Sorry in Indonesian language

Minggu, 18 Feb 2007,


JAKARTA - Indonesia melalui Peraturan Menteri Perdagangan No 02/M-DAG/PER/1/2007 tentang Larangan Ekspor Pasir, Tanah, dan Top Soil, melarang ekspor pasir ke Singapura mulai 6 Februari 2007. Bagi perusahaan yang sudah menandatangani kontrak jual beli, ekspor dapat dilakukan sampai dengan tanggal 5 Februari 2007.

Keluarnya aturan tersebut langsung diikuti dengan sikap tegas pemerintah. Minggu lalu, lima kapal penarik atau tugboat dan lima tongkang bermuatan pasir darat ditangkap dan ditahan aparat TNI Angkatan Laut dari Gugus Keamanan Laut Armada RI Kawasan Barat. Kapal-kapal tersebut diduga akan mengangkut pasir darat itu ke Singapura atau melakukan ekspor pasir darat ilegal.

Menanggapi larangan dan sikap tegas pemerintah Indonesia tersebut, Menteri Pembangunan Nasional Singapura Mah Bow Tan menyatakan pemerintah Singapura kecewa dengan keputusan Indonesia. Kepada Parlemen Singapura kemarin, Bow Tan menilai klaim Indonesia bahwa eskpor pasir telah merusak lingkungan dan berpengaruh terhadap garis perbatasan Singapura sebagai klaim tidak berdasar.

Menteri Mah Bow Tan mengaku telah mengajak koleganya di Indonesia untuk melakukan pembicaraan bilateral. "Namun saya ragu ajakan tersebut akan diperhatikan, sebab sampai sekarang belum ada tanda-tanda dari Jakarta untuk membuka dialog," ujarnya.

Sejak Februari 2003, ekspor pasir ke Singapura diperbolehkan namun dengan syarat harus dipergunakan hanya untuk proyek reklamasi pantai. Sebagian besar pasir yang diekspor ke Singapura berasal dari Kepulauan Riau, wilayah Indonesia yang paling dekat dengan Singapura.

Namun tambahan pasir dari Indonesia itu ternyata berdampak pada posisi garis batas Singapura Indonesia. Inspektur Jenderal TNI AL Mayor Jenderal Mar Nono Sampono mengungkapkan bahwa saat ini daratan Singapura bertambah 12 kilometer (km) ke arah perairan Indonesia. Pada saat yang sama, wilayah perairan Indonesia berkurang 6 km.

Departemen Luar Negeri (Deplu) mendukung sikap Menteri Perdagangan yang melarang ekspor pasir laut ke Singapura. Pasalnya, pasir yang diimpor oleh Singapura tersebut juga digunakan sebagai dalih untuk mengulur-ulur perjanjian perbatasan antara dua negara.

Direktur Jenderal Asia Timur dan Pasifik Primo Alui Juliarto menegaskan, Permendag tentang ekspor pasir laut sangat tepat. "Permendag ini bagus untuk menekan Singapura agar segera menyepakati perjanjian perbatasan dengan Indonesia," tuturnya.

Dia mengatakan, bila tidak dilarang negara tetangga itu punya alasan untuk mengulur kesepakatan perbatasan. "Maunya mereka, perbatasan Singapura diukur dari wilayah yang sekarang. Padahal wilayah mereka sekarang kan sudah bertambah setelah mendapat pasir dari Indonesia," katanya kemarin.

Eddy Pratomo, Direktur Jenderal Hukum dan Perjanjian Internasional Departemen Luar Negeri, menambahkan bahwa perjanjian perbatasan RI-Singapura sudah mendekati kesepakatan akhir. Sayangnya kesepakatan bulum kunjung bisa diambil karena Singapura menginginkan perundingan dimulai dengan proses survei perbatasan bersama.

Indonesia sangat tidak menyetujui upaya tersebut. Sebab, beberapa waktu lalu sudah diadakan survei tentang batas negara. "Kita tidak mau reklamasi dijadikan titik dasar berunding," tegas Eddy.

Penghentian ekspor pasir Indonesia berdampak besar terhadap kelangsungan pembangunan proyek-proyek infrastruktur di Singapura. Pasir sebagai bahan bangunan dasar konstruksi membuat keberadaannya harus terjamin. "Jika tidak ada yang bisa menjamin bahwa pasir selalu ada, maka tidak ada pula yang bisa menjamin bahwa proyek akan selesai tepat waktu sesuai dengan deadline dan anggaran," kata Winston Liew, analis senior OCBC Investment Research.

Sejak larangan ekspor pasir diberlakukan, harga properti di Singapura merangkak naik di kisaran 3 persen. Bahan bangunan pengganti pasir seperti baja, dinding kering dari logam, sejauh ini belum bisa diterapkan karena belum ekonomis. Mengutip AFP, dalam jangka panjang pertumbuhan ekonomi Singapura yang tahun ini diharapkan mencapai 5,5 persen sampai 6 persen terancam gagal dicapai gara-gara terhambatnya suplai pasir dari Indonesia. (afp/nue)

The Russians use oil................Indonesia's uses sand as a political tool.....
.........the balance of power is changing

Dia mengatakan, bila tidak dilarang negara tetangga itu punya alasan untuk mengulur kesepakatan perbatasan. "Maunya mereka, perbatasan Singapura diukur dari wilayah yang sekarang. Padahal wilayah mereka sekarang kan sudah bertambah setelah mendapat pasir dari Indonesia," katanya kemarin.


Kesepakatan perbatasan dulu, that was the point:) Harus tegas dong! So, stop dulu pengiriman pasirnya....

GONG XI FA CAI!^^

^^ yup.. semakin hari wilayah singapore makin menjorok ke indonesia..

The Russians use oil................Indonesia's uses sand as a political tool.....
.........the balance of power is changing

the only difference is: Russia IS powerful.... but indonesia??? as if ....

^^v vBagus tuh.... Soalnya ferry yang mengangkut aku dari Batam Centrepoint ke Stulang Laut di JB , sering bangettt tergoncang .. gara-gara kapal pengangkut pasir itu lalulalang .... Yeah .... Soalnya kalo kalian naik pesawat ke batam... liatin aja deh ada bekas-bekas pulau yang menghilang dari perairan batam... cukup memprihatinkan ...

Indonesia is also powerful but sometimes too polite. The problem is that Indonesia is a lot richer than thought, or they got the instruments but don't know how to use it as political pressure.

The IMF reforms for example these are a pain in the as. Some of these reforms like for example the end of the Bulog monopoly and the end of the pertamina monopoly is stupid and the swastanisasi are not in the interest of Indonesia.
Indonesia should handle international politics as it did during the Suharto era. Strong, focust on Indonesia and not too much open!

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

^^

Boy oh boy
I cant blame you for saying that since you cant understand the news I've posted

The main reason behind Indonesian Govt to banned sand entering Singapore was because there was research that indicate serious environment damage since many of Indonesian small islands were gone due to heavy sand mining

And Singapore Govt start to delaying meeting with Indonesian Govt for talk about both countries boundaries. You know when Singapore keep reclaiming their teritorial keep raising and Indonesian keep declining since we lost many islands

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

Cant you explain my experience.....
1. Why I discovered so many disappeared island in BATAM and surroundings during my flight to BATAM.... ??? (I take this flight every 3 month btw....)

