Automotive Industry [Archive]

ergit222

August 6th, 2006, 01:09 AM

By LIBERTY A. PINILI
Sun.Star Staff Reporter

FANCY a car that does not use fuel, costs less to maintain and avoids road mishaps?

Then help lobby for government to approve the development of a magnetic levitation (maglev) vehicle and supporting ground infrastructure that Filipino inventor Jose Guardo Jr. calls “the solution to the imminent global oil crisis.”

He said that if President Arroyo issues an executive order decreeing further research and development of magnetic levitation, the country would be the first in Southeast Asia to have the technology.

By selling the techno-logy and the facility to other countries, the Philippine economy will become stable, he said.

SRP showpiece

Guardo proposed that the Cebu City Government support the development of the concept by allowing a portion of the South Reclamation Project (SRP) to be used as the site of a maglev testline, which will include a magnetic track where the maglev car will run.

He added that the maglev testline can be used for tourism.

He said many people go to China just to ride the maglev train.

Although the initial cost of building a space car and magnetic track would be enormous, he said the long-term benefits would be bigger.

“Imagine how much we can save if we reduce fuel consumption because many would be using maglev cars,” he said. “We will not only halt the impending global oil crisis but also make the country independent from oil companies.”

He said vast iron deposits in the country can be used for the technology, instead of being exported abroad.

“With maglev, we might even be able to pay our huge foreign debt and bring all Filipino intellectuals who are working overseas back to the country,” he said.

Patented

Guardo received an international patent for his “space car,” which uses magnetic levitation technology to move in different directions above an electromagnetic guideway.

He said the space car, like existing maglev trains, would not use fuel and would be environmentally sound because it will not emit gases that pollute the air.

It would cost less to maintain because when it moves there is no friction, as it does not touch the ground.

Friction, Guardo said, is often the cause of damage to a vehicle. His invention will also avoid colliding with other cars and objects because it is equipped with artificial intelligence (via a programmed computer) and sensors.

The magnetic levitation technology in transportation was developed in 1934 by German scientist Hermann Kemper, who received a patent for a maglev train design.

The first maglev train service was developed and used in 1980s Britain, at the Birmingham airport.
Japan and the United States are also testing maglev trains.

Maglev vehicles float in space and move following the principle of magnetic forces.

Based on the magnetic force principle, while two objects with opposing charges (negative and positive) attract, similarly charged matter are repelled. The maglev vehicle and the guideway (similar to roads) are similarly charged, which is why the car floats in space.

Maglev trains in existence are pushed forward through magnetic propulsion but are unable to move backward.

Accident-proof

Guardo’s space car, on the other hand, would be able to move in different directions on a magnetic road because it will have electromagnetic wheels that are powered by an electric motor.

The electric motor, he said, would run on solar batteries.

The rotating wheels in the belly of the space car are also designed to keep the vehicle stable above the magnetic field, he said.

According to the Earnshaw theorem, it is not possible to levitate, using a static magnetic force. This means, when two similarly charged magnetic objects are brought together, the other object tends to flip over until both become attractive.

Thus, maglev vehicles are unstable if there is no other force to keep them steady.

The maglev passenger train, built by the German firm Transrapid International, is used in Shanghai, China. The train has superconductors that keep the vehicle stable.

Guardo said, though, that the refrigeration system that cools the superconductors is very expensive.

He opted to use gyroscopic motion, which he observed from a toy, the Levitron magnetic top.
The top rotates in space above a stable magnetic disc.

Guardo assured that the maglev car is safer than any mode of transportation. The magnetic field emitted by the whole system is less than that generated by an ordinary household appliance, like a hair dryer.

Guardo said the electromagnetic wheels in the belly of the car provide the gyroscopic motion that keeps the vehicle stable.

As a boy, Guardo was fascinated with magnets and what they can do.

After watching the Star Wars trilogy, where he saw cars floating in space, he started to dream about developing a vehicle that would actually move without touching the ground.

“This is the fruit of 15 years of research,” he said. “But my invention is not just for me but for all Filipinos.”

Espma

August 6th, 2006, 04:16 AM

^^This is what ProblemSolver was talking about on MagLev (technology) thread...

Is the Philippines really at the forefront of such technology?!!
repost this in the MagLev Thread!!

IsaRic

August 6th, 2006, 04:24 AM

Espma

August 6th, 2006, 04:28 AM

check out this website if you havent

http://www.spacecarcorp.com/

I really hope the government is acting on this...*sigh*

Espma

August 6th, 2006, 05:16 AM

Act like a corporation,’ Pinoy inventor to gov’t

A Filipino, who until recently was based in Cebu, had been granted a patent in the United States for his magnetic levitation car invention.

Jose Guardo Jr., of Maglev Vision Corp. Space Car Technologies in Shanghai, China, was granted a US patent for the invention last June 13.

Guardo said his US patent (number 7,059,252) gives him exclusive rights over all the components of his invention, including the spin stabilized magnetic levitation of permanent magnets, and magnetic-electromagnetic rotary propulsion system of a magnetically levitated vehicle.

“This is an important breakthrough in automotive industry because it is a technological demarcation point in technological or transportation history (that involves not wheels) but non-contact magnetic propulsion using the proprietary technology of Maglev Vision Corp.,” Guardo said, in reply to Sun.Star Cebu’s email. “I can say we have reinvented the wheel.”

Guardo’s invention involves a car without wheels that is able to move on a magnetic track, which provides an opposing force (repulsion) to the magnets attached to the vehicle, causing the levitation. The horizontal movement of the car is done by rotating the magnets at the bottom of the vehicle.

Guardo said his invention does away with rubber wheels, does not require electricity, lessens dependence on oil and fuel, and reduces pollution.

Cheaper

“The wear and tear of the road and the mechanical parts will be minimal. That means this system, in an overall perspective, is cheaper than internal combustion technologies,” he said.

He revealed that he also has pending patent applications for related inventions, such as the magnetic levitation transportation system, toy vehicle, hybrid car and elevator technologies.

Guardo said the principal owner of the US patent is the Maglev Vision Corp., a company created when his firm, Space Car Technologies, partnered with UBC Bearing Co. of America.

UBC Bearing chief executive officer Domingo Penaloza funded Guardo’s work on the magnetic levitation technology.

“I was almost a financial disaster because I spent so much to pursue this dream,” he wrote.

He said his invention is less costly than the technologies used by Japanese and German companies in building magnetic levitation (maglev) trains.

Guardo said he patterned his invention after the maglev (spinning) top of American inventor Roy Harrigan.

While his invention may be a good solution to the rising cost of oil, Guardo said the use of the technology in the Philippines will depend on the government’s priorities.

“It depends on where they will want to focus; they spend billions of pesos on internal security and counter-insurgency, on graft and corruption but our legislators and administration leaders do not have a proactive (stance) on research and development that will promote Filipino ingenuity, inventions and innovation,” he said.

He pointed out that countries like the US, Japan, Germany and China are successful because their governments allot billions of dollars on research and development.

Globalization

“It is not through internal counter-insurgency wars that we will be successful, but (in the ability to address) global economic threats brought about by globa-lization. The government should think and work as a corporation,” he said. “If we are contented with just collecting taxes, squeezing the pockets of the masses, we will have civil war.”

Guardo said he had approached the Technology Application and Promotion Institute (Tapi), an agency under the Department of Science and Technology. But he said Tapi only has an annual budget of about P3 million, which will have to be divided among thousands of Filipino inventors.

He said any monetary assistance from the agency also needs to be repaid in time.

He proposed that the government set up instead a non-monetary assistance to inventors.

Guardo said his team—composed of Cebuano engineers Samuel Cahilig, Michael Enriquez, Rommel Lazala and David Lee—will complete a prototype of the maglev car this month. (LAP)

Source: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2006/07/12/bus/.act.like.a.corporation.pinoy.inventor.to.gov.t.html (July 12 2006; SunStar Cebu)

ergit222

August 7th, 2006, 02:09 AM

Hey, isnt it a filipino who pioneerd the very first hydro powered car?

...and also, the Jeep is cool and should be kept. Only they should make a hybrid version ehehehehe :scouserd: Dispose the diesel ones
You must be referring to Mr. Daniel Dingel :) Watch his video (http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/Pages/Community/Projects/h2oh29MB.mov) here.

Rajah_Soliman

November 11th, 2006, 03:00 AM

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/rajah_soliman/9999%20DAVAO%20PIX/2005_05_11_bikepics-351442-full.jpg

NOVO ECIJANO

December 13th, 2006, 08:51 AM

a group of filipino car parts manufacturers is going ahead to build a prototype
of a utility vehicle to be finished on the first quarter of 2007.

Espma

December 13th, 2006, 10:12 AM

OMG the suspense!!

Details please!!

Espma

December 13th, 2006, 10:39 AM

oh got it

PHILIPPINE AUTO PARTS MAKERS PUSH LOCALLY ASSEMBLED CARS

Wednesday November 29, 2006, 7:43 pm

MANILA, Nov 29 Asia Pulse - Local auto parts makers are urging buyers to patronize "Pinoy" cars, vehicles that are locally assembled out of completely knocked down (CKD) kits, because these vehicles have higher local value-added in terms of local parts and labor as compared to completely-built units (CBU) that do not have any local value-added.

"Given some leeway as to the choice of vehicle to purchase, we hope Filipino buyers would opt for a 'Pinoy' car. This would help the local parts makers and some 28,000 workers dependent on them who are currently reeling from the effects of decreasing volume of CKD vehicles in a market that is hardly growing," said Eddie Jose, president of the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP).

Recently, MVPMAP has been pushing for the development of a Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV) Program which grants various incentives not only to the assemblers but also to the buyers and local parts makers participants.

It is also expected to help the local auto industry break the 100,000-unit annual sales barrier in 2007, something not expected to be accomplished this year.

The PhUV is an AUV-based vehicle MVPMAP has been pushing for as a part 2 version of the defunct People's Car Program. It is a brand-new AUV built from completely knocked down (CKD) kits at the price of a used car but with a high level of value-added local parts.

Target market would be the market segment of used vehicles to be left unserved with the recent Supreme Court decision banning the import of used vehicles.

Thus, MVPMAP is targeting an RSP of about P350,000 (US$7,000) per unit and an initial sales volume of 30,000 units for the first year.

MVPMAP has identified the following vehicles as "Pinoy" cars as they are assembled from CKD kits and with higher local value-added local parts aside from labor: Ford: Lynx, Focus and Escape; Honda: City, Civic, Accord and CRV AT/MT; Isuzu: Crosswind, DMax, Fuego and Trooper; Kia: KC2700; Mazda (by Ford); Mazda 3, Mazda 6 and Tribute; Mitsubishi: L300 FB/Versa Van/Chassis Cab, Adventure and Pajero (4x2/4x4); Nissan: Sentra (1.3L/1.6L), Cefiro and X-Trail Nissan; UMC: Frontier, Urvan and Patrol and; Toyota: Vios , Corolla, Camry and Innova.

Local auto parts makers are optimistic that a "Buy Pilipino Movement" is revived soon and a sense of nationalism is brought back into the Pinoy's buying habits.

They are expecting the PhUV to spark this revival in the local auto industry.

(PNA)

flymordecai

December 13th, 2006, 10:45 AM

That's weird. With the rise of Hyundai as one of the top automakers, I was thinking what if the Philippines had an auto company that starts small here in the country and expands into internationally much like Hyundai? I hope this is a "decent" quality car. If it's even half decent, it will pave the way for even better cars in the future. Quality will definitely get the people into a "Buy Pilipino Movement".

Rajah_Soliman

December 13th, 2006, 10:57 AM

NOVO ECIJANO

December 13th, 2006, 03:06 PM

check all the philippines newspapers website business section, dec 13 its there,im excited because its all filipino,the design and technology.

tigidig14

December 13th, 2006, 06:05 PM

nice

Rajah_Soliman

December 13th, 2006, 10:48 PM

check all the philippines newspapers website business section, dec 13 its there,im excited because its all filipino,the design and technology.

i can't access that site... can you cut and paste the article here :yes:

bagel

December 13th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Auto parts firms to build Philippine car

First posted 03:50:26 (Mla time) December 13, 2006
Ronnel Domingo
Inquirer

ABOUT 130 auto parts makers announced Tuesday they were building a prototype of a Philippine Utility Vehicle, aimed at reviving a People’s Car program.

They expect to complete the prototype by the first quarter next year, said Eddie Jose, president of the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines.

Jose said the association’s board had approved the product concept and preliminary designs of the multi-purpose PhUV.

“It is going to be a diesel-powered AUV [Asian utility vehicle] designed to carry both passengers and cargo,” he said. “It is thus ideal for business use on weekdays and family use on weekends.”

The association has been pushing for “a brand-new AUV" built from completely knocked down (CKD) kits "at the price of a used car but with a high level of value-added local parts,” Jose said.

The PhUV may be priced at about P350,000 a unit and could sell 30,000 units in the first year, he said.

The collaboration among parts makers is "an unprecedented show of unity and support, and we want to prove that big volume of value-added parts can be produced locally and that an AUV can be manufactured at the target price,” Jose said.

He added that association members were contributing whatever parts they produce to complete the prototype unit, which would mean the result would have high level of local value-added content.

