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bubomb November 24th, 2005, 12:55 AM Does anybody else think this stadium offers amazing value for money? It cost £59 million in total for everything. Capacity is 53466 for German league games and 45600 for internationals. It's Borussia Mönchengladbach's stadium.
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/ost_03.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Borussia-Park3.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/sued_04.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/eroeffnung_02.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/kompakt_05.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/business_05.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/business_27.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/saison20052006/liga_10/160.jpg
Iain1974 November 24th, 2005, 01:04 AM Cracking value.
Sunderlands Stadium of Light cost £30M according to their website which is also a great deal compared to some of the more frivolous efforts around the world.
For all the talk on here about stadium design and aesthetics if you're trying to arrange 50,000 odd seats around a grass rectangle you've only got so many options after all.
eddyk November 24th, 2005, 01:06 AM For £126 million, Wales got this....
http://www.merlin-fireworks.co.uk/image/mstad_01_large.jpg
http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/5218_BIRMINGHAM_CITY.jpg
At 74,500 its the biggest stadium in the world with a fuly retractable roof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Stadium
bubomb November 24th, 2005, 01:20 AM Wales stadium was very good value. Shame about the crap stand behind one of the goals. I think this had to be done because a rugby club wouldn't sell their land.
MoreOrLess November 24th, 2005, 03:22 AM I quite like that end stand at the millenium stadium myself, its a focal point without being too far removed from the size/style of the other three sides. Really the only thing I'd find fault with it on the low incline of the bottom tier and the overhang of the second tier on it.
I think this shows that the idea that 60K is the optimum size for cost per seat with modern roofed stadia is probabley correct.
MoreOrLess November 24th, 2005, 03:22 AM --
dande November 24th, 2005, 11:19 PM Nice stadium, it does the job. Have they had any big music acts play there yet?
cphdude November 25th, 2005, 01:47 PM im guess the reason for the difference in numbers, is because the bundesleage alows standing and UEFA only alows seating, correct?
bubomb November 25th, 2005, 02:00 PM Correct. The standing areas are converted to seats for UEFA/FIFA games. For every 2 standing places you get 1 seat.
krodiger November 25th, 2005, 11:01 PM For £126 million, Wales got this....
Just that? Is that number right?
2005 November 25th, 2005, 11:31 PM Just that? Is that number right?
Yes it is beleive it or not.
Puto November 26th, 2005, 12:33 AM Really really nice stadium.. man.. didnt knew it!!! :bow: :)
vivayo November 26th, 2005, 05:46 AM is ti going to be used in the world cup 2006??
in not is a shame, a great stadium
muc November 26th, 2005, 09:04 AM is ti going to be used in the world cup 2006??
in not is a shame, a great stadiumNope.
Cologne is 40km away. Schalke 50km. And Dortmund at 80km.
That's enough conentration of stadia in the very west of Germany.
cianobuckley December 1st, 2005, 04:41 PM yeah thats deadly value for money. in Ireland we badly need to redevelop our national stadium into a 50k all seater but the proposals costs just keep on rising and rising. Now the cost per seat is projected to be the highest in Europe after Wembley but we will have nowhere near the luxuries yet to be enjoyed in the english capital.......
JimB December 1st, 2005, 05:32 PM yeah thats deadly value for money. in Ireland we badly need to redevelop our national stadium into a 50k all seater but the proposals costs just keep on rising and rising. Now the cost per seat is projected to be the highest in Europe after Wembley but we will have nowhere near the luxuries yet to be enjoyed in the english capital.......
So what's the latest on the Lansdowne Road development, then? I thought it was already agreed and had received the green light.
johnz88 December 1st, 2005, 08:12 PM The new stadium in Kielce, Poland is a really nice stadium and its not expensive at all. The capacity is 15 500 and it cost 40 mln zloty or 10.3 mln Euros. The team that is building it just made it into the Polish 1st division and this size of stadium is perfect for them. They are going to have sell out crowds when it is completed in March, 2006.
http://www.sztuka-architektury.pl/files/33.jpg
http://stadionk.roxtet.com/img/projekt/s12.jpg
http://stadionk.roxtet.com/sk/foto/051106_Matt/big/PICT1910.JPG
http://stadionk.roxtet.com/sk/foto/051106_Matt/big/PICT1895.JPG
CharlieP December 1st, 2005, 08:16 PM Wales stadium was very good value. Shame about the crap stand behind one of the goals. I think this had to be done because a rugby club wouldn't sell their land.
The original plan was to build the Millennium Stadium on the footprint of the old National Stadium and Cardiff Arms Park, which were built side-by-side perpdenicular to the River Taff...
http://westwales.co.uk/graphics/stadium.jpg
...and build a new stadium for Cardiff RFC, who were happy to move. Unfortunately, it was pointed out that all the Lottery money that was being used for the project was to build a national stadium, and not a new ground for a rugby club as well. Hence the dodgy end.
Benjuk February 16th, 2007, 04:28 AM Some very attractive and state of the art stadiums being built around the world at the moment, with prices that seem sky high... I'm wondering if any of the more in-the-know, architectural professionals, can give an idea of how much it would cost to construct a 'simple' stadium to the following (basic) specifications...
A simple rectangle consisting of four stands capable of seating 40000. It needs a simple roof with no supports to block line of sight from the seats to any part of the pitch. The corners of the stadium do not have to be filled. So, this is basically a larger version of Millwall's New Den, or (if cheaper) the basic bowl model as used by many of England's newer stadiums (Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Darlington, etc.).
I know Sunderland and Boro built very cheaply - just curious as to what we believe such a stadium would cost 'today'.
www.sercan.de February 16th, 2007, 04:59 PM In Turkey it would cost around 40 mil dolars
BobDaBuilder February 17th, 2007, 03:09 AM About 5 or 6 years ago it was roughly $50,000 Australian dollars per a seat in a modern stadium. So times that by the size (X) and you have a rough approximation.
Bigmac1212 February 17th, 2007, 04:27 AM Papa John's Cardinal Stadium costs $63 Million American. It would probably cost somewhat more with a roof covering the seating bowl.
Benjuk February 17th, 2007, 05:42 AM About 5 or 6 years ago it was roughly $50,000 Australian dollars per a seat in a modern stadium. So times that by the size (X) and you have a rough approximation.
That would make $50 million for a 1000 seater stadium... Did you mean $5,000/seat (five thousand as opposed to fifty)?
At that rate a 40,000 seater would cost $2b. Even Wembley is coming in cheaper than that, with it's retractable roof, and state of the art everything.
kinggeorge February 17th, 2007, 06:06 AM autrailian dollars, whatever the currency exchange rate is, 50000 might be like 4500 american or something although that seems way off
Mo Rush February 17th, 2007, 06:10 AM R700 - 800 million in south africa, assuming the stadium meets FIFA requirements.
R500 million would be the least cost alternative.
