^^ yes i wondered about this as well.

it would have been easier to seal the marina properly.

Time for Thread Part 2 :banana:

Project: Infinity Tower
Floor count: 80
Type: Residential
Height: 330m
Status: Under Construction
Architects: Skidmore Owings & Merrill
Website: www.infinitytower.com
Construction start: 2006
Construction end: Early 2009 (according to press release (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6&section=0&article=74386&d=8&m=12&y=2005&pix=business.jpg&category=Business))

Part 1 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=257977)

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I was told at the London show by Palma that completion has been put back to June 2009.

Well the orginal date of Dec 2008 is not going to be met thats for sure, Someone in last thread said it was going to be Q1 2009 but i think June 2009 is probaly more realastic as 6 month delays are common.

Anyway i don't want a rushed apartment i want a high quality finished apartment and for that i'd be willing to live with a delay of 6 months.

All i can say at least they seam to be being honest from the offset if only when you ask rather then saying everything is going according to schedule.

I wonder if we ask if they'll rescehdule the payments.

I did ask - not as yet!

What have Palma said about the plot in front of Infinity???

Unfortunately I didn't know about this at the time, but I'm in Dubai in a couple of weeks and will call into the office to ask and see what I can find out.

The Infinity developer told me today that the plot in front of Infinity has been designated by Emaar as a car park - multi story or what I don't know. I guess we just wait and see. If the podium in front of Torch/MH has restaurants etc then this may be the replacement of the car park that has disappeared in front of MH. Presumably Emaar has to respond and do something to keep Spinney's etc happy in the long term. Also Sheikh A as owner of Grosvonor House might want a car park, possibly landscaped on top there or else a tower block looks at the Grosvenor Hse pool. The lucky money might be lucky if they bought sea facing but the smart money presumably bought facing Grosvenor to avoid the anxious wait to see what happens to that sea facing area.

In my case, the smart money bought facing the Grosvenor because that was all that was left!

I doubt it will only be a carpark that space is too valuable and if GH Residence is oppisite then it means most likely be a tower here.

Anyway my smart money bought facing GH and at that moment i did have choice but we bought facing GH as we knew what was there and there would be no hidden supprises.

Also i think most 1 beds either face GH or the marina towards phase 1.

The Infinity developer told me today that the plot in front of Infinity has been designated by Emaar as a car park - multi story or what I don't know.

I'd bet anything this is not true :rofl:

Any of you construction experts have an idea when this tower will be fully completed ???

late 2009

^^ a bit optimistic

2010 Q1

i agree with imre. hope the construction interest doesnt bankrupt me...

Shame we're going to have a while for this one, but will be well worth it. My favourite.....will be the best looking tower in Dubai if not the World !!!

Just a thought on what will happen to the plot infront of Infinity.Part of the transport system that has been approved is the tram link between the Marina running along the coast road all the way past the palm and down to Jumeriah Beach hotel etc.From the maps I have seen Infinity will be the last stop because the trams are not going over the bridge towards GH. In that case it will be the end of the line which means no room for a tower because it will in effect be the last tram stop. Put a few upmarket cafes there and an open space with a bit of green to relax and watch the boats come in and out. Just a thought.

I like it! But wishful thinking comes to mind!

Amazing look, and more amazing construction! :shocked:

This is my first post on this forum, ole! :nocrook:

i have just heard a terrible rumour. is everyone sitting down?

the diaphragm wall has collapsed and this plot is now part of the marina!!!

someone PLEASE tell me this is bad information!

where did u hear this rumor?

yesterday I wanted to fishing there but the small road was closed ... tomorrow I will try to see:)

Well, if you use untrained, underpaid and overworked labourers there's no doubt they'll do a shit job and stuff like this will happen

Don't panic. Noone injured apparently. I am told that it was actually the Emaar built Marina wall that suffered a collapse that has affected the Infinity wall 13 metres away but the developer seems to regard it as a nuisance that will require rebuilding rather than a big deal. Maybe someone can take an aerial from Grosvenor House.

did this happen today, greenkiwi? i hope my previous post was a gross exaggeration...

info from a PM friend, krazy. i think he was trying to scare me.

Well, this explain why was all that water pouring in from Marina intoo the Infinity pit (discussed on the previous thread).

Shall we call completion 2012 then. Either way which ever wall has collapsed a little extra work will be required by someone.

All fun and games on this construction site, Ture Blue you want to join in.

Altin, the water was coming in from the ground anchors drilled through the wall and into the bedrock. If these anchors have failed it could have an effect on the Emaar wall also.

One thing is for sure, if they can't keep the water out then work will stop until the breach is repaired.

Wonder if all the plant is under water. On the first flight tomorrow to look at it! :goodbye:

i have just come back from site and have taken a few photos. the situation looks pretty dire. the entire excavation is filled with water. there is a breach in the diaphragm wall and the marina has just gushed in. the watchman told me this happened at midday today. can someone suggest how i can upload the photos. i dont have attachment rights on this site. oh, all the equipment that was in the hole is still there it seems. i saw the top of one machine sticking out above the water.

Lucky escape for 100 workers

Staff Report


Dubai: Nearly 100 workers at the site of the 'tallest building with a twist' had a lucky escape yesterday as a wall holding back the Dubai Marina waters breached and flooded the foundation site.

Excavation work on the 80-floor Infinity Tower was nearing completion when there was a sharp and loud sound, said a worker. "We then saw sand pouring down the sides," he said. The workers were ordered to evacuate immediately, said the foreman.

The Dh700 million 80-floor tower is to have a 90 degrees twist. According to a manager of Arabtec, the incident is under investigation.

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/General/10102709.html

9714:

go to www.imageshack.us

upload your pic

copy paste here the [img]http:.... img] tag that appears once you're done uploading .

Alternativly you can email them to me 9714, you have my email address if not Private Message me and i'll send again.

If there was an excuse needed as to why Infinity was not delivered on time hears the perfect one, not that Cayan seam like that kind of company from the dealings with them so far.

These things happen all the time in Civil Engineering. The fault is likely to be due to too much haste. Everyone pushing it to the Limit.

I did say that the basement operation is by far the most impressive I have seen and young Engineers should get in there and learn first hand. A real shame its gone wrong. If there is anything funny, it happened to me a long time ago. I instructed the removal of vital shoring in a coffre dam to install piles for a bridge pier in the middle of a major river. The calcs proved it was safe however we got a torrential down pour of rain and the river rose 3 metres in 1 hour. The coffredam collapsed and the riggs and cranes were washed down the river ending up on their sides. All in the name of haste.

