a big big waste of money

Waste of money is playing in a stadium like the old Delle Alpi, uncomfortable and shared with Torino.

i am intresting in building site information board
u know things like when will be finished who is building....
if anyone have a picture

how can you say that a delle alpi was even that old and sharing stadiums are very common and accepted

how can you say that a delle alpi was even that old and sharing stadiums are very common and accepted

The fact is that the choice to build a new stadium was due to economic attractiveness...owning a new soccer-oriented stadium (no athletic track) is very convenient. Construction costs are supported by things like sponsorisations and selling the big shopping area to Conad, selling sky boxes and so on...
and the fact that they did not completely demolish the Delle Alpi helped to keep demolishion costs significantly down, 50% saving i guess...

What a shame, is really sad see the Delle Alpi going down.
It was a beautiful stadium.

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:dance:

We're gonna rise, rise, rise
Keep on rising :dance:

:lol:

there is no more pictures? let 's do some fresher image. I want to see how construction goes .. please:)

I hope they keep the name Delle Alpi.

I hope they keep the name Delle Alpi.

No. sorry about that..
Juventus signed a partnership, about naming right, with Sportfive Italia to search for a company..

i thought it would be more roomy!

I like the name "Delle Alpi", I hope the name remains

^^It won't....In Torino..
But it will.....in Grenoble "Stade des Alpes" :) !!

This thread has been dying on its feet for too long, i think. Anyway, a handful of updates for you to enjoy.

Works are going on, but with a few recognisable effects. Marketing, instead, is steaming on fastly. Juvenuts FC has opened a ticket office in downtown Turin, Galleria San Federico, which hosts a beautiful, huge model of the stadium.

Moreover, the society has launched "Juventus Premium Club" (here (http://www.juventus.com/site/ita/Juventus_Premium_Club.asp)'s the link to the italian version, I think in English and Chinese will be pretty much the same), basically you can book one of the skyboxes for your personal purposes.
Mind you, they got quite a pricetag: from 50 to 130k € per year. And, according to papers from this november, 39 (on 62) have already been sold.
Moreover, on the right hand corner there's a video update about the works. I've been writing an e-mail asking Juventus to put a bloody webcam, but I got no replies so far. Too busy loosing 4-1 with the Bavarians, I suspect.

^^ the more I here about this, the more italian fans will be worried. Seria A is trying to clone the premier league model first the break away league and now the stadiums with ridiculous pricing that are too* small.

* I know I know Juventus never fill their stadium, but nor did Bayern until they moved!

It is a good idea to make the stadium smaller. It is the old supply and demand economics. You make the commodity scarce and it's value goes up.

On another point as an outside observer of Italian calcio, interesting to see Juve losing matches now to teams they never would lose to before the big bust. The question begs now, how many of Juventus' championships were 'stolen'?

^^ the more I here about this, the more italian fans will be worried. Seria A is trying to clone the premier league model first the break away league and now the stadiums with ridiculous pricing that are too* small.

* I know I know Juventus never fill their stadium, but nor did Bayern until they moved!

I am not a football fan, I mean I don't follow any particular team but I love to go seeing a match once in a while. The new Juventus stadium has a good point, which is making a stadium a place where to go with your children without worries, but I'm afraid you're right. Prices won't be "popular" at all, working class won't afford it and we'll find a stadium full of BMW owners or, worse, empty.

It is a good idea to make the stadium smaller. It is the old supply and demand economics. You make the commodity scarce and it's value goes up.

On another point as an outside observer of Italian calcio, interesting to see Juve losing matches now to teams they never would lose to before the big bust. The question begs now, how many of Juventus' championships were 'stolen'?

I think 2 or 3 of the last titles were partially - if not totally - unfair. But football ain't fair at all, as we've seen on the new bribes scandal in Germany and Austria. And UEFA is rotten as well, I think: just look at France vs. Ireland!

By the way, Juventus is struggling these days because its leaders, as a society, were wiped out after the scandal. And I mean everyone, including those proved innocent, as Bettega - who's coming back anyway. Moggi and Giraudo are guilty, that's obvious, but at least they knew how to manage, keep profitable and winning a society with half the cash of Inter or Real or the Brits, to say a few names. Nowadays staff might be good in business, Jean Claude Blanc has been doing a fabolous job in fund-raising, but know nothing about football. Spending 50 millions on two midfielders you can't use is pure nonsense, just to make an example. Or Thiago, Mellberg, Poulsen, Cannavaro. Alessio Secco just lacks any experience.

The whole system is new, and then subject to mistakes: I've been told their new training grounds at Vinovo are too hard for football players, they used to train horses there indeed, and medical staff hasn't the same experience of those at MilanLab and the outcome is that players get hurt too often,

This thread has been dying on its feet for too long, i think. Anyway, a handful of updates for you to enjoy.

Works are going on, but with a few recognisable effects. Marketing, instead, is steaming on fastly. Juvenuts FC has opened a ticket office in downtown Turin, Galleria San Federico, which hosts a beautiful, huge model of the stadium.

Moreover, the society has launched "Juventus Premium Club" (here (http://www.juventus.com/site/ita/Juventus_Premium_Club.asp)'s the link to the italian version, I think in English and Chinese will be pretty much the same), basically you can book one of the skyboxes for your personal purposes.
Mind you, they got quite a pricetag: from 50 to 130k € per year. And, according to papers from this november, 39 (on 62) have already been sold.
Moreover, on the right hand corner there's a video update about the works. I've been writing an e-mail asking Juventus to put a bloody webcam, but I got no replies so far. Too busy loosing 4-1 with the Bavarians, I suspect.
So the suites just cost 50k-130k / year?

So the suites just cost 50k-130k / year?

Yes, at least according to what I've read on the newspapers. here's a link: http://rassegnastampa.comune.torino.it/PDF/2009/2009-11-20/2009112014264136.pdf

there's also a small scheme of the VIP stands:

Club Giovanni Agnelli (250 seats) - 10k/year
Club 100 (500 seats) - 6.5k/year
Tribuna Boniperti (650 seats) - 4k/year
Tribuna Sivori (1000 seats) - 2.5k/year.

Mind you this particular paper is an outstanding piece of rubbish in the already not-so-good panorama of Italian press.

I've found some crappy photos shot sometimes in December from this (http://j1897network.com/blog/nuovostadiodellajuventus/) blog which cites juventus.com website. They are witnessing some parts of the works currently underway, but I think they should have done it better, e.g. climbing up the cranes.

Anyway, here you are, courtesy Juventus FC (as it seems).

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a decent pano

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How cold is it in winter in Italy on average? And highest and lowest temperature?

How cold is it in winter in Italy on average? And highest and lowest temperature?

Torino is one of the coldest big towns in Italy, averages in winter are -2 the low and 5 the high, as far as I know, and it can be pretty snowy/rainy. This December has been colder than usual though, we've reached about -14 (and in some other places on flatlands -16/-17) which, for Italy, is quite an achievement.