So divide that by about 7 = =+/- 70 million US dollars
Benjuk February 17th, 2007, 07:03 AM autrailian dollars, whatever the currency exchange rate is, 50000 might be like 4500 american or something although that seems way off
50000 AU = approx 35000 US. Seems pretty pricey. Maybe he's talking about the cost of adding additional seats to existing stadia? (ie/ the recent modifications to the MCG).
NavyBlue February 17th, 2007, 11:40 AM 50000 AU = approx 35000 US. Seems pretty pricey. Maybe he's talking about the cost of adding additional seats to existing stadia? (ie/ the recent modifications to the MCG).
Yeah the AU$ averages between 75-80 US cents and the "modifications to the MCG" also included demolition of previous stands in it's AU$434 million price tag. The new stand has about 55,000 seats and it's comfort level is on a par with the new Wembley.
Telstra Dome in Melbourne was built in 2000 for around AU$450 million and it has 55,000 seats, retractable roof, retractable lower tier, underground carpark and state of the art corporate facilities eg. Medallion Club.
Both projects come up as approximately AU$8,000 per seat if I'm not mistaken...
andysimo123 February 17th, 2007, 01:38 PM Manchester got a 40,000 odd seater afew years ago and I think that cost around £125 Million plus another £60 Million to upgrade it to 48,000.
BobDaBuilder February 17th, 2007, 01:41 PM Sorry, I meant $5,000 per seat.
Lucky I am not the company accountant or we would be over-charging. ;)
Benjuk February 17th, 2007, 04:16 PM Sorry, I meant $5,000 per seat.
Lucky I am not the company accountant or we would be over-charging. ;)
I'm trying to figure out what Melbourne could get for it's money if it went for size rather than visual splendour with it's new rectangular stadium bid. 5000/seat makes it sound like they(we) could get a 40000 seater for the same money as the planned 20-25k 'bubble'.
||-GOB-|| February 17th, 2007, 06:06 PM I'm trying to figure out what Melbourne could get for it's money if it went for size rather than visual splendour with it's new rectangular stadium bid. 5000/seat makes it sound like they(we) could get a 40000 seater for the same money as the planned 20-25k 'bubble'.From what I've heard the bubble roof is actually a cheaper option than a traditional flat roof.
aCidMinD81 February 18th, 2007, 01:55 AM The new Valencia Stadium is suposed to cost 350 million € with 75.000 seats.
Benjuk February 18th, 2007, 07:17 AM From what I've heard the bubble roof is actually a cheaper option than a traditional flat roof.
Yep, but due to the construction techniques required, they can't go bigger than 28k seats (give or take 1k) - and the main tennants are already averaging over that. Seems stupid to build a stadium for a club that doesn't want it.
||-GOB-|| February 18th, 2007, 08:24 AM Yep, but due to the construction techniques required, they can't go bigger than 28k seats (give or take 1k) - and the main tennants are already averaging over that. Seems stupid to build a stadium for a club that doesn't want it.
Keep in mind that they averaged only 14,000 last season. This season they're the run-away best team in the comp and have a huge bandwagon, but it won't last. If the Vic government build this 27,000 seater they'll be fine, especially since they'll have the option to move one or two marquee games a season to the Dome.
www.sercan.de March 14th, 2007, 05:20 PM does somebody have a detailled list of all cost (seats, roof, parkings etc) of a stadium project?
thanks
Benjuk April 22nd, 2008, 06:20 AM I know costs vary from nation to nation, year to year, etc. But which stadiums do we feel represent the best value for money in terms of cost/seat?
I know my club's home (Sunderland Stadium of Light) initially cost 27 million for 42k seats, all undercover, completed in 1997 (with minor modifications between 97 & 99) - I'm sure someone can better...
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/CustomPages/GetImage.aspx?ImageID=16923
Stadium of Light, before the North Stand (left side of pic) was extended, taking capacity to 48300.
kazetuner April 22nd, 2008, 06:31 AM the new stadium of Independiente will have 44000 seats and a cost of aprox. 10 million dollars
http://www.sobrefutbol.com.ar/wp-content/inde.jpg
Carrerra April 22nd, 2008, 06:50 AM the new stadium of Independiente will have 44000 seats and a cost of aprox. 10 million dollars
http://www.sobrefutbol.com.ar/wp-content/inde.jpg
Is this renovated or newly built? It's incredibly cheap for a 44K seater. When is the construction started and finished?
kazetuner April 22nd, 2008, 07:10 AM it is newly built, they started demolishing the old stadium like in June of the last year and will be finished in october of this year
Carrerra April 22nd, 2008, 07:19 AM I think this will be the best value for money among stadiums inaugurated in the 2000s
Seoul Worldcup Stadium.
- Inaugurated in Dec 27, 2001
- 66,806 seats
- Approximately 200 million USD
http://dicimg.naver.com/100/800/47/275047.jpg
http://dicimg.naver.com/100/800/34/100634.jpg
http://dicimg.naver.com/100/800/35/100635.jpg
kazetuner April 22nd, 2008, 07:24 AM pretty cheap for a stadium of that quality, but i dont like the roof. why is it so high?
Carrerra April 22nd, 2008, 07:42 AM it is newly built, they started demolishing the old stadium like in June of the last year and will be finished in october of this year
In october of this year? Do you mean the demolition of old stadium or the construction of new stadium? If the latter, I can't believe they will finish both the demolition and the construction just in a year and four months.
kazetuner April 22nd, 2008, 07:49 AM i mean that the new stadium will be finished in october of this year...it would have to be a gigantic stadium to take 16 months to demolish it, dont you think?
Carrerra April 22nd, 2008, 07:53 AM pretty cheap for a stadium of that quality, but i dont like the roof. why is it so high?
The roof is so high???? I don't understand what you are trying to mean? Maybe you hate the stadium with high roofs???????
If the thing you hate about SWS is the gap between the roof and the stand, I think it's inevitable. The archtects desinged the stadium to symbolize a Korea's traditional shield kite so it would have to have the gaps to look like a kite seen from above.
kazetuner April 22nd, 2008, 07:59 AM come on, look at the 2nd pic you posted... the distance between the highest seat and the top of the roof is enormous. besides that's not very functional, if the rain comes from a side a lot of people on the first rows will get all wet....
Morsue April 22nd, 2008, 01:43 PM Borås Arena in Sweden can host up to 17000 people for a football match. It cost only about €12M to construct. Only downside is that it's all plastic. Even the turf (as well as the team and supporters)...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Boras_arena_17april_2005.jpg
NeilF April 22nd, 2008, 03:06 PM £16m for the original 30,000 or so seats at the Riverside Stadium in Middlesbrough. Went up pretty quickly, if memory serves well.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41009000/jpg/_41009304_boro_416x300.jpg
BobDaBuilder April 22nd, 2008, 03:10 PM The best 'value' for money ever spent on a stadium. Is that old Roman arena at Arles in the south of France. They still use the joint after 2000 years, it also gets tourists to come to the town.
