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Where will play Torino? I imagine that this stadium will be only for Juve.
Which will be the capacity?

The capacity will be 41,000...rather small for a team like Juve, if you ask me....should be at least 50,000.....

Torino will move to their old home ground, the Stadio Comunale Filadelfia.....which will be reconstructed for the Olympics 2006.....called the Stadio Grande Torino will capacity of 28,000.....33,000 during the Olympics...

The main reason to remodelate delle alpi is because the stadium is always empty, so I think that 41.000 is enough capacity.

Where could I find information about new comunale?

So the roof's already finished?

BTW, numerous pics of the stadium can be found right here (http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionlisten/Stadionlisten_Italien/Turin/Turin.html) .

new Stadium of Torino

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Name: Nuovo Comunale (Stadio Grande Torino)
Scheduled inauguration: December 2004
Club: AC Torino
Capacity: 28,000 seats
Costs: €25-30 mln.

http://www.stadiumguide.com

NEW "STADIO DELLE ALPI"
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Juventus will also build outside the stadium. Juventus plan to build a hotel, a shopping centre, a Juve store, a Juventus museum, a cinema, a bowling hall, restaurants and new offices for the club. The work will start in May 2005 and end in September 2007. Juventus will continue to play in the stadium during the construction, but the capacity may for some games be reduced to 25 000 seats during the construction period. Torino Football Club will build a "new" stadium at the ground of the old Stadio Comunale. The work will start this September. Their stadium will have a capacity of 28 000 seats and be ready at the end of 2005. Torino will play at the Delle Alpi stadium until their own stadium is finished.

Juventus consider to build a glass roof over the new Delle Alpi stadium. Juventus will bring the seats within 10 to 15 metres from the field. Currently the closest a spectator can get is 23-40 metres.The other seating area will become conference rooms for use during the week for conventions or work related gatherings.

Juventus hope to rise their profit from the stadium, which currently is far below the clubs from Milan and Rome. Juventus currently profit between 10 Million and 15 Million Euro from the stadium. The new stadium will have a square design, and not a oval design like the current Delle Alpi stadium. The solution of reducing the capacity to only 41 000 has created many protests among the Juventus fans and it is therefore most likely that the capacity will be higher. Juventus also hope that the shops and entertainment features that will be build around the stadium will bring the fans to spend more time in the stadium area. Juventus hope to start building in May 2005.



NEW "STADIO COMUNALE"
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More information:
http://www.stadiumguide.com/nuovocomunale.htm

and:
http://www.oct.torino.it/architetti/

Why don't they get rid of the tracks in the Stadio Comunale too? Better view for spectators....

The athletics track will be used for the ceremony of opening of the Olympic Games.
Therefore they could not remove it as they will make to "Delle Alpi".
During the Olympic Games the stadium will have a capacity of 35.000 seats , after the games, Ac Turin will make some modifications, reducing the seats to 28.000. :)

Are AC Torino removing the tracks after the Olympics, when they have the Stadium to themselves and make it smaller?

I hate how Italian stadias have running tracks....reduces the visibility and atmosphere....:( And most stadias in Italy are old, I think the teams should build new stadiums...

Are AC Torino removing the tracks after the Olympics, when they have the Stadium to themselves and make it smaller?

I hate how Italian stadias have running tracks....reduces the visibility and atmosphere....:( And most stadias in Italy are old, I think the teams should build new stadiums...


I don't think that AC Torino removing the tracks after the Olympics.

You can be consoled with the new stage of the Juventus! Do you like it?

You can be consoled with the new stage of the Juventus! Do you like it?


Nope.

They should've dug up the track and brought the old Delle Alpi closer to the pitch(like Manchester's Commonwealth stadium) rather than building the new stadium on this within the old structure.


Would've looked amazing.

But the new JuveStadium still looks good.....

Nope.

They should've dug up the track and brought the old Delle Alpi closer to the pitch(like Manchester's Commonwealth stadium) rather than building the new stadium on this within the old structure.


Would've looked amazing.
Agree!
And it would become a huge stadium! 90000?

What's Juventus' average home attendance for their serie A games?

Agree!
And it would become a huge stadium! 90000?

What's Juventus' average home attendance for their serie A games?

Very low for a big European Club.....declining year by year, in 2004, the average was something like 34,500....:( comparing to Milan, which has over 60,000

Juventus' average home attendance for their serie A games:
1990-1991 43.114
1991-1992 51.832
1992-1993 45.868
1993-1994 44.520
1994-1995 47.866
1995-1996 41.946
1996-1997 39.271
1997-1998 47.347
1998-1999 47.164
1999-2000 42.229
2000-2001 41.273
2001-2002 40.687
2002-2003 39.771
2003-2004 34.365

91-92 was the highest they ever got.....51,000! :)

New Juventus stadium is look very nice and the most important this is typically soccer stadium. The tribunes present "stadio delle alpi" for far pushed away from plate of field and therefore mute such soccer atmosphere.

J LOVE JUVENTUS AND LEGIA WARSAW :cheers1: :dance:

During the Olympic Games the stadium "Comunale" will have a capacity of 35.000 seats, not 33.000!

Again, is the roof finished or will they do some additional work on it as well?

The pictures would suggest that the roof is going to be extended so that its in line with the pitch and covers all the seats.

New pics of the "Stadio Comunale"

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Great pics!

What was the original capacity of the Comunale? 44,000?

What was the original capacity of the Comunale? 44,000?


The capacity of the Comunale?

49.890!!

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I heard Juventus only sold 21,000 season tickets this season......down from 28,000 last season......why is that so....how come Juve fans don't appreciate the team.....
Do the people in Turin usually support Torino?

"therock" do you have a season ticket?

I heard Juventus only sold 21,000 season tickets this season......down from 28,000 last season......why is that so....how come Juve fans don't appreciate the team.....
Do the people in Turin usually support Torino?

"therock" do you have a season ticket?


I do not know truly what to answer to this question, but however there is still time in order to recover.
In Turin the Juventus fans are more numerous who the Toro fans (10.000 season ticket).

Yeah, i have i season ticket in " curva nord"!!!!! :)

Lucky you..... I will one day get a season ticket in one of the Curvas, if I spend a year in Italy....

Lucky you..... I will one day get a season ticket in one of the Curvas, if I spend a year in Italy....

:)

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Forza Torino !!! (come citta' ; ) )

Wonderful Pix!!!

Forza Torino !!! (come citta' ; ) )


E sarà meglio..................scherzo :) !!!

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18,089 at Juventus last night for the first ever fixture against Bayern Munich, and someone thought that 41,000 for the new ground was too small for this club. Don't really understand the situation regarding crowds in Turin but my club got higher crowds than this in the English 4th division.

Juve sometimes gets crowds of 60-70.000 ;
what are the highest crowds of your English 4th Division Club???

Juve sometimes gets crowds of 60-70.000 ;
what are the highest crowds of your English 4th Division Club???

He's probably referring to Hull City, which had an average attendance of 16,847 and a highest attendance of 23,495 last season.

All 92 clubs in the English leagues would probably get a sell out crowd for a competitive game against Bayern Munich. In fact I suspect that the vast majority of them would get a sell out crowd for a friendly against Bayern Munich.

my team newcastle united, averages over 50,000 per game

Juve sometimes gets crowds of 60-70.000 ;
what are the highest crowds of your English 4th Division Club???

My original comment was not supposed to start a slanging match. I am merely interested why Juventus has such poor attendance figures, and why they seem to be getting worse and worse despite the performance of the team. Average in Serie A this year is 26211 with Juventus top of the division.

I also wasn't saying my teams attendances were better than Juve's, they aren't. But Juve's are poor compared to much "smaller" clubs across Italy and Europe. I am merely interested why ..... anyone know any clubs in a similar situation?

and since you asked .....

You are right when you say Juventus "sometimes" get crowds of 60-70000, but it hasn't happened once in Serie A since 2001/2.

In which case Hull city "sometimes" get crowds of 50-60000 like they did vs Manchester United on 26/02/1949 when 55019 poeple watched the game at Boothferry park. ;)

He's probably referring to Hull City, which had an average attendance of 16,847 and a highest attendance of 23,495 last season.

All 92 clubs in the English leagues would probably get a sell out crowd for a competitive game against Bayern Munich. In fact I suspect that the vast majority of them would get a sell out crowd for a friendly against Bayern Munich.


Surprisingly enough, in terms of total crowds, Both the Premiership (13.5M) and The Championship (8.8M) (the division formerly known as Division One and perviously known as Division Two) got higher crowds than Serie A last season.

Turin is always an "hard" city about sport audience/attendances, even if we talk about soccer, basketball, volley or ice-hockey.

Surprisingly enough, in terms of total crowds, Both the Premiership (13.5M) and The Championship (8.8M) (the division formerly known as Division One and perviously known as Division Two) got higher crowds than Serie A last season.

but why is this surprising?
I have never understood this idea that crowds are big in Italy or southern europe in general. They are not.
English and german crowds are much higher and kept down by restricted capacities.

Italy need to look at their poor facilities and hooligan problems. It doesnt seem to be taken seriously.
The promotion of a few clubs with good crowds hides the fact that most clubs seem to continue to lose crowds making one wonder if the second level of english football will overtake Italy´s top league for crowds in the near future.

Juventus is particularly remarkable. just 18,000 against Bayern is simply astonishing.
Hopefully things will improve with the new stadium which looks great

In which case Hull city "sometimes" get crowds of 50-60000 like they did vs Manchester United on 26/02/1949 when 55019 poeple watched the game at Boothferry park. ;)


Really??

They only came to see United......

;)

have you considerd that people in Italy can have something better to do than go to the stadium?

anyway, the 3 cities with high average for all the matches are Milano, Napoli and Roma.
normally Inter, Milan, Napoli and Roma have an average higher than 55.000 people for all the Serie A. (all 3 are cities with population between 3.500.000 to 7.500.000)
Milan and Inter normally have 10/12 matches every year with more than 80.000 people (League+Cups).
Napoli, that today is in the Serie C1 (our third division) had 70.000 people at San Paolo stadium las week! third division!!!!

