus £2.50 booking fee for league games.

Bugger me! :ohno:

^^

That's not an invitation btw.

Derby sold out.

http://www.liverpoolfc.talent-sport.co.uk/PagesPublic/ProductBrowse/productHome.aspx

But Liverpool really are in danger of alienating their local fans with these ticketing prices. Who the hell can afford to pay almost £50 to go the match these days? They even put the tickets up £1 when the VAT went up the other day! Bet Man City never.

I mean look at this. Man City only charged £5 (£1 for kids) for the Europa Cup tie against Saltzburg. A game they needed to win to guarantee qualification to the knock out stage.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/tickets-and-travel/2010/november/salzburg-ticket-offer

Whereas Liverpool charged £20 (kids free if accompanied by adults) for the dead rubber game against FC Utrecht in the same competition.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/announcements/lfc-v-fc-utrecht-ticket-details

The way football fans are treated in this country is a joke.

Hearded into cramped, antiquated stadiums, overcharged, treated like shit.

Compare it to Germany where people attend modern, high capacity stadiums with great atmospheres. You have plenty of legroom, fresh food cooked on site and cheap, premium beer at your seat.

They pay, on average, £15 a ticket.

Reduce some of these players ridiculously overinflated salaries and pass the savings on to the fans, I say.

Unlucky Liverpool today. Howard Webb is a joke. Was fantastic to see the oversized King Kenny coat walking into the arena today.

The way football fans are treated in this country is a joke.

Hearded into cramped, antiquated stadiums, overcharged, treated like shit.

Compare it to Germany where people attend modern, high capacity stadiums with great atmospheres. You have plenty of legroom, fresh food cooked on site and cheap, premium beer at your seat.

They pay, on average, £15 a ticket.

Reduce some of these players ridiculously overinflated salaries and pass the savings on to the fans, I say.

Unlucky Liverpool today. Howard Webb is a joke. Was fantastic to see the oversized King Kenny coat walking into the arena today.

Yeah no wonder teams like Schalke in Gelsenkirchen (by no means one of Germany’s biggest cities) can get 60,000 attendances regularly. I fear my match attending days are over (I am now down to about 10 home games and about 5 away games). I dread to think how much Liverpool's new stadium will cost to gain entry (if it ever gets built).

Radio adverts paid off then.

I even heard Man United adverts on Talksport the other day. And if Man United are having to advertise tickets you know there’s something wrong.

Yeah no wonder teams like Schalke in Gelsenkirchen (by no means one of Germany’s biggest cities) can get 60,000 attendances regularly. I fear my match attending days are over (I am now down to about 10 home games and about 5 away games). I dread to think how much Liverpool's new stadium will cost to gain entry (if it ever gets built).


Personally I think that ship has long since sailed, for both Liverpool clubs. The only chance of a high capacity, modern, new build stadium is a groundshare, which nobody wants. Both clubs will consolidate what they already have. The new owners of Liverpool, will quite rightly, go along maintaining the heritage that is there. It is a great shame that Everton spent so much time and money chasing the Kirkby delusion. £4 million which could have gone towards remodelling the bullens or a larger Park End.

I personally see a decline in football in this country when we head towards 3-4 million unemployed. The boom period is already looking over when you look at the dramatically reduced attendances in the league. Half empty stadia all over the shop.

Liverpool and Everton will always get around 35,000 or above, but prices are going to have to drop over the next 5 years if the city takes the beating I expect it too.

I even heard Man United adverts on Talksport the other day. And if Man United are having to advertise tickets you know there’s something wrong.

Manchester United were advertising tickets in the national broadsheets the other week.

[QUOTE]Personally I think that ship has long since sailed, for both Liverpool clubs. The only chance of a high capacity, modern, new build stadium is a groundshare[QUOTE]

No the ship has sailed for Evertons new ground we know that for certain.

Liverpool FC's new owners haven't got the money to build a new stadium. That ship has sailed. I am very dissapointed about it, but it is what it is.

This city had the chance to build 2 world class stadiums over the last decade and failed to capitalise on that.

When I say "this city" I mean a collective failure from everybody concerned: Kenwright, Moores, Parry, Hicks, Liverpool City Council and many others. Meanwhile Manchester has pulled far away from us on this front.

