Good picture JayT!

I think Riparian looks OK in the renders. And to be totally honest, any 200m building being built in Brisbane would get my overwhelming seal of approval. After all this is the tallest building we have had since the 174m Central Plaza 1 in 1988, let's be grateful.

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I think Riparian looks OK in the renders. And to be totally honest, any 200m building being built in Brisbane would get my overwhelming seal of approval. After all this is the tallest building we have had since the 174m Central Plaza 1 in 1988, let's be grateful.</td></tr>
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agreed! ill take anything with a bit of height.

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I agree, the design looks somewhat tacky, and the variations of structure size (ie; from the office to residential parts) make it look a wee bit disjointed
I spose it doesnt really matter, cause its so huge, and will be the citys tallest;)

Ripirian is still lokking a bit short but it's growing very slowly which is what I want to see. It looks like it has just about caught up with Felix.

Is Riparian the tallest Mixed Use tower in Australia?

jt

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Riparian is onto the first level of the office section. That's level 14. Felix is onto level 24. I don't think Riparian has quite caught up with Felix yet.

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Not yet. Give it another year or so, m8. :D

I recall culwulla saying that the collins st twins in melbourne hold the title currently.

Exclusive retail opportunities announced at Riparian Plaza
Three of the best restaurant sites in Brisbane are emerging at the Seidler designed Riparian Plaza development by Bloomberg Incorporation Limited.

The $250 million 53‑level Riparian Plaza, now 18 levels out of the ground at 71 Eagle Street, will be Brisbane's first mixed use, elite, high‑rise development, and home to potentially three of the most exciting dining experiences in the country.

Scheduled for completion in 2004, Riparian Plaza features 50 luxury apartments and 30,000sqm of premium office space, expansive promenade areas as well as 11 floors of parking.... and now the exclusive retail opportunities.

The Riparian Plaza promenade and plaza areas connecting Eagle Street and adjoining properties will feature over 3,500M2 of public open space flowing down to the waters edge, seamlessly connecting the city and the river.

Bloomberg Incorporation Limited's Scott Collins said, "Riparian Plaza has dedicated 75% of its total ground area to public open space and waterfront amenity."

'Moreover, the proximity of the plaza to the river is closer than ever before achieved in Brisbane, creating an unrivalled river relationship" said, Mr Collins

Benefiting significantly from this plaza river relationship are three unique dining opportunities situated promenade, plaza and upper plaza levels.

The exclusive restaurants will provide a combination of internal and outdoor promenade and terrace dining areas, featuring a true Over front location delivering a tableside theatre of river activity.

The dedicated restaurant areas vary in size and configuration. They ' also procure high capacity exhausting enabling advanced kitchen facilities.

Such design specifications and restaurateurs amenity will no doubt entice sophisticated operations to Riparian Plaza as it sets to become the ultimate river dining precinct in Brisbane.

@chrisaus

What was the source of this article?

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in a word, YES!
the former "title" holder was maybe Sydney's 132m Central plaza which is 10 floor retail/15storey apartments/15storeys hotel!
also some people also think Collins place which is 185m/35floors office/15floors hotel . this rises from a 2 storey retail podium .
anyway harrys Riparain will be tallest mixed use for a while i reckon! 200m!!!

Take a look at <A HREF="http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/im/df/195245/">this pic.</A> The corner closest to the street looks like it is countered so pedestrians will actually walk under the corner of the building! See how it tapers back? This will be an awesome place to meet with AMP, CP1 and Comalco it's going to be a real canyon! That nightclub at Pier 9 will need a windo in the ceiling to allow people tp look up at Riparian. I'm reqally excited about this building now. I think people will fall in love with it.

I think the ramp to the car park is a terrible waste of space. It sort of defeats the purpose of having a tall building in the first place. It looks like the podium will in fact be a plaza with a atrium stc. The car park appears to start many floor up. Some people will have one of the best views of the river in Brisbane from their carpark. Couldn't they have put it underground?

no kaleb, they couldnt put it underground 'cos it's so close to the water table.

We're not complaining about the carpark, since it boosts the height!

Is the roof of the commercial portion going to be accessable? There are 2 small roof areas on the river side and a large one at the rear. It would be great for a garden or common area for the residents.

I took this from KPoint today, July 12

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparianplz2.JPG

BrissyThomas, good picture mate. From your picture, i can see that slab has been poured for the 3rd level of the office section. Did you take anymore pictures of Riparian or other construction sites?? It would be great if you can shared them with us.

nah I didn't get anymore, I was visiting a mate at Kangaroo Point, and just got this shot. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to get in there and get felix, and some others.

Looking at the base area, this building is going to be a beautiful thin structure. I'm falling in love with it before it's built! I think people will be impressed with Riparian.

Riparian does seem very skinny. Does anyone have width stats of it compared to other Brisbane buildings? Like, width vs height?

How many floors of parking is there? Will some of it be public? Are the carparking fllors covered with the cladding?

There are 11 floors of carparking. And yes thats what they are doing now, covering all the carparking levels with the cladding. I'm not quite sure about whether they are for public use or not, I'm sure after the apartments carparks and office workers carparks, there would be some public use.

Article about carparking levels, from www.riparianplaza.com.au

Innovative Car-Parking Continues Its Assent
July 2003

The aboveground car-parking element of Riparian Plaza continues its progression with all 11 levels now structurally complete and the installation of the reconstituted granite facade panels well underway.

