^^
I always thought it was a beautiful stadium, that if maybe used in the right contry as a main Olympic stadium could have been preserved much better. Sad to see it go....

FORZA JUVE!

^^
I always thought it was a beautiful stadium, that if maybe used in the right contry as a main Olympic stadium could have been preserved much better. Sad to see it go....

FORZA JUVE!

even then. athletics stadia are a thing of the past unless they seat 20-30k. its just not sustainable, even in an olympic host city.

^^
Agreed. The ideal stadium IMO (and also my favorite stadium in the world) is the Stade de France which can host both athletic and football matches without an athletics track or a big distance between the stands and pitch. I wish more big stadiums had this feature....

^^
Agreed. The ideal stadium IMO (and also my favorite stadium in the world) is the Stade de France which can host both athletic and football matches without an athletics track or a big distance between the stands and pitch. I wish more big stadiums had this feature....

Well even then. There just aren't more than 1 or 2 40,000+ athletics events that warrant spending of millions on having a retractable feature.
Stade de France is fantastic, but apart from the IAAF 2003 champs, its in football/rugby mode all the time. The benefit to cost just isn't there.

Athletics stadia need to be built at 20k capacity with enough surrounding space to increase its capacity temporarily when the time arrives. Even the commonwealth games only need about 40,000 seats. The focus of any stadium should be what its going to host every week and what pulls in the revenues, not a possible olympic bid or possible athletics event.

Great photos, Mo Rush! where did you take them from? :)

Why don't they build their new stadium bigger? To be frank 40,200 is too small for a club like Juventus. 60,000~70,000 would be a suitable size.

It has been said many times, they based themselves on their average attendance... Juve has many fans around Italy, but a few of them actually go seeing the matches. I hope this will change, I'll give my hand (even if I'm not a fan) if prices will be sustainable and security improved.

^^
I always thought it was a beautiful stadium, that if maybe used in the right contry as a main Olympic stadium could have been preserved much better. Sad to see it go....

FORZA JUVE!

You're right. The Delle Alpi's run track has been used just once in circa 20 years, and moreover we already have a small Olympic arena for athletics meetings.

However, some news from Northern Torino, taken from the Italian forum:

stadio juve : il primo eco-compatibile e completamente privo di barriere architettoniche

http://rassegnastampa.comune.torino.it/orazionet/Rassegne/COMUNE%20TORINO/12/87139104.pdf

This .pdf, for those of you who're not fluent in Italian, says the concrete which once "made" the Delle Alpi will be re-used for the foundations; metals like steel, iron and copper will be separated on the pitch area and re-used in the stadium itself or sold, after being treated. Eco-friendly (made with lower emissions, if compared to others like glass and so on) materials will also be used, in order to contain its CO2 fingerprinting and costs.

Another thing: the new stadium will be fully usable by handicapped, in order to attract as many people as possible. I hope they'll replace the mentally-disabled who nowadays populate our stands (I'm speaking about hooligans), however.


ieri sono stato al delle alpi

ecco il reportage

scusate ma avevo solo mezzi di fortuna

il secondo anello della ovest è completamente smontato
ora stanno demolendo la est

video

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KD6EB3AP
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=82K1FCV4
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A2PWXSBU



http://nsa03.casimages.com/img/2008/12/17/081217055551536306.jpg
http://nsa03.casimages.com/img/2008/12/17/081217055837357795.jpg
http://nsa03.casimages.com/img/2008/12/17/081217060117269318.jpg

Photos and videos made by our forumer Delsa, he apologizes for their bad quality...

LAY_sLLOUx4

TG-5's service about the demolitions. It's quite nonsense, 'cause the reportar blames Juve for the actual delleAlpi, as if it was her fault for having built a place where you can't see a match (and it is not her fault!). but the broadcaster is Berlusconi's property, and the reporter is a well-known Torino FC supporter :)

Where does Juventus now playing while construction works ???

Olimpico. Shared with Torino

Olimpico. Shared with Torino

True indeed, right back my home... I even had a taste of tear gases, last year.

So so similar. But glad they are using my concept for the facade.
http://i35.tinypic.com/2mfhdnt.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Sketchup/20080803185126_6m37s.png

Where does Juventus now playing while construction works ???

Juve isn't playin on Delle Alpi for 3 seasons already.

WOWWWWW! DONT ASK ME WHY BUT QUITE POSSIBLY THE BEST EVER PHOTO POSTED ON SKYSCRAPERCITY! THE DEATH OF A STADIUM THE GREY SKY THE SCAL THE COLOURS BRILLIANT, PHOTOGRAPHER TAKEA BOW. I say it again WOOOOOWWWW!http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3075972582_7608fafcdf_b.jpg

Totally agreed. In fact I uploaded the two pics Details posted above into a South Korean football community. Many of those who saw the pics said it is a really fantastic photo and reminds them of the scenes in 'The day the earth stood still'. But unfortunately I have to wait until X-mas eve to check it out because the movie is not released by then in South Korea

The death of the Athletics Stadium!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3075972582_7608fafcdf_b.jpg

:uh: :uh:

Totally agreed. In fact I uploaded the two pics Details posted above into a South Korean football community. Many of those who saw the pics said it is a really fantastic photo and reminds them of the scenes in 'The day the earth stood still'. But unfortunately I have to wait until X-mas eve to check it out because the movie is not released by then in South Korea

Dont bother! the original is better, although the first 10 minutes is very good its just when keanu reeves starts speaking it all goes downhill.

Thanks for the useful infos, plasticterminator

the picture is amazing

Why don't they build their new stadium bigger? To be frank 40,200 is too small for a club like Juventus. 60,000~70,000 would be a suitable size.

Actually Juventus don't draw that many people when playing at home. They are the most popular club in Italy, but their fan base -curiously enough- is not concentrated in Turin, it seems to be spread all over the country.

The death of the Athletics Stadium!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3075972582_7608fafcdf_b.jpg

That looks evil... like the end of the world. The day the earth stood still.

it does.

Juventus Arena - my opinion

Congratulations for Juventus!

I can only say: At last!

The Delle Alpi has been a complete failure since very beginning. Exterior's architecture has been astonished, but the interior's design due to the poor visibility caused by the huge distance between the stands and the pitch was awful. Although only 18 years old, it has been extremely necessary to demolish it, to ensure the future of Juventus brighter.

The construction of new Juventus Arena is surely one of the historical moments of Italian football. For the first time, one Italian club will be the owner of it's stadium. And secondly, this is the beginning of modernization of Italian stadiums. Nowadays only San Siro represents a typical high class football stadium. Stadio Olimpico in Rome has the same problem as Delle Alpi and both, Lazio and Roma, will surely move away in few years.

I've been writing some articles about sociological aspects of sports and sports infrastructure. Juventus is among all big European clubs a special case. Considering the greatness of the club and the size of the city of Torino, it's always been interesting how poor support Juve has in the homeground. It's true, Juventus is more like all Italian club. The basic fan support comes from whole country. Torino is devided between Juve and Torino FC.

There are many reasony why such a low attendance:
- majority of Juve's fans is not located in Torino but outside the city
- awful stadium
- fans in Torino have never been as passionate as those in Rome or Milano

I like the project of new stadium. It's not an architecture masterpiece, but I'm quite sure it's going to have everything what modern stadium needs. And more important, all financial income inside new Arena goes directly to Juve's purse.

^^^^^^^^^^

They should have relocated to Milano. Juventus has a larger following in Milan. Leave Turin to FC Torino.

Relocate to Milano? Are you insane? Do you wish to get hundreds of shots from angry fans? Once a club settles down in a region, it cannot escape from the region forever. Regional base is like a fate to a club. Relocation of a football club is a crime for death sentence in Europe and South America. You can only have the freedom to relocate in afterworld

Regarding the capacity of Juventus Arena

Delle Alpi was simply too big. Also 60k is too much. I've always meant that Juve needs modern 50.000 seat stadium. if we look at the table, we can see that average attendace actually wasn't so bad. Since 1990 to 2003 the average attendance has always been 40.000 or more. Then the numbers have dropped every season but also in whole Italy the interest for football is decreasing. Today it seems 40k stadium is enough. You should know that fans always react very emotional when club decides to bulid new stadiums. They show their affiliation to club in attendance is higher as before.

For example. Bayern Munich has also played in the old Olympic stadium (69.000 seats) with athletic filed and in seasons 1994-2004 the average attendance was around 54.000. Now they have the same size stadium and the average in last 4 years has been between 66.000 and 69.000.

What I want to say is that from today's point of view 40.000 seat stadium is enough, but i'm 100% sure that in the first season of new stadium the average attendance will be for 5000 -10.000 people higher.