I don't like saying all this, but it is so, as far as i'm concerned.

Liverpool FC's new owners haven't got the money to build a new stadium. That ship has sailed. I am very dissapointed about it, but it is what it is.

This city had the chance to build 2 world class stadiums over the last decade and failed to capitalise on that.

When I say "this city" I mean a collective failure from everybody concerned: Kenwright, Moores, Parry, Hicks, Liverpool City Council and many others. Meanwhile Manchester has pulled far away from us on this front.

I don't like saying all this, but it is so, as far as i'm concerned.

When did the new owners say that source?And by the way i hope the new anfield dosnt get built i want an expanded Anfield.

Personally I think that ship has long since sailed, for both Liverpool clubs. The only chance of a high capacity, modern, new build stadium is a groundshare, which nobody wants. Both clubs will consolidate what they already have. The new owners of Liverpool, will quite rightly, go along maintaining the heritage that is there. It is a great shame that Everton spent so much time and money chasing the Kirkby delusion. £4 million which could have gone towards remodelling the bullens or a larger Park End.

I personally see a decline in football in this country when we head towards 3-4 million unemployed. The boom period is already looking over when you look at the dramatically reduced attendances in the league. Half empty stadia all over the shop.

Liverpool and Everton will always get around 35,000 or above, but prices are going to have to drop over the next 5 years if the city takes the beating I expect it too.

I think you're right. A lot of teams have even taken to lying about their attendances. Just look at the Man City v Everton game before Christmas. The official attendance was confirmed as 45,000 (just below the 47,000 capacity). And yet the ground looked barely half full, save for Everton selling out their end. And you can get Man City season tickets for as little as £300.

When did the new owners say that source?And by the way i hope the new anfield dosnt get built i want an expanded Anfield.

I want an expanded Anfield. But let's face it, none of us locals will be able to afford to go there. We would be heavily reliant on football tourists to fill the ground. I mean £46 to go League matches with a £2.50 booking fee (in some cases) and £8 to park you’re cark. I payed £37 for the Darwen End at Ewood Park the other day. And Blackburn used to be quite reasonable.

I want an expanded Anfield. But let's face it, none of us locals will be able to afford to go there. We would be heavily reliant on football tourists to fill the ground. I mean £46 to go League matches with a £2.50 booking fee (in some cases) and £8 to park you’re cark. I payed £37 for the Darwen End at Ewood Park the other day. And Blackburn used to be quite reasonable.

Ecconomics will dictate as usual. Football is no different from any other form of entertainment. When the head count goes down they will react.

At Liverpool, the first thing to do will be to reduce the wage bill. Players like Johnson on a rumoured 100k + a week are a thing of the past. The new UEFA rules on income Vs expenditure and clubs living within their means will also dictate.

If Liverpool and Everton can reduce over the top wages and debt, they actually stand to do well out of the new rules. We have 40k stadiums and a loyal fanbase. We're not like Wigan and other mid-card clubs struggling to fill the grounds and I doubt we ever will be.

City, United, Chelsea and a few other clubs who sail a bit too close to the wind will struggle to comply.

Reducing the debts, wage bills and stuff like agents fees and living within our means will mean that if/more likely when, the footballing bubble bursts, we will be best placed to ride it out. LFC and EFC could get away with lowering ticket prices.

Lowering the prices will have to be done in a few years time if not sooner. Football as an industry is just one form of an ever increasing number of competing forms of entertainment, for people's disposable income and when half of Liverpool becomes unemployed over the next few years (what are we on now? A 30% unemployment rate?) people will pick and choose what is more important to them.

I have been a season ticket holder for 15 years but last year when I had a long spell of unemployment something had to give. Sometimes that meant the match.

When I look at my ever widening set of interests: Cycling, going to gigs, xbox nerding, travelling, going the gym, clubbing, going the pub and bars, taking my girl out, buying nice clothes, computers/gadgets etc, etc....football is a massive expense that if I became unemployed again, might out of neccesity have to be cut.

That will be the case for literally tens of thousands of Merseysiders over the next 12 months as these cuts decimate jobs.

How on earth do Utd sail close to the wind?

Only 46% of turnover goes on wages, lowest in PL.

Sure, Glazer debt is shite, but that doesn't come under financial fair play and actually holds us back.