This is their way of "showing concern for the industry that is threatened by a declining volume of vehicles produced from CKD kits,” he said. With INQ7.net

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http://archive.inquirer.net/view.php?db=1&story_id=37961

bagel

December 13th, 2006, 10:55 PM

The Philippine STAR

Business

Auto parts manufacturers to build Pinoy utility vehicle
By Marianne V. Go
Publication Date: [Wednesday, December 13, 2006]

The 130 members of the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) are going ahead and building a prototype of the Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV).

The MVPMAP expects to complete the PhUV prototype by the first quarter of 2007.

The PhUV is an Asian utility vehicle (AUV) type which the MVPMAP has been lobbying for to replace the abandoned people’s car program of the government.

The PhUV would be a totally new AUV built from completely knocked down (CKD) kits at the price of a used car, but with a high level of value-added local parts.

The target market of the PhUV would be buyers of used vehicles or those who cannot afford to buy brand new vehicles.

The tentative price for a PhUV unit is P350,000. The MVPMAP hopes to sell around 30,000 units during the first year.

The MVPMAP board has approved the product concept and the preliminary designs of the PhUV. The prototype PhUV will have a diesel engine. It is intended for commercial use as a passenger vehicle or for cargoes.

The PhUV would be ideal for business use on weekdays and for family use on weekends.

In a bid to prove that a lot of value-added parts can be produced locally and that an AUV can be manufactured at the target price, MVPMAP members will contribute whatever local parts they produce to complete the prototype unit. This will result in a high level of value-added local content for the PhUV.

"I am very elated with the response and enthusiasm that the members have shown. I guess this is their way of showing their concern for the local parts industry that is threatened by a declining volume of vehicles produced from CKD kits in an auto industry with sales that have not grown for the last few years", said MVPMAP president Eddie Jose.

Only vehicles produced from CKD packs have value-added local parts in them.

Those built from completely-built units (CBU) have no local parts at all.

MVPMAP is, therefore, looking for ways by which to help spur the sales of vehicles produced out of CKD kits so as to aid the over 28,000 workers dependent on them.

The MVPMAP expects to help the local auto industry break the 100,000-unit annual sales barrier in 2007, something not expected to be accomplished this year.

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/show_content.asp?article=291888

bagel

December 13th, 2006, 10:57 PM

From Manila Bulletin:

Parts makers band together to build PhUV prototype

By BERNIE CAHILES–MAGKILAT

The 130-strong members of the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) have banded together to build a prototype of the Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV), completion of which is expected by the first quarter of 2007.

In a statement, MVPMAP president Eddie Jose said that only locally produced auto parts would be used to assemble the PhUV.

"Members are currently contributing whatever local parts that they produce to complete the prototype unit. This is expected to result in a high level of value-added local content of the PhUV," Jose said.

Jose reported the enthusiasm the members have shown.

"This is our way of showing concern for the local parts industry that is threatened by a declining volume of vehicles produced from CKD kits in an auto industry with sales that have not grown for the last few years," Jose added.

The MVPMAP Board has already approved the product concept and the preliminary designs of the PhUV.

It is going to be a diesel-powered AUV designed to carry both passengers and cargoes. It is thus ideal for business use on weekdays and for family use on weekends.

Only vehicles produced from CKD packs have value-added local parts in them.

Those built from completely-built units (CBU) have no local parts at all. MVPMAP is therefore looking for ways by which to help spur the sales of vehicles produced out of CKD kits so as to aid the over 28,000 workers dependent on them. It is also expected to help the local auto industry break the 100,000-unit annual sales barrier in 2007, something not expected to be accomplished this year.

PhUV is an AUV-based vehicle MVPMAP has been pushing for as a part 2 version of the defunct People’s Car Program. It is a brandnew AUV built from completely knocked down (CKD) kits at the price of a used car but with a high level of value-added local parts.

Target market would be the market segment of used vehicles to be left unserved with the recent Supreme Court decision banning the importation of used vehicles. Thus, MVPMAP is targeting an RSP of about P350,000 per unit and an initial sales volume of 30,000 units for the first year.

Rajah_Soliman

December 13th, 2006, 11:36 PM

^^ thanks a lot :)

Rajah_Soliman

December 13th, 2006, 11:37 PM

cant wait
sana ipangalan nila after me

ano, parang TIGS XL :lol:

tigidig14

December 13th, 2006, 11:37 PM

cant wait
sana ipangalan nila after me

flymordecai

December 14th, 2006, 01:02 AM

It will most likely not be much of a looker, even ugly, but it's still good news. With later revisions they can improve on the design and build. Hope the Filipino auto industry booms! And what if these PHUV's replace the Jeepney's?

ikra

December 14th, 2006, 02:32 AM

buses should replace jeepneys. period. lol

nayki

December 14th, 2006, 06:28 AM

^^I agree, what should they do is to provide brand new engines for jeepneys instead of using surplus diesel engines imported from Japan. Engines which are more efficient and environment friendly. Also I think jeepneys and buses must be in "Automatic Transmission" para hindi basta2 makaharurut ang mga walang displinang drivers. Our government must provide a standard in jeepney assembly.

Dvorak

December 14th, 2006, 06:45 AM

pictures?

futbolista

December 14th, 2006, 07:20 AM

nah. i don't agree with jeepneys or tamaraws as vehicles for mass transportation. they seat far too few people in congested streets. i hope this new pinoy car would just cater to entrepeneurs or farmers cutting out the transport middle men. if we're gonna add cars to the streets, we might as well make them productive.

any info on who's supplying the engine? i think it's a Mitsubishi inside of Malaysia's Proton cars.

NOVO ECIJANO

December 14th, 2006, 07:53 AM

the good news is that its all filipino not from toyota,mitsubishi,next passenger car....watch out proton malaysia....

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 08:03 AM

ano kaya magiging pangalan? sana pinoy ung name... like "mabuhay!" or something... hehehe... cant think of any name... :) :) :cheers:

futbolista

December 14th, 2006, 08:42 AM

the good news is that its all filipino not from toyota,mitsubishi,next passenger car....watch out proton malaysia....

including the engine?

it's a good start but the malaysians have quite a motoring pedigree. they have invested in really good roads and they have their rubber industry (the tires have to go somewhere) to sustain. at the very least, it's nice to see some level of solidarity in our manufacturing sector.

ano kaya magiging pangalan? sana pinoy ung name... like "mabuhay!" or something... hehehe... cant think of any name... :) :) :cheers:

let the suggestions begin? we can take volkswagen approach by hybrid-ing "kotse" and "tao"... then make it sound more global... cocceco (kotse ko... gettit? no? i don't blame you. corny, e.)

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 09:00 AM

cocceco? not bad.. (d naman sobrang corny... medyo.. :lol: joke lang.. )

pwede rin "eagle" (for the philippine eagle..) (logo niya ung phil. eagle..)
or the "tarsier" hehehehe...

tapos ung mga model niya mga phil heroes... example...
diba merong nissan sentra or honda civic... meron tayong...
Eagle Bonifacio XL
or
Eagle Rizal 3 (parang mazda 3) hehe...
or
Eagle Gabriella (for the ladies... :) )

pwede... :) mejo corny din.

i'm more excited to see the designs... kahit hindi ganon ka-gara okie lang since its only 350k... it would do good for starting families or new businesses... :)

ThisFire

December 14th, 2006, 09:01 AM

the good news is that its all filipino not from toyota,mitsubishi,next passenger car....watch out proton malaysia....

Yeah! FILIPINO.

amras

December 14th, 2006, 09:07 AM

futbolista

December 14th, 2006, 09:43 AM

uh huh... "Rizal" is a pretty decent name for a car! i'd check out that brochure.

Rajah_Soliman

December 14th, 2006, 10:34 AM

pictures?

yeah pictures :)

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 12:12 PM

^^ pwede rin... :)

according to the article at wiki... wala na ung brand.,.. (baka na-missunderstand ko lang siguro or something...)

kung hindi pwede....

pwede ring... "Road Eagle" or something... :) hehehehe.. :)

Askal82

December 15th, 2006, 04:06 AM

Bo B

December 15th, 2006, 04:27 AM

Wow, this is cool, Philippine company will be making its own car. I can sense optimism in the air with regards to market response for a locally made car just like what Sarao's and Francisco motor jeeps are known for.

Why not stick with Sarao. They all buy shares in that company and they will have the added bonus of having a some sort of History. This way, they have a track record already and some name recognition. Proton & Hyundai got started with Mitsubishi engines. Daewoo with GM engines and Kia got a start with the help of Ford and Mazda I think. So, Sarao in itself is a legitimate marque with its own history despite only "borrowing" other engines.

Askal82

December 15th, 2006, 04:31 AM

Why not stick with Sarao. They all buy shares in that company and they will have the added bonus of having a some sort of History. This way, they have a track record already and some name recognition. Proton & Hyundai got started with Mitsubishi engines. Daewoo with GM engines and Kia got a start with the help of Ford and Mazda I think. So, Sarao in itself is a legitimate marque with its own history despite only "borrowing" other engines.

Sarao ain't bad. True, maybe they should simply upgrade themselves from Jeep to auto makers.

richard24

December 15th, 2006, 05:45 AM

^^ oo nga.. :) pero diba wala na ang sarao? can they still revive it?

adverg

December 15th, 2006, 12:44 PM

I just share my ideas. How about from the word Philippines, make it Pinas , then change P to F, since it sounds international car like Ferrari, make it Finas or Filnas as the brand name then the model name if they will do few models in the longrun, I suggest maybe some of Presidents first name initials or their nicknames. Example: Filnas Sergio (Sergio Osmena), Filnas GL (GMA), Filnas Ferdi (Ferdinand Marcos, if you like it), Filnas RM (Ramon Magsaysay and so forth, I think with this name, it will soundly marketable internationally and the brand name sounds that can easily identified it is originated from the Philippines.

ikra

December 15th, 2006, 04:25 PM

naaah... i think it sounds too cocky

NOVO ECIJANO

December 15th, 2006, 04:41 PM

alamin muna natin kung sino ang manufacturer,mvpmap is an organization not a company kailangan may kompanyang maghahandle nito...i prefer the name tarsier its cute.

bagel

December 15th, 2006, 10:53 PM

There was a legitimate attempt to start a homegrown car manufacturing industry in the Philippines in the 1970s. I believe it was VW that actually that helped start it (I think) and the car they produced was called the Sakbayan. It was a licensed version of Volkswagen's Thing (box-type).

Lili

December 15th, 2006, 11:43 PM

^^ What about the Toyota Tamaraw that was developed in the Philippines, too, under Toyota. Also, the Ford Fiera.

futbolista

December 16th, 2006, 05:52 AM

alamin muna natin kung sino ang manufacturer,mvpmap is an organization not a company kailangan may kompanyang maghahandle nito...i prefer the name tarsier its cute.

right. who's really in charge in this outfit anyway? or how is the whole thing set up. one company does the chassis, the other makes the gearbox, so on and so forth? who markets it? and... does a tarsier even move that much? hehehe.

btw, i see some Anfra cars going around the streets. what exactly is Anfra anyway?... would this new Pinoy car be just like an Anfra?

Rajah_Soliman

December 16th, 2006, 02:08 PM

right. who's really in charge in this outfit anyway? or how is the whole thing set up. one company does the chassis, the other makes the gearbox, so on and so forth? who markets it? and... does a tarsier even move that much? hehehe.

btw, i see some Anfra cars going around the streets. what exactly is Anfra anyway?... would this new Pinoy car be just like an Anfra?

imo anfra was a product of the prog.car manufacturing program of the 80's (together with tamaraw, pinoy, fiera etc.) ... are there still anfras running around?

Solblanc

December 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM

Rajah_Soliman

December 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM

Solblanc

December 16th, 2006, 03:10 PM

^^

That's a misconception, really. While proton has its share of problems, it has long evolved into a car manufacturer that relies on its own designs for both the chassis and the engines. Look at the protons today. They're not mitsubishi clones anymore, and they've also developed a full range of models from sedans to suvs.

The car industry is not an easy industry to break into. One reason why we haven't come up with something like proton (and Thailand too, for that matter) is because one thing that car manufacturers need to stay competitive is a brilliant research and design unit. Every year, they have to come up with designs that will wow their customer base, incorporate new technologies, and improve existing technologies. Such r&d is ridiculously capital-intensive. While in the country, we have plenty of know-how regarding putting things together, coming up with cutting edge designs are difficult when we can only spend so much on r&d. Take proton's case. While Proton now has the ability to design and develop its own cars, engines included, their designs are still somewhat lagging behind, again, because they don't have as much money to throw at r&d. One main reason why they're still alive is that they operate in an environment where buying a proton is a practical thing to do, as taxes on foreign cars are astronomical. (They did try to export their cars here, I think, and that bombed) In our case, this new association is creating a low-end utility vehicle that is basically meant to ensure that there will always be demand for the vehicle parts that are locally manufactured.

Rajah_Soliman

December 16th, 2006, 03:16 PM

^^
They're not mitsubishi clones anymore, and they've also developed a full range of models from sedans to suvs.

that's the point i want to drive at .... go on a joint-venture (clone), develop (their own brand), improve competetiveness, diversify

otherwise, all other things you've said, i will consider correct, imo :cheers:

Louman

December 18th, 2006, 08:34 AM

If the Philippines does develop a successful car line, it takes decades for the brand name to be accepted. Companies like Hyundai (Korea, founded 1947) and Toyota (Japan, founded 1933) didn't become popular overnight. In America, Japanese cars became successful because of their fuel efficiency at the time of high gas prices and an oil embargo. Cars from the Philippines will have to differentiate itself from its competition for it to be export friendly.

