09/April/2009

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Thanks for the update guys....cores growing slower or not at all, must be close to all podium levels being done

Can't wait to see the core floor plates.

14/April/2009

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posted 19 new photos here: www.dubaiupdate.com

^^ First of the sloping supports being formed. Check out the density of rebar needed to deal with the out of plumb loads.:eek:

Check the last pic - am I hallucinating or are these CD's in between the steel?

I thought the same but something else:)

Check the last pic - am I hallucinating or are these CD's in between the steel?

They are temporary spacer packers to hold the steel in the correct position until the links are fixed. The shear links are the horizontal bars.

They need to use heavy duty steel like this as cement blocks or plastic spacers would just crush against the weight of so much steel. If any get stuck or fall into the cage then they can be left as they are not inferior to the concrete strength.

The marketing team form Cayan need shooting.

They should have been saying "Infinity, Life with a twist". or something like that, but i suppose, when your this good at construction you dont need gimicky marketing strategy.

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^^:lol:

Their marketing is shit full stop. To get by they launch at prices below the going market rates, passing on the marketing cost savings to the buyers. Seems to work.

^^:lol:

Their marketing is shit full stop. To get by they launch at prices below the going market rates, passing on the marketing cost savings to the buyers. Seems to work.
TB did you get in on this one ? still my Fav tower in DM

No, I thought it a bit pricey at 1100/ft in 2005. For the same money I could buy a unit in The point or Bay Central from the biggest private developer in the marina.

Missed opportunities everywhere:lol:

No, I thought it a bit pricey at 1100/ft in 2005. For the same money I could buy a unit in The point or Bay Central from the biggest private developer in the marina.

Missed opportunities everywhere:lol:
Now you know The Point was only 800 psf - and i,m surprised youve acknlowledged SP to be the "biggest private developer in Marina" :lol::lol:

The biggest private developer? What did they build? I thought they didn't finish anything yet?

The biggest private developer in the Dubai Marina is the Diamond Investments.

they have 6 buildings (Marina Diamond 1-6) already finished, handed over and the 7th (Marina Diamond 7) coming soon.

Any chance of a cosntruction lesson here? How does this work regarding the curved uprights and the out of plumb loads? I can see that the forces will be different due to the skew but how does the load transmit through the structure and how do they compensate for it. That looks like a sh*t-load of re-bar in that photo. How much more expensive is it to build a skewed tower compared to a straight one?

The biggest private developer in the Dubai Marina is the Diamond Investments.

they have 6 buildings (Marina Diamond 1-6) already finished, handed over and the 7th (Marina Diamond 7) coming soon.

That sounds more like it

The marketing team form Cayan need shooting.

They should have been saying "Infinity, Life with a twist". or something like that, but i suppose, when your this good at construction you dont need gimicky marketing strategy.



I actually think the marketing wasn't that bad at the time - the website they had was quite good and almost made me buy. Good at construction... well I'll agree once this is built!

The biggest private developer in the Dubai Marina is the Diamond Investments.

they have 6 buildings (Marina Diamond 1-6) already finished, handed over and the 7th (Marina Diamond 7) coming soon.

Yes, unfortunately they delivered....... :)

From flickr from a slightly different angle

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19/April/2009

Infinity Tower

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As usual, great update Imre.

Looks like the final floor of the podium is almost there. Looking at the bended columnrebar it looks like no more floors will be stacked on top.
When the podium is done and they start the turning part it will speed up i think. Then they can repeat a certain process over and over again. (only a bit twisted each floor)

Looks like good progress on this one. When is the stated completion date by Cayan?

dec 2011!!

Expectations are that 2 - 3 months will be shaved off this time.

Torch completion minus 1 week:)

INCORRECT!!!

The biggest developer in Dubai Marina is EMAAR

Original 6 towers

Al Marara, 5 towers.

Marina Prominade I think 5 Towers.

2 Major developments nearing completion.... Marina Quays and Park Island

The biggest private developer in the Dubai Marina is the Diamond Investments.

they have 6 buildings (Marina Diamond 1-6) already finished, handed over and the 7th (Marina Diamond 7) coming soon.

^^emaar are not a private developer...

INCORRECT!!!

The biggest developer in Dubai Marina is EMAAR

Original 6 towers

Al Marara, 5 towers.

Marina Prominade I think 5 Towers.

2 Major developments nearing completion.... Marina Quays and Park Island

Just a little quick off the mark there! Don't you think that someone with over 20,000 posts on this forum might
know what he is talking about?:)

Anymore Cayan projects on hold Mr Imre? :lol:

anymore?? what other cayan projects are on hold?

Just a little quick off the mark there! Don't you think that someone with over 20,000 posts on this forum might
know what he is talking about?:)

Anymore Cayan projects on hold Mr Imre? :lol:

not ON HOLD , few workers still there :lol:

INCORRECT!!!

The biggest developer in Dubai Marina is EMAAR

Original 6 towers

Al Marara, 5 towers.

