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ALBA Berlin

8x Champion:
1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001,
2002, 2003, 2008

6x Cup Winner:
1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006,
2009

1x ULEB Eurocup:
1995



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Eisbären Berlin

6x Champion:
2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011,
2012

1x Cup Winner:
2008







This is the new Arena for Berlin:

After long negotiations it has now been announced that a name-sponsor will be found until the end of the year to secure the financial costs.
After that construction works should begin.
Possible name-sponsors include:O2 and the Deutsche Telekom.
The arena will house 17.000 spec. but it can also go up to 21.000 spec. as the plannings are not totally finished yet.It depends on the budget basically.
The arena will be home to Alba Berlin (Basketball) and the Eisbaeren (Icebears,Icehockey)

here are some pics:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Basketball_Nord.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Basketball_Sued.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Eishockey_Nord.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Nordwest.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/PerspektiveSued.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Staedtebau.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/Suedwest.jpg

and this is the future construction site:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_21_06_2005_1.jpg

It has already been cleared.
Btw:on the lower left corner you can see a small part of the Ostbahnhof. (East-Trainstation),and just next to the street is the last conserved part of the Berlin-Wall.

Ok great news.
The arena will definitely be built.
the name-sponsor is very likely to be O2 who are willing to pay 55million euros for the name rights for the next ten years.
other bidders include Nokia.

Heres another pic from the building site

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_21_06_2005_2.jpg

Ok great news.
The arena will definitely be built.
the name-sponsor is very likely to be O2 who are willing to pay 55million euros for the name rights for the next ten years.
other bidders include Nokia.
5.5 million euros per year... compared to soccer stadiums quite a lot

A new chapter in the further development of Berlin, and it looks great!

Part of the area seen from the Warschauer Brücke, taken September 30, 2005. Click here (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=289793) for more Berlin-pics.
http://207.44.228.231/marin/16130092005.jpg

the building application has been handed in.

now only a sponsor has to presented before construction works could start :)

GREAT!!! I wonder why Icehockey is so big in Germany, but not so big in the netherlands...

GREAT!!! I wonder why Icehockey is so big in Germany, but not so big in the netherlands...

Because our country isn't that big. :)

Wow impressive pictures. It's like the American and Canadian ones, that's a thing i dont like...

Not bad, congrats !

Year, it looks very good. There is talk of building amultiarena i Copenhagen, hopefully it will be just as nice as this one. Very good...

it reminds me of amsterdam arena

it's good.

it reminds me of amsterdam arena

You're not wrong!

It has been revealed now that the name sponsor will most certainly be O2.

^^what is the total price for this?

O² paid 55 million € for the name for the next 10 years.
The Arena itself will cost 159 million €

So there is going to be two O2 Arenas? :confused:

O² paid 55 million € for the name for the next 10 years.
The Arena itself will cost 159 million €
wow...expensive....

I wouldn't say that.In the States for a 18000-20000 seat stadium they pay an averagfe of 350-365 million box.

It is also similar to amsterdam arena as rexfan and metrostar said and for me it is also similar to reliant stadium.

Stern said in 2004 about NBA expansion that London and Berlin are the only european cities building a world-class arenas to host a NBA franchise one day. I guess this is one of them and the other the conversion of the London Millenium Dome.

Sorry, but I have the article only in spanish..

It looks very similar to NBA arenas in the USA

I wouldn't say that.In the States for a 18000-20000 seat stadium they pay an averagfe of 350-365 million box.
well, more expencive then the one planed in copenhagen. Though that will probably also be shit....Or at least not as nice as this one...

Stern said in 2004 about NBA expansion that London and Berlin are the only european cities building a world-class arenas to host a NBA franchise one day. I guess this is one of them and the other the conversion of the London Millenium Dome.

Sorry, but I have the article only in spanish..

There are a lot of European arenas over 15,000 seats, which should make em NBA able.

There are a lot of European arenas over 15,000 seats, which should make em NBA able.
Arenas sure. But how many cities have teams that could potentially play at an NBA level?

Athens.Panathinaikos is tyhe best team in the world after the NBA teams OF COURSE.

Arenas sure. But how many cities have teams that could potentially play at an NBA level?

I didn't talk about that. I think every European city with 1 million citizens or more could have a NBA level team.

The name of the Arena will be O² World

Here's a new rendering.
The whole front facade will be a LED Display :shocked:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9725/117143scaleup9mz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Heres the new website for the arena:

http://www.o2-world.de/de/home.html

I have to say though that the name sucks! O2-world really sounds stupid.
They could have named it O2 arena or something like that.

I also think that a capacity of 19.000 would have been better.
17.000 is just a bit too small for a city like Berlin.

Some more stats:

- 17.000 seats
- 59 business boxes
- 4 Event boxes
- 2 conference boxes

It will cost 150 million euros,(Thats actually quite cheap.)and it will be opened in 2008.

http://i3.tinypic.com/wmjbc7.jpg

Good (actually average for a new) arena but who is gonna use it?There aren't any real teams in germany(especially in berlin).If we were given an arena like this i would be packed every day.

