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bubomb

May 7th, 2005, 08:50 PM

Here is Glasgow Rangers stadium, known as Ibrox -

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and here's celtics stadium, known as parkhead -

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celtic fans celebrate in the street after an important game -

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PHXbevo

May 7th, 2005, 09:34 PM

MoreOrLess

May 7th, 2005, 09:47 PM

Both those stadium are awesome in their own right, but it is very alarming to anyone to see the obvious social-economic discrepancy between the two sides and its fans, i.e. protestants v. catholics.

nice post

I somehow guess that bubomb might just be a Rangers fan and so not keen on showing Parkhead in the best light. :runaway:

Sparks

May 7th, 2005, 09:49 PM

Best pictures of a stadium ever posted for the Ibrox set. Hats off stadionwelt.de and bubomb for posting them.

Without wanting to offend Celtic fans, Parkhead really is in a poor area and that's proberly being kind.

PHXbevo

May 7th, 2005, 10:19 PM

I somehow guess that bubomb might just be a Rangers fan and so not keen on showing Parkhead in the best light. :runaway:

well, in his defense, they are mostly from the same source

The Boy David

May 8th, 2005, 02:32 AM

bubomb I find your post and selection of pictures to be extremely offensive.

You have without doubt chosen the best pictures of Ibrox, and the worst pictures of Parkhead.

I have no problems with you being a Rangers fan, or a bigot, but to post this drivel in a website dedicated to the appreciation of such structures is a disgrace.

I object mostly of all to the pictures posted of drunken Celtic fans after a game (of which I admit there are many). This tactic could heavily backfire on you, if I was to lower myself to your level.

I feel ashamed that you have lowered the reputation of Scotland as a whole on the World Forums of Skyscraper City.

However not to be out done, one must be reminded that the official capacity of Ibrox is 50,411.

The official capacity of Parkhead is a substantially larger 60,982.

So in terms of sheer size, Parkhead wins hands down.

The surrounding area of Parkhead is extremely impoverished - a dreadful situation for such an up-and-coming European city. But Ibrox and Govan are no better. I shall not lower myself to posting pictures of the Govan area as you have of Parkhead.

One should also know that Celtic Park was voted as the most atmospheric stadium in the UK by BBC Radio 5 live. Ibrox was not even a contender.

Lastly, some pictures. It has to be noted that only the old, and smallest stand was shown in bubombs collection, and so I will post some pictures of where I sit every week to watch Celtic Play. I think you will find it much more impressive than Ibrox:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/P1220025.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/P1220031.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/P2200043.jpg

From a couple of other angles
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/StrathclydeCelticLge.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/CelticPark6.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/celticpark4.jpg

I think that shows Parkhead in a better light.

BUT. The Icing on the cake is this:

http://www.lonestarceltic.com/

Go down to the bottom of the page where it says YNWA Vs Barcelona underneath the Champions picture.

I guarentee that this video WILL move you. It was sang on the night of the Madrid train bombing for Spain as we where playing Barcelona (we won that game). The Spainish media said that they had never experienced anything like it before, and were touched by the sheer compassion of the Celtic fans. Absolutely breath taking - I was almost in tears, the emotion was incredible.

Ibrox will never even come close to this.

If you watch the video, you will see why.

skog

May 8th, 2005, 02:59 AM

TheRangers

May 8th, 2005, 03:23 AM

How can you possibly say Celtic Park is better than Ibrox because it holds 10,000 more fans? Rubbish.

All I have to say to you mate is which stadium has a Uefa 5 star rating and which stadium doesn't even have a 4 star rating?

Enough said on that!

As for your so called great fans...where were they when Rangers were dominating Scottish football and Celtic couldn't even finish above Motherwell?

Just because you do a good sing song at the stolen You'll never walk alone from Liverpool fans, doesn't mean you are a great support. Here...I have a better picture for you people.

This is Celtic Park with 5 minutes to go last weekend after Hibernian scored to make it 3-1....

http://img133.echo.cx/img133/349/failthulthrunthru9yk.jpg

What's the song you sing? "We're Celtic supporters, faithful through and through"? Don't make me laugh!

Post pictures of the Govan area mate, because they are no where near as bad as Parkhead and you know it!

Didn't a part of Celtic Park fall apart a few years ago? Did you forget that? Very convenient don't you think?

The only good thing about your piggorie is the exit!

TheRangers

May 8th, 2005, 03:25 AM

I have to agree with you Boy David.

Fair enough showing nice picture of the executive lounges of Ibrox, but to then show rubbish in the street at Parkhead and fans being arrested is stupid, and i think it is a shame that people choose to use a forum about architecture to push their bigoted agenda.

Sure the green half og Glasgow is poorer, but while bigoted people will use that against a people it actually undermines the bigots themselves in the eyes of any neutral person. It says a lot more about British society if you ask me.

:cheers1:

Why are you calling the guy who posted the orginal message a bigot? He has said nothing bigoted!

It angers me how every Rangers and Celtic fan are bigots to the outside world. Both sets of support have a small minority who drag the club down. Not every supporter!

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 05:16 AM

"the sheer compassion of the Celtic fans" after a terrorist bombing??

How Ironic!!

P.S - How am I a bigot? Posting photos of fans and stadiums makes you a bigot?? Only one person on the forum brought up bigotry for absolutely no reason, and what team does he support? Please don't bring this thread down with your persecution nonsense. Post some pictures of stadiums and act like a normal human being for once. Just for the record, I support St.Mirren.

C'mon the buddies

The Boy David

May 8th, 2005, 12:50 PM

All I have to say to you mate is which stadium has a Uefa 5 star rating and which stadium doesn't even have a 4 star rating?
Alas, and not surprisingly so, you have missed the point. I did not attempt to say that Celtic Park's facilities are better than Ibrox - it is a well known fact that Ibrox leads the way on this front.
I remember though when the President of UEFA came to Celtic Park to present the Celtic Supporters with the UEFA Fair Play Award for our incredible behaviour in Seville (remember? the UEFA cup final?), he said that he would love the Champions League Final to be hosted in Celtic Park, and couldnt understand why we did not have a five star rating....

As for the pictures of Govan. No. This is a forum about Stadiums and Sports Arenas. Govan has no place here. Neither does Parkhead.

Bubomb I will give you credit for your resourceful collection of pictures. It is true that many Celtic Fans left early that day. I did not.
Sadly I dont have the hard facts to back this up, but I remember hearing that while Celtic was in the Midst of their own 9 in a row period, the attendance at Ibrox rarely rose above 10,000. An Urban Legend, maybe, but one that wouldnt surprise me.

During something of a storm, yes, ONE piece of non-load bearing Covering fell off. Your Point is? I urge you to remember that we did not have the bottomless financial pit that is David Murray to dip into to build our stadium.

St Mirren, eh? Good for you. Then why the heavy bias towards Rangers? Please - I am no idiot. Every person in Scotland who does not support one of the Old Firm has his/her preference of teams when it comes to Celtic and Rangers. The reasoning behind this is not impressive, but it is the case none the less. If you "lean" toward Rangers more than Celtic, then I have no problem with that.

BUT. To pretend you are a neutral in all of this is not impressive. The pictures you have posted so far have been a testement to this fact.

As for this:
"the sheer compassion of the Celtic fans" after a terrorist bombing??

How Ironic!!
You are nothing but a fool. Not bigoted, eh? Very good. Comments like that sadden me.

If you have watched the video I suggested, then I would love you to honestly say that you were not impressed by it. Rangers Fans can only dream of such a display. Only Dream.

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 01:13 PM

"attendance at Ibrox rarely rose above 10,000."

an urban legend indeed. In the 60's Rangers and celtic averaged huge crowds, with many games over 80000 (Rangers highest ever gate is 118000, although that wasn't in the 60's)

even during Rangers poorest league days (early 80's), they still averaged the highest gates in Scotland. In fact, until parkhead was expanded and the capacity made 10000 larger than Ibrox, celtic had never once averaged a higher gate than Rangers (even during celtics 9 in a row)

As for your continual use of the bigot word. We all know who is the real bigot here. Everybody in Scotland finds the idea of Celtic fans trying to be sympathetic towards terrorist victims nauseating, for reasons we both know why.

The photos I posted are mainly from the same site, and actually show parkhead in a better light than normal. If you don't want to post photos and instead want to play the 'oppressed victim', then could you do it elsewhere. (I recommend etims.net)

The camera never lies. Instead of throwing your toys out the pram, act like a normal person and post some pics.

"Every person in Scotland who does not support one of the Old Firm has his/her preference of teams when it comes to Celtic and Rangers"

That is why most non old firm fans hate Rangers and celtic. Arrogance and ignorance at it's highest levels. 99% of non old firm fans couldn't care less about Rangers and celtic.

P.S - why would Rangers fans dream about singing Liverpool songs?

Be_Happy

May 8th, 2005, 01:34 PM

As someone who used to work at Ibrox stadium and a non-football fan, I would agree that the area of Ibrox and Govan is generally nicer than Parkhead. Ibrox stadium is more aesthetically pleasing also.

However, Celtic does seem to have the better support in my opinion, who are generally better behaved than Rangers fans. I am under the impression that it is the Rangers support which causes mst of the trouble. This is probably very off the mark, but i'm afraid this is that way it comes across in the media. Celtic fans also recieved an award for best fans or something like that. Rangers fans didn't. It is generally agreed that Celtic park has the better atmosphere, also.

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 01:49 PM

It is way off the mark, but it is the way it comes across in the media.

Remember a few years ago when Rangers won the league at Parkhead, the fans were on the pitch attacking the ref, the ref got pelted with coins and needed stitches (as did a Rangers player at Parkhead a few weeks ago). Celtic fans also tried to attack they Rangers players when they left the pitch. Thay also smashed the referees homw windows and a celtic fan threw himself off the second tier for reasons unknown. More recently, celtic fans attacked kids, women (even pregnant women) when they lost the league on the last day in Kilmarnock. As a result, Kilmarnock had to totally overhaul their security arrangements for all games involving celtic.

When celtic lose, the toys come out the pram. They have always been bad bad losers.

Be_Happy

May 8th, 2005, 02:02 PM

@ bubomb and The Rangers;

Why don't you post in the Glasgow forums. Arguing about which stadium is best and which fans are the best behaved is boring. Come discuss our fine city in our own wee SSC home :) :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=492

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 02:10 PM

you posted -

"As someone who used to work at Ibrox stadium and a non-football fan, I would agree that the area of Ibrox and Govan is generally nicer than Parkhead. Ibrox stadium is more aesthetically pleasing also.

However, Celtic does seem to have the better support in my opinion, who are generally better behaved than Rangers fans. I am under the impression that it is the Rangers support which causes mst of the trouble. This is probably very off the mark, but i'm afraid this is that way it comes across in the media. Celtic fans also recieved an award for best fans or something like that. Rangers fans didn't. It is generally agreed that Celtic park has the better atmosphere, also."

then you posted -

"Arguing about which stadium is best and which fans are the best behaved is boring"

Has the irony set in yet? or do you admit to being boring?

I will however post some nice pics of my home town, Bearsden, in the Glasgow forum, as the old firm stadium posts tend to get ruined by old firm fans.

TheRangers

May 8th, 2005, 02:52 PM

Alas, and not surprisingly so, you have missed the point. I did not attempt to say that Celtic Park's facilities are better than Ibrox - it is a well known fact that Ibrox leads the way on this front.
I remember though when the President of UEFA came to Celtic Park to present the Celtic Supporters with the UEFA Fair Play Award for our incredible behaviour in Seville (remember? the UEFA cup final?), he said that he would love the Champions League Final to be hosted in Celtic Park, and couldnt understand why we did not have a five star rating....

I remember Seville and the 100 billion million trillion gazillion fans you took there! See this incredible behaviour your fans had during that UEFA cup run, was it only UEFA who saw it?

How about the fans that forced a boeing 747 to make an emergency landing after riots 35,000 feet in the air? or perhaps the riots involving thousands of Celtic fans in Vigo Airport? Or howabout the trouble in Stuttgart? Or how about the drunk half naked Celtic fans lying about "out their head" as the saying goes, in Seville....hardly a great advert for Scottish football or Scotland as a whole is it?

The only reason you were awarded this prize was because you were runners up to Porto in the final. If you hadn't made the final you wouldn't have received the prize. Also stop going on about it! It was 2 years ago!

During something of a storm, yes, ONE piece of non-load bearing Covering fell off. Your Point is? I urge you to remember that we did not have the bottomless financial pit that is David Murray to dip into to build our stadium.

So you admit Celtic Park is cheaply built using cheap materials and lot's of cheap imports? :)

If you have watched the video I suggested, then I would love you to honestly say that you were not impressed by it. Rangers Fans can only dream of such a display. Only Dream.

Only dream? What holding up scarves and banners while singing a song? You mean the same way we used to do it at the old Ibrox whilst singing 'Rule Britannia'?

It appears to me you are very young, am I correct? As for the stolen 'You'll Never Walk Alone' from Liverpool fans, why the hell would I want to sing that? I could show you a lot of better displays than that. Celtic certainly don't have the best fans either, infact I would say Aberdeen have the best set of fans in Scotland. Rangers and Celtic are about the same in comparison.

Although it is funny to know that the highest attack victims in Glasgow come after Rangers beat Celtic, isn't it? Celtic are terrible winners and terrible losers. You can't take defeat and constantly go on paranoid ramblings.

Celtic = The Greatest fans In the World? AYE RIGHT!

ManchesterISwonderful

May 8th, 2005, 03:41 PM

Anyway.

So are there any plans to extend Ibrox and Parkhead?

Be_Happy

May 8th, 2005, 03:41 PM

@bubomb

I wasn't arguing though. Perhaps someone should get you a dictionary for your birthday.

eddyk

May 8th, 2005, 04:06 PM

http://www.rampantscotland.com/glasgow/graphics/ibrox2703g.jpg
http://www.fisher.worldonline.co.uk/Stadium%20Pictures/Ibrox%20Stadium.jpg

Carter

May 8th, 2005, 05:47 PM

This is getting boring, so knock it off...you all sound like a couple of old ladies who have nothing better to do then complain about your neighbours, which incidently, you are.
Rangers and Celtic both suck, why don't you go suck together?
So shake hands or shut up.
(I agree with boy david though)

Cart,

DaveF

May 8th, 2005, 06:42 PM

Both those stadium are awesome in their own right, but it is very alarming to anyone to see the obvious social-economic discrepancy between the two sides and its fans, i.e. protestants v. catholics.

nice post

The surrounding area is not down to the fans - the majority of both don't live in the immediate area (The stadia are only about 4 miles apart anyway).

The pictures of the fencing and waste land around Celtic Park is a real life portrayal of that area - much of the previous housing has been cleared. Also, much of it in the immediate area is owned by Celtic (The footprint before redevelopment was much bigger at each end), and I guess there is no return in concrete and tarmac

Both Ibrox and Hampden hav acres of tarmac outside the stadia.

The redeveloped Celtic Park was built to a budget, which meant that there was not the 'finishing touches' in terms of cladding etc - hence it's more utilitarian appearance.

It's strange that a city of 800,000 people has three stadiums of 50,000+ capacity - any pics of Hampden?

TheRangers

May 8th, 2005, 06:47 PM

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 07:26 PM

The Boy David

May 8th, 2005, 09:06 PM

What was the final score that day? :)
Final score? 1-0 Celtic, Thompson screamer in the 85th minute. I trust you will remember that goal well :)

The Boy David

May 8th, 2005, 09:48 PM

On average, Celtic fans are less wealthy than Rangers fans. If you go into the nice areas in Glasgow & suburbs, it is mainly Rangers fans, whereas Celtic fans tend to reside in 'deprived' housing estates. Of course this is on average - not all celtic fans are unemployed people who live in council houses, and not all Rangers fans live in decent areas with decent jobs. However, the 2 stadiums DO reflect the difference in wealth of the fans. I live in Bearsden, not many celtic fans round here.
You have quite a way with words, Mr bubomb. You're not a politician, are you? :)
Anyway, again, you're lack of common decency and stereotyping angers me to say the least. Next you'll be saying we all farm potatoes aswell, no?

Show me the statistics that prove your attendance was as good as you say it was, and I will openly admit that you are correct. Until then, I doubt your claims.

I say that you can only dream because I have been to Ibrox on several occasions (splendid stadium inside and out - of that there is no doubt), and not ONCE has any of your chants or songs even come CLOSE to the sound and passion of of the Celtic fans singing "You'll never walk alone". Not once.

Even the media are in agreement that no-one does it quite like the Celtic fans do.

And the behaviour of Celtic fans during the UEFA cup:

See this incredible behaviour your fans had during that UEFA cup run, was it only UEFA who saw it?

Very good. Despite your statement not actually making any real sense, I enjoyed your attempt at trying to take away from our incredible achievement. We had 80,000+ fans in Seville. That is the population of the City of Inverness. And there was not one arrest on the day of the game. Not one. How does this constitute as appalling behaviour?

Has every Rangers fan that has traveled to the away games in Europe been impeccably behaved.

No. Football fans are football fans no matter who they support and where they go. Celtic fans were commended for their outstanding behaviour in Seville. Say what you like: the award speaks for itself.

There are just as many violent crimes (some would argue more) commited by Rangers fans mate. So dont even pretend that your fans are blameless in this matter. Most of the time on the News it is the Rangers fans who have started the trouble.

The camera never lies. Instead of throwing your toys out the pram, act like a normal person and post some pics.
I did post pictures of Parkhead. I even posted a video. Why would you say this?

I laugh at the suggestion that I am "very young". I believe this is the third time now I have firmly put the both of you children in your place.

You people clearly dont realise that no-one can win this argument in its totallity. This is an age old argument that will go round and round in circles for ever.

Lets just leave it that My team is better than yours, and Your team is better than mine.

bubomb

May 8th, 2005, 10:31 PM

Yes, celtic fans did behave themselves in Seville. Well done.

http://www.soccer-stats.com/divisions/attendances.asp?divno=5&asid=93

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/avesco.htm

10,602 - celtics lowest of the season 93/94. Parkhead wasn't very noisy that day.

Empire State Human

May 8th, 2005, 10:31 PM

These are nice old pictures of Ibrox

http://tinypic.com/50i62o
http://tinypic.com/50i6g1

Empire State Human

May 8th, 2005, 11:16 PM

The inside of Ibrox is quite special on matchdays too:

http://tinypic.com/50if81
http://tinypic.com/50iff6 From yesterday

And for balance - here's one of Hampden before the last cup final!

http://tinypic.com/50iflh

Boab

May 9th, 2005, 01:44 AM

Here's the subway loyal heading for the exits a few weeks back

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/7297/scuma38kl.th.jpg (http://img120.echo.cx/my.php?image=scuma38kl.jpg)

My what a handsome bunch,they arra peepul indeed

http://img115.echo.cx/img115/9646/526900626je3mi.th.jpg (http://img115.echo.cx/my.php?image=526900626je3mi.jpg)

Beachball Sunday!!!

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/273/beachballs7nf.th.jpg (http://img206.echo.cx/my.php?image=beachballs7nf.jpg)

A lovely aerial shot of the death star from the game a few weeks back

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2262/wholetthehunsout9ah4ls.th.jpg (http://img156.echo.cx/my.php?image=wholetthehunsout9ah4ls.jpg)

When visiting ibrox,protective clothing is highly recommended

http://img20.echo.cx/img20/1416/follow3fv.th.jpg (http://img20.echo.cx/my.php?image=follow3fv.jpg)

Yer average bear (http://www.celticaction.co.uk/movies/dedicated.wmv)

And finally...Ye can keep yer five stars/fifty league titles/fancydan hospitality cos at the end of the day we've always got this in our trophy room

http://img233.echo.cx/my.php?image=thebigcup6ep.png

The Boy David

May 9th, 2005, 01:45 AM

10,602 - celtics lowest of the season 93/94. Parkhead wasn't very noisy that day.
Ah poor lad, you forget that Celtic Park was being rebuilt at that point, and so only the old stand existed.

Also, I asked you for Rangers attendances, not Celtics. Rangers attendances whilst we were winning 9 in a Row, that is.

Next.

Be_Happy

May 9th, 2005, 01:47 AM

haha, Dave. Best to ignore the likes of bubomb and TheRangers. They just lower the tone of the forum.

The Boy David

May 9th, 2005, 01:52 AM

haha, Dave. Best to ignore the likes of bubomb and The Rangers. They just lower the tone of the forum.
Indeed they do mate. Indeed they do. At least some folk like us still manage to retain a degree of decorum when we try to put a point across though.

And as funny as I find that first picture Boab (actually, I find it nothing short of histerical), it probably doesnt do our cause any good. Cheers anyway, mate - good to see that the argument of yobbery and glory hunting can be bounced straight back.

At that I think it is time to call an end to the argument, and save what little face we have left.

benedict16

May 9th, 2005, 10:43 AM

Hello there, Celtic fan here.

First point - imo Ibrox IS a better stadium than Celtic Park, IF we are talking architecture, and correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what this forum is about, isnt it?

Secondly - the post is aboviously a wind-up, so dont take it so seriously.

Thirdly - it shows how desperate some Rangers fans really are for success, drawing on comparisons of who's stadium looks the best rather than current league positions.

Fourthly - to the person who posted the Stadium half empty 30 SECONDS before the end of the Hibs game that we could not win, do you really want me to dig up photos from last season after we had won the League before the split, or shall I leave the 30,000 attendance photos during the game in my photo vault? You decide, after all YOU are the people aren't you....

So feel free to continue using UEFA's stadium ratings as a means to get one over on us, as there will only be one set of fans laughing in 2 weeks time when the league is decided. I'm not saying we will definitely be the ones laughing, but at least with 2 games to go our destiny is in our own hands. So we have to blow it, instead of you winning it. Remember that.

TheRangers

May 9th, 2005, 06:17 PM

Final score? 1-0 Celtic, Thompson screamer in the 85th minute. I trust you will remember that goal well :)

LIES! If you look in front of the Rangers fans you can see red, white and blue streamers lying on the trackside...we did that during the 0-2 game... :)

EDIT: Not forgetting the fact that we have 2 players who we signed in late January playing in the squad that day! Wasn't Thompsons "screamer" in August/September? :)

TheRangers

May 9th, 2005, 06:23 PM

TheRangers

May 9th, 2005, 06:26 PM

Ah poor lad, you forget that Celtic Park was being rebuilt at that point, and so only the old stand existed.

Also, I asked you for Rangers attendances, not Celtics. Rangers attendances whilst we were winning 9 in a Row, that is.

Next.

You played at Hampden when Celtic Park was getting re-built. Plus the fact is you can't turn it against Rangers fans because once again...we don't go around claiming to be "The Greatest Fans In The World" (c) Timmy...now do we? :)

TheRangers

May 9th, 2005, 06:42 PM

I say that you can only dream because I have been to Ibrox on several occasions (splendid stadium inside and out - of that there is no doubt), and not ONCE has any of your chants or songs even come CLOSE to the sound and passion of of the Celtic fans singing "You'll never walk alone". Not once.

Even the media are in agreement that no-one does it quite like the Celtic fans do.

Och sheest. Aye you are correct Celtic fans singing the stolen "You'll Never Walk Alone" is quite special but how can you claim that it's better than anything Rangers have ever done? Since you have the habit of asking for facts, well I'm going to ask you the same, prove that!

Why is it most champions league stars that come to Ibrox seem to always comment on our atmosphere? Buffon, Crespo, Prso, Veron, Roy Keane, Scholes, Half of the Stuttgart team (who incidently made no such comment when they played Celtic in the UEFA cup the year before!) and quite a few more people.

Both fans are very passionate with great atmospheres so don't claim it's all Celtic.

And the behaviour of Celtic fans during the UEFA cup:

Very good. Despite your statement not actually making any real sense, I enjoyed your attempt at trying to take away from our incredible achievement. We had 80,000+ fans in Seville. That is the population of the City of Inverness. And there was not one arrest on the day of the game. Not one. How does this constitute as appalling behaviour?

I'm still waiting for you to reply on the comments I made about incidents before the Seville game...plus like I said, fans lying around half naked beamed all over the world with cans of beer lying around them isn't a great advert for the whole of Scotland, Celtic or the city of Glasgow, now is it?

Has every Rangers fan that has traveled to the away games in Europe been impeccably behaved.

I never said we had, so I am lost with your comment here. Then again...we don't claim to be "The Greatest Fans In The World" (c) Timmy....now do we?

No. Football fans are football fans no matter who they support and where they go. Celtic fans were commended for their outstanding behaviour in Seville. Say what you like: the award speaks for itself.

So obviously UEFA overlooked the games pre Seville when you rioted in an airport and on a plane to give this award to you then.

There are just as many violent crimes (some would argue more) commited by Rangers fans mate. So dont even pretend that your fans are blameless in this matter. Most of the time on the News it is the Rangers fans who have started the trouble.

I never said Rangers fans are blameless did I? All I said is that it's funny how when ever you lose, Glasgow's A&E departments are a lot more busier than they would be if you win. It's been proved!

I laugh at the suggestion that I am "very young". I believe this is the third time now I have firmly put the both of you children in your place.

This is a "toys out the pram" type of comment and you haven't put anyone in their place...son!

You people clearly dont realise that no-one can win this argument in its totallity. This is an age old argument that will go round and round in circles for ever.

So why are you arguing then?

Lets just leave it that My team is better than yours, and Your team is better than mine.

No because I like to argue. Plus I like how to dodged a few of the comments I made earlier. :)

dannyboy83

May 9th, 2005, 06:51 PM

Well I'm a Motherwell fan.

Although the thread title is Rangers and Celtic's stadia, I thought I'd put up some photos from Hampden, the other big stadium in Glasgow, and Scotland's national football stadium. These are from the CIS cup final 2005 where unfortunately, we got gubbed by Rangers 5-1.

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG0992.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG0994.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG0997.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG0998.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG0996.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG1000.jpg

http://www.puremince.com/photos/ciscupfinal05/CIMG1007.jpg

In case you're wondering, the smoke is from pre-match organised fireworks, and not flares or fireworks thrown by fans (like in the San Siro for example).

GASpedal

May 9th, 2005, 08:47 PM

Just wanted to say that I got a really nice impression of the Celtic supporters in Munich two years ago.
Very friendly atmosphere, though there was no seperation of both sides at the stadium entrance.

Don't know what the Rangers are like, but it really seems to me that you guys polemize a bit... ;)

daviecooperforever

May 9th, 2005, 09:42 PM

The Boy David

May 9th, 2005, 10:52 PM

WeasteDevil

May 9th, 2005, 11:03 PM

I think that you are all mad. It's like "My dick is bigger than your dick" type of an argument, when we all know that the vaginal tract is only four inches deep anyway!

Potty!

TheRangers

May 9th, 2005, 11:36 PM

You post a compelling argument, TheRangers, and you are so very up to speed with the goings on around here. I respect the degree of tact and reason that you display during this discussion.

Why thank you Kind sir... :)

And yes, you are right, it was 0-2 to your good selves! I thought id try get away with that one - cant blame me for trying can you? :)

I suppose not. It was a pretty good day I have to say. :)

But that was not the point of the picture I posted. It is a great (albeit not the best) view of the stadium, and shows the huge away support during the old firm ties.

It does indeed... :)

What was the score in the pictures that Boab posted, incidentally? :) (Two can play at this game matey)

2-1 to Celtic I believe.

Right. Since you believe that I am dodging some of your points, I will try and answer to the best of my ability, seeing as I am only a "young one". (I still dont understand the grounds on which you base this comment. I like to think of myself as "enthusiastic", not young. :)
But, as your old-firm friend bubomb has clearly stated, i probably "reside in (a) 'deprived' housing estate.", and so would naturally posess an inferior diction and come across as less learned than you posh Rangers supporters. That hurts, by the way. Im glad you, TheRangers, have not stooped so low - I believe you will continue to argue your point in better taste)

I don't understand why you have brought someone elses post into this, but hey what ever makes you happy. :)

Seville. So there were a handful of guys lying drunk on the street. And? Thats a rare one. The Scots are sadly too well known for such behaviour. And by that I mean the tartan army, not just Celtic fans. I am dismayed that you would pick up on such a petty problem as this. Credit where credit is due, no? No fans are perfect. Drunk fans are only to be expected.

The Tartan army are just as bad yes. Although you know perfectly well it wasn't a hand ful of guys lying drunk at Seville. I'm almost positive it was a mistake on your part though, one which you are very sorry about. :)

The reason the problem is picked up is because you claim to be "The Greatest Fans In The World" (c) Timmy...

You are indeed right no fans are perfect but see what I wrote in the above sentence. ;-)

As for the problem with the plane, I never heard of it. Show me an article (I love me facts, I do :)) If that was the case, it is indeed a disgrace. But again, and this is where you seemed to miss the point the first time, Rangers fans are not exactly as good as gold where ever they go. You have no leg to stand on here. Thanks for the backup, GASpedal.

I have not mentioned Rangers fans are perfect but, us, Rangers fans don't claim to be "The Greatest Fans In The World" (c) Timmy...now do we? :)

Oh and since you love your facts so much:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2573741.stm

You are correct in saying we played at hampden for most of the renovation, but not all of it. Anyway at that point Hampden was a complete dump. The poor attendances do not surprise me - what is a club without its own turf?

I seem to remember when Celtic won the league title in 2001, they came out wearing t-shirts with the words "No Excuses". Funny how things change eh? :)

Speaking of attendances - you still havent provided me what I have asked for. (I love me facts, I do :))

I think this was an argument you were having with the other guy and not me.

As for the singing - so we stole "You'll never walk alone". Big deal. You guys didnt write "Rule Britannia", did you?

For starteres "Rule Britannia" is a British song so it is free to be sung at any British stadium, any British street or any British house, yes? It's funny because you are actually the first timmy EVER to admit to me that Celtic fans stole the said song from another club! Hat's of to you timmy. :eek2:

Of all my experiences, Ibrox just isnt as atmospheric. Our Award from the BBC proves this. The video I have posted proves this. On BBC 1's coverage of the Barcelona game, the commentator, Rob McLean (.....) was openly blown away. Jealousy mate. You know that ours just sounds better :) Theres more of us to sing it too......

Isn't Rob McLean one of you? I take it you have been to Ibrox on a Wednesday night, Champions League game then?

The video you have posted proves what? That you deserve best British fans? What about the kop? What about Aberdeens red ultra display last weekend? You only sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" against the big teams anyway!

Please. Who's being childish now?

???

Prove it then. (I love me facts, I do :))

TBH with you I can't prove that as it was in the Sun newspaper a few days after we beat you in November. I know what I read though.

Anything else?

Yes.. :)

Daviecooperforever: Do you think calling Parkhead the tattiedome is clever?

I prefer piggorie...;-)

Nice pics dannyboy83

They are indeed.

Now then....Anything else? :runaway:

The Boy David

May 10th, 2005, 12:22 AM

These posts just keep on getting longer and longer.

And I cant be arsed writing another essay.

The fiasco with the riots on the plane is disgraceful - not acceptable behaviour. No excuse.

I seem to remember when Celtic won the league title in 2001, they came out wearing t-shirts with the words "No Excuses". Funny how things change eh?
??? I dont follow

Isn't Rob McLean one of you?
No, he is not.