Forgive me. You are right, on further reading, it is believed that United, because of their huge turnover, will just scrape through. It was incorrect for me to put them into that list of clubs.

However, my point still stands. 3/4's of the premier leagues clubs would not be able to play in Europe under the new rules if they were implemented today.

My point still stands that the clubs with the least outgoings Vs income will do best in the new era. For clubs like Everton and Liverpool who have some debts....but large stadia that are usually around capacity filled, there or abouts; if they reduce wages and agents fees, they stand to remain big players in British football.

"Also ran"/mid-card clubs who have overextended themselves over the years trying to keep up with the prem, while having smaller stadia and not filling them are going to struggle, big time.

Just wait and see: I predict in the next 10-15 years, it will be the German clubs with low wage bills, high capacity, new stadia that are filled and minimal debts compared to other European clubs that willl flurish.

THIS is why it is so tragic that neither club could get it together in the '00's in terms of upgrading infastructure to improve turnover. Particularly LFC with New Anfield and Everton with Kings Dock.

Had those gone ahead we would have high capacity stadia where a Germanic model of varying ticket pricing could have been implemented with "kop"/ultras ends being the cheapest in the house.

Far better to have large stadia, as even small German towns do, that are cheap to get into BUT are always full, providing a stable income.... COUPLED with living within your means, than the current model, which in my view is unsustainable in the ecconomic climate we will find ourselves in.

Liverpool FC's new owners haven't got the money to build a new stadium. That ship has sailed. I am very dissapointed about it, but it is what it is.


I'm starting to suspect that whoever you're getting that info off doesn't know their arse from their elbow, or you're just making it up. Whether they decide to build a new stadium or develop the existing one, they will more than likely raise part of the cost themselves, and the club will borrow the rest of the money.

As for being able to afford it, you're kidding right? NESV isn't just Henry & Werner, its a bunch of Henry's multimillionaire banking mates. If you don't believe me, look at the Liverpool board, pick out the name Jeff Vinik (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340673-vinik-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-for-tampa-bay-lightning). Worth $515million, bought his own ice hockey team with cash. Look at a few of the others...

Henry $840 million
Werner $852 million
Egan family $1.3 billion
Art Nicholas $640 million
John A Kaneb, $600 million
New York Times company $3 billion

etc..

There are about 17 of these "partners" in total. Now just because they're savy operators and don't flash their cash around in public, don't assume they haven't got a pot to piss in.

I'm starting to suspect that whoever you're getting that info off doesn't know their arse from their elbow, or you're just making it up. Whether they decide to build a new stadium or develop the existing one, they will more than likely raise part of the cost themselves, and the club will borrow the rest of the money.

As for being able to afford it, you're kidding right? NESV isn't just Henry & Werner, its a bunch of Henry's multimillionaire banking mates. If you don't believe me, look at the Liverpool board, pick out the name Jeff Vinik (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340673-vinik-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-for-tampa-bay-lightning). Worth $515million, bought his own ice hockey team with cash. Look at a few of the others...

Henry $840 million
Werner $852 million
Egan family $1.3 billion
Art Nicholas $640 million
John A Kaneb, $600 million
New York Times company $3 billion

etc..

There are about 17 of these "partners" in total. Now just because they're savy operators and don't flash their cash around in public, don't assume they haven't got a pot to piss in.

but the fact remains that very soon there won't be many local lads going the match. we already have the 2nd highest season tickets, and hence ticket prices in the Premiership.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/06/09/1966916/liverpool-season-ticket-costs-second-only-to-arsenal-in-the

NESV even stuck an extra £1 on the prices when VAT went up the other day. a very worrying sign.

The 'partners' of NESV are not going to put money in, the money will come (or not) from NESV.

The 'partners' of NESV are not going to put money in, the money will come (or not) from NESV.


I think you missed the point, it's much easier to borrow when you already have money. Any investment into LFC will no doubt be financed.

For clubs like Everton and Liverpool who have some debts.... of upgrading infastructure to improve turnover. Particularly LFC with New Anfield and Everton with Kings Dock.