Some suggestions:

-Cheap price. Maybe the cars should target those on a very tight budget while having as much features as regularly priced cars.
-Able to take different kinds of fuel simultaneously. (Dunno if it's been done before.) How about a car that can take ethanol, diesel, compressed natural gas, and/or regular gasoline.

Here's the founding dates of major car companies.

GM - 1908
Ford - 1903
Mitsubishi - 1917 (not founding date but when came out with their first automobile.)
Chrysler - 1925
Volkswagen - 1937
Datsun/Nissan - 1932

Based on the age of major car companies (most were founded in the 1900s-1940s), it should take half a century before Filipino cars become export friendly.

NOVO ECIJANO

December 18th, 2006, 05:20 PM

hopefully a coming out for the philippines as a car manufacturer...

pedang

December 19th, 2006, 06:52 AM

^^

There are still plenty of Anfras running around. They look absolutely fugly.

Oh, and Proton doesn't have to watch out for anything. Have you seen the latest models of Proton lately? They look more like sleek mazdas than the boxes they churned out decades ago.

more about malaysian cars industry.. ;)

Automotive manufacturers told to rationalise output of parts
By Arman Ahmad
news@nst.com.my

LOCAL automotive manufacturers must rationalise the manufacturing of common components between them to achieve economies of scale and reduce costs, Second Finance Minister Tan Sri Nor Mohamed Yakcop said.

He said this would help make Malaysia a more competitive automotive manufacturing hub.

“The Government will encourage existing vehicle manufacturers to rationalise the models manufactured and assembled in Malaysia. There should also be a move towards rationalising common components between national manufacturers, as this would further promote economies of scale at the component vendor level,” he said.

Nor Mohamed was speaking after officiating at the Proton Vendors Association’s International Conference on Automotive Manufacturing “Challenges and Opportunities Ahead” in Kuala Lumpur yesterday.

Speaking to over 150 component vendors, Nor Mohamed said that Malaysia has developed itself into an automotive manufacturer — with RM11 billion invested by automotive manufacturers and assemblers, and another RM8 billion invested by parts and components manufacturers since Proton was established in 1985.

“We are proud to note that today, Malaysia is the only developing country in the world to have its own full automotive design and engineering capability,” he said.

Nor Mohamed added that the country’s sustained economic growth meant that the demand for motor vehicles has increased over the years — from 200,000 vehicles 10 years ago to 550,000 vehicles in 2005.

This demand has largely been met by local car manufacturers and there are 340 vendors supplying RM5 billion worth of parts today compared to only 140 vendors supplying RM2 billion in 1994.

Despite the success of local manufacturers, the increased competition globally and the effects of the Asean Free Trade Area has shown the decline of market share of national manufacturers in recent years.

“There is an urgent need to address the competitiveness of domestic manufacturers and vendors — both in terms of cost and quality,” he said.

According to Nor Mohamed, the country is at a critical stage in the development of automobile industry.

“We have limited time to respond to liberalisation and global competition. Therefore, we require a concerted effort by industry players to focus on enhancing competitiveness towards ensuring a viable and sustainable future for the industry,” he said.

NOVO ECIJANO

December 19th, 2006, 11:12 AM

Rajah_Soliman

December 19th, 2006, 11:20 AM

We are proud to note that today, Malaysia is the only developing country in the world to have its own full automotive design and engineering capability,” he said.
how about brazil,mexico...they have their own also....

but not as good as Malaysia's IMO :)

@pedang - welcome here, please feel free to post anything you feel relevant to this topic selamat datang

pedang

December 19th, 2006, 11:27 AM

^^ just do some research then u will found the answer :)

NOVO ECIJANO

December 19th, 2006, 01:48 PM

just do some research then u will found the answer

research for what.....

brazil is still a third world country....and way back in the 70's they had already
brasilia.im happy that malaysia car industry is doing good...i hope this time
our country will succeed because we are years ahead than malaysia to have car industry.

bagel

December 20th, 2006, 06:29 AM

Brazil is what we would call an emerging market or an NIC. Their economic output is incomparable to the Philippines' as their production capacity just by land area and number of economic resources alone dwarf our country's.

VW does make cars in Brazil, and they are designed for the Brazil market, but I don't think they have a national automotive company along the lines of Proton. Proton-- is not just in Malaysia either. They own Lotus. Whatever they're doing, they're doing something right.

Likewise, how can we say that we are ahead of Malaysia in the auto industry? Proton has been/is a succesful auto company. They may not be Toyotas, but they do make cars that are much more advanced than our own almost cottage industry-like jeepney market.

I hope that our auto industry takes off... but right now, it is more dream than reality.

Askal82

December 20th, 2006, 06:42 AM

pedang

December 20th, 2006, 07:27 AM

actually philippines have alot of potential ;)

Rene Ybardolaza

December 22nd, 2006, 06:16 AM

pedang

December 22nd, 2006, 09:22 AM

^^ yup. currently Proton lost to Perodua. Thats why they need foreign partner.

futbolista

December 22nd, 2006, 09:50 AM

Proton is actually in big trouble. Their cash reserves is running low (from 3.8 billion ringgit in 2003 down to 500 million ringgit today) and production is down. It once had 65% of the local market, but local consumer grew tired of it primarily due to poor quality and switched loyalties to the second national car maker, Perodua. Now, Proton is looking for someone foreign to buy them.

a cautionary tale for the PHUV then, eh? never heard of the Perodua though.

portludlow

December 26th, 2006, 03:29 AM

People's car a premature idea
by Manny Villar
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/oped04.php

THE term “people’s car,” the production of which has been proposed by some quarters and supported by the Board of Investments or BOI, is misleading. For it implies that the car’s price will be within reach of most Filipinos. Even the backyard-assembled jeep commonly known as “owner” is beyond the reach of most Filipinos. And yet it costs as low as P50,000 (using the cheapest second-hand engine and parts from junk shops, plus a lot of free labor from friends knowledgeable in automotive mechanics).

And that’s less than a third of the P350,000 entry price for the proposed people’s car. We have to admit, Filipino wage earners are not in the league of workers in developed countries like the United States, where a minimum-wage employee can afford to buy a new car, on installment. Here, if you’re making P10,000 a month, you may even find it difficult to buy a motorcycle on installment without a comaker.

Let me clarify this. As a businessman and a lawmaker, I am in full support of having a truly Philippine-made motor vehicle. I also sympathize with the motor vehicle parts manufacturers, which broached the idea to increase domestic car assembly amid the increasing importation of completely built units (CBUs).

The major players in the automotive industry import CBUs primarily for new models so they can sell the units in the market immediately. In contrast, CKDs, which are primarily made up of engine, power train and chassis, require a substantial amount of parts and components from local manufacturers.

Importing CBUs makes good sense in marketing, but takes away business from local parts manufacturers.

In support of the parts makers’ proposal, the government, through the BOI, has announced that it will grant pioneer incentives to the assembly of vehicles under a people’s car program.

The objective is good, but it is such a misplaced generosity, which has no place in governance, particularly when it concerns economic policy. As I mentioned above, the Filipino people, particularly the masses, are not yet on an income level that can afford to buy brand-new vehicles. The government is making a promise it cannot keep by saying it is supporting the assembly of mass-affordable motor vehicles.

Just look at the Proton, which was developed by Malaysia, some of which even found their way to the Philippine market. It’s Malaysia’s people’s car, and it failed, even though Malaysians have a higher per capita income than Filipinos.

The Philippines also produced people’s car models even earlier than the Malaysians. Remember the Sakbayan, the very ugly box on four wheels with a Volkswagen engine? It was used mostly by law enforcement and other government agencies, which apparently were required to buy the locally produced vehicle as an incentive to the industry. Are we going to require our hemorrhaging government corporations to buy the proposed people’s car? That’s nothing more than a subsidy, in another form.

I still see one or two Sakbayans on the road, but most of them are gone. It’s bigger brother, the Trakbayan, is gone, so is the Harabas of General Motors or the Cimarron of Chrysler. Darwin’s law of the survival of the fittest applies to industry, too, you know.

A recent and better-looking people’s car was the Kia Pride. We still see quite a number of them on the road, mostly being used as taxicabs. It has since been replaced by a newer, more expensive model.

And now we’re building a people’s car, again? It’s a nice topic for conversation, but right now it should go no farther than coffee-table talk. On the other hand, let’s encourage the automotive companies to develop cars that will use more locally made parts than their imported models.

But let’s not force the industry to go into the mass production of a people’s car. Even the Philippine market is not big enough to buy all the people’s car that these companies can produce. Generally speaking, all the assembly plants in the country are operating only part of their capacities.

Perhaps, when we begin to grow by 8 percent in terms of gross domestic product, and that means the economy is really sizzling hot, Filipino households will generate enough income to afford to buy brand-new cars. That is the time when we can consider producing a people’s car.

Right now, I doubt that anybody will be investing a lot of money in a people’s-car project.

portludlow

December 26th, 2006, 03:44 AM

^^ First Filipino Car

http://www.guevent.com/sakbayan/1stCar.jpg

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 03:47 AM

People's car a premature idea
by Manny Villar
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/oped04.php

^^ :dunno: shall we believe him? :dunno: ^^

portludlow

December 26th, 2006, 03:59 AM

People's car a premature idea
by Manny Villar
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/oped04.php

^^ :dunno: shall we believe him? :dunno: ^^

I dont know, he is a businessman first and foremost and a lawmaker, he might have an agenda.

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 04:40 AM

I dont know, he is a businessman first and foremost and a lawmaker, he might have an agenda.

that's what i'm thinking... political demagogue. the fact that the isuzu highlander, fx etc. are selling like hotcake in the market just proves that there is a market for the 350K PhUV... of course they cannot sell that to the ordinary workers, but there are those who have money and can afford to buy them i.e. e.g. ofw's and their families. if let's say there are 10M OFW's , they only need to market that to a quarter of those people/their families living in PI and voila they have 2.5 Million ready buyers.... imo.

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 04:49 AM

^^ First Filipino Car

http://www.guevent.com/sakbayan/1stCar.jpg

the problem with this car was it was really an ugly duckling :lol: and they never improved its design (they were selling ths VW model until the early 80's)...

btw, have you heard of silverio's delta mini-cruiser. that rugged vehicle gained foothold in australia and the pacific in the early 80's ... that was a nice vehicle ( production had to stop after the owner got into trouble with the marcoses, as far as i can remember).

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 05:06 AM

http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/minicruiser.jpg

(sorry guys, the info is in German)
DELTA MINI CRUISER

Der Delta Mini Cruiser wurde ab ca.1980 in Manila für die Philippinische Armee gebaut. Dabei wurden 1600ccm Toyota-Motoren verwendet. Einige wenige gelangten über freie Importeure nach Italien und Deutschland. In OFF-ROAD 5/81 gab es sogar mal eine Vorstellung dieses doch sehr seltenen Fahrzeuges . In Italien kann man mit viel Glück noch eines dieser raren Autos auf der Strasse sehen.

Die Optik ist den bekannten J4 Modellenverblüffend ähnlich, jedoch ist das ganze Fahrzeug ca.10% kleiner gebaut, der Tankstutzen ist offen und weiter hinten angebracht. Die Achsen verfügen nur über 5 Radbolzen und der Vorderwagen ist etwas kürzer gebaut.

Technische Daten:

4Zylinder Reihenmotor Typ:12 RM mit 1587cm³, 66 PS, 4Gang Getriebe, Scheibenbremsen,

Leergewicht: 1050 KG (Angaben laut www.sealandsafari.com )

More Pics
http://www.sealandsafari.com/images/Minicruiser/Minicruiser2.jpg

http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/minicr.jpg

some deltas are still running in the ME countries like this one here

http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/front.jpg

the delta is an all-weather vehicle...
http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/Mini-Cruiser-a.jpg

http://http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/Mini-Cruiser-b.jpg

a delta in a German campingplatz

http://www.sadtler.de/GEKNIPST/GEKNIPST_1/GEKNIPST_2/wolfgang_jung_52-1.jpg

portludlow

December 26th, 2006, 05:27 AM

^^ ....were they manufactured by the old Delta Motors of the Silverios in the Philippines?

tigidig14

December 26th, 2006, 05:28 AM

@rajah translate that to anglais, si vous plait

tigidig14

December 26th, 2006, 05:30 AM

^^ First Filipino Car

http://www.guevent.com/sakbayan/1stCar.jpg

any of you guys remember saying this, "minikaniko ni monico ang makina ng menika ni monika."

:lol:

Bo B

December 26th, 2006, 06:10 AM

portludlow

December 26th, 2006, 07:06 AM

any of you guys remember saying this, "minikaniko ni monico ang makina ng menika ni monika."

:lol:

.....tigs, matindi talaga ang memory mo!:lol:

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 01:44 PM

^^ ....were they manufactured by the old Delta Motors of the Silverios in the Philippines?

yes... and this shows that we can compete internationally if we produce quality vehicles.. this villar is not doing research ... :(

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 02:04 PM

@rajah translate that to anglais, si vous plait

avec plaisir, mons. tigs...
c'est ca.