Really nice, but i rather like Dusseldorf's ISS Dome

Heres the new website for the arena:

http://www.o2-world.de/de/home.html

I have to say though that the name sucks! O2-world really sounds stupid.
They could have named it O2 arena or something like that.

I also think that a capacity of 19.000 would have been better.
17.000 is just a bit too small for a city like Berlin.

Some more stats:

- 17.000 seats
- 59 business boxes
- 4 Event boxes
- 2 conference boxes

It will cost 150 million euros,(Thats actually quite cheap.)and it will be opened in 2008.

Berlin needs more than one arenas I think for its clubs and it's better 3x10000 seats that 1x20000 ...

and this is the future construction site:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_21_06_2005_1.jpg

It has already been cleared.
Btw:on the lower left corner you can see a small part of the Ostbahnhof. (East-Trainstation),and just next to the street is the last conserved part of the Berlin-Wall.

Hey, I know that location. When I went to Berlin last november I stayed at a hostel very close to the Ostbahnhof. It's just a little bit to the left in that picture. Pretty cool they're gonna build such a sweet arena there. Should be a good upgrade for the immediate surrounding.

Berlin needs more than one arenas I think for its clubs and it's better 3x10000 seats that 1x20000 ...


Well there are more arenas
The Max-Schmeling-Halle for example, which is home to Germanys best Basketball team Alba Berlin.
The arena is usually packed when they play.


http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/basketball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/max_schmeling_halle/440.jpg
http://www.supporters-bs.de/Fbbl/images/bilder2004/14042004/Berlin04.JPG
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/basketball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/max_schmeling_halle/100.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/basketball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/max_schmeling_halle/120.jpg

Nice arena, yet the capacity is only 9000

The name of the Arena will be O² World

Here's a new rendering.
The whole front facade will be a LED Display :shocked:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9725/117143scaleup9mz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:applause:

A new rendering:

http://www.meinberlin.de/fototouren/bilder/746/04-o2-World7.jpg

^^Looks awesome...

Stern said in 2004 about NBA expansion that London and Berlin are the only european cities building a world-class arenas to host a NBA franchise one day. I guess this is one of them and the other the conversion of the London Millenium Dome.

Sorry, but I have the article only in spanish..

What about Manchester's MEN arena? It always wins arena awards and holds 19000, I think it has the record for Europe's highest Ice attendance too.

Anyway back to Berlin, this looks great, its in Friedrichshain across from Kreuzberg right? Near the East Side Gallery, I think Im staying on a hostel on a boat next to that funny bridge in a few weeks so I'll be able to see if anything has happened yet. Well done Berlin anyway, wonder if they'll ever bid for the Olympics again?

The new promenade alongside the river Spree just in font of the site of the arena is now uc:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/wettbewerbe/1_preis_c800.jpg

Here you can see the arena just in the middle between the preserved rests of the Berlin wall:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/aktuell/wettbewerbe/ergebnisse/2003/spreeufer_arena/pix/1_preis_b800.jpg

two more pics:
http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/aktuell/wettbewerbe/ergebnisse/2003/spreeufer_arena/pix/1_preis_a800.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...preis_e800.jpg

but who is gonna use it?

Good question. The arena's American owner is "Anschutz Entertainment Group", and his main home team will be "Eisbaeren Berlin", an ice hockey team with 2005/2006 average of 4,245 fans (2004/2005 4,429). "Eisbaeren" is a former GDR (East Germany) club, with almost no fans in the western, much bigger, part of the city.

13,000 venues like SAP-Arena/Mannheim, Color Line Arena/Hamburg, or the new ISS-Arena/Duesseldorf, with ice hockey utilization of 85-90% (a DEL team plays up to 36 home games/season), should be better choices. Let's see.

http://www.internationalhockeygang.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2585

I want one like this back home :D

who is going to use the arena?

Well first youve got the Berlin Eisbaeren which is one of Berlins two Icehockey teams.
The Eisbaeren are the former eastern club and are owned by Anschutz whos company AEG is behind the whole arena project.
Then theres Alba Berlin, which is Germanys best Basketball team.
I dont think that they will permanently play there, but they could have some games there that will get a high attendance.

and then of course the arena will be used for all kinds of things like for example concerts.
Berlin is a big city and it needs an arena like this.

Not to forget about Reineckendorfer Füchse. A well ambitioned Handball Team planning to belong to the Top5 within a 5 year term.

Anschutz Entertainment Real Estate GmbH will build right next to the new Arena a "Giant Wheel". With 185m it will be Europe's tallest wheel. It will cost 75 million Euros.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5407/122076scaleuput5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ well its not 100 percent sure if either this wheel will be built or the other one in the city center.

I thought it's sure that both will be build?!??

I thought it's sure that both will be build?!??

Is it? I dont know exactly to be honest.
I thought only one can be built?

Yes it looks like Berlin will have 2 wheels. The construction of both wheels should be completed in the end of 2008.
http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2006/08/16/berlin/847920.html

Well thats some good news then.
Even though I dont think that Berlin would need two wheels.