Sorry if I'm boring the arse of anyone, sounds better in a bar after a few.

Arrive in Dubai Friday am and will offer my tuppence if they want it.

^^ Always got something intresting for me to read. I may have gone wrong but still would be good for young engineers to know how not to due it in future.

Just a bad day at the office, we all have them, Look forward to your tuppence when ever it comes.

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Question for True Blue. Marina Pinacle is a hole in the ground now beside Princess Tower. Is Princess Tower fully secure or if those next door mess up could the foundations give way? If there is a risk I hope all Infinity owners check their insurance policies and cross there fingers when and if DAMAC eventually get going next door.

image taken last night. not too clear but the extent of the flooding can be seen

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08/Feb/2007

Infinity Tower

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Wow

That looks really major stuff.

Trueblue

How long do you reckon to get all the water out ?

OMG!
At least no-one was hurt on this one. I'm pleased you're so calm, True Blue, as it looks pretty major to me. I had an email from Cayan - the masters of controlled understatement.
"Don't worry about Infinity - everything under control"

"Don't worry about Infinity - everything under control"[/QUOTE]

Famous last words!!

Wow

That looks really major stuff.

Trueblue

How long do you reckon to get all the water out ?

I think, minimum 1 year delay...

something was wrong ...

26/01/2007


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1 year !!!

Thats a long delay......

Did they started the piling on infinty? If so do they have to do it all again?

That does look major i wonder what force or work on Infinity side made such a chunk of the marina wall to be swept away.

I'm a little worried with this disaster since having bought in the tower, could take months and months to get back to the stage they were at before this occurred.

Also not being a construction expert will standing water affect the stregnth of the piles under ground leading to the eventual tower being weaker. Or as mission said will they have to re pile now.

Obivously i can't blame Cayan as it non of there doing and it might no even be the contractors fault but if it's going to be 1 year delay then i think payments should be slightly resechduled at least so instead of May for next one July or August should be min movement.

OMG this really is major and will take time to resolve.

Expect this for a long time for the Dubai Marina. Now it has happen. Hope it's the first and last break of a wall between tower and water.

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I think the cause may be a lot more complex than just saying the marina wall collapse was the cause. Why did that happen? I have no technical competence but my uneducated guess as a layman is that all that water flow we have been seeing washed away some of what was between the marina wall and the foundation wall causing a void area and then the collapse occured. So whose fault is that? Like all things this could well be an accumulation of different issues all of which ultimately lead to this.

...it might not even be the contractors fault... Was there an earthquake, a major downpour and flood; did a ship ram the exterior wall? This wasn't force majure. How it happened may be complicated, but the contractor dug the pit and failed to provide adequate supports. This is clearly the fault of the contractor, who should be liable for any compensation due for the certain delay in completion. Investors' contracts are with Cyan, so Cyan should offer compensation to buyers, while ACC will need to compensate Cyan.

To be deservedly harsh, building an effective barrier wall should not be rocket science for a major construction firm. This is not one of Palm islands. They have screwed up, whether on the planning or workmanship level.

^^ You mean A.P.C.C. (Al Dhafra Piling Company from Aby Dhabi). ACC is a Dubai based construction company not involved in this project.

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^^ You mean A.P.C.C. (Al Dhafra Piling Company from Aby Dhabi). ACC is a Dubai based construction company not involved in this project.
OOPS.

26 January...

Prophetic (thedubailife): Bit worried about this swimming pool we have in each update. The picture shows it come down like a waterfall. Looks like marina might extend in to the Infinity Basement.

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Not so prophetic (True Blue): Some serious civil engineering going on here. This is the kind of project that young engieers should consider working for free on as the experience gained on this type of job is priceless and could set them up for the big money salaries later in life.

Sorry, True Blue, but I can't see any excuse for this sort of thing except for someone messing up--maybe not an individual, perhaps faulty procedures company-wide. This is too big a mistake (potentially fatal) to accept as anything less than completely unacceptable, to be avoided at all costs.

Water filtering in from the Marina delayed Tower B construction of Marina View Towers. Looking at this I didn't realize how serious this could become. At the time EMAAR was held responsible for, as they built the Marina and sell plots right at the edge of it.

Don't worry.......Infinity investors have a good contract in place..... here's a recent reference to it from another tower's thread:

Quote " there is no comp clause in Cayan contracts, however they do have a 6 months delay exit clause. You can get a full refund if the contract slips by 6 months. Good enough for me! "

You're all well covered then..... !!! :ohno:

Oh Dear, that i ssome breach. Luckily it happened during a lunch break otherwise the loss of life could have been huge if there really were 100 workers in the pit.

I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but this is going to need some serious work to fix. Not sure if it is possible to rebuild the marina wall while it is submerged, if not they will have to somehow isolate it, drain it and then build it up again. Maybe someone with some expertise can shed some light.

I suppose the next argument will be who fixes the mess. EMAAR for having a weak wall or the contractor for screwing it up. How big is the construction contractor? Can they take the hit of working on this for a year just to get back to where they were, may even have to redo a lot of the work.

OOPS.

26 January...

Prophetic (thedubailife): Bit worried about this swimming pool we have in each update. The picture shows it come down like a waterfall. Looks like marina might extend in to the Infinity Basement.



Well the things you say, it's was supposed to be a joke, now every Infinity investor wants to know where i live........calm down i got money invested in it too.

I'm really worried with this talk of massive delays Cayan need to re sechdule payments if this is gonna be major and i was hoping to see this rise out of ground sometime this year.:bash: :bash: :bash:

If I were an investor here I'd be tempted to invoke the "delay exit clause" have my money back and invest in a development where the contractor is more competent. There'll be a nice one going up shortly in the centre of the Marina !!!

^^I don't see how Emaar can be blamed. The wall of the canal was constructed to prevent the embankment from caving into the canal. What happened here is that the embankment was modified--the digging of the pit--thus resulting in the Marina bursting into the excavation kit. Clearly, it is possible to build alongside the Marina without this happening. Therefore, such a failure has to be the fault of the excavators. They were obliged to shore up the excavation wall more effectively than they did.

The foundation site of the Infinity Tower was flooded after a wall holding back the Dubai Marina water breached.