Marina Prominade I think 5 Towers.

2 Major developments nearing completion.... Marina Quays and Park Island

I said the biggest private developer, Emaar is not privat.

Anyway the DP has more than 40 towers (JBR) there:)

22/April/2009

Infinity Tower

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Impressive progress on the core. When was the original completion date for Infinity (pre-the accident)?

Excellent, the tower is rising :cheers:

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23 04 2009 We are 20 floors up in GH and the top of the slip is about a floor or 2 below us.

They were still full steam ahead at midnight and the top level of the podium looks almost done, you can see
the pools, very misty this am but i will get some podium pictures later

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Excellent shots, looks almost like a living creature or something :)

^^ That Irish guinness must be strong.

It's tough at GH ain't it CBG !!

Excellent progress Arabtec .

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Taken 20 mins ago, how many workers?

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Very good pic, you can see that the two main walls on the left and on the right are sloped while the smaller ones in between are vertical and connected by transfer beams on each floor... :cheers:

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awesome site the core is quite advanced compared to the floor plates

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^^Thank you charlie big potatoes for this awesome and huge photo update!

Its nice to see the main structure taking shape. :banana: :banana:

^^Thank you charlie big potatoes for this awesome and huge photo update!

Its nice to see the main structure taking shape. :banana: :banana:

Yes, after all the trouble with the Project early on. It's really moving now!

Thanks for all the great updates charlie, great to see good progress. Podium nearly done by summer we should see the main tower taking shape. Well done Arbatec and Cayan.

01/May/2009

Infinity Tower

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Can see the twist starting now. I think this tower will look stunning.

I notice that the load bearing structure is also twisting. I wonder how that works. I had thought that this would go straight, with only the angles of the floor slabs changing on each floor.

wow this is gonna look awsome

I thought so too, because that's how it looked with Ocean Heights, but the twist of Infinity is more intense and probably needs a different technique.

I notice that the load bearing structure is also twisting. I wonder how that works. I had thought that this would go straight, with only the angles of the floor slabs changing on each floor.

They can't go straight from bottom to top in case of a 90 degree twist of the floorplate.

08/May/2009

Infinity Tower

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08/May/2009

Infinity Tower

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It's nice to see some quick progress on that tower :cheers:

And also nice to see the beginning of the twist

Fantastic progress, this is going to be the icon in the marina well done to all in here especially after the year delay.

7th may

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^^ Good picture showing the progress of both The Torch and Infinity.

This time next year they will be neck and neck:lol:

^^ Good picture showing the progress of both The Torch and Infinity.

This time next year they will be neck and neck:lol:
Despite how much I respect CAYAN /ARABTEC --I doubt it will be up to 80 floors by then ?(Infinity I mean !!)
CELTIC WILL HAVE WON THE LEAGUE TWICE BY THEN THOUGH :lol::lol:

15/May/2009

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when is the weight of the building gonna be greater than pressure of the water table

Again I went to Sloanes Restaurant at Grosvenor House yesterday and enjoyed the view of several hundred workers putting this elegant building together :cheers2: Seeing the beginning of the twist is just awesome since you can imagine how tall this tower will be :)

Great work, guys!

20/May/2009

Infinity Tower

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You bought a boat now IMRE ??

what bridge is that now ?

You bought a boat now IMRE ??

unfortunatelly, not:)

Just went around the Crescent of Palm Jumeirah today.

22/May/2009

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29/May/2009

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Imre............. your updates are superb, thank you very much , not being able to live in dubai ( yet) your weekly photo updates certainly keep those of us who live in colder climates informed. thanks

wicked, wicked!!

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Really beginning to twist now.

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From this angle you can clearly see the left than side leaning back.

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And the 3 Knt speed limit in the marina?:lol:

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thank you as well charlie BP, where was your photo taken with the pool and nice to see plenty of workers on site

This is going to be one amazing building...

And the 3 Knt speed limit in the marina?:lol:

A very un-seamanlike operation; - fenders out when just entering the marina, and at speed as well. Poor show. tut tut!!

I see boats out at sea with their fenders out:nuts:

Some people who own boats don't know much about how to operate them. Too much money not enough interest!

A lot of activity...
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^sweet!

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Sometimes, Only from morphology of concrete you got an immedate conclusion that the cladding will be so supaaaair ...and that's what infinity tower all about .

05/June/2009

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05/June/2009


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KONE to supply elevators for world's tallest twisting skyscraper in Dubai:http://www.pr-inside.com/kone-to-supply-elevators-for-world-s-r1311952.htm

This is going to be a spectacular-looking building.

12/June/2009

Infinity Tower

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When you see the number of columns they have to cast on each floor you get an idea of the work Arabtec have to put in to get 1 single floor away. Only the core is slip formed and no shear walls anywhere to be seen.

Pace should start to pick up now that the podium looks like it is almost done. Bitumen painting has started on the marina level so maybe we will see some cladding after Ramadan.