Torino is not a stadium-friendly city.
the Delle Apli stadium is one of the worst in Europe to see a football match.
(for that reason it will be rebuilt next year), is not well linked by bus or tram with the rest of the city (it's in the suburbs), and there is not subway in Turin.

in the last years also the southern Italian city (Palermo, Catania, Lecce...) have high average, with more than 40.000 people per match.

but is sure...we haven't high average as in England or Scotland.
for more reasons:
in the last years only Milan, Inter, Lazio, Juve and Roma were in Serie A.
other great teams of the big cities were in Serie B or C1:
Fiorentina, Palermo, Catania, Cagliari, Venezia, Genova, Sampdoria, Triestina, Taranto, Pescara, Hellas Verona, Padova, Bari, Salernitana...all that teams are located in cities with a populatione between 300.000 tO 1.200.000 people...and all are in Serie B or C1, or C2!
we have in Serie A the Chievo that have 6.000 people!
Atalanta Bergamo 110.000 people!
Brescia 190.000, Reggina 180.000, Siena, 50.000, Lecce 83.000....

We have other sports as Basketball, Volley, Ice Hockey that have good average.
and don't forget that from April to October a grat number of the people of the big cities of all Italy do weekends away from home, on the lake, on the sea, on the mountains.
the same during the winter season for north Italy, here ski is very diffused and holiday houses are very common on the Alps. (i go the most part of the winter w.e. on the Alps to skiing!)
in North Italy, except few people we haven't a Love Supreme for a Football Team!
personally i'm a Inter fan, but i went at stadium only 1 or 2 times each years, to watch only good matches as Inter-Milan or Inter-Juve or some good matche of Champions Cup (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax, Porto...).
and if the team did a bad season...i don't go to stadium to watch boring matches!!

for the most part of Italians football is only a sport...not a religion, and the stadium is not a Church!

but why is this surprising?
I have never understood this idea that crowds are big in Italy or southern europe in general. They are not.
English and german crowds are much higher and kept down by restricted capacities.

Italy need to look at their poor facilities and hooligan problems. It doesnt seem to be taken seriously.
The promotion of a few clubs with good crowds hides the fact that most clubs seem to continue to lose crowds making one wonder if the second level of english football will overtake Italy´s top league for crowds in the near future.


It's surprising because there are a number of Italian teams (and Juventus are definately one) that really warrent better support.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Some interesting information in his site.

have you considerd that people in Italy can have something better to do than go to the stadium? ......................



Cheers for the response, glad someone took the time to explain things, I think on the whole Italy's crowds are pretty good but it was nice that someone in the know, took the time to explain the Juve discrepancy. Looks like they may well finally get the crowds they deserve when they move to the new ground.


Can anyone tell me anything about the location of the new ground, i'm a big fan of inner-city venues which i think is much more preferable than the recent trend for out of town placements.

ops.

the next Juve stadium will be in the exactly same place.
the Delle Alpi wil be partial destroyed, then rebuilt, with facilities, the footbal ground in North-south direction (today is West-East), no atlethic field. around the stadium will be built the Juve City, with Hotels, restaurants, Museum...
i think that the work will be long 1 year and half, and Juve will paly in the old Comunale Stadium near to the city centre (today is the training field of the team and is under renovation for the olympic games of 2006 for the Ceremonies).
in Torino there's also a third stadium, the oldest one: the Filadelfia.
it was for many decades the home of the Torino F.C. where they won 7 Italian Championship.
the true name of that stadium is Campo Torino, but all called it Filadelfia (is the adress).
it was built in the 1926 by the owner of Torino F.C., Enrico Cinzano, and the Torino F.C. played in from 1926 to 1963.
official capacity - 15.000
unofficial capacity - more than 40.000
from the 1963 to the beginnings of the 80's the Filadelfia was the training field of Torino F.C., then was compleltely abandoned and the mosta parte of the structure collapsed himself.
from few monthso the Torino F.C. became another time Filadelfia owner.
today there's a project to rebuilt the stadium (15.000 all seats) with facilities.

in Italy the most part of the stadiums are in the city centre or very close.
this 'cause the most part of the big stadiums in the big cities were built during the Fascism in the 20's and the 30's when the city were more small than today.
in Milano, San Siro were built far away from the city centre...in the mid 20's!
the Milan owner that built the stadium choose a great area 9 km east of the city centre, where with the Municiaplity built the San Siro stadium, the 3 Hippodrome Stadiums the Lido swimming pool (that for more than 40 years was the world greatest one) and other facilities. at that time the area was part of the green circle that rounded Milano.
today is one of the nearest neighborhood to the city centre! only 10 subway stations from Duomo square (the geographical city centre).

same thing in Bologna, Firenza, Genova, Parma...

only stadiums in Roma, Napoli, Bari, Torino are far from city centre, cause all were built between the 50's to the 90's.

i think that the most Inner city stadium in Italy is the Como one.
Como is on the omonimous Lake, and the city centre is along the banks. exactly in front of the lake and in front of the princiapal square of the city there is the Sinigaglia Stadium (11.000)

http://www.stadiumguide.com/sinigaglia1.jpg

today a good number of the most important stadium of Italy are or will be under renovation, cause Italy is a candidate for Euro 2012 and at today only the San Siro Stadium in Milano have all Uefa criteria for European Championship.
for Euro 2012 will have at minimum 6 stadiums with Uefa criterias.

San Siro is Ok
Delle Alpi will be rebuilt.
Olimpico in Roma have big problems
San Paolo in Napoli have enormous problems.
Palermo Stadium is too much small
Bologna stadium is one of the oldest and have any criteria.
Bari Stadium is wonderful and recently.
Venezia stadium is ridicolous.

...will have great problems!

Interesting information on Italian Stadiums....

I heard that they are confirming the capacity to be 35,000 or something, which is way too small..... I think it should be around 40,000-50,000

Anyone know if the stands can be again extended after the first construction phase?

New pics on the rebuilding project...

http://www.geocities.com/theeiss/dellealpi1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/theeiss/dellealpi2.jpg

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http://www.geocities.com/theeiss/dellealpi4.jpg

The official capacity is 40.500 seats.

Has works started yet? I thought that the reconstruction of the stadium starts on June 1, but I went to the Juve website and there is no info....

Are they really going to start this soon? Can anyone confirm?

It's sure.
The works will start on 10/15 June, after Toro's play-out matchs.

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Juventus FC

27x Champion (record):
1905, 1926, 1931, 1932, 1933,
1934, 1935, 1950, 1952, 1958,
1960, 1961, 1967, 1972, 1973,
1975, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1982,
1984, 1986, 1995, 1997, 1998,
2002, 2003

9x Cup Winner (record):
1938, 1942, 1959, 1960, 1965,
1979, 1983, 1990, 1995

2x UEFA Champions League:
1985, 1996

1x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
1984

3x UEFA Cup (record):
1977, 1990, 1993

2x UEFA Super Cup:
1984, 1996

2x FIFA Club World Cup:
1985, 1996

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Capacity: 40,700
Investment: 120M€

The project includes the demolition of "old" Delle Alpi stadium in Turin (built for Italia '90 World Cup).

Turin will have for the first time in its history a real soccer stadium. Former Delle Alpi, despite its big capacity and its astonishing architecture, had all the bad carachteristichs of an Olympic Stadium, mainly the high average distance between seats and pitch.

The "Comunale" stadium, renewed by the municipality of Turin for the Olympic Games and renamed "Olimpico", is actuallt the home of Juventus FC and Torino FC. Also the "Olimpico" has actually the same bad carachteristics of former Delle Alpi. Moreover, its capacity is ridicolous (slighlty more than 25.000 seats).

The brand new stadium will include commercial areas and sport facilities.

Management says investment is strictly related with Euro2012. When Italy will win the competition to host the Euro Cup, Juventus would access to public interest rates, close to 0%.

The property will be 100% Juventus FC.

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awesome..finally its happening. the olympic stadium which hosted the opening ceremony of the winter games is sufficient as an athletics venue.

Funny stadium, but to my opinion it does not fit the biggest club in Italy. Nothing special about it.
Offcourse it is an improvement for Juventus, but compared with clubs like Valencia, Shaktar Donetsk, Zaragoza and others it is nothing special.
No for me Juventus is way up there and this stadium somewhere in the middle. The two don't combain mop

but it fits for its ridiculous supporters. when you are such a great club, you may expect that the supporters fill up the stadium. even in a CL game it wasnt full. last game against Ajax there where 3000 juve supporters. big club.. whohoow.
nope, juve is nothing to me, AC Milan is the biggest club from Italy. and than you can say 'but juve has supporters from all over the country, who must travel far and CL games are allways in the evening and they all have to work next day'. yeah, but where are those in normal games?

Does the stadium have a moat around it?

Those bridges are draw-bridges obv.

Funny stadium, but to my opinion it does not fit the biggest club in Italy. Nothing special about it.
Offcourse it is an improvement for Juventus, but compared with clubs like Valencia, Shaktar Donetsk, Zaragoza and others it is nothing special.
No for me Juventus is way up there and this stadium somewhere in the middle. The two don't combain mop

You are right but remember that in Turin the most popular club is AC Torino. Juventus is big team becouse have lot of fans in italian countryside not in Turin.


Forza AC! :-)

awesome..finally its happening. the olympic stadium which hosted the opening ceremony of the winter games is sufficient as an athletics venue.

This is another stadium in Torino, not Stadio Olimpico.

looks good, nice a rectangular & not bowl shaped like most modern stadia

Rectangular?

Which modern stadiums are bowl shaped...in the sense that this one isn't?

This is another stadium in Torino, not Stadio Olimpico.

uhm i know that.
now read: olympic stadium sufficient as athletics venue, implies that delle alpi (which is also an athletics venue), can be demolished, and athletics would still have a good venue to use if need be.

Did the Delle Alpi ever hold an Athletics event?

Did the Delle Alpi ever hold an Athletics event?
not sure.

Googled it and the very first sentence is "The Delle Alpi stadium didn't have a warm up track and it was therefore impossible to arrange International Athletic Grand Prix there".
Don't know how reliable the source is but it rings true.

The new one looks ok. Not great. Small and unimaginative design but definately better than the old one.

Way too small for a club with such a history.
Even in our Belgian Mickey Mouse competition they're planning such venues in at least 4 locations.
Juve deserves better than this.

Well, I totally agree that 40,000 is absolutely sub-optimal for a team like Turin FC..... 66,000 should be the minimum (like Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena)......

the only reason why the might calculate with less spectators is

a) they intend to stay in Serie B
b) they know there'll be more corruption scandals coming up (and therefore disgruntling fans and sponsors)
c) all of the above

Cheers.

maybe this stadium will get the Juve fans away from their TV's (the only good view they can get of the game) and into the stadium....

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AFX News Limited
Juventus plan to rebuild stadium gets approval from city of Turin
02.14.07, 4:31 AM ET

MILAN (AFX) - Juventus Football Club SpA said the city of Turin has approved plans to rebuild the club's Delle Alpi stadium in Turin.