Not to forget about Reineckendorfer Füchse. A well ambitioned Handball Team planning to belong to the Top5 within a 5 year term.Don't forget that in Germany renting such an arena costs up to 100,000 euros per event.

Next month will be construction start :banana2: :banana2:

Cant wait...

Will all the big concerts move from the arena just down the Spree in treptow?

Cant wait...

Will all the big concerts move from the arena just down the Spree in treptow?


The big concerts will be held in the O2-world in the future. :)

By the way: Construction start will be on the 13th September.
The arena will hold 17.000 specs and will be finished in the summer of 2008.
The costs are estimated to be around 150 million euros (around 200 million dollars)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=news&news_id=329

some new interior renderings:

for Icehockey:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/100.jpg

concert mode:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/101.jpg

Basketball mode:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/102.jpg


I must say thta I liked the original layout more.
I would have also prefered to have the seats in red instead of blue

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/110.jpg

some new interior renderings:

for Icehockey:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/100.jpg

concert mode:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/101.jpg

Basketball mode:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/102.jpg

the back of the arena:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/163.jpg


I must say thta I liked the original layout more.
I would have also prefered to have the seats in red instead of blue

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/anschutz_arena/110.jpg

It seems like they lowered the position of the luxury seats. This way the lower tier becomes smaller and the upper tier bigger. I guess the blue seats have something to do with O2.

It seems like they lowered the position of the luxury seats. This way the lower tier becomes smaller and the upper tier bigger. I guess the blue seats have something to do with O2.

Yes Ive noticed that aswell. They lowered the position of the VIP boxes.

Now it looks more like the MEN arena which SMG also run (very successfully).

Construction Start:

:cheers: :cheers: :dj:

Berlins mayor Klaus Wowereit participated in the event:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_13092006_02.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_13092006_01.jpg

A recent pic from the construction works:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/images/news/berlin_241006_01.jpg

the costs are now about 150 million euros

another pic from the construction works:

http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/print/_img/blz/2006-12-23.11254.orig.6_2306_seite25.jpg

update:

http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg0064xg3.jpg

http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg0061cs1.jpg

^^Thanks. Please do keep the updates coming...!

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Eisbären Berlin(Buz Hokeyi)

3x Champion:
2005, 2006, 2008

1x Cup Winner:
2008




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Alba Berlin

8x Champion:
1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001,
2002, 2003, 2008

5x Cup Winner:
1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006

1x ULEB Eurocup:
1995



I open a new thread for this arena as the old one is a bit out of date.

http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/1/5/3bc7f489e59e9306ec5351fedd664a.jpg
http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/c/1/ce13c86544651f5db2ebb93986434f.jpg
http://www.berliner-rundfunk.de/brfmedia/c/1/697d4af1150c27bc9f25ecf97f3f29.jpg

"O2 World, which can host up to approximately 17,000 spectators, will be the venue for numerous sports, music and entertainment events. It is planned to have up to 150 events per year.
O2 World will be constructed on the area of the former Ostgüterbahnhof site, between Warschauer Brücke, Rummelsburger Platz and Mühlenstrasse.
One of the most modern multi-functional arenas in all of Europe is to be built in the heart of the new urban quarter at Ostbahnhof."

General

* The opening is planned for the September of 2008
* The costs for the Arena construction project will amount to EUR 150
million
* The construction period will presumably amount to 24 months

Capacities

* Maximum capacity of up to 17,000 seats and standing room
* 59 entertainment suites
* Conference suites and party suites

LED Façade

* Semi-circle glass façade (105 degrees), width: 120 m; height: 15 m
* 1,800 m2 LED installation with 300,000 LED clusters

Concession Stands / Restaurants

* Restaurants (Premium Lounge, Dinner Club)
* 88 points of sale
* 2 stores


Official site:

www.O2-world.de

Recent pics of the construction works:

http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg0433wi1.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/913/cimg0434he8.jpg

looks bigger
what the capacity for concerts?

dunno.
Theres no info for that on the official site.
I guess it could be something between 23 and 25k

no it's not.... from what i've read it's 17,000 for concerts... and only 14-15,000 for ice hockey and basketball games.... a bit disappointing, I know, but the upper ring is not a "full" ring really (one side of the arena behind where the goal would be doesn't have seats up on the upper level - don't ask me why).... :(

no it's not.... from what i've read it's 17,000 for concerts... and only 14-15,000 for ice hockey and basketball games.... a bit disappointing, I know, but the upper ring is not a "full" ring really (one side of the arena behind where the goal would be doesn't have seats up on the upper level - don't ask me why).... :(

No, thats certainly not true.
The capacity for Icehockey/Basketball games should be 17k.
The argument about the upper tier is not correct btw.
The O2-dome in London will also have a upper tier which doesnt go round the whole way.
Ive actually argued that both arenas could have the same capacity in the end.
If you look at the construction works of the O2-Dome youll see that it looks very similar indeed to the renderings of the O2-World.
Not a big surprise as both arenas are/will be owned by AEG.

it depends on how amny rows the tiers have
maybe the london one has got more tiers?

