i can see you in the mirror :D

interestinf picture though, are they sealing of the basement now?

haha yeah too bad I wasn't naked. I'm not sure what they were doing. I just saw a barge parked there forever?

3rd May:

http://i16.tinypic.com/6b1movq.jpg


http://i16.tinypic.com/54khqx4.jpg

^^ Yes, he's alive and serves super greasy chicken wings (in backets), on the KFC near my home. One time, when no-one was around, I talked to him and asked for an autograph.

... It got me alot of dough' on eBay. :banana:

:weird:


Great updates and shots though, they are really working now and the barrier is pretty advanced now.

should be able to pump out the water pretty soon, once Emaar (i presume it will be Emaar?) has rebuilt the marina wall/promenade.

We'll see if piling continues then or what will happen..

:weird:
..

Phhhtt ...

...nothing is immortal. Except Elvis, of course

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/491493728_48c92e4cd2_b.jpg

maybe True Blue gives us some expert comments:)

18/May/2007

Infinity Tower

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:dunno:Not sure what shape they are making the coffre dam. It's not the shape I expected.

The sheet piles in at the wall have been stiffened up with H piles in every trough so I'm guessing they might be stabalising these sections with a concrete plug. To be honest , it's not easy to see whats going on in the photos other than installing the piles and fixing walings.

Imre you need to get in the helicopter again and give me some overhead shots! ;)

Thanks:)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4655/imresolt195iq3bx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

why they dont close the site there and pump out the water ???

They have made the "U shape " , why? want more fish?:)

:weird:

should be able to pump out the water pretty soon, once Emaar (i presume it will be Emaar?) has rebuilt the marina wall/promenade.

Come on, why should Emaar take responsibility for this mishap? The wall was holding up fine until they (Cayan) started to remove the soil from behind it. It is logical that if you remove the soil from behind such a wall, the wall will be potentially weakened unless it is properly supported from the side that was dug out. It was the responsibility of Cayan to get this right.

It does not matter who fixes the problem. Just good to see things are moving to fix the problem.......time to reloacte IMRE fishes soon :)

Thanks:)

why they dont close the site there and pump out the water ???

They have made the "U shape " , why? want more fish?:)

They are on it! Just that they are up to something I can't work out. Possibly the under water video revealed something that they are dealing with.

The piles are very long and very strong with the H sections welded on to them. Once they start removing the water, then the full force that caused the breach will have to be resisted by the temporary works. The pressure is mainly caused by the hydraulic force of the water.

If everthing in Civil Engineering went without incident then there would be no challenges for the professionals. Young engineers nowaday think that all they have to do is turn on a computer, press a button and the solution appears in front of them. This is the type of challenge that seperates the men from the boys. :banana:

True Blue, do you think they are reclaiming a bit of the wall at a time - i.e. add a U shape onto the end of the wall/pathway that was there before, pump out all water and then fill with concrete/whatever ... so there is a shorter span of just piles trying to hold back the water when they do start pumping.

Just an amateur guess, hope i have not embarrassed myself.

^^ I honestly don't know what the short term plan is because the shape of the sheet piling does not make too much sense. Imre's guess that they are building a maze to trap fish is good for me :lol:

Wrapping the end of the marina wall suggests they will fill it with concrete to prevent further movement and erossion. The return section they are piling in the photos could be a thrust block for the temp dam to prevent loading the marina wall. There was also talk of a culvert that was blamed originally for the breach, perhaps they have located it and are forming a box coffre dam to plug it and seal off any further water routes. Really am guessing until a shape becomes obvious, sorry!

between Marina Views and Time Place:

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8026/imresolt067an7ml5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what are you think about?:)

which plot is that?

^^ No sign of dewatering, silly people!

which plot is that?

between Marina Views and Time Place

i meant the tower which will be build on that site ;)

^^

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=435915

or

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=395189

^^ and this is related to Infinity tower how??

it would be the same story...

thx imre :)

it would be the same story...

So you are predicting another breach in the Marina wall?

no, I just posted pics

So, what does "it would be same story mean" coming inside of the Infinity thread? I'm really lost on the import of the photos and recent posts?

there is no dewatering , we will see later.

Are there any updates on this tower , it seems to have come to a stop. Have they started to get rid of the water yet.

I have seen people working on the sight, the water has been evacutaed partly, and a floating crane is on the sight.

many thanks..... hopefully we will see a lot of change in the coming weeks and months

Imre ....do you have any photos of infinity plot being drained please. I presume there will be all sorts of machines at the bottom of the pit.

^^ Do you mean machines related to drainagge like pumps, or actually are you talking about machineries that got flooded/submerged when the perimeter wall breached?

If the later, I belive whatever was left on the pit was picked up and removed from there a couple of months ago.

Oh I didnt realise they had recovered all of the equipment earlier. Any news on how long this has now put the project back

^^ Developers are pretty good, I am sure it is their priority to get this started again. Unlike some other sites

15/June/2007

Infinity Tower

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Why they don't pump up the water???:bash: :ohno:

^^ they can only pump water out once they have built a barrier to hold back the marina wall maybe it's not quite there.

Looks like some work going on, on a Friday.

ooh boy, looks like this one is gonna take a long time.. i expect a long long delay

Nice work Imre, I see you took the trouble to walk around to get views from different angles.

OK then, sheet piling finished and they are starting infilling inside the coffre dam to increase the mass, effectively creating a reinforced dam. Good point is they have inserted a row of struts across the marina walk to allow the arch stresses to be reinstated during the dewatering. This will help to stabalise the remaining structure when the hydraulic loads start to increase.

Some one will be keeping their fingers crossed while this is going on. :)

Should be ready to start dewatering soon, maybe 1 week.

Let's hope A.P.C.C. get it right this time. :runaway:

Very informative post True Blue - let's hope they get the water out soon.

Photo taken 14th June 2007, Infinity (plot recovery) to marina basin

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07252/InfinityMarinaPanoLowres.jpg (http://xs.to)

That's great new that the tower hasn't be cancelled. I hope they ingeneers solve all the problems and start with this wonderful tower.

I have just spoken to my wife on the phone in Dubai. She is probably wrong or is confused but she tells me that the area that is being used in front of infinity as a car park at the moment is being boarded off and they are varnishing the hoardings. She probably has the wrong location. Has a more reliable source who lives in Dubai seen any movement here. thanks

I'll move this thread back to the marina subforum when the water's drained.