The Riparian Plaza facade at parking level is made up of an intricate assembly of 368 panels each 2 storeys in height. Each reconstituted panel is designed specifically for its position on the facade and consequently carefully placed and secured to the structure.

The preliminary placement of these panels some weighing more than 3,000kg in weight can be seen now as part of the on site activity. Eventually the refined positioning of the panels and the installation of accessory metal fins, will contribute importantly to the passive ventilation function of the car parking facade, while artistically shaping the lower portion of Riparian Plaza's tripartite elevation.

Beyond the facade Riparian Plaza creates a functionally unique parking facilitiy designed to meet the security and convenience needs of both tenants and residents. The entire 11 floors above ground produce a high quality arrangement of large single bayson a column free floor plate.

Mutliple panning security surveillance and panic call points will intregate with central security on every parking level to procure a high level of personal and property security 24 hours a day, all above ground and flood free - notwithstanding its riverside location.

How high would the core be at present and how high would the floorplates be?

These were taken today 13 July

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian1307031.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian1307032.JPG

Today's photos. All taken from the river side with shots of the piling and riverside plaza area.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian1.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian2.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian3.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian4.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian5.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay/13julriparian6.JPG

i think seidler has done well with the car park on riparian. I think it looks pretty nice! although, those panels are glossy aren't they? not painted concrete?!?

"passive ventilation system" - What, you mean windows Harry?

I hope that they do something with that blank side wall of the Riverside Centre building.
On Duke's fourth pic it looks like there are existing articulated columns and infill panels of conc block - which could perhaps be converted to columns and windows.
I bet that was Harry's original intention when he designed Riverside Centre.

whats with the gaping hole in the side of riverside centre near the water, ive always been intruiged by that. in the 4th Pic. i dont mind this building actually, it should age well and be a nice feature on the skyline

I wish I was in Brisbane right now to watch the construction of this. You must get a great view from Rowers and Fridays. I can just see myself there now, amongst all the lovely Queensland girls too of course.

Originally posted by MonsourD

whats with the gaping hole in the side of riverside centre near the water, ive always been intruiged by that. in the 4th Pic. i dont mind this building actually, it should age well and be a nice feature on the skyline
That hole near the water was designed to allow a future freeway allingnment to go through which never eventuated - thank goodness.

jt

Originally posted by Noonos

i think seidler has done well with the car park on riparian. I think it looks pretty nice! although, those panels are glossy aren't they? not painted concrete?!?

Im pretty sure the panels are Granite!
And yeah, it sure will be good for Brisbanes skyline, nice stuff!!:cool:

Hi JayT, can you give me a bit more information on that freeway alignment. Was there once a plan to run traffic along the river there?

FUCK! Anyone got an image host that works? I've got some shots of Riparian base concrete formwork and the car-park cladding but my cunting image host is fucked!

Originally posted by Aussie Bhoy

Hi JayT, can you give me a bit more information on that freeway alignment. Was there once a plan to run traffic along the river there?
I don't know much about it only that it was to be similar to the riverside expressway.
Thank goodness they did not build it.

jt

I read something in the "City News" I think about Pier 9 restaurants only having their leases renewed for 3 years. AMP have built a demolition clause into the leases. Maybe this means Pier 9 will be demolished and a new Building will be there in a few years time. Anyone know anything more concrete than this??

Taken Wednesday 16 July

Three under construction here. From left, Felix, River and Riparian.
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Riparian base from the river.
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/60/40446958.jpg
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/60/40446972.jpg

The boardwalk under construction.
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/50/40446965.jpg

Close up of cladding surrounding the carpark levels. It looks like polished concrete.
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/60/40446979.jpg

The base concrete formwork is spectacular. I saw 3 of these twisting corner pillars but I guess there are 4. They look a little like some basework on Riverside which has polished granite tiles over the concrete. The ground floor plaza looks like it will consist of a reception with elevators inside a large open area surrounded by glass with these artistic pillars adding to the atmosphere.
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/60/40446986.jpg

Good to see shots from new angles. Nice work Kaleb!

Originally posted by kaleb777
Close up of cladding surrounding the carpark levels. It looks like polished concrete.
http://202.92.120.165/Photo55/193872/60/40446979.jpg

I think they are Granite panels!

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Generally I like brisbane's new wave of architecture but this one is typical Seidler crap. :bash:

despite the abundance of criticism, i actually quite like this tower!

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2994/4692994ml1058849028.jpg
It's getting bigger!

More Cranes
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4667/4704667ml1058251922.jpg

jt

Wow, it's flying up. No complaints about the speed of construction now.

Looks like the core has risen heaps.

yeah its moved up heaps, i havent really even noticed the core rises, ive been intriuged by the marble/granite panneling going on it i guess

since there on to the flat floor plates now it should start moving up faster, but then again we say that everytime it gets faster. but in reality it should start moving faster now. the panneling looks great from that photo there Jayt, this building is looking better every day

Image taken today, 26 July
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/rip1607031.JPG

Possibly the best photo yet!

At the risk of sounding glib, the core finally appears to be moving along well.

It may be hard to pinpoint the progress (since the office structure rises concurrently) but its getting there!!

How long will it be roughly till we see Riparian at Comalcos house level?

