NOW Italy have better stadiums then France.

I gave you links toward some posts I wrote about French stadiums.... click and watch... then we will talk about stadiums... 'cause as far I remember Italy doesn't have any stadium like the ones in the posts I linked.....

And don't worry about your precious "Elite stadiums".... BECAUSE..only the 70K+ stadiums are taken into consideration nowadays when it comes to the CL final :tongue::


Again:



Extracted from the "UEFA Stadium Infrastructure Regulations" :

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In addition of that, still in terms of capacity, a stadium must have (net cap.) :
50,000 seats minimum for the Europa League final and a minimum of 60,000 seats for the Champions League final (but preferably at least 70,000 seats since the Platini era).


And about the UEFA Euro, here are the requirements in terms of capacity (extracted from the "UEFA European Championship, Tournament Requirements") :

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How many significant stadiums you said you have in your country (whatever it is) ??? :D

To be fair France is not much better off than Italy on the stadium front.

I think the discussion is more about which country boast the least poor stadia rather than which has the best.

Lets wait until a few of the proposed stadia in France are completed before boasting.

To be fair France is not much better off than Italy on the stadium front.

I think the discussion is more about which country boast the least poor stadia rather than which has the best.

Lets wait until a few of the proposed stadia in France are completed before boasting.

to close this debate Italy have better stadium ONLY at this day we 're speaking but not so much! With the new projecst in france , le mans, Valenciennes ,Lille,Lyon, Marseille, Nice Italy can't even compare one second and be KO by our projects! Not a hasard if Euro 2016 is in france dear :cheers:

Just take Lille example and it beats all Italy projects :lol:


But juve arena seem to be more decent than i thought

Dear francophones,you don't understand football,discuss each other on cycling.

To be fair France is not much better off than Italy on the stadium front.

Sorry.. but what?!

France has TONS of smaller (15-30k) new and beautiful stadiums.. and that's where Italy fails the most. Don't judge all the French stadiums and users by this deluded and annoying Lille fan :)

Concerning the VIp boxes in juvearena :

-how many?
-how much will they cost?

France has TONS of smaller (15-30k) new and beautiful stadiums.. and that's where Italy fails the most.

That's exactly what I meant !

let's talk about juve new stadium, please:bash:

The first Italian team which will have its own stadium

The modern stadiums in France are very small.The single stadium having elite stadium's capacity is Parc des Princes but Italy has many big elite stadiums in comparison with France.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?stadion=giuseppe-meazza-stadion&folder=sites&site=fotos&id=1580&page=1

http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?stadion=stadio-olimpico&folder=sites&site=fotos&id=1582&page=1

http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?stadion=san-paolo&folder=sites&site=fotos&id=1600&page=1

http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?stadion=san-nicola&folder=sites&site=fotos&id=1640&page=1

http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?stadion=luigi-ferraris&folder=sites&site=fotos&id=1603&page=1

^^ "Elite stadium" minimum capacity is 30K, so:

Stade de France 81K (elite)
Marseille 60K
Lille (u/c) 50K (elite)
Parc des Princes 49K (elite)
Lyon 42K (elite)
Lens 41K
Nantes 38K
Toulouse 37K
St Etienne 35K
Bordeaux 34K
Montpellier 33K
Rennes 30K

+, Projects (30K+):

Lyon (OL Land, new)
Bordeaux (new stadium)
Strasbourg (new stadium ?)
Nice (new stadium)
Nancy (extension)
Metz (extension)
Paris (Arena 92, new, rugby)
Clermont-Ferrand (extension ?)


From 2012-2013 :

Stade de France 81K (elite)
Marseille 67K (elite)
Lyon 62K (elite)
Lille 50K (elite)
Parc des Princes 50K (elite)
Bordeaux 45K (elite)
Lens 44K (elite)
St Etienne 41K (elite)
Toulouse 40K (elite)
Strasbourg 40K ? (elite)
Nantes 38K
Nice 35K (elite)
Metz 35K (elite)
Nancy 35K (elite)
Bordeaux 34K (rugby)
Montpellier 33K
Paris (Arena 92), 32K (rugby)
Lyon 30K (rugby)
Clermont-Ferrand 30K ?
Rennes 30K




P.S. Not to mention that all big Italian stadiums, if they want to keep/have the "elite label", will have to be reduced due to the new UEFA regulations in terms of seat size (e.g. Sans Siro 75K, Rome 66K, Napoli 60K, Bari 45K etc)...

Please... who cares about French stadiums? This is absolutely Off Topic!

Let us please talk about the Juventus stadium

Indeed, sorry to the off-topic posts !

20 November 2010

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Concerning the VIp boxes in juvearena :

-how many?
-how much will they cost?
64 skybox designed by pininfarina

from 50.000€ to 130.000€ for the complete season(italian eand european competitions)

you can also use the box during the week for a business meeting, brunch or lunch

here the virtual tour

http://www.ilnuovostadiodellajuventus.com/Pages/SkyBox.htm



and here some caps

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Juve fan here. I have been following the stadium quite closely, but I still have a few questions:

- Why did Juve sell a portion of the commerical space to Nordiconad for only 20m? That space when filled with stores, etc, will generate much more than that on a yearly basis.

- Sportfive paid Juventus 75m to market the VIP areas and for the privilege of finding a stadium sponsor. They will make a profit once they chose the winner, recouping their 75m and than some, which begs the question, y did Juve hire a middle man to begin with? I realize Sportfive have the expertize, but given the connection with FIAT, I am sure Juventus have the connections to seek out a sponsor by itself.

- There has been plenty of speculation regarding the issue of tie rods inside the stadium, potentially obstructing the view, and proving this project to be not as modern as Blanc has made it out to be. There was a picture in a gallery on Juventus.com that included these rods, but it was only 1 picture, and all other renders I have seen do not include them. I find it hard to believe the engineers made a mistake and only noticed this problem this far along in construction. Has anyone from Juventus confirmed or denied this rumour?

Juve fan here. I have been following the stadium quite closely, but I still have a few questions:

- Why did Juve sell a portion of the commerical space to Nordiconad for only 20m? That space when filled with stores, etc, will generate much more than that on a yearly basis.

- Sportfive paid Juventus 75m to market the VIP areas and for the privilege of finding a stadium sponsor. They will make a profit once they chose the winner, recouping their 75m and than some, which begs the question, y did Juve hire a middle man to begin with? I realize Sportfive have the expertize, but given the connection with FIAT, I am sure Juventus have the connections to seek out a sponsor by itself.

- There has been plenty of speculation regarding the issue of tie rods inside the stadium, potentially obstructing the view, and proving this project to be not as modern as Blanc has made it out to be. There was a picture in a gallery on Juventus.com that included these rods, but it was only 1 picture, and all other renders I have seen do not include them. I find it hard to believe the engineers made a mistake and only noticed this problem this far along in construction. Has anyone from Juventus confirmed or denied this rumour?

i have the answers to all of your questions but it's so difficult for me and my poor english to explain them successfully.

i can try

- a soccer team dont 'have the know-how to manage a commercial place, and however it 's no so remunerative as people thinking.(my sister worked in Auchan company)
juventus could rent the place or the structure but she have to build it. The cost of this last two ones was 25 mln for the filed and 65 mln for the building, cost that she havo to advance, (90 mln total)
with an annual rate of 2-3mln, it need 30-45 years to amortize

however only a part of commercial area was sold. 1/3 of the area remain to juventus for core business like resturant, marchandising shop, etc


- blanc is a dead man walking, without experience in Italy and abandoned by the owners.
moreover, after the scandal of 'calciopoli', a fiat manager said openly in an interview that it was a good thing for Fiat marketing the juventus punishment.
it was a 'golpe' inside the Agnelli's family


-it's a mistery. the 'rods' exist but they aren't (8)rods to support but 8 iron wires that have to hold down the structure.
it's not a mistake. it's a solution pourposed to blanc and the rest of the management and they approved it(unbelievably for us)




excuse my english again

thank you but could someone translate the last part i 've understood nothing ??!!

thank you but could someone translate the last part i 've understood nothing ??!!

in the four corners of the stadium there are four couple of iron wire(i dont know the specific english name) that have the function of holding the structure of the roof

64 skybox designed by pininfarina

from 50.000€ to 130.000€ for the complete season(italian eand european competitions)


Is the most expensive box's price 130.000€ ? Per person or per box ? Which one ?

Is the most expensive box's price 130.000€ ? Per person or per box ? Which one ?

Per box, of course.

was it necessary to design boxes by pininfarina what anyone even here on the forum could do in its living room?

i don't see anything in those boxes that need such a signature!!?

They seem to be good and very normal... (just imo)

And what about the commercial area? wher is it located and how many stores?

was it necessary to design boxes by pininfarina what anyone even here on the forum could do in its living room?

i don't see anything in those boxes that need such a signature!!?

They seem to be good and very normal... (just imo)

And what about the commercial area? wher is it located and how many stores?

That's why Pininfarina is world famous design studio and you are one of the worst trolls this forum has seen.. because you both could design that.

That's why Pininfarina is world famous design studio and you are one of the worst trolls this forum has seen.. because you both could design that.


trust me it's not provocative ! my living room ties this boxes!

Don't be offended.

Please could you answer the question concerning the stores rather than treating me "a troll"? You would be nice.

That's why Pininfarina is world famous design studio and you are one of the worst trolls this forum has seen.. because you both could design that.

:lol:

was it necessary to design boxes by pininfarina what anyone even here on the forum could do in its living room?

i don't see anything in those boxes that need such a signature!!?