Juventus, a unit of IFIL SpA, said the government and the football federation FIGC have also agreed to offer financial breaks for a loan of 120 mln eur to build the stadium if Italy wins its bid to host the 2012 European Football Championship.

According to a recent newspaper report, the club wants the government and FIGC to pay the interests on the loan, which could amount to a total of 40-50 mln eur over 20 years.

The new stadium would have a capacity of 40,000 and comprise a shopping mall, offices, leisure facilities, restaurants and a conference centre.

If Italy is not successful in its bid, the Delle Alpi stadium will be restructured at a cost of 18 mln eur, Juventus said.

Juventus said it has mandated its CEO Jean-Claude Blanc to present the documentation in support of the Italian bid for Euro 2012 as regards the Turin venue by Feb 15.

The final decision on who will host Euro 2012 will be taken by Europe's governing soccer body UEFA on April 18.

The Delle Alpi stadium is owned by the city of Turin. Juventus has a long-term lease of 99 years to manage the ground.

but it fits for its ridiculous supporters. when you are such a great club, you may expect that the supporters fill up the stadium. even in a CL game it wasnt full. last game against Ajax there where 3000 juve supporters. big club.. whohoow.
nope, juve is nothing to me, AC Milan is the biggest club from Italy. and than you can say 'but juve has supporters from all over the country, who must travel far and CL games are allways in the evening and they all have to work next day'. yeah, but where are those in normal games?

bla bla bla...... but with Juventus Ajax loses every time :D

ps: Juve supporters are the majority not only in Italy (around 14M), but also in Europe (24M, more than other european club).

Does the stadium have a moat around it?

Those bridges are draw-bridges obv.

i'll reply in the next post.... it seems that the stadium cover will be very very different.....

This is another stadium in Torino, not Stadio Olimpico.

no no... it's the same stadium. Former "Stadio Comunale" = New "Stadio Olimpico" = stadium which hosted Torino 2006 cerimonies = stadium without run truck or other atlethic facilities.

http://www.lightthetorch.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Stadio_Olimpico1.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/80/252198731_f6c7991089.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9682/stadio1nu7go2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Actually "Stadio Primo Nebiolo" (former "Stadio Ruffini") is the Turin Athletic Venue, capacity 10.000.

http://www.memorialprimonebiolo.org/Images/CartinaRuffini2005.gif

http://www.memorialprimonebiolo.org/public//photogallery//img_1998646847.JPG

http://www.memorialprimonebiolo.org/public//photogallery//img_1341567468.JPG

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8025/stadionebiolo1fotomariorl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Did the Delle Alpi ever hold an Athletics event?

Yes, Golden Gala in 1991. Attendance 50.000!!! (astonishing....)

but read (and look) to next post....

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8264/4g5d8aeno3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is the look presented to Municipality of Turin few days ago....


WOW!!!!

this looked better

http://www.stadiumguide.com/giovanniagnelli.htm

Has anyone got any pictures of Turins stadium? Do Juventus play there too now?

If Italy doesnt get Euro2012 what is the plans for reconfiguration at $18m that the article mentions?

Has anyone got any pictures of Turins stadium? Do Juventus play there too now?

If Italy doesnt get Euro2012 what is the plans for reconfiguration at $18m that the article mentions?

The "olimpico" stadium where Juventus and Turin are playing this year is the third in ravanellidiciamo post no. 24. It has 25/30000 seats.

Juventus used to play in the "stadio delle alpi" (70000 seats), built for Italia'90 world cup
.http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/piemonte/torino_alpi1.jpg

if Italy gets euro 2012 they'll build a new stadium over the "stadio delle alpi". otherwise, they'll just restructure it (it has to be adapted to the new italian rules 4 soccer arenas)

The smallness isn't what's wrong with this stadium so much as the lack of style. Italy is the home of Ferrari,Armani and all that stuff. It looks very basic for a club that regards itself as one of the top 3 or 4 clubs in the world.The stadium in Genoa of a similiar size was built back in 1990 and looks better.

The smallness isn't what's wrong with this stadium so much as the lack of style. Italy is the home of Ferrari,Armani and all that stuff. It looks very basic for a club that regards itself as one of the top 3 or 4 clubs in the world.The stadium in Genoa of a similiar size was built back in 1990 and looks better.

yes but what do ya think bout the rendering of n. #25 post?

it looks great! and it seems to be the final project

I realy like the FC Torino stadium, it has a nice atmosphere, only it is a shame that...

I realy like the FC Torino stadium, it has a nice atmosphere, only it is a shame that...


... that???

^^
Runningtrack... (sorry I was getting bored of myself...)

or doesn't it...? seemes that there was one... mmm well
it could be a lot closer to the field!!!

^^
Runningtrack... (sorry I was getting bored of myself...)

or doesn't it...? seemes that there was one... mmm well
it could be a lot closer to the field!!!

yes there was....

they removed it but the stadium is 100% as before! the distance between pitch and seat is the same.

typical "italian way..."...

Well, I totally agree that 40,000 is absolutely sub-optimal for a team like Turin FC..... 66,000 should be the minimum (like Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena)......


new Delle Alpi will be Juventus' one, not Torino's!

Well, I totally agree that 40,000 is absolutely sub-optimal for a team like Turin FC..... 66,000 should be the minimum (like Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena)......

the only reason why the might calculate with less spectators is

a) they intend to stay in Serie B
b) they know there'll be more corruption scandals coming up (and therefore disgruntling fans and sponsors)
c) all of the above

Cheers.


Well, Juve never had a very big fanbase compared to the other top clubs in Europe. 2005/2006 they had an average attendance of 30.604, 2004/2005 only 28.105.
So I think 40'000 is just about the right size, more would not be economical.

European Football Championship 2012: scandal Delle Alpi Stadium in Turin

On 12 february 2007, the local government of the city of Turin has decided to sponsor the request of (almost) 120 millions € that Juventus Football Club Spa (a joint stock company) will made to the Italian Sport bureau named “Credito Sportivo”. All politicians of Turin voted their agreement to the proposal except the rapresentatives of “Lega Nord” party and 4 counselors of “Rifondazione Comunista” party (which didn’t take part to the votation). The money (this huge amount of 120 millions euro) will be used, in the plans of Blanc – the general administrator of Juventus – to build the new stadium of the sport club and the near commercial centres in the Delle Alpi area. But this football club is also a joint stock company and this huge public financing at 0,6% of interest rate for 20 years alterate not only sport competition but also financial market. Moreover, in Turin the “stadium issue” gains the tones of a tragic comedy. After receiving, many years ago, from Turin government, for about 25 millions euro (less than 1/3 of its real commercial value) Delle Alpi stadium and all the rounding areas and without making even basic maintenance (that was the base of the pact between the club and the Mayor), the Juventus Spa in autumn finally declared its will to re-build the whole sport plant accordingly to UEFA prescriptions and Pisanu law for a total cost of 18 millions euro, in order to host the matches of European Football Championship of 2012. But few months later, with the perspective of gaining public funds, Juventus FC decided to change the original project into a more expensive and astonishing one, including also the creation of commercial centres. In January 2007 Mr. Cobolli Gigli (president of Juventus FC club) declared to be working at a project of 90 millions euro. About 20 days later, He said that at least 120 millions euro were necessary (of course this money would come from Italian citizens taxes).
The dazzling thing is that with few funds, It could be possible to make the other Turin stadium (named Olympic stadium) suitable for Euro 2012, enlarging it and building more seats near the green field. We must remember that Olympic Stadium was inaugurated less than a year ago and It has been thought only for Olympic Games of Turin 2006. Unfortunately the project was so bad because the number of seats is low and there is a serious risk that It will be abandoned soon also by Torino FC (the first sport club in the city of Turin). In such a nation as Italy, with many and many difficulties with public money and services, It would be simply a shame making a present of 120 millions euro to a private joint-stock company. The mayor of Turin (Mr. Sergio Chiamparino), the counselors Mr. Monatabone (sport politics) and Mr. Viano (urban developement) continue to support the idea that this new stadium is necessary in order to gain Euro 2012 mtches in Turin and say that there will be no costs for citizens. It’s not true at all. With a few works on Olympic Stadium (raising the number of the seats to 30.000) – a public stadium NOT owned by any club – It could be possible host Euro 2012 matches in Turin.
In fact, 40.000 seats are necessary only for quarter matches and upper and will allow the city to gain 3 matches instead of 2! So 120 millions euro are requested for obtaining ONE match more only. The bureau “Credito Sportivo” gives public financing (statal funds) coming from citizens taxes. Even if the crazy idea of re-build Delle Alpi stadium could go on, It would be absolutely unacceptable to support a financing exeeding the 18 millions euro effectively necessary in order to have quarter football matches in Turin. The state must avoid luxury witout sense. Moreover we don’t understand why “Credito Sportivo” would finance the commercial activities of Juventus FC in the areas rounding Delle Alpi Stadium. If a private citizens decides to start a commercial activity, supports himself the costs of his activity. Juventus FC wants to finance its commercial activities with our money. Its another big Italian scandal, damaging all Italians citizens.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8264/4g5d8aeno3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is the look presented to Municipality of Turin few days ago....


WOW!!!!


It looks better .. I like it a lot

Have you any news?

i think its a solid stadium for Juve one of the biggest clubs in the world, idunno why they cant support a 60 000 seat stadium but whatever, ive juve played out of, toronto,new york, la, chicago, montreal, london, beijing, they could sell out because there is huge fan bases everyhwere but torino, why not move the team. also where does juve get their money without the fans, obviously sponsoring and championsleague, but i dont understadn why a team with little fan base in italy is so big everywhereelse but italy

but i dont understadn why a team with little fan base in italy is so big everywhereelse but italy

Juve has a huge fanbase in Italy.. infact it's the club that has by far more fans in the country. but they're spread through the whole country.. People that live in Turin, instead, tend to support Turin..

^^^^^^^^^

It is quite simple really. In Turin, historically Torino was the "great" club until that plane crash in the 40's.

Don't forget Juventus is the "boss'" club also, so everyone go against them.

Juve should move to San Siro, everyone knows there are far more Juventus supporters in Milan than in Torino.

^^^^^^^^^

It is quite simple really. In Turin, historically Torino was the "great" club until that plane crash in the 40's.

Don't forget Juventus is the "boss'" club also, so everyone go against them.

Juve should move to San Siro, everyone knows there are far more Juventus supporters in Milan than in Torino.


ok Torino Calcio between '42 and '49 was a legend, but don't forget that Juventus is the first football club born in Turin, and still till '49 had won 7 italian titles (5 consecutives between '31 and '35!!!).