Liverpool does not have any debt anymore and stop compareing Liverpool too Everton Liverpool is a much bigger more succesful and richer club.

but the fact remains that very soon there won't be many local lads going the match. we already have the 2nd highest season tickets, and hence ticket prices in the Premiership.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/06/09/1966916/liverpool-season-ticket-costs-second-only-to-arsenal-in-the

NESV even stuck an extra £1 on the prices when VAT went up the other day. a very worrying sign.


I know mate, but that's to do with the stadium size. It's always going to be tempting to raise the clubs match day revenue that way with such a small stadium, simple supply and demand.

Liverpool does not have any debt anymore and stop compareing Liverpool too Everton Liverpool is a much bigger more succesful and richer club.

Some debt was left in place, for stadium redevelopment, but it is relatively small and guaranteed by NESV.

I'm starting to suspect that whoever you're getting that info off doesn't know their arse from their elbow, or you're just making it up. Whether they decide to build a new stadium or develop the existing one, they will more than likely raise part of the cost themselves, and the club will borrow the rest of the money.

As for being able to afford it, you're kidding right? NESV isn't just Henry & Werner, its a bunch of Henry's multimillionaire banking mates. If you don't believe me, look at the Liverpool board, pick out the name Jeff Vinik (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/340673-vinik-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-for-tampa-bay-lightning). Worth $515million, bought his own ice hockey team with cash. Look at a few of the others...

Henry $840 million
Werner $852 million
Egan family $1.3 billion
Art Nicholas $640 million
John A Kaneb, $600 million
New York Times company $3 billion

etc..

There are about 17 of these "partners" in total. Now just because they're savy operators and don't flash their cash around in public, don't assume they haven't got a pot to piss in.

Yoshef come off it. I am hardly saying that LFC's owners are skint and you know that fine well.

What i'm saying (and yes I should have stated this hasn't come from the club, it is my opinion and feeling on what will happen) is that they won't pay out 400 million for New Anfield and another 100 million plus for the squad.

They said themselves when they first came in that they were going to look at remodelling Anfield.

Do you, in all honesty, see New Anfield being built now?

Some debt was left in place, for stadium redevelopment, but it is relatively small and guaranteed by NESV.

20 million wasn't it?

Forgive me. You are right, on further reading, it is believed that United, because of their huge turnover, will just scrape through. It was incorrect for me to put them into that list of clubs.



How on earth will Utd just scrap through???

Along with Arsenal they have the most profitable underlying club in England.

As I say - ignore the Glazer debt that doesn't come into play here.

Utd have always lived off the football money and never had a sugar daddy.

The financial fair play rules, if imposed as UEFA suggest they will do would mean that only Utd and Arsenal could feasibly compete for the league.

yoshef - you are funny. You sound just like many Liverpool fans did when G&H took over. The yanks are running Liverpool as a business, nothing more, nothing less. They expect a return on it.

yoshef - you are funny. You sound just like many Liverpool fans did when G&H took over. The yanks are running Liverpool as a business, nothing more, nothing less. They expect a return on it.



Well I remain wary about their motives, but I'm fairly certain that they know they need to develop the stadium and invest in the squad in order to make it work. My post was to counter Evertonian's obsessive doom mongering.

Yoshef come off it. I am hardly saying that LFC's owners are skint and you know that fine well.

What i'm saying (and yes I should have stated this hasn't come from the club, it is my opinion and feeling on what will happen) is that they won't pay out 400 million for New Anfield and another 100 million plus for the squad.

They said themselves when they first came in that they were going to look at remodelling Anfield.

Do you, in all honesty, see New Anfield being built now?

Who cares if they don't spend £100 million on the squad in one transfer window; your argument is predicated on your opinion of the squad, and its not an opinion I share. Looking at other teams, when did Arsenal or Man United ever pump £100 million into their squad in one go? I'm not going to predict how club will operate under NESV, but they're unlikely to tell you how much money they have, are they? Henry did say we will be competing for the top players, so that is a wait and see. Bear this in mind though. Rafa "spent" over £200 million on players, on an average investment of about £10 million per season, by buying and selling. He even managed a few £20 million signings.

As for the stadium, of course they're not going to pay £400 million. If they exercise the stadium option, they'll probably borrow money, as will the club, and probably mix in some naming rights too. But the stadium pays for itself when its complete, as long as they keep it full. As most reds would prefer to see Anfield redeveloped, that's probably the least effective way of raining on our parade.