They seem to be good and very normal... (just imo)

And what about the commercial area? wher is it located and how many stores?

have you seen the emirates and allianz vip-zone and boxes?

you have to call immediately Arsenal and Bayer to poupose yourself to refresh them

the commercial area is located into the old structure of the old stadium

i have the answers to all of your questions but it's so difficult for me and my poor english to explain them successfully.

i can try

- a soccer team dont 'have the know-how to manage a commercial place, and however it 's no so remunerative as people thinking.(my sister worked in Auchan company)
juventus could rent the place or the structure but she have to build it. The cost of this last two ones was 25 mln for the filed and 65 mln for the building, cost that she havo to advance, (90 mln total)
with an annual rate of 2-3mln, it need 30-45 years to amortize

however only a part of commercial area was sold. 1/3 of the area remain to juventus for core business like resturant, marchandising shop, etc


- blanc is a dead man walking, without experience in Italy and abandoned by the owners.
moreover, after the scandal of 'calciopoli', a fiat manager said openly in an interview that it was a good thing for Fiat marketing the juventus punishment.
it was a 'golpe' inside the Agnelli's family


-it's a mistery. the 'rods' exist but they aren't (8)rods to support but 8 iron wires that have to hold down the structure.
it's not a mistake. it's a solution pourposed to blanc and the rest of the management and they approved it(unbelievably for us)




excuse my english again
I did not know Nordiconad were paying for the construction costs of that area, as I thought that cost was already covered in the total amount for the stadium, and Juve were simply selling them a long term lease. Thank you for the clarification. It makes more sense now.

Speaking of Blanc, I believe he has stated our revenue at the new Delle Alpi will double from it's current amount to around 40m. Does this 40m total include the revenue from the commercial space Juve will be operating, or is it only the amount from ticket sales (premium seats, Sky box, etc)?

Also, of the 64 boxes, ranging in price from 50k to 130k, do we know how many boxes fall under each price plan? (for example, how many of the 64 boxes cost 130k a year)

Don't worry about your english. I can understand you just fine.

have you seen the emirates and allianz vip-zone and boxes?

you have to call immediately Arsenal and Bayer to poupose yourself to refresh them

the commercial area is located into the old structure of the old stadium

please show me them !

was it necessary to design boxes by pininfarina what anyone even here on the forum could do in its living room?

i don't see anything in those boxes that need such a signature!!?

They seem to be good and very normal... (just imo)

And what about the commercial area? wher is it located and how many stores?

inter was just lucky last night....

please show me them !

www.google.com

www.youtube.com

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maybe someone din't see the last version of the stadium

the two last videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AinMWyNAbE8

http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=9156cf992ec22f95bba496a2fc44f1c8

I think it is good that they are building a conservative stadium that meets the club's requirements. 40,000 is not a rediculous amount of spectators but it suits Juventus' needs. The stadium design is relatively simple, but is recognizable from the Roof Supports which link back to those of the old design of Delle Alpi.

Q) Are those supports the original ones just repainted - or are they brand new?

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http://http://www.mondoworldwide.com/download.cfm?versioneuid=88AEA931-5056-8F31-5511D8305CE95E1F&nomedocumento=SpazioMondoN22_en.pdf (http://www.mondoworldwide.com/download.cfm?versioneuid=88AEA931-5056-8F31-5511D8305CE95E1F&nomedocumento=SpazioMondoN22_en.pdf)

http://www.mondoworldwide.com/Flooring_VenelliSeating_Products_Mondoseat9_it.cfm

nice stadium progressing really fast. but i dont understand why juve built a stadium with such a small capacity? for juve i think this is not enough, or maybe i am wrong and fans dont fill the current stadium?

i have the answers to all of your questions but it's so difficult for me and my poor english to explain them successfully.

i can try

- a soccer team dont 'have the know-how to manage a commercial place, and however it 's no so remunerative as people thinking.(my sister worked in Auchan company)
juventus could rent the place or the structure but she have to build it. The cost of this last two ones was 25 mln for the filed and 65 mln for the building, cost that she havo to advance, (90 mln total)
with an annual rate of 2-3mln, it need 30-45 years to amortize

however only a part of commercial area was sold. 1/3 of the area remain to juventus for core business like resturant, marchandising shop, etc


- blanc is a dead man walking, without experience in Italy and abandoned by the owners.
moreover, after the scandal of 'calciopoli', a fiat manager said openly in an interview that it was a good thing for Fiat marketing the juventus punishment.
it was a 'golpe' inside the Agnelli's family


-it's a mistery. the 'rods' exist but they aren't (8)rods to support but 8 iron wires that have to hold down the structure.
it's not a mistake. it's a solution pourposed to blanc and the rest of the management and they approved it(unbelievably for us)




excuse my english again

it's a beautiful stadium but those tie rods in the interior are a big mistake:ohno:

nice stadium progressing really fast. but i dont understand why juve built a stadium with such a small capacity? for juve i think this is not enough, or maybe i am wrong and fans dont fill the current stadium?

Average attendance:
Year 2000: 42229
It went down year after year and in:
Year 2009: 21218

Capacity is ok ;)

I

Q) Are those supports the original ones just repainted - or are they brand new?

They're brand new ;):)

I found this picture showing spectator proximity in some recently built british stadiums (City of Manchester, Emirates, Wembley + the upcoming THS stadium)...The distance from the pitch varies from 8,5 m (THS) TO 18 m (Wembley).

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8152/seatinggoals.gif

Well, in the new Juventus stadium it will be 7,35m to the goal line :)

Average attendance:
Year 2000: 42229
It went down year after year and in:
Year 2009: 21218

Capacity is ok ;)

it's not a correct analysis, it's a partial and yeasty view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQTPy8o1qU

@ 1:06. Notice the stairs leading up to the bench in the stands. I knew the players would sit amongst the crowd like the English stadiums, but I figured it would be from ground level. In that video, there is a tiny flight of stairs between the touch line and the billboards that the players walk up/down.

Is this how it is being designed? If so, are the coaches allowed to roam in that space at the bottom of the stairs between the touchline and advertisements?

Average attendance:
Year 2000: 42229
It went down year after year and in:
Year 2009: 21218

Capacity is ok ;)

Well in the year 2000 juventus used to play in Delle Alpi stadium with a capacity of 70,000, from 2006 juventus started to play in Olimpico stadium capacity 28,000 there's a big difference.
U cannot make this kind of analysis.

Anyway we talked a lot about the new stadium capacity of 41,000. We all know that such a team should have a stadium big as Real or Milan or at least as Arsenal Emirates Stadium, i mean between 60,000 and 85,000. Acutally it's what we used to have with Delle Alpi.
But it's even good to have right now a capicity like that. Italy is having lot of problems to fill every single stadium all around. I think if the new arena will be a success, we are going to see an expansion. I think it's possible.

The funny thing is that Juve is from what I 've heard by far the most popular team in Italy.....All the other major Italian clubs though have larger stadiums and none of them consider them to be too large or "cold" like the Juve fans about the Delle Alpi...Are they sure in the Juve board that in a period shorter maybe than 10 years they are not going to need an expansion?

The capacity issue is becoming rather boring, i mean, there's nothing we can do about it. For the italian standards this stadium is stunning, so that's the important thing

The funny thing is that Juve is from what I 've heard by far the most popular team in Italy.....All the other major Italian clubs though have larger stadiums and none of them consider them to be too large or "cold" like the Juve fans about the Delle Alpi...Are they sure in the Juve board that in a period shorter maybe than 10 years they are not going to need an expansion?

It's the most popular club in italy, but the fans doesn't all live in Torino right?

I think the capacity is good. Im tired of watching Italian football with empty stadiums.

40k is large enough for this club. Dell alpi was empty all time.

First off, lets remember that Juve have never averaged over 45,000 in their history.

Secondly, whats the point of building a 60k seater for instance when they'd only fill it two, three times a season?

Can we please have one team in Italy that plays to 90% capacity throughout a whole season, instead of criticizing the decision?

Juve are pioneers in Italian football. Its the same principal at Arsenal. They could've built an 70-80,000 seater easily, but supply/demand at the Emirates has made it as successful as its been.

Lets first see Juve regularly sell out this stadium before thinking about expansion. Serie A suffers from half full stadiums (which dont come across well on TV). After this, I would hope that Inter push on with building their 60k.

anyway this stadium isn't expandable

anyway this stadium isn't expandable

Why???

Prove it then.

anyway this stadium isn't expandable
poor inter...:lol:

poor inter...:lol:

Are you offended by the truth?

First off, lets remember that Juve have never averaged over 45,000 in their history. Yes they have. In 1990s Juve averaged more then 45k for five seasons.

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Are you offended by the truth?
we're offended by you

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This pic ^^ reminds me another one :

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OK guys. Ive read thru as much of this debate as much as i can keep a straight face! Firstly I'll say I'm a Juve fan thru. Live in UK and america, but used to visit the Stunning Delle Apli! It was a piece of art work and im sad its gone, but not for football viewing. It was floored all round, it cudnt even host athletics events cuz it didnt have a warm up track that events require. It was poor full stop for fans. So the new stadium is a MASSIVE plus for Italian football in general. I wud have liked to see a 55K capacity, but that WILL come in time. Its a question of economics simply. The board have done the numbers i think! Better to fill the new one and create demand by being the first of its kind in Italy. European big events will drive expansion in time. The San Siro is the only one that can be considered a FOOTBALL great venue, and its an old piece of crap really even tho its be re-vamped how many times? Like Delle Alpi was, San Siro great only from outside! Putting an impartial hat on....trying.., JUVE was not found guilty of cheating, yes influencing designee of refs, just like others were (oh and now Inter!) theres a surprise! Wonder who started the whole Calciopoli off? Thats what the evidence suggests, so let the courts battle it out rather than argue. Italian football was at fault, not just Juve. Juve is doing what needs Italy to do. MOVE ON! the stadium and the new board are evidence of that. Hopefully other clubs will follow suit. Finally the new design is cool. I like the fact that they are keeping the old style pillars, cuz the old stadium had its good points. I welcome ur views....

