This is the official Riparian Plaza Brisbane construction thread.

Anything you want to know or add about Riparian do it here - Tays idea;)

I may as well go first.

I took a walk this afternoon, um yesterday afternoon and noticed that there had been a bit of action at the Riparian site.

Fistly I had to crane my neck to see the top - it seems to have jumped about 8 metres I would estemate. The scaffold and stuff around the core has also moved up since I last saw, about a week ago.
This is quite a change considering it hasn't been doing much for the last few months.

I also noticed that collums were starting to rise on the outside of the building and scaffold has been erected for concrete pours. These would be about 10 to 15 metres high and really bulk up the site. Several collums nearly go the full height.

Well thats the start of it.

JayT

for those who want dimensions/heights ect, here they are>>>


HEIGHT TO ROOF-200M
HEIGHT (ABOVE SEA LEVEL)-204M

HEIGHT TO ANTENNA-249M
HEIGHT OF ANTENNA (ABOVE SEA LEVEL)-253M

NO OF STOREYS-53

INTERESTING FACTS-
#WILL BE AUSTRALIA'S TALLEST MIXED-USE BUILDING
#WILL HAVE AUSTRALIA'S TALLEST CARPARK-FIRST 11 STOREYS/45M
NEXT 25 FLOORS CONSIST OF OFFICES UP TO 145M HIGH. THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION OCCUPIES TOP 11 FLOORS UP TO 187M HIGH.
#THE TOWER IS 50M WIDE FROM FRONT VIEW.
#IT WILL BE HARRYS SEIDLERS 2ND TALLEST BUILDING SOME 28METRES SHORTER THAN SYDNEYS MLC CENTRE.
# IT WILL SURPASS THE 174M CENTRAL PLAZA (BUILT 1988) IN 2004 TO BECOME BRISBANES TALLEST BUILDING.

CHEERS
:D

is the official hieght of buildings to the roof or the antenna??

Originally posted by katowice
is the official hieght of buildings to the roof or the antenna??

well i think its to roof. the antenna isnt an "architectural feature" as is the Q1s spire or Chrysler etc...
:D

Culwulla, what if the spire is for communication devices? I have see renders of Riparian, and there are lots of dishes etc on the spire, uncluding a hub at the top.

Wouldn't that be classed as the actual building?

That seemed to confuse the salesman at the aurora display centre too. I remember him saying that aurora would be the tallest residential bldg, but conceding that riparian would be taller once the spire was attatched.

But that goes against everything I've heard here! :?

Originally posted by oztraelian
That seemed to confuse the salesman at the aurora display centre too. I remember him saying that aurora would be the tallest residential bldg, but conceding that riparian would be taller once the spire was attatched.

But that goes against everything I've heard here! :?

Aurora will be a few metres higher to the roof, but will have a shorter spire / antenna

Originally posted by Rusty
Culwulla, what if the spire is for communication devices? I have see renders of Riparian, and there are lots of dishes etc on the spire, uncluding a hub at the top.

Wouldn't that be classed as the actual building?

You cant really call the antenna part of the building, even though it is . its a real grey area the whole counting spires/antennas as bldg height.120 collins st is a similar deal. Its 220m high +44m =264m antenna makes it the tallest in oz "with spire".but its not counted.
anyway!
;)

If the spire at Q1 is counted in a buildings height then technically Riparian and 120 Collins Street are the same - I don't really see the difference between the two. An architectural "feature" spire and a communications antenna are really the same thing. Chrysler is different as it is hard to tell where the spire starts and the building ends, but Q1 is very different to chrysler......it has a ROOF. Does'nt Q1 also have the aurora place style glass fin which is a different thing entirely......I would say that is counted as it part of the curtain wall.....

So, if the roof of a building isnt flat, then a spire is part of the building?

Well, anyone got any new pics? How about some new renders of Riparian at the Riverside centre?

Get those photoshop skills going.

Originally posted by Rusty
So, if the roof of a building isnt flat, then a spire is part of the building?

what i think is a good indicator of what should be counted as spire is as follows>...

if you take away the spire/antenna from its design does it look incomplete? I think Riparian would look completed without antenna, so its an additional feature!
Q1 spire is a 50/50 cause if you take away its spire its sort of looks complete beacause of its glass fin termination.
Bldgs like Aurora place would look complete without spire, Chifley tower is 50/50 beacuse its similar to world tower top. When World tower is completed i t will look like it needs a 30m spire.
Buildings like 120 collins would lookincomplete without its antenna but this isnt counted with its overall height case its an antenna.
go figure!

cheers

Whats Riparian made of? Is it really white concrete??? Geez, Brisbane is looking more like LA all the time with the white stuff everywhere... not a good look.

I heard it was shiny granite or something.

Rusty Whats Riparian made of? Is it really white concrete??? Geez, Brisbane is looking more like LA all the time with the white stuff everywhere... not a good look.

I think you can expect the exact same material used in Riparian Plaza as was used in the Riverside Centre. I have a detailed rendering of the facade and even the way the tiles are put on is the same.
Expect a taller Riverside Twin - I am.

If you like Riverside you will love Riparian.

JayT

I just hope there is some resemblance to Cove Apartments.

sheesh NO pictures?

how come EUREKA already has 200 pics of its 2 story base? LOL

Originally posted by Rusty
So, if the roof of a building isnt flat, then a spire is part of the building?

it seems so! but the Riaprian spire doesnt start from the roof! it actually starts at the 150m/35th floor on southern side, some 50m below the roof! so the antenna is quite huge at 100m tall.


anyaway where are the pix of this sucker???
no more chat lets see some recent piccys!!

cheers

lol, i know rondeez...some of the Melforumers are VERY exited...including myself, about Eureka, and the documentation of the buildings construction has been fantastic. Maybe b/c Aurora and Emerald are set to take the title away from Rip', poeple arn't as exited!!!
Thanx guys,
Matt:)

Originally posted by Rusty
Whats Riparian made of? Is it really white concrete??? Geez, Brisbane is looking more like LA all the time with the white stuff everywhere... not a good look.

I heard it was shiny granite or something.

The cladding from what I've heard on this forum will be granite like Cove Apartments currently under construction in Sydney.

Here is a example

Photo taken by Finn

http://www.arch.usyd.edu.au/~afindlay/coveuc01.jpg

From a distance

I took this one last Thursday

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/pd3e48b20b58034629f5d3915ad723bd7/fd354ae9.jpg.orig.jpg

If this is the official thread. The official website is:
www.riparianplaza.com

Pics? I haven't seen any pics of Riparian construction yet except for one of the site empty. Please, I'm dieing to see it.

There are pics ar riparianplaza.com.au

Go to news, then to construction gallery. It hasn't been updated since the 9 Sept, so the major changes mentioned haven't been captured yet.

The base of the building is evidently very well underway, with the diagonal columns featured in the renders almost finished.

I'll try and get some pics of my own soon.

Pics by forumers:

oztraelian also took a few pics back in mid-July in the beginning stages which were great; now unavailable :(

Anywho, airwave86 took this on 4th Sept. '02 (just over a month ago). -

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/dsc00008.jpg

Walked past Riparian again today. It hasn't grown much since the last time I was there. The cranes seem to have jumped up quite a bit though. There was so much action on the site it was great. Lots off men in hard hats and wistles blowing reflecting their sound off the other towers and men shouting - It sounded like a Gay Pride March:D

From other angles its getting more noticeable too. One of the tower cranes is visable from the top of Charlotte St as its in the centre allignment of the road. This means that Riparian will rise up at the end of Charlotte street similar to how Riverside is at the end of the Elizabeth Street axis.

