Hopefully this thread will sway some of the negative opinions voiced in the other threads. These photos depict a much nicer Los Angeles.

I present to you the City of Los Angeles...

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An improvement, but I cant get those other pics out of my mind.

Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with the other pics. Go to the worst areas of all major cities and it they won't look much different. Yes Los Angeles has its negatives but it also has its positives.

Your pictures definately show the beauty of the place but they don't change the fact that living in LA means you are trapped in a massive parking lot with limited infrastructure where you are reliant on a vehicle to go anywhere.

It is the only city that I have seen that has night clubs surrounded by extensive surface parking lots. Who wants to drive to a night club? No wonder Paris is always gusted busted dui.

For pictures that are supposedly the best of the city, there were really only about 5 or 6 out of the 30 odd where I really liked what I saw.

Not true. It all just depends on what area of LA you are in. For example, I could get from North Hollywood all the way to Long Beach using the mass transit system in place. Those places are FAR apart from each other. I could take the Red Line subway into Downtown Los Angeles and transfer to the Blue Line and go all the way to Long Beach. LA's mass transit system isn't the best but it's definitely not as bad as people make it out to be. You can access many areas of LA with the rail system. The reason why the system isn't regarded as being very good and why it doesn't have a high ridership is because it doesn't access the most popular areas of LA. Most people want to rely on public transportation completely or not at all. Another thing is that a lot of the streets in Los Angeles aren't as walkable as they should be.

Surface parking lots? Yes, there are a lot of parking lots. It's one of the things I don't like about Los Angeles. But I think that will change in the future since we are a growing city and have no other choice but to build up.

So, basically, if you've never even been here I ask you to reserve judgment. If you have been here and didn't like it, that's unfortunate. However, I would suggest you maybe come back in say 5 years from now and enjoy all of the changes that are being made.

For pictures that are supposedly the best of the city, there were really only about 5 or 6 out of the 30 odd where I really liked what I saw.

Those aren't the best.

Here are some more:

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I like #2 and #5. :)

Sorry but LA mass transit is a joke and an embarrassment. Thats if you can even find it. Not even the locals would suggest you use it. I have been to LA twice 3 nights in 05 and 5 nights in 06 staying in West Hollywood. Without a car you are screwed. The other thing that your pictures show is the lack of parklands. When you look at them there is limited green open space within the built up areas, and when you do find that greenery you generally find out its a private golf course.

Did you even read my post? I said that the reason why LA's mass transit isn't regarded as being good is because it doesn't access the most popular areas of LA. West Hollywood is one of THE most popular areas of LA.

I like #2 and #5. :)

Thank you. It's good to get some positive feedback. :)

Your photos are very good and they give a good perspective of what LA looks like? Had it just rained because they are probably some of the clearest images I have seen of LA?

Yeah, it just rained. They're actually not mine. I got them from flickr and I always search the most recent ones.

Nice photos there. I know LA has a smog problem so is the air usually as clear as in those shots, or is this a rarity? Is the smog worse at certain times of the year e.g. in winter, due to temperature inversions?

LA is basically in a desert, or semi-desert, isn't it? What is the average annual rainfall?

gusted busted dui.
What on earth does this mean?

Hmmm, most of those pics wouldn't make me want to go there (even though I do), basically because it shows one of Mankind's biggest waste of resources... urban sprawl... but here's one that you should have posted! :D This is partly why i want to visit.
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I have been there Soul, that place is so overrated and it is nothing but a tourist trap. Ninety percent of people there are on tours and the shopping stores are mostly chain stores selling merchandise etc you find at other places (ie Universal Studios, Santa Monica etc).

He still wants to see it for himself. Anyways, it's definitely one of the top tourist destinations in LA. It's not really a tourist trap. The Graumann's Chinese Theater, Roosevelt Hotel, Hollywood Magic Castle, Capitol Records Building, Hollywood Walk of Fame, etc. are all unique to LA. I think you are referring to the Hollywood and Highland complex as a tourist trap which it kind of is but Hollywood Blvd. most certainly isn't a tourist trap.