It's much much colder than I thought. Almost as cold as here in South Korea. I remember the days when I watched some football games under zero degree. I was frozen to death. I watched games but actually anything didn't come to my eyes. All I thought during game was that I want to go home and take warm shower and sleep. But the cup noodles I ate in half time were the most delicious ones in my life. They were even more delicious than the ones I ate in outdoor trainings in winter during my military duty LOL

If Turin can stage the Winter Olympics (2006) then it must get pretty cold.

If I remember correctly, Turin was mostly a rainy city with temperatures just above freezing during the Olympics. This was not a problem since all the events that needed snow were held some 50 km away and higher up in the Alps and all the events in the city were held indoors. Still, it didn't really gave me that winter olympic feeling that I associate the Winter Olympics with. I fear that Vancouver and Sochi might have the same 'problem'.

well, during the Olympics we got snow on two days, even here on flatlands..

construction area
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from the blog:
http://j1897network.com/blog/nuovostadiodellajuventus/

Torino is one of the coldest big towns in Italy,

Turin is THE coldest big town in italy ;)

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What was the capacity of the old stadium (Delle Alpi) ???

69,041 fans; however, due to FIFA rules regarding the segregation of home and away supporters, the final capacity was reduced to 67,229.

Hmm, demoltion takes much longer than I expected... I feel like it has been taking more than 6 months, am I right? Why didn't they use explosives to tear down the stadium in a second? Does it take too much cost? But this machine-using method costs more money, because time is money! Anyway from opportunity costy point of view, this is very inefficient. They need to get the new stadia built as soon as possible and begin to yield profit from it.

No, you're not. Demolition is completed, and the construction is on time. The strcutrures you see will be incorporated into the new stadium. The stadium is already U/C, haven't you seen the pictures in the last pages?
Btw, they did not use explosives because it would have been more expensive

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construction february 2010

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^^ excellent!

What is and what will be
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..new about the stadium's sponsor??

update:

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=52059111&postcount=416

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really excited about this new ground - whats the new capacity at 40.200? surely if need an extension couuld be added a few years down the line

No, the capacity is 41, 254 ;)

Tribuna est

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Vista sul "campo"

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Il tunnel d'entrata nel campo

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The distance between the field and the first row is confirmed to be around 7.5m.
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=961154

They're going fast!

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According to the above website, the commerical space will generate €150 million a year. Do Juventus receive a % of the revenue generated here? If it were as small as 5 %, that still represents an extra €7.5 million a year for Juventus.

If not, y did they sell the commercial space to Nordiconad for only €20 million? I realize Nordiconad have the expertise and experience, and that it would cost Juventus further money to develop this area, but it is nothing €150 million a year cannot cover.

great news
purtroppo solo una ma bellissima :banana:




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i miss delle alpi already!

^^ Me too !

That doesn't make any sense! Juventus needs a stadium designed for soccer, comfortable and modern. I think that once finished this new stadium will look quite interesting too! Delle Alpi was just a big and empty arena, from the first tiers you couldn't even see the game. I think its design was a quite unique one (and as a supporter of Juventus i obviously have happy memories related to that stadium) but it wasn't the proper stadium for juventus. I think it looked better than other big italian stadiums like Olimpico or San Paolo, but that's not the point.

That doesn't make any sense! Juventus needs a stadium designed for soccer, comfortable and modern. I think that once finished this new stadium will look quite interesting too! Delle Alpi was just a big and empty arena, from the first tiers you couldn't even see the game. I think its design was a quite unique one (and as a supporter of Juventus i obviously have happy memories related to that stadium) but it wasn't the proper stadium for juventus. I think it looked better than other big italian stadiums like Olimpico or San Paolo, but that's not the point.

totally agree with you, plus juventus didnt own the delle alpi until 2003 so they didnt recieve all of the imcome from the stadium, but they own the new stadium so they will recieve all of the income from ticket sales, museum tours etc. its a smart move from juventus to build a new stadium and other serie a teams must do the same

I wish Juve all the best with this stadium.

But first; win the Europa League!!!

If Juve keeps on playing this bad, they might as well drop this stadium.

Up the mighty Fulham!

salve.
parlando da Juventino: non credo proprio che io pagherei per andare a vedere una squadra penosa come quella di ieri sera o di questio campionato in genere; non son nuovo a veri e proprio viaggi per venire da Roma a Torino, ma vedere spettacoli penosi come quest'anno mi stanno facendo domandare se davvero abbia senso farsi sti viaggi e soprattutto se abbia senso le costruzione di uno stadio per una squadra che non riesce nemmeno a riempire meno di 30.000 posti del Comunale!

What happened to Del Alpi? And Torino will play in Olympic stadium?

Lo stadio Delle Alpi era probabilmente il più brutto e grigio stadio d'Italia, e proprio perchè i tifosi Juventini in cassa non sono mai stati una folla enorme, dava una sensazione ancora più di vuoto, uno stadio più piccolo e con tutti i comfort è veramente l'ideale per una squadra come la Juve che solo per dare il nome allo stadio si beccherà 75 milioni di euro dallo sponsor.

Per quanto riguarda i risultati, voi tifosi Juve siete forse i peggiori nel reagire quando le cose vanno male, lo sport è questo, ci sono le stagioni no e le stagioni si, considera che io tifo Bologna (e anche se non sembra è una squadra che ha conosciuto periodi di grande gloria, non è che il pubblico bolognese sia poi così "contadino") cosa dovrei dire io che ci sono voluti 12 anni dal bologna targato Mazzone che perse la semifinale di coppa Uefa, per vedere finalmente un pò di bel gioco? Non si può sempre vincere, non importa minacciare giocatori, dare a fuoco sedili allo stadio e cose così.... questa è una mia considerazione, per quanto riguarda la squadra pur essendo tifoso del Bologna (e io credo che il Bologna sia stata la squadra più bersagliata dalla triade moggiana, credimi, voi lo rimpiangete, ma sbagliate alla grande) la Juve la vedo come la signora d'Italia e signora d'Italia tornerà presto.

Sorry for the OT

Lo stadio Delle Alpi era probabilmente il più brutto e grigio stadio d'Italia, e proprio perchè i tifosi Juventini in cassa non sono mai stati una folla enorme, dava una sensazione ancora più di vuoto, uno stadio più piccolo e con tutti i comfort è veramente l'ideale per una squadra come la Juve che solo per dare il nome allo stadio si beccherà 75 milioni di euro dallo sponsor.

Per quanto riguarda i risultati, voi tifosi Juve siete forse i peggiori nel reagire quando le cose vanno male, lo sport è questo, ci sono le stagioni no e le stagioni si, considera che io tifo Bologna (e anche se non sembra è una squadra che ha conosciuto periodi di grande gloria, non è che il pubblico bolognese sia poi così "contadino") cosa dovrei dire io che ci sono voluti 12 anni dal bologna targato Mazzone che perse la semifinale di coppa Uefa, per vedere finalmente un pò di bel gioco? Non si può sempre vincere, non importa minacciare giocatori, dare a fuoco sedili allo stadio e cose così.... questa è una mia considerazione, per quanto riguarda la squadra pur essendo tifoso del Bologna (e io credo che il Bologna sia stata la squadra più bersagliata dalla triade moggiana, credimi, voi lo rimpiangete, ma sbagliate alla grande) la Juve la vedo come la signora d'Italia e signora d'Italia tornerà presto.

