I think it's time we opened a separate thread for this one instead of information and pictures scattered all over TT and MH threads.. we will rename when Emaar releases more info..

a mock diag. from the old emaar master plan for dubai marina... shot taken before emaar sales center and parking lot were flattened

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another old rejected proposal

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and the latest plan showing one massive empty plot

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so i put my suggestion in first:

1 big phase 1 like basement, with 2 40F towers and one 30F hotel in the middle, extended between MH and TT with a footbridge over the street, reaching the T shaped mall in between the supertalls, which will be three storey.

latest pictures.. thanks to ColinH

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Great idea making a thread for this. Now the torch thread won't be filled up with this anymore

Some of the most genius ideas appear when you least expect them.

pano of previous posted images

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what do we think emmar will be selling these apartments for? This is a prime location, my guess is between 1300 to 1500 AED /Sq Ft.

Sounds about right, but we do not yet know if this is a hotel complex or apartments yet.

^^ I think it could be a mix of both.

bummer if you bought in Marina Heights and now are getting a tower in front

bummer if you bought in Marina Heights and now are getting a tower in front

Same applies to the Torch.

From my visit to Marina Heights last week.

The management company at Marina Heights told me that the plot was going to be an extension of Phase 1 at the waters edge and then two towers. Dont know how accurate this info this.

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Any idea what is happening here? Could this be the foundation for one of the towers? Seems rather thin.

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Great pics, very helpful.

Its a pool of liquid expelled by the excavation machine (they use liquid from the yellow tanks to losen the sand so they can dig, then it is separated again).

I think the first excavation will take place in this area.

Does this mark the final area and location of foundation for the tower here then ?

Imre, perhaps you can keep us updated on this ?

yes, I will check tomorrow

Its a pool of liquid expelled by the excavation machine (they use liquid from the yellow tanks to losen the sand so they can dig, then it is separated again).



The liquid is a slurry of usually Bentonite or montmorilonite. It is poured into the hole as the excavation goes deeper. This dense liquid stops the excavation from collapsing in. Once the depth has been reached the steel cages are lowered in and the concrete is poured using Tremmie pipes (the long tubes with the hopper on the top to guide the concrete). This places the concrete at the bottom of the excavation through the slurry and as the concrete is denser than the slurry, it displaces the slurry. The displaced slurry is then pumped to a holding area ready for the next section.
Easy!!

True Blue. Any chance you could speak to the guys digging the holes and with your construction knowledge and discreet q'ing you might find out where towers will be on site?

08/Feb/2007

difficult to take pictures there because Emaar closed the site very well :) maybe somebody can from MH

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This plot is not much further away from the Marina edge than the Infinity plot. I hope EMAAR do a better job at securing the Marina wall than the contractor building Infinity.

Just what I was thinking...

Well, MEFGCo seams to be a better and more experienced company then A.P.C.C.




... not to mentioned that APCC is a Abu Dhabi based company company, if you know what I mean :D

^^ pssssssssssssssttt did u forget samir is a mod here :eek:

^^ No, I didn't :D

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^^ Looks like two towers cud fit in between MH and TT

^^ could maybe fit in indeed but i am 100% sure this won't happen.

16.02.2007

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From the picture it seems alot bigger plot than first thought. Ideal thing would be to have a hotel here as its probably the best spot in the marina.

Is it normal for such work to be going on without putting a sign up to confirm what is being built?

Does anyone know what their motivation could be?

I can't understand what the secrecy is all about. I don't believe for a minute that they are bothered about TT and MH owners finding out that their views could be blocked.

EMAAR have done this before with Marina Promenade where most towers were several floors out of the ground before they announced to the public the project.

I think that way investors are confident of the completion date given and any nasty problems are sorted before it's launched i.e like say the Infinity problem.

So it's probaly nothing to do with MH or TT owners

^^ Yep, that's what they do. With so much stuff delayed it'd be easy for them to sell when investors know the towers are already getting built

^^ Plus is not that they're in need of investor's money to build "a few" towers, plus they can delay paying the contractors for as long as they want.

Secrecy is beacuse Emaar are trying to shift there existing marina developments before announcing this one.

"Emaar is making a further release of apartments, villas and penthouses in its Marina Quays and Park Island projects at Dubai Marina. Sales open on 15 February and finance is available. Marina Quays consists of three towers, and Park Island has four towers and villas"

Secrecy is beacuse Emaar are trying to shift there existing marina developments before announcing this one.

"Emaar is making a further release of apartments, villas and penthouses in its Marina Quays and Park Island projects at Dubai Marina. Sales open on 15 February and finance is available. Marina Quays consists of three towers, and Park Island has four towers and villas"

Where is Marina Quays located?

to the left of Bay central , check Marina map thread

I was speaking here with an engineer and he told me that here is coming 5 buildings , 62-65 floors, completion 2009-2010.

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^^ Oh man, this is awesome 5 more big towers over 60 floors!!! :omg: :eek:

I was speaking here with an engineer and he told me that here is coming 5 buildings , 62-65 floors, completion 2009-2010.

It is not possible to fit 5 that high, 4 may be with difficulty but not 5 !!