The 'partners' of NESV are not going to put money in, the money will come (or not) from NESV.

Is right, otherwise where's all the money going into the red sox. We have Mr Tesco but money made by these bigwigs elsewhere is NOT for our beloved clubs it seems.

My post was to counter Evertonian's obsessive doom mongering.

There's nothing doom mongering about my comments. While new Anfield might be on the backburner, redevelopment of Anfield (which many fans want) is being looked into. This is a bloody good thing and not negative at all.

Liverpool FC will be run by these guys in a careful and considered business manner. That means careful investment in the squad over a long period of time. If any Liverpool fans think that they were going to fund the 400 million pound stadium AND completely rebuild that squad to the tune of over a hundred million any time soon they are mistaken. That is all I have said.

Who cares if they don't spend £100 million on the squad in one transfer window; your argument is predicated on your opinion of the squad, and its not an opinion I share. Looking at other teams, when did Arsenal or Man United ever pump £100 million into their squad in one go?

Misquoting me there Yoshef. Suprise, suprise. :ohno:

I catagorically did NOT say 100 million would be needed to be spent in one season.

Liverpool clearly need to rebuild though. The squad is not good enough. If you disagree fair enough, but my suspiscion/opinion is that Kenny or whoever comes in will tell the board that considerable investment in the squad will be required.

All I am saying is that that will be considered carefully and over time. It won't be 100 million within the first 2-3 years. It will be carefull budgeting. The stadium will be remoddelled, judging by the signals coming out of the club.

I see nothing wrong with what i've said and only you could find a way of twisting it Yoshef.

Rafa "spent" over £200 million on players, on an average investment of about £10 million per season, by buying and selling. He even managed a few £20 million signings.

Rafa spent 200 million....end of. The "net spend" debate ALWAYS fails to point out that that money was spent in the first place on bad buys. Great! He recouped! Wouldn';t have needed to had he spent wiseley in the first place....OR!!! (shock horror!)....saved a bit of money back.

Some of those players worked out. Many did not. Most Liverpudlians I know believe that, whoever is to blame, that squad is not good enough. You must be the only red I am aware of who desputes this.

As for the stadium, of course they're not going to pay £400 million. If they exercise the stadium option, they'll probably borrow money, as will the club, and probably mix in some naming rights too. But the stadium pays for itself when its complete, as long as they keep it full. As most reds would prefer to see Anfield redeveloped, that's probably the least effective way of raining on our parade.

Raining on your parade!? You're really quite a paranoid chap aren't you Yoshef!

Have I not spent the last few years on this site pleading for both clubs to build their stadiums? I've supported Liverpool on New Anfield all the way.

A totally unfair comment Yoshef. I can understand the seige mentality with your fans at the moment, totally, but come off your high horse FFS.

If any Liverpool fans think that they were going to fund the 400 million pound stadium AND completely rebuild that squad to the tune of over a hundred million any time soon they are mistaken.

I would like to point out that any fans who think that NESV will build an extraterrestial space stadium in orbit and create a team consisting entirely of characters from 80s childrens cartoon series, Thundercats are also very mistaken indeed. Just in case there is one single person who might think that either.

That's a great shame as 80's nostalgia is very much in at the moment!




*JOKE!*

I see nothing wrong with what i've said and only you could find a way of twisting it Yoshef.


I'm not twisting it, that was the impression you gave.


Rafa spent 200 million....end of. The "net spend" debate ALWAYS fails to point out that that money was spent in the first place on bad buys. Great! He recouped! Wouldn';t have needed to had he spent wiseley in the first place....OR!!! (shock horror!)....saved a bit of money back.



The clubs accounts show about £60 million of investment in the playing squad over the 6 year period Benitez was in charge. That's the amount of money the club spent on players. Simples.



Some of those players worked out. Many did not. Most Liverpudlians I know believe that, whoever is to blame, that squad is not good enough. You must be the only red I am aware of who desputes this.


It's hard to judge the squad at the moment, as it hasn't played as a unit for 18 months, with all the trouble off-field, and then having to play Hodgeball. I'll pass judgement when we're more settled down, but if it really at the level of wolves, blackpool or everton, then why do so many of them get picked for their countries?