-it's true that in Turin we have half Juve and half Toro supporters.
-it's true that the majority of supporters of Toro are Turin "native", instead of Juve supporters who are largerly coming from the big migrations in 60s and 70s from South Italy;
-it's true that in Milan 1/3 are AC Milan supporters, 1/3 Internazionale supporters, and 1/3 Juve supporters.

BUT TURIN IN THE ONLY AND UNIQUE JUVENTUS' HOME

Juventus is tied with the history of the city and most of all to Fiat and Giovanni Agnelli, its president for almost a century, who represents with no doubt the Turin's entrepreneurship and spirit.

You are right but remember that in Turin the most popular club is AC Torino. Juventus is big team becouse have lot of fans in italian countryside not in Turin.



What ???


These are the average attendances of the last 45 years.....


Season - Juventus - TorinoFC

62-63 31002 23877
63-64 28233 21153
64-65 25666 24336
65-66 23373 21171
66-67 25551 17147
67-68 26747 27182 -
68-69 33383 25435
69-70 37366 23813
70-71 35415 26234
71-72 45667 31386
72-73 42813 31694
73-74 43916 34549
74-75 41820 30311
75-76 37099 39077 -
76-77 41892 40513
77-78 40472 38818
78-79 35410 33818
79-80 31144 27607
80-81 33929 24294
81-82 37500 24105
82-83 41877 30014
83-84 43573 31946
84-85 41271 37238
85-86 39654 29871
86-87 35554 28191
87-88 33081 29053
88-89 30350 27551
89-90 29627 30198 -
90-91 43114 33990
91-92 51832 35364
92-93 45868 26814
93-94 44520 26130
94-95 47866 22205
95-96 41946 20284
96-97 39271 13451
97-98 47347 19505
98-99 47164 19627
99-00 42229 21857
00-01 41273 17077
01-02 40687 19002
02-03 39771 14870
03-04 34365 9831
04-05 26429 10003
05-06 28820 24343


Only three times TorinFc have made better than Juve........

What are the average attendances for this season?

It might be the fourth time that Torino has posted larger attendances over a season.

Juve should play out of San Siro and let dispersed Juve fans from all Italy come to Milano. It is not far to travel from Torino to Milano. Long term there are more benefits to play out of Milano.

What are the average attendances for this season?

It might be the fourth time that Torino has posted larger attendances over a season.

Juve should play out of San Siro and let dispersed Juve fans from all Italy come to Milano. It is not far to travel from Torino to Milano. Long term there are more benefits to play out of Milano.

probably u did not understand that the Juventus is Turin and Turin its Juventus.

Milan had in the last century perodically stole a lot of economic and cultural activities to Turin, only because of its better geographical position, nothin more.

It could sound stupid (and probably it is) , but a football club in Italy is somethin important for the city which it represents.

Juventus is an important piece of the history of the city in the last century. It represents also (if you want) a sort of "revenge" agants the richer Milan which is only able to copy and stole Turin's creativity.

So, NEVER IN MILAN. Or the last stupid dream of Turin's people will definetely die.

^^^^^^^^^^

We never, seriously thought Juve would contemplate leaving Turin.

Simply from a business point of view, it would be better on the surface.

I am sure Inter and Milan would never allow Juve to move onto their patch even if the owners of the club were hell bent on it.

probably u did not understand that the Juventus is Turin and Turin its Juventus.

Milan had in the last century perodically stole a lot of economic and cultural activities to Turin, only because of its better geographical position, nothin more.

It could sound stupid (and probably it is) , but a football club in Italy is somethin important for the city which it represents.

Juventus is an important piece of the history of the city in the last century. It represents also (if you want) a sort of "revenge" agants the richer Milan which is only able to copy and stole Turin's creativity.

So, NEVER IN MILAN. Or the last stupid dream of Turin's people will definetely die.

Pull the other one, Torino took industry from Milano with FIAT buying and relocating the Milanese motoring firms, mainly Alfa Romeo.

Besides, when Juve were considering moving cities, it was to Napoli, nearer their southern fanbase and to a city not really saturated with a big club after the downfall of SS Napoli.

I like the stadium but its far too small.
A club like Juve needs atleast a 60k seater no matter what the actual attendance figures are.

I like the stadium but its far too small.
A club like Juve needs atleast a 60k seater no matter what the actual attendance figures are.

Why's that then?

^^ Because Juve is a massive club and most other big clubs in Europe are building stadiums with atleast 60k.
Im also sure that the attendance figures will go up once Juve has a proper football stadium.

they can built a 3rd tier later

they can built a 3rd tier later

that's true , the stadium is able to increase in size like old trafford , scheduled by architects , required by juve if filled at 40000 average in the future .

^^ Because Juve is a massive club and most other big clubs in Europe are building stadiums with atleast 60k.
Im also sure that the attendance figures will go up once Juve has a proper football stadium.

Being a massive club is no excuse if there's no fanbase. Most of the stadium will just be empty and it'll look and sound like crap.

What are the average attendances for this season?

It might be the fourth time that Torino has posted larger attendances over a season.


According to http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/aveita.htm:

Torino: 20,574
Juventus: 17,576

Being a massive club is no excuse if there's no fanbase. Most of the stadium will just be empty and it'll look and sound like crap.

i repeat: the fanbase is the largest in Europe (24M fans, more than Real Madrid and Manchester United).

Juve is in disgrace right now.. ok... but:

- the largest fanbase in Europe and among the best in the world, is a key point for the sponsors (also in Serie B Juventus did lot lose a lot of money compeaing to the previuos year)

- Juventus is part of the IFIL holding, which represesnts FIAT who will always be a financial support / guarantee for the team (the stadium investment is the biggest example)

- ok, Turin is maybe a "cold" city. But it's also true that an olympic stadium like old Delle Alpi was not the best attraction for a football show.
Anyway, only in 1998 Juventus had 45.000 subscribers and an attendance average over 50.000. Bad politics with supporters by CEO Giraudo and moreover television moved away supporters by the stadium. This was true not only for Turin but also in bigger cities like Rome or Milan.

Being a massive club is no excuse if there's no fanbase. Most of the stadium will just be empty and it'll look and sound like crap.

Juve has a big fanbase.
The only reason why the stadium is so empty is because its crap.
Inter and Milan also manage to fill the San Siro oftentimes.
Would Inter get the same attendancies if it would play in the Delle alpi?

Juve has a "passive" following. People who do not really attend matches, but just say I follow a club just to be fashionable.

When you get less than 30,000 to home games I think it is laughable to suggest you could be considered to be one of Europe's biggest clubs.

It is proven in court just how Juve has achieved their "success". They should have been banished to the bottom of 4th division and their owners ordered to sell the club to more honest interests.

What's all this talk about a huge "fanbase"? Yeah, they probably have one, too bad though that most of that fanbase is located hundreds of KMs south of Turin. Juve's never been a big draw in Turin, so a 35,000-40,000 venue is sufficient for that club.

Juve has a "passive" following. People who do not really attend matches, but just say I follow a club just to be fashionable.

When you get less than 30,000 to home games I think it is laughable to suggest you could be considered to be one of Europe's biggest clubs.

It is proven in court just how Juve has achieved their "success". They should have been banished to the bottom of 4th division and their owners ordered to sell the club to more honest interests.

yes....

u just forgot that Juve is Italy and Europe history, anh half of the players of world cup final were from Juventus.

bah... u seems so "anti-juve" on principle.

What's all this talk about a huge "fanbase"? Yeah, they probably have one, too bad though that most of that fanbase is located hundreds of KMs south of Turin. Juve's never been a big draw in Turin, so a 35,000-40,000 venue is sufficient for that club.

it's not only South Italy.

it's also half Turin, and probably 1/3 of Milan. in Emilia-Romagna region (Bologna, Reggio Emilia, Parma among its cities), Juve fans represents a big percentage.

and it's incredible that also in cities where biggest rivals plays... i.e Florence, Rome) there's a huge Juve fanbase.

don't forget also 11M fans out of Italy.

But are they true fans? I mean big clubs like Bayern, Real, ManU etc. will always have sh*tloads of "fans" because they're successful clubs. These fans don't attend games though.

I think everybody should support their local teams
I respect,but don't understand people from Rome,Milan,Florence,etc supporting Juve or people from Torino that supports other teams outside.
it's just my poor way of thinking
I support my local team,last years we were in 3rd division,then the managers increased the debt and we now began restarting from the last division(7th division),but I continue to support my team everywhere and ever
:cheers:

I think everybody should support their local teams
I respect,but don't understand people from Rome,Milan,Florence,etc supporting Juve or people from Torino that supports other teams outside.
it's just my poor way of thinking
I support my local team,last years we were in 3rd division,then the managers increased the debt and we now began restarting from the last division(7th division),but I continue to support my team everywhere and ever
:cheers:

me too I'm from Turin ;)

what i wanted to tell is that Juve is not only a local reality, but an italian and an european one ;)

and to everyone who tells that Juventus has nothin to to with Turin, i reply that he probably doesn't know anythin bout the last century city's history.

But are they true fans? I mean big clubs like Bayern, Real, ManU etc. will always have sh*tloads of "fans" because they're successful clubs. These fans don't attend games though.

I don't think the clubs really mind as long as they buy a new kit every season.

Look, long term, taking a purely rationally business point of view to building Juventus as a seriously big football club, Milano is where they should be playing out of.

Sure it won't happen, but how is playing in front of 60 to 70k a home match bad compared to 20 to 30 you only get down the road in Turin?

Forget about history for a moment, in business which professional football actually is, why is it so difficult for people in Turin to just go to Milan to watch their team play and where the majority of their loyal fanbase(people who would actually go to matches) is actually located.

You get the better stadium, bigger corporations and larger supporter group. It is madness not to consider it if you are to stay competitive in the future.

The Italian league is dying on its arse. It's probably now even behind the German league (which has always been generally quite poor) in terms of quality, and far, far behind England and Spain.

I think a 40,000 stadium is more than adequate for a club like Juve. You only have to look at its attendance history to see that. Build it at 40,000 with the possibility of expansion. Simple.

Look, long term, taking a purely rationally business point of view to building Juventus as a seriously big football club, Milano is where they should be playing out of.

Sure it won't happen, but how is playing in front of 60 to 70k a home match bad compared to 20 to 30 you only get down the road in Turin?

Forget about history for a moment, in business which professional football actually is, why is it so difficult for people in Turin to just go to Milan to watch their team play and where the majority of their loyal fanbase(people who would actually go to matches) is actually located.

