DONETSK - Donbass Arena (52,518) - EURO 2012 [Archive]

VelesHomais

February 1st, 2007, 05:58 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Shakhtar.newlogo.png/190px-Shakhtar.newlogo.png
FC Shakhtar Donetsk

4x Champion:
2002, 2005, 2006, 2008

10x Cup Winner:
1961, 1962, 1980, 1983, 1995,
1997, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008

This stadium has received a rating of 5 stars, is of world class and will be among Europe's best.

50,000 seats

Renderings
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/008.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/003.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/004.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/009.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/021.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/003.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_002.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_001.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_005.jpg

Construction:
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_01_07_3/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_01_07_3/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_01_07_3/11.jpg

It will be finished by 2008. This is only one out of many stadiums that are designed and built right now in Ukraine.

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ALL EURO 2012 STADIUMS

Poland, Warsaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552599)
Poland, Gdansk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552658)
Poland, Poznan
Poland, Wroclaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=537376)
Poland, Chorzow (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=598146)
Poland, Krakow

Ukraine, Dnipropetrovsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438751)
Ukraine, Donetsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437698)
Ukraine, Lviv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=613728)
Ukraine, Kyiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872)
Ukraine, Odesa (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=513034)
Ukraine, Kharkiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472943)

Sparks

February 1st, 2007, 08:43 PM

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_005.jpg

That's the Allianz Arena.

Mo Rush

February 1st, 2007, 09:51 PM

really one of the star stadia of 2006..one of my favourites.

daloso

February 1st, 2007, 10:41 PM

It looks like more than 50k.

maly1000

February 1st, 2007, 11:40 PM

Yeap that will be a great stadium AND what's more important Shakhtar is a good team which will succeed in ChL. Such a shame we don't have such a good team in Poland, not to mention the stadiums. There are only 2 big stadiums in building progress (45k and 35k but not so pretty like in Donetsk) and the rest is at planning and... it will stay there :(

The Concerned Potato

February 2nd, 2007, 12:15 AM

seen it before but i really like it!

NavyBlue

February 2nd, 2007, 11:29 AM

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/021.jpg

One thing has always bugged me about this stadium.

Why does the top tier tilt to one side???

SkyLerm

February 3rd, 2007, 02:39 PM

I always be in love wth this stadium :okay:

Inyector

February 4th, 2007, 01:23 AM

Excelente

VelesHomais

February 4th, 2007, 05:59 AM

This is only one of the stadiums under construction in Ukraine at the moment, you can see others here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=11624818#post11624818

One thing has always bugged me about this stadium.

Why does the top tier tilt to one side???

No idea.

Walbanger

February 4th, 2007, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by NavyBlue
One thing has always bugged me about this stadium.

Why does the top tier tilt to one side???

Maybe to maximise seats for concerts?

VelesHomais

March 24th, 2007, 07:44 AM

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/06_03_07_1/13.jpg

EADGBE

March 24th, 2007, 01:21 PM

One thing has always bugged me about this stadium.

Why does the top tier tilt to one side???

I think it's a bit more basic than that. It's most likely just to be an artistic flourish, an aesthetic rather than a practical design feature. Architects love 'signature' features (like the arch at Wembley, or the light panels in the Allianz in Munich). In fairness, when they 'work', like the two examples above, they do add to the iconic nature of the place. In Marketing parlance, the appearance of the place becomes part of its brand, like a logo. You would always associate Coke with the colour red and the white wavy line, just as you're now encouraged to associate Wembley with its arch.

Unfortunately, these things don't always capture the imagination in the way they were intended to and end up looking like pointless jerk-off bits that waste time and money, and may even act as an embarrassing reminder of the designer's inflated and/or misguided ego. A good example may be Montreal's Olympic Stadium with its space-age look and its flawerd retractable fabric roof. I say 'may be' because if the thing hadn't been so expensive (it took 30 years to pay for it) and not flawed in its design and construction (the roof was hardly used because it never worked properly and there have more recently been concerns about the quality of the concrete), it may have been thought of much more positively. Instead, its distinctiveness worked against it. It's design orginality symbolised a misguided over-ambitious obsession with form over function.
http://www.dam.brown.edu/people/glin/Trip_in_Canada/postcards/montreal/Olympic-stadium.jpg

Of course, the thing about aesthetics is that it is entirely subjective, so you're never going to get everyone to agree that a particular feature is a 'good' thing or not. Often, history and pride is used to further cloud the issue. A good example of that would be Croke Park in Dublin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Croke_park_seating.jpg/300px-Croke_park_seating.jpg
In 1913 Croke Park had two stands on what is now known as the Hogan stand side and grassy banks all round. In 1917 the rubble from the Easter Rising in 1916 was used to construct a grassy hill on the railway end of Croke Park to afford patrons a better view of the pitch which by now hosted all major football and hurling matches. Immortalised as Hill 16 it is perhaps one of the most famous terraces in the world. (Wikipedia)

To an English stadium aesthete like me, the open terrace at Croke Park may seem like a messy afterthought to a fantastic 3-sided stadium. Even the practical difficulties of an adjacent train line and housing are not necessarily impediments to 'closing' the bowl. However, throw in a bit of powerful historical reference like the Easter Rising rubble used in the construction of Hill 16 and suddenly, it's almost like an Irish national monument. There's almost no way it'll be developed over now.

To a lesser extent, the same 'historical reference' argument will be made about the new Anfield. The current (under review) design has essentially a 2-tier 'large Reebok' motif, but the ends are ostensibly a large single tribune, in reference to the Kop, the most famous part of the Anfield ground it will replace. This way the new aesthetic, even the new ground, is 'sweetened' in the fans' eyes by the link with tradition.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/liverpool_stanley2.jpg

The fact that you've noticed the 'tilting roof' demonstrates the power the aesthetic has over the visitor - or even the observer.

Personally, I think its intriguing and surprisingly original, for such a simple idea. Part of me thinks that if it were 'level', it could have a greater capacity, but increasingly in the TV age, ultimate size is very rarely a greater consideration than aesthetic value.

I'm looking forward to seeing it when it's finished.

www.sercan.de

March 24th, 2007, 02:13 PM

Must be the old interior
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/016.jpg

new interior?
Because the stands are closer to the pith
http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level3.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level4.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level5.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level6.jpg

http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/today/images/new_shakhtyor/level7.jpg

GNU

March 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM

Great stadium.
Thats surely gonna be the best stadium in eastern Europe.

Irish Blood English Heart

March 24th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Im hoping Poland/Ukraine get 2012, I love visiting Poland would like the chance to get to Ukraine too, I hope they improve transport though before the championships.

Mo Rush

March 24th, 2007, 04:28 PM

why does the roof membrane slant upwards instead of downwards. to create a better atmosphere and reduce noise pollution the sensible thing would be have a downward sloping roof structure.

VelesHomais

March 25th, 2007, 07:11 AM

www.sercan.de, thanks for those additional renders, I haven't seen them before.

Irish Blood English Heart, in terms of city transport, it isn't that bad, three of ukrainian cities will have a fully functioning subway system (Kyiv and Dnipropetrovsk have it already, but Donetsks hasn't opened yet).

matherto

March 25th, 2007, 01:31 PM

Great stadium.
Thats surely gonna be the best stadium in eastern Europe.

presumerably between this and the new one in St. Petersburg

there are some very, very nice stadiums sprouting up, or being planned in Eastern Europe these days

www.sercan.de

March 25th, 2007, 02:05 PM

michał_

March 25th, 2007, 03:22 PM

I may sound just too grouchy, but I don't like it. I mean it is great in terms of size, right. But not when it comes to having "it". The tilted roof makes no impression on me, the stadium reminds me of Spodek Katowice, Poland. And that one is more characteristic in my opinion. http://www.naszslask.pol-media.com/images/galeria/spodek.jpg

As for all the Central/Eastern-European (+Balkans) best stadiums comming up, I would list those (in that order):
1. Gazprom Arena, Skt. Petersburg (http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=75)
2. Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb (http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=92)
3. Arena Bałtycka, Gdansk (http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=57)
4. Shakhtar Stadium, Donieck (http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=74)
plus, we have to wait for what will come out of the national stadium ideas for Warsaw, Bucuresti and Budapest...
The Eastern side of the continent has a lot more work to do than the rest, so there's going to be a lot of movement and the stadium in Donieck may soon become just "one of" instead of "the one".

VelesHomais

March 25th, 2007, 07:38 PM

maly1000

March 25th, 2007, 09:57 PM

I see absolutely no comparison with that old stadium in a picture above.