Hats off to Caesar for that civic improvement.
palindrome April 22nd, 2008, 03:20 PM Fenway Park. Built 1912 at a cost of $650,000 for 35,000 seats. Has been increased to 37,500 seats. Counting inflation, that is still only $14,319,431.83.
http://pbe.mit.edu/flashpics/fenwaypark1.jpg
http://www.hotelcommonwealth.com/accommodations/graphics/fenway.jpg
http://www.onearth.org/files/onearth/article_images/08win_dispatches01-01_slideshow.jpg
Scba April 22nd, 2008, 03:55 PM ^
But the seating situation and layout has been changed around a lot, and a lot of other improvements have been made.
Wezza April 23rd, 2008, 12:51 AM Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane, 52,500 seats. $280 million AUD.
http://www.suncorpstadium.com.au/images/Image%20Gallery%20Photos/800%20pixels/2004%20Stadium%20aerial%20stadium%20(small%20file)%20(CM)%20-%20Approval%20req.jpg
kolovoda July 5th, 2008, 05:49 AM I've been watching this forum for the past year or so and decided to join in on the fun.
The constant talk on here is the grandure of stadiums, how big and attractive we can build them and the costs associated with them obviously are quite high.
What i'd like to know what stadiums do you think have been the most cost efficient in terms of product for price. But having said that lets keep them with some sort of aesthetic appeal.
I thought i'd start.
I think an efficient stadium (and surrounds) would have to be the Sydney International Tennis Centre.
It was constructed for the Olympics at a cost of
38 Million Australian dollars. (20 Million euro)
10,000 seat main stadium, 2 show courts and 13 other courts along with player facility area and to boot it looks great.
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Sorry if the pics don't work. First time posting with a picture
en1044 July 5th, 2008, 07:23 AM any minor league baseball stadium
Indiana Jones July 5th, 2008, 07:43 AM BMO Field seemed like a nifty stadium that quickly went up. Good fit for the team and easily expandable.
http://zlosnik.pl/files/811098-800px-West-stand-bmo-field.jpg
Skybean July 5th, 2008, 07:46 AM Toronto's Skydome was purchased for $25 million CAD ($1 CAD = $1 USD)
Seats 60,000
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4618/skydomerogerscentertoroqa0.jpg
spud July 5th, 2008, 09:23 AM did'nt the monumental 'U' only cost $20million?
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6897/monumental2fo8.jpg
Iain1974 July 5th, 2008, 10:50 AM The Stadium of Light, Sunderland, UK
Inital - 42,000 / 27M / 34M Euro / $53M
Current 49,000 / 7M / 9M Euro / $15M
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/beezilhunter/StadiumofLightBright.jpg
I think the next expansion, to 56,000 was priced at ~ 10M GBP but won't take place for a few years. The stadium was built with a final capacity of 64,000 in mind.
Makes you wonder why Newcastle, just 10 miles away, would want to spend 300M GBP on adding 8,000 seats to St James Park
hngcm July 5th, 2008, 11:45 AM ^^ The location makes it extremely difficult to expand st. james park.
Iain1974 July 5th, 2008, 11:53 AM Agreed. They'd be better off leaving and building a Stadium of Light II only with black and white seats.
theespecialone July 5th, 2008, 06:14 PM or.......
groundshare
Iain1974 July 5th, 2008, 08:53 PM Not a hope in hell(!)
It looks like Ashley is trying to sell Newcastle so who knows what their future looks like?
theespecialone July 6th, 2008, 05:27 AM they'll probably finish in the top 12 in the future
Neda Say July 6th, 2008, 11:41 AM a new stadium on the cheap should cost around 4000 euros a seat plus land acquisition in Europe!
king1010 July 6th, 2008, 06:05 PM Toronto's Skydome was purchased for $25 million CAD ($1 CAD = $1 USD)
Seats 60,000
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4618/skydomerogerscentertoroqa0.jpg
but back in 1989 it cost over 600 million to build
krzysiu_ July 6th, 2008, 09:03 PM National Stadium of Warsaw, around 0,5 bln e (capacity 55k)
Benjuk July 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM Makes you wonder why Newcastle, just 10 miles away, would want to spend 300M GBP on adding 8,000 seats to St James Park
They tried about 10-15 years ago. Were going to move to the other side of the town moor, but the good people of Newcastle objected to progress for the football club and forced them to continue with expensive alterations to the existing stadium.
Back to my recurring theme though - the massive cost of 'special' stadia against the 'functional' bowls like the Stadium of Light - it's interesting to see Arsene Wenger saying that due to the new stadium work Arsenal will be required to raise more than they spend on transfers for the next 20 years.
theespecialone July 7th, 2008, 07:04 AM arsenal don't spend much anyway
they look for french/african relative unknowns and transform them into stars
then sell them because they're too cheap to increase wages
MoreOrLess July 7th, 2008, 09:52 AM Back to my recurring theme though - the massive cost of 'special' stadia against the 'functional' bowls like the Stadium of Light - it's interesting to see Arsene Wenger saying that due to the new stadium work Arsenal will be required to raise more than they spend on transfers for the next 20 years.
I believe that NOTW article was something of a fabrication taking alots of different quotes out of context.
Sea Toby August 9th, 2008, 03:14 AM Corona beer is building a new 30k stadium for $97 million called the New Corona Stadium in Mexico for FC Santos Laguna. Their previous stadium held around 20k. This new one will have some suites to soak the rich, and only one covered stand. I believe they play all their matches at night. Another HKS design.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6185/nuevoestadioqx2.jpg
Sea Toby August 9th, 2008, 03:47 AM HKS also built this for the Frisco High School football stadium and the FC Dallas in the MLS, Pizza Hut Stadium seats around 21k for $80 milion. The New Corona Stadium is a revamp of this stadium with more suites and the fourth stand. HKS again. I would assume a 40k stand would cost twice as much.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/frisco1.jpg
HUSKER August 9th, 2008, 11:03 PM Corona beer is building a new 30k stadium for $97 million called the New Corona Stadium in Mexico for FC Santos Laguna. Their previous stadium held around 20k. This new one will have some suites to soak the rich, and only one covered stand. I believe they play all their matches at night. Another HKS design.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6185/nuevoestadioqx2.jpg
That's not the New Corona Stadium., this is the new Corona Stadium., Santos Laguna (the current mexican first division champion) plays it's matches sundays at 4 pm, when the sun hits hardest over Torreon's desertic region. It is a HKS design and, as well as Toronto's Skydome, it will have a Hotel that looks into the playing ground. Total cost: $97 Milliion USD,, very cheap because of the low construction wages in Mexico.
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Sea Toby August 10th, 2008, 02:48 AM Thanks for the information. My information came from web sources, but I believe they were prelimary. Its still going to be a very fine stadium with much more development around the stadium. I wonder if they decide to enlarge this stadium at a later time, could they finish building a horseshoe upper deck leaving the end open for the hotel viewers?
Mo Rush December 20th, 2008, 12:10 AM Cost - (~177mln €)
contruction time - 21 months
Cost: Thank the lord for Polish workers
Construction time: optimistic
www.sercan.de December 20th, 2008, 12:25 AM 21 months sounds normal for such a stadium.