OK guys. Ive read thru as much of this debate as much as i can keep a straight face! Firstly I'll say I'm a Juve fan thru. Live in UK and america, but used to visit the Stunning Delle Apli! It was a piece of art work and im sad its gone, but not for football viewing. It was floored all round, it cudnt even host athletics events cuz it didnt have a warm up track that events require. It was poor full stop for fans. So the new stadium is a MASSIVE plus for Italian football in general. I wud have liked to see a 55K capacity, but that WILL come in time. Its a question of economics simply. The board have done the numbers i think! Better to fill the new one and create demand by being the first of its kind in Italy. European big events will drive expansion in time. The San Siro is the only one that can be considered a FOOTBALL great venue, and its an old piece of crap really even tho its be re-vamped how many times? Like Delle Alpi was, San Siro great only from outside! Putting an impartial hat on....trying.., JUVE was not found guilty of cheating, yes influencing designee of refs, just like others were (oh and now Inter!) theres a surprise! Wonder who started the whole Calciopoli off? Thats what the evidence suggests, so let the courts battle it out rather than argue. Italian football was at fault, not just Juve. Juve is doing what needs Italy to do. MOVE ON! the stadium and the new board are evidence of that. Hopefully other clubs will follow suit. Finally the new design is cool. I like the fact that they are keeping the old style pillars, cuz the old stadium had its good points. I welcome ur views....

welcome on SSC!:cheers:

Well, i'm pretty much inclined to agree with you through and through!:)

Cool comparison!

Are you offended by the truth?

Just had a look at Lille ProPosed ground stadium. Proposals change! and budgets! It obviously is a carbon copy of the Alianz, but i have to admit it looks impressive and wud no doubt make most teams envious! Stadiums can be bought be european greatness and history cannot be. :cheers:

cheers Fab87. look forward to some decent comments.

welcome on SSC!:cheers:

Well, i'm pretty much inclined to agree with you through and through!:)

cheers!

Just had a look at Lille ProPosed ground stadium. Proposals change! and budgets! It obviously is a carbon copy of the Alianz, but i have to admit it looks impressive and wud no doubt make most teams envious! Stadiums can be bought be european greatness and history cannot be. :cheers:


welcome to you! glad to see someone defending its team and project :)

Glad to see you apreciate lille project too.

welcome to you! glad to see someone defending its team and project :)

Glad to see you apreciate lille project too.

im passionate about stadia in general, and of course being juve fan, have lots to look forward to and this site just caught my eye. Juve have always been careful with the bottom line, and maybe thats really so with their kind of smallish satdium for now. If Lille does end up with the stadium ive seen, it will be fab! but do u think it will overshadow the club? Its almost too adventureous for a club that size, unless the city has bigger plans for its use etc. I suspect if it costs what i read it must have huge city plans, not just football. Juventus have perhaps gone the opposite way and slightly under planned / invested in the stadia itself. That said the whole complex being built is yrs ahead of anything else in Italy. If u ever went to a game at the old Delle Alpi u wud understand why Juve are being very cautious of not filling the new one straight away. If u can imagine it was not only 70,000 seats, but it was a huge arena too. goals miles away from nearest fans. So when it was only half full, seemed like ghost town. hope that explains why juve which are a BIG BIG club have gone for a small stadium (not a small club). I saw some previous posts.... anyway good to share views. I often visit france (parents live) be good to see it when built.

You know we are in the 21st century! Entertaining field is driven by american standards!

Lille and New juve stadia are made to bring families and others public than the general passionated fan :lol:

Lille organized two years in a row 2008 and 2009 two matches at stade de france, guess what? 2X 80000 tickets sold!

The demand exist and no need for lille to have juve palmarès to fulfill it! People just want to come pass a good moment in the stadium eating pop corn!

That's the new business model for entertaining sports events. Why dio you think they (in lille) included this small arena inside+ the retractable roof ?! To make concerts and others things to raise money without rain snow etc...

You know we are in the 21st century! Entertaining field is driven by american standards!

Lille and New juve stadia are made to bring families and others public than the general passionated fan :lol:

Lille organized two years in a row 2008 and 2009 two matches at stade de france, guess what? 2X 80000 tickets sold!

The demand exist and no need for lille to have juve palmarès to fulfill it! People just want to come pass a good moment in the stadium eating pop corn!

That's the new business model for entertaining sports events. Why dio you think they (in lille) included this small arena inside+ the retractable roof ?! To make concerts and others things to raise money without rain snow etc...
just seeing if u understood it!... as i suspected its about the other things, rather than the the football. Little Lille...! Im just joking with u. Im very familiar with business model. I lived in america for 8 yrs. only cam back last yr. I lived in Indianapolis, where the Colts built Lucas Oil new stadium 3 yrs ago. Generally considered 1 of the top 3 stadiums in the USA. Its very cool! tho different from the outside to usual stadiums. Roof retracts from the sides vs the ends. Only one of its kind, so the opening area is the worlds biggest, since u mentioned the roof of urs! However if we are really taking about the best from anything ever built, look no further than Dallas cowboys new one. My god... Anyway back to the real footbal, not yankie type.

New dallas is big very big! sure . i was talking about the multimode transformation which is unique for us! But you can discuss it on the thread dedicated to lille stadium!

Here it's juvearena :)

This stadium shows how Juve is getting smaller as time goes by... The great italian champion is now a mid-size club from the 'continental Europe'.
It's such a shame!

^^ Juve used to play in the "Comunale" until 1990 which was a rather small stadium, and still was the biggest italian team. To me, the fact that we're the first italian team to build a modern stadium means that we're not getting smaller.

This stadium shows how Juve is getting smaller as time goes by... The great italian champion is now a mid-size club from the 'continental Europe'.
It's such a shame!

Shows ur lack of knowledge im afraid. U obviously dont understand the delle alpi problem and the business aspects of football. If juve had built another 70000 seat and not filled it what type of reaction wud that bring from folks such as urself? Even if u cud afford it wud u buy an 8 bedroom house, if there was just urself and a partner? NO. U wudnt waste the money, until u needed the extra rooms. No different. No point paying maintenance for something not used until needed expansion. Juve are still the richest club in italy (top 10 in world), but are bottom line focused and always have been. They carry no debt. Unlike most of the other major european clubs. Wait until UEFA financial fair play rules comes in 2012. Where u cant spend more than ur revenue. then we'll see... Im glad we have a strong board...Their financial solidity will carry them way past some of these debt burdened clubs that people assume are great. Ur gonna see loads of so called BIG clubs become small...!

^^ Juve used to play in the "Comunale" until 1990 which was a rather small stadium, and still was the biggest italian team. To me, the fact that we're the first italian team to build a modern stadium means that we're not getting smaller.

Yeh. and the problem with the new comunale is that its a very big stadium, but with very few seats (cuz the stands are quite small for the size of the stadium) so the fans are again far away and not big capacity to have good atmosphere. another reason driving a compact, close and intimate new ground. they want a complete new experience for fans. its cool. and it will expand in time....

it's not a correct analysis, it's a partial and yeasty view.

Well in the year 2000 juventus used to play in Delle Alpi stadium with a capacity of 70,000, from 2006 juventus started to play in Olimpico stadium capacity 28,000 there's a big difference.
U cannot make this kind of analysis.


1999-2000: 42229
2000-2001: 41273
2001-2002: 40687
2002-2003: 39771
2003-2004: 34365
2004-2005: 26249
2005-2006: 30469

In 1990's they had the highest average attendance:
1989-1999: 43855
with record season 91/92 when they were second in Italy (51832)
behind AC Milan (77868).

Here is full analysis and the conclusion stays the same.
The capacity is ok ;)

For those believing that with this stadium juventus is getting smaller, let's have a quick look to some beautiful italian stadia where most of the medium and small Serie A teams play

Catania
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2651/news1249559608stadiomas.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/news1249559608stadiomas.jpg/)

Lecce

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7467/lecceviadelmare1.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/lecceviadelmare1.jpg/)

Palermo

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1792/palermobarbera.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/palermobarbera.jpg/)

Fiorentina

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6919/artemiofranchi2.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/artemiofranchi2.jpg/)

Napoli

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7087/sanpaolo.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sanpaolo.jpg/)

and last but not least..the stunning Sant'Elia in Cagliari...

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7579/20327oristadiocomunales.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/20327oristadiocomunales.jpg/)

The new Juventus stadium will be revolutionary for Italy. It may not be big, but its visibility, comfort and accessibility will be at the best european standards (only 7,5m the distance between the first tier and the pitch), there will be the Juventus Walk of Fame, shopping center, museum, and so on. The central issues in italian stadia are lack of comfort and visibility and violence, that's why Juve is building this stadium

Italian football is big and classy but stadiums level is very very average. I'd glad italian stadiums get well as all over Europe elite. God job Juve!

^^ Juve used to play in the "Comunale" until 1990 which was a rather small stadium, and still was the biggest italian team. To me, the fact that we're the first italian team to build a modern stadium means that we're not getting smaller.

It's not just the stadium that is getting smaller... Juve is getting smaller. Where are the great players like Zidane? When will Juve win a UCL again?

It's not just the stadium that is getting smaller... Juve is getting smaller. Where are the great players like Zidane? When will Juve win a UCL again?
So why has Del Piero never left? And Buffon? And Nedved on the Board? Krasic will be a massive star! Zidane was a nobody before he made his name at Juve. JUVE dont buy great players, they make them!

New Pictures ?

New Pictures ?
why asking? just search for it and post them
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Il-Nuovo-stadio-della-Juventus/129083410462229

For those believing that with this stadium juventus is getting smaller, let's have a quick look to some beautiful italian stadia where most of the medium and small Serie A teams play

Catania
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2651/news1249559608stadiomas.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/news1249559608stadiomas.jpg/)

Lecce

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7467/lecceviadelmare1.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/lecceviadelmare1.jpg/)

Palermo

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1792/palermobarbera.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/palermobarbera.jpg/)

Fiorentina

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6919/artemiofranchi2.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/artemiofranchi2.jpg/)

Napoli

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7087/sanpaolo.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sanpaolo.jpg/)

and last but not least..the stunning Sant'Elia in Cagliari...