Im suprised that 11 floors of carparks will have riverfront views!


i would have preffered this building to be further away from the river and allowed a building that makes full use of its river front position in its place.


only in brisbane! lol

danubis

Originally posted by Danubis

i would have preffered this building to be further away from the river and allowed a building that makes full use of its river front position in its place.


The tower is turned at 45 degrees to the river, to maximise the views up and down the river. Also, there will be retail and public space at the base...so I disagree with you on that.

The tower looks like it has barely being rising, even with the recent rises in the core and floorplates.

What floor of the office space are they now up to ?

there only just started on the office levels, if you look at the most recent picture you can notice a 2/3 story gap between levels towards the top. that gap is is the divide between the car parks and the office levels

Taken today, the number at the top (out of frame) says they are working on floor 17

http://loa.ausgamers.com/Images/riperian.jpg

It's coming along very nicely, I reckon this'll end up being one of Brissy's best once completed.

hmm look how good the granite/marble panels look reflecting in the sun, not so dull and boring there.

see the corner of riparian facing us how it has a 45degree indent, what is that? and is that going to be coverec hidden or something?

Taken today 2 August
Not much has changed since my last pic, more granite has crept up the facade.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian0208031.JPG

well another floor has been added and the core's risen a bit.

great pics brizzy and dorgien

Originally posted by MonsourD
hmm look how good the granite/marble panels look reflecting in the sun, not so dull and boring there.

see the corner of riparian facing us how it has a 45degree indent, what is that? and is that going to be coverec hidden or something?

It'll be staying exactly how it is. Its another beautiful Seidler detail. Riparian is easily going to be the best of all the towers built over the next few years.

I think that a lot of the people who have knocked Riparian during our discussions over the past two years, will be eating their own words when this classy tower is finished.

Originally posted by MonsourD
hmm look how good the granite/marble panels look reflecting in the sun, not so dull and boring there.

see the corner of riparian facing us how it has a 45degree indent, what is that? and is that going to be coverec hidden or something?
From the render, you can see that it will be staying like it is, uncovered!
From the render is is from the other side of the tower, I imagine it would be exactly the same on the Eagle street frontage aswell

http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT01.jpg

I hope they run a light up the 45degree corner angle thingy. I think this building needs to have green lighting. There's enough red and blue in Brisbane.

[i]I think that a lot of the people who have knocked Riparian during our discussions over the past two years, will be eating their own words when this classy tower is finished. [/B]

And if you believe that you would have to believe anything.

If classy looks like a tower in Beiruit with concrete cancer then this is pure class. The only thing that seems constant is the stupidity of councils to pass these style crimes. It's incredible how such ugly crap can get passed for such a prominent position. It will be no better than blues point tower.

The tower only has a single nice design element, that being the shape of the indented top section from the rear of the tower. The tower should have followed this wavey shape from roof to ground and it might have redeemed itself somewhat. The front top section (facing the river) is complex and busy looking, almost incongruous with the trademark bauhaus-modernist look of the bottom of the tower. This thing is a mishmash of design and a real shame for seidler... it is perhaps his worse and most disjointed skyscraper ever. It has no basic theme pulling it all together other than concrete. The shape and form does not sit well as it changes from commercial to residential, it almost appears as if two differing shortened towers were fused together with some bondcrete, and little thought.

Sorry Brisbanites this tower is no match for Waterfront Place, AMP, or Comalco (which it most unfortunately hides). :(

I am not trying to steal the pride of new tall tower, I am just upset in knowing it is not a masterpiece which is what Brisbane deserves. A glassy curtain wall creation with a harmonious link to the other three glassy big ones near it would have been so much nicer, something slender and stylish not bulky and bland.

nah still looks shocking imo.
esp. seems its one of the most visable sites in the city

looks like its riparian bashing season again

Most of the bashing seems to be from non-Brisbane people. Us locals are just too happy to have a 200m tower to have a go at it.

I like it :)

I reckon it will surprise everyone. Those of us that have been taken control of by this Anti-Seidlerism will be impossible to sway, however. His recent work such as Cove and North is Kick ass, and im lookin forward to this one! Shame the facade isnt silver tho :(

This is a fucking great skyscraper!! the shape, materials, facade ect ect... Brisbane will be home to one of the finest skyscrapers in Australia- RIPARIAN PLAZA! Seidlers a genious!
This will easily be Brissys best scraper!
I cant workout why some people are never happy with new innovative designs???
ALso its not often Australia, let alone Brisbane gets a 200m "to roof" skyscraper!!!

:guns1: :cool: :cheers:

I agree. The thing that will make this tower is the base to height ratio. It's a real slender tower. Personally I hate the AMP and Comalco towers. Glass facades are so passe. We want to see the floor levels!

Anyone know if the speed of construction is supposed to pick up?

Originally posted by Avatar
And if you believe that you would have to believe anything.

If classy looks like a tower in Beiruit with concrete cancer then this is pure class. The only thing that seems constant is the stupidity of councils to pass these style crimes. It's incredible how such ugly crap can get passed for such a prominent position. It will be no better than blues point tower.