The edges of the tower are clearly visable and the more I see of it the taller I think it will look.

JayT

JAYT,

Yes, its getting taller. I checked it out yesterday and I was surprised as to how tall its getting. Its gotta be at least 20m up at the moment, its clearly visible at ground level.

Is it true that Riparian is actually a really, really thin building? It looks small, but I wasnt sure.

Also, where on earth is the spiral parking tower going? Its in the renders on the official site. Its like a spiral to get to the car park. Where the hell is this gonna fit?

mb: Sorry my webspace must've been down for awhile.

Here's the old pix (3mths old now!) if anyone's interested:
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/mitsima/index_files/image017.jpg
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/mitsima/index_files/image018.jpg
As it stands now, the lift core would rise beyond the top of the 2nd pic, and work has also progressed on the perimeter of the tower aswell. All in all though - not an awful lot of progress for 12 weeks - especially for a project purports to be setting a record!

BTW Brisbane forumers - What are the prospects of going up Riparian 1nce it tops out? I assume there will be empty offices, but unfortunately the apartments will be very exclusive.
What do y'all think? (Of course, it wont be for another year, atleast!!)

It looks kinda different now.

construction is moving a bit slow for my liking. i might just looking at it for a while and get a plesent surprise when i go back there in a couple of months.

I took these on the 14th September.

http://photo.starblvd.net/~thomasvanarkel/1-1-5.jpg?i=1033694861

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p0fa4239081150296225e019aafbea710/fd46e81c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pbebffc3a082df51bba3ac3f5a005b8cf/fd46e81b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p55d0b55097a4fa7b819081314f142617/fd46e81a.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pb14a310b30808bfb62f6327bb137ab90/fd46e816.jpg

This damn carpark is taking forever.

Is it just me, or does this building look really small???

http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT01.jpg

Jayt

The way this construction is going, it'll take longer than the expected date to complete Riparian. They said it was going to be completed in 100 weeks of construction...

They actually have a deadline to have the building topped out by next years Riverfire.

I read somewhere that it was gonne have a special part in next years fireworks.

I took these today, October 12th:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/chrismayhew59/these004.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/chrismayhew59/these005.jpg

im still trying to work out the pictures. is that the lift core ther or what.iits taking a long time for just the lift core

I have to guess that's the core and it may also include the ramps for the parking station that will fill the first 10 or so levels of the tower.

This core looks to be about level 4.

No, that is just the core. The first level of carparking isn't until level 2 or something. They have constructed the vertical columns already, however the diagonal coulmns have not been constructed. The formwork has been made for these, but concrete has not been pored.

Remember. It takes concrete 28 days to reach its maximum working capacity. It can take shorter with chemicals etc... But, it has reached about 80% of its capacity after 7 days. This is one of the reasons why you see liftcores ahead of the building levels.

Once the first few levels are poured, it will really start to take off, when they get some repitition going......the 3 parts of the tower are all very repetitive, so it will go up very, very quickly. This stage of construction is always frustrating.....

Originally posted by Fountainhead
Once the first few levels are poured, it will really start to take off, when they get some repitition going......the 3 parts of the tower are all very repetitive, so it will go up very, very quickly. This stage of construction is always frustrating.....

couldn't agree with you more, it's exactly the same with Eureka, right now the core will really start to shoot up (they're at level 12, or where the units / apartments start - and they're going to try and keep the core 20 levels above the floor plates!!)

got a request:

can someone, get a map of the Bne CBD and mark out (like draw on it) where the signature towers are ? I know I can just look at that Riparian rendering Jayt just posted, but I cant picture it in the BNE grid

like mark out Comalco, AMP, Waterfront, CP1, CP2, Riparian, Aurora and the Emerald site and post it on here ?

anyone able to do that ?

cheers

tays

I had a walk past the site today and things are definately moving , but it does not look like it will be finished in the "record" time advertized, which makes me think they will stage the completion........if they build 1 floor per week they may get it topped out by this time next year, but I seroiusly doubt the building will be completley finished by then

I have a theory they will be completing the office and carpark parts of the tower, before or while constructing the apartments is finished. They have to get the offices done in 1 year (I think) so that their main tenant can relocate into the tower. There is not the same sort of major restriction on the apartments. Also the apartments have separate entry, lifts etc so they can have the offices occupied while the apartments are finished....

This will be quite interesting - imagine working in a building still under construction........;)

Its certainly moved more in the last 3 weeks then it has in the last 3 months. Its really starting to move now.

Are you sure thats just the core??? Thats one hell of a large core, but then it certainly looks way too small to just be the building.

yeah ill have to go have a look soon.. see it with my own eyes

I should stop complaining about my camera, I think my pics look pretty nice.

give urself a wrap ;)

oh i didnt mean that your picutures were crap i just want to see the whole thing to get the size and location of the place

That is pretty much the whole site.

its a conspiracy lead by mayor quimby, he has bribed the builders to change their plans and build a 10 story peice of shit instead. i knew it:bleep: :bleep: :bleep: :bleep: :bleep: :bleep:

i noticed some big schlong concrete pump thing driving on river TCE i could spy from across the river ....... must be pouring harry's liquid gold pretty quickly !

Originally posted by airwave86
i noticed some big schlong concrete pump thing

LOL nice use of the english language

i battled peak hour traffic, mangrove swamps and dodgy construction workers taking a piss on the footpath in front of everyone to take these pics of the baby riparian ....

i hope everyone appreciate them ;) :rant:

look at that sunset in riverside centre glass !

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/rip1.jpg

across the river ; see that dome on the left nearest riparian thats CITY ROWERS dodgy shithouse city club full of jocks and trashy whores (apologies to anyone who likes it!) that dome flashes like this big beacon sending out morse code on fri and sat nights its rather funny to watch cuz it looks like the whole place is off its chops on speed but the true fact is everyoens throwing up VB everywhere ....

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/rip2.jpg

that cores coming on nicely

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/rip3.jpg

and juxtaposed with the central plazas...

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/rip4.jpg

Great pics airwave - not often we see pix of the core from the river; we all appreciate the trouble you went 2. Next time, why not try one of the Storey Bridge pylons? (for relief) :)

The progress seems to be picking up now, but I'm still inclined to check it @ monthly, rarther than weekly intervals.

I love your 2nd pic airwave, with the State Law sneaking into shot! :)

great pics airwave

you reckon the core box will stay "unlabelled" for the rest of the climb ???

tays

I saw on the sign outside that it said apartments range from $1,000,000. Are they crazy? lol or is that just a really bad typo? :D

Originally posted by Gester
I saw on the sign outside that it said apartments range from $1,000,000. Are they crazy? lol or is that just a really bad typo? :D

No, the apartments DO start at $1M..........but the apartments also start at level 41:D

It is a very, very exclusive tower.

yeah i was in the city having a look aroundthis afternoon.. only saw wilharra(however you spell it) and saw riparian when i was going across the story bridge. its pretty easy to see if you know what to look for.. i hope they do put a sign on the core, that would make it a lot more visble and recognisable.

Willahra is topped out now, the LMR is way above the top floor which is cool.

