The National Harbor
http://www.nationalharbor.com/
7,300,000 sf of master plan mixed-use community in Prince George’s County, MD


2,500 Residential Units


4,000 hotel rooms and convention center


1 million sf of retail, dining, and entertainment


500,000 sf of class "A" office space


http://www.nationalharbor.com/_images/nh_model1.jpg
http://www.nationalharbor.com/_images/nh_model2.jpg
This is undoubtedly the biggest project in the entire Metro area outside of the potential 700 foot+ towers going up in Baltimore. What do you all think? Does it need a Purple Line stop?

Here is a construction picture provided on the National Harbor website:

http://www.nationalharbor.com/_images/construction/Picture%201%20081105.jpg

If this project has the right infrastructure and relative affordability, it's going to be a success IMO, and it will expand and become better.

terrifici-looking project. it's really going to offer alot of good things for that area of P.G. County.

I like the black Porsche Cayenne in the second model picture. PG County has lofty economic aspirations. It's about time someone in Maryland did.

very cool, indeed. :)

I posted a thread on National Harbor not too long ago, the Maryland thread has a post on the same exact thing. I wonder why it wasn't brought over.

http://www.nationalharbor.com/images/img_home_headerPic.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/27/PH2005092701873.jpg

http://www.petersoncos.com/images/NH_2005_Model.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/26/business/26sqft.1.600.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/GaylordNational_hero.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalHarbor1_hero_2.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalHarbor2_hero.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalHarbor3_hero.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalHarborPlaza1_hero.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalHarborPlaza2_hero_1.jpg

I would be nice to see DC with a bit more boating culture. I plan to get one as soon as I'm settled and can afford one, Natl. Harbor will be a nice destination.

I posted a thread on National Harbor not too long ago, the Maryland thread has a post on the same exact thing. I wonder why it wasn't brought over.


Check page 2 of this section...

Any thoughts on how the National Harbor will affect the business of Baltimore's Inner Harbor? Or do you think they'll just be two seperate customer bases altogether?

Any thoughts on how the National Harbor will affect the business of Baltimore's Inner Harbor? Or do you think they'll just be two seperate customer bases altogether?
They're definately competing with the same customer base, but I don't think the National Harbor will be able to challenge most of the attractions Baltimore Harbor has (the aquarium, Espn Zone, etc.),

Any thoughts on how the National Harbor will affect the business of Baltimore's Inner Harbor? Or do you think they'll just be two seperate customer bases altogether?

I think they will compliment each other, would you rather it be in Virginia or some other nearby state?

I think they will be competing w/ B'more a bit. I think if they have some nice attractions people will go there instead of B'more. But it won't be able to compete with B'more on everything, but so it won't affect it that much. More than anything it'll just give people in the area another local attraction.

what about the sw waterfront in dc compehat is.ting w/bmore> I don't know what the timeline on that is.

Yeah, I don't know what the timeline is either. I haven't even seen a really detailed plan of it, only a couple renders. People are saying it's going to be really nice, which I believe. They have a lot of mixed-used stuff in store, but I don't know that it will compete with B'more's harbor. I think in general, the DC area is benefitting from areas in all three jurisdictions trying to capitalize on their waterfronts. But the SW waterfront probably won't be the destination that the inner harbor will. I think the stadium area will probably do this better. I think the SW waterfront will be a bit classier.

The competition may be good for the Inner Harbor. I know General Growth Properties has updated both the Gallery and Harborplace (and the retail offerings) a bit since acquiring those properties from Rouse, the Aquarium and Science Center have expanded and the city added West Shore Park, but for the most part, things around that section of the waterfront could stand a revamping. Perhaps the presence of the SW waterfront and the National Harbor could spur that.

I don’t think we should at all be worried. Remember, Baltimore’s Inner Harbor is one of the most sought after waterfront destinations in the country. The partnership of business community and local government has allowed our community to do what few other cities have been able to accomplish. Maybe the competition will make the city market the neighborhoods and districts that surround the Inner Harbor more aggressively. I don’t care how hard the developers of the National Harbor try, they can’t surround that land with Mt. Vernon, Canton, Fells Point, Federal Hill, the Westside, etc. When you leave the glitz and glamour of the National Harbor, you’ll be pretty hard pressed to find things to do.