That is not a stadium, but a sports hall (15 000), but I think it's a thing of beauty, however they should restore and refresh it's look, because it looks a bit "dirty" at daylight.

michał_

March 26th, 2007, 01:51 AM

The tilted roof is far from being a main characteristic feature in Donetsks Shahtar stadium, and I see absolutely no comparison with that old stadium in a picture above.

If I'm not mistaken, the other stadiums listed are available only in ideas and concepts, while this one will be nearing construction in half a year.

And once completed the list will be:
1. Donetsk: Shahtar stadium
2. Arena Bałtycka, Gdansk
3. Gazprom Arena, Skt. Petersburg
4. Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb ( I love Croatia, but Stadiums or Railway stations that look like malls are not my thing )

I'm waiting for your impression of what will be the main characteristic as the stadiums slowly goes up. If not the shape of the roof (and it's influence on the bowl)- then what? I see nothing more specific in the design.

You're right, the stadiums aren't even under construction yet (Maksimir is succesively renovated year after year getting to the shape shown on the design). At least from what I know. But that's why I wrote "comming up" ;)

Agree about the stadium/railway station thing (especially that in Krakow they are building the Opera house looking just like an office building), but I feel Maksimir has a lot more than that. I just really like it- personal thing :)

VelesHomais

March 29th, 2007, 11:32 AM

Video of Donetsk Stadium
-3LdU2227Ds

Yevgeniy276

March 29th, 2007, 01:16 PM

I think it's a bit more basic than that. It's most likely just to be an artistic flourish, an aesthetic rather than a practical design feature.

I don't quite agree with you on this point. As you can read on the Shakhtar homepage the roof is tilting to the south end in order to let enter in a better way the sunlight to the pitch. So it is not only an artistic flourish, but there's an important idea behind this.

EADGBE

March 30th, 2007, 12:12 PM

I don't quite agree with you on this point. As you can read on the Shakhtar homepage the roof is tilting to the south end in order to let enter in a better way the sunlight to the pitch. So it is not only an artistic flourish, but there's an important idea behind this.

A fair point, well made. Of course the fact that the design we're discussing here is so unusual does rather indicate that it is by no means a mandatory method to increase exposure to daylight. I still contend therefore that it is primarily an aesthetic feature (and a very effective one, too) - albeit one that has the added practical benefit of encouraging the best pitch condition.

Obviously, given the choice of any orientation, the tilt would therefore be to the South. I apologise for my ignorance of the climate in Donetsk. Would it be fair to say its seasons are similar to Moscow, but with a more southerly latitude enabling a higher sun?

Having taken your point, I would go as far as saying that any aethestic feature in design that carries absolutely no practical benefit is likely to be superfluous and therefore an example of the kind of misguided ego-driven architecture that I referred to in an earlier post. All good design should give equal consideration to form and function.

I'd say that this stadium certainly does that!

VelesHomais

March 30th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Render of the actual construction process, posted by El Vampiro Ucraniano at Ukrainian subsection.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/donetsk_shakhtar.gif

And latest construction pic. Although looking at the construction pictures, I get the impression that it's not being built as shown on the animated render above. One side is already up to the second level section of seats, while the opposite side has nothing yet. Though I'm no expert on the subject as many of you here appear to be.
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0207/2.jpg

From webcamera
http://webcam.shakhtar.com/video.jpg?1175260688375

VelesHomais

March 30th, 2007, 04:20 PM

A monster crane arrived to Donetsk
22-03-2007 14:11:29

A unique monster crane 72 m in length and 600 tones of maximum capacity was brought to the construction site by the General Contractor Turkish Company ENKA. This crane will be used for assembling of the roof of the new stadium.

The crane dismantled in pieces of course sailed by sea to Ukraine to the port of Mariupol and 24 cargo truck machines (including one which is the base of the crane, as it is movable) brought the details of this monster to Donetsk.

To assemble such a giant it will need several smaller cranes, 6 specialists and a week of work. But when it will be assembled it will be seen from any point of Donetsk.

The length of the main jip boom is 48 m, the overall weight – 495 tones maximum it can lift 600 tones and the maximum velocity is 70 km. Of course it doesn’t have to move that fast around the construction site.

Just to remind, that the roof works will start in the beginning of April 2007 and the roof is planned to be finished in October 2007.

A unique crane for unique roof!
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/cgi-bin/allnews.pl?id=4166

www.sercan.de

March 30th, 2007, 04:23 PM

the render shows only the levels

Kuvvaci

March 30th, 2007, 04:25 PM

wonderful stadium, I feel jealousy

SAKBAZ

March 31st, 2007, 08:38 PM

its nice but it looks like arsenal emirates arena

Red85

March 31st, 2007, 09:59 PM

its nice but it looks like arsenal emirates arena

explain? this is a totaly different design then the emirates or La Luz in Lisboa. by miles this isnt the emirates

www.sercan.de

March 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM

Emirates?
Emirates has got this "laola" 3rd tier like da Luz or Sporting stadium

skaP187

April 3rd, 2007, 03:00 PM

this is a stadium of itself and for sure not a copy of Emirates or Luz.
Not even close my opinion..

Mo Rush

April 3rd, 2007, 07:19 PM

looks like emirates? huh? i dont see emirates in this stadium and im glad about that.

Mo Rush

April 3rd, 2007, 07:21 PM

stadium cost?

skaP187

April 5th, 2007, 04:24 PM

stadium cost?

your very much into money todoy Mo, que pasa?

VelesHomais

April 6th, 2007, 09:22 AM

stadium cost?

250 million euro's I think

Mo Rush

April 6th, 2007, 12:16 PM

250 million euro's I think

Thats quite cheap.

VelesHomais

April 7th, 2007, 01:13 AM

Really? I thought that was incredibly expensive.

skaP187

April 7th, 2007, 10:48 AM

Thats quite cheap.

wages are a bit lower in the Ukraine as in west Europe, but I imagine that is the same in Capetown. WHat are the cost for the capetown stadium then?

dallasburg

April 11th, 2007, 05:15 PM

looks nice... but what are renderings?

Skyman

April 11th, 2007, 10:43 PM

Pretty simple design

VelesHomais

April 12th, 2007, 05:52 AM

looks nice... but what are renderings?

I don't understand your question.

vernon

April 12th, 2007, 07:32 AM

5 star stadium in Ukraine... nice! Donetsk will be able to host a Champions League final once its completed.

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2007, 05:07 AM

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0207/32.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0207/28.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0207/20.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0207/21.jpg

VelesHomais

April 18th, 2007, 11:52 PM

1IJDQc9lHIY

VelesHomais

April 20th, 2007, 10:04 PM

The giant is rising

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/12.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/19.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/21.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/23.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0307/7.jpg

VelesHomais

April 20th, 2007, 10:09 PM

Official project description:

The project to build the new Shakhtar Stadium is a key element of the Clubs strategy to be recognized as one of the leading clubs in European football. It is, therefore, progressing in line with the improved performance of the team in domestic and European competitions and the development of the Clubs Training Camp and Re-habilitation Centre.

The original concept was for a stadium with a capacity of 40,000 seats. That was revised, however, after consideration of a number of issues including UEFAs Guidelines on new stadia design and construction. The Clubs decision was that Shakhtar Stadium should be of iconic design (memorable and unique), that it should be sympathetic to its environment in Leninskiy Komsomol Park and that it should receive UEFA 5-star accreditation with seated accommodation for 50,000 spectators.

Following UEFAs advice, the Stadium has been designed for football with no athletics tracks, allowing the seating decks to be positioned close to the playing surface. This creates a more exciting environment as well as improving spectators viewing positions. The Stadium will have a natural playing surface although the Club has taken account of UEFAs support for artificial surfaces where these meet UEFAs technical standards. Indeed, UEFA has already given approval for Champions League and UEFA Cup ties to be played on approved artificial surfaces.

Twenty-two design proposals were received from a range of architects. From these, one submitted by ArupSport, part of the Ove Arup Group and one of the worlds leading companies in stadium design, was approved by the Clubs President and Supervisory Board. The principal iconic features are the sloping roof from north to south in line with the site, the glass façade providing views into and out of the stadium, and the clear external concourses with no obstructions for visitors on match-days and on non match-days. Internally, the stadium has a classical oval shape, regarded as the optimum for atmosphere and viewing comfort. The Club and its advisers have involved UEFA in the design process and this will continue with the appointment of the general contractor, ENKA Insaat ve Sanayi A.S. (ENKA).

Shakhtar Stadium will be the first stadium in Eastern Europe to be designed and newly constructed in compliance with UEFAs 5-star Guidelines. This, together with the size and complexity of the project gives it pioneer status. This has brought its own problems and the Club has sought to overcome these by calling upon Western advisers for limited periods to determine the key issues of design, cost, programme and general contractor selection.