You get the better stadium, bigger corporations and larger supporter group. It is madness not to consider it if you are to stay competitive in the future.

bah....

there's two reasons for whichu are sayn' that... u'r for Torino FC or u represent 100% american culture... juve out of Turin: NEVER.

The Italian league is dying on its arse. It's probably now even behind the German league (which has always been generally quite poor) in terms of quality, and far, far behind England and Spain.

I think world football is dead..not only italian one,cause of fifa and uefa masters.
european football is boring,I enjoy Argentina's league
England,Spain??German??:ohno:

no Euro 2012... juventus is now waiting for Italian Federation to decide if finance the rebuilding of the stadium with a new loan with a new, low interest rate.

Deadline.... December 2007.... :(

in the meantime, Turin's Delle Alpi rest unused. Juventus let host some music concerts (Vasco Rossi in July, The Police in October.... )

I won't comment on the level of Serie A play because that's in the eye of the beholder. However, I will say that, at some point, all these scandals have got to be tiring for us all. If there's one area that doesn't need all that drama (at least off the pitch) that would be football. But maybe that's the problem. So much is invested in the sport, in terms of emotion, controversy, etc., that it will always be vulnerable to irregularities. At least in Italy.

I would like to think there's a way to keep politics completely away from the sport. I have no ideas of how to do that.

Now, Delle Alpi...quite a waste of good building materials. And now Juve want to rectify what the city had done. What is their liquidity? What other assets do they have?

u mean liquidity of Juventus?

mmm… there’s a “before scandal” and an “after scandal”.

I won’t say a word about the ”before”. The only thing that matters it’s that the old management left a good heritage: in the season 2005-06 was the third club in Europe by revenues, after Real Madrid and Barcelona (source Deloitte rich list).

Anyway, scandal brought:
- Second division;
- No champions’ league.

This will certainly decrease revenues in 2006-07, mainly because renegotiations of commercial contracts and less international TV rights (national TV rights are stable because of the contracts already signed with local broadcasters).

Implications on the revenues are very big, also because Juventus, as all Italian football clubs, depends mainly from sponsors and TV rights, and less (or nothing) by “matchday” revenues (real estate revenues… including match tickets, stadium commercial areas revenues, merchandising… etc.)

That’s why stadium project was absolutely important, and it rests actually very important. And that’s why Euro 2012 lost bid implies the design of a brand new strategy.

As you all know, old strategy was to rebuild “Delle Alpi” with a zero-interest rate loan by an Italian public institution called “Credito Sportivo”, which finances the building of sport infrastructures in Italy. The zero-interest rate loan was agreed in order to prepare Turin hosting Euro 2012 matches.

Actually Juventus will negotiate with Credito Sportivo to obtain at least an interest rate lower than the average market interests. Consequently, there’s a chance to build the stadium anyway, but with higher costs. If not, the only alternative is to restructure “Delle Alpi” to fit new Italian and international standards of safety (this will entail also a reduction of the number of seats of about 20.000 units).

In the meantime, the property of Juventus, mainly of Fiat Group, after a decade of indifference, is coming back to sustain the club. This implied the reorganization of the management after the scandal and mainly will imply an injection of fresh money to rebuild the team for the “Serie A” and probably to finance the stadium project.

We’ll see….

just a break to show how Delle Alpi represents a magnificent arena for music events....

(next events, Vasco Rossi in July and The Police in October)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5857/vascoxj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

so yeah, nice stadium we've got here

Juventus is planning to build the new Delle Alpi also if Italy lost the Euro 2012 bid.

at 99% Juventus FC will build this stadium even if Italy lost the Euro 2012 bid. They agreed with The Cradito Sportivo a financement with a lower interest rate comparing to the market.

Credito Sportivo will finance also similar projects in Italy already finalized: new stadiums for Messina, Rome (for SS Lazio), Genoa (for Sampdoria) and Brescia.

That Stadio Delle Alpi is a bad stadium due to the athletics track. How come the new stadium plans don't include complete demolition of the Delle Alpi Stadium?

That Stadio Delle Alpi is a bad stadium due to the athletics track. How come the new stadium plans don't include complete demolition of the Delle Alpi Stadium?On page 1 you will find plans including the destruction of the current stadium and construction of an entirely new one. I don't know which design will be realised...

40k is still to big for Juventus, they should build stadium similar to the new MK stadium with a 22k capacity with provision for an increase.

40k is still to big for Juventus, they should build stadium similar to the new MK stadium with a 22k capacity with provision for an increase.The average Juve attendance 1999-2006:

05-06 30 469
04-05 26 429
03-04 34 365
02-03 39 771
01-02 40 687
00-01 38 630
99-00 42 229

These numbers still look pretty decent compared to the embarassing attendances for some games between 2001-2003: 237 (Coppa Italia vs. Sampdoria), 399 (Coppa, Reggiana), 561 (another Coppa match)...

The first plan was for 35,000 seats only, but that raised protest among the fans...

http://bianconeri.tripod.com/dellealpi.html

They should relocate the club to Milan. Long term it is a better move than staying put in Turin.

Juventus are a big team, i dont understand why they cant fill a 40,000 stadium:nuts:

Juventus are a big team, i dont understand why they cant fill a 40,000 stadium:nuts:It's a combination of many factors: they never felt at home there because of the distance to the pitch, bad views, distance to the city center. Besides that, a lot of the Juve fanbase is to be located not in Turin, but in the distant and poorer south, mainly Sicily. And there are always some "X-factors", that can have a positive or negative influence on stadium attendance. This new, compact stadium might just be one of those X-factors. Let's hope it will, and that the distances to the city center and/or to the regions where the fans are to be located do not prove crucial. When I see the last designs, in which Delle Alpi is destroyed, I see a possibility of expansion. Better to start at 40,000 now and expand in time, when attendance grows.

It's a combination of many factors: they never felt at home there because of the distance to the pitch, bad views, distance to the city center. Besides that, a lot of the Juve fanbase is to be located not in Turin, but in the distant and poorer south, mainly Sicily. And there are always some "X-factors", that can have a positive or negative influence on stadium attendance. This new, compact stadium might just be one of those X-factors. Let's hope it will, and that the distances to the city center and/or to the regions where the fans are to be located do not prove crucial. When I see the last designs, in which Delle Alpi is destroyed, I see a possibility of expansion. Better to start at 40,000 now and expand in time, when attendance grows.

If Torino has some good results i can imagine it getting bigger than Juve (at least locally, isnt it already?). Juve are lucky that they have FIAT as a sponsor giving them 100 million euros just like that now before the serie a season.

Anyhow im looking forward to serie a this season, it will be broadcast on national swedish television :banana: . With Napoli, Genoa and Juve back it will be awesome.

Bad luck that Inter could not finish off Juventus, but with the dirty deals and favourtism from officials they receive the result was not surprising.

An interesting season ahead.

^^

They probably want to stay in Turin cause that's where their fans are. You know, the ones who filled the Olimpico IN TURIN today.

:cheers:

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Quite true, silly me.

^^ I believe the game was played at the 25 370 seater Stadio Olimpico Grande Torino

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/piemonte/torino_comunale1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/italy/piemonte/torino_comunale2.jpg

My error, I thought it was moved to Rome due to stadium repairs at Juve's normal ground.

It is great that all the top clubs are back in Serie A. It is still a great league. Better drama and off field goings on than a Mexican soap opera.

It looks bigger than 25,000 odd seats?

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In the 80's they could cram 60,000 in there. Mind you it was standing room.

They might have been better off digging down to get the stands closer to the pitch, like City of Manchester and added a level on the wings to the ground to take cap. to around 40,000.

This ground is closer to the city centre than the other place out in suburbia they are trying to redevelop.

I don´t know why, but I like that stadium. it has something friendly.
Indeed they might be of better redeveloping this one, but I don´t know how Torino thinks about that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, it is a friendly stadium now that the cheaters have been exposed and Juve is 'just another team'. :cheers2:

that´s is a strange reason to like a stadium... go to some clubforum or something.

Ah the good old "Comunale" !!!!!!!

Some great 80s memories from it! Platini, Boniek, etc etc - and I'm not a Juve fan altogether!

I believe its current cap. is ok for Torino FC and its location representing of this teams fanbase, i.e. the city of Torino. I also find its rennovation lovely. Surely if the good old days for the Granata come back it will be too small, but for now this is just a speculation.

Juve has its fanbase almost exclusively outside the city, therefore they should go on with rennovating Delle Alpi (if not moving to the south of the country :D !!) but I believe 40k is too little for them. 60k would've been more reasonable, unless of course there are some issues with football attedance in the otherwise lovely country of Italy, issues an Italian friend could possibly ellaborate for us a litttle bit more.

If Juve are so popular in rest of Italy, how come their away games aren't always sell outs? If Juve fans aren't prepared to "travel" to the outskirts of Turin for a match why make the effort to travel further? Are Juve's fans true fans if they reside in Palermo, Milan or Bari? In this country we mock Man Utd because their fans seem to come from anywhere but Manchester.

If Juve are so popular in rest of Italy, how come their away games aren't always sell outs? If Juve fans aren't prepared to "travel" to the outskirts of Turin for a match why make the effort to travel further? Are Juve's fans true fans if they reside in Palermo, Milan or Bari? In this country we mock Man Utd because their fans seem to come from anywhere but Manchester.

In fairness United have had a better average crowd than city for the last 60 years .

Any news or pics of the Delle Alpi at the moment?

[QUOTE=Archibald Leitch;16353602]In fairness United have had a better average crowd than city for the last 60 years .

But then they have a stadium with a greater capacity

[QUOTE=Archibald Leitch;16353602]In fairness United have had a better average crowd than city for the last 60 years .

But then they have a stadium with a greater capacity

Just after world war II, United played at Maine Road as OT got bombed, so United got better crowds than City on City's ground!

If Juve are so popular in rest of Italy, how come their away games aren't always sell outs? If Juve fans aren't prepared to "travel" to the outskirts of Turin for a match why make the effort to travel further? Are Juve's fans true fans if they reside in Palermo, Milan or Bari? In this country we mock Man Utd because their fans seem to come from anywhere but Manchester.

It's generally (but sometimes grudgingly) accepted that Utd have more support in the Manchester area, but City have the larger percentage of Manchester based supporters. It'd never happen that Utd would draw a crowd of 300 for a midweek cup game like Juve have.