Uninspiring.

http://www.aegworldwide.com/04_future/berlin.html


it says 16,000 and the off page say up to 17,000
so
Basketball 16,000 and concerst 17,000?

will be the skyscraper next to it built?

http://www.o2-world.de/images/pressebilder/gross/o2_World_hock_south.jpg

what ice hockey team plays there?

Eisbären Berlin (http://www.eisbaeren.de/content/index.php). They play in Germany's highest league (the DEL) and are the current champions.

it says 16,000 and the off page say up to 17,000
so
Basketball 16,000 and concerst 17,000?

I could imagine that its 16,000 for Icehockey and 17,000 for Basketball.
It could also be that the AEG site hasnt been updated recently.
Because on the O2-world site (which is newer) it says that it will host 17k.


will be the skyscraper next to it built?

As far as I know it will be built, but right now its not clear when.
The whole area around it is being redeveloped so sooner or later something will be built.

Looks nice but im dissapointed of capacity. Berlin diserve something bigger, isn't?

Eisbären Berlin (http://www.eisbaeren.de/content/index.php). They play in Germany's highest league (the DEL) and are the current champions.


Do they have a working relationship with a NHL team?

Do they have a working relationship with a NHL team?

I dont know what you mean with relationship but I think they havent got anything to do with the NHL.
Theyre just a regular DEL team. http://www.del.org/
But they are owned by Anshutz who also owns a few american sports teams.

Looks nice but im dissapointed of capacity. Berlin diserve something bigger, isn't?

Something bigger would always be good. ,)
But Im quite happy with it.
Icehockey isnt "that" popular in Germany and Basketball aswell.
So therefore its ok I guess.

More construction pics can be found here:

http://www.eisbaeren.de/bbs2/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001253;p=26

A webcam has finally been installed: :)

http://www.o2-world.de/de/arena.html

Originally Posted by Mr.Bonifacy:
Looks nice but im dissapointed of capacity. Berlin diserve something bigger, isn't?

Something bigger would always be good. ,)
But Im quite happy with it.
Icehockey isnt "that" popular in Germany and Basketball aswell.
So therefore its ok I guess.

Certainly is big enough. It will be interesting what the average attendance in hockey games will be. Right now Eisbären Berlin have 4,500 (the old Wellblechpalast has a capacity of 4,695). They should be in the top 6 though.

Top 6 teams in attendance this regular season:

1 Kölner Haie 12,711
2 Adler Mannheim 12,688
3 Hamburg Freezers 10,293
4 DEG Metro Stars 7,727
5 Hannover Scorpions 6,186
6 Frankfurt Lions 6,060

League average is 6,175.

http://www.del.org/index.php?id=249

The first of 3 Marquee signs has been installed: (Pics taken from the Eisbären Forum)
On the first pic you can see a bit of the Berlin Wall.

http://www.mgsteen.de/o2world/Bild02world.jpg
http://www.mgsteen.de/o2world/Bild036.jpg
http://www.mgsteen.de/o2world/Bild038.jpg

http://www.mgsteen.de/o2world/Bild035.jpg
http://www.mgsteen.de/o2world/o2world04042007_004.jpg

edited

edited again

time for another update: :)

http://www.baustellenblick.de/admin/reviere_bilder/62/141/1180808122_big.jpg
http://www.baustellenblick.de/admin/reviere_bilder/62/141/1180808180_big.jpg
http://www.baustellenblick.de/admin/reviere_bilder/62/141/1180808364_big.jpg

webcam:

http://panterra.tv/aysprojekt/o2world%20Cam%2001/webpics/o2world1.jpg

The new pier next to the arena:

http://www.o2world.de/data/photoalbum.php?iid=277_640
http://www.o2world.de/data/photoalbum.php?iid=280_640

looks great. I wish we could get something like that in copenhagen...

Exterior pic from September:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Berlin%2C_O2_World_under_construction.jpg/800px-Berlin%2C_O2_World_under_construction.jpg

Stadionwelt has got many informations about the arena

Capacity for Icehockey and Basketball is 15,500
17,000 is for concerts

It has got 65 suits (59 Busines, 4 event and 2 conference)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/index.php?folder=sites&site=neubau_detail&id=2

Yeah, recently I searched through google and some sources say its only gonna host 14,500 for IceHockey? wtf?
So Stadionwelt thinks its going to host 1.000 more?
Well lets see. Overall the info on capacities is pretty messed up.
I thought that the o2dome and the o2world would come up the same in the end at around 17k.
But I guess we will not know the exact cap until the first IceHockey game has been played in the o2world.

Maybe 14.500 Icehockey and 15.500 Basketball?
Actually it would be normal, because Basketball capacity is mostly higher than Icehockey capacity

Possible. I just wonder why its turning out smaller than the o2-dome?
Maybe theyve added a few more tiers there?
Judging from the pics they look pretty identical.
If its really only going to house 14,5k then it would also only be slightly bigger than the SAP arena in Mannheim which is a bit odd imo.