Pics from today

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Where's the barge? Does that mean the retaining wall work is completed and they can start with dewatering?

there was definitely no barge in the vicinity and the water level already seems lower. perhaps dewatering is already underway.

the parking lot ifo the site didnt look to have anything untoward happening on it. it does like activity is starting on oceans heights 2 though.

now that does look promising doesn't it..


As for the Damac site.. they might just put some advertisement boards on it and maybe a project board now that it's launched..

That are wonderful news, when do you think the contruction will start?
I hope that this won't happen again, because it can cause injuries to the workers. I think that a contruction when the workers can work safe is a good construction.

29/June/2007

Infinity Tower

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Can someone please explain what they are doing? True Blue?
The sheet piles dont appear to be 'into the marina' enough to allow the enabling works contractor space to rebuild the retaining wall and quay wall (after dewatering the infinity plot). Perhaps they are not doing this because of the damage they would do the marina floor. Any explanation?

Thanks, as always, for the pics, Imre.

Has the water been removed?

Not yet.

06/July/2007

Infinity Tower

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what is the next step?

Looks like Belt and Braces over the top design now! Suppose they can't afford any more failures here.

I had no clue what the vertical steel column sections, sticking out the water, were for. Now I can see that they are acting as temporary supports for the installation of even more struts and bracing. These struts will be installed in levels, probably as the water level is reduced.

5 months delay now and counting, bet APCC have all sorts of inspectors breathing down their necks. They should start slow draining soon to check water tightness and inspect the remaining works for integrity. This will also give them access to install the lower levels of bracing.

20/July/2007

Infinity Tower

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6898/imresolt154bf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2769/imresolt156db0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9290/imresolt157gq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So not much change on the surface of it, Maybe they hoping all the water will naturally evapourate in the Hot summer, save on pumping bill :)

So not much change on the surface of it, Maybe they hoping all the water will naturally evapourate in the Hot summer, save on pumping bill :)

And then, they can collect the remaining salt and sell it to compensante for the extra-work :lol:

Hmm this is not funny , The next payment is due in Nov and im thinking if the project isnt at the stage it was before the failure should I even make the payment ...

I was hoping the pumping would start now , any ideas why they havent done so i mean technical issue or are they just running out of money now

I was at infinity plot last friday and it looked to me as though they were ready to start pumping. Plenty of generators and hoses going into the water, also plenty of workmen on site and lots of activity....

sounds good, hopefully they'll really start soon

The next payment is due in Nov and im thinking if the project isnt at the stage it was before the failure should I even make the payment ...
Just wondering.....
Will Cayan pay compensations for delays?

This is not Cayans problem directly. APCC will be footing the bill for completing their part of the contract. (the foundation piling and diaphragm wall)

Where Cayan may have a problem is that they formed a contract for the build with Arabtec and then were unable to hand them possesion of the site within the stipulated timeframe. Arabtec may be within their rights, depending on how the contract is worded, to claim uplift on the price to cover the increases in material costs and wages etc. This may not be a problem as the interest on the money already collected may be sufficient. The client may also opt to forward purchase the materials to eliminate the effects of possible increases. This may have already taken place to ensure that long leadtime components like rebar stocks, cutainwalling, glass etc are all available for the contract to progress. The client therefore needs cashflow to keep these things moving. So far that is one thing that Cayans' team have been good at on the other projects and when this gets going again I am sure it will maintain good progress.

The next point is that as an investor, you are also a party in a contract and that contract states that you make payments at a particular date. These payments are not linked to site progress. The 6 months grace was a goodwill gesture, and not the first time for Cayan to do this.

I still think this is a good investment and location to go for. I have sent a few investor friends in this direction as this event has opened the door for some good deals. Why would anyone want to reserve in Damac Heights at 2000AED/ft and wait endlessly for the thing to start, when you can sit on your 1200AED/ft investment that is atleast 2 stages further ahead.

As for compensation, they don't pay it as there is none written into the agreement. Other developers brandish compensation clauses at point of sale to get you to sign, then don't pay up. Be carefull about judging developers on their compensation policies. Better to judge them by their track record on diligence and customer satisfaction.

Can't believe the color of that water. It looks absolutely foul! It looks like the green color of corroding metals.

^^ It's stainant water after all, so is to be expected.

Just wondering.....
Will Cayan pay compensations for delays?

No Compensation, but a delay in payment by 6 months as a goodwill gesture as explained by Ture Blue.

As an Investor, i was happy with that as it helps me now and not compensation at the time of handover in 2 or 3 years time.

has any of the investors in this tower spoken with Cayan to see what the action plan is to get the construction back up and running again? been quiet for a while...

Come on already, why can't they move on with this!

03/Aug/2007

Infinity Tower

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8486/imresolt144so4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Thanks Imre - great pics. Finally the water level is dropping! Clean up should gather pace now!

^^Nice work Imre, the water level is going down steadily.

I wonder if Malec will now consider the move back to UC thread?

The guys on the raft have just set the waling supports so they may hold the waterlevel at this height to allow them to install another level of bracing/struts.

not too much water left

26/01/2007

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6125/photo097pq8.jpg

almost no more water..


what do you reckon? new piling? ground testing etc all over again?

^^ Flo, that's an old picture he posted to show how deep the hole is. There is still a bunch of water in the hole, though I don't think it will be too long now.

Construction company just killing time here, I’m sure there are easier ways, they could have got rid of water in days, rather then waiting for months.

So much for this tower being the first twisting tower in the World....Its already been done!

http://www.turningtorso.com/

The first " twisting tower was built in Sweden in 2005 and it has a height of 190m.

http://i15.tinypic.com/54lrd60.jpg

^^ Take a second read. No one claimed is the FIRST, rather the TALLEST.

Construction company just killing time here, I’m sure there are easier ways, they could have got rid of water in days, rather then waiting for months.

Leave that please to the engineers who knows better. ;)

Construction company just killing time here, I’m sure there are easier ways, they could have got rid of water in days, rather then waiting for months.

Before you start building the new wall and get rid of the water you want to now why it collapsed in the first place. And then there things like assurance and who was responsible, the engineers or the builders of the Infinity tower. Those things eats a lot of time. :)

OK. Altin & Tag-one, got your point.

Hopefully insurances should be all shorted by now. And work will begin again soon. While water disappears in summer heat.

Before you start building the new wall and get rid of the water you want to now why it collapsed in the first place. And then there things like assurance and who was responsible, the engineers or the builders of the Infinity tower. Those things eats a lot of time. :)

You forget to mention that you have to make sure by reinforcing the perimeter, that a collapse will not happen while or after the water is pumped out, which explains why the pumping is being done in stages.