The tower only has a single nice design element, that being the shape of the indented top section from the rear of the tower. The tower should have followed this wavey shape from roof to ground and it might have redeemed itself somewhat. The front top section (facing the river) is complex and busy looking, almost incongruous with the trademark bauhaus-modernist look of the bottom of the tower. This thing is a mishmash of design and a real shame for seidler... it is perhaps his worse and most disjointed skyscraper ever. It has no basic theme pulling it all together other than concrete. The shape and form does not sit well as it changes from commercial to residential, it almost appears as if two differing shortened towers were fused together with some bondcrete, and little thought.

Sorry Brisbanites this tower is no match for Waterfront Place, AMP, or Comalco (which it most unfortunately hides). :(

I am not trying to steal the pride of new tall tower, I am just upset in knowing it is not a masterpiece which is what Brisbane deserves. A glassy curtain wall creation with a harmonious link to the other three glassy big ones near it would have been so much nicer, something slender and stylish not bulky and bland.

I disagree, AMP and Comalco are shockers. Waterfront Place isn't much better. Brisbane needs high rse which has a SEQ regionalist quality. That doesn't mean glass facades, it doesn't mean palm tree architecture (which waterfront, comalco and AMP are) It needs deep shadows, vivid green fig trees, elegant twisting forms, slight brutalist tendencies (meaning a use of materials which reflect local economic realities), a touch of eclecticism, a celebration of tactile textures, and most of all adherence to ESD principes. This is what our vernacular domestic style is about, and it should be these qualites which extend into the CBD and into high rise design. We don't need international style shit!

IMO The riverside offered all these qualities - the only real Brisbane skyscraper in Brisbane. When I stand at the base of Riverside centre I know that I am in Brisbane, whereas when I am anywhere in the city I feel I could be practically anywhere. To me Riaprian has a real good chance to embody all these same principles, and become Brisbane's second 'real' skyscraper.

To really appreciate this building you need to understand Brisbane. Don't knock this building because its a Seidler. That is very narrow minded attitude. Have you considered that perhaps you just don't understand what Seidler is trying to do in Riparian. I can't claim to know his intentions exactly either, however I'm prepared to think that perhaps his designs can mean different things in diferent places. And to me, many locals, as well as the architectural proffession, Seidler's work means a lot in Brisbane.

saw riparin today from the story bridge and all the facade panneling for the car park is almost complete with some panels already reaching the two story gap part. Its really starting to look good riparian, doesnt look like bare cement from the river either.

and i really like riparian's design he is one of the first architects in brisbane to realise that its is a sub tropical sity that reaches some rediculous temperatures at times. and the fact that his incorporated this into the design of the building will help this building age more gracefully the any other building in australia along with the very neutral color scheme and hardy material used in construction. im sure the people working in the offices and paying for the airconditioning of this building are going to be grateful that he used some simple principles in the design of this building.

There is a new crane today.
jt

I think now that they have got to the office levels, IMO i think it will go quite fast now, faster than we have witnessed anyway.

The carpark section of this tower is a spiral, right?

I’m having problems with typing this at uni (comes up with run time error) spastic thing!

Anyhow as I was trying to say there is a new crane at Riparian. I had a look at the base today along the riverside and its taking shape quite nicely.
The new Promenade is taking shape and juts quite far out into the river. This should be good for views. There are low rise buildings about to start construction at the base of Riparian – or at least that’s how it looks. The crane is at the base and they look like they are continuing the low rise section of the Riverside Centre.

IMO the continuation of Seidler’s Riverside Centre low rise section with its shopping/ cafes and restaurants will be amazing and will complete the area. Riparian and Riverside will look as if they were built for each other – twins if you like.

Things are really beginning to take shape down there and the more I see the more I like.

jt

Originally posted by SydneyDude
The carpark section of this tower is a spiral, right?
Im not quite sure what u mean, the carpark section is the first 11 floors.
Do u mean the helix/spiral ramp that goes onto the carpark? If so like i said its only a ramp entry/exit.

noo i meant is the whole carpark an actual spiral going up the whole 11 floors? A bit like the Sydney Opera house car park

Originally posted by SydneyDude
noo i meant is the whole carpark an actual spiral going up the whole 11 floors? A bit like the Sydney Opera house car park
It looked like it was when it was being built. I am pretty sure the entire car park section is a spiral. You drive in on the 2nd or 3rd level and go around and around till you reach the top.
jt

I'm beginning to come around to this tower myself..it'll actually look fairly impressive in the overall skyline, certainly give Brisbane an 'icon' :cool:

It's going to be odd on the lifts and in the foyer with suits going to work mixing with residents in shorts and T-shirt's getting the shopping in, etc.

Originally posted by Aussie Bhoy
It's going to be odd on the lifts and in the foyer with suits going to work mixing with residents in shorts and T-shirt's getting the shopping in, etc.

My understanding is that the res tenants have their own lifts and enter the building in the part facing the river, and the business tenants have their own designated lifts - entry is facing the road.

correct me if im wrong

Danubis

Originally posted by Brizbane2
I disagree, AMP and Comalco are shockers. Waterfront Place isn't much better. Brisbane needs high rse which has a SEQ regionalist quality. That doesn't mean glass facades, it doesn't mean palm tree architecture (which waterfront, comalco and AMP are) It needs deep shadows, vivid green fig trees, elegant twisting forms, slight brutalist tendencies (meaning a use of materials which reflect local economic realities), a touch of eclecticism, a celebration of tactile textures, and most of all adherence to ESD principes. This is what our vernacular domestic style is about, and it should be these qualites which extend into the CBD and into high rise design. We don't need international style shit!