So obviously UEFA overlooked the games pre Seville when you rioted in an airport and on a plane to give this award to you then.
Such an inane, and immature comment to make.

I know what I read though.
But I dont :) Best defense Ive heard in years, that. The Sun being an institution of high journalistic standards and reliability, of course......

You only sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" against the big teams anyway!
Sung it at the weekend there, chump.
Obviously Liverpool used it first - the song was written by a Liverpudlian afterall.
We just sing it better :)

Greatest fans in the world, you say? Maybe not. But we're certainly up there with the best of them.

And you, my friend, are not.

skog

May 10th, 2005, 03:19 AM

Let's just get something straight:

First:

The rioting on the plane happened bechause the people on board were scared shitless as the aircraft seemed to be in incredibly bad shape. It was a dodgy charter aircraft.They hit an air pocket in mid flight, sending the plane crashing down. Thankfully the pilot recovered but a lot of people panicked and most were happy to get off. That's what i read.

Second:

The behaviour of the Spanish Guardia Civil in Vigo was completely out of order.
They attacked chanting fans moving through the airport with sticks and beat them up. One of those who were beaten was a fan in a WHEELCHAIR (Son of a Celtic boardmember i think).

Third:

I would't talk about rioting if i were a Rangers fan. After all, your biggest european night in club history when you won the UEFA Cup was ruined by the behaviour of the fans who rioted in the ground after they WON.
The trophy was handed over in an office in the stadium bechause they had to evacuate the pitch, and next year Rangers were banned from european competition for 1 year making sure they would not be able to attemt to retain the trophy.

WeasteDevil

May 10th, 2005, 10:28 AM

Obviously Liverpool used it first - the song was written by a Liverpudlian afterall.

It was written by two Yanks, Rogers & Hammerstein, for their 1945 musical Carousel! :)

jonjon

May 10th, 2005, 10:45 AM

sorry but this thread is a bloody embarrassment - this is about the stadia, not all the other crap spouted ie whose more passionate, crime, sectarianism or that Rangers fans are more wealthy (possibly 25years out of date there mate!!!). i read about 3 posts and skimmed throught the rest - sorry guys this is not the forum to be deabting this.

Back to the original point and clearly those original pictures showed Ibrox in the best light and Celtic Park in the worst, but the point is Glasgow has 3 top class stadium, why not celebrate/boast about that rather than engage in this stupid bickering?

MoreOrLess

May 10th, 2005, 11:32 AM

yes there are plans to extend both ibrox and the tattiedome. tattiedome to 75000 and ibrox to get 3rd tears in broamloan, govan, copland, i imagine that would bring ibrox up to 70000 odd. though neither will happen until (and it will happen ), they both get entry to premiership. there is talk of ibrox being extended soon but that wouldnt be the complete transformation. imagine just few extra thousand, though that probably won't be for 2-3 years if at all

Going a bit off topic for this forum but what do does everyone think about that highlighted point?

In terms of the stadia I could definately see those redevolpments being filled quiet often considering that both clubs come very close to filling their grounds most matchs(both over 95% on average attendance) with the added attraction of playing big premiership teams.

In terms of what it would mean for Scottish football in general I think its hard to predict. On the one hand it would surely be good for Rangers and Celtic as they have the added interest of competing on a bigger stage without losing their main historical rival(unless one of them religated ;)). On the other you have all the remaining scottish clubs deprived of the revenue of the two biggest teams in the the league. In the long term I could see this being a postive however as they'd be competing in a competive league again rather than the current two horse race.

bubomb

May 10th, 2005, 08:02 PM

"Ah poor lad, you forget that Celtic Park was being rebuilt at that point, and so only the old stand existed"

erm, no it wasn't. If only the old stand existed, then celtic would have had a max average of 9000, as that's what the main stand held. The stadium was redeveloped later, and when it was, celtic played that season at HAMPDEN. Check the links again, did you not notice that when celtic averaged 22000, the old parkhead had a capacity of +50000.

Some celtic fan you are. (do you live in Scotland? I doubt it)

Also, I have supplied no evidence that Rangers have always averaged higher gates than celtic until celtic got a bigger stadium (I know it's true, as it used to be supplied in the 'wee red book' that came with the evening times every year), and so you say you don't believe me. Fair enough (as I can't show you the book). BUT, you also have absolutely no evidence that Rangers averaged under 10000, yet you are willing to believe the word of whoever told you that nonsense. Explain why you believe the word of somebody who's claim is anti-Rangers, yet you don't believe the word of somebody who's claim is pro-Rangers. In both cases there is no evidence at all, so why believe one and not the other?

bubomb

May 10th, 2005, 08:23 PM

"The rioting on the plane happened bechause the people on board were scared shitless as the aircraft seemed to be in incredibly bad shape. It was a dodgy charter aircraft.They hit an air pocket in mid flight, sending the plane crashing down"

Jesus, that's the best one yet. I guess the highly educated and experienced pilot and crew just made the stuff up about celtic fans being totally steaming .... for a laugh. The revisionism of celtic fans never fails to amaze me.

What next? celtic fans pelted Mark Walters with flowers and petals, NOT bananas?

Both sets of fans have idiots in their support. The difference is that most Rangers fans can admit they have idiots in their support, whereas your average celtic fan wants to be loved by everybody and will always paint celtic fans whiter than white. It's simply an inferiority complex that most celtic fans have. They always have and always will. They can never admit their to blame, it's always somebody else's fault.

If their team loses, it's the ref's/linesman/sfa/masonic lodges fault, never celtics fault.

If the celtic fan fails to get a job/council house/disability benefit he wants, it's beacuse the employer/DHSS interviewer is anti-catholic/anti-celtic/an orangeman etc, not the fact that the celtic fan wasn't good enough for the job or wasn't entitled to disability benefits.

Why can't celtic fans ever take responsibility for their own actions? Why is it always somebody else's fault?

Why can't most celtic fans never tell the truth? why?

WeasteDevil

May 11th, 2005, 12:37 AM

You're all fucking wierd. Fuck off to a football forum and have this argument!

carlspannoosh

May 11th, 2005, 01:06 AM

Celtic and Rangers should look to Milan and Munich as examples. Build an 80000 capacity stadium and share it.That would please everyone. :)

JimB

May 11th, 2005, 01:53 AM

Going a bit off topic for this forum but what do does everyone think about that highlighted point?

In terms of the stadia I could definately see those redevolpments being filled quiet often considering that both clubs come very close to filling their grounds most matchs(both over 95% on average attendance) with the added attraction of playing big premiership teams.

In terms of what it would mean for Scottish football in general I think its hard to predict. On the one hand it would surely be good for Rangers and Celtic as they have the added interest of competing on a bigger stage without losing their main historical rival(unless one of them religated ;)). On the other you have all the remaining scottish clubs deprived of the revenue of the two biggest teams in the the league. In the long term I could see this being a postive however as they'd be competing in a competive league again rather than the current two horse race.

I very much doubt it will ever happen. Rangers and Celtic fans bore on about how Premiership chairmen will see dollar signs at the prospect of Rangers and Celtic moving south. But the plain fact is that the Premiership is already a huge success story. Most grounds are full for every game as it is. Clubs will be able to get no more fans through the turnstiles when the Old Firm are visiting than they already do when any English club is visiting.

More to the point, other than Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, any club voting for Celtic and Rangers to join the Premiership would be akin to a turkey voting for Christmas.

Rangers and Celtic play in a crap league but, no doubt about it, they are both big clubs. And with the financial muscle and the status of the Premiership behind them, they would soon be challenging near the top. And that would mean two extra Premiership clubs being relegated (in addition to the usual quota of relegated clubs). And it would make winning the title or (more realistically) earning a Champions League / UEFA Cup place an even more distant dream for those second tier Premiership clubs. So really, the incentive for a "yes" vote is very small indeed. The reasons for saying "no" are far more compelling.

Another argument that Old Firm fans churn out is that the precedent has already been set because Cardiff and Swansea play in the English league rather than Wales and because Berwick play in Scotland, not England. But the crucial difference is that all these clubs have always (to my knowledge) played in their current leagues. Rangers and Celtic have only become the giants that they are because they have held a near monopoly on Scottish football for the past century and a bit. Had they always played in England, they wouldn't have even half the support and stature that they have now.

One last reason for keeping the Old Firm where they are: quite frankly, as this thread has amply demonstrated, the Premiership can do without the hatred, bitterness and bigotry (of a minority, granted) that seems to follow Rangers and Celtic wherever they go.

The Boy David

May 11th, 2005, 02:28 AM

One last reason for keeping the Old Firm where they are: quite frankly, as this thread has amply demonstrated, the Premiership can do without the hatred, bitterness and bigotry (of a minority, granted) that seems to follow Rangers and Celtic wherever they go.
The more I read over this thread, the more I wish I had never got envolved.

Just didnt want to let some ape have his way and not give a fair account of both clubs.

And bubomb:
Some celtic fan you are. (do you live in Scotland? I doubt it)
Not at the time, no, I lived in Dublin - fine capital of us tattie munchers.

Good day to you, sir

Zizu

May 11th, 2005, 11:06 AM

Administrator, please close this thread!! Terrible!!

WeasteDevil

May 11th, 2005, 01:00 PM

More to the point, other than Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, any club voting for Celtic and Rangers to join the Premiership would be akin to a turkey voting for Christmas.

Surely it isn't a Premiership issue, as they could not go straight into the premiership. Surely the old firm entrance into English football would be a football league or conference matter.

JimB

May 11th, 2005, 03:30 PM

Surely it isn't a Premiership issue, as they could not go straight into the premiership. Surely the old firm entrance into English football would be a football league or conference matter.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no. The way various Old Firm officials and fans have been talking about it, they appear to want to move straight to the Premiership. As far as I'm concerned, if Premiership football is what they really want, they can earn it the same way that AFC Wimbledon are hoping to earn it - from the very lowest rungs of the FA ladder. With successive promotions, they might reach the Premiership within ten years or so.

Somehow, I don't think they want Premiership football that badly!

pal

May 11th, 2005, 03:33 PM

If I wanted to read about Rangers and their sectarian baggage I would go elsewhere. Isn't this a skyscraper forum ?

WeasteDevil

May 12th, 2005, 12:56 AM

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no. The way various Old Firm officials and fans have been talking about it, they appear to want to move straight to the Premiership. As far as I'm concerned, if Premiership football is what they really want, they can earn it the same way that AFC Wimbledon are hoping to earn it - from the very lowest rungs of the FA ladder. With successive promotions, they might reach the Premiership within ten years or so.

Somehow, I don't think they want Premiership football that badly!

You echo my sentiments. If they want it, they should earn it. After all, if they are that good, they should get it within four years.

If they don't want it, fair enough, it's their business. The whole structure of British Football is fecked anyway, four FAs? Bit daft! Still, they will not amaglamate. Probably worried about losing influence on the IFAB, but any amagamated FA should still have 50% voting rights on the IFAB. These are not really countries we are talking about, but highy dubious nations that are not states.

A British Football Association should be formed, with each FA providing a single (or two) member/s for its board. If UEFA can exist why cannot a BFA?

Laudrup11

May 13th, 2005, 01:04 AM

I've watched this thread for a few days now and finally I have got round to registering. so heres what I'll say.

There is no argument over which stadium is better, Ibrox is 5 star, Parkheed is 3 star or maybe even 4 star.

as for Parkhead having a better atmosphere, dont kid yourselves on. It is just as quiet as Ibrox on home games against 'the wee diddy teams'. On European nights and at Old Firm games, it is different though, this is how I compare. At Parkheed, even if we are getting beat we still sing for 90 minutes,even when yous are winning yous hardly sing! Youll never walk alone at the start, maybe 2 other songs which only half your support sing throughout the game. yous do not sing when yous are getting beat at Ibrox, infact at the 2-0 game earler on this season I remember we are celtic supporters near the end when half your end was empty, found that one a cracker. Now at Ibrox, plenty of songs are sung at Old Firm games throughout the game. FACT.

European Nights - At Parkhead, you get YNWA before the game, would hardly call it intimidating though as all you really hear is walk on, with hope.. etc. the rest of the words are very unclear to make out, personally I think thats because a good amount of your fans only know the basic youll never walk alone and not infact the full words. then you'll get a few songs throughout the game most noticeably at corners when you get a burst of 'SELLIK SELLIK'. I have hardly heard a player saying he was blowing away with the atmosphere at Parkheed, Gerard of Barca said something thats all I can think of.

Now Ibrox - European Nights, I seem to remember Gerry McKnee saying after the Man Utd Game last season 'its the only game where hes never been able to hear the Champions League theme tune because of the noise'. not only him, Gary Neville also said he has played in big stadiums before Nou Camp etc.. but 'he had never heard anything like that in his life and was thankful we never scored because of the noise which would have been made'.

Buffon, Cannavaro, Thuram, basically the Parma team, Kahn, Van Nistelrooy, half the Stuttgart team who claimed Rangers would not have came back and won had it not been for the noise which 'intimidated' their players, Prso when he played with Monaco, Mendieta, Markus Schopp, now they are only just a few players who I can name of at the top of my head however I'm 110% certain I could find at least another 20.

Moving onto the fans - Now Celtic claim to be the greatest in the world etc.. - right:-

Valencia - the riot police had to battle with Celtic fans before kick off because of carry on, funnily enough it was the 'Spanish Police fault'.

Ajax - One of your fans stabbed, some trouble with the police in the City Centre as well.

Vigo - couldnt behave yourselves, and no not just the 1 guy, the fans on board were 'drunk, aggressive and threatening fellow passengers' that bad, the plane had to do an emergency landing in Cardiff.

Blackburn - lots of forge tickets made, led to fans been locked out, led to fighting with the police and also Blackburn fans.

Tynecastle - Craig Gordon spat on by 2 of your supporters while collecting the ball infront of yous.

Ibrox - making aeroplane gestures to Claudio Reyna days after September 11th.
Booing through a minutes silence for the Ibrox disaster, that bad Paul McStay had to run to your end and try and get yous to bequiet.
Singing just 2 weeks ago at the Old Firm Game about 'Feck the Queen and Davie Cooper - hes dead'.

Your own stadium - we won the league at your stadium, guy jumps off the upper tier, claims he was going for a pie and tripped, Hugh Dallas hit with a coin, several of your fans tried entering the field of play that day, alot of your fans hurled plenty of objects and spat at our team as they were going up the tunnel. Ricksen also hit with a lighter at the last Old Firm game at your poor excuse for a stadium for simply clapping his own fans while taking a corner. you can give me the 'plastic cup thrown at Petrov' but the cup hit Hartson more than it hit Petrov, but as usual the Bulgarian Diver goes down like a tonne of bricks, then gets up and says sorry to the Rangers fans for his celebrations towards them.

Fir Park - minutes silence, cant mind if it was for Sept 11th or the Queen Mother but there was booing and and I.R.A song clearly heard, was on tele the other week on Panorama.

Now, I'm not going to claim we are angels, as we also sing songs which we shouldnt. but yous sing songs which mock british soldiers, sing constantly about the I.R.A and dont give me the 'only at away games crap'. also couldnt believe someone said the media even say we are worse than Celtic, when have the media ever called anything fair ? call me paranoid etc.. if you want but its clear there is a lot of anti-Rangers journalists out their, I'll give a few examples, Mark Guidi 'Its not that I hate Rangers, I just dont like them' ?

Paul Cooney in reaction to our last minuite penalty at Tynecastle for a push on Kyrgiakos 'the linesman should be demoted it was a disgraceful decision etc. etc.' now compare that to our 1-1 draw with Dundee Utd at the start of the season when they were awarded 2 free kicks for nothing at the death which they scored from to make it 1-1, we go up the park, Thompson is blatantly hauled down in the box but Coneoy says no. the same Conroy who disallowed a Prso goal against Kilmarnock for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Cooneys thoughts 'well you have to give him the benefit of the doubt, hes only a newcomer' .

I could go on and on all night but I dont have all night unfortunately as work calls in the morning.

bubomb

May 13th, 2005, 01:15 AM

Parkhead has NO stars. There is no 3 star list. You are either 4 or 5 stars.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4and5stars.html

Laudrup11

May 13th, 2005, 01:19 AM

says it all really then doesnt it. the gutter once fell off before :) Parkhead has NO stars. There is no 3 star list. You are either 4 or 5 stars.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4and5stars.html

Be_Happy

May 13th, 2005, 01:31 AM

Laudrup11, if you don't mind me asking ... what is "yous"?

Iain1974

May 13th, 2005, 07:07 AM

Empire State Human

July 25th, 2005, 03:11 AM

Amazing you think Celtic Park is more of a fans stadium. Ibrox is louder, more colourful, and has hosted nearly twice the amount of fans that Celtic Park has over the time they have stood together. The loudest recorded decibel level was at Ibrox in the 1990's beating Wembley 1966 and the famous Beatles' concert at the Albert Hall.

This very weekend, two "friendly" games were played. Yesterday, over 30,000 were at Ibrox to watch their team play Borrusia Monchengladbach - the attendance was considered poor by Rangers standards. Today, less than 15,000 turned out for Celtic v Leeds Utd (a bigger draw - and Leeds brought thousands with them).

Here are some photos. Judge for yourselves what the best fans arena is:

http://tinypic.com/9batco.jpg

and in exactly the same corner at Ibrox:

http://tinypic.com/9batmr.jpg

Rangers have always been the biggest draw, home and away - and the most welcoming fans.

Spoken as a TRUE NEUTRAL.

carlspannoosh

July 25th, 2005, 04:02 AM

If you want to rave about Ibrox stadium go ahead but using this thread as an excuse to slag off Rangers's more famous city rival is being somewhat childish IMO.

HoldenV8

July 26th, 2005, 09:40 AM

What Celtic Park used to look like. I am assuming this photo was taken in the 1970's but I honestly don't know.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/4941/celticpark0200pk.jpg

And here are 3 shots of Ibrox Park. Again the dates of the pictures are unknown to me but they show how the ground, like Celtic Park, has evolved over the years.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/4554/ibroxpark0183xe.jpg
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/2609/ibroxpark0208bl.jpg
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/8335/ibroxpark0221zi.jpg

Pretty easy to see why Celtic Park's record crowd is 92,000 set back in 1938 and Ibrox's is 118,567 set in 1939.

2005

July 26th, 2005, 08:05 PM

Both very good stadiums I think. I don't shout to loud but Celtic Park is in a DUMP, I admit that Tottenham is bad but please the area looks well I don't need to say anymore.

The Boy David

July 26th, 2005, 08:56 PM

The area around Celtic Park is a dump. That is plain for all to see. But the stadium, whilst not finished to the same standards as Ibrox is far from it (This is because for almost half a century Celtic Football Club was a Charity set up by two Irish Priests, and heavily put back into the the East End's Catholic community.)

Not for the first time I have to question the "Unbiased" nature of someone who would post a picture of ONLY the first tear of Parkhead and completely ommit the second tier... why would you do that?

If you are trying to make a point, why would you choose a picture of Celtic Park that is not an accurate representation of the stadium, DESPITE the fact that on the previous page, I posted a perfectly good picture of the SAME corner, clearly showing BOTH tiers.

Why? It seems pretty clear to me.

Here is the actual corner "Empirestatehuman" is talking about:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/CelticPark6.jpg

Ibrox doesnt even join up at that corner! If you were going to show off the stadium, at least use the side with the TV screens!

And a word about the leeds game: would you pay £15 to watch a second rate team come up and play a game that means absolutely nothing? Not everyone has that sort of money to spend around the East End. It is worth noting though that in 1999, there was a friendly on the same date (24th of july) at which the attendance was 52,715.

Ibrox deservedly owns the title of largest attendance, however.

BobDaBuilder

July 28th, 2005, 01:02 PM

What is the rest of the Scottish comp like?

Are the Glasgow clubs pretty much all there is?

How many Scotsmen actually play for the Old Firm clubs?

easysurfer

July 28th, 2005, 02:31 PM

How Ibrox is a 5 star stadium is beyond me. I would give it a 4 star at most. Maybe they need a re-classification or at the very least make a new category for the super stadiums like the new wembley 5 star +.

kingdomca

July 28th, 2005, 06:09 PM

dont read too much into this 4-5 star stuff.
Its not a general assesment of the stadium, but a case of ticking-off boxes if minimum standards are achieved.

New Wembley will be stunning and obviously 5-star but if they for some reason had decided that the referee didnt deserve a quality dressing room then they wouldnt be a 5-star stadium as minimum standards would not be achieved in that category.

Ibrox is 5-star and celtic is not. This is most likely down to celtic park lacking something of a technical nature for media, staff or something like that and probably nothing to do with anything fans would ever notice.

Indeed Hampden is 5-star too, I think, though obviously much poorer than celtic park in a general sense.

The Boy David

July 28th, 2005, 08:41 PM

In answer to all your questions, Celtic Park is not a five star stadium because the players dressing rooms are not of a high enough standard for the five star rating.

Ibrox does deserve its five star rating - its facilities and decor are second to none. Celtic Park has not been constructed or finished to the same degree as Ibrox, but remains the Fans favourite for watching a game.

I personally dont like Hampden, as I feel that you sit too far away from the pitch, but it is a good stadium with world class facilities none the less.

The president of UEFA recently publicly said that he doesnt understand why Celtic Park does not have a five star rating.

Us Celtic fans however are not that bothered by the fact we dont have 5-star status, as we are treated to what the BBC have awarded the "Most atmospheric ground in the United Kingdom" + an extra 9,000 seats than our West End rivals :)

BobDaBuilder - in answer to your question, Celtic and Rangers are by far the best teams in the country, but Hearts, Hibernian and Aberdeen are all very good teams at the momment. It is unlikely that any of these teams will win the league, but they are of a much higher standard than they were, say, five years ago.

hngcm

July 29th, 2005, 06:52 AM

What happened to Celtic....5-0...

BobDaBuilder

July 29th, 2005, 03:03 PM

Celtic getting flogged 5-nil is a worrying sign for the SPL.

The SPL is technically a lower standard than the Slovakian league.

The Boy David

July 29th, 2005, 11:54 PM

Oh God dont mention it!!!

That 5-0 defeat is the most embarrasing defeat in Celtics long History (IMO)

I could barely watch it, and felt outraged that I have paid £400 for the privilage of watching a bunch of idiots get flogged by some unknown Slovakian team, who I thought were rubbish anyway.

We wont beat them 6-0 in the return leg at Parkhead, thats for sure.

But it was a one-off. That wont happen again for a long, long time to either Celtic or Rangers.

Dont write off the SPL just yet folks!!

hngcm

August 3rd, 2005, 07:47 AM

4-0

Not enough.

The Boy David

August 13th, 2005, 01:28 AM

I know - 4-0 was a good perfomance, but it just wasnt enough :(

I want to take this opertunity to wish Rangers well in there Champions league campaign - someone has to fly the flag for Scotland after all!

But now that the SPL is well underway, and Celtic are showing signs of improvement, I have to say that the big surprise package this year are Hearts: they have a really, really good team this year - I expect big things from them. Also, Hibs have a great team aswell - so it should be interesting.

Scottish Club football is on the up, I tell ya! Just mark my words, and follow with interest :)

Noostairz

August 15th, 2005, 02:11 AM

Go down to the bottom of the page where it says YNWA Vs Barcelona underneath the Champions picture.

I guarentee that this video WILL move you. It was sang on the night of the Madrid train bombing for Spain as we where playing Barcelona (we won that game). The Spainish media said that they had never experienced anything like it before, and were touched by the sheer compassion of the Celtic fans. Absolutely breath taking - I was almost in tears, the emotion was incredible.

Ibrox will never even come close to this.

If you watch the video, you will see why.

get your own song. it doesn't matter how loud you sing it son, that is LFC through and through and celtic will never be the club LFC are.

ibrox wins. proper british club unlike the foreign insurgents parkhead hosts. GB 1 v 0 IRE

manicants2004

August 15th, 2005, 07:52 PM

Celtic Park is much like its surroundings: dull and uninspiring. Give me the history and tradition of Ibrox.

Roekie

August 17th, 2005, 12:10 PM

What a sad view on the Celtic stadium, on TV it looks great but these pics give me a different idea.
Ibrox wins defenately

Prometheus

August 18th, 2005, 06:42 AM

Hmmm those have to be some of the most unflattering photos of Celtic Park I have ever seen. Absolutely nasty. Totally not what I expected.

Ibrox looks nice, but I really do detest the bricks.

gorgu

August 19th, 2005, 09:26 AM

As a Glaswegian Aberdeen supporter, Ibrox is built to a higher spec, but Parkhead is a better stadium in terms of size and atmosphere.

This thread is case and point as to why I don't support either of the Old Firm, makes me glad not to be in Scotland sometimes!

Thanks god we don't have this sort of banter on the Glasgow forum!

The Boy David

August 19th, 2005, 10:42 PM

Yeah it seems only the informed go onto the Glasgow Forum.

I kinda wish I had never become aware of this thread, but couldnt stand idley by and watch my team be torn apart by ignorance.

All of you guys commenting on how Celtic Park looks rubbish - you do realise that the pictures posted by HoldenV8 are of the OLD stadium, yeah?

The stadium was renovated 10 years ago.

Fair enough, as I said earlier Celtic Park is not built, nor maintained to the same level as Ibrox, but good grief its a fantastic stadium! This may sound ridiculous, but how can a 60,832 all seater stadium actually be bad?!

A quick refresher from a previous post of mine: (most of these are taken from my seat at the ground)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/celtic_park01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/P1220031.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/P1220025.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/Parkhead001.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/Parkhead003.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/429944A.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/the_boy_david/StrathclydeCelticLge.jpg

Thats better, no? A truely atmospheric stadium - I'd eat my own hat if you find me someone who has been to a match at Celtic Park and disagrees. Every sports pundit I have ever heard both on TV and Radio has always remarked on its incredible atmosphere. Of that no-one can deny. Even Chick Young agrees....

And so....

get your own song
Man you're about 2 months late. Read the rest of this thread - this has already been covered. Yes, it was sang by Liverpool first. So what? Does that change the fact that it is a great song, and one that helps to make special Match-days even more special? No, it doesnt.

And as you can see from the pictures as well, the fans are extremely close to the action. Where Empire State Human got that the fans arent involved in the game I have no idea.

I hope this changes your outlook on Celtic Park.

Dont let yourself be fooled by the ignorant.

bubomb

December 13th, 2005, 01:00 AM

Here's a new pic of Ibrox -

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4502/ig9h078fn.jpg

The Boy David

December 13th, 2005, 05:54 PM

Thats a great picture bubomb - Ibrox's frontage is magnificent.

And well done on getting through to the next round of the Champions League - good luck for the draw on friday! (Hope you get Barcelona :) :D :jk:)

-------------------

On a comepletely different note, how many forumers here have been following the SPL this year? It's been an awesome season so far - it's still pretty much a 4 horse race - much more exciting than the English Premiership this year :lol: :)

bubomb

December 13th, 2005, 10:24 PM

ghost_of_sin

December 16th, 2005, 07:32 PM

All that sectarian stuff is quite annoying to me.

I just wanted to say that Ibrox is really really one of the most beautiful football stadiums in the whole world. Parkhead is surely a good stadium, but nothing special.

(BTW: I'm neither a Celtic nor Rangers fan).

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 01:22 AM

having read through this thread i find it pathetic.

both ibrox and celtic park are magnificent stadiums.

this "my dad is bigger than your dad" type argument is pointless.

the most important thing to me, a celtic fan, is not how my clubs stadium looks, but the fact that celtic are top of the scottish league, and 17 points ahead of rangers, who are fourth.

thats what really matters :)

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 01:44 AM

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 02:01 AM

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 02:10 AM

Disappointed but not suprised to see the Rangers fans posting pictures of Celtic Park in the worst possible light, I have posted a few pictures that offer a more accurate reflection I think. Also if I was really sad I would travel to Ibrox and take pictures of the surrounding area there - which is also pretty deprived. Luckily though, I'm not that sad :)

http://tinypic.com/kbeq1y.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbeq9y.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbeqnk.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbes1j.jpg

An old one...

http://tinypic.com/kbes8w.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbet1y.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbev5c.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbevlj.jpg

For balance, here is one of Ibrox...

http://tinypic.com/kbew3q.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 02:23 AM

also, another couple :

http://tinypic.com/kbf7rc.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbf8nt.jpg

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 02:29 AM

May I just add that Celtic didn't wait until they had 2, yes 2 structural failures in their stadium before they carried out their upgrade.
Ibrox stadium has been built on the blood of many, many deaths of their supporters who innocently died trying to watch their team.

I am just glad all stadia are a safer place to be nowadays.

Sorry mate, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The Ibrox disaster was not caused by a structural fault, but by a crush caused by a late goal. This could have happened at any large ground in Scotland as they all were over-crowded at the time with poor exits. Rangers led the way in the UK for modern all seater stadiums and were partly responsible for the massive changes that have made UK stadiums safe places to watch sport. The 'Taylor Report' recommended Ibrox as the example for other UK clubs to follow. Rangers made theses changes well before the Taylor Report and were commended throughout Britain for making an Ibrox a safe stadium when they no legal obligation to do so. Rangers spent a fortune on a new stadium, sums of money that were unheard of in the late 70's. This massive outlay of money affected the clubs future for the next 10 years as no money was left for players or anything else, but this didn't matter to Rangers as the safety of their own fans was put ahead of everything else. No other club in the UK at the time was willing to spend this huge amount of money on their stadium in the interest of spectator safety.

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/disaster.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrox_disaster

Each year celtic fans sing songs at old firm games mocking the deaths of those killed -

Those who lost their lives: (ages in brackets)

GLASGOW

DAVID ANDERSON [45]
JOHN BUCHANAN [32]
RICHARD BARKE [15]
DAVID DUFF [23)
PETER FARRIES [26]
JOHN GARDINER [32]
THOMAS GRANT [16]
CHARLES LIVINGSTON [30]
BRIAN HUTCHINSON [16]
JOHN JEFFREY [16]
ANDREW LINDSAY [18]
THOMAS MELVILLE [17]
FRANCIS DOVER [16]
ROBERT MULHOLLAND [16]
DUNCAN McBREARTY [17]
DONALD McPHERSON [30]
THOMAS McROBBIE [17]
ROBERT RAE [25]
WILLIAM SHAW [30]
WALTER SHIELDS
GEORGE SMITH [40]
WILLIAM SOMERHILL [17]
JAMES TRAINER [20]
JOHN CRAWFORD [23]
GEORGE FINDLAY [21]
JOHN NEIL

LIVERPOOL

NIGEL PICKUP [9]

EDINBURGH

WALTER RAEBURN [36]
JAMES SIBBALD [28]
ROBERT C CAIRNS [17]

LANARKSHIRE

THOMAS DICKSON [32]
IAN FREW [21]
JAMES GREY [37]
IAN HUNTER [14]
JAMES MAIR [19]
ROBERT MAXWELL [15]
ALEXANDER ORR [16]
MATTHEW RIED [49]
CHARLES STIRLING [20]
PETER WRIGHT [31]

ARGYLL

GEORGE IRWIN [22]

FIFE

PETER EASTON [13]
MARTIN PATON [14]
MASON PHILLIPS [14]
BRIAN TODD [14]
DOUGLAS MORRISON [15]

RENFREWSHIRE

HUGH ADDIE [33]
ROBERT GRANT [21]
ALEX McINTYRE [29]
GEORGE WILSON [15]

STIRLINGSHIRE

MARGARET FERGUSON [18]
ROBERT McADAM [36]
RICHARD McLEAY [28]
JOHN McLEAY [23]

WEST LOTHIAN

RUSSEL MALCOLM [16]

DUMBARTONSHIRE

GEORGE ADAMS [43]
ROBERT CARRIGAN [13]
CHARLES DOUGAN [31]
ADAM HENDERSON
DAVID McGHEE [14]
THOMAS MORGAN [14]
JAMES RAE [19]
JOHN SEMPLE [18]
THOMAS STIRLING [16]
DONALD SUTHERLAND [14]

EAST LOTHIAN

JAMES McGOVERN [24]

Only a celtic fan would use the deaths of so many young people as a subject to get one over your rivals on a stadium thread. Go back to the sewer where you came from.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 02:31 AM

id also like to bring your attention to this article :

http://www.uefa.com/magazine/news/Kind=128/newsId=18479.html

"Glasgow's three UEFA five-star stadiums - Celtic FC's Celtic Park, Rangers FC's Ibrox stadium and Hampden Park - will be used as well as Edinburgh's Murrayfield stadium."

the celtic park dressing rooms were not the correct size when originally built, so it fell short of five star status. the dressing rooms were renovated in 2000.