Mo Rush December 20th, 2008, 10:23 AM 21 months sounds normal for such a stadium.
24 months is achievable. 21 months is optimistic for a large stadium with facade and roof. thats if they work very hard. operational after 26/27 months if they keep up the pace and ensure all sub-contracts are dealt with on time, delivered on time, installed at a great pace etc.
www.sercan.de December 20th, 2008, 01:11 PM But 44k isn't large. Its a midsized stadium :)
Dzwonsson December 20th, 2008, 01:26 PM Cost: Thank the lord for Polish workersCould you explain what do you mean by these words, homie? If you think Polish workers are really cheap, believe me, you're wrong, obviously. For example:
Estádio José Alvalade, Portugal (50 528) for EURO 2004: Cost - 89 000 000 €
Hypo-Arena in Klagenfurt, Austria (32 000) for EURO 2008: Cost - 66 500 000 €
Stadion Miejski in Wrocław, Poland (44 000) for EURO 2012: Cost - 177 000 000 €
So, should I say, thank the lord for Austrian or Portuguese workers? :nuts:
krzysiu_ December 20th, 2008, 02:00 PM It's incredible..Almost 90mln € for 50k in 2001/02 and Almost 180mln € for 44k in 2009
Mo Rush December 20th, 2008, 05:53 PM But 44k isn't large. Its a midsized stadium :)
Its my opinion. I'm only right 98% of the time haha
Mo Rush December 20th, 2008, 05:57 PM Could you explain what do you mean by these words, homie? If you think Polish workers are really cheap, believe me, you're wrong, obviously. For example:
Estádio José Alvalade, Portugal (50 528) for EURO 2004: Cost - 89 000 000 €
Hypo-Arena in Klagenfurt, Austria (32 000) for EURO 2008: Cost - 66 500 000 €
Stadion Miejski in Wrocław, Poland (44 000) for EURO 2012: Cost - 177 000 000 €
So, should I say, thank the lord for Austrian or Portuguese workers? :nuts:
inflation?
In today's times and climate 177 million/ $231 million is a good price for a 44,000 seater being built in Europe.
Dzwonsson December 20th, 2008, 06:21 PM ^^ I'll be further trying to convince you 177 000 000 € is proper price during financial crisis and economic problems within European Union. To do it, I'm gonna give you another example comparing construction's cost of SM in Wrocław with other stadium constructing in Germany:
Rhein-Neckar Arena in Sinsheim, Germany (30 000): Cost - 60 000 000 €
Stadion Miejski in Wrocław, Poland (44 000): Cost - 177 000 000 €
And still are you claiming this price is truly good?
krzysiu_ December 20th, 2008, 06:59 PM inflation?
In today's times and climate 177 million/ $231 million is a good price for a 44,000 seater being built in Europe.If you think it's a good price, then don't even ask how much Poznan will pay for two stands and roof...
Adiks December 20th, 2008, 08:13 PM ^^ I'll be further trying to convince you 177 000 000 € is proper price during financial crisis and economic problems within European Union. To do it, I'm gonna give you another example comparing construction's cost of SM in Wrocław with other stadium constructing in Germany:
Rhein-Neckar Arena in Sinsheim, Germany (30 000): Cost - 60 000 000 €
Stadion Miejski in Wrocław, Poland (44 000): Cost - 177 000 000 €
And still are you claiming this price is truly good?
Is Wroclaw and Poland gettin fooled or I am missing something? :ohno:
Mo Rush December 21st, 2008, 12:27 AM ^^ I'll be further trying to convince you 177 000 000 € is proper price during financial crisis and economic problems within European Union. To do it, I'm gonna give you another example comparing construction's cost of SM in Wrocław with other stadium constructing in Germany:
Rhein-Neckar Arena in Sinsheim, Germany (30 000): Cost - 60 000 000 €
Stadion Miejski in Wrocław, Poland (44 000): Cost - 177 000 000 €
And still are you claiming this price is truly good?
Its just my opinion and Im certainly not an expert.
Is the Rhein stadium hosting Euro matches and does it meet alf the UEFA requirements for a stadium in terms of spaces, technology? There can be a big difference between a UEFA compliant stadium and an ordinary stadium. The quality of materials and the complexity of the design can also play a role.
E.g. in South Africa we just completed a 40,000 seater for $33m but our 40,000 seater world cup stadia cost just over $120m, with a 44,000 seater in PE costing $220m.
I assume construction costs are lower in Poland than the UK but e.g. Emirates a well run project cost $600m for a 60,000 seater and you say Polish workers aren't cheap? $231m is a good price in the time frame that they optimistically predict along with the facade and roof which I assume are subcontracted to specialists.
$231m seems to be the same price as the PE World Cup stadium for 2010, which is a good price and the right price. I don't see $231m being excessive and it would be perfectly fine if the cost moved closer to $300m given the time frames, and the speed at which the subcontracts need to be put out to tender and be approved.
Mo Rush December 21st, 2008, 12:29 AM oh and I think Michal would be the best person to ask about the cost and time frame given his knowledge of this project, stadia in general and knowledge of the country
www.sercan.de December 21st, 2008, 01:00 AM Some stadiums have more suites, so its more expensive than a stadium with the same capacity and roof.
+ ofcourse the surrounding. Carparking under the stadium? Big squares?
Mo Rush December 21st, 2008, 01:25 AM Stadia Costs: 2010 FIFA World Cup
New:
Green Point Stadium $500 million 69,000
Moses Mabhida Stadium $360 million 70,000
Mbombela Stadium $110 million 46,000
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium $210 million 48,000
Peter Mokaba Stadium $130 million 45,000
Soccer City $280 million 94,700
Existing:
Free State Stadium, New Grand Stand $30 million 48,000
Royal Bafokeng, Additional Grand Stand Tier and roof,$11 million 42,000
Ellis Park, Additional North Tier with roof and parking structure, 62,000 $25 million
Loftus Versfeld, New Roof on eastern pavillion, 49,000 $13 million
Total cost: $1,623 million
Average cost per new stadium: $265 million
Average cost per stadium: $162.3 million
Architek December 22nd, 2008, 04:04 AM That
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8613/206953189qjfeciyqneqhglhk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
random question, are the stands just being built into the dirt because that what it looks like to me
Lucky Luke December 24th, 2008, 04:25 PM Cost of stadium in Poland that are under construction or planned.
Warsaw National Stadium (Euro 2012 ) (56k ) - est. 300-400 milion euro ( Elite class )
Warsaw Legia Stadium ( 32k ) - 113 milion euro ( Elite class )
Poznan City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 45 k ) - 150 milion euro ( Elite class )
Gdansk City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 44k ) - est. 170-200 milion euro ( Elite class )
Wroclaw City Stadium (Euro 2012) (44k ) - 180 milion euro ( Elite class )
Krakow City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 33k ) - 113 milion euro ( probably Elite class )
Chorzow Stadion Slaski (Euro 2012) (55k) - unknown ( stadium is being rebuilt for almost 10 years )
Bialystok City stadium (22,5k) - est. 50 milion euro ( class 3 stadium )
Zabrze ( 30k ) - est. 50 milion euro ( class 3 stadium )
Lubin ( 16k ) - 30 milion euro
Torun Speedway stadium (15k) - 25 milion euro
Sorry if I missed something.