IMO The riverside offered all these qualities - the only real Brisbane skyscraper in Brisbane. When I stand at the base of Riverside centre I know that I am in Brisbane, whereas when I am anywhere in the city I feel I could be practically anywhere. To me Riaprian has a real good chance to embody all these same principles, and become Brisbane's second 'real' skyscraper.

To really appreciate this building you need to understand Brisbane. Don't knock this building because its a Seidler. That is very narrow minded attitude. Have you considered that perhaps you just don't understand what Seidler is trying to do in Riparian. I can't claim to know his intentions exactly either, however I'm prepared to think that perhaps his designs can mean different things in diferent places. And to me, many locals, as well as the architectural proffession, Seidler's work means a lot in Brisbane.

Well we all like different aesthetics and design movements, but I am not going to back down on my opinion of Riparian. I simply find it a grotesque monstrosity, no amount of arguement over design intention, semiotics or personal interpretation will make me see it in any alternative light. It is simply not an attractive addition to the waterfront. I really don't care if it's some functional interpretation where form follows basic utilitarian function and ideals. If he was trying to acheive a mate for Riverside then he has somewhat achieved his goal.

Contrary to what many may think, I am not anti Seidler, I actually like a couple of his towers, but I think that design is very much a product of the times and in this case I would say he is still clingling to his Bauhaus design principles which reached their height in popularity during the mid 20th century. Walter Gropius and Marcel Breuer would have a smile on their faces.


I would rather the more generic flavour of international style with non-descript curtain wall creations or post modern interpretations of "QLD style" than this ode to 1950s modernism. It is not horrific but it lacks design cohesion. Modifications may have made for a better design.

IMO, Riparian is great. What a like about it is that its different. Glass gets boring. Brisbane has too many big glass towers in that part of town, and another one would just make it look so weird and unbalanced compared to the rest of the city.

Its not concrete, so It would be good if people stop referring to it as the 'concrete monster'. Its granite, will shine in the light, it gives the tower a distinct flavour.

The renders are crap IMO. Bloomberg/whoever never released decent renders. Its obvious that even the ones on the official site are wrong, as the tower is not that colour.

Love it or hate it, it is still a great tower for Brisbane. Its not like everyday we hear of 200m mixed use tower being built!
It will also be the tallest mixed use tower, IMO I LOVE IT, I can;t get enough...

Taken today, Sunday August 10
http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian1008031.JPG

Its also surprising, now that it is getting taller, the corebox is sneaking into view, from different locations far away.

Looks great, and it also looks massive.

Is it quite slow because its columnless?

That last pic probably isn't the best to judge from, but the core looks kinda large. How much usable floor space is there on each level?

Originally posted by yob
That last pic probably isn't the best to judge from, but the core looks kinda large. How much usable floor space is there on each level?
I think it is 1200sqm, from 2 things. It was reported that Clayton Utz was taking 5500sqm over 4 and a half floors. (5500/4.5=1222sqm), another thing, whole office space is 30,000sqm, over 25 floors (30000/25=1200sqm)

So its just a guess, but it looks like 1200sqm per floor.

It's gained a bit of weight too. The fatter, the better.

That's what I always say Fabian, but for different Freudian reasons ;)

BTW For those who haven't already viewed and/or who are interested, there are office floor plans @ www.riparianplaza.com.au. - for both low-rise office levels 14-22 and the high-rise, 23-38. Although there is a disclaimer stating "Subject to change".

Also from seidler.net.au.....

High-rise office floor plan:

http://seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT04.jpg

and apartment floor plan:

http://seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT05.jpg

the riparian will be 50m across seen from head on (river) so its same width as sydney's MLC. but side on its only 38m. so it will look huge from front and quite slender from side on!
jeez, doesnt the residential section look like Horizons floor design?? which is a good thing!!
btw, great pic brissythomas!! keep em coming!
also just worked out from plan current height to core box- level 21
81.75m so its only a few metres under city hall clock tower height! (86m)

Originally posted by CULWULLA
jeez, doesnt the residential section look like Horizons floor design?? which is a good thing!!Sure does! Oh well, it is Seidler. You know...a copy here, a copy over there.

Horizon's typical floor plan:

http://seidler.net.au/graphics/012_DT03.jpg

Originally posted by museumb
That's what I always say Fabian, but for different Freudian reasons ;)

BTW For those who haven't already viewed and/or who are interested, there are office floor plans @ www.riparianplaza.com.au. - for both low-rise office levels 14-22 and the high-rise, 23-38. Although there is a disclaimer stating "Subject to change".

Also from seidler.net.au.....

High-rise office floor plan:

http://seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT04.jpg

and apartment floor plan:

http://seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT05.jpg

So the residential levels have 2 elevators and the office floors 6. There are 2 vacant spaces on the office floors below the elevator bank so it looks like the elevators will all run side by side although the residentials will skip all office floors.

Originally posted by MonsourD
there only just started on the office levels, if you look at the most recent picture you can notice a 2/3 story gap between levels towards the top. that gap is is the divide between the car parks and the office levels

Its a massive gap. From the renders it looked smaller.

. From the renders it looked smaller.

lest hope that same principle stands for the whole building

from where i live @ Hamilton, its a race between Felix and Riparian and atm Felix is winning !

Slow & steady wins the race though when Riparian will top out at 200m

They are up to level 18.

^^

You talking bout Riparian? The carpark is only 11 levels up, that means its almost doubled in like 3 weeks.

Or do you mean the core?

^^

I think we can safely say he meant the corebox is up to level 18!!!

hmmm. I drove past it so, it was a bit hard to see while driving as well. They have done several office floors. I just remember seeing a big "18". It could be the height of the corebox...

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2574/1992574ml1061536106.jpg

Its starting to get up there!
jt

That pic you posted is from a really good angle JayT - where abouts in this view of the skyline will Aurora and Emerald rise?

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2574/1992574ml1061536106.jpg

They will rise up around these areas.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pb1e096c68dccb6caf23a8ddb9b54f95a/fb4c500c.jpg

jt
edited by cul

is that felix next to waterfront place or something different UC ?

Originally posted by chrisaus
is that felix next to waterfront place or something different UC ?

yep thats felix which is also starting to look pretty impressive

That pic makes Brisbane look so dense, eveything just seems to tight.

Originally posted by Rusty
That pic makes Brisbane look so dense, eveything just seems to tight.

toight loik a toiga

Originally posted by hoffburger
yep thats felix which is also starting to look pretty impressive

FELIX is looking impressive. Sadly it look rather short next to Waterfront Place even though it'll be the tallest residential building in Brissy when complete.

In the above photo i've noticed another tower crane on the right hand side of riparian is this where the entrance to the parking levels will be built ?

Originally posted by FAVELLE
In the above photo i've noticed another tower crane on the right hand side of riparian is this where the entrance to the parking levels will be built ?
yep! the circular structure will rise at its side.

Originally posted by JayT
They will rise up around these areas.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pb1e096c68dccb6caf23a8ddb9b54f95a/fb4c500c.jpg

jt
edited by cul

Thanks for that JayT! Brisbane is gonna be very impressive! :D

NEWS FLASH!!

Hi Guys, just wanted to tell you all there are new rendering posters located at the southern end of the riverside concource where its blocked off. They detail very well what the concource section will look like when finished and it lookes very excellent!

There is also a much clearer rendering of the tower which shows the sunshades on the facade. They are "boxy" and look like they are made of metal or glass! More likely metal as they are glossy and will be reflective!

The balconies on the residential section also look quite reflective/glossy.

I am getting to like this building more and more.

jt

Saw that today, and i agree that it looks great. Blew away any reservations I had about riparian.

I was even more impressed by the onsite renderings of Brisbane square (particularly the one from victoria bridge) - hadnt expected cross bracing on the facade!

OOOh! I'll go look at that after class!
jt

^^

Can you please get some pics of the renders?

Here we go...

These are from this morning (30/08/03). Looks as though they're still plodding along... up to office level 6 now.

http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip1.jpg

http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip2.jpg

Hello defec8R and welcome to the forum! Great shots, very sharp. Its going to look very modern, I cant wait to get up there early next year.

Hi Sydneydude. Actually I've posted before under another name (slinker) but forgotten the login password since last Windows reinstall.

By early next year Riparian should own AMP, Comalco and maybe Riverside Centre...

wowee, fantastic pics

Sorry guys, but this building does nothing for me. Way too much exposed concrete for my liking. I'm not that wrapped in the design either. Especially in the upper levels.

Now if they covered it in glass, I might change my opinion.

Wow, great pics.

The last time I post I made mention of the fact that they were on level 18... I knew it.

I've just noticed there is an extra 20 ft jib section in the crane on the left dont know how long its been there though probably use this crane to erect the aerial/spire :)

Originally posted by Richo
Sorry guys, but this building does nothing for me. Way too much exposed concrete for my liking. I'm not that wrapped in the design either. Especially in the upper levels.

Now if they covered it in glass, I might change my opinion.

The only reason why theres exposed concrete is coz its UC. When its complete it will have no exposed concrete. That white facade over the carpark is actually massive solid granite blocks.

It reminds me of Aon in Chicago. This white tower is going to be brilliant imo. Sure blue glass towers are nice, but there is more to the world of skyscrapers than blue reflective glass!

Cheers

Remember they are cladding it in the same way they did with Cove Apartments in Sydney. It won't be cladded white but for some reason will look white when viewed from a distance

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p9f935c8283ca8447de7707056eeea82c/fba574b5.jpg

This is the render of the riverfront plaza area.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/31augriparian1.JPG


...and this is the plaza area today.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/31augriparian2.JPG

Also noticed that there is a third crane being erected. From the position it will be used to construct the carpark ramp and the plaza area.

Originally posted by defec8R
Here we go...

These are from this morning (30/08/03). Looks as though they're still plodding along... up to office level 6 now.

http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip1.jpg

http://server4.vnpages.net/~one/bne/rip2.jpg
Fantastic Photos. I am liking this building more and more. I will be interestied to see what the window shades are made of because in the rendering they look like metal boxes. Could be quite reflective in the mornings.

jt

as much as this building is growing on me, i still have issue with the bottom area of it, where the concrete columns are, by the look of the renders, they're gonna stay like that when its all finished.... looks rather 'unfinished' to me....

Did anyone watch seven news last night either in Sydney or Brisbane?

They interviewed this guy on the banks of the Brisbane River and in the background they had the rising tower and felix.