The link is wrong. Parkhead has no stars. Why can't you accept that you don't have a 5 star stadium? Parkhead is clearly inferior to Ibrox. Rangers spent more money on one part of one stand than celtic spent on their entire stadium!!

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4and5stars.html

Footyfan

January 16th, 2006, 02:35 AM

This is a pretty good site. some good reviews of matchdays throughout the country -

http://www.groundstour.freeserve.co.uk/spl.html

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 02:39 AM

its quite funny that your stadium is the only thing you have to cling to :)

Home Away
Team P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS
1 Celtic 22 9 1 1 27 9 8 2 1 30 13 35 54
2 Hearts 22 9 1 1 24 5 5 4 2 21 12 28 47
3 Hibernian 22 6 1 4 20 14 6 1 4 17 15 8 38
4 Rangers 22 7 3 1 23 8 3 4 4 14 17 12 37
5 Kilmarnock 22 5 3 3 25 19 4 3 4 16 18 4 33
6 Inverness CT 22 3 4 4 13 13 4 6 1 13 8 5 31
7 Motherwell 22 4 3 4 22 19 4 2 5 14 20 -3 29
8 Aberdeen 22 3 5 3 13 11 3 4 4 11 15 -2 27
9 Dundee Utd 22 4 5 2 12 12 2 1 8 12 23 -11 24
10 Falkirk 22 0 3 8 8 21 4 2 5 14 23 -22 17
11 Dunfermline 22 1 1 9 7 23 2 3 6 10 18 -24 13
12 Livingston 22 1 4 6 8 22 1 2 8 4 20 -30 12

ah, bliss :)

since you love ibrox so much, heres another pic for your collection :

http://tinypic.com/kbojmx.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 02:41 AM

oh dear, this isnt very complimentary now, is it?

http://www.groundstour.freeserve.co.uk/groundstour/rangers.html

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 02:47 AM

More than anything else, the home supporters were completely devoid of a sense of humour. Every chant from the Kilmarnock fans was greeted with two fingered salutes and vitriol from the Rangers spectators, with some ejected from the Broomloan Stand by police. The most innocuous challenges against Rangers players were met with tirades of verbal abuse being hurled at the match officials and opposition players, all highly unnecessary given the one-sided nature of the game. With fans sat in the ground wearing Ulster scarves, holding their arms aloft singing "Rule Britannia", it was an uncomfortable and unpleasant ninety minutes sat amongst the Rangers spectators whose antics were as predictable as they were bigoted. It was not hard to see why so few Kilmarnock fans had wanted to make the trip, with the Rangers fans' never tiring of telling the Kilmarnock followers what they thought of the visiting team.

For the final ten minutes of the game, with the score at 2-0, thousands of Rangers fans poured out the ground to get a headstart on the journey home. I decided to join them with five minutes left and despite a slight hold-up on the M8, I was able to make it home in good time and before 1am. As an arena by itself, Ibrox compares pretty well with many of the UK's most enthusing and dramatic football venues, but the Rangers experience left a nasty taste in the mouth. I think my love for the game would quickly extinguish if I had no other option but to visit Ibrox every fortnight. It is a shame that the terrific reception afforded to Andy Goram was not mirrored by equally sporting behaviour by the home fans during the game, as this would have ensured that Ibrox was a less intimidating, hostile and, in many ways, unpleasant venue at which to watch football. I doubt I will return.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 02:49 AM

Whilst the trip to Celtic Park was very enjoyable, I know I didn't see the ground at its best. I'd love to return in the future for a big European tie or maybe even an Old Firm match if I could get a ticket! The ground oozes character, class and looks simply breathtaking. If the Main Stand ever gets redeveloped to mirror the remainder of the ground, then Celtic Park will undoubtedly be the best club ground in Britain. For a big match, I'm certain that the atmospheric and inspiring home of Celtic will offer the complete football experience.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 02:57 AM

[QUOTE=CraigyBhoy1888]also, another couple :

http://tinypic.com/kbf7rc.jpg

Rangers fans prefer the flags of the country we live in - which is Scotland and Great Britain (we don't wave foreign flags)

http://rangersmedia.teardrop.ca/images/ibrox.jpg

http://www.rangersloyal.co.uk/images/wallpaper12_800_600.jpg

http://rangersmedia.teardrop.ca/images/group1/uj.jpg

http://rangersmedia.teardrop.ca/images/group1/gersfans.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:02 AM

im very sure you know about celtic having a strong irish background.

the tricolour and saltire fly proudly above our magnificent home.

i still await your reply regarding the league table as well.

does it hurt?

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:04 AM

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 03:05 AM

Bad news folks. A plastic paddy has hijacked this thread and will now totally ruin it by posting utter bollocks. I'm signing off until this second class citizen goes away. His giro will arrive on Tuesday so he should be gone by then.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:06 AM

The Hunted

January 16th, 2006, 03:11 AM

The main stand at Ibrox is awe-inspiring. It is unique.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 03:11 AM

and also, if you dont wave foreign flags, why do a large amount of your bigoted support fly the flag of northern ireland?

last time i checked my passport, it had great britain and northern ireland on it.

You are a Scottish club with an Irish BACKGROUND. For every Irish flag there should be about 20 Scotland flags, but you've got it the wrong way around.

The only poeple at Ibrox with Ulster flags are people who travel to games from Ulster. Northern Irish flying Northern Ireland flags.

But at Parkhead you have tens of thousands of Scots flying Ireland flags instead of Scotland/Britain flags!!!!!!!!! What's that all about?

and before you start on the Great Britain flag, Rangers fans are British and proud to be British, and in every Great Britain flag there is a saltire. Have you never noticed the big blue and white cross in the background?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/e8/250px-GB1603.png

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 03:13 AM

Each year celtic fans sing songs at old firm games mocking the deaths of those killed

Sorry, but you sir are a liar.

By the way...

"Hello hello we are the billy boys, hello hello you know us by our noise
and we're up to our knees in xxxxxx xxxxx"

Care to fill in the blanks ?

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:14 AM

You are a Scottish club with an Irish BACKGROUND. For every Irish flag there should be about 20 Scotland flags, but you've got it the wrong way around.

The only poeple at Ibrox with Ulster flags are people who travel to games from Ulster. Northen Irish flying Northen Ireland flags.

But at Parkhead you have tens of thousands of Scots flying Ireland flags instead of Scotland flags!!!!!!!!! What's that all about?

and before you start on the Great Britain flag, Rangers fans are British and proud to be British, and in every Great Britain flag there is a saltire. Have you never noticed the big blue and white cross?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/e8/250px-GB1603.png

i do not wish to partake in any further discussions with you.

i shall remind you of your clubs league position, then i will retire to my bed.

Home Away
Team P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS
1 Celtic 22 9 1 1 27 9 8 2 1 30 13 35 54
2 Hearts 22 9 1 1 24 5 5 4 2 21 12 28 47
3 Hibernian 22 6 1 4 20 14 6 1 4 17 15 8 38
4 Rangers 22 7 3 1 23 8 3 4 4 14 17 12 37
5 Kilmarnock 22 5 3 3 25 19 4 3 4 16 18 4 33
6 Inverness CT 22 3 4 4 13 13 4 6 1 13 8 5 31
7 Motherwell 22 4 3 4 22 19 4 2 5 14 20 -3 29
8 Aberdeen 22 3 5 3 13 11 3 4 4 11 15 -2 27
9 Dundee Utd 22 4 5 2 12 12 2 1 8 12 23 -11 24
10 Falkirk 22 0 3 8 8 21 4 2 5 14 23 -22 17
11 Dunfermline 22 1 1 9 7 23 2 3 6 10 18 -24 13
12 Livingston 22 1 4 6 8 22 1 2 8 4 20 -30 12

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:15 AM

Sorry, but you sir are a liar.

By the way...

"Hello hello we are the billy boys, hello hello you know us by our noise
and we're up to our knees in xxxxxx xxxxx"

Care to fill in the blanks ?

i do believe the missing words are "fenian", and "blood"

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 03:16 AM

Sorry, but you sir are a liar.

By the way...

"Hello hello we are the billy boys, hello hello you know us by our noise
and we're up to our knees in xxxxxx xxxxx"

Care to fill in the blanks ?

'Fenian blood'. We hate Fenians, not catholics. There is a big difference. Clear off sewer rat, we don't want scum like you ruining our forums.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 03:18 AM

i do not wish to partake in any further discussions with you.

i shall remind you of your clubs league position, then i will retire to my bed.

Home Away
Team P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS
1 Celtic 22 9 1 1 27 9 8 2 1 30 13 35 54
2 Hearts 22 9 1 1 24 5 5 4 2 21 12 28 47
3 Hibernian 22 6 1 4 20 14 6 1 4 17 15 8 38
4 Rangers 22 7 3 1 23 8 3 4 4 14 17 12 37
5 Kilmarnock 22 5 3 3 25 19 4 3 4 16 18 4 33
6 Inverness CT 22 3 4 4 13 13 4 6 1 13 8 5 31
7 Motherwell 22 4 3 4 22 19 4 2 5 14 20 -3 29
8 Aberdeen 22 3 5 3 13 11 3 4 4 11 15 -2 27
9 Dundee Utd 22 4 5 2 12 12 2 1 8 12 23 -11 24
10 Falkirk 22 0 3 8 8 21 4 2 5 14 23 -22 17
11 Dunfermline 22 1 1 9 7 23 2 3 6 10 18 -24 13
12 Livingston 22 1 4 6 8 22 1 2 8 4 20 -30 12

http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2202/match=1102857/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/4570627.stm

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2199/match=81461/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/4584934.stm

Nuff said

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 03:18 AM

'Fenian blood'. We hate Fenians, not catholics. There is a big difference.

The average Rangers fan on the street doesn't have a clue what a 'fenian' is.

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 03:19 AM

CHOOSE RANKGERS !
Choose bigotry

Choose cretinism

Choose knuckledragging

Choose sub-fascism

Choose tugging your forelock to royalty

Choose imperialism in Ireland
Choose twenty-one attempts at winning the European Cup, and twenty-one failures--a record

Choose ten European exits in nine seasons

Choose being up to your knees in fenian blood

Choose Walter Smith

Choose to be ugly

Choose to get beat 7-1 by Celtic in a cup final--a record

Choose to be the laughing stock of Europe

Choose to waste 14M quid

Choose a schizoid national identity

Choose not to win the Coronation Cup

Choose not to win the Empire Exhibition Trophy

Choose not to win the European Cup

Choose to be the second team to do nine-in-a-row after Celtic

Choose virulent, bitter anti-Catholicism

Choose funny handshakes, aprons, and rolled-up trouser legs

Choose to look like an eejit in an Orange sash

Choose a lingerie-wearing alcoholic *** **** as goalkeeper

Choose to support a bunch of drunk drivers who smash up pubs and kebab shops

Choose gerrymandering

Choose Ion Feargisin
Choose to be liked by nobody and pretend not to care

Choose to be fleeced repeatedly by a rich steel magnate

Choose hubris and a ludicrous master-race mentality

Choose to have your arrogant boasts turned into an annual ritual of national humiliation

Choose to follow, follow a bunch of hacking animals

Choose cheating

Choose your own referees and assistant referees--except in Europe

Choose to have your arse licked by media sycophants

Choose to beat a lambeg drum

Choose Ian Paisley

Choose jobbies in jacuzzis

Choose the National Anthem

Choose thuggery in sundry English cities

Choose to believe that David Murray signs top-class European players

Choose to lose to Berwick Rangers

Choose to lose six goals home AND away in a European Cup semi-final

Choose to disgrace your only Euro trophy by having the police beat the sh** out of you

Choose to go 25 years without winning the Scottish Cup

Choose to lose the league by getting beat 4-2 by ten men

Choose William of Orange

Choose the Forces of Darkness

Choose Beelzebub

Choose a muttonchopped bigot as a director

Choose to watch crap football and pretend it's good

Choose self-deception and delusions of grandeur

Choose ignorance of history

Choose a decade of tactical ineptitude in Europe

Choose to support a monument to intolerance

Choose to feel good by swearing at the Pope

Choose to take out your feelings of social inadequacy on Irish immigrants

Choose not to sign Danny McGrain because you think he's a Catholic

Choose to believe David Murray's PR stunts and then pretend they never happened

Choose to think that Ronaldo might sign for you

Choose the ex-Faeroes Islands coach

Choose getting knocked out of three cups before October

Choose Watching the Bill

Choose to not sign john hartson, and watch as he destroys you

Choose to lose 5 games to celtic in a seson

Choose to be scared of the pope

Choose to be a pathetic, attention-seeking, Mindless, bigoted hunnite.

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 03:22 AM

http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2202/match=1102857/index.html

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2199/match=81461/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/4584934.stm

Nuff said

Won't be much good next season though when you aren't in Europe atol ;)

By the way in keeping with the subject here is another picture of Hampden

http://tinypic.com/kbq0t2.jpg

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 03:22 AM

The Infamous Glasgow Rangers
1. If the Glasgow Rangers ever win the Coronation Cup - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
2. If they ever beat their deadliest rivals 7-1 in a major domestic cup final - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
3. If they ever reach the European Cup Semi-Final 4 times - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
4. If they ever win every competition they enter in one season - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
5. If they ever reach the European Cup Final - - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
6. If they ever reach the European Cup Final with eleven home bred Scots - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
7. If they ever reach the European Cup Final twice - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
8. If they ever WIN the European Cup - they will be the 2nd Scottish club ever to do so.
9. Having won 9-in-a-row - it must be a great feeling to know that for the NINTH TIME IN A ROW - you are
And always will be
2nd

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:22 AM

http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2202/match=1102857/index.html

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2199/match=81461/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/4584934.stm

Nuff said

regarding the champions league link:
http://tinypic.com/kbpz6o.jpg

http://tinypic.com/kbq150.jpg

it will always be in our trophy room

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 03:24 AM

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 03:25 AM

Continuing with name that tune BuBomb...

"Follow follow we will follow Rangers everywhere anywhere we will follow on
Dundee, Hamilton xxxx the Pope and the Vatican"

Fill in the blanks ;)

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 03:27 AM

See folks, this is the kind of moronic scum we have to put up with each day in Scotland. Word has got out on some celtic forum and now the scum will just ruin this thread. I will start another thread where we can discuss the stadiums.

Bubomb there is no point, you will always seek to show Ibrox in the best possible light and Celtic Park in the worst, what is the point in taking part in a discussion where you will be so biased ?

Celtic Park and Ibrox are both good stadiums, something you can't seem to come to terms with, the fact you are so obsessed with this is really pretty pathetic.

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 03:27 AM

Rankgers again

Banning RC players from the 20's till 1989 - dignity ? Even then only signed Johnston to attempt to humiliate us.

A substantial number of their fans, probably a majority, even today sing naked sectarian anthems, Dignity ?

The sale of Orange away tops 2 years ago, nakedly cashing in on the the sectarian card. Dignity ?

Banning pepparami promotion at Ibrox cos of green wrappers and removing Eggs Benedict from Ibrox menus FFS. It surely doesn't get much more childish, pathetic or undignified than this.

Recent disgusting chants re Pope's death- dignity ?

Andy Goram wears a black armband in memory of state terrorist Billy Wright, claiming it was in memory of his elderly aunt.

Paul Gascoigne defecates in a bath in the aftermath of an Old Firm game in the mid-1990's.

Countless players being arrested for drunk driving.

Refusing to condemn domestic violence following Paul Gascoigne's widely reported and admitted history of domestic violence towards his wife by saying "what happens behind closed doors is no-ones business".

Paul Gascoigne mimicking a Loyalist flute player after scoring in an Old Firm game.

Club captain at the time Lorenzo Amoruso admitting to racially abusing Victor Ipkeba on the field of play after initially denying it but then being caught out by TV cameras

Refusing to punish Davie Robertson for vandalising parked cars on a drunken binge.

Refusing to take ANY form of club action against Ian Durrant and Derek Ferguson after the kebab shop fracas, even though they'd been found guilty in a court of law.

Refusing to accept that Fernando Ricksen had been guilty of violent conduct towards Hibs player Riordan, claiming that it had been "reckless behaviour".

Having players pictured in photographs alongside convicted sectarian murderers. (Tore Andre Stone/Ronald deBoer with Michael Stone).

Then club captain Terry Butcher booting down a door on camera after a Rangers defeat at Celtic Park.

Being called a team of 'hammer throwers' by an ex-player during the Souness era (Jan Bartram).

Then club captain Barry Ferguson throwing a bag of ice at Celtic manager Martin O'Neill at Ibrox during a defeat.

Ricksen's booting of an Aberdeen player, then his subsequent denial of intent even though his own website stated that he intended to 'teach him a lesson.'

Self proclaimed hard-man Kevin Muscat's blatant dive to get a Partick Thistle player red carded.
Peter Lovenkrands pretending Alan Thompson head-butted him to induce a red card in the 2004 'shame-game'.
In the same match Bob Malcolm is taken up the tunnel by police officers for making sectarian and obscene gestures towards the Celtic support. He was earlier reprimanded for signing autographs FTP (f**k the pope).

Graham Roberts orchestrating "The Sash" at Ibrox in the game that resulted in 2 Rangers players appearing in court and being convicted.
Loyalist godfather John Gregg shot dead by Rangers fans after returning to Belfast from Ibrox.

Members of the UVF arrested for Loyalist activity outside Ibrox.

The only club not to be presented with a European trophy in front of their fans after winning it because they were rioting on the pitch at the time.

Only club in European football history to be unable to defend a European trophy due to the behaviour of their fans.

The outrage and burning of season tickets upon them signing a Catholic. Eventually.

The murder of 14 Celtic Fans since 1992 for being...eh...Celtic Fans.

The selling of the NF/*** magazines being sold unchallenged out side Ibrox for 20 odd years, only to be stopped in the early 90's.

Thousands of Rangers fans have been heard on television making openly racist noises towards black players.

Attacking cathedrals in Barcelona 1972.

Having to stop playing a pop song over the Ibrox tannoy before matches due to fans hijacking it and turning it into a sectarian chant

Refusing to condemn their support for their coin-throwing at an Aberdeen game, claiming that it was Chelsea fans who were responsible.

Widespread fighting with Feyenoord fans during and after recent UEFA cup ties

Fighting with Aston Villa fans

Setting off a firework aimed at the children's section at Celtic Park

The booing of Shota Averladze for crossing himself. The worlds first Georgian Orthodox ****** b*****d.

Rioting in Newcastle in the 70's.

Having to get a team (Shelbourne) play a home European tie in another country as their own officials knew their fans could not be trusted to travel to Ireland.

Vandalising Catholic street icons on visits to Parma and Turin.

Booing the minutes Silence for football legend Matt Busby when they were at Pittodrie because he was "Catholic".

Rioting in Paris in 2002.

Rioting when they played Shelbourne at Tranmere's ground. Afterwards the chief of police said they would never be allowed back.

"Tommy Twists but Doyle Burns" banner paraded during an OF game after Johnny Doyle died due to electrocution.

Describing the deaths of New York firemen in the Sept 11th tragedy as 'deserving' because some of them may (or may not) have been part of the pipe band that greeted Gerry Adams to the USA.

Attempting to flood Stuttgart with fake euros during recent Champions League tie.

Stoning the Shelbourne team bus

The Club
Only club in history to have had and kept a sectarian signing policy for over 100 years, only signing their first ever publicly Catholic player in 1988.

Then Club Vice Chairman, Donald Findlay, forced to resign after being recorded on tape singing sectarian songs.

Donald Findlay defending convicted killer and well know loyalist Jason Campbell for murdering Celtic fan Mark Scott after a match.

David Murray pocketing the profits of the Auld Old Firm game.

Allowing the "big walk" to rally there until as recently as 1987.

Playing a benefit match with Partick Thistle to raise funds for a new Orange Hall. An organisation that is openly sectarian.

The release of a "tangerine" strip to pander to the bigots. Socks sporting red designs to represent the 'up to our knees in ****** blood' a favourite song of the Rangers support..

Being pilloried on Radio One because they were the only club in Britain who refused to give a football jersey towards Children in Need.

Sir Alex Ferguson being hounded out of Ibrox in his playing days for committing the crime of having a catholic wife.

"Rangers Football Club are a permanent embarrassment and occasional disgrace." Ian Archer

Rangers team attending invitations to social events with known paramilitaries last year whilst in the Middle East.

Ex-Referee Brian McGinlay boasting that during his tenure of OF games he was 'proud to say' that Celtic had never beaten them, while at a Rangers.

Banning the snack brand 'Peperami' from doing promotions at Ibrox in 2005 because they had a green wrapper.

Reducing the pitch size from its normal dimensions to the minimum permitted by UEFA before a CL tie against a silky Dynamo Kiev.
Banning 'Eggs Benedict' from the corporate breakfast menu as it contained the new Popes name.

Big Amoretta calling another player a black b*****d, then trying to wriggle out of it. Was he your captain at the time?

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:28 AM

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 03:31 AM

Remember the famous Murray soundbite of, "for every £5 Celtic spend we'll spend £10"? Well he may have been close to his word but
in business, as Mr Murray should really know, investment should be justified
on the basis of growth in turnover and profit.

The first real signs that things were spiralling out of Rangers' own
management hands was the sudden stepping down of David Murray as Chairman last
year. The incoming Chairman, John McLelland had the embarrassing task of
signing off the Rangers accounts which gave us an indication of just how bad
things had become.

Surprisingly though the media response to the financial position of Rangers
was low key and the "numbers" were contextualised as being of a similar order
to Celtic's which was misleading to say the least. Equally the press picked up
on the general financial state of the SPL and Scottish football rather than
home in on the specifics of Rangers. It is interesting to note that Leeds
United's financial affairs were pored over by the English media in great
detail. However the financial statements for Rangers for the same period made
for far worse reading.

So what is the true financial position of Rangers and what are the issues that
have contributed to their perilous state?

Well, in terms of big numbers which set alarm bells ringing, Rangers had
clocked up a massive level of creditors by the time last June's accounts were
published. The financial statements revealed that Rangers owed a total of £45m
in the current year with a further £48m owed after the current year. These
figures are significant in that the vast majority of these amounts are owed to
the bank, namely HBOS. Serious questions need to be asked of the HBOS bank
officials in continuing to allow Rangers to enter into further borrowings when
clearly their capacity to meet the payments on these debts were weakening
rapidly. It is strongly rumoured that in these past few weeks the banking
affairs of Rangers have been transferred directly into the hands of the HBOS
Head Office in Yorkshire. If true, this represents a much more severe and
regulated relationship than the one previously enjoyed in the Rangers
heartland of Scotland. Furthermore it signals that Rangers financial position
at best has stood still and at worst, which is the more likely case, has
resulted in an increased debt position. This will be a major cause for concern
as the European football industry goes through an economic downturn of some
order. Rangers' failure to make any headway in European football during the
period when Celtic were dealing with their own off field tribulations means
that there will have been no meaningful and sustained increase in their
turnover. Coupled with this the club has posted some ridiculously high losses
primarily on the back of entering into untenable player salaries and contracts.

The ability of Rangers to meet their short and long term financial obligations
has clearly resulted in the departure turmoil witnessed since the winning of
the domestic treble. That achievement in itself has been one of the most low
key events, largely in part due to the success of Celtic in Europe and the
frantic final day finale which saw Rangers winning the league by a single goal.

The turmoil had already started days after the league was over with Amoruso
and Caniggia both revealing unwelcome comments down Ibrox way. Amoruso
highlighted the severe financial problems experienced by Rangers, whilst
Caniggia criticised the club for failing to offer him a new contract. Both of
these outbursts finally exposed the financial position of Rangers from a
players perspective. Amoruso, although prone to unreliability, is said to have
agreed to a pay cut in order to stay but his offer was seen as falling short

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:36 AM

Continuing with name that tune BuBomb...

"Follow follow we will follow Rangers everywhere anywhere we will follow on
Dundee, Hamilton xxxx the Pope and the Vatican"

Fill in the blanks ;)

but they dont hate catholics?

so bubomb says anyway

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 03:39 AM

here you go bubomb, since you love us catholics :

http://tinypic.com/kbqddk.gif
http://tinypic.com/kbqdly.jpg

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 04:05 AM

I think the institution that is Rangers has been unsurpassed in 132 years in terms of dignity - Alex McLeish : May 05

The Players

Having dopehead pill-popper Willie Johnstone sent home in shame from the World Cup (Argentina ’78) for failing a drugs test. Drugs cheat Johnstone embarrassed the entire Scottish nation by testing positive for a banned performance-enhancing steroid. Thankfully his chums in the Rankers-friendly meeja were able to deflect criticism from their brother, by suggesting his cheating was, erm, ‘an error’ before hastily sweeping the entire episode under the carpet.

Sandy Jardine’s son being arrested and charged with the production and supply of drugs.

Graeme Souness's horrific two-footed tackle on a Steaua Bucharest player which nearly ended the player's career.

Junkie thug Willie Johnstone being sent off in 1980 for deliberately stamping on the throat of fallen Aberdeen player John McMaster. Even some huns were disgusted at Johnstone's cowardly violence.

Andy Goram turning on the Xmas lights in 1995 in one of the most vile, Catholic-hating, sectarian cesspits of the entire globe - the Loyalist Shankill Road.

The Beast being sent off in his very first game for Rankers, as they were gubbed 2 - 1 by Hibs. The Rankers goal predictably came from a penalty, in a game which saw nearly every single Rankers player booked except the goalkeeper. After the game, Edinburgh resembled a war zone as deranged thugs went on a wrecking spree, terrorising foreign tourists who were over for the Edinburgh Festival.

Andy Goram wearing a black armband during a Celtic –v- Rankers match at Celtic Park in 1998, to mourn the ‘loss’ of Loyalist terrorist, and convicted drug-dealing thug Billy Wright. Bigoted Goram claimed the overt display of solidarity for the hated thug, known as King Rat, was a ‘delayed’ expression of mourning for his elderly ‘Aunt Doris’ who had passed away nearly one year earlier.

Andy Goram posing for photographs alongside numerous UVF Loyalist terrorists and thugs in front of their hate-banners. Rankers players including Jorg Albertz, Artur Numan, and Ronald De Boer also later attended a social function in the Middle East where numerous Loyalist terrorists were in attendance. Curiously, but not together unsurprisingly, the photographs of Goram were only printed by the Scottish media after he had left Rankers for another club.

Andy Goram's persistant alcohol abuse, gambling problems, sinister Loyalist associations, bankruptacy proceedings, womanising and marital break-ups – all done in the full glare of the media. Some folk really are short on dignity.

Andy Goram being arrested at gunpoint after becoming embroiled with drunken thugs on a flight from Italy, which was forced to make an emergency landing at Manchester Airport. This was just one week prior to him joining his new club…………Manchester United.

Paul Gascoigne’s disgusting and brutal domestic violence that left his wife bruised, battered, and physically injured. Staff at a Scottish 5* hotel were so horrified they immediately called the police, whereupon Sheryl Gascoigne was taken to hospital to have her injuries – including a fractured wrist and two black eyes - treated.

Paul Gascoigne's continuous drug and alcohol abuse culminating in him being sent home in shame from France 98 after he had hurled abuse at England manager Glenn Hoddle before storming out of the team camp at La Manga in Spain, leaving his luggage behind.

Paul Gascoigne defecating in the Away dressing-room jaccuzzi after a Celtic -v- Rankers game at Celtic Park.

Paul Gascoigne mimicking a Loyalist flute player in 1998 at Celtic Park, as bigoted Rankers fans sung an anti-Catholic hate anthem in time. Not just a bigot, but a dangerous one to boot. The clown-prince’s darker side was becoming harder to keep hidden.

Tore Andre Flo and Ronald de Boer posing for photographs with convicted sectarian murderer Michael Stone. Their claims of ignorance looked a little hollow in light of the fact that the murderous Stone was the much publicised ‘Star Guest’ that night.

Club Captain Lorenzo Amoruso racially abusing Nigerian striker Victor Ipkeba on the field of play, as they suffered yet another European humping – this time a 3 - 1 away exit to Borussia Dortmund. Amoruso first denied that any such incident had ever taken place, before being forced into a humiliating climbdown, after learning the incident was recorded by a TV camera. Falsely claiming that he 'had only swore in Italian' TV pictures clearly showed him mouthing racist obscenities in English. A thug, a coward, a rascist, and a liar.

Club Captain Terry Butcher being caught on camera, kicking the Away dressing-room door off it's hinges after a 2-0 defeat at Celtic Park. Calm down Terry, it’s only a game.

Elephant Man, and unanimous winner of The Ugliest Man In Football Award – EVER !! Davie Dodds being flung out of the family home in Bearsden, and divorced by his wife, after he was caught cheating behind his wife’s back with a groupie called Jackie Webster. Quite what Miss Webster’s guide dog thought of the situation, is as yet unclear !!

Ally Maxwell singing ‘The Sash’ and rousing the gutter-scum during a substitute's warm-up against CSKA in the early 90's. Maxwell who was on the touchline, could clearly be seen singing the hate anthem, and encouraging his fellow simpleton reprobates to do likewise. This sort of disgraceful encouragement of sectarian degenerate behaviour would later be repeated by numerous bitter Rankers morons like Roberts, Durrant, Gascoigne, Ferguson, Malcolm, Vignal, Prso ……….

Club Captain Barry Ferguson getting embroiled in a drunken brawl at a local hotel with rival supporters, after his team had lost to Celtic. Instead of attempting to maintain a low profile - for professional as well as personal reasons - Ferguson went home, got changed, and went back out drinking at the same hotel where the previous incident had occurred. Predictably, further trouble ensued, and Ferguson was involved in a drunken brawl, and physical assault at a nearby fast-food takeaway.

Club Captain Barry Ferguson throwing an ice-pack at Celtic manager Martin O'Neill during a defeat at Ibrox. Calm down Barry, it’s only a game.

Fernando Ricksen having to be physically restrained by Strathclyde Police officers after they arrested him at his Newton Mearns home for drunk driving. Ricksen first claimed he could not speak English, and then that he had been at home all evening. The felled lamp-post, and damaged Telecom box - as well as the testament of a number of neighbours - suggested otherwise. Ricksen was later convicted of drunk driving and banned from driving for one year.

Fernando Ricksen viciously kicking Aberdeen player Darren Young on the field of play. Ricksen denied there was any malicious intent, until he was caught blatantly lying after having posted on his own website, that his primary intention was 'to teach him (Young) a lesson by straightening him out.' Ricksen was subsequently banned for three games for his act of thuggery.

Fernando Ricksen brutally albowing Hibernian youngster Derek Riordan in the face during a CIS Cup semi-final. Rankers showed their disgust at this kind of onfield violence, and vowed to stamp out such thuggery. They demonstrated their intent by fining Ricksen a whopping......er.....£10k – or half of one week’s wage.

Fernando Ricksen pushing club Chairman John McLelland into a hotel swimming pool, ruining his designer suit, mobile phone, digital camera, and £12k Cartier watch.

Fernando Ricksen being warned by police to curtail his nocturnal revellery after being reported by neighbours on his quiet residential estate for setting off extra-loud firework displays at 4:00am. Ricksen further showed his contempt for the law by replacing his nocturnal pyrotechnics with rowdy 5:00am trampolining sessions with a gaudy Page-3 model he picked up whilst his wife had left the marital home on the grounds of his infantile behaviour. He thanked his neighbours for their concern by slagging them off in a Rankers-friendly down-market tabloid, and accusing them of the heinous crimes of 'being in bed by 11:00pm' and being ‘too quiet.'

Graham Roberts orchestrating bigoted Rankers fans in a rendition of a sectarian anthem at Ibrox. The game resulted in a brawl that included two Rankers players being charged and convicted of Affray, and Incitement To Cause A Breach Of The Peace. The convicted thug would later go on to establish himself as a firm favourite with the club’s gutter-scum element by repeatedly behaving in an exceptionally thuggish, provocative, antagonistic, and aggressive manner whenever he and his fellow ‘hammer-throwers’ (© Jan Bartram) came up against Celtic.

Nuno Capucho being ejected from a Glasgow nightclub after exposing himself to a female guest, and then accosting her by attempting to have her participate in his drunken sexual act. The fact that he is a married man seems to have been lost on him. Onfield, Capucho proved to be one of the worst players ever to pull on the tarnished blue jersey.

Kevin 'Billy' Muscat blatantly diving and feigning injury during a match at Firhill in order to have a Partick Thistle player (Gerry Britton) shown a red card. Self-proclaimed hardman Muscat, was nick-named Billy by his team-mates because the name Kevin sounded 'too Catholic' - a kind-hearted gesture they had previously bestowed upon Kevin Drinkell, and Kevin ‘Ted’ McMinn. In later years, Muscat was made Team Captain of Wimbledon FC by Dennis Wise. ‘Nuff said.

Duncan Ferguson being convicted and imprisoned for his brutal and unprovoked head-butt attack on Raith Rovers player John McStay at Ibrox in 1994. Ferguson was sentenced to three months in Barlinnie, and banned for twelve games by the SFA. In total, Ferguson has been convicted of assault, no less than four times. That is aside his other convictions of course, which include drunk driving. His convictions mean't he was unable to travel to America with new club Everton, due to being a convicted felon and repeat offender.

Graeme Souness being involved in numerous onfield incidents, in which he was frequently red-carded. His brutal style of play earned him the nickname of 'The Beast', and many players (George McLuskey, Billy Stark, Frank McGarvey) were the subject of his particularly nasty and brutal blend of football tackle. His brutality wasn't reserved purely for the football field however, and he once had to be physically restrained after lunging towards, and threatening a 60 year old tea-lady, during a heated confrontation at McDiarmid Park, just before a game –v- St Johnstone.

Graeme Souness - not being able to buy European success – deciding to try building a team of brutes who then sought to kick their way to victory. His signings (and legacy) included some of the most over-physical players in the entire game at that time (Terry Hurlock, Basile Boli, Derek Ferguson, Graeme Roberts...... narrowly failing to capture Stuart ‘Psycho’ Pearce) Thankfully for football's sake he failed miserably, and even ex-players slated his brutal tactics, with Jan Bartram once commenting that Souness “wasn’t trying to build a footballing side, but a team of hammer-throwers” and had told his players to “deliberately kick opponents.” In a scathing attack, Bartram also denounced Souness as “a beast” and “a hooligan.” No-one likes them, they don’t care.

Ian Durrant and Ted McMinn assaulting a man in Dumfries during an argument in the early hours of the morning. It was probably coincidence that the man happened to be wearing a crucifix.

John Brown singing '..up to our knees in Fenian blood..." as he joined in with the sectarian hate-mongers after a game against Club Brugge in 1993.

The provocative and undignified 'mock huddle' by Rankers players on winning the League title. Far from being content and celebrating their win, they obviously felt the requirement to antagonise their opponents by stooping to new depths and confrontational gestures. The condemnation by football authorities was deafening in it's silence.

Club-Captain and serial grogger Lorenzo Amoruso being found guilty of spitting on Ayr United striker James Grady and hammered with a four-match ban. The greasy-grogger seems to have a problem keeping his big ugly gob shut, after being caught live on TV committing one of the cowardliest, most dispicable acts one can, atop a football field. Amoruso was slammed with a mandatory two-match ban, but because his disciplinary record was so dire, the additional 12 disciplinary points incurred a further two-match ban. Rankers only comment on the subject was by Gingerbaws bemoaning the ‘loss’ of this thuggish, cowardly, excuse for a human being.

Lionel Charbonnier attending Hamilton Races with, getting 'inside' betting tips from, and posing for photographs with convicted gangster Paul Ferris.

Alex Rae’s disgusting and brutal assault on CSKA Moscow player Sergei Dadu in a UCL qualifier in August ’04. In a dangerous and unpardonable assault - when Dadu was lying vulnerable and defenceless, face-down on the ground - Rae twice aimed kicks to the player’s head – leaving him with concussion, in a act graphically captured by TV cameras. Rae’s later denial and sickening justification for his act of thuggery just added insult to injury, insulted the intelligence of anyone who witnessed the brutality, and merely confirmed his lack of restraint and remorse. Claiming that "their player put his head down. If anything, it was a dangerous act on his part. That's the end of the matter as far as I am concerned" – Rae failed to mention that it was him who had fouled the player to the ground in the first place. Despite receiving the backing of his under-fire manager, in a sickening act of tacit approval, Rae was charged with Gross Sporting Misconduct by UEFA and hammered with a 5-Match European ban. In a further act of remorselessness, desperation, and outright refusal to accept responsibility for such a thuggish assault, McLeish and Rae appealed the ban. They needn’t have bothered. Luckily for Rae the assault never happened outwith a football stadium, or he would have rightly been facing a lengthy prison term. Rae later boasted in an Xmas interview on Radio Snyde that “if I’d meant to kick Dadu at close range, he would never have gotten up again”. Obviously talking from experience.

Bob Malcolm autographing a fan’s match programme with the initials FTP below his signature. This is the self same Bob Malcolm who told disgusted travelling fans to ‘go fuck themselves’ after they had the temerity to complain about Rankers pathetic 1-0 humbling by Portuguese minnows Maritimo – a privilege for which those fans had forked out some £500.00 each for. Malcolm seems oblivious to the fact that it is those people who pay his grossly over-inflated wages, and those self-same people that are constantly being asked to be ‘the 12th man’ in vital games. On arrival back at Glasgow Airport, Strathclyde Police were waiting for Malcolm with a warrant for his arrest after he failed to appear in court for trial over a motoring offence. He later appeared handcuffed in court, where he was convicted and fined for his criminal conduct.

Shota Arveladze being shown on live TV racially abusing Bobo Balde on the field of play.

Stephen Hughes being stopped for speeding outside a local school, only for police to find out he didn’t have any insurance either. He was later convicted, fined £450.00, and had his license endorsed. Hughes’s previous plaudits include being punched in the face whilst involved in a mass brawl inside a Lanarkshire nightclub, and having a stand up fight with a woman who had to take off her stiletto shoe to defend herself. Six weeks later his cousin died on the same spot after leading a local gangfight between two sets of tooled-up rampaging hooligans.

Bob ‘FTP’ Malcolm being escorted from the Ibrox dug-out by 2 police officers during a CIS Cup tie for making an obscene gesture towards the Celtic officials in the Away dug-out. Malcolm escaped further censure but was given a stern warning by the Match Commander who pointed out that any repeat of his offensive and inflammatory conduct would result in immediate police action.

Celtic reject Nacho Novo deliberately stamping on Stephen Pearson's neck, as the young Celtic player lay on the ground. Think he might still be a wee bit bitter at being told he wasn’t good enough to get a starting place in the Celtic team.

Fernando Ricksen’s airey-fairey, pie-in-the-sky notions that he is regarded as some kind of folk hero back at his former club AZ Alkmaar. Ricksen was brought back to earth with a bump after some scathing revelations from his former team-mates. Current players at the Dutch ‘giants’ (capacity 10,000 !!!) were’nt slow to reveal what they thought of the man whom the scum-buckets idolize. Indicating the sort of sentiment with which Ricksen is held in the AZ dressing room, midfielder Barry van Galen described Ricksen as ‘a raving lunatic’ and ‘crazy’, whilst Striker Jose Fortes Rodriguez revealed that after spotting Ricksen and his vulgar-looking wife in Amsterdam recently, he actually crossed the street to avoid having to talk to them. Rodriguez went on to further slur Ricksen as ‘the least respected player in Holland’ after describing how he had deliberately and viciously stamped on the neck of AZ team-mate Barry Opdam during a training match. This was corroberated by pictures shown on Dutch TV. On returning to Alkmaar for a European tie in Nov ’04 – in which the huns predictably got gubbed – Ricksen was jeered repeatedly, and got so much stick from the home fans, he must have wondered if Neil Lennon had strayed onto the park. No-one likes them, they don’t care !!

Former hero Scott Nisbet being charged with two counts of common assault after beating up his girlfriend Jaqueline Rae at their home in Bonnyrigg, after worried neighbours phoned the police. Cowardly Nisbet slapped Rae repeatedly, punched her on the neck, and flung her against a wall, causing her to be physically sick. The shamed coward only escaped a jail sentence when Rae miraculously decided she no longer wanted to proceed with the charges. This remarkable u-turn of course, had nothing to do with the engagement ring that Nisbet cynically introduced to the proceedings. Nisbets first wife divorced him amidst bitter allegations of violence, assault, spousal abuse, and property damage. He joins a shameful list of notorious, cowardly, wife-beating, Rankers players including Gascoigne, Goram and Ricksen.

Craig Moore being questioned by police after racially abusing a Glasgow taxi-driver outside Queen St Station on Hogmanay. Moore attempted to barge ahead in the queue, and launched a tirade of rascist abuse at the driver who refused to carry him, when others had quite obviously been waiting longer. Moore’s arrogance got the better of him, and he called the driver ‘a greedy p*ki bastard’. A spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police said : "We can confirm that a 35year-old taxi driver has made a complaint against a man who allegedly racially abused him. It is alleged that the incident took place around 3.30am on Saturday, 1 January, in Royal Exchange Court, near to Queen Street Station in Glasgow. Police inquiries are ongoing."

Sleazy creep Nacho Novo having an illicit affair with the girlfriend of a team-mate who had taken him into his home when he first arrived in Scotland. Novo was unfamiliar with the country, and struggled to speak the language, until Raith Rovers midfielder Ross Mathieson invited him to stay at his home until he became a bit more familiar with life at the Kirkcaldy club. Slimy Novo thanked him for his hospitality, by having an illicit affair with Mathieson's girlfriend of six years, Donna Clark, in his own home. The tawdry affair cost Mathieson his relationship. With friends like Novo, who needs enemies, eh ?!

Gregory Vignal assaulting a ballboy at Celtic Park, by pushing him out of the way as the boy was retrieving the ball. The lad was left shaken and visibly upset, after being bundled out of the way by the French defender, who now adds bullying children to his list of pastimes which already include diving, and antagonising rival fans. Another wannabe jaffa, who plays to the gallery, knowing that the Death Star is one of the few places on the planet where talentless thugs like him are lionised.

David Robertson walking out on his wife and two kids, to set up a plush love-nest with one of his wife’s best friends. Just to make sure he shat on her good and proper, he chose the day of her birthday to do it.

Club Captain Fernando Ricksen causing a near riot at Celtic Park, by antagonising opposition fans with inflammatory gestures as he prepared to take a corner kick. Simply taking the corner kick would have been too easy for the man with the wild staring eyes, so to stir things up a bit, he decided a few inflammatory gestures were the order of the day. In the ensuing rage, Ricksen claimed he was struck by a small object thrown from the crowd. Whilst any form of missile-throwing cannot be condoned, has it ever entered this whacko's thick head, that if he continues to behave in a hostile, provocative, and inflammatory manner, it should come as no surprise that people respond angrily ?!

Stephen Hughes being arrested for breach of the peace, police assault, resisting arrest, and urinating in a public place, after a drunken night out in his home town of Motherwell. Hughes repeatedly shouted and swore at two officers as they questioned him for urinating in a shop doorway, after a win against Celtic in November ’04. When warned about his behaviour, Hughes became abusive and was subsequently arrested. As the officers escorted him to a police car, he lashed out at them, kicking, and punched one of them in the neck. The incident was considered serious enough for a Sheriff to demand that Hughes appear before him for sentencing. Hughes was later warned about the seriousness of his conduct and fined £200.00. Even in victory these scumbags lack dignity.

Being slated by Captain Shellsuit, on his return after a failed sojourn at Premiership strugglers Blackburn, as ‘a disgrace’ and ‘not fit to wear the Rankers jersey’ after yet another woeful league performance. You know you’ve hit rock-bottom when a failure starts criticising you !!

Diving cheat Sotirios Kyrgiakos being slated by SFA Executive Referee Brian McGinlay after his theatrical leap at Tynecastle, which resulted in the huns being awarded a 93rd minute penalty. The award enabled them to cheat their way to a win, at a time when they were under intense pressure from Hearts – and were hanging on to their SPL hopes by their fingernails.

Gordon Durie being charged with assaulting a British Transport police officer (Keith Lang) at Waverley Station in Edinburgh, by punching him, and grabbing him by the throat. Durie was also charged with committing a breach of the peace, by struggling with police officers, shouting, swearing, behaving in a disorderly manner, brawling with someone unidentified and making violent threats. Durie's accomplice hooligan, Paul Mooney, was charged with the same breach of the peace, punching and kicking transport police officer Graham Miller, and headbutting transport police officer Steven Pitblado in the face.

Club Vice-Catptain Alex Rae cheating on his wife, fathering a love-child, and then denying all knowledge of the affair, or that the child was his. After being reported to the CSA, Rae was forced to take a DNA test, and was subsequently confirmed as the father of the child he ignores and rejects. Rae was later forced to pay £10,000 per annum towards the girl's upkeep and schooling - and still rejects the child as his own.

Dado Prso being filmed on the official Rankers team bus singing ‘Hello Hello’ as the sectarian hate anthem blared in the background. This is despite a large percentage of those on board being Catholic. Bizarre people.

Sandy Clark trying to con parents into buying school sports uniforms from a company he owns, by getting his sister-in-law (a head-mistress) to slag off Asda, and suggest that parents buy from Clark's company (the imaginatively titled SC Sports Clothing) instead. What she failed to mention was that she was on Clark's payroll, and was receiving back-handers for touting his company as the 'official' uniform supplier. Huns and sleaze, eh – they make Tory politicians look like Boy Scouts.

Spanish misfit Mikel Arteta being pursued by Sheriff Officers and having litigation proceedings instigated against him after he failed to pay a £592 electricity bill from Scottish Power. Despite earning £35k per week, and despite numerous letters and attempts at contact, the sheepish midfielder remained evasive, and failed to offer payment for the outstanding debt.
Gingerbaws slating superstar dud Peter Lovetodive for refusing to GTF despite being told he has no future at The Death Star, but is still eating up a wage that the cash-strapped huns can ill afford. Describing Lovelypants as in need of “a fresh challenge” and “needing to restore his tarnished reputation” Gingerbaws tried to be diplomatic, whilst trying to tell the over-rated duffer that he was nothing but an over-paid liability, who simply can’t, or won’t take a hint. Interest in Lovelypants from other clubs has been deafening by it’s silence, yet this is the same Lovetodive that the Daily Retard told us was being tracked by Barcelona and Inter Milan. Slating the embarrasing dud, Gingerbaws went on to state “Peter Lovenkrands lost his form last season. He knows that we think it's right that he goes for a fresh challenge somewhere else. He has a lot to prove to get to the level of wages he is at next season. If he has another season like the last one then his reputation will plummet."

Former player Stuart Beattie being suspended from his current job after serious allegations that he brutalised and battered youngsters in his care, whilst employed at Kerelaw secure unit for problem children. Beattie – who played in the 80’s alongside the likes of McCoist, Ferguson, and Durrant – is accused of using outlawed restraining holds and participating in a regime of brutality wherein children were battered into compliance by those supposed to be helping them.

Andy Goram being convicted - again - of drink-driving and being banned for 3 years, and fined £1250. The Loyalist-terrorist-sympathising, wife-beating, Ibrox icon was stopped near his home in Langbank, and found to be more than two times over the limit. After discovering to his cost that not every constable in the Traffic Police is a member of The Brotherhood, Goram was arrested and charged. The Flying Pig was first convicted of drink-driving in 1995, when he was banned for 18 months. Some people simply never learn.

Former defender and dressing room wallet-thief Hugh Burns being barred from Dalmilling Golf Club after he hurled sectarian abuse at two elderly club members. Burns turned up late for a tournament, and when told that he could not play, went into a sectarian rant, and hurled bigoted abuse at the elderly tournament officials.

Dado Prso being charged with dangerous driving, after he cut up another motorist and jumped a red light on Crow Rd, near his home in the hun enclave of Bearsden. PoorShow, who pled guilty by letter, was ordered to appear for sentencing on October 12th, when he was fined £250 for his dignified behaviour behind the wheel.

A desperado Captain Shellsuit being booked for diving in the box as the huns slipped 11 points behind Hearts in a 1-0 gubbing at Swinecastle.
Clown prince Paul Gascoigne’s PR firm going bust and leaving a trail of unpaid debts. The fat boozebag wife-beating bigot isn’t quite as popular as he once was with the Brit arse-lickers and loyalist hun hoardes who laughed at him in his hey-day. Now that demand for the junkie washout has dried up, and sales of his dreary autobiography have slowed to a crawl, his imaginatively titled company Paul Gascoigne Promotions has been forced into liquidation with debts on the wrong side of a staggering £100,000.

Gordon Smith and Mark Hateley refusing to accept any form of responsibility for their bankrupt company which left Scottish tax-payers with a £15,000 bill to foot. At the hint of a penny to be made, Smith and Hateley were quick to accept directorships of the disasterous 'Legends' footballing series company, but weren't quite so visible when the company crashed leaving others to foot the massive Strathclyde Police bill. Dignity all the way brothers.

Desperado cheat, Dado Prso being booked for diving – yet again – after taking a blatant swan-dive against ‘pub team’ Artmedia Bratislava.
Peter Lovetodive being awarded 0/10 for his match performance against ICT by the Sunday Times Sport Section.

Fernando The Commando being threatened with legal action by his property agent for continuously and selfishly using his neighbour’s private parking space – as well as his own. Neighbour from hell Ricksen has ignored repeated requests not to park his car in his neighbour’s space at Lancefield Quay, and now faces the prospect of legal action.

Peter Lovelypants and Derek ‘Pieman’ Johnstone conducting a public slanging match after The Fat One dared to criticise Lovetodive for being a hopeless duffer, impersonating a footballer. Lovenkrands hit back by accusing The Fat One of biting the hand that feeds him, and for not having a clue as to what he was talking about. If you ask me, they’re both right ! Two Rankers legends washing the club’s dirty laundry in public – doesn’t get any more dignified than that.

The Fans

Attacking the Moscow Dynamo players (before the full scale riot) during the 1972 ECWC Final in Barcelona. As Moscow Dynamo coach Konstantin Beskov stated, "We had the advantage and momentum at the end of the game - they were trailing 3-2 - when the Rankers fans broke onto the pitch and attacked our players."

Being called ‘savages’ by UEFA President Gustav Wiedekehr after rioting huns shamed themselves in Barcelona in 1972. In a scathing attack, Mr Wiedekehr angrily stated “ The Rangers fans behaved like savages. We must find ways to keep such people from football stadiums.”

Rioting inside and outside Old Trafford during a ‘friendly’ in 1974, causing the stadium to witness some of the bloodiest violence in it’s history, as bigoted huns attacked and bottled United fans, simply because some of them were Irish.

Trying to start sectarian riots in Dublin before and during a game against Bohemians in 1984, which the huns lost 3-2. Rankers fans attacked police and Bohemians fans outside and inside the ground, until they were beaten back, and forced to spend the rest of the game cowering in fear, as they got a taste of their own medicine. Half of the huns never even made it in the first place, after being thrown off the Liverpool / Dunloghaire ferry for rioting. The ferry was turned back, halfway across the Irish Sea after drunken huns started running amok and fighting with other passengers. The Rankers fans thought it would be a good idea to link up with those other paragons of tolerance Linfield, who were playing Shamrock Rovers the following evening, and wreak havoc in the south of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, they didn't bank on the spirit of the Irish people who turned their little wrecking jolly, into a day of fear the huns would never forget. Even to this day, Rankers fans experience a cold shiver when asked about their memories of the trip. Most have conveniently chosen to forget.

Convicted Loyalist terrorist, and UDA Godfather John Gregg being ambushed and shot dead by fellow Rankers fans in 2003 after returning to Belfast from a match at Ibrox. Gregg, who was sentenced to 18 years after a failed assassination attempt on the life of MP Gerry Adams, was slain by a number of gun-totting masked men wearing Rankers shirts, who then fled the scene in a stolen taxi.

Brutally assaulting sports photographer Eric Craig as they invaded the Hampden pitch after the 1980 Scottish Cup Final. Craig was left deaf in one ear, and with a gruesome dent in his head after he was beaten and struck with a Pomagne bottle 'hurled at him by a Rangers fan.' He also had to undergo an emergency six-hour operation at the Southern General Neurosurgical Unit, and still suffers from headaches and dizziness. He also gave up attending football matches after the huns attack which left him traumatised. As Mr Craig later commented "You can still feel the hatred from these people, even after 25 years. I don't know if they'll ever be able to be cured."

UVF Loyalist Godfather William Taube being murdered at Ibrox Stadium in a revenge attack, on a Sunday night in April, 1999, during a Loyalist [Blue Mist] function. The function was held to celebrate the release of, and was attended by, several Loyalist prisoners from the Maze Prison. Security was provided by Taube's UVF friends, including a leading member of the UVF in Glasgow. Despite this, Taube was attacked and head-butted down a flight of stairs before having his head smashed on the marble flooring of The Edmiston Suite. He later died at Glasgow's Southern General Hospital. In a sworn statement to the Crown Office, a witness claimed he had been threatened with knee-capping if he failed to tell police the attack he saw was 'a drunken accident'. Following the incident, the witness received death threats and now lives in hiding, terrified of retribution. Taube's assailant was chased and beaten up in the car park before managing to flee. He has never been caught.

Members of the BNP arrested for Loyalist agitation and recruitment activity outside Ibrox stadium. The BNP feel they have a natural empathy with the politics of Rankers fans with whom they share certain racist, bigoted, homophobic and xenophobic ideals.

Barcelona 1972 : The only fans in European history not to witness their club receiving the trophy in a post-match presentation. Rankers fans were too busy rioting on the field of play at the time, so the ceremony had to take place.............in a dressing room. Following the match Rangers fans rioted in the streets outside the ground, clashing with Spanish police and causing extensive damage in the city. Rankers fans also vandalised the exterior of the city's Catholic cathedral, which was daubed with sectarian graffitti. Similar anti-Catholic sentiments were expressed on buildings, in later years on visits to the Italian cities of Parma and Turin. The scenes of mayhem and violence caused by rioting huns in the Nou Camp remain some of the most disgraceful ever witnessed at a football match.

Repeated hate-posts on FF containing sickening homophobia, with thread titles like ‘Homophobic And Proud’ and ‘101 Uses For A Dead Gay’. This is in addition to numerous repeated sick posts about injured, dead, or disabled people including Stephen Hawking, Christopher Reeve, Emlyn Hughes, Brian Clough, Jordan’s (the topless model) blind toddler son and many others. The list – in no way exhaustive - extends to Mother Teresa, Harold Shipman’s victims, footballers who have died in tragic circumstances, P & O Ferry drowning victims, the Tsunami victims, and those who died on Piper Alpha. Is no-one immune from these brainless morons ?

The only club in football history to be unable to defend their trophy due to the behaviour of their fans. After the rioting that occurred in Barcelona, Rankers received a UEFA one-year ban from European competition.

Being outed as sectarian bigots by one of their own - fellow Rankers fan, and American tourist, James Armstrong, in 1998. During his tour, Armstrong spent a day socialising with Mark Dingwall and some of the other Loyalist FF keyboard bretheren (SMac, SM, & SJ). He attended the day's match v Kilmarnock at Ibrox (Walter Smith's last home game in charge, which Rankers lost 0-1) after Dingwall had got him a ticket for the Club Deck. After an evening's revelry in the Auctioneer's pub, followed by a trip to the curry house, Armstrong caught the last train back to Edinburgh, where he was staying. Onboard the train, he describes the sectarian singing of his fellow passengers, and how he was disturbed by the bigotry they espoused. "There were about ten other Bears singing drunkenly the entire trip back. 'Hello! Hello! We are King Billy's Boys! We're up to our knees in Fenian blood, Surrender or you'll die!' There were other sectarian songs. The bigotry was disturbing."

Throwing a golf-ball with nails projecting out of it at Peter Grant during the notoriously hooligan-hun mid 1980’s. According to Grant himself, the deadly missile only missed his head ‘by a couple of inches.’

Saying that El Hajj Diouf 'deserved a knighthood' after the disgusting and vile episode when he spat on football supporters. This serial low-life has been warned, fined, and banned numerous times, and is a disgrace to both the footballing fraternity in particular, and the human race in general - unless of course you're a Rankers fan, in which case he's a candidate for investiture. Funny, the sort of people these huns look up to ?!

The outrage by huge sections of the club's support after Rankers ended their sectarian signing policy - eventually - and signed a Catholic after almost a century. The arrival of the said Catholic was met with protests, derision, boycotts, and the surrender and burning of numerous Season Books. Fans' leaders appeared in television documentaries in later years, proudly displaying their full and unused Season Books, as a result of their continued non-attendance protest at the presence of a Catholic player at the club.

Rioting before, during, and after the notorious Villa Riot game in 1976 where 8000 drunken huns went on an orgy of robbery, violence, and hooliganism which brought Birmingham to a standstill. People's doors were kicked in, pubs wrecked, shops looted, and Villa fans bottled and stabbed as rampaging huns brought an orgy of drunken violence and terror to Birmingham. Hooligan huns without tickets broke down the gates of the Holte End, and rampaged onto the terracing attacking the Villa fans with bricks and bottles. The violence was so serious that it was reported live on World Of Sport just after kick-off, with Dickie Davies warning Villa fans not to go into their home end for the threat of being attacked. The game was marred by dozens of rampaging fights as drunken huns attacked the home fans, and was eventually abandoned at half-time in the interests of crowd safety - with the huns typically on the losing end of the 2-0 scoreline.

Using child abuse as a cheap weapon in a tawdry point-scoring exercise, whilst seeking to slander the memory of Jock Stein. A sickening t-shirt stunt was planned which sought to denigrate Scotland's most successful manager, at the expense of innocent children who were the victims of a heinous crime. Thankfully, those in charge of the club recognised that particular cancer in time to exterminate it's malignant influence, by threatening life bans for any degenerate perverted enough to carry out their twisted plan. The stunt was no empathy for those who suffered abuse - it was a way of using their suffering to fabricate lies about someone who isn't here to defend himself. Psychologists call it the 'Theory Of Cognitive Dissonance' whereupon one seeks to denigrate another in order to make themselves feel better, and tries to justify their actions by a twisted rationalisation that their victim 'deserved it.' It was the same tactic that the Nazis used on Jewish holocaust victims, and is the same reasoning that wife-beaters use to justify their cowardly violence, in their own minds. The intentions of the deranged low-lifes at Ibrox was to try and tarnish the status of a footballing giant, whilst wading in a cesspit filled with the remnants of human suffering and broken lives. What could be any lower than sullying the reputation of a dead man with lies and fabrication, at the expense of children who were the victims of a heinous crime. This truly is the lowest of the low - and another benchmark for these vile reprobates.

The sectarian murder and homicidal violence perpetrated on Celtic fans, by Rankers-supporting bigoted maniacs. Once investigated and convicted, the perpetrators have often been found to have grown up in an anti-Catholic environment that encouraged sectarianism and division along football and religious lines. One of these thugs, Jason Campbell (who murdered Mark Scott in 1996) is the son of a convicted Loyalist UVF terrorist. He is also a diehard Rankers fan, and was defended during his trial by the Rankers FC Vice-Chairman Donald Findlay QC - himself later forced to resign after a shameful sectarian hate incident. In 1998 Findlay also defended another Rankers-supporting, Loyalist thug, Thomas Longstaff (who cut the throat of Sean O’Connor) is an almost copy-cat attack to Campbell’s. Police later admitted, that in the two-year period between these attacks, 38 similar assaults had taken place in the area, all directed at Catholics or those wearing Celtic colours. The learned Mr Findlay was happilly singing his hate anthems on the same day in May 1999 that 16 year old Thomas McFadden was being stabbed to death by two Rankers fans in Govanhill after they watched the huns play at Hampden. His ‘crime’ was to be wearing a Celtic top. Also in 1999, Carl McGroarty, was shot in the chest by a bolt fired from a crossbow as he left a pub wearing his Celtic top. On the same day, another young Celtic fan, Liam Sweeney was stabbed repeatedly after leaving a Chinese takeaway. His green jersey and the calling of his name to collect his food order was enough to identify him as a Catholic from an Irish background. Later the same evening in Ayrshire, three young Celtic fans - one female - were viciously attacked by a large mob of Rangers fans. All three were hospitalised, one of the men had receiving horrific head injuries, and the other a broken jaw. In 2003, Celtic fan Thomas Loughrey was stabbed to death by James McCormick in an unprovoked attack in Pollokshaws. Thomas had made the fatal error of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, as McCormick – high on drink and drugs, took offence to his Celtic top. In October 2004, Ian Gray was stabbed to death by convicted thug Brian Cooper after he had spent the day getting acutely more drunk after watching an Orange Walk, and then attending a match at Ibrox stadium. Cooper, who received ten years for his act of bigoted murder, admitted sectarianly abusing Mr Gray, before striking him with a wine bottle and repeatedly stabbing him in the back. How many more innocent Celtic fans are to be butchered before something is done to curtail these sectarian animals – and the hatemongers who defend them ?

Having 15 hooligan fans jailed in September 1999 by a Dutch court after they were convicted of mobbing and rioting before, during, and after a European tie with PSV Eindhoven. The hun thugs - all from Scotland - were convicted by the court in Den Bosch, and sentenced to periods of imprisonment ranging from 4 weeks to 24 weeks. Afterwards, they were immediately deported upon release. No one likes them – they don’t care !

Being so sectarian that they've had a play dedicated to them because of their bigoted and anarchic perceptions of society. In James Barclay's 'The Bigot', Loyalist, Royalist, Rankers fan Andra Thompson is the sash-wearing embodiment of a typical west of Scotland hun, who worships Rankers, Ulster, Ian Paisley, The Orange Order, The Freemasons, and The Royal Family. At the same time, he hates Catholics, Celtic, Irish people, and anything green in general. The play is an accurate depiction of a hackneyed and twisted old sectarian dinosaur from days gone by, still applying those same tired old bigoted concepts to every second of his waking life. It is a scathing social comment and a damning indictment on a huge percentage of the Rankers support, and how they continue to conduct themselves. Despite the advancement of society, they continue to live their lives in a bigoted and intolerant manner as if they were still living in 'the grand old days of yore'. In Scotland the clocks go forward an hour every year - unless you're a Rankers fan – in which case they go back three hundred years !

The repeated sight and sound of numerous thousands of Rankers fans racially abusing the players of opposition teams, simply because they are black. This behaviour is widespread, blatantly obvious, and as yet unpunished by those who administer the ticketing of Rankers fans. This inaction is viewed by many as tacit complicity.

Starting a FF thread on the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's assassination to praise psychotic murderer Mark Chapman for 'cooly pumping 5 bullets into him'. Added posts went on to denigrate the victim's memory, whilst praising and showing appreciation for the cold-blooded killer who murderered him. Not to be outdone, further posts went on to heap praise, and urge others not to forget, 'the sterling work done by' other deranged assassins including 'Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan', who assassinated John F Kennedy and his brother Robert.

The disgusting and blatant sectarian abuse by Rankers fans towards Celtic player Neil Lennon. The player has been victimised, brutalised, assaulted, had his property vandalised, and most sinister of all, has had his life threatened. All of these incidents have come from persons later proven to support, or have links to Rankers FC, or have had blatant Rankers connections. How serious need this get before something is done about the cancerous hatred of these people ?

The club being forced to refrain from playing a popular chart song over the Ibrox PA system at matches due to Rankers fans hijacking it, distorting the words, and turning it into a sectarian club anthem. The song was later to be repeatedly sung by tens of thousands of Rankers fans for numerous seasons, dispelling the myth that Rankers cancerous sectarian hate was simply the practice of ‘an unrepresentative minority.’ Indeed, if this was the sectarianism of their minority, heaven knows what depths their majority would sink to.

The persistant and widespread mobbing, looting, and fighting by Rankers fans whenever they attend Away matches involving Rankers FC. A recent, but by no means exhaustive list includes : Munich, Rotterdam, Birmingham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Fulham, Liverpool, Bucharest, Paris.......... The above is an obvious reason why Rankers are exceptionally rarely invited to play in testimonial and friendly matches.

Rankers fans being involved in widespread violence and sectarianism during a European tie in July 1998 in Liverpool. The match - against Irish club Shelbourne - had to be moved to a neutral ground (Tranmere Rovers / Prenton Park) because club officials knew that the sectarian Rankers fans could not be trusted to travel to Ireland without the genuine fear that they would cause mayhem and injury – if not murder (See Bohemians 1984). It so proved that they couldn't be trusted to travel to England either, where they had to be baton-charged by more than 150 fully clad riot police, as they tried to attack the Irish fans. Amidst mopping up the carnage that Rankers fans caused - including smashing the windows of the Shelbourne FC team bus - Liverpool police commented that Rankers fans would never again be allowed to freely roam the city. If they ever again, did have cause to visit the city, severe policing restrictions would be applied. This has later been proven to be the case as numerous English cities have faced severe alcohol licensing restrictions when Rankers are scheduled to play there. The above is another obvious reason why Rankers are exceptionally rarely invited to play in testimonial matches.

The embarrassingly shameful booing and vitriolic hounding of Shota Arveladze by his club's own fans, because he had the temerity to bless himself before entering the field of play, during a recent trip to play Linfield in Ireland. For good measure, the Catholic-hating, sectarian, Loyalist hate-mongers of Linfield abused him as well.

Printing the personal details in a Rankers fanzine of those certain people suspected of having handed the ‘Donald Findlay’ video tape over to the meeja. The inference was that most fellow huns wouldn’t be too bothered if ‘some harm’ befell the culprit(s).

Having three hooligan fans jailed for 20 months each in March 2004, after they brutally attacked an Aberdeen fan in Glasgow as he returned there to catch a train following a Scottish Cup tie in Dumfries. Video footage showed pedestrians diving for cover and the fight was only stopped when police arrived. Damning the Rankers hooligans, Sheriff Linda Ruxton said jail was the only option in the interests of the public. "This was an incident associated with football violence, which brought about a serious disturbance. It took very little to lose control and, as a result, you behaved like hooligans. It must have been a frightening experience for those that were witnesses. Your actions made Glasgow city centre a very dangerous place. Public interest demands that a custodial sentence must be passed."

The shameful desecration of silence tributes to football legend Sir Matt Busby - because he was a Catholic - and assassinated President John F Kennedy for the same reason. Not even the dead are immune from sectarian vitriol it would appear.

The shameful displaying of Loyalist paramilitary banners by sectarian Rankers fans, who glorify those convicted of sectarian murder, and that mock the deaths of their victims. Banners have also been flown denigrating the memory of deceased Celtic players, and of a young Catholic man (Robert Hamill) who was kicked to death by a sectarian hate-mob wearing Rankers shirts. To recreate the assault in which this young man died, sick Rankers fans invented a terracing dance called 'the bouncy' in which they emulate the sickening attack. This was later revealed as being so on FF when a poster admitted to ‘joining in the celebration of the death of a Catholic.’ This act represents a hatred and a depravity that is hard to quantify.

Having Rankers fans describe the terrorist attacks in New York on September 11th - and in particular the deaths of hundreds of NYPD & NYFD members - as 'deserving' because some of these brave citizens may (or may not) have been part of the pipe band that welcomed MP Gerry Adams to the USA.

Rankers fans deliberately aiming and setting off a pyrotechnic firework in the direction of the Family Section at Celtic Park in October 2002. The device, which police described as ‘a large firework which contained a smaller series of firecrackers’ was set off in an act of blatant hooliganism, with a blatant disregard for the children and families who were seated there. Thankfully no-one was seriously injured by this wanton act of thuggery.

Convicted sectarian, drug-using, drug-dealing, thieving, receiving, criminal-damaging, knife-carrying, fraudulent, car stealing, electronically-tagged, vandalising, burgling, fire-raising, peace-breaching, disqualified-driving, neighbour-from-hell, Lotto thug Michael Carroll who is Rankers daft and their self-confessed 'greatest fan'. Carroll, who has over 50 convictions for almost every kind of degenerate sociopathic disorder recently invested £1million in the club he most identifies with, and which he feels most at home in. A neighbour (Ruth Leeks) who recently collapsed with an asthma attack due to the toxic fumes caused by one of Carroll's customary caravan bonfires, commented 'I feel sorry for the guy because he's obviously so stupid that he has a screw loose and needs help'. As she said this, Carroll and his tattooed hoardes were busily obstructing firemen who had been called to extinguish yet more of his toxic-plumed handiwork.

The repeated vandalism of the Away support section at Celtic Park following a 'visit' by Rankers fans. Although Celtic FC refuse to discuss the cost of repairs, it is believed to run into thousands of pounds for each and every game. The fact that all damage is then has to be paid for by the very club they claim to ‘support’ seems totally lost on these reprobates.

Numerous arrests and subsequent detention of a number of Rankers fans who fraudulently tried to pass off counterfeit Euro currency in Stuttgart before a recent European tie. They were later convicted and sentenced to various periods of imprisonment, bringing further shame on an already notoriously thuggish and hooligan criminal support.

Rankers fans causing a near-riot on the stadium concourse at Ibrox after the refreshment stalls were found to be offering green and white straws (part of an assortment) to customers. Threats of violence and sectarian abuse were hurled at junior catering staff before police and stewards were called in to restore order. Because of this incident, there are now no green and white straws anywhere to be seen at any of the Ibrox vending stalls. Who says the bigots aren’t in control ?!
Using 120 forged tickets to gain entry to a league match at Celtic Park and stealing the seats of fellow Rankers fans, leaving them locked out and unable to see the game. There is nothing much lower than stealing from your own people. Possessing no morals whatsoever, the thieves – incredibly - later tried to shift blame for their dishonesty by suggesting that Celtic FC were responsible for not preventing them from gaining fraudulent access in the first place. As CS Kevin Smith (Match Commander) pointed out “The match saw a number of Rankers fans with genuine tickets turned away because other, so-called, fans entered the stadium with forged tickets. Every person entering with a forged ticket deprives a genuine fan with an authentic ticket of the chance to get in.” Are there no depths to which these gutter-scum won’t sink to ??
Being branded ‘shameful’, ‘filth’ and ‘ a disgrace’ by Bobby Robson after a pre-season match at St James’s Park where they persistantly abused Alan Shearer to such an extent, that Robson took him off the park. Robson later commented that he had plied his trade for decades, in numerous countries around the world. This was the first time he had experienced such malice, on such a vile scale, and the first time he had ever felt needing to take one of his players off the field of play. Yet another ugly first for the gutter-scum who support Rankers. Seems the hypocritical hate-mongers only love Engerrlunnd when it suits them.

Rankers fans continued and repeated racial and sectarian abuse of Neil Lennon over two adjoining fixtures which prompted Martin O’Neill to publically comment on his utter disgust at the situation. Despite condemnation from the media, politicians, and the wider Scottish public, Rankers refused to condemn their bigoted and sectarian fan-base who continue to bring shame on their club. On the very day Martin O’Neill’s comments were reported in the media, he himself was viciously abused by the Ibrox hate-mongers during a match with Austrian minnows Grazer AK. Hollow claims from the Ibrox hierarchy that any abuse was made by ‘a minority’ were publically dispelled when a near full house was broadcast on live television heard to repeatedly abusing Martin O’Neill as ‘a Fenian bastard’. Later, and displaying a deporable ignorance of the facts, not to mention a typical and wholly predictable display of Ostrich Syndrome, David Murray attempted to claim that ‘generalisations of Rankers fans as racist bigots, were inaccurate’. In his view ‘the vast majority of Rankers supporters are decent, respectable people’. Pity none of them were amongst the 50,000+ that were inside Ibrox that night, Mr Murray – or perhaps you just need to take your head out of the sand. Having said that, when you’re drowning in a sea of debt, the bigot’s pound is as good as any, eh ?!
A Rankers fan (Derek Hume) being arrested and charged with verbally abusing Bobo Balde in a racist and sectarian manner during a game at Ibrox. At the same match another Rankers fan (Alan Martin) was arrested, charged, and later plead guilty to verbally abusing Momo Sylla and Bobo Balde in a racist and sectarian manner. He also admitted making ‘monkey noises’ and shouting racist abuse.
Rankers fans attacking a Glasgow Merchant City bar (Locomotiv) filled with Celtic fans and pushing two of them through a plate glass window. The thugs, many of them with Rankers scarves pulled up over their faces were caught on CCTV attacking the bar, throwing bottles and missiles at it, and attacking the customers inside it by punching and kicking them, whilst chanting sectarian songs. Another blatant example of the hate-filled, sectarian hooligan culture that pervades those who support Rankers.
Having a list of ‘famous’ fans that includes human pig-sty Andy Fordham, Scotlands unfunniest man Andy Cameron, convicted Lotto thug Michael Carroll, washout junkie bigot Martie Pellow, and Shellsuit Bob from no-mark telly show River City.
Sectarian abuse being hurled at four Catholic priests in Stornoway on the Isle of Lewis by local hooligans wearing Rankers tops. The priests were warned to leave the island ‘before they were cremated’. One of the priests (Father Paul Hackett) was later mailed a death threat before his parish (The Church Of The Holy Redeemer) was burned to the ground as he slept. Other preists were threatened with ‘having their throats slit’ and ‘being strangled’. It would appear that in the minds of some hate-filled bigots, merely being a Catholic is justifiable grounds for execution.
Organising a poll on FF to canvas support in order to get the telecommunications company Orange to become Rankers new kit sponsors. Posters were asked to sign their vote of approval – many did. Another blatant display of Rankers inextricable links with Loyalism, and the Anti-Catholic Orange Order.
British Transport Police having to board a train in Ayrshire after Loyalist thugs returning from a Rankers game began vandalizing the carriages after having subjected the terrified occupants to mile upon mile of sectarian bigotry and drunken thuggish behaviour. Two young male passengers on the train were also assaulted. A number of arrests were made before the passengers were allowed to resume their journey, grateful in the knowledge that their safety now wasn’t quite so precarious.
Starting a near riot at Pittodrie in a brawl with Aberdeen fans that caused many people to be injured before riot police had to be called in to take control. As stated in The Telegraph " Trouble began when fans in the Rangers section hurled coins and bottles at Aberdeen's Robbie Winters as he prepared to take a corner kick. The home fans invaded the pitch to confront their rivals. Rangers followers tried to meet them half way, but were prevented by 50 police officers in full riot gear. The referee took both teams off and the match was held up for 17 minutes. Nine supporters received minor injuries, two requiring hospital treatment. Police made 13 arrests before the game and one during it, and others were ejected from the ground."
When canvassed for their opinions on how the Unofficial Rankers fanzine 'Follow Follow' could be better improved for the fans, the following were some of the most popular replies : naked page 3 girls, a porn section, a 'faggot' section for all the weirdos and gays, naked female Rankers fans photo section, a section on football thugs and violence, a gossip column. Nice to know their readership are real football fans, who are interested in the genuine issues that affect the club.
Racially abusing two Muslims in Stuttgart Airport, shouting at them : ‘You murdering c**ts shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a f**king airport.’
Numerous members of Rankers much trumpeted ‘anti-sectarian’ joke mob The Blue Order being arrested for both sectarianism and overt rascism. Far from discouraging bigotry, these resident hate-mongers have been a catalyst for it’s expansion. The most recent exploits of this ‘family friendly’ environment include members being arrested for calling Mark de Vries a ‘n*gger bastard’ during a recent match –v- Hearts at Ibrox. So cancerous is the environment created by these bitter individuals that the club has had to resort to planting undercover stewards within their designated seating area to try and quell the intimidating and malicious atmosphere. To date, numerous members have been arrested, ejected, warned, or banned. If that’s what goes on in their much trumpeted ‘anti-sectarian’ section, one shudders to think what goes on in their sectarian sections.
Singing a song that glorifies committing the sectarian murder of Neil Lennon. The song ‘Hang Neil Lennon’ which Rankers fans admit to singing on their buses en-route to Ibrox, includes the lines ‘Hang Neil Lennon, Hang him high, That I may see that Fenian die..’ They’re nice people, really.
Verbally abusing young cancer victims to score cheap points against Celtic footballers who were at a Cancer Unit trying to brighten up the children patient’s Xmas. The Gub’s ‘baldy headed weans’ diatribe – backed up and supported by his bitter little clique of twisted cronies - was one of the most malicious, disgusting, and vile comments ever uttered by a Rankers fan. Thankfully, some decent Rankers fans had the courage to take this scum-bucket to task over his degenerate hatred. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, they were the ones who were banned from the board. Hypocrasy and suppression are alive and well on Fascist Fascist. Shame on you, ya twisted, evil, bitter bastard.
Suggesting to eachother that Rankers should try and cheat their way to further progress by deliberately throwing their forthcoming UC group match against Auxerre, with a view to securing an easy draw in the next round of the tournament. If Rankers finished 2nd in the group (Alkmaar were favourites for 1st place) they would face the likes of Real Madrid, Valencia, Porto, Deportivo, Liverpool, Ajax etc. If they came 3rd – which would happen if they conveniently ‘lost’ to Auxerre – they would face the likes of Lille, Dnipro, Seville, Bilbao, Zaragoza, Partisan Belgrade etc. With seedings for the next round based on where a team finishes in their previous group, the 1st eight would play the 3rd eight placed teams, and the 2nd eight would play those who parachuted in from the Champions League. Bearing that in mind, the following post appeared on FF. “I personally believe that if we are hearing that Alkmaar are coasting it against Grazer (for example 3 goals up) we should deliberately lose the match to Auxerre. Progress in Europe is vital for the club and coming 3rd instead of 2nd enhances our chances of further progress and to me it is a no-brainer - the club must act in their own best interests”. Aside the fact that Rankers are living in cloud-cuckoo land by considering others as minnows, it seems the hun would rather cheat his way to ‘success’ rather than face the prospect of playing a decent team, in an honest and fair manner.
Being criticised for their constant moaning, and arrogance, by their own Chairman, who said he sometimes wished they “could be more like Celtic’s fans”, who back their team through thick and thin. He was referring to their constant negativity, whinging, getting arrogant after a decade of domestic success, and forgetting about what’s really important to the club.
Being the first club in Britain to have a fan convicted of religious bigotry after one of their sectarian hooligan fan-base was arrested at a match v Copenhagen at Ibrox in Aug 2003. The bigot was arrested for singing vile sectarian songs promoting Loyalist murder gangs and was charged with 'A Breach Of The Peace, Aggravated By Religious Prejudice'. He was convicted and sentenced in March 2004, when he received 120 hours community service and a one year probation order. He also received a banning order from Ibrox, and joins another 14 sectarian bigots who are serving life bans, and a further 82 who are serving 'indefinate' bans. In addition to this, a further 191 bigots have been issued with written warnings for contravening Rankers better-late-than-never 'Pride Over Prejudice' arrangement, and a further 1257 have been warned for 'behaviour deemed inappropriate, offensive, or unsocial'.
Refusing to acknowledge that as a schoolboy, true-blue Alex Rae used to play for Celtic Boys Club, is married to a Tim, and has a number of lifelong Tim mates (many of them from his CBC days). Tut Tut – and him one of ‘the peepil’ as well ?! Seems it’s just too painful for the great unwashed Kinning Parkers to countenance the thought that their numero-uno, arch idol, and Uber-Prod is anything other than a 100% dyed-in-the-wool jaffa. Anything less would be treason, wouldn’t it ??! Maybe if they just refuse to believe it, it’ll all just go away !!
Being described by MSP Donald Gorrie as ‘bigoted and abusive’ after bombarding him with hate-mail after he refused to back their twisted, biased, Rankers-based, Anti-Catholic, Pro-Loyalist agenda. For the crime of remaining neutral over a highly complex and bitterly entrenched issue, Mr Gorrie has now - along with other anti-sectarian campagners - become a figure of hate for the bigots. In other words, if you’re not with us, you must be against us. Not that they’re blinkered or anything like that !
The RSA & RST proving just how weak and impotent they really are during their much-publicised and much-vaunted showdown meeting with Graham Speirs (The Herald) at Ibrox. Despite re-assuring the scum-buckets baying for Speir's head on a silver platter, that 'those representing them will be thouroughly prepared' - they came back after three hours of trying with their tails between their legs, and a whole bunch of nothing. During the meeting Speirs reiterated his belief that Rankers fans' "bigotry is worse at Ibrox than elsewhere, and is greater in it's frequency" and that that his article in support of Neil Lennon was wholly justified. The fact that he again 'attacked the Rankers support as a whole' merely re-iterates what a wasted exercise this was for the beleaguered bretheren of the RSA. No doubt they had a bit of explaining to do when they returned to face the blood-thirsty hoardes in Kinning Park ?! Ah well, back to slating him on FF it is then.
The disgraceful and cowardly verbal attack by a number of drunken Rankers fans on Jean-Alain Boumsong inside an Ibrox hospitality suite, after a European tie –v- Auxerre. Boumsong, who was sitting with his girlfriend and family, was confronted, and subjected to a torrent of personal abuse, before being told to 'F*ck Off To Newcastle'. The Tyneside club had earlier in the day, entered a £7.5m bid for him - something he could neither prevent, nor influence. Confirming the nasty incident, the player's enraged agent Willie McKay, said the bust up left Boumsong's girlfriend 'very upset by what was said' and and he himself stated the ugly confrontation 'left a very nasty taste in the mouth'. If this is how they treat one of their most popular players, heaven knows what vitriol is reserved for the out of favour ones ?!
Wishing Jean-Alain Boumsong a ‘career-ending leg break’, ‘permanent blindness’, and ‘malignant cancer’ after he left Ibrox for St James’s Park. Hell hath no fury like a hun with a grudge.
Posting a thread on FF asking which splinter faction of degenerate, homicidal, drug-dealing, Loyalist psychotics they supported and favoured most. The favourites - which ran into scores of replies - were South Belfast UFF, West Belfast UVF, East Belfast UVF, Cluan Place UVF, Tigers Bay UFF, 'C' Company UFF, East Belfast Protestant Boys, South East Antrim Defenders, Ulster Young Militants, Protestant Action Force, Red Hand Commandos, and the Young Calvay Volunteers. Anyone who doubts a direct link between this Loyalist hate-mongering on FF, the gutter-scum who frequent Ibrox every other week, and their ‘influence’ all the way to the top, need only read one of The Gub's veiled boasts about how tight FF is in the corridors of power at Ibrox'. “Murray phoned up GS (Grandmaster Suck = Mark Dingwall = Editor : FF) and asked for a pow wow earlier this year.” This demonstrates explicitly that a direct line of communication exists between David Murray and Mark Dingwall at FF.
Denigrating those who died in the Tsunami tragedy by suggesting it was their country(s) own fault for not having proper sea defences, and then saying that the charity money should be "spent in Britain, not used to bail out those who'll probably be over here soon as asylum seekers."
Attacking a disabled Dundee United fan before the New Year's Day game at Tannadice this year. The fan, who is well known to Arabs as Charlie, was kicked and punched by two hun neds as he came out of the toilets beside the George Fox Stand, just before the kick-off. Other fans who witnessed the cowardly attack, chased the low-lifes, before giving their description to the police. Sad day when a disabled person can't go about their business without being assaulted by hun scum-bags.
Having another of their vile, sectarian, bigot fans convicted of ‘Breach Of The Peace - Aggravated By Religious Prejudice’ when he (Scott Primrose) was sentenced to 240 hours Community Service and placed on probation for 1 year. Primrose was arrested inside Ibrox as he spewed his bigoted hatred during a game against Celtic in 2004. The judge instructed that Rankers be asked to ban the knuckle-dragger for life.
Having yet another bigoted sectarian Rankers fan (Stuart Davies) being convicted of a religiously aggravated assault. Davies was caged for 22 months after subjecting his victim - a Celtic fan - to a prolonged and vicious attack as he was sitting in his own front garden. Afterwards his victim needed 16 stitches in a gaping head wound. Sentencing him, Sheriff Alfred Vannet said : "I cannot see any other form of disposal other than that of a custodial sentence. You viciously attacked an innocent man, for no other reason than religious prejudice. I further order that Rangers Football Club be informed of your conviction." Also convicted in the same attack was fellow bigot, and fellow Rankers hooligan (Stephen Baxter) who will be sentenced at a later date.
Having 27 fans arrested at the Celtic –v- Rankers game in Jan ’05 despite being fore-warned that their embarrasing sectarian hatred would not be tolerated. Not a single Celtic fan was arrested during the same fixture. The huns were later convicted of a multitude of various unsocial, violent, and sectarian offences. Should we have expected anything less ?!
Being slated by Ibrox legend Ally McCoist for the vicious and fickle way they turned on former golden boy Barry Ferguson, after he left them for a bigger club. When rumours of his possible return to The Deat Star surfaced, McCoist slammed the ‘fickle fans’ who continued to abuse Ferguson – although poignantly highlighted that they’d soon change their tune should he actually return. Another former hero Andy Gray chipped in his tuppence-worth by saying Ferguson would be ‘crazy to even consider going back to Ibrox.’
Having their hooligan neds attack Chris Burke while he was out for a meal, and then subsequently try to blame Celtic fans. The neds spotted Burke at the China House restaurant in Shettleston and proceeded to cause a disturbance and smash the plate glass window of the restaurant, causing terrified diners to run for cover. After Rankers number one fanzine (The Daily Retard) had printed ill-informed, sensationalist lies – including inventing a bizarre hammer fabrication - the truth was only brought to bare when the player's own family issued the following statement : "There was no hammer, no Celtic fans, and none of the teenagers wore Celtic strips. They were all Rangers fans with Rangers tops, and they were knocking on the window when it smashed." Ah, well, at least The Retard tried, eh ?!
Verbally abusing HIV-positive Labour politician Chris Smith, saying he deserves to die of AIDS for being gay. Some of them even volunteered to pull the trigger to 'finish him off early.'
Suggesting that Tony Blair (and his Papist wife ?!!?) should be executed, hung, and given the 'Kennedy treatment' after he publically apologised to Irish miscarriage of justice victims who had been wrongly imprisoned for over 15 years of their lives.
Hooligan thugs endangering the lives of other fans by deliberately starting a fire in the toilets at Celtic Park - after smashing them up first. The deranged lunatics burned all the toilet rolls and paper towels causing an alert which had to be extinguished by security staff, resulting in the area being hurriedly cleared and cordoned off. In the resulting panic, people were in danger of being crushed, as fans tried to use the toilets, not knowing they had been set on fire by Rankers psychos who don't even care if they endanger their own fellow fans.
Slashing a steward at Celtic Park during a match v Celtic. The steward – a Rankers fan – was called a ‘fenian bastard’ before he was cut with a blow to the face. His injuries were tended by medical staff at Celtic Park before he was rushed to hospital.
Having one of their violent, sectarian sewer-hole pubs closed after police, and the licensing board slammed it for being ‘sectarian, abusive, and violent’. Walkers in the east end of Glasgow had it’s licence summarily revoked, and it’s owner was banned from holding a drinks licence. The pub has been the scene of numerous violent, sectarian incidents, and numerous arrests have been made on the knuckle-draggers who frequent it’s bigoted environs. In February ’05, a Celtic fan was chased out of it, and stabbed repeatedly after making the fatal mistake of not knowing it was a violent, bigoted, sectarian, hun-filled cesspit.
Stealing the handbag of a fellow female fan during a match at The Death Star, which contained her ID, purse, house keys, and car keys. Probably why she tried to use the FF messageboard to track the culprit down and ‘have the bastard slashed’.
Causing mayhem, rioting, and battling with rival fans during a testimonial match at Roker Park, in 1993, which included a number of Sunderland fans being slashed, and one being thrown from a moving train.
Having one of their violent, drunken, bigoted, knuckle-draggers arrested at Celtic Park after he sneaked into a Celtic section, and subjected opposition fans to a torrent of religious and sectarian abuse. Robert Reid was almost too drunk to stand, but still found the energy to spout his hate at those who were seated around him. As he was arrested, Reid – filled with dutch courage - challenged fans and police to fight, and hurled a torrent of bigoted abuse. His drunken thuggery cost him a £500 fine and 2 years probation at Glasgow Sheriff Court. At the same match, another of their sectarian, violent drunken louts (John Johnstone) was fined £250 after being arrested, after he was refused entry. Johnstone was found to be drunk and incapable, and lashed out at police and stewards who arrested him as he provoked rival fans with bigoted abuse. Maybe these sectarian cretins took their lead from some of the sterling examples set down by their onfield icons ??!
Showering the Inverness Caley players with a barrage of coins, after Brian Prunty equalised in the 90th minute during a game at The Death Star. This was only 3 days after hooligan Rankers fans threw coins at Mark Burchill after he equalised for Hearts at Swinecastle. Rankers only stole the points in that game, after notorious assistant referee Andy Davies (a Rankers fan with a history of making dubious ‘genuine’ errors) awarded a non-existant penalty after a theatrical dive by Sotirios Kyrgiakos. Not a single other – including the huns themselves - had claimed for, nor saw any incident, but in a truly mystifying and bizarre joint decision, Hugh Dallas (who had earlier failed to award Hearts what looked to all as a stonewall penalty) overturned his earlier award of a goal kick, and pulled a 93rd minute penalty out of the hat, to give the huns a 2-1 victory. Hearts chaiman George Foulkes – like many others - called for an immediate SFA inquiry, and questioned ‘the integrity of the decision’ and wether or not ‘anything untoward’ was present in making it.
Being slated by club Chairman David Murray for being Catholic-hating, sectarian bigots who weren't welcome at The Death Star (or anywhere else for that matter !). In a scathing condemnation of the hate-filled knuckle-draggers who frequent Legoland every other week, The Grand Imperial Knight Dragon Wizard FINALLY amassed the courage to openly admit that Rankers fans have a disgusting, bigoted, and hate-filled element who espouse nauseating, anti-Catholic, sectarian hatred. In a BBC interview, Murray summed up the Rankers fans’ deep-rooted and longstanding problem with sectarian hatred when he stated "There's simply no place at Ibrox for the FTP brigade and those who would have us wading in Fenian blood. We have a proud history and heritage, but this is not what gets us in trouble. It is the 'baggage' of foul singing and sectarian references during, and at the end of traditional Rangers songs which causes me and everyone at this club a problem. We cannot defend it and we must get rid of it." In the same interview, Murray slated and warned those elements within the Rankers support who espouse rascism, fascism, and support for paramilitary sectarian murderers. No one likes them - they don't care !!
Having an additional 28 Blue Order reprobates banned for sectarian and rascist chanting. The bigots - referred to by the club's own chairman as 'the FTP brigade' - were ejected from the ground after making anti-Catholic, and sectarian chants during the club's tarnished (and previously banned) anthem 'Simply The Best.' The (better late than never) strategy was sanctioned by the club's security chief Lawrence Mackintyre, who was finally embarrassed into taking action, in order to begin eradicating the club's woeful and dire sectarian problem. In addition to the 28 banning orders, the remaining 300 members of this bastion of tolerance received warning letters, threatening them with draconian sanctions, should they fail to desist from spouting their virulent and nauseating hatred.
Naming a Cup Final in memory of a bigoted and embittered individual, who stated that Rankers first high-profile Catholic signing (Mo Johnstone) "shouldn't be here." The so-called 'Cooper Final' was such a tribute to his memory that his name wasn't even mentioned until the 88th minute. Curiously, Bobby Sands, and King Billy were accoladed from almost the first minute onwards, and even Derry’s Walls managed a mention before him – just as one of their hooligan supporters was holding up the match, by invading the field of play.
Claiming that the banning of scores of nauseating Blue Order sectarian bigots from The Death Star, was only so that David Murray could re-sell their seats to his fatcat cronies, for the final -v- Celtic game of the season.
Hun bigot Scott Campbell being sacked for gross misconduct from his job as an airport fireman after sectarianly abusing Neil Lennon and Chris Sutton at Inverness airport. Ex-RAF bigot Campbell - a Season Ticket holder at The Death Star - subjected the players to a hate-filled torrent of disgusting sectarian bile, before being confronted by a club security official. His appeal against the sacking was dismissed almost as immediately as he was. Officials at Inverness airport, later issued a full and unreserved apology to Celtic Football Club, for the actions of this dim-witted nugget.
Celebrating the death of Pope John Paul II – less than 24 hours after his passing - with some of the most repugnant, deranged, moronic, sectarian bile ever to have eminated from within the sewers of red, white, & blue repugnance. Whilst his death was being mourned globally by billions of people from all creeds and denominations, the sectarian hate-mongers from Kinning Park were singing their loathsome repertoire of hate-filled intolerance, and Anti-Catholic venomous bigotry. Rankers opponents (Motherwell) had proposed a minute silence, but this had to be over-ruled by police who feared ‘a riot’ if the tribute went ahead. What a truly sad shower of lost souls.
Verbally abusing Bob 'FTP' Malcolm during a 0-1 defeat to Dundee Utd at The Death Star. Malcolm was the target of sustained abuse after the huns failed to overturn the SPL's bottom-placed team this season, despite three attempts. Malcom was jeered and swore at by huge sections of the 'loyal' support, and was applauded finally ........ when he got subbed.
Assaulting Stilian Petrov with a plastic drinks container filled with ice cubes after he had scored a goal at Ibrox. As Petrov turned to celebrate scoring, he was struck in the face and felled by the missile, launched by one of Copland Road's resident hooligans. As Petrov lay injured receiving medical treatment, the bigoted hate-filled hoardes could be clearly seen in the background - and by millions on TV - mouthing sectarian obscenities and making threatening gestures at the injured player. On learning that the culprit – if found – would face a life ban from The Death Star, enraged huns were up in arms and professing support for the deranged one. Whilst some felt he ‘deserved a medal’ and that Petrov had ‘got off lightly’ - others suggested that next time the psychotic thug should throw ‘a half brick’ ….. ‘a golf ball with nails in it’ ….. or a ‘heavy ball-bearing.’
Having the BNP handing out leaflets and selling their publications on Edmiston Drive before the final –v- Celtic game of the season in April ’05. The hate-filled, nauseating, rascist, bigoted intolerants of the BNP feel they have a natural affinity with Rankers fans, and know that Ibrox is one of the last corners of the land where they are embraced.
Having to be seperated by stewards from battering eachother because some of them couldn’t be arsed holding up the Bill Struth banner. Those super-cool, know-it-all, superfans of The Blue Order did their bit of course, but the wasters in the Govan Front were nearly beaten for not giving a toss about this so-called legend. The Blue Order – don’t you just love them ?! – just got their Season Books back after being banned, and now they want to punch everyone’s lights out.
Letting of a smoke grenade at Pittodrie and causing scores of fellow fans to run for safety from the blinding, acrid smoke. The plan was to throw the missile at the Aberdeen fans, but the gormless hun who ignited it, panicked and ended up causing chaos in amongst the Away end, filled with travelling huns.
Causing a total ban on all football shirts to be imposed at Glasgow SECC concerts after they started a fight at a Rod Stewart concert. Five bitter huns were arrested in the ensuing brawl, started because they couldn't stand the sight of seeing a Celtic fan enjoying himself.
Being so bitter and bigoted that they smashed 114 green-light lenses (in a 16-month period) from traffic lights in Larkhall, where people's safety obviously comes secondary to hating anything coloured green. This is in addition to the local chemist (Moss Pharmacy) having to change the existing colour of it's shop front from green and white, after vandals repeatedly attacked the shop, and locals refused to shop there. This would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
Bigoted Argyll Chief Fire Officer Ronnie Souden being arrested and charged with a religiously aggravated assault, and Breach Of The Peace after a huns defeat. This upstanding pillar of the community - married to a police officer - was arrested after attacking a Celtic fan and screaming sectarian abuse at him, in the aftermath of yet another drubbing at Legoland. No matter how you dress them up, or what cloak of respectability they masquerade under, a hun will always be a hun.
Being slated and condemned by Club Chairman John McClelland as rascists, after a disgraceful barrage of rascist abuse was hurled at Bobo Balde and Momo Sylla during yet another defeat at Celtic Park. McLelland was forced to speak out after a global audience of millions could clearly hear on live TV, the despicable and moronic chanting of Rankers loyal fans. "I do not condone this kind of behaviour, I deplore it," stated a clearly embarassed Mclelland. "There was such a crescendo during Saturday's match. I heard noises of this kind, and it is unacceptable. It is a difficult problem to deal with, but we will do everything we can to make sure the message gets across to our fans. We do not want people who come to games to indulge in racist behaviour like this. Steps will be taken to make sure we weed these people out and I urge fans not to conduct themselves in this fashion."
Having four of their hooligan fans arrested on the P & O Troon - Larne ferry after they rampaged and fought with other passengers, whilst returning from a match at Legoland. Riot police boarded the ferry after the hooligan huns fought a running battle and assaulted three members of staff who tried to prevent them from attacking other passengers.
Having one of their bigoted hooligan season-book holders arrested and charged with two counts of Breach Of The Peace (Aggravated by Religious Prejudice) after he assaulted a Celtic player on the field of play. David Galbraith admitted assaulting Stilian Petrov during a match at The Death Star by felling him with an ice-filled drinks container, as Petrov celebrated scoring a goal. Seems some huns just can’t stand the sight of seeing someone in a Celtic jersey, without wishing to inflict physical harm upon them. Galbraith – who has a number of previous convictions for drunken, sectarian and loutish behaviour - was later sentenced to 100 hours community service for his vicious act of bigoted thuggery.
Having three of their sectarian bigot hooligans fined and sentenced to 200 hours community service each, after they were convicted of attacking a number of people in a campsite at Loch Earn in Perthshire. The victims – one of whom was attacked with a saw – had objected to the hooligans blaring out their sectarian Rankers clubs songs in the early hours of the morning, but were brutally attacked after they complained.
Having Follow Follow slated and condemned by an independent report (The Extent Of Online Sectarianism) on internet forum bigotry, which highlighted a sickening culture of blatant bigotry, sectarian hatred, pro-Loyalist sentiment, and fervent anti-Catholic antipathy. The findings were backed and accepted by Nil By Mouth, and the Scottish Executive’s Cross Party Working Group On Religious Hatred.
Having one of their violent thug fans described by a judge as ‘one of Scotland’s worst football hooligans.’ The ned, Janet ‘The Gannet’ Smith – a 20 stone, loathesome, toothless hag from Ayrshire – was sentenced to 200 hours community service after she was convicted of leading a mob of over 100 violent hun thugs into a pitched battle, in which bottles and bricks were hurled at fans of a junior football club in New Cumnock, Ayrshire. The Gannet arrived for sentencing in her trademark unwashed huns top.
Fighting with Dynamo Zagreb fans outside the Toronto SkyDome after being gubbed 1 – 0 by the Croats. Inside the stadium, the Croatian national anthem had to be sung twice due to booing, and a silence tribute to the London bombing victims was marred by the drunken sectarian bile of the hooligan huns.
Having one of their hooligan bigoted sectarian reprobate fans convicted of threatening an 11 year-old girl, and screaming sectarian abuse at her – all because she had a Celtic top on. Ryan Buchanan was convicted at Perth Sheriff Court after he admitted hurling sectarian abuse at the child, and committing a religiously aggravated Breach Of The Peace. Before fining him £650.00, Sheriff John Miller told the hun, “This was a despicable offence that involved you threatening a small girl with physical harm, and shouting and swearing at her. Furthermore, it was aggravated by religious prejudice, and I hope that you are suitably ashamed of your conduct. You placed a young girl in a state of fear and panic, and the entire circumstances of the incident are quite deplorable.”
Having two of their bigoted sectarian knuckledraggers fined €6000 each for organising an illegal Orange march in Benidorm. Despite Spain being a Catholic country, Bryan and Catherine Sheeran, who own the Ibrox Bar in Benidorm, thought it would be quite alright for them to bring their anti-Catholic hateful intolerance to mainland Spain. Etelviná Andreu Sánchez, the Alicante government delegate who imposed the fines, said: "They defied the ban and even went ahead after the London bombings, which shows how insensitive they are." Benidorm's municipal police chief, Juan Fuertes, insisted the march hadn't been authorised. "We stopped it after about 10 minutes when they started to block the road. We took the names of the organisers and they deserve to receive the maximum penalty for breaking the law."
Having their whinging, moaning fans boo the team off the park after a game against Borussia Moenchengladbach – despite the fact that the game was only a friendly, and ended in a draw. Less than 25,000 even bothered to turn up for it in the first place.
Boo-ing David Murray before the flag unfurling ceremony in July 2005, claiming that he ‘didn’t deserve’ to be doing it, and had ‘nothing to do with the team’s success’. Must have been the only time The Mint was glad that they couldn’t sell all their tickets, and only 48,500 bothered to turn up.
Encouraging eachother to park in spaces reserved for disabled drivers, and to overcome suspicion by pretending ‘you’ve got a gommy leg’ or pretending ‘to be a spastic.’ Really dignified, eh ?!
Stealing others fans’ flags from their seats at Legoland. Each fan had received a mini flag to celebrate the pre-match flag raising ceremony at the beginning of the season, by having had it left on their seat. Unfortunately the temptation was just too much for certain low-life scumbags, and as a result, many of their fellow huns had to go without their commemorative momento, so that others could satisfy their greed. Just can’t trust anyone these days ?!
Racially abusing Shunsuke Nakamura on his debut by hurling a torrent of vile abuse at him, with references to his nationality, colour, and his country’s involvement in a war over 60 years ago. His crime appears to be that he is Japanese, instead of being a white Protestant. Some real bright sparks even hurled hate and abuse at him for being “a chinky bastard.”
Being banned from travelling with Stena Line for subjecting other passengers to hours of sectarian hatred and lacing the journey with hateful songs about murdering Catholics. Stena Line received scores of complaints about the abusive sectarian behaviour of the knuckle-draggers. The relative of one passenger who was on the sailing said, "They were not singing football songs, they were singing sectarian songs about killing Catholics, named Catholics that have been murdered." A spokesman for the ferry company said "We are taking this action for the well-being of all our passengers, many of whom are families with children, and none of whom should be subjected to this kind of sectarian and abusive behaviour."
Rioting alongside their Loyalist Catholic-hating bretheren in an orgy of hateful destruction that included : 1,000 police being deployed, 1,000 soldiers being deployed, 50 police injured, Petrol Bombs being thrown, Blast Bombs thrown, Pipe Bombs thrown, shots fired at police, 7 firearms recovered, a bomb factory being found, and an innocent man being left critically injured after a bomb blast. As cars and buses were being hijacked, huns in orange tops could clearly be seen hurling bricks, stones, and petrol bombs at police.

Starting a thread on Fascist Fascist entitled ‘Neil Lennon Is A Bigot’, which attracted scores of hate-filled sectarian replies including (but not limited to) : bomb the fenian b****** : hang the fenian high : ugly f****** ratfaced fenian scumbag : dirty wee donegal (sic) fenian mother f***** rent bhoy : lennon fenian b******, GTF ya taig c**** : scumbag ginger b******, hang him high : hang the fenian scumbag : f*** off out of my country and go and pick some tatties : a dirty little fenian c***. I think some people may have missed the original point ?!??

Boo-ing Boab Malcolm (again) when his inclusion in the starting line-up was announced before the CIS Cup home tie with Clyde. The huns had to go to extra-time before shaking off Clyde, but they had to do it without Fat Boab, who got hooked on the hour-mark, to a chorus of much applause. Seems that some of these haters will hate anything – even one of their own ‘FTP Uber-Prods.’

Being slated (again) by thie own Chairman for being bigoted sectarian scumbags. In a forthright statement in March 2005, Murray stated : “It is the baggage of foul singing and sectarian references which causes me and everyone at Rangers a problem. We cannot defend it. We must get rid of it."

Sectarian hun drug-dealing scumbucket John Mackenzie having £16k of his drug money seized under the Proceeds Of Crime Act whilst he was over in Ireland for an Apprentice Boys march. Lowlife coward Mackenzie - a Club Deck season ticket holder, and owner of Renfrew's Crimson Club - tried to fit up a painter & decorater, by claiming the man must have planted a batch of Amphetamine, whilst decorating his Renfrew home. Not surprisingly, the judge didn't believe his bizarre excuse, and seized financial assets totalling £15,831.21.

Trying so hard to shake of their bigoted 17th century sectarian Catholic-hating image, that they voted three to one in favour of having The Sash played over the stadium PA system prematch, in a recent FF poll.

Having another of their bigoted hate-filled nuggets being found guilty of sectarianism. Fraser Taylor was fined £500 under the Terrorism Act for wearing a UVF shirt on the day of a Rangers v Celtic match. Fraser was convicted of wearing the shirt, while sectarian songs were being chanted at the Mermaid Bar in Saltcoats, Ayrshire, arousing suspicion that he was a member or supporter of the UVF.

Issuing yet more death threats to victimised Celtic player Neil Lennon, and threatening to burn down the Glasgow hotel where a gala evening was being held in his honour. In a story from the national media, rabid huns from Fascist Fascist encouraged eachother to 'torch the place' during the event whilst other sickos suggested 'invading' the gala dinner to ‘cause mayhem.' Dignity, right enough, eh ?!

Throwing their scarves away after a 0 – 0 draw with Artmedia Bratislava, to leave the Legoland technical area resembling a red, white, and blue battlezone. This was after roundly boo-ing the players off the park, and showering Gingerbaws with abuse for almost the entire match.

Boo-ing the PA safety announcements for foreign fans, despite playing in a stadium where so many people lost their lives due to poor safety conditions being a contributory factor.

The Blue Order starting a bar-brawl and assaulting members of The Rankers Club during a fight at a function held there. By their own admission, pensioners were attacked and punched in the face during the free-for-all.

Fernando The Commando being booked for diving as the huns trailed ICT 0 – 1 in a game at legoland that saw them slip 10 points off the lead and to fourth in the table. The huns eventually scraped a 1 – 1 draw, but not before Prso took one of his customary dives as well. Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess ?! During the game supporters threw their scarves onto the pitch in disgust ; two fans had to be seperated from fighting in the Broomloan front ; and a police presence was ordered to protect the Main Entrance after a mob of angry huns tried to stage a protest against Gingerbaws, The Dark Lord, and Baldy Bain.

Bert Konterman admitting on Dutch TV, during a broadcast of Panorama : Scotland’s Secret Shame that the hun’s right-hand, straight-arm terracing trademark is ‘a Nazi salute.’

Having 19 of their drunken hooligan fans flung off an EasyJet flight bound for Bratislava. The huns had refused to put their seatbelts on, and some were too drunk to even wake up. Faced with the prospect of having these dangerous loonies mid-air for an additional number of hours, the Captain contacted groundstaff at Stansted, and had them forcibly removed by police, who lumped them onto a train back to Glasgow.

Having yet another of their stinking, bigoted, sectarian fans charged with a Breach Of The Peace : Aggravated By Religious Prejudice after he was arrested for wearing a Red Hand Commandos polo shirt. Graeme Crawford from East Kilbride was ordered to appear at Glasgow Sherriff Court for trial, for promoting a sectarian paramilitary organisation at a Rankers match.

Having one of their lying bigots caught making up a fantasy about being attacked in Glasgow by Celtic players Craig Bellamy and John Hartson - whilst both were actually 200 miles away in Inverness !! Gordon Fielding - a self confessed follower of the huns - claimed that Bellamy, assisted by Hartson, had kicked him in the face outside a Glasgow restaurant, but checks showed that the Celtic players were actually away with the team, who were playing Inverness Caley Thistle that day. Fielding was arrested and charged with wasting police time. He later plead guilty at Glasgow Sherriff Court to lying to police, and fabricating the entire story in a pathetic attempt to besmirch the player’s character, because he resented Bellamy’s high profile with Celtic. Huns, can they actually get any sadder than this ??

Battling with Bolton fans in the square after the CL away match in Porto. The riots started after two drunken huns threw their pints at a crowd of Bolton fans who had been taunting them about being plastic Engerrlunders. Thereafter, tables, chairs, and pints went flying as the huns ran for their lives, whilst Bolton punched the living daylights out of the two ‘hardmen’ pint-throwers. The rest of the huns steemed in to help the two trouble-makers, and all hell broke loose. Riot police were soon on the scene, and the two bars were immediately cleared and shuttered. The huns were unceremoniously dumped out of the bars, cleared from the square, and time was called on an early night. More dignity on foreign shores from these national embarrassments.

The Club

Being so football orientated, that they were started by a group of Protestant rowers, who named them after an English Rugby Club, and so that the owners – brothers Peter & Moses McNeil – could make a quick buck from flogging football shirts from this new game of football.

Vice-Chairman Matt Taylor openly stating in 1967 that Rankers policy of refusing to sign Catholics was 'part of our tradition .... we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support.'

Operating a sectarian, non-Catholic signing policy for nearly a century. Even employees who were married to Catholics suffered victimisation, and ostracisation including Sir Alex Ferguson who revealed in his autobiography that he was 'hounded out' of Ibrox because he was guilty of the heinous crime of having a Catholic wife. After the religion of his wife became known, Ferguson says he was ‘treated differently’ by former friends and colleagues.

Having their hooligan rioting history used as the basis for a study (Crowd Behaviour at Football Matches - A Study in Scotland : The Football Trust 1984) published by the Football Safety Officers (Scotland) who catalogued hun violence from the turn of the last century. The scathing indictment included the following litany of shame : " Riots, unruly behaviour, violence, assault and vandalism appear were a well established, and dominant part of the crowd behaviour from at the 1870s. Rangers had their quota of pitch invasions and abandoned matches, and their crowd seems to have gained a reputation fairly early on for having an unruly element. Neither of the New Year's Day matches in 1898 or 1905 finished, and the 1909 riot, in which 6,000 spectators beat up police, tore down goal posts, lit bonfires and cut firemen's hoses lasted for two and a half hours and resulted in 58 police and 60 others being treated at hospital. Influence from Northern Ireland was particularly strong during this period. Harland and Woolf started operating in Govan in 1912, bringing over many Protestant workers, while others came in the munition boom. Given that this was the bloody phase with war and then partition, it is not perhaps surprising that aspects of the culture of Ulster took deeper root in the West of Scotland. Disorder continued to be associated with Rangers' games, and there were notable outbreaks of disorder in 1941, 1949, 1953, 1955, 1957, 1958 and on into the 1960s. The disorder comprised fighting, bottle throwing and pitch invasions, in addition to ritual chanting, obscenities, and jeering. The club appealed to their supporters in various ways to stop the rowdyism, which was seen as the work of a few hooligans. Certainly the Rangers' board seem to have been increasingly discomforted by the adverse publicity its supporters received and the open suggestions in the press that they were largely to blame for the problem and could help end it by signing a Catholic. There were significant crowd problems at Ibrox in 1973 and 1975, but it was a Rangers' fans riot in Birmingham in 1976 in a 'friendly' with Aston Villa, which provoked the biggest media storm. In general Rangers' expressions of disapproval and condemnation of 'certain sections' of their support, which had followed earlier outbreaks, were seen as irrelevant and now the Glasgow press severely criticised the club. The press detailed the Rangers' fans riots in Wolverhampton, Newcastle, Barcelona and now Birmingham, along with minor skirmishes elsewhere, and condemned the club. The general tone is revealed by Ian Archer in the Glasgow Herald, who stated : "This has to be said about Rangers ….. as a Scottish Football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist".

The Death Star being the spiritual home of the Anti-Catholic Orange Order, and the huns holding the annual Divine Service there from the 1950's until 1997.

Refusing to accept responsibility for the criminal and despicable actions of their players and fans. The club refuse to condemn the guilty parties, and indeed are often seen to condone their behaviour by failing to publicly - or even privately - censure them. There have been numerous incidents over the years in which criminal acts have gone unpunished, and similar despicable acts have been repressed and concealed. Cast your mind back, if you will to :

David Robertson vandalising parked cars on a drunken binge, Ian Durrant and Derek Ferguson fighting in a kebab shop, Sandy Clark's sectarian abuse of Celtic Park ball-boys, Fernando Ricksen's litany of criminality - Paul Gascoigne's brutal domestic violence........ - Many of these incidents have resulted in criminal convictions, yet Rankers have still refused to condemn or sack the guilty parties - even though many have been found guilty in a court of law. Fernando Ricksen's violent conduct on Derek Riordan for example was dismissed as 'more reckless than violent' and Paul Gascoigne's spousal abuse was dismissed with the throwaway line 'what happens behind closed doors is no-one else's business'.

Being caught cheating by tampering with the width of the park at Legoland before a CL tie with Dynamo Kiev. This was to try and stop the Kiev wide men from playing to their strengths. The unsporting behaviour brought furious reaction from UEFA who immediately instigated a new law to ban this kind of underhand behaviour from ever happening again. They criticised Rankers heavily for their ‘bad sportsmanship.’ Huns and level playing fields, eh ?!!

Umpteen members of the Legoland dressing room being members of the Catholic-hating Orange Order, including Eric Caldow and Bobby Shearer, and the revelation by former players that ex-Manager Jock 'The Bigot' Wallace encouraged players to scream 'No Surrender' in the dressing room pre-match, as they listened to Loyalist hate-anthems on cassette.

Rankers Vice Chairman, Donald Findlay being forced to resign after being caught on film by a hidden camera singing sectarian, intolerant, and anti-Catholic anthems at a Rankers fans' victory celebration event. This is not the first time that repeated bigot Findlay has been embroiled in a sectarian incident. He was also forced to resign as Rector of St Andrews University after his despicable anti-Catholic and bigoted sentiments became public knowledge. This man was said to have been one of Scotland’s finest legal brains. If that’s how sectarian the intelligentsia are, what hope for the plebs ?

Being dumped out of Europe yet again, this time from the UEFA Cup by Czech unknowns Viktoria Zizkov. Despite fielding a full-strength team (Klos, Moore, Konterman, Amoruso, Ricksen, Ferguson, Arteta, Numan, de Boer, Arveladze, Lovenkrands) - which included a string of highly-paid internationals, and allegedly ‘world class’ players, Rankers still managed to get embarassingly thumped by the anonymous Czech minnows. On the suggestion that Rankers were now the laughing stock of European football, one dejected Bear commented ‘I dont think our profile is now even high enough to be considered their laughing stock !?’

Setting a European Cup record for being the team humped with the highest aggregate score (murdered 12 - 4 by Eintracht Frankfurt in 1960) and a Champions League record as well (annihilated 8 - 1 by Juventus in 1995).

The cynical release of an orange Rankers shirt to appeal to the club's sectarian element - under the guise that they were celebrating the club's Dutch contingent. This blatantly profiteering charade was even derided by the club's own fans who disgustedly remarked that they (Rankers FC) strangely haven't celebrated the Dutch contingent at any other time - before or since. So blatant is the club’s homage to their sectarian fanbase and the orange pound that they soon after released another almost identical shirt – this time in a cynical and bizarre link-up with a team of Chinese minnows.

The shameful and cynical designing of a sash - sorry slash - across the chest of the current Away kit to pander to the club’s lowest common denominator and sectarian fan-base. Critics were accused of ‘paranoia’ over what was described as ‘a mere coincidence of design’. Funny, I seem to remember it co-incidentally happening at Loyalist-friendly Airdrie FC for a time as well.

Drowning in so much crippling debt, that they had to sell off an entire team to try and rid themselves of £80million worth of mismanagent and over-spending. Out went players like (Amoruso, Tugay, Albertz, Van Bronckhurst, Gattuso, Amato, Reyna, Cannigia, De Boer, Numan, Ferguson, Arteta, Mols) – and in came some of the biggest embarassments and over-the-hill duds ever to grace the field at Legoland (Capucho, Emerson, Vanoli, Nerlinger, Ostenstad, Berg, Mladenovich) to play alongside the likes of Ross, Malcolm, Hughes, Thompson, Rae, Hutton, Namouchi…… Oh dear.

Only preventing ‘celebrity’ Rankers uber-hun and convicted Loyalist paramilitary terrorist murderer Michael Stone from attending a Rankers -v- Celtic match after grave concerns over public order being expressed by Strathclyde Police, who threatened to arrest him if he attempted to enter the stadium. Michael Stone murdered three innocent Catholics in a cowardly, murderous, graveyard bloodbath as he attacked a funeral procession with hand grenades and a pistol.

Failing to censure Club-Captain Lorenzo Amoruso after he was convicted of spitting on Ayr United striker James Grady. The condemnation from within Ibrox was deafening in it’s silence, limited only to a pathetic moan by Gingerbaws who grumbled "We hoped that the player's version of events would be accepted. It's a major blow to lose Lorenzo at this stage of the season."

Rankers director and shareholder Dave King being arrested over further corruption and fraud charges in South Africa. King is being quizzed over allegations that he bribed a water utility manager to ensure contracts would be awarded to one of his investment firms. King, with a £20m shareholding at Rankers (second only to Murray) already faces 11 counts of fraud involving non-payment of almost £60m in taxes. The latest charges follow allegations by David McLean, who succeeded him as chief executive at another of his companies, Enterprise Risk Management (ERM). It is alleged that King enticed Greg Morris, the water firm manager, to join ERM with 400,000 share options in exchange for manipulating a contract. Morris, who later left the water company to work for King, has also been charged. King lives in luxury although he claims to to have no assets in South Africa. He is alleged to have declared income of only £3500 a year to tax authorities, although his personal wealth is estimated at around £200m. On this meagre income he is alleged to have bought a £7.8m jet, a Ferrari, two homes, a vinery, and share in a stud farm – although he didn’t get much use out of the jet. It, along with his passport, was seized by South African anti-fraud investigators.

Refusing to sack Bob Malcolm for signing a Rankers fan's match programme with the sectarian slogan 'F*ck The Pope'. Despite claiming to be intolerant of such bigoted and hate-filled attitudes, and citing puppet initiatives as evidence of this, Rankers refused to terminate his contract. Surely actions speak louder than words ?!

Being pilloried by Radio One for being the only club in Britain not to donate a club shirt to Children in Need. Only in the face of rage and criticism, were the huns forced into a humiliating climbdown on their selfish and uncharitable stance.

Accepting a £1million investment from convicted drug-dealing, sectarian, sociopath Lotto thug Michael Carroll, who has over 30 convictions for almost every kind of anti-social offence imaginable. Carroll recently threatened to ‘knife anyone who tried to sponge off him.’ Hope Mr Murray’s got a good bodyguard. Having said that, when you’re drowning in a sea of debt, the psycho’s pound is as good as any, eh ?!

Alex McLeish’s disgusting defence of Alex Rae’s brutal onfield assault on CSKA Moscow player Sergei Dadu during a UCL qualification tie. After Rae brutally and thuggishly kicked Dadu in the head – despite the player lying face down on the ground, McLeish sickeningly claimed “the ball was there to be won…..it just so happened that a Moscow player was lying beside it at the time." Funnily enough, UEFA – and the rest of the civilized world - never saw it that way, and slapped a 5 match European ban on hot-head Rae for Gross Sporting Misconduct. In a further feat of refusal to accept any form of responsibility for his player’s thuggery, McLeish appealed the ban. Not surprisingly, he was told where to go.

The disgraceful situation in which Michael Ball was barred from playing for the first team, because any further appearances would invoke a clause in his contract which would force impoverished Rankers to pay Everton a further fee of £500,000. In order to avoid paying this amount, Ball was uncerimoniously dumped into the reserves and his career forced to stagnate. For a lengthy period, he faced the ignominy of being forced to pay the money out of his own pocket, just so he could resume his career – and later admitted that he was forced to do exactly that. Rankers repeatedly stalled until Everton were forced into accepting a hush-deal, with Ball being the one who footed the bill.

Being pilloried by ex-director Hugh Adam for their ineptitude and mismanagement. Adams lifted the lid on the culture of bullying, fear, and toadying that pervades Ibrox. Despite being a director for decades, Adams was forced out because he refused to be bullied by David Murray, whom he accuses of driving the club towards receivership.

Operating a club shop that is despised by the fans for it’s embarassing, shambolic, and money-grabbing ethos. The Rankers Shop is viewed by the huns as an embarassing rip-off merchant that lacks even the most basic knowledge about the club, whilst punting the fans the most inferior of products, at the most astronomical margins. One ‘fan’ who called in on a Saturday afternoon for a score update was asked “ Who’s playing ?” whilst another, when he asked for Jorg Albertz video ‘The Slammer’ was met with the reply “ Who ?”. On another occaision a customer was asked how to spell ‘Stefan Klos’ when he went in to get his shirt printed – although maybe not a bad idea since the ’50 League Titles Special’ jersey was released with a ‘special limited edition’ print that misspelled the names of two of their er, legends. The shop has also been asked by ‘the peepil’ to stop selling products that erroneously describe the club’s name as ‘Glasgow Rangers’. Mibbees Murray sold the original name when no-one was watching ?!

Being criticised by FIFA, UEFA, and the Australian Soccer Association for their shameful and draconian treatment of Craig Moore. Guilty of nothing more than patriotism, Moore was stripped of his captaincy and immediately transfer-listed - all because he wanted to represent his country at the Olympic Games in Athens. Rankers only relented after being warned by the ASA, who threatened to ban Moore from playing club matches if they attempted to prevent him from travelling to Greece. Also withdrawn was the players right to a testimonial match which he had earned after showing over ELEVEN YEARS of loyal service and committment to Rankers. Rankers have a history of repeatedly withdrawing their players from international duty with convenient excuses, and temporary (and miraculously disappearing) injuries. At the same time, their fans and ex-players hypocritically criticise others who opt to play for the country of their birthright and democratic choice.
David Murray refusing to censure the Ibrox bigots after a full stadium of them were broadcast on live television openly and sectarianly abusing Martin O’Neill after he had the temerity to speak out on their repeated and continued despicable racial abuse of Neil Lennon. David Murray would later claim – in the face of blatant aural and visual evidence to the contrary – that Rankers fans were ‘decent, respectable people’.
Having to put typed song-sheets onto fans’ seats before a CL tie against ManUre because the loyal loyal billyboy true blue fans didn’t actually know the words to any of the club songs.
Getting embarassingly horsed out of Europe yet again - and again for the second time in the same season - after a woeful display against an ordinary Auxerre side. Despite being the group’s top seed, winning their opening two games, sitting atop the group on maximum points, and there being an incredible THREE qualification places up for grabs, Rankers finished in fourth place behind lowly teams like Dutch also-rans Alkmaar and Austrian unknowns Grazer. That is in addition to, and despite of, needing only a single point from their remaining two games, from one of the identified easiest groups of the round. Of the entire eight groups, Rankers were the only team who won two games, but still failed to progress. Even die-hard fans found it hard to stomach such an 'amatuer, shambolic, and woeful' performance, as hapless manager Alex McLeish was forced to concede. As Auxerre coach Guy Roux wryly commented, "I didn't expect it to be quite so easy tonight." It left Rankers European record under the clueless McLeish reading : Played 20, Won 6, Drawn 4, Lost 10. One of those wins came against the anonymous, and utterly unheard of Amica Wronki, whilst another only happened only after a 2nd leg last-gasp, extra-time, penalty shoot-out, against lowly Portuguese minnows Maritimo – who had already beaten Rankers in the 1st leg. Simply the best - hmm judge for yourself.
Being bent over and shafted – yet again – by Graeme Souness, who uses them as a cheap feeder club. Souness impinges on Rankers desperate financial situation to bleed them of their only assets, and abuses his one-sided friendship with David Murray to lure away players like Tugay, Amoruso, Ferguson, and Boumsong on the cheap.
Failing to take any action when one of their security staff was convicted of sexually harrassing two female collegues. James McVey, a senior recruitment manager at Ibrox stadium was investigated after numerous complaints regarding his sleazy conduct. Despite being found guilty during an internal investigation, McVey is allowed to keep his job, despite it giving him access to sensitive and personal information about his victims.
Having a fanbase so ‘loyal’, the club still can’t sell their full allocation of Season Books. Despite hawking them around for half their face value at Xmas, the club was still left with an abundance of them in mid-February. The tickets no-one wanted were being offered for £109.00 including the final game – v – Celtic, yet they still couldn’t shift them. Fickle gloryhunters – you better believe it.
Gingerbaws openly admitting in the media before the 'Cooper Cup Final' that he tried to offload Rankers resident psychotic timebomb, Fernando The Commando. After numerous drunken, criminal, and violent exploits that besmirched the club's already tarnished and infamous reputation for notoriety, McLeish decided enough was enough, and the man with the wild staring eyes would have to go. Rickhead received counselling and was ordered to curtail his drunken psychotic behaviour, as the club contemplated ways of offloading the weirdo. The problem was, Rankers never received a single offer for the drunk-driving, lampost-felling, nocturnal-trampolining, pyrotechnic, neighbour-from-hell, so they were up shit creek without a canoe - never mind a paddle. Reports of interest - even from his previous club AZ Alkmaar - were shown to be nothing more than a pathetic attempt by the Rankers-friendly media to shift on the problem, by trying to generate something even resembling an interest in this problematic and seemingly possessed, unsellable loser. Unable to get rid of psychoboy, Rankers promoted him to Club Captain. He repaid them by getting red-carded against Aberdeen.
Security Chief Lawrence Mackintyre assaulting a fan who ran onto the Ibrox pitch. After the 'Cooper' CIS Cup win at the national white elephant, TFOD returned to The Death Star to celebrate winning The Diddy Cup. An over-excited orc (they hadn't won a trophy for 2 years) ran onto the park and made a beeline for Celtic reject Nacho Novo for an autograph. Unfortunately for him, he was first arrested by the fluorescent-jacketed nazis, before being handed over to hired thug Mackintyre, who was witnessed by many thousands of huns 'kneeing the wee ned in the bollocks." Mackintyre's violence was reported to a number of police officers in attendance, but so far, the silence from official circles has been deafening. Wouldn’t be because he’s ex-plod himself now would it ?!
Failing to hold a one-minute silence the day after the death of Pope John Paul II, despite every other match being played in England on the same day doing so. Matches being played all over the world did likewise, and in Italy they were cancelled completely. EPL players of all creed and denomination wore black armbands as a mark of respect to one of the greatest pacifists and humanitarians of our generation, but the small-minded bigots in Scotland couldn't be trusted to do likewise. Around the globe, his death was mourned by billions of Catholics and Non-Catholics alike - except by the huns who denigrated his memory with their vile and putrid sectarian chanting. This hatred is in direct contrast to the tens of thousands of Catholics and non-monarchists, who observed silence tributes after the deaths of The Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, and Diana - Princess Of Wales. This is additionally despite an Anti-Catholic constitutional decree that forbids a Catholic from becoming the Monarch.
Being slated by the influential 'GroundsTour' website during a matchday visit to The Death Star. Awarding Ibrox a measley 37 out of a possible 100, Steve Johnson notably observed : "The atmosphere was tedious, with the fans only making any effort when prompted to, and lacking any real passion. More than anything else, the home supporters were completely devoid of a sense of humour. Every chant from the Kilmarnock fans was greeted with two fingered salutes and vitriol from the Rangers spectators, with some ejected from the Broomloan Stand by police. The most innocuous challenges against Rangers players were met with tirades of verbal abuse being hurled at the match officials and opposition players, all highly unnecessary given the one-sided nature of the game. With fans sat in the ground wearing Ulster scarves, holding their arms aloft singing 'Rule Britannia', it was an uncomfortable and unpleasant ninety minutes sat amongst the Rangers spectators whose antics were as predictable as they were bigoted. It was not hard to see why so few Kilmarnock fans had wanted to make the trip, with the Rangers fans' never tiring of telling the Kilmarnock followers what they thought of the visiting team. I doubt I will return.”
Barring a matchday Pepperami promotion because pathetic bigoted Rankers fans would have caused a riot, due to the product being packaged in a green wrapper. The promotion was scheduled for a Tuesday night game featuring Dundee Utd, but club bosses turned away 70 Unilever (Pepperami's parent company) representatives at the last moment citing 'security issues.' A Unilever spokesperson admitted "We were ready to commence the promotion, when we were told we would no longer be going in. One of the bosses said it was because the wrappers were green, and this would cause trouble." No one from Rankers was available for comment. It is not known if this is because the pathetic bigots got humped 1 – 0 by the SPL’s bottom club.
Gingerbaws being such a clued-up manager that he couldn't remember whom he had on the bench. After a narrow win over Hunfermline at Plasticland, McLeish struggled to remember which substitutes he had at his disposal during a post-match radio interview on BBC SportSound. Probably the ultimate embarassment was having to be reminded by their resident trackside clueless nugget, Chick Young. Heh-Heh-Hehhhhhhh !!!
Being slated by a Sheriff for failing to ban a bigoted sectarian Season Ticket holder who was convicted of hurling despicable anti-Catholic sectarian abuse at Ibrox. Sheriff James Taylor reacted angrily after hearing the Ibrox club had failed to act after Kenneth Rodgers was arrested and convicted of a religiously aggravated Breach Of The Peace in January 2005. Sheriff Taylor said: "I find it surprising and disappointing that Rangers Football Club, being so public recently in decrying sectarianism, should find it sufficient only, to administer a warning." Rodgers of Renfrew, had been given a token warning by club officials after his hate-filled conduct earned him a £400 fine at Glasgow Sheriff Court. Once again, Rankers Football Club - long since the refuge of the bigot - abley demonstrate that their bogus initiatives are nothing more than a smoke and mirrors charade to appease their critics, whilst in reality, they continue to embrace a culture of bigotry and anti-Catholic sectarianism.
Being so bitter an bigoted that they ordered the Executive Chef to remove the dish 'Eggs Benedict' from the Ibrox hospitality menu for fear of offending anti-Catholic fat cats, with the name of the new Pope. On the back of the Peperami and 'green straws' fiascos, this little episode merely goes to show how bitter and twisted the mentality of these people really is. Despite the puppet initiatives, bigotry is well and truly alive and flourishing at The Death Star.
Being slated by Shota Arveladze for being 'inambitious ..... lacking commitment' and repeatedly 'failing in Europe.' No sooner had Arveladze given his honest opinion on the failings at Mordor, than his imminent departure was announced. Funny that.
Being slated by Donald Gorrie MSP for launching a range of orange clothing, despite The Grand Imperial Knight Wizard claiming to have launched a new era of anti-sectarianism. After being outed as a club steeped in sectarianism by BBC Panorama, Murray claimed to be launching a crackdown on bigotry and the 'FTP brigade.' The hollowness of his sham lip service ‘initiative’ was amply demonstrated by the cynical release of yet another orange-related product by the debt-ridden Ibrox money-grabbers. As Lib Dem MSP Donald Gorrie pointed out, "These garments contradict the points made by Mr Murray. This includes not selling merchandise that is perceived to be related to the Orange Order."
Agreeing to participate in a pro-Loyalist love-in with sectarian Linfield FC on July 16th – just a few days after the biggest date in the anti-Catholic Orange Order calendar. Yet more blatant evidence of Rankers inextricable links with the sectarian bigots of the Orange Order, and another example of The Grand Imperial Wizard’s continual pandering to the clubs lowest common denominator.
Dragan Mladenovic criticising the lack of cameraderie and team spirit within the Legoland dressing room, saying he much preferred it at his new club Real Sociedad, where “the spirit is far better to Ibrox, and the friendship between the players is much closer.”
Alex McLeish, in true Rankers tradition, making a poor taste joke about the ailing health of Pope John Paul II just a few weeks after the pontiff passed away.
Disgraced Ex-Vice Chairman, and repeated sectarian bigot Donald Findlay being forced to resign in disgrace as Chairman of the Faculty of Advocates, after yet another sectarian outburst. This time, the shamed bigot was witnessed telling a series of sectarian 'jokes' at an event in a Loyalist stronghold in Ireland which included derogatory references about Catholics, nuns, and the late Pope John Paul II. Amongst other remarks, Findlay asked an audience of around 140 people: "It's very smoky in here tonight – has another f*cking Pope died ?" Findlay later attempted to defend his remarks by claiming "I am not denying telling jokes. I do after dinner speeches and my act consists of swearing and dirty jokes. People do not have to listen to it. There's been a lot of bad language used here tonight." Also at the same event in the Larne Rangers Social Club was disgraced former Death Star goalkeeper and Loyalist-terrorist sympathiser Andy Goram, who also - but not wholly unpredictably - delivered a routine littered with sectarian obscenities, unashamed bigotry, and 'jokes' about Catholics.
Being slated by Panathanaikos for "trying to move the goalposts" amidst the Kyrgiakos farce, whereupon Rankers tried to use disinformation to pressurise the Greeks into releasing the diving dud from his legally binding contract. Describing Rankers version of events as "science fiction" Pana's spokesman Theologos Alexandratos slated them for trying to "change the terms of the agreement and pay less than was appropriate." He then demanded the return of Kyrgiakos’s registration papers immediately. Rankers’ penny-pinching eventually lost them Kyrgiakos, but the predictable Legoland spin machine blamed Panathanaikos, Kyrgiakos, his lawyer, his agent, his Greek representatives, the Glasgow Fair, Santa Claus………………….
Drawing an absolutely embarassing crowd of only 18,159 (combined) for the much vaunted contest against Dynamo Zagreb in the Toronto SkyDome. Despite the Rogers Centre only having a capacity of some 50,516, the huns could only manage to sell around 9000 tickets. This paltry amount puts to bed the outlandish claims by some dreamers, that Rankers FC is a global brand. Whilst Celtic were able to sell out the SkyDome almost instantly for their friendly against Roma in 2004, Rankers own official research (conducted and authenticated by former director Hugh Adam) showed that suggestions of them having a 'global fanbase' were an absolute fallacy. As for the game, Rankers were predictably gubbed (by a Zagreb team that finished 7th in their league and had to slug it out in a relegation play-off), and the much-hated Dado Prso picked up a 'mystery injury' prior to kick-off, thus rendering him 'unable' to face those former compatriots who despise him.
Struggling desperately to offload hopeless, unsellable duffers like Maurice Ross, Michael Ball, Peter Lovenkrands, and Zurab Khizanishvilli, despite telling the fans for years that they were all quality players who could grace any team in any league. The deluge of offers from interested clubs has been deafening in it’s silence. The man with the mad staring eyes, Fernando Ricksen, had earlier proved to be so unsellable, that Rankers had no option but to keep him long term. He ended up as Club Captain.
Gingerbaws spending a full week moaning and excuse-making about how a referee had cost the huns the game at Pittodrie (after Fernando The Commando got his marching orders in a 3-2 defeat) only to suddenly clam up when a referee gifted them the game the following week at The Death Star (when Stuart Dougal red carded Alan Thompson, much to everyone’s astonishment in a 3-1 win). Forgetting his tirades of the previous week, Gingerbaws had suddenly discovered a previously unknown reticince, as he stated “I don’t want to talk about referees.” Huns – fickle – never !!
Branding Aberdeen fans as 'scum' in the official Rankers matchday programme, whilst The Death Star is populated by some of the vilest, bigoted, sectarian pondlife on the planet.
Being slaughtered by Famagusta manager Temuri Ketsbaia who labelled them ‘the biggest cheats in football.’ In a scathing attack on Scotland’s establishment team, Ketsbaia fearlessly stated what many people have known for years – namely that the huns routinely benefit from suspicious and bizarre refereeing decisions. During a pre-match press conference, Ketsbaia stated, "If you're asking me about cheating I would say what about the sending-off of the Celtic player on Saturday ? I didn't know such things happened in Scottish football - but we have seen this with our own eyes in the last week. I don't want to say the referee tried to help Rangers but his decision helped Rangers get the result they wanted. After that it was easy for them to get the win. After 23 minutes the match was finished. Then you look back to our game against them in Cyprus. Look at the fouls they made against us that night. They should have had two players sent off. We put out Trabzonspor in the last round and they have a better team than Rangers. The difference was luck and Rangers had all the luck in Cyprus. What disappoints me is the excuses Rangers made after that game.”
Gingerbaws screaming ‘bastard’ at Diddy PoorShow after the gangly cart-horse missed yet another glaring sitter against Famagusta. Gingerbaws could be clearly seen on TV by hundreds of viewers mouthing the obscenity at one of his own signings.
Having Bert Konterman tell a few home truths about their recent performances, when he admitted that ‘Celtic were the better team until the referee harshly sent Alan Thompson off’ and that ‘at 40 Temuri Ketsbaia caused Rankers no end of problems and was easily MOTM.’
Playing war-mongering triumphalist imperial anthems like The Dambusters etc whilst having German players in the team.
Gingerbaws – despite being the Scottish meeja’s darling – refusing to hold a press conference after his duffers could only manage to claw a 1-1 draw against lowly Falkirk (courtesy of an obligatory penalty). Despite his haughty claims of ‘132 years of unsurpassed dignity’, and the fact that he’s never found wanting when the huns produce a win – Gingerbaws stormed off in a strop, 14 seconds after reading out a prepared statement. ‘132 years of being embarrassing duffers with a shitebag of a manager’ would be a bit more apt.
Only managing to scrape a win over Porto by literally battering them off the park. Porto players Diego, Jorginho, Pepe and Victor Baia all slated the huns brutal style of murderball, whereupon they kicked, head-butted, and elbowed anything within a six-foot radius of the ball. Porto had to play the final 15 minutes of the game with only 10 men after Sokoto had his knee kicked in. Earlier PoorShow was incredibly lucky not to have been straight red-carded after he head-butted skipper Pedro Emmanuel full in the face after completely missing the ball. Emmanuel had to leave the field immediately, suffering from a broken nose, and later slated the brutal assault as ‘something you’d expect to see on the street, not on a football pitch.’ As Gingerbaws himself admitted “We don’t care how we win – as long as we win.” Sexy football, the ugly brutal hun thug way.
Confirming that bigotry is rife all the way to the highest echelons of the club as Rankers played a ‘behind closed doors’ match –v- Internazionale in the San Siro. In a stadium where you could here a pin drop, the Rankers Executive party comprised 300 members of the Ibrox privilaged insider cabal. Their choice of songs picked up on the media’s plethora of recording microphones : The Sash, Derry’s Walls, and No Pope Of Rome. Is it any wonder why the knuckle-draggers behave as they do, when this is the example set by those at the top ?!
Gingerbaws trying to claim that the vicious hun hoardes were'nt booing him and his hopeless duffers after the Artmedia game. Despite only managing to scrape a goal-less 0 - 0 draw - their fifth in a row - against a team that arrogant huns had previously described as 'an unheard of no-mark pub team', the ginger joker tried to dismiss what viewing thousands had just witnessed on live TV, by claiming that the venomous hoardes were booing the Artmedia players. One wonders if duffers, Namouchi, Thompson, and Nieto - all the target of abuse during the game - harbour the same blind ostrich perspective ?
Being voted The Dirtiest Team in the 2005/06 Champions league campaign, with Dado Prso also being voted The Dirtiest Player. The huns notched up an incredible 75 fouls (fourteen more than their closest rival) and persistant diver Prso an incredible 15 (five more than his closest rival).
Gingerbaws trying to co-erce the referee to yellow-card an Artmedia player, by making a ‘booking’ gesture at him from trackside. Dignity indeed, and seems like an awful lot of effort for a wee no-mark from an unheard of pub team, as the huns were describing them !!
On the weekend where the huns went a humiliating TWELVE points behind League leaders Celtic, after a dreary goaless draw at home to Aberdeen, Gingerbaws being so much of a shitebag, that he sent out to do the post match interview ………. CHRIS BURKE !! Talk about sending a boy to do a man’s job - this is the kid who can’t even stay standing upright on a sunny day FFS. This is on the back of The Ginger Fool’s ground-breaking 14-second interview a few weeks previously.
Being such an unmittigated disaster zone, that even former idols are queing up to knock them back. This time it's Super-Sally McCoist, who despite not having a full time job, and only being marginally involved with the media, rejected them outright, citing 'other committments' as his reason for not accepting a coaching role at The Death Star. The words 'ten-foot bargepole' spring to mind.
Being officially declared ‘The Worst Team In Rankers 132 Year History’ in Dec 2005, after they recorded a hopeless ten games in a row without a single win.
Being branded 'a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace' by Ian Archer, who asserted that ‘Scottish football would be better off’ without them.

Being called ‘savages’ by UEFA President Gustav Wiedekehr.

Being slated as ‘bigoted and abusive’ by MSP Donald Gorrie.

Being called ‘pig-ignorant, uneducated bigots’ and from ‘the lower echelons of society’ by Graham Speirs.

Being compared to ‘like watching paint drying’ by Archie McPherson.

Being slated as ‘the biggest cheats in football’ by Famagusta Manager Temuri Ketsbaia.

Being branded ‘shameful’, ‘filth’ and ‘a disgrace’ by Sir Bobby Robson.

Being branded 'the stupidest team in Europe' by Christopher L'Archer of the esteemed ‘France Football’ magazine.

Now THATS DIGNITY!

EtherealMist

January 16th, 2006, 04:32 AM

wow what a thread... anyway how do you think keane will fair in scotland?

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 04:39 AM

wow what a thread... anyway how do you think keane will fair in scotland?
He will bring the house down at Ibrox.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 05:17 AM

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 05:36 AM

wow what a thread... anyway how do you think keane will fair in scotland?

I'm a Celtic fan and was against his signing as to be honest he is past his best and Glasgow Celtic is not a retiral home, in saying that he has certainly raised the profile of the club and when he gets fully fit will definitely be able to cope with the dross in the SPL especially the mid-table teams like Inverness CT and Rangers.

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 05:38 AM

WOW....talk about an inferiority complex. This moron is absolutely obsessed by Rangers. He hates us more than he likes celtic. Massive threads about Rangers and pictures of the pope - classic stuff from your typical underclass inner-city Glasgow scumbag. People - this guy is a classic example of the braindead old-firm fan. Please don't judge Rangers/celtic fans on this one idiot. It's obviously IT day at the community centre. He will soon go when he needs his fix. Until then, just ignore him as he will try to ruin every thread with crap about Rangers and celtic.

You have no right to pontificate (gettit) when the very first post on this thread was moronic in the extreme, a balanced debate is one thing but you clearly had an agenda with the light you were looking to show both clubs in.

There are plenty of sensible OF fans, you seem to be pretty sensible ('underclass' and 'scum' comments where they ain't warranted aside) but not at all balanced.

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 10:54 AM

WOW....talk about an inferiority complex. This moron is absolutely obsessed by Rangers. He hates us more than he likes celtic. Massive threads about Rangers and pictures of the pope - classic stuff from your typical underclass inner-city Glasgow scumbag. People - this guy is a classic example of the braindead old-firm fan. Please don't judge Rangers/celtic fans on this one idiot. It's obviously IT day at the community centre. He will soon go when he needs his fix. Until then, just ignore him as he will try to ruin every thread with crap about Rangers and celtic.
The bubombic plague you spew on here has gone unchallenged for too long.
You have been shown in your true tiny minded light, now crawl away to the stone from whence you came.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 11:04 AM

Ghod7

January 16th, 2006, 11:20 AM

Celtics 5 star stadium is one of the best in Europe and by far the best in Scotland.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4431/dsc002044cv.th.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002044cv.jpg)
Celtic Park in all its night time glory.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 11:22 AM

Ghod7

January 16th, 2006, 11:27 AM

ssshhhh, you'l make bubomb cry :)
I could really hurt him by reminding him we beat teh orcs two nil that night.
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easysurfer

January 16th, 2006, 12:54 PM

double post

easysurfer

January 16th, 2006, 12:56 PM

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 05:03 PM

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 05:14 PM

This thread was started just to flare up trouble. Bubomb is a know antagonist whose bigoted opinions of many issues pisses everyone off. Both stadiums are fantastic in their own right and each deserve their uefa star rating. There is no need to show pictures of the surrounding area at parkhead. Showing a minority of celtic fans in the after-match celebrations being drunk and one fan being arrested is a disgrace. Where are the photos of rangers fans being arrested it you wanted to include football disturbances in your post? As the title says it's about celtic and rangers stadiums.

Are you thick or something mate? Parkhead ain't go any stars. The morons who invaded the site are talking shite. I started this thread and most people enjoyed comparing the stadiums. But now, word had got out on a celtic forum and these morons are attacking the site. Where is the admin? as we have got morons with terrorists as their avatars and this is illegal in the UK.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4and5stars.html

Celtic fans do this all the time and unless admin do something then they will ruin the sports section of Skyscrapercity!!

XCRunner

January 16th, 2006, 05:17 PM

^^This thread was ruined from the start, Bubomb. It takes two people to have an argument, and you're spreading as much slander as they are. You complain about them hijacking this thread, yet you are the one who has hijacked countless threads on this forum in the past.

footballaintforbirds

January 16th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Admin, please do something about this. Celtic morons are ruining every thread. On one of their football forums they decided to attack this site. We now have idiots on it with terrorists as their avatars (Ghod7).
Get a grip you bigotted clown.
People with a brain know your game and have you sussed.
Go away or come back with something sensible that can't easilly be ripped to shreds.

bubomb

January 16th, 2006, 05:38 PM

Rubbish. I posted pictures of stadiums (99% of my pics are stadiums) and most people enjoyed this thread up until now. We now have celtic morons posting absolute garbage, page long garbage that nobody is going to read. They are also doing it on every single thread. We also now have posters with terrorists as their avatars -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=44697

I have never done anything like that. I believe it is illegal to have terrorists as your avatar on a site like this. I have always given an honest opinion. Apart from stupid arguments with JimB, who I believe is mentally ill, I have always tried to stay on topic. A lot of posters congratulated me on this thread for great pictures (being a Rangers fan, I was naturally going to be a bit biased towards Rangers), but as I said, a celtic site has decided to hijack the sports section, and unless admin do something, it won't just be this thread that will be totally ruined.

I have contacted the admin as I don't think any of us want to see the promotion of paramilitaries on this site. At the end of the day, it is a stadium site and any terrorist related material should not be tolerated. From now on, I'm going to totally ignore the celtic idiots who have hijacked the site as this is the best method to get rid of these parasites.

cianobuckley

January 16th, 2006, 05:46 PM

Bubomb seems to be the kind of guy who doesnt know when to stop or when he has lost an argument (quite obviously!) . i agree with you that this thread has been ruined from the start and after reading through it i can see that Bubombs the main cause. parkhead may be scruffy on the outside but on the inside it is one of the best soccer grounds in the world and in my view better than ibrox also.when has the outside of a football ground ever mattered when it comes to atmosphere and a teams performance? the inside of a ground is what counts, all true football fans know that. i guess your not a true football fan bubomb.......

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 06:04 PM

do yourself a favour bubomb and shut the fuck up.

you are embarrasing yourself.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 16th, 2006, 06:11 PM

ah, i never tire of this :

Home Away
Team P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS
1 Celtic 22 9 1 1 27 9 8 2 1 30 13 35 54
2 Hearts 22 9 1 1 24 5 5 4 2 21 12 28 47
3 Hibernian 22 6 1 4 20 14 6 1 4 17 15 8 38
4 Rangers 22 7 3 1 23 8 3 4 4 14 17 12 37
5 Kilmarnock 22 5 3 3 25 19 4 3 4 16 18 4 33
6 Inverness CT 22 3 4 4 13 13 4 6 1 13 8 5 31
7 Motherwell 22 4 3 4 22 19 4 2 5 14 20 -3 29
8 Aberdeen 22 3 5 3 13 11 3 4 4 11 15 -2 27
9 Dundee Utd 22 4 5 2 12 12 2 1 8 12 23 -11 24
10 Falkirk 22 0 3 8 8 21 4 2 5 14 23 -22 17
11 Dunfermline 22 1 1 9 7 23 2 3 6 10 18 -24 13
12 Livingston 22 1 4 6 8 22 1 2 8 4 20 -30 12

Magic_Zurawski

January 16th, 2006, 07:21 PM

BuBomb why are you tossing your toys out of the pram ?

You posted pictures that showed Celtic Park in an extremely misleading light, what did you expect the response to be ?

You also seem to lack intelligence to differentiate between people, yes that guy posted alot of crap about Rangers and I don't know why but all the other people all they have did is post pictures of Celtic Park in a more accurate light and you can't take it.

Dry your eyes hun.

easysurfer

January 16th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Okay, parkhead hasn't got any uefa stars, I presumed it did because it looks like such a great stadium. Exuse my mistake. I'm not a big supporter of either Rangers or Celtic but i prefer to see Celtic do well and follow their progress. You are not only an embarassment to fair-minded Rangers fans bubomb but also to every British football supporter. No wonder the kind of image foreigners have of us is a group of yobbish lager louts who think Britain is best at everything and hit out if things don't go our way. When in fact most British supporters are decent people but don't get noticed as much as we act civilly.

Noostairz

January 16th, 2006, 11:38 PM

http://rangersmedia.teardrop.ca/images/group1/uj.jpg

that's absolute class.

bubomb

January 17th, 2006, 12:22 AM

that's absolute class.

Cheers mate. Here's a better pic -

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/Blu_Majik/gersvinterdisplay.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7161/photo00470lg.jpg

http://rangersmedia.teardrop.ca/images/group1/uj.jpg

Ghod7

January 17th, 2006, 10:18 AM

Ghod7

January 17th, 2006, 10:27 AM

bubomb

January 18th, 2006, 01:36 AM

edennewstairs - I've got some more pics. Out of curiosity, what team do you support?

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/8466/kdu5w03xq.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1058/kduydd1nj.jpg

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/9579/keclyq8rt.jpg

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1756/kdtw8l9sn.jpg

BobDaBuilder

January 18th, 2006, 02:11 AM

Nice soccer stadium. Shame about the over the top patriotism however.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson

Noostairz

January 18th, 2006, 11:02 AM

edennewstairs - I've got some more pics. Out of curiosity, what team do you support?

impressive pics. i'll be looking out for the display they put on when villarreal visit.

as for who i support... :D

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2521/liverpoolfans4xn.jpg

footballaintforbirds

January 18th, 2006, 02:54 PM

bubomb

January 18th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Magic_Zurawski

January 19th, 2006, 12:39 AM

Bubomb that rant about Rangers fans being more wealthy is utterly disgusting, you are nothing short of a bigoted piece of turd. I'm sure Rod Stewart and Billy Connolly are jealous of you're big house in Bearsden from their 'council estates' :hahaha:

Idiot.

Keep to the subject eh, you might not look as stupid that way

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 12:59 AM

http://x11.putfile.com/1/1707213989.jpg

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 01:12 AM

impressive pics. i'll be looking out for the display they put on when villarreal visit.

as for who i support... :D

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2521/liverpoolfans4xn.jpg

We are still deciding on what display to do. I have suggested a massive 'Giro cheque' to wind up the beggars from the east end. In their east end slophouses they would be choking over their guinness when they saw it!!!

I also think a Giant Potato would be good!!

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3047/untit1151led2hi.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 19th, 2006, 01:45 AM

We are still deciding on what display to do. I have suggested a massive 'Giro cheque' to wind up the beggars from the east end. In their east end slophouses they would be choking over their guinness when they saw it!!!

I also think a Giant Potato would be good!!

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3047/untit1151led2hi.jpg

might i suggest a large 4, in honour of your league position?

CraigyBhoy1888

January 19th, 2006, 02:13 AM

and also bubigot, why when shown a link from UEFA's *OWN* website, stating that we have a 5-star stadium, do you insist on posting a link to a non-UEFA site as some sort of rebuttal?

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 02:45 AM

I was at this game and it was a great sight. Unfortunately you can only see 3 out of the 4 stands in the photo. Our main stand also had the same display that night. I have included some pics of the stand so everybody can get an idea of how it would of looked -

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/9579/keclyq8rt.jpg

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/5334/rangers19qu.jpg

http://img192.echo.cx/img192/9600/ibroxc014yz.jpg

http://img117.echo.cx/img117/7360/ibroxc028rg.jpg

kingdomca

January 19th, 2006, 03:10 AM

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 03:38 AM

Is anthing being done to expand Ibrox? I have seen plans for another tier to take it to 58,000 but also smaller expansions.

whats the future for sottish football? would scotland welcome it if the 6 most northern english clubs joined scotland

Its far-fetched of course, but more realistic than the old firm getting into the english league, and the increasing southern domination of english football could well make the switch a possibility in the future for Newcastle, sunderland, Boro, Darlington, Carlisle, Hartlepool.

The pitch is going to be lowered and moved nearer the main stand which will allow more rows of seats on all 4 stands. The executive boxes at the back of the govan stand (two tier, runs along pitch) are going to be removed, seats put in and the area behind turned into a massive bar with lots of lounges. Capacity will be 53500 - 54000. This is currently being looked at and the building work should be announced soon. The two tiered stands can have an extra tier put on them, but it would probably be cheaper to knock them down and rebuild them. This is not going to happen for some time, if at all! Rangers are also looking at stadium sponsorship.

I would love north English teams to join our league, but they would never do this due to history and TV money. Newcastle get something like 20 million a year from Sky. Rangers get 1 million a year from TV money!! Also they are English clubs and so would always want to play in a English league.

kingdomca

January 19th, 2006, 04:31 AM

yes Newcastle´sky money would be the difficult one. They are the only club with realistic long-term prospects of being a premiership club.
But an expanded scottish league should look to become a 3 CL team league and that would surely make it easier for Newcastle to get into the CL there than in England, where things like Arsenal opening their new ground with expected massive gate increases must worry Newcastle in the long term.

And the value of the scottish tv deal would surely go way up with such a league as I would imagine attendances would at the 2nd level scottish clubs like Heart, Hibs, Aberdeen.
It may be something for Newcastle to consider if they play another decade as a mid-table team.

I just think its sad to see well-supported clubs like Sunderland and Boro struggle ever more in the premiership. Their fans are being priced out and the clubs just cant compete. It would seem better with local derbies, battles for europe etc in a scottish league.
Carlisle has a lot of potential as the only club in a large, if sparsely populated area and Darlington, who are also lost in the lower levels of the english league, have a 27,000 capacity asset and would surely jump at the chance of getting to use it.

I think this could make sense, though I wouldnt have a clue how much it matters that it would be english clubs in a scottish league.

Iain1974

January 19th, 2006, 05:09 AM

XCRunner

January 19th, 2006, 05:45 AM

^^That's for sure. Plus why would any of the English teams want to let in the Old Firm? It won't really help them out financially. None of the teams would be for it b/c all it does for the top teams is reduce their chances of playing in Europe, and for teams in The Championship, reduce their cnaces of promotion. I can't see any EPL or Football League teams wanting the Old Firm in the English system.

ultras67

January 19th, 2006, 05:57 PM

You know this was quite an interesting thread until craigybhoy and footballaintforbirds got involved and started their bigoted bile.