After a competitive tendering process, the project is moving ahead with ENKA as general contractor. ENKA is the largest construction contractor operating in Russia with a reputation for successfully delivering major projects on time and within budget. It has also completed a number of smaller projects in Ukraine. Currently, it is mobilizing in Donetsk and working on technical matters with its local partner, PromStroiNiiProekt. ArupSport will continue as the Clubs adviser on architectural issues. The Club has appointed the local company Stadion Shakhter Limited as Project Manager, to manage the construction contract with the general contractor and to ensure the projects delivery on time and within budget. Austin Reilly continues as Consultant to the Club on all stadium matters based upon his experience of the design and operation of UEFA 5-star accredited stadia in UK and in Portugal. The Club is confident that this team will deliver the project.

The stadium is due for completion in May 2008. This gives the general contractor a build time of 24 months. This is a fast-track programme but ENKA has researched the issues and is confident it can be achieved. The construction programme shows that, this year, piling and foundation works will start on site in June and continue until the end of the year. Reinforced concrete superstructures and precast works will start in September 2006 and continue through the summer of 2007. Early next year, work will commence on the roof covering and the outer façade. The commissioning and handover is planned for December 2007 until May 2008.

It means that the stadium opening can be celebrated in summer 2008 prior to the start of the new domestic football season. It will allow the players and coaches time to become familiar with the playing surface and the facilities, and the stewards and security staff time to plan and understand the safety features. It will also allow Shakhtar Stadium to host games in the UEFA youth tournament being held in Donbass Region in 2009. Shortly after its opening, the Club will apply to UEFA for Shakhtar Stadium to host one of UEFAs future final ties in the Champions League or UEFA Cup.

The principal concern of those who manage and operate stadia, is the safety of all those in the building no matter their status or role. Shakhtar Stadium has been designed to meet the highest standards of safety complying with Ukrainian law and international best practice. Access routes and turnstile entry points allow the stadium to fill completely in one hour and to evacuate, in an emergency, in eight minutes. Special areas are identified as places of safety for disabled spectators and their companions. The stadium will be controlled on match-days from a Control Room on Level 5 and on non match-days from a Control Room in Basement Level 1. From there, all areas within the stadium and all concourses and external access routes will be visible with uninterrupted coverage on CCTV. The tapes will allow action to be taken by the Clubs stewards and police in the event of any disturbance or illegal activity.

In addition to providing a safe environment, Shakhtar Stadium will also offer guests and supporters, standards of hospitality and comfort consistent with a UEFA 5-star venue. The principal hospitality will be on Levels 4 and 5 with 15 private suites, a restaurant and 2 bar areas in the West Stand, and 3 restaurants and 2 bar areas in the East Stand. There is also the flexibility to convert the East Stand restaurants into lounges or private suites. The main spectator areas will be on Levels 3 and 6/7. Each level will have ample provision of bars, kiosks, washrooms (male, female and disabled) and first aid rooms. The Players Areas will be on Levels 1 and 2 which will also house the facilities for the press, media and photographers.

As with most modern venues, Shakhtar Stadium will have a range of commercial outlets within the building. These will be situated at its southern end along with the main stadium reception and the Clubs administrative offices. The commercial outlets will include a themed café, similar to Manchester Uniteds Red Devils Café. It will be open daily and will attract families visiting the park as well as FC Shakhtar supporters on match-days. A museum / visitor attraction will tell the story of FC Shakhtar, displaying the Clubs trophies and memorabilia as well as a range of sports related games and tests for younger visitors. The Club Shop will contain the usual range of sportswear and Club souvenirs and gifts. Finally, a health club facility is planned. Its role within the Club has yet to be determined.

On non match-days, the Stadium and its range of hospitality rooms will be available for corporate events (meetings, product launches, public announcements, seasonal parties and so on), social occasions (parties and weddings), and music concerts. It will be a modern venue and will seek to attract international conventions, as well as national and regional, events. The stadium will become one of Donetsks principal visitor attractions and income generators.

The project has gone through a difficult period while the international consultants addressed the issues of design, site investigation, planning consents, technical reviews, construction costs and building programme. Clearly, the difference between Western and East European practices and procedures has meant that progress was not as fast as was originally intended. However, a pioneering project will always be subject to such constraints. The Club is now satisfied, however, that the team is in place to move ahead and deliver Shakhtar Stadium, with full UEFA accreditation, in time for the start of the 2008 football season.

Statistics

# At the project peak over 1000 construction workers will be working on the new stadium.

# The total construction site (including mobilization areas) will be 254,907 m2

# The land (including pitch), where the Stadium will be located, is 46,780 m2

# The height of the new stadium will be 51m from pitch level to the top of the roof.

# There will be 227 Toilet rooms :nuts: with 471 WC and 333 Wash Basins in the Stadium.

# Over 120.000 m3 of Concrete will be poured during Construction of the Stadium.

# Approximately 4300 tones of Steel will be used for Construction.

# Approximately 3800 tones of Steel will be used for Roof Steel structure

# Total glazing area is approximately 19.000 m2 in the Stadium.

# The total area of the tires will be approximately 30.000 m2.

# The dimensions of the football field will be 105 m x 68 m, and 7668 m2 natural turf will be used with 2201 m2 synthetic turf in Stadium

damti

April 27th, 2007, 05:33 PM

1IJDQc9lHIY

Hi!!I am curious about this new stadium you guys are building....will it be profitable cause ukraine league isn t so attractive,....what is the average attendance at Shakthar ukraine-league games...are you expecting when stadium is finished to have 50 thousands people on every game or only during champions league,,,,,.i am from croatia so the question is what do you think about srna and his position in your team...when playing for Croatia he is more offensive then in your club...cheers:cheers:

VelesHomais

April 28th, 2007, 08:52 PM

Hi!!I am curious about this new stadium you guys are building....will it be profitable cause ukraine league isn t so attractive,....what is the average attendance at Shakthar ukraine-league games...are you expecting when stadium is finished to have 50 thousands people on every game or only during champions league,,,,,.i am from croatia so the question is what do you think about srna and his position in your team...when playing for Croatia he is more offensive then in your club...cheers:cheers:

Hi!

The average attendance in Donetsk for games such as with Vorskla (an average team from Poltava) is 15.000-25.000, but for games with, for instance, Dynamo Kyiv there's never enough tickets and they are all immediately sold. Football is growing rapidly in Donetsk and in Ukraine as a whole, so it should be profitable.

Srna appears to be a better player when he plays for Croatia, than in Shakhtar Donetsk. But still, a valuable asset to the club.

P.S. Croatia is awesome :banana:

mateunio

April 30th, 2007, 10:44 PM

This is most modern stadium in Estern Europe.
Congratulations from Poland!!

VelesHomais

May 9th, 2007, 03:39 AM

Donetsk 5 star stadium update for April

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/3.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/24.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0407/25.jpg

Construction is ahead of schedule :banana:

IMPÉRIO-BR

May 9th, 2007, 04:18 AM

edit

VelesHomais

June 8th, 2007, 03:28 AM

The star of 2012 is rising

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/5.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/8.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/13.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0507/12.jpg

Mekky II

June 8th, 2007, 12:18 PM

Thats quite cheap.

Hm, the Soccer City of Johannesburg that will host the final of the FIFA World Cup 2010 with a capacity of 94.700 seats will cost ... 154 millions euros. Considering south african GDP (PPP) per capita is nearly twice the ukrainian one, we can say that workers for Soccer City will be much more paid that ukrainian workers, and we can conclude by saying : Soccer City is cheap as hell, and so a south african guy should not say such statement. (But if cheap stadiums in 2010 can help people that have AIDS, it is okay !)

El Vampiro Ucraniano

June 8th, 2007, 08:14 PM

The roof has arrived to the stadium

25 trucks brought the first truss of the roof to the construction site of the new FC Shakhtar’s stadium. This is the first out of 14 main supporting elements of the roof. The main trusses are like rays stretch out from cores to the edge of the pitch and between them MERO space frame structure is located like a net to create a bowl atmosphere. Main trusses are the elements located on the top of the cores and supporting all the roof elements.

Roof cover over all seating is generally expected in modern stadia. Due to the more circular nature of the new FC Shakhtar stadium’s footprint the roof also will be circular and not typical TV shape.

The roof plane will dome slightly front-to-back for drain purposes and have an incline to follow the slope of the landscape and the stadium. This incline also serves both direct sunlight and air penetration to benefit the pitch turf environment. For the same purpose the roof opening and framing it glass elements are included.