^^ The engineer must know what he say - or not??

yes, he told me 5 towers 2+3

5 towers ?? No chance!

So basically no-one knows what is going on - we've heard everything from 2 + mall to 5 towers now. from 30-40 floors to 60/70.

When I was there i spoke to the manager of the foundation company who should know ... and he said 4, biggest being 54 floors.

How frustrating!

In fact, it seems to me they are deliberately spreading mis-information around.

I guess 2 towers in between Torch and MH then 3 towers in front which is possible.

If this was the case I would expect the 2 towers in between MH and Torch to be big and the ones in front smaller towers.

I guess 2 towers in between Torch and MH then 3 towers in front which is possible.

If this was the case I would expect the 2 towers in between MH and Torch to be big and the ones in front smaller towers.

yes, he explained me similar , but he told me 5 towers here...
I think launch coming soon.

Sounds about right EMAAR have this thing for building clusters.

It's quite a bit of land should be possible to fit 5, either way at a rough guess towers may look like phase 1 and the marina facing one's will have a superb view along the length of the Marina.

Hope so!!

Imre did he say when they will be launching ?

I guess 2 towers in between Torch and MH then 3 towers in front which is possible.

If this was the case I would expect the 2 towers in between MH and Torch to be big and the ones in front smaller towers.

But Imre's post said 5 towers in between 62-65 floors.....so where do 3 small towers come from?

I agree with 2 supertalls would be best in between TT and MH and 3 smaller ones in front but this could be wishful thinking for TT and MH investors.

But Imre's post said 5 towers in between 62-65 floors.....so where do 3 small towers come from?

I agree with 2 supertalls would be best in between TT and MH and 3 smaller ones in front but this could be wishful thinking for TT and MH investors.

Well I would have thought if they had the big 2 towers in between TT and MH then the 3 towers in front would be small because they may struggle to sell the 2 towers in between TT and MH because their views would be obstructed if there were 3 big towers in front.

I was told that the car park area in front of MH will not have a tower at all and will have a 3 storey shopping mall. Could it be that there will be more than 2 towers in between MH & TT going back further than the road making up the total of 5 ?

I was told that the car park area in front of MH will not have a tower at all and will have a 3 storey shopping mall. Could it be that there will be more than 2 towers in between MH & TT going back further than the road making up the total of 5 ?

I would have thought the plot in front would be used for a shopping mall ideal location for it and would look good.

Imre did he say when they will be launching ?

not, but I think soon..

I'm loving the speculative talk

from the sign in the first picture look like foundation work is about to start. Would be easy to guess once the piles go in of where and how many towers.

Yeah, best not believe anything until there's an announcement. 2 towers between MH and TT would have to be very skinny!

I know I posted earlier that two towers could fit between TT and MH but realistically I dont htink that's possible.. I think it's going to be one tower between MH and TT and four in front with a common podium, very similar to phase 1...

Well I've had some inside info........there's going to be one large tower between TT & MH shaped liked a giant banana and two smaller round towers in front shaped like two raspberries. :lol:

Hmmm!!! Okay so it's a fruit and veg. market!!

^^ no i think its going to be phallic towers with shapes like that:lol:

Middle East Foundations Group has this on their website:

http://www.middleeastfoundations.com/project_page1.htm


Dubai Marina Development

Plots 6, 7, 8 & 9 (secant piles) *

Client: Emaar Properties PJSC Hyder Consulting Middle East Ltd.

9,158 Dha per RM

Found this CV on the web !

Basel Kotob http://www.geocities.com/bkotob02/profile.html

Experience

Aug 2004 - Present
HOK Architects Inc.
Toronto, Canada
Project Leader

Managed a team of architects and designers for the Dubai Marina Phase II project in Dubai, UAE. The Project consists of 4 multi-storey development with multi-level podium that contains retail, amenties and parking. responsibilites include managing the team, monitoring the costs and supervising the progress of the drawings.


Notice that he uses the term Multi-storey and not High-rise which he uses elsewhere in his CV

http://ericksong.com/resume.htm

Gary G. Erickson - Dubai Marina Phase 2.

Design Architect. Concept schematic design of adjacent property to Dubai Marina Phase 1. Coordination of design, Illustration. HOK.

Wow......excellent detective work Steve, this is the best evidence yet that it's not going to be high rise. :)

^^ Don't get excited its just a concept design.

^^ and very old. doubt it is worth anything..

but aside from this, 5 towers in 60F range.. no way.. they can't do that.. :eek:

The Gary Erikson design was the original concept design (see main marina thread) however the one from Basel Kotob looks like it may be the current design as his work is 2004 till present - (The Project consists of 4 multi-storey development with multi-level podium that contains retail, amenties and parking)

Has anyone tried to contact Basel to see if he'll reveal more?

These complex of buildings will be build by DCE, as some others of Emaar's project in the Marina. A DCE tag has appeared on the site boarding (was there today).

^^ What is DCE's website ?

Has anyone tried to contact Basel to see if he'll reveal more?

Yes no reply yet.

Anybody thought of contacting Dubai Municipality who must have approved the plans, surely they can't withhold information ??