Of course club always prefer to see smaller but full stadiums as bigger but half empty. Team owners know the situation the best. They will see very soon if 40k is enough or not. The good thing is that Arena allows the further expansion.

Juve has already played 'home' games in Milan.

They were bandying about, quite seriously too, relocating to Naples not too long ago as their support is mainly from the 'southerners'.

If I was running the club, I would move to Milan. The few people from Turin that do follow Juve can take the train to watch them up the road at San Siro. Milan's population is about a 1/3 Juve, 1/3 Inter, 1/3 A.C. Milan. It is the town where the money is. Turin was big as an industrial city but that has been in decline for decades.

Juventus Arena - my opinion

Congratulations for Juventus!

I can only say: At last!

The Delle Alpi has been a complete failure since very beginning. Exterior's architecture has been astonished, but the interior's design due to the poor visibility caused by the huge distance between the stands and the pitch was awful. Although only 18 years old, it has been extremely necessary to demolish it, to ensure the future of Juventus brighter.

The construction of new Juventus Arena is surely one of the historical moments of Italian football. For the first time, one Italian club will be the owner of it's stadium. And secondly, this is the beginning of modernization of Italian stadiums. Nowadays only San Siro represents a typical high class football stadium. Stadio Olimpico in Rome has the same problem as Delle Alpi and both, Lazio and Roma, will surely move away in few years.

I've been writing some articles about sociological aspects of sports and sports infrastructure. Juventus is among all big European clubs a special case. Considering the greatness of the club and the size of the city of Torino, it's always been interesting how poor support Juve has in the homeground. It's true, Juventus is more like all Italian club. The basic fan support comes from whole country. Torino is devided between Juve and Torino FC.

There are many reasony why such a low attendance:
- majority of Juve's fans is not located in Torino but outside the city
- awful stadium
- fans in Torino have never been as passionate as those in Rome or Milano

I like the project of new stadium. It's not an architecture masterpiece, but I'm quite sure it's going to have everything what modern stadium needs. And more important, all financial income inside new Arena goes directly to Juve's purse.

Is this really true?! I know a lot of stadiums in Italy are municipal, but I didn't realise this is the first time a club would own its own stadium in Italy!

Or did he mean that this is the first time Juventus will own their own ground? His wording is ambiguous.

There are a couple of clubs in Serie B and other leagues which own their stadiums. But yes, Juventus will be the first club in the major league to own its own stadium.

Blimey. That surprises me.

Any updates

nothing, as usual

:D So true.

BTW do you think that it is possible to add a 3rd tier later?

Any updates

well,I think demolitions are still going on. and, until they're working inside the basin, you won't see anything from the outside.

however, this is the works timeline, taken from Juventus' website.

Novembre 2008: iniziati lavori demolizione Delle Alpi
Dicembre 2008/gennaio 2009: gara d'appalto per la costruzione
Febbraio 2009: scelta del contractor
Aprile 2009: inizio lavori costruzione stadio e area commerciale
Giugno 2011: fine lavori
Luglio 2011: inaugurazione

so, demolitions started in november 2008 and will last till spring 2009, I think. in these days it'll be held the call for tenders, which results will be published by february, hopefully. then, in April, works will start.

I have one hope, which is to see some webcams installed on cranes, visible on Juve FC website. I'll write them an e-mail asking for that, do the same!

Another thing which worries me is the call for tenders. here, due to our perverse law, firms which lost the call can start a lawsuit @ the TAR, regional amministrative tribunal, which can order the re-making of the call or, anyway, stop works until judges come out with a verdict. it's quite annoying, but this problem has affected many projects in Italy, even if foreign developers are involved.

You all! stop speaking about safety belts and crash helmets and get ready to hear some good news. Our forumer delsa has solved a concern about information flow from the stadium: he has a friend living/working nearby who can snap photos of the area, which is a good thing. however, this is the stadium just after last snowfall, jan. 8th:


http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/14/090114095917606099.jpg

not much to see, since they're all working on the inside which is quite dodgy to be seen, every building construction site here is guarded by angry "watchdogs"...but this is what delsa posted:

http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/14/090114095154167620.jpg
http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/14/090114095404493969.jpg
http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/13/09011306435781432.jpg
http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/14/090114095659616067.jpg

i think the red arrow indicates where they're starting to dismantle the external structure.

http://nsa04.casimages.com/img/2009/01/13/09011306435781432.jpg

Are they starting to dismantle the trees first? What a pity to them :lol:

the curtain, the curtain!!!!:ohno:

Really sorry to see this go in its current format. It may not work properly but in my opinion its an absolute beaut!!

Some photos from Flickr:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3308/3208940881_01000eaaf2_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3209880214_996279f6ac_b.jpg

source
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21906850@N00/sets/72157610325172725/

our forumer Delsa told us demolitions are still going on on the inside, while on the outside the area's been completely surrounded by a sort of barrier so nobody, from ground level, can see a thing. as usual.

two links to posts in the italian section, full of photos I didn't have the time to paste&copy here... so simply click on it! demolitions are still going on inside, the 3rd and last ring will be gone in weeks.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=32280332&postcount=431

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=32123670&postcount=427

thanks to delsa.

Della Alpi was one of my favourite stadiums in Italy :(

nooooooo that was one of my favourite stadiums

some new photos from the Italian section, thanks to Balengo86 and Delsa, as usual.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3034/09032009511.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=33362414&postcount=41

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4210/foto080302si.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3250/foto080301si.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9329/foto080303si.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=33388652&postcount=51

As you can see, demolition works have now reached South Stand's third tier.

Can somebody tell me what's the relation between mr. Crocodile Dundee's opinion about Italy and Southern Europe as a whole and a stadium? open up a new thread in the DLM to fill with prejudice and spam. here it's all about a place where people go to see football matches.Agreed!

I read somewhere that the demolition of Delle Alpi was supposed to be finished this month? If that's the case they are way behind. Hopefully they'll pick up the pace a bit.

Agreed!

I read somewhere that the demolition of Delle Alpi was supposed to be finished this month? If that's the case they are way behind. Hopefully they'll pick up the pace a bit.

well, third tier has almost completely gone by now and, according to those who see the project every day, this weekend the coverage will begin to fall. honestly, I think they're on schedule but I admit I don't remember the exact timetable.

Photos from the It-forum, thanks as usual to our priceless Delsa and Balengo:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0257.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0258.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0259.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0264.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0265.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/stefano83to/IMG_0269.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2828/18032009529.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1458/18032009535.jpg

as you can see, third tier is almost completely gone and the roof is about to fall. according to Delsa, it'll take 36 hours to make it collapse. they're already planning a day out to follow the event, it's gonna be fun.

Just a question is the stadium able to be expanded ever??

Because no doubt they will fill this every week and realise they have built way too small. I know they rarely got the the crowds before, but they never played in a purpose built modern football stadium before. Just look at other clubs throughout europe when they got new stadiums!

^^^^^^^^^^

Juventus has only a 'small' following in Turin. Torino FC is the BIG club in town.

Juventus' following is in the south of Italy.

^^^^^^^^^^

Juventus has only a 'small' following in Turin. Torino FC is the BIG club in town.

Juventus' following is in the south of Italy.

please stop with this bullshit...

IMO it looks like that it can be expaned by a 3rd tier

^^^^^^^^^^

Juventus has only a 'small' following in Turin. Torino FC is the BIG club in town.

Juventus' following is in the south of Italy.

both attendance averages have been just ridicolous in the past years. and, true indeed, Juve has got many supporters around Italy, not just in the south.

I don't know whether they'll expand it sooner or later. In my opinion, they won't. I admit not being a stadium expert, but I don't see, in renderings, how they'd manage to add, say, an extra 10k seats without closing it for months.

They can add a 3rd tier (goal stands will stay at 2 tiers)
http://i38.tinypic.com/33uublw.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2287/stadio7om3.png

^^^^^^^^^^

Juventus has only a 'small' following in Turin. Torino FC is the BIG club in town.

Juventus' following is in the south of Italy.

I have heard that before, I suspect it's the same as manchester, where it's roughly 50/50 in the city area but united have many more fans around the country.

However there is no reason why they can't average at least 50,000, it's not like Italy geography is huge, and transport connections are bad. Also they have done it before at least once if memory serves.

For me the only thing stopping them is the easy availability of games on television and the subsequent laziness on the fans part.

They can add a 3rd tier (goal stands will stay at 2 tiers)
http://i38.tinypic.com/33uublw.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2287/stadio7om3.png

Where are these plans coming from? what will it take capacity up to?

1st page of this thread :D
IMO they can add a 3rd tier tho this one
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2287/stadio7om3.png

I have heard that before, I suspect it's the same as manchester, where it's roughly 50/50 in the city area but united have many more fans around the country.