2. Why the sea water in some spot near BATAM even not crystal clear or shiny blue but a dark sand colored???? The violation of environment by this sand exploitation really do exists...

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

Ohh!! please!!:bash: Its not that we jealous of Singapore's triumph. We, Malaysia and Indondesia has our own success, in some part, we are greater then that Lion country. we ban sand exports bcoz it just will bring more negative to our country such as pollution and water level.

Peace.:)

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

uhh no :) if we were jealous we would of annexed it as the 34th province of Indonesia lol.

actually, the main reason for the sand ban is to get back the Indonesians (not me of course:)) living with corrupted money from Indonesia that has been VIPed in Singapore... but since Singapore does not allow the Corrupted to be extradition... Indonesia grew impatient and there goes the Sand Ban.... this is probably the first step...langkah berikutnya yang paling adalah pelarangan utk memakai sebagian aerospacenya Indonesia utk SAF jadi mungkin pesawatnya terbang cuma vertical doang hehe

^^ aren't we only have 33??

^^Anak Pinter :)

^^Anak Pinter :)


Yup! He really is anak pinter..

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

Ha ha ha, hari gini:lol: :lol: ..... Nggak lah yau!!!!:lol:

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

It has nothing to do with jealousy or anti Singaporism. Nowadays Indonesia yes Indonesia is fit to set out policy and guidelines to protect it's citizens.

That Singapore has a lack of natural resources is their problem, Indonesia has to safeguard it's interest and not the interests of it's neigbours.

Times are changing................

me personally admire singapore!...the problem malaysian has with them is...they are too greedy. always thinking they are the right side and everything they have done are based on their personal interest. very little we heard about singapore donating to other countries....for them, their money are ONLY theirs.

in malaysia and singapore...this kind of behavior is called..KIASU

that's malaysian thought about singapura.....PEACE:)

Yup! He really is anak pinter..
hehe.. dont bring some 'private' things lah sol.. :cheers:

http://www.gatra.com/artikel.php?id=102332

Jakarta, 20 Pebruari 2007 12:44

Kekesalan sejumlah anggota Komisi I DPR RI terhadap sikap negara tetangga Singapura yang coba-coba mengubah batas teritori kian memuncak. Mereka mendesak pemerintah memulangkan sementara waktu Dubes RI di Singapura.

Pernyataan keras ini antara lain dicetuskan Dedy Djamaluddin Malik dari Fraksi PAN, di Jakarta, Selasa, menanggapi tindak semena-mena negara pulau itu yang mencoba menggeser batas teritori, setelah mereka berhasil mereklamasi daratannya sekitar 12 mil laut menjorok ke wilayah kedaulatan RI.

Proses reklamasi negara itu telah berlangsung sejak dekade 1990-an lalu, terkait suatu program "Singapura Tanpa Batas", di mana mereka sudah berhasil membangun banyak sarana baru di atas tanah-tanah hasil reklamasi menggunakan pasir dari pulau-pulau kecil Indonesia.

Dedy Djamaluddin Malik dan kawan-kawan di Komisi I DPR RI juga menyesalkan sikap eksekutif di pusat maupun daerah yang membiarkan pasir-pasir dari sejumlah pulau di Kepulauan Riau untuk dikirim secara legal maupun ilegal bagi kepentingan reklamasi daratan negara kecil Singapura tersebut.

"Pemerintah harus bersikap tegas, untuk memperingatkan pelanggaran batas wilayah itu," tandas Dedy Djamaluddin Malik dalam nada lebih tinggi.

Sikap beberapa anggota Komisi I DPR RI juga terlihat sama, karena menilai, Singapura mulai berani berusaha meyakinkan opini internasional, mereka telah memiliki wilayah daratan baru, sehingga batas-batas lama harus diperbarui pula.

Karena itu, mereka menilai, tindakan ini tidak bisa dibiarkan, seingga harus diperingatkan atas tindakannya yang kasar itu.

"Kalau perlu, pemerintah Indonesia harus mengancam dengan antara lain memulangkan Dubesnya di Jakarta," tegas Dedy Djamaluddin Malik.

Secara tersirat, para anggota Komisi I DPR RI itu menilai, Singapura yang belakangan berusaha terus melakukan kolonisasi secara ekonomi dengan mengambil alih sejumlah asset strategis milik Indonesia, kini mencoba lagi dengan lebih berani, yakni penjajahan teritori.

"Semua ini tak bisa dibiarkan terus terjadi. Harus ada tindakan keras. Pemerintah harus bersikap tegas," kata Dedy Djamaluddin Malik lagi. [TMA, Ant

Why should be jealousy? There is nothing to jealous because the success of Singapore is actually a continuation of British success. I don’t think Singapore could achieve these because they are hardworking and smart. Singapore just has a good fortune geographically, because before their separation from Malaysia, Singapore which was developed by British and has almost everything, what I mean is a system to run a country. The British have developed Singapore as trading place for its benefit with complete infrastructure system such as port, airport, road, railway line to Malaya, and even city development plan. This makes foreign currency keep flowing to Singapore and flooding within the small island. This eventually makes Singaporean getting richer and effort to give good education to their new generation. And this again makes Singaporean proud of their education level.

So what they have done just to maintain and improve the existing infrastructure system. Singapore was also so lucky to be a place for processing and exporting the rubber and tin products to other country around the word. In 1930, Singapore already has one of the established ports in the word. Thanks to British colonial. What Singapore has now is the continuation of prosperity from what the British has left to them. So NOTHING TO BE JEALOUSY.

ok no more things that 'indonesia and malaysia only jealous with singapore's success!' enuff please.. get back to the topic..

Indonesian remarks linking sand ban to extradition treaty disappointing: MFA
By S Ramesh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 19 February 2007 1820 hrs


"A disappointment to us" - that is what Singapore's Foreign Ministry says of remarks by a Director-General of the Indonesian Department of Foreign Affairs, Primo Alui Joelianto on the recent sand ban to the Republic.

The Jakarta Post of 16th February had reported Mr Primo as saying the ban was a "key way of placing more pressure" on Singapore to resolve differences in extradition and some border negotiations.

Singapore's Foreign Ministry said the official reason given for the ban last month was environmental protection.

But Mr Primo's remarks now leads Singapore to wonder whether that was the main reason.

Singapore had expressed willingness to work with Indonesia on environmental protection, but Indonesia ignored this offer and proceeded with the ban.

Singapore says it embarked on negotiations with Indonesia on the Extradition Treaty and border delineation in good faith on the basis of mutual benefit.

On the Extradition Treaty, both Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong had agreed in Bali on 3 October 2005 that it would be in parallel and linked to the negotiation on a Defence Cooperation Agreement.

On that basis, good progress has been made on both agreements even though some difficulties remain.