Lucky escape for 100 workers
Staff Report

Dubai: Nearly 100 workers at the site of the 'tallest building with a twist' had a lucky escape yesterday as a wall holding back the Dubai Marina waters breached and flooded the foundation site.

Excavation work on the 80-floor Infinity Tower was nearing completion when there was a sharp and loud sound, said a worker.

"We then saw sand pouring down the sides," he said.

The workers were ordered to evacuate immediately, said the foreman.

The Dh700 million 80-floor tower is to have a 90 degrees twist.

According to a manager of Arabtec, the incident is under investigation.


source:www.gulfnews.com

Don't you just love the negativity, A.P.C.C and Arabtec are involved in some major Duabi developments. So if they not competent for Infinity then i'd be worried with the number of projects they are involved in.

This one flooded whats the next one going to do come tumbling down.....i hope not.

So do they have to redo the piling?

The message being put out by Cayan seems to be not to worry, the delay is only going to be a few weeks and 'just' needs the wall to be rebuilt. We will see!

Don't think so. They should concreting a wall between the Water and the plot of Infinity Tower and then pump out the water in the plot.

Then they should take up their work again!!

Hurry up guys!!! :runaway:

Don't you just love the negativity, A.P.C.C and Arabtec are involved in some major Duabi developments. So if they not competent for Infinity then i'd be worried with the number of projects they are involved in.

This one flooded whats the next one going to do come tumbling down.....i hope not.

Hi

I am worried A.P.C.C are the mob that done the piling on Ocean Heights the minute I saw there name on a tank at the site yesterday my heart missed a beat I wonder if they had anything do do with it ! :cheers:

The message being put out by Cayan seems to be not to worry, the delay is only going to be a few weeks and 'just' needs the wall to be rebuilt. We will see!

Do they have any other good jokes.......i think they being optimistic. i reckon 2 months min.

Hi

I am worried A.P.C.C are the mob that done the piling on Ocean Heights the minute I saw there name on a tank at the site yesterday my heart missed a beat I wonder if they had anything do do with it ! :cheers:

^^ Ocean Heights plot and Infinity plot are a totally different kettle of fish. If A.P.C.C are doing as many projects as some say I am sure they know what they are doing. IMHO the accident was caused by a number of factors, haste being a major player.

Seriously, don't worrry.......I reckon the delay will only be 3/4 weeks won't take long to rebuild the Marina wall......all hands will be on deck.....and remember we're sending our very own consulting engineer True Blue over to sort it out. :horse:

how worried should people be on a scale of 1-10 are cayan the new damac

What rubbish. Cayan have suffered an unfortunate incident but are delivering other projects competently. DAMAC are well ....just not delivering. Reserve judgment. The test of man is how he responds to a crisis. My belief is that Cayan will get past this whilst DAMAC is still scratching round in the sand pretending to build something. What's the bet that Infinity will be topped off before Ocean Heights 11 gets above ground level next door?:bash:

My first reaction after finding out that noone was hurt was to laugh.

hen it hit me how serious this is. if this had happened later could it have corroded the foundation?

and how the hell are they going to fix that wall? i remember wondering how the walls were going to be watertight walking around inside the marina before it was flooded, hopefully this will be a wake up call, and ensure it doesnt happen again.

Rebuilding this wall and pumping out the water is a whole new kettle of fish. The piling contractors are not dredgers. Someone new will have to be brought in for this. The companies that do such work are probably already contracted at all the reclamation sites offshore and on-shore in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Ras Al Khaimah. So it could take weeks just to get someone in to start the job.

Once the wall is rebuilt and the water pumped out, the piling contractor, if they are not replaced, will have a major job of shoring up not only the damaged section but in addition a much wider area to make sure it doesn't happen again. This all will involve engineers going back to the drawing board, liasing with Emaar and the develpers of neighboring plots, etc. This all could easily take the better part of a year.

and how the hell are they going to fix that wall?

Thats what I can't understand. From a laymans point of view they will need to dam/partition off the busted wall from the Marina channel, pump out all the water, rebuild the wall and then remove the dam/partition. But I can't even change the washer in a tap let alone understand what needs to be done here. Unless they can start building the wall underwater and bring it above ground I can't understand how they are going to do it and I am going mad thinking!

Someone please tell me so I can sleep :nuts:

I really wouldn't panic about this yet. I don't think the situation is as bad as it looks. Let's await True Blue's report once he has spoken to Cayan and no doubt he'll give us some accurate timescales on the re-building work.

I can't believe this has happenned - thank god no one was killed.

Has anyone tried to call Cayan/Palma yet? We were already looking at major delays on the 31st Dec08 completion date, but now, who knows? Q3/Q4 2010?

Also, is this plot safe given what's happenned? Are the other plots safe?!

This is not good...time to check the contract..

i'm with dubailife. lets find a bright side. apcc and arabtech both have impeccable track records in dxb. this incident will certainly serve as a wake up call and will hopefully lead to better construction of this project. as with the recent fire, people throughout dubai will sit up an take notice. all eyes will be on this job from here on in and that scrutiny will hopefully result in a more successful project.

oopps that seems like a major issue.

can anyone get us an update from the site?

page two, seen them also some minutes before :)

I also think the delay will be longer than most people here expect. There's a lot of stuff they'll have to do, and loads of safety checks, etc as well along the way. Let's see how they handle the situation

I have no construction experience, is this unfortunate incident is a warning to developers,too dangerous to build on the water edge.

Another question is why was nothing done when their was obviously a leek?

Well i'm sure Ture Blue our own in house construction expert will let us laymen know more once he get's to dubai and finds an internet connection.

I'm sure 9714 Project Manager friend will know more over the next few days as to the plan of action.......that is if he's not got the Sack...........

They coould do something like that.
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They coould do something like that.


Problem with that is that none of the boats currently in the marina would be able to go out :-)

EMAAR just closed the marina again for another bridge at the mega-roundabout, the marina is already full of sand there!

So the have to think of something else or wait 15 months until the bridge is done :-)

Here's a view from the GVH Pool, unfortunately no access with kids to the GVH Club for a bird's eye view

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And here's the reason why no cofferdams in the near future:

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Problem with that is that none of the boats currently in the marina would be able to go out :-)

EMAAR just closed the marina again for another bridge at the mega-roundabout, the marina is already full of sand there!