Woah went past Riparian today, didn't realise it was so tall. Had to actually tilt my head up so see the top :lol:
Moving along quite nicely now.

dam its the begining of the end for brisbanes skyline:puke:

sheesh! that building is close to the water, a little too close;)

looking at diagrams on the official website, that looks like a nice place to ive, especiially with a carpark 45 metres off the ground and a pool 3/4 of the way up the building

Here's some pics of the Riparian on Sunday 20th October:

Heh the game was open today. Could of walked right into the construction but I didn't.

http://members.optushome.com.au/netsy/images/riparian.jpg

And the construction pic:

http://members.optushome.com.au/netsy/images/ripconst.jpg

Originally posted by Noonos
sheesh! that building is close to the water, a little too close;)

looking at diagrams on the official website, that looks like a nice place to ive, especiially with a carpark 45 metres off the ground and a pool 3/4 of the way up the building

It is pretty close to the Riverbank. Also it is right on top of the creek that was put underground. When I walked past the pipe could be seen coming out into the river.

Harry wanted to have cafe's and restaurants right on the riverfront promenade in front of the building, with a big plaza sticking out into the river, but council would not let him, so the promenade is just going to be the same as everywhere else........

Err, has anyone thought of when it floods in May???

I mean, the Brisbane River normally rises by about 20 inches when it really really pours down.

I think Riparian is gonna have a flooding problem.

WOW holy crap i think your the first person to think about rain and the fact that its near a river.. hang on ill find the number for you so you can call them and warn them..

i mean how stupid do you think engineers are. they spend everyday think about problems like those thats why they have pumps. sealed walls and etc. does riparian have a basement

lol@dorgey

Yeah I mean there are alot of buildings right on the waterline. What about River Place, the Admiralties, Waterfront Place. They are all on the waterline. Don't worry Rusty I'm sure they'll be ok and if there is a big enough flood for them to get it, well everything along the river is gonna flood anyway...

And why only May? I think if it was gonna flood it would be the summer months with a cyclone.

Looking at those photos, the core is now around five levels high.

It won't be long before it starts to take shape.

OK, there is a reason why riparian has THAT BIG FOOKING CARPARK ABOVE GROUND!!!!!!!!!! can anybody guess why?????

......hey, it is because it is so close to the water!!!!!! There is no basement in Riparian because of the river issue. The ground floor is however way above sea level. There are building regulations for minimum height above sea level that you are allowed to build on. For Brisbane I think it is about 4-5M above australian height datum.

The riverside centre managed to get a single level of carparking in a basement, but it is a bigger site, and is also a small er tower with no residential floors. Other riverside developments such as Admiralty Towers have built into a basement and of course they have had no shortage of problems since.

its not that big of a deal really. they could have dug a basement but there is so many more costs and the construction would have atken ages. look at New York there in a similar situation where if they dig so far underground the hole starts filling up.. and there are heaps of places in Brisbane with basements and toher things alike.. a few of the older ones were never reopened after floods.

Does anyone know if the lift core on Riparian will rise way higher than the floors like World Tower or if the floors and lift core will rise at the same time? I guess its a bit early to know, but I find that sort of thing interesting.

damn theyre fine close up pics ! well done Gester !

i'll be the resident across river Riparian photographer u can be the close-up dude :cool:

Originally posted by Dorgey
its not that big of a deal really. they could have dug a basement but there is so many more costs and the construction would have atken ages. look at New York there in a similar situation where if they dig so far underground the hole starts filling up.. and there are heaps of places in Brisbane with basements and toher things alike.. a few of the older ones were never reopened after floods.

A basement below the water table is extremely expensive. As soon as you start having to tank a basment, it becomes unfeasible. The problem with Riparian is also that half the site is over the river - the plazas will be built over water, and the tower only just fits on the land part of the site, so any basement would be very, very small ,so they would have to dig deep to get carparking in......so the above ground was the only way to do it on that site without being prohibitively expensive

Not that it is the same thing, but Macarthur Centre basement became Brisbanes biggest swimming hole 1-2 years ago, when they dug down 22M and then left it there while they decided what to do with the design......I almost wish they would have left it that way for a few years and we might have ended up with World Tower on that site

Originally posted by BrizzyChris
Does anyone know if the lift core on Riparian will rise way higher than the floors like World Tower or if the floors and lift core will rise at the same time? I guess its a bit early to know, but I find that sort of thing interesting.

Lift cores always rise higher than the floors

finally some pics!!!! wow starting to look good, growing is about to start. should look good when it eclipses the surrounding towers (around 150m) and starts to impact skyline!
cheers

Originally posted by Fountainhead
Lift cores always rise higher than the floors

yeah but World Tower was rising like 5-6 stories higher..

Originally posted by Fountainhead


Lift cores always rise higher than the floors
lol fountainhead, I know that. What I mean though, is that sometimes lift cores rise way faster than the floor plates. While other times they rise only a few floors apart - like River Place.

I think world tower is a bit of an exception. I think the cranes on WT are actually within the core for some reason, as opposed to rising on the outside of the building like most towers.....I suspect that may have something to do with it

As far as I know there is no great advantage structurally to having the lift core say 10 storeys ahead of the floors, even for a super high rise tower. Concrete will not get any stronger in that extra time period, but that depends how fast they build a floor. I guess it all depends on the contractors programme. I think Riparian may be a bit different to say River Place as they need to get the office floors done very very quickly. The res floors kind of have a separate core that extends above the office core, as the lifts are separated for obvoius reasons.......so something different may happen when it gets above the offices

UPDATE

Had a look at Riparian today, and man has it grown, almost doubled in size since I was last there about 2 weeks ago. It looks fantastic from the Story Bridge. I estimate that the core is now at least 30m high, if not higher. Its looks grand.

Anyone got some new pics?

Also, www.riparianplaza.com.au has been updated with some pics from October.

The picture in the riparian construction gallery that is a birdseye view looks pretty good. Shows how big it is and how big the land is.

Yeah, that Oct 29th aerial of the site makes it look huge. I didn't realise how much had been built on the river side.

I walked along the river past Riparian on Saturday afternoon. Does anyone know what they are planning on the river side of the tower? I can't find a render of this on their site.

At present there is a wide expanse of water between the temporary board walk (which can be seen clearly in the overhead shot) and the tower.

It was originally meant to be a huge plaza that projected out into the water (past where the temp boardwalk is now). There were meant to be restaurants on the water edge, etc. However, it did not get past council and has been scaled back to be a smaller plaza / boardwalk much like riverside centre. It will be built out over the water in between where the tower is and where the temp thing is......the waterline is right on the edge of the tower, which is why a basement was not feasible

You can see the original in this model shot:

http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT02.jpg
http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT03.jpg

I have seen the VR for the current design, and I seem to remember it does have a water-wall on the side of city-rowers nightclub
:D ;)

Checked the website. Good progress over the past month. Hope it starts to take shape by the end of the month.

Today.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/paa185aa2890c3308a22ece4b59741e28/fd117ac8.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/pa5fc23d4abe67721a4da7e5cd2250cbe/fd117ac7.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p4b0b08a69f80118c58f8bd271ee3120d/fd117ac6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/pc094d390f32b54e3b94634a3d4887b95/fd117a8c.jpg


jt

Its pretty impressive, isn't it JayT. Its really started to grow quite quick these last few weeks, compared to how long its taken to get off the ground.

At this rate, It'll be up with Riverside Centre come Fall.

nice pick

in the top pick, the yellow scaffolding has some funky formwork, for what will be some impressive columns at the front of the building, the twist and shit.....;)

yeah its really starting to take shape now isnt it.. everyone was a bit curious about the core for a couple of weeks

good stuff, i havent seen it for about 3 weeks and it looks like its made a fair bit of progress since then. ill take a look tomorow after ive had one of my exams.

It's coming along good. It's continuing to take shape.

Also it looks as if they haven't poured floorplates yet. It looks like they have poured the columns.

Do you think a 50m spire is too much for a 200m building? Thats like a quarter of the buildings hieght. WIll it look kinda funny?

Originally posted by Rusty
Do you think a 50m spire is too much for a 200m building? Thats like a quarter of the buildings hieght. WIll it look kinda funny?

I wouldnt say that, 101 Collins' is 195m high and it's spire reaches 260m... some people hate it, but if it's lit nicely at night and it's not just one plain stick (look at 101's spire, it's actually only two sticks with independant comms platforms in the middle of them (they're not connected at all) then it'll look alright.

Fountainhead: would you be able to source some images from the VR at all ? ;)

tays

Is it a s p i r e ?

Or are those white round things satellite/microwave dishes so the building is 200m with an antenna?

Cheers,

Adam

adam, it's 200 to roof.

Originally posted by Adam from Oz
Is it a s p i r e ?

Or are those white round things satellite/microwave dishes so the building is 200m with an antenna?

Cheers,

Adam

The whole spire idea is a bit weird really - particularly with projects like this, which kind of run in the grey area.

On the Riparian, the roof structure is pretty elaborate - I mean, if they wanted a broadcasting antenna, wouldn't they make it simple stick?

Yet at the same time, there are satellite dishes attached to it do indeed imply a communications useage of the spire, yet...

If the spire was simply for the satellite dishes, then why doesnt it stop where the dishes do? Why does it rise about 50% higher again than the point to which the dishes rise?!?

When a spire is built from the outset of a development, I think the only real way to know would be to ask Seidler himself if the spire would still be built, even if it had no communications/broadcasting function.

well it would pretty weird if it just stopped where the satelite dishes stopped..

Anyone know what those communications dishes will be used for? They are pointing horizontally so they aren't for satellite TV. Maybe they will be used for mobile phones although I doubt it. Mobiles rely on cells, so a huge broadcaster wouldn't work. Maybe it will be for wireless internet or free-to-air TV repeater stations.

Originally posted by Noonos
adam, it's 200 to roof.

You misread me. It was ambiguous. I said 200m with an antenna. It is. 200m of building with an antenna on top.

Cheers,

Adam

bcc model in ann st hq this shows riparian from story bridge/new farm perspective.

wish theyd build a proper model of it instead of the plain white mass one !

http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/dsc00052.jpg

Wow, I can't wait until it's finished.

THE COUNCIL MODEL IS WOEFULLY OUT OF DATE - THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE AURORA IN THERE

THEY SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A MASSING OF EMERALD AS WELL.......AS WELL AS THE OTHER 5/6 TOWERS MISSING THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED (EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT GOING AHEAD - IT SHOWS WHAT THEIR EFFECT WILL BE ON THE CBD IN A FEW YEARS)

MAYBE CULWULLA SHOULD SUBCONTRACT SOME EXTRA WORK OUT TO THE B.C.C.????

Originally posted by Fountainhead

MAYBE CULWULLA SHOULD SUBCONTRACT SOME EXTRA WORK OUT TO THE B.C.C.????

AND the MCC! :D

tays

I wish the Sydney city model was like that with all the colour and details.

Maybe they just add the buildings when they are done.

Does anyone have any more recent pics of the Brisbane model? Riparian doesn't look very tall there...

Riparian looks a lot thinner from that angle. The proportions shit all over the Riverside Centre.

lookin down charlotte st with the lovely classy 5-star Victory Hotel on the right towards Riparian. Riparian should look great standing at the top of Charlotte lookin down from George St to the river.



http://home.iprimus.com.au/prz1bella/dsc00042.jpg

I'd say in 5 or 6 yrs time, both the Stock Exchange and Victory Hotels will have apartment towers above them.

Mind my ignorance but where is the Brisbane stock exchange?

the stock exchange is in the riverside centre (ASX), but the stock exchange hotel is the 2 storey pub on the left of the picture (recently refurbed)

i hope these don't get redeveloped......personally I like those parts of the cbd that are only 3-5 storeys in height generally, particularly parts of edward street around that area

If every possible CBD lot is taken up by a scraper it's going to defeat the purpose of building up for views. Those streets aren't real wide. Imagine paying a fortune for a CBD apartment only to have every view blocked by a generic Soorley passed 30 storey apartment building. There needs to be more 60+ level buildings with a couple of blocks turned into parks with carparks beneath.

Well, when you live in the middle of the CBD, good views are something I don't think you should take for granted.

the stock exchange hotel has been revamped and is now pretty classy inside. it used to be the biggest shit hole in the city but they sold jugs of spirits for $5 sometimes which made up for its shitness

They have finally finished the splayed, and angled columns on the base of the building, looks pretty intersting down there at the moment......it means the building should rise pretty quickly now as the most complicated part of the building is done. The core is up to about 10-12 storeys now:D

How high in metres roughly will Riparian be by New Years ??

Heading back to a question raised on page 5, "what's with the satellite dishes on the spire?".
Aren't they being shifted there from their current location above Waterfront Place?

Originally posted by WÆROM
How high in metres roughly will Riparian be by New Years ??

You know, I read something recently which said that Riparian will top out in February 2003! Not complete of course, but the core will top out. Is this possible? I mean, it just seems too quick!

Then again, I think of Seidler's "Cove Apartments" in Sydney, and it has grown by 20+ levels in the past 10-12 weeks, and the total Riparian construction schedule is estimated at only 20 months.

When did they first start work on the site - like how many months has it been so far?

At fifty floors with one level core rise a week would see Riparian top out late September next year.

I think Cove will be the tower complete by Feburary as they have just topped out and I'm sure the floors are being fitted and furnished before occupants.

About when the projects started. I think Cove has been three years due to building restorations in the surrounding area. Riparian, I don't know.

Originally posted by Fabian
At fifty floors with one level core rise a week would see Riparian top out late September next year.

I think Cove will be the tower complete by Feburary as they have just topped out and I'm sure the floors are being fitted and furnished before occupants.

About when the projects started. I think Cove has been three years due to building restorations in the surrounding area. Riparian, I don't know.

But what is Riparian at, in terms of floors, at the moment?

The lower levels are always the slowest because of underground work, foundations, podiums etc.

The floors after that tend to be pretty standard and thus can rise quickly. And like I said, Cove rose faster than one floor per week in its recent phase, although I definitely agree that February is far too early for top out. Earlier than September though I think.

Originally posted by finn


You know, I read something recently which said that Riparian will top out in February 2003! Not complete of course, but the core will top out. Is this possible? I mean, it just seems too quick!

Then again, I think of Seidler's "Cove Apartments" in Sydney, and it has grown by 20+ levels in the past 10-12 weeks, and the total Riparian construction schedule is estimated at only 20 months.

When did they first start work on the site - like how many months has it been so far?





Originally posted by Fabian
At fifty floors with one level core rise a week would see Riparian top out late September next year.

I think Cove will be the tower complete by Feburary as they have just topped out and I'm sure the floors are being fitted and furnished before occupants.

About when the projects started. I think Cove has been three years due to building restorations in the surrounding area. Riparian, I don't know.

Maybe the core [not the actual building] will top out in late February/ early March and the building opened in September. I think i remeber hearing that September was it's opening. So by February the core should reah around 200m while the floors are finished off and the facade placed on and the insides fubished and little nitty gritty stuff like that. That would take a few months, for an opening in September

In my post I was making reference to the lift core. There's no way it is possible that the lift core will top out by Feburary.

Well, here's an article I found anyway - not the one I was referring to, but it does emphasise the speed of the construction.

Clearly the tower had begun construction by January this year at least, and it has a total construction time of 100 weeks, so it should be fully complete at the latest by November next year.

INFOLINK

Tallest Brisbane building going up quick

MULTIPLEX has set out to build the tallest building in Brisbane in record time.

It aims to build the 53-storey building 198m high in only 100 weeks to satisfy the developer, Bloomberg Incorporation, and the project manager, Incoll TPC.

Multiplex has begun excavating the waterfront site for the building and site project manager Les Donaldson is selecting subcontractors who have all the men and machinery needed to finish the job quickly.

Donaldson says the tight construction schedule for the prestigious building will be demanding but he is confident he can meet the challenge.

Bloomberg has awarded Multiplex a contract worth about $100 million to design and construct Riparian Plaza, a multi-use residential, commercial and retail tower on the last available riverfront site of the Golden Triangle in the CBD.

The Riparian, designed by Harry Seidler, will include 52 penthouse apartments and 25 levels of offices atop 11 levels of car park.

It will also include a 10-metre high, full glass lobby facing the river, and a recreational floor on level 39 including a gymnasium, swimming pool, jogging track, spa, sauna and barbecue area.

A vast concourse will link with and extend an existing boardwalk.

24 January 2002

Originally posted by finn


But what is Riparian at, in terms of floors, at the moment?

The lower levels are always the slowest because of underground work, foundations, podiums etc.

The floors after that tend to be pretty standard and thus can rise quickly. And like I said, Cove rose faster than one floor per week in its recent phase, although I definitely agree that February is far too early for top out. Earlier than September though I think.
Finn, they have only started pouring the slab / formwork for the first suspended tower floor above the lobby. The core is up to maybe 30M, but it has taken them a few months to get the lobby level sloped / twisted columns finished. Pretty amazing really, I walk past every day on my way to the office, and the signature siedler twisted splayed columns have taken ages......they had tons of formwork around the for about 6 weeks, and must have been a pain to build since these major columns twist in 3 planes, similar to riverside and other harry buildings. Now that they are out of the way, they can actually start on the tower floors, which should rocket up:D

Originally posted by Fountainhead

Finn, they have only started pouring the slab / formwork for the first suspended tower floor above the lobby. The core is up to maybe 30M, but it has taken them a few months to get the lobby level sloped / twisted columns finished. Pretty amazing really, I walk past every day on my way to the office, and the signature siedler twisted splayed columns have taken ages......they had tons of formwork around the for about 6 weeks, and must have been a pain to build since these major columns twist in 3 planes, similar to riverside and other harry buildings. Now that they are out of the way, they can actually start on the tower floors, which should rocket up:D

Really similar to Cove as well, in terms of construction phases!

I could not believe how incredibly long it took for them to get out of the ground with Cove! They had dug down 11 levels into the sandstone for parking, meanwhile preserving a heritage buildng by supporting it over this hole on huge stilts. Then there was the lobby, which is the equivalent of about 7 storeys high, and they were working on the columns and formwork forever!

Then suddenly - bam! In less than a year Cove was topped out! All 158m of it! The floors rise so fast, its hard to keep track of them!

Anyway, its all good in the end. :)

I was downtown today and I gotta say that Riparian really has grown really, really fast over the last couple of weeks. They are now at the first level of carparking!!!

Its growing F A S T !

I disagree I think its going painstakingly slow. I was in the city today and it seemed to be in the same stage as when I saw it a month ago. The only difference was a few diagonal posts at the bottom.

grrrrrrr
well atleast you guys have other towers to look at,
if woodside stops growing, then there goes our chance our skyscraper watching:D

Originally posted by chrisaus
grrrrrrr
well atleast you guys have other towers to look at,
if woodside stops growing, then there goes our chance our skyscraper watching:D Well there is a 2 story house going up near me!!:D

Originally posted by brissyThomas
I disagree I think its going painstakingly slow. I was in the city today and it seemed to be in the same stage as when I saw it a month ago. The only difference was a few diagonal posts at the bottom.

Yep, blame those diagonal columns - it is what has been taking so long. The diagonals on the river and the splayed columns on Eagle street have taken probably about 2 months. The splayed columns are really complex because they twist in 2 directions.

It will go up REALLY fast now, because there is no real complexity. It is simple straightforward construction from now on. Go back in a month and I would say there will be at least 2-3 more floors....I hope

:D:D

:D:)

Somone needs to get their ass downtown and take some pics.

Originally posted by Fountainhead


Yep, blame those diagonal columns - it is what has been taking so long. The diagonals on the river and the splayed columns on Eagle street have taken probably about 2 months. The splayed columns are really complex because they twist in 2 directions.

It will go up REALLY fast now, because there is no real complexity. It is simple straightforward construction from now on. Go back in a month and I would say there will be at least 2-3 more floors....I hope

2-3 floors a month. that is slow. i was expecting a floor a week.

Didn't someone say the building had to topped out by next years Riverfire because they were going to use the roof for the firworks?
When exactly is Riverfire next year, like what month?

Werom, I said that.

I read in the paper that the planners of Riverfire wanted to utilse Riparian in next years show, which is in September.

It'll probably be finished on the outside by then, but I doubt it'll be open. Who knows, from start to finish was supposed to be in 100 weeks, and they started in January, so you never know.

Context pics this morning. Someone else will have to get closer to catch detail, I'm not paying for parking in Soorley's car hating paradise. Diagonal columns visible here :)

This view from McDonald St, K Point
http://202.92.76.227/Photo17/193872/60/1761619.jpg


This view from River Tce, K Point
http://202.92.76.227/Photo17/193872/60/1761626.jpg

Wow, it's getting there, slowly. In several months it might be up to Riverside Centre's height. The core that is.

grow up chrisaus, are you out of primary school yet?

He's just jealous cause Perth is dead.

Anyways, the core is up to the first level of carparking which is pretty cool.

The official site has been updated and they say that because its up to the carpark level and that the diagonal beams are finished, it will be rising alot quicker now.

www.riparianplaza.com.au

Like those two photos. The core looks like it's up to around level 10/11.

Great Pics, CP2 will be even harder to find once Riparian rises.

Pretty soon we're going to be seeing new postcards of the skyline. Not sure if it will sink in very quickly.

Its certainly a milestone for Brisbane. The skyline is going to dramatically change once its topped out.

I can't wait to see some 2004 Calenders.

Yesterday afternoon I noticed they were about halfway through pouring what looked like the floor of the first carparking level. We face the Riparian Plaza site from Comalco Place.

Riparian really seems to be gaining some speed these days, and I see the jump form has moved upwards on one side, buggered if i knew how that thing actually moves, does anyone know?

:cheers:

Here are some pics of the model - from the seidler website

http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT03.jpghttp://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT02.jpg

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jt

I've seen a number of these model shots. They are great and very detailed. I like how the riverfront is going to look when completed.

I like the white and golden yellow effect in the models above but it's a pity you won't be able to see them from ground level or most skyline shots, god darn it!

Here are 2 more renders i have whipped up showing Riparian amongst the Brisbane skyline.

The one below is Riparian, sitting in front of the skyline (with Felix also amongst them all) ) :-

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p1ce5447e09577c6922579cec13612211/fcfa1d7a.jpg

And here is what it will look like, looking up at Riparian from up the street at ground level:-

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p2d2ead944688055542a4e8575b080672/fcfa1d79.jpg

Riparian may not be the best looking building in town but it will be quite a nice tower when complete, its tall, visually impressive and complements the building next to it. It's Harry's best work to date. Riparian has quite grown on me after seeing it from all angles. Below is the best shot of Riparian to date i think, shows it's streamlined and bulky all in the same time, now that's impressive, you have got to admit:-

http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/032_DT03.jpg[IMG]

It will have a huge impact looking down Charlotte St.

Sometimes I wish it was all glass.

It looks like a canyon at the end of the Street with Riparian and also Riparian towers everything in it's sight. It looks so huge.

awsome renders Waerom. Here is another shot of riparian U/C.. it was in todays couriermail, and by the looks of it the photo is only recent.
also is there another tower UC behind it. felix maybehttp://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,223257,00.jpg

Felix would be out of view to the left of that picture.

Dorgay,

That is a pretty old pic, because the white columns aren't even up yet by the looks of things.

it looks a bit like QV1 at the top and the other side with wavy balcony things looks a bit like Cove. Seidler being Repetitive? Well I never!! :D
It is certainly an unusual beast aint it. Not sure whether or not i like it yet, but one thing's for sure - it'll look good at night coz almost eveything does esp all lit up. ;)
Renders never seem to do justice though.....

That's the good thing about Riparian, even though it might not be the best designed building in Brisbane it' will do wonders for the city height wise, where it's positioned and also spruce up the night time shots of Brisbane

The lift core looks like it's racing ahead now.

That picture of Riparian looking down Charlotte Street is the best picture to date. I think it may be my favourite building in Brisbane upon completion. Phuc it looks ultra modern as well. Shh - go riparian

I drove past the site the other day, I can't believe how massive it is when you are actually next to it.

dont tell me that everyone is starting to like riparian? i thought there was only a select few of us, me included, who thought it was a bit of alright. should be a great addition to the skyline judging by the first shot in the above posts

Even though i posted this render in the felix thread i'd thought i post it here as well for those who might only come into the Riparian thread, and not the felix one. Here is the skyline in 2005 with Riparian and friends, lol:-

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p48a9305c111c69c4ff1fd9c4004b6184/fcf84660.jpg

WÆROM I posted it also in another thread called "Brisbane Future shots" in skyscrapers and skylines - hope you don't mind:)

jt

I have always liked Riparian Plaza. Though I could be seen as biased on this score as I think the Riverside Center is the best building in town also. Especially at dusk and at night when all the lights are on.

they are still building the plaza area on the river arent they? i thought i heard somone say they were or it wasnt going to be as big.. i walked along the riverside area the other day and they really need to do a redevelopment between waterfront place and the botanical gardens.. its really bland and looking ugly

This is what it will look like with Aurora. This render ripped off from another post I can remember the name of.
http://202.92.76.227/Photo17/193872/60/1977429.jpg

BRISBANE WILL HAVE A WORLD CLASS SKYLINE once EMERALD, AURORA AND RIPARIAN ARE COMPLETED!

i think i like riparian the best ... the official website is awesome!

all you have to do to that pic is take riparian out and move felix to the middle of the 2 buildings and i will love it:D ....
but how it is now:puke:

i think they need to tear down any building that wasnt designed by harry sieder, and rebuild the city usuing all of harrys ingenious ideas

I dont think renders do Riparian justice, its just such a unique design.

Originally posted by Duff
i think they need to tear down any building that wasnt designed by harry sieder, and rebuild the city usuing all of harrys ingenious ideas

Harry has produced some marvellous towers such as Horizon and Australia Square in Sydney. The quality of his designs are fairly high. Riparian will be a landmark tower for Brisbane and will rate as one as his great works

even with Riparian, Aurora, and Emerald, I still don't think you can call Brisbane a world class skyline

I dont think anyone should say "world class skyline", under any circumstances. I despise that term.

Could somebody please explain exactly what a "world class skyline" is?

"world class" anything is a term that gets thrown around way too much......for example. even the hoarding of riparian on eagle street mentions something about "world class apartments"

marketed by "World Class" ego's...

Originally posted by bribri
Could somebody please explain exactly what a "world class skyline" is?

something that can compare to other cities around the world!

in this case ... world class as in a pretty tall and dense skyline!

I always thought it was a ridiculous term. If everything built on the planet is not "world class" then what is it? I can't wait to start seeing some of those "jupiter class" buildings going up! Or perhaps someone on the forum has a favourite sci-fi movie building they would like to build? Even a shack in Ethiopia is "world class" ie it is built in this world! LOL!!!

a world class apartment is, is it is the high quality of apartment that you would expect to find in other parts of the world. and that stands the same for the skyline, so it is a world class skyline

Okay, well, Ethiopia is in the "other parts of the world", so you must mean the apartments are like what you find there?

Okay, well, Ethiopia is in the "other parts of the world", so you must mean the apartments are like what you find there?
ok that doesnt make sense, but what i did say was the "high quality of apartment that you would expect to find in other parts of the world" meaning Brisbane has the high quality apartments that you would expect to find in other parts that have high quality apartments like apartments in New York, Paris, London and Sydney.

and Ethiopia doesnt have high quality apartments do they, well they might and therefore they could be classified "world class"

I think Australia has some of the best apartments that you can find on this planet in terms of design, originality, space, views, price and built quality. Those new ones that are under construction especially, eg: Q1, Eureka, Aurora, Riparian, Cove etc. The term "world class" is meaningless.

Exactly. Dorgay doesn't like to think so though.

Originally posted by felix
I think Australia has some of the best apartments that you can find on this planet in terms of design, originality, space, views, price and built quality. Those new ones that are under construction especially, eg: Q1, Eureka, Aurora, Riparian, Cove etc. The term "world class" is meaningless.

An aussie building - the Altair apartments in Kings Cross won the world architecture award for best apartment building this year

Originally posted by BrizzyChris
Exactly. Dorgay doesn't like to think so though.
thats exactly what i was saying, except how can you say the temm "world class" is meaningless in this case

OK, Dorgay, how do you define "world class"? What's the criteria for the so called "world class apartments"?? Imean "world class apartment" may sound nice what does it mean??? You see. Your definition of "world class apartment" may be different from other people's definition. It would make more sense to people if Riparian advertise their apartments are "world's leading standard", don't you think?:guns1:

the term "world class" is a way of buttering up potential investors of a project. if they hear that the appartments are world class people immediately think they are of a very high standard.

u r all right, this term has been overused and now is meaningless hence this debate about what world class actually means

I think what they mean by "World Class Apartments" is that the apartments are on par with standards anywhere in the world.

i.e. they would be suitable in Paris, New York, Karachi ;) etc.

You can expect the same level of quality that purchasers the world over expect.

Unfortunately, the ambiguous nature of the term "world class" probably means that even the sh!t quality developments bestow themselves with this title.

Originally posted by felix
OK, Dorgay, how do you define "world class"? What's the criteria for the so called "world class apartments"?? Imean "world class apartment" may sound nice what does it mean??? You see. Your definition of "world class apartment" may be different from other people's definition. It would make more sense to people if Riparian advertise their apartments are "world's leading standard", don't you think?:guns1:
i dont have a definition of it, i have a understanding of what the term is about and i explained it before if you read

u r all right, this term has been overused
well in Australia we have such a high standard of living its expected that everthing is "world class"

I think Australia has the best apartments in the World. Sure you can find some nice ones in London, NYC and HK but how much do you pay for them?? USD $5 M?? For AUD $ 1M you can only buy crap over there whereas you can have Riparian here. I think Seidler should be very proud of himself for designing these apartments. i know a lot of people may not agree with what I've just said but take a look at Cove, Horizon, Riparian. They are bloody nice apartments with a bit of class. They may not be the most exciting in terms of design. However, I know I'll be very satisfy if i live in one of them.