Anyways, that area is becoming more and more trendy. We recently broke ground on the Hollywood and Vine project which is a transit-oriented development that will have a W Hotel, W Residences, and apartments. The nightlife is pretty good with hotspots like Geisha House.

In the future, we will have a Madame Tussaud's right next to the Graumann's Chinese Theater as well as an H&M and Zara. Expect more infill projects in that area to create a high-density, urban, and trendy environment.

LA has some wonderful architecture, eclectic and ostentatious. I love it. It does look a bit smoggy in some of the pics, but sooooo many people. An improved and expansive transit system would make it even better.

I've re-assessed my opinion of the city after learning more about its past, its fairly recent past compared to the old world or even the Eastern part of the US. Anyway, there are truly some amazing stories, bigger than Ben Hur. So, Hollywood Blvd may seem touristy, but if you know the stories behind the buildings it makes it a hell of a lot more interesting. If you have the inside scoop on food and entertainment, you can find whatever you like, pretentious to authentic. Also the much maligned inner-city neighbourhoods are being transformed into distinct quarters as more and more Angelinos realise the benefits of inner-city living. The city is on the rise once again.

ROCK ON LA!!!

Thanks for the select photo tour Westsidelife. Do you have any pics of inner-city LA, such as the Byzantine-Latino quarter, and some of the famous theates in and around the city?

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I don't think any apologies are needed for the economically strongest city in the strongest state in the US that ranks as the 6th largest economy if it were a country. A second tier Alpha city making it there in less than 100 years! Sharing that ranking with cities that perhaps even Methuselah lived in! The most photographed and shot city in history! The most extensive freeway system in the world, it's a fucking work of art! The most densely urbanzied area in the US. Gateway to Asia. Busiest container port. One of the most (if not most) ethnically diverse metros on the planet. Even the suburbs are stars. Who haven't heard of Santa Monica, Malibu, Beverly Hills and Compton? LA did what it needed to do (sometimes not pretty)to launch itself to world city Alpha status. And as "Westside" eluded now is time to start prettying up the city a bit and creating more small greenspace and the like. But if chaotic and unbridled energy is not your thing, don't come here, please! Many times I must ask myself, 'who's in charge here?' I love that aspect of the city! Still growing! Still evolving! Still searching for what, I'm not sure. But on the street everyone knows that the city is in yet another metamorphis stage. Challenging, hedging bets and going against the grain, yet again! Never excusing or making light of its mistakes (like so many other cities) but never letting you forget its wonderful and unmatched accomplishments! LA is a wonderful and sometimes woeful experiment. Really, it's just getting started!

This is all in a city that probably shouldn't have been built to begin with. What? With very little water and several active fault lines.
Population in 1900 for the metro region:250,000
Population in 2005(est):17 million

Most of the forumers on here are way off about LA...Like any large global city it is gonna have a ton of tourists. As far as Public Transit is concerned, In 10 years or so LA will have one of the best in the country.

This is taken from urbanrail.com, an often referenced site in regards to worldwide mass transit. But I'd admit that this statement is an unforgiving swipe at the "down under".

The Oceania section of UrbanRail.Net has been temporarily suspended due to lack of time and because there are no 'real' metros in Australia or New Zealand, and those suburban systems with metro-like urban sections are widely covered on other English-language websites.

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Nice photos there. I know LA has a smog problem so is the air usually as clear as in those shots, or is this a rarity? Is the smog worse at certain times of the year e.g. in winter, due to temperature inversions?

LA is basically in a desert, or semi-desert, isn't it? What is the average annual rainfall?