Originally posted by Fabian
Did anyone watch seven news last night either in Sydney or Brisbane?

They interviewed this guy on the banks of the Brisbane River and in the background they had the rising tower and felix.
i saw felix too!
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/felix/f2.gif

Originally posted by defec8R
Hi Sydneydude. Actually I've posted before under another name (slinker) but forgotten the login password since last Windows reinstall.

By early next year Riparian should own AMP, Comalco and maybe Riverside Centre...

Hahaha, own AMP and Comalco ... what drugs have you been smoking?

Harry wishes it could look so good. ;)

Originally posted by Avatar
Hahaha, own AMP and Comalco ... what drugs have you been smoking?

Harry wishes it could look so good. ;)

who 'smokes' their drugs these days, how passe

"I never thought you'd be a junkie
because heroin is so passe, hey..."

Even if you think it's ugly, at least Riparian will kind of match the Riverside Centre, appearance-wise. We already have AMP+Comalco and Central Plaza 1+2. Riparian and Riverside will make a third 'pair' from this angle (thanks to Orodreth):

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian1008031.JPG

Yes well heroin is passe, I would agree with that. Yes some people still smoke their drugs, including crystal so smoking is not yet that out of date. I guess we should not be suggesting methods of drug injestion in a Riparian thread ;)

It is true Riparian will bring about a mate for Riverside as I have stated previously, but just becasue you have one ugly child does not mean you should produce another.

Taken today 6 September 2003

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian0609031.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian0609032.jpg

again bt, we appreciate your updates.

riparian always looks deceptively short at close range, but cop a look from the storey bridge or charlotte street (under 111 george street is ideal) and you get a better sense of its scale.

The carpark's cladding must be almost complete now, except for the areas blocked by the cranes.

Something appears to be poking out of a carpark's 'slit' in the 2nd foto?

It looks like its getting there slowly but surely.

however, i am not too fond of the carpark cladding section of the tower, :wtf:

however, i will reserve my judgement untill its completed.

cheers

lozza

I quite like the base of it. The area near the river is going to be very people friendly. There is lots of room for the markets as well and that water wall - That will be stunning if its anything like the one in Roma Street Parklands.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/31augriparian1.JPG

jt

All I can say is that its going to be incredibly funny when the next flood comes going by that pic...

Well they do say on the offical Riparian site that the car park is 'flood free'. (Unlike the Riverside Centre)

:angel1:

Anyone got any new pics or updates?

I seen Riparian the other day on Channel 9's weather skycam, and it looked as though the actual tower had surpassed half way up Riverside, with the core being quite a bit higher.

Rusty, I thought you LIVED in brisbane!

Whats more, if you just saw it on the news, why do you need to see it again? Just look at one of the pics that was posted say, a fortnight ago, and imagine a couple of extra floors on the core and office section...

Originally posted by oztraelian
Rusty, I thought you LIVED in brisbane!

Whats more, if you just saw it on the news, why do you need to see it again? Just look at one of the pics that was posted say, a fortnight ago, and imagine a couple of extra floors on the core and office section...
Here Here!

I usually only go out 1 maybe 2 times in a month, and that is on a weekend. And the other forumers post pictures heaps
Stop being impatient!

Here is a nice shot taken Tuesday 25 Sep 2003.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p255a86795ab027e8de1ce66885657da7/fb011434.jpg

Here is a better - but BIGGER one !!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pfb3d1bd55865775eb462740437207b40/fb01074c.jpg.orig.jpg

What the f*ck..... ?? Well that was f*ckin' good wasn't it........................ !!!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pfb3d1bd55865775eb462740437207b40/fb01074c.jpg

Jesus Christ........... I give up. Just imagine the photo 10 times bigger !!!!!!!!

Great idea NCC1701D!

Now that Riparian is starting to get up there, we can start taking photo series from other areas within the city grid - to document its growing visual and physical impact.

(BTW I also agree that Enterprise D is the best of the line)

Look..... sorry for all the posts..... but now that Big picture seems to work...... Sh*t I hate computers, especially work ones that won't let you do anything on them (i reckon that's why i couldn't post it b4)..... So, for some it might work for others it mighten......

Wow, I never thought I'd say this but Riparian is really starting to look damn tall.

Its certainly grown heaps in the last couple weeks. Excellent angle.

It's ok NCC1701D I can see the Big Pic and its awsome. Great Photo.
Its work copying the big pictures URL into your browser and then just going to it. After that it pops up right away.

HUGE PIC.

JT

Yeah I like that angle too. I walk past it every morning and have a look.... looks tall from that angle too. I seem to have a problem posting pics on this forum, my normal pics are too small and my big pics won't show. Will this forum only take Jpeg's or will it take TIF files also???.

Originally posted by NCC1701D
Yeah I like that angle too. I walk past it every morning and have a look.... looks tall from that angle too. I seem to have a problem posting pics on this forum, my normal pics are too small and my big pics won't show. Will this forum only take Jpeg's or will it take TIF files also???.
only jpegs and gifs. you can post a link for the pdf files.

I can see the bigger image now

It looks great at the larger size

up to level 23? and core about 29? have i counted right?

How tall will it be at the end of the year???

Can we work it out?

14 weeks to end of year and its going up at a rate of about 1 floor a week - rough estimate.

So we could have a building thats 37 levels and 43 to top of core??????