Reply from head of HOK

"We are under a non-disclosure agreement with EMAAR.
Suggest if you want this information you contact EMAAR directly."

Suggests that HOK's new 2004+ design is being used ?

^^ Suggests that, if it has to be such a big secret, then it is bad news for someone!!

Not really I guess an NDA was signed with Emaar not to release any information to the public until they do I'm sure all develpers get these NDA's signed.

^^ Suggests that, if it has to be such a big secret, then it is bad news for someone!!

Or perhaps it's simply a condition Emaar insists on for all engagements with architects.

Great now we all Speculate about why there is an NDA, errm it's common business practise for projects to have NDA's.

Why would it be any different when you appoint someone to design a tower.

It also means nothing just becasue they said they got an NDA with Emaar does not mean it's the choosen design.

Look what I found on Talbot Consultants website:

"Talbot Consultants International Inc. were recently retained by HOK Canada to assist them in designing the centrepiece for Phase 2 of the project; an 825,000 sq. ft. mixed-use "Town Centre". Based on our retail planning experience in the Middle East we were asked to advise HOK & Emaar on the layout and design, potential local & international anchors and the optimum selection, sizing & clustering of the retailers. We were also asked to advise on the sizing, layout and composition of the entertainment, food court and hotel components. Since the potential customers will primarily be residents (both local and expat) from the surrounding residential towers, office workers (both local and expat) from the adjacent Internet City and international tourists from the adjacent hotels particular attention was paid to the direct linkages to these areas so as to facilitate easy customer access & egress. The project is currently in the final design stage."

http://www.talbotconsultants.com/projects/sc-etc1.htm

^^

http://www.talbotconsultants.com/projects/image/dubaimarinainterior.jpg

If this article is accurate and still valid then it does sound like there will be some means for people to cross over the road to get to the other towers (Mag218, etc.)

^^ i bet there will be.

all masterplans showed this. and the t shaped mall would require it anyway.

This was put on Talbot's website during Phase I contstruction.

Interesting how it says:

"Since the potential customers will primarily be residents (both local and expat) from the surrounding residential towers, office workers (both local and expat) from the adjacent Internet City and international tourists from the adjacent hotels particular attention was paid to the direct linkages to these areas so as to facilitate easy customer access & egress"

They cant suddenly just have realised that Res Towers would be more profitable. If they do go with towers, then it would be a dramatic shift in their masterplan strategy

They cant suddenly just have realised that Res Towers would be more profitable. If they do go with towers, then it would be a dramatic shift in their masterplan strategy

Yes there was a dramatic change of plan for the marina. This refers to the very old design done in the 1990s. The new plans for the phase 2 area are just a 4 multi-storey development with multi-level podium that contains retail, amenties and parking, designed post 2004.

Here is the original dramatically different 90s design :

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Please STOP.......we going around in a big circle, post same info, pics etc. read the full thread and there would be no need.

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THIS IS NO LONGER A EMAAR PROJECT! Apparently belongs to third party now but don't know who. - Told this by an Emaar Sales Manager.

^^ Emaars Loss i was looking to invest if it was an EMAAR Project......Might just be another rumour among the million others.

I emailed someone at Emaar who I have spoken to previously on many occassions. I asked whether the plans of Dubai Marina in the Emaar brochure at Cityscape were still current. Response I got was :-

"I cannot confirm anything at this stage as the project no longer belongs to Emaar. We might manage the towers but do not own it. It now belongs to a third party."

As long as it's not DAMAC we should be ok, Quite a large project there can't be many Third Parties capable of handling that. Unless Emmar are building it for the third party

Someone posted a picture showing this as Marina - Phase 2.

Also someone else 'owning the project' may not necessarily mean that the land has been sold...

if true more likely to imply a hotel complex or serviced apartments, similar to Emirates one

So it is like the 2N tower on the other side of Phase 1.

Naz_UK would know if the project has been sold to a hotelier.

If there is only 1 party involved in taking over this project it must be a big company.

DAMAC, Trump, Armani ?

Can't be DAMAc though because construction has sarted.

Could well be a trump project ?

^^ Naz is a Little Miss Goodie Two Shoes... too loyal and won't reveal shit for us :)

^^ Probabaly beacuse he makes out he knows more then he actually does.......

^^ i think it comes down to both.

anyway, altin is right this is similar to 2N tower and maybe Marina tower also?

but it could be a totally different thing...

^^ your marinascapness reminds me it could be Trident behind this. Was'nt there a render of a huge tower with gardens on one side posted somewhere recently. We all thought it was to go in the tallest block. Was that Trident, can't find it now ?

"we might manage it but do not own it" Don't think thats Trident.

If the project no longer belongs to Emaar it must be because someone very powerfull has intervened. (An individual, not a company unless Emirates brand.)

I am swaying towards Altins theory of 2N type project.

What exactly is the story with 2N?

^^ Built by Emaar for a private client. Rumoured to be closely linked to the Sheikh, possible family member/relative.