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7579/20327oristadiocomunales.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/20327oristadiocomunales.jpg/)

The new Juventus stadium will be revolutionary for Italy. It may not be big, but its visibility, comfort and accessibility will be at the best european standards (only 7,5m the distance between the first tier and the pitch), there will be the Juventus Walk of Fame, shopping center, museum, and so on. The central issues in italian stadia are lack of comfort and visibility and violence, that's why Juve is building this stadium




Let me continue with your list (to give a more complete picture) :
Parma
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/emiglia_romagna/parma_tardini2.jpg

Reggiana
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/emiglia_romagna/reggio_emiglia_giglio1.jpg

Modena
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/emiglia_romagna/modena_braglia2.jpg

Cesena
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/emiglia_romagna/cesena_manuzzi2.jpg

Trieste
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/friuli_venezia_giulia/trieste_rocco1.jpg

Salerno
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/campania/salerno_arechi1.jpg

Foggia
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/puglia/foggia_zaccheria2.jpg

Messina
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/sicilia/messina_san_filippo1.jpg

Peruggia
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/umbria/perugia_curi1.jpg

Yeah but among these only Cesena and Parma play in the serie A :) anyway, yeah, we do have horrible stadia. The only decent stadia are San Siro, Olimpico in Rome (even though not perfect for football), Olimpico in Turin and Luigi Ferraris in Genova.

Yeah but among these only Cesena and Parma play in the serie A :) anyway, yeah, we do have horrible stadia. The only decent stadia are San Siro, Olimpico in Rome (even though not perfect for football), Olimpico in Turin and Luigi Ferraris in Genova.

the less i can say is you're right :)

I would think that the next decade may see a real boom in the stadium renovations in Italy, and in Italian football itself.

As with all the big nations and the big leagues, football fortunes are cyclical, and right now the Italian game has been a bit down on it's fortunes in comparison to the English and Spanish leagues in particular, but that will come back.

And with the on field fortunes coming back, so I believe that off the field the clubs will learn to improve their lot, in terms of having their own grounds that are far more 'football friendly' and generate much more income for the clubs.

I certainly look forward to a boom in Italian football, and really hope that it happens soon!

+1

But juve has to pay it no? It will take decades ?

Guys back to Juve Stadium.
We have a Italy - Stadium and Arena thread ;)

But juve has to pay it no? It will take decades ?

Yes Juve pay, will not take decades. But cost of course had been factored in, as such no stupid plans to make too big yet! If u look at the estimated cost to build (anywhere from 120M to 150M euros) its very cheap for a stadium of this quality. Thats because they previously purchased the land from the local authorities, they are using the existing groundwork from the delle alpi and advancing some of the underground infrastructure as well. And if u look at the way delle alpi was demolished, was concerned with re-use / re-sale of the old materials. So in all the stadium wud normally cost close to twice the estimate at a guess if it were started completely from new. So again smart move from the club on this project. With naming rights, new sponsorship revenue created, avoidance of renting old delle alpi or the Olympic stadium and Juve's normal operating profit I cant see that this would not be paid off in 5 yrs or less. :)

Are Juve going to sell naming rights for the stadium? I'd be a bit disappointed if they did, I hate to see big teams sell naming rights for their grounds.

Are Juve going to sell naming rights for the stadium? I'd be a bit disappointed if they did, I hate to see big teams sell naming rights for their grounds.

Yes they already have. They sold the rights to sportfive... who in turn will sell it on to another sponsor yet to be announced. It involves a few other things with sportfive too, but Juve got 75 million for it over 15 yr period. So 5 Million a yr for 15 yrs is not bad business for advertising! I agree i hate to see naming rights sold too and wud have preferred something associated with the club (like Agnelli arena) but there's too much money to overlook 75M. Its the way of the world with new stadia sadly.

oh and in case anyone wants to compare. Arsenal got £100M for emirates (biggest deal ever in england) over 15yrs. but cuz juve have sold to sportfive, expect that theres extra money, not announced, from VIP boxes + partnerships etc. so its about right for a big club. Tag that on to a new shirt deal, with stadium naming etc and ur looking at 10M to 15M a year combined when it opens. So as i said it really pays back the building cost in 5 yrs or so. not bad for a stadium / total project that wud normally have cost closer to 300M. Read my comment earlier if u dont understand this comment.

For anyone out there who are Juve fans or people just interested in football financial management in general of all large clubs, this is a good read. And importantly it evaluates the cost, impact and the benefits of how Juve are planning their future with this new stadium.

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/09/has-old-lady-been-rejuvenated.html

I guess if the need to expand does arise, the team will be glad of the tall roof support towers. Surely the cables just need to be shortened, retied and the roof can be raised, allowing space for another ring of seating. Leys see how Juve get on with 40,000!

Do you go to the stadium? I think besides old stadiums i think we need to discuss the fans stadium visiting habits. Like , why is it that even there where stands are close to the pitch (san siro, Marassi, cesena, ) people tend not to sit there. I mean the clubs have taken advantege of this and placed advertisement on the glass walls covering the view. If you the fans would sit in the first rows we would finally see those ugly glass walls gone. They are just bad choice for security. They scare away the fans. Increased number of stewards wouldbe a better choice.

Last photo into the stadium...two/three weeks ago the terraces were these

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5429/c3media1184283immagineo.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/c3media1184283immagineo.jpg/)

I hope in last day they have completed the first level under the sky-boxes

seems that the capacity will grow up to 44,000 according to the Italian thread

seems that the capacity will grow up to 44,000 according to the Italian thread
I think it's just a mistake. The final capacity will be 41000.

Look the difference between the image of yesterday and the image of today. ;)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5616/rimossotirante.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/rimossotirante.jpg/)

Update: 3 weeks ago :)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5150/image00054y.jpg

It's getting better, better and better

The NEW shroud of Turin! It wraps around a divine spirit!:)

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1986/02301.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/02301.jpg/)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7897/02001w.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/02001w.jpg/)

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8981/03101.jpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/03101.jpg/)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8256/02701.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/02701.jpg/)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3076/02901l.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/02901l.jpg/)

:)

can`t wait to see it in real when Bayern is playing there ! and winning :cheers:

can`t wait to see it in real when Bayern is playing there ! and winning :cheers:
You mean WHINING!...:bash:

Looking good. There is still quite a lot of work to be done for a July launch, but they seem to be far along for all the major things (stands, roof).

Are they working on any interior parts yet? The renders show a tidy, modern looking inside. A stylish inside like that must take a while to complete.

Last photo into the stadium...two/three weeks ago the terraces were these

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5429/c3media1184283immagineo.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/c3media1184283immagineo.jpg/)

I hope in last day they have completed the first level under the sky-boxes

^^nice progrees.....:cheers:

LAST VIDEO 16 - 12 - 2010

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AND NEW RENDERING...
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6366/catturaik.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7113/cattura2k.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/971/cattura3fx.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8591/cattura4q.jpg
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9633/cattura5u.jpg

I saw this today by chance on Juve.com. It looks very cool, designer styled... I hope they do finish it like this. It almost has a racing car feel to it, like a ferarri crossing a black and white checked flag!

last video rendering


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Fantastic Video

PURE STYLE!

I like so much the green white and red design with the 2 stars (which will become three :D).
But I hope there will not be the checked seats: I prefer just black and white but separated.

^^
Quanti soldi spesi per costruire questo stadio??

^^
Quanti soldi spesi per costruire questo stadio??
140 milioni di euro circa

140 milioni di euro circa

yes roughly about 150M euro. But remember that juve already owned the old stadium / land around, so this cost is very low because of that. Using some infrastructure and materials of old delle alpi, so they reduced cost by a third + of what would have been (est) for a quality project of such.

But remember that juve already owned the old stadium / land around,

Interesting, I didn't know that ! Since when they owned Delle Alpi and the site ??

Interesting, I didn't know that ! Since when they owned Delle Alpi and the site ??
since 2003...juve paid 23 millions euro for it. Plus 120 millions euro for the construction of this new stadium. The total is 140 millions more or less.

Interesting, I didn't know that ! Since when they owned Delle Alpi and the site ??

Yes. Before the scandal all came out in 2006, Juve had wisely already purchased the old delle alpi and surrounding land from the local authority. I think they paid about 25M euros for it. Something like that... So a lot of the old foundations & infrastructure has been able to be re-used... so they have saved a lot by doing this.. As i said 150M for a stadium (and surrounding development of commercial area for Juve) of this quality is very low cost. Arsenal Emirates cost £390 + area costs to build. Yes bigger, but not that much to justify the difference. So you can see how much Juve have saved by taking this approach...

Yes. Before the scandal all came out in 2006, Juve had wisely already purchased the old delle alpi and surrounding land from the local authority. I think they paid about 25M euros for it. Something like that... So a lot of the old foundations & infrastructure has been able to be re-used... so they have saved a lot by doing this.. As i said 150M for a stadium (and surrounding development of commercial area for Juve) of this quality is very low cost. Arsenal Emirates cost £390 + area costs to build. Yes bigger, but not that much to justify the difference. So you can see how much Juve have saved by taking this approach...

I thin they owned it from 2004 or 2005.

since 2003...juve paid 23 millions euro for it. Plus 120 millions euro for the construction of this new stadium. The total is 140 millions more or less.

Stadium cost was re-budgeted to 150M build. (not 120M previously stated). I dont beleive the cost to buy the old stadium is included, cuz it was so long ago and has been wrote off the finance books. The build cost is for the new build. If you want to call it 173M then, thats fine... They must have saved at least 100M+ from buying the old ground... smart...

I like it! Can't wait to see it completed.

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im Zephaniah no Nic or wilgles. I deliver this message for him. Don't mess with the some of the most powerful people on the internet. Have fun.

Are Juve really considered "Italy's team"? I mean you see the tricolor everywhere now (stadium, shirts). Has it always been this way or this something that's developed in recent years and Juve have just gone overboard with it?

The claim is not a new one, I think they were considered a sort of national club team as early as the 50s and 60s, if not before. But obviously they've chosen to put more emphasis on that concept in recent years (I guess as an attempt to rebuild their image after the 2006 troubles).