The competition may be good for Baltimore's Inner Harbor. I know General Growth Properties has updated both the Gallery and Harborplace a bit since acquiring those properties from Rouse.

one of the most sought after waterfront destinations in the country. The partnership of business community and local government has allowed this community to do what few other cities have been able to accomplishThe competition may be good for the Inner Harbor. I know General Growth Properties has updated both the Gallery and Harborplace (and the retail offerings) a bit since acquiring those properties from Rouse, but for the most part, things around that section of the waterfront could stand a revamping. Perhaps the presence of the SW waterfront and the National Harbor could spur that.

I don’t think we should at all be worried. Remember, Baltimore’s Inner Harbor is one of the most sought after waterfront destinations in the country. The partnership of business community and local government has allowed our community to do what few other cities have been able to accomplish. Maybe the competition will make the city market the neighborhoods and districts that surround the Inner Harbor more aggressively. I don’t care how hard the developers of the National Harbor try, they can’t surround that land with Mt. Vernon, Canton, Fells Point, Federal Hill, the Westside, etc. When you leave the glitz and glamour of the National Harbor, you’ll be pretty hard pressed to find things to do.

:ohno: Oh man, someone please make it stop. When will we Marylanders stop seeing each other as competition/enemies in every freaking category? It is really hurting us! Instead of thinking negative, I would open my eyes and see this as great opportunity to TAKE ADVANTAGE of and get NEW BUSINESS for Baltimore's harbor and convention center.

National Harbor will have a built in clientele. Gaylord Hotels is known for having a built in base of convention business, they bring their own business. I will post the article soon but it stated 45% of bookings at NH were totally new to the D.C. area. If I was a Baltimore convention rep I would high-tail my ass to get an offer put together so I could bring in this TOTALLY NEW NEVER SEEN BEFORE convention business to my city.

Who ever is in charge of BWI should be putting together a package deal for the great number of people that will be flying into the area to go to National Harbor. I really think National Harbor alone could become an international beacon, a way for BWI to justify direct flights from Asia.

Inner Harbor and National Harbor should coordinate with each other on how to make this work best for both sides. Learn to take advantage of a situation and stop being greedy, we are all in the same state. Imagine if it was in a nearby state instead, that is a 10x worst scenario.

A Place to Stick Around After Those Dull Meetings

01-23-2007

A Place to Stick Around After Those Dull Meetings The New York Times, November 26, 2006 By Alison Gregor

WHEN the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center opens along the Potomac River in Prince George's County, Md., it will be one of the largest hotels on the East Coast, with 2,000 rooms and 470,000 square feet of convention space, as well as restaurants, a nightclub and a spa.

This $800 million complex will be the centerpiece of a veritable small city called National Harbor, being developed on the river near Washington by the Peterson Companies of Fairfax, Va. But the Gaylord National's opening, set for April 2008, will also show the continued growth of a class of hotels: the convention-resort destination. ''About six years ago, we said we can take this model and go across the country with it,'' said John Caparella, the chief operating officer of Gaylord Hotels, which opened the 2,881-room Opryland USA complex at its Nashville headquarters in 1977.

In recent years the company has developed the 1,406-room Gaylord Palms resort outside Orlando, Fla., and the 1,511-room Gaylord Texan resort in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. It is also developing plans for another megahotel on the Chula Vista, Calif., bayfront near San Diego. ''Meeting planners and convention planners have told us what they want: first-class meeting space with great entertainment and great restaurants,'' Mr. Caparella said. The Gaylord National, which will occupy about 40 acres, will include an exhibit hall with 17 loading docks and three ballrooms, along with an Old Hickory Steakhouse and other restaurants, a salon and fitness center and an 11,000-square-foot marina and pier on the Potomac.

The rest of National Harbor will be built over the next five years; it is to include 2,500 residential units, more than 500,000 square feet of office space and about one million square feet of retail shops on more than 300 acres, according to Milton V. Peterson, the founder and chairman of the Peterson Companies. The main thoroughfare of the development is being modeled after Las Ramblas in Barcelona, Spain. Other hotels at the $4 billion National Harbor development, Mr. Peterson said, will include a 195-room Westin, a 162-room Marriott Residence Inn, a 151-room Hampton Inn and Suites, and, to open near the end of 2008, a 186-room Aloft brand hotel from Starwood Hotels and Resorts Worldwide and a 250-unit Wyndham Vacation Ownership time share, for a total of 2,944 units, including those at the Gaylord National. By the time National Harbor is completed, Mr. Peterson says, he hopes that there will be 4,000 hotel rooms under various brands.