Altin knows the story but won't tell anyone :lol:

^^ It is not my story, but 2N was build and marketed by EMAAR with huge EMAAR logos on the tower, and the word was that the tower belongs to either Nakheel or is privately owned by their's Chairman.

So could Nakheel (and possibly trump) be connected to this new development then :D The plot thickens.

If its Trump (emphasis on IF) then people buying in Torch, MH, etc. are going to be VERY happy campers!

I suspect the ownership has been transfered to one of the large mall operators who will give the management of any hotel part to another company.

So to summarize, Emaar have said, I quote exactly

"the project no longer belongs to Emaar. We might manage the towers but do not own it. It now belongs to a third party."

AND

"The third party has a right to change anything and everything they want from our initial plans"

^^ Hoorah, the 246 storey tower that SA Boy is talking about, will be the centre piece of marina now :banana:

^^ Probabaly beacuse he makes out he knows more then he actually does.......

:ohno:

Sorry for having some standards of practice. I work in the industry and that too in the media. The people who are behind these hotels are my customers. What kind of integrity would I have if I went off and revealed important confidential information on an internet forum, much of which are details my clients have entrusted me with?

With all due respect, im kinda beyond the teenage adolescent behaviour of somehow having the "need" to pretend i know more than I actually do, in order to impress or whatever else. I'm just trying to be a bit professional.

I do have a lot of information regarding forthcoming and as yet un-announced hotel plans for Dubai, e.g. CofA, World Central, Marina, Dubailand, Bawadi and so much more, but am not at liberty to reveal due to the above. I have no information about the plot in front of the Torch. I have a journalist on the case however, and if and when I find out, provided its not in breach of any agreements, I may be able to shed some light. Now chill.

I agree, it was unfair to attack Naz - hopefully he will be able to provide news to us faster than other people so we should give him a bit of respect and not drive him away.

Can't wait to find out what will be here!

Naz i aplogise if you think i was attacking you it was more a passing comment. But you've said your piece and now lets leave it at that.

Tractor you go back to your nice dubai forumn

^^ :lol:

I didnt see it as an attack at all really, just wanted to clarify why sometimes as frustrating for me as it is, I don't dive in head first and post sensitive information. I wish I could, coz then i'd be all "popular" and the chicks would dig me...but alas..i can't as I have my job to think about.

Well i aplogised like a man, and don't worry i think most of us understand confidential and sensative information in the work place

I think your already popular enough with your DAMAC comments not sure how many chicks there are in here and what would your Wife Say,

shouldn't this thread be called "Marina Phase 2" ?

^^ No, it may not be phase 2 anymore. Emaar sold the project on to an unknown entity who is allowed to change everything.

^^ No, it may not be phase 2 anymore. Emaar sold the project on to an unknown entity who is allowed to change everything.

Yes but Imre posted a picture of an HS&E sign from the Foundations company saying Marina - Phase 2.

Has this sign now been removed??

^^ Good point. Will have to ask Imre to check.

ok , tomorrow I will see.

Emaar project:)

I asked a pakistani workers today and he said that five building cancelled because of parking place , only 3 towers coming 62,48,38 floors and this is Emaar project (maybe true because everywhere Emaar logo).I asked about completion and he said after 3-4 years..
Maybe next time another version:)

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I dont know what is this , he said 20-25 m deep

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Thanks Imre, any idea about the location of each of the 3 towers which I will call T62, T48, and T38 ?

Assuming this update is true, the big tower most likely go in between MH and TT with the other 2, possibly directly in front of MH and TT so that the big 60+ tower retains it's unobstructed views down the length of the marina.

welcome Dubai Steve. I have no idea , I was walking there a lot but I havent seen concrete pilling works yet.

I think (and hope) that the space between MH and TT is being used for storage purposes or if not, there will be a podium level mall or rec center or something similar there.. and not a 68 floor tower... I would hate to see a supertall squeezed in there

up to today, we heard so many different versions about what will be built and who owns the plot.

some of you previously suggested that emaar's style is to launch the project half way through construction.

probably this is what will happen with this one.

of course as a torch's owner i would love to know what will be in front of our building, but after so many versions i don't get emotional anymore when i hear a new proposal.

i suppose Krazy is right to say that we must be patient.

only time will tell.

I've received some confidential information today for DS, been told not to tell anybody, they've bought the plot and it's a five tower residential development with mall, official launch date 1st April.

How high are the towers?

All same height 55 floors.

only joking guys.............the clue's in the date :lol:

Caught me!!!!

very funny.

Adding to the speculation about Trump being involved ?

FROM Arabian Business.com

"Trump's plans for Dubai do not end with the Palm Jumeirah development, with further investment in the region in the pipeline. "We are currently looking to build a 150-room boutique hotel and spa."

I personally think Trump would see himself too posh for the Marina. I reckon he'll be interested in the World, Waterfront, Palm Diera or New Karama.

^^ Maybe, but now we the like of the Pentimonium and Le Reve in this area and Trump likes prime plots most of all. Although this is only 1 small hotel not a collection of 3 towers so may not be here.

*delete*

this could be a continuation of the development in between the towers in district 10 dubai marina

My guess for the next Trump development is the world

The next Trump development in Dubai is supposed to be called "The Trump Plaza Marina Residences" but this is on the Palm I think ?