Well, I would say yes. It's also called "italy's girlfriend". It's the team of national players and with 15 million fans all over the country

Even Juve haters cannot deny the view being Italy's Team. Juve always have strong tradition with National team. Certainly in last 20 yrs when foreign players have dominated teams, juve always been italian based. Marcelo Lippi used to be accused of Pro Juve selection, but not true. Even today, Juve's best starting line still has 8 Italian players. So it's not hard to see why most would come from Juve. How many starters of Inter are Italian? None.. Milan.. Maybe 3?.. This combined with Juve youth sector always strongest, leading the way with new 1st owned stadium in Italy and generally always appointing Italian coaches, all lends itself to this view.. And they play fair with financial management. There are very few other clubs i can think of that display similar ways. None in England, Maybe Barca?? Just... And Perhaps Bayern. So like them or not, you have to respect what their DNA is made of!:)

Axelferis has been very quiet lately... Maybe he has been fired by the Lille marketing team! or perhaps he has been scared off by facts and knowledge about projects Vs wild statements made!...

Axelferis has been very quiet lately... Maybe he has been fired by the Lille marketing team! or perhaps he has been scared off by facts and knowledge about projects Vs wild statements made!...

:nono:

:nono:

:lol:
And do u know why Inter are hated more than Juve? Because Inter are Anti-Italian. It's true! I can tell u how if u dont know this.:?

I both don't like inter and juve! i already mentionned why is the case for juve but please we're there to talk about infrastructures :lol:

Maybe Axelferis read too many times the "Gazzetta dello Sport" of Milan.
My italians friends peraphs know about the manipulation of the public opinion of this newspaper and its incredible "truth" about Calciopoli. The tragic event is that which abroad media copy sport italian news from "Gazzetta", so out of our country (but also INTO, thanks to this continuous disinformation) many people believe that Juve won because of referees.
But in the trail in Naples it's estabilished that Calciopoli is just an invention to destroy the most important and loved (and HATED to the other supporters) team in Italy.

Don't you believe? It's Italy, my friends. In this country sport justice do not exists.

Returning on thread, let's watch the extended video (of thursday) with the work into the stadium.
We can see that first tier of "Curva Sud" is on building. ;)

http://www.tuttosport.com/video/calcio/serie_a/juventus/2010/12/16-19012/Juve%2C+guarda+i+lavori+per+il+nuovo+stadio

Maybe Axelferis read too many times the "Gazzetta dello Sport" of Milan.
My italians friends peraphs know about the manipulation of the public opinion of this newspaper and its incredible "truth" about Calciopoli. The tragic event is that which abroad media copy sport italian news from "Gazzetta", so out of our country (but also INTO, thanks to this continuous disinformation) many people believe that Juve won because of referees.
But in the trail in Naples it's estabilished that Calciopoli is just an invention to destroy the most important and loved (and HATED to the other supporters) team in Italy.

Don't you believe? It's Italy, my friends. In this country sport justice do not exists.


congratulations! that's the truth!:)

Maybe Axelferis read too many times the "Gazzetta dello Sport" of Milan.
My italians friends peraphs know about the manipulation of the public opinion of this newspaper and its incredible "truth" about Calciopoli. The tragic event is that which abroad media copy sport italian news from "Gazzetta", so out of our country (but also INTO, thanks to this continuous disinformation) many people believe that Juve won because of referees.
But in the trail in Naples it's estabilished that Calciopoli is just an invention to destroy the most important and loved (and HATED to the other supporters) team in Italy.

Don't you believe? It's Italy, my friends. In this country sport justice do not exists.
Either Juve, Milan + other (oh and INTER now) now are all guilty or all innocent. Simple but true. Inter are not italian, there pure existence was born from wanting to play with foreigners, not italians... hence internationale.. If there is any justice to be done 1 of 2 situations must be done.
1. Nobody guilty, then re-assign 2 scudetti to Juve and a penalty to Inter (similar to Milan, cuz they will never relegate Inter now) then re-calculate 2006-07 season and Inter loose that Scudetto). Then its over!
2. All guilty. Strip Inter of 05-06 scudetto and leave both un-assigned. Penalty for Inter, again loose 06-07 title. Again finsihed!
As Juve fan, want number 1. And think thats Agnelli will achieve this, if not nuber 2 at minimum!
Forza Juve.

If there is any justice to be done 1 of 2 situations must be done.
1. Nobody guilty, then re-assign 2 scudetti to Juve and a penalty to Inter (similar to Milan, cuz they will never relegate Inter now) then re-calculate 2006-07 season and Inter loose that Scudetto). Then its over!
2. All guilty. Strip Inter of 05-06 scudetto and leave both un-assigned. Penalty for Inter, again loose 06-07 title. Again finsihed!
As Juve fan, want number 1. And think thats Agnelli will achieve this, if not nuber 2 at minimum!
Forza Juve.[/QUOTE]

And this is just tittles. I calculated Juve lost circa 200M from this also. (3 CL missed, they generate 30M per year just to qualify for CL, loss of revenue for shirt deal, sponsorship, ticket sales & delay stadium = further delayed revenue) But the FIGC are never gonna give that back are they, cudnt afford too. so either way Juve have been hurt whatever.. Just to build this so quick is triumph!

I completely agree with you.

According to these reasons, maybe I prefer that colours of our stadium should be BLACK and WHITE; limiting green, white, red.
This is the stadium of Juventus! And it isn't the stadium of the corrupted Federation of Italian Football :bash:
We have been waiting since 2006 justice for calciopoli!

I completely agree with you.

According to these reasons, maybe I prefer that colours of our stadium should be BLACK and WHITE; limiting green, white, red.
This is the stadium of Juventus! And it isn't the stadium of the corrupted Federation of Italian Football :bash:
We have been waiting since 2006 justice for calciopoli!
I think that all black and white strips on outside wud become too much after a while. Maybe get bad nick name like Zebra park or something. But i understand what u say on colours... Maybe keep as is, but put black and white bands around the italian colours? Above and below.. I think this is part of a gentle strategy to (dare i say influence) the have justice and support from FIGC. FIGC knows it got a big problem with calciopoli dealings, and juve slept but now awake! I personally think my second option will result, because if all are innocent, then how will Juve be compensated? In fact all teams.. And u have to believe Abbate, will try and influence Naples trials.. And can u imagine Moggi and criminal liability if found innocent... I dont know Italy as well as u cuz I live in england and lived in USA for 8 yrs before that, but never missed games on TV or internet etc. Used to visit delle apli prior to USA live. Live and breath Juve! cant wait to visit next season.:)

do you think others italian club will follow juve with new stadiums?
is it connected to the metro? You have Val system born in...lille :lol:

do you think others italian club will follow juve with new stadiums?
is it connected to the metro? You have Val system born in...lille :lol:

Of course other will follow, Roma have plans and Milan have wanted to for years, and so do inter. None of the others can or have been able to afford to as yet!!!:smug: I believe the metro connections are still in place from the delle alpi (the tram used to take me right outside the old stadium)
Curva Nord will know for sure!

do you think others italian club will follow juve with new stadiums?
is it connected to the metro? You have Val system born in...lille :lol:
Udinese has planned to remodel Stadio Friuli to make an english style.
Cagliari is also fighting against the istitutions to build a new stadium, because Sant'Elia is very bad and old.
Nothing else, at the moment. In Italy unfortunately political bureaucracy stops all the projects of football teams! :bash:

For the question about the metro, no, Delle Alpi is only connected thanks to some busses with the city centre.
About 40 minutes with public transport.

Olympic Stadium (the actual stadium of Juventus) is nearer the city centre, but I don't like because it's too small and the visibility from the terraces is bad.
I think that all black and white strips on outside wud become too much after a while. Maybe get bad nick name like Zebra park or something. But i understand what u say on colours... Maybe keep as is, but put black and white bands around the italian colours? Above and below.. I think this is part of a gentle strategy to (dare i say influence) the have justice and support from FIGC. FIGC knows it got a big problem with calciopoli dealings, and juve slept but now awake! I personally think my second option will result, because if all are innocent, then how will Juve be compensated? In fact all teams.. And u have to believe Abbate, will try and influence Naples trials.. And can u imagine Moggi and criminal liability if found innocent... I dont know Italy as well as u cuz I live in england and lived in USA for 8 yrs before that, but never missed games on TV or internet etc. Used to visit delle apli prior to USA live. Live and breath Juve! cant wait to visit next season.:)
You will be a welcome guest here in Turin! Maybe many persons believe that it's a "grey" city because of fog and weather depression.
But I love the elegance of this town, which thanks to Olympic Games and other events has been really "alive", also for young boys like us.
About Calciopoli, I don't have confidence on FIGC...at the moment it's impossibile that Inter will be punished with the actual governing of football.

ashventini then you live in england! when lille finished just take eurostar to come see it :) it takes just 1h15 min from london

ashventini then you live in england! when lille finished just take eurostar to come see it :) it takes just 1h15 min from london

Now i live england yes.
Will be in France next week even. Parents live in France but not Lille (limoges). often in France, and of course will check it out when completed!
Apart from all the debate we have on SSC, Lille truthfully looks nice project as i say before. I no u say u do not like Juve, but u have to respect what the club is all about and only Juve can do this in Italy after all the lies told about them. They help improve football for all Italy and maybe Lille will have please to play there next year in CL. After all this debate on SSC between Lille and Juve projects in must be destiny to happen!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3736/cavidef.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/cavidef.jpg/)

Now i live england yes.
Will be in France next week even. Parents live in France but not Lille (limoges). often in France, and of course will check it out when completed!
Apart from all the debate we have on SSC, Lille truthfully looks nice project as i say before. I no u say u do not like Juve, but u have to respect what the club is all about and only Juve can do this in Italy after all the lies told about them. They help improve football for all Italy and maybe Lille will have please to play there next year in CL. After all this debate on SSC between Lille and Juve projects in must be destiny to happen!

:lol: i know even if i don't like juve they are much stronger than lille but...maybe one day the new stadium finished we can embarasse a little this team but not in the present times.