What on earth does this mean?

smog is only a problem on the hottest days of the year in the middle of summer. other than that, its not really noticeable. a lot of pics that people see of LA and think that its smog, is really the marine layer, cloud cover similar to fog that rolls over the LA basin and it looks like haze as its burning off. the LA Bsin is not a desert, with annual rainfall in Downtown LA around 15 inches. However, with LA's extremely variable terrain, many different areas have different climates. the 10,000 foot peaks around LA get aver 150 inches of snow a year, the Deserts around LA get less than 2 inches of rain a year, the foothills get over 35 inches of rain a year, and all of these areas are relatively close to each other. the average temps in the LA area range from the high 60's at the beaches, to the mid 70's Downtown and inland, 80's in the valleys, 60' in the mountains and 90's in the deserts for every season other than winter where it drops about 10 degrees from that.

for example, there is a storm coming in on thursday. this is how the forcast is. 50's for highs at the beach with 1 - 1.5 inches of rain, high 50's for the inland areas with 1 - 1.5 inches of rain, low to mid 50's for the valleys and foothills with 2 - 3 inches of rain, snow level starting at 6000 feet dropping to 3000 feet with 12 inches between 3000 -5000 feet, 12 - 24 inches above 7000 feet.

smog is only a problem on the hottest days of the year in the middle of summer. other than that, its not really noticeable. a lot of pics that people see of LA and think that its smog, is really the marine layer, cloud cover similar to fog that rolls over the LA basin and it looks like haze as its burning off. the LA Bsin is not a desert, with annual rainfall in Downtown LA around 15 inches. However, with LA's extremely variable terrain, many different areas have different climates. the 10,000 foot peaks around LA get aver 150 inches of snow a year, the Deserts around LA get less than 2 inches of rain a year, the foothills get over 35 inches of rain a year, and all of these areas are relatively close to each other. the average temps in the LA area range from the high 60's at the beaches, to the mid 70's Downtown and inland, 80's in the valleys, 60' in the mountains and 90's in the deserts for every season other than winter where it drops about 10 degrees from that.


You also forgot the haze. Haze for all accounts, is fog that doesn't burn off. Many many times have people confused smog for haze. LA's smog problem is NOTHING like it used to be. Mexico City and many cities in China have worse smog. The only time LA becomes unbearable is whenever a brush fire happens and the smoke gets trapped in the LA basin. Who can forget the summer of 2002 when all of SoCal was on fire? I woke up one day and the sky was a muddy brown and cars had a fine layer of ash.

Thanks to car emissions and cleaner air practices for refineries the air quality is much improved from the past. It still isn't as good as it could/should be but hopefully there will be more progress.

There are plenty of Australians that call LMU|LA home. Our D1 BBall team even has three starters from Australia and ESPN shows a few marquee games down under from here.

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But this might be the real draw :cheers:

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LA is an exciting city. There's no doubt about it. I really believe a lot of the negativism about LA (from outside the US) comes from a kneejerk anti-americanism which seems so prevalent these days, rather than a rational, honest assessment of the pros and cons of the city.

You're nothing if not predictable Platypus.

I think Americans may just be too proud of their country, and therefor ignore the obvious problems it has. Maybe its not us making blind assumptions but its citizens :P

I think Americans may just be too proud of their country, and therefor ignore the obvious problems it has. Maybe its not us making blind assumptions but its citizens :P

Umm.. I'm definitely not proud of everything my country does. Hell, I'm not proud of most of what my country does.

And, actually, it took me a while to become proud of being an Angeleno. Yes, the crime, traffic, etc. sucks compared to a lot of the first world.

But the overall diversity here (geographic, cultural, racial, ethnic, industrial, religious, architectural, etc. etc.) is unmatched by anywhere in the world and I do not believe that is at all a biased or even strong claim. It's TRUE.

While I agree that many other places in the world are nicer (such as Sydney or Melbourne, which I've heard are great, fun, beautiful places) there is no where else where you can experience such an exhaustive collection of the world's cultures and experiences in one place. And that's what makes me have to live here. If anything, I'm more proud of everything here that isn't what you're referring to when you use the term Americans. It's diversity that makes LA--and America great. Sometimes we forget that, but it's always true. There is nowhere in the world that brings together so many cultures and experiences. If we can make it work in LA, the world is not too far a shot..