Sorry for the OT

hai ragione, è sbagliato il vandalismo, ma capisci pure me che da roma mi faccio spesso 6 ore di macchina per andare a torino e spesso tornare a casa con un rodimento di sedere che non puoi capire.
lo spero

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What happened to Del Alpi?

Look at the pictures.

And Torino will play in Olympic stadium?

They already did.

to small for a big team, I dont like

to small for a big team, I dont like
And again, please have the right context. For all Juve's "bigness" here are their average attendances the past few seasons, beginning with their current avg per game in '09-'10:

22,964
21,329
22,059
21,953 (Serie B)
30,836
26,429

While the big teams can draw big crowds for games against other big clubs, the overall attendance averages are comparably low for Italian clubs and Juve is no exception. Even Inter and Milan will avg in the 50's or 40's despite have room for 80k+. The market simply isn't there to demand larger stadiums.

Conversely, this size venue will help maximize the value of Juve's tickets by ensuring more sell-outs and better atmosphere, meaning they'll get a higher return on each ticket sold. A smart move for any business.

^^can't wait to see Bianconeri play in new stadium with full capacity of Juventini crowd :cheers:

Fulham is technically a BIGGER club. They proved it last week too! :applause:

And again, please have the right context. For all Juve's "bigness" here are their average attendances the past few seasons, beginning with their current avg per game in '09-'10:

22,964
21,329
22,059
21,953 (Serie B)
30,836
26,429

While the big teams can draw big crowds for games against other big clubs, the overall attendance averages are comparably low for Italian clubs and Juve is no exception. Even Inter and Milan will avg in the 50's or 40's despite have room for 80k+. The market simply isn't there to demand larger stadiums.

Conversely, this size venue will help maximize the value of Juve's tickets by ensuring more sell-outs and better atmosphere, meaning they'll get a higher return on each ticket sold. A smart move for any business.

Impressive, I expected more from the average attendance of juve, to my team (Grêmio-BRA) has a better average over the last 5 years in the Brazilian championship!

After spending some time in Italy and enquiring why this supposedly big club only gets small attendances. The reason given was, people all over Italy are asked who they follow and even the people who really are not that interested just pick the most successfull team. It's that whole because they are 'winners' complex the Italians seem to have. Like why they respect Berlusconi.

The biggest teams in Italy are the two Milanese and Roman sides. Juventus is mid tier at best.

Fulham is technically a BIGGER club. They proved it last week too! :applause:

r u stupid? juve is a way bigger club than fulham, in fact juve is a bigger club than all english clubs apart from liverpool and man utd. juve is on the same level as liverpool, man utd and any other club in the world.
what has fulham ever won? NOTHING

Impressive, I expected more from the average attendance of juve, to my team (Grêmio-BRA) has a better average over the last 5 years in the Brazilian championship!Ticket prices and access to TV play a part, and Italy is still reeling from a down period with regards to the culture of their ultras. If South American clubs charged European ticket prices their attendances would also struggle.

r u stupid? juve is a way bigger club than fulham, in fact juve is a bigger club than all english clubs apart from liverpool and man utd. juve is on the same level as liverpool, man utd and any other club in the world.
what has fulham ever won? NOTHING Bob's kind of post was trolling. Don't feed it, please.


Re: the "big club" debate: True, Juve and the Milanese pairing are among a small caste of traditionally biggest clubs including Madrid, Barca, ManU, Liverpool and Bayern Munchen, with a fringe level of about 12 others just outside (Celtic, Ajax...). But do recall that Arsenal and Chelsea are currently financially larger than Juve, even if they don't have as much European silverware.

Had Juve not gone through with this investment there is a chance Tottenham, Shalke or Lyon might have caught up to them in revenue, as well.

Juventus 'won' titles in suspicious circumstances for years. Can you take what they won all that seriously? It was all proven in the Calciopolli scandal. Since the exposure what have they won? The 2nd division title.

Fulham has a more loyal supporter base. They turn up and pay money, unlike the Juve fans who hardly show and their Ultra's are paid to attend.

A lot of people say they are Juve fans just to say they follow someone. They do not go to games and only watch the big games on the tele.

There is actually more Juve fans in the south of Italy or in Milan. If they wanted larger attendances they probably should relocate to Naples or San Siro.

If Fiat ever went down the gurgler, Juventus would become a footnote of history. Like Notts County.

juventus is most bigger that fullham, are you stupid, juventus won champios league fulham nothing

juventus is most bigger that fullham, are you stupid, juventus won champios league fulham nothing

Don't rise to the bait, fella. He's just trying to wind up Juve fans.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, there is no bait at all. Just stating a fact. How can you say Juventus is bigger when Fulham's attendances are bigger?

So Juventus supporters are all invisible?

Juventus won the UCL years ago. Whoopee do. That's ancient history now. The last thing they won was a 2nd division title a few years back.

...Bob please say to the other users that you are just joking...it is just that some people who haven't lived in the UK, don't fully understand British sense of humour.

Dark Days for a Proud Club

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/mariana-rudan/blog/981397/Dark-days-for-a-proud-club

Once upon a time they were the team that everybody loved to hate, now we just feel sorry for them.”

This is how a colleague of mine recently described Italy’s most successful club, Juventus.

I couldn’t help but agree with him.

After watching Juve throw away a 3-0 lead to the then-bottom club Siena in Serie A, before being humiliated by Fulham a few days later in the Europa League, it was painfully clear that the once-mighty club is in a desperate state of decline.

So where did it all go wrong?

After spending squillions in the pre-season transfer market on Brazilian stars Felipe Melo and Diego, Juventus was tipped as the team most likely to trump Inter for the Scudetto. Back then, optimism engulfed the proud club and its revamped roster.

Now the outlook is bleak, as minnows like Siena and Livorno place bets in the dressing room to see who can score against Juve first.

The rot can be traced back to the infamous Calciopoli scandal of 2006, which sent the club to Serie B for the first time in its long history. An embarrassing period for everyone associated with the club, from which it is yet recover.

This season has brutally exposed what has long been considered the root of the problem: bad management, as summed up poetically by the popular Italian expression “Il Pesce Puzza dalla Testa” - the fish stinks from the head down.

If it wasn’t obvious in the turbulent 12 months surrounding Calciopoli, it certainly was in the board’s handling of Claudio Ranieri last season.

Ranieri, who is now orchestrating AS Roma’s stunning revival this season, was rumoured to have lost the confidence of the dressing room, namely David Trezeguet.

The board, under mounting pressure, sided with a petulant player well-past his best and showed the door to the man it had chosen to lead the club back to its glory days.

An early UEFA Champion’s League exit at the hands of Chelsea and a premature departure from the Coppa Italia were the board’s justification for what was a fait accompli.

In came Ciro Ferrara this season, the less experienced mentor, but one of the game’s nice guys.