I like the Cove, but I must say that the Riparian is an eyesore on Brisbane's skyline... IMO

Originally posted by CitiLink
I like the Cove, but I must say that the Riparian is an eyesore on Brisbane's skyline... IMO

Riparian is not an eyesore, its unique, and thats why its cool.

By the way, I found your 'Perth VS Brisbane' thread rather amusing. Have you ever been to Brisbane?

"Nightlife is better in Perth" - I don't think I have laughed so hard in all my life. Perth doesn't have a night life, is incredibly anti gay, and is on the wrong side of the country.

Enough said.

Riparian Plaza.com has been updated wit new pics of construction from Nov.

check it out, looks good.

www.riparianplaza.com.au

The aerial shot is great, I'm going to go in this week and get some decent pics of most construction sites.

Far from being an eyesore I think Riparian Plaza is the number 1 building under construction in Australia today. It is unfortunate that World Tower or Eureka Tower were not designed by Saidler because a much better result could have been achieved. Saidler buildings to me look Australian. To me a Saidler building just has something about it that makes it look distinctly Australian.

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Good to finally have some more support for Seidler developments Steve! I like them too (although I like NFK designs as well).

Just be careful who you reveal your support to though - you're likely to get your head bashed off in some cases! ;) :bash:

yeah i like the design to,and to be honest i do like the design more then eurekas, though i like world towers better then riparian and Q1 is better then World Tower

I work in Comalco Place and was talking to a guy with a window office and he claims the workers on the Riparian site must work only 2 and a half days per week.

Also, dunno how true this is, but I have heard that the Riverside Center, another one of Seidlers designs is due to recieve heritage listing soon.

You are correct about the Riverside Centre.
There was an article in the Courier Mail around a week ago.

That's amazing for a building only built in the 80's.

Anyone got any new pics of it lately?

Riparian or Riverside?

Riparian has been going really slow lately. They are still on the first freaking level!!

What is the story with Riparian going so slow ? In many stories I have seen on it they say "It will be built in record time" ?????

Riparian's car parking driving forward
December 2002
Riparian Plaza's car-parking section has reached a milestone with the pouring of the first parking level (P1).

This milestone is the start of a typical slab cycle by which, 11 levels of car parking will be constructed in the ensuring months. The pouring of the P1 began at sunrise and continued throughout the day for approximately 8 hours.

Given the magnitude of this pour, in order for the concrete to set evenly, a special chemical mixture was sprayed over the surface of the wet concrete. This procedure ensures the regular curing of the concrete slab. Refer to the construction gallery for photographs of the P1 slab pour.

However, before any concrete can be poured, complex engineering was required to establish the correct steel reinforcement to handle the design loads of a typical carparking slab. The 300mm P1 slab is of particular engineering significance for the building. Essentially all of the lower tower columns comprising commercial and residential lobbies are tied into the P1 slab. This is procured with the use of a post-tensioned ring beam.

The impressive twisting portal columns have now been poured and stripped revealing their unique design. Cast-in plates are now visible at street level, which will eventually tie in the huge cantilever glass canopy from Eagle Street. The construction gallery contains photographs of the exposed portal columns.

I'll go get us a cuppa......


HURRY UP!! :rant: :rant:

Dec 25th:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/chrismayhew59/brizzy009.jpg

arn't they marking each floor as they go??? It all looks very dull and gloomy.

Thanx guys,
Matt:)

The site has been quiet for the last 2 weeks (naturally), but should get going again this week. In regards to the gloominess, it was overcast and about 6.30pm at night.

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9036/1579036bl1042000713.jpg

Excellent pic Grollo

Is it just me or have they removed Riparian Plaza from Skyscraperpage.com ? If so why have they done that ?

dont tell me theyve cancelled it and their gunna leave it as a 10 storey car park:bash:

noooooooooooooooooooo;)

Steve, it has been removed, but no one knows why.

Hehehe, I was in there today and its risen slightly from when I last saw it two weeks ago.

Because they have begun on the carpark, you would think it would now begin to rise quite quickly.

I am concerned that Aurora is gonna take this long too...

Guys
Savour the moment

IT WON'T BE A BABY FOREVER.

This is the time when we have something to look forward too, don't be in a rush to see it built and enjoy each stage as it comes because you won't ever see it at that stage again.

JayT

It better not be cancelled. Any Brisbaneites seen if work has resumed since Christmas??

I still don't know what happened to Riparian being completed in record time.

Excuse my dumbness here, but that pic or Riparian above, that is not the entire perimetre is it? Surely that is just some inner lift core???

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at the rate its going it will be a record...slowest building ever :bash:

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The thing poking up is the lift core, you can see the width of the building by the base which is completed, or at least has been moulded.

Any news on Emerald Tower?.

Moose

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Savour the moment

IT WON'T BE A BABY FOREVER.

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JayT</td></tr>
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Well said. I am getting a bit sick of reading "why is it taking so long??", which is about half the replies in this thread.......it will get built (even if it takes a couple months longer than expected because of union disputes or whatever), so why bother complaining about it!!

Here is a picture taken last week from Kangaroo Point, soon it will be the height of the Black Ink House, next door.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid46/p1529f530bf194f6492ffd54abb1475a7/fcce17ac.jpg

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There is a picture of both the Riparian Plaza and the Riverside Centre. Note the old little brown building in the middle is not displayed in the image. A guy I know works in that building (black ink) and management have told me the building will not be getting demolished.

I like this view from Riverside Centre, November 02

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid46/p3dd827b0aed4882fdfaee62ea00b5e09/fcccc3df.jpg

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black ink was part of the original scheme until delays in the project made the owners sell the building to make some more cash

the orginal plans for "riverside 2" that were done for lend lease were for 3 harry towers of varying heights occupying the whole site!!!!!!

I wouldn't mind if the Riparian was a carbon copy of Riverside... The carpark is just totally hideous on the bottom. I think the building should be covered in glass...

But we will all have to wait and see how it turns out...

Anyway if its ugly you can just airbrush it out of any photos you take...

yeah they could have put it underground further back...and had a super fast elvator going to the top...

The carpark is the only aspect of this scheme that I REALLY hate. Although it is built damn close to the river. They could have linked in the riverside carpark into an underground carpark identical to riverside, but it does cost a lot less to have it above ground, and there is no risk of flooding. BUT, the way harry has treated the carpark is very bad. I think the view from the street and river plazas will be pretty depressing. The carpark would have been great with a big wrap around video / projection screen......which would provide a great view from the river and river plazas (particularly during the river festival), but that is a bit futuristic for our old harry. I don't mind the rest of the building, but yes something more high tech and glassy / metallic would have been better. For such a prominent site, they should have gone with somebody like foster or renzo piano instead of seidler.....

I think it will be a good building, just not a GREAT building.

What is the progress like ? Anything new since Christmas ?

There was a core rise today so there is work going on. They've only been back a week over the Xmas break by the look of it so hopefully it will progress much faster! Its looks about time for the cranes on the site to be pegged up a few notches too...