All these mentioned considerable complicates the roof structure to make it a unique feature of the new stadium.

Right now the pre-erection of the truss elements on the ground is being carried out and the erection of the first truss on the core will start at the middle of June. The truss weight is 240 tons. It will be installed by the 600 ton crane, which was specially brought to the construction site with this purpose.

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/cgi-bin//allnews.pl?lang=en&id=4682&select_month=&select_year=

El Vampiro Ucraniano

June 22nd, 2007, 08:54 PM

Some new photos.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/3.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/2-3.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/1.jpg

VelesHomais

June 22nd, 2007, 09:11 PM

The Stadium will appear on BBC news

The stadium of FC Shakhtar under construction attracted attention of the largest broadcasting corporation in the World.

The BBC reporter in Ukraine Helen Fawkes visited the construction site to tell the world about the first five star facility in the Eastern Europe.

Helen has been working as reporter for 15 years, 8 of which she spent in BBC global news. Besides UK she covered the news from Russia, Israel, Hungary and the last 3,5 years she spent in Ukraine. Everything that the world sees of Ukraine on BBC is the result of Helen’s work.

She says that she came to Ukraine in the most interesting period of time: “It is so much interesting going on here. First the “orange” revolution that the “blue” one. I got the news that Ukraine won the EURO 2012 while I was in studio reporting on latest political situation. I could not believe my ears!”

She came together with producer Daria Khabarova from Kiev office of the BBC World Service, where she is working from 2003 and the head video operator Pavel Muravyov, who is with BBC from 2004 and also making videos for Associated Press and France Press.

The journalists were impressed with the atmosphere at the construction site of the stadium: “Everything is so Western style here. Usually in Ukraine you have to drink three cups of coffee and have an hour’s talk about life before you are allowed to start. Here everything organized so well, you can see that people appreciate time, their own and other’s”.

The report on the construction of the FC Shakhtar’s stadium in Donetsk will be on the news on BBC World at the end of June.

MasEl

June 23rd, 2007, 08:32 AM

Hey there fellow ukrainians! Request from Poland...slow down a little bit ;) If we don't make it on time with stadiums and infrastructure whole event will take place in Ukraine :lol: Anyway you will have really great modern and functional stadiums but their design is rather simple...comparing to Baltic Arena for example ;)

BTW:
"Everything is so Western style here" :lol: I mean...what she expected - naked slaves and mules??

"Usually in Ukraine you have to drink three cups of coffee and have an hour’s talk about life before you are allowed to start" - Usually in Great Britain you have to kiss Queen a*s before you are allowed to start :lol: noo I'm just kidding :cheers:

VelesHomais

June 23rd, 2007, 08:34 AM

Baltic Arena is nice, but can't really compare to Donetsk stadium ;)

MasEl

June 23rd, 2007, 08:44 AM

Saddly what you said it's truth ;) Anyway - good for us :cheers: Euro is another great reason to visit beautiful Ukraine :okay:

www.sercan.de

June 23rd, 2007, 11:47 AM

Are you happy with the turkish ENKA?
Maybe they will bid for the conctruction of the new Galatasaray stadium

z00ey

June 23rd, 2007, 03:17 PM

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/016.jpg

The stadium is really nice, but I can't help noticing the possible safety (evac) issues, as well as comfort issues on the lowest tier:

the whole lower tier (and I've counted cca 22-24 rows) is filled from the entrance promenade, meaning that you enter on the 22nd row and go down all the way.

for evacuation, you can go only the other way. this gives no other exit but that one. The same applies to the other tiers, but their exits are at least situated in the middle of the tiers, and also probably allow evac towards their upper promenades, gioving a secondary exit possibility

of course, one could say that in case of emergency the lower tier can be evacuated towards the pitch - but the pitch seems to have only 2 major exits vomitories, and they are situated only on one side (looks like west)

also, bear in mind that the lowest figure for evac is 0,2cm per person of exit width - with 22 rows of average 800 persons in the lower tier it gives an estimate of 17.600 occupancy, resulting in AT LEAST 35 meters of exits... now if there's a concert, you'll also have cca 8-10k persons in the pitch, and there no way out for them, let alone together with the lower tier

I just can't see those exits, Mr Arup...

If I go to a game there, belive me, I won't buy a lower tier ticket.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

June 23rd, 2007, 04:58 PM

VelesHomais

June 23rd, 2007, 06:15 PM

Are you happy with the turkish ENKA?
Maybe they will bid for the conctruction of the new Galatasaray stadium

Yes, I hope that they will also build the new Kyiv stadium.

Benn

June 23rd, 2007, 08:13 PM

Safety issues would be the least of my concerns, being 24 rows from isn't a big deal, especially with how shallow the pitch of the lower bowl is. Sightlines from the lower level is what I would most worried about (it looks like the lower tier at the Emirates). If your at the Metrodome (what I am most used to) in Minneapolis the lower bowl goes back 36 rows (with the stands starting 5ft above field level), the upper level 31 up from the alcoves and have never thought of as unsafe in any way. I wouldn't feel unsafe at Michigan stadium where the stands extend about 72 rows down from the alcoves. I just don't see the safety issue at all. If these stadiums need to be evacuated for any reason it can be done fairy quickly, especially from the lower level. The chances of something going seriously wrong during a sporting event (especially in modern designs like this with lots of exits) isn't very high anyway, its like saying won't get on an airplane because its unsafe, or I wont get into a car becacuse the chance of getting killed is like 10,000 times greater than at a stadium.

Nice look to though, both inside and out.

TwItCH

June 23rd, 2007, 10:38 PM

I really dislike this stadium, looks cheap. But at least its being built(....arhhm...POLAND)

Oekraїne

June 24th, 2007, 01:18 AM

^^ If 270ml euro is cheap then yes you are right.

TwItCH

June 24th, 2007, 04:41 AM

I didn't say it is cheap, I said it looks cheap. And out of all the websites I've checked it was most expensive on wikipedia with 250 mil $ not euros.

LMCA1990

June 24th, 2007, 05:09 AM

This is an awesome stadium. will it have a movable ceiling to cover the open section of the roof?

VelesHomais

June 24th, 2007, 08:25 AM

I really dislike this stadium, looks cheap. But at least its being built(....arhhm...POLAND)

Maybe if you're out of your mind it does look cheap ;)

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_002.jpg

delfin_pl

June 24th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Baltic (Amber) Arena

KM4VwFmUCQc

michał_

June 24th, 2007, 05:08 PM

I really dislike this stadium, looks cheap. But at least its being built(....arhhm...POLAND)

I wonder why you expect people to start building something when designs aren't chosen yet... Donetsk is not building the stadium specifically for Euro, they would have done it anyway.

Oh yes it does look cheap- but not everybody needs to build "classy looking" stadiums. In my opinion it is better than ANY stadium built or planned in the US- these are simply kitsch. And Donetsk, as much as it doesn't look too glorious, is quite different then anything else. Setting new standards in number of tiers (Dallas Cowboys, Arizona Cardinals- construction well exagerrated compared to capacity) and general construction size is nothing to look up to.

Dr. Mesofius- I honestly think Arena Baltycka will be far more attractive visually than Szachtar's stadium, but it's a personal taste matter (I didn't go for it because of my nationality, it could be some other stadium).

Benn

June 24th, 2007, 05:54 PM

I wouldn't say it looks cheap at all, a little boring from the inside, but not cheap. The imbalance of the upper tier adds a little visual interest (as well as sightlines and probably acoustics for concerts), as does the legitimately elliptical roof. Its got the clean modern lines you'd expect (and maybe are getting sick of) but it has a somewhat unique look to it. The only knock I have on it is how shallow the lower tier appears to be, outside of that its a solid design inside (especially for large concerts) and out.

VelesHomais

July 3rd, 2007, 02:10 AM

All these comments about how its not a super attractive arena are rather humoorous, as this will be one of the best stadiums in the world and the best in eastern Europe for many decades. Unless, of course, Dynamo Kyiv FC decides to stick it to Shahtar Donetsk FC by building a better arena in Kyiv.

Time for recent construction pics
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/6.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0607/2.jpg

michał_

July 3rd, 2007, 12:57 PM

Sorry for the OT, but since you mentionned Kijow- have you seen the proposed design for their design? I mean was it official? It was around 30k, rectangular shape and all stands covered.

VelesHomais

July 4th, 2007, 12:53 AM

No, I haven't. Noone from the ukrainian section here has seen it yet, it wasn't published, only the location was approved just recently. You are probably thinking about renovated Lobanovsky stadium in Kyiv, it has nothing to do with Euro 2012. There are many stadiums in the capital.

masterpaul

July 4th, 2007, 01:49 AM

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 4th, 2007, 02:38 AM

Bah, there will atleast 2 other 5star stadiums from poland.