DELTA MINI CRUISER

The Delta Mini Cruiser was produced around 1980 in Manila for the Philippine army using a 1600ccm Toyota-engine (Please note that the Toyota Engine used was 100% produced in the Philippines then)

Some were able to reach Italy and Germany through duty free import. This rare vehicle was featured in the OFF-ROAD 5/81 (-> Motor Show May 1981). You would be lucky if you see one of these rare vehicles running in Italian streets.

The design will remind you of the J4 (->referring to Toyota Land Cruiser), but this vehicle is 10% smaller than the J4. The tank support is open and is placed at the back. The axels have only around 5 wheelbolts and the front part is built a little bit smaller.

Technical Data:

4Cylinder Valvemotor Type:12 RM with 1587cm³, 66 HP, 4 wheel drive, disk brake

Net weight: 1050 KG

btw... i used this tongue twister for tagalog phonolgy training ;)
minikaniko ni monico ang makina ng mInika ni monika

Rajah_Soliman

December 26th, 2006, 03:09 PM

Norkis of Cebu is already trying to do something like that. They buy used japanese cars and remanufacture them (not converting) and market them with a one month guarantee and branded as a Norkis. They mostly come from Suzuki's, Daihatsu's and Nissan's. I think that they should do more than that by seeking assistance from one of those companies to build a really brand new car with cheap labor. This will help the Japanese by taking away the market from Chinese imports and at the same time providing jobs and business for the local economy - only thing is, a car manufacturer has to have global reach in order for it to be profitable. In essence, it is doing something like what the Korean's, Malaysian's and Indian's have done. The important thing to keep in mind is to focus in a certain market and quality and having good markets. I think that is how Hyundai, Tata, and some other companies have been successful and the opposite of that is the reason why some, like Proton and Daewoo failed. Proton got into a tough market with pricing almost at par with that of Toyota, Mitsubishi, and Nissan... they were initially successful with their aggressive pricing, but when they tried to develop a truly Malaysian car, the development costs have weighed in too much on the price. Daewoo, on the other hand, subsidized a very aggressive marketing strategy based on loans in the USA in the nineties which was bound to fail as their quality was not that good and the market was too competitive.

imo, norkis is doing a good job (are they also known as Transfarm?) ... but the only problem with norkis manufacturing is that it is more of a "cottage" industry than a real car manufacturing firm

dinabaw

December 27th, 2006, 09:52 AM

who can remember the Parejo Jeep? it was a copycat of ..of course Pajero :D

Rajah_Soliman

December 27th, 2006, 12:16 PM

who can remember the Parejo Jeep? it was a copycat of ..of course Pajero :D

it didn't really become popular... that was early 90's AFAIK

futbolista

December 28th, 2006, 05:03 AM

i thought the parejo was korean? i'm not even sure if it was even marketed with that name. tao na lang ata nag label nyan.

Rajah_Soliman

December 28th, 2006, 10:56 AM

i thought the parejo was korean? i'm not even sure if it was even marketed with that name. tao na lang ata nag label nyan.

it was a pinoy copy... i remember having read it in the Far Eastern Econonic Review in the early 90's

dinabaw

December 28th, 2006, 05:24 PM

Car-ma Kid

January 1st, 2007, 06:30 PM

I usually agree with Senator Villar's opinions. In this case however , I feel that he is misinformed or lacked data.

I believe that we cannot take the monicker "People's Car" too literally. I don't think that if you say Peoples Car it doesnt necessarily mean that everyone as in everyone will be able to afford it. I think that's why the group doesn't even call it Peoples car, they call it a Philippine Utility vehicle or PHUV.

We don't need to waste our time dreaming that we can come up with a vehicle that will cost P50,000. That's impossible.

But if we ask if there is a market for a utility vehicle with a ticket price of P350,000? I guess if you consider the more than 40 thousand second hand vehicles that were questionably imported and sold in Subic in 2005, then I guess there is a market.

i say we support this local "Philippine Vehicle" project! It will improve our country's image, revive our local automotive industry and employ more Filipinos in the process! :)

Rajah_Soliman

January 2nd, 2007, 01:49 AM

could he be one of those importers ;) ? his message is even made clear by your analysis... that is "stop developing a New PhuV since that is a threat to his car import business" ...

But if we ask if there is a market for a utility vehicle with a ticket price of P350,000? I guess if you consider the more than 40 thousand second hand vehicles that were questionably imported and sold in Subic in 2005, then I guess there is a market.

Blackraven

January 2nd, 2007, 03:14 PM

For the low-end market?

Sige why not?

But before that, get jeepneys out of the road first.

I hope na magkaroon sana ng phase-out ang jeepney by the year 2020.

13-20 more years left then we can finally get them off the streets for good.

Car-ma Kid

January 3rd, 2007, 07:18 AM

Jeepneys will die a natural death. There are no more new manufacturers and they are allowed in less and less roads around the metro.

Actually if you regularly ply edsa, its the buses who are causing traffic.

I however want to keep the flame of the Filipino Car burning. It has been started in the 70's (sakbayan, fiera, tamaraw, xlt). restarted in the 90's (but did not gain headway) and now in the year 2000 its being started again. i think the MVPMAP'S initiative is a noble cause worth supporting.

I hope government realizes that and acts on it.

Rajah_Soliman

January 9th, 2007, 01:08 AM

any news re: alternative jobs for jeepney drivers? :dunno:

Jeepneys will die a natural death. There are no more new manufacturers and they are allowed in less and less roads around the metro.

Actually if you regularly ply edsa, its the buses who are causing traffic.

I however want to keep the flame of the Filipino Car burning. It has been started in the 70's (sakbayan, fiera, tamaraw, xlt). restarted in the 90's (but did not gain headway) and now in the year 2000 its being started again. i think the MVPMAP'S initiative is a noble cause worth supporting.

I hope government realizes that and acts on it.

Car-ma Kid

January 19th, 2007, 07:18 PM

actually i read in the newspaper that DENR thru the funding of DBP will finance a refleeting of all the 67,000 Jeepneys in the NCR wihich are 10 years and older.

They pegged a budget of 4.5B to make sure that the old jeepneys become compliant with the most recent air pollution requirements.

So mukhang tatagal pa ang mga jeepney!

Rajah_Soliman

January 21st, 2007, 04:29 PM

nayki

January 22nd, 2007, 03:17 PM

sakin lang wala naman problema sa mga jeepney, ang mga problema ay mga drivers na walang disiplina, mga operators na di minimaintain ng maayos mga jeepneys nila, at ang govebyerno na may pagkukulang sa pagbibigay ng epektibong standard sa jeepney assembly. Kulang din ang gobyerno sa monitoring at implementasyon ng mga batas pangtransportasyon.

AH-7Raja

January 22nd, 2007, 10:00 PM

Hey nice talking about our people's car.

If we will ever build a pinoy car, we should call it, The Alana (joke).

Well, i guess we should first develop the Sarao jeepneys, and build different various of versions of it.

Lasly, one option, we can call our first AUV or SUV as Barako or Bebot. Then the company should be called, Alpha & Omega, meaning the first and the last.

AH-7Raja

January 22nd, 2007, 10:13 PM

Dapat sa mga jeepneys nayan ay tanggalin na sa mga lansangan, at ibenta na sa mga recycling plants (kung meron man) sa bansa. Tapos, gumawa tayo ng mas mga modernong jeepneys with different versions, and one version would be the classic passenger jeep, and use it only as shuttle-jeepneys to ferry tourists around our many different tourist destinations.

The one that was operating at our old nayong pilipino was a good one. While those air-conditioned versions are another good example for the use to ferry tourists.

jjpaul_c

January 22nd, 2007, 10:44 PM

^They should start to baned it in metro manila.
*This would reduced the agonizing traffic jams.
*It will be benifit the city transit - LRT, MRT or city buses
*It will encourage people to buy cars
*Reduce pollutions

Bosnyboy

January 23rd, 2007, 01:14 PM

Couldnt agree more with the above statements. And please do include the buses with all those undisciplined drivers who are sometimes thought to be high in drugs when theyre driving just to stay awake.

demented_pigeon

January 23rd, 2007, 03:02 PM

^^ i think there should be an attept in decreasing the purchase ofm private vehicles since majority of the pollution coming from vehicles comes from private vehicles. even if you make sure that cars would decrease their emission , their increase in numbers just makes up for the decrease in air pollution.

AH-7Raja

January 23rd, 2007, 03:31 PM

una kasin cause ng mga problema natin sa kalye ay ang law enforcements and disciplines from the drivers.

kaya sa una palang dapat pinalalakas na sinasanay na ang ating mga law enforcers and enforce the traffic laws!

wala kasing nanghuhuli sa mga stop sign violators, speeding, impaired driving, etcetera... kaya ganyan sa bansa natin. dapat talaga ay enforcement tapos punishment and penalties sa mga traffic violators.

pangalawa, wala na kasing dayaan sa pagkuha ng lisensya, wala nang bribes at tanggalin nayang masamang ugali nayan...

lahat dapat ma-educate sa tamang pagmamaneho at pagsunod ng mga traffic and road rules...

:bash:

nayki

January 23rd, 2007, 03:47 PM

Actually madali na kumuha ng license ngayon, madami lang nagogoyo ang mga fixers, sasabihin nila na mahirap at matagal ang process pero ang 22o napakadali lang within an hour makukuha mo na mismo ung card.

Car-ma Kid

January 25th, 2007, 09:44 AM

actually medyo matatagalan pa bago maalis ang mga jeepney sa lansangan. kasi may mga nagagrant pa na bagong mga franchise. At medyo gusto ng gobyerno na may maiwan pang mga jeepney kasi hindi pa naman kumpleto ang mass transport systems natin. So kung mawala ang mga jeepney walang masasakyan ang mga tao.
Isa pa, napakadaming mga tao ang apektado pag mawala ang jeepney dahil may 250,000 jeepneys around the country. isipin mo kung ilang driver at kunduktor yan. Botante rin yan so hindi basta basta mawawala yan.

And lastly, jeepneys are still very much Pinoy. So Dept of Tourism and other government agencies would not want to just erase it from the face of the earth kasi kahit papano, it is a symbol of Filipino Culture. So at the most siguro babawasan lang yan unti unti.

Pero dapat nga madevelop ang isang efficient na mass transport system para ang mga tao ay pwede magtrabaho sa Maynila at umuwi sa probinsya para madecongest naman ang metro manila. At ang mga anak ay sa probinsya na lumaki para fresh air at mas mura diba!?

Rajah_Soliman

January 27th, 2007, 07:34 PM

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/01/28/article_201723_01-28-2007.jpg
Energy Secretary Rafael Lotilla (3rd right) and US Ambassador Kristie Kenny (5th right) lead the unveiling of the model of the would be first Philippine solar-powered car. The solar-powered car named Sinag or Rays are being built by a group of students and will be the country's entry to the World Solar Challenge 2007 in Australia. (AP photo)

Askal82

January 27th, 2007, 07:53 PM

^^
That's a car? It looks like a toy to me.

Rajah_Soliman

January 27th, 2007, 07:59 PM

^^ X type lang... :cheers:

Askal82

January 27th, 2007, 09:36 PM

^^ X type lang... :cheers:

Cool!! But what I'm really hoping is this promising technology by Jose Guardo's magnetic levitation car that moves omnidirectionally along a magleve highway. I could see a great potential in this project.

www.spacecarcorp.com

jjpaul_c

January 27th, 2007, 11:49 PM

Oil companies roll back prices as world crude eases
The Manila Times By Euan Paulo C.
http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//2007/01/27/40d8187baff861ff9e5a4ad13b91e141-medium.jpg

Añonuevo, Reporter OIL companies operating in the Philippines on Friday slashed pump prices anew, the third price cut for the year, because of the continued softening of world crude prices and the strengthening of the peso. Pilipinas Shell Petroleum Corp.,...Click here to read more (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/27/yehey/business/20070127bus2.html)

Rajah_Soliman

January 28th, 2007, 02:21 AM

Cool!! But what I'm really hoping is this promising technology by Jose Guardo's magnetic levitation car that moves omnidirectionally along a magleve highway. I could see a great potential in this project.

www.spacecarcorp.com

is that the very person here aka ProblemSolver? :dunno:

Askal82

January 30th, 2007, 03:45 AM

^^ Is he? I can't tell that for sure but his self styled maglev technology is awesome. It only means that Pinoys can be equally savy in the field of high technology with the more advanced countries.

Sinjin P.

January 30th, 2007, 06:34 AM

Bump! I was watching Mornings@ANC earlier when I heard something about "First Filipino Solar Car Inventor". I wasn't able to get more details, hmm

Car-ma Kid

January 31st, 2007, 05:04 PM

is the Jeepney the true Filipino vehicle?

Rajah_Soliman

January 31st, 2007, 10:52 PM

^^ we all know about the history of the jeepney... maybe it's not.... IMO, :cheers:

^^ Is he? I can't tell that for sure but his self styled maglev technology is awesome. It only means that Pinoys can be equally savy in the field of high technology with the more advanced countries.