However there is no reason why they can't average at least 50,000, it's not like Italy geography is huge, and transport connections are bad. Also they have done it before at least once if memory serves.

For me the only thing stopping them is the easy availability of games on television and the subsequent laziness on the fans part.

Turin it's not the biggest team in Turin, Juventus attendance at Stadium is way bigger...In Piedmont region and the rest of Italy of course Juve's got many more fans than anyone else...

As you suggested, the problem is the easy availability of games on television

regalino...

<object width="640" height="505"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q4MT-prQfAY&hl=it&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q4MT-prQfAY&hl=it&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="505"></embed></object>

a request to the mods: should we move this thread? it's already been proposed, approved and financed. Yes, it's not technically being built, since demolitions are going on, but i found quite misleading keeping it here.

however, some photos from last weekend, when some forumers went up there to see how it was going on. the tiers have gone completely by now, and the coverage is going aswell. as you can see, some elements are already missing. according to what i had the chance to read around, they seem on schedule. don't trust too much on Juventus' website, the "new" photos they've been uploading recently are a month old.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3298/03042009581.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34600722&postcount=411

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5868/03042009583.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34600742&postcount=412

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9990/03042009589.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34600858&postcount=415

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1112/03042009572.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34600620&postcount=407

New update, today's pictures, by Balengo:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6664/06042009601.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34748842&postcount=444

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8219/06042009606.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34748934&postcount=446

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6743/06042009608.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34748964&postcount=447

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8899/06042009611.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34748984&postcount=448

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6447/06042009619.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34749094&postcount=451

Half of the coverage has gone from Friday...

They can add a 3rd tier (goal stands will stay at 2 tiers)
http://i38.tinypic.com/33uublw.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2287/stadio7om3.pngHey I've noticed you're very interested in VIP Boxes and different aspects of stadiums. Our new stadium looks quite steep compared with say, the Emirates. Do you have any numbers to see if I'm correct? Especially the first tier looks much steeper then Arsenals stadium. Looks like maybe 25 or more degrees on the first and 35+ on the second. Also the stands look much closer to the pitch.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2dbnztg.png

And yes I too think this could easily be expanded with a 3rd tier, or maybe more realistically extend the second tier, and it can be done without reducing capacity noteworthy during the process. For FIFA World Cup games the stadia has to be 50,000, so if Italy get the WC 2018 I think this will be expanded for that event.

With the climate in Turin I'd also like to see a roof added. One that can easily be removed for the summer. I think that would give Juventus a huge edge over the other northern Italian teams.

What is gonna be done to the red-coloured beams and the "A" on the south gate of the stadium? are they gonna be dismantled?

What is gonna be done to the red-coloured beams and the "A" on the south gate of the stadium? are they gonna be dismantled?

I would say, yes.

Hey I've noticed you're very interested in VIP Boxes and different aspects of stadiums. Our new stadium looks quite steep compared with say, the Emirates. Do you have any numbers to see if I'm correct? Especially the first tier looks much steeper then Arsenals stadium. Looks like maybe 25 or more degrees on the first and 35+ on the second. Also the stands look much closer to the pitch.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2dbnztg.png

And yes I too think this could easily be expanded with a 3rd tier, or maybe more realistically extend the second tier, and it can be done without reducing capacity noteworthy during the process. For FIFA World Cup games the stadia has to be 50,000, so if Italy get the WC 2018 I think this will be expanded for that event.

With the climate in Turin I'd also like to see a roof added. One that can easily be removed for the summer. I think that would give Juventus a huge edge over the other northern Italian teams.

Actually by using the section plan at sketchup i measured
1st tier: 25° (very very steep)
2nd tier: 35°

What is gonna be done to the red-coloured beams and the "A" on the south gate of the stadium? are they gonna be dismantled?

Now it's official: demolition of those red "A" is a matter of weeks...In june construction of the new stadium will start. Everything is going as planned!

Has a construction company been appointed yet? If so what is name? Thanks.

It will be appointed in the next weeks. We've got 5 candidate companies, as far as I know

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zCFL-V4i92c&hl=it&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zCFL-V4i92c&hl=it&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

It will be appointed in the next weeks. We've got 5 candidate companies, as far as I know

Thanks for info, do you know the names of the 5 companies bidding for contract?

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi01.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi02.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi03.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi04.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi05.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi06.jpg

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/quijuve/16895_album/delle_alpi07.jpg

I am asking a question:

why don't they use dynamite to destroy the stadium ?

I am asking a question:

why don't they use dynamite to destroy the stadium ?

please note, that 1st and 2nd tier were under ground level.

third tier was built with steel architecture and cement prefabricated blocks. Roof coverage was of steel as well.

I guess they chose this type of demolition in order to recover building materials...

Even if they do a new stadium, it will be the "Home of cheaters" FOREVER!

Even if they do a new stadium, it will be the "Home of cheaters" FOREVER!

back to Lille

Even if they do a new stadium, it will be the "Home of cheaters" FOREVER!Hey here's a problem for you. I suspect it's right up your alley.

http://blog.wabbadabba.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/idiot-test.gif

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Inter has a 10 point buffer at the top.

Almost time for the fat lady to start warming her vocal chords. Maybe another 3 or 4 weeks before it is basically all over now.

That will take the nerrazzuri to 17 championships. At the current rate they will have their second star in 2012 and closing in on the overall lead.

Chances are Inter will never catch Juventus. We are one from the third star. The only reason they've won the last stretch is because we gave them Zlatan. Without him they'd be the same old shit they've always been.

Chances are Inter will never catch Juventus. We are one from the third star. The only reason they've won the last stretch is because we gave them Zlatan. Without him they'd be the same old shit they've always been.

You haven't give them Zlatan, he went from juve, cuz nobody wants to play in second league :)

You haven't give them Zlatan, he went from juve, cuz nobody wants to play in second league :)You obviously missed the point, completely. Inter won because of Farcapoli. Without it, Inter probably would not have won another Scudetti in our lifetime. All titles before Juventus or Milan win again are tainted and basically worthless.

There used to be suspicion of Juventus and those miraculous 'championships' with inferior teams to that of the other large clubs.

Then the scandal basically revealed everyone's suspicions. It confirmed what we all secretly knew but could not prove.

Really the last 10 championships that Juventus won at least must be viewed sceptically. It is sad, but if you are a Juve supporter even you must look differently at it all, it was all fake and just like 'The Truman Show'.

All titles before Juventus or Milan win again are tainted and basically worthless.

Yeah and the titles won by those who were relegated aren't tainted. :| Inter deserves all those titles because the other teams cheated and got what they deserved (actually less than what they deserved but oh well...).

There used to be suspicion of Juventus and those miraculous 'championships' with inferior teams to that of the other large clubs.When exactly did Juve win with a inferior team to Inter?

And Juve didn't win 10 Championships with Moggi at the club.

Yeah and the titles won by those who were relegated aren't tainted. :| Inter deserves all those titles because the other teams cheated and got what they deserved (actually less than what they deserved but oh well...).Cheated? Explain.

Cheated? Explain.

And why was actually Juve relegated into serie b? I would like to hear your story.

Stadium?

Hey here's a problem for you. I suspect it's right up your alley.

http://blog.wabbadabba.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/idiot-test.gif

I'm sorry for you but i'm not an idiot! It's not my fault if this team buys its matches! Didn't they go to SERIE B??

And why was actually Juve relegated into serie b? I would like to hear your story.So you don't know? Why are you discussing this with a Juventus fan if you have no idea what you're talking about. That makes no sense and it's not likely you'll be taken seriously.

I'm sorry for you but i'm not an idiot! It's not my fault if this team buys its matches! Didn't they go to SERIE B??What matches did Juventus buy?

Only the skeleton left now. I suspect the rest of the demolition will be fast.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2239/14042009665.jpg


What a beautiful stadium this was!

http://www.kennell.it/images/fotoProspettoStadio_sito.jpg

^^ before








and after........



..



http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/graphics/stadio-juve-1.jpg


http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/graphics/stadio-juve-2.jpg



http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/graphics/stadio-juve-6.jpg



http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/graphics/stadio-juve-4.jpg

It's almost under ground

So you don't know? Why are you discussing this with a Juventus fan if you have no idea what you're talking about. That makes no sense and it's not likely you'll be taken seriously.

I do know, everyone does, but I want to to hear you, since you have said that juve never cheated or bought games.

gotta say juve kinda got cheated out of serie a in 2000 in that farce game against perugia in the swamp. Although it was refreshing. Inter shoudl've won in 1999 and 2002 as well. All swings and roundabouts, although it's helped Juve more than most.

On the stadium, i thought they were going for black and white striped blocks with the seats??

love the seat colours. very cool project this.