Qaabus December 24th, 2008, 08:25 PM Compararison of construction prices in the EU and some other countries for 2007 by Eurostat. (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-08-114/EN/KS-SF-08-114-EN.PDF) Construction in Poland does seem rather expensive considering its level of economic development.
desmo December 24th, 2008, 10:37 PM Cost of stadium in Poland that are under construction or planned.
Warsaw National Stadium (Euro 2012 ) (56k ) - est. 300-400 milion euro ( Elite class )
Warsaw Legia Stadium ( 32k ) - 113 milion euro ( Elite class )
Poznan City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 45 k ) - 150 milion euro ( Elite class )
Gdansk City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 44k ) - est. 170-200 milion euro ( Elite class )
Wroclaw City Stadium (Euro 2012) (44k ) - 180 milion euro ( Elite class )
Krakow City Stadium (Euro 2012) ( 33k ) - 113 milion euro ( probably Elite class )
Chorzow Stadion Slaski (Euro 2012) (55k) - unknown ( stadium is being rebuilt for almost 10 years )
Bialystok City stadium (22,5k) - est. 50 milion euro ( class 3 stadium )
Zabrze ( 30k ) - est. 50 milion euro ( class 3 stadium )
Lubin ( 16k ) - 30 milion euro
Torun Speedway stadium (15k) - 25 milion euro
Sorry if I missed something.
That's wrong - it will be Elite class + 50€ is a rough estimate (and a wishful thinking of the city council).
Lucky Luke December 25th, 2008, 02:05 AM I haven't found any information about stadium in Zabrze being an Elite class.
Loranga February 12th, 2009, 12:37 AM inflation?
In today's times and climate 177 million/ $231 million is a good price for a 44,000 seater being built in Europe.
So what would be a good price in today's economic slump? :)
Mo Rush February 12th, 2009, 12:40 AM So what would be a good price in today's economic slump? :)
Anything under $450 million would certainly be a very good price for a 44,000 seater being built in Europe.
Alemanniafan February 12th, 2009, 01:30 AM Stadium costs are very hard to compare. Because there are so many factors and aspects that differ from country to country, from city to city and from ground to ground.
For example the new Tivoli here in Aachen with a capacity of 32.900 (when all seater 27.500) officially cost 50 million €. But it's a fairly simple stadium, nothing all too fancy. Actually the stadium itself is designed rather simple and cheap.
But now you need to consider that it's being constructed in a place that officially has the highest earthquake risk category in Germany (category 3) , the opposite side of the street would have been one category lower (2). This makes the construction of the stadium quite a bit more expensive, the entire foundation for the stadium had to be stiffened out. Plus the soil of the ground is very bad, so they had to ram thousands of pillars about 20m into the ground for the entire stadium to stand on.
So even the parkinghouse for 1200 VIP cars on this site cost another 11 mio€, which amazingly is more than 1/5th of the stadium cost... impresive, huh?
Building that stadium on the other side of the street, just because of the lower legal regulations, would theoretically have saved several million of Euros. Out of town one would have saved the cost for all the necessary measures to keep the noise down, but that of course in turn would have made it necessary to create much more parking space for the visitors.
Another major aspect in this example is, that just shortly after the contract was signed, the prices for steel went up rapidly. So building the same stadium just 3 or 4 month later would have increased the stadiumcost for the club massively. The high steel prices are actually a major reason why the Bayarena renewal is so expensive, even tough they decided not to have the gigantic Bayercross in the roof, that was originally planned.
Several other stadia in germany have also been rebuilt or renewed while still being used at the same time for League matches, which of course also has an effect on the overall cost.
So as you see, you really need to look at so much more aspects than just size and capacity to compare stadium prices somewhat reasonably.
Mo Rush February 12th, 2009, 03:11 AM I was referring to a FIFA compliant stadium.
Alemanniafan February 12th, 2009, 04:07 AM @ Mo Rush the new Tivoli is Fifa compliant with 27.500 seats.
Of course a stadium with 40.000 seats would be much more expensive than the new smaller stadium in aachen, but here I know some of the details. And what I was trying to explain with this example is that it doesn't make much sense to just look at the capacity.
Gladbach built a very basic FiFa compliant stadium with 44.000 seats If I recall that number correctly. It was built pretty cheap for "just" 86.9 Mio € (76.7 mio for the stadium itself , 10.2 mio for the ground) a few years ago, I think it was finished in 2004 or 2005. But that doesn't help much, because in another location it might be much more expensive. And meanwhile the steal prices have gone up etc. etc. etc. The current renewal of the Bayarena in Leverkusen for example on the other hand costs 70 mio€ and that stadium just increases the capacity from 22.500 to 30.000 spectators not even an additional 10.000 basically. So you see, it doesn't help much in trying to compare, because the modernisation and increase in size of less than 10000 spectators in leverkusen cost just about 6.7 mio€ less than the construction of the entire stadium in Gladbach itself.
The Stadium in Gadbach, Borussiapark (out of town by the freeway) is the cheapest one I know of with it's cost of 86.9 mio€ that has been built in the last years here in Germany. I don't think you could build a stadium for 44.000 any cheaper or more basic than that. But as I said this example is allready "outdated" and it doesn't help to compare with a stadium in that location here in Aachen for example simply because the ground is very different. Basically the same stadium built in town or on a ground that needs a different more costly foundation, or right now could easily be much more expensive than 87 mio€.
>>here<< (http://www.borussia.de/de/stadionzahlen,117042,0.html) are some more informations about the stadium in Gladbach, but sadly they're only in german. But a google translation might help you understand it of course.
Mo Rush February 12th, 2009, 04:47 AM of course there are many factors, labour, construction costs, procurements rules etc.
I was just providing a rough estimate for a good price in the EU.
Comparisons can certainly be made given the environment in a certain country.
e.g. the rule of doubles usually applies between South Africa and the UK
A 70,000 seater football stadium in SA would cost around $450 mill, where as in the UK prob closer to $900 million.
Its not exact but provides a rough estimate.
In other cases it doesnt work, e.g. wembley stadium, the might mess up.
Alemanniafan February 12th, 2009, 04:57 AM Well, if you want to get somewhat of an idea you can look at the Worldcup stadia in Germany and those mostly smaller ones that have been built since that. It should be easy to google up the costs and almost any german club with a rahther new stadium or that's building one has a nice informative website, where you can usualy also find the overal costs.
But as I said it most likely won't help you much, because there just is no simple solution to estimating stadium costs. That matter is just way to complex and much to individual for every stadium. There is a reason why so many stadiumplans have to be readjusted later on, because of exploding costs, you know. If it would be easier to guess and predict in advance that would surely not happen so often.