I was there a few days ago after leaving Buddha Bar late at night and there was alot of workers, and construction going on. You could even hear it, the sweet sound of progression.

Infinity is certainly the busiest tower in the marina in terms of activity.

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I think they were doing some remedial works on the corner today.

tut tut

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the good old days !!!!!

15/June/2009

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15/June/2009

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^^ These last few shots are incredible. Even at this early stage of construction Infinity still looks stunning. Seems like quite a complicated build though.

15/June/2009

Infinity Tower

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gee there is a lot of storage around the site must be a big site

gee there is a lot of storage around the site must be a big site

That is not all the Infinity site. They are taking advantage of Damac not starting OH2 and they have requisitioned the vacant space to the right of Infinity for their compound and office hutting/welfare units.

They also fabricated a marina wall breach which got them permission to reclaim part of the marina water space as a hardstanding which gives them space on 3 sides of the plot, what a master stroke Cayan:laugh:

Better keep them pumps running or Emaar will be onto you:D

Won't be easy for Damac once Infinity is completed.

Yesterday

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They are starting to apply the waterproofing undercoat. It seams they want to start cladding work at the earliest, just like in Ocean Height and Princess cases.

i agree, pg. This looks extremely complicated to build since I think each floor is a mere degree of a rotation or close too. I just cant believe how obvious the shape is starting to look with only 8 floors up. This will be cool to see develop in the future for sure :)

Each floor has a twist of 1.2 degrees according to Cayan. I'm also very excited about the structure, even though I don't have an Apartment in there :(

^^ thanks, I was thinking .97 -1.3 just couldn't remember which direction

glass coming soon:)

22/June/2009

Infinity Tower

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With all of the structural concrete walls in place to accomodate the twist, as there is so many walls and they look very thick, the rooms look like they will be very dark and gloomy inside to me ?

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22/June/2009

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23/June/2009

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[QUOTE=High Times;38609206]With all of the structural concrete walls in place to accomodate the twist, as there is so many walls and they look very thick, the rooms look like they will be very dark and gloomy inside to me ?

just buy the penthouse.

Kone wins Infinity Tower lift deal

Finland-based Kone has won a contract to supply eight customized high-rise elevators for the new Infinity Tower in Dubai. Three of the elevators will travel at a speed of 8 m/s across a maximum travel of 271 metres. The installation of the equipment will start in 2010 and is estimated to be completed in 2011, the company said.

Glass going in. :) Is that black paint some sort of undercoat? :dunno:

Glass going in. :) Is that black paint some sort of undercoat? :dunno:

It's a bitumen based waterproofing paint.

It's a bitumen based waterproofing paint.

Thx, True Blue. :cheers: Is this a standard practice on all of these towers near/by the Marina? The reason I'm asking is because I don't think I've ever seen this in any photos here before.

Yes, it is common practice but not because of the marina, more to do with humidity and dew point temperature. This coating will prevent dampness travelling into the building as the warm moist air leaking into the building touches the cold concrete inside the ac cooled space.

^^ I see what you mean. You really know about all aspects of construction and such huh. Knowledge is key. :)

Thx again. :cheers:

Can't wait to see this "in the flesh" next week looking stuning already

... Knowledge is key. :)



Yes ... and they always got impressed by it.

True Blue......... keep the info coming..... I for one who knows diddly squat about how to build a 80 story twisting tower block. I really appreciate your comments and thoughts. In fact I use them when I am blah ing to my friends and telling what a good investment I have, and how it is going etc etc. So well done from me

Can someone tell me where are the balcony's?

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Yes ... and they always got impressed by it.

Well, you know how it is, he who controls the information controls the world. :yes: ;)

Can't wait to see Infinity completed. Awesome addition to the tallest block. The views in almost every direction from this tower in particular will be incredible. :D

The reason I'm asking is because I don't think I've ever seen this in any photos here before.

All construction sites in Dubai using the same bitumen waterproofing , not only just the Infinity :lol:

26/June/2009

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26/June/2009

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All construction sites in Dubai using the same bitumen waterproofing , not only just the Infinity :lol:

LOL I'm sure that's absolutely true, but like everyone in the world would know that right!? :lol: OK, I don't remember seeing PHOTOS of this process of ANY buildings here before but I'm still convinced it's NOT unique to this building. :lol: :D

^^ The beauty of this forum is that sometimes you do pick up very usefull information, one of the reasons I visit so often:)

If anyone has a question and I am fortunate enough to know the answer then........... always willing to please.;)

True Blue.

There is obviously a lot of structural concrete beams and supports in this structure to allow it to twist. How would you say the face of the structure is split between concrete and windows (in percentage terms). It looks about 50%/50% to me.

How will this effect the amount of light allowed into each room. In the pics above, the rooms appear to be very dark and poorly lit due to the thickness of concrete needed and thus small windows.

Your thoughts ?