Also,
I noticed the term "sprawl" being thrown about here as a derogatory remark about LA.
I don't want to be mean, but here's the hard, cold facts:

Melbourne Urban Area: 4,150 ppl./sq. mile
Sydney Urban Area: 5,500 ppl./sq. mile
Los Angeles Urban Area: 7,700 ppl./sq. mile

LA has the highest urban area density in the New First World (Canada, US, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa)


...I have no hate for Australia, I've been meaning to go there soon, and I have liked every Aussie I've ever met.. You guys travel a lot, which is awesome.
And thanks for those Aussies who stood up for our fair city.

If Australians want to feel at home in LA they could always take a drive around the inland area of Topanga Caynon, there Euclyptus trees everywhere, you'd swear you were back in Oz.

Bullswool, from my experience of having lived in LA and visited a lot of the US, it's citizens are generally more than aware of the problems it has, but they also have a strong belief in the ability of the individual to make succeed and find their own sense of place. Of course some people get left behind, and that's probably the biggest challenge that the US has domestically, and contary to what a lot of the non US media will tell you, a lot of initiatives come out of the US such as to getting poor people into jobs. The US is actually better at acknowledging their problems than some European countries, such as the French and Germans, who have a habit of ignoring their issues in the hope that they go away, such as economic reform or integration of dissaffected young Muslims.

Umm.. I'm definitely not proud of everything my country does. Hell, I'm not proud of most of what my country does.

And, actually, it took me a while to become proud of being an Angeleno. Yes, the crime, traffic, etc. sucks compared to a lot of the first world.

But the overall diversity here (geographic, cultural, racial, ethnic, industrial, religious, architectural, etc. etc.) is unmatched by anywhere in the world and I do not believe that is at all a biased or even strong claim. It's TRUE.



Sorry but i think London is way way more diverse than LA is. That doesn't diminsh the diversity of LA one bit tho. LA is definately a ,mystery to me. I think it is a great city (i'll doubt that anyone that loves or hates it can dispute that claim) BUT for my personal tastes i would rather a city like Paris, Chicago or Florence.

Cool that's your choice. Why do most Australians move to the Santa Monica/Venice area of the city? The British too.........

Btw, BOTH LA and London are some of the most diverse places on Earth.

If you type in "world's most multicutural metropolis" into google, you get references to Los Angeles and Toronto.. It's hard to get a definitive answer on this stuff because both the terms "multicultural" and "metropolis" are defined very differently by different people. I think it's safe to say that the world's most multicultural urban regions are Los Angeles, New York, Toronto, and London. I have seen each of these (with the exception of London) referenced as the world's most ethnically diverse or multicultural metropolis.

I wasn't saying that, hands down, LA is the most diverse on each front, but taken as a whole (all characteristics of a city--architecture, living style, ecology, topography, industry, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, economic status, ethnic background, etc. etc.) I do not feel too strong saying that LA is the most overall diverse metropolis you can live in. All the other cities that are on a multicultural level with LA do not have the same diversity of architecture, geography, or even industry.

I think it's hard to understand because LA, taken as a whole, is actually the exact opposite of white people living in sprawling suburbs by the beach, working for the film industry.

Also, London is the only place I've ever spent time in that has come close to offering the same diversity of experience as LA. (I've spent a lot of time in NYC, and it never did it for me..)

I love London and I think if you live in both LA and London you'll notice a lot of similarities (weather aside...)

This is taken from urbanrail.com, an often referenced site in regards to worldwide mass transit. But I'd admit that this statement is an unforgiving swipe at the "down under".

The Oceania section of UrbanRail.Net has been temporarily suspended due to lack of time and because there are no 'real' metros in Australia or New Zealand, and those suburban systems with metro-like urban sections are widely covered on other English-language websites.
Are you trying to be funny - looking up the timetables for the LA 'metros' I can find substantial periods of 15-20 minute running frequencies.

Try actually comparing these frequencies to services in Melbourne and Sydney - also notice the far greater breadth of our systems.

LA is an exciting city. There's no doubt about it. I really believe a lot of the negativism about LA (from outside the US) comes from a kneejerk anti-americanism which seems so prevalent these days, rather than a rational, honest assessment of the pros and cons of the city.