He says he has had no trouble attracting hotel companies. He notes that Washington is one of the most popular cities for tourism in the country. ''People love to come to the world's capital, and now their families can come, too,'' he said. ''The conventioneer gets a two-fer.'' (National Harbor is about 15 minutes from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and about 45 minutes from Washington Dulles International Airport.) Gaylord expanded its projected room count for the Gaylord National to 2,000 from 1,500, Mr. Caparella said, in response to brisk advance bookings after the company announced the proposed hotel in October 2004. Already, he said, the hotel has booked enough business to keep it full for a year and a month.

The Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company, which typically attracts about 2,500 people to its conventions, is among the regular clients at Gaylord hotels and has reserved space for February 2009 at the Gaylord National. ''The one-stop shopping is a real plus for us,'' said Armand Castro, director of customer relations, who coordinates all of the company's dealer meetings. ''It's savings for us. We get all the folks to the destination, and they never have to leave.'' Though conference-goers may stay on site for the duration of the event, some will come early or stay late, ''to take advantage of the attractions around the hotels,'' said Charles L. Sinclair, a spokesman for Goodyear Tire. The Gaylord National will make Prince George's County more competitive with Washington and other areas, said Kwasi Holman, president and chief executive of the Prince George's County Economic Development Corporation. Some hotel managers and convention industry leaders in Washington, meanwhile, have expressed concern that the convention-resort-destination model will hurt their business.

The district has lost myriad rooms at larger hotels in recent years to condominium conversions, and while 2.3 million square feet of convention space is now available at the new Washington Convention Center, there is no affiliated hotel to serve it as yet. A 1,434-room, $550 million hotel is being developed by Marriott and is set to open next to the convention center around 2010, according to Norman Jenkins, senior vice president for North American lodging development at Marriott International.

In the meantime, however, the district's largest hotel, the 1,300-room Marriott Wardman Park, has lost several conferences to the Gaylord National, according to William A. Hanbury, president and chief executive of the Washington Convention and Tourism Corporation. Joe Stern, senior director of sales and marketing at the Grand Hyatt Washington, which has 888 rooms and 40,000 square feet of meeting space, says he perceives the Gaylord National as ''a destination competition more than a hotel competition.'' ''The reality is, the National Harbor project, which is in Prince George's County and not Washington, D.C., is a mini-city and convention center,'' he said. Mr. Stern said he worried that relatively few guests at the Gaylord National would venture in to visit the district's restaurants.

If the district loses conventioneers, it also loses revenue from the 14.5 percent lodging and sales taxes. Gaylord's hotel in the Dallas-Fort Worth area has lured many more area residents than anticipated to its restaurants and nightclub, according to the company. And a recent report by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that the proposed Gaylord hotel near San Diego would siphon off business from the city's convention center and downtown hotels. But Mr. Caparella says a significant part of the advance business booked at the Gaylord National consists of repeat customers of Gaylord hotels.

''The fact is there are conventions that take place in Washington, D.C., that are looking at our property as well,'' he said. ''But 45 percent of the business we have booked is business that already comes to our other hotels, so we're obviously bringing new business to the region.'' Mr. Jenkins says Marriott is not worried about the Gaylord National draining business from its Marriott Wardman or the convention hotel planned for the district's downtown area. ''A lot of people want to be in Washington,'' he said. ''Everyone wants to be at the center of government, and I think that all these hotel rooms are just going to unleash some pent-up demand.''

Copyright © 2006 by The New York Times Co. Reprinted with permission.

:ohno: Oh man, someone please make it stop. When will we Marylanders stop seeing each other as competition/enemies in every freaking category? It is really hurting us! Instead of thinking negative, I would open my eyes and see this as great opportunity to TAKE ADVANTAGE of and get NEW BUSINESS for Baltimore's harbor and convention center.
I agree. ONE MARYLAND, everyone.

I find it hard to believe that national harbor would compete with the Inner Harbor. It's basically a direct rip-off of Fells Point. Rumor has it that the development company is cutting corners in all the wrong places and it'll most likely end up looking like an oudoor shopping mall. Trust me. Also, remember that National Harbor will be completely privately owned and controlled by ONE COMPANY unlike REAL publicly-owned places like Inner Harbor and Fells Point. I'm just saying...