Infinity is not burdened with external balconies. Balconies help with the heat efficiency of the building by adding a "brise soleil" effect. Helping to keep the sun out and reduce solar gain.

Using the main structural supports at the outside of the floor plan helps to increase the rigidity, moment of inertia and block the sun. You will notice that most towers without brise soleil balconies have reduced glass areas. Some have plenty of glass but little window area as the glass is placed over concrete walls (The Point is a good example).

Too much sun entering the building causes problems for the building designer and the end user due to fading furniture, floor coverings and high A/C running costs. We Brits tend to ignore the fact that the sun can be the enemy when you live in a country where it shines everyday:)

I really doubt this looks poorly lit. You still have more window than concrete surface area which is the opposite of what you have in an average house.

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^^ Of course it has no problems in that regards. It's just that having no comparison point makes it difficult to gasp that we have floor to ceiling windows here.

Mmmmmm, trying to understand your political answer here. The way i unserstand what your saying is as follows;

Infinity is not burdened with external balconies. Balconies help with the heat efficiency of the building by adding a "brise soleil" effect. Helping to keep the sun out and reduce solar gain.

So you are saying that external balconies are good for room/building cooling, and Infinity does not benefit from this effect.


Using the main structural supports at the outside of the floor plan helps to increase the rigidity, moment of inertia and block the sun.

So Infinity will be a rigid building (phew!!), and it's massive concrete columns WILL block a lot of light.


Too much sun entering the building causes problems for the building designer and the end user due to fading furniture, floor coverings and high A/C running costs.

Is it not possible to coat windows from the interior with UV filtered film (effectively letting GOOD light only in), or even closing curtains with a blackout lining to prevent negative effects of the sun if desired by the end user.

I really doubt this looks poorly lit. You still have more window than concrete surface area which is the opposite of what you have in an average house.

Malec, I dont think you can compare like for like in that manor. A standard UK house (like you have shown in your post), is not surrounded by 200 foot towers, and has windows on most sides of the structure allowing light to enter each room not only from its own window, but also from other rooms via doors and hallways. In a tower type dwelling light can only enter the room through it's own window as there are no other light sources available (no windows in hallways and doors).

I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just think that the design of this tower will make the rooms a lot darker than others in the area. I think TB has confirmed this to me from what he has said.

Still a real looker from the outside though.

I think you are missing an important point here, which is at what time these photos were taken? because the side of the building that appears on the photos above is facing WEST checkout www.infinitytower.com , hence it could be that these photos were taken when the sun was in the opposite side of the building and it could have more sun going through in some other times such as in the afternoon, does that make sense ? :)

Mmmmmm, trying to understand your political answer here. The way i unserstand what your saying is as follows;



So you are saying that external balconies are good for room/building cooling, and Infinity does not benefit from this effect.



So Infinity will be a rigid building (phew!!), and it's massive concrete columns WILL block a lot of light.



Is it not possible to coat windows from the interior with UV filtered film (effectively letting GOOD light only in), or even closing curtains with a blackout lining to prevent negative effects of the sun if desired by the end user.



Malec, I dont think you can compare like for like in that manor. A standard UK house (like you have shown in your post), is not surrounded by 200 foot towers, and has windows on most sides of the structure allowing light to enter each room not only from its own window, but also from other rooms via doors and hallways. In a tower type dwelling light can only enter the room through it's own window as there are no other light sources available (no windows in hallways and doors).

I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just think that the design of this tower will make the rooms a lot darker than others in the area. I think TB has confirmed this to me from what he has said.

Still a real looker from the outside though.

What True Blue was talking about are the tower's passive solar advantages. Passive solar is an element in green building design, a widely accepted phenomenon, that reduces the heat gain through simple, cheap strategies such as awning-like external mounts, orienting the building away from direct sun, or shading some buildings by building them close to others (one of the reasons why the Tallest Block design makes sense - all those towers naturally shade one another, and considering how many apartments they house, they're probably saving tons of energy and exhaust the central AC units would otherwise pump into the atmosphere).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_solar_building_design

Buildings produce about 1/2 of the world's energy consumption and pollution (directly and indirectly - access, construction, maintenance, power plant consumption, etc). If we make minor changes to the way we build, we can take a helluva lot of pressure off our natural environment.

I think you are missing an important point here, which is at what time these photos were taken? because the side of the building that appears on the photos above is facing WEST checkout www.infinitytower.com (http://www.infinitytower.com) , hence it could be that these photos were taken when the sun was in the opposite side of the building and it could have more sun going through in some other times such as in the afternoon, does that make sense ? :)

Thanks for explaining how the sun works, but it makes absolutely no difference to what i am saying. I am reffering to the physical amount of concrete versus windows/glass in any elevation regardless of which direction the sun is shining.

Basicaly the more concrete = the less window/glass = the less light and airy the rooms will feel.

This has been confirmed by True Blue's comments, but is seen more clearly in a direct comparison with a more conventionaly built tower consisting of more glass/window than concrete.