But we have to wait and see which project win the competition for the nation stadium of poland.

Isnt one those stadiums in ukraine soppsed to have a shopping center inside them?

It’s just getting better,:) by the way which stadiums are going to be 5-star, as far as I know UEFA requirement for a 5-Star venue is 50 000 and in Poland only one stadium is planned to have capacity larger than that, Warsaw, but I did not know that it is going to be a 5-Star. As for second, Poznan. It is still an unapproved concept. Although it would be nice to have few 5-Star venues for Euro.:)

masterpaul

July 4th, 2007, 02:46 AM

Stadion Slaski is the secound one.... its a reserve venue.

http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=58

About Warsaw National Stadium... the requirments for the competition is that the project applied for the competion must meet all requirements for a 5 star stadium.

Warsaw has promised us a stadium which will be one of the best in the world.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 4th, 2007, 03:55 AM

By the way, how is the stadium going to be used after Euro? I mean Legia is building it's own venue, and there is no other club in Warsaw that is even remotely capable of filling up such a stadium.

masterpaul

July 4th, 2007, 11:17 AM

concerts... motocycle races... athletics... football matches

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 4th, 2007, 11:58 AM

concerts... motocycle races... athletics... football matches

I thought it would be a football only venue, without race tracks.

michał_

July 4th, 2007, 06:02 PM

Unfrotunatelly, it will have a race-track.

Masterpaul- what are you talking about?! There are almost no chances of a 4/5 star rating for Chorzow's Slaski Stadium...

VelesHomais

July 4th, 2007, 06:30 PM

Unfrotunatelly, it will have a race-track.

:(

VelesHomais

July 11th, 2007, 09:49 PM

http://shakhtar.com/icons/shakhtar/foto/news/9586_02-07-07_n_max.jpg

Roof to be installed soon
02-07-2007 16:04:50

Last Friday they started to erect the roof trusses at the new 5-star Stadium. The works began in the southern part of the arena where the first, 55-meter long and 240-tones heavy, truss was installed.

Leonid Steblyanko, the structural engineer, told shakhtar.com that installation of this very truss demands more time and efforts than the next ones. All in all there will be 12 trusses fixed on stiffening cores: four twin and eight single ones.

Once tubular structural elements (one such block weighs about 100 tones) are installed between the main trusses, purlins will be mounted upon the upper parts of main trusses. Roof elements will be fixed on them.

It would be interesting to know, that in the southern part of the stadium, the roof cover will be 20 meters wide which will provide the pitch with sufficient amount of daylight.

As you know, the roof for the stadium was designed by the German company MERO. Technically seen, installing the roof is the most difficult job in a stadium construction or reconstruction process.

FC Shakhtar Press department

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 18th, 2007, 04:11 PM

Few photos

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/2.jpg

VelesHomais

July 18th, 2007, 08:03 PM

I'll add a couple more

Roof installation
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/9.jpg

Last unbuilt side begins construction
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/12.jpg

First piece of the roof installed
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/10.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/21.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/27.jpg

VelesHomais

July 18th, 2007, 08:04 PM

Finally fresh update from Donetsk

Roof installation
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/9.jpg

Last unbuilt side begins construction
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/12.jpg

First piece of the roof installed
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/10.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/21.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_07_07_3/27.jpg

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 19th, 2007, 12:43 AM

It is going to be an amazing stadium, by far the best in Eastern Europe. :)

VelesHomais

July 19th, 2007, 02:45 AM

We'll see what kind of stadium Kyiv will build ;)

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 19th, 2007, 04:04 AM

^^ True, Kyiv defenetly can put on a competition, it will have many investors and and both Dynamo and Arsenal need a modern ground.

tanzirian

July 19th, 2007, 06:29 AM

Simple but attractive design. Good for Ukraine.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 24th, 2007, 07:27 PM

Some Nice Photos :banana:

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/24_07_07/5.jpg

I will also post a video later...

El Vampiro Ucraniano

July 24th, 2007, 07:51 PM

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/th_0fa06ff5.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/?action=view&current=0fa06ff5.flv)

plasticterminator

July 26th, 2007, 01:39 PM

We'll see what kind of stadium Kyiv will build ;)

HI Dr Mesofius, are there any firm plans for Kiev? Will they re develop the existing stadium or make a new one and if so will it be located on the same site?
Also do you know when Dnipro will start to play in their new stadium, are there any latest photos you can post on the Dnipro thread?
Thanks.

VelesHomais

July 26th, 2007, 05:02 PM

There will be a new stadium in a new place in Kyiv, the land has been selected. It will have capacity of 60 000.

The Dnipro stadium will open in one month, they will then place a friendly with some German team. The latest pictures available are always posted here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438751&page=2

Xelebes

July 27th, 2007, 05:11 AM

Those are some purrty stadiums. :)

VelesHomais

August 2nd, 2007, 04:40 PM

Maybe a week old pictures.

The stadium is closing in
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/3.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/6.jpg

The only part of the roof currently standing
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/7.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/12.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/14.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/17.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/18.jpg

The greatest construction sight of this city...ever :)
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0707/8.jpg

SeViNiYo

August 3rd, 2007, 02:13 AM

nice stadiums

VelesHomais

September 2nd, 2007, 07:50 AM

By DrPass
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/DrPass/Donetsk2007/P9010016.jpg

skaP187

September 2nd, 2007, 08:15 AM

Is it me, or is this stadium taking a long time to be constructed?
Just want to see it finished I guess, I like the design and now I want to see the real thing...

El Vampiro Ucraniano

September 2nd, 2007, 04:37 PM

^^ To be honest the construction started only last summer and is planned to be finished by May 2008. So fo a 50k 5-star stadium it's not long at all. :)

Few more pictures.

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_08_07/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_08_07/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/31_08_07/5.jpg

VelesHomais

September 3rd, 2007, 09:17 PM

Already looking enormous and beautiful
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/16.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/12.jpg

closing in on the other side too
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0807/1.jpg

The second truss of the roof is installed at the construction of the new Shakhtar’s stadium. The third one is assembled on the ground and prepared for installation, and other five arrived to the port of Mariupol.

There are 12 trusses in total will be used for the roof. 4 of them are wide trusses, they approximately 1,5 times wider then the others and weigh almost 350 tons, whereas narrow trusses weigh 250. One of the wide double trusses is assembled on the ground and prepared for installation. Wide trusses will be installed on top of double cores which separate north, ease, south and west sections from each other.

After the second truss installed the space frame section of Mero will be lifted up to be installed between these two trusses. The first element of this light and elegant net structure can be seen ready to go at the construction site.

On the top of space frame the beams will be installed, then the noise isolation and aluminum roof cover also manufactured by the German company – Interfalz. The color of aluminum plates is silver metal. The inside circle will be glass.

The speakers for sound system will be mounted on the roof elements. The pitch and spectators’ stands lighting will be fixes to the inside edge of the roof, and outside edge will carry outside building lighting.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

September 14th, 2007, 08:13 PM

1st segment of the roof has been installed. :)

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/11.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/13_09_07/12.jpg

masterpaul

September 14th, 2007, 10:12 PM

Actually all of the stadiums are going to b 4-stars except for the olympic stadium. Because of the new FIFA regulations. That 5 star stadiums must have a minimum capility of 70,000

michał_

September 14th, 2007, 10:19 PM

Sadly, not all. Krakow and Dniepropietrowsk are too small...

VelesHomais

September 14th, 2007, 10:22 PM

On the web-site it says its a 5 star fifa approved arena.

michał_

September 14th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Just like Lansdowne Road had 5 and Legia Stadium 4, both before construction begun... but UEFA has abandoned the stars at all.

masterpaul

September 14th, 2007, 10:29 PM

Just like Lansdowne Road had 5 and Legia Stadium 4, both before construction begun... but UEFA has abandoned the stars at all.

??? Makes no sense

michał_

September 14th, 2007, 10:50 PM

??? Makes no sense

And why?

masterpaul

September 14th, 2007, 10:53 PM

but UEFA has abandoned the stars at all.

I just didn't get what you said.

michał_

September 14th, 2007, 11:03 PM

FIFA doesn't give stars anymore and that's it. The previous lists don't count and there are no stars now. A stadium has to be of Elite category + fulfill all requirements specified for each cup. But there is no name for it, at least not now. But they wrote me they are working on it and that new list will be published next year. Maybe then a new symbol to distinguish adequate stadiums will be introduced? I don't know. They just told me the whole system is not used anymore.