Progress. Thats good to hear. What floor is it up to now ?

get ready ppl start tossing over these..... if u want
taken from lev 18 of river side centre :)

Up to level 2 hey!
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jsheahan/riparian150103/riplev2.jpg
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jsheahan/riparian150103/riplev2a.jpg
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jsheahan/riparian150103/riplev2b.jpg
http://home.iprimus.com.au/jsheahan/riparian150103/ripwfp.jpg

level 18 is occupied by bankwest (dads work) and previously by tristar.... i was up there this morning and was very pleased to see that tristar has gone leaving half the floor vacant.......

i know what ur all thinking... and yes just go straight up to level 18 and the view is all yours..... there is no security..... :)

Freaking excellent pics Inzaghi.

Fantastic Photos!!!

BTW, we should catch up soon again.
Jason.

Awesome pics! Hopefully that floor will still be vacant in a few months time. :D

Those photos are great.

It's making better progress than we first thought.

Is that level 2 of the car park or the office section ?

It is level 2 of the carpark.

Thanks Rum

It sure is going to be a big mother

those are some great shots, level 18 here i come :cheers:

Awesome pics.
Folks in the Riverside Centre are going to miss their view of Waterfront Place.

I hope there is some problem with the site and they are forced to halt development and demolish it. This is one development the council were crazy to approve.

It's a case of wrong building, wrong site and wrong architect and wrong decade if ever i saw one.

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get over it......you will give yourself a brain haemorrage if you keep worrying about it;)

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I agree. its only 2 floors up, maybe it will look really stunning when its finished.

wasn't it to be finished this year sometime? has the completion date changed or what?

I'm thinking its time for some new shots fella's. Someone get there ass down there. I might go down on Tuesday, but dont have a cam so I can only tell you what i see.

once people start going back to uni im sure there will be more pics coming in. i now a few of us (me included) go to gardens point so we'll have no excuse

This was taken from Kangaroo Point 27.01.03, you can see that it is shortly going to be taller than the Black Ink House nextdoor.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid48/pda2576a100d1787d8c3454c337e1cf35/fcb902a3.jpg

Im thinking Aurora is gonna beat this baby to the top...

BrissyThomas

Cool pic. It is so exciting when someone posts a progress pic from another state.

The building set to become Brisbane's tallest is beginning to rise above hoardings surrounding its Eagle Street site. Jeff Sommerfeld reports on the development of the Riparian Plaza
TWELVE months ago, Bloomberg Inc signed a $115 million construction contract with Multiplex to build the 53-level Riparian Plaza.
The lucrative contract was a big windfall for the privately owned construction giant, but it is believed the contract also stipulated tight time frames to enable the first tenants to move into Riparian by September 2003.
In November 2001, prominent law firm Clayton Utz announced it would be taking up almost 20 per cent of Riparian's 25,000sq m of commercial office space, relocating from current offices in Santos House at 215 Adelaide St.
Clayton Utz's lease for Santos House was due to expire around that time and it needed to have a new home to relocate its 280 staff and built this provision into the lease agreement with Bloomberg.
At the time, the sceptics suggested the completion date for Riparian was overly ambitious and considered Multiplex was taking a major gamble because of penalty clauses believed to be contained in the construction contract.
This week, Bloomberg confirmed the most likely date for completion of $250 million Riparian was mid-2004, although commercial tenants were expected to be able to occupy the building in the first quarter of 2004.
For many developers and construction companies this news would spell a financial disaster with the invoking of penalty clauses likely to drain away any profit from the contract.
Yet Bloomberg director Scott Collins is remarkably relaxed about the new completion date and said Clayton Utz has been fully informed of the building's progress to date.
With the building's core currently up to level 14 and construction of the outer shell up to the third level, Mr Collins said any delays in the project are behind them and he is confident Multiplex will be able to deliver a new level every 4-5 working days.
``Riparian Plaza is a project of enormous scale and detail and one where the boundaries of conventional design and quality are continually challenged,'' Mr Collins said.
``To put it into perspective, our project is almost 60m higher than the Riverside Centre and that is before the 50m communications spire that extends from the tower's rooftop.
``It sits 15m-20m further into the Brisbane River, has three changing uses to it's structure and integrates the best technological and design principles available. And yet we are challenged to build it quicker than Riverside Centre, Waterfront Place or Central Plaza were built.
``We don't mind the challenge, however the quality of the building is our priority and core to the project. We would not allow our over- anxious pursuit of the speed of construction to counter our intent of design and construction quality. Those who want the best we trust are patient.''
The Harry Seidler-designed Riparian will be Brisbane's tallest building on completion and will be the CBD's first purpose built mixed use highrise.
The construction of the 71 Eagle St building will require 36,000cu m of specialised concrete, 2km of custom-designed sunshades, 400km of electrical cabling and 21km of security closed-circuit television cabling.
The ground floor will be dominated by a 10m high entry foyer. The first floors up to level 11 will be car parks for tenants and residences, with levels 12-13 solely devoted to plant and equipment to service the building.
The next 25 floors will consist of 30,000sq m of office space, while level 39 will be a recreation level for the residential apartments and another floor of plant and equipment on level 40.
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Floors 41 through to 52 will be occupied by 48 luxury apartments and Brisbane's most expensive penthouse, with an additional plant room on level 53 and the building capped by a 50m mast.
Mr Collins said 75 per cent of apartments had been sold to date at an average price of $1.7 million with the penthouse sold for $6.7 million to Collection House director John Pearce.
So far, Clayton Utz's commitment to 5500sq m is the only publicly announced tenant for the 30,000sq m of commercial space.
Market gossips have speculated the building's leasing agent, CB Richard Ellis, may take up a whole 1200sq m floor and Multiplex has been whispered as another potential tenant for 2400sq m in the building.
Mr Collins said completed lease agreements for the building now exceeded 30 per cent of the available space.
Leasing for the building is being undertaken by CB Richard Ellis commercial leasing director John Lunney and Colliers International leasing director John Walklate.
Mr Lunney said there was a ``lot of conjecture'' around construction projects and Riparian was no different.
``Most, or all, of the prospective tenants we are talking to have got lease expiry dates well beyond the estimated construction date,'' he said.
``They are interested in when the building is going to be completed, but none of them are concerned.''
In an upbeat assessment, Mr Lunney said the leasing agents were confident of having the majority of Riparian leased with major tenants prior to its completion.
``We will have some tidying up with smaller leases once the building is finished,'' he said. ``The smaller the tenant the more they like to see the end product.''
National Property Research director Matthew Gross said Riparian would represent the ``best of the best'' in office space on completion.
``It is arguably in Brisbane's most prime position and will hopefully attract premium tenants that are prepared to pay premium rents,'' he said.
Because Bloomberg has always intended to retain the building beyond its completion, Mr Collins said its thoughts were predominantly those of a future landlord rather than a typical developer.
``To that extent our endeavour is to satisfy our tenants fully throughout their term not just to place them in the building,'' he said.
``As a company our views are always long term, though we prudently insist short term on ratification or signs that our goals will likely be attained.''

Caption: Aerial view of construction of the Riparian Plaza in Eagle Street.
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On the Riparian Plaza website they say the height is 204m & 250m with mast. I always thought it was gonna be 200m with Aurora being taller at 204m.

On the website its in Commercial, Fast Facts under Overall Dimensions.

So this means that Riparian & Aurora will be same height, not Aurora being taller.

Accounting for spires, Riparian will be 250m, Aurora will be 238 m, overall Riparian being tallest in city.

I have now changed this on ss.com

brizzythomas, you should find the cited height of 204m refers to the height above sea level, 200m refers to the roof level height quoted for every other skyscraper.

Culwulla's been over this a million times and I wouldnt doubt his integrity for a second....