What is needed now is political goodwill on both sides to finalise the agreements which, from Singapore's perspective, is within reach.

However, unilaterally making sand an additional issue with the objective of delinking the Defence Cooperation Agreement from the Extradition Treaty, contravened the earlier agreement by the leaders of Singapore and Indonesia when they met in Bali in October 2005. - CNA/ch


becareful of politicians who uses other things to distract the people of the real problem. u think its because of environment? sand and forest fires, whats is the most critical problem?

anyway, sand is just a tool. a tool to build buildings, a tool to reclaim land. and not use as a bargaining chips.

well, in business, if u dun supply it, we find other places to source from it.

but remmember, we treat indonesians as friends. and of cos, my girlfriend is also from medan, indonesia.

Its good if Singapore can find another source of sand
I dont want Indonesia keep losing her island and decreas the teritory

Happy ending for both
End of story

Ahh, berita dari harian (suratkabar) di Singapura memang sedari awal nggak mau terlalu kuanggap serius .. .... Tau ndiri lah sistem press tertutup yang diawasi secara ketat oleh pemerintah yang mereka amalkan.....
Tentulah, berita mereka pro-pemerintah .... Beda dengan di Indonesia yang bisa bervariasi kadang pro-pemerintah kadang anti-pemerintah ....

Its good if Singapore can find another source of sand
I dont want Indonesia keep losing her island and decreas the teritory

Happy ending for both
End of story

So do u believe everything what your politicians' say? that their agruement of taking sand can lose the islands dramatically?

and dun question them what is the real motive of the comments? they may be also the party who is smuggling sand. who knows?

My question is not whether we can find any other source, my question is whether we should always trust what politicians says? Politicians always use tools to shore up their position or monetary gains.

The last thing i want is to lose my soverniety and rights to those sweet-talking politicians. We should always be rational in every thing we believe in and not be led by the nose.

I just believe with Indonesian Goverment for it:) keep the UUD's 45 about save our land:):):) Peace!

So do u believe everything what your politicians' say? that their agruement of taking sand can lose the islands dramatically?

and dun question them what is the real motive of the comments? they may be also the party who is smuggling sand. who knows?

My question is not whether we can find any other source, my question is whether we should always trust what politicians says? Politicians always use tools to shore up their position or monetary gains.

The last thing i want is to lose my soverniety and rights to those sweet-talking politicians. We should always be rational in every thing we believe in and not be led by the nose.


Does SINGAPOREAN believe what their politician said???

Too rethorical, I guess..

Please..... the ruined nature relly do exists...... I've seen it with my own eyes.... From the flying aeroplanes... It is really real....

Please..... the ruined nature relly do exists...... I've seen it with my own eyes.... From the flying aeroplanes... It is really real....

Well said by local Riau citizen
Any further argument Mr. builder1010? :nuts:

Why should be jealousy? There is nothing to jealous because the success of Singapore is actually a continuation of British success. I don’t think Singapore could achieve these because they are hardworking and smart. Singapore just has a good fortune geographically, because before their separation from Malaysia, Singapore which was developed by British and has almost everything, what I mean is a system to run a country. The British have developed Singapore as trading place for its benefit with complete infrastructure system such as port, airport, road, railway line to Malaya, and even city development plan. This makes foreign currency keep flowing to Singapore and flooding within the small island. This eventually makes Singaporean getting richer and effort to give good education to their new generation. And this again makes Singaporean proud of their education level.

So what they have done just to maintain and improve the existing infrastructure system. Singapore was also so lucky to be a place for processing and exporting the rubber and tin products to other country around the word. In 1930, Singapore already has one of the established ports in the word. Thanks to British colonial. What Singapore has now is the continuation of prosperity from what the British has left to them. So NOTHING TO BE JEALOUSY.

FYI its not a continuation, the British provided just a start up package, a good one in fact. But Singaporeans worked hard to improve on it, and here we are today. If Singapore remained at where the British left off it would not look like this today please.

And FYI Singapore was third world by today's standards when the British left us abruptly due to various reasons which cant be helped, no offence to the British of course. To say sand ruins Indo's environment is one thing and I wont argue against that, but to say Singapore is the continuation of the British is downright wrong and uncalled for.

Please get an environmental expert to judge the case first before and listen to his detailed reply before believing everything you see. Nothing in the world is that simple. :)

Now please dont flame me, I am just making a sensible statement.

Does SINGAPOREAN believe what their politician said???

Too rethorical, I guess..

Please..... the ruined nature relly do exists...... I've seen it with my own eyes.... From the flying aeroplanes... It is really real....

I cannot say for my fellow singaporeans but then again the singaporean voted 66% for the government in the last election. therefore cld I say its not 100 % that we believe in our politicians.

but at least my politicians are not corrupt (for what they are proven in international studies) so i have a tenancy to believe in them.

Well, last year we got a bad haze from the forest fires, I really hope the politicians in indonesian can say " ban the export of the timber products" than the big corporations would not cut down trees/burn down trees to clear land. Why dun this politicians speak as loud and clear as this sand problem?

Dont make this thread out of topic by bring out timber problem etc
lets stick to the sand

And the fact is many of our island has gone and there are indication that Singapore Govt want to move their teritorial inside Indonesia. This is so much more urgent than the timber problem (for Indonesia) thats why Indonesian politicians doesnt speak as loud and clear as this sand problem

And what this problem has to do with corruption?

Okay so "non-corrupted" makes me can trust government .... The lesson no.1 for today (maybe in kindegarten or pre-school) ..

Hope god bless us .....

Ohhh, I wish I got those lesson in my pre-school ...

Dont make this thread out of topic by bring out timber problem etc
lets stick to the sand

And the fact is many of our island has gone and there are indication that Singapore Govt want to move their teritorial inside Indonesia. This is so much more urgent than the timber problem (for Indonesia) thats why Indonesian politicians doesnt speak as loud and clear as this sand problem

the topic here is environmental issues, isnt it?

the sand problem affects the coastal regions, batam/bintan/riau islands. but the forest fires affects the precious rainforest of the indonesian nation. they are the world treasures, where there are wildlife unique to indonesia. to me they are more urgent than any other issues.

singapore is a small island surrounded by sea, the island of bintan is twice the size of singapore. the distance from the main island of singapore and the nearest indonesia island is more than twice the length of singapore. i dun think we will ever reclaim that much land.

in any other way, the sand that is banned is not marine sand. it is the sand that is used to make concrete.

In addition, rising sea levels due to global warming (depleting forest and exploring of minerals) are the main causes of island disappearing around the world. So in terms of importance, I think keeping forest fires away is the most challenging of the two.

blue sky, i am just trying to have a good debate on this matter, there is no right and wrong. i am just stating what i personally think.

^^ yeah, debating (the official one) is all about HOW TO CONVINCE THE AJUDICATORS ... and the emotional of audience of course!!!

I cant believe I post my 500th post in this thread.... pity me ...

Okay so "non-corrupted" makes me can trust government .... The lesson no.1 for today (maybe in kindegarten or pre-school) ..