So the have to think of something else or wait 15 months until the bridge is done :-)


There's no need for them to go out all the way across the marina, they only need to go out a third or half way at most, leaving room for boats to pass at the other side.
What concerns me is the fact that the Marina wall may well have been leaking, I'm worried that the Marina may not be sealed correctly and leaks could develop in the future affecting the structure of anything near to the edge........or am I just getting paranoid ??

There are not enough docks in the Dubai Marina area to meet the demand. And, Palm Jumeirah is too far away. This means that dockage can be sold for a premium price and they are very cheap to build. Ninety-story buildings are expensive and the profit margin (if any) will be minimal due to the questionable foundation. If the final profit is the same, then why not move the seawall and build more docks?

This end of the marina is too shaded by towers, they block the view of the sea/Palm. However, I'd rather see them build Infinity Tower because it's such a great looking building.

Well, looks like you've got the picture of situation at infinity. After a dreadfull flight over (due to weather delays) arrived in the marina Friday. Only managed to get speaking to someone on the constuction team Saturday. Met the senior Engineer from APCC at the Trident Grand site.

After an hour of discussion I can only conclude this for the moment. The cause is not yet known nothing can be done until the area is drained and thoroughly inspected. How they go about this is going to depend on a number of factors. A floating crane barge has arrived in the outer marina and I suspect they will attempt to squeeze it under the bridge at low tide. The thing the APCC engineer kept stating was that this problem will let them demonstrate how good they are at their work.

My opinion is that this is not down to a botched job, if it was then the Infinity wall would have collapsed on its own and the marina wall would have remained. I think we are going to be looking at a geotechnical problem. It looks to me like something in the ground has gone as a result of the pressure from the excavation, taking the marina wall and Infinity wall together. The hole in the marina wall is wider than the infinity wall. You would expect it to be the other way. If this is the cause then its a straight forward insurance claim. I got the impression that APCC are not hanging around to fill in forms, they are getting straight down to business and clear this up as soon as possible.

My assessment is about 2 - 3 months delay (but what do I know)

I will be meeting with Cayan soon.

Update

Met with the lead consultant for the sub-structure, Khatib and Alami, on Sunday morning. He had his proposal document completed and ready to present at the main meeting to be held with Emaar that afternoon. This means that they burned the midnight oil on this problem and worked through the weekend.

The intention is to float in a crane barge and pile two rows of sheet piles in a semi circle around the breach. The piled walls will be cross braced like a truss on plan and then infilled. This all requires Emaars approval and will restrict or even block access for boats. They are going to request that the new bridge construction is halted and a channel opened to provide alternative route for boats.

The cause of the collapse remains a mystery. The excavation had been completed and the final row of anchors were being installed when cracks started appearing in the diaphragm wall. The bottom of the wall had an 8 metre toe-in, so the existing works and passive resistance from the toe in should be enough to resist the loads. No water was passing below the toe of the wall so scour can be eliminated. During the stand up meeting, he did allude to the fact that a redundant culvert was discovered during the walling phase and this may have contributed to the failure.

I didn't take notes as the discussions were conducted very openly and frankly and I wanted to keep it that way. A list of all the plant still in the hole was dictated and this is what I recall.

1 Crawler crane
2 Tracked excavators
2 JCB's (may be a duplication of above)
4 Compressors
some others but can't remember the exact details.

Finally, the incident went without event as it was a progressive collapse. When the drillers reported the cracks appearing in the wall to the Foreman, he ordered everyone out of the hole. No attempt was made to rescue plant, safety was priority. Everyone watched from the surface as the cracks widened and eventually the wall burst.

I was given an open invitation to return to the site office for an update before I return home. Before that, I want to get in some skiing as the snow in Dubai is better than in Scotland at the moment. Who ever expected to read these words?

^^ Hey Imre. New update on this one??

Update

Met with the lead consultant for the sub-structure, Khatib and Alami, on Sunday morning. He had his proposal document completed and ready to present at the main meeting to be held with Emaar that afternoon. This means that they burned the midnight oil on this problem and worked through the weekend.

The intention is to float in a crane barge and pile two rows of sheet piles in a semi circle around the breach. The piled walls will be cross braced like a truss on plan and then infilled. This all requires Emaars approval and will restrict or even block access for boats. They are going to request that the new bridge construction is halted and a channel opened to provide alternative route for boats.

The cause of the collapse remains a mystery. The excavation had been completed and the final row of anchors were being installed when cracks started appearing in the diaphragm wall. The bottom of the wall had an 8 metre toe-in, so the existing works and passive resistance from the toe in should be enough to resist the loads. No water was passing below the toe of the wall so scour can be eliminated. During the stand up meeting, he did allude to the fact that a redundant culvert was discovered during the walling phase and this may have contributed to the failure.

I didn't take notes as the discussions were conducted very openly and frankly and I wanted to keep it that way. A list of all the plant still in the hole was dictated and this is what I recall.

1 Crawler crane
2 Tracked excavators
2 JCB's (may be a duplication of above)
4 Compressors
some others but can't remember the exact details.

Finally, the incident went without event as it was a progressive collapse. When the drillers reported the cracks appearing in the wall to the Foreman, he ordered everyone out of the hole. No attempt was made to rescue plant, safety was priority. Everyone watched from the surface as the cracks widened and eventually the wall burst.

I was given an open invitation to return to the site office for an update before I return home. Before that, I want to get in some skiing as the snow in Dubai is better than in Scotland at the moment. Who ever expected to read these words?


Hi True Blue

Another good piece of investigation and well written.

The North of Scotland is experiencing Blizzard conditions at present,so head up to to the Grampions and you will get all you can handle.

Could you do me a favour and look over the wall at Ocean Heights to see if they are in construction phase yet, only if you are passing True Blue.
They told us in January it has begun, I think it was a con to collect the deposits in on January as per build phase.Everytime we ask who are the main build contractors we are met with a wall of silence, this is the reason I do not think anything is happening because they cannot get anyone to do the build for them. :cheers:

^^ Hanna, keep on mind that A.P.C.C. is doing the piling on both Infinity and Marina Height, so I would (logically) suppose that what's happened on Infinity site has effected (slowed if not halted) work on MH as well.

^^ Hanna, keep on mind that A.P.C.C. is doing the piling on both Infinity and Marina Height, so I would (logically) suppose that what's happened on Infinity site has effected (slowed if not halted) work on MH as well.