KingmanIII February 13th, 2009, 08:56 AM Not only do land, labor and construction costs factor into the overall price tag, so do the types of amenities--width of concourses, restrooms, concession/souvenir kiosks, corporate boxes, premium seating lounges, etc.--built into the stadium/arena, as well as building footprint and vertical circulation structures (ramps and stairwells). Part of the reason the Birds' Nest cost only about 325M EUR (425M USD) is not only because labor costs were relatively cheap, but also because the stadium was built without permanent concession stands.
Gottardi February 15th, 2009, 11:03 PM I wonder if anyone here knows the cost of a retractible roof (like Amsterdam Arena for instance).
Does anyone know how much the Galatasaray's rectratible roof costed?
ryebreadraz February 16th, 2009, 01:48 AM I know that there was a proposal to put a rolling roof in Kansas City that would slide to cover either Kauffman Stadium (Royals baseball) or Arrowhead Stadium (Chiefs football). The proposal failed in 2007, but the cost would have been $170 million for that.
The Vikings new stadium has been proposed with and without a roof. Without the roof saves $115 million.
www.sercan.de February 16th, 2009, 01:08 PM I wonder if anyone here knows the cost of a retractible roof (like Amsterdam Arena for instance).
Does anyone know how much the Galatasaray's rectratible roof costed?
I just know that the whole roof will cost 25 mily USD.
I think its so low, because chinese workers/company (same of the Birds Nest) will make it
Gottardi February 17th, 2009, 06:24 AM I just know that the whole roof will cost 25 mily USD.
I think its so low, because chinese workers/company (same of the Birds Nest) will make it
Thx for the info Sercan!
www.sercan.de February 17th, 2009, 12:26 PM Exact is 24,5 mil USD
ReiAyanami February 17th, 2009, 01:18 PM The cost of making a stadium differs dramatically by the decisions of the architect.
Pancretan Stadium, widely considered one of the most boring and uneventful design you can get:
http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio30.jpg
stadium cost: 50 million € 26.240 seats
The roof on the Olympic Stadium in Athens
http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks39.jpg
roof cost: 265 million €
CorliCorso February 17th, 2009, 02:38 PM You can never really trust quoted figures... for instance, the Stadium Of Light in Sunderland reportedly cost some £23m (€26m) but that's purely for the construction of the stadium.
Compare that to the Leigh Sports Village, with a stadium that holds 12,700 but the figure quoted for that is £83m (€94m)... but that is for the whole development, including the building of a college, housing, and much more.
Wembley is often quote at having cost £750m (€846m).. but the stadium itself cost less than half that.
Benjuk February 19th, 2009, 01:35 AM Cost of land is also a major factor.
Sunderland's Stadium of Light was built on land that was pretty much free - infact, due to local grants Sunderland only had to pay for the 'above ground level' work, and as the first tier of seating is sunk beneath ground level we actually stitched up the local funding bodies. The original quoted price is what it cost SAFC to build, rather than the cost of the entire stadium project, including infrastructure (new roads, etc.)
That said, 20 mill for a 40k seater, flat-pack style or not, is incredible value when you see how much they are paying elsewhere... About 140 mill for the new 31k in Melbourne.
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 03:59 PM the most expensive stadium in the world is Maksimir stadium in Zagreb, Croatia. Home of NK Dinamo Zagreb is being built for more than 10 years. It was beautiful before renovation, and now is destroyed because of idiotic architects :bash: :bash:. There are 4 stands, and there are no similarity between them. I was embarrassed when big clubs like Arsenal or Werder or Ajax played there, or when England played there two times in last three years.
PRICE OF MAKSIMIR IS, BY NOW, MORE THAN 100 M € :ohno: :ohno:, and there is another 100 M € at least needed for it's finishing
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 04:01 PM http://www.metro-portal.hr/img/repository/2008/04/web_image/stadion_maksimir.jpg
this is Croatian and Zagreb's ''PRIDE''
ReiAyanami March 16th, 2009, 04:03 PM the most expensive stadium in the world is Maksimir stadium in Zagreb, Croatia.
I wouldn't count on that mate.:cheers:
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 04:59 PM I wouldn't count on that mate.:cheers:
Well, it is most expensive when you look what they made of it, it is almost useless,and they could have made three or four good stadiums for that money, you need cca 50-60 M € to make 40000 people stadium with roof. I don't understand how UEFA and FIFA let my national team and my favorite club Dinamo to play international games
I know that Wembley, Beijing Bird's nest and other like those are mush more expensive than Maksimir
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 05:04 PM http://www.triera.net/upload/ture_avanture/maksimir_show.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Stadion_Maksimir_-_ju%C5%BEna_tribina.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/vanityprojectfanzine/football/dinamo002.jpg
more pics of this most expensive world's ruin :ohno:
ReiAyanami March 16th, 2009, 05:49 PM ^^This doesn't cost 100 million Euro, but if you have spend really that much then a few contractors and maybe politicians are 90 million richer....although I find hard to believe even that.
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM ^^This doesn't cost 100 million Euro, but if you have spend really that much then a few contractors and maybe politicians are 90 million richer....although I find hard to believe even that.
well, it's like this. for 7 kunas (croatian currency kuna, kn) you can get 1 €, and by now it's been spent cca 600-700 M kn. And cca 1 B kn ( more than 100 M €) is needed for it to be finished. There are argues should it be finished or they should build a brande new stadium. BBB, Dinamo's fans and board declared for staying in Maksimir, so am I, but city wants to move it to the Zagreb's suburb called Kajzerica (Volcano stadium is in plans) or on Lanište (new Arena is built there).
ReiAyanami March 16th, 2009, 07:48 PM ^^I was talking about the possibility of corruption in cases like the one you described, but never mind.
Livno80101 March 16th, 2009, 10:39 PM ^^I was talking about the possibility of corruption in cases like the one you described, but never mind.
I see the point, and there is corruption too in Croatia:ohno:
parcdesprinces August 17th, 2009, 06:54 PM A country like Ukraine has built a more modern stadium than those built in a rich country like France.
Sure, but for a much lower cost than some 20/30K stadiums in France........
Lille stadium is a right example, same size of Donbass, but for 4 times its cost.....
Think about that !
In wealthy countries, workers are payed, for example : I mean more than €200/400 per month...... And they have rights !!!!!!
You already know that France is a mix between Soviet Union and North America :lol:.
Damn communists we are :bash: with our silly "Welfare State" and our silly, silly "Universal Health Care" :bash: .
And guess what: All that have a HUGE cost..so sorry for our poor stadiums built one by one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As it's worldwide known, France is different, we have another vison of life and another world vision.... :bowtie:
So, sorry again, if stadiums are the least of our worries.... (BTW not mine)
edit: You forgot the Stade de France which is not so bad... (81K, largest videoscreens in Europe, 10,000 business seats, and 172 suites, for example)
vanbasten August 17th, 2009, 07:05 PM Lille stadium is a right example, same size of Donbass, but for 4 times its cost.....