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All I am saying is that there is a massive difference in the ratio of concrete - glass and therefore a massive difference in available light that the rooms will have.

No doubt this is a good thing and will save Infinity owners a small fortune in A/C costs. Providing you use a candle to find the thermostat to turn it down. :)

Ok, if you are refering to the concrete thickness size then yes it is much thicker than the normal and it may take some good width space.

However as mentioned earlier by someone, the apartments glass is floor to ceiling which it should make up the difference that is lost with the concrete width.

Comparing with other buildings still Infinity tower will have more glass view because of the reason I mentioned.

If you check their website and take an example say apartment type 06 and take a ratio between the apartment size and window size you will find it is better than other apartments somewhere else.

Do you agree now ? :)

Published: June 28, 2009, 23:13

Dubai: Cayan Investment and Development - one of the region's leading real estate developers - on Sunday said its Infinity Tower development in Dubai Marina has seen accelerated construction and has already achieved significant progress on site.

The 80-storey tower will offer a stunning view of Dubai Marina. The podium levels which make up six floors are complete.

Arabtec, the main contractor for the project, has over 1,000 workers on site, working around the clock in shifts to ensure the construction schedule is followed.

The significant progress achieved on the Infinity Tower project further emphasises Cayan Investment and Development's impressive track record on project delivery as well as Arabtec's dedication to the project.

In his comments on the project construction, Ahmad Al Hatti, chairman of Cayan, said: "Cayan Investment and Development has always remained committed to time frames on its various projects and Infinity Tower is no exception. The progress of construction on the unique development reflects the meticulous care that Cayan lends to every aspect of its projects".

He added: "Once complete, Infinity Tower will boast world-class facilities and will offer its tenants a vast array of unique services and state-of-the-art amenities."

"At Infinity, we have moved from basement to level 7 in the past six months," said Kareem Derbas, CEO of Cayan Investment and Development.

The development has already garnered a total of six design awards over the last three years, including the International Architecture Award from the Chicago Athenaeum.

As of December 2008, Cayan has delivered 4 out of its 7 projects in Dubai and expects to deliver its remaining 3 projects between 2010 and 2011. In addition to the Dubai projects, Cayan has a mega-project in Jeddah

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Real_Estate_Property/10326964.html

No doubt this is a good thing and will save Infinity owners a small fortune in A/C costs. Providing you use a candle to find the thermostat to turn it down. :)

You should spent more time here to really understand the need for LESS sunlight ... plus concrete is better for bouncing pingpongs. :banana:

^^ The beauty of this forum is that sometimes you do pick up very usefull information, one of the reasons I visit so often:)

If anyone has a question and I am fortunate enough to know the answer then........... always willing to please.;)

That's true, plus it's also a big bonus when that info happens to come from someone who does actually know what the hell they are talking about. Such as your good self for instance. :wink2: :bow: :D

Keep the info flowing. Much appreciated. :cheers:

... it's also a big bonus when that info happens to come from someone who does actually know what the hell they are talking about...

An infinite number of thanks :banana:

While waiting for curtains in my previous flat, I had to wear sunglasses inside the flat, so some shading is all good to me.

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02/July/2009

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02/July/2009
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^^
Looks like they finally turned off some of the pumps.

Let's hope she doesn't start floating or Cayan may have to consider moving into the cruise ship industry:laugh:

Some useless info;

There used to be big business in Scotland where they built concrete oil rig structures in a natural dry dock in the Western Isles. Once finished, they floated these massive concrete structures out to sea and drilled for oil with them. The largest floating concrete structures ever built, apparently!

So now we know, concrete floats!! You only need to look at the pontoons in the marina to see this as they are all formed from floating concrete blocks. Bizzare but true:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_concrete_structure

^^ Or just drive over the Floating Bridge at Dubai Creek, also build over floating concrete blocks.

Photo from last Saturday

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^^ What a great view:cheers:

An infinite number of thanks :banana:

:D

Nice, cladding has started already.

Today

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10/July/2009

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Casting the 4th residential floor. About another 60 floors to go so could be topped out in 1 year.

Let's say topped out end July 2010, so 2011 still very possible as I expect everything will keep up with the tower structure as they are doing on Ocean Heights.

^^ I'm thinking more of a October 2010 topping out.

Casting the 4th residential floor. About another 60 floors to go so could be topped out in 1 year.

Let's say topped out end July 2010, so 2011 still very possible as I expect everything will keep up with the tower structure as they are doing on Ocean Heights.

Hi, I understand that the tower is over 80 story, www.infinitytower.com

^^ I'm thinking more of a October 2010 topping out.

Yes so handover may be end of 2011 or start of 2012, about 6 years after launch :D

Pound for Pound compared to The Torch, well worth the wait.

Hi, I understand that the tower is over 80 story, www.infinitytower.com

From the website it gives 72 levels above ground. We are currently on level 10 so 62 to go.