But like Ranieri before him, Ferarra fell foul of a playing group that knows it can influence the club’s board. In this instance it was over-priced flop Diego who played a key role in sealing the coach’s fate.

A coach cannot be expected to achieve anything with players who know they can influence a board, which has proven itself weak in the face of internal crises.

Given the money that same board forked out in the pre-season, surely the blame must rest squarely on the shoulders of the men on the pitch.

“Juventus: Desperately Seeking Quality” was the title of an article in a leading Italian Sports newspaper this week, following the Round 29 loss to Sampdoria.

Forgetting for a moment the wads of cash forked out for a clutch of high-priced foreigners, this is a team that also contains seven members of the Italy national side.

Not surprisingly, two months out from a World Cup, the fans are worried.

As fragile as a little old lady – a fitting nickname given the circumstances – Juventus, by its own lofty standards, languishes in sixth spot, a whopping 18 points behind Inter Milan and struggling to stay in the reckoning for Europe.

A telling point in the second leg of the 5-4 aggregate UEL loss to Fulham demonstrated how tragic the situation has become and highlighted the disconnect between the pampered players and the fans they represent.

During the match, Johnathan Zebina gave the one finger salute to his own fans in a disgraceful act, despite his insistance that it was a response to racist provocation.

Whether Zebina's accusation is true or not, tension is running high at the troubled Old Lady and those same fans will demonstrate just how fed up they are with a rally at the home match against Atalanta this weekend: a match that the Juve of old would have romped home in, but in the current climate, has every chance of losing.

...Bob please say to the other users that you are just joking...it is just that some people who haven't lived in the UK, don't fully understand British sense of humour.

Italians love the banter too! At present Juventus supporters won't be seeing anything funny because they are so used to having it all their own way.

It is a bitter harvest in Turin. How the mighty have fallen.

...Βob everybody understands what is the size of a club like Juventus, in contrast to a club like Fulham....and so do you, don't pretend that you don't.
If you are refusing it now it is because of another reason, so stop.

And again, please have the right context. For all Juve's "bigness" here are their average attendances the past few seasons, beginning with their current avg per game in '09-'10:

22,964
21,329
22,059
21,953 (Serie B)
30,836
26,429

While the big teams can draw big crowds for games against other big clubs, the overall attendance averages are comparably low for Italian clubs and Juve is no exception. Even Inter and Milan will avg in the 50's or 40's despite have room for 80k+. The market simply isn't there to demand larger stadiums.

Conversely, this size venue will help maximize the value of Juve's tickets by ensuring more sell-outs and better atmosphere, meaning they'll get a higher return on each ticket sold. A smart move for any business.

Why do you try to ignore the fact that better stadium brings in more people? This is absolutely too small for Juventus. It's true. Don't forget the attendance data you cited are from the seasons when they played in a stadium with terrible sightlines :D

So, this 'huge' Juventus following will only go to matches with better 'sightlines'.

Well, the current stadium is pretty decent, modern and good sightlines and they cannot even fill that. It is close to the centre of Turin too, unlike the 'Stadium of the Alps'.

Very fussy these Juventus fans.

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Why do you try to ignore the fact that better stadium brings in more people? This is absolutely too small for Juventus. It's true. Don't forget the attendance data you cited are from the seasons when they played in a stadium with terrible sightlines :DThen I suggest you use your confidence to invest the millions necessary to add on to the design. In the meantime, I'll trust the club's investors to know exactly how much to build for right now. ;)

How many tiers on each stand?

^^ Nice stadium...

its a great stadium, perfect for juve.
i know people think its too small but im sure juve will expand it if they need 2

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very good!

Nice to see the stands taking shape!

23.04.2010
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Great stadium for great Juventus.:cheers:

Nice stadium. It is not too small, it is better to see full crowded 40.000 Juve Arena than half-empty 70k capacity Delle Alpi.

Very good. :)

Dove si trova questo stadio? Si trova forse sul posto dello stadio ''Delle Alpi''? (mi scusi se qualcuno a gia domandato questo)

Si, negli fondazioni dell vecchio "Delle Alpi".

It's gonna be built on old "Delle Alpi 2 foundations.

very nice :)

Any pics?

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Good progress

Thanks

I know they yused some parts of the old stadiom but I can`t figure out wich parts. Can someone please show me on and explane by using an picture of Delle Alpi?

I know they yused some parts of the old stadiom but I can`t figure out wich parts. Can someone please show me on and explane by using an picture of Delle Alpi?

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I hope that my awesome paint skills will help :)

Or from backside..

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OK, I know that, but I thot they used som parts of the old stands. THX

I totally understand that Turin is a conservative city and that Juventus knows they don't have the commited following a club like Dortmund has
( Put in a brand new tier in the Dortmund stadium and they will sell 120.000 seat in every game)

But Juventus is still one of the most supported team in Italy .

Why settle with 40.000 ?

Hardly an architectural masterpiece as well .

Don't know how Gianni Agnelli would have felt about that ...

40,000 is the perfect number. Juve are averaging something like 20,000 or so currently - hardly numbers that are deserved of a larger stadium. But of course they are able to draw 40k; they are able to draw more. As far as I see it, 40k creates the perfect balance between supply/demand. Hopefully this stadium will see Juve turning supporters back when they need a ticket - you may not agree but that is the philosophy every club is trying to create.

with a better stadium (w/o running track) there is better sight, better atmosphere, which will lure more people to come. look at all the other clubs who changed there playing grounds to pure football stadiums.

juve should have aimed for 50k.

with a better stadium (w/o running track) there is better sight, better atmosphere, which will lure more people to come. look at all the other clubs who changed there playing grounds to pure football stadiums.

juve should have aimed for 50k.

no 25 000 is perfect for this club

The supporters are not the problem, prices are the problem! Tickets in Turin are really really expensive. 10 years ago Juvenutus had an average of nearly 50k in the old Delle Alpi, when prices were lower!
This year is a complete disaster, that explains why the average is so low, and you also have to remember that "Olimpico" only has 30k seats

how much does it cost?

i don't live in turin and i don't know exactly all the prices (u should ask delsa), but for example the cheapest seat you can get for a match against a team that is fightin relegation like Chievo or Bologna can cost 30 euro...

Prices aren't problem... there's simply no enough people interested in Juventus in Torino and surrounding region.

Indeed. They don't even make the top ten attendances in Italy, even though they've got a large glory hunting population.

That's bullshit :) Juventus is by far the most popular team in Piedmont

I noticed that both in Italy and outside our borders all Juventus fans want a stadium better suited to the story of a great club, then subscribe to this small petition, which is not much but certainly raise a little voice is not wrong! Juve always force.

http://www.petizionionline.it/petizione/juventus-arena-chiediamo-uno-stadio-allaltezza-della-nostra-storia/1390

does anyone know if this stadium can be expanded in the future. i think that the initial capacity is fine, even for such a big club. as we know attendance in Italian football are not as high as they used to be and Italy should of won Euro 2016 so it could have improved it Stadiums.

they need to build there own stadiums, without running tracks and with good views and corporate facilities to get more fans to come and watch them. they will also be able to start competing financially with the English and Spanish clubs

I´ve been reading your comments and it seems to me that everbody lives in the state of denial. Has anyone heard of global financial crisis? Especially countries like Italy with negative GNP growth and already strained state finances. We already see in Spain so many of the developments have been put on hold. Juventus management made a right choice by going for a reasonably big stadium that they acctually can afford to complete and generate profit from it.