You will be a welcome guest here in Turin! Maybe many persons believe that it's a "grey" city because of fog and weather depression.
But I love the elegance of this town, which thanks to Olympic Games and other events has been really "alive", also for young boys like us.
About Calciopoli, I don't have confidence on FIGC...at the moment it's impossibile that Inter will be punished with the actual governing of football.[/QUOTE]
I love Turin. To come over just for a game is not good use of time, so i used to go over for whole weekends. And there is lots to do! Altough Torino FC supporters are not my favourite. I went to a Derby game years ago and somehow managed to walk into to the Torino Ultras end. They were away team. Still dont know how i did it, but the black and white stripes shirt didnt go down to well with them! In fact after a few bottles thrown and a punch in the back, i escaped...:nuts: It was like a red flag in a Bull Fight!:nuts: Silly me. Juve 4-0 up. ended 4-4... Salas missed Penalty at end to.. crazy game. When I come visit again would love to watch in new Curva (before always in main stands). I presume you watch from this curva area? if we keep in contact on SSC, would be good to perhaps watch a game, with my teams real fans...

Good lord, im tired from all the crap on the London Olympic stadium thread. They cant seem to understand or agree that having a relatively small football team into this huge stadium (with a running track) with be a white elephant, like delle apli was...There's some real idiots on there! I even like Axelferis now compared to some of those idiots.. London people are....s*#ts..:lol:

Capacity of 41,254, that's alot. Will Juve be able to fill it?

Capacity of 41,254, that's alot. Will Juve be able to fill it?

Yes, but the attendance topic has been discussed tons before and is based on evidence. Juve average about 40-45K in previous stadium (which still felt empty) Will expand later when needed.

Good lord, im tired from all the crap on the London Olympic stadium thread. They cant seem to understand or agree that having a relatively small football team into this huge stadium (with a running track) with be a white elephant, like delle apli was...There's some real idiots on there! I even like Axelferis now compared to some of those idiots.. London people are....s*#ts..:lol:

Sort him our mods.

Good lord, im tired from all the crap on the London Olympic stadium thread. They cant seem to understand or agree that having a relatively small football team into this huge stadium (with a running track) with be a white elephant, like delle apli was...There's some real idiots on there! I even like Axelferis now compared to some of those idiots.. London people are....s*#ts..:lol:

Not content with only behaving like a tit on the London Olympic stadium thread?

You have to run here, squealing about how nasty and horrible Londoners are and act every bit as much like a tit on this thread?

Blimey.....you have issues!

Does even your mother love you?

Not content with only behaving like a tit on the London Olympic stadium thread?

You have to run here, squealing about how nasty and horrible Londoners are and act every bit as much like a tit on this thread?

Blimey.....you have issues!

Does even your mother love you?

Yes. Passion and with people who understand logic.

Sort him our mods.

I praise your comments on your thread!

Sort him our mods.

Why edit ur comment? Or did u decide it was not appropriate to call all italians that? I think u made a wise choice.

does anyone know when the vote for the star on this stadium (that is being taken from Boniek), will be re-voted on? Will it be cast on JuveMember.com?

Yes. Passion and with people who understand logic.

In order to be able to understand logic, you first have to be able to understand language.

And until you understand the proper meaning of the expression "white elephant" in English, you cannot begin to be logical in any discussion about whether a stadium is or isn't a white elephant.

Simples.

In order to be able to understand logic, you first have to be able to understand language.

And until you understand the proper meaning of the expression "white elephant" in English, you cannot begin to be logical in any discussion about whether a stadium is or isn't a white elephant.

Simples.

Not a debate that can be agreed on. And not on this thread... But back to London.. for that topic..:)

Yes, but the attendance topic has been discussed tons before and is based on evidence. Juve average about 40-45K in previous stadium (which still felt empty) Will expand later when needed.


Apologies my mistake, I hate it when people come into a thread and bring up old topics that have been gone over many, many times.

It's just if Juve pull in the same average crowds in the new ground as they did in the Delle Alpi:
2004–05 26,429
2005–06 30,469
Then a quarter of the stadium will be empty. I'd hate for this place to turn into a white elephant. The 2004-06 figures suggest that it might!

Apologies my mistake, I hate it when people come into a thread and bring up old topics that have been gone over many, many times.

It's just if Juve pull in the same average crowds in the new ground as they did in the Delle Alpi:
2004–05 26,429
2005–06 30,469
Then a quarter of the stadium will be empty. I'd hate for this place to turn into a white elephant. The 2004-06 figures suggest that it might!
Not a good reference. just 2 yrs? and not understanding why?

average attendance at "Delle Alpi":
juventus.

1990–91 43,114
1991–92 51,832
1992–93 45,868
1993–94 44,520
1994–95 47,866
1995–96 41,946
1996–97 39,271
1997–98 47,347
1998–99 47,164
1999–00 42,229
2000–01 41,273
2001–02 40,687
2002–03 39,771
2003–04 34,365
2004–05 26,429

Average is 42245.47. But in stadium of 69,000 considered white elephant. BUT Juve Have learnt from ACTUAL history...
So 41,00 for now is good and will be filled! The trend of attendance was not good before, fans tired of the poor view etc. Juve want a full stadium and this size and the fact that the fans will be closer to the goals / sidelines than man C, Emirates and nearly any other new ground, all creates what fans want vs stadium miles away from the players, which was what Juve had... U can see now with real data and facts, why any appraoch to have a running track and huge arena is sooo wrong..

Apologies my mistake, I hate it when people come into a thread and bring up old topics that have been gone over many, many times.

It's just if Juve pull in the same average crowds in the new ground as they did in the Delle Alpi:
2004–05 26,429
2005–06 30,469
Then a quarter of the stadium will be empty. I'd hate for this place to turn into a white elephant. The 2004-06 figures suggest that it might!

You must be joking right?
Having some empty seats in stadium does not make the stadium a white elephant.
That would mean that a very large number of stadiums in europe (all stadiums in Italy ;)) are white elephants :lol:
Get your facts right ;)

New stadium means more attendance...trust me, you'll see.

New stadium means more attendance...trust me, you'll see.

Be harder to get a ticket. Give it 1 yr, 2 max and Juve will already be considering some expansion. There will be critics out there then complaining about why Juve didnt build bigger from the start!:cheers:

Is it possible to expand?
2nd tier is quite steap.

Considering the nature of the roof i would say yes. We will see.

Would be great. Like Delle Alpi 3 tiers, Cap. would be around 65,000.

Would be great. Like Delle Alpi 3 tiers, Cap. would be around 65,000.

I'd be amazed if that wasnt part of the design requirements... I think Fab is right. This is a calculated guess, but i think the angle of the two A frame supports serves 2 purposes. It counter balances the roof, so that the frames are actually almost in equilibrium (minimal stress in both directions) and that being about the angle it is (about 75 degrees?) and it is set slightly back it allows either a 3rd tier to span upwards and out or extend (Small) the 2nd tier. But i think a small 3rd tier more likely because I believe the angle of a third tier wud need to be even steeper than the 2nd, because there is not that much clearance from the 2 A Frames... OR think this. The A frames distance from the current design roof wudnt matter IF the plan was to cut away the ends of a good size 3rd tier just like the Delle Alpi.. The middle height of the A frames wud then look like they run inside the stadium profile from the side view... So i think their are 3 options that can be done..:)

Considering the nature of the roof i would say yes. We will see.

yes, i totally agree...
they "just" have to pull the strings, to lift up the main roof-structure in the centre...
the semi-structure (roof cladding itself) could be replaced with longer elements, reaching the next tier.

and it wouldn't disturb the look. bernabeus roof is also lifted up, to add new tier(s).

the capacity is enough for Juve ! when I was there following the CL match Juve-Bayern
only around 15.000 !! people joined the game ! I mean it was BAYERN playing, the
undoubtable best team in the world !!

the capacity is enough for Juve ! when I was there following the CL match Juve-Bayern
only around 15.000 !! people joined the game ! I mean it was BAYERN playing, the
undoubtable best team in the world !!

Yes but in old stadium or the olympic. Either way, not comparable to the new stadium and the attendance that will come. Yes enough to start with, but watch for future... :)

yes it was stadio delle alpi !

IMO anyone who thinks that a club the size of Juventus could never aspire to attendances upwards of 60-70,000 under any circumstances are off their heads. While not my favourite Italian side, they are, regardless of anything, a massive massive club, and given the right combnation of factors, draw huge crowds.

Reading some of the above suggestions RE facilitating a capacity increase in years to come, the idea of cut away sections behind the goals to mirror the old Delli Alpi sounds brilliant, and I would hope they do that if in 5 / 10 / 15 years they feel the need to expand.

IMO anyone who thinks that a club the size of Juventus could never aspire to attendances upwards of 60-70,000 under any circumstances are off their heads. While not my favourite Italian side, they are, regardless of anything, a massive massive club, and given the right combnation of factors, draw huge crowds.

Reading some of the above suggestions RE facilitating a capacity increase in years to come, the idea of cut away sections behind the goals to mirror the old Delli Alpi sounds brilliant, and I would hope they do that if in 5 / 10 / 15 years they feel the need to expand.

Ur a legend for appreciating my vision...:rock: And u obviously (fan or not) have intelligence to appreciate the reality of the clubs value... Respect man!:)

I'd be amazed if that wasnt part of the design requirements... I think Fab is right. This is a calculated guess, but i think the angle of the two A frame supports serves 2 purposes. It counter balances the roof, so that the frames are actually almost in equilibrium (minimal stress in both directions) and that being about the angle it is (about 75 degrees?) and it is set slightly back it allows either a 3rd tier to span upwards and out or extend (Small) the 2nd tier. But i think a small 3rd tier more likely because I believe the angle of a third tier wud need to be even steeper than the 2nd, because there is not that much clearance from the 2 A Frames... OR think this. The A frames distance from the current design roof wudnt matter IF the plan was to cut away the ends of a good size 3rd tier just like the Delle Alpi.. The middle height of the A frames wud then look like they run inside the stadium profile from the side view... So i think their are 3 options that can be done..:)
1st tier is ~ 25,7°
2nd tier ~ 34,7°


As far as i know max. is nowadays 35,5° (19cm steps) or 36,9° (20cm steps).