A club’s share of the USD 40 million was calculated by reference to the number of players from a club who were selected for their representative team for the final competition of the 2010 FIFA World Cup and the number of days each player was at the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

1. FC Barcelona with a total payment of USD 866,267;
2: FC Bayern München (USD 778,667);
3: Chelsea FC (USD 762,667);
4: Liverpool FC (USD 695,600);
5: Real Madrid CF (USD 678,133).





Raining on your parade!? You're really quite a paranoid chap aren't you Yoshef!

Have I not spent the last few years on this site pleading for both clubs to build their stadiums? I've supported Liverpool on New Anfield all the way.

A totally unfair comment Yoshef. I can understand the seige mentality with your fans at the moment, totally, but come off your high horse FFS.



I just find it odd how you feel the need to tell everyone repeatedly that NESV won't spend money on us.

You leave my high horse alone.

Again, I haven't said NESV won't spend anything on Liverpool. I said twice they will remodel Anfield and buy some players. Once again you are misquoting me.

I've said that they won't spend 400 million on New Anfield AND 100 million + on the squad. Nothing outrageous about what i've said.

Again, I haven't said NESV won't spend anything on Liverpool. I said twice they will remodel Anfield and buy some players. Once again you are misquoting me.

I've said that they won't spend 400 million on New Anfield AND 100 million + on the squad. Nothing outrageous about what i've said.


Its just an odd statement. It's odd because there is no detail, its completely ambiguous and quite random. Where is that figure from? Who costed the £400 stadium, or is that a "ball park" figure based on the Emirates stadium?

I personally think they will and should develop Anfield to as big a size as they can manage 70,000+, but they'd be mugs not reevaluate the cost/benefit of each option. If they see a new stadium as giving greater benefit, I'm sure they'll look at building it.

Then again, they haven't promised anything, so we might not get anything. They might just pick up the £60 million per season difference with Old Trafford & Emirates by selling naming rights of the existing ground for a few seasons, and then look at developing the ground in the future.

Its just an odd statement. It's odd because there is no detail, its completely ambiguous and quite random. Where is that figure from? Who costed the £400 stadium, or is that a "ball park" figure based on the Emirates stadium?

No it's not a figure based on Emirates. The £400 million figure for New Anfield came from the previous administration and was widely publicised in multiple media locally and from the London/Manc illuminati.

Hicks, who spoke last week when he was attending a global sports industry forum in London ahead of the NFL game between the New York Giants and the Miami Dolphins, admitted the projected cost had risen to “at least £400m.” But he added: “I'm so excited about the new stadium because we'll be able to go do things for the fans we’ve never been able to do for them.”

Type "New Anfield cost" into google and you'll find plenty of links, or have a look at past Echo stories on this. Dozens of dozens of media stories giving this figure.

You are of course right that a number of financing options would pay for that including, probably the biggest naming rights deal in football history given LFC's huge international brand and some managable debt. I've never claimed this is not the case.

I personally think they will and should develop Anfield to as big a size as they can manage 70,000+, but they'd be mugs not reevaluate the cost/benefit of each option. If they see a new stadium as giving greater benefit, I'm sure they'll look at building it.

As a neutral I would like to see New Anfield built to it's highest possible spec and capacity for the regenerative effect it will have on Anfield and the wider asset to Merseyside that it would be.

Liverpool as a city, deserves a world class stadium. I think it deserves two. Liverpool the football club certainly deserve a stadium reflective of their standing in the world game.

If I was a red I might think different and want Anfield remodeled. I think the latter will happen and I sincerely long for the day that ONE of our two clubs sorts itself out on this front.

Let's see how you twist this one. :lol:

Then again, they haven't promised anything, so we might not get anything. They might just pick up the £60 million per season difference with Old Trafford & Emirates by selling naming rights of the existing ground for a few seasons, and then look at developing the ground in the future.

They might stablise the club, invest some money, see how it goes and then either retain the club, or sell it for a massive profit after 5 years, given that they bought the club for next to nothing.

As long as the club improves and then gets passed on to good owners, that wouldn't be a problem.

Its just an odd statement. It's odd because there is no detail, its completely ambiguous and quite random. Where is that figure from? Who costed the £400 stadium, or is that a "ball park" figure based on the Emirates stadium?

Its like he is trying to convince himself i have never heard any fan mention hundreds of millions of pounds on players.