Aka

September 15th, 2007, 02:29 AM

FIFA? It's UEFA who gives the 4 or 5 stars, not FIFA! And if they raise it from 50.000 to 70.000.... then the only new stadiums in the world to be on that list would be Wembley and Stade de France.

michał_

September 15th, 2007, 03:15 AM

FIFA? It's UEFA who gives the 4 or 5 stars, not FIFA! And if they raise it from 50.000 to 70.000.... then the only new stadiums in the world to be on that list would be Wembley and Stade de France.

Well, you caught me on having written wrong letters, then your triumph is well understood. After all, that's decisive. And I could swear you read what I wrote before and wouldn't make too much of a fuss about one slip of fingers on my keyboard...

Anyway- your definition of young is pretty relevant. Sevilla's Olympic Stadium was inaugurated a year after Stade de France and you already didn't count it in... But the previous 5 star stadium list showed that it's not the "youngness" of a stadium that gets it on the list. So why making a big deal of it?

Dr. Mesofius- sorry for interrupting this thread, I won't write here about that any more.

VelesHomais

September 15th, 2007, 04:22 AM

No worries, mate. The more attention, the better.

masterpaul

September 15th, 2007, 12:45 PM

Olympic stadium in Greece is new.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

September 29th, 2007, 03:52 PM

Update 28.09

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_09_07_1/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_09_07_1/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_09_07_1/17.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_09_07_1/15.jpg

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/mpl/allnews.pl?id=5657

MoreOrLess

September 30th, 2007, 04:29 PM

Good to see the Ukrianians are going to have alot of the euro 2012 stadiums finished years before the event. The main negative about euro 2004 for me wasnt the stadiums which were mostly exellent but rather the devolpment/organisation around them. Places like the Drago and the Luz were surounded by building sites and elsewhere it seemed like there was alot of inexperience dealing with big crowds. I'd guess with a few years of games taking place beforehand thats much less likey to be a problem in Donetsk.

plasticterminator

September 30th, 2007, 08:55 PM

It will have already hosted the Uefa cup final by then, and hosted the champions of Ukraine 4 years running, and 2009 champions league final winners.

Kuvvaci

September 30th, 2007, 09:53 PM

it really will be one of the bests of europe

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_001.jpg

www.sercan.de

October 1st, 2007, 04:59 PM

still do not believe its "only" 50.000
Looks more like 60.000 to me
at leats 55.000

shahe

October 2nd, 2007, 11:40 PM

One thing has always bugged me about this stadium.

Why does the top tier tilt to one side???

im guessing it is because that is the home side for the second half of football. this way more fans get to see their team score.

El Vampiro Ucraniano

October 17th, 2007, 11:28 PM

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/13.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/20.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/17_10_07_2/21.jpg

More of roof..

Chicagoflo

October 20th, 2007, 10:29 PM

Looks great but it doesn't look like a 50ker...

VelesHomais

October 20th, 2007, 10:41 PM

Yeah, it looks much larger. Which I would say is definitely a positive thing.
http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/imgbuild/0907/11.jpg

Aka

October 21st, 2007, 12:48 AM

Actually it does look smaller. But that doesn't really matter.

TwItCH

October 21st, 2007, 05:21 AM

looking good.:cheers:

Chimaera

October 21st, 2007, 04:01 PM

im guessing it is because that is the home side for the second half of football. this way more fans get to see their team score.I found this on the official site:

"The roof slopes in the South East direction following the incline of the land and giving the pitch additional penetration of air and direct sun light."

damti

October 26th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Hi,just wanted ask about the stadium in KIev,cause i heard that the OLympic stadium ´ll not be used.Is Dynamo Kiev building a new one,like Donjetck?

Chimaera

October 26th, 2007, 03:49 PM

Hi,just wanted ask about the stadium in KIev,cause i heard that the OLympic stadium ´ll not be used.Is Dynamo Kiev building a new one,like Donjetck?All I heard is that the Olympic Stadium will get an upgrade for Euro 2012. That is also the information on uefa.com.

Chimaera

October 26th, 2007, 03:58 PM

Hi,just wanted ask about the stadium in KIev,cause i heard that the OLympic stadium ´ll not be used.Is Dynamo Kiev building a new one,like Donjetck?Check these topics:

EURO 2012: Olympic Stadium, Kyiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872)

Poland-Ukraine to host Euro 2012!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=464544)

UEFA Euro 2012 Bids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=451274)

El Vampiro Ucraniano

October 26th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Olympic stadium is in question at the moment... There is a chance that it will not hold any matches... But a new 60k stadium will be built in Kyiv, regardless of the situation with Olimpiyskyi. Presently it is not certain wether new stadium will be a Dynamo one, however they also expressed an interest in construction of the new arena... Also, Arsenal Kyiv was purchased by a wealthy oligarh and he also announced a plan for new arena... Kyiv actualy has 4 professional teams and 3 of them are financialy capable of building a stadium on their own... so it might be a joint owned...

Second City

October 26th, 2007, 11:31 PM

Nice!

El Vampiro Ucraniano

October 28th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Possibly the best roof in Europe is coming nicely...

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/9.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/18.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/23.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/25_10_07_3/24.jpg

matherto

October 28th, 2007, 09:55 PM

Very nicely indeed.

lpioe

January 15th, 2008, 11:43 PM

Relax, photos from Donetsk Stadium construction 11.1.08

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/1.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/2.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/3.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/4.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/5.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/6.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/7.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/8.jpg

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/11_01_08/9.jpg

Great stadium.

Tarzan

January 17th, 2008, 09:08 PM

The stadium looks great, the design looks a bit like a classic olympic stadium. I love it!

railcity

January 18th, 2008, 05:42 AM

still do not believe its "only" 50.000
Looks more like 60.000 to me
at leats 55.000

The stadium is wide in size, has 3 stands and a massive roof, but the stands themselves are not very big (not a lot of rows). That's why it's "only" 50'000. E.g. the third stand is quite small, and there is quite a big gap between 2nd and 3rd stand. With only two stands, the roof etc. could have been much smaller and the whole stadium a lot cheaper. So, it's visible that for this stadium, representation was a higher priority than economic use of resources.

Dallasbrink

January 18th, 2008, 05:43 AM

it really will be one of the bests of europe

http://newstadium.shakhtar.com/img/i/s_001.jpg

its a UFO! very cool

damti

January 18th, 2008, 03:12 PM

damti

January 18th, 2008, 03:31 PM

Is there a posibbility that this stadium ,after being done,become a white elephant??
18.467-that s the avarage attendance,26,000-highest...for 2007.
I suppose European games want be a problem,eventhough Shaktar failed to qoualify for the next round of CL.,but what whit national league?

lpioe

January 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM

^^ current capacity is about 26'000.
I don't think the new stadium will sell out every week but the attendance will surely rise quite dramatically. If I remember correctly the current stadium has no roof and athletic tracks.

michał_

January 19th, 2008, 12:29 AM

Any information on ticket pricing policy? As far as I remember tickets for Szachtar were incredibly cheap.

SkyLerm

January 19th, 2008, 01:46 AM

The stadium is already looking good, what a wonder! :drool:

El Vampiro Ucraniano

January 28th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Construction Update: January 2008. (Posted by wombato)

They started doing the cladding! :banana:

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/1.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/2.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/3.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/4.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/5.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/6.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/7.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/8.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/9.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/10.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/11.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/news/28_01_08_1/12.jpg

muniek100

January 28th, 2008, 02:35 PM

It's going to be a great stadium! Congratulation!

veronika

February 9th, 2008, 04:25 PM

Does anyone from Ukraine know when the stadium will be finished.I heard it s planned on May and also that there would be a opening (first) match between Shahktar and some famous european giant??
Will Ukraine play their home matches in quali. for WC 2010 in Donjetsk?As I am from Croatia and as my country is playing on June 2009 in Ukraine,i would be glad to visit new arena...

The original stadium construction plan is delayed by at least three months which means it is likely to open in September 2008 although this is speculation as even the stadium contractor could not tell you when it wil open. Because the season will be in full flow it is less likely that a full suqad from a top team will turn out. Besides one of first matches will be Champions league anyway and therefore it could quite easily be a Real Madrid or a Man u playing there officially!
As for Ukraine playing any national team games it all depends on the situation with other stadia-at some stage Kiev will have to close down, but Ukraine might play in Karkhiv or even Dnipro. However one thing is fo sure the stadium will be open in June 2009!

Axelferis

February 9th, 2008, 04:36 PM

its a UFO! very cool

IMO it's not the best! Wembley is still n°1 and fure Zenit St petersburg is truly amazing!!!!

earth intruder

February 9th, 2008, 10:02 PM

those glass looks really nice! it's gonna be beautiful :)

VelesHomais

February 9th, 2008, 10:58 PM

IMO it's not the best! Wembley is still n°1 and fure Zenit St petersburg is truly amazing!!!!