Hope god bless us .....

Ohhh, I wish I got those lesson in my pre-school ...


hi there,

i would really like you to be more constructive with your postings. give me your ideas and rather not make meaningless comments. the fun of forum is to weep up ideas and contribute to the debates and not making fun of people.

the topic here is environmental issues, isnt it?
Im the starter here
And as you can see the tittle is sand

the sand problem affects the coastal regions, batam/bintan/riau islands. but the forest fires affects the precious rainforest of the indonesian nation. they are the world treasures, where there are wildlife unique to indonesia. to me they are more urgent than any other issues.
Well said thats for you


singapore is a small island surrounded by sea, the island of bintan is twice the size of singapore. the distance from the main island of singapore and the nearest indonesia island is more than twice the length of singapore. i dun think we will ever reclaim that much land.

Singapore doesnt reclaim that much but our Island is missing makes our teritory decreased



in any other way, the sand that is banned is not marine sand. it is the sand that is used to make concrete.

And that sand makes Indonesia losing her island

In addition, rising sea levels due to global warming (depleting forest and exploring of minerals) are the main causes of island disappearing around the world. So in terms of importance, I think keeping forest fires away is the most challenging of the two.

And Singapore soft way of colonialization of Indonesian outer island is not important??
Man where's our national pride then??

blue sky, i am just trying to have a good debate on this matter, there is no right and wrong. i am just stating what i personally think.

Its OK,
Debate is good after all we're from democratic country as long it dont turn up to be flame war

just to side track a little, blue sky.

for your information of what has caused since the decision to ban, the sand that is imported from indonesia previously is for the construction industry, ie. sand for mixing cement with concrete. (tat is wat according to my government is saying, although i need to research whether it is true)

since the ban, the price of sand for construction has risen from $25 per tonne to $50 per tonne. this cause concerns that the cost of buildings is going to rise. (with the sudden rise in prices, construction companies suffers loses from not taking this sudden ban in considerations)

therefore, some of our construction works faces delay and over cost. and may affect the property prices

Sebenarnya poin mr builder 1010 ini adalah ....

KENAPA PEMERINTAH INDONESIA BERSUARA LEBIH KERAS UNTUK KASUS PASIR ini ketimbang KASUS PEMBAKARAN HUTAN???

Betul tidak???

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It is our govt privileges to set priority which issue we have to talk louder....

It is preety unwise to put "some country political" standard to value what kind of govt we have...

Mr. builder 1010 just said in their govt P.O.V (point of view) what Indo govt shud be.... I dunno it sounds bias to me ...

so many people O.L. today in this thread ...
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/rilham2/no_sand.jpg

Im the starter here
And as you can see the tittle is sand

And Singapore soft way of colonialization of Indonesian outer island is not important??
Man where's our national pride then??

Its OK,
Debate is good after all we're from democratic country as long it dont turn up to be flame war

ok than, i will still to the issue of sand.

soft colonisation of riau, i know where u coming from, i read articles about singapore companies investing in riau. and some natives may consider this as "colonisation"

you may read up this article:
Global City Frontiers: Singapore’s Hinterland and the Contested Socio-Political Geographies of Bintan, Indonesia
T. Bunnell*, H.B. Muzaini** and J.D. Sidaway***

Abstract
During the 1980s, Singapore’s policy-makers increasingly perceived that the continued expansion of the Singapore economy required more spaces and workers beyond the 680 square kilometre territorial limits of the city-state.
While planning to extend these limits through further land reclamation, Singapore also began to foster economic co-operation with regional neighbours, most famously in the form of a so-called Growth Triangle incorporating
proximate areas of Malaysia and Indonesia. The empirical focus of this paper is on the tourist enclave developed on the Indonesian island of Bintan, a 45-minute ferry ride from Singapore. This enclave embodies complex reterritorializations.
We specify how, despite a decade of re-fashioning zones of Bintan into quasi-enclaves and the literal and metaphorical cultivation of a tourist haven, other claims on these transfrontier zones resurfaced in the
form of resistances and and struggles over the terms of access to land and resources. It is argued that the trajectory of Bintan is symptomatic of wider transformations and epitomizes new configurations of sovereignty, urbanity and ‘gated globalism’.


well, to some it may be losing of pride. but what if these investmenst helps to give jobs to the locals and upgrade the community?

in 1960s when singapore is poor we allow multinational corporations to come and setup factories (this is a time when other nations consider them as colonisers and refuse them entry) we need jobs to survive, therefore pride takes second place. and if these companies gives job to us, there is no wrong for them to buy our land and setup factories.

and as singapore develops, we learn from them (the colonisers) and subsequently we have the means to cooperate with them and also takes stakes in their home country!

ok ok , i think we need to go back to the sand issue.

the islands that is disappearing may be because of mining of sand. it may be to singapore. i cant denied or confirm that.
and if there is a ban in this sand mining, u think it will stop these mining activties? smuggling will happens and there will not be any official records of the exporting. hence no taxes. consequently the state could not get any tax out of this.

take for example, if singapore is to ban the sale of tobacco, there will be no taxes from there but smuggling will still go on. so the smugglers will get all the benefits of the ban.


what the singapore government have offer is to make this mining more control and taking into considerations of the environment issues. we are willing to help, we have offered.

but as my previous news cutting shows, there is more than meets the eye than linking banning sand to the protecting of the environment. As the Indonesian foreign secretary has said, " because we want to presure the singapore government to sign the extradiction treaty, thats why we decide the ban"

so lets say singapore signs the treaty, would there still be the issue of the environment issue from the sand minning?

ok ok , i think we need to go back to the sand issue.

the islands that is disappearing may be because of mining of sand. it may be to singapore. i cant denied or confirm that.
and if there is a ban in this sand mining, u think it will stop these mining activties? smuggling will happens and there will not be any official records of the exporting. hence no taxes. consequently the state could not get any tax out of this.

take for example, if singapore is to ban the sale of tobacco, there will be no taxes from there but smuggling will still go on. so the smugglers will get all the benefits of the ban.


^^ Well, guess what our topics today??? Now you starts to sound like defend your country (or your politician)....... Patrioticism is good ..:cheers:

To me the highlighted line doesnt explain something to strengthen your arguement.... I guess it is only playing emotional here...

Sebenarnya poin mr builder 1010 ini adalah ....

KENAPA PEMERINTAH INDONESIA BERSUARA LEBIH KERAS UNTUK KASUS PASIR ini ketimbang KASUS PEMBAKARAN HUTAN???

Betul tidak???

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It is our govt privileges to set priority which issue we have to talk louder....

It is preety unwise to put "some country political" standard to value what kind of govt we have...

Mr. builder 1010 just said in their govt P.O.V (point of view) what Indo govt shud be.... I dunno it sounds bias to me ...

so many people O.L. today in this thread ...
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/rilham2/no_sand.jpg


ok, than i would not inpinned on what i think your government should do,

But i would like to ask you personnally, what is your priority than?

will you be spending time to protect the sand/island or the protecting of the rainforest in indonesia ( think, rainforest in kalimantan, sumatras, the people living there, suffering the bad air, smokey streets in your hometown, palembang?) considering you have to choice the most important.