Lille stadium cost 1.6 bln. $ ? Fantastic... :)
parcdesprinces August 17th, 2009, 07:20 PM As far I saw on the internet (And I've already posted about that in this thread), so correct me if I'm wrong :
Donbass : €175 million ($249m)
Lille : €700 million ($994m)
vanbasten August 17th, 2009, 07:33 PM As far I saw on the internet (And I've already posted about that in this thread), so correct me if I'm wrong :
Donbass : €175 million ($249m)
Lille : €700 million ($994m)
Stadium - $400 mln. + $30mln. - for the surroundings of the stadium (Park zone).
parcdesprinces August 17th, 2009, 07:50 PM Thanks for infos :) !
but it won't change my defense :lol: (Lille stadium cost is still twice Donbass' one)
NMAISTER007 August 17th, 2009, 08:40 PM Thanks for infos :) !
but it won't change my defense :lol: (Lille stadium cost is still twice Donbass' one)
The cost doesn't really matter. You can build a bad stadium with a lot of money. The design and the technology of the stadium matters more.
Bandera August 17th, 2009, 09:49 PM Look at New York Yankees stadium for 1.5 billion, but it still looks like crap!
VelesHomais August 17th, 2009, 09:53 PM Exactly. Or the new giants stadium for billions of dollars.
parcdesprinces August 17th, 2009, 10:16 PM The cost doesn't really matter. You can build a bad stadium with a lot of money. The design and the technology of the stadium matters more.
Of course, design is important, but the cost also, especially in France, because stadiums (most of them) are payed by municipalities/public authorities...... which means payed by our/MY taxes...... :mad:
Since workers, here, have a decent salary, in a country where the purchasing power is one the higher of the planet, but also in a country where price indexes are very, very high .........
And since (about "technology") there is now in France, a very restrictive environmental policy (especially about stadiums), which of course, increases the final bill of that kind of constructions.
I'm 300% agree about environmental policy, renewable energy etc, but it has a cost, a huge one !
Conclusion: HUGE BILL :ohno: (+ the "unknown" cost of the French Bureaucracy of course :mad2:).
So that's also why Lille stadium will be very expensive, despite its elegant and "technological" design !
VelesHomais August 18th, 2009, 02:50 AM Of course, design is important, but the cost also, especially in France, because stadiums (most of them) are payed by municipalities/public authorities...... which means payed by our/MY taxes...... :mad:
That's terrible, sorry to hear that.
weava August 19th, 2009, 01:11 AM It seems like this thread is mostly soccer stadium costs but I will throw in Missouri's new indoor arena costs for comparison since they all should have similar labor/material costs.
Sprint Center, Kansas City (2007)(18,555)($276 million~euro 195 mil)
http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/9/92/Sprint_Center_-3.jpg
Chaifetz Arena, St. Louis (2008)(10,800)($80.5 Million ~ 57 Mil Euros
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/53/530156.jpg
Mizzou Arena, Columbia (15,061)(2004)($75 Million ~53 Mil Euros)
http://livewire.missouri.edu/2009/02/17/090214_mu_nebraska_select_01.jpg
JQH Arena, Springfield (2008)(11,000)($67 Million ~ 47 mil euros)
-doesn't include cost of new locker rooms/offices which should be built soon ; they are still using the ones in the old arena, they are connected at the basement level.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/3049078804_6bceb5674b.jpg
ChiniCR August 19th, 2009, 04:10 AM New national stadium Costa Rica capacity 35 000 ($83 million dolars)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3797/estadiobn4.jpg
diz August 19th, 2009, 06:30 AM Toronto's Skydome was purchased for $25 million CAD ($1 CAD = $1 USD)
Seats 60,000
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4618/skydomerogerscentertoroqa0.jpg
by far one of the best values.
ChilenoFutbol August 19th, 2009, 06:49 AM Monumental de Ate (80,000) - Lima Only $42 million
http://img.perucampeon.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/photoblog%20estadio%20monumental.jpg
KingmanIII August 20th, 2009, 03:00 AM by far one of the best values.
http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/no.gif
cost $500 million to build in 1989
Mr Reasonable August 21st, 2009, 03:08 PM A lots of stadium projects are unnecessarily expensive because the client starts with the architect's vision and then they find out how much it costs. You then go through a phase cost cutting and value engineering and you end up with a compromised stadium which is still expensive. The best way is to start with a design brief and a completely fixed budget based on what the client can afford and fund. You then work through "must have" versus "desirable" features to make sure you stay on budget. I know it sound blindingly obvious but I still find it shocking how many clubs don't start with a budget. An architect once said to me "Don't worry about the costs. In 10 years time they will have forgotten about the cost of the stadium and they will be left with a beautiful stadium". I said "in three years they will be bankrupt but the new owners will have a beautiful stadium".
Huskies August 25th, 2009, 04:46 PM For £126 million, Wales got this....
At 74,500 its the biggest stadium in the world with a fuly retractable roof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Stadium
not anymore ;)
fidalgo September 18th, 2009, 09:30 PM World’s Most Expensive Stadiums
Design, innovation and capacity are just some of the key elements when building a stadium.
However, as impressive as it may be, there is a price to pay.
This is Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/06/expensive-stadiums-worldwide-forbeslife-cx_ae_0806sports.html) top 10 list of most expensive stadiums.
10. ANZ Stadium / Sydney Australia / $624 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037563-10.jpg
9. Lucas Oil Stadium / Indianapolis, USA / $675 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037562-9.jpg
8. Safeco Field / Seattle, USA / $656 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037556-8.jpg
7. Soldier Field / Chicago, USA / $714 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037553-7.jpg
6. The Emirates Stadium / London, England / $770 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037549-6.jpg
5. Rogers Centre / Toronto, Canada / $930 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037543-5-1000x550.jpg
4. Stade de France / Paris, France / $974 million
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037516-4-1000x664.jpg
3. Madison Square Garden / New York, USA / $1.1 billion
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037507-3-1000x750.jpg
2. Olympic Stadium / Montreal, Canada / $1.4 billion
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037494-2-1000x750.jpg
1. Wembley Stadium / London, England / $1.5 billion
http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1253037487-1.jpg
ReiAyanami September 18th, 2009, 10:06 PM The list is pointless. Stadium costs depend on may parameters, Beijing Bird's Nest cost was what, 400 million? If the same building was build in London it would cost 4 billion.
rantanamo September 19th, 2009, 06:34 AM yup too many factors to compare.
KiwiBrit September 20th, 2009, 01:10 AM And where is the new Dallas Cowboys stadium on your list?
antriksh_sfo September 20th, 2009, 06:38 AM http://www.metro-portal.hr/img/repository/2008/04/web_image/stadion_maksimir.jpg
this is Croatian and Zagreb's ''PRIDE''
PRIDE SEEMS TOO LOW
ingstad September 20th, 2009, 04:55 PM I don't know why ... but I think that's something wrong ...
I have a sure bibliographic source about "Stade de France" in Paris.