No it's not a figure based on Emirates. The £400 million figure for New Anfield came from the previous administration and was widely publicised in multiple media locally and from the London/Manc illuminati.


The £400 million figure is spurious, its a quote straight from Liar Liar's mouth from 3 years ago. "Gee look how much I'm investing!". They sent the design that they claimed would cost £400million back to the architects to have it 'value engineered'. The last planning permission sought was for a much cheaper version of that stadium, with what looked like corrugated aluminium cladding. If Henry and co. decide to build a new stadium, what is the likelyhood they'll stick with that design? If they did it would certainly need costing again.




You are of course right that a number of financing options would pay for that including, probably the biggest naming rights deal in football history given LFC's huge international brand and some managable debt. I've never claimed this is not the case.


Therefore, if the stadium did cost £400 million, NESV wouldn't spend £400 million on it anyway. The club would pay for the bulk of it, not NESV.


They might stablise the club, invest some money, see how it goes and then either retain the club, or sell it for a massive profit after 5 years, given that they bought the club for next to nothing.

As long as the club improves and then gets passed on to good owners, that wouldn't be a problem.

On the other they might ruin the club like Hicks & Gillett, do a load of costing and showing off plans, build nothing, and flog the club after 3 years of not talking to one another.

Alternatively they may increase matchday revenue by developing the stadium, so the club is competing at Man U's level, but without the massive debt, and make loads of money for their investors as the shares of NESV rise in value.

FLAG DAY, the king kenny derby flag day...rawk.otk.rattel.liverpool way.

We need every flag and banner old and new in all four corners of the ground.
lets get the place bouncing. my heart is pumping again

CoJWDWmmB6E

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Flags, banners and scarves.......

Flag days?

I just don't get it!

Don't get what?

Don't get what?

The obsession with flags and banners.... or even scarves.

The total lack of spontaneity that a "flag-day" represents.

It's like a pantomime!

They do love their bed sheets don't they? Often thought it peculiar and must obstruct the views of those behind - even more so than Goodison's pillars.

However, I see the stockists are now running out of these sheets and lately MOTD has picked up on scribblings on pieces of 2ft Sq cardboard.

Either that or the recession.

[QUOTE=Evertonian;70357293]No it's not a figure based on Emirates. The £400 million figure for New Anfield came from the previous administration and was widely publicised in multiple media locally and from the London/Manc illuminati.

manc isn't in cahoots with london, it's a phoney construction from which to rule us in the north. You, of course, are oblivious to this coz you believe everything you get from the telly. In other words you're an idiot.





Let's see how you twist this one. :lol:

You're the one who is twisted, because your starting point isn't the truth or facts or anything so petty as that, but what the london media has formed in your mind and you work from there.

You need it. You cant believe it's a load nonsense. People ,on here, have explained this to you, but you're too dumb to understand.

I managed to get a derby ticket £47 it cost me, couldn't afford to pay that week in and week out though.

The obsession with flags and banners.... or even scarves.

The total lack of spontaneity that a "flag-day" represents.

It's like a pantomime!

At least its organised by the fans

Flags, banners and scarves.......

Flag days?

I just don't get it!

evertonians generally don't, too cool to wear colours or indulge in 'kopite' behaviour don't ya know.

He left by "mutual" the other day when I said to PoolCool "you'll be glad to know he's gone". The coaches and backroom staff were notified late afternoon. Any delay was in tieing up loose ends and trying to bring some dignity to proceedings.

I'm told that there was a lot of dissapointmentt as the staff and players liked and respected Roy. The owners wanted it to work out at least until the end of the season and wanted to repect him. Believe it or not the footballing side of things was NOT the overriding reason. It was his comments against the fans. The hierarchy won't have a major public relations nightmare.


As for Kenny.

I have had the privilege of discussing football casually with Kenny on a couple of occassions. Spend 5 minutes in this mans company and tell me he isn't the man to pull this club out the shit.

A masterstroke on a number of points appointing him till the end of the season.

1. Fernando, after 5 mins talking to this kenny, is going to be salivating at the prospect of a former striker who's whole gameplan will be tailored to putting that ball at his feet. Total kindered spirits.

2. Attendance will shoot up the relationship with the fans will be unreal. There are players at that club for whom this will be a dream.