^^ Well, guess what our topics today??? Now you starts to sound like defend your country (or your politician)....... Patrioticism is good ..:cheers:

To me the highlighted line doesnt explain something to strengthen your arguement.... I guess it is only playing emotional here...


hmm.

iam not playing emotional here, but a little patriotism. a debate is just like defending what you believe in, isnt it.

well, i believe the other side of the debate team would also not like to be percieve to be soft in what they stand for.

well, you may be right to say that it doesnt strengthen my arguement. nor it is my intention to. iam just trying to throw up the possibilities of the consequenses.

And since Indonesia Govt has banned sand to Singapore our Govt wont make any benefit with the rising sand price

Maybe Singapore can find another source of sand e.g Malaysia
Since our Govt have commitment not to lose any more island

And about property price
Dont forget that Indonesian still contribute the highest share of foreign property owned in Singapore

"Dont forget that Indonesian still contribute the highest share of foreign property owned in Singapore"
yeah, that i thank indonesian for having to trust us and willing to invest in us. Lippo bought my favorite singapore icon hotel (mandarine hotel) and icon department stores (Robinsons) though i wish that they are in singapore hands but i think it good and i welcome them. (soft colonisations should not be use in this case)

ok ilham_rj and blue sky,

as i have said there is no wrong or right over this issue. each of us may have his own views. my intention to post here is to state from the singaporean perspective and on the other hand

i understand the problem of your side, sand destroy the environment and affects the sovernty of indonesia.

to summaries, my stand is, YES, sand minning causes environment issues. but NO, it should not be use as a tactics to pressurise others.

but it affects me is that indonesia government should not use the sand issue to pressuries singapore to do something it wants. to the extend that to drum up this tactics, uses environment issues to stir up nationalistic emotions.

we are neighbours after alls, stop bashing small singapore.

Edited... nggak jadi ahh ...

we are neighbours after alls, stop bashing small singapore.

I never bashing small singapore

:cheers:

I never bashing small singapore

:cheers:


So do I ..:cheers:

I never bashing small singapore

:cheers:

Leave this issue to the ministers. Let the Indo person- Sg person and Indo people- Sg people relationship between be good please.

We're not the one who started it
But I agree with ignoramus

:cheers:

It is up to Indonesia to decide and free to sell the sand to who ever they like. Singapore has nothing to do with it. Ha ha… this is about business as practised every countries including Singapore.

I guess this thread title .... kinda provocative ... maybe not to me .. but others :)

FYI its not a continuation, the British provided just a start up package, a good one in fact. But Singaporeans worked hard to improve on it, and here we are today. If Singapore remained at where the British left off it would not look like this today please.

And FYI Singapore was third world by today's standards when the British left us abruptly due to various reasons which cant be helped, no offence to the British of course. To say sand ruins Indo's environment is one thing and I wont argue against that, but to say Singapore is the continuation of the British is downright wrong and uncalled for.

Please get an environmental expert to judge the case first before and listen to his detailed reply before believing everything you see. Nothing in the world is that simple. :)

Now please dont flame me, I am just making a sensible statement.

Yes agree, British had provided a start up package and very good one indeed!, and Singaporeans worked hard to improve on it. But what about other neighbors which has NO the startup package, and they even work harder from nothing or zero. So who is working harder?

I take example Malaya during British era; they have nothing except the dense jungle in the whole country. Malaya was also being rubber and tin producer, but how much they get paid?, and eventually the profit goes to Singapore island. Further more they also struggled combating the communists, and prevent them entering Singapore, and again this gave advantage to Singapore. The other neighbors like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippine are also struggling with many conflicts too. So Singapore was so lucky.

My point is, the neighbors never jealous at all as pointed out by GaryinSydney. So please don’t use of the issue of jealousy when there is conflict between Singapore and others. And Singaporean don’t have to tell other people that they are smarter, work harder, higher education and bla bla. Indonesia totally has the right to decide to stop selling the sand to protect their own interest, and not because of jealousy.

There is no way to compare the city state Singapore and the 17.000 island archipelago Indonesia. Both the Dutch colonial govt and British colonial govt had different policies, (the Dutch policy was focused on divide and rule).

The key thing is that natural resources are sensitive issues now. Not only in South East Asia but globally. Commodities are expensive and they wil continue to be expensive.
What we now see is that commodities rich countries are using these as strategic assets. And that is a good development.

The international political power landscape is changing. Where the commodities are the power is there. And in the case of Indonesia not only political power. But also the power to safeguard it's natural interest.

During the Orde Baru Indonesia was controlled by a centralized government with no eyes for regional interest and defenitely no attention for environmental impacts caused by businesses. Now after the Krismon (Monetary Crisis) and the Reformasi era we see that RI is able to setup an effective policy. And it is sad that it is a pain in the ass for some neighbours that the change within Indonesia is also affecting them. The result of years of political silence, Indonesia had a low key political profile but we will see that Indonesia political voice wil change more critical. It will play a larger role in regional issues.
It is about time. Indonesia has not only the fourth large population, it is also strategically located and
is very natural resource rich. All

Indonesia could continue export sand but then it should impose a 80% development tax to safeguard the interest of the region were the sand is taken from.

And aside from that it is proven that also Malaysia is using illegal Indonesian merbau woods which are then transported to China.

So it is not only about Singapore or about an extradition treaty. It is about stricter environmental rules to protect the natural assets of the republic.

I hope that the sand ban export will be the beginning of more political willingness to create extensive laws to limit the use of damaging activities. And that Indonesia will shift from selling natural resources to more industrial activities.

Navy seizes 13 sand ships heading to Singapore

BATAM, Riau Islands (Antara): West Navy Fleet Commander Col. Denny Noviandy said Saturday the Indonesian Navy has seized 13 ships when they were heading to Singapore to smuggle sands.

The government issued a regulation to ban exports of sand and top soil since Feb. 6 to prevent excessive sand shippings of the construction materials to Singapore.

Denny said the 13 ships carried some 39 tons of sand. They were arrested on Feb. 6 and 22.

"We will continue to carry out patrols because continuous exploitation and exports of sand will cause great losses for Indonesia," Denny was quoted as saying.

Denny said that patrols to monitor the move of cargo ships were not only involved ships from the sea, but also helicopters to carry out monitoring activities from the air.

"We need to carry out air patrols to know that ships carrying sands are moving to Singapore or not," he added.

Trade Minister Mari Elka Mangestu recently issued regulation No. 02/M-DAG/PER/I/2007 on sand export, which hampered construction business in Singapore. But there are still many ships, which still illegally smuggled sand to Singapore. (**)

If these ships continue to do the ALRI should simply bomb these ships.

This letter shows to us clearly that Singapore is cheating us ?
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Singaporean arrogance

With regards to Bernard Lim's Feb. 3 letter, Singapore vs Indonesia, I would like to make the following comments.

Bernard Lim, you are an insult to those compassionate Singaporeans who gave so generously to help the victims of that deadly tsunami in Aceh.