Why do people keep insisting Juve should have built a monstrous cavern when they're averaging less than what this new stadium would hold?!?!?! This info should be a sticky at the top of each page:

Attendance alone isn't the barometer of a huge club. Liverpool (44k), Chelsea (42k) and Tottenham (36k) are all big clubs even if they stay in their current venues. Conversely, larger crowds at places like Newcastle and Dortmund don't automatically = greatness.

Juve are wise to cap attendance to a figure that will ensure more sell outs, improve atmosphere and thus lead to higher returns on a per-ticket basis. They can always increase capacity at a future date, and until then they are ensuring their profitability as a business. Had they built 55k but failed to increase the number of sell-outs then they'd simply be stuck with a larger loan repayment with only marginal increases in revenues. After all, the extra seating we're talking about would likely be among the lowest priced seats available, meaning less profit per seat.

Especially given the economy and the pending UEFA mandate to see clubs operate within their means, Juve was VERY wise to begin with a modest venue that ensures the best environment. As the adage goes: Size isn't what important, it's what you do with it that counts!

Cheers

does anyone know if this stadium can be expanded in the future.Any venue can be expanded provided you have two things: Money and space. The design may invite higher costs for any expansion, but that's only to ensure they wanted to start with an A+ venue. Fortunately they have the space to accommodate a future expansion if needed/ desired.

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nice pic, there going quick now :applause:

news - videos - pics and much more about new juventus stadium on facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Juventus-Arena/127700200582798?ref=ts

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it looks like a simple construction if you compare with Galatasaray's new stadium .. ?

Not only that, but it looks like a stadium that could barely hold 20,000. Hopefully it has more presence when its finished

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nice pics, its looking good :applause:

^^ Nice progrees....

the stadium looks rather small. more like 30k than 40k.

the stadium looks rather small. more like 30k than 40k.
Well, it's going to be. Unless you're expecting them to suddenly notice the blueprints are in yards instead of metres, or something.

the stadium looks rather small. more like 30k than 40k.

Half of the first tier is not finnished yet, thats why.

Nice pictures and a very nice stadium.

Very nice progrees!!!
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pics

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and the last video project

video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AinMWyNAbE8&feature=player_embedded)

video 2 (http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=9156cf992ec22f95bba496a2fc44f1c8)

it's growing up

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how was the place when the ancient stadium was there?

The place is the same, there is no changing. They are working in the parking area and inside the stadium!

Before
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After
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grazie!
i prefer the new one than the old! too cold for me even if i don't care about juventus

Old one was one of my most fav stadiums.:ohno:

This new one is like a joke.

Somehow it is seen that it does not fill the plot like the old one does,(i do not mention the size)....

Old one was one of my most fav stadiums.:ohno:

This new one is like a joke.

Somehow it is seen that it does not fill the plot like the old one does,(i do not mention the size)....

the old was cold and always empty and gave a pathtic image of football indeed matches were bought by juventus . i hope for them this new one won't be a new home of cheaters

So they torn down old Delle Alpi and replacing it with the "new" in the mean time they use the Olympic stadium? When is the completion date anyway?

the stadium looks rather small. more like 30k than 40k.

The first rows are still missing. so its not complete yet

the old was cold and always empty and gave a pathtic image of football indeed matches were bought by juventus . i hope for them this new one won't be a new home of cheaters

you're an idiot

^^ and you've been living under a rock for the last 5 years.

Guys, I know you live abroad and so you don't know how things are. Juventus did what every italian FCs were doing, but Juve (with Milan and some other clubs) was the only club monitered. (...maybe cause Inter FC controls italian most important mobile phone society!!!???)
However it's OT...
I hope the Juventus stadium will be to european standard as modernity and comfort! :)

:cheers:

Well, Inter are the one who lost the most in those games so who could blame them?
It wouldn't be fair if they would have been treated eaquely as Milan and Juve

Well, Inter are the one who lost the most in those games so who could blame them?
It wouldn't be fair if they would have been treated eaquely as Milan and Juve

:lol::lol::lol::lol: poor inter

interesting variance during project execution. As you probably already know, stadium roof will be only kept up by the two 90 mt pennons. Now, seems that this is not a safe solution as the roof can fly away in case of blasts of wind coming from below. In order to avoid that, four additional tie rods connecting the four corners of the roof to the floor have to be added. This will for sure penalize the sight from some sectors of the stadium

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^^ Is there no way the tie rods could be attached externally in some form? It seems like such a shame to go to all the effort of coming up with such a slick looking design that offers great views all around and then having to obscure certain areas as an afterthought. I'm sure the affected areas wouldn't be hugely impacted given its probably a case of steel cable to hold it down but even so it's a bit disappointing. Could they not attach the ties to the rear of the stands instead?

you're an idiot

why do you insult me like this? :ohno:

Intolerance i says! No one can't deny facts!

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nice pics, its looking good

interesting variance during project execution. As you probably already know, stadium roof will be only kept up by the two 90 mt pennons. Now, seems that this is not a safe solution as the roof can fly away in case of blasts of wind coming from below. In order to avoid that, four additional tie rods connecting the four corners of the roof to the floor have to be added. This will for sure penalize the sight from some sectors of the stadium

Surely the secondary structure linking the trusses to the back of the stand will be enough?

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Very... unimpressive. It s more like a 20k :(

wait and see before any conclusions

Very... unimpressive. It s more like a 20k :(

The lower tier is only half built.... Wait a few months and comment....

Very... unimpressive. It s more like a 20k :(

I don't understand why you are acting like this..i mean, it's not your home stadium. ;)

why do you insult me like this? :ohno:

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Because you deserve it;)...

just like Juventus deserve to be blamed as cheaters;).

Finally Italy is getting a new, modern stadium.

Why so slooooooww ? :tongue3:

I don't understand why you are acting like this..i mean, it's not your home stadium. ;)

I don't understand your attitude :nono:

You know it's not an obligation to be a fan of a club and automatically a fan of the stadium! it's two different things and i think you don't make this distinction :lol:

If it's like you are the avocat of the stadium and the club!! :ohno:

it's not the matter of the thread! it is a question of taste concerning architecture and aesthetism!

I know juventus is your baby but this stadium is not a great stadium for the moment for me and i have the right to say it :)

let's the works finish...

Old one was one of my most fav stadiums.:ohno:

This new one is like a joke.

Somehow it is seen that it does not fill the plot like the old one does,(i do not mention the size)....

From an architectonical point of view, the Delle Alpi stadium was VERY nice, one of the most spectacular in Europe, I think. But inside it felt a little cold, because of the atlethic pist (pista d´atletica...I don´t know how you spell it in English LOL) that surrounded the pitch. If you sat behind the goals, you were like 60-70 meters away from the pitch!