Whether or not the Trump organisation will locate their 150 bed boutique hotel as part of the Emaar development is only speculation. However, that site, in such close proximity to so many of the world's tallest and most architecturally exquisite buildings, and with such a spectacular view along the entire length of the marina, is as prime as any hotelier - Trump or otherwise - could wish for.

I think chances of seeing TRUMP in Marina are close to ZERO, since they have clearly stated to work exclusively with Nakheel.

Unless the Marina is sold to Nakheel, JBR sold to Damac, Etisalat buy out DP, Dick Cheney becomes President of the USA and Jamaica win the next football world cup.

^^ or Emaar sell this plot to Nakheel, which has been dicussed.

thank GOD for this thread

^^ yeah all the useless stuff is now focussed on this thread.

What a load of specaulative nonsense..........Just heard DAMAC sold there catering operations to EMAAR which has lead to delays in the constuction of the Bruj Dubai

But this has Lead to full speed construction on all of DAMAC's projects.

Oh an Trump have decided to sell up to Bill gates and as he got distracted everyone now has a PC with Mac OSX on it.

From DPArchitects:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2j1n539.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/42lu2ip.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/2hzl4zr.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/48p90lk.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/2s7duyq.jpg

Could be an old unapproved design but may give some hints to what is in Emaar's minds.

From Batley Partners

The proposal for this new urban develpment in the Dubai Marina required a retail/mixed use intervention within a very specific cross road context set up by the overall master planning. The retail environment is designed specifically for an entertainment lifestyle environment. Focus is given to restaurants, lifestyle brands and interactive retail activities such as music/video and bookstores.

The design focus is concentrated on the central cross axis where overlapping spaces and multivolumed seating and vertical circulation are celebrated in a dynamic serpentine glass roof which flows down the two arcades and culminates in a "burst" above the apex of the intersection.

The extremes of the arcades are the entrances and become the "anchors" of the centre and encourage people to circulate from one end to the next, regardless of where they have entered.

A hotel/lounge environment is included as part of the development which is the transition area for access to a boutique hotel. Aesthetic treatment accentuates the exclusive nature of the centre and provides a first world, new millennium environment for patrons. The arcades are all designed as multivolumed with shops with tall facades communicating the interactive nature of each. The facades act as screens of visual richness which provide an ambience to the ambulatory nature of the arcade.

And some speculative deduction fun:

EMAAR: ""the project no longer belongs to Emaar. We might manage the towers but do not own it. It now belongs to a third party."

True Blue: "If the project no longer belongs to Emaar it must be because someone very powerfull has intervened"

AltinD: "2N was build and marketed by EMAAR with huge EMAAR logos on the tower, and the word was that the tower belongs to either Nakheel or is privately owned by their's Chairman."

TRUMP: "We are currently looking to build a 150-room boutique hotel and spa."

Please rename this thread Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.

:sleepy: :sleepy:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2s7duyq.jpg

this is what i want over the road between princess and le reve.

Wouldn't that effectively link the 2 towers???

Can someone pls tell me where on file front I can find the Dubai megaprojects video? Thanks.

^^ version 2 has been deleted from filefront, i am sorry. u need to download it via torrents.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/sahmad/027c6126.gif

I want to resurect this image once again. A friend pointed out to me that there are two piles that he saw being driven (a few weeks or so ago) which would support a crossing from the plot between MH and the Torch, to the proposed T-section mall. When I had a look myself, sure enough it was there. Almost exactly where the point is in the tent roof crossing the road in the image above is the outline of large pile head in the median strip. The other pile he said was driven somewhere between the Torch and MH plots. (This one I haven't seen.)

I'd say this is proof, it's going to happen. Can't say, of course, if it will be this tent like design or the one shown up in the Marina Plot thread. But it seems certain that this is going to happen. I suggest we start up a new thread and call it something like the T-shaped Mall, Upper Marina Mall or Marina Archade.

Great news for Mag, Pinnacle, TT and MH owners.

^^ Yes, I agree. With the addition of the Pentominium tower this whole area--combining the two tallest blocks--will be among the most upscale urban districts in the world. In Dubai, I predict that the Burj downtown and the Marina's tallest block will be the premier addresses in Dubai.

thank GOD for this thread

Well, since you created this thread, doesn' that make you self-glorifying somewhat? :lol:

Very interesting indeed.

Especially given that the the plot in between MH and TT is boarded off along with the big plot in front.

i can definetly tell u the plot between MH and TT is much bigger than what the map shows.

but i am also quite sorry there won't be a tower taller than 6-7F (mall/parking) going in between them.

Naz, you said that the shopping arcade is definately a go ahead in the marina thread. Where did you get this info. One of the architects from DParchitects emailed me to say that he heard it is not going ahead and the project is closed. Who is now designing it then?

who did you contact in dp architects? what did he say?

This was the exact reply. :lol:

"er. we kinda stopped working on it. i heard its not going to be continued or something. im really not too sure but i believe this project is closed?"