Our gifts of money and support have gone a long way to rebuild broken lives. Those hapless victims whose homes were swept away and whose loved ones were killed have benefited from our gifts. They can only express a heartfelt "thank you" and will be in no position to repay any favor whatsoever. We, as caring humans reached out to help our fellow people, and should not expect our favor be returned.

For your sake, I hope you are not a guest in this beautiful country, my second home for almost thirty years. Your sarcastic remarks are a slap in the face to the host country.

If you really think the Singapore government is so "gentlemanly and scholastic" in the way it does things, pray, can you explain how our Marine Police and Navy -- who are armed to the teeth with sophisticated radar surveillance systems and superb night vision devices -- can catch tiny motorized sampans smuggling cigarettes and illegal workers but can't detect huge barges overloaded with tons of stolen sand.

Isn't this sand "stolen property"? Logically speaking, any sand originating from Indonesia right now has to be stolen. The Indonesian government has imposed a total blanket ban on all sand exports. Since no taxes were paid on those illegal shipments, they have to be considered stolen goods.

Does Singaporean law condone such practices? This stolen sand will only help greedy developers build super-priced Orchard Road and Seafront condominiums. Very few, if any, ordinary Singaporeans will be able to afford such ridiculously priced property. Did our "gentlemanly" government do anything to stop these shipments from coming in? No. Singapore's response was that it was strictly Indonesia's problem.

PETER YANG
Singapore

I agree with MARINHO
just bomb all ship that bring illegal sand out of Indonesia

This letter shows to us clearly that Singapore is cheating us ?
-----
Singaporean arrogance

With regards to Bernard Lim's Feb. 3 letter, Singapore vs Indonesia, I would like to make the following comments.

Bernard Lim, you are an insult to those compassionate Singaporeans who gave so generously to help the victims of that deadly tsunami in Aceh.

Our gifts of money and support have gone a long way to rebuild broken lives. Those hapless victims whose homes were swept away and whose loved ones were killed have benefited from our gifts. They can only express a heartfelt "thank you" and will be in no position to repay any favor whatsoever. We, as caring humans reached out to help our fellow people, and should not expect our favor be returned.

For your sake, I hope you are not a guest in this beautiful country, my second home for almost thirty years. Your sarcastic remarks are a slap in the face to the host country.

If you really think the Singapore government is so "gentlemanly and scholastic" in the way it does things, pray, can you explain how our Marine Police and Navy -- who are armed to the teeth with sophisticated radar surveillance systems and superb night vision devices -- can catch tiny motorized sampans smuggling cigarettes and illegal workers but can't detect huge barges overloaded with tons of stolen sand.

Isn't this sand "stolen property"? Logically speaking, any sand originating from Indonesia right now has to be stolen. The Indonesian government has imposed a total blanket ban on all sand exports. Since no taxes were paid on those illegal shipments, they have to be considered stolen goods.

Does Singaporean law condone such practices? This stolen sand will only help greedy developers build super-priced Orchard Road and Seafront condominiums. Very few, if any, ordinary Singaporeans will be able to afford such ridiculously priced property. Did our "gentlemanly" government do anything to stop these shipments from coming in? No. Singapore's response was that it was strictly Indonesia's problem.

PETER YANG
Singapore

wahhh I read the Singapore Vs Indonesia in Jakarta Post.. that Bernard Lim was really ungrateful... that Bernard Lim said in Jakarta Post.... Let's face it my friends, it is normally those who have an inferiority complex that would feel this way! On the other hand, I'm sure you don't need to be highly educated to be grateful for the fact that Singapore has helped Indonesia, so much so that I would have thought the resources rendered to you could have better used to serve our own people!

No doubt Singapore is tiny, but don't you feel ashamed that Indonesia, being so big, always needs our help?

I LMAO at this part...always? interms of what?

^^ Kalo di ORCHARD ROAD.... coba tiba-tiba loe triak.... Yang orang INDONESIA tunjuk tangan maka 60% pengunjung akan tunjuk tangan :lol: hahahahaha

ilham ... u try leh later i angkat tangan huehuehue ^^ klo perlu angkat 2 tangan dah ... :P

Abdul Khalik, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Singapore has questioned Indonesia's move to inspect shipments of granite to the city-state, which has negatively affecting its construction industry.

Indonesian authorities recently intercepted several barges carrying granite to its neighbor. The country has stepped up its inspections of vessels leaving Indonesia following its ban on sand exports last month.

"There have been some disruptions in the supply of granite aggregate from Indonesia in the past few days .... Some barges have been detained," Singapore's Ministry of National Development said in a statement sent to The Jakarta Post over the weekend.

Quoting Channel News Asia, AP reported Sunday that Singapore's National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan told Parliament Saturday that the city-state's foreign affairs and trade ministers had raised the matter with their Indonesian counterparts, who confirmed there was no export ban on granite and promised to look into the issue.

"We're quite puzzled. We do not know how long these actions will continue," Mah was quoted as saying.

Singapore's Foreign Minister George Yeo, however, said late Saturday that the country's ongoing diplomatic spats with neighbors Thailand and Indonesia were under control,

"Although we have some problems, I believe they can be managed," Yeo was quoted as saying by AFP during a speech to celebrate the Lunar New Year.

On Friday, Indonesian Fisheries and Maritime Affairs Minister Freddy Numberi stated that authorities had detained several barges found carrying sand along with their loads of granite.

"We detained them because they were covering up sand shipments with granite. I don't know why they (the ships) are carrying more granite aggregate now than usual, but I guess the granite can be ground down into sand," he said.

Freddy said an inter-departmental team, comprising officials from his office, the police, the Attorney General's Office and the Navy, has been formed to investigate companies and individuals behind the illegal shipments.

Singapore said it was releasing some granite aggregate from its stockpile to make up for any immediate shortfall in the supply of granite to the construction industry.

"We are also proceeding to procure granite aggregate from alternative sources and encouraging the private sector to do the same. If the situation continues, we expect the price of granite to rise ...," Singapore's Ministry of Development said.

Indonesia's ban on sand exports applies to all countries and came into effect in early February. Singapore was hit the hardest by the ban, being by far the largest importer of Indonesian sand for use in its booming construction industry.

Singapore has said that Indonesia had no grounds for banning sand exports and regretted that the sand ban may be linked to treaty negotiations, calling such a move counterproductive

Indonesian Foreign Minister Hassan Wirayuda, however, dismissed any link between the two issues, saying the ban was motivated entirely by environmental concerns.

But Freddy said Friday that Indonesia would not resume sand exports to Singapore until the city-state settled pending border disputes with Indonesia.


Maybe Indonesia should also end exporting granite to Singapore. I am not anti-Singapore but the singapore govt. is complaining about the disruption of granite supply from RI. But the ALRI has to control and check all cargo ships. It is simply their job to safeguard the interest of Indonesia.
Times are changing so is Indonesia, when does the 26 billion dollar comes back to Indonesia? Or is Singapore continue to behave like a Bahama in Asia.