I like the idea for the National Harbor, but it's too bad there isn't any Metro access to it. You either gotta be willing to take a bus there or hop in the car. The plan right now is for the purple line to be built from Bethesda to Largo Town Center. It would be great if they're ever able to extend it further through Branch Avenue and onto the National Harbor. The entire development would be so much more enticing if it had decent rail access (though it still won't have direct access to downtown DC, you'd have to transfer from one of the main lines to the purple line).

I find it hard to believe that national harbor would compete with the Inner Harbor. It's basically a direct rip-off of Fells Point. Rumor has it that the development company is cutting corners in all the wrong places and it'll most likely end up looking like an oudoor shopping mall. Trust me. Also, remember that National Harbor will be completely privately owned and controlled by ONE COMPANY unlike REAL publicly-owned places like Inner Harbor and Fells Point. I'm just saying...
so you're saying that this ENTIRE project has taken on a new look? i didn't hear about this.

I think the National Harbor will do very well. The person who will be the GM of the project used to be the GM of the Inner Harbor.

The company IS certainly trying to get some of the appeal of the Bmore Harbor there. Thats why they recruited the GM from Harborplace in the first place. Now how well that will acutally come off will be a different story.

I think its good for the state in general so I am for it.

I like the idea for the National Harbor, but it's too bad there isn't any Metro access to it. You either gotta be willing to take a bus there or hop in the car. The plan right now is for the purple line to be built from Bethesda to Largo Town Center. It would be great if they're ever able to extend it further through Branch Avenue and onto the National Harbor. The entire development would be so much more enticing if it had decent rail access (though it still won't have direct access to downtown DC, you'd have to transfer from one of the main lines to the purple line).

Here is the Capital Area's Sierra Club version of the Purple Line, National Harbor is right there.


Sierra Club's Purple Line Map
http://www.sierraclub.org/dc/sprawl/purple-line/purple-line-map-large.html

I think the National Harbor will do very well. The person who will be the GM of the project used to be the GM of the Inner Harbor.

The company IS certainly trying to get some of the appeal of the Bmore Harbor there. Thats why they recruited the GM from Harborplace in the first place. Now how well that will acutally come off will be a different story.

I think its good for the state in general so I am for it.

Who's the GM? Peterson Cos is the owner, builder, and will be the manager. Their other properties are Downtown Silver Spring and Fairfax Corner...both completely retail projects. Sure this is different from what they've ever done but they're not going to venture out too far. Maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic. It'll be good. It won't be great though.

Who's the GM? Peterson Cos is the owner, builder, and will be the manager. Their other properties are Downtown Silver Spring and Fairfax Corner...both completely retail projects. Sure this is different from what they've ever done but they're not going to venture out too far. Maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic. I guess I have the right to be. I'm working on this project. It'll be good. It won't be great though.

"Downtown Silver Spring" is not completely retail. It's a mixed use project by PFA (Peterson, Foulger Pratt and Argo Investment). There is a significant office component that's the headquarters of the American Nurses Association and a satellite radio company called WorldSpace. There is also a residential condo component that is being marketed and about to break ground.

A Courtyard Marriott hotel and 20 screen theater anchor the West end.

The project incorporates the historic Silver Theater and shopping center from 1938 that also acts as the east coast headquarters of the American Film Institute.

Last but not least there is a Civic center with an ice skating rink close to ground breaking. Right now an Astroturf sits there that has hosted several community events upwards of 20,000 people (at just one of them).

Outside the bounds of the project is City Place Mall which is getting an office tower on top of it.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Here is the Capital Area's Sierra Club version of the Purple Line, National Harbor is right there.


Sierra Club's Purple Line Map
http://www.sierraclub.org/dc/sprawl/purple-line/purple-line-map-large.html

How many times do I have to say that there is a right-of-way for a yellow line extension across the new Woodrow Wilson bridge?

Deaf ears...

Fairfax Corner has other components too, but it is mostly retail. But still, given the scope and location of National Harbor, it has miles more potential and it will be fine from the development standpoint. If they can get the infrastructure right, than it will be a success. From a development aspect, my only concern is that it ends up looking like lots of stuff we've seen before, from an architecture standpoint, I hope they do some different things to help make it distinctive.