OK. Altin & Tag-one, got your point.

Hopefully insurances should be all shorted by now. And work will begin again soon. While water disappears in summer heat.

They ARE working on the site, they were actually since day one and the water isn't evaporating, it is being pumped out.

As for the insurance coverage I don't know how it works in these cases or if the builder had one.

So much for this tower being the first twisting tower in the World....Its already been done!

http://www.turningtorso.com/

The first " twisting tower was built in Sweden in 2005 and it has a height of 190m.

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That looks real shite !!!

Infinity is a different type of twist to the one in the picture it's a more gentle floor plate move of 1.2 degrees on each floor.

Your right the one above does not look to good.

have you seen the pics on the SOM website? Quite nice. Check te gallery link.

http://www.som.com/content.cfm/infinity_tower

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^^ not attractive project. Very simply, no art...

why the sudden dislike of the turning torso?

i believe it is a quality building and would very happy if infinity turns out half as good.

:ohno: Turning Torso is one of the best buildings in Europe!How dare you!:lol:

That looks real shite !!!

It does not look good because the building not tall enough for a nicer twist.

^^ Well, we can actually all agree with that. :D

17/Aug/2007

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OK by looks of it there still water coming back in small amounts, Although the overall level of the Water has fallen.

Problem is how do you build a wall if water still coming in .......over to you True Blue

^^ still drunk on that water:lol:

^^ The sheet piling is doing a good job. The water ingress is not a serious problem, it is just a slightly bent clutch on the sheet pile allowing water in. The way to sort or stem it is to use dried sisal rope or hemp and jamb it in to the leaking clutch with something like a chisel. The hemp swells with the water and seals the clutch.

It looks like they are already working on it as we can see in this picture that they have made access to the problem area.

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For me this is the most interesting site in Dubai at the moment ...

True Blue, I envy your knowledge. Fascinating how something so low-tech is still the best answer to the water leaks.

I can't wait to see how they re-build the marina wall ...

Speaking of buildings with a twist, here are the Dubai Towers awaiting approval to be built in Istanbul, Turkey.

Tower one: 300m+
Tower two: 250m+

Real Infinity feel about these towers....

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For me this is the most interesting site in Dubai at the moment ...

most interesting after the Burj Dubai site for me :)

Speaking of buildings with a twist, here are the Dubai Towers awaiting approval to be built in Istanbul, Turkey.

Tower one: 300m+
Tower two: 250m+

Real Infinity feel about these towers....

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one of ma fav at qatar

and there is elso at jeddah ksa dubai tower costs 1.8 billion $

I think that in the next year they'll start the tower, because now it looks awful.

^^ The sheet piling is doing a good job. The water ingress is not a serious problem, it is just a slightly bent clutch on the sheet pile allowing water in. The way to sort or stem it is to use dried sisal rope or hemp and jamb it in to the leaking clutch with something like a chisel. The hemp swells with the water and seals the clutch.

It looks like they are already working on it as we can see in this picture that they have made access to the problem area.

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great emergency technique ....thnx for more info about that true blue i hope ur one of chelsea fans lool

^^ Coming from Glasgow!! :ohno:

My team recently beat Chelsea 2:0 in the True Blue challenge :cheer:

2-0 mmm which team ???:ohno:

2-0 mmm which team ???:ohno:

Celtic

24/Aug/2007

Infinity Tower

water coming back everywhere

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Thanks for the update Imre. Not good news - it would be nice to hear from Cayan what is going on though!!!

where is everywhere ?????? it looks ok to me . the workers are confident enough to put equipment down there. I would have thought there would be a few small cracks until they sort them out. see true blue on 346

then close the marina already build all the towers and then open it again i dont see it that hard to figure out !!!!!!!!!!!!

Work to restart on flood-hit Infinity tower
CONSTRUCTION UAE
24 Aug 2007
Work on the Infinity tower project at Dubai Marina is to restart in October, after the site was flooded earlier in the year.

In early February, the diaphragm wall on the site collapsed and water from the marina poured in to the basement.

Remedial works to the 20-metre-deep basement’s diaphragm walls have been carried out over the past few months, and the excavation is now ready for any remaining water to be pumped out.

The flooding happened when workers who were preparing pile caps for waterproofing noticed that there were cracks developing in the secant piles that supported the diaphragm wall.

The site was immediately evacuated and the wall collapsed within two minutes. The entire site was flooded within four minutes. None of the 39 workers who were on the site at the time were injured.

The project is one of the most striking at Dubai Marina. The 303-metre, 75-storey twisting tower will rotate through 90 degrees. The structural system for the building will be a cast- in-situ reinforced concrete column superstructure that steps by about one degree at each floor. It will have five basement levels and a total built-up area of 112,000 square metres.

The local Arabtec Con*struction was awarded the AED 700 million ($191 million) contract to build the tower in November 2006.

Bahrain-based Projacs International is the project manager. The US’ Skidmore, Owings & Merrill is the architect. Lebanon’s Khatib & Alami is the local consultant.

Saudi-based Cayan Investment & Development Company is the client (MEED 24:11:07).

R

75 floor 303 meter? Maybe they're not including the podium and alternately the roof feature.

Hi Guys,

just wanted to see if any of you are interested in selling your 04 units (marina view) in the Infinity. Pls msg me if you have one for sale at a realistic price. I am looking to buy.

Cheers,

Ash

most the water is gone and construction to start again in October is all good news...

31/Aug/2007

Infinity Tower

unlucky plot

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WOW! Thats really bad luck!!!

R

mountain out of mole hills ....................whats the big problem ????????

Oh dear what does this mean are we going back to square 1 with this one or is this the normal kind of thing that happens on marina side plots, Cayans other project Silverene is also adjacent to the Marina wall hope this isnt a sign of things to come

Such a shame, looks like they may have to lift the machines out again if the water keeps rising.
I really feel for the developer and investors here, puts other minor niggles and delays on other projects into perspective.

Hang in there.

They can pump out the water far faster than it is coming in ... how they repair it is another thing!

I would suggest the natural station for the marina and entrance to JBR would be right outside the infinity plot.It will also service the yacht club etc.If they put a tram station and not a tower there bearing in mind there is 3 lanes both ways for cars etc over the bridge(eventually) and the tram running along side then watch the prices soar even higher. Direct into media city etc etc from the lobby sounds great




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From the Arabic Daily al-Bayan
3/9/07

The Trains Corporation, part of Dubai’s Roads and Transport Authority, has announced the selection of Systra as a consultant to the Sofouh Tram Network, a network designed to provide service to about 210,000 workers and 180,000 residences. The feasibility study has been completed and work on the preliminary designs has begun in June of this year.