The new stadium will be smaller, but more intimate and warmer. And since Juventus rarely have more than 40.000 spectators to the league matches, a 41.000 capacity stadium should be fine enough, at least for most of the games. Of course it could be a problem in matches against AC Milan, Inter, Real Madrid. But still it will be bigger than the actual stadium, the Olimpico di Torino that only holds 28.000 spectators (a nice, but very small stadium).

Because you deserve it;)...

just like Juventus deserve to be blamed as cheaters;).

I suppose you don´t read Italian. But I do (even that I am from Denmark). I have read a lot of information about Calciopoli and I KNOW that Juventus didn´t act worse than Milan and Inter. But Juventus had lost a lot of power with the death of the Agnelli Brothers Gianni and Umberto, and for this when the Calciopoli case escalated in Spring 2006 Juventus didn´t have anybody in the top of society to protect them against the alligations. But Milan had Berlusconi, the extremely powerful president of the Italian Republic to protect them, and Inter had the Cell Phone Company Telecom Italia Mobile to protect them (it was the concern that made the telephone surveillance during Calciopoli and since they were the sponsor of Inter they of course did ANYTHING to protect Inter, throwing away all suspicious material that involved Inter...!!!).

So I think you are saying this because you don´t really KNOW the truth. But soon or later the truth will be known even outside Italy - you just have to wait 1-2-3 years. The Calciopoli affair is not finished yet: the court of Napoli is still just in the middle of the investigation of the civil case. And I have the impression that in the End Inter will be just as guilty or even more than Juventus....because in the last Months a lot of new Telephone calls have been pubblished, that involved leaders of Inter and those pubblications have revealed that Inter did EXSACTELY the same things as Juventus, or even more....:)

That doesn´t mean that Moggi and Juventus were necessarely totally innocent. But it DOES mean that Moggi and Juventus just followed what was a sort of normal praxis in Italy. ALL the important clubs in Italy had telephone contacts with the leaders of the referees (disignatori degli arbitri) Bergamo and Pairetto, not just Juventus and Moggi, but ALSO Inter and Milan made pressure to get certain referees for their matches. But in the end only Juventus was relegated to the Serie B. Therefore a lot of Juventus-fans think that it is UNFAIR that Milan and Inter, who did the same as Moggi, weren´t relegated. And Milan was even allowed to play and WIN the following Champions League, where Juventus was disqualified. That was SO unfair and therefore most Juventus-fans are SO tired of reading ignorant stuff like what you just wrote here, because you only blame Juventus and apparently consider Inter and Milan as ANGELS. That´s not fair!!

The Truth is that Milan, Inter and Juve did the same things. So if Juventus was guilty, Inter and Milan also were guilty. But if you consider Inter and Milan innocent, then you shold also consider Juventus as innoncent. Considering Inter and Milan innocent but calling Juventus cheaters is extremely unfair. And even that I know this post is off topic, I HAVE to answer this way when I read about people still considering Juventus the EVIL of Italian football. The reality is much more complicated...;)

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Oh...now this is getting interesting :D

Red & Green ??? I hope those are stickers...

I don't think the red & green are stickers.
I can't find a reason why, but hopefully somebody knows more about it

Maybe that is the colour scheme of the Italian flag. :D

^^ And so ???
I mean, should every countries have to paint their stadiums (especially private ones) with national colors ?????

Please, tell me that this is just temporary..

Black and white would have been better :(

Finally Italy is getting a new, modern stadium.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first new stadium in Italy since Reggiana in the mid 90s. For any other west European country I'd consider that a disaster, but I'm kind of glad it is the case in Italy. I just love the ground sharing arrangements the big Italian cities have, and would never want to see two local rivals having each their own stadium as has been planned for ages now. Also, the tifo culture is quite unimaginable in luxurious Emirates/Turk Telekom type bowls no matter how much of an admiring I have for them anywhere else but in Italy.

It is red and green, just like they are using in their new uniforms this year. I think it's a bit of a PR thing. Juve was accused of sort of ruining Italian football with Calciopoli. Now they have come back by purchasing a lot of Italian youngsters, trying to form the backbone of the national team, and sort of claiming that Juve, and not Inter, truly are Italy's football representative. Make of that what you will, I am not saying it's right or wrong, but it seems to me like this is definitely the message they are trying to create for their fans.

The stadium lies near the airport and national laws require red and white painting on the top of any high pinnacle near airports. No black and white was possible, indeed. I don't like this solution so much, but it's not the case of playing the drama queen at the moment, let's wait for the final arrangement. :)

^^ i didn't know anything about that. what's the sense??

Red and white are easier to see. But black would indeed look better.

Is it possible the national team would play there home games at the new stadium and can that be a reason for the red and green stickers.
I think the national team has no official home ground, and like the said, it's the first new stadium in Italy after Reggianna in the mid 90's.

After a little reseach, I found out that the stadium of Modena is new or renovated (I don't know) in 2003 also the stadium of Messina, the stadium of Torino was renovated for the Olympics. And there is a little atletic stadium built in Firenze, but I don't know if they play any football over there.

Very... unimpressive. It s more like a 20k :(

The first "level", the one closest to the pitch, is still missing! Did you know it? Or maybe judging things without knowing much about them is your natural attitude, considering that Juventus for you is a "team of cheaters".

This is the best you can get in italy right now. Juventus is the only team who managed to build a new stadium, whereas other teams like Inter still prefer to share their home stadium with their rivals and don't understand that owning a stadium is necessary in the 21st century.

Is it possible the national team would play there home games at the new stadium and can that be a reason for the red and green stickers.



No it's not. The FIGC (italian football federation) thinks that the national team should play in every italian stadium, like a tour, and i personally think it's a good approach, i mean, you get the chance to watch the national team in your home town!

The red and green stickers were chosen for 2 reasons
1) As someone already said, italian laws require red and white stickers on the top of any high pinnacle close to an airport. These pinnacles are 90m high!

2)Juventus has always been the genuine italian team, the team with more supporters in every part of the country, the team who usually gives more players to the national team. It's a matter of marketing, if you want, but it's true.

I don´t like it. Such a big and horrible roof structure for a small stadium.

There´s no excuse to bad taste. It doesn´t matter if italian flag is green and red, it will not look good and will ruin the city´s natural landscape.

I don´t like it. Such a big and horrible roof structure for a small stadium.

There´s no excuse to bad taste. It doesn´t matter if italian flag is green and red, it will not look good and will ruin the city´s natural landscape.

Not really.. poles at the old Delle Alpi were one of the landmarks of Torino..
Main reason why they kept them on new stadium as well..

http://j1897.org/juventus/stadio/StadioDelleAlpi.jpg

No it's not. The FIGC (italian football federation) thinks that the national team should play in every italian stadium, like a tour, and i personally think it's a good approach, i mean, you get the chance to watch the national team in your home town!

The red and green stickers were chosen for 2 reasons
1) As someone already said, italian laws require red and white stickers on the top of any high pinnacle close to an airport. These pinnacles are 90m high!