I do know, everyone does, but I want to to hear you, since you have said that juve never cheated or bought games.If you say we bought games then you don't know what you're talking about. Simple as that. The Calciopoli courts found no evidence of any refs having been paid to give Juve a advantage. In fact, most of the refs involved here were not considered 'Juventus friendly' referees and Juve would on average collect less points when they were in charge then with other officials. That Moggi and Pairetto talked on the phone for houndreds of hours and not once were there talk about buying games, shows that no such thing ever happened. It was decided long before this started that Juventus had to be punished no matter what, and the Juve lawyers were never allowed to prepare a proper defense.

That being said, have Juve gotten favours from refs through the years? Yes, absolutely. So has Man United and Real Madrid. Basically all the dominant teams get favours from the refs. Did they need it or ask for it? No. Is it Juventus fault? No. It's just the way it is. Big teams and star players usually get the benefit of the doubt from officials. It's always been that way and chances are it will never change. As is evident by Inters situation the last couple seasons. They've been getting more help from the referees then Juventus ever did.

gotta say juve kinda got cheated out of serie a in 2000 in that farce game against perugia in the swamp. Although it was refreshing. Inter shoudl've won in 1999 and 2002 as well. All swings and roundabouts, although it's helped Juve more than most.Not as much as Inter has been the last two seasons....
On the stadium, i thought they were going for black and white striped blocks with the seats??I was sure that would happen too. I like the setup they have now as well. Either works fine in my book.

Duck mansion--> sorry for you but this stadium is smaller than the others BIG CLUBS lol

Juventus is just a small team who deserves to lose all their scudettos they bought!!!

Juventus is the team of cheaters. just like that! :)

How old are you? 12?

Not as much as Inter has been the last two seasons....

key words, last two seasons. It'd take a century to catch up with Juve. I've heard accounts of both fiorentina and Roma being robbed of scudetti in the 1980s.

and the first season that refs were chosen at random was what 84-85?? And who won serie a?? Verona, who were second?? Torino, coincidence?? I think not!!

Duck mansion--> sorry for you but this stadium is smaller than the others BIG CLUBS lol

Juventus is just a small team who deserves to lose all their scudettos they bought!!!

Juventus is the team of cheaters. just like that! :)


I'm not a football fan so please forgive me for asking it:

who the f**k cares about Juventus' biggerness?
Juventus has been cheating, has been punished, in my opinion they got less than what they deserved, but they changed a lot. got a whole new management, done a year in Serie B, everything. I don't think it's all over, and I don't think italian football is completely "clean" now.
however, read the title: it's about a s-t-a-d-i-u-m. not about the chaps in underwear running on its grass, not about their titles.

and they did a 40,000 people arena. it might be big or not, they've made some figures and found out that's the right number. moreover, as said before, according to projects it can be expanded, if necessary.
As for me, this is an enormous achievement for italy. here stadiums are still as dangerous as a Brazilian prison during riotings, a place where i'd be glad to bring my family IS a turning point, no matter how big it is.

according to projects it can be expanded, if necessary
What would be the capacity?
70k?

What would be the capacity?
70k?

no clue! actually, I based myself on the photos you posted on post #299. I don't think it'll manage to grow up till 70k, it'd get almost twice as big as it is now, maybe they'd have to re-think everything, from safety exits to bars, WCs and so on.

They can add a 3rd tier (goal stands will stay at 2 tiers)
http://i38.tinypic.com/33uublw.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2287/stadio7om3.png

however, our priceless forumer Balengo86 has sent us another round of fresh updates, let me just paste and copy one of them:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2697/16042009674z.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=35235684&postcount=144

I'm not a football fan so please forgive me for asking it:

who the f**k cares about Juventus' biggerness?
Juventus has been cheating, has been punished, in my opinion they got less than what they deserved, but they changed a lot. got a whole new management, done a year in Serie B, everything. I don't think it's all over, and I don't think italian football is completely "clean" now.
however, read the title: it's about a s-t-a-d-i-u-m. not about the chaps in underwear running on its grass, not about their titles.

and they did a 40,000 people arena. it might be big or not, they've made some figures and found out that's the right number. moreover, as said before, according to projects it can be expanded, if necessary.
As for me, this is an enormous achievement for italy. here stadiums are still as dangerous as a Brazilian prison during riotings, a place where i'd be glad to bring my family IS a turning point, no matter how big it is.

That's what i said: a small stadium for this team .We agree :)

I have to ask whats Juve's average attendence and do they expect to fill the new stadium

average attendance is around 20000. quite good

That's what i said: a small stadium for this team .We agree :)

er...where did you read that? never said that, you must have read someone else's post.

nowadays average is of course around 20,000 but you can't make no fuzz on it, since the Comunale, where they're playing now, can host 23k people...i think that, when they were playing at the old delle alpi, it was bigger. somebody, some posts before, posted it.

key words, last two seasons. It'd take a century to catch up with Juve. I've heard accounts of both fiorentina and Roma being robbed of scudetti in the 1980s.There have been research done on these things and Inter always got more favours from the refs then Juventus and Milan. But the last two seasons it's been taken to a whole nother level. The reason no one cared before was that Inter always sucked anyway.and the first season that refs were chosen at random was what 84-85?? And who won serie a?? Verona, who were second?? Torino, coincidence?? I think not!! So you're trying to say that with random refs Verona would be the most successful team in Italy? Funny. If not very smart. Milan and Juventus have consistently had the best teams in Serie A since the late 80s. All you have to do is look at the teams and use your brain. It's not a very complicated sport. The best usually win.

I'm not a football fan so please forgive me for asking it:

who the f**k cares about Juventus' biggerness?
Juventus has been cheating, has been punished, in my opinion they got less than what they deserved, but they changed a lot. got a whole new management, done a year in Serie B, everything. I don't think it's all over, and I don't think italian football is completely "clean" now.
however, read the title: it's about a s-t-a-d-i-u-m. not about the chaps in underwear running on its grass, not about their titles.

and they did a 40,000 people arena. it might be big or not, they've made some figures and found out that's the right number. moreover, as said before, according to projects it can be expanded, if necessary.
As for me, this is an enormous achievement for italy. here stadiums are still as dangerous as a Brazilian prison during riotings, a place where i'd be glad to bring my family IS a turning point, no matter how big it is.Thank you! This really is a big deal for Italian football. I can't wait for it to be finished. I hope this stadium can keep that Italian atmosphere and steal some of that safe feeling you get from English arenas. I'd hate for it to turn into a library like in the Premier League.

What would be the capacity?
70k?I doubt it will be expanded to more then about 55k, atleast in the first step. If Juve somehow start selling that out then it might be expanded to 70. We did average 50k not too long ago with the horrible Delle Alpi so it is possible. A new stadium usually boost attendance dramatically and Juventus have never had a stadium like this before where the spectators are close to the pitch. I think it will be expanded to 50k+ inside of 10 years.

er...where did you read that? never said that, you must have read someone else's post.

nowadays average is of course around 20,000 but you can't make no fuzz on it, since the Comunale, where they're playing now, can host 23k people...i think that, when they were playing at the old delle alpi, it was bigger. somebody, some posts before, posted it.Avg attendance during the 1990s..

1990-1991 43.114
1991-1992 51.832
1992-1993 45.868
1993-1994 44.520
1994-1995 47.866
1995-1996 41.946
1996-1997 39.271
1997-1998 47.347
1998-1999 47.164
1999-2000 42.229

And that was in a terrible stadium!

I did some photoshopping, rather amateurish I might add (it's my first time!).

40k

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2977/030500.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8812/35146802.jpg

Does this look like about 55k to you guys?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/960/juve55k.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6649/juve55k2.jpg

serie A always had scandals about dopping and cheating.It's a natural way of riunning of this championship

Nooooooooo.
I want a 3rd tier and not just an extented 2nd one :D

Nooooooooo.
I want a 3rd tier and not just an extented 2nd one :DYou think that would be possible? It would have to be crazy steep!

Why not :)
38-40°.
And you can put suites or restaurant / lounge between 2nd and 3rd tier

Why did they not keep the outside structure and the roof of Delle Alpi, as the first plans ?? I liked it...

Why not :)
38-40°.
And you can put suites or restaurant / lounge between 2nd and 3rd tierOr they could do like I did and then add a third tier and bring it up to 70k :D

I've always wanted to see a stadium like that. With a really big second tier instead of the usual tiny second with a large third.

Why did they not keep the outside structure and the roof of Delle Alpi, as the first plans ?? I liked it...Because that would be a huge waste of space. The roof of the old stadium wouldn't cover the new stands inside.

Because that would be a huge waste of space. The roof of the old stadium wouldn't cover the new stands inside.

