View Full Version : Article (with rendering) about 27st /385ft office tower proposed in DT St Pete


smiley
January 28th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Offices downtown would fill a need
A 27-story building is expected to rise in an area that has an office vacancy rate of well under 10 percent.
By PAUL SWIDER
Published January 28, 2007


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A prominent and underused downtown corner is slated to become home to a major new office building if the city approves plans for the southeast corner of Fourth Street and First Avenue S.

The plan is for a 27-story building that would provide 209,000 square feet of office space on top of a 380-space parking garage. If developers can get approval from the Federal Aviation Administration for the 385-foot structure, the site plan will go before the city's Environmental Development Commission in March.

"The market is soft for residential but is renewed strong for office," said Steve Anderson, part of a trio that once planned a 16-story office-residential complex on the site. "It makes sense to go all office now."

The office space would be leased but also sold as office condos, Anderson said. With the downtown office vacancy tight, city officials are welcoming the plan.

"We're overdue for some significant additional office space," said Dave Goodwin, the city's director of economic development. "We think it's time."

Goodwin said his office gets queries from companies looking for large blocks of office space but can't always help because there are so few empty spaces.

The office vacancy rate downtown is well under 10 percent, Goodwin said, which is among the lowest in the country for urban cores.

The recently completed 16-story Progress Energy building at First Avenue N and Third Street adds about 200,000 square feet of office space to the downtown inventory of about 2.5-million, but mostly for that company's own uses. When Progress moves into its new building and vacates its current space at Central Avenue and Second Street S, that 130,000 square feet will become available, but the city is hoping that much of that space will be devoted to upscale retail space since it was originally designed for that.

Conceptual plans call for the new building to have nine floors of parking and 18 floors of office space that would step back and have a shiny green skin on a steel framework, Anderson said.

Part of the new building's garage will overhang the alley on the south of the property line.

The plan is filed under the city's existing land development regulations, Anderson said, but adopts some of the goals of the new rules, like stepping back from the street. Those rules likely won't go into effect until the end of April.

The new building would be a foot shorter than the Bank of America building down the street and several feet shorter than Signature Place, a mixed-use complex rising farther east at Second Street S.

The aim is to have the building certified as "green" by the U.S. Green Building Council, Anderson said. The building will front the sidewalk along First Avenue but will be set off Fourth Street to allow green space to match that across the street at the headquarters of the St. Petersburg Times, Anderson said.

If all goes according to plan, the building could be finished by the end of 2008, Anderson said.

It would displace a vacant copy shop and empty bank drive-through. Anderson said he tried to buy the adjacent Masonic Lodge to the south and a coffee shop to the east but couldn't come to agreement with those owners.

Paul Swider can be reached at 892-2271 or pswider@sptimes.com or by participating in itsyourtimes.com.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/28/Neighborhoodtimes/Offices_downtown_woul.shtml

Jasonhouse
January 28th, 2007, 05:45 PM
Now THAT is what I'm talkin' about!

We all knew it was inevitable that DT St Pete would finally start atracting jobs...




But egad, the design leaves a good deal to be desired from a visual perspective.
Here's a copy of the rendering from the St. Pete Times.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/HemiRoy/DSC00007.jpg

TallTampa
January 28th, 2007, 05:55 PM
I don't know of any major city in the state(perhaps even the Southeast), that has office high rises being built, or even proposed. St.Pete continues to amaze.

TallTampa
January 28th, 2007, 05:58 PM
I also like the rendering in the Times. I realize this will continue St.Pete's "table top" skyline, but this would be a very nice addition. IMO.

Maxim98
January 28th, 2007, 07:25 PM
Hopefully a rendering will make its way online shortly. This is very good news indeed.

multifamilyinvestor
January 28th, 2007, 08:15 PM
385 ft new office building.. Kick Ass!

Jasonhouse
January 28th, 2007, 08:24 PM
If the article had bothered to mention who the developer was, I would email them and ask for a rendering.

TampaMike
January 28th, 2007, 10:38 PM
This is awesome. St. Pete does have a low vacancy of offices, so this is a well needed project.

Jasonhouse, if you are on top trying to find a render, that's awesome, but if you need any help, I'm here.

smiley
January 28th, 2007, 10:39 PM
Can you scan the rendering and email to someone?

Quegiebo
January 29th, 2007, 01:14 PM
If the article had bothered to mention who the developer was, I would email them and ask for a rendering.