If Juve are so popular in rest of Italy, how come their away games aren't always sell outs? If Juve fans aren't prepared to "travel" to the outskirts of Turin for a match why make the effort to travel further? Are Juve's fans true fans if they reside in Palermo, Milan or Bari? In this country we mock Man Utd because their fans seem to come from anywhere but Manchester.

Check this statistic out:
In home games, Juve is only ninth in attendance:
http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer.php?Thema=32&Liga=8&s_id=2767&modus=1

But in away games Juve is first with more than 13'000 more than 2nd place:
http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer.php?Thema=32&Liga=8&s_id=2767&modus=2


Of course the away games attendance depends alot on which grounds you've played already, but Juve will still be at the top of it at the end of the season, no doubt.

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I guess a lot of people 'hate' Juve and come out to see them getting flogged.

The Euro 2012 was not awarded to Italy, which means that the stadium is left to fall into disrepair. What should be done to the Stadium of the Alps?

The stadiums are owned by the local municipalities I thought, as opposed to in England where they are owned by the clubs.

Any news on Delle Alpi?
According to fussballtempel.net it's under reconstruction already.

Any news on Delle Alpi?
According to fussballtempel.net it's under reconstruction already.

Some weeks ago i saw a cup match (Juve vs. ?)
And they played at the Olimpico in Torino
So, maybe it is really u/c

@ Sercan:

Ever since having been relegated Juventus has played in Olimpico!

Oh, thanks
So whats up with Delle Alpi?

Oh, thanks
So whats up with Delle Alpi?

Delle Alpi is momently precluded to football matches and keep staying in semi abandon status (except for concerts) waiting for the final project.

There are two main lines to follow there:

1. A completely (and much expensive) new stadium reduced to about 40.000 seats and with a new commercial area.

or

2. A simple revamping (mostly regarding new security rules) mantaining pretty much the originary structure.


The choice is still doubtful. Although executives and fans aim at a new stadium, the Club have to settle with a substantial loss of budget due to the recent relegation in the second league.. and also the fact Italy lost Euro2012 means no public funds for new stadiums.

From latest news they seem more oriented toward the second solution, the least expensive. Anyway the decision should came out on April.

According to stadionwelt they are searching for a stadium name sponsor
With his 50 mil. € they new stadium can be built

50 milion from where exactly? Anyway it wouldn't be enough as the new project needs a minimum investement of 100 mil. to be built. Hope they could find a sponsor soon.

Now
http://i27.tinypic.com/2rogxao.jpg


The new project
http://i30.tinypic.com/2zg7vuv.jpg

They are searching :D
But i like this old one more
http://www.stadiumguide.com/giovanniagnelli.htm

Now
http://i27.tinypic.com/2rogxao.jpg


The new project
http://i30.tinypic.com/2zg7vuv.jpg

Its a nice stadium besides the athletic's track. However I thought 1 of Juventus's problem was the stadiums location.

What that its in Turin rather than Milan?
One of Juventus's problems was the current stadium was built outside of Turin, and so fans couldn't be bothered to travel the distance. Thus lack of support, and why I am questioning them sticking to the same location.

One of Juventus's problems was the current stadium was built outside of Turin, and so fans couldn't be bothered to travel the distance. Thus lack of support, and why I am questioning them sticking to the same location.

That's crap, I looked the location up on google earth, the stadium is actually located about 6 km from Turin's city centre. That's closer than alot of other stadiums are located to the city centres in Europe.

I was going to make some sarcastic comments about how Italian football sucks and about how Italian stadiums are falling apart these days, but I'm just gonna propose Juventus should be abandoned as a club all together :cheers: Come on, one of the biggest clubs in the world (at least that's what they like us to believe) has been struggling to upgrade or rebuild its stadium for years, and is playing in Torino's stadium these days, how the heck is that possible???

That's crap, I looked the location up on google earth, the stadium is actually located about 6 km from Turin's city centre. That's closer than alot of other stadiums are located to the city centres in Europe.

Actually I read that some times ago in an article about the club, and that was one of the reasons put forward as to why they don't come to the games!

^^ I read that too and not only once.
6km indeed doesn't sound like much. Maybe there are weak transport links?

poor stadiums
doping
corruption


This is italy'structures!

Oh, there must also be some funny sex stories here and there...

Anyway, I hope they find soon a solution because it seems to be too much laughable now.

Here we go!

Juventus Executives Board has just approved the project for a new stadium of about 40.000 seats (+ commercial areas) which will rise on the site of the old structure (destined to be demolished). The budget is about 110 milions € and should be entirely granted by some sponsors (first names coming up are Emirates, Fiat and an international Betting group). So the initial low cost revamping solution has been rejected.

This is the latest version of the new stadia from Juventeus site.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3473/senzatitolo3copiacn7.jpg

On thi site you can find some renders of previous versions.

http://studiogau.it/gallery/cat0120/index.html

The new one looks better, but do you have more pics?

sorry but right now these are the only ones avaible on the web.. let's just wait for more updates.

ok, I tried to grow dark the previous pic for a better seeing..

http://i29.tinypic.com/2z9lixx.jpg

I like it.
nothing original but the Juventus is so in need of an decent stadium.

^^
Nothing original? and who else could boast of a black&whitestripes stadium? :D

It may not be spectacular but I think it's really pretty and YES, Juventus is in so need of it :)

Is it that inventive to paint your stadium with the club colors?
Be it black and white doesn't change a lot although I admit it gives its caché to the building.
Look at allianz Arena and you'll see a real way to have an original outside.

Anyway, hope this is for soon.

I really don't like the cables holding the roof. Apart from that I like it (much better than the previous project).

40k just isnt enough for a club like Juve regardless of their current average league attendance.

40k just isnt enough for a club like Juve regardless of their current average league attendance.
Actually it's quite perfect. Since the turn of the century Juve's average attendance has been declining from a high around 43k to a more common 30k or less. Their single game highs for each season have averaged around 47k.

With this new, more intimate stadium they'll guarantee atmosphere and higher ticket demand for EVERY match, not just against the bigger names. This will increase the pressure for fans to buy season ticket packages and thus keep the value of the tickets at a premium. It will also enable them to operate with more of a fixed, predictable budget of expenses. Meanwhile, from the looks of it they'll be able to expand as needed, but in the meantime they won't be spending more than needed on construction or on employees for maintaining a much larger facility.

Actually it's quite perfect. Since the turn of the century Juve's average attendance has been declining from a high around 43k to a more common 30k or less. Their single game highs for each season have averaged around 47k.

With this new, more intimate stadium they'll guarantee atmosphere and higher ticket demand for EVERY match, not just against the bigger names. This will increase the pressure for fans to buy season ticket packages and thus keep the value of the tickets at a premium. It will also enable them to operate with more of a fixed, predictable budget of expenses. Meanwhile, from the looks of it they'll be able to expand as needed, but in the meantime they won't be spending more than needed on construction or on employees for maintaining a much larger facility.


EXACTLY. You got the point!

Right now it's the ideal choice. Besides, in the future, its capacity could be further increased as needed.

I like he 55k project better! Regardless I still prefer the Estadio Municipale sorry Olympico, it's smaller, it has a track but I just like is location right next to the Lingotto and other cool sights in Torino.
It looks like things are moving slow and not in the direction the club wanted. But if they dump the tracks, lower the pitch, lower the stands and build one or, more likely, two levels of luxury suites, they 'll get their money back faster!

It was clearly sarcastic ;)

No, it was very sincere. You see the difference?
I love the Juventus, I want them to have a great stadium, this project is great so if it becomes reality I'll be happy.
This project is good.
This project fits Juventus need.
This project fits Juventus fans need.
This project have its personnal caché.
This project represents the clubs colours and legacy.
This project is not original.

is it possible to expand it later?
3rd tier etc.

is it possible to expand it later?
3rd tier etc.

a 3rd tier may be not but, as the Club announced, the project should take in account some further (probably temporary) expansions. Dunno how though.

Anyway.. considering Juventus would probably join the Champions League next season it would need an expansion of the Olimpico (its current stadia) which is still being planned. It should increase its capacity by 25K to 28K in order to satisfy UEFA's request for the Champions.

3rd tier or like san siro just an extansion of the 2nd tier.
how many suites will it have?

you mean seats?

no, suites / vip boxes / palcos ..

ah ok.. posted by Hogan in the Italian Forum.

Ecco il nuovo progetto, da LaStampa di oggi.
E' sostanzialmente semi-identico al progetto per gli Europei.
La differenza più evidente è quella del rivestimento esterno (la rete microforata è sostituita da fasce di alluminio bianche e nere). Un dettaglio direi. :)
Qualche miglioria anche alla parte est del complesso, atta a consentire l'utilizzo del centro commerciale esterno anche in caso di chiusura dell'impianto per questioni di ordine pubblico.
La sistemazione degli spalti si presenterà come quattro tribune, non corpi a se però, tipo Marassi, ma unite da piccole curvature.
La copertura sarà in teflon semitrasparente e acciaio.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1810/dscf2759zv2al3.jpg


The render probably doesn't correspond to the final project but the data are updated.

Capacity: 40.700
Vip boxes: 120

Thanks a lot
I will add it to my list
1 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu 241
2 Stade de France 168
3 Wembley 166
4 Estádio da Luz 156
5 Twickenham Stadium 150
6 Emirates Stadium 150
7 Millenium Stadium 124
8 Estádio José Alvalade XXI 120
9 White Hart Lane 120
10 New Juventus Arena 120
11 Allianz Arena 106
12 Villa Park 104
13 Estádio do Dragão 96
14 Amsterdam ArenA 83
15 Veltins Arena 81
16 Olympiastadion Berlin 76
17 Commerzbank-Arena 76
18 Estadio Vicente Calderón 74
19 Nou Estadio Valencia 72
20 Weser Stadion 70
21 Boleyn Ground 70
22 City of Manchester Stadium 68
23 Stadion Lokomotiv 60
24 Sükrü Saracoglu Stadi 60
25 AOL Arena 50
26 RheinEnergie Stadion 48
27 Ricoh Arena 46
28 Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion 44
29 Borussia-Park 42
30 MSV-Arena 41
31 De Kuip 40
32 Néo Stádio Karaïskáki 40
33 Constant Vanden Stock Stadion 37
34 Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi 34
35 Volkswagen-Arena 32
36 Darlington Arena 30
37 Stade de Geneve 29
38 AWD Arena 29
39 The Hawthorns 29
40 LTU Arena 27
41 Kadir Has Sehir Stadi 25
42 Estadi Camp Nou 23
43 Schluefweg 22
44 Stade de Suisse 18
45 Olympiakó Stádio Spýros Loúis 16
46 Zentralstadion 16
47 east-Credit Stadion 14
48 Fritz-Walter-Stadion 12
49 Signal Iduna Park 11
50 St. Jakobs Park 11
51 BayArena 10

Will the Stadium of the Alps be demolished if the new stadium gets built?