Hi AltinD

The load tests were completed last month so there should be no more delays
APCC were supposed to off the site. :cheers

I was on the Ocean heights site on October 2006 and spoke to the APCC Engineer in charge of the piling, he told me they had only the contract for the piling work, all the shoring and build was to go to another construction company.
I was told there were 10 such companys wanting to do the work, it has been a long and very hard decision to make by Damac because they have no one on board as yet, that is if you believe the Bullshit from Damac. I don't think they have anyone and the way it is going this could drag on throughout 2007.

:cheers:

14.02.2007

special diving team arrived

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What the diving for to find the keys to the crane or did someone leave there lunch box down there.

Surley damage assessment can only happen after water removed.......i can say one thing without even going for a dive the marina wall is down there :)

But more then likley they trying to stop the oil leak from crane which someone mentioned.

I think they are trying to determine how far down the breach occured. If the wall gave way near the top and water "overflowed" in they have "relativley" small problems but if the breach happened near the bottom of the Infinity excavation which I am sure is much lower than the Marina bed then they have huge problems because I am sure it will have taken a lot of the Marina bed with it. Pluging a hole in the side is hard enough but plugging a hole that spans the side and bottom will have it's own issues.

Above is just IMHO, feel free to shut me up if you know better :)

Anybody know whether the piling will be affected and will it have to be done again ??
Also is there any danger that all this water will be constantly seeping down into the ground and affect other towers ??

The piling will be unaffected. The piles are below the Water Table in all of the projects so the piles are constantly submerged.

The breach is likely to have been at the lower level because the lower you go the higher the pressure on the wall. Also it was the anchor drillers working at the bottom of the excavation that noticed the cracks forming.

The divers will be videoing or photographing the extent of the breach and determining the locations of sound structure on which to start the temporary piling from. There are also sections of marina wall which have sunk. They need to determine how stable they are and what is holding them up. Concrete is twice as heavy in air than it is in water, so draining without knowing what is going on could cause another section to collapse under its own weight.

The current situation with forces is that the water being even on both sides of the wall is removing all lateral pressure. With the entire structure submerged it is also lighter by around 40%.

Construction Halted? :ohno:

yes, what's so special??

As ever True Blue an excellent explanation, At least the piling is not affected which is good news to us laymen.

This has been conspicuous in its absence from the local media...

This has been conspicuous in its absence from the local media...

^^ I've read about it first in Gulfnews the same day it happened!

^^ weren't you saying this happen like a couple of days ago ?

Thanks to 'LuckyMansions'

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^^ Why has the water changed colour? or are they filling the hole up with something?

^^ Why has the water changed colour? or are they filling the hole up with something?

Hi

I am sure the tide has back filled the hole with sand it looks completly full
of sand now :cheers:

That is not sand, you can see from the flow that the thing is pouring out from the Infinity pit intoo the Marina and not the oposite.

I think they have poured in that porous materials used by piling companies to fill in the holes when they dig/excavate so the side of the holes will not cave in.

True Blue?

Well it's going to be a learning exercise for everyone. But it's already been a week so i think this could take several months and with summer coming up means progress will be slow even when this issue is sorted.

it's as if it's a reinactment of the hare n tortoise story.... in this case OH2 being the tortoise and Infinity being the hare

I wouldn't be very optimistic on the prognosis of this tower. I don't see any reason why it won't get built, but these towers on average take 4-years and this one has been set back a year I would say. This tower would be somewhat on a par with Le Reve where obviously a lot of time and care went into the interior finishings, while in Infinity a lot of time and care will have to go into its unique design. Le Reve--with a lot of money behind it took 4-years and it still is not, in fact, complete, with interior work on the penthouse ongoing. I don't see Infinity done anytime before the end of 2011.

^^ I hope your right and they don't rush things now because of this unfortnate incident and they stay with the plan of providing a qaulity finish especailly to us small time investors no doubt penthouses and lofts will be quality.

I alos hope it is not end of 2011 as thats 3 years added to the original completions date i'd say 2010.....1 year for this and 1 year because towers are always late. But you could be right.

I have a feeling this might put Emaar off doing anything too large in front of MH & TT.

Doubt it, i don't think Infinity was any closer to the wall then GH basement is.

But earlier before piling even began they found a culvert adjustments were made becasue of that but that may have also been one of the contributing factors to the collapse.


I think EMAAR will contiune as normal maybe have more precastions and anyway if it's meant to be like phase 1 then why would they be put off phase 1 is still standing.

They have already started aswell. And this is dubai, money over everything!

That bridge really needs replacing, it looks awfull!

We went into the Cayan office last week. They will be letting everyone know what is happening by letter as soon as they have established exactly what has happened and what they are going to do about it. A new payment schedule 'may' be set up. They are still saying that as far as they know from Emaar there will be no building next to Infinity.

^^ Thats the situation as of now with regards to there being no building. But EMAAR can change the plan when ever they like. But still good news.

Here's to hoping that they do change the payment plan........just help me out a lot :)

:) Infinity is great

I still think that The Eternity Tower by DOS Architects will be build on the plot infront of Infinity. No way that will remain empty; not only it is clearly marked as a regular plot on the map, but just opposite to it, on the other side of Marina, work started on Grosvenour House Residence.

If Sheikh Ahmed is willing to block the sea views of his own hotel's guests, do you really believe Emaar with think twice about those of the others?

^^ Agree with you there i don't know what tower it will be but there will be a tower might not be immediate. EMAAR always uses clever language when describing these things.

Probaly like there are no plans for a tower on that plot yet, only cause were busy elsewhere :)

We went into the Cayan office last week. They will be letting everyone know what is happening by letter as soon as they have established exactly what has happened and what they are going to do about it. A new payment schedule 'may' be set up. They are still saying that as far as they know from Emaar there will be no building next to Infinity.

I also spoke to Cayan last week and was told that they will write to everyone within the next 2 weeks.

At present it's uncertain whether there will be a change in the payment schedule, that depends on how long they estimate the delay to be...

If I hear any further news I'll let you know.

sure you are right thedubailife

but once infinity is back on track and the bridge is approaching completion, the DOS architects tower is going to appear here, i am pretty sure.

But what better neighbour could you ask for then The Eternity Tower by DOS Architects.

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=154

Also been called Infinity before but i'm sure it will take the new name

You'd better email the Cayan team and ask them!

You'd better email the Cayan team and ask them!