...indeed, but there is a difference between theory and practice...:cheers:

Askal82

February 1st, 2007, 02:39 AM

^^ we all know about the history of the jeepney... maybe it's not.... IMO, :cheers:

...indeed, but there is a difference between theory and practice...:cheers:

Do you mean the possibility of building that kind of technology or the feasibility of constructing it once its perfected?

Car-ma Kid

February 1st, 2007, 04:29 PM

i feel that the jeepney should somehow be preserved and allowed to run in the outskirts of the city because it represents Filipino culture.

honk kong has its Rickshaws, thailand their tuk tuks, India their bajajs , we have our jeepneys :)

It is still widely used for farm to market transport although i do believe that its an inefficient mass transport system and should be removed from busy city roads.

Rajah_Soliman

February 1st, 2007, 04:51 PM

Do you mean the possibility of building that kind of technology or the feasibility of constructing it once its perfected?

i mean both

InformaticIAN

February 1st, 2007, 05:00 PM

eh, how about this small car featured in unang hirit a week ago which drew arellano used to drive from west ave. to gma, they called it electric car, i forgot. hinahanap ko nga yung report, nde ko nman makita.

Rajah_Soliman

February 1st, 2007, 09:25 PM

^^ ^^ that's interesting info.....please try googling it and kindly post it here thanksss

oyil

February 2nd, 2007, 08:20 PM

AUV-like vehicle made in Russia: development took only 7 months.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/th_CarDatabaseNetPhotoID00004233.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/CarDatabaseNetPhotoID00004233.jpg) http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/th_CarDatabaseNetPhotoID00004232.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/CarDatabaseNetPhotoID00004232.jpg)

e kaya natin yan, e.

Rajah_Soliman

February 2nd, 2007, 08:24 PM

^^ ^^ a combination of benz, iveco and anfra :lol:

InformaticIAN

February 5th, 2007, 08:44 AM

nood kau ng SAPULSO sa Qtv 11, ife-feature nila yung electric car. this monday mga 10pm.

Askal82

February 5th, 2007, 09:13 AM

Who would buy a Brand new Filipino car worth 350K?! I will always choose a second hand toyota/honda for 350K. its more practical, quality wise and resale value wise. manny villar is right. we do not need a filipino car. what we need is for the current foreign manufacturers to build vehicles with more filipino content, much like ford's Focus and Escape and mazda's 3.

IMO, the idea is too idealistic. the Philippine car market is not yet ready for this.

Well, you may never know how far this new Philippine-made car will go until it gets its break. If Hyundae and Kia of Korea, Tata of India or Proton of Malaysia is able prove their own successes, then there is no reason why some Philippine company who are serious into automotive business won't be able to do it.

InformaticIAN

February 5th, 2007, 09:22 AM

but the thing is.... we're already on the way of building our own. nood kau sapulso, 10pm qtv 11 , electric car invented by a filipino. actually di na bago pero much better indeed.

FrancisXavier

February 5th, 2007, 09:33 AM

may fi-neature kagabi sa rated K na locally designed cars.. yung mga gaya gaya.. sabi, may dine-develop daw na design para sa pinas...yung kaya yug PHUV?

Gibb

February 5th, 2007, 11:08 AM

^^ is MAGLEV the one you are referring to?

Gibb

February 5th, 2007, 11:14 AM

Askal82

February 6th, 2007, 04:34 AM

Koreans, indians and malaysians are nationalistic. they are proud of their own products. but filipinos, to be realistic, if a product has a tag that says "made in the philippines" people would perceive it as low quality, cheap, ugly, and "local". in simple terms, Filipinos are still colonial minded.:bash:

I don't think nationalism directly drives automotive sales in the country where it is marketed. In America back in 1970's during the oil embargo, many Americans find Japanese cars to be more economically efficient in terms of fuel consumption (gallons) per mile than their 'locally' produced gas guzzling counterparts. Car sales and imports from Japan soared while domestic production were nearly thrown off at the edge of competition. The Japanese car manufacturing industry had the advantage in mass-production with their latest manufacturing methods (Kaizen and Kanban) and technology enabling them to churn out high quality cars at a lower cost both in purchase price, maintainance and fuel economy.

I don't see a reason that Philippine-made cars will fail to impress the local market as long as it can prove how competitive they can be just like their Japanese and Korean counterparts.

Askal82

February 7th, 2007, 03:03 AM

you have a wrong example there my friend. Americans have a different sense of national pride that filipinos. the reason japanese cars became succesful in the world market because they have technology to boast.

Filipino made cars, no problem about that. the Ford Focus and the Mazda3 that you see everyday are all made in the Philppines, laguna to be exact. the problem would be, are the filipino's ready to buy a Filipino BRAND. we are talking about the marque here. I am 100% sure that the philippine market is too small to sustain a filipino car maker. we cant even barely sell 100,000 units a year. plus we do no not have the technology to compete with the koreans and the japanese.

you can not deny the fact that filipinos are brand conscious people. you also have to take into consideration many aspects in buying a new car. build quality, brand, prestige, parts availability, safety, , technology, design, fuel economy and resale value are all essentials in making a decision to buy a new car.. items in bold caps are the items in which a filipino branded car will fail.

its nice to be idealistic, but we have to be realistic too.

Well, the Japanese started small as well. Japanese cars were percieved to be inferior before the embargo struck back in the 70's that caused the oil prices to shoot up. Daihatsu, Toyota and Honda's were not known in America before then.

The Japanese initially borrowed assembly line methods and technology from America (mass production started by Ford's T-model), modified them to be cost effective and efficient while improving the quality of their outputs. It was far costlier to come up with a quality design considering how limited and costly the technology was available only to the industrialized countries back then.

Fast forward to the future and the price of technology keeps dropping at an exponential rate while vastly improving its capabilities. Raw material acquisition became easier and affordable. Countries such as Korea, Malaysia, India and later China found new opportunities to design and manufacture their own vehicles. Advances in technology, availability of raw materials, human resources that also includes those who are technologically and mechanically competent are the main ingredients allowing the Philippines to explore the opportunity in getting serious about the automotive business.

Askal82

February 7th, 2007, 05:23 AM

Japan already has a sizeable domestic car market when they began to build their own cars. so does south korea and now China. the philippines only have a small market. no way will a filipino branded vehicle will survive.

Yeupz, and their car production exceeds their population so they exported them. China and India, despite their population will soon export their own cars too. The thing is, how will we know if it will succeed if they are not given the break. Philippines have the capacity to build high quality ships which is already exported to other countries so what more about cars? Besides, if local car manufacturing is indeed hopeless to be successful in the country then why are jeepneys hailed the king of the roads in the Philippines?

DoggMann

February 7th, 2007, 05:37 AM

^^ i definitely agree with askal ... just look at how successfull our local version of jeep! ... oner! meron kami nyan! hehehe ... cheap, dependable and looked macho! :)

Askal82

February 7th, 2007, 05:47 AM

^^ i definitely agree with askal ... just look at how successfull our local version of jeep! ... oner! meron kami nyan! hehehe ... cheap, dependable and looked macho! :)

...and jeeps come in two flavors, the 'oner' types and the 'stretched limo types' - the one used for transporting goods and people alike. I've seen a gigantic Jeep carrying bananas on ro-ro port from Batangas fitted with Isuzu Elf truck engine!

allan_dude

February 7th, 2007, 01:12 PM

Kuliglig Roadster: the ultimate farm to market utility vehicle. ^^

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/43/108457435_d28c78cf97.jpg?v=0
From Flickr

Mithril Cloud

February 7th, 2007, 04:43 PM

Bump! I was watching Mornings@ANC earlier when I heard something about "First Filipino Solar Car Inventor". I wasn't able to get more details, hmm

That's got to be Sinag, DLSU-Manila's Solar Car Project.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2007/01/solarcar.jpg
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/01/28/article_201723_01-28-2007.jpg

DLSU-M develops First Philippine Solar Car project
2401: The Official Newsletter of De La Salle University-Manila 08 JANUARY 2007

A team of Engineering faculty members and students from DLSU-Manila is building the First Philippine Solar car, together with Ford Philippines, San Miguel, Philippine Airlines, and Shell Philippines.

Other minor sponsors are J. Walter Thompson, Creasia, Tuason Racing School, La Isla Lipana, and Sun Power. The project will be entered in the World Solar Challenge, a contest inviting young engineers worldwide to build a car capable of traveling across the Australian continent on the power of sunlight, in Australia on October 21-28. This year’s meet also marks the 20thanniversary of the solar competition.

The members of the Technical Working Group are: DLSU-M faculty members Engr. Rene Fernandez (project leader), Engr. Martin Ernesto Kalaw, Engr. Anthony Escobar, Engr. Jose Antonio Catalan, and Engr. Isidro Marfori III. The project’s advisers are Ford Philippines President Henry Co, Shell Philippines Chairman Ed Chua, DLSU-M Executive Vice President Dr. Carmelita Quebengco, and Vice President for Academics and Research Dr. Julius Maridable.

The solar car will emphasize the functionality of the product, which is projected to weigh only 150 kilograms. A formal introduction of the project on campus is scheduled on January 10. The Name the First Philippine Solar Car Contest will kick-off during the event.

Filipinos develop first Solar Car for international race
http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/tech_milestones/current/phil_solar_car.html

A team of Filipino engineering students and professors from De La Salle University-Manila is developing Sinag, the first Philippine solar car project that will compete in the Panasonic World Solar Challenge in Australia on Oct. 21 to 28,2007.

The challenge is to build a solar car that is capable of traveling across the Australian continent (3,000 km journey) on the power of sunlight. Since 1987, the international competition has been motivating young scientists and engineers worldwide to pursue the ideals of sustainable development.

Working like an assembly line, three teams - shell, mechanical, and electrical teams - are responsible for the technical aspect of Sinag. The solar car is 4.79m long, 1.73 m wide, and with a height of 1.07m. Its shell is composed of carbon fiber that is a lightweight material. The students used software programs such as AutoCAD, Solidworks, and Cosmos to design and simulate the solar car.

Martin Sy-Quia, Mechanical Engineering (MEE) junior and head of shell team, said he is now realizing the pressure of the project. “We have to learn so many new things and do this before October. There are more experienced teams, because they have been participating since 1987.” But Sy-Quia is proud to represent his country through this project.

On the other hand, another MEE junior Prince Ang participated in this project to further enhance his engineering skills and apply the theories he learned in his course. While the subjects taught in classes provide general engineering concepts, Ang furthered the project exposed the students to a specific interest: automobile engineering through the use of non-conventional energy.

The students are guided by Rene Fernandez (project leader), Martin Kalaw, Anthony Escobar, Jose Catalan, and Isidro Marfori III - all faculty members of College of Engineering.

Though working under budget constraint, the team ensured that it will work at its best to develop the car. The average budget of contending teams is $100,000 that can only deliver a simple output.

Ford Philippines, San Miguel, Philippine Airlines, and Shell Philippines are working with De La Salle to create the Solar Car. Minor sponsors are J. Walter Thomson, Creasia, Tuason Racing School, La Isla Lispana, and Sun Power.

DLSU students unveil ‘Sinag,’ RP’s first solar-powered car
By Rhodina Villanueva Sunday, January 28, 2007

The first Philippine solar-powered car, dubbed "Sinag," was launched yesterday to highlight the country’s efforts to promote the use of alternative sources of energy.

Students and faculty members, mostly from the engineering department of De La Salle University (DLSU)-Manila, are responsible for developing Sinag.

The car resembles a pair of wings on wheels, with its solar cell-covered top surface stretching a little over six square meters. It is made out of carbon fiber and Nomex (aramid fiber) in order to keep it light — only 150 kilograms — and fast.

"This first Philippine entry to the annual solar car racing event is a fine example of how the country can rise and stand with the rest of the world in meeting such a challenge, which requires superior technology and skill," a representative of the team developing the car, said.

Sinag will be using solar cells from Sunpower, the highest efficiency solar cells in the world, also made in the Philippines, he added.

Sinag was launched at the NBC Tent in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City.

Leading the technical working team are La Salle faculty members, engineers Rene Fernandez, Martin Ernesto Kalaw, Anthony Escobar, Jose Antonio Catalan and Isidro Marfori III, together with a number of engineering students.

The team is being assisted by the Ford Group Philippines, San Miguel Corp., Shell, Sunpower, Philippine Airlines and Ventus.

A solar car is an electric vehicle powered by energy obtained from solar panels mounted on top of the car. Solar cars are reportedly not a practical form of transportation yet as they can only operate during the day and can only carry one or two passengers.

However, they are being raced in competitions such as the World Solar Challenge, which will be held in Australia from Oct. 22 to 28 this year. Events such as this aim to promote the development of alternative energy technology such as solar cells.

Conceived by fuel economy expert Hans Tholstrup in 1987, the World Solar Challenge is the biggest solar car race in the world, participated in by around 20 countries. The annual race is 3,010 kilometers long and cuts through the Australian continent, from Darwin to Adelaide.

The main technology behind the solar car, known as the "photovoltaic cell," has been available since 1883, but

incorporating this into a practical and sustainable form of transportation is said to be an ongoing process.

The solar car race reportedly seeks to further drum up support for the development of a solar car that can go toe-to-toe with fossil fuel-powered vehicles.