I Mean like that:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7353/juventusarena2.jpghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6480/juventusarena1.jpghttp://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9316/juventusarena3.jpg

I Mean like that:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7353/juventusarena2.jpg Oh that one. Well that doesn't make much sense either. I think the new exterior is nice. And there's that funky thing when it vibrates. I think it'll be awesome!

Or they could do like I did and then add a third tier and bring it up to 70k :D

I've always wanted to see a stadium like that. With a really big second tier instead of the usual tiny second with a large third.

But than it would look like San Siro :D

Oh that one. Well that doesn't make much sense either. I think the new exterior is nice. And there's that funky thing when it vibrates. I think it'll be awesome!

Yes it surely will, but I liked the outside of Stadio Delle Alpi.....

Farewell Delle Alpi, you were so young (18)......:lol:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7627/image4copie.jpg

But than it would look like San Siro :DNot at all. San Siro only has two tiers.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5255/sansiro.jpg

Yes it surely will, but I liked the outside of Stadio Delle Alpi.....

Farewell Delle Alpi, you were so young (18)......:lol:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7627/image4copie.jpgI love the exterior of Delle too! I will miss it :(

Why not :)
38-40°.
And you can put suites or restaurant / lounge between 2nd and 3rd tierHow about this one?

70k

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/894/juve70k.jpg

I's take that over Alianza any day!

There have been research done on these things and Inter always got more favours from the refs then Juventus and Milan. But the last two seasons it's been taken to a whole nother level. The reason no one cared before was that Inter always sucked anyway.

You got proof to back that up?? I doubt it.

So you're trying to say that with random refs Verona would be the most successful team in Italy? Funny. If not very smart.

That paragraph actually shows you up in all you foolish glory.

Let me break it down for you, Verona had a good team, if the refs were CHOSEN they probably wouldn't have won the league. What is so hard about that to understand?!!?!?!?

Milan and Juventus have consistently had the best teams in Serie A since the late 80s. All you have to do is look at the teams and use your brain. It's not a very complicated sport. The best usually win.

Instead of TRYING to insult me, how about you make some decent points, ah??

Using the word usually would point out that on some occassions they don't, and i will put it to you that on many of the occasions Juventus have won the league since the 1980s they weren't the best team.

But hey you seem very blinkered to the great ship old lady so i'll leave you be...

On the stadium, i am still dissapointed that a club this size has aimed so low, and i hope this isn't a sign of things to come in italy, if more of the big clubs move on to new stadiums.

Using the word usually would point out that on some occassions they don't, and i will put it to you that on many of the occasions Juventus have won the league since the 1980s they weren't the best team.
When? You said many, I want many. We've won 11 Scudetti since 1980. 4+ would qualify as many....

^^Juventus have won 9 scudetti since 1980. Obviously you are counting the two that you were caught cheating for. ( 1980–81; 1981–82; 1983–84; 1985–86; 1994–95; 1996–97; 1997–98; 2001–02; 2002–03 )

ok

Roma 1980-81, Robbed

Fiorentina 1981-82, Robbed

Inter 1997-98, Robbed

Inter 2002-03, Threw it away on the last game

That's 4.

^^Juventus have won 9 scudetti since 1980. Obviously you are counting the two that you were caught cheating for. ( 1980–81; 1981–82; 1983–84; 1985–86; 1994–95; 1996–97; 1997–98; 2001–02; 2002–03 )You forgot 2005 and 2006. That makes 11.

ok

Roma 1980-81, Robbed

Fiorentina 1981-82, Robbed

Inter 1997-98, Robbed

Inter 2002-03, Threw it away on the last game

That's 4. You must be out of your skin if you think anyone in Serie A had a better team then Juve in 1981 and 1982. And who exactly had a better team in 1998 and 03? Inter? What a fucking joke. Laughable. Go player by player. Inter 1998 had three great players. Juve were stocked at every position. 2003 Inter had nothing. Show me player by player, at all positions, and then we can talk.

You forgot 2005 and 2006. That makes 11.

it is now so obvious you don't know what you are talking about.

the 2005 title has been vacated, and inter won the 2006 title as Juventus were relegated for CHEATING

Something which i have already mentioned.

You must be out of your skin if you think anyone in Serie A had a better team then Juve in 1981 and 1982. And who exactly had a better team in 1998 and 03? Inter? What a fucking joke. Laughable. Go player by player. Inter 1998 had three great players. Juve were stocked at every position. 2003 Inter had nothing. Show me player by player, at all positions, and then we can talk.

stop with the idiocy. Juventus won 3 of those titles based on dubious decisions in dubious games. In 2002 Inter threw it away in the last gamr, you would've noticed the mistake if you knew what you were taking about but you clearly don't.

Those teams were better, Juventus cheated, they were finally punished in 2006, doesn't change the fact though. Stop with your blind faith!

Juventus couls easily been suspected to have cheated for ALL their titles!! Cheater one day, cheater Forever!!!

Guys, this forum has got a sports bar section ;)

it is now so obvious you don't know what you are talking about.

the 2005 title has been vacated, and inter won the 2006 title as Juventus were relegated for CHEATING

Something which i have already mentioned.Juve beat Inter by 14 points in 2005 and 15 points in 2006 you muppet. Of all the games investigated by the Calciopoli courts nothing was found to be wrong.

stop with the idiocy. Juventus won 3 of those titles based on dubious decisions in dubious games. In 2002 Inter threw it away in the last gamr, you would've noticed the mistake if you knew what you were taking about but you clearly don't.

Those teams were better, Juventus cheated, they were finally punished in 2006, doesn't change the fact though. Stop with your blind faith!The 1996-98 Juve team is regarded as one of the greatest teams in football history. The 81 and 82 teams had the best defense the world has ever seen. And Inter is known for throwing away titles. That's not Juves fault. I'm done with you.

Guys, this forum has got a sports bar section ;)This more what you were thinking?

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4663/juvee.png

yeah. And come one. 3 tiers lookes better than 2 (or 2,5) :D

Would be great if they will expand it to 70k like the old delle alpi capacity

Maybe it looks better but for atmosphere I like a really big steep terrace.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8696/mestalla.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9303/dortmundd.jpg

You have to admit that looks alot more intimidating???

Juve beat Inter by 14 points in 2005 and 15 points in 2006 you muppet. Of all the games investigated by the Calciopoli courts nothing was found to be wrong.

haha so why were Juventus stripped of the titles and relegated then? you're the muppet bruv!

and why are you bringing inter into this, jealous much...

yeah. And come one. 3 tiers lookes better than 2 (or 2,5) :D

Would be great if they will expand it to 70k like the old delle alpi capacity

Why would they want to expand it to 70k when they hardly ever need more than 40k seats?

The 1996-98 Juve team is regarded as one of the greatest teams in football history.

by who... that team was very good but, come on...


The 81 and 82 teams had the best defense the world has ever seen.

That doesn't mean you have the best team. You can't defend Juventus stealing the titles in either of those two seasons, look at the facts.


And Inter is known for throwing away titles. That's not Juves fault. I'm done with you.

Did i say it was. You asked me to name occassions when Juventus weren't the best team, and i named numerous.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about and are defending the defenceless, it's embarrassing really!

Why would they want to expand it to 70k when they hardly ever need more than 40k seats?

The future, if italian football ever gets with the real world, big clubs might start filling their stadiums like they should.

Why would they want to expand it to 70k when they hardly ever need more than 40k seats?

Of course we are not talking about the next 10-15 years.
But who knows. Maybe in 20-25 years 40k could be too small.

Duck Manson
Or they add at 3 stands a 3rd tier. While the 2nd tier of the "ultra" stand will be extended

^^ it might be too small as soon as it is open, it might spark unprecedented demand to watch live football in a state of the art stadium

:lol: I don't understand why do you want a increasement to 70k?? The old del alpi was 70k no??
Why they demolished it? To rebuilt a 70K ?? are you dumb !! :lol:

Its just a idea.
Nobody knows what will happen in 25-30 years.
Actually the main discussion is just if it can be expaned and what would be better.
3rd tier or extented 2nd tier.

I'm convinced that if they notice in the first seasons in the new stadium that the attendance is high they will go for 50k...They've clearly explained it: they build a 40k stadium but they are ready to expand it if necessary.

:lol: I don't understand why do you want a increasement to 70k?? The old del alpi was 70k no??
Why they demolished it? To rebuilt a 70K ?? are you dumb !! :lol:You missed the whole point of why they are building a new stadium. Dell'Alpi never was a good venue to watch football. It wasn't even a proper athletics stadium, as the track is not official. If they were convinced they would be able to fill a 70,000-seat pure football stadium, they would have built one. Starting with a 40,000-seat stadium is a good idea. Maybe the new, intimate atmosphere will boost attendances. Better to start with a (relatively) full stadium than a half empty one. Don't forget that Juve is currently playing in a 25k stadium (Comunale). It would take some time to increase attendances by 45k, and all those empty places in the mean time wouldn't be a good thing for atmosphere and thus not very attractive for the spectators, so the goals of the new stadium would be missed.