I meant this new DOS tower has been called Infinity in th past but more likely have a new name if ever built.

Cayan can only say what they know which is no tower next to Infinity....Some one mentioned a Tram or something as well who knows. Time will tell.

Arabtec Awards Vigilent Staff





The Management of Arabtec Construction presented Awards to 5 members of its supervision team working at the site of the Infinity Tower at Dubai Marina for their vigilance which prevented what could have been a deadly disaster to 39 workers at the site.



The incident happened as the workers were assisting the project owners and the piling contractor with the foundation works on site 20 meters below Ground level.



The supervision team noticed a slight movement and cracks in the diaphragm wall adjacent to the Dubai Marina and alerted the management who ordered an immediate evacuation of the site.



The diaphragm wall collapsed and crumbled within 2 minutes from being noticed as the workers were scrambling over safety ladders up to the ground level. The whole site was totally flooded within 4 minutes.

has there been any movement at the site . It has been a good few weeks since the wall collapse does anyone know if anything has been done yet or have they started anything

yesterday I saw the site , nothing...

An architectural action shot! Now that's drama!

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Thank goodness the supervisors were so diligent - the workers wouldn't have stood much chance in a flood like that.

Wow, amazing picture!

it looks almost as if it was PSed...

OMG thats a disaster !!!!!

The day when Infinity Tower, became an Infinity Pool

for the infinity investors.. it's almost as if you "spent your money like water"

:lol: :lol:

Any news on whats actually going to happen. I have heard nothing

the pic is impressive but i'm not happy about that what i see on it

what a shot :eek:

Photo of the year!


Lucky their were no boats passing!

09.03.2007

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One Month on and does not look like much has happened.

yes same as Fortune Tower fire , 2 months and nothing..

have you seen any activity on OH2 Site Imre?

nothing, same as before

Got a letter of Cayan today,

It basically says the Emaar along with Cayan contractors will finalise in the next couple of week a full assement of the situation.

They are calling the incident an event of Force Majeure and are giving the approriate notice as per sale and purchasing agreement.

There initial assements think the set back is a delay of 4 - 6 Months from the 7th of March 2007.

The last bit says although contractually they are not required to adjust the payment sechdule but as a good will gesture the management have decided to postpone all future payments by 6 months.

So May 2007 payment will be due in November 2007.

So thats the offical status in a few paraphrased paragraphs.

That's the only good news to come out of the situation. Thanks for posting that Dubailife!

lol, the crane is still under water... that can't be good.

:eek2:

And that picture taken during the marina wall breach is incredible!! Glad there were no workers in there when it happened.

It's a real shame about the delay. What's happened to the completion date now?

I was looking forward to seeing this go up. This is a SOM design isn't it?

Force Majeure..well...

^^ It's more of a Force Majeure then what other developers use as exceues, like the working hour restriction during summer.

Off course not best situation for anyone but i'm happy in that at least the payments have been delayed.

Completion date at the earliest is going to end up being End of 2009 but more realistically i think it will be somewhere around or after mid 2010, Developer as such has not mentioned this but in Nov 2007 when payment will be due they are sending an new payment scehdule. I'm sure that will give the developers new estimated completion date.

It's a real shame about the delay. What's happened to the completion date now?

I was looking forward to seeing this go up. This is a SOM design isn't it?yes it is a SOM design

Here are some even better 'disaster' pics. This is the stuff of urban legends.

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omg scary.... what a shame (such a great tower)

Unbelievable sequence shots. Revealing a lot about the stages of the collapse.

Note in the second picture that the Infinity wall has completely failed and the marina wall is still intact with water passing below it. The marina wall eventually fails when the base is completely scoured away and it can no longer support its own weight.

Just amazing!!

so Emaar has nothing to do with it, is that what you want to tell us?

Would be interesting to see the design of the marina wall and how far down it is "planted". There is a lot of water spouting out below the marina wall. The photos don't tell us where the breach started, was it right down at the base or at the same level as the base of the marina wall. If the breach is higher up at the level the photo is at, then it will be a much easier repair.

Do wonder if this is the culvert that I heard about, where the water is pouring below the wall.

such a shame.. pilling was nearly done.. when the water is gone pilling will need to be repeated or the actual pilling is now usable?

such a shame.. pilling was nearly done.. when the water is gone pilling will need to be repeated or the actual pilling is now usable?

Big part of job will have to be repeated. Sea water isn't good for foundations. :ohno:

^^Then they have to make it new?? Why they couldn't close the hole in the wall and pump up the water!!!! This always takes so much time!! :bash:

:ohno: I think Infinity Tower is not a good investment anymore.

think they've enough money to overstand this

^^ Thats my worry that we end up with a poorer quality tower i.e cost cutting on interiors etc because of this.

All i can hope is since it is an iconic tower that Cayan will still finish this to a high quality

There is no justice in this world. If only this had been the Ocean Heights 2 tower, no one would have been that bothered. (It'd have only moved the completion date from 2050 to 2055). But this is a real gem. Shame to see it in this state. But im confident they'll soon (6 months?) sort out the mess and get it back on track. Here's hoping.

Whilst this is undoubtedly a major blow, it's still a relatively short term problem. If and when the foundations are sorted out, Infinity has still won all those major architectural awards and will still be an iconic building. Cayan seem to be very good at communicating with everyone and nothing about the actual concep[ of the tower has changed. I still think it's a great investment.

who is the structural consultant for this tower if anyone here know?

i believe SOM were engineers and architects

Khatib & Alami

khatib & alami may be the architects/ engineers of record but they are not the design engineers.

^^ They are the enginering consultant and that was asked.

SOM would also be structural engineering consultants. anyway, splitting hairs.

anyone know if there has been any change on site?

Would have expected some action to start by now...........hope we hear something soon, this is the best looking towe(r) in the Marina and they need to start sorting things out here.

hahaha just the name tells it it will take the inifity to finish it....

infinity to finish it.........sorry spelling or censor???

Podium not done yet.

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Great work Malec!

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That's an incredible graphic. Will the real thing really look that amazing?

No, even better I hope!

I read yesterday that this had originally been designed by SOM to replace the World Trade Center in New York, which I hadn't heard before.

Two months and no action - has anyone heard any news or 'unofficial' rumours? Cheers

It's too bad that the construction is on-hold, but how can be possible that Dubai has this kind of incidents, they owners have to put more attention to the security of the workers, because if this continues Dubai will have death wokers.