With those extra floors I will go for end August 2010 topped out. Complete Sept 2011.

Considering the fate this project suffered and the delay of over 1 year, completion in 2011 is good. 6 years after launch, can the Torch beat that?:)

From the website it gives 72 levels above ground. We are currently on level 10 so 62 to go.

With those extra floors I will go for end August 2010 topped out. Complete Sept 2011.

Considering the fate this project suffered and the delay of over 1 year, completion in 2011 is good. 6 years after launch, can the Torch beat that?:)

The delay is 3 years exactly, the project was launched early 2006, the first completion date announced by Cayan at that time was Dec.2008, then it was changed to Dec.2010 then again changed to Dec.2011, hence total delay is 3 years from the 1st announced completion date.

With the the high quality finish and all special features I belive we are really looking for a completion of mid. to end 2012.

Overall, it is worth waiting for, I personaly belive it is more attractive than Burj Dubai and it has better location.

^^ More attractive than Burj Dubai? Eh?

Maybe not better than Burj Dubai, but still fantastic. The prices in Burj Dubai rose AED 1,000 per sqft in the last 3 months and there aretons of people looking to buy in there. The same might happen with Infinity, once it get closer to completion, but with the long wait, I don't think it is a better investment than Burj Dubai, as the prices in there willskyrocket by the end of the year after the soft opening.

So Cayan have already given a date of Dec 2011, I did not know that. I have seen press releases stating that Arabtec are ahead of schedule so that would suggest that I could be close.

By the end of this year there will be atleast 10 floors of completed apartments and the process of completeing floors continues next year with possibly another 50 floors. It's a "line of balance" method of planning they use and not traditional critical path. Each trade is timed on a start to ensure continuity until completion.

Other buildings like Torch either do not use this method or don't operate it properly. They always seem to start, go well for a while then stop for a while.

I must admit to being less confident of seeing this handover before Torch having seen the way DCE threw the Point together at the last minute without even proper commisioning phase, no pools or outdoor areas complete.

17/July/2009

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WOW :)

^^There's a problem already, the material lifts/hoists don't work very well when you don't have a plumb elevation to work off:lol:

OH is plumb at the back but Infinity has no vertical faces, this will be fun:)

Core is moving up now, finally. :)

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17/July/2009

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The core of infinity always seems to move much faster to those of Silverene, is that to allow for the twist?

24/July/2009

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Imre did you see that Steel Store in work site it's like a huge hyper Dinosaur thing close to DAMAC Plot ...This thing will never stop progressing :)

Imre: Do you like this project and you belive it is special ? or you are shooting these photos just like the other projects ?

^^

I like it, I think one of the best project in Dubai.

Imre did you see that Steel Store in work site it's like a huge hyper Dinosaur thing close to DAMAC Plot ...This thing will never stop progressing :)

yes , I did:)

Thay are lucky because the Damac Heights plot still empty and they can use like a store area, they will have more space when the site offices moved into the tower.

What is the average speed for each floor? (including the core).

Are the engineers using a GPS system to solve the progressive curvature whitout any deviations?

Somebody knows anything about wind tunnel tests for the IT? I found interesting that info because the shape for this one of a kind building. Cheers! :cheers:

Currently managing a floor a week but as time goes on would expect upto a floor every 5 days as a target.

GPS is becoming the norm in the industry but local grid with EDM is still most popular and most engineers I have seen in the marina have been on this system with the prisms in hand rather than the sat receivers. Can't say for definite what is being used here.

SOM already designed a tower like this and carried out wind tunnel analysis in the USA. So not quite one of a kind:)

^^ Don't forget this one. It is not a full 90 degrees turn but still 45 degrees and already built.

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^^ That is 90 degrees.

where is that?

where is that?

Sweden.

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27/July/2009

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31/July/2009

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What are the white shutter-looking things with random slits in them on the sides of the windows on the top row?

If you look at the plans and renders you can see that some of the glass area was planned to be blanked out. This would create a random pattern on the glazing and remove the uniform appearance you would expect from a conventional design.

It looks like they have taken this idea a stage further by incorporating the random slot design in the blanking panels and thus making them into shutters that will still allow partial views.

TB. Are adjacent elevations concave and convex ?

^^ Yes they are (I know since I modelled this thing :))

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I'm disappointed with the cladding. Definitely looks like cost-cutting to me.
Compare what should have been there with what is.

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Yes they are (I know since I modelled this thing )


Does it have to be that way to accomodate the twist or is it for asthetics?

Could all elevations be concave, or convex, why alternate them in this way?

:cheers:

^^I can't think of any reason why it is needed structuraly so must be to enhance the appearance.

Malec, I was sure that the original design had all columns off plumb. Now they are plumb and stagered.

The sales floor plans definately show the glass on the outside edge and stepping in at balconies which is not what is shown on your findings. Those pics must be very old.

^^ They are from SOM.

Anyway, I'll wait for more cladding to go up before judging properly.
Are the balconies in the new version randomly placed as well? I hope so since that randomness it what will make this tower stand out from the rest I think :yes:

^^Note also that the renders show 3 glass panels per bay. Actual has 2 panels. This can only be because perimeter column sizes have increased substantially. The perforated screen idea has had to be amended to address this.

From; www.infinitytower.com


Engineering By Design

At 330 metres in height, Infinity is the highest twisting tower in the world. But remarkable though this unique achievement is, it’s just one of the features that makes Infinity so extraordinary.

Designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill, the international award-winning architectural firm, the building is a masterpiece of contemporary design and style. The architects have used open-space architectural concepts to ensure that there are no pillars anywhere in the building, creating a true sense of space and light.

Pre-finished titanium metal panels on cast-in-place concrete perimeter columns along with repetitive staggered screen panels filter the direct sunlight to the units. An inboard glass line creates a deep sill to minimize direct light and provide a screen effect, shading both glass and terraces.

Infinity’s slender elegance conceals great strength: the tower’s structural system for the tower is a high strength, reinforced concrete column superstructure that rotates with the twisting shape to create a helix.

The shape and size of these columns is determined by wind tunnel testing and innovative engineering using 3D computer modeling analysis. At all times, in creating such a unique and radical architectural project, safety and stability has been the architects’ primary concern, both in design and in the quality of materials and construction. Every stage of the Infinity project has harnessed the skills and experience of world-class professionals in every field.


"An inboard glass line", well that is a change because the glass is only inboard at the balconies. Balconies look to be in the same position in each floor plan but there is scope for flexibility so that could change also. I agree with Malec, randomness here would look superior.

I think the plumb column design makes sense otherwise blinds and curtains would look stupid with gaps everywhere.

very nice achitecture

07/August/2009

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This side is interesting. This building is going to look amazing! :cheers:

Looks so cheap materials to me :ohno:

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Looks so cheap materials to me :ohno:



I agree, materials look very cheap.

What i find more disturbing is how dark the rooms will be inside due to the thickness of the walls. Not only are the vertical walls very thick, making the wall/window ratio very small. This problem is exacerbated by the cheap perforated cladding that reduces more available light to the already dark rooms by covering part of the windows.

Still the site is very tidy and I dont think they have spilt any paint anywhere. :okay:

I think this tower is going to be a looker, not a liver. Best viewed from the outside looking in, rather than the inside looking out. A bit like Wormwood Scrubs.

I don't understand why they cover part of the windows. There is more than enough space in between for the design if they would just leave out the plane white panel.

I agree, materials look very cheap.

What i find more disturbing is how dark the rooms will be inside due to the thickness of the walls. Not only are the vertical walls very thick, making the wall/window ratio very small. This problem is exacerbated by the cheap perforated cladding that reduces more available light to the already dark rooms by covering part of the windows.

Still the site is very tidy and I dont think they have spilt any paint anywhere. :okay:

I think this tower is going to be a looker, not a liver. Best viewed from the outside looking in, rather than the inside looking out. A bit like Wormwood Scrubs.

esp. if you have a Torch facing apartment:lol:

I think we are going to need more than 1 window finished before we can make a considered judgement. Unless this tower is blocking your sea view, in which case it doesn't matter, it will look crap whatever.:D

^^ambient light levels in dxb are so high, daylight levels in apartments will be fine, especially in bays without without balconies. Apartments are not especially deep and the windows provided are full height. Glass selection may prove to be more important. The perforated screens will cast shadows internally and still let light in. Those who bought here are in for a treat. This building will be something special (even if titanium panels have been substituted for aluminium composite...)!!

esp. if you have a Torch facing apartment:lol:

I think we are going to need more than 1 window finished before we can make a considered judgement. Unless this tower is blocking your sea view, in which case it doesn't matter, it will look crap whatever.:D

I agree that it is too early to tell about the cheap replacement cladding that has been a direct result of cost cutting by Cayan. I guess time will tell what it will look like. I still think the tower will look great when completed.

Luckily i will get a great view of Infinity from my appartment, as well as a stunning view from my balcony, bedroom, and living room of the sun setting every evening over the top of Emirates Crown and The Harbour Hotel. :yes:

Cheap replacement cladding?!

How do you want to know that? Maybe this is the cladding they wanted to use for the tower since project start. A fancy rendering from some architect doesn't mean anything. The final result in reality can look like the rendering or totally different... when architects make their renderings they only think of design and NOT about "how to get it done". :)

Don’t think it is cheap :bash: only Cayan will know price wise.

Sure it is different from all others in Marina. Maybe they kept it clear to let light in.:banana:

They look like they may be experimenting with different glazing trims. The left window has a trim closer to the colour of the glass. The light coloured trim makes it look like there is too much going on.

The shade panels, or brise soliel panels are helping to solve the problem of disguising the shear blocks. The shear blocks are the cause of the top right hand corner of glass being missing. Once the brise soleil panels are fitted the remaining window is completely vertical.