Will the Stadium of the Alps be demolished if the new stadium gets built?

The new one will be built in the place of the old one, so yes.

^^
Exactly.
I know that many people prefer the old Delle Alpi for its elegant shape but, believe me, that track field and the undeground level made it a unconfortable stadium. A completely new one is highly wellcome.

Anyway the new official project should be revealed on Friday.

Has it been approved if so when will construction start?

Juventus are tendering for construction rights as we speak. As it's Italy construction won't start until the last bribe and backhander is in.

As great of a sporting nation Italy is, it probably has the worst stadiums of any major sporting power.

It's good to see a nice stadium to go alongside Milan and Genoa's in the works.

What kind of numbers does the Vecchia Siniora draw as attendance now that she has returned to the refubrished Comunale?
IMHO, the new stadium is still far away...

Nice stadium but IMO too small for the best football club in Italy.

Some approximate render posted in the italian forum.

Dall'odierna edizione di "TorinoClick" :):

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5606/dellealpi1gp7.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/782/dellealpi2cs1.jpg


Next monday there should be the final approval by the city council.
The final project is to be presented on 27 October. First preliminary works would start by the end of this month as to finally start building it within next spring.

very good for juventus
it's a very beautiful stadium

According to Stadionwelt.de, demolition of Delle Alpi will start in 3 weeks.
The new stadium should be ready in summer 2011.

Is Juventus Arena an official name or will the new one also be called Delle Alpi (since its on the same location)? Or maybe a sponsor name? Would be the first one in Italy as far as I know.

Highest Gate 22495 Palermo
Lowest Gate 20000 Catania Calcio
Average Attendance 21232

Attendance stats so far this season excluding champs league. One of the biggest puzzlers in football why Juve get a lower attendance than expected for a club of such history, success and status.
Even when they were in delle alpi the crowds were way lower than desirable. But as we know a new juventus only stadium and continued success plus a clean slate no more scandals and perhaps a regular 40,000 can be acheived.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There are a number of factors.

# The biggest of all is that you can 'buy' any Italian football match and watch it in the comfort of your own home, without the hassles of venturing out to a stadium. At the very least it would be on in every pizzeria, bar, cafe in Italy seeing it is a Juve game. Supposedly the most popular team.

# A big factor also is a lot of Juventus support is in the south and outside of Turin. They would get 60k average if they relocated to Napoli or Milan. They say in the south of Italy, Juventus is the biggest club. In Milano, Juve is 33.3 percent, as Inter is 33.3 and AC is 33.3.

# Turin has a dimishing population, industry has been going backward in Piedemonte(Turin's state) for the last 30 years. It is a town like Cleveland or Detroit in America. Italy's 'rust belt'.

# Stadium, people did not like the old joint. We have all heard the excuses. But that is only a small part in reality. Crowd violence and comfort are also big factors. Possibly is the scandals of the match rigging that Juve has been involved in for the past 20 years has lost a lot of her supporters.

Juventus attendance figures is a reflection on Italian soccer in general. Most serie A clubs and that includes Internazionale get poor crowds. If Italian fans spent less time fighting in train stations and more time on the terraces supporting their team they may survive longer in Europe.

I think capacity 40,700 is very good for Juve.But what happend with Stadio del Alpi?

I think capacity 40,700 is very good for Juve.But what happend with Stadio del Alpi?

post #108 :ohno:

The new one will be built in the place of the old one, so yes.

Juventus attendance figures is a reflection on Italian soccer in general. Most serie A clubs and that includes Internazionale get poor crowds. If Italian fans spent less time fighting in train stations and more time on the terraces supporting their team they may survive longer in Europe.

italian stadiums in general are terrible

They can't demolish the Delle Alpi and build the new Juventus Stadium at the same time. I mean, the renderings show the outline of the stadium being retained.

Why not?
Juve do not play in the Delle Ali Stadium

They should stay at Communale. It is central and Juve does not even fill that. But I guess they are the 2nd favourite team in Turin so what do you expect.

Everyone follows Torino because they are 'going against the boss' club!'

From "Centro" its nearly the same
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9878/unbenanntie3.jpg

Juventus attendance figures is a reflection on Italian soccer in general. Most serie A clubs and that includes Internazionale get poor crowds. If Italian fans spent less time fighting in train stations and more time on the terraces supporting their team they may survive longer in Europe.

why is it that less than 10 years ago in the same stadiums, clubs were getting much bigger crowds week in week out, with a similar hooligan problem.

the teams in serie a in 2000 and what they are averaging now

Club 2000 2008
1 FC Internazionale 66.546 51.211
2 AS Roma 58.915 37.276
3 AC Milan 58.522 56.642
4 SS Lazio 51.956 21.485
5 Juventus FC 42.229 20.930
6 AC Fiorentina 35.683 31.387
7 Bologna FC 1909 28.492 13.036 (B)
8 Reggina Calcio 24.158 13.147
9 AC Torino 21.857 19.226
10 AC Parma 20.938 15.427
11 AS Bari 20.802 3.773 (B)
12 Udinese Calcio 20.391 15.672
13 US Lecce 19.278 8.454 (B)
14 FC Hellas Verona 18.141 10.864 (C)
15 Cagliari Calcio 16.934 12.259
16 AC Perugia 13.194 3.650 (C)
17 Piacenza FC 10.763 3.156 (B)
18 AC Venezia 1907 9.545 3.917 (C)

All in serie B 2000, the rise can be put down to promotions but isn't that much
19 Napoli 32.835 40.780
20 Genoa 12.928 24.745
21 Sampdoria 16.709 21.888

serie a 29.908 23.180

nearly 7000 less people per game attending.

I think the new stadiums like the Juve stadium as well as a change in match going culture. ie people not considering televised football as a viable ulternative to a live match are key. If italian football is ever going to get out of the rut! Telly kills football, and forces clubs not to need to improve their stadiums.

The new project is 0k but this one is better http://www.stadiumguide.com/giovanniagnelli.htm

Nice :)

http://www.tuttosport.com/foto/Calcio/Serie%20A/Juventus/2008/11/20-1325_5/Juve%2C+ecco+il+nuovo+stadio

juventus new stadium

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It looks alright nothing great. I have to say the main stand looks absolutely awful, maybe it will grow on me over time or when I see some extra pictures. The seating patterns are quality but other then that the interior is completely average. I really like the area around the stadium it looks modern and very high quality I'm sure it will help bring in extra fans as well as extra. Does anyone know how easy would it will be to expand? I reckon if there is a need for expansion they should build a third tier on the two side stands to make it look like the Delle Alpi, then it truly would be a great stadium.

I can't help thinking that neither the capacity nor the design are worthy of a club of Juventus' stature.

This stadium just makes the club seem incredibly average. And yet, of course, it is a very far from average club. It is one of the biggest, most glamorous, most decorated and most iconic clubs in all of world football.

Juventus needs and deserves a better and bigger stadium than this.

The main stand having all the boxes seems to be a growing trend in stadium design. Nothing spectacular in this stadium but in a country of awful stadiums this will still be among the best.

where are the suites?
Just 1 storey but therefore in every stand?
And still 120 suites?

where are the suites?
Just 1 storey but therefore in every stand?
And still 120 suites?

According to this (http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/fussball/Das-modernste-Stadion-der-Welt-fuer-Juventus/story/21037278) news 84 sky boxes.

Ok thanks.
120 -> 84
They even reduce the number of suites :ohno:

1 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu | Madrid | 241
2 Old Trafford Stadium | Manchester | 180
3 Stade de France | Paris | 168
4 Wembley | London | 166
5 Türk Telekom Arena | Istanbul | 159
6 Estádio da Luz | Lisboa | 156
7 Twickenham Stadium | Twickenham | 150
8 Emirates Stadium | London | 150
9 OL Stadium | Lyon | 130
10 Millenium Stadium | Cardiff | 128
11 Nuevo San Mamés | Bilbao | 122
12 Estádio José Alvalade XXI | Lisboa | 120
13 White Hart Lane | London | 120
14 Landsdowne Road Stadium | Dublin | 110
15 Allianz Arena | München | 106
16 Villa Park | Birmingham | 105
17 Estádio do Dragão | Porto | 96
18 Veltins Arena | Gelsenkirchen | 90
19 Amsterdam ArenA | Amsterdam | 83
20 New Juventus Arena | Torino | 84
21 Commerzbank-Arena | Frankfurt | 81
22 Olympiastadion | Berlin | 76
23 Estadio Vicente Calderón | Madrid | 74
24 Nou Estadio Valencia | Valencia | 72
25 Boleyn Ground | London | 70
26 Weser Stadion | Bremen | 70
27 City of Manchester Stadium | Manchester | 68
28 Croke Park | Dublin | 65
30 Sükrü Saracoglu Stadi | Istanbul | 61

Ok thanks.
120 -> 84
They even reduce the number of suites :ohno:

:lol:

Just as a matter of interest, what is your obsession with suites / boxes all about?

this design deserves a meh

The design is great! I only think that they better have 50.000 capacity.

http://i34.tinypic.com/fz2ba.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/33uublw.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mfhdnt.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/e5ia1t.jpg

Does anyone know how easy would it will be to expand? I understood that was the reason for the vast footprint of the development.

Juventus needs and deserves a better and bigger stadium than this.Average Serie A attendance since 1990-91, in thousands:

43.1 (1990-91)
51.8
45.8
44.5
47.9
41.9
39.2
47.3
47.1
42.2
41.2
40.6
39.7
34.4
26.4
30.5
19.6 (Serie B)
20.9


As mentioned above Italian soccer is going through a spell where attendance is a real struggle compared to their English and German counterparts. Juve is right to size their venue small enough to increase the pressure for season tickets and to create better atmosphere than they're capable of right now. Plus, it's not a matter of what they deserve but what they can afford, which as we all know are two very different things. :cheers:

As a neutral when it comes to viewing Serie A games, I'd prefer to see a packed arena of 40k than a half empty canyon with 65k capacity.

Sorry but 40,000 capacity is a joke for a club such Juventus and an industrial city like Torino.I am disappointed :ohno:.Even in Germany a village called Hoffenheim with 3000 people built a 33,000 capacity stadium.