We have to count the rows of the 1st and 2nd tier

Some airpix:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_151007_03.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_151007_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_151007_02.jpg

A washy snapshot of the O2-World, made by DragonHRuffy:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8690/180hc6.jpg

Stadionwelt pics:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_261107_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_261107_05.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_arenen/images/news/berlin_261107_05.jpg

:cheers:

Beautiful Arena! :) :cheers:

New pics on the o2-site:

http://www.o2world.de/cms/multimedia/bilder.htm

Some other pics:

http://www.baustellenblick.de/admin/reviere_bilder/62/141/1200947961_big.jpg
http://www.baustellenblick.de/admin/reviere_bilder/62/141/1200948062_big.jpg

Could be a NBA Europe Arena in the future

with such a well designed building, u figure the large banner signs would have more then just a pole with a marque on it

It looks awesome...

Could be a NBA Europe Arena in the future

NBA Europe? Whats that all about?


Btw: Heres a picture of the Icehockey team Eisbären Berlin from last year.

http://www.ramada-eishockey.de/grafiken/teamfoto_eisbaeren.jpg

NBA (David Stern) plans to integrate some european cities to the NBA (so not the same like NFl Europe)

I have heard of Madrid, Cologne, Berlin, Athens and London.
To be also a NBA Europe city Istanbul wants to built a new 16.000 yeater "NBA Arena".

NBA (David Stern) plans to integrate some european cities to the NBA (so not the same like NFl Europe)

I have heard of Madrid, Cologne, Berlin, Athens and London.
To be also a NBA Europe city Istanbul wants to built a new 16.000 yeater "NBA Arena".

So they would set up teams in those cities?
Afterall the normal teams arent really up to NBA standards

Aim is it :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2614550
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ks-europe101507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-10/09/content_270294.htm

NBA (David Stern) plans to integrate some european cities to the NBA (so not the same like NFl Europe)

I have heard of Madrid, Cologne, Berlin, Athens and London.
To be also a NBA Europe city Istanbul wants to built a new 16.000 yeater "NBA Arena".

This is crap in my opinion. :dunno:
We don't want European basketball to become like American.
Some European teams are much better than NBA top teams

Thats the reason to "join" :D
To see who is the real "World Champion"
But i quite like it.
Madird Matadors
Istanbul Sultans
Berlin Capitals
etc :D

NBA Europe HAS to have Lithuanian cities involved.

Basketball is the national past-time there.

Berlin 'Bombers'. home court of the 'Hangar'.
Istanbul 'Byzantines', the home court called the 'Harem'.

NBA (David Stern) plans to integrate some european cities to the NBA (so not the same like NFl Europe)

I have heard of Madrid, Cologne, Berlin, Athens and London.
To be also a NBA Europe city Istanbul wants to built a new 16.000 yeater "NBA Arena".

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

This is crap in my opinion. :dunno:
We don't want European basketball to become like American.
Some European teams are much better than NBA top teams

hahaha, then why do European Players Blitz to America to play in the NBA?

Ja liebe ich Dirk Nowitzki, er bin mein Held!

This is crap in my opinion. :dunno:
We don't want European basketball to become like American.
Some European teams are much better than NBA top teams

mmmm.... no...

I'll give you that the gap in skill has closed considerably since the '92 olympics, and we did get our asses handed to us in Athens (mostly due to the fact that the team had only been playing together for a month), but in a showdown between two teams that have been playing with eachother and practicing the whole year, I'm guessing the NBA team would be favored

Actually i quite like the idea.
Istanbul Sultans will kick your ass Dallas Mavs :D

The 'Euro' shits all over the US$ so money won't be that large a problem, providing you can sell 12,000+ seats a match for 40 odd home games a season.

Yes, but im willing to bet that if you put together your Euro Team most of the team would be NBA European players.... Well, I know at least 2 Euro Players that would be on it for sure.

Interesting when you watch NBA, the umps seem to be blind to a lot of flagrant breaches of the rules. Like travelling.

NBA reminds me of wrestling, more entertainment than substance. But since it is in the entertainment business you cannot blame them for letting it all go.

the game would be slow if the Umps blew there whistle at every call. There isnt as much traveling as you think. If you watch enough of the game you will see that. you will also see Team USA walk away with Gold in the Olympics this summer.

The 'Euro' shits all over the US$ so money won't be that large a problem,

How?

The 'Euro' shits all over the US$ so money won't be that large a problem, providing you can sell 12,000+ seats a match for 40 odd home games a season.

that didn't make allot of since.

^^^^^^^^^^^

'Purchasing' power. Which means you can buy better players and to be able to afford a $$$ organization.

If Europe had a lousy currency, like an African state for example. Would we even be talking about the possibility of a league setting up shop? Of course not.

I work for an international petroleum business and we just changed from using USD$ as the trading currency to the euro because it is more stable and stronger.

People prefer to trade with the stronger currency simply put. Would you like to be paid in USD or euros on a one-2-one basis? You would earn another 10 to 20 per cent.