Cladding is slow which makes me think they are still experimenting with glass/cladding/shade panel combinations to decide on the final appearance. There are no balconies for a few floors so we won't see the final effect for a while.

Marina Facing 2 beds corner unit on www.cayan.net --1400 aed psf don't know payment plan - but seems reasonable to me for the build quality here ?
- I think it surpasses Ocean Heights on the "cool" chart (probaly subzero !!) and thats going some :cheers:

I wonder how you will be able to clean behind this shade panel. From the inside, you will see the panel through the bottom part of the window but how are you to remove the dust between the window and panel?

[April 2008] CAYAN's CEO in a recent interview said that the phase 2 of offerings on the tower, would be at 5,000 AED/sq-ft.

Marina Facing 2 beds corner unit on www.cayan.net --1400 aed psf don't know payment plan

From 5000 psf to 1400 psf, quite a drop in price!

The 5,000 never happened. When this was announced the market price was slightly lower than 3,000 and then it went down, that's why the release at 5,000 never took place. Same with Silverene, they wanted to release a floor at 3,800 per sqft, when the market was slightly higher than 2,000 per sqft, so the drop is a little less than 50%

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10/August/2009

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Havent recognized before, that infinity tower is so skinny.

^^ what building in the Marina is not skinny ?

Havent recognized before, that infinity tower is so skinny.

It gets fatter in the middle due to it being twisted. Wonder where they got that idea from?:lol:

14/August/2009

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Havent recognized before, that infinity tower is so skinny.

:hi:After a loooong wait & paying huge premium we are also going to be SKINNY soon !:hahaha:

On the verge of having to default on a unit ... in Infinity as cant meet the re-payments... so it seems it's goodbye to this little beauty and a huge amount of money for me...

I guess everyone else is managing ok Amlak shutting up shop has really killed us dead...

Thats a shame dubaiquote. Have you discussed this with the developer? I would recomment the following:

- Check if you have paid in line with construction progress - are they asking for more than they are due according to RERA guidelines? This could put you in a strong negotiating position.
- Could you negotiate some kind of LPP with them of the nature that Select offers? I know other developers don't offer such pay plans but it would be in their interest to keep you in rather than lose you.

Just highlights to me how lucky I am for having the LPP from Select. Yes, we will all suffer with addendums but funnily enough they seem better capitalised than UAE banks.

I struggled to make last years payment and made 50% as they asked.. and then as I was getting together the rest of to finish last years payment , ie clear my debts and see what happened with this years I get a notification of termination.

I have another property with them in Plaza i have tried to say I can consolidate the two but thy said no as plaza is a different development (as it is) , but its also a different company etc etc ... So it's almost like cayan denying any link between plaza and infinity despite selling them both to me ...

At the moment they dont want to know just want to terminate or make me wait , telling me to hang onto something i cant afford to do so... so its a bit bad situation as I have paid almost 50% towards it , and didnt have any issues before.. just made a mistake buying plaza.. as i was persuaded to do so, wot is LPP?

If anyone knows anyone high up in Amlak PM me , i might be able to squeeze in a mortgage somehow... I know cayan are good .. but somethings they have done with me havent been 100% right...

Any support from this forum might help them change their minds .. i know its asking a lot but but the reason i never come here anymore is because i cant stand looking at infinity looking so good and knowing im losing it all... Thats why TheDubaiLife isnt around either as we bought it together.... :(

LPP - lengthy payment plan. Could you ask them to accept small payments each year for some years? If you have paid 50%, I could not say this development is 50% complete. Anyway depending on when you bought, isnt this way late since they had the accident during the piling?

yes but if you follow this forum Cayan were good because they didn't make people pay ... for about a year or so because of the accident ..

My only hope is this forum supporting me ... a few supportive emails to the person in charge may help... :(

Also new contracts were sent out with a new completion date..

dubaiquote. hang in there. you just need to get through the next short while till banks lend more freely again. amlak will loosen up and perhaps as inifinity construction continues other banks will look more favourably on the project. perhaps you could check with cayan to see if they are linking up with any other banks for finance. in the past its just been amlak and tamweel, i believe. the last thing cayan want is a returned unit which they might struggle to sell in this market - would have thought theyd bend over backwards to help owners make payments. best of luck, mate.

Ok, have been in to see am$lack and cayan.

There is a Customer Service Manager at Cayan _ Catherine catherine@cayan.net she is the only person that will help. After discussing the issue with 5 inadequate people I managed to get through to the right person and she is.

Have you tried talking to Catherine? According to Adaevans she is the only one that can help you. Personally I would make a trip to Dubai and talk to her in person instead of telephones or emails.

Good Luck mate.

I am trying my best to stay positive .. But i dont think from what i heard today there is any movement at all

if anyone wants to help PM esp if you have invested in infinity yourselves

20/August/2009

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21/August/2009

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21/August/2009

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