Why would they want to expand it to 70k when they hardly ever need more than 40k seats?How would you know that? It's not very long ago that Juve averaged 50k while playing in one of the worst stadia ever built. With a spectator friendly stadium there's no reason to think that won't happen again.

Of course we are not talking about the next 10-15 years.
But who knows. Maybe in 20-25 years 40k could be too small.

Duck Manson
Or they add at 3 stands a 3rd tier. While the 2nd tier of the "ultra" stand will be extendedI still think this looks best. For 55k and 70k.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/960/juve55k.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/894/juve70k.jpg

:lol: I don't understand why do you want a increasement to 70k?? The old del alpi was 70k no??
Why they demolished it? To rebuilt a 70K ?? are you dumb !! :lol:I'd be careful about calling anyone dumb if I was you. They didn't demolish the Delle because it was too big. They demolished it because it was a terrible stadia for football specatators and for safety reasons.

I'd be careful about calling anyone dumb if I was you. They didn't demolish the Delle because it was too big. They demolished it because it was a terrible stadia for football specatators and for safety reasons.

i still ask then: Why they don't build right now a 50k or 60k stadium?? :lol:

Too big ? :lol:

i still ask then: Why they don't build right now a 50k or 60k stadium?? :lol:

Too big ? :lol:To increase demand and ticket prices. If a 60k stadium was built that would likely not be possible. Just like if Man United had a 80k stadium 30 years ago they wouldn't have the match day revenue they have today. They expanded it little by little to keep demand at a peak.

To increase demand and ticket prices. If a 60k stadium was built that would likely not be possible. Just like if Man United had a 80k stadium 30 years ago they wouldn't have the match day revenue they have today. They expanded it little by little to keep demand at a peak.

This is the most appropiate answer to all complaints about the "small" capacity of this stadium ;) I agree!

so, higher prices will mean less people willing to go there. those who use to go to matches are, here and everywhere else I think,are mostly working class males. the strong industrial crisis which hit Torino from the late '80s also affected stadium's attendance: No it didn't. Juventus averages in early 1990s were the highest in their history.

Yeah but the length of "hangover" varies from club-to-club. Also not all clubs need a well performing team to maintain good attendance.

Yes, but you need a well performing club to further increase demand


I'd hope the new juve stadium is so amazing that it creates unprecendented demand and they have to increase and other clubs begin to see the value of modern club owned football only stadiums and it sparks the revival of Italian football.

Fully agree.

the truth:

-English stadiums are able to fill a 70k crowd each saturday or subday

-Juventus isn't able to!

just the truth...

About Man Utd they already had attendance of 75k in the 30's.That doesn't mean there was a need for a 80k stadium. Juve can fill 80k too for certain games.

the truth:

-English stadiums are able to fill a 70k crowd each saturday or subday

-Juventus isn't able to!

just the truth...You're wrong. How many times do you have to make a complete ass of yourself before you leave this board? It's getting embarrassing. And quite annoying I might add.

That doesn't mean there was a need for a 80k stadium. Juve can fill 80k too for certain games.

I didn't say Juventus needs a bigger stadium.... on the contrary I told the choice of a 40k stadium is a right choice for the moment.
Again, I think smaller and more suitable stadiums are better for the atmosphere of serie A, some stadiums in Italy are too much large, like in Bologna, Bari, Cagliari, old Delle Alpi, Verona, Florence.. etc even San Siro, for Inter games, or Olimpico, for Lazio games......

Duck Manson
Or they add at 3 stands a 3rd tier. While the 2nd tier of the "ultra" stand will be extendedOooh now I understand what you mean. 3 tiers on the sides and two behind the goals. I'd go for that!

Well it can be quite a waste of money to have a number of extensions instead of going bigger right away.Doesn't have to be. What Juventus want to do is increase match-day revenue dramatically. Building a huge stadium right away would make that very difficult because the demand for tickets wouldn't exist. Anyone could get a ticket. With a small stadium the ticket price will rocket and after some years then you expand. Also for atmosphere reasons it's a great idea to start small and expand later. Once you get those 40k to go to games consistently, you won't lose those people once you expand. Then you add 8-15k whenever it's needed.

from the italian forum:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/162/dsc4657d.jpg

Turin's biggest hi-fi...

It will be appointed in the next weeks. We've got 5 candidate companies, as far as I know

Any update on this?

those cables are in pretty bad shape.

Genius! Biggest photo ever?

Any update on this?

I was wrong, we actually have 3 candidates:
Rosso
Cmb
Gdm costruzioni

Winner will be appointed on May 15.

those cables are in pretty bad shape.They've been cut to take down the roof.

Big day today. Today is when the winning bid contractor for the stadium is announced and they will then take over the site.

:cheers:

I didn't say Juventus needs a bigger stadium.... on the contrary I told the choice of a 40k stadium is a right choice for the moment.
Again, I think smaller and more suitable stadiums are better for the atmosphere of serie A, some stadiums in Italy are too much large, like in Bologna, Bari, Cagliari, old Delle Alpi, Verona, Florence.. etc even San Siro, for Inter games, or Olimpico, for Lazio games......

Italian clubs have no control over the capacity of the stadiums they play in due to the simple fact that they don't own them. They have to make do with whatever is available in the city they represent.

^^Indeed, I know that, but it needs to change, Juve is going to build its own stadium (Lazio also ??) and I think most clubs must follow these examples.
Anyway, maybe authorities should ask to clubs before build gigantic stadiums.....

In France this is the same probleme (not about size), we have also municipal stadiums (except few clubs), but this is beginning to change with many new projects and refurbishments including privates ones (PSG, Lyon, Strasbourg, Lens, Racing Metro -rugby team-, Marseille ??).

Anyway, maybe authorities should ask to clubs before build gigantic stadiums.....Why?

sorry for the lack of updates, being quite busy at the moment, even to paste/copy the mine of infos Balengo and Delsa are posting on the Italian section. and it seems nobody else wants to do the job for me!

anyway, here some beautiful photos that Juventus finally decided to upload on their website.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6728/aaad.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2739/sssssi.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2715/klklkl.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4946/gggggggg.jpg

thanks to Isola-man.
those aren't state of the art photos, Balengo posted some yesterday which are way freshier. as you can see, the ol' Delle Alpi has gone.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2a6roeq.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/5zo7wp.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/ta4sbr.jpg

Is Stadio delle Alpi really going to be torn down?

If it will, it would be such a shame.

^^Yes it will !!...And I agree with you......

The Juventus Arena is on more

Is Stadio delle Alpi really going to be torn down?

If it will, it would be such a shame.

It's already been torn down...
http://i40.tinypic.com/2012b5y.jpg
it was definitely not a soccer stadium, because of the athlethic track. And it was not a comfortable one, too. That's why they're gonna build this new stadium...

These vids show how they demolished the tensile structure a few days ago:cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtxjOjMIOrk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V66DbJODJqk&NR=1

we actually have 3 candidates:
Rosso
Cmb
Gdm costruzioni

Winner will be appointed on May 15.

Winner is Rosso, anyway:)

Is Stadio delle Alpi really going to be torn down?

If it will, it would be such a shame.

it has been turned down, as you can see. for me the real shame is that it was actually built like it was!

^^ Indeed for its interior (with its athletics track never used) but its exterior architecture was remarkable !!

it has been turned down, as you can see. for me the real shame is that it was actually built like it was!

I apologize- I missed the previous posts.

Will this new Juventus Arena be used for big concerts?

Stadio delle Alpi held a ton of concerts over the years- from U2 to The Police.

So I was wondering if this new stadium will do the same.

Do you guys think Juventus Arena will become a concert venue?

Jericho-79, this forum is about stadium and arena, not concert.

He just ask if the stadium will host concerts in the future :)

I apologize- I missed the previous posts.

Will this new Juventus Arena be used for big concerts?

Stadio delle Alpi held a ton of concerts over the years- from U2 to The Police.

So I was wondering if this new stadium will do the same.

Do you guys think Juventus Arena will become a concert venue?

not sure about it actually, but i might have read that juventus is not really thinking at the new arena as a concert venue. they had a lot of complains in past years, when delle alpi was still in use, 'cause the stage and the crowd left the ground in such a state that nobody could actually play on it.

anyway, i don't think torino will be affected by this decision a lot, we've got plenty of spaces where to do a big concert, from the Comunale to the Olympics indoor arenas. there are also big parks which host concerts frequently. getting massively OT, we lack some smaller places, for a 3k crowd i mean and this is a serious problem since, for example, Interpol or Kasabian will never fill the PalaIsozaki, sadly.