And a yellow line extension would be great, IMO. The purple line is great too, but I feel a yellow line wouldn't contribute to sprawl as much as a purple line. Purple line has a different purpose too. When the supervisors of development in fairfax have shown they know how to plan right, I'd be in favor of it, until then, let the other jurisdictions have it if they're ready.

"Downtown Silver Spring" is not completely retail. It's a mixed use project by PFA (Peterson, Foulger Pratt and Argo Investment). There is a significant office component that's the headquarters of the American Nurses Association and a satellite radio company called WorldSpace. There is also a residential condo component that is being marketed and about to break ground.

A Courtyard Marriott hotel and 20 screen theater anchor the West end.

The project incorporates the historic Silver Theater and shopping center from 1938 that also acts as the east coast headquarters of the American Film Institute.

Last but not least there is a Civic center with an ice skating rink close to ground breaking. Right now an Astroturf sits there that has hosted several community events upwards of 20,000 people (at just one of them).

Outside the bounds of the project is City Place Mall which is getting an office tower on top of it.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Jeez touchy much? Believe me, I know about DTSS. There's movie theatre (which I still consider retail) and some office space. No residential though. Plus most of it is made out of styrofoam product called EIFS. This is what I mean by them cheapening things.

Jeez touchy much? Believe me, I know about DTSS. There's movie theatre (which I still consider retail) and some office space. No residential though. Plus most of it is made out of styrofoam product called EIFS. This is what I mean by them cheapening things.

What's not built cheap these days? Is it specific to Downtown Silver Spring, No.

On the bright side it will be easier to reconstruct and justify redevelopment when it reaches the point in time where it needs to be redeveloped.

The Ellsworth condos I'm sure will be stick.

The quality of construction may be more important for National Harbor as it is not infill and they are basically building an entire city from the ground up. None the less it is better than a lot of developments of its size because of the urban type grid pattern. The architecture is slightly above average IMO. I just wish they would integrate more of the office component to the main strip.

Rest assured that it will be more than a retail destination, there is a significant office and residential component plus the Gaylord Hotel as just a few examples. They are trying to make it more than just restaurants and shopping, more like an amusement park. There is there for a bigger entertainment venue outside movies and eating, the only way I can put it is like the ESPN Zone .

What's not built cheap these days? Is it specific to Downtown Silver Spring, No.

On the bright side it will be easier to reconstruct and justify redevelopment when it reaches the point in time where it needs to be redeveloped.

The Ellsworth condos I'm sure will be stick.

The quality of construction may be more important for National Harbor as it is not infill and they are basically building an entire city from the ground up. None the less it is better than a lot of developments of its size because of the urban type grid pattern. The architecture is slightly above average IMO. I just wish they would integrate more of the office component to the main strip.

Rest assured that it will be more than a retail destination, there is a significant office and residential component plus the Gaylord Hotel as just a few examples. They are trying to make it more than just restaurants and shopping, more like an amusement park. There is there for a bigger entertainment venue outside movies and eating, the only way I can put it is like the ESPN Zone .

You can't just excuse away cheap buildings by saying that's how it's done anyway, so what does it matter. It makes a big difference. We have to stop building places that are only intended to last 20 years. It's a waste. That's the main problem. That temporary attitude. And with urban buildings, which can last for hundreds of years...permanence is especially important. But that's a whole different argument

Fairfax Corner has other components too, but it is mostly retail. But still, given the scope and location of National Harbor, it has miles more potential and it will be fine from the development standpoint. If they can get the infrastructure right, than it will be a success. From a development aspect, my only concern is that it ends up looking like lots of stuff we've seen before, from an architecture standpoint, I hope they do some different things to help make it distinctive.

And a yellow line extension would be great, IMO. The purple line is great too, but I feel a yellow line wouldn't contribute to sprawl as much as a purple line. Purple line has a different purpose too. When the supervisors of development in fairfax have shown they know how to plan right, I'd be in favor of it, until then, let the other jurisdictions have it if they're ready.



I'm trying to understand why anyone would consider building an "extension" of the Yellow Line to National Harbor. Now maybe if the rail connection was more or less available say on the new Woodrow Wilson Bridge, then I wouold say go for it, and then wait for the completed Purple Line to take the place of the Yellow Line extension. I won't be bullish against a Yellow Line extenstion into National Harbor, as long as the comprehensive long term idea is to eventually make it part of the Purple Line .