Juventus have to built a 50,000-60,000 capacity stadium at minimum.I would prefer a 65,000 capacity stadium

Sorry but 40,000 capacity is a joke for a club such Juventus and an industrial city like Torino.I am disappointed :ohno:.Even in Germany a village called Hoffenheim with 3000 people built a 33,000 capacity stadium.

Juventus have to built a 50,000-60,000 capacity stadium at minimum.I would prefer a 65,000 capacity stadium

Of course, given the status of the team they should build a bigger stadium.
But if the attendance this season is 20k and it never was more than 50k in the last 20 years there is simply no point in building a 60k stadium.
I think 40k is just about right and hope they can expand it if necessary.


I understood that was the reason for the vast footprint of the development.


Footprint is the same as the current delle Alpi:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&q=Stadio+Delle+Alpi,+10151+Turin+Turin,+Piemont,+Italien&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=15.35012,33.925781&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FflQsAIdpJN0AA&ll=45.109294,7.642032&spn=0.00421,0.008283&t=h&z=17

:lol:

Just as a matter of interest, what is your obsession with suites / boxes all about?

Somebody has to make a list :D


I like the facade and cool that they integrate the the 2 huge supports of the old stadium
http://xoomer.alice.it/redboys/stadi%202003/foto/Stadio_torino%20delle%20alpi%2070000.jpg

I hope that than can expand the stadium.
3rd tier ~ 65,000

They should stay at Communale. It is central and Juve does not even fill that. But I guess they are the 2nd favourite team in Turin so what do you expect.

Everyone follows Torino because they are 'going against the boss' club!'

I live quite close to the old Comunale and, believe me, it's quite a bad place for football matches: first of all there are no big car parks for those who are crazy enough to drive in for it. Moreover in case of clashes police has to fight in a very built-up area (since those "supporters" won't beat up each other next to the soldier, whose barracks are close to the stadium, northwards and eastwards). In the last season we experienced some riotings before Torino-Juve derby, and it wasn't pleasant for us who live in the area. The Delle Alpi is surrounded by open spaces, easier to get controlled.

And if you're thinking: "a stadium downtown is better served by public transport" it's not really like that: sure there are some bus and tram lines, but during games they're diverted or served by old (and tiny) bus since GTT doesn't want to see its properties demolished.

Sorry but 40,000 capacity is a joke for a club such Juventus and an industrial city like Torino.I am disappointed :ohno:.Even in Germany a village called Hoffenheim with 3000 people built a 33,000 capacity stadium.

Juventus have to built a 50,000-60,000 capacity stadium at minimum.I would prefer a 65,000 capacity stadium

Torino's no longer an industrial city... we still got some big factories, but not like in the '80s. and, as others said before, Juve's attendance has been quite poor recently.

Some more renderings...

http://www.tuttosport.com/foto/Calcio/Serie%20A/Juventus/2008/11/20-1325_11/Juve%2C+ecco+il+nuovo+stadio

In the Italian forum we quoted Fabrizio Giugiaro, CEO of the famous designer group, who said this:

«Il rivestimento dell'impianto è composto da lamelle elastiche che si muovono come se fossero una grande bandiera, quando c'è il vento o forti vibrazioni - spiega Fabrizio Giugiaro, figlio del presidente dell'omonima azienda -. Così, il festeggiamento del gol avrà un'onda lunga anche all'esterno attraverso il movimento della struttura»

Basically he said the external cladding is made of elastic metal sheets which move like a big flag if windy or in case of strong vibrations. So fans, when celebrating a goal, will create a "wave" also on the external side.

I find this fabolous!

I'm looking forward to seeing this one in the metal! A bit on the small side but probably a wise move for a club like Juventus in a city like Torino. And if I'm right a hell lot of retail space. I'm not hoever of the stadium seating layout: the stacked luxury suites look like a rip off the worst US stadiums suites!

nice design

Some more renderings...

http://www.tuttosport.com/foto/Calcio/Serie%20A/Juventus/2008/11/20-1325_11/Juve%2C+ecco+il+nuovo+stadio

In the Italian forum we quoted Fabrizio Giugiaro, CEO of the famous designer group, who said this:



Basically he said the external cladding is made of elastic metal sheets which move like a big flag if windy or in case of strong vibrations. So fans, when celebrating a goal, will create a "wave" also on the external side.

I find this fabolous!

Sounds interesting.
The pattern of the seat colors looks also very nice on the new screens.
The desing is growing on me.
However the main stand with the boxes in the middle is really really bad.
I wish they would put them on top like most stadiums.

the Italian forumer mindthegap had the chance to have an inside look on the demolition works...

http://i33.tinypic.com/27xjpl5.jpg

as you can see the excavators are busy demolishing the first stand

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28540104&postcount=199

can we say its u/c?

sure it's Demo... but it has been approved, i also think the VIA has been given (VIA=Valutazione d'Impatto Ambientale, a sort of document stating that the building's impact on the surroundings is acceptable, sorry if I'm not quite specific).

Hello Everybody, here's the new "official" Juventus F.C. stadium: Opening 2011-2012. At that time it'll certainly be the best italian stadium.
Have your say!

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VBLaMho55oY
(video taken from the Official Presentation held in Turin 20th Nov 2008)

There's already a thread for this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=440815&page=8

It's in the Stadiums and Sports Arenas "Under Construction" sub forum.

Being the best Italian stadium doesn't really say much...

VBLaMho55oY

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pictures posted on the italian forum:

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http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/62.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_0_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/63.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_1_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/85.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_2_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/8.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_3_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/25.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_6_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/3.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_7_immagine.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.it/bin/69.$plit/C_27_photogallery_853_GroupPhotogallery_listphoto_itemPhoto_10_immagine.jpg[/QUOTE]

thanks to our forumer fabrik!

as you can see, they've just starting demolitions, I think it's gonna take a while to destroy the stands and then the external coverage.

any webcams yet?

So it is bye bye Delle Alpi...It's kinda sad although it was not the prettiest stadium..Think only of the players that played in there...Anyway, Juve deserves a modern stadium

So it is bye bye Delle Alpi...It's kinda sad although it was not the prettiest stadium..Think only of the players that played in there...Anyway, Juve deserves a modern stadium

That's the bizarre thing about seeing these pictures of the Delle Alpi being demolished....it is a relatively modern stadium.

It was built for the 1990 World Cup.

Even taking into account its unsuitability for football, it seems weird to watch it being demolished a mere 18 years later.

They should stay at Communale. It is central and Juve does not even fill that. But I guess they are the 2nd favourite team in Turin so what do you expect.

Everyone follows Torino because they are 'going against the boss' club!'


:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Excuse me my friend but....

Season teackets Juventus and Torino

62-63 31002 23877 - Stadio Comunale
63-64 28233 21153
64-65 25666 24336
65-66 23373 21171
66-67 25551 17147
67-68 26747 27182
68-69 33383 25435
69-70 37366 23813
70-71 35415 26234
71-72 45667 31386
72-73 42813 31694
73-74 43916 34549
74-75 41820 30311
75-76 37099 39077
76-77 41892 40513
77-78 40472 38818
78-79 35410 33818
79-80 31144 27607
80-81 33929 24294
81-82 37500 24105
82-83 41877 30014
83-84 43573 31946
84-85 41271 37238
85-86 39654 29871
86-87 35554 28191
87-88 33081 29053
88-89 30350 27551
89-90 29627 30198
90-91 43114 33990 - Stadio Delle Alpi
91-92 51832 35364
92-93 45868 26814
93-94 44520 26130
94-95 47866 22205
95-96 41946 20284
96-97 39271 13451
97-98 47347 19505
98-99 47164 19627
99-00 42229 21857
00-01 41273 17077
01-02 40687 19002
02-03 39771 14870
03-04 34365 9831
04-05 26429 10003
05-06 28820 24343
06-07 12840 17849 Stadio Comunale/Olimpico
07-08 17173 16401
08-09 18325 13492

41-4 in the last 45 years!


average attendance at "Delle Alpi":
juventus - torino

1990–91 43,114 33,990
1991–92 51,832 35,364
1992–93 45,868 26,814
1993–94 44,520 26,130
1994–95 47,866 22,205
1995–96 41,946 20,284
1996–97 39,271 13,451
1997–98 47,347 19,505
1998–99 47,164 19,627
1999–00 42,229 21,857
2000–01 41,273 17,077
2001–02 40,687 19,002
2002–03 39,771 14,870
2003–04 34,365 9,831
2004–05 26,429 10,003

any webcams yet?

I don't think they're gonna put them, sure not from the inside since it all will be demolished. Maybe something on the cranes, when they'll rise. but for the first months the works will interest just the inner part. today, if I'd have nothing better to do than crossing the whole town with 20cms of snow (and more falling), I'd get there freezed just to see the ol' delle alpi. I mean that, from the outside, you can't see they're working.

I can't believe this. A large World Cup stadium gracing this earth for over 19 years before peacefully departing to be with its Lord and Saviour. If the Stadium of the Alps had hosted the ceremonies of the 2006 Winter Olympics instead of the Stadio Comunale, then the Stadio Comunale should have been dead instead of this one. I should have built a stadium like this somewhere in Africa.

I think Stadio Comunale was nearly dead. They renovated it for 2006.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2mfhdnt.jpg



facade reminds me a little little bit of one of my earlier designs

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/Sketchup/20080804170212_11m51s.png?t=1228399589

I can't believe this. A large World Cup stadium gracing this earth for over 19 years before peacefully departing to be with its Lord and Saviour. If the Stadium of the Alps had hosted the ceremonies of the 2006 Winter Olympics instead of the Stadio Comunale, then the Stadio Comunale should have been dead instead of this one. I should have built a stadium like this somewhere in Africa.

Problem is that the bloke who did the project for the Delle Alpi succeeded in designing a place where you couldn't possibly have a glance about what was happening on the pitch, especially from the less pricy stands (called "curve" in Italian).
The Comunale was quite disbanded before 2006, without a coverage and so on, as Sercan said.

Moreover, it seems to me you're quite confused: the Comunale was refurbished with public funds for the Olympics, and its owner is the City of Torino; Juventus F.C. bought the right of using the Delle Alpi for 99 years back in...2003 if I'm not mistaken. we couldn't possibly use it for the Olympics, because it was already Juve's property!

and...why in Africa?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3075972582_7608fafcdf_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/3065564266_5ac289060d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21906850@N00/sets/72157610325172725/with/3075972582/

Why don't they build their new stadium bigger? To be frank 40,200 is too small for a club like Juventus. 60,000~70,000 would be a suitable size.

The death of the Athletics Stadium!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3075972582_7608fafcdf_b.jpg