So a 3rd could not be possible. Extension of the 2nd tier is more possible.
We have the same prob @ TTA :(


Of course ^^^ its for the current standard of 80cm (depth) rows.

You can make tier steeper like Valencia or Bernabeu (45°) with smaller rows (60 or 70cm).

1st tier is ~ 25,7°
2nd tier ~ 34,7°


As far as i know max. is nowadays 35,5° (19cm steps) or 36,9° (20cm steps).

So a 3rd could not be possible. Extension of the 2nd tier is more possible.
We have the same prob @ TTA :(


Of course ^^^ its for the current standard of 80cm (depth) rows.

You can make tier steeper like Valencia or Bernabeu (45°) with smaller rows (60 or 70cm).
I like that u provide data to support ur view. :) Im still believe either cud be possible, depending on the increase desired. The A frames are currently what seems like the determining factor, how big the increase and how far can u get OUTWARD to those posts? The angle is key to that answer. Thats why I say that can be gotten around all together, it they cut out the ends to eliminate that issue. But its all guess work for now, but interesting stuff..:cheers:
Whats the angle of the external structure from outside? ie where the render hangs? that might be better gauge? Anyone got actual drawings? We then cud estimate potential increase if no cut outs were made to roof..

A) 2nd tier expansion. New upper part has got an angle of 36,9°
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4773/juve2ndtierexpansion.jpg

B) New 3rd. Again 36,9°. But IMO bad sideline.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/417/juve3rdtier369.jpg

C) New 3rd tier. Very good sideline, but 45°. Not possible if you have a row depth of 80cm
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9914/juve3rdtier45.jpg

According to the new UEFA EURO 2016 stadium criteria the C value has to be at least C90. IMO @ A) and B) it looks like its lower.

@ C) it would be possible, but we have the problem at the row depth.


We have the same problem at TT Arena. Our stadiums (TT Arena and Juventis Arena) are too steep :D

Hello everyone.
Do you think the stadium will be expandable in the future?

We hope it will be :)

1st tier is ~ 25,7°
2nd tier ~ 34,7°

So, what is the slope of your new stadium in Istanbul? In my opinion, first tier is steeper than JuveArena :dunno:

I've got the exact numbers from TTA.
@ Juve Arena just the section plan and sketchup.



@ Türk Telekom Arena
1st Tier: 23,955°
1st row: 19,926
Last row (34th): 27,248°

2nd Tier: 35,1°
1st row: 34,606°
Last row (26th): 35,47°

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9307/stadio5001.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/stadio5001.jpg/)

Watching the differences between rendering and real time, I think the terraces are higher and steeper in the right. Looking better!
It's more "for Juventus" :)

A) 2nd tier expansion. New upper part has got an angle of 36,9°
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4773/juve2ndtierexpansion.jpg

B) New 3rd. Again 36,9°. But IMO bad sideline.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/417/juve3rdtier369.jpg

C) New 3rd tier. Very good sideline, but 45°. Not possible if you have a row depth of 80cm
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9914/juve3rdtier45.jpg

According to the new UEFA EURO 2016 stadium criteria the C value has to be at least C90. IMO @ A) and B) it looks like its lower.

@ C) it would be possible, but we have the problem at the row depth.


We have the same problem at TT Arena. Our stadiums (TT Arena and Juventis Arena) are too steep :D

option C would be my choice. Heres why..
Cleanest side line
Least amount of external structure requirements.
Least perpendicular force on current structure
Fans remain closer to pitch
Only option that would NOT physically span pout over A frames (although as i say before, easy to avoid with cuts like delle alpi)
Perhaps only 2/3 rd of the size Curva draw up may be needed? As the circumferential diameter of any stadium grows (it is easier to grow capacity with less rows of seats) and keep seat spacing the same...

It is difficult to know for sure, but without actual plans etc, I think we can reasonibly asume that it wouldnt be too difficult to expand / engineers make plan given the specification requirements. But being from enginnering background would suggest, smaller 3rd tier makes sense from cost standpoint and would result in capacity of 55,000 - 60-000.:)

If we look just at the C value and 80cm row i think a lil version of A could be possible.
Cap. would be maybe around 50,000-55,000


Love the Juve logo at the roof. Reminds me of Ali Sami Yen Stadi. Hope we will have the same at TTA

If we look just at the C value and 80cm row i think a lil version of A could be possible.
Cap. would be maybe around 50,000-55,000


Love the Juve logo at the roof. Reminds me of Ali Sami Yen Stadi. Hope we will have the same at TTA

Explain what u mean by the C value. Thx.

Maybe this will help :)
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mgv2c0.png
http://i25.tinypic.com/302we44.png

According to the new UEFA EURO 2016 criteria th C value has to be at least C90 (=90mm = 9cm)

Old one was min. C60. Thats also the reason why they elevate the pitch @@ TTA (20cm)

I've got the exact numbers from TTA.
@ Juve Arena just the section plan and sketchup.



@ Türk Telekom Arena
1st Tier: 23,955°
1st row: 19,926
Last row (34th): 27,248°

2nd Tier: 35,1°
1st row: 34,606°
Last row (26th): 35,47°
juventus arena

27-28° 1st tier -1st part
30-32° 1st tier - 2nd part
37-38° 2nd tier

According to the new UEFA EURO 2016 criteria th C value has to be at least C90 (=90mm = 9cm)


where can i find them?

i have only the 'old' Football StadiumsTechnical recommendations and requirements by FIFA(2007)

Maybe this will help :)
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mgv2c0.png
http://i25.tinypic.com/302we44.png

According to the new UEFA EURO 2016 criteria th C value has to be at least C90 (=90mm = 9cm)

Old one was min. C60. Thats also the reason why they elevate the pitch @@ TTA (20cm)

Ok thx. Now i understand. Without calculating (and not knowing what part of the pitch C is calculated from, i.e goal or center etc) not only is depth important, but the height of the row is more critical with the dimensions of a stadium (overall basic size of structure) basic geometry... This is why a steeper 3rd tier would be easier to expand, given the physical constraints IMO.

Ok thx. Now i understand. Without calculating (and not knowing what part of the pitch C is calculated from, i.e goal or center etc) not only is depth important, but the height of the row is more critical with the dimensions of a stadium (overall basic size of structure) basic geometry... This is why a steeper 3rd tier would be easier to expand, given the physical constraints IMO.

Looks like calculated from goal line from 2nd drawing..

where can i find them?

i have only the 'old' Football StadiumsTechnical recommendations and requirements by FIFA(2007)

A small part is here at page 69
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefa/Others/84/03/26/840326_DOWNLOAD.pdf

A small part is here at page 69
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefa/Others/84/03/26/840326_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Interesting. Though i must point out that is says " Uefa encourages adopting a policy" that promote C value of .... etc

Does not say it must..

Interesting. Though i must point out that is says " Uefa encourages adopting a policy" that promote C value of .... etc

Does not say it must..

Just would not count into Net capacity requirements from UEFA.

Actually Turkey bidded for EURO 2016 and the UEFA said
"2nd tier is not C90. You have 2 options. Make it C90 or the netc will sink to 35-40k"

Actually Turkey bidded for EURO 2016 and the UEFA said
"2nd tier is not C90. You have 2 options. Make it C90 or the netc will sink to 35-40k"

I understand this, because obviously some parts are the seating didnt comply and those that did was 35-40K. The rule only says that stadiums should encourage a policy for all seats C90, but does not demand. BUT those sedeats that are not, are deducted to attain a net C90 compliant number... So better to build with that in mind. Be interesting to see what other large historic stadiums are (net C). Like Bernabau. who most recently hosted CL final... I am gussing that countries building new stadia (for euro competitions) are being more strictly governed by uefa, vs old historic stadia (RM, ManU, San Siro, Nou Camp etc) just a guess....

That as the problem :)
TTA was designed in 2007 with the old criteria.
During Construction (Oct 2009) UEFA publishd this new one.
IMO its also the reason why at many new stadiums the distance to the pitch is "large" and the 1st tier not so steep.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4357/image00055j.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1434/image00056m.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2963/image00057w.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4673/image00058c.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5606/image00059x.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1453/image00060s.jpg

That as the problem :)
TTA was designed in 2007 with the old criteria.
During Construction (Oct 2009) UEFA publishd this new one.
IMO its also the reason why at many new stadiums the distance to the pitch is "large" and the 1st tier not so steep.

That sucks! It's like changing the goal posts...... Its almost as if Uefa should approve design and build commencement dates (with gaurantees that) it will not penalise a stadium in the future (or for xx amount of yrs anyway) if they change the specs of stadia... I'd insist that they approve it and build timeframe... Hold them to account! They are controlling the game more, so make them accountable!

Actually you need this UEFA or FIFA thing just for EURO or FIFA WC.

For example Besiktas JK wants to built a new stadium and the new BJK stadium (42,000) will not be a EURO 20xy stadium, because TFF will use TTA and Olimpiyat or Sükrü Saracoglu.

So @ BJK stadium project the 2nd tier do not have a c value of 90.

Actually you need this UEFA or FIFA thing just for EURO or FIFA WC.

For example Besiktas JK wants to built a new stadium and the new BJK stadium (42,000) will not be a EURO 20xy stadium, because TFF will use TTA and Olimpiyat or Sükrü Saracoglu.

So @ BJK stadium project the 2nd tier do not have a c value of 90.

Yeh thats all clear! Get it, but the thing still is as i say and what i wud do, but may as well build any new stadia to this requirement! Not to restrict then, unless costs are sooo tight that it matters not to comply!

Coold pics.. stadium is now coming to life!

News from the interior.

First Tier East completed (beautiful)
Connection first Tier between East and South completed (beautiful)
First Tier South almost completed (great)
Connection first Tier between South and West in progress...