Do you guys think Juventus Arena will become a concert venue?No doubt about it. A concert with 40k people can bring in more then €1m net profit for the club.

Is Juventus open to naming rights for the new arena? Like most of the stadiums in Gemany?

Is Juventus open to naming rights for the new arena? Like most of the stadiums in Gemany?

Yes, the name of the stadium will be appointed soon:)

Any news?

Demolition is completed, the effective construction should start in a few days, Cobolli Gigli said.

the thing is we won't see a damn from ground level 'till the building starts to rise and that will happen later on, I guess. The only hope we've got, apart from hiring an helicopter, is that Juventus will mount a constantly-updated webcame on top of cranes. Unfortunately it seems nobody actually cares about this sort of device here, and nobody among the fans is interested in it, it seems.

One of the reasons that the old Delle Alpi Stadium was demolished was because it didn't have one of those "warmup athletics tracks" near the stadium. Five other stadiums used for the 1990 World Cup have a track inside them and have no warmup tracks, but there are no plans for their demolition and/or replacement with rectangular football-specific stadiums:

San Paolo Stadium, Naples
San Nicola Stadium, Bari
Marcantonio Bentegadi, Verona
Sant'Ella Stadium, Cagliari (the stadium had a (bad) restructuration in 2003 with new temporary-looking stands in the north, south, and east sides of the stadium which apparently made the stadium look ugly)
Stadio Friuli, Udine

Two other 1990 WC Stadiums have tracks surronding the field and do have a nearby warmup track:

Dall'ara Stadium, Bologna
Stadio Olimpico, Rome (its warmup track is actually in the Stadio del Marmi)

Also, two WC 1990 stadiums are purely rectangular football-specific stadiums with no tracks at all:

San Siro Stadium, Milan
Luigi Ferraris Stadium, Genoa

And the Artemio Franchi Stadium in Florence has a warmup track, but thestadium itself does not have a track surrounding the field (the track was removed before the World Cup). Also, its stands look messed up. I think Florence should build a new stadium.

Well, it's always up to clubs doing it. don't expect local governments to do anything about that, they got most serious things to deal with their resources, like paying debts for their stock-exchange mistakes.

However, as some might know, the European Elections here came with some local elections aswell. Firenze's candidate major for PD, centre-left party, has promised to decide at the very first day of his mandate where to build the new stadium for Fiorentina. He got about 47-49% of ballots, not enough to win at first turn anyway. we have to wait then...

When did the construction start of this stadium?

I think that Juve deserves a bigger stadium

They should have copied the Durban stadiums design, which is basically a better version and more football friendly version of the original Delle Alpi. This design is in one word crap and the capacity is a bit too low for a great club like Juventus. Yes I know their attendances have been rubbish traditionally but they will increase when they move into their new improved fan friendly stadium, the stadium should have a capacity of at least 45,000.

http://i44.tinypic.com/23vku4y.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/oq97h0.jpg

mm. i don't like at all this stadium!
The design is no coherent with the giant pillars!
an example oh what to not make.. :ohno:

mm. i don't like at all this stadium!
The design is no coherent with the giant pillars!
an example oh what to not make.. :ohno:I love it. What I'm wondering about though is how close to the actual stadium are those pillars? Would they have to come down should Juve decide to expand?

We need pics. Seriously.

new pics
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/index.php?folder=sites&site=news_detail&news_id=3281

seen on the Italian forum, and posting it here.

L’ESEMPIO VIRTUOSO
Il nuovo stadio bianconero I lavori partiranno il 30 giugno


TORINO. Trenta giugno. E’ questa la data fissata tra la Juventus e l’Ati, il Consorzio composto da Impresa Rossi, Costruzione Girardi, Cons.Fer e Morganti, che si è aggiudicata l’appalto per 70 milioni di euro rispetto alla base d’asta inziale di 85, per l’inizio dei lavori di costruzione della nuova casa bianconera. Le quattro società avranno così meno di due anni di tempo per realizzare lo stadio che, nell’intento dei dirigenti juventini, diventerà la risposta italiana all’impiantistica inglese, spagnola e tedesca.
La consegna dei lavori è infatti prevista nel maggio 2011, ma lo stadio sarà aperto con una partita inaugurale da disputarsi a luglio. E poi diventerà la casa della Juventus a partire dalla stagione 2011-12.

...

IL NOME ALL’ASTA Si resta in attesa anche di sapere il nome dell’impianto: Sportfive, che si è aggiudicata i diritti spendendo 75 milioni, ha ridotto l’elenco delle candidate a 5*6 multinazionali italiane e straniere.
L’annuncio probabilmente in autunno.

www.tuttosport.com


First of all, let me warn you about the newspaper. Tuttosport is, maybe, even crappier than AS or Marca or any English Tabloid but, this time, they're referring to dates given in an official way by Juventus FC.

The real building phase will start on June 30th. The building site isn't empty now, as the firms are preparing the site. it's gonna be done by May 2011, first match the following July.

About the naming rights: it is "probable" that they'll be given after the call for tenders, this autumn.

like it, but l tought was bigger :dunno:

^^ I agree

I think that Juve deserves a bigger stadium

Their new stadium is twice their current average, it'll be more than comfortable until Italian football takes a major, major upturn.

I like the big pillars. A memory of the old stadium.
The stadium is really an improvement for the club and the neighbourhood.

I like the big pillars. A memory of the old stadium.
The stadium is really an improvement for the club and the neighbourhood.No doubt. I love it. And in 10 years we can expand to 55k. :cheers:

No doubt. I love it. And in 10 years we can expand to 55k. :cheers:

That would be good, but the problem is to expand it to that capacity they will need to demolish the roof, build another tier and then reinstall the roof again. It wont be that easy.

Juventus don't have a huge number of supporter at home, the Juventus "tifosi" are rather around Italy than in Turin.
So I think the capacity is enough for today and for tomorrow.

I agree, Juventus are a good team yet not that many supporters, 40.2k is enough for them :)

Mmhh..ten years ago we had an average of 48k-50k...the new stadium can be very attractive for supporters (the actual Olimpico is boring and Juventus is in a difficult moment of its glorious history), i think they'll need to expand the capacity in a few years.

Mmhh..ten years ago we had an average of 48k-50k...the new stadium can be very attractive for supporters (the actual Olimpico is boring and Juventus is in a difficult moment of its glorious history), i think they'll need to expand the capacity in a few years.

They will probably

seria espetacular buen estadio

JUNE 2009

http://www.juventus.com/site/eng/NEWS_photogallery.asp?album=images_gid_12

Wow, I would love to go to Turin, the view of the alps (Or whatever mountains are there) is awesome :D!!!!

Mmhh..ten years ago we had an average of 48k-50k...the new stadium can be very attractive for supporters (the actual Olimpico is boring and Juventus is in a difficult moment of its glorious history), i think they'll need to expand the capacity in a few years.The norm is that when you build a new stadium you can basically double the average you had. Juve had about 30k the last season at Delle Crap.

Yes, but the current average is around 22k, so 40-45k is a good capacity, and they are going to expand it up to 50k if necessary. Don't know exactly how they would manage to do it.
Anyway, I've read somewhere that if the booking will be succesfull, they can expand the capacity to 42k immediately, during the construction works (that means, before 2011) by changing the order of the seats, without extra costs. But, it is still too soon to make previsions or have more detailed informations about that, I guess

From wikipedia:

The poor visibility has led to extraordinarily low attendances. For example, in the Coppa Italia home match against Sampdoria in the 2001-2002 season, only 237 spectators showed up.

a) Was there any other reason for the low attendance that day?
b) Has anyone got any pictures from the stands looking at the pitch to prove just how bad the view was?
c) It doesn't look any worse than other stadiums with running tracks at first glance.

Thanks in advance. :smile:

From wikipedia:

The poor visibility has led to extraordinarily low attendances. For example, in the Coppa Italia home match against Sampdoria in the 2001-2002 season, only 237 spectators showed up.

a) Was there any other reason for the low attendance that day?
b) Has anyone got any pictures from the stands looking at the pitch to prove just how bad the view was?
c) It doesn't look any worse than other stadiums with running tracks at first glance.

Thanks in advance. :smile:

Low temperatures and a competition no-one seems too bothered about from what I've heard. That's no excuse though, most non-league sides would be ashamed of a gate like that.

The equivalent of Manchester United playing someone like West Ham in the FA Cup! That's a joke. I don't care how cold it is, clearly their supporters aren't very loyal! Old Trafford would be full - 76,000.