Ya know . . . it's those damned stubborn details that seem to get in the way sometimes, Jason. ;)

Hannibal
January 30th, 2007, 02:45 AM
Here's a copy of the rendering from the St. Pete Times.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/HemiRoy/DSC00007.jpg

FloridaFuture
January 30th, 2007, 02:53 AM
Oh wow. I'd take Del Villar over this. Hopefully it's just a bad rendering of poor quality and it comes out better then this. :ohno:

TampaMike
January 30th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Damnit! Don't know what's worse, this or Del Villar. If this gets past the council I will kill someone! :gunz:

multifamilyinvestor
January 30th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Yikes... I trust that this building will be better with color and perspective. The colors are really anyones guess.

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 03:09 AM
yeah, I assume that we're missing a good deal of what is actually to come here...

Hannibal
January 30th, 2007, 03:40 AM
Yeah, it's kinda green ain't it... I'm hoping it'll be a darker forest looking green tinted glass if it absolutely has to be green. And hopefully, it'll look taller at 27 stories than the pencil drawing rendition makes it appear. If that's five stories of parking garage, the rest must be way out of scale. The rendering makes it look like an old '60s vintage 14 story building that needs to come down to make room for a new high rise. I'm optimistic about it though. Once the nausea has been shared by all involved, it'll be tweeked into a nice looking building.

Maxim98
January 30th, 2007, 03:51 AM
The whole image has a green tint, so the building isn't so... lima bean bright. Still, that roof is uninspired. This looks more like a spacing model than a polished rendering - I'll wait for something without the tint and (hopefully a bit of) 3D perspective.

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 03:53 AM
Actually, the article says it has 9 floors of parking and 18 floors of office... which doesn't quite jibe with the rendering, unless the architect is using a little visual trickery with the facade treatment between the parking garage pedestal, and the tower of office space.

I'm going to track this one down at work tomorrow...

Hannibal
January 30th, 2007, 04:23 AM
I edited and replaced the pic with a better lighted pic. Looks a bit better...

smiley
January 30th, 2007, 04:48 AM
I did better renderings than that when I was 10 yeras old. . .

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 04:56 AM
oh man, aestetically speaking, that just blows. at least in that rendering anyways...

TampaMike
January 30th, 2007, 05:15 AM
I can't stand it, get the horror of the page. Is the Tampa Bay Area back to the 60's?

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 05:27 AM
I split this discussion off into its own thread, because i've got a feeling we'll be talking about this one plenty.

Maxim98
January 30th, 2007, 05:32 AM
I think the rendering will get better. Fingers crossed. St. Pete has taste - they won't let it fly with such a mediocre rendering.


Nice, concise thread title Jason ;-P

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 05:34 AM
you betcha... just the way I like 'em.

orlandonative
January 30th, 2007, 06:15 AM
I don't know of any major city in the state(perhaps even the Southeast), that has office high rises being built, or even proposed. St.Pete continues to amaze.

Actually quite a few cities are building/planning for an office wave. But this isin't the correct thread so I digress.

With office rates below 10% you almost can't justify not doing it. It'll be alright, remembering this is a massing model. Somewhere deep in the dark office of an architect is some updated DD drawings for pricing. Thumbs up! St. Pete is doing some good things.

smiley
January 30th, 2007, 06:30 AM
IT could be a massing model or it could be a glass box - there is no lack of glass boxes - oh, but the angled wall makes it art . . .or maybe they will put a river rock pool deck on the facade like Progress Energy . . .

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 07:01 AM
lolololol

Jahi98
January 30th, 2007, 04:23 PM
I'm excited for another tall office building downtown that has a strong likelihood of getting built. I sincerely hope it will look much better than the building in that so-called rendering.

Jasonhouse
January 30th, 2007, 10:34 PM
strong likelihood is an understatement if you ask me.

MMH
January 31st, 2007, 01:24 AM
I don't know of any major city in the state(perhaps even the Southeast), that has office high rises being built, or even proposed. St.Pete continues to amaze.

miami has 5 or 6 office buildings under construction alot of office mixed condos as well and many proposed ones too.

FloridaFuture
January 31st, 2007, 01:40 AM
I don't know of any major city in the state(perhaps even the Southeast), that has office high rises being built, or even proposed.

Hillsborough River Tower.:nuts: :jk:

tampamobster21
January 31st, 2007, 06:20 AM
I wonder now that Commercial will inevitably pick up if the Hillsborough River Tower might get built in a few years. If they could redesign the base that would be great.

TampaMike
February 1st, 2007, 05:50 AM
I wonder now that Commercial will inevitably pick up if the Hillsborough River Tower might get built in a few years. If they could redesign the base that would be great.
huh?

Lakelander
February 1st, 2007, 02:35 PM
Great news for St. Pete. Its come along way since the 80s, when I used to visit that area on a regular basis.

tampamobster21
February 3rd, 2007, 05:46 AM
huh?

What I was saying is that I hope we get new highrise office buildings downtown. Maybe they will finally build the HRT.