The cost, actualized in 1998 (opening year), is about € 290.000.000 (I say EUROS) ... too much different from 974.000.000 US dollars O_O ... I don't know!
KingmanIII September 20th, 2009, 07:30 PM The list is pointless. Stadium costs depend on may parameters, Beijing Bird's Nest cost was what, 400 million? If the same building was build in London it would cost 4 billion.
Yup. Parts 'n labor, pretty much.
Bird's Nest was also built without stuff like permanent food and beverage kiosks.
sali_haci October 4th, 2009, 01:59 AM Chernomorets Arena (30,000 possible expansion to 55,000) - Burgas, Bulgaria- € 500 million!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernomorets_Arena
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Chernomorets_Stadium_and_the_sports_complex.jpg
lpioe October 4th, 2009, 03:07 AM Chernomorets Arena (30,000 possible expansion to 55,000) - Burgas, Bulgaria- € 500 million!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernomorets_Arena
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Chernomorets_Stadium_and_the_sports_complex.jpg
500m for the whole complex including the skyscrapers or just the stadium?
sali_haci December 29th, 2009, 02:28 AM The stadium is 500mil. euros..
The whole complex will cost 1 billion euros, according by the owner of Chernomorets and Petrol Holding AD Mitko Subev.
www.sercan.de December 29th, 2009, 02:56 AM 500 mil for that satdium?
unreal
It must be the whole complex.
MicroX December 29th, 2009, 06:08 AM did'nt the monumental 'U' only cost $20million?
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6897/monumental2fo8.jpg
According to this site (http://www.elpais.com.uy/especiales/Anuarios/2000/13.html), it was $44 million. The stadium needs to remove the glass fence in Occidente and Oriente. Over 9 years, it has gotten really dirty and those first 15 rows have a bad view of the field. Also, the multicolor seats are retarded.
http://kimag.es/share/77466382.png
sali_haci December 31st, 2009, 01:03 AM 500 mil for that satdium?
unreal
It must be the whole complex.
Serkancim, look at wikipedia...:)
MS20 December 31st, 2009, 02:04 AM The list is pointless. Stadium costs depend on may parameters, Beijing Bird's Nest cost was what, 400 million? If the same building was build in London it would cost 4 billion.
Pretty much. With Arsenal, the actual building costs of the stadium was about half of the final cost. It's no wonder some teams build stadiums on the outskirts of nowhere.
chooper786 April 27th, 2010, 09:11 AM I am playing the game with QPR. Had a good game going. Increased my stadium capacity to 19200, and for expansion start to get back the "board would never allow expansion due to lack of space" message. My question is how much do I need for a new stadium? Also does the loans have effect on balance fow new stadium? I have around 35 mil EU on bank, but have around 20 mil. EU loan.
wietpieter October 9th, 2011, 12:20 PM Does anyone know which stadiums are the most expensive? I
know Wembley Stadium is the most expensive stadium in the world,
followed by the new Giants Stadium. But how about the rest?
potiz81 October 9th, 2011, 01:02 PM Athens olympic stadium's cost is 256,205,333 euros (only the renovation of 2004 and only for the olympic stadium itself, not the whole complex).
http://content.asce.org/images/contrib/athensw1_001.jpg
The cost in full detail here:
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:3jSbah7SaRYJ:www.gsd.harvard.edu/research/research_centers/zofnass/pdf/OACA.pdf+athens+pdf+cost+stadium+roof&hl=el&gl=gr&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjcES9K8Vi2HfD3V0YbVI4G4XXoI03UQ7_0tXKyLT6rX_moPu58invXxRSpK3-JkF41ZyZhHEmEz6Ni6oNd-Ks859WIgofv3wGVDkuyuR8RAIzw0ycmKPJtmHbWRKd79I2TQK_N&sig=AHIEtbRr9qtqH2t6LcaKFD8helESldSyog
Kevin_01 October 9th, 2011, 01:13 PM Not wembley ?
Walbanger October 9th, 2011, 01:47 PM Some expensive ones
Cowboys Stadium $1.3 Billion
Metlife Stadium $1.6 Billion
Yankees Stadium $1.5 Billion
ANZ Stadium (Sydney) $690 million (1999)
Wembley Stadium 780 Million Pounds
wietpieter October 9th, 2011, 02:23 PM I guess the richest clubs usually have the most expensive stadiums.
http://www.stadiumzone.weebly.com
has a rich list with all sports clubs with a revenue above 20 million euros, let's take the top 5:
1. Real Madrid CF > Old stadium, but big and renovated
2. FC Barcelona > Old stadium, but big and will be renovated
3. New York Yankees > New and expensive
4. FC Bayern Munich > New and big
5. Manchester United FC > Old and big, but renovated, plans for further expansion
EquestrianClaret January 1st, 2012, 03:49 PM Here is a link to a technical paper that outlines the costs associated with the stadium construction and it also provides an example cost model analysis basic construction of well-specified regional standard stadium of 25,000 seats.
http://www.davislangdon.com/upload/StaticFiles/EME%20Publications/CostModels/StadiaFootball_CM_11Jun04.pdf
Prices in this paper are from 2004.
It'd be interesting to apply inflation to some of the earlier-built examples. In wave of stadium redevelopment of the 1990s it was common for a stadium construction to cost around £500 - £1000 per seat. However, we're now looking at 50% for new builds.
Neda Say January 1st, 2012, 05:32 PM 500 mil for that satdium?
unreal
It must be the whole complex.
Somebody just got ripped off and I'm happy it isn't me!
WorldCupWatcher January 11th, 2012, 12:01 AM Nice overview of the most expensive stadiums in 2011
The Most Expensive Stadiums in the World (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FOKnqfKI0)
WesTexas January 11th, 2012, 08:07 PM I guess the richest clubs usually have the most expensive stadiums.
http://www.stadiumzone.weebly.com
has a rich list with all sports clubs with a revenue above 20 million euros, let's take the top 5:
1. Real Madrid CF > Old stadium, but big and renovated
2. FC Barcelona > Old stadium, but big and will be renovated
3. New York Yankees > New and expensive
4. FC Bayern Munich > New and big
5. Manchester United FC > Old and big, but renovated, plans for further expansion
How is Cowboys Stadium ($1.4 Billion) and MetLife Stadium ($1.5 Billion) being left off all these lists?
WesTexas January 11th, 2012, 08:09 PM Also, how are we taking cost into effect here? is it cost to build and then add on the cost of renovations over the years or adding on the cost to keep running?
PaulFCB January 12th, 2012, 02:10 AM Why did the Yankee Stadium cost so much?
eMKay January 12th, 2012, 02:23 AM Why did the Yankee Stadium cost so much?
It costs a lot to bury mobsters.
rantanamo January 12th, 2012, 04:59 AM Why did the Yankee Stadium cost so much?
1.) High land costs
2.) ton of suites and clubs
3.) Union Labor
4.) Stone and masonry exterior >>>>> pretty much anything including glass, or just some weak exposed skeleton of the stadium
5.) Main concourse that's not an afterthought.
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