^^ oh dear

the copa italia is not like the FA cup, nor the coupe de france, DFP Pokal, copa del rey. There is no history behind it, it was restarted in the 1960s purely to provide a place for Italian teams in the cup-winners cup. It only became a showpiece one off final last season (07/08). It's an unloved competition that nobody really gets good crowds in. It seems the Italians just don't get domestic cup competitions.

On the delle apli, the fans turned up when it first opened, but when you can watch every Juventus game on telly for a reasonable (relatively speaking) price, rather than a souless cold bowl on the edge of town, it's clear why crowds are low and why something needed to be done. TV comes first in Italy unfortunately!

To put this in perspective:

For example, Swindon Town (league 1 - english tier 3) travelled to newly-promoted Aldershot Town (league 2 - ET 4) on a Tuesday night for the 1st round southern half of the Johnstone's paint trophy (a competition restricted to the worse teams in the football league). The AWAY support that night was 385! (overall attendance 1814).

No matter how pointless the competition, IMHO there is something wrong with Italian fans if they suddenly lose love and passion for their team because its a bit cold and the stadium is in the middle of nowhere and rubbish.

To put this in perspective:

For example, Swindon Town (league 1 - english tier 3) travelled to newly-promoted Aldershot Town (league 2 - ET 4) on a Tuesday night for the 1st round southern half of the Johnstone's paint trophy (a competition restricted to the worse teams in the football league). The AWAY support that night was 385! (overall attendance 1814).

No matter how pointless the competition, IMHO there is something wrong with Italian fans if they suddenly lose love and passion for their team because its a bit cold and the stadium is in the middle of nowhere and rubbish.

oh dear

You can't compare one bad crowd in a meaningless competition where the game was live on telly.

To an bad crowd, in a lower league competition (which a lot of fans do take seriously), not live on telly between two clubs within a decent proximity of each other.

You seem to have seen the points about it being cold etc and used that as the basis of your argument without being intelligent enough to see that was only a part of the point. We don't have the football on television freedom that they have, so we can't compare our situation to their's.

Arsenal once got a crowd of 4,554 (our lowest ever) for a re arranged league match during the 1960s. It wasn't our normal gate, the reason was because Liverpool were playing in the cup winners cup final that night live on telly! Telly plays a massive part in crowds...

I take your points, I'm just finding it hard to understand why a club of Juventus' size doesn't have more than 237 fans who go to EVERY game (regardless of whether it's on TV or it's cold etc.)

Yes, but the current average is around 22kThat's because they play in a 25k stadium where atleast 3k seats have obstructed views. You can put Man United in a 30k stadium and they won't average 70k any more. Shouldn't be too difficult to understand.

From wikipedia:

The poor visibility has led to extraordinarily low attendances. For example, in the Coppa Italia home match against Sampdoria in the 2001-2002 season, only 237 spectators showed up.

a) Was there any other reason for the low attendance that day?
b) Has anyone got any pictures from the stands looking at the pitch to prove just how bad the view was?
c) It doesn't look any worse than other stadiums with running tracks at first glance.

Thanks in advance. :smile:Coppa Italia means less then shit. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who care about it. The view was good in the upper tiers at Delle Alpi. It's just that you're sitting 100 meters from the pitch. Weather is irrelevant. It's warmer today then it was 15 years ago when Juve averaged 50k.

The comparison to ManU is kind of stupid. 60% of the Old Trafford fans are tourists. They come from Asia and don't care if it's Chelsea or Luton Town on gameday.


Btw, is the new Juve Stadium on the same place as delle alpi? How will they cope with the fistance from the town center?

The comparison to ManU is kind of stupid. 60% of the Old Trafford fans are tourists. They come from Asia and don't care if it's Chelsea or Luton Town on gameday.


Btw, is the new Juve Stadium on the same place as delle alpi? How will they cope with the fistance from the town center?

Firstly United have around 55,000 season ticket holders so 60% are not 'tourists'.

I believe the build is on the same site because the whole point is to move the stands closer to the pitch.

come on guys
not again
its just about the stadium

Firstly United have around 55,000 season ticket holders so 60% are not 'tourists'.Only about 10k of them are from central Manchester.

Btw, is the new Juve Stadium on the same place as delle alpi? How will they cope with the fistance from the town center?Delle Alpi has been demolished. The new stadium will be built basically around the old pitch.

Delle Alpi has been demolished. The new stadium will be built basically around the old pitch.

Is there another stadium in Turin that Juventus can play on while this stadium is being constructed??

Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadio_Olimpico_di_Torino

Hmmm, its not a bad stadium, its just its quite small, 27,500.

Only about 10k of them are from central Manchester.

And that makes them tourists?

mama mia where are thos pics of constrution :cheers::cheers:im drun-----k:cheers:

the copa italia is not like the FA cup, nor the coupe de france, DFP Pokal, copa del rey. There is no history behind it, it was restarted in the 1960s purely to provide a place for Italian teams in the cup-winners cup. It only became a showpiece one off final last season (07/08). It's an unloved competition that nobody really gets good crowds in. It seems the Italians just don't get domestic cup competitions.
The 2 leg format rather suggest that Italian can't get enough of domestic cup football. If there were really so little interest in the competition it could be reduced to a one off game in each round.

The 2 leg format rather suggest that Italian can't get enough of domestic cup football. If there were really so little interest in the competition it could be reduced to a one off game in each round.

Erm not at all, the two leg format suggests that Italians don't like the unpredictability of one off ties...

It's strange that no other clubs seem to have posted an attendance that low for the Coppa Italia though, despite Juventus supposedly being the biggest club in the country.

What makes it worse is that Juventus were the best team in Italy. It was in 2001-2002. Juve won Serie A, the Italian Super Cup and were runners up in the coppa Italia losing to Parma on away goals!

^^ luke you just don't understand, i don't know what you are trying to achieve but if you knew what you were talking about this wouldn't be an issue in the first place...

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Personally I think a crowd of 300 odd for a Serie A team is poor even for say a reserve game. That's my opinion. I merely asked whether the wikipedia article was correct in saying this was mainly because of the poor views offered from the stadium. I have since been responding to answers from various people that the attendance wasn't that bad.

Perhaps we should leave it at that.

^^ luke you just don't understand, i don't know what you are trying to achieve but if you knew what you were talking about this wouldn't be an issue in the first place...Couldn't have said it better myself. I think this ends this futile discussion.

capacity 41,000 ? http://www.juventus.com/site/ita/JPL_newstadium.asp

^^ Looks like it, as it says in Italian which i can't understand, but at least they wrote the capacity in numbers :lol:

capacity 41,000 ? http://www.juventus.com/site/ita/JPL_newstadium.asp

Yup ;)

Just went through the pictures and watched the video and apart from the hospitality areas and it reminded me just how bad this stadium looks, I hope I am wrong and it ends up being very high quality. The main thing that horrifies me is that they have bucket seats, I mean come on that is the ultimate sign of cheapness I can except them in eastern european 15,000 stadiums but for one of the richest clubs in the world you have to be kidding me. The surrounding area looks decent to be fair and the exterior is ok not my taste but I can see the merit to it. The main stand with suites is quite possibly the most horrifying piece of architecture for a stadium in a major project like this that I have seen.

In the new tivoli they have bucket seats and they don't look too bad, but I agree for a club of Juventus' size they could look cheap. The suites sticking out look absolutely horrendous. It's a shame because the rest of the design is quite tastefully done.

I think that bucket seats are only a "mistake" in the rendering. It makes no sense to use bucket seats in 2009.
anyway, construction really started
http://www.tuttosport.com/foto/Calcio/Serie%20A/Juventus/2009/08/12-6581_0/Blanc+visita+il+cantiere+del+nuovo+stadio

WORK IN PROGRESS VIDEO UNTIL OCTOBER 2009

b1JE9zlV-jg

Nice video!!! :D

The demolition is not completed yet? I don't understand why it takes so long to knock down the old stadium. Why don't they use explosives to destroy it? That would be more cost-saving, IMO.

The demolition is not completed yet? I don't understand why it takes so long to knock down the old stadium. Why don't they use explosives to destroy it? That would be more cost-saving, IMO.

IT IS completed!!!! Demolition was completed in july...The structure that you see in the video won't be demolished, but integrated in the new stadium. A total demolition would have costed much more. And they are recycling some materials from the old stadium in order to keep costs down and the reduce the environmental impact.
They're working very fast, if you consider that not more than 10 months ago the whole stadium was still there...
This pic was taken in January...
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9812/dellealpi.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/dellealpi.jpg/)

in all honesty i cannot believe that they needed to tear down the old stadium because IMO it was one of the most beautiful stadiums i have seen and as for the new stadium, apart for the fact that there is no athletics track and the 2 large triangle will be rebuilt the design is really not special at all and a big big waste of money

Domino!!! :banana: