I agree,

This is one of the best looking towers in the marina. Not much good if your in it. I will be staring at this one from my Torch balcony.

Every square foot of land in Dubai will end up with something on it eventually, and when the lands all gone, they will start knocking stuff down to build higher.

Unfortunately greed has got to the men/man in charge and it is a real shame.

Prices in this tower are rediculous, Ive seen resales at more than 2000 psf and it still a hole in the ground.

Hey what's with suddenly knocking Cayan? They have twice postponed payments for Infinity owners whilst all the problems have been going on and they can hardly be blamed for the wall collapsing. I personally believe that they should have been much more upfront about the problems on site and the completion dates should not still read 2010 - more like 2012. However there is no way that they can be likened to Damac. Silverene was launched last February and they were on site within a few months. The design of their projects is second to none too. Note how few Infinity apartments come up for resale. The majority of their buyers are holding on to their apartment - it shows that they consider the end product worthwhile and that Cayan has treated them fairly in postponing payments.

They can charge 5,000 AED per sq ft or even 10,000 for all I care. If they can sell at this price then good luck to them. The more they charge, the more this brings my Torch unit up in value. So hats off to you Cayan..........top outfit IMO........I looooove you. :kiss:


:lol:

Cayan are offering 50% premium to owners in an attempt to buy back the units so they can resale them at a much higher price to cover their costs. Does not look good for Cayan right now.

Lovedubai says "they can hardly be blamed for the wall collapsing." Is that actually the case. I would have thought there is a strong probability that they are at least mostly to blame for that happening. Surely when you dig a big hole next to a retaining wall with water on the other side the possibility of that wall collapsing under load can be calculated and a construction process which precludes this eventuality can be adopted?

The buy back process which Dubai Steve describes seems a pretty desperate measure.

Where did you hear of the 50% premium buyback, Steve?

A friend of someone here owns a unit in Infinity and was approached by Cayan.

Cayan are offering 50% premium to owners in an attempt to buy back the units so they can resale them at a much higher price to cover their costs. Does not look good for Cayan right now.

Do you think DS/SG will give us 50% premium and take the units in the Torch back?

I will run naked around Wilmslow if they do :banana:

Let's hope SP won't do this..............for the sake of the people living in Wilmsolw. :lol:

^^ They are managing resales themselves now. You would be crazy to sell at 50% premium when you will get a minimum of 100% premium on completion.

If I get an offer of 50% Premium I will take it immediately. :cheers: :banana::banana:

^^ Have you been on the beer again mackie :nuts: You can get 50% premium quite easily just call SP they will find you a customer in no time. If you want to make a quick profit buy the last bargain resale units from bhomes and ask SP to sell them. Just shows you how poor bhomes are at marketing.

Yep, Sorry:)

Some Crazy people in this forum, how can Cayan be blammed for the wall collapsing they just gave the contract to a third party company. We might be able to say they chose the wrong company but from what i see APCC and Arabtec have done quite a lot of work and based on that i view them as decent contractors if not one of the best ones.

Also as far as i'm concerned like Lovedubai said they could have maybe provided more info on the problem but how they delayed the payments and restructured them is one positive thing for sure.

Also i'm with Steve on this one i'd never sell back to Cayan for a 50% premium. It's like Lovedubai said most people holding onto theri apartments as they have confidence that it will be a good finsihed product at least in the shape of the design and Cayan have high demand for apartments so hence trying to tempt people.

I have not been approached as yet and i would never sell unless i got the vibe the project was going to fail otherwise i'm keeping my apartment

That's one way of looking at why they're trying to buy back. If you're holding on - then I pray for your sake that you're right.

Maybe it is wrong to say Cayan is to be blamed for the wall collapsing, but as with any disaster people tend to attach a degree of blame to the biggest name on the signboard. Someone screwed up here - happenings like this may be caused by "mistakes" but they are not "accidents." This was avoidable!

Hindsight is a great thing. How can you be sure this was a mistake? What grounds or specialist knowledge do you have to support your assessment of this situation?

It is a Civil Engineers duty to provide an safe and economical solution, the problem is one works against the other and load factors have to be assumed in many cases. Analysis of a problem like this is empirical and is not based on sound defined knowledge but assumptions based on the results of test bores and trial excavations. A bit like throwing a dart at a site plan and hoping it finds all the problem areas hidden under the surface. If you don't find the source of a potential problem during the initial investigation then what happened here bites you in the arse. It has not a lot to do with anyone involved in the project. The solution to the problem is what tells and they are getting there now. This issue would also have been cleared up long ago had they been allowed to shut off this part of the marina, but due to the construction of the nearby bridge this option was not available.

As for the inferrence that we should be watchfull of Cayan as they attempt to buy back units, that is just good business as they obviously can see the market value on this project pushing skyward. If they were struggling for funding they would not be liquid enough to buy them back.(pardon the pun). I also suspect there have been investors expressing concerns and they may have been offering a way out for them at a decent premium rather than the 0% offered in the s&p agreement. Remember that due to the deferred payments, investors have only paid a fraction of the total price so the 50% premium could represent 100% return or more. I bet there are many Damac and DS investors wishing they could cash in at these levels of return right now.

A long while back I advised people to go for this after the incident knowing some people would lose their bottle and cash in. Anyone who took that advice and picked up a bargain is certainly not regretting it, that is for sure.

Still one of the best developments in the marina that will guarantee atleast 180 degrees of visibility and on an enviable plot. Can't guarantee the interiors will be to your liking but that's easier to solve than the location and architecture points. If that's not good enought,sell up and buy a shoreline apartment, good on the inside crap on the outside :)

I defer to your superior construction knowledge. I had imagined that the disaster possibilities were a lot more predictable when one digs a hole on the other side of wall holding still water back. Clearly not the case.

I'm still not convinced re the wisdom of staying with this investment but then I don't have a financial interest in it so my gut feelings are not quite as focussed as those who do.

What is a realistic handover date now ? What are Cayan stating ?

What is a realistic handover date now ? What are Cayan stating ?

Don't know what the Cayan line is, maybe they don't know themselves yet. I would estimate 42 months to keys, providing we start to see the raft being formed soon.

^^ In that case I would be tempted to take the 50% offer and invest somewhere else to get a faster return.

If there is a faster return than 100% in 2 years I'm with you on that one :okay:

If there is a faster return than 100% in 2 years I'm with you on that one :okay:

Actually the return would be higher as we've only paid 40% of the purchase price so far.

Well Cayan are saying June 2010 according to the Payment Plan, But i know and they know thats not going to happen.

I'm happy waiting it out for now as my only reason for buying in Infinity was the design and the view which i know is fixed in my case as i'm facing GH. It a good tower on a decent if not good plot.

I agree this tower will look amazing, but you wont see it if your in it. :)

^^ Best view will be from the Torch marina facing 06 units, facing directly towards it :cheers:

Well Cayan are saying June 2010 according to the Payment Plan, But i know and they know thats not going to happen.

I'm happy waiting it out for now as my only reason for buying in Infinity was the design and the view which i know is fixed in my case as i'm facing GH. It a good tower on a decent if not good plot.

Will Cayan be delaying the payment plans again or if not will they be paying compensation after 2010 ? :dunno:

You guys are starting to be really aggressive towards the Infinity developer on this board. All this just because their CEO said they'll price the new units at 5K? Why would this upset anyone? Let him ask for 10K even. If he can sell at that price then good for him and for all those who already bought in this tower.

They took away the piling machine today so I think they will start finishing the excavation and preparation of the piles for the concrete raft now ....!

At last, will be good to see some construction starting here soon.

At last, will be good to see some construction starting here soon.

As a Torch owner/investor I would have thought the opposite was the case.

Well spotted Tractor!

Anyone who is knocking this development has no foundation for their case (shit! Another pun.)

No, I am happy to finally see that this thing will get built so that I can view it from my balcony :)

[QUOTE=True Blue;19735189]As a Torch owner/investor I would have thought the opposite was the case.

Why? I can't see a rason why anyone wouldn't want to see this beauty built, - especially if you get to look at it fro free rather than buy it at 5k per sq ft.

I'm just glad SP aren't the developer here, as if so the amount of flack they'd be attracting from TB and others would be uncontainable. :ohno:

Why are people given Cayan Flack now anyway, just because the guy mentioned 5k per sq ft, these are going to be on higher floors probaly like 3 beds or duplexes etc and if they can get why not.

From what Tractor says work is happening looks like piles might be complete. Probaly ready for load test or whatever

^^ Because they are still stating a handover date 2 years earlier than it will be (according to TB not until 2012!), will not be paying compensation and worryingly trying to buy back units to help fund their increased construction costs!

^^ Quick panic everyone sell..........I thought the whole point of Escrow was so that no purchase carried as much risk as say when the lighthouse thing happened.

Is construction prices for SP projects not going to go up or are they all on fixed price......Anyway at Launch the price per sq ft was alot higher then anything else in the marina at that time.

I'd estimate the Date to be somewhere in 2011 even if it's 31st dec 2011

Come on now move along this is not The Torch thread

Steve don't you know its blasphemous to say anything negative about Cayan. Now be a good boy and go and join SP basing on Torch thread, Cayan is holy :nuts:

Is construction prices for SP projects not going to go up or are they all on fixed price......

SP projects are on a fixed maximum price. So they will not be affected.

SP projects are on a fixed maximum price. So they will not be affected.

Of course they are affected, you think a contractor will happily lose a fortune if prices move against them? They'll stomach some but for sure they can default on their contract / liquidate the company and start another / etc. to avoid making big losses.

There is no shortage of profitable work in Dubai so a contractor is unlikely to take losing money sitting down. They'll do everything possible to eliminate or avoid them.

The fixed contract SP signed does allow DCE to increase the price due to large increases in material costs. So not 100% fixed and SP will have to bear some of the increase in prices here.

^^ Are you sure this is what is means when they say “We have arrangements in place if there are substantial price increases" ?

In a bold manouevre, Dubai Select pre-agreed a contract price — around US $191 million (AED700 million) — with DCE at the start of the project. “We’ve guaranteed a maximum price we’re going to pay DCE, and we believe we’re the first to do that in the UAE,” says Mullen. But what happens if the price of steel, for example, shoots up again? Not a problem, according to Menon: “We have arrangements in place if there are substantial price increases,” he says. “Rebar is a potential problem, as we used to source it from a factory, but now we’ve set up our own facility in Jebel Ali, which will go into production in a month’s time.”

As the developer wishes to continue to prosper in Dubai, it is in no parties’ interest to cut cost and I can re-assure you the quality of the build will be as promised.

Now where was that press release saying the Torch was walking distance from the Burj Al Arab, or the letters stating the development is not delayed ... or ...

BTW it sounds to me that the fixed price is for labour and not materials ...

^^ Are you sure this is what is means when they say “We have arrangements in place if there are substantial price increases" ?

I could be wrong then Steve...........perhaps it means that SP will start to call on their Mafia connections. :lol:

Come on, less about the torch

Go and ruin another thread please. Don't want to know all the details of how SP have got it all worked out.