2)Juventus has always been the genuine italian team, the team with more supporters in every part of the country, the team who usually gives more players to the national team. It's a matter of marketing, if you want, but it's true.

Okay! Thank's for the answer. But it's indeed better in a big country like Italy the national team makes a tour

at its beginning dell alpi was considered like a jewell in 1990! this is the lesson that architecture could pass time and years sometimes in a good way and sometimes in the bad way!

San siro is the example of future view of 90's has succeded! not dell alpi! i don't know why?

But it's a good idea to keep those pillars like a symbol

San siro is the example of future view of 90's has succeded! not dell alpi! i don't know why?

Athletic tracks.

Is it possible the national team would play there home games at the new stadium and can that be a reason for the red and green stickers.
I think the national team has no official home ground, and like the said, it's the first new stadium in Italy after Reggianna in the mid 90's.

After a little reseach, I found out that the stadium of Modena is new or renovated (I don't know) in 2003 also the stadium of Messina, the stadium of Torino was renovated for the Olympics. And there is a little atletic stadium built in Firenze, but I don't know if they play any football over there.


I think Modena's staium was built brand new. Also Messina's was definately brand new. Because the old one was very small for a 250k+ town. Besides, TRIESTINA built a new one and I think CESENA renovated.

Black and white would have been better :(

Its red because of a law that makes all objects from a some height to be painted in red and white(you can see it in the old Delle Alpi). The green its just a design by making it the flag of Italy

Not really.. poles at the old Delle Alpi were one of the landmarks of Torino..
Main reason why they kept them on new stadium as well..

http://j1897.org/juventus/stadio/StadioDelleAlpi.jpg

Form outside it looks much better than the new one.

With so many pillars it has balance and proportion.

I think Modena's staium was built brand new. Also Messina's was definately brand new. Because the old one was very small for a 250k+ town. Besides, TRIESTINA built a new one and I think CESENA renovated.

The stadium from Triestina was built in 1992 and from Cesena in 1957 (but I don't know it has been renovated or...)

Triestina's looks quite modern I have to say even though it is built in 92. So is Cesena's.

It all could have been different if the "right clubs" would participate in SerieA.
By that I mean clubs with modern looking stadiums or at least without running tracks and big gaps between stands and field. Then SerieA would have much of the same "English" atmosphere at games. Instead of Chievo, Catania, Udinese, Brescia, Cagliari, Lecce rather have SALERNITANA,MESSINA,REGGINA,PERUGGIA,FOGGIA,TRIESTINA,MODENA,VICENZA,TARANTO.

Triestina's looks quite modern

I agree, it did, but......... how many suites at the Nereo Rocco stadium (not to mention Business seats) ????? :|

And, what about the plexi./fences everywhere in the stadium (just like every single stadium in Italy still has :ohno:) ???

Triestina's looks quite modern I have to say even though it is built in 92. So is Cesena's.

It all could have been different if the "right clubs" would participate in SerieA.
By that I mean clubs with modern looking stadiums or at least without running tracks and big gaps between stands and field. Then SerieA would have much of the same "English" atmosphere at games. Instead of Chievo, Catania, Udinese, Brescia, Cagliari, Lecce rather have SALERNITANA,MESSINA,REGGINA,PERUGGIA,FOGGIA,TRIESTINA,MODENA,VICENZA,TARANTO.

Vicenza's stadium? LOL!!! Any clue? Reggina??? Not having a running track does not provide an English atmosphere itself! You're talking about horrible structures. In these cases the only solution is dynamite...

Juve has great club leadership (except the corruption a few years ago :D), and financial strategy. This stadium is just the continuation of that. It will be great. People are always against new things and change - for better of worse, but don t worry, it will grow on you :)

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^^ Red and green would have been better for these roof structures !
:jk:

any new pics?

:)
Infornata di foto di stamattina da sud ovest a nord est circa

ero di fretta, quindi alcune foto non sono venute benissimo - chiedo venia :)


buona visione :cheers:



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will juve play next season in this stadium ?

will juve play next season in this stadium ?

Yes, so they foresee, if nothing goes wrong.

any progress?

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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Juventus-Arena/127700200582798

The first impression that I get of that "cladding" is...looks poor.

Looking forward to see the roof :)

it was the goal: to have a cheaper place to play matches

it was the goal: to have a cheaper place to play matches

No. The goal is to have the first italian stadium owned by a private football club. This fact put juventus closer to the european top clubs.

The majority of italian stadiums is old, ugly, dangerous, uncomfortable, and run-down cause its maintencance is up to the public administration and not to user teams.

Juventus made a step forward than other italian clubs. Now they are like an english or german club and, by the money gained with a 7 days a week living stadium, juve can buy new great players as other top european clubs do.

This is the truth.

Axelferis, you're just envious. I bet you're an inter supporter.

The first impression that I get of that "cladding" is...looks poor.

Looking forward to see the roof :)
Work is not finished yet. In the next few days the roof will be lifted up. Then the stadium will be covered by metal sheets and it will look great. :)

Axelferis, you're just envious. I bet you're an inter supporter.

:nono:

i don't care about italians clubs. Calcio all stories of cheating made me throw away :nuts:

I'm a fan of liverpool FC

Axelferis, you're just envious. I bet you're an inter supporter.

Nah.. he hates everyone equally.. very frustrated individual it seems.. look at some of his posts.. everything apart from his team's stadium sucks :)

you lie! Several projects have my approval :lol:

:)
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bellissimooo:cheers::cheers::cheers::banana:

The first impression that I get of that "cladding" is...looks poor.

Looking forward to see the roof :)

that's shopping center cladding

The roof it´s only supported by the cables? Nice :D I thought they were putting some extra support, at least in these first weeks, like we see in several other stadiums...so I´m impressed.

wind isn't important in this region i hope or was it for economic reasons they 've chosen this process ? :D

wind isn't important in this region i hope or was it for economic reasons they 've chosen this process ? :D

i'm sorry, inter isn't going to win this season...

The roof metal structure looks great! I respect all those engineers that made the project, especially for the suspended metal structure. I suppose it's for the first time when used this kind of technology in building stadiums! Can't wait until finished, Juve can be proud of it!
PS: By the way, will Torino Calcio AC use this stadium, or they will use Stadio Delle Alpi?

The roof metal structure looks great! I respect all those engineers that made the project, especially for the suspended metal structure. I suppose it's for the first time when used this kind of technology in building stadiums! Can't wait until finished, Juve can be proud of it!
PS: By the way, will Torino Calcio AC use this stadium, or they will use Stadio Delle Alpi?

They're building the new Juventus stadium in place of the "Stadio Delle Alpi", that has been demolished. Torino AC will continue to play in the Stadio Olimpico. I don't think that Torino supporters would like to watch their team "in the house of their historical enemy" :)

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Starting to take shape, fair play to the designers in creating a unique a roof structure (even if the supports look awful and tacky with the red and green graphics).

I dont think alot of people understand the importance this project has and the infuence it could have on italian football. Brittish football went through a phase of modernising stadia in the 90's which completely changed football in britain, resulting in a crime free, safer matchday experience.