^^ I agree, €uro should definitely be default currency in the world

Some new pics can be found here:

http://picasaweb.google.de/newhome.berlin

Am Rande des Spiels bestätigte AEG-Sprecher Moritz Hillebrand, dass die Anschutz Entertainment Group in Verhandlungen steht, um im Herbst zur Eröffnung der O2-World ein Spiel der nordamerikanischen Profiliga NHL nach Berlin zu holen. Der Eisbären-Besitzer baut am Ostbahnhof die neue Halle, in der das Team dann spielt. (BLZ)

http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/print/sport/728999.html

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^^

Beautiful :) :cheers:

^^

Beautiful :) :cheers:

naša će bit lipša

Looks brilliant from the outside!

Ok.. this is a basketball arena. I couldn't find information in the Berlin Construction thread so ;)

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Nooooooooooo!!!!!! :(

I'm leaving just one week before completion! I'd love to go there for a hockey match or so! :)

I was worried that they would install those Allianz-Arena seats. Thank god they didnt.

Why don't you like those Allianz Seats?

BTW, great arena

I generally like them but they would look weird in an arena like this imo.

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I thing the the 2009 Euroleague Final-4 will take place there. Nice facility btw.

Will Berlin "Alba" play their Euroleague matches here?

Yes, ALBA has just announced that theyll move to the o2 world

http://www.albaberlin.de/magazin/artikel.php?artikel=11032&type=2&menuid=57&topmenu=2

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It's hard not to like this one , another cool modern architecture addition for Berline , one of my favorite Cities

Yes, ALBA has just announced that theyll move to the o2 world

http://www.albaberlin.de/magazin/artikel.php?artikel=11032&type=2&menuid=57&topmenu=2
What will happen to Max Schmeling Arena?

ALBA will continue to hold its training sessions in the Max-Schmeling-Halle and theres the Handball club which plays there.
Overall though theyll have more of a difficult time to keep the venue full on a regular basis from now on I guess.

It looks nice. And think there was no need to make it bigger. What for?

15k is for europe big :)

wonderful arena... So, Fenerbahçe's arena will look like this I guess. They will be the same size.

Very beautiful:)

In france, we are very late in big arèna "a mon grand désespoir" :ohno:

is the biggest indoor sport hall of France the one in Paris like pyramid with green roof?

Could be a NBA Europe Arena in the future

Fcuk that!!! We dont want no NBA in Europe. Stern is destroying basketball is order to make it more watchable - profitable. NBA is all about buisiness, were fat spectators have an opportunity to became even fatter. No spirit, dedication or fan culture whatsoever... I'm glad that Euroleague took another direction and is starting to compete with the americans.

Good luck NBA establishing a team in London... We euros will have a good laugh watching this, mhm 'process' :lol:


hahaha, then why do European Players Blitz to America to play in the NBA?

Money. Which, gladly is becaming less of an advantage of NBA, day by day. Like the most recent: Panathinaikos Athens is offering Argentine Luis Scola (playing for Rockets atm) €24 mln for 3 seasons, which is an equivalent of $38.2 million + taxes (euro clubs pay taxes for players)

NBA Europe HAS to have Lithuanian cities involved.

They are not welcomed here. Aside that, even if anyone would be interested - we're not eligible, as we're too small, would sell to few t-shirts and bla bla bla... generaly speaking we would be not profitable enough for them.


BTW, congratulations Berlinians on new arena. Alba Berlin, as i heard signed a deal and will be playing in it for many years to come. This also makes them a possiblle contender for ULEB license-A - a possibillity to play in Euroleague almost indefinetly. Also a Euroleague Final4 next year, should be a great showdown.

new pictures on the site:

http://www.o2world.de/cms/multimedia/bilder.htm

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This is crap in my opinion. :dunno:
We don't want European basketball to become like American.
Some European teams are much better than NBA top teams
One word:

Scoreboard.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.blackvoices.com/blogs/media/2008/08/usamens.jpg

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This appears to be one of those arenas in which the seating bowl is oriented around the basketball court, which means that the hockey rink id "offset" to one end of the arena, resulting in most seats on that end of the arena being closed off. Several NBA arenas (Minnesota, Phoenix, Indiana, Miami, Memphis, Charlotte, etc.) have this feature, often forcing the NHL team in some of those cities to seek their own arena.

Not sure, the arena isnt finished yet, but it does look somewhat like it. To my knowledge the arena itself hasnt been purposely laid out for Basketball though, the local Basketball team only recently decided to host its home games there.

Nice photos

The arena opens tomorrow.
A few random shots:

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"splendide":cheers:

I like the Terrace behind the end, should really add to the atmosphere.

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Curious curious... :crazy:

Fcuk that!!! We dont want no NBA in Europe. Stern is destroying basketball is order to make it more watchable - profitable. NBA is all about buisiness, were fat spectators have an opportunity to became even fatter. No spirit, dedication or fan culture whatsoever... I'm glad that Euroleague took another direction and is starting to compete with the americans.