Not to get off the subject, because we're discussing National Harbor, but how in Hades, does a potential Purple Line contribute to sprawl???? Because it would be a in circular route, its spokes would touch existing rail stops, and create new ones, providing logical and smart opportunities for more dense TODs.

Well, I think the priority is getting metro to national harbor and potentially some other areas in PG County. If the Yellow line is the most feasible way to do it, than I say go for it. I think the purple line is inevitable so when that is done, if the yellow line extension has already occurred, it could be changed if they want.

And I don't know if you're just looking at the MD side, but the the purple line in MD is already going through very well established fairly urban areas for the most part, so it'll only help there w/ density. But the areas in VA it would go through are a bit different, they just have to be careful where they place the stops IMO.

You can't just excuse away cheap buildings by saying that's how it's done anyway, so what does it matter. It makes a big difference. We have to stop building places that are only intended to last 20 years. It's a waste. That's the main problem. That temporary attitude. And with urban buildings, which can last for hundreds of years...permanence is especially important. But that's a whole different argument

Anyway I'm designing one of the buildings at Nat'l Harbor (a restaurant) on the plaza at the water's edge. The design is pretty modern. In fact, all of the buildings are slanting more contemporary than they were in the master plan model. That's been a fairly recent change. My real question is, will they go for good materials that make the place FEEL expensive? because that makes such a difference. In the end, it's not up to me...it's up to the developer We'll see how it progresses.

I'm not sure if it will be an ESPN-Zone-kind-of-place or not. It's not clear if they're marketing to top-tier tenants yet. I don't know if I can say what restaurant i'm doing or not. I can tell you it's white table cloth and they have two other locations. One at Bryant Park in NYC and one in Georgetown.

I'm not excusing it I'm just saying it's not unique to Downtown Silver Spring, you will find it from Rosslyn to Reston and don't let me get started on those Pier Homes in Baltimore. And I'm far less concerned since people aren't living in that portion. Believe me when I say I'm the first to complain about the lack of quality construction but some of the architecture today is so lousy I'm kind of glad they aren't built to last. Even so look between the walls of homes built in the early 19th century and you are sure to find plenty of old newspaper that was used as insulation. I would love to take a bulldozer to all the rancher homes of the 50s in Montgomery County.

Outside that to the dismay of many, I think the architecture of Downtown Silver Spring and National Harbor are handsome with flavor, I am tired of the conservative/dry architecture of places like Bethesda Row and America in general. At least the archtiect tried something exciting and colorful for Downtown Silver Spring but I'm not going to go out of my way to deem them historic 50 years from now. I'm simply looking on the brightside (what can you do when it's already built?), this an argument for something better down the road.

http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Retail_Spaces/Future/future_comingSoon.jpg

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http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedimages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_c.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^i'll be the 1st to admit that i'm VERY impressed by the progress of this project so far.

It looks nice, hopefully even the water can be included more and they start to implement some new designs also.

Project looks real good. I like how it just curves along the edges of the existing neighborhood.

Thanks Mason for the pictures, construction looks sick already.

I should really post more recent pictures. Bldg E (the bottom one) is done and is currently being fitted out for the sales office (and later, McCormick Schmick's and the developers future office. Two other bldgs (B and D) will be built simulataneously and will start construction in a month.

I'm just glad we're starting to utilize the waterfront more. It's a shame the water is in such bad condition. I hope they can get a nice market down there too. I can't wait to buy a boat.

http://www.nationalharbor.com/images/img_home_headerPic.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/27/PH2005092701873.jpg

http://www.petersoncos.com/images/NH_2005_Model.jpg

They're having a new model of this built. It's gonna be a larger scale of just the area closer to the waterfront. It should be interesting to see.

i can already tell you that the buildings in the foreground....maybe with the exception of the one at the lower left of the plaza....are completely different than conceived.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/Archiconnoisseur/NationalHarborfromFoundersPark.jpg

Photo of National Harbor from Founders Park in Alexandria. Sorry about the lack of detail; I only had my cell phone camera with me.

i can already tell you that the buildings in the foreground....maybe with the exception of the one at the lower left of the plaza....are completely different than conceived.
I still can't wait to see it once it is finished. It's going to look very nice.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/Archiconnoisseur/DSCF0016_1.jpg

Taken yesterday from the Jones Point Lighthouse in Alexandria, VA.