Juventus seem to be following the example and if this project is successful it could lead to a much needed regeneration in Italian football and its fan culture, and greatly improve Italys chances of hosting a major tournament, which at the moment is probably less than nil.

which tournament?? not before 2030 :lol:

at this time we'll have a new generation of stadiums for all entertainments perhaps

which tournament?? not before 2030 :lol:

at this time we'll have a new generation of stadiums for all entertainments perhaps

just a draw for inter yesterday

:nono:

i don't care about italians clubs. Calcio all stories of cheating made me throw away :nuts:

I'm a fan of liverpool FC

So why are you posting your hopeless and annoying rant here? You're posting the same downgrading comments on this thread from day 1. If you don't care at all about Italian football in general and about this stadium in particular then do us - and yourself - a favour: change thread.

Starting to take shape, fair play to the designers in creating a unique a roof structure (even if the supports look awful and tacky with the red and green graphics).

I dont think alot of people understand the importance this project has and the infuence it could have on italian football. Brittish football went through a phase of modernising stadia in the 90's which completely changed football in britain, resulting in a crime free, safer matchday experience.

Juventus seem to be following the example and if this project is successful it could lead to a much needed regeneration in Italian football and its fan culture, and greatly improve Italys chances of hosting a major tournament, which at the moment is probably less than nil.

And I hope the chances for Italy to host a majour tournament keep on being close to nil. Not in the current economic situation. Not with the team owners planning to build their stadia from scratch with taxpayers' money which could be diverted elsewhere.

The cladding looks similar to the new stand going up at Edgbaston cricket ground...


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Well, the cladding we've seen so far is the one covering the shopping mall. I'm looking forward to see, instead, the one which will cover the terraces, since it'll be - according to the architects and to Juventus - a series of laminae which will "float" on the waves of sounds coming from inside the arena: i.e. they'll wobble as the crowd roars. It'll be quite an entertaining view for those kept outside the stadium since they can't afford the prices of tickets (which, I bet, won't be handed out for free).

Really poor...
Our Juve still in decadence

^^ nice progrees.... :)

Really poor...
Our Juve still in decadence
afraid of a.c. milan?

Really poor...
Our Juve still in decadence

Yes the clad is poor but the interior looks quite normal.

That's the cladding of the shopping mall near the stadium, and it's just under contruction.

Yes the clad is poor but the interior looks quite normal.
i'm sorry for inter...:banana::lol:

Liverpool please. I don't know what inter has to do with me :lol:

Liverpool please. I don't know what inter has to do with me :lol:
you and inter are losers....that's why...

is it that hard to understand that is not stadium cladding??????
it's the shopping mall cladding
it's different one!!

you and inter are losers....that's why...

ZERU TITULI!

Yes the clad is poor but the interior looks quite normal.

one more time: THE CLADDING YOU SEE IS THE CLADDING OF THE SHOPPING MALL! it's NOT the stadium's cladding!!!!

show us how it will be then!

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7700/image00005wy.jpg

There. Its that thing at the bottom is being cladded in those photos not the feckin stadium....

Christ how many times do you have to be told?

show us how it will be then!

check some pages behind, there's plenty of renderings and videos.

show us how it will be then!

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i reccomend you this link: http://www.ilnuovostadiodellajuventus.com/Pages/Default.aspx

it's juve new stadium official website. You can find anything you want about it.

Poor inter...:cheers::banana:

good job juve

Not sure about the cladding.......:colgate:

nice stadium

the video shows it's a good modern stadium! it is convincing after watching it!

Even if i don't like this club, the video is great :)

Even if i don't like this club, the video is great :)

No, reallly? I would have never guessed!

it doesn't change the nature of this club anyway! i prefer to shut my thought...

But good to see that one decent stadium Italy has emerged since 20 years :lol:

Hahahaha, you talk about Italy, but France ?????? The only decent stadium in France is Stade de France only 1 elite stadium (and is used by national team), now look to Germany and you will see that France = -100 in comparation with Germany, next year Poland will have some awesome eltie stadiums, again you can't compare.
PS: France stays a lot worse then Italy.
YOU ONLY HAVE LUCK WITH MICHEL PLATINI, I HATE HIM! Turkey should host Euro 2016!

Even if i don't like this club, the video is great :)

said by an inter/liverpool fan that's a real compliment

Hahahaha, you talk about Italy, but France ?????? The only decent stadium in France is Stade de France only 1 elite stadium (and is used by national team), now look to Germany and you will see that France = -100 in comparation with Germany, next year Poland will have some awesome eltie stadiums, again you can't compare.
PS: France stays a lot worse then Italy.



True but if you compare the next geneartion of stadiums for euro2016 lille, marseille, lyon...

France KO italy :lol:

True but if you compare the next geneartion of stadiums for euro2016 lille, marseille, lyon...

You forgot NICE !!!!!!!!!! (imho the most, the most...."everything" :yes:...among the future large French stadiums)



P.S. @jeleu (aka dear Polish friend): Just in case you didn't notice, France is building (since 2005 till 2014) a brand new generation of stadiums...

From 2005 to 2014:

Montpellier, 12K (rugby)
Calais, 12K
Clermont-Ferrand 17K (rugby)
Rennes, 30K
Reims, 23K
Grenoble, 20K (expandable to 28K)
Valenciennes, 25K
Dijon, 22K
Perpignan, 18K (rugby)
Le Mans, 25K
Lille, 50K + retractable roof
Le Havre, 25K (expandable to 30K)
Lens, 44K
Paris, 22K (rugby)
Paris, 32K + retractable roof (rugby)
Lyon, 62K
Lorient, 22K
Bordeaux, 45K
Nancy, 35K + retractable roof
Nice, 35K
Marseille, 67K
Paris (Parc des Princes), 50K (?)
St-Etienne, 40K
Metz, 35K + retractable roof

+
Toulouse (?)
Angers
Brest
Bastia
Strasbourg (?)
Ajaccio
Clermont-Ferrand
Brives (rugby)
Boulogne
Toulon (rugby)
Châteauroux
Biarritz (rugby)
Bayonne (rugby)

etc
etc
etc

Not to mention our small stadiums built from the late 80s till early 2000s and still look decent:
Small Stadia (I) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=56041473&postcount=1024)

Small Stadia (II) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=56330869&postcount=1025)

Small Stadia (III) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=59519279&postcount=1034)



About some more recent projects in France;):
FRANCE - Stadium and Arena Development News (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=571027)

tx parcdesprinces to solve the problem of ignorance of our friend jeleu :lol:

^^ No problem


:cheers:

We are talking about the present here, in some of the stadiums you wrote there the work not even started and you can't be sure that stadiums will be 100% finished, there can appear lots of problems... and at this time like I said France have only ONE elite stadium. I didn't wanted to say all this things but your friend talked about Italy and its not fair becaue NOW Italy have better stadiums then France. Just look at the Bundesliga teams and see what stadiums are there, most of them are Elite and with big capacity!

PS: I'm not from Poland!