Good luck NBA establishing a team in London... We euros will have a good laugh watching this, mhm 'process' :lol:

Money. Which, gladly is becaming less of an advantage of NBA, day by day. Like the most recent: Panathinaikos Athens is offering Argentine Luis Scola (playing for Rockets atm) €24 mln for 3 seasons, which is an equivalent of $38.2 million + taxes (euro clubs pay taxes for players)

HAHAHA!!!!!
Go to an NBA game some time, look at the fan dedication there, it rivals your soccer fans.

Dont forget that AMERICA invented basketball, your best players want to play here and we just won GOLD!

Also, the Euro teams will never be able to compete with the NBA. The Worlds best players want to play the worlds best players, which is why they are in the NBA. Kobe says he might play in Italy, but look at the to happen at the end of his career

O, and beautiful Arena Berlin

One word:

Scoreboard.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.blackvoices.com/blogs/media/2008/08/usamens.jpg

Truth!

Curious curious... :crazy:

Terraces for the fans of the "Eisbären" (the Icehockey club)

wonderful

how many +10k indoor halls and arenas are there in Germany?

how many +10k indoor halls and arenas are there in Germany?

Good question.
It depends on which type of sport we are talking about since the cap differs between them.
I guess it would look something like this now:

Lanxess Arena, Cologne 18.500 (19.250 Handball)
O2-World, Berlin 15.500 (Basketball)
SAP Arena, Mannheim 14.500 (Icehockey)
AWD-Dome, Bremen 14.000 (14.500 Handball)
ISS Dome, Düsseldorf 13.400 (Icehockey)
Color Line Arena, Hamburg 13.000 (Handball)
TUI Arena, Hannover 10.767 (Icehockey)
König-Pilsener-ARENA, Essen 10.300 (Handball)
Sparkassen-Arena, Kiel 10.250 (Handball)

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Interior:

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Tahnk you for your answer. How many of those arenas are suitable for basketball?

Good question.
It depends on which type of sport we are talking about since the cap differs between them.
I guess it would look something like this now:

Lanxess Arena, Cologne 18.500 (19.250 Handball)
O2-World, Berlin 15.500 (Basketball)
SAP Arena, Mannheim 14.500 (Icehockey)
AWD-Dome, Bremen 14.000 (14.500 Handball)
ISS Dome, Düsseldorf 13.400 (Icehockey)
Color Line Arena, Hamburg 13.000 (Handball)
TUI Arena, Hannover 10.767 (Icehockey)
König-Pilsener-ARENA, Essen 10.300 (Handball)
Sparkassen-Arena, Kiel 10.250 (Handball)

suite seats look anormal big

Tahnk you for your answer. How many of those arenas are suitable for basketball?

Technically speaking they are all suitable for Basketball.
However only the O2-World has a Basketball club as a regular tenant (ALBA Berlin).
The Lanxess Arena and the AWD-Dome do stage games from time to time though as far as I know.

The opening ceremony was really awesome! :applause:

Ouaouwh beautiful, the best arèna in europe !!

I'm lovin' it!

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Awesom-o!

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Metallica! :righton:
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wonderful stadium :cheers:

I agree

:applause: looks awesome!

super :okay:

Germany must be ready to host 2010 World Basketball Championship.

That's one good looking arena. At least it's right next to The U-bahn and S-bahn (Warschauer Strasse). Does it have much car parking on the site, I'm hoping not because that area could look really attractive with the canal nearby.

That's one good looking arena. At least it's right next to The U-bahn and S-bahn (Warschauer Strasse). Does it have much car parking on the site, I'm hoping not because that area could look really attractive with the canal nearby.

Heres an aerial. The area around the arena might be developed at some point though.

http://www.berlinonline.de/.img/foto/o2-world/orig_o2-world-001.jpg

^^ I hope so. A sea of parking simply doesn't suit a European city centre.

The first game of Alba in the arena:

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Impressive

Right now IMO is best arena in Europe.

Wow, thats such a nice looking Arena! Perfect for Berlin! :cheers:

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A few years ago no-one would have borne the expenses to write a name on a flat roof. Google-Earth changed that. Now it seems to be a precious ad space.

such a perfect arena. Way the go Berliners :applause:

The best arena in Europe for sure. But the only thing I don't like is americanised parking space. I would definitely more liked if there were garages.

The best arena in Europe for sure. But the only thing I don't like is americanised parking space. I would definitely more liked if there were garages.
Umm...you know that parking garages are often used at sporting venues here, right? Especially those located downtown.

But you also more often use XXL parkings around your stadiums which is not the case in Europe :)

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A few years ago no-one would have borne the expenses to write a name on a flat roof. Google-Earth changed that. Now it seems to be a precious ad space.

I think the People flying over in Airliners and looking down on large roof spaces changed that. Many US Stadiums and Arenas have been dong it for quite some time now.

Beautiful arena by the way

But you also more often use XXL parkings around your stadiums which is not the case in Europe :)
It mostly depends on the location in which the stadium or arena is built. Those that are built within the urban core tend to utilize more parking garages and existing lots within the general vicinity of the venue, and are often served quite handily by public transit (think of Boston's TD Banknorth Garden or Minneapolis' Target Field), while those built in lower-density or suburban areas of the city tend to be surrounded by the large surface lots you're talking about (such as the Truman Sports Complex in Kansas City or Angel Stadium in Anaheim).