Yes, this project is going to do very well. Goody Goddy!! It's going to be beautiful.

this project's movin' right along...........................................


http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/Construction1.jpg

http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/Construction2.jpg

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http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8940/natlhrbrmr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4390/aerial051707smallrk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^compared to the original renderings, it looks like more than 1/2 of the project's been scaled down. what happened?

^^compared to the original renderings, it looks like more than 1/2 of the project's been scaled down. what happened?

As far as I know it's always been about that size. Maybe the perspective is throwing you off.

As far as I know it's always been about that size. Maybe the perspective is throwing you off.

maybe, perhaps. that gaylord hotel sure is a beauty!!

http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedimages/Experience/bWeis_3.jpg

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/NationalNight_large.jpg
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/WestView_large.jpg
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/AerialView1_large.jpg
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/AerialView2_large.jpg
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/RiverView_large.jpg
http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordnational/images/Plaza_large.jpg

Nothing's been scaled down. They can't build every single thing at once, though--this is a project with just one developer. Did you count the number of cranes being used in that one area?

I agree with Mason that it looks like it had been scaled down. Or at least the other rending I saw was like 8 billion times better. Either way, it's incredible to see how much progress they have made already. They are working like crazy.

This project is going to be a great asset for the state of Maryland. I think the current success of the Inner Harbor and the future success of the National are going to compliment each other very well.

I can't for the project to be finish

This project is going to be a great asset for the state of Maryland. I think the current success of the Inner Harbor and the future success of the National are going to complement each other very well.

Good boost for PG County, too. Think its biggest impact will be to keep Baltimore and DC convention folks on their game. Wouldn't be surprising to see one or both privatize to stay competitive.

http://www.nationalharborliving.com/

Pricing seems pretty standard for the region as a whole.

they're really moving swiftly with this project. it'll be done in no time.

I don't know about y'all, but the shoreline looks awfully low. I wonder if they did floodstage studies, etc. All you need is one big soaking tropical storm. Ithink I saw a small beach area in the middle. I dunno, does the potomac flood that much in that area? It seems pretty wide. Maybe there won't be any affect.

It's just a model, it is a low shoreline and there will probably be more room for people so they're not all crammed right up against the water.

It's a good that PG Co. is building some kind of dense center. I would prefer if it was more residential and less entertainment oriented and if it had truly public spaces instead of being one big private development, but it's still better than having nothing. In terms of competition I think that it's more of a problem for DC 's convention business than for Baltimore.

http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_overall_day_081507.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_gaylord_080907.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_bldg_e_080907.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_bldg_j_080907.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_bldg_k_080907.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_marina_080907.jpg



http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_overall_081507.jpg

http://www.nationalharbor.com/uploadedImages/Business_Opportunities/Design_and_Construction/Design_Content/Progress_Photos/progress_bldg_e_080907.jpg

Why is Building E so different from its rendering?

it's the other end of the building. if you look closely, you can see the round end on one side, and the square end on the other.

Now that is one huge development!!

That's gotta be the most cranes I've ever seen in one place!! And I thought the collection of cranes at the Parole redevelopment was a lot.

Looks like frickin' Dubai.

Looks like frickin' Dubai.

Uhhh, I think they're a bit taller than that along the SZR.

haha, yeah, I know. Jus' sayin'.

hello folks, my future home is at One National Harbor so i was looking up what people thought about it online and found this forum. I went in to sign some addendums and they have the new scale model in the office.

Its really looking good, but they made some changes without informing the tenants of the condo section. For instance, the retail section in the front have been changed from 2 floors to 6 floors. I wonder what the people will think that bought a *water* view and now have to look at a building instead.

I have a unit right in american way and my balconies apparently have a view of the boat harbor, if there is any other urls or forums about one national harbor, i hope you all could tell me. thanks in advance.

Ps anyone else living there? :)

So you are telling us that there will be NO waterfront condos at One!?

I live 50 feet from National Harbor...but not in it

With 6 floors of retail...what's it supposed to be like a little mini mall like the one at Metro Center?

Time will tell, but there is like 18 (the corner part) of the 252 condos that will have a waterfront view. Sadly the ones to the left of those are out of luck. Most of those supposed waterfront views were sold to peterson friends and family anyways, so this is probably just a home away from home for them.