Engineer Abdaradha Abulhasan, director of planning and design in Trains Corporation of the Roads and Transport Authority, said the proposed line will run from Dubai Marina/Jumaeirah Beach Residence, passing through Dubai Media City and Knowledge Village, heading toward Madinat Jumeirah, Mall of the Emirates, and Burj al-Arab. This system will not only be an effective solution to ease traffic congestion, but will be an important element to attract tourists to Dubai, he said.

Abu Hassan added that the contractor will start work in January of 2008, and will take about 21-27 months to complete the project. The first phase is scheduled to open in September 2009. Planning is under way to build around 19 stations on the 14-kilometers line. Three stations will be transfer stations on the red line, at Emirates Mall, Dubai Marina, and Jumeirah Lake Towers.

The lines will be provided with escalators to facilitate the movement of pedestrians. The service will also include a station to transfer to the Palm Network, a single network built by Nakheel to service the Palm, said Abdul Majid al-Khajah, Executive Director of Trains Corporation. He said the tram service will be able to handle 5,250 people per hour in each direction, and will be integrated with the metro stations as well as bus lines.

Maybe (as someone already mentioned this) the solution is to block the canal and drain it and let Infinity developer do what he need to do to seal the plot completely, for once and for all..

I'm well aware this is easier said then done, considering all the work involved in closing the canal and who will bear the costs...etc... but is it even possible to do?

This is one of the nicest towers in the area and it's too bad it had come to this!

i go from worry to stress to total fear when i see whats going on with Infinity , next payment is due soon i want to see real progress otherewise i might argue and not pay on time

That isn't much water coming in in those shots. As long as it doesn't break again, that amount is no big deal.

07/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower

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Perhaps TrueBlue can tell us how they can stop the leaks coming through via the steel in the concrete?

hmm...still lots of water inside the plot

Good update Imre, thanks. Nice to see some heavy plant operating in the "hole" again.

The section of diaphragm wall to the left of the breach is showing signs of damage and will need to be repaired or replaced. Water is coming through the anchor holes under pressure. To stop the water ingress I think they need to release the chocks and repair the hole then drive in new chocks to seal it up. Big problem is, these anchors are all that's holding the wall in place at the moment.

Not sure of the way forward, but pressure pointing or grouting behind the wall may sort it. Another possible solution would be to install the same long struts across from the back wall to support it while the anchors are sorted.

Certainly not straight forward. The basement area may end up being affected if they decide to cast a new wall inside the existing one and abandon the idea of rebuilding the damaged section. Anyone's guess at this stage.

trueblue............is there a chance that the water will breach again like in february or is what you are saying just more work that needs to be done until they can crack on and start building etc etc.Also is what happened here having an effect on any other developments next to the marina or was this just a one off. thanks in advance

maybe this is better than te pics

07/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower


3ijaZY-S2K0

^^ Good vid, it helps yes...

It's clear that nothing is going to stop the water pressure leaks, and as noted earlier by TB, you can not repair a main wall that's holding the water, in first place. I asked this before and no one commented, so here goes again; is it possible to drain the canal, and if so, who would be responsible for the costs?

maybe the piling team (APCC ,Projacs, Khatib and Alami) or the Emaar and their consultants(if the marina wall was wrong there)

OMG :sly:

water = no progress too bad !!

What is the chances of the developers/authorities saying -

"Were really sorry guys, building a 80+ fl tower so close to the waters edge was a really, really bad idea and were gonna take a common sence tablet and call it a day"!!

And furthermore promise not to be so silly again, with particular referene to plots in front of the Torch and Marina Heights.

Firstly, any event is possible as regards a further breach. However the engineers will have assessed the risk and be sure that it is safe for people to be in there working. The temporary works installed earlier will support the marina floor and walls. It is the inside wall that is leaking the water but is no longer having to support the marina. This limits the loading on the wall and gives them an chance of being able to effect a repair or replacement of this section.

The stone being placed against the wall is used to increase passive resistance and again reduce the work the wall and anchor system are required to do. The engineers will have a plan and may add or alter it depending on what further information they obtain from exposing and viewing the affected area.

Newuser, I'm sure I explained earlier that dry docking or draining the marina around the affected area would have been the prefered option. The problem is the construction of a bridge near Bayside resisdence/ Timeplace. This has blocked off the alternative route for boats entering or leaving the marina, so Emaar are likely to have rejected this option.

Altogether frustrating for investors but fascinating for engineers :)

^^ Thanks True_Blue for your constructive feed back... I can imagine engineers and contractors are learning off this for future work near the canal...

I hope it all gets straightened out, a delay is better then a patch job that may lead to another accident and cost lives... We may all had part in this accident by jinxing the beautiful tower destined to that plot. :)

10/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower


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10/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower


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What on earth is that thing they're putting into the leaking wall?!!?

You've heard of the Dutch boy plugging the leaking dyke with his thumb? Well if you look carefully you can see that machine is pushing one of the workers into the hole. You can just see the sole of his wellington boot.

It doesn't look good, does it? There seem to be real problems with this site.

I hear True Blue marvelling about the value of this tragedy in terms of the engineering challenge, but if this is any kind of textbook lesson it seems like one in abject failure. Why can't they get this right? It can't be rocket science and the accident happened 7 months ago. It looks like ineptitude to me and that the engineers on board are woefully inexperienced. If anything i think this mess is symptomatic of the fact that companies in the UAE have to take what they can get with regard to personnel as the demand for project workers far outstrips the supply of even imported talent.

That seems to beggar belief, as a PM can earn anything up to 100k AED per month, with all benefits including accomodation thrown in for good measure. If that ain't gona attract projects managers to the Gulf, then I've no idea what will. Maybe they should have left Cyclone open after all.

I'm sure some companies' good money is going to good use, like I wouldn't doubt that Emaar has the best of the best on the Burj Dubai project. But often, good money in plentiful supply invites conmen and nepotism more than good talent. That is, I'd bet some of these developers have their marginally qualified brothers and cousins occupying top jobs as opposed to the people who can really do the job right.

Well the contract stated that this would be completed by 31st Dec 2008, with allowance for "reasonable delay". Looking at this, even if they solve this problem by the end of the year I think we need another 3 years after that for the build, so Q4 2010 sounds like a reasonable target date for completion.

Does anyone have news from the developer on the current status, payment schedule etc..? At this rate it would seem unfair to ask for further payment from investors as there has been no real progress this year? Very disappointing ....:ohno:

I hear True Blue marvelling about the value of this tragedy in terms of the engineering challenge, but if this is any kind of textbook lesson it seems like one in abject failure. Why can't they get this right? It can't be rocket science and the accident happened 7 months ago. It looks like ineptitude to me and that the engineers on board are woefully inexperienced. If anything i think this mess is symptomatic of the fact that companies in the UAE have to take what they can get with regard to personnel as the demand for project workers far outstrips the supply of even imported talent.

Oh boy, if you think Civil Engineering is that simple you should give it a go. It is without a doubt one of the hardest degrees that you can take. One thing you learn straight away is that exact rocket science it is not. It is founded on principles and decades of research and data. Therefore we must use something called a factor of safety, the bigger this factor the more it costs, the more it costs the less its engineered and the project becomes unviable. If Infinity was launched at 3000aed/ft so they could double up on the FOS I'm sure that would be such a selling point the investors would be queued down the street :ohno:

BTW I think I explained that re-chocking the anchors could stop some of the leaks. The excellent picture above show that process in action, thanks Imre :okay:

Good update Imre, thanks. Nice to see some heavy plant operating in the "hole" again.

The section of diaphragm wall to the left of the breach is showing signs of damage and will need to be repaired or replaced. Water is coming through the anchor holes under pressure. To stop the water ingress I think they need to release the chocks and repair the hole then drive in new chocks to seal it up. Big problem is, these anchors are all that's holding the wall in place at the moment. ....................



QED see Imre's pictures above ^^

Wall has been partially supported by increasing passive resistance at the base of the wall by packing stone against it.

They are trying to fix the solution cheaply,, This is never going to work.
Had a laugh with the photos though

I reckon that the wall will breach in two weeks.

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this is really bad isnt it , i mena REALLY bad there is progress but then it goes wrong again..

Is this project going to be a massive disaster ?

11/Sept/2007


Infinity Tower

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Well the contract stated that this would be completed by 31st Dec 2008, with allowance for "reasonable delay". Looking at this, even if they solve this problem by the end of the year I think we need another 3 years after that for the build, so Q4 2010 sounds like a reasonable target date for completion.

Does anyone have news from the developer on the current status, payment schedule etc..? At this rate it would seem unfair to ask for further payment from investors as there has been no real progress this year? Very disappointing ....:ohno:

Not a sound from Cayan and the next payment is due at the end of November.

Great Pics.

I still give it two weeks till breach

Apparently the main construction is still due to start in October, I will believe it when I see it..

Also. what about the Marina wall itself? When/how will that be fixed? And by Emaar I presume?

Cheers

I dunno, but it looks like they need to barricade the entire plot. The rest of the marina wall looks like it could give in at any time.

Knowing these guys I bet they will be chasing hard for the next payment due in November. Given that a lot of people will refuse to pay due to lack of progress they might try and cancel exisitng sales contracts, then resell the units at a higher price per sqft.

most of real estate agencies still advertising this project with completion date in 2009.

I am sorry but what a bunch of doom merchants you all are. The only one who knows what he or she ( probably a he) is trueblue. Without his input etc nobody would really know what is going on at all. I am afraid the rest of us are just guessing, exagerating or just plain scaremongering

Oh boy, if you think Civil Engineering is that simple you should give it a go. It is without a doubt one of the hardest degrees that you can take. One thing you learn straight away is that exact rocket science it is not. It is founded on principles and decades of research and data. Therefore we must use something called a factor of safety, the bigger this factor the more it costs, the more it costs the less its engineered and the project becomes unviable. If Infinity was launched at 3000aed/ft so they could double up on the FOS I'm sure that would be such a selling point the investors would be queued down the street :ohno:

BTW I think I explained that re-chocking the anchors could stop some of the leaks. The excellent picture above show that process in action, thanks Imre :okay:

You remind me of a former colleague, True Blue, who was so confident in making his case that even when it was wrong, he was hard to counter. I'm not saying you're wrong--as all I'm capable of doing is speculating on these matters. But you're countering the rocket science cliche with the argument that, well, it (construction engineering) is more complex than even rocket science. Still I wonder, there are thousands of tall towers around the world, but it is still news when rockets put people up into space. In fact, there are dozens of towers along the presumably defective Marina wall, but only one has gotten flooded.

In any event, your argument about the plug seems valid and suggests (despite others' apprehension) that those wokers in Imre's pictures are doing just the right thing. I'm also reading you to say that despite all appearances--all those leaks--the concerns of some here that this wall could just collapse again are unfounded. That's great and I buy it. The thing I still wonder, though, is why this repair is getting done so slowly. If the shoring is all well and good, why don't they have a couple of dozen people in there re-plugging those leaks? Why isn't that water completely out of the pit by now? In that sense, it all still looks rather amateurish.

Knowing these guys I bet they will be chasing hard for the next payment due in November. Given that a lot of people will refuse to pay due to lack of progress they might try and cancel exisitng sales contracts, then resell the units at a higher price per sqft.

Have you got any evidence or is this just doom-mongering? Cayan cancelled the payment due in May when all this happened. Unlike many Dubai developers, they have been fair on this.

Though they really need to be in touch with purchasers to let them know what's going on. That has been bad.

Have you got any evidence or is this just doom-mongering? Cayan cancelled the payment due in May when all this happened. Unlike many Dubai developers, they have been fair on this.

Though they really need to be in touch with purchasers to let them know what's going on. That has been bad.

Lovedubai, I agree. Although this is a bad situation, Cayan have been good so far. However, I do think that they need to postpone the next payment (Nov) due to lack of progress, and this would stagger the payments in-line with the construction (May 08, Nov 08, May 09 and then the final payment on completion.)

Assuming the wall issue is resolved for now, and main construction can begin in October, is 2 years from now realistic to build an 80 floor tower like this or should we expect longer? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Cheers

Expect longer. Thing is, we don't know how much damage the water has done. Is it possible the piling will have to be redone? :dunno:
If not and construction restarts in october as planned then it this time next year it should be where the torch or princess tower is now, that's assuming they find a main contractor on time unlike ocean heights. Once it starts rising it probably won't be as fast as some of the others, probably one floor a week or maybe a little slower. It'll probably take 2 more years to top out. After that expect another year before it opens.
That's about 4 years which seems right for a supertall tower like this.

I don't think it's all doom and gloom.

Yes there are some leaks and maybe that section of wall might need to be rebuilt, but no one could know what lies below until water drains. And a good assessment is carried out.

Yes progress does seam slow but one of IMRE picture appears to be showing a crane on site so seams like the developers are trying to get thing restarted asap.

We all know they are not going to hit the completion date so i think the best thing would be a solid tower with good finshes and no rushing in any part. I'd rather they took there time and got all the foundation things sorted right.

Construction could start October end but most likely be Nov / Dec. It is Ramadhan now as well so pace on all projects will slow a little.

Lighting never strikes twice hey...

...assuming they find a main contractor on time unlike ocean heights...

They have got the main contractor choosen since last year and when the accident happen, the workers and the personel who evacuated the site were theirs.


... BTW it is the same one as on Ocean Height. ;)

Oh right, didn't know that

i dont think so that they will restart the construction in this year.
I saw the site today , less water but there is only 10 workers:)

Construction is due to commence very shortly and the November payment will be due as planned

I'm keeping my fingers crossed... This project will happen. And i also do appreciate True-Blue's constructive feedback on the engineering aspect of it and also do believe problems of this size require simplistic solutions with big safety margins.

As of today, the progress on the site is promising; i have no idea why people are making comments about the old deadlines, that's history, and it's quiet obvious that the tower will take much longer with completion date around 2011 easily..

Have you got any evidence or is this just doom-mongering? Cayan cancelled the payment due in May when all this happened. Unlike many Dubai developers, they have been fair on this.

Though they really need to be in touch with purchasers to let them know what's going on. That has been bad.

I don't have any evidence that Cayan/Palma will do this but from past experience dealing with Palma it would come as no surprise if they start trying to get out of the existing contracts in order to re-sell at a higher price.

Has anyone heard when they will implement the Escrow accounts for this project?

I don't have any evidence that Cayan/Palma will do this but from past experience dealing with Palma it would come as no surprise if they start trying to get out of the existing contracts in order to re-sell at a higher price.

Has anyone heard when they will implement the Escrow accounts for this project?

What are your past experiences with palma that suggest they would do that. have they done it before to you ?????

13/Sept/2007

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Thanks for posting and keeping us updated Imre. Does it look as if they're controlling the water levels and is the level going down still?

yes, water level going down and they started to bring out the stones which keept the marina wall.

I'd also like to thank you IMRE for the frequant updates you done on this project recently.

Without updates we would be non the wiser, Recent updates do look more promising.

I'd also like to thank you IMRE for the frequant updates you done on this project recently.

Without updates we would be non the wiser, Recent updates do look more promising.
Hats off to IMRE,

How are they going to clear out all the mess, Then that ballasted has to be removed..

I wait to see from the IMRE

What are your past experiences with palma that suggest they would do that. have they done it before to you ?????

I had a terrible experience with Plama. I don't want to go into details on a public forum.
Ask around the local real estate agents in Dubai about their “Sharp” practices, it’ll make your hair stand on end.

thanks imre for all the updates

billyboy, could you please elaborate on the sharp practices you mentioned. PM me please.

14/September/2007

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Main construction is scheduled to start after Ramadan - confirmed ;)

its quite funny to see that digger still in there half caked in mud u'd think it would have been removed by now

I had a terrible experience with Plama. I don't want to go into details on a public forum.
Ask around the local real estate agents in Dubai about their “Sharp” practices, it’ll make your hair stand on end.

The grass is always greener on the otherside.

This may be true , but i have had good treatment so far not too bad.

Palma is the real estate agent and Cayan is the developer , it sometimes seems they the one and teh same etc...

I have had good treatment as well which I am fairly happy about when I hear some of the horror stories in Dubai.Thats why I was interested in what Billyboy had to say when he made those comments

Also I presume the leaks have stopped completely now according to the pics today which is great news

This may be true , but i have had good treatment so far not too bad.

Palma is the real estate agent and Cayan is the developer , it sometimes seems they the one and teh same etc...

They share the same offices, so I presume they are.

Main construction is scheduled to start after Ramadan - confirmed ;)

I doubt it. Look at the amount of crap they have to get rid of, not to mention they'll have to be extra careful along the way so that the marina wall doesn't collapse again

and still lot of fish there! they should put back them in the sea :)

I am going there tomorrow again, this site is very interesting now.

and still lot of fish there! they should put back them in the sea :)

I am going there tomorrow again, this site is very interesting now.

With a fishing rod? :)

Those new pictures have an erie almost spooky feel.

Funny how Imre's interest has gained momentum with the sight of some fish :) It really did bring a smile to my face Imre.

Billy boy, pm me if you don't mind about your experience with Palma. I have found most of them good to date. The only thing I thought which was a bit sharp was the handover notice issued for the Jewels, which has since been rescinded. In this letter they very curtly informed us that the remaining 35% payment would be due on the date of handover. Anyone defaulting on the payment at all would be charged interest from that date. Nice way to treat people who have been waiting patiently on them to deliver on the date which they themselves set and are no where near acheiving.

I did not like the wording and took personal offence, however they have got a lot of money outstanding at 35% of the value of the building and must be hurting. Most developers only leave 10% or less to the final instalment.

True Blue

I afraid this is almost a carbon copy of the start of my nightmare experience with Palma. I'll PM you

I doubt it. Look at the amount of crap they have to get rid of, not to mention they'll have to be extra careful along the way so that the marina wall doesn't collapse again

that's what I've been told, we'll have to wait and see. I personally don't like the look of the 'quick fix' approach on the recent leaks, and have concerns whether this will hold or not. We'll have to wait and see..

I wont argue about this but i think its not quite right to use this thread to talk about stuff other then Infinity.

Main construction is scheduled to start after Ramadan - confirmed ;)

yes Ramadan 2011..........:)

I want them to save the fish too...

15/September/2007

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15/September/2007

Infinity Tower , afternoon

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and a nice black fish there (just the water is very dirty) :)

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Wow

Thanks again, I really do appreciate the photos.

How they are going to get the mess out of the pit, without another breach..

I am actually going to go down their myself tomorrow to see it 4 myself

I worry about that crack in the wall,,,

Cheers as always.. 234sale

That looks like the rebar from the piles starting to come into view so nearly there.

Its amazing how far those concrete blocks have travelled by the force of the water flooding in.

It would be a great advert for Komatsu if they put the key in the excavator and it started first time :lol:

^^ :lol: it would be funny if the excavator works...

Thanks again Imre for your pictures, you doing a fantastic job..

About the fish: did you spot any workers catching any? I'm thinking fish b.b.q

not yet, if the water gone will be easier to catch:)

16/September/2007

Infinity Tower

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Hi True Blue!

"ABS INCLINOMETER CASING"

Do you know what is this?

They put these on different places , around the plot.

found it, thanks for the google:)

Inclinometer Casing


Model 6500
The Model 6500 Inclinometer Casing is used in conjunction with all commercially available inclinometer probes to monitor the stability of embankments, slopes, rock cuts, foundations and excavation walls, piles, coffer dams, etc. The casings and couplings are pop-riveted together and the joints are waterproofed using caulk and tape. The casing has wheel grooves spaced at 90° intervals, for probe orientation, and is manufactured from pultruded fiberglass ensuring a lightweight, strong, environmentally resistant casing with grooves free from spiraling.

Specifications

Maximum O.D. 70 mm (casing), 76.5 mm (coupling)
Wall Thickness 3 mm (casing), 2 mm (coupling)
Length 3 m (casing), 300 mm (coupling)
Telescoping Coupling available up to 3 m (please specify)


ABS Inclinometer Casing

Geosystems ABS Plastic Casing can be used with all commercially available inclinometer probes to monitor the stability of embankments, slopes, cuttings, excavations, walls, columns, piling and coffer dams. The casing sections are coupled together to produce a strong, accurate, lightweight and corrosion resistant system to monitor ground stability.

Function of Casing


Inclinometer casing is a special purpose, grooved pipe used in inclinometer installations. It is typically installed in boreholes, but can also be embedded in fills, cast into concrete, or attached to structures.

Inclinometer casing provides access for the inclinometer probe, allowing it to obtain subsurface measurements of tilt. Grooves inside the casing control the orientation of the probe and provide a surface from which repeatable tilt measurements can be obtained.

Inclinometer casing is typically installed in boreholes, but may also be embedded in fills, cast into concrete, or attached to structures.


Choosing Inclinometer Casing

Although Slope Indicator casing is competitively priced, price should never be the deciding factor in choosing inclinometer casing. The cost of casing is quite small relative to the cost of mobilizing a drill rig, and very small relative to the cost of a failed installation. This page summarizes the most important factors to consider when choosing casing.

Casing Diameter

Casing is designed to deform with movement of the adjacent ground or structure. The useful life of the casing ends when continued movement of the ground pinches or shears the casing, preventing passage of the inclinometer probe. Larger diameter casing generally provides longer life.

Large diameter casing (85 mm, 3.34 inch) is suitable for landslides and long term monitoring. It is also approprate for monitoring multiple shear zones or very narrow shear zones. Large diameter casing is required when the horizontal probe is used.

Medium diameter casing (70 mm, 2.75 inch) is suitable for construction projects. It can also be used for slope stability monitoring when only a moderate degree of deformation is expected.

Small diameter casing (48 mm, 1.9 inch) is suitable for applications where small deformations are distributed over broad zones. It is generally not installed in soils.


Casing Grooves

Measurement accuracy is directly influenced by the quality of casing grooves. For this reason, Slope Indicator cuts grooves by machine broaching. This process allows the width and chamfer of the grooves to be optimized for the wheels of the Digitilt inclinometer probe and also minimizes spiralling of the grooves.

Casing Strength

In borehole installations, the annular space around the casing is usually backfilled with grout. The grouting process can generate pressures high enough to cause the casing to col-lapse. Stage grouting is one way to avoid this problem. Strong casing is another. Slope Indicator starts with thick-walled pipe and then carefully controls the depth of the grooves during the broaching process to prevent weakening casing walls.

Sealable Couplings

If casing joints are not adequately sealed, grout can force its way into the casing. After the grout hardens, it will prevent the probe from reaching its intended depth. In some cases, the installation will be ruined.

Slope Indicator offers several types of couplings and casings, and all of them can be sealed easily and consistently. Our newest casing features O-ring seals, and our traditional casing features tight-fitting surfaces that are fused together with solvent cement.

Assembly

Inclinometer casing should be easy to assemble, even with an untrained crew. Slope Indicator QC casing, which snaps together, is the current leader in quick and easy assembly. Other types of casing are assembled with shear wires or with solvent cement.

Casing Materials

Slope Indicator uses only ABS plastic for its casing. The ABS formulation is suitable for long term contact with all types of soils, grouts, and ground water. ABS plastic retains its shape and flexibility over a wider range of temperatures than PVC plastic, and ABS is much easier to handle than fiberglass casing. Aluminum casing is no longer recommended for any application.

Technology eh! make you sick, or redundant :lol:

Used to use pieces of glass slides glued to pins driven into the ground. If the ground was moving undetected to the naked eye, it would be noticed by the glass breaking. The same idea would be used to bridge cracks etc, so if the crack widened the glass broke. Now we have these thingymajigs that can be linked to small transmitters and send signals to a central computer on site alerting to any movements in the wall, embankments etc. Used also in earthquake zones as an early warning system.

Extra peace of mind I suppose.

Were they positioned on the top of the wall Imre?

yes, on the top of the wall ,if you are facing of the site (opposite Grosvenor House) ,started on the left side of the plot . apr 0.5-1m from the concrete wall.
I asked the workers , when will they bring out the Komatsu but always say "tomorrow" :)
I will see tomorrow again:)

I suppose they weren't using any before the accident.

^^ Does anyone??

^^ I don't know, but I think the ones digging deep a few steps from the water, must get some. :D

I've been viewing this website for 5 months and would like to thank everyone for their input,but especially Imre for all the photos. Wouldn't have a clue what was going on without them.

bluegirl do you have an apartment in infinity if so PM me it's good to know who the other people are investing in this project. etc.

17/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower

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^^ From the last pic it seams they have got some kind of success on stopping the leakagge. And of course there's a visible reduction of the remaining water level.

IMRE your intrerest in this project is really helping us see whats happening on a dialy basis thanks for the updates.

But we all know it's the fishes for dinner your really after :)

I think we might have all been getting carried away about the shody nature of the work?

^^ Erm... Not everyone :)

BTW found out today what they have done with all the water that used to be in the Infinity basement.........................It's been moved upto Silverene plot :lol:

Welcome to the forum BlueGirl :hug:

What is it with Cayan and water?!!!!!

They attract each other or DAMAC is going around sabotaging all the cayan projects

I suppose there will be a period of clearing up and damage assement before the real work can begin even if all water gone.