I just want to know what we will have by christmas/new year.

jt

Yesterday Arvo I went to BCC customer centre where the city town model is. I hadn't been there for about 2 years so I wanted to see what it would look like with all the new development. I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH RIPARIAN STOOD OUT LIKE DOGS BALLS, It is really going to stand out from the crowd at the moment.

I noticed they didn't have Aurora there, but had the site across the road from Adrenalin up !!

where is the bcc customer centre? i wanna hava look at this town model... have never seen it b4...

Underneath the Brisbane City Council Building. On the corners of Ann, George and Adelaide Street. There is a library right next to it and there is a food court beside it also.

Taken today, 27 September 03

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian2709031.jpg

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian2709032.jpg

Riparian is really taking off now. It has risen significantly over the past month.

Next time someone is near the Story Bridge, can they take a pic from that angle?

You really get to see the scale of it from the bridge, with all the buildings surrounding it. Its amazing. I'd take a pic if I had a camera...

It was be great if someone could, even from just the other side of the river.

Thanks, .

Originally posted by Rusty
Next time someone is near the Story Bridge, can they take a pic from that angle?

You really get to see the scale of it from the bridge, with all the buildings surrounding it. Its amazing. I'd take a pic if I had a camera...

It was be great if someone could, even from just the other side of the river.

Thanks, .
Well ur not goin to get it from me, u get the pictures that I take or not at all, other forumers can satisfy ur requests

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you actually took the time to count how many times people have posted on this thread??? lol!! :D

Originally posted by SydneyDude
you actually took the time to count how many times people have posted on this thread??? lol!! :D

No its a special feature I just discovered! Click the number of posts on the thread heading.

BTW this is my 1001 post!

jt

I'm the second highest poster! Hehe Riparian is my fav development.

It is taking its sweet ass time.... 100 weeks they said.... 100 weeks.

Now that its getting taller, I can see a far bit of the corebox rom the oval on Riding Road, Balmoral, right near my apartment.

There are alot of other places which is is sneaking into view, from far away.

Taken today from Holman Street ferry terminal at Kangaroo Point.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/5octriparian.JPG

Was up in brisbane last week....riparian looked good froma distance...

sorry to be completly ignorant but what is the one u/c to the left in that pic duke?

Thats Felix, whats the one UC to the right though?

Thats Felix, whats the one UC to the right though?
Tocc, if you're talking about the one wedged right beside the Riverside centre - than I think it's the tower they're building on top of MacArthur chambers on the cnr of Edward and Queen.

Taken today, 12 October 2003.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/sdlennon/riparian1210031.jpg

Taken today from the other side!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/12octriparian.JPG

OMG, is that a window!!!

jt

wow cool pix guys. progressing like a mutha fuca. Im just looking at my elevation of Riaparian and it looke like the core has reached level 24 or 95m above grd. So still 1-2 floors to go to half way.

Went past Riparian thismorning, the new bit of facade depicted in the picture has grown. It looks like there will be alot more glass in this building than we first though. Floor to roof black glass with contrasting polished light granite/concrete sections.

It it very different from any of the pictures I have seen.

Looks Great.

The Metal sunshades are only going on two sides so the other two sides will be almost glass which will look great next to Waterfront Place.

jt

Won't it look odd that half the building is covered in these sunshaes, and the other half isnt? Especially considering the symetry of the design.

Originally posted by m01lim
Won't it look odd that half the building is covered in these sunshaes, and the other half isnt? Especially considering the symetry of the design.
harry designs his scrapers by the way of the sun!lol
he uses the natural elements to assist in the towers rotation/facade elements.

Originally posted by m01lim
Won't it look odd that half the building is covered in these sunshaes, and the other half isnt? Especially considering the symetry of the design.

Seidler's Riverside centre in Bris doesn't have sunshades on all sides either

Originally posted by m01lim
Won't it look odd that half the building is covered in these sunshaes, and the other half isnt? Especially considering the symetry of the design.
This is a pic to show that Riverside Centre doesn't have shades on all sides.

You can see shades on one side, and just glass on the other.
http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/08/210436.jpg

Hmm that certainly is wierd, I can't believe I didn't even notice that. But still Riparian is in such a prominent position and it's so tall and clearly visible...its screams look at me. I'm still a bit worried about this.

An intersting fact that I learnt in a 3rd year environmental technology subject at UNI is that originally sunshades were specified by Seidler for all sides of Riverside Centre. They were even fabricated. However they were never attached to the southern side of the building as part of a late cost cutting exercise. I think I remember our lecturer saying that they were used on another tower somewhere - cant remember where though.

The shades were used to fine effect on 111 george street.

I noticed some new facade glass and shades are now on the northern side of the tower.

This could change fast!!

The shades on Riparian look identical to those used on the riverside ctr.
jt

Taken today. Riparian making its presence known. Taken from George Street looking down Charlotte Street.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/25octriparian.JPG

the bottom 2 levels of the commercial section now have their glass facade in place now, dosnt look to bad and gives you a better idea how its going to look overall.

Exactly how far ahead or behind is Riparian with it's planned schedule of contruction? Also, at what sort of rate is Riparian going up, and what month is it due to be completed?

Photos taken today.

Second and third photos show sun screens over windows on left hand corner.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian1.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian2.JPG

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/1novriparian3.JPG