I think you can see it from the Fernsehturm as well, which has loooong lines and many visitors hehe. :D

I'm so glad Berlin got this new arena, this city totally deserves it, especially the area it was built. I wish I could still be there...

But you also more often use XXL parkings around your stadiums which is not the case in Europe :)

because we build our big stadiums where? Out in the open.

because we build our big stadiums where? Out in the open.

But those massive parking spaces are wasteful. It would be better to build a stadium where it can be reached by mass transit ( and yes, it would still be out in the open). A stadium doesn't need to be in the middle of nowhere to make it nicer.

The best arena in Europe for sure. But the only thing I don't like is americanised parking space. I would definitely more liked if there were garages.

But there are passenger rail lines right next to the stadium, which is rare in America.

But those massive parking spaces are wasteful. It would be better to build a stadium where it can be reached by mass transit ( and yes, it would still be out in the open). A stadium doesn't need to be in the middle of nowhere to make it nicer.

But where would we tailgate? :dunno:

But there are passenger rail lines right next to the stadium, which is rare in America.

It's not nearly as rare as you think, trust me.

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Two questions:
1.How big is standing room at the O2 World?

2.Does standing room is legal during the Euroleague matches?

1.How big is standing room at the O2 World?


2,000, expandable to 3,000

nice arena

i cant believe , kockey is so popular in Germany, more popular than basketball... it is really strange!

i cant believe , kockey is so popular in Germany, more popular than basketball... it is really strange!

why would it be strange?

i cant believe, hockey is so popular in Germany, more popular than basketball... it is really strange!

I think that handball is much more popular in Germany than ice hockey.

I think that handball is much more popular in Germany than ice hockey.

Just check out this graphic:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/download/stadionwelt_top100_februar.pdf

From the current Top 100 in terms of spectators, 16 are from ice hockey, while only 12 are from handball (and 11 from basketball, the rest is from football).

But when we go into the depth, you might be right. I think, in total, there are more handballers than ice hockey players/spectators in Germany.

I think that handball is much more popular in Germany than ice hockey.

No way... DEL has far better attendance and support than Handball Bundesliga.

Hockey is probably more popular in Berlin due to all the eastern Europeans living there. They'll join the KHL sooner or later.

Eisbaren are giants from former DDR and immigrants have nothing to do with it. Club was always extremely well supported.

Yes. Eisbären Berlin has got "just" 4 championchip titels, but all after 2005
(2005, 2006, 2008, 2009). So something like a dynasty.

And as SpicyMcHaggis
Eisbären Berlin were the 2nd most succcesfull club of the east german league with 15 titels.


BTW at some matches the 2nd tier is closed
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Just like Elliniko arena, where this is permanent. They do this so they won't need to clean and maintain it.

Hockey is probably more popular in Berlin due to all the eastern Europeans living there. They'll join the KHL sooner or later.

I don't think you've ever been to an Eisbären game...or even to Berlin

As for the KHL: I'm pretty sure the fans would be delighted by the prospect of playing against Jekaterinburg, Novosibirsk and Khabarovsk instead of Mannheim, Hamburg and Hannover. I hear the KHL looks to add a team from Sachalin. travelling Berlin fans could combine that with a weekend shopping-trip to Tokyo!!

It's more a sort of North-South thing.
Ice-hockey is very popular in the South (especially Bavaria, where lots of the traditional clubs come from smaller towns (Füssen, Landshut, Riessersee, etc.)) and some larger cities (Cologne, Dusseldorf, Berlin). Handball instead tends to be more popular in the North where most of the Bundesliga clubs come from.

It's more a sort of North-South thing.
Ice-hockey is very popular in the South (especially Bavaria, where lots of the traditional clubs come from smaller towns (Füssen, Landshut, Riessersee, etc.)) and some larger cities (Cologne, Dusseldorf, Berlin). Handball instead tends to be more popular in the North where most of the Bundesliga clubs come from.

You're absolutely right. You just need to take a look at the current top 3 in the Handball-Bundesliga: Kiel, Hamburg and Flensburg. You can't get much further north than that. And as I live in Schleswig-Holstein, I know that there are a lot of handball teams here.

Btw, can O2 World be expanded in case of much bigger attendances needed?

I think there's still plenty of space inside the arena....

It is crazy, I went to a football match at Olympiastadion in Berlin and they got one of the Eisbaren out and did a little interview!! Crazy..

Btw, can O2 World be expanded in case of much bigger attendances needed?

I think there's still plenty of space inside the arena....



I doubt it! ... it does actually hold more seats for basketball games (close to 17,500 I think), but as it's a multi-function arena they'd lose the ability to host concerts and conferences if they decided to permanently put more seats in place where the stage is.

ALBA - Mavs: 14,504 spectators

So, The capacity of arena is 14,500 or 14,800?

I think 14,800 for Basketball

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