Naz, you said that the shopping arcade is definately a go ahead in the marina thread. Where did you get this info. One of the architects from DParchitects emailed me to say that he heard it is not going ahead and the project is closed. Who is now designing it then?

This doesn't necessarily mean that there will be no aracde.

Maybe Emaar commissioned several arcade designs from different architect firms.

Perhaps they are going with a different firm.

Very interesting. My source is a journalist I put on the case, who works on Construction Week, who contacted them and was told that it was definitely going ahead. Let me try and get a name or source tomorrow.

Type "Dubai Marina Arcade" into google then you will find this in the blog :D she work(ed) for DPArchitects.

written in September 2006:

and cmk. please give me some real work soon. before i puke on dubai marina arcade.

and June 2006:

swear to god. mk thinks im superwoman, hes always like this and i never complained. i never even did once tell him his requests were too much, i always just nodded my head, agreed with the workload and the deadline and proceeded to do my best for him. he did it again. at first i was elated that hes rescuing me from dubai marina arcade. i knew he'll come and give me another project to do, i just knew he would. i missed working with him this way, as traumatizing as it gets, i really do. but either he thinks im superwoman or hes challenging me or hes out to make things difficult for me. he made me trace this impossibly messy contoured survey plan on cad and then said the following, then i need you to cut it out and make the model. i was totally like, I DO? then he said nonchalently, yeah you do. i hid my traumatized face. if thats not all, he said he wants it by monday and he went like so you have this afternoon and monday morning. i was like okayyy.

^^ :drunk: :nuts:

^^ :lol:

as requested:

http://i14.tinypic.com/2j3l40g


My view:

I was walking there as well, as you can see they have boarded the plot in between until the road, and you might also notice there are no more palm trees or landscaping in the middle of the two lanes where a possible bridge/etc might cross it.


for the plot itself, it seems really hard to me to find out where towers of which height might be located at this stage.

http://i11.tinypic.com/2itoltc.jpg

between MH and TT

It does seem odd that work isn't progressing on those plots full steam. Usuallly once Emaar gets started with something it really takes off. You would think there is some problem, some hitch, that has temporarily held everything up.

Very interesting. My source is a journalist I put on the case, who works on Construction Week, who contacted them and was told that it was definitely going ahead. Let me try and get a name or source tomorrow.

Did you find anything ?

I have a feeling that DPArchitects did not get the approval.

Maybe then it will be BatleyParterns design :

http://www.batleypartners.com/index.php?mod=submain&SubPage_ID=33

Seems there are at least 3 designs submitted for this by different companies.

^^ Time will Tell Steve, are we not bored of speculating now.

I had a funny encounter at the side yesterday. I asked one of the construction workers if he knows what they build there, but he just said: "sorry Sir, forgot to wear helmet". Probabbly thought i was one of the supervisors of the construction company !:lol:

^^ :lol: probably thought you said "do you know they are building there!" - well at least you may have saved his life.

dubailife - not bored because I have a lot invested in that area.

Sorry Steve, spent most of last week out of the office. I'll try and get an answer on Sunday.

It does seem odd that work isn't progressing on those plots full steam. Usuallly once Emaar gets started with something it really takes off. You would think there is some problem, some hitch, that has temporarily held everything up.

I don't think the progress is slow ... well I mean to slow. The Middle East Foundation Group operates somehow differently (technically speaking) from other piling companies and even if it seams like not much it is done, the reality is different.

Hi,

We walked past this site today and had to do a double-take - everything has gone. All the equipment, the workers, the site offices, the project boards - all gone. There is just a completely empty, flat piece of sand, No evidence at all of any work having ever been done.

The only man there was just nailing into place the final board to close off the site completely!

The mystery continues...

That is really bizarre so Emaar have sold the project then. Does this mean it is not Dubai Marina Phase 2 anymore ?

is the blue boarding also gone?

if not, it is just time for the excavation contractor/piling contractor to arrive now.

^^ but the beckhams said the Emaar marina phase 2 project board has also gone :dunno:

Yes, the Marina Phase 2 signs have gone. The blue boards surrounding the site are still in place, but that is all. All entrances to the site have now been boarded up and even the covered parking has gone.

It certainly doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon.

Nothing strange about it.

Propably Middle East Foundation Group was contracted only for the site shoring work and now that they completed their job, they packed and left. (they have done the same in a couple of SZR sites). The Marina Phase 2 sign was also erected by them, so they took that out as well.

We have to wait and see when real piling start. Even without a board, it will give an idea of what might be build there.

@ dubai steve

whats the URL for the blog u saw? cant seem to find it...
thanks

... the beckhams ... :dunno:

Yes...


:D


(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Nothing strange about it.

Propably Middle East Foundation Group was contracted only for the site shoring work and now that they completed their job, they packed and left. (they have done the same in a couple of SZR sites). The Marina Phase 2 sign was also erected by them, so they took that out as well.

We have to wait and see when real piling start. Even without a board, it will give an idea of what might be build there.

Sounds right to me.

The sign was not a declaration of the project but an Health & Saftey sign showing no. of employees, no of accidents etc.