FrancisXavier

February 7th, 2007, 05:58 PM

nabasa ko sa kanina sa Manila standard, this PhUV will be manufactured by Francisco motors.. Pick up type ata kasi sabi pwede raw gamitin for cargo..:yes:

Askal82

February 8th, 2007, 03:02 AM

Cmon', you are comparing a backyard manufactured vehicle from a full time car manufacturer? besides, the filipino car is not a new idea. there have bee previous filipino car manufacturers like Francisco Motors has the Anfra, and it failed. Filipinos would rather buy a Toyota Tamaraw FX which is more expensive than buy an Anfra.

when you invest for a car manufacturing facility. you will spend billions of pesos on it. and for what? to get a little chunk of the 100,000 vehicle car market? you need to get a sizeable market share for you to be able to get a decent return on investment. and a filipino designed and branded car go head to head with toyota, nissan, mitsubishi, and honda?

idealism should be in its proper place. a filipino car manufacturer will fail at this point in time.

also, i have news for you. The philippines have already been exporting cars since 2005. we export the Ford Focus, Ford Escape, Mazda Tribute and Mazda 3. The Mitsubshi L300, Adventure are locally assembled. The Innova and the Atis are also locally assembled. Honda's CRV and City are also assembled here. so does the Isuzu Crosswind. and you expect a filipono branded car manufactuer to go head on with them?

i still say that encourage the present assemblers to invest more to upgrade their facilitrd, Mazda, Kia,ies so that the country can export more vehicles like Fo Mitsubshi, Toyota, Honda, Nissan etc. rather than start a new car manufacturer that would obviously fail. Norkis (the manufacturer of Legacy first and multicab) does not need a competition.

You mentioned that Philippines are exporting cars belonging to multinational companies and the thing called 'technology transfer' is taking place. Since some of the automotive parts are already made in the Philippines by outsourcing them to local manufacturers, it's not really that far from possibility that they form their own corporation to start producing their own models.

So what's the big deal with a 100,000 a year car market? Aren't they growing? The automobile market pie is growing and now is the opportunity to take advantage of it. Philippines have a population of 86 million - there is plenty of room to expand.

How will you call that idealism when a project like this can be attainable with all the available resources and technology at their disposal?

AH-7Raja

February 8th, 2007, 07:06 AM

Its the Filipino self-reliance.

If we can only follow the steps of the japanese, or even the chinese, like boosting our budget for the Research and Development, perhaps one day we can put to the market our inventions and sell to the world.

That means, our country will be self-sufficient in the long run. Making money out of these pinoy products is a big deal and will support our economy big time.

We can do it if we only want to. Those projects such as the Solar-Powered car, MAGLEV techs, hydro-powered engines, hovercrafts (7 yrs ago), are potentially dollar-earners if we can only continue to support them and help these inventors to put them in the market.

Lastly, our government should really now take a second look at our present locally made firearms, like the paltiks, and others that made by the Danao family. Sure we can develop our own cars, aircrafts, ships, electronic gudgets, televisions, etcetera, we know we can do it, but the government has to support the DOST big time and invest there big time! These are really important things to do, and if they can only support them, so that one day we can not only import some foreign technologies and products, but exporting them as well and make millions or even billions of dollars out of it every year.

:banana:

Askal82

February 8th, 2007, 08:40 AM

You have to do a more research. 100,000 units is very measley. compared to the 100million car market of the USA or Japan. Thailand sells 500,000 cars a year. Indonesia about 300,000. and you are proud of our 100,000? car sales has been flat for 10 years since 1997. and for 10 years the philippine car market have not sold more that 100,000 vehicles.

the ultimate question will be. Will the filipino car buyer choose a Filipino branded car (Filipino Marque, Filipino Technology, Filipino Manufactured) over a Toyota or a Honda? if your answer is no. then better not start with this project. id rather buy a Mazda3 100% Manufactured in the Philippines by Filipinos.

Well, have you considered the jeep owners in those 100,000 figures you are telling me? Don't tell me they are not vehicles. By the way, your ultimate question has been answered already, just scroll up to my post # 130 to find it out. You can even find them in the poorest and remotest part of the Philippines where Toyota's, Honda's and Kia's are rare to spot and the four feet drive, the Carabaos compete with them as the King of the Road. ;)

Solblanc

February 8th, 2007, 11:50 AM

looking at the concept of the Philippine car from the articles, it isn't really meant to compete with the likes of Honda or Toyota. It's supposed to be a low-end car whose purpose is simply to ensure that spare parts manufacturers here in the Philippines will have a guaranteed place in the market, as more and more cars are being imported rather than being built in the country.

Obviously, we don't have the resources for kickass R&D, but we have to start somewhere.

Rajah_Soliman

February 8th, 2007, 12:06 PM

a repost from the Car-Thread :cheers:

That's got to be Sinag, DLSU-Manila's Solar Car Project.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2007/01/solarcar.jpg
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/01/28/article_201723_01-28-2007.jpg

DLSU-M develops First Philippine Solar Car project
2401: The Official Newsletter of De La Salle University-Manila 08 JANUARY 2007

A team of Engineering faculty members and students from DLSU-Manila is building the First Philippine Solar car, together with Ford Philippines, San Miguel, Philippine Airlines, and Shell Philippines.

Other minor sponsors are J. Walter Thompson, Creasia, Tuason Racing School, La Isla Lipana, and Sun Power. The project will be entered in the World Solar Challenge, a contest inviting young engineers worldwide to build a car capable of traveling across the Australian continent on the power of sunlight, in Australia on October 21-28. This year’s meet also marks the 20thanniversary of the solar competition.

The members of the Technical Working Group are: DLSU-M faculty members Engr. Rene Fernandez (project leader), Engr. Martin Ernesto Kalaw, Engr. Anthony Escobar, Engr. Jose Antonio Catalan, and Engr. Isidro Marfori III. The project’s advisers are Ford Philippines President Henry Co, Shell Philippines Chairman Ed Chua, DLSU-M Executive Vice President Dr. Carmelita Quebengco, and Vice President for Academics and Research Dr. Julius Maridable.

The solar car will emphasize the functionality of the product, which is projected to weigh only 150 kilograms. A formal introduction of the project on campus is scheduled on January 10. The Name the First Philippine Solar Car Contest will kick-off during the event.

Filipinos develop first Solar Car for international race
http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/tech_milestones/current/phil_solar_car.html

A team of Filipino engineering students and professors from De La Salle University-Manila is developing Sinag, the first Philippine solar car project that will compete in the Panasonic World Solar Challenge in Australia on Oct. 21 to 28,2007.

The challenge is to build a solar car that is capable of traveling across the Australian continent (3,000 km journey) on the power of sunlight. Since 1987, the international competition has been motivating young scientists and engineers worldwide to pursue the ideals of sustainable development.

Working like an assembly line, three teams - shell, mechanical, and electrical teams - are responsible for the technical aspect of Sinag. The solar car is 4.79m long, 1.73 m wide, and with a height of 1.07m. Its shell is composed of carbon fiber that is a lightweight material. The students used software programs such as AutoCAD, Solidworks, and Cosmos to design and simulate the solar car.

Martin Sy-Quia, Mechanical Engineering (MEE) junior and head of shell team, said he is now realizing the pressure of the project. “We have to learn so many new things and do this before October. There are more experienced teams, because they have been participating since 1987.” But Sy-Quia is proud to represent his country through this project.

On the other hand, another MEE junior Prince Ang participated in this project to further enhance his engineering skills and apply the theories he learned in his course. While the subjects taught in classes provide general engineering concepts, Ang furthered the project exposed the students to a specific interest: automobile engineering through the use of non-conventional energy.

The students are guided by Rene Fernandez (project leader), Martin Kalaw, Anthony Escobar, Jose Catalan, and Isidro Marfori III - all faculty members of College of Engineering.

Though working under budget constraint, the team ensured that it will work at its best to develop the car. The average budget of contending teams is $100,000 that can only deliver a simple output.

Ford Philippines, San Miguel, Philippine Airlines, and Shell Philippines are working with De La Salle to create the Solar Car. Minor sponsors are J. Walter Thomson, Creasia, Tuason Racing School, La Isla Lispana, and Sun Power.

DLSU students unveil ‘Sinag,’ RP’s first solar-powered car
By Rhodina Villanueva Sunday, January 28, 2007

The first Philippine solar-powered car, dubbed "Sinag," was launched yesterday to highlight the country’s efforts to promote the use of alternative sources of energy.

Students and faculty members, mostly from the engineering department of De La Salle University (DLSU)-Manila, are responsible for developing Sinag.

The car resembles a pair of wings on wheels, with its solar cell-covered top surface stretching a little over six square meters. It is made out of carbon fiber and Nomex (aramid fiber) in order to keep it light — only 150 kilograms — and fast.

"This first Philippine entry to the annual solar car racing event is a fine example of how the country can rise and stand with the rest of the world in meeting such a challenge, which requires superior technology and skill," a representative of the team developing the car, said.

Sinag will be using solar cells from Sunpower, the highest efficiency solar cells in the world, also made in the Philippines, he added.

Sinag was launched at the NBC Tent in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City.

Leading the technical working team are La Salle faculty members, engineers Rene Fernandez, Martin Ernesto Kalaw, Anthony Escobar, Jose Antonio Catalan and Isidro Marfori III, together with a number of engineering students.

The team is being assisted by the Ford Group Philippines, San Miguel Corp., Shell, Sunpower, Philippine Airlines and Ventus.

A solar car is an electric vehicle powered by energy obtained from solar panels mounted on top of the car. Solar cars are reportedly not a practical form of transportation yet as they can only operate during the day and can only carry one or two passengers.

However, they are being raced in competitions such as the World Solar Challenge, which will be held in Australia from Oct. 22 to 28 this year. Events such as this aim to promote the development of alternative energy technology such as solar cells.

Conceived by fuel economy expert Hans Tholstrup in 1987, the World Solar Challenge is the biggest solar car race in the world, participated in by around 20 countries. The annual race is 3,010 kilometers long and cuts through the Australian continent, from Darwin to Adelaide.

The main technology behind the solar car, known as the "photovoltaic cell," has been available since 1883, but

incorporating this into a practical and sustainable form of transportation is said to be an ongoing process.

The solar car race reportedly seeks to further drum up support for the development of a solar car that can go toe-to-toe with fossil fuel-powered vehicles.

Askal82

February 9th, 2007, 01:22 AM

^^

My point being is that producing locally made vehicles is attainable and as viable as making jeepneys.

looking at the concept of the Philippine car from the articles, it isn't really meant to compete with the likes of Honda or Toyota. It's supposed to be a low-end car whose purpose is simply to ensure that spare parts manufacturers here in the Philippines will have a guaranteed place in the market, as more and more cars are being imported rather than being built in the country.

Obviously, we don't have the resources for kickass R&D, but we have to start somewhere.

Exactly. We have to start somewhere. Heading in that direction is to ensure the survival as well as revitalize our local automotive manufacturing industry.

Car-ma Kid

February 9th, 2007, 03:12 AM

simply put, the philippines market is not yet mature and capable of sustaining its own marquee. maybe when the time the country can already sell 500,000 units a year.

for the month of january, total automobile sales were just a measly 6,000 units. if a filipino car manufacturer is already present, how many would have it sold? 5 or 10 units at most 100? you can not sustain an automotive manufacturing business with that number of sales

I think you completely miss th point or you lack research. The PhUV project is not a 100% locally made vehicle it only aims to have a high local content value added of not less than 60%. This is mainly because we cannot source an engine and transmission locally.

The PhUV project is meant to spur and spearhead more development of the local automotive industry. Yes it is true that it has been tried before. First with the Ford fierara (as te number one seller in its time) Then the tamaraw (2nd) and the Cimaron (3rd) (all in the 70's). We were on our way to developing a local vehicle that WAS 100% Filipino made. Toyota then thru Delta motors even defied its principal bu using its 12r engine and producing a smaller version of the Land Cruiser, the Mini Cruiser (still in use by the Armed Forces of the Philippines even if its 30 years old). The Mini Cruiser was also accepted in Europe when it was exported there.

What we really need is just positive thinkers who will put effort in just doing it and promoting locally assembled vehicles and exert more effort in protecting the local industry which employs more than 70,000 Filipinos (with a trickle down effect of times 5) from the detrimental effects of smiggling (aka SUVic vehicles) and WTO agreements.

The ANFRA as you mentioned in your earlier post was successful in its own right. Selling more than 250 units a month, serving a niche market including PLDT and other nationalistic government offices. You cannot say it failed because it did sell. It just stopped production when Ford bought Mazda and FMC lost their right to sell Mazda components.

Malaysia made a national car which was the proton. Some people say it was a failure, I believe otherwise. Last year they sold more than 115,000 protons. thats the whole Philippine production of new cars. lately it was overtaken by Perodua which sold slightly more. Imagine the size of the malaysian auto industry, its success spured by the governments support to their national car program.

Why cant we have the same? we were on our way in the 70's. Way ahead of Thailand, malaysia and Indonesia in developing a local vehicle. We were just derailed by the crisis in the 80's when ninoy died.

we can do it again. and the last thing we need are the naysayers.

p.s. thailand sold 1.5M vehicles last year.