Seams to me Infinity work is progressing, ok maybe slower then we hope. But hopefully once the issues resovled and Arabtec on site they can do what they did for Ocean Heights so we will hopefully see some good progress towards end of year.

I don’t think it’s wise any more to invest in delayed projects, Shelving is looming...

That's why it isn't fair to say some people on this thread are slagging Cayan off. The truth is everyone very much wants to see this iconic tower built;- it will be a great visual asset in the Marina. The defenders of the way Cayan are handling things all put up very plausible arguments, but there are some counter arguments which have been posted here which no matter how plausible - some would rather not hear. Lets hope that those of us who doubt are wrong and that Infinity will now rise and complete at least in TB's timeframe - if not in Cayan's.

OK Whatever were all experts now. If you going to shelf it, your doing it when accident happened now when it ready to grow............the only reason i'd say not good investment is because of potentcial time scale to completion

Should I (let them) stay or should I (make them) go now ... hmmm

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Are they still having to pump water out of the site ?

I can't get that excited about material costs going up. In Ajman on Emirates City you can buy from the deveopers for 400-450 psf. The devopers has to buy the land ( cheaper I accept) but their material and labour costs are still the same.Steel and labour doesnt suddenly become half the price because you go down the road half an hour. Those developers must still make a handsome profit at 450psf . Remember the infinity and other prime plots were bought very cheaply a few years ago.

Are they still having to pump water out of the site ?

Leak or no leak on site, they will be doing that untill the raft foundation is completed, as they do it in any other construction site.

i speak under correction but dewatering would probably be allowed for till ground floor is reached.

i speak under correction but dewatering would probably be allowed for till ground floor is reached.

Occasionally de watering is still happening whilst floors 5 and 6 are being reached.

Or in the case of some of the Shorelines and Marina Sail, still dewatering at handover.

So what if any is the progress on this beast of a project?

Hi there,

Can someone please tell what the sq.ft price is for 1,2,3 &4 BR units or tell me who sells them?

Greatly appreciated-thanks!

Hi there,

Can someone please tell what the sq.ft price is for 1,2,3 &4 BR units or tell me who sells them?

Greatly appreciated-thanks!

Check the properties section of the classifieds of any local Dubai newspaper such as Gulf News they have a website.

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Thanks for the photo ,anyone care to analysis it .. not that you can see much.

^^ More important things to do, RANGERS ARE IN THE UEFA CUP FINALS :lol:

^^ More important things to do, RANGERS ARE IN THE UEFA CUP FINALS :lol:

Should of beeen spurs year, congrats to you.

Bet Cousin is kicking himself now ! well done hope MAN UTD do the biz now also !

What are they doing with that red steel horizontal structure on the plot in front of infinity. It looks like it has gone out over the footway next to the water . Whats it for ??

They appear to be building accommodation / offices ... I don't think it is for Infinity (as it isn't adjacent to their plot and they have offices already). Perhaps for the ongoing bridge & road construction.

Progress is OK - they are continuing to excavate and prepare the piles. A lot of work going on near the breach area, probably to tidy it up ready for the raft.

^^ Most probably for the Damac Height ground work contractor.

Good progress visible from this angle ...

http://docs.google.com/File?id=d5rhnmx_51x4kg7gg6_b

Looking good down there. Personally I wouldn't put one step inside that pit. :)

imagine parking your car in the garage and hearing strange sounds in the walls, definatly would want the upper parking lots

Cheerful lot aren't you?

Looking good down there. Personally I wouldn't put one step inside that pit. :)

Anyone seen the new Indiana Jones movie yet ? :runaway:

New completion date is December 2011.

Good for them to be candid with their customers, not like some who keep lying even after it is an obvious NOT!

^^

How is your swimming pool ?

New completion date is December 2011.

Good for them to be candid with their customers, not like some who keep lying even after it is an obvious NOT!

Well done again last night TB. Cant agree more, still Sept 08 handover of TP even though we reached the floor of the 5th floor today........

Hi TB

Have you heard something official from Cayan about the new completion date? Any other updates from them on progress, payments due etc? Thanks.

Hi TB

Have you heard something official from Cayan about the new completion date? Any other updates from them on progress, payments due etc? Thanks.

Nothing directly from Cayan but the source is good :) On progress, the official line is that the force majeure is over and Arabtec have commenced construction.

I don't know what will happen with payments but if they haven't had anything in a while I would guess they will want to draw down something first then look at a rescheduled plan for the rest. Just a guess based on my own take. If this was a DS project you would be 90% out of pocket right now :)

^^ Not if you were on their excellent 15 year payment plan.

You mean the progress linked payment plan :lol:

^^ Only kidding, the 15 year plan is great. :D .Now can I come to this years Christmas party? I promise to behave:okay:

Good News is that they are working 24 hrs.
Bad news is they are still pumping water out.

Large pipes are to hold the walls they will be removed once they start working at that level.

Guess 5 months to get to the ground level.

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All good, thanks Maverkis. As mentioned before, pumping water is normal when working below the water table and particularly next to the sea :)

All the piles look as we would expect them to and they have already started to close the breach.

24hr working, do we still have a race on here with the Torch :runaway:

BTW is that the Heat in your avatar?

Presumably with it's constantly changing floor-plate this is not going to rise as quickly as a straight "cut and paste" tower? Are they likely to achieve a floor every six days? It may be a controversial submission but here goes anyway; - the Torch is actually rising faster than anything comparable being built in the marina at present. I'm not saying it's on SP's published timeline, or that it's the fastest ever - it's just the benchmark for speed around the joint at present.

(Yes, - I know this isn't the Torch thread. Sorry guys!)

^^ If you only consider the current timeframe you could be right in a sense. However the Torch started rising 16 months ago and the first 12 were TORCHure :).

Infinity will have a repeating floor plate only the orientation changes approx 1 deg per floor, hardly noticable to the workers. Only the setting out Engineer will note the changes.

Nothing directly from Cayan but the source is good :) On progress, the official line is that the force majeure is over and Arabtec have commenced construction.

I don't know what will happen with payments but if they haven't had anything in a while I would guess they will want to draw down something first then look at a rescheduled plan for the rest. Just a guess based on my own take. If this was a DS project you would be 90% out of pocket right now :)

Right as usual true blue official letter arrived with completion dated dec 2011 payments have been moved and have a new contract to sign!!

That's a relief, all that money on cocktails wasn't wasted afterall. :)

Bluegirl What's the new payment scheme please?

Bluegirl What's the new payment scheme please?

September 2008 4th installment
september 2009 5th "
september 2010 6th "
completion

Wish I had bought here now, I could manage that cash flow. With resales up at 2000aed/ft I should have taken my own advise instead of building a new house in Scotland in a declining market :bash:

Thanks for posting the info - good news for the cashflow. Never mind TB - you've got the thought of your apartment in the Jewels to keep you warm as the temperature and prices plummet in Scotland! Hindsight is great isn't it? Wish I'd bought in Dubai instead of new-build flats here in the UK that I can't sell!

I also own a 2 bed in Dorrabay which occupies a plot similar to Infinity at the entrance to the chic end of the marina. Bought in Dec 05 it was the first pre launch and being the first to reserve I got a corner apartment which has panoramic views of the marina and sea.

Cayan have managed to do 2 things very well so far. Buy the best plots at the marina entrances and waterfront locations. Nothing so far has been 2nd row. They also hired the best design teams to commission outstanding designs that will be pleasing to the eye for many many years to come. All they need now is to hire someone that can make a decent job of a bathroom.

If they hired anyone who can make even half as decent a job of a bathroom as you do of investment talk, then its a job well done all round. :)

Official completion now 2012 which means in reality this one is to be handed over 7 years after launch! A long time to have your money tied up.

^^Launched end 2005 complete end 2011, that's only 6 years.

Payments have been delayed inline with the extended completion with a large chunk only payable on completion so money not tied up as such. A similar payment plan is in place with Trident projects also. That is why there are not as many Cayan or Trident investors jumping about as there are DS/SP ones. I would recon that cashing in on Cayan/Trident projects would not be so difficult either.

I better cut out the investment chat before Naz gives me another warning :)

With the price going higher and higher for Cement and Steel how is the Developer going to offer the same quality (interior and exterior) for a building which is 3yrs delayed.

I still find the design of this project most attractive regardless of anything else

^^ competiton is between ocean heights, infinity & damac heights rest are usual stuff:)

I took a picture from Grosvenor House today. Piling seems to be quite advanced. Will post it as soon as I have a good connection to the internet. Golden Sands connection is pre-1990s right now...

With the price going higher and higher for Cement and Steel how is the Developer going to offer the same quality (interior and exterior) for a building which is 3yrs delayed.

That's presumably why the Developer asked to buy back from existing investors - albeit at a healthy profit to the investor - so that he can sell again at AED 5,000 per sq ft to cover his increased costs.

The developer has held back units and only released enough units to cover costs know at the time. For example the cost of the plot, the foundations and projections based on tender returns.

As prices and market values are increasing together the extra costs will be covered from the higher sale prices of the unreleased units.

Initial launch prices were around 1000-1200aed/ft2. As Yousef has alluded, the final price could be 5000aed/ft2.

It would be the best to stop this ridiculous project, to fill up the hole again and to put a car park on top of it...or public toilets:-) ... instead of having a non-ending job site there that is only busy with pumping out water...

Good points actually BUT wrong Place....they should put it at sky tower plots then i will definitly support that ...:D

Agree, I would prefer that the MST plot was a public toilet, it would be more attractive.

When is this mistake going to fix it self already, I want to see it start rising ?

YEA LET'S GO ...it's really one of best landmark tower in dubai marina :) my fav

Im sure someone can add some exiting coments to this pic if they really try.

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I hope when they'll remove the suporting beams, they will not take also the tower crane with them.

But TB can give his opinion on the concrete pump outside the plot. Probably still reinfoircing (sealing) the area around the plot.

Great Pic High times


How did you manage to get this, i mean from where did you click this pic ?

I was there last week they said the beams will be removed once the concrete reaches to the beam level :)

Any way thanks for the best update of infinity since long :)

^^ It is obvious from where this pic it was taken.

^^last week i clicked some pics from the position where unimix cement mix is .

There is a hotel next to it i do not know the name of it though :)

Great Pic High times


How did you manage to get this, i mean from where did you click this pic ?

I was there last week they said the beams will be removed once the concrete reaches to the beam level :)

Any way thanks for the best update of infinity since long :)

Pic taken from Emirates Harbour Hotel floor 48

How long do you think before first parking level is coverd ?

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^^ Looks like sections of a wall being put in place, Good to see progress of a sort.....up up and away soon

Nice shots scoot! Infinity is progressing well. Also great to see the new bridge coming along and the progress on Grosvenor 2 :cheers:

Good thing is developer is not bullshiting about the completion date and they changed the payment plans to.