3. Media masterstroke.


enjoyed reading that:cheers:

Flags, banners and scarves.......

Flag days?

I just don't get it!

evertonians generally don't, too cool to wear colours or indulge in 'kopite' behaviour don't ya know.

You're probably right, it's all a bit too Geordie for scousers ;)

I managed to get a derby ticket £47 it cost me, couldn't afford to pay that week in and week out though.

Would you take £100 for it?:)

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Flags, banners and scarves.......

Flag days?

I just don't get it!

evertonians generally don't, too cool to wear colours or indulge in 'kopite' behaviour don't ya know.

Except when there dressing up like smurfs !:lol:

I managed to get a derby ticket £47 it cost me, couldn't afford to pay that week in and week out though.

Think this will be my last season of attending league games. Will be down to the odd FA Cup, Coca Cola Cup and Europa Cup matches from here on in.

Would you take £100 for it?:)

Good try:) but no.:cheers:

Think this will be my last season of attending league games. Will be down to the odd FA Cup, Coca Cola Cup and Europa Cup matches from here on in.

This season has been a revelation for me, tickets have been dead easy to get hold of but the cost is disgraceful, its difficult to justify the cost unless your on really good money.:ohno: which I'm not.

Good try:) but no.:cheers:

£150?

I was away and left it too late to apply this yr and missed out. If home, I've only missed 1 Anfield Derby in the past 37 yrs.

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The kop is a bigger structure than it's ever been yet it is a shadow of its former self in EVERY respect..... banners, flags and all can't hide that. I have to say I particularly enjoy the biblical ones, bring a tear to any good catholics' eyes..... (of laughter). The badgeman is also positively certifiable.:lol:

If you like biblical ones Tom...

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If you like biblical ones Tom...

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haha.... They could get a good 30-40 banners out of that, easy!!

It's the whole desperation to perpetuate the myth of being the "best fans in the world". The desperation to be seen to idolise..... anything! They really do out-newcastle newcastle!

It's hard to believe, but most of these are probably adults:

http://http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=268912.0

£150?

I was away and left it too late to apply this yr and missed out. If home, I've only missed 1 Anfield Derby in the past 37 yrs.

Now your just making me feel guilty, wouldn't mind but your a bloody bluenose! if roy had still been there you could have had my ticket at face value:lol: but the ticket is priceless with Kenny back.

Hope you get sorted though.

Your just jealous deep down though, must be fucking miserable being an everton fan especially for the kids, the fan mafia ban you from wearing colours, scarfs, singing, banners, flags....too kopite!

Whatever you say the place will be bouncing come sunday, I'll be taking me scarf and I'll be enjoying meself so shoot me!

Everton chants seem to consist of 'HANDBALL' 'PENALTY , 'TON, TON, TON' the rest of it is made up of chants about us like.

Flags, banners and scarves.......

Flag days?

I just don't get it!

good, because that would make you the same

The kop is a bigger structure than it's ever been yet it is a shadow of its former self in EVERY respect..... banners, flags and all can't hide that. I have to say I particularly enjoy the biblical ones, bring a tear to any good catholics' eyes..... (of laughter). The badgeman is also positively certifiable.:lol:

Atmosphere at most prem stadiums is a shadow of its former self, The Kop in full voice is still better than most. At least at liverpool flags and banners are made becos the fans get them made, at chelsea the club helped pay for some of their banners and hand out shitty free flags.

I don't see the problem of fans organising things, its when the club has to get involved that its embarassing.

Rumoured team for tonite, be good to see Johnson pushed further up.


Reina

Kelly Agger Skrtel Wilson

Johnson Mereiles Lucas Maxi

Kuyt

torres

It looks like KD has seen something and actioned upon it in less than a week what it took RH 5 months not to see.

The fans have mooted it, the media have, ex players etc.......

Watch out.


You're gonna win the league...you're gonna win the league...

(with or without scarves ;) )

Would you go as far as saying 'It's on'? :D

I'd say phil nevilles transfer to tottenham is on.

Now your just making me feel guilty, wouldn't mind but your a bloody bluenose! if roy had still been there you could have had my ticket at face value:lol: but the ticket is priceless with Kenny back.

Hope you get sorted though.

£200, and I'll make a banner too.... what about a flare?