Car-ma Kid

February 9th, 2007, 03:19 AM

Askal82

February 9th, 2007, 06:48 AM

I see the locally-assembled jeepneys taking one step further by following the evolutionary path into manufacturing fully Philippine-made vehicles. Forget the locally made Japanese and Korean cars that are still out of reach by the lower end of the demographics. Jeeps have been consistently durable, practical, cheaper and dependable throughout the years and it will eventually evolve together with the Filipino road culture.

Car-ma Kid

February 9th, 2007, 05:47 PM

i believe you misread the thread my friend. some people here proposes a Filipino vehilce, (manufactured, Engineered and Badged).

i totally agree with the correct proposal to have the locally assembled vehicles here in the philippines to include more Filipino content. Lets build toyotas and Hondas that are philippine made and made from parts made by filipinos.

but for a filipino marque? The philippine market is not yet ripe for that.

As i said ....Naysayer.

I vehemently disagree with you. I say we DO Go for a Filipino brand. That is how Malaysia did it with their Proton. They developed their own brand and just got technical assistance from mitsubishi. All it takes is Political will. Mahatir backed it up and so it was! And when they started their market was also undeveloped such as ours.

if we don't start now then when? When Delta did the Mini Cruiser it did not bear the Toyota emblem. Silverio was a rebel, but he knew what he wanted and he got it. We need more visionaries like him. Not prophets of doom and gloom who kill a project without even trying.

When the Cimaron was made it did not have the Mitsubishi emblem yet it had a Mitsubishi engine under its hood.

Now if you argue that it is still not totally pinoy because it has a japanese engine under the hood, this is what I am trying to explain.

The success of the Pinoy vehicle project depends on a well planned out phase by phase process. True at the start it is still not 100% pinoy, but its still a start. Then if the first phase succeeds we go to the next, which is to develop our own engine. It can be done.

Even if it means we have to use a china made engine initially....it is still a start.

And finally I'll tell you how the Filipino vehicle can be successful......financing! That is the main givernment support that the pinoy vehicle project can be successful. If the government opens an attractive financing package for the PhUV. Much like their offer in PAGIBIG right now. You can loan 2M for 30yrs at 6% interest. But i digress.

Financing is the key. Look at all the chinese motorcycles around. The china brand motorcycle dealers don't make money with the sale of the motorcycle (how can you if its only 20k each) they make money with their financing. This way they double or triple their profit but people still buy it because its still cheaper than commuting.

If we offer a no downpayment 5 thousand a month financing scheme for the Pinoy vehicle then people will buy it for their businesses. They will no longer consider buying a 2nd hand AUV because the initial cash outlay would be bigger.

Another help from the givernment is that they can mandate that all government agencies buy the Pinoy vehicle. As was done with the Proton. Kaya nga national car diba?

Lets support this effort. let's get rid of the nega-vibes.

Rajah_Soliman

February 9th, 2007, 06:28 PM

^^ ^^ what's the current market for motor vehicles in malaysia? any figures? :cheers:

Car-ma Kid

February 9th, 2007, 06:40 PM

500,000 a year but they started waaaaaay lower than us.

Rajah_Soliman

February 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM

^^ what's philippines' current market? potential market? :)

Car-ma Kid

February 10th, 2007, 01:28 PM

^^ what's philippines' current market? potential market? :)

current is 100,000 from the formal assemblers and 100,000 gray market or surplus (smuggled or assembled).

:banana:

Rajah_Soliman

February 10th, 2007, 02:14 PM

^^ i see, there's a substantial market, though way below Malaysia's 500,000.

txs.

i think, i'll opt to have the "Local brand" car manufacturing. :cheers:

FrancisXavier

February 10th, 2007, 02:46 PM

yup... if not now, when? it's good to start our own now..perhaps, they could also manufacture left hand drive cars to tap other south east asian market..

Car-ma Kid

February 12th, 2007, 05:25 PM

yup... if not now, when? it's good to start our own now..perhaps, they could also manufacture left hand drive cars to tap other south east asian market..

cool!! More positive thinkers!! :)

:cheers: looking at the glass as half full!

lewdsaint

February 13th, 2007, 03:30 AM

Passengers jeepneys in Iloilo. A classic pinoy transportation with Ilonggo's ingenuity. Much more comfy than the usual jeepney.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/386266449_e2840e5813.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/386266235_c328125fc3.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/386265969_73e36b4727.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/386265650_1040164ade.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/384673855_0ce48b9ebb.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/lewdsaint/384673484_dcab549e1c.jpg

ValMan's photos : http://flickr.com/photos/98249897@N00/

DoggMann

February 13th, 2007, 03:58 AM

^^ wow! panis ang mga jeep sa manila ... :)

lewdsaint

February 13th, 2007, 04:58 AM

Yes, jeepneys are a uniquely Pinoy creation, and Ilonggos do take their jeepneys very seriously - going the extra mile in producing what could be the most modern and most upbeat version of this Pinoy road Icon.

The jeepneys in Iloilo City are modern, sleek and simply fun to ride. Unlike their more colorful, more traditional Manila cousins, Iloilo City jeepneys sport a more modern look with their streamlined and well-polished exteriors and cozy interiors equipped with state-of-the-art audio systems to entertain riders.

In addition to aesthetics, the jeepneys also serve as important modes of inter-city trasportation linking the city center to the suburbs. They are the cheapest and most convenient way to get around the city and to tour the city sights - and even beyond!

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/DSCF0523.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/BernieMack_120_.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/BernieMack125.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/1915835-Iloilos_sleek_and_mdoern_je.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/jeepney_ilonggo.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Calle_Real.jpg

thanks to berniemacksouthcentral for the photos.

Car-ma Kid

February 13th, 2007, 06:13 PM

100,000 or even 200,000 thousand is not a substantial market.

no businessman in his right mind will start up a car manufacturing facility manufacturing filipino branded vehicles. A businessman with good busniess sense would not invest in that. it would be a great way to throw away money and go bankrupt though.

if that business is really viable, some big businessman would have already thought about it like the Ayala's (they own Honda Cars Makati).

if the FMC Anfra was successful, it would have had a successor, however it did not have any. therefore it was a fluke. The philippine car market is not ready to do battle with the 20+ marque fighting to get a lion's share of the measley 100,000 units per year phillipine car market

100,000 is more than enough. when the early auv's were made , only hundreds were sold but it still developed and evolved (although development continued outside the Philippines because we were in crisis). When Toyota re entered in the 90's they developed the Hiside Pickup FX and sold just a fewbut they still did it. Mitsubishi developed the L300 FB specifically for the philippine market and at its peak only sold 800 units a month, yet it is still being sold today. The Pinoy vehicle program is much like these vehicles only they are gunning for even higher local content and eventually 100% locally sourced components.

All the members of MVPMAP (the group spearheading this project) are businessmen, are you saying they are all not in their right minds? This group includes Yazaki Torres which supplies 80% of the wirings in the asia pacific region. I guess they don't know what their doing too huh.

I read in the newspaper that Francisco motors is joining the program and is coming up with their own prototype. Why would he do it all over again if it wasn't worth their while?

If Edison thought the same as you, he would not ave bothered with the light bulb because he'd say : if it was a good idea somebody should've thought of it a long time ago.:ohno:

NOVO ECIJANO

February 13th, 2007, 06:36 PM

its about time...the economy is on the upswing,the businessmen is taking
advantage of it.but lets get rid of the box type like the tamaraw,anfra and the likes...lets make a a real good car comparable to that of proton and hyundai..

Rajah_Soliman

February 13th, 2007, 09:48 PM

100,000 or even 200,000 thousand is not a substantial market.

what's your basis? any macro figures to support this? :cheers:

Rajah_Soliman

February 13th, 2007, 09:57 PM

If Edison thought the same as you, he would not ave bothered with the light bulb because he'd say : if it was a good idea somebody should've thought of it a long time ago.:ohno:

this is the inherent dilemma of the Pinoys.... i kinda agree with this reasoning... :cheers: cheers to you car-ma kid....

.... on the other hand, I also admire abvillareal's critical reasoning ... :cheers: cheers also to you!

IsaganiZenze

February 14th, 2007, 06:31 AM

not sure if anyone has posted this idea already, i only skimmed the posts on here....hee hee

....anywho....i know this idea will be shut down already, the moment i will post it.....but since we are talking about creating a "first car" for the philippines, in which we can benefit......we should invent or totally manufacture mass hyrdogen powered cars (ignore the monetary cost for such an idea), meaning...that this car company will only make hyrdrogen powered cars...well my logic being, since oil is running out...REALLY SOON!!! and since global warming is here (kid you not, it's just gonna get hotter, rainier, frequent typhoons (stronger than we have ever seen before), wouldn't it be best if we invest in the long run...i know...if they create this car using the basic technology (what we know and have now), it will only be temporary profit...but if we invest on a hydrogen powered car....then that's where the future lies...and if we start off with that...will be somewhat ahead of the game...i know they have done hydrogen power cars already..(all prototypes...i know they'll be on the market in japan like 2009 or 2010..somethign like that), but no one has really mass produced....or if we develop the technology now in the philippines...then we'll get our name out..and that will only build our reputation...or this company's reputation as a leading manufacturer of hyrdrogen powered cars.....

....i know this is a dream...and a very expensive one too (doubt anyone will invest on it), but wouldn't this be a great idea>?

Car-ma Kid

February 14th, 2007, 06:03 PM

pwede rin!

but lets take baby steps first. Maybe an lpg engine is nearer the horizon.But if we can develop a hydrogen poweder engine why not?:nocrook:

oyil

February 15th, 2007, 06:50 AM

yea i think the owner was a well known retired bank executive from PNB or DBP :dunno: and did some govenrment job in Ramos time... he has a catchy name ummm damn cant remember but anyway its Pareho pala not Parejo

I remember...the brand name was ATENDIDO...

MITSUBISHI filed a case(IPO) against IGRI Industries Inc, Philippines for using the name parejo
http://www.ipophil.gov.ph/ipcasesearch/IPSTATUSdetails.asp?casenoparam=3572

oyil

February 15th, 2007, 08:43 AM

^^ ^^ a combination of benz, iveco and anfra :lol:

Benz:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/MERCEDEZ%20BENZ%20G-wagon%20-%20Germany/2234649_3_full-1.jpg

IVECO:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/IVECO%20daily/B07.jpg

Anfra:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FMC%20Anfra%20-%20Philippines/459e093980fbc8110601de30c.jpg

I think its more of a combination of Benz G and Hummer H2
The H2 inspired Rooflights:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/pict.jpg
The MB G inspired fenders:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/normal_29-09-05_1714.jpg

Car-ma Kid

February 15th, 2007, 08:55 AM

Benz:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/MERCEDEZ%20BENZ%20G-wagon%20-%20Germany/2234649_3_full-1.jpg

IVECO:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/IVECO%20daily/B07.jpg

Anfra:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FMC%20Anfra%20-%20Philippines/459e093980fbc8110601de30c.jpg

I think its more of a combination of Benz G, H2, and ARO CrossLander
The H2 inspired Rooflights:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/pict.jpg

again.... I marvel at your pictures. Where do you get them? can you email larger sizes of the pic to me? Galing ng sources mo a:)

Rajah_Soliman

February 15th, 2007, 02:01 PM

txs. oyil... indeed, that russian jeep is a sythesis of these three trucks :lol: :okay:

Benz:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/MERCEDEZ%20BENZ%20G-wagon%20-%20Germany/2234649_3_full-1.jpg

IVECO:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/IVECO%20daily/B07.jpg

Anfra:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FMC%20Anfra%20-%20Philippines/459e093980fbc8110601de30c.jpg

I think its more of a combination of Benz G and Hummer H2
The H2 inspired Rooflights:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/pict.jpg
The MB G inspired fenders:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/normal_29-09-05_1714.jpg

oyil

February 15th, 2007, 05:28 PM

again.... I marvel at your pictures. Where do you get them? can you email larger sizes of the pic to me? Galing ng sources mo a:)

those pictures were...ehem..."googled". copied them to my hard drive. that's the largest res they can get. which car do you want.

heres more of that russian AUV: in the factory
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_74_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_71_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/a3.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/Derways-2.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/Derways-3.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/250602.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_70_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg

oyil

February 17th, 2007, 07:15 AM

The Russian DERWAYS Cowboy..blinged
click image to zoom
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/th_moscu-derways-3131-cowboy1.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/moscu-derways-3131-cowboy1.jpg)

People here should have noticed that...the AUV body design, which most probably was conceptualized and first applied in the Philippines, is now going globally mainstream.

India's Force Trax:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FORCE%20Trax%20-%20India/th_cruiser_classic.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FORCE%20Trax%20-%20India/cruiser_classic.jpg)

Brazil's Agralle Marrua:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AGRALLE%20Marrua%20-%20Brazil/th_img2.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AGRALLE%20Marrua%20-%20Brazil/img2.jpg)

Romania's ARO 244:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ARO%20240%20-%20Romania/244%20LUX/th_04.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ARO%20240%20-%20Romania/244%20LUX/04.jpg)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ARO%20240%20-%20Romania/244%20LUX/th_02.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ARO%20240%20-%20Romania/244%20LUX/02.jpg)

Czechoslovakia's HONKER AMC:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/th_6st.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/6st.jpg)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/th_5st.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/5st.jpg)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/th_4st.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/HONKER%20AMC%20-%20Czechoslovakia/4st.jpg)

so what are we waiting for...