No, it's the new best arena in the world.

veronika

February 10th, 2008, 01:17 PM

There are many beautfully asthetic stadiums particularly at night now the trend for external lighting features seems to be all the rage although of course this serves no practical function whatsoever for stadium operation. It is a matter of taste. If you analyse the hell out of a stadium for all its function cost etc, then I am afraid Wembley is way down the list because its cost was quite simply ridiculous when compared with other stadia even taking into account the larger capacity .
Donetsk in my opinion is one of the most beautiful at night, its also a highly practical and functional design. Zenit as you say will also be awesome but is only at foundation stage yet so difficult to get a feel for how it will look.

Axelferis

February 10th, 2008, 03:18 PM

No, it's the new best arena in the world.

Sorry for you but Wembley still the n°1 . nice attempt . :tongue:

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 10th, 2008, 03:20 PM

Sorry for you but Wembley still the n°1 . nice attempt . :tongue:

What is so special about wembley? The fact that it costed twice the planned sum? Or the fact that it was finished a year later?

Red85

February 10th, 2008, 04:42 PM

What is so special about wembley? The fact that it costed twice the planned sum? Or the fact that it was finished a year later?

what has that to do with the beauty of the stadium? tell me

masterpaul

February 10th, 2008, 09:44 PM

Wembly is not beautifull, its medicore, from the ouyside

Sponsor

February 10th, 2008, 09:53 PM

What is so special about wembley? The fact that it costed twice the planned sum? Or the fact that it was finished a year later?

Nothing, it's just 90k capacity, very big, modern and beautifull arena. Average stadium.

Axelferis

February 10th, 2008, 10:22 PM

Wembly is not beautifull, its medicore, from the ouyside

Just the best in the world :okay:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8001/wem3mt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4801/wem2dj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

(taken from another topic)

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 10th, 2008, 10:53 PM

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 10th, 2008, 11:08 PM

http://shakhtar.com/fc/foto/ns/21_10_05/022.jpg

By the way look at the seats at Donbass Arena, and compare it to Wembley...:)

Axelferis

February 11th, 2008, 12:11 AM

Well from engineering point it is lousy... The roof needed an additional structure to support it, arch creates disturbing shadows, evacuation system is not planned well, thus it is not a five star venue... General design looks as if it was built to fit around the bowl. Roof engineering is possibly the worst in the world. Support structures are uneven and segments above the screens look as they were fitted in between side ones.

Screen positioning is terrible, instead of situating them on roof edges closer to opposite stands (great example, Amsterdam Arena) the screens are in the middle of a stand, which pushes back about 10 rows of seats… Clearly when designing Wembley capacity was priority instead of comfort of viewing and enjoying the game.

False! false! false!! I don't share at all!!!!

Wembley isthe perfect example of what is the 21st century renaissance of stadium!!!

i don't like the position of screens but they have a special place in the stadium just thought for it!!
The arch is a superb piece of design and when you watch a match on tv, there a plan at mid-time which show a uncomparable plan on the tribunes+arch!! Only Wembley can do this! :okay:

Donest is a normal stadium! Nothing revolutionary,nothing new,nothing never seen before! If i haveto choose an example of a stadium today, i wouldn't choose donestk!

Wembley,Stade de rance,Allianz arena, Dragao porto!! Sorry for you but donesk=Nice normal stadium
Look at Durban stadium :tongue: This is what Donesk don't !

veronika

February 11th, 2008, 01:00 PM

El Vampiro how do you know new name of stadium it is secret?

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 11th, 2008, 06:53 PM

El Vampiro how do you know new name of stadium it is secret?

No, when a new club brand of Shakhtar was presented the stadium name was unveiled...

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 11th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Wembley,Stade de rance,Allianz arena, Dragao porto!! Sorry for you but donesk=Nice normal stadium
Look at Durban stadium :tongue: This is what Donesk don't !

Obviously you and i have different views and tastes regarding stadiums... Allianz, yes beautifull arena, But Stade de France? Or Dragao in Lisbon? It is one of the worst stadiums ever... Stade de France was built 10 years ago, so at th moment it is no longer revolutuonary. Dragao is horrible, look at Da Luz or even Jose Alvalade... The single tiers of Dragao kill the magic.

www.sercan.de

February 11th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Whats Donbass`?

veronika

February 11th, 2008, 08:01 PM

Donets Basin, also known as Donbass or Donbas (Ukrainian: Донецький басейн, usually abbreviated to Донбас; translit. Donetsky basein or Donbas; Russian: Донецкий бассейн, likewise usually shortened to Донбасс; translit. Donetskiy bassein or Donbass), is a historical, economic and cultural region located on the territory of present-day Ukraine.

It combines two oblasts (provinces) in the east of the country: northern and central part of Donetsk Oblast (sothern part belongs to Pryazovia) and southern part of Luhansk Oblast (northern part belongs to Slobozhanschyna). The city of Donetsk is considered the unofficial capital of Donbass.

The name of the region originates from the coal-field discovered in late 19th century which was named after the Donets river flowing across the region.

In 1676, the first town of the Donbass emerged: Solanoye (now Slavyansk) which was built for the high-profit business of extracting newly-discovered rock-salt reserves. In 1721, vast and rich coal fields were found, which started the "industrial boom" which led to the flourish of the region in 18th–first half of 20th century.

Donbass may sometimes be refer to a larger supranational region also consisting a part of neighbouring Rostov Oblast in Russia. This is explained by the fact that Donets' coal basin geographically extends to that area (also specializing in coal mining), which sometimes called a "Russian Donbass". But lesser economical and, most of all, sociopolitical significance of that Russian area (compared with the Ukrainian part) leads to gradual abandonment of such generic usage of the Donbass term.

However in the case of Donetsk new stadium it is commercial name used in that region, such as Donbass palace hotel and donbass air. Of course donbass palace hotel has very close links with new stadium as it is owned by same person!

Axelferis

February 11th, 2008, 09:13 PM

Obviously you and i have different views and tastes regarding stadiums... Allianz, yes beautifull arena, But Stade de France? Or Dragao in Lisbon? It is one of the worst stadiums ever... Stade de France was built 10 years ago, so at th moment it is no longer revolutuonary. Dragao is horrible, look at Da Luz or even Jose Alvalade... The single tiers of Dragao kill the magic.

i prefer smile when i read your post.. :wave:

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 11th, 2008, 11:32 PM

i prefer smile when i read your post.. :wave:

I guess we have to agree to disagree.:)

Axelferis

February 12th, 2008, 12:02 AM

You are a liitle too much "proud" of your stadium. Wembley is much better!!

Bandera

February 12th, 2008, 12:15 AM

You are a liitle too much "proud" of your stadium. Wembley is much better!!

Listen Einstein if you think that Wembley is better stadium then good for you! Other people have different tastes and prefer the design of the stadium not the price!

Axelferis

February 12th, 2008, 12:20 AM

ok ok! when read smeone saying it 's one of the worst design (wembley) can you agree with him ?? I'm sorry but donesk is good design but not the better seen!

I can't even rate it among the 10 best stadiums in the world or europe...
It's just my advice :)

Bandera

February 12th, 2008, 04:18 AM

Aka

February 12th, 2008, 04:59 AM

Or Dragao in Lisbon?

Say what? :D

Axelferis

February 12th, 2008, 01:50 PM

Yes personaly i think that the desing of wambley is crap! The money they spend on him it should be way better. Youre problem is that you like older stadiums and not the modern ones thats why you probably dont like Donetsk stadium and prefer wambley!

Wembley is new!! what are you saying?? Wembley is modern stadium. What donesk has to be more modern??? :nuts:

michał_

February 12th, 2008, 02:35 PM

False! false! false!! I don't share at all!!!!

Wembley isthe perfect example of what is the 21st century renaissance of stadium!!!

i don't like the position of screens but they have a special place in the stadium just thought for it!!
The arch is a superb piece of design and when you watch a match on tv, there a plan at mid-time which show a uncomparable plan on the tribunes+arch!! Only Wembley can do this! :okay:

Donest is a normal stadium! Nothing revolutionary,nothing new,nothing never seen before! If i haveto choose an example of a stadium today, i wouldn't choose donestk!

Wembley,Stade de rance,Allianz arena, Dragao porto!! Sorry for you but donesk=Nice normal stadium
Look at Durban stadium :tongue: This is what Donesk don't !