How is Arnie going as governor of CA, Platypus? The state was a basket-case financially under the previous governor. Has AS been able to turn things around? Is he still popular?

^^ Well I live on the East Coast but from visiting California and from the national media I get the impression he has turned things around. California has been badly mismanaged in recent years which is surprisng given the size of the economy (bigger than most countries). He has made some tough decisions, but the public respond to him and he was easily re-elected last November (at a time when republicans are generally pretty much on the nose). The 2007-8 California budget is projected to wipe out the state deficit. He is rumoured to be thinking about a Senate run in 2010, however my understanding is that he can't run for President unless thay changed the constitution to allow foreign born citizens to run.

LA is an exciting city. There's no doubt about it. I really believe a lot of the negativism about LA (from outside the US) comes from a kneejerk anti-americanism which seems so prevalent these days, rather than a rational, honest assessment of the pros and cons of the city.

:lol: You are a sad human being. People don't like LA because it's LA. My God we like NYC and Chicago but as soon as we diss places like Huston, Phoenix or LA, watch out.

LA is just the world’s largest backwater with a lot of fake people. It gets shit because it deserves it.

I guess hating Howard is Anti American as well. FO.

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You might want to visit it first Citystyle, it's not necessarily the city you'd expect, and you might find yourself having a good time there in spite of your preconceptions.

:lol: You are a sad human being. People don't like LA because it's LA. My God we like NYC and Chicago but as soon as we diss places like Huston, Phoenix or LA, watch out.

LA is just the world’s largest backwater with a lot of fake people. It gets shit because it deserves it.

I guess hating Howard is Anti American as well. FO.


its so sad when people judge based just on TV and Movies. oh boy.

:lol: You are a sad human being. People don't like LA because it's LA. My God we like NYC and Chicago but as soon as we diss places like Huston, Phoenix or LA, watch out.

LA is just the world’s largest backwater with a lot of fake people. It gets shit because it deserves it.

I guess hating Howard is Anti American as well. FO.

IDIOT.

I like those pics, i wan't to visit LA one day :) and San fran (Basically do the whole west coast anywhay).

Makes me wonder why the CBD is in the middle of kinda nothing, like um why was that spot chosen or why did it grow in that area??
Most city's CBD's are on a river or something but LA seems to have nothing at all around it in a full 360 accept sprawl, i'm not saying thats a bad thing i find it interesting!

It has a nice skyline, but very very small for a city of 20 million.

Still somewhere i could live, thanks for the pics :)

I like those pics, i wan't to visit LA one day :) and San fran (Basically do the whole west coast anywhay).

Makes me wonder why the CBD is in the middle of kinda nothing, like um why was that spot chosen or why did it grow in that area??
Most city's CBD's are on a river or something but LA seems to have nothing at all around it in a full 360 accept sprawl, i'm not saying thats a bad thing i find it interesting!

It has a nice skyline, but very very small for a city of 20 million.

Still somewhere i could live, thanks for the pics :)

Guess it was one of three things LA5R

1 - On the site of the original Spanish mission
2 - Because the rail terminal was nearby
3 - Water source

Am I close anyone?

The other thing to remember about LA, is that it's a very decentralized city, such as the highrise office and apartment buildings along Wilshire Blvd (such as Century City), and in West Hollywood. It's just that they never shown in the shots of LA in the way say that Sydney and North Sydney are shown with the bridge in the middle.

LA doesn't have just one CBD it has many. The skyline out in Century City can almost rival downtown.

:lol: You are a sad human being. People don't like LA because it's LA. My God we like NYC and Chicago but as soon as we diss places like Huston, Phoenix or LA, watch out.

LA is just the world’s largest backwater with a lot of fake people. It gets shit because it deserves it.

I guess hating Howard is Anti American as well. FO.

You live in Australia and you have the nerve to call LA backwater! So just to call you out for fun ,
:poke: if LA is the world's largest "backwater" Australia and it's people have to make up the world's largest "trailer park".:lol: I mean does ole Johnny boy even wear shoes? And he must surely pick the remaining teeth that he has with discarded toe nails. And on the subject of toes he must have a sixth one.......and of course all of you consider incest marrying up......and of course not much more than a dollar can be left around you people less it be stolen, considering the breed you came from.......I mean, even the Aborigines considered you dirty and uncivilized........:poke:

Another shining achievment from the U.S. education system. Christ! The way it churns out semi-literate fuckwits in their millions, it's no surprise the Libertarians wan't to disband it.

You live in Australia and you have the nerve to call LA backwater! So just to call you out for fun ,
:poke: if LA is the world's largest "backwater" Australia and it's people have to make up the world's largest "trailer park".:lol: I mean does ole Johnny boy even wear shoes? And he must surely pick the remaining teeth that he has with discarded toe nails. And on the subject of toes he must have a sixth one.......and of course all of you consider incest marrying up......and of course not much more than a dollar can be left around you people less it be stolen, considering the breed you came from.......I mean, even the Aborigines considered you dirty and uncivilized........:poke:

Is that a joke? Im laughing right now (My sarcasm metre is also going off the chart!) You have obviously been watching that dumb Simpsons episode where they come to Australia & meet wall to wall hicks. Nothing like Americans making fun of the rest of the world eh? Ignorance.
Disliking the physical attibutes of a city is no excuse for dissing a whole nation based on what you Americans think.
Ha ha Citysyle. Phoenix is such a dump as well. Thats where Kath & Kim American style will be set. Ewww.

Anyone who groups LA with Houston, Dallas, and Phoenix probably doesn't know too much about LA. Los Angeles, for being on the world's ten Alpha cities, is NOT a dump. IDIOT.

ooops, Los Angeles is bigger than Phoenix...

And is three times as dense as Phoenix with more culture, more energy, more vibrancy, and more diversity. Calling one of the world's most innovative and creative cities a larger version of Phoenix only shows your ignorace. Absolutely no one groups LA with Phoenix. MORON.

MORON? :lol: Defensive arent we?
Yes LA has more energy, more diversity than Phoenix & is obviously a larger city than most. Yes, I know its full of hedonistic & enlightening pleasures, very much a cultural & entertainment hotspot, but to me its still a hole.

Now take note: Many people have called Melbourne a hole but I dont call them "MORONS" Feel free to diss Melbourne all you like, Im not going to get on my high horse. Some suggestions are taking the piss out of Melbourne's weather, size, population & location, as well as our relative obscurity on the world stage.

If the worst thing people say about your city is about its physical makeup, count yourself lucky.

Another shining achievment from the U.S. education system. Christ! The way it churns out semi-literate fuckwits in their millions, it's no surprise the Libertarians wan't to disband it.

Gee, was that from Crocodile Dundee I or II?:baeh3:

MORON? :lol: Defensive arent we?
Yes LA has more energy, more diversity than Phoenix & is obviously a larger city than most. Yes, I know its full of hedonistic & enlightening pleasures, very much a cultural & entertainment hotspot, but to me its still a hole.

Now take note: Many people have called Melbourne a hole but I dont call them "MORONS" Feel free to diss Melbourne all you like, Im not going to get on my high horse. Some suggestions are taking the piss out of Melbourne's weather, size, population & location, as well as our relative obscurity on the world stage.

If the worst thing people say about your city is about its physical makeup, count yourself lucky.

Calling Los Angeles a larger version of Phoenix shows only how ignorant you are. Go educate yourself about Los Angeles.

As for Melbourne, I don't bash cities I'm not familiar with. You don't have to like Los Angeles. But if you call Los Angeles a larger version of Phoenix, you can expect to hear back from them. I don't believe that's too hard to comprehend. ;)

"cant we all get along??" (Rodney King, 1992)

Klamedia didnt mean those comments as his own thoughts, rather he was making fun of the poster because they wrote a similar post about LA. both are ridiculous. Klamedia, please correct me if im wrong, i dont want to put words in you mouth.