They attract each other or DAMAC is going around sabotaging all the cayan projects

I suppose there will be a period of clearing up and damage assement before the real work can begin even if all water gone.


I thought it was The Torch workers, they all disappear early every night! :lol:

They saw me bet that Infinity would be finished before The Torch. Still possible, if anyone can Arabtec would be the favourites.

There will be inspections of the damage and pile/rebar condition. Maybe some piles will be cut down and tops reformed where corrosion is beyond acceptable limits. We might see some concrete beams bieng cast at basement level between the front and back walls to fix the toe of the wall from movement. Just a guess though.

18/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower

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^^ i don't see the fish in the water anymore - maybe they gotten B.B.Q'd finally? :cheers1:

Great pics, Imre... Progress is very promising... :okay:

I've also placed a few bets with some work colleagues that this one will complete before the Torch. I dunno, i've just got these uncontrollable urges lately to lose loads of money. :dunno:

^^ donate the money instead... Just remember this formula...

Buy 1 iPod or feed 930 people in underdeveloped countries.

How long will it take to clear this site with one excavator... 1 month at least.

Infinity is the quality or state of endlessness or having no limits in terms of time, space, or other quantity.:nuts:

19/September/2007

Infinity Tower

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Gets more and more intresting everyday now. Is that top Machine like some kind of drilling machine ??

yes, it makes the hole for the "ABS INCLINOMETER CASING" , they put more around the site.

But that porbe looked so small comapred to the whole they drilling, Amazing stuff. Thanks for the updates Once again IMRE

The driller looks to be getting ready for grouting behind the wall.

Little cat machine is breaking down the concrete blocks into rubble which is easier to remove. Big Hitachi is kicking sand in the Komatsu's face while its down. Komatsu is basically scrap now :(

No, the Hitachi is loading the debris into the muck kettle which the crane uses to lift everything to the surface for disposal off site by trucks..... danaah!

Malec, remind me at what point were you going to move this back to U/C.

OK so.
Moved

Gets more and more intresting everyday now. Is that top Machine like some kind of drilling machine ??

I agree, this is getting really interesting now, after so long with not much progress.

Looks like they are serious about the mid October target for main construction to re-start!

:banana:

need more time.
They have to repair the marina wall before bring out the stones, and after site cleaning, inspecting the piles, etc ... it takes time.

need more time.
They have to repair the marina wall before bring out the stones, and after site cleaning, inspecting the piles, etc ... it takes time.

Because of IMRE pictures, your insuring the tower will be finished.
I am sure Developer are aware the construction community are watching carefully the progress of this site.

They can't by pass any safety or construction standards as these updates could be used against them in the future.

I will actually retract any statement that there maybe another breach due to a higher degree of professionalism in construction.

The Developer obviously now realises that , actions speak louder than words..

^^ DAMAC?????????????????:bash: Wash your mouth out :lol:

This is a CAYAN project.

LOL, so DAMAS is already synomyn with disastre :hilarious

anyway, this is very good for the Damac because they can say , sorry we can not start the Damac Heights because of this... :)


20/Sept/2007

Infinity Tower

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In-Place Inclinometer Systems

Inclinometer Casing
Inclinometer casing is also required for in-place inclinometer systems.

Fixed In-Place Sensors
In-place inclinometer sensors are placed at specific depths to span a zone of suspected movement. They are left in-place (unlike the traversing probe) and usually monitored continuously to ensure safety. The costs for an in-place system are greater because the sensors are dedicated to a particular installation.

Data Loggers
A data logger is used with in-place sensors. It monitors continuously and can trigger an alarm when it detects a change or rate of change that exceeds a preset value. Slope Indicator typically supplies Campbell Scientific data loggers.

Automated Processing
In-place inclinometer systems connected to data loggers generate even more data, and often the data must be processed and distributed as soon as it becomes available. Slope Indicator's Argus web-based monitoring performs this task, automatically processing the readings, checking for alarms, and generating graphs and reports.



Spiral Checking

Spiral Sensor
A spiral sensor provides readings that can be used to correct inclinometer data obtained from spiraled casing. Spiral surveys are recommended when the installation is very deep, when inclinometer readings indicate movement in unlikely directions, or when difficulties were experienced during installation.

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That wouldn't be a pallet of grout I see sitting near the inclinometer tubes is it? :)

^^ As a non construction person so what excalty is grouting the wall and does that take place on the outer side of the excavation wall or the inner side.

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^^ As a non construction person so what excalty is grouting the wall and does that take place on the outer side of the excavation wall or the inner side.

I am expecting that most of the holes drilled will be used to pump grout (liquid cement) into the sand infill between the 2 walls. This will do a number of jobs. The whole area will become a massive block which will strengthen the wall and hopefully cut off the water. They may also be looking for any voids, like the culvert which is thought to be behind this debarcle. If they detect a void then they can grout it up and remove the problem.

How long do you guys reckon to get this little beuaty complete the new date being brandished around is June 2009 , unlikley?

How long do you guys reckon to get this little beuaty complete the new date being brandished around is June 2009 , unlikley?

^^ You serious? I'd be surprised if they were at topped out by June 2009.

2011, I week before The Torch!!

2011, I week before The Torch!!

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The Torch-Klan will kill you:)

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The Torch-Klan will kill you:)

No wait, he didn't finish the sentence... 2011, 1 week before the Torch 2nd Anniversary bash.

I am expecting that most of the holes drilled will be used to pump grout (liquid cement) into the sand infill between the 2 walls. This will do a number of jobs. The whole area will become a massive block which will strengthen the wall and hopefully cut off the water. They may also be looking for any voids, like the culvert which is thought to be behind this debarcle. If they detect a void then they can grout it up and remove the problem.

I remember readding in Uni (some 13 years ago) for this method being used in dams construction. They were saying pressure pumps were to be used so the cement would penetrate very deep into the bedrock's voids and cracks.

Will they use pressure pumps here as well or is all "free-fall"?

You are spot on Altin, pressure pumping would be used!

It's becoming quite common in Scotland due to the amount of old coal mines that have been abandoned below ground. Any houses built on this land could suffer serious structural damage if the ground settles. They now go around retrospectively grouting the workings. The grout pump sits in the one spot and a connecting hose is moved from one pipe to another until the pipe can not take any more grout.

I have some vague memory that the Iris Blue site was grouted before the basement was excavated. If this is the case that would mean that they were aware of the undergroung culvert/tunnels and did something about it.

How long do you guys reckon to get this little beuaty complete the new date being brandished around is June 2009 , unlikley?

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