^^ Well, the CEO used to work for some big gun financial institutions before so he would know a thing or two about the costumer relations.

are there tower cranes going up?!! this feels like progress!

^^ The tower crane is clearly visible in all the latest picture ... or are you asking something different?

^^ I guess he wanted to be sure that it was a tower crane he saw in the picture :)

just stating the obvious :-)

also looks like the raft pour could be happening any minute now.

Any chance of a photo from the roof again Scoot?

That picture is a week old, so yes hopefully started.
Lots of catching up to do here.

Will be another few weeks before the pile cap raft is poured. They still have the waterproofing tanking membrane to apply then the main reinforcement then it will be ready to go.

^^ I think it will at least take a month or two. They haven't even finished excavating all of the piles and placing all the rebar also takes its time :)

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I love coming to this thread. Everyone is so polite about this project! I'm hoping it's infectious and people start saying nice things about TT and SP!

I love coming to this thread. Everyone is so polite about this project! I'm hoping it's infectious and people start saying nice things about TT and SP!

The first to not say such things as you are wishing for, are the ones who have legal binding with both the TT and SP.

Gee, I wonder why they might be so negative sometimes ...

That new bridge looks like a bit of a nightmare to try and cross on foot if you want to stagger over to GH bar 44.

That new bridge looks like a bit of a nightmare to try and cross on foot if you want to stagger over to GH bar 44.

Hopefully in due course there will be a roaring trade in water taxis operating from right outside GH! Nice to arrive and depart by boat I reckon.

How far along does Infinity have to be before work can get going on Damac Hights?

^^ Reaching the ground level.

Go infinity tower...

That new bridge looks like a bit of a nightmare to try and cross on foot if you want to stagger over to GH bar 44.

That bridge shouldnt be there.

Should have been a tunnel IMO.

How far along does Infinity have to be before work can get going on Damac Hights?
Good evening and thank you for your kind observation.

Infinity is not holding up Damac Heights, quite the contrary. If you look at the pictures you will notice the diagonal bracing installed to resist the soil pressure from the DH plot. If this soil could be removed then the diagonal bracing could be removed making life for Arabtec a lot simpler. Hope this clarifies the situation for you.

Please do not hesitate to post your thoughts should you require any further information or clarification. Have a nice day and give our love to all your family and friends. :bowtie:

^^:)I love coming to this thread. Everyone is so polite about this project! I'm hoping it's infectious and people start saying nice things about TT and SP!

Very informative and courteous contribution TB - but you're always really polite here anyway. Come on - say something nice on an SP thread - you know you want to! :)

Hello People, It would be so nice to see some updated photos of the site and the foundation. It's kinda hard to watch a building being build with no web cam or photos being published. Come on guys I know that you can do this. Thanks
Lance

Visibility is shite at the moment...hopefully will clear soon.

Thank you True Blue!

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Anything happening here.. yet?

thay seem to be taking an eternity to get the raft poured!

Pic from MisterMark :okay:

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Wowowowowowow !! Awesome picture man !! :master:
Waiting a few week for such a great shot !!!! :eek:

I can't say for sure as the picture is so small, but the pilecap/raft slab may have been poured very recently or is that just the oversite concrete that goes below the slab. Can't make it out.

Anyone know if it has been poured?

not poured yet, they're still placing the rebar before the big pour comes :)

^^ Thanks.

Would love to see what they did to the breach now ...

They managed to reduce the size of the breach to a small hole and then got a little Dutch boy to stick his finger in it. :)

what does all this mean in terms of construction... So the pour comes before or after the pilling ?

How long before actual construction begins ,

^^ The foundation is poured after piling. After that the basement levels start, then the podium, then up it goes :)

Don't think it has been poured yet. People should keep an eye on it since it should be done soon, the aliens should land when it gets poured :)

Reposting this old picture just to compare the progress

http://docs.google.com/File?id=d5rhnmx_51x4kg7gg6_b

Is all that metal on the DAMAC site for Infinity? BTW awesome shot! The tallest block is going up!

yes, all rebar for the foundation

Aliens were there today :)

^^ Did they take your camera or you still got it to take a picture of them

Wasn't a worthy angle...

Great news that this is really going somewhere now. The prettiest tower in the Marina. Will be nice to see the floorplate rising shortly with that fabulous twist to it. I can't wait to see this one going up, will be very interesting. :banana:

Good news that the aliens have landed on the plot at last.

Will probably be 1 year before you see a twist in the floorplates.

Wasn't a worthy angle...

Have a Drink in GH and take picture from there :) :cheers:

No photos sorry. Just got back to London today having spent 10 days in the Emirates Hotel next to the infinity plot. The receptionist apologised on our arrival that there is a lot of building work going on next door and that our room would be overlooking the plot.(perfect) We were 32 floors up with a perfect view of what was happening. About 9 days ago throughout the night there was queues of cement lorries pulling onto the site using 6 machines to pump the cement into the plot. I think they must have put a couple of foot in as they covered the entire plot and the rows of steel rods. This was then covered with polystyrene sheets after they had buffed the newly laid cement with a buffer ( like the ones you polish a floor with) This polystyrene was left there and the workmen broke it up over a few days walking on it. It presume it was to protect the newly laid cement. There is a shift change each day at 6am and 6pm where literally hundreds of blue overalled workers swap shift. I estimate that there is about 150 on site working at any one time.There are now 3 large yellow cranes on the plot. It is very very active there and they are working 24 hours a day ( even between 12 -3 pm there is a bit of activity) Loads of air conditioned huts and offices on site. Interestingly they have now cleared completely the Damac site next door which took them about a week so they may start there soon as well. From a layman who knows nothing about construction I thought the site was exceptionally well looked after, men sweeping , picking up any stray litter etc etc. There are lorry loads of steel rods, scaffolding, wooden beams etc etc all placed neatly by the site of the plot on the car park area covered with sheeting.I know it will take years but it is interesting watching it grow.I had to spend a few quid on fake handbags in Al Karama to keep the Mrs happy as I spent plenty of time watching the site.I dont know what is going on in the area where the breach was but there was sometimes up to 30 men working in there for hours. Not a problem just interesting to watch.PS Did get a bit of a tan and can thoroughly recommend the hotel apartments about £130 a night for a 2 bed aprtment

The serviced apartments are a real treat, and come fully furnished with absolutely everything.

You can't beat Emirates!

Well, unless you're another giant commerical airline. Or, even a budget airline. Well, or unless you got a couple of Cesna's on your uncle's farm that you occasionally like to transport farm animals in. :sleepy:

Nice hotels though.

I think they must have put a couple of foot in as they covered the entire plot and the rows of steel rods.

I think the foundation raft will be 3m up to 5m thick... not only a couple of foot! ;)
And no pictures? You had the perfect view on the plot but didn't take any pictures?! :bash: :lol:

Exactly! I thought that too, no pictures…..shame on you.
Paid £130 per night on hotel accommodation, how much does a camera cost these days, probably the same price as your wife’s fake handbags.

Or maybe you have taken pictures and will load them later. Then you’re forgiven.
Anyway great news. Wish I had bought here. :)

how do you know how much fake hand bags are worth ?????????

Because I took him there as punishment for spending hours looking at and talking about cranes, holes, pilings, cement mixers,this lorry that lorry etc etc .....signed mrs rbj

^^^^

:lol::lol:

:)

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Nice picture Sale! Great to see infinity growing :cheers:

WOW! What a amazing and great progress! Infinity Tower comes like phoenix from the ash...! Cool!

Coo-ool!!!

Amazing pace of construction here, really motoring now. :banana:

WOW a circular central core. Now that's got to be a first ... at least for Dubai. :eek:

^^ I presume it's a way of keeping the floorplans the same for each floor while it's rotating :)

Infinity core is coming so twisted BTW nice shot 234sale keep it up :)



P.S change it to UNDER C :D

Great photos - interesting that they're having to sacrifice some of the basement space due to the breach. I doubt they'll hang around, they'll want to get above ground ASAP!

[QUOTE=Tractor;24042932]Great photos - interesting that they're having to sacrifice some of the basement space due to the breach.

What do you mean lost basement space ?

Progress! ^^

The best tower in Dubai Marina is rising (and i hope fast) ! :master:

I don't think they sacrificed any space because of the breach.

In this photo you can clearly see they have had to build a concrete wall around the breach which has reduced the size of the basement level ...

http://i33.tinypic.com/1zgvjlz.jpg

:cheer:she sure has came a long way.

^^ don't act like tag one :lol:

In this photo you can clearly see they have had to build a concrete wall around the breach which has reduced the size of the basement level ...

http://i33.tinypic.com/1zgvjlz.jpg

Hm, that's right. I missed that.

After all the trouble with Water Flooding the basement, it's nice to see this Project really starting to move now. ^^

hopefully it won't rise as slow as some other towers in the TB :)

Great to see picture of this after a long time. The basement being smaller? will it just mean less parking or will it be smaller above ground too i.e the podium will be smaller ?

The Core was always a circular even on the floor plans and i'm sure it's to allow for the twist as if it was the normal shape you'd end up changing the floor by each twist where as this way the floor plan is exaclty the same just moved 1.5 degrees compared to the one below.

I was told today that the units owners should be receiving very soon letters from the developer with an improved completion date. I hope this is true. :)

Sorry completely off topic,,
Can you imagine if the staircase was cirular too,,, Be like a castle..
FYI most castles are designed so your right arm goes against the outer wall when you go up..They were deliberately built so that the staircase turns clockwise and has uneven steps, which made it difficult for right-handed attackers when the castle was under siege.

I guess the invention of smart bombs and surface to air missiles reduced the need for such cunning.

^^Haha. Thats freaken cool. I didn't know that.

Good to see this one on the up and up... what is the new completion date then ?

I was told new completion date will be Sep. 2010 but I can not confirm this information yet. Can anyone else confirm this date?

I was told new completion date will be Sep. 2010 but I can not confirm this information yet. Can anyone else confirm this date?

not before then 2011-2012

I was told new completion date will be Sep. 2010 but I can not confirm this information yet. Can anyone else confirm this date?

From the track record of all towers regardless of who built it you'll be lucky if it's Sept 2011 i'd say more like 1st or 2nd quter of 2012

From AME INFO news

Currie & Brown mixes it up at Cayan-developed Infinity Tower in Dubai Marina
Over a 39-hour period, Currie & Brown oversaw the continuous pouring of 7000m3 of concrete to create the 3m thick basement raft slab, including 1900 tonnes of steel reinforcement, that will support the iconic Infinity Tower currently under construction at Dubai Marina.
United Arab Emirates: 1 hour, 6 minutes ago PRESS RELEASE

Cayan-developed Infinity Tower in Dubai Marina.

Currie & Brown are project and cost managers on the £140m (Dhs1bn) project by developers Cayan Investment and Development to build the world's tallest tower featuring a 90 degrees twist. Each of the 75 floors of the residential apartment development will be rotated by 1.2 degrees to achieve a full 90 degrees spiral, creating the shape of a helix.

Over two days, ten concrete placement pumps, 40 concrete mixer trucks, three concrete batching plants and a multi-national site team of 500, led by Currie & Brown, worked in temperatures in excess of 40C degrees to complete the task.

The concrete was mixed with ice at the batching plants and delivered to site with a maximum temperature of 27C degrees. Additives to the concrete included plasticizer / retarders which produced a flowing concrete and a setting time of 4 hours. An extended setting time was essential to avoid cold joints in the slab. The concrete surface was finished with helicopter power floats and then covered with polystyrene insulation for the seven day curing period.

Commenting on the challenges that the unique design presented, Ahmad Kasem, Development Director at Cayan Investment & Development praised the team involved saying:

'Infinity Tower presents unique and complex challenges to everyone involved in this magnificent project. Our union with the renowned Currie & Brown will guarantee a better project and cost management for the award winning Infinity Tower. We believe that the expertise of Currie and Brown will further assert the quality and punctuality of the prestigious project.'

When complete in 2010, the residential apartment building will be the tallest tower to twist by 90 degrees, standing 330 metres high with 75 floors above ground and a five-floor basement.

Mark Taylor Currie & Brown's Regional Managing Director for the Middle East & Central Asia said:

'We are proud to be associated with this landmark project which further demonstrates Currie & Browns ability to take an active lead role in world class construction projects. Our dedicated team has ensured that, in conjunction with Cayan Investments and main contractors Arabtec Construction LLC, the significant challenge of this concrete pour has been met.'

Currie & Brown has had a presence in the region for over thirty years and has built a sustainable business employing over 200 people in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Oman.

As well as the Infinity Tower project, Currie & Brown's asset management, cost and project management services are behind some of the most prestigious projects in the Middle East, including the Dhs2bn contract at Yas Island which will host the first ever Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi home of the 2009.

^^did currie and brown write this? :-p

From the track record of all towers regardless of who built it you'll be lucky if it's Sept 2011 i'd say more like 1st or 2nd quter of 2012

Would agree with that (love this tower though)and Cayan do have [prettyy good track record aprt from this tower which was a little unfortunate for them - What do you think TB ?

Where is TB?

Where is TB?

Still on a downer since the UEFA CUP GUBBING !!!!!!!! :lol:

Where is TB?

Blindfolded, handcuffed and smelling of chloroform in a basement in Wilmslow.

Currie & Brown are project and cost managers on the £140m (Dhs1bn) project by developers Cayan Investment and Development to build the world's tallest tower featuring a 90 degrees twist. Each of the 75 floors of the residential apartment development will be rotated by 1.2 degrees to achieve a full 90 degrees spiral, creating the shape of a helix.

Where is TB?

I think he got a job with DAS Holding.

Currie & Brown are project and cost managers on the £140m (Dhs1bn) project by developers Cayan Investment and Development to build the world's tallest tower featuring a 90 degrees twist. Each of the 75 floors of the residential apartment development will be rotated by 1.2 degrees to achieve a full 90 degrees spiral, creating the shape of a helix.

You think 75 floors is the final floor height??

^^ The twist would start above the podium anyway

Ok, so 80 floors is right :okay: !!

^^:nono: check this one from website http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13

234sale, is the tower in your smart book??

How many floors there??

^^:nono: check this one from website http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=13

^^:nono: check this one from website: http://www.infinitytower.com/index.php?id=36

^^ :nono: check this article in post no.#1447




:D

^^ 75 residential floors + podium probaly = 80, who cares i'm on 20th floor i know it goes that high :)

^^

When you purchased here did they tell you exactly where your appartment on the 20th floor would be facing in relation to the twist of the tower ?

Yes, and the website used to let you see exactly where as well. As you clicked on each floor, the plan rotated so that you could see exactly where the apartment faced. I don't think that works any more though.

^^ Yes it does, just check the link posted by Bizzy on post 1458

^^

When you purchased here did they tell you exactly where your appartment on the 20th floor would be facing in relation to the twist of the tower ?

it's 06 facing GH with a slight twist towards the sea / promenade and yes on the offical site there is a plan and shows you general direction as you click on each floor

^^
Congratulations.

This will be one of the best looking towers in the Marina. I only hope i can see it from my appartment. :cheers:

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Finally some pics !! Hope they are out of ground in 2-3 months !! :eek:

What you been out of the ground , you mean out of that big hole?

It has made some good progress let's hope it carries on and that they can make some time up, By the way there wasnt a new completion date with the last invoice....

3 Cranes :banana::banana::banana:

I'm extremely happy to see this beautiful tower progressing! well done!

thats a great sight to see. Thanx for the updates

Currie & Brown mixes it up at the Cayan-developed Infinity Tower in Dubai Marina

http://www.cayan.net/up_files/projects_image_29.jpg

[Dubai, August 20, 2008] - Over a 39-hour period (24/25 July), Currie & Brown oversaw the continuous pouring of 7000m3 of concrete to create the 3m thick basement raft slab, including 1900 tonnes of steel reinforcement, that will support the iconic Infinity Tower currently under construction at Dubai Marina.

Currie & Brown are project and cost managers on the £140m [AED1 billion] project by developers Cayan Investment and Development to build the world's tallest tower featuring a 90˚ twist. Each of the 75 floors of the residential apartment development will be rotated by 1.2 degrees to achieve a full 90˚ spiral, creating the shape of a helix.

Over a two day period, ten concrete placement pumps, 40 concrete mixer trucks, three concrete batching plants and a multi-national site team of 500, led by Currie & Brown, worked in temperatures in excess of 40°C to complete the task.