You live in Australia and you have the nerve to call LA backwater! So just to call you out for fun ,
:poke: if LA is the world's largest "backwater" Australia and it's people have to make up the world's largest "trailer park".:lol: I mean does ole Johnny boy even wear shoes? And he must surely pick the remaining teeth that he has with discarded toe nails. And on the subject of toes he must have a sixth one.......and of course all of you consider incest marrying up......and of course not much more than a dollar can be left around you people less it be stolen, considering the breed you came from.......I mean, even the Aborigines considered you dirty and uncivilized........:poke:

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

You really shouldn't be coming on to the Australian forum to post crap like that. Ive always like Los Angeles, but now you posters are starting to remind me of those obsessive members from Chicago who think their city is the worlds number 1. :nuts:

We couldn't be more different from Chicagoans. LOL. Believe me when I tell ya... :lol:

Hey everyone this "my city/country is better" arguement will just close this thread so tone down the comments or just SHUT UP please!

"cant we all get along??" (Rodney King, 1992)

Klamedia didnt mean those comments as his own thoughts, rather he was making fun of the poster because they wrote a similar post about LA. both are ridiculous. Klamedia, please correct me if im wrong, i dont want to put words in you mouth.

"Sportsfan" we both have fought trolls side by side for over a year now in our own LA forum so you know very well how I feel about trollism. But never a good thing can be said about LA even in a thread subtitled "Love Los Angeles" w/o a comment from some asshole about LA being a dump, plastic, fake, smoggy, 3rd world etc., etc, etc. If one wanted to be truly vigilant it should be in regards to that numbskull from Perth who spewed such disdain about LA that could have very well gone in the other thread "Hate Los Angeles". We take the time to visit your forum and post pics of LA within a thread that seemingly promotes positive talk about the city only to be bombarded once again by persons who have something shitty to say about it. Then you attempt to castigate me because I took the rare action of fighting "fire w/ fire" while you just gave a wink and a nod to the idiot from Perth! What you need to do is regulate your own forumers and let them know that outright city bashing is unacceptable. I can rest assure you and I'm sure that "Sportsfan" can back me up on this one as our beloved LA moderator that if you come and visit the LA forum you will be treated with both respect and a source of information.

This thread as well as the other LA one should be shut down as it is illegal to do the city/country vs vs crap!

Anyway, LA is a really cool city. Been there several times. I like the area around LA like north on Pacific Coast HWY. (Malibu, Santa Barbara.
LA itself has so many interesting and some incredibly beautiful districts. Love the hills, mountains, beach areas.

Sydney, in my opinion does not offer as much and you cant go anywhere (citywise) once your out. It's like being stuck on an island far away. (oops, it is) lol

My favourites in the Western Coastal parts of America are

San Francisco
San Diego
Portland, Oregon
Seattle
LA.

These LA threads are getting out of hand. It's become a game of insulting each others cities and countries. That's not why we're here. It's not fair to make assumptions on places that you've never visited. Everyone takes pride in where they live, otherwise they wouldn't choose to be there, and to insult their home city is very rude and insulting. So even if you have visited any of the places that have been thrown into this forum and didn't like them, it's just bad manners to say to the people who live there that thier hometown is a disgrace. That hurts and no one ever wants to hear that. In the end, everyone is fuming and stressed, and what's the point of coming on here for fun if we feel like that?

Let recognise that not everyone likes LA. That's the way it is. Not everyone likes Australia, that's the way it is too. I hear it all the time from people that LA is one of the worst places to live, but I disagree and hence why I choose to be here. I hear people make fun of Australia for being backwards, but I don't care, I know better and that's why I call it home. I don't ever appreciate people who are so blunt to shove their opinions on me, especially when they know I disagree. It seems as though people on here are purposely pushing other members' with such lack of respect.

I want to recognise LA for all the great things it has: weather, people, energy, opportunities, diversity, beaches, attractions, clubs, laid-back attitude, and beauty. I want to thank everyone in LA who have opened up their city to me and let me experience it. All of you should be proud of your city, as should my fellow Aussies for our glorious country. Now lets all get along!

^^ Agreed & well said:)