And workers has to be the most important part of the constrution, becasuse they sacrifice theirs lifes everyday to give us these wonderful creations.

Dissappointing that there's no news after three months now since the incident. Seems like there's going to be a big delay here, would at least thought some repair work would be underway by now. Going to be a long time IMO to see this rise now. As great as this tower will be, if I were a purchaser I'd be tempted to invoke the "delay exit clause" and invest elsewhere.

We not had any update maybe IMRE can see whats there when he's around there next time.

Cayan have been good in that they have delayed the payment due in May til Nov which is when next one was due.

As a purchaser i would find it hard to sell for the reason that i love this tower hence why i purchased at the high price they were charging compared to say the Torch near by at that time.

Also would potential new purchasers not realise there was alot of water in the wrong place.

Delays are no good for anyone, including the developer, so lets hope things move in right direction and hopefully by end of year it might be close to comming out of the ground

Last week they were picking up with a crane, machineries and tools left inside the pit.

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^^ :)

Nice one!

13/April/2007

Infinity Tower

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Thanks for the update Imre. True Blue or anyone with tecnical expertise - does it look as if much is happening?

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overview

Thanks IMRE and Dubai Flo for your updates, Seams like there is some equipment in place to do something about the problem.

I believe we should see real progress soon...this confirms what I heard earlier this week

What did you hear Limey?

Thanks IMRE and Dubai Flo for your updates, Seams like there is some equipment in place to do something about the problem.

Those machineries there do NOTHING on solving the problem. They are there just to partially clean the mess.

Basically they are just lifting the machineries that were left in the pit when it got submerged. The real work will not start until a barge is anchored there. They have to seal the pit with a kind of cofferdam, as they do when they build bridges on water, and then start drying up the pit.

Altin, I think there is enough evidence in the pictures to support the possibility that the work has commenced and it is not just a salvage exercise.

In Imre's photos there is a barge with a crane and an anchor driller on deck. I was not sure if this was the driller lost in the hole, but ask myself why would they drop it on the barge instead of on dry land.

In Flo's shot the monster crane looks as if it's using the clamshell attachment to demolish the damaged marina wall. These two points are enough to make me beleive that they have started.

The biggest problem the Infinity team have had to overcome is Emaar. If this was an Emaar site, they would have ceased work on the new bridge at Bayside and got straight on with the job of repairing and reconstructing. As the new bridge has sealed the marina off from one end then the work to repair the breach is going to have to maintain access for boats. This makes things really difficult. We are talking 10 times more difficult. The easiest solution would be dry dock the entire zone and see the problem up close. Carry out reconstruction with no hydraulic loadings to worry about and Bob's your Uncle. Obviously the boats would have to enter and exit from the Sheraton end of the marina.

K and A requested Emaar to stop work on the new bridge before the infill was deposited in the Marina, but they refused.

The developer then has 2 choices;
1. Wait for the bridge to be built and the access re-established. (Cheapest option, especially with the investors money in their bank gaining interest.)
2. Take the most difficult method and twin coffredam an arch braced and filled with rock and concrete shear slabs. All while allowing boat traffic glide past.

All in all its good to see something happening rather than nothing other than a whole load of developer press releases telling the world how great they are!

Dissappointing that there's no news after three months now since the incident........................ if I were a purchaser I'd be tempted to invoke the "delay exit clause" and invest elsewhere.

Investors in Infinity paid no more than DS are asking for Bay Central. BC is still behind Infinity in terms of progress despite the set back. If you are suggesting that Infinity owners sell and move to BC or any other DS development, I would recommend that to be bad advice.

i love your analysing style true blue.

thanks

Thanks for the information True Blue. I agree with your advice on Infinity too. The whole flooding is a huge blow, but Cayan have postponed the next payment and Infinity will still (eventually) be a great tower.

Investors in Infinity paid no more than DS are asking for Bay Central. BC is still behind Infinity in terms of progress despite the set back. If you are suggesting that Infinity owners sell and move to BC or any other DS development, I would recommend that to be bad advice.

What a cheek.........I'd never suggest anything so outrageous :lol:

What did you hear Limey?

Hi Lovedubai & fellow Infinity fans/investors,

I spoke directly with the developer last week and found out that a lot has been going on at the site i.e. items already removed etc., and that works will continue to progress and become more visible soon.

I have to say that so far I have no issues at all with the developer - they always reply in a prompt, efficient manner. I think it's easy to get worried if you are an investor on the other side of the world, but I have to say that Cayan have been great so far. Let's hope that they continue to do so over the next few months/years!

I still think that if this project is completed to a high level of standard, then this will be one awesome tower... :)

Thanks Limey- good to hear things are moving. I've found Cayan and Palma to be very efficient and friendly too.

Hi Lovedubai & fellow Infinity fans/investors,

I spoke directly with the developer last week and found out that a lot has been going on at the site i.e. items already removed etc., and that works will continue to progress and become more visible soon.

I have to say that so far I have no issues at all with the developer - they always reply in a prompt, efficient manner. I think it's easy to get worried if you are an investor on the other side of the world, but I have to say that Cayan have been great so far. Let's hope that they continue to do so over the next few months/years!

I still think that if this project is completed to a high level of standard, then this will be one awesome tower... :)

Good news then.......hope we see some action soon. I agree will simply be a stunning tower.

True Blue, I already mentioned that the repair work will start when a barge will apear, so I don't think I was wrong afterall. ;)

Altin, You and I are both made from the same mold. I can tell by the subjects that interest you and the things you notice that others would not give a second glance, but not least, we are both right even when we are wrong. :lol:

^^ Well this time I didn't check Imre's thumbnail pictures before my original post. Only after your post I went and checked them all. :D

I have came to know bad news today from an insider from the managing company. They say that infinity project has been cancelled. any one can confirm this news.

^^ i trust in this information ...

0 %.

i repeat, 0%.

Perhaps djq80 could elaborate. Without giving the name, what is the capacity of the "insider" with relation to the project? Could it be that the cost of remedying the disaster cannot be covered by the profits that would have been made on sales from the project? Perhaps it is more profitable to recover insurance money, if any, return the payments made by purchasers and sell the plot.

well it has been months since the accident and it has taken that long for some sad person who was bullied at school to try and scaremonger. bye bye and crawl back under your stone I am afraid your first post to ssc has been unsuccessful

This news came from Projac, the body that is suppose to manage the project. Do not kid your self (whatever your name is), if you do not believe it, go and check for yourself better than making silly comments on the forum. cheers

It's definitely not impossible. First of all, the piles could have been damaged which means they'll have to start over. Also the land might not be suitable for building a 330m skyscraper on anymore.