BATAM, Riau Islands (Antara): Commander of Indonesian Navy's Western Fleet Junior Marshal Mulyono recommended that the government also impose granite export ban because the environment impact of granite exploitation is as bad as sand exploitation.

Indonesia has banned sand export, which badly affects the construction sector in Singapore.

"If the impact (to the environment) is similar (to sand exploitation), we should also impose similar regulation to granite," he was quoted by Antara news agency as saying Saturday.

The agency reported that granite exploitation has caused environmental damage in a number of areas in Riau Islands Province like Bintan and Karimun islands. There are many water ponds with depth up to 90 meters in former site of granite mining.

Commander of Tanjung Pinang Naval Base First Marshal Among Margono said he had proposed granite export ban to the central government and the issue is being discussed by several ministries including Energy and Mineral Resources Ministry (ESDM),Environment Ministry, and Trade Ministry.

ESDM is studying on the tolerable standard of granite mining; Environment Ministry is observing the environment impact of its activity, while Trade Ministry will calculate loss or benefit from granite exports.

If granite export is prohibited, it will give further impact to the construction sector in Singapore.

Mulyono said before the sand export ban was imposed, the price of sand reached only some S$7 per cubic meter. But after the ban, the price jumped to S$70 per cubic meter. (**)

Pantai ”Buatan’’ Singapura dari Pasir Laut Indonesia

source : JPNN news (Jawa Pos group)

14 Maret 2007 Pukul 10:28

Dulu Masuk Naik Feri, Kini Cukup Sepeda Motor
Sudah lebih dari 30 tahun Singapura mengimpor pasir laut dari Riau dan Kepri. Lahan hasil reklamasi itu kini menjadi area wisata dan bisnis unggulan. Seperti apa kawasan yang memperpanjang garis pantai bertambah 12 kilometer itu?
Laporan CANDRA KURNIA, Singapura

SINAR mentari pagi memantul di atas Pantai Siloso. Sepasang turis Jepang berusia 20-an tampak berlarian di atas pasir putih kekuningan. Sang pria lalu menuliskan sebuah kalimat di permukaan pasir menggunakan ranting pohon yang dipungut di bibir pantai.

Siloso Beach Resort di Pulau Sentosa memang dirancang untuk para wisatawan nonbisnis. Jaraknya 30-45 menit dari pusat kota. Biasanya, pebisnis mancanegara lebih memilih hotel-hotel di sekitar Orchard Road untuk memudahkan urusan. Sejumlah resor dan hotel di Pulau Sentosa lebih cocok untuk mereka yang ingin bersantai, bulan madu, atau menginginkan suasana tenang.

Beberapa menit berlalu, seorang turis lain datang. Kali ini, dia memilih berenang. Sensasi yang ditawarkan adalah berenang dari pulau ke pulau layaknya para pemecah rekor dunia. Pengelola resor sengaja menciptakan empat pulau kecil —masing-masing seluas sekitar 200 meter persegi— yang terpisah dari Pulau Sentosa. Jarak antarpulau sekitar 100 meter.

Empat pulau itu memang baru dibuat. Ibarat sebuah noktah kecil, empat pulau tersebut tidak tercantum dalam peta resmi Singapura. Yang jelas, pasir yang menjadi bahan baku pulau tersebut berasal dari Riau dan Kepri. Pasir itu berwarna kekuningan.

Butirannya bercampur kerikil lembut kemerahan. Menurut informasi yang diperoleh JPNN, biasanya para pengekspor pasir dari

Dulu Masuk Naik Feri, Kini Cukup Sepeda Motor Indonesia mengoplos pasir itu dengan granit.
Satu di antara empat pulau tersebut dihubungkan dengan jembatan kayu sederhana. Tentu, jembatan itu diperuntukkan bagi mereka yang tidak bisa berenang atau memang tidak ingin berenang. Namun, bagi yang gemar sport, berenang menempuh jarak 100 meter dari pulau ke pulau itu merupakan tantangan tersendiri.

Di bibir pantai didirikan semacam bangunan mercusuar sederhana untuk tim penyelamat pantai (lifeguard). Mereka berjaga kalau ada pengunjung yang mengalami masalah saat berenang. Tepat lima meter sebelum bibir pantai, tertancap bendera merah kuning bertulisan Swim Here atau ‘’berenang di sini’’.

Pengunjung juga diberi berbagai petunjuk keamanan seperti tanda kedalaman pantai yang mencapai empat meter. Batas terluar toleransi wisatawan yang berenang ditandai tambang dengan bola-bola plastik merah.

Semakin siang, turis yang datang semakin membeludak. Mereka mengabadikan keindahan pantai tersebut dengan kamera. Serombongan keluarga asyik bergaya di atas batu-batu karang di tepi pantai. Salah satu batu karang itu pecah dengan rongga menganga di tengah. Ternyata, batu karang tersebut tiruan yang dibuat dari campuran semen dan pasir.

Yang tak kalah sibuk adalah anak-anak. Mereka membangun rumah-rumahan dari pasir. Tentu saja, mereka tak pernah berpikir bahwa Pemerintah Indonesia sedang pusing memikirkan cara untuk menghentikan impor pasir dari Batam dan pulau-pulau lain di Kepulauan Riau itu. Tak terpikirkan cara mengantisipasi implikasi wilayah Singapura yang menjorok 12 kilometer mendekati perairan Indonesia akibat reklamasi pantai yang bahan bakunya dibeli dari Riau Kepri tersebut.

Pembangunan di Pulau Sentosa sangat pesat. Jika Anda pernah mengunjungi pulau tersebut lima atau 10 tahun lalu, tidak ada akses masuk ke sana kecuali dengan cable car dan kapal feri. Tapi, sekarang Anda hanya perlu menggunakan mobil atau sepeda motor untuk masuk ke pulau tersebut. Sebab, pemerintah telah membangun jembatan mulus antara Harbourfront ke Pulau Brani dan Pulau Sentosa.

‘’Jembatan ini baru lima tahun lalu dibangun,’’ ujar Basir Suparti, seorang pemandu wisata freelance yang menjadi langganan Singapore Tourism Board, agen resmi pariwisata Pemerintah Singapura. Bahkan, Desember tahun lalu, baru saja dibangun shopping center terbesar di Sentosa: Vivo.

Pembangunan dengan bahan baku pasir Indonesia juga terlihat di daerah Marina Bay dan Suntec City. Di kawasan itu, gedung-gedung apartemen, hotel, pusat belanja, dan perkantoran tampak menjulang mencakar langit. Kawasan yang dulunya laut tersebut menghabiskan jutaan kubik pasir untuk menguruknya. Sebab, untuk menanam fondasi bangunan setinggi belasan meter, diperlukan dasar tanah yang keras.

Berdasar data Kementerian Kelautan, akibat impor pasir laut, terjadi penambahan wilayah Singapura sekitar 20 persen pada 2001. Luas daratan negara berpenduduk 4 juta jiwa itu bertambah dari 633 menjadi 760 kilometer persegi. Bahkan, tujuh pulau kecil di Singapura yang dulu terpisah sudah tersambung menjadi satu daratan. “Marina Bay City dan Suntec City ini dulu lautan semua,’’ lanjut Basir yang ayah-ibunya campuran Kendal (Jawa Tengah)-Singapura tersebut.