@ dubai steve

whats the URL for the blog u saw? cant seem to find it...
thanks

It seems she has also packed up and gone. The url has been removed from google's search results. Must have been because AltinD says she was a drunk. :bash:


Just found the blog site in my cache:

Anyway AltinD you may want to apply :D

"I want to be married to a man for 25 years and still feel the butterfly rush in my stomach when I hear his car pull into our driveway."

I will invite her here for him...

^^ I said she was "nuts and drunk", but since she seams to be Chinese, I take that back, knowing the language difficulties they have and different way of thought expression.

I don't know about mariage, but she being a 21 Chinese gal, after 25 years would still be fresh and nice.:tongue2:








... so yeah you can invite her :D

^^ OK I emailed Ling from DPArchitects and told her about you. :D I hope she replies here soon.

^^ Ok thank you. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/captain_cookie/100_0083.jpg

^^ Steve, are you admiring your six pack??

WTF. is everyone being racist here?

i am chinese but i do not have any difficulty expressing myself.

edit: im not mad. in case i sounded like i am. (:

^^ Ha, ha ... WELCOME to the forum and despite what it might sound like there is no racism at all ... in contrary, sign of admiration were expressed. :D

BTW I loved the blog cover with the girl hidding her face and the lyrics written.

^^ Steve, are you admiring your six pack??

That's not Steve.


He will never do that.

^^ :lol: yes I only have 1 pack.

Welcome red4passion, did you get a chance to work on any other Dubai projects at all ?

^^ why would u like to have sixpack, if you have a barrel already, eh steve?

:lol: yes but I do not drink, if that is what you are implying :bash:

^^ You'd be Flo's best friend :D

nah im working on the ir currently. btw im not an architect, you can call me an assistant but not what the company likes to label us, technical officers. makes it sound like we repair computers.

thanks. i like that blog cover too. (:

^^ What "ir" stands for ... Irland maybe? :dunno:

integrated resorts. (:

^^ So you got your wish to get some real work then. :)

I guess they cancelled the marina arcade project because you :puke:'ed on the model of the Dubai Marina Arcade as you said you would in your blog :lol:

Naz did you find out anything yet?

Yes...the mall is definitely going ahead. But not the DP Architects design, as it wasn't chosen. I'm working on my guy to try and find out which design they have gone for and also if there are any renders/details.

nah i heard the reason they stopped the project was because the surrounding buildings were all much taller as compared to our design.

My guess is that it will be the Batley Partners design then, since this design talks about height alot. "multivolumed with shops with tall facades" etc. They are also doing culture village.

Aha ... Emaar and their height ego .... :lol:

Steve. with the DPA design seamingly not going through, say buy-buy to the promissed Marina View from your apartment. :D

multivolumed with shops with tall facades...
i look forward to see it.
would that be the only mall which such features in dubai?

http://i15.tinypic.com/2qc1i7k.jpg

Aha ... Emaar and their height ego .... :lol:

Steve. with the DPA design seamingly not going through, say buy-buy to the promissed Marina View from your apartment. :D

:bash: Well there will always be a good view to the side of any tower in front there. Should be able to see towards Grosvenor house at least.

^^ we'll see how the layout of the site will turn it within a couple of weeks, when they start excavation/ground work.

thanks for update scoot, seems to me they are just waiting for the next contractor. btw you can see the outlines of the project where they levelled the ground.

I just read the description on Batley's website and it is not conclusive WRT height. All it says that there will be multi-volumed arcades with shops with tall facades. Despite being multi-volumed, they may not be that tall.

"A hotel/lounge environment is included as part of the development which is the transition area for access to a boutique hotel."

I don't expect a boutique hotel to be that tall. The whole thing appears to have a 'lifestyle' emphasis and I think Emaar have stressed this to the designers.

Has anyone contacted Batley for more info??

Here is the image which appears above the Batley partners summary of the arcades design.

It doesn't show us too much but you can see how much glass is featuring...


http://i13.tinypic.com/2luf3ew.gif

:bash: Well there will always be a good view to the side of any tower in front there. Should be able to see towards Grosvenor house at least.


:eek2: Steve ... Why are you bashing me?

I thought we were "brother in arms" ... at least on this thread subject. :lol:

^^ :lol: because you are always teasing me about loosing my marina view :bash:

http://i15.tinypic.com/2qc1i7k.jpg

What are those walls/blocks in the photo?

^^ Those are the site retaining walls. You can see that they have done some excavation at the site; the walls go very deep into the sand and later on, the hole/pitch will go deepper as well.

... and for the record I only did it once, though looking at the circumstances I accept I got a little carried away. :D

Well there will always be a good view to the side of any tower in front there. Should be able to see towards Grosvenor house at least.

Hey that's a bad thing......coz at night, you'll have a pretty tough time sleeping with all those blue neon lights blazing right into your eyes!! :lol:

Yes and there will be 2 grosvenor houses soon! carpetking, do you sell curtains also? :lol:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/504/imresolt049vg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I heard today from a reliable source in dubai that there will be 3 towers here, 1x54 floor in the middle and 2x32 floors either side. I would guess that is leaving the space between TT and MH for some of the mall ...

I heard today from a reliable source in dubai that there will be 3 towers here, 1x54 floor in the middle and 2x32 floors either side. I would guess that is leaving the space between TT and MH for some of the mall ...

How relaiable is that source?

I heard a rumour that a Hotel Chain with a royal connection (from a neighbouring country) was trying hard to get hold of this plot! Any comments on this?

I heard today from a reliable source in dubai that there will be 3 towers here, 1x54 floor in the middle and 2x32 floors either side. I would guess that is leaving the space between TT and MH for some of the mall ...

I think this rumour surfaced before - the floor heights mentioned do ring a bell.

If this is true, I would expect a similar development to Bay Central with the middle tower being pushed forward and a bit closer to the marina edge.

^^ But unlike the Bay Central, the plot here is different in shape and doesn't support that kind of layout.

Everything so far suggest that the taller tower should be lined up between The Torch and Marina Height, and the two other towers respectively in front , with a common (covered) shopping plazza.

^^ this configuration makes sense indeed.

i am not sure if the taller one will be built in between TT and MH or slightly in front of them, it would make more sense.

^^ That is possible also and it can provide for place to connect the retail areas on both sides of the road.

^^ I agree with that, there is likely to be a tower between MH and TT

^^ But unlike the Bay Central, the plot here is different in shape and doesn't support that kind of layout.

Everything so far suggest that the taller tower should be lined up between The Torch and Marina Height, and the two other towers respectively in front , with a common (covered) shopping plazza.

Yes but I have a feeling the plot in between TT and MH will not have a tower but will be an extension of the mall/arcades. Previous posts have suggested this with some kind of crossing feature highly possible. I hope I'm wrong and they do put the big tower in between them.

If they stick all 3 towers in front with the big one in the middle then that will be a real blow for TT owners hoping for a good view.

Look at it this way. If you were the developer and had that big open plot, there would be no reason to just line up the buildings the way everyone else does when limited to a single plot. It would make sense to angle and arrange the towers in a spaced out, aesthetically pleasing manner.

Look at it this way. If you were the developer and had that big open plot, there would be no reason to just line up the buildings the way everyone else does when limited to a single plot. It would make sense to angle and arrange the towers in a spaced out, aesthetically pleasing manner.

Yes but it depends who the developer is. Most developers may think this way but Emaar may have a grand masterplan in mind for the marina which could differ from this...

Yes but it depends who the developer is. Most developers may think this way but Emaar may have a grand masterplan in mind for the marina which could differ from this...

I am hoping that it will be malls/theatres/major grocery stall or any recreational sites/activities for families/friends, and a multi-story carpark. And that the entrace and exit to the multi-story carpark would be on the main road side, not within the plot.

And pls not to use roundabouts any more.

Rgds.

Any movement on the site lately?

nothing here...

23/May/2007

Marina Pinnacle , The Torch and Unnamed Emaar site from Time Place

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8848/imresolt082qw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9866/imresolt113og5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Anyone noticed anything happening on the site?

I'm guessing they're either waiting for the contractor to arrive and start work or perhaps the project is being re-worked or in the process of being sold...

zip

Anything happening here yet ?

Nope

Still nothing happening here, very strange.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5851/imresolt088hi4.jpg

^^ Well you know what to do: Start googling again ... maybe some other person might be blogging about this project, preferably another female. :lol:

OK maybe you will have better luck the 2nd time :D

^^ How do you know what kind of luck I had, did you tried yourself? :bash:



... now show me that e-mail you sent. :D

Steve found anything yet?

http://www.expatriates.com/cls/1754886.html

Advert on 21st July !

Is this the Phase 2 area plot for sale ?


Dubai Marina Unlimited
plot size: 37,000
price: non negotiable: 250,000,000
residential....but if emaar permits u can change it
district 10
PLot number : N/A
Client is ready to issue an LOI.....with a penalty clause of 5 mill....going both ways

^^ It's the same district but the plot size is too small, assuming it's in ft2. 37,000ft2 is only 60m x 60m approx. Could be the plot between Torch and Marina Heights or directly infront of either.

LOI = Letter of Intent or pre contract agreement. Similar to what wealthy couples sign before they get married :lol:

^^ Does that not indicate then that the Dubai Marina Arcade is no more! :no:

they could be thinking of breaking it up again and selling individual plots.

Of course, as I predicted emaar's greed prevails :cheers:

I believe emaar already sold all this land, and now we are seeing bits of it up for sale from individuals. Seems like it will be some time before we see anything here then. But will be a big dissapointment if there is no shopping mall / arcade. :no:

As I said in that other thread, this plot on sale can be also the one in front of the Infinity tower, right next to the new bridge.

the easy thing to do would be to contact that dude who put up the advertisement and find out the exact location

One thing is for sure: The plot for sale DOES NOT belong to Emaar.

Mmmmmmmmmm

I have been told by a Dubai land agent that Emaar do own plots A5c, A5d and A5e.

Heard a rumour about the Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter :)

Not a trusted source though, he claimed to have seen a recent second design for an arcade/shopping/hotel and parking, only one tower, which makes his story a bit hard to believe.