EMAAR won't allow that to happen. And seriously - they have to build something significant there - fixing this stuff and constructing, say, a 8 story building or a car park there seems out of the question, as the costs wouldn't justify the gains. Plus - remember, it has to look nice and appropriate with Ocean Heights 2 just next to it :D J/K

Speculation is one thing, but malicious rumours must be avoided.

I think the services of Projacs may have been terminated due to the fact that there is currently nothing for them to manage. This is being interpreted by the alleged source as a project cancellation. There is no point in paying for their services if there is nothing current for them to oversee. Makes sense!

Pay top fees for design from SOM, contract one of the largest foundation installations in the area then abandon the whole project at the first set back, doesn't make sense.

I am speculating that this is just Projacs being released to save money.

I'm not saying the tower's been cancelled but it is possible that plot has become unsuitable for building such a large building. In that case they'd probably just move it somewhere else. I don't see ocean heights II being built any time soon so they could buy that plot from damac and build it there.

And move Infinity away from the marina edge so that another tower can be built in front? No thanks!!!

Sounds like a nasty rumour - until we hear officially from the developer. Let's hope it hasn't been cancelled....

I have a Unit in Infinity and a pretty good relation with the Developer...

For your info, Projacs has lost the Infinity account quite a while back and the new Project Management Co is Currie & Brown...

So I would imagine Projacs are a bit miffed with this...

Anyways... a barge is already there and some massive cranes clearing the debris etc... good action going on.

re my last post. It was a bit rude and curt so I apologise. This forum is a friendly place and I accept that DJQ80 made his/her comments in good faith.thanks

I am a little worried now I have lots of money on this project I cant belive it would be cancelled

it will not be cancelled, they'll build it

The accident happened on 7th Feb so not yet three months ago.......I did think it had been longer than this.....so it's still relatively early days yet and far too early for speculation that Infinity is cancelled. I can't see them pulling this one as I assume the land has all been purchased and paid for and no doubt it wouldn't have been cheap. Also Dubai has a "can do" attitude and Emaar wouldn't want to have any failures of this magnitude around the Marina.

A photo taken today. Looks promising.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6195/dsc09911jc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[In Imre's photos there is a barge with a crane and an anchor driller on deck. I was not sure if this was the driller lost in the hole, but ask myself why would they drop it on the barge instead of on dry land.

In Flo's shot the monster crane looks as if it's using the clamshell attachment to demolish the damaged marina wall. These two points are enough to make me beleive that they have started.


2. Take the most difficult method and twin coffredam an arch braced and filled with rock and concrete shear slabs. All while allowing boat traffic glide past.

All in all its good to see something happening rather than nothing other than a whole load of developer press releases telling the world how great they are![/QUOTE]




Great shot 9714 - good to see something happenig.

True Blue is this the start of what you thought would happen?

^^ YES IT IS!!! :banana:

^^ yeah exactly :dance:

even i can see this. i am pretty impressed.

To infinity and beyond! :banana:

Love It :okay:

All systems go :)

Some good news at last!

I knew it! Now, I'm not too familiar with dubai buildings but I knew there was something wrong with this picture. I stayed at grosvenor house last weekend and our room was facing this giant hole. I just wasn't sure if it was infinity or not...gosh that really sucks!

Ps--dubai was freakin surreal with all the construction going on! I loved it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/captain_cookie/100_0083.jpg

going forward fast

i can see you in the mirror :D

interestinf picture though, are they sealing of the basement now?

No longer on hold! Can we move this back to Under Sea? I mean Under C. :lol:

Once all the water's gone and piling (or whatever was going on at the time) has resumed I'll change it back.

26.04.07

can see a barge blocking the waterway and i gess its gonna dig in piles at the entrance n then pump the water out ..

http://i15.tinypic.com/2ypdsw9.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/2prep0k.jpg

:cheers:

more..

27.04.2007
What I can see is awesome!!!!! :eek:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7859/imresolt094qy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5721/imresolt088in2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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The new wall looks kinda thin and crappy. That's not all there is to it, I presume?

This is the most bizarre construction update photo I ever saw :lol:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7946/imresolt098oz7.jpg

thanks:)

and these:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4941/imresolt098we6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9734/imresolt106gg1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Nice fishing spot for IMRE, plenty of free Dinners there.

Fish and Chips anyone?

:lol: Maybe there are some potatoes for the chips growing in the ocean heights or ocean heights 2 plot next door.

what's going on here? are they building a barrier, I can't work it out!

of course they build a barrier ^^. they want to have the water out of the plot for the tower :)

Once all the water's gone and piling (or whatever was going on at the time) has resumed I'll change it back.

Sorry Malec, don't follow that logic. On hold, to me, suggests nothing is happening. Clearly there is something of big interest going on here, infact of much more interest than what is happening at Bay Central for instance.

Gorilla' The Barge is installing a "gate". This is a frame which supports the larssen piles while they are being driven and keeps them in a true line. Slight problem I have here is I think they have started too close to the end of the breached wall. IMO it should be back in line with the last sound part of wall. I can't see under water so may be they know better than me.

This is the most bizarre construction update photo I ever saw :lol:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7946/imresolt098oz7.jpg


Maybe the beers that you owe to Flo and he suposely to Nick ... somehow found their way to Imre :D


;)

Where do all these fishes and the disgusting medusa come from? :nuts:

The sea?

Actually I rather like them and think Cayan ought to incorporate an aquarium into Infinity to remind everyone of what once was there at the start of the tower's construction. They could have it as a water feature like the Burj al Arab - better than the big stone wall that's going to be in the entrance anyway.

Perhaps we should change name ("Infinity") of the tower, because nothing is immortal. Except Elvis, of course. ;)

:dj:

^^ Yes, he's alive and serves super greasy chicken wings (in backets), on the KFC near my home. One time, when no-one was around, I talked to him and asked for an autograph.

... It got me alot of dough' on eBay. :banana:

Top idea, Lovedubai! An aquarium is a grand idea. They should make the new retaining wall out of glass!!!!

Might get a bit murky with all the boats...

Anyhow - an aqaurium of sorts is still a grand idea!