Are you serious? :)

So the quality of a stadium is judged only by the fireworks like huge arches?
Wembley turned out to be one of the biggest dissapointments of England- ask the English! It's far from genius, the design is rubbish, only the arch makes any effect. Actually to make it profitable everything at Wembley is expensive, which makes some fans go crazy.

I also don't like Donetsk (you could learn how to write it with respect) most, but it will be without a doubt a great stadium with superb sightlines and very high comfort. Also I think it will have great vacuation time and access routes within the stadium itself, but that's just my thought after seeing some renders.
It's definatelly going to be far more unique than most stadiums built these days (exactly because of it's "modest, simple shape"). What's special about Dragao? What's special about da Luz? Oh, I forgot- the red arches... come on.

veronika

February 12th, 2008, 03:35 PM

Axelferis

February 12th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Bandera

February 12th, 2008, 09:08 PM

lpioe

February 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM

:okay: words of wisdom don't hurt me honey...

Some people may take a ticket to Wembey before pre judging it..

And you can take a ticket to this stadium in Donetsk when its finished...

I don't need to go to Wembley to realise that I don't like its appearance. It may have good facilites or whatever but I care the most about how it looks and I think I can judge it fairly well from pics.

veronika

February 12th, 2008, 10:07 PM

Well i dont think you do all those things either, but anyway how about this you come and see Donetsk stadium when its finished then compare it to the Wambley and see for yourself which one is better!

Actually I am looking right at the Donetsk stadium as I am writing this,(ask moderator to check url for confirmation of my location)

As for Wembley I did that also!
And Beijing!
And so many others you would not believe it, but thats the fun in posting on this site with you all is that you dont know who I am!:banana::banana::banana:

Axelferis

February 12th, 2008, 11:51 PM

Actually I am looking right at the Donetsk stadium as I am writing this,(ask moderator to check url for confirmation of my location)

As for Wembley I did that also!
And Beijing!
And so many others you would not believe it, but thats the fun in posting on this site with you all is that you dont know who I am!:banana::banana::banana:

you are an architect!! perhaps famous??! Sir Forster?? loooll :lol:
no Jean Nouvel? yeo ming pei?aaahh hha

michał_

February 13th, 2008, 08:23 PM

Please dont shoot me down but opinion from afar is one thing and you are entitled to it! BUT, professional opinion is another thing, did any of you guys actually work in any of the stadiums you are talking about or in fact any stadiums at all that you are giving opinion on? Did you or have you been involved in the design or construction process of any part of these stadia? Did any of you actually go to these stadia to see a match or event?

Just playing devils advocate here but there are some people on these threads who have qualified opinion and others that dont. I am sure qualified opinion is respected more than visual interpretation.

(...)

And so many others you would not believe it, but thats the fun in posting on this site with you all is that you dont know who I am!

Read the last sentence you wrote and just think that it works both ways. And yes- I don't believe this :nuts:

PS: If you wish to have only professional opinions- what are you doing here at all?
If you don't, then save obvious things like this to yourself... ("qualified opinion is respected more than visual interpretation"- great one, still who dosn't know it?) because here you will meet both with yet again- obvious) majority of visual interpretations.

psper

February 13th, 2008, 09:04 PM

what will happen with the old RSK Olympiskiy? Will Metalurh Donetsk play in it and will there be installed a roof?

www.sercan.de

February 13th, 2008, 09:59 PM

I like this stadium. Do not understand what is wrong at it.
Interior is maybe unique. A 50.000 seater with 3 tiers.

Axelferis

February 13th, 2008, 10:11 PM

I like this stadium. Do not understand what is wrong at it.
Interior is maybe unique. A 50.000 seater with 3 tiers.

yes of course it's a beautiful stadium! But the problem is the lack of objectivity of guys here who say that Wembley is now a crappy stadium!! :ohno:

I can't oblige someone to find it beautiful but it is just a national preference advice just because DonesK is Ukrainian stadia!

If wembley was ukrainian it would be here a Fantstic project! That's irrelevant
Sorry! :rant:

www.sercan.de

February 13th, 2008, 10:18 PM

I like Wembley. IMO typical HOK (Europe) stadium :D
The only think i dot like is its capacity. England deserved a +100.000 one

michał_

February 13th, 2008, 10:39 PM

yes of course it's a beautiful stadium! But the problem is the lack of objectivity of guys here who say that Wembley is now a crappy stadium!! :ohno:

I can't oblige someone to find it beautiful but it is just a national preference advice just because DonesK is Ukrainian stadia!

If wembley was ukrainian it would be here a Fantstic project! That's irrelevant
Sorry! :rant:

You're really getting pathetic. I wrote that English people see Wmebley as a stadium that was messed up during the process. And you come around to say we hate it because it's English. Get real. Noone is objective here, nor are you. But you're just being stereotypical and that's hurting a lot of people or is it just me?).
Noone said Wembley is shit. But it actually isn't that great as well and juts to prove it- one advantae you named is the arch. Which is what? Functional? No it isn't. It's supposed to be impressive. But that's not the case for everybody.
Things I've heard from people who visited Wembley starting March 2007- the escalators don't work properly (their amount doesn't suit the demand- normal- if you give people the choice between normal staircases and escalators, they'll go for the better ones...), the stadium hasn't got parking space, horribly expensive tickets and catering. That makes sense for me and is not my impression, is not based on where the stadium is geographically. So stop exagerrating.

Axelferis

February 13th, 2008, 10:48 PM

Wembly is not beautifull, its medicore, from the ouyside

Michal--> is it me who wrote this page 9??? :cheers:

michał_

February 13th, 2008, 10:59 PM

Michal--> is it me who wrote this page 9??? :cheers:

well, not really :) But I seem to be loosing you...

Axelferis

February 13th, 2008, 11:18 PM

@ michal-->

Donesk is already not a 5 star stadium :lol:
according to new uefa criteria!!

But to be more serious, i think UEFA will consider only for champion's league final 5 stars stadium which are 70 k minimum capacity.

then don't loose hope to be a 5 star!!!

www.sercan.de

February 13th, 2008, 11:22 PM

Stadiums aren't hotels. So they do not need (anymore) those stars
Actually this 5 ster thing was more a good advertisement for the stadium owner

El Vampiro Ucraniano

February 13th, 2008, 11:38 PM

what will happen with the old RSK Olympiskiy? Will Metalurh Donetsk play in it and will there be installed a roof?

No Metalurh is currently building their own 24 k stadium, while RSK will have a roof over it, and will be one of the venues for 2009 under-19 European Championship hosted in Donbass... (Donbass Arena, RSK, Metalurh's new stadium, and few outside Donetsk... Mariupol, Makiyivka and Kramatorsk)

Axelferis

February 13th, 2008, 11:41 PM

wiki:

Criteria for UEFA 5 Star rating
Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5-star venues) / 30,000 (4-star venues) – individual seats with backrests. (Venues that still have individual seats without proper backrests will still continue to be accepted. In the future, however, closer attention will be paid to this aspect, and which will influence the committee’s decision regarding the addition of venues to these list categories.)
Pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m. The field of play must be in pristine condition and be prepared accordingly for a final (quality of grass, irrigation, smooth surface, etc.).
Protective fences around the field of play are not acceptable. Venues which have such installations will not be included on the list.
Sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras. In addition, there must be enough room between the goals and the first row of spectator seats behind both goals for a minimum of 150 photographers.
First-rate dressing-rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean).
Suitable and appropriately equipped drug-testing room.
Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1,400 lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and of 1,000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply able to provide, without interruption, the same luminous light intensity as the main lighting.
Modern security installations (access monitoring system, adequate PA system, etc.).
A permanent TV surveillance system in colour that is able to monitor the movement of spectators, as well as their behaviour inside and outside the stadium. This installation must also be able to produce still shots of any troublemakers, which can then be distributed immediately to the security officers / stewards in the stadium.
Clear signage that everyone can understand inside and outside the stadium, as well as in its immediate vicinity.
Suitable covered seats for disabled spectators and their accompanying persons (minimum of two sectors with at least 50 places each). The areas for disabled spectators must be adequately equipped with toilet facilities and a refreshment bar.
Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex.
Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios, etc., in accordance with the “UEFA Guidelines for Media Facilities”.
Adequate first-class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 150 places in the Honorary Tribune VIP box.
International airport(s) able to cope with the huge extra demands of a UEFA final (capacity for up to 60 charter flights per day in addition to the normal, scheduled flights)
Adequate hotel accommodation. For UEFA and its partners, at least 1,000 five-star hotel rooms (UEFA Champions League) / 500 rooms (UEFA Cup) are needed. In addition, enough other hotel accommodation in all types of category must be available.