One of the reasons why I no longer live in Scotland :(

Of the two stadiums Ibrox may have a smaller capacity but the quality of the building is far higher and the seating arrangements far less dangerous.

In the top tiers at Parkhead the aisle is level with the TOP of the seat backs and you step down into the row whereas Ibrox and other stadiums the aisle is at the bottom of the seats and you step along the row. All it would take is someone to trip and there is nothing to grab onto before tumbling a large distance down the steps. Not a very safe situation.

A little know fact is Archibald Leitch designed the original ( pictured about 5 pages back ) Parkhead main stand as well as Rangers and many others main stands. His design was replaced in 1978? with the current stand.

On the subject of uefa ratings this is the latest list I have found

5 Star
Camp Nou, Barcelona
San Siro, Milan
Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam
Stadio Olimpico, Rome
Old Trafford, Manchester
Olympiastadion, Munich
Ibrox Park, Glasgow
de Kuip, Rotterdam
Ernst Happel Stadion, Vienna
Stade de France, Paris
Delle Alpi, Turin
Luzhniki, Moscow
Hampden Park, Glasgow
Arena auf Schalke, Gelsenkirchen
Estadio Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Lisbon
Estadio do Dragao, Porto
Estadio Jose de Alvalade, Lisbon
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Stadio Olimpico, Sevilla
Ataturk Olympia Stadi, Istanbul
AOL Arena, Hamburg
Estadio Vicente Calderon, Madrid
Estadi Olimpic de Montjuic, Barcelona
Olympiastadion, Berlin

4-Star Stadiums
Estadio Anoeta, San Sebastian
Anfield Road, Liverpool
Parken, Copenhagen
Gottlieb Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart
Rasunda Stadion, Stockholm
Koning Boudewijn Stadion, Brussels
Stadio San Nicola, Bari
Spyros Louis, Athens
Villa Park, Birmingham
Philips Stadion, Eindhoven
Parc des Princes, Paris
Nya Ullevi Stadion, Goteborg

footballaintforbirds

January 19th, 2006, 06:01 PM

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Yeah, there is no chance of English clubs playing in Scotland or Scottish clubs playing in England. Despite what you may read in the papers, the vast majority of Rangers fans are proud to be Scottish and wouldn't want to play in England, although David Murray (Rangers chairman) might not feel this way.

If Rangers and celtic got in the Premiership, then with the amount of money they would get, they would soon be competing for Champions League spots. No English club would want this as it means 2 less places for English clubs and 2 English clubs getting relegated. I reckon 99% of English club chairmen would vote against it.

I would like to see the CIS cup and the Carling cup merged into a British cup. I think this is a realistic aim and I don't think many clubs or fans would object to it. It would also bring in more money for whoever sponsors the cup.

bubomb

January 19th, 2006, 08:03 PM

Magic_Zurawski

January 19th, 2006, 09:39 PM

Magic_Zurawski

January 19th, 2006, 09:42 PM

Mate, the best bet is to ignore them. I lived in Glasgow all my life and the decent hard-working people in the city just ignore them. You see them stealing, drinking, begging and generally annoying people all the time. They are a real nuisance, but to be honest, they are more to be pitied than anything else.

Both Rangers and celtic have lots of decent fans in their support, but they also have scum in their support, and unfortunately some of the celtic ones have found this board. :( :( :(

Bubigot you claim to be a 'decent hard-working' person while at the same time advocating slagging a potato famine which killed one million people ? You're hatred is shining through. I keep my abuse to the football, and about the giro cheque thing go ahead because I have never seen one in my life, considerin the fact you are portraying us as the 'poorer' set of supporters ain't it ironic that every fortnight we sell out a much larger stadium or are you too thick to comprehend that

Magic_Zurawski

January 19th, 2006, 09:45 PM

the vast majority of Rangers fans are proud to be Scottish

Then why is do the "Coatbridge Loyal" have an England flag as their banner thing :D Idiots one and all

jmancuso

January 19th, 2006, 10:16 PM

ok...i think we had enough fun for one thread. no?

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:13 AM

The Ground Holds Roughly 60,500 spectators

these pictures were taken on 12 december 2005, before a 3-2 home win against hibernian, from my seat in the stadium, in the lisbon lions stand :

http://tinypic.com/mbn33d.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn6ys.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn7ld.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn994.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn9k0.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn9qs.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbn9y9.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbna69.jpg

the next set of pictures, are taken from the celtic park tour, which i took on the 10th january 2006 :

http://tinypic.com/mbnvih.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbnw4n.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbnwgl.jpg

http://tinypic.com/mbnwoy.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:14 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbnybd.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:15 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbnyhf.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:16 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbnyxe.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:18 AM

these next few pictures are taken from the skybox, which is hoisted from the main stand :

http://tinypic.com/mbnzh2.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:18 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo01d.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:20 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo1ky.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:20 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo237.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:22 AM

the last section of photographs are from last saturday, where a card display was set up for celtics new signing, roy keane.

these are from the lisbon lions stand :

http://tinypic.com/mbo2eo.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:22 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo305.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:23 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo4k1.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:24 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo4nb.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:25 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo4z6.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:25 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo58p.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:26 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo5mr.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:27 AM

http://tinypic.com/mbo5ud.jpg

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:28 AM

well, thats my lot.

hope you enjoyed the pictures.

CraigyBhoy1888

January 22nd, 2006, 06:32 AM

ill post some more after our next home game, against dundee united, this saturday

bubomb

January 29th, 2006, 08:23 AM

This is my favourite away stadium in Scotland, as the atmosphere is amazing due to the steep stands and very close pitch. This summer 'Heart of Midlothian' (Hearts) will tear down their old main stand. Then it will be rebuilt for a 25-26000 capacity. Hearts will play their European games at Murrayfield next season as it is very close by, as shown in one of the photos -

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/2249_HEARTS.jpg

http://media.rivals.net/media/jpg/2000112704461056.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/tynecastle2.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/tynecastle_stadium/110.jpg

http://www.rainbowhearts.co.uk/Images/Tynecastle.jpg

http://www.darkdreamstealer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/tynieanim.gif

http://www.intosport.co.uk/acatalog/Hearts_01_regular_small.jpg

http://www.playtheball.com/rlwc00/venues/images/tynecastle.jpg

Lostboy

January 29th, 2006, 01:21 PM

Another four thousand then it could be avaliable for any future European Championship Bid! Perhaps if they don't have any trouble filling the expanded one they could put in Corners.

Iain1974

January 29th, 2006, 06:20 PM

You've really got to go there to experience just how steep the stands are. Great stadium and a lot 'better' in my opinion that most of the flat-pack grouds in the 20-30K range that seem to spring up every season.

Should Scotland bid for 2012 or 2016 then I could see the corners being filled to push 30-32K.

The Hunted

January 30th, 2006, 03:01 AM

Has anyone got any renderings of the new stand?

kingdomca

January 30th, 2006, 04:36 AM

great stadium but is the development certain to go ahead?

Scotland are probably just 2 or 3 cities short of being a likely candidate for a EURO tournament.

UEFA do like to leave a legacy and even if both Edinburgh and Glasgow will have 2 stadiums ( 2 is max per city, I think) Scotland still need to have at least 4 locations, and not right next to glasgow-edinburgh, where 20-30,000 capacities would benefit football and that will be difficult.

Dundee and Aberdeen yes, but beyond that they would probably have to include Inverness and that place probably doesnt have good enough access, hotel rooms etc. If Carlisle could revive their plans to join the scottish league then perhaps a venue there. It would spread out the tournament, but I cant see UEFA really be impressed.

Its not beneficial to already have the places in the eyes of UEFA.
they didnt give it to the swiss/Austria because they had better venues than scotland but probably because they showed plans to build lots of good venues in quite large cities without good facilities or much football interest.
In other word lots of possible long term effects.

In Scotland, some venues are already there and there arent many places outside the 2 big cities where new facilities would do much good long term.

eddyk

February 1st, 2006, 03:42 AM

Reminds me of the JJB Stadium.

cianobuckley

February 3rd, 2006, 01:39 PM

i had no idea that tynecastle and murrayfield were so close.will the new stand be identicle to the other three?

bubomb

February 3rd, 2006, 06:16 PM

No. It will be a bigger 2 tier stand.

bubomb

February 3rd, 2006, 07:32 PM

i had no idea that tynecastle and murrayfield were so close.will the new stand be identicle to the other three?

Not as close as Dundee and Dundee United though -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5736/dundee4in.jpg

kingdomca

February 3rd, 2006, 07:46 PM

bubomb

February 3rd, 2006, 07:52 PM

yes the 2 closest grounds in Britain, I think, if it isnt Forest and Notts County.

I dont think this Tynecastle expansion is certain to go ahead. It looks very cramped and though it could be a fantastic 27,000 stadium it rules out any further expansion.
My guess is they will move.

The stand will be knocked down in the summer, this is confirmed. Then Hearts will ask for planning permission, if they get it then the stand gets built. If they don't, then they will have to move. It is very cramped, but Hearts own the land behind the main stand so there is just enough room for a new stand.

Its AlL gUUd

February 4th, 2006, 03:58 PM

UEFA do like to leave a legacy and even if both Edinburgh and Glasgow will have 2 stadiums ( 2 is max per city, I think)

actually only 1 city can have two stadiums

Iain1974

February 4th, 2006, 04:13 PM

actually only 1 city can have two stadiums

Well that's Glasgow then, no doubt about it.

Quintana

February 4th, 2006, 05:29 PM

actually only 1 city can have two stadiums

What about Euro 2004 with Da Luz and Alvalade in Lisbon and Dragao and Do Bessa in Porto?

bubomb

February 4th, 2006, 05:33 PM

What about Euro 2004 with Da Luz and Alvalade in Lisbon and Dragao and Do Bessa in Porto?

Yeah - good point - Well, what do you have to say about that?

Its AlL gUUd

February 5th, 2006, 03:26 AM

Yeah - good point - Well, what do you have to say about that?

Portugal already had 8 cities with venues, the boavista staium in Porto was extra, if scotland is to have edinburgh and Glasgow with 2 stadiums, what are the other 6 cities with suitable venues in scotland, and with a joint bid it is a definate no no to have 2 stadia in 2 cities in the same country

kingdomca

February 5th, 2006, 04:43 AM

Portugal already had 8 cities with venues, the boavista staium in Porto was extra, if scotland is to have edinburgh and Glasgow with 2 stadiums, what are the other 6 cities with suitable venues in scotland, and with a joint bid it is a definate no no to have 2 stadia in 2 cities in the same country

I think youre right. Portugal could only do it because it was extra stadiums.

Having said that, I dont know if this is rules or just guidelines or whatever but it would certainly weaken a scottish bid to have 2 venues in both cities especially when they are so close as they are.
Also Edinburghs 2nd venue would be questionable as Tynecastle´s pitch isnt up to recommended size.

Scotland would probably go with

Hampden
Ibrox
Murrayfield
2nd Edinburgh venue

and then they would have to find at least 4 more places where venues would do good in the long term.And it cant be right next to glasgow, edinburgh.

Aberdeen
Dundee

and then with 2 to go there simply are no more realistic places.

If Inverness and Dumfries could just double their population a few times it would look good for scotland but now, even with a 2nd edinburgh venue, Scotland cant come up with more than 6 good locations.

Its sad, though, as anything achieved by scotland could be significant as inspiration to all europe´s small nation leagues

bubomb

February 5th, 2006, 03:03 PM

Its AlL gUUd

February 5th, 2006, 04:20 PM

All sounds a bit vague to me. I would like to see proper documents as to what are guidelines and what are rules.

Scotland would be a joint bid anyway, so we would only need 4 venues (2 in Glasgow, 1 in Edinburgh, 1 in Aberdeen). There was never any chance of Scotland holding the tournament on it's own. The country is far too small, there wouldn't be enough hotels etc.

Its more to do with UEFA preferences, if scotland do bid with 2 in Glasgow and Edinburgh scotland will loose which is obvious, take that chance if you want. 4 cities for scotland is appropriate.

Lostboy

February 5th, 2006, 09:19 PM

Who would Scotland bid with? Ireland again presumably? Good solid prosperous country, but lacks football stadia.

Scba

February 5th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Needs a bigger roof. :|

01dc07

February 6th, 2006, 09:17 PM

bubomb

February 6th, 2006, 09:29 PM

Despite UEFA's "preferences", no Scottish bid would go ahead without Celtic Park, Ibrox, Hampden, Tynecastle, Easter Road and Murrayfield. This was what was proposed for Scotland's previous bid I believe.

No way would a bid have 3 stadiums in both Edinburgh and Glasgow. It wouldn't be a Scottish tournament, it would be a Glasgow/Edinburgh tournament!!

01dc07

February 6th, 2006, 09:35 PM

No way would a bid have 3 stadiums in both Edinburgh and Glasgow. It wouldn't be a Scottish tournament, it would be a Glasgow/Edinburgh tournament!!

Well I think that was what was proposed, though maybe they didn't include Murrayfield as it isn't a football stadium. It makes sense to have the 3 Glasgow stadiums, you have to play to your strengths and those 3 are the best football stadiums in Scotland. Of course, Hampden is the national stadium and must be included, and you cannot choose a stadium out of the other 2 because the other set of fans would complain. That is why Ibrox will not hold a UEFA final, it would come accross as bias on the part of the SFA.

I think the bid was supposed to also include Pittodrie, Tannadice and maybe Rugby Park.

bubomb

February 6th, 2006, 09:46 PM

Well I think that was what was proposed, though maybe they didn't include Murrayfield as it isn't a football stadium. It makes sense to have the 3 Glasgow stadiums, you have to play to your strengths and those 3 are the best football stadiums in Scotland. Of course, Hampden is the national stadium and must be included, and you cannot choose a stadium out of the other 2 because the other set of fans would complain. That is why Ibrox will not hold a UEFA final, it would come accross as bias on the part of the SFA.

I think the bid was supposed to also include Pittodrie, Tannadice and maybe Rugby Park.

and our bid failed miserably.

Ibrox holding a UEFA final would not be biased as it is the only club stadium in Scotland eligible (5 star) to hold a final. The reason it is not put forward by the SFA is because the SFA always put forward Hampden, for obvious reasons (the SFA own it).

01dc07

February 6th, 2006, 09:51 PM

and our bid failed miserably.

Ibrox holding a UEFA final would not be biased as it is the only club stadium in Scotland eligible (5 star) to hold a final. The reason it is not put forward by the SFA is because the SFA always put forward Hampden, for obvious reasons (the SFA own it).

I don't hold it against the SFA, they need the money and if it makes use of a stadium that we don't really get any use out of then I'm all for it.

bubomb

February 6th, 2006, 09:57 PM

I don't hold it against the SFA, they need the money and if it makes use of a stadium that we don't really get any use out of then I'm all for it.

I don't hold it against them either. If I owned a stadium I would put forward my own stadium before somebody else's.

kingdomca

February 7th, 2006, 05:55 AM

Well I think that was what was proposed, though maybe they didn't include Murrayfield as it isn't a football stadium. It makes sense to have the 3 Glasgow stadiums, you have to play to your strengths and those 3 are the best football stadiums in Scotland. Of course, Hampden is the national stadium and must be included, and you cannot choose a stadium out of the other 2 because the other set of fans would complain. That is why Ibrox will not hold a UEFA final, it would come accross as bias on the part of the SFA.

I think the bid was supposed to also include Pittodrie, Tannadice and maybe Rugby Park.

Murrayfield was included, as for the rest, well scotland wouldnt bid without Dundee and Aberdeen, it would be absolutely ridiculous as it would completly unneccessary elevate their weakness to extraordinary levels. all scottish stadiums in 2 cities 40 k apart, hardly.

They probably could use all 3 glasgow venues but it would have to count as only 2.
Is it possible to expand easter road? whats behind the old stand?

gorgu

February 7th, 2006, 09:09 AM

gorgu

February 7th, 2006, 09:09 AM

I count nine, altogether!

Lostboy

February 7th, 2006, 12:38 PM

There's the problem though - if Scotland takes on so many stadia, how can it be spread evenly with Ireland, which UEFA would demand.

bubomb

February 7th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Use all three in Glasgow, Two in Edinburgh (Tynecastle and Murrayfield) a new stadium in Dundee for both the teams there. A new stadium in Aberdeen, one in Kilmarnock that has temporarily expanded stands and one in Inverness with the same.

All are joined by motorways (Inverness excluded) all are near international airports and all have accomodation to cope with the influx of visitors

Inverness's stadium holds 7500 people. It is going to need more than temporary stands to get up to 30000, it would need a new stadium, same goes for Kilmarnock. Kilmarnock average 6664, so a 30000 stadium would be daft. Inverness average 5419, again a 30000 stadium is stupid. Neither of these ground can be made up to 30000 with temporary stands, new stadiums would need to be built. Both these towns are very small, they do not have enough hotels etc to host a stadium for a major tournament.

Lostboy

February 7th, 2006, 07:06 PM

If Scotland ever did try and host the European Championships again, it would probably need a different partner than the Republic or Wales. It could potentially have half of the stadia avaliable, but the other Celtic Countries could not. I suppose you'd be left to the Scandinavian Countries, perhaps Norway.

bubomb

February 7th, 2006, 07:11 PM

I think the basic answer to this is that Scotland will not be hosting the European Championships. We are simply far too small a country.

01dc07

February 7th, 2006, 08:34 PM

I think the basic answer to this is that Scotland will not be hosting the European Championships. We are simply far too small a country.

In a nutshell.

gorgu

February 8th, 2006, 12:33 AM

Sorry to disagree but rugby park could be converted into a stadium for 30000 temporarily and as for Inverness needing a new stadium totally agree!

Build a stadium for 30000 people that can be converted afterwards into a 20000 all seater stadium, that is covered, use it as a sporting centre of excellence for the highlands that has a multi sports use instead of being solely a football stadium!

If the Sydney Olympic stadium can be converted from 110000 people to 82000 then I am sure that it will be just as easy to do so for a stadium in Inverness.

Be blue sky thinkers, instead of typical dour Scots.

We have Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, Kilmarnock and Inverness where we could have games the first four could have permanent stadia used with perhaps reductions in capacities for the Aberdeen and Dundee stadia and Kilmarnock and Inverness could have sporting centres of excellence built that are like multipurpose football/rugby/hockey exhibition centres with demountable seats

Inverness and Kilmarnock could both cope with an temporary influx of 30000 people (remember it would only be for three games in the first round) Inverness has Aviemore and the ski resorts around it with ample hotel space and Kilmarnock has Ayr and the golf resorts of Troon and Turnberry which regularly cope with hundreds of thousands of visitors for the Open golf.

The only thing stopping Scotland from hosting a fantastic tournament is all you half glass empty miserable buggers

Its AlL gUUd

February 8th, 2006, 12:38 AM

I think the basic answer to this is that Scotland will not be hosting the European Championships. We are simply far too small a country.

Its not all bad, couple of years down the line Eire or Wales may have the stadia, wales have two now

kingdomca

February 8th, 2006, 01:34 AM

Its not all bad, couple of years down the line Eire or Wales may have the stadia, wales have two now

But Wales isnt a neighbouring country and its top teams play in England. This quickly gets "messy" and I just dont think UEFA wants this. Its also not a question whether scotland could host it but also why UEFA should give it to scotland.

Look at eastern europe, poland high economic growth, 40 million people, poor stadiums. If that government decided to throw money at venues to host a EURO, it would surely be something UEFA wants. the same with Russia, perhaps Hungary and the checs, later perhaps Romania, Ukraine.

There arent a lot of benefits by giving it to the scots in some messy arrangement.

Scotland should probably focus on getting euro cup finals rather than tournaments.

bubomb

March 24th, 2006, 10:44 PM

I thought I would post some pics of the best Scottish stadiums including some of the lesser known ones. There are lot's more, but I think these are the beat ones. Not bad for a small country of 5 million people. Could jealous porn loving Scandinavians please stay away from this post -

St.Mirren start work on a new 10000 stadium in July. There is also -

Murrayfield (67500) -

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5445/untitled99dv.jpg

http://www.genesisdreams.com/pics/Murrayfield.JPG

Celtic (60832) -

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/SCO/Celtic_Park6.jpg

Hampden (52103) -

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/4442_RANGERS.JPG

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/hampden_park/images/haupt_06.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/hampden_park/images/aussen_09.jpg

Rangers (50549, upgraded to 53-54000 over the next 18 months) -

http://img164.echo.cx/img164/9076/aussen111mf.jpg

http://www.icons.com/images/biog/albertz/ibrox.jpg

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

Kilmarnock (18128) -

http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/kilmar10.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/rugby_park/230.jpg

Hearts (18008, 1 more stand to rebuild, work starts in July) -

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/2249_HEARTS.jpg

Hibernain (17500, 1 more stand to rebuild) -

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/SCO/Easter_Road2.jpg

Partick Thistle (13079, 1 more stand to build) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/firhill_stadium/120.jpg

Dunfermline (12558) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/east_end_park/140.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/east_end_park/150.jpg

St. Johnstone (10673) -

http://www.stjohnstonefc.co.uk/newspics/aerial5.jpg

Airdrie (10170) -

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/airdrie40.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/airdrie41.jpg

Livingstone (10006) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/almondvale_stadium/130.jpg

http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/living10.jpg

Clyde (8029, 1 more stand to build) -

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/clyde40.jpg

Inverness Caledonian Thistle (7512) -

http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/45/e1/0,,10289~581957,00.jpg

Falkirk (6200, 2 more stands to be built) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/community_stadium/120.jpg

Hamilton (5300, 2 more stands to be built) -

http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/hamilton21.jpg

Stirling Albion (3808) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/forth_bank_stadium/140.jpg

Dumbarton (2050) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/strathclyde_homes_stadium/100.jpg

East Fife (2000) -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schottland/bayview_stadium/110.jpg

Lostboy

March 24th, 2006, 11:40 PM

bubomb

March 24th, 2006, 11:55 PM

The more I see Murrayfield the less I like it. Curious that you leave out the Granite City.

With the smaller ones I do like the Edinburgh Clubs Stadia, how big is Hibernians going to end up being, it looks a lot bigger than 17,000 from the two sides in your photo.

Do you class Sheffield Road as Scottish or not?

I only included the good one's or one's that will hopefully be finished in the near future. Pittodrie is too run down, they need 3 new stands, so it would probably be a new stadium for them if they were to look at stadium redevelopment.

Sheffield Park is an English stadium, but a Scottish team play in it!!

Welly

March 25th, 2006, 12:01 AM

The more I see Murrayfield the less I like it.

It's by far Scotland's best stadium.

idlewild

March 25th, 2006, 02:21 AM

Isn't the title of this thread an oxymoron??????

EADGBE

March 25th, 2006, 02:26 AM

My vote goes to Boghead, Dumbarton. The name certinaly conjours up the true essence of the place.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~jblair/groundsfornostalgia/boghead.jpg

gorgu

March 25th, 2006, 03:00 AM

He he I used toi live int eh next town,m the thing is Dumbarton have a new stadium now but yes it was a complete shit hole!

gorgu

March 25th, 2006, 03:02 AM

Yeah Pittodreie has the third largest capacity but Aberdeen really need a new stadium, unfortunately the managing director of Aberdeen (who incidentally is in the top 20 richest MDs in the UK) is such a tight fisted bastard that he won't give the club a penny!

bubomb

March 25th, 2006, 03:28 AM

Isn't the title of this thread an oxymoron??????

aren't you a bit of a wank?

Carter

March 25th, 2006, 04:24 AM

I really don't like Hampden park. I love the rangers stadium though. Hearts stadium looks similar to the Galgenwaard in Utrecht. That is a compliment.

EADGBE

March 25th, 2006, 11:26 AM

Some people just have no sense of humour!!

Remember this? Hahaha. Laugh it up, fuzzball!

2zanzibar

March 25th, 2006, 02:26 PM

My vote goes to Boghead, Dumbarton. The name certinaly conjours up the true essence of the place.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~jblair/groundsfornostalgia/boghead.jpg

Its true, Boghead looks the best out of a pretty mediocre bunch, though I would raise issues with the distance between the goal and the terrace...

Boards

March 25th, 2006, 03:37 PM

Pittotdrie means dungheap - I'm not kidding.

Noostairz

March 25th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Hearts (18008, 1 more stand to rebuild, work starts in July) -

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/2249_HEARTS.jpg

reminds me of a smaller version of deepdale (currently 22,225, has planning permission to go to 30,000)

http://www.stadiumsfootball.com/files/preston_3.jpg

http://www.derby.org/neil/preston10.jpg

asdfg

March 25th, 2006, 07:10 PM

Not a fan of the box stadiums. They look rather plain and archaic.

Murrayfield, Hampden and Celtic Park all look very impressive though.

cinosanap

February 19th, 2007, 11:35 PM

We've all seen countless threads on the big countries of the world so here is a small - but very passionate about sport - country's stadiums, Scotland.

Murrayfield, Edinburgh
67,500
Home to Scottish rugby and has hosted several football fixtures.
http://www.conferenceguideuk.com/images/Conference_Scotland/murrayfield.jpg

Celtic Park, Glasgow
60,832
Often refered to as Parkhead and Paradise after the name of the area and it being next to a cemetery, this stadium hosts Glasgow Celtic.
http://users.telenet.be/celticmutosk/Celtic%20Park%20best%2015.jpg

Hampden Park, Glasgow
52,000
The national stadium for football. Holder of many records and the Hampden Roar.
http://www.thesonsofscotland.co.uk/images/hampden%20park/Hampden%207.jpg

Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow
51,082
Known for it's industrial facade, Ibrox is home to the second half of the Old Firm, Rangers. One of Scotland's UEFA five star stadiums.
http://www.morrisandspottiswood.co.uk/images/projects/ibrox.jpg

Knockhill Tace Track, Fife
30,000
Nestled in the Fife countryside, Knockhill is Scotland's premier race circuit.
http://www.iainsnicolson.btinternet.co.uk/assets/images/1982b.jpg

Pittodrie, Aberdeen
22,200
Home to Aberdeen FC, European Cup winners of 1983.
http://www.fanzone.co.uk/Images/Stadia/Scottish_Football/pittodrie_stadium.jpg

Tynecastle Park, Edinburgh
18,300
Home to Hearts of Midlothian. Plans by owner 'Mad Vlad' Romanov to extend to 26,000.
http://img.search.com/thumb/f/fa/Tynecastle.jpg/300px-Tynecastle.jpg

Rugby Park, Kilmarnock
18,220
Owned by Kilmarnock. Rarely filled but hosts Scotland U21 Internationals and some rugby games.
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/kilmar10.jpg

Easter Road, Edinburgh
17,500
Houses Hibernien, Edinburgh's other SPL team.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4e/320px-Easter_Road_Aberdeen_against_Hibs.JPG

Meadowbank Stadium, Edinburgh
16,000
Primarilly used for athletics as a legacy from the comonwealth games.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/edinburgh_meadowbank.jpg

Tannadice, Dundee
14,200
Right across the road from local rivals Dundee, Dundee United's Tannadice.
http://www.fanzone.co.uk/Images/Stadia/Scottish_Football/tannadice_park.jpg

Fir Park, Motherwell
13,742
Home to Motherwell since 1895.
http://www.fanzone.co.uk/Images/Stadia/Scottish_Football/fir_park.jpg

Firhill Stadium, Glasgow
13,079
Home of Partick Thistle, Glasgow's third team. Terracing is to be sold for housing.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/firhill1.jpg

East End Park, Dunfermline
12,510
Home to Dunfermline Athletic who are bottom of the SPL.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/eastendpark1.jpg

Dens Park, Dundee
11,800
Houses Dundee FC in the 1st Divison. Main stand is not parallel to the pitch but is angular.
http://www.fanzone.co.uk/Images/Stadia/Scottish_Football/dens_park.jpg

Love Street, Paisley
11,800
Home to St Mirren and used for advertising by Irn Bru.
http://www.geocities.com/vanityprojectfanzine/football/StMirren013.JPG

McDiarmid Park, Perth
10,618
St Johnstone's home. Referred to as a souless lego-land stadium because of it's lack of character and out of town location.
http://www.mcdiarmidpark.co.uk/images/McDiarmid-Park-Aerial-5.jpg

Somerset Park, Ayr
10,243
Soon to be destroyed for a newer, but smaller, stadium.
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/Ayr.jpg

New Broomfield, Airdrie
10,171
Owned by the local council and leased back to the club.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/airdrie41.jpg

Starks Park, Kirkcaldy
10,104*
Home to Raith Rovers, former Scottish Cup champions but temporarilly stand in division 2.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/raith10.jpg
*Does not include terracing.

Other stadia include...

Livingston FC Livingston Almondvale Park 10,016
GBR Falkirk FC Falkirk Community Stadium 10,000
Greenock Morton Greenock Cappielow Park 8,100
FC Clyde Cumbernauld Broadwood Stadium 8,029
Inverness CT Inverness Tulloch Caledonian Stadium 7,512
Borders Rugby Galashiels Netherdale Stadium 7,000
Arbroath Arbroath Gayfield Park 6,488
Queen Of The South Dumfries Palmerston Park 6,412
Glasgow Rugby Glasgow Hughenden Stadium 6,000
Ross County Dingwall Victoria Park 5,800
Stranraer Stranraer Stair Park 5,600
Hamilton Academicals Hamilton New Douglas Park 5,300
Cowdenbeath Cowdenbeath Central Park 5,268
Elgin City Elgin Borough Briggs 5,000
Scottish Satires Edinburgh Grange Cricket Ground 5,000
West of Scotland CC Glasgow Hamilton Crescent 5,000
Forfar Athletic Forfar Station Park 4,602
Forres Mechanics Forres Mosset Park 4,541
Huntly FC Huntly Christie Park 4,500
Keith FC Keith Kynoch Park 4,450
Buckie Thistle Buckie Victoria Park 4,400
Montrose Montrose Links Park 4,338
Whitehill Welfare Rosewell Ferguson Park 4,000
Brechin City Brechin Glebe Park 3,960
Stirling Albion Stirling Forthbank Stadium 3,808
Deveronvale Banff Princess Royal Park 3,800
Peterhead Peterhead Balmoor Stadium 3,250
Brora Rangers FC Brora Dudgeon Park 3,250
Lossiemouth Lossiemouth Grant Park 3,250
Wick Academy FC Wick Harmsworth Park 3,200
East Fife East Fife Bayview Stadium 3,200
Dumbarton Dumbarton The Rock Stadium 3,100
Alloa Athletic Alloa Recreation Park 3,100
Fraserburgh FC Fraserburgh Bellslea Park 3,000
Clachnacuddin Inverness Grant Street Park 3,000

Not bad for a country of five million!

kinggeorge

February 20th, 2007, 01:51 AM

i always thought hearts played at murrayfield but i think scotland has done a tremendous job for stadia, watching their games on tv they seem to be full and i think for a country of what 5 million that is crazzy, i only wish greece could pull attendances like that, also i think the stadiums are really good, some of them are old but i guess thats alot of character in those stadiums any new ones on the horizon?