Meski Pemerintah Indonesia memutuskan untuk menghentikan perdagangan pasir laut, para oknum pebisnis tak kehilangan akal untuk terus menjual pasir laut ke Singapura. Bahan pasir sekarang dioplos dan ditutupi granit.(jpnn/uli) *Lihat, siapa yang licik ??????

Waktu tinggal di BATAM taon 1996-1999... Aku hampir tiap 6 bulan ke Singapur.... Dan seperti biasa di World trade center (skrg namanya HARBORFRONT), aku slalu mengambil peta wisata ..... Hehehe, percaya sama aku deh... betuk PULAU utamanya terus BERUBAH

Kalian semua tahu PULAU BRANI ???? Pulau antara Pulau utama dengan SENTOSA??? jaman aku kecil dulu.... pulau itu terpisah... bisa dilihat dengan jelas dari Mount Faber - Sentosa Merlion Cable Car. Pulau Sentosa kini bahkan telah terhubung secara langsung dengan pulau UTAMA......

Kalian tahu PULAU UBIN???? Pulau di atas Pulau utama di selat johor..... skrg PULAU itu tlah menyatu dengan daratan utama singapur...

Kalian tahu kawasan selatan JURONG???? sekarang kawasan itu udah berupa daratan yang luar biasa luasnya :ohno:..... padahal dulu nggak ada.... :ohno: Belum lagi kawasan CHANGI ....

Aku bukan memprovokasi, tapi cuman memberitahukan apa yang kutahu....

PLEASE NO MORE things like this ....please .... :cry:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/990/kepri100307qg9.jpg
One islands nature were destroyed due to sands exploration, If you take flight to BATAM, you will explore some islands has been under-sea level

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9628/pulainipah11307qa8.jpg
Nipah island is INdonesia territorial area... THe islands were the sign of Indonesia-Singapore border.... The island is almost disappearing due to sand exploration. Last year govt do something, they addes the SEA-BARRIER, and also put some "mercusuar" (search-light) with an INDONESIA TERRITORY sign .... How about Indonesia border if this island disappears ???

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9236/tongkang103207jq3.jpg
"They" moves the sand using those ship (I mean "those" is at the backgroud"

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3834/penambangan103207cr6.jpg
Granite exploration in KARIMUN ISLANDS, "They" illegally imports this, since the granites were covered with sand.. KARIMUN ISLANDS were so small, and the ruined natures can be this big .... huaaaaa :cry:

^^ itu pulau apa?? smoga bukan nipah.. soalnya jalan rumah gwe jalan nipah.. nanti kena sial lagi.. hehehe

^^ itu pulau apa?? smoga bukan nipah.. soalnya jalan rumah gwe jalan nipah.. nanti kena sial lagi.. hehehe

Yang udah tinggal pasir dan dibatasi dengan SEA-BARRIER itu adalah pulau NIPAH .

Speechless

:eek:

Btw, looks like now Singapore get new source of sands from Vietnam

Let's face it - its pure jealousy of Singapore's success that prompts Indo & Malaysia to ban sand exports!!

Yes agree, British had provided a start up package and very good one indeed!, and Singaporeans worked hard to improve on it. But what about other neighbors which has NO the startup package, and they even work harder from nothing or zero. So who is working harder?

I take example Malaya during British era; they have nothing except the dense jungle in the whole country. Malaya was also being rubber and tin producer, but how much they get paid?, and eventually the profit goes to Singapore island. Further more they also struggled combating the communists, and prevent them entering Singapore, and again this gave advantage to Singapore. The other neighbors like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippine are also struggling with many conflicts too. So Singapore was so lucky.

My point is, the neighbors never jealous at all as pointed out by GaryinSydney. So please don’t use of the issue of jealousy when there is conflict between Singapore and others. And Singaporean don’t have to tell other people that they are smarter, work harder, higher education and bla bla. Indonesia totally has the right to decide to stop selling the sand to protect their own interest, and not because of jealousy.

first of all sorry for a bit off topic

agreed with hailer point of view. all the problems regards to spore with her neighbours cannot JUST be caused by jealousy. Malaysia has love-hate relationship with Spore. Some of the issues consists of water supply and air space of Johore (spore airforce used for practice for their pilots and aircrafts).

very sad with a comment from Gary. such a shallow comment. Spore is advance in almost many things (education, economy, trade, transportation), thus the neighbouring countries gain a lot in term of for example economic and trade relation with Spore.

Other neighbouring countries dont just sabotage Spore sands, water supply and others just because of jealousy. Sometimes when Indonesia stands for her right to protect her environment by stopping supplying sand to Spore, they are called the jealous one. Indo govmt has critical issues such as forest fire which introduce haze, and i guess other many things.

Spore on the other hand should have a responsibility on this matter. You are now in a very comfortable position in Asia and the rest of the world. I'm just wonder what is the critical issue in Spore right now? Problem people peeing in the lifts, littering, or no space at all to build another world class casino.

This issue is about environment, it is also involves politics and sorry if there is defensiveness on both sides but just one thing.....


Spore u are small in size but nevertheless u r the jewel in this region. Dont turn from shimmering jewel to a small tumor/cancer that affects others and bring disease. :ohno:

Holy shit!

Look at the massive damage. It's a crime this sort of exploration.

This is so bad. I hope that the international media can get some of this.

Sandy Singapore is Stealing Indonesia's Soil.

PLEASE NO MORE things like this ....please .... :cry:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/990/kepri100307qg9.jpg
One islands nature were destroyed due to sands exploration, If you take flight to BATAM, you will explore some islands has been under-sea level

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9628/pulainipah11307qa8.jpg
Nipah island is INdonesia territorial area... THe islands were the sign of Indonesia-Singapore border.... The island is almost disappearing due to sand exploration. Last year govt do something, they addes the SEA-BARRIER, and also put some "mercusuar" (search-light) with an INDONESIA TERRITORY sign .... How about Indonesia border if this island disappears ???

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9236/tongkang103207jq3.jpg
"They" moves the sand using those ship (I mean "those" is at the backgroud"

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3834/penambangan103207cr6.jpg
Granite exploration in KARIMUN ISLANDS, "They" illegally imports this, since the granites were covered with sand.. KARIMUN ISLANDS were so small, and the ruined natures can be this big .... huaaaaa :cry:

Gila ya.. kaya open pit mine.. pohon2nya hilang semua. So sad.

Boleh diminta lagi ngga ya pasirnya? hehehe

Gila ya.. kaya open pit mine.. pohon2nya hilang semua. So sad.

Boleh diminta lagi ngga ya pasirnya? hehehe


Gimana caranya yach :lol:

Di atasnya udah dibangun gedung-gedung sih.... Nanti ku-posting-in gambar lagi yang ada kaitannya dengan thread ini ....