Actually we don't know anything about the first tier of new "Curva Nord", but I think it's under construction :)

Thanks to Delsa for the leaks! :banana:

update by Ravanellidiciamo

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4656/30122010150.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2062/30122010149p.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/768/30122010148.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8846/30122010144.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5518/30122010141.jpg

From Italian thread ;)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4012/panoramica.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/panoramica.jpg/)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1986/dsc03610t.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/dsc03610t.jpg/)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/427/dsc03613f.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/dsc03613f.jpg/)

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/1875/dsc03614j.jpg (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/dsc03614j.jpg/)

Is it me or does the inside radius of the roof (inner profile) look rounder than the previous plans? It appears to have quite a significant radius (2nd from last photo). It roof sections look like aeroplane wing profiles...:)

ho it's almost finished!
When due the first match is?

ho it's almost finished!
When due the first match is?

Summer 2011

i remember when they were planning the new stadium and now...you have a damn fast workers there in italy.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6118/image00062e.jpg

i remember when they were planning the new stadium and now...you have a damn fast workers there in italy.


yes the works were quick but the stadium with all respect is not a hard hard project to realize.

St ptersbourg , wembley, durban for example are more sophisticated when come to reality imo.

^^ Let's work, more and more! It wraps around a divine spirit! (cit.) :cheers:

^^ Let's work, more and more! It wraps around a divine spirit! (cit.) :cheers:

Indeed it does my friend!

yes the works were quick but the stadium with all respect is not a hard hard project to realize.

St ptersbourg , wembley, durban for example are more sophisticated when come to reality imo.

Not as hard as some, i agree.. but that not the purpose... remember we talk on this already....

Think of the project & club like this... Sleeping giants sometimes take time to awake, but when awoken, stands up very quick, to dominate all...m))

all great if it were not for those particular shameful

all great if it were not for those particular shameful

As with anyone who knows what they are actually talking about.. nothing to be shameful about, but nice to see u appreciate the project..:lol:

As with anyone who knows what they are actually talking about.. nothing to be shameful about, but nice to see u appreciate the project..:lol:

Is not that a project have to be beautiful or ugly.
Can be a great project with large or small defects.

And internal cables are a disgrace

Is not that a project have to be beautiful or ugly.
Can be a great project with large or small defects.

And internal cables are a disgrace

I like them because they do not normally appear on stadium designs these days... And it keeps the old feel of the previous stadium. So they have been done like this for the architecture, not only for function.. Its a question of taste, some will like, some not. It wud only be disgrace if it was done because of a cheap budget, but not the case... At least it will be recognisible to easily know its Juve vs most other stadia that look alike these days...

when i first looked at Wembly arch, i thought it was ugly, un-semetrical and pointless, but now i can seem, its more of a sybol and unique feature...

about the seats, someone knowledgeable can 'confirm that will be positioned to draw the outlines of Scirea and Platini, and not an alternative, as someone said on other forums?

Is not that a project have to be beautiful or ugly.
Can be a great project with large or small defects.

And internal cables are a disgrace

I agree with you. This stadium is nothing of particular than other stadia around the Europe.

Go to see the section "Under costruction" and this is a mild project.

about the seats, someone knowledgeable can 'confirm that will be positioned to draw the outlines of Scirea and Platini, and not an alternative, as someone said on other forums?

That is he plan as i know to date, both players stated... yes..

I agree with you. This stadium is nothing of particular than other stadia around the Europe.

Go to see the section "Under costruction" and this is a mild project.

It is in Italy (nothing to compete with it).... equal to many new stadiums in europe, and capacity is not a gauge of how good it is ( in case anyone wants to argue that old point again & again etc)..

I agree with you. This stadium is nothing of particular than other stadia around the Europe.

Go to see the section "Under costruction" and this is a mild project.

vai ad appiano gentile a festeggiare l'interista leonardo...

vai ad appiano gentile a festeggiare l'interista leonardo...

he was talking about the project and not leonardo coming to inter...

he was talking about the project and not leonardo coming to inter...

i see you are always well informed about inter...go with him

Old pics, but really awesome :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=69872941&postcount=1301


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Sercan of course likes how much steep will be the terraces! ;)

Sercan of course likes how much steep will be the terraces! ;)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/19/confrontopendenze.jpg

how this chart doesn't include lille :lol:

How steep (in degree) is your first tier in Lille? delsa could of course include your stadium, I don't think it's a problem.

but Allianz Arena is a three tier stadium...therefore the first tier can't be so steep right?

So this Arena will have terracing?

but Allianz Arena is a three tier stadium...therefore the first tier can't be so steep right?

So this Arena will have terracing?

no terracing, simply have only 41.000 seats

bigger is the stadium and less is the steep of the first tier


to expande the stadium it need a overlapping tier like stamford bridge

How steep (in degree) is your first tier in Lille? delsa could of course include your stadium, I don't think it's a problem.

i can't because i dont like lille and his stadium

but Allianz Arena is a three tier stadium...therefore the first tier can't be so steep right?

So this Arena will have terracing?

not true. the angle does not dictate how many tiers a stadium can have, but it does significantly effect the other tiers angle. (ie a 2nd must be equal or steeper).... and a 3rd tier the same logic that applies to the the 2nd.. 3rd must be equal or steeper than the 2nd...

If not applied like this the viewing angle would be very odd / poor..

Steeper tiers allow larger capacity to remain closer to the pitch.. Good way to try keep fans close... For a real good lesson (in another sport), look at some NBA arenas to get the idea... 20,000 fans watching such a small court needs this logic...

what is impressing in a stadium is not the steepness but the height of the roof!

Juvearena 1st tier is very steep and contains less places than emirates,allianz,istanbul, lille...

The more your stadium stands are steep in general the less it contains :D (except barca and real)

the 3rd tier of allianz arena is indeep much steeper than the 1st and the 2nd !

the 3rd tier of allianz arena is indeep much steeper than the 1st and the 2nd !

logical! it's the same everywhere! the farest the steepest...

what is impressing in a stadium is not the steepness but the height of the roof!

Juvearena 1st tier is very steep and contains less places than emirates,allianz,istanbul, lille...

The more your stadium stands are steep in general the less it contains :D (except barca and real)

Not always so, Barca has no roof, but is not impressive? No?..The old stadiums you quote have steep final tiers..Barca lowered the pitch and put more seats in at a later date. Juve cannot do this later, because the fans are so close to the pitch from start.:) So steep 1st tier is part of the plan to keep a "closeness". The height of a roof depends on whether inside or outside a stadium. This site (delle alpi or now), football has always been played below ground level, so not high from outside... if you look at the angle of tiers and the distance to the goal from fan 7.35M.. it will be the most intimate stadium built for a super team...:)

what is impressing in a stadium is not the steepness but the height of the roof!

Juvearena 1st tier is very steep and contains less places than emirates,allianz,istanbul, lille...

The more your stadium stands are steep in general the less it contains :D (except barca and real)

yes. you loose circumferential diameter, so less seats, but closer.. height then becomes the key the capacity, not just outward gain.

http://nsa26.casimages.com/img/2011/01/04//110104105213240597.jpg

I can't beleve that Juve will make such a small stadium.One of the top italian teams...

I can't beleve that Juve will make such a small stadium.One of the top italian teams...
it's not one of the top italian teams, please


it's the top of italian teams


thanks

it's not one of the top italian teams, please


it's the top of italian teams


thanks

?? are you sure? Do you deny your ambitions? :D

?? are you sure? Do you deny your ambitions? :D

are you back to troll us again Axel?:lol:

i don't troll but it's the first time i read this: juve not a great? stadium is not a top?

i don't troll but it's the first time i read this: juve not a great? stadium is not a top?

i think you have some trouble understanding what other people say or write

it's not one of the top italian teams, please


it's the top of italian teams


thanks

I miss something?

it's not one of the top italian teams, please


it's the top of italian teams


thanks

The question is, Juve or Milan? Juve is better in serie A, but Milan has a lot of european trophies.

Anyway, this stadium is getting nicer day by day. Can't wait to see it finished.

Today Juve lose :(
But these are new pics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYbqAv2eyI

The question is, Juve or Milan? Juve is better in serie A, but Milan has a lot of european trophies.

Anyway, this stadium is getting nicer day by day. Can't wait to see it finished.

At least you speak truth... Yes..

Today Juve lose :(
But these are new pics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYbqAv2eyI

Nice work... any new picture of inside? 1st tier progress?

Nice work... any new picture of inside? 1st tier progress?
The stadium inside looks like an AREA 51: it's impossible to enter :ohno:

Finally a nice and modern stadium in the Serie A. Juve prepares for the new century, congratulations!

Regarding the size, I think its perfect. So close to the pitch, sold out every match, full of fanatics. This will be a hell.

sold out every match, full of fanatics. This will be a hell.

interesting point there! do they fill it in a gentrification way like it is the case in england because it's so uncomfortable to see juve matches with all those racist songs against mario balotelli each time :ohno:

I hope to see educated people like in a modern stadium! what info do you have concerning this?

interesting point there! do they fill it in a gentrification way like it is the case in england because it's so uncomfortable to see juve matches with all those racist songs against mario balotelli each time :ohno:

I hope to see educated people like in a modern stadium! what info do you have concerning this?
It's not racism, we usually sing against him simply because Balotelli is a galling and unfair player. And because of rivalry with Inter.
Of course not for the colour of the skin...I remember you Sissoko is an idol for the fans of Juventus, for example :)

interesting point there! do they fill it in a gentrification way like it is the case in england because it's so uncomfortable to see juve matches with all those racist songs against mario balotelli each time :ohno:

I hope to see educated people like in a modern stadium! what info do you have concerning this?
I dont get your opinion.

You want educated people AND racists in the stadium?

My opinion about the effect of the new stadium:
- sold out
- great atmossphere (sold out, italian mentality plus near to the field)
- high income through sponsorships (especially as it is the only modern stadium)
- no riots or clashes (leading to attract poeple with high income and sponsors)
- player can be contracted to lower prices than in other italian club as a serious and professional surrounding is very important to them

If the other clubs dont keep up to this, Juve will develop very fast.