Commenting on the challenges that the unique design presented, Ahmad Kasem, Development Director at Cayan Investment & Development praised the team involved saying, "Infinity Tower presents unique and complex challenges to everyone involved in this magnificent project. Our union with the renowned Currie & Brown will guarantee a better project and cost management for the award winning Infinity Tower. We believe that the expertise of Currie and Brown will further assert the quality and punctuality of the prestigious project.”

When complete in 2010, the residential apartment building will be the tallest tower to twist by 90 degrees, standing 330 metres high with 75 floors above ground and a five-floor basement.

Mark Taylor Currie & Brown’s Regional Managing Director for the Middle East & Central Asia
said:
"We are proud to be associated with this landmark project which further demonstrates Currie & Browns ability to take an active lead role in world class construction projects. Our dedicated team has ensured that, in conjunction with Cayan Investments and main contractors Arabtec Construction LLC, the significant challenge of this concrete pour has been met."

Currie & Brown has had a presence in the region for over thirty years and has built a sustainable business employing over 200 people in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Oman.

As well as the Infinity Tower project, Currie & Brown’s asset management, cost and project management services are behind some of the most prestigious projects in the Middle East, including the AED 2 billion contract at Yas Island which will host the first ever Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi home of the 2009.

About Cayan Investment & Development

Cayan is a regional player with presence in Dubai, Riyadh, Jeddah and Cairo. The company has developed several residential projects in Dubai, namely the recently completed La Residencia Del Mar, Dorrabay and The Jewels at Dubai Marina. The exquisite Infinity Tower which is the only 90 degree twisting tower in the world is also being developed at a prime location in Dubai Marina. It is also developing Cayan Business Centre, a freehold commercial tower in TECOM on Sheik Zayed Road. In KSA, Cayan is developing the Lamar project, a one of its kind 7 star luxury project.


http://www.cayan.net/thenews.php?id=29

I Just love the round core on this makes it different already

6 /Sept/2008

Infinity site

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good to see construction recommence

Ok, so 80 floors is right :okay: !!

Yep 80 floors, 330 M

No of lifts 6

90degree twist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXsLXFdKp4

some chap put some photos to music

nice music.. makes the photos come to life, lets hope it carries on

Can anyone tell me and the rest of the great people in the forum , What that large brown wall is for?

brown wall = backside of billboard. there a nice big project graphic on the front.

Thank You

Which (the graphic on front), I might add, has nothing to do with the Infinity tower

Infinity Tower (from the damac website for some reason :lol:)


http://damacproperties.com/media/system/const_update/17/73/damac-heights-20080911-1.jpg

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WTF ... are they trying to pass it as work on Damac Heights progressing :rofl:

Has anyone seen that powerpoint presentation that is doing the e-mail circuit at the moment ?

Very funny and also uses a few of this forums pictures.

Its all about Infinity colapsing ??

No i not seen that one..

Infinity Tower (from the damac website for some reason :lol:)


Well at least we got a free update, but there could be a few possible reasons to the mistake

1) DAMAC have boughtout Cayan and Infinity. i hope not as the for sale sign will go up
2) DAMAC don't know there arse from their elbow so sent someone to take pictures of DAMAC Heights Plot and in ture DAMAC form the idiot took picutres of the wrong plot not only that but they actually got it posted on the website.

We all love you DAMAC

Progress on Infinity Tower 26/09/2008:


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Finally the core up ground :cheer:

Wicked! What good pics!! Thanks, bizzy.

Awesome !! Core is out of ground !!! :okay:

Thanks to CharlieBigPotatoes! (Sorry if some pics in wrong thread)

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Infinity Tower suffers 18 month delay

My goodness, they're really on the ball. This was announced in the letter Cayan sent out to all purchasers on 12th of May. Nothing like speedy news reporting!

Here is the text of bizzy's wrong link.
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=284&storycode=3124297&c=0

Cayan's SOM-designed 330m twisting tower will not be finished until December 2011, it emerges

The Infinity Tower, a 330m-high twisting structure in Dubai Marina, will be completed 18 months later than expected.

Drake & Scull, a UAE-based M&E contractor appointed to the project, said that the £140m tower will now be completed in December 2011.

Developer Cayan Investment & Development originally planned to open the scheme in the summer 2010, but Drake & Scull revealed that the project has been delayed. No reason has been given.

Khaldoun Tabari, chief executive of Drake & Scull International, said: “We are delighted that work has restarted on Infinity Tower, a project we are very proud to be a part of.”

The building twists 90º from its base, creating a spiral-shaped structure. It has been designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, the architect behind the Burj Dubai. Arabtec is building the tower, and British firm Currie & Brown is project and cost manager for the scheme.

Here is the text of bizzy's wrong link.
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=284&storycode=3124297&c=0

Cayan's SOM-designed 330m twisting tower will not be finished until December 2011, it emerges

The Infinity Tower, a 330m-high twisting structure in Dubai Marina, will be completed 18 months later than expected.

Drake & Scull, a UAE-based M&E contractor appointed to the project, said that the £140m tower will now be completed in December 2011.

Developer Cayan Investment & Development originally planned to open the scheme in the summer 2010, but Drake & Scull revealed that the project has been delayed. NO REASON HAS BEEN GIVEN.

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ERRR? WATER?

Well i never expected it to be ready Summer 2010 anyway. Were only 3 months from 2009 + another 18 to 21 months it's obvious it was not going to be that date.

You don't have to be a genuis

^^ But it helps :lol:

Everyone knows that the completion date is Torch - 1week :D

Cayan has now changed Completion date on their website to - June 2011 for Infinity.