Rajah_Soliman

February 17th, 2007, 02:10 PM

^^ :applause: thanks for posting those AUV looking trucks.... add to the collage the now extinct Delta Mini-Cruiser :okay:

Do you know that Spain's SEAT and the Czech Skoda are VW technologies. They are marketed (and are selling) worldwide.

Car-ma Kid

February 19th, 2007, 12:52 AM

those pictures were...ehem..."googled". copied them to my hard drive. that's the largest res they can get. which car do you want.

heres more of that russian AUV: in the factory
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_74_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_71_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/a3.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/Derways-2.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/Derways-3.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/250602.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DERWAYS%20Cowboy%20-%20Russia/norm_70_Cowboy_assembly_3131_2004_R.jpg

I want pictures of the old ford fiera's, Toyota Tamaraw's, Mitsubishi Cimarron, Nissan Bida, Delta Mini Cruiser. Even the Sakbayans and Trakbayan's. Sorta like a brief History of Filipino Cars in Pictures :)

Para sigurado tayong paabante hindi paurong ang progress natin! :lol:

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 06:31 AM

I want pictures of the old ford fiera's, Toyota Tamaraw's, Mitsubishi Cimarron, Nissan Bida, Delta Mini Cruiser. Even the Sakbayans and Trakbayan's. Sorta like a brief History of Filipino Cars in Pictures :)

Para sigurado tayong paabante hindi paurong ang progress natin! :lol:

The sakbayans were not filipino from the start.
It was known as the country buggy in Australia.

here's an article..
read the complete versionhttp://www.geocities.com/motorcity/6302/vwhist.htm

II. Volkswagen in the Philippines

III. 1. History

Brief History of VW's in the Philippines

In July 1958, DMG Inc., the exclusive assembler and distributor of Volkswagens in the Philippines started delivering VW Transporters of the Kombi Type. The following months saw the arrival of the other VW’s - the delivery vans, pick-ups and the famous Beetle made their appearance. They had 17 dealers. In 1969, they introduced the Sakbayan, considered the first Filipino car. Also introduced was the Trakbayan, a commercial vehicle. Both used the VW Type 1 engine and most of the VW components. The sporty Toro was also introduced. It had parts used by the Karmann Ghia.

In 1977, there are more than 47,000 VW’s in the country. Today, a large quantity is still running. Due to the value of the Philippine Peso against the German Deutchmark in 1980, the VW vehicles from Germany had a price disadvantage over similar Japanese cars, DMG had no other option but to cease operation.VW left the Philippine market in March 31,1981. When the local distributor closed operations, the VW car owners relied on independent importers for their spare parts. The Filipinos, known for their resourcefulness and ingenuity was able to maintain their VW’s by dismantling wrecked or junked VW’s for the reusable and recyclable parts. You should see the performance and quality of these restored and maintained cars. Soon after, a core group that shared the same VW interest started to emerge.

Volkswagen was back only in June 14, 1996 to introduce the VW Polo Classic and the Caravelle. It was no less than the President of the Philippines, Fidel V. Ramos who was the guest of honor at the launching ceremonies.
Here is his speech:

Welcoming Volkswagen: A Philippine Balikbayan

Statement of H.E. President Fidel V. Ramos
Launching of Volkswagen Models Polo Classic and
Caravelle by Exclusive Assembler and Distributor
Proton Pilipinas Corporation, Manila Polo Club,
Forbes Park, Makati City, Philippines
1730H, June 14, 1996

Introduction

With pride and pleasure, we welcome the re-entry of Volkswagen into the Philippine Automotive Market. This is a significant occasion that, I am certain, will be greeted with great joy, not only by the faithful admirers of this lovable car, but also by ordinary Filipinos who have now been afforded a wider choice in the market.

The entry of Volkswagen has been made possible by the strategic alliances Proton Pilipinas has forged with Proton, Volkswagen and Audi. I am delighted to learn that very soon Proton Pilipinas will also launch its Audi product, and within a few months, the first complete ASEAN car from the Proton Pilipinas factory in Alaminos, Pangasinan.

I commend Proton Pilipinas for taking advantage of our liberalized trade and investment policies to make these auspicious advances. With these partnerships, they are able to share and fully exploit their plant capacity, paving the way for sustainable growth and improved viability.

Promoting Industrialization

I also cite Proton Pilipinas for spearheading the industralization of the north, specifically Region One. The Proton Industrial Park in Pangasinan has become a symbol of successful collaboration, not only of business and industrial ventures on the part of two countries but of several countries. It has created new jobs, developed industrial capabilities and expanded our modernization prospects.

The Proton Industrial Park's Multi-brand complementation is not singly focused on cars, but extends as well to automotive components, aircraft assembly and overhaul, and completion centers. This makes the park a new science and technology growth center.

This dynamism took place under the guidance of Mr. Peter Y. Rodriguez, President and Chief Executive Officer of Proton Pilipinas.

A Laudable Endeavor

As we welcome Volkswagen as a major player in our car development program (CDP) and commercial vehicle development program (CVDP), we continue to encourage others to come to the Philippines which is now a prime location for business and industry. We share in Volkswagen's strategic vision of setting-up its Asia-Pacific regional vehicle export assembly and component manufacturing in the Philippines. This is a laudable endeavor to which we are happy to lend our full support.

The commitment of Proton Pilipinas and Volkswagen to this worthy endeavor heralds increased cooperation among the Philippines, Malaysia and Germany. This project is being undertaken by a multi-national team composed of people from ten countries, namely, Germany, the United States, Spain, South Africa, Singapore, Malaysia, Hongkong, China, Taiwan and the Philippines.

This spirit of cooperation and teamwork, indeed, moves the Philippines closer to economic prosperity, social equity and global competitiveness.

Thank you and Mabuhay!

DMG, the company that started the Volkswagens in the Philippines.

Mr Domingo S. Guevara, Jr. has generously answered my questions on the history of Volkswagens in the Philippines. Here are the details:

On DMG, the Company

Wilfred T. Ruiz: Who were the founding fathers?

Domingo S. Guevara, Jr: The founder of DMG Inc. is Mr. Domingo M. Guevara Sr.

WTR: What date was the VW operations of the DMG (Group of Companies) established?

DSG: The company was incorporated in 1955. Although the actual operations of the Volkswagen business started only in 1958. The original meaning of DMG was DIESEL MOTORS OF GERMANY. Its initial representation in the Philippines was that of Henschel and Hanomag diesel engines and trucks. It was only in 1958 that DMG started its assembly of COMMERCIAL vehicles or KOMBI. The BEETLE or VW 113 was eventually assembled in mid 1959.

WTR: Where was the corporate office located?

DSG: The corporate headquarters of DMG was initially housed at 53 Tanduay St., Quiapo, Manila. The first Service shop was located on Mendoza St., Quiapo, Manila.The corporate HQ was eventually transferred to the VW HOUSE corner T.M. Kalaw and Florida Str., Ermita, Manila in 1967. The assembly plant was located at the DMG-RW Compound along Libertad St., Mandaluyong City. The assembly plant was transferred to the former Ysmael Compound at 333 Rodriguez Ave., Quezon City from 1974 to 1981.

WTR: Were there foreign partners?

DSG: There were no foreign partners. Some of the minority partners in DMG Inc. were the ALVENDIA, TUASON, & SIBAL families.

WTR: What was the business structure relationship of DMG and VW Germany?

DSG: The business relationship between DMG and VW AG. was based on an EXCLUSIVE IMPORTER-DISTRIBUTOR & ASSEMBLER contract.

WTR: Were there German advisers or executives?

DSG: The first German Technical man to be assigned in the Philippines was Herr. Manfred Rullman, who helped set-up the assembly plant. The second one was Herr. Leonard Ober, who set up the service and parts operations.

On the Assembly Plant

WTR: Where were the assembly plants located?

DSG: The assembly plant was originally located in a 7 ha. property along Libertad St., Mandaluyong City and then transferred to the former Ysmael Compound along E. Rodriguez Ave. QC, from 1957 to 1974 and 1974 to 1981 respectively.

WTR: Who were the government, business and famous personalities that attended the inauguration?

DSG: The late President Diosdado Macapagal was present during the inaguration of the Libertad assembly plant.

WTR: When did the first VW roll out of the assembly line?

DSG: The first Kombi rolled out in 1957. The first BEETLE rolled out in 1959.

WTR: What was the total production for the first few months of operation?

DSG: The first 48 units of KOMBIs were assembled in the first two months of operation. The first 120 BEETLES were also assembled in two months in 1959.

WTR: What were the types of VW’s assembled here?

DSG: The types assembled were: TYPE 1 (beetles) Type 11 (kombis,single & double cabs, pick-ups and Vans, Type 111 Sedans and Variants, Brazilian Beetles, Kombis, and Passats, and our own SAKBAYANS (THE FIRST REAL FILIPINO DESIGNED AND FABRICATED VEHICLE!)

WTR: What was the total (yearly) production at its peak? What year was it?

DSG: The best year was 1970 when we built a total of 6100 vehicles and became #1 in the Philippines market.

WTR: How many workers were employed?

DSG: During our peak period, we had only about 250 employees. This was because we were purely assembling CKD units. It was only in 1975 that the Progressive Car Manufacturing Program became fully operational, thus forcing the assemblers to go into parts manufacturing or develop vendor parts manufacturers.

WTR: What VW was last assembled here?

DSG: The last models to be assembled were the Brazilian Beetle, Brazilia Sedan, Kombi and the Passat.

On Dealerships

WTR: Where was the first dealership located? When did it open?

DSG: The first dealership was opened in Manila. It was called Radiowealth Trading Corp. and had its main office at 430 Tanduay St., Quiapo, Manila. It opened in 1957 and sold the first 48 units of KOMBIs. Unfortunately, we have no recollection of the first customer.

WTR: What VW’s that were not assembled here, were ordered through DMG?

DSG: We were selling TAX FREE VW Beetles, Kharman Ghias, MIcro Buses and even Campers, mostly to Americans and foreign Embassy personnel thru our DIRECT SHIPMENT ORDER (DSO) or thru TOURIST DELIVERY program.

WTR: At its peak, how many dealerships were there?

DSG: There were basically only two dealers in Metro Manila and eight independent provincial dealers.

WTR: What companies ordered the VW’s as their fleet vehicles?

DSG: The bulk of our fleet users were the major PHARMACEUTICAL companies, TRANSNATIONAL and MULTINATIONAL companies. The "biggies" then were the ZUELLIG GROUP, CIBA-GEIGY, MARSMAN, CALTEX, GOODYEAR, GOODRICH, and UNITED LAB.

On Service Centers

WTR: Where was the first service center located?

DSG: The first service center was in Mendoza St., Quiapo, Manila

WTR: At its peak, how many service centers were there?

DSG: (Twenty Three: They are:) P.Tamo (Makati),Magsaysay Blvd.(Sta. Mesa), J.Abad Santos (Manila), Shaw Blvd. (Mandaluyong),P. Casal (Quiapo), Marikina, Baguio City, Cabanatuan City, Dagupan City, Naga City, San Fernando, Pampanga, San Pablo City. In the Visayas, we were in Cebu City, Ormoc, Bacolod City, and Iloilo City. In Mindanao, we were in Cagayan de Oro, Iligan City, Gen. Santos, Cotabato City, Butuan City, Davao and Zamboanga Cities.

On Prototypes

WTR: Are there VW prototypes? What were they? Whatever happened to them?

DSG: There were a number of prototypes made. There were five (5)different TOROS. I still see one of them parked along Kamagong St. in Makati.It is parked infront of an "ihaw-ihaw" joint, a few meters away from the AQUA VIDA outlet.I had a BEETLE-IN-BARONG TAGALOG. I left it in DMG when the company was taken over by First Manila Mgt.

On Research & Development

WTR: Who headed or manned the Research & Development Dept? Where was that department located? Where are they now?

DSG: The R & D was directly under me and my main designer was Rey (?)with the help of one carpenter, a tinsmith, a painter and an all around "go-for". It was located on the ground floor of the then admin bldg. at the DMG compound in Libertad St.The TOROS, SAKBAYAN, and TRAKBAYAN were all products of that R & D. The "go-for" at that time was Joe Lanuza, who operates a VW shop somewhere nearby. Either in Libertad or Samat St.

On Racing

WTR: What car rallies, drag races, slaloms, circuit races, etc did DMG field an entry / entries? Who were the drivers? What awards did it won?

DSG: I started the Racing team in 1962. Our main activity then was DRAG RACING and SLALOM. I have numerous trophies to show specially since I held the title of LITTLE ELIMINATOR for many racing season. We joined Rallyes in 1966 and became oveall CHAMPION in 1969. The team was headed by Henry Dyliaco and Louie del Moral. I also won the FIRST MANILA GRAN PRIX held in 1970 at the Luneta.The BEETLE won the overall championship in the 1969 Rally and I drove a Formula V when I won the Gran Prix. Our most notable driver in VW racing was Pocholo Ramirez. The two biggest motoring event we did was the TURISMO PILIPINO and THE LONDON-MANILA EXPRESS IN 1969 and 1970 respectively. The first was run in 104 hours (Zamboanga to Manila) and the latter in 79 days from London to Manila.In both instances, I was with the group and used SAKBAYANS and BEETLES. The late Ronnie Pasola was with me during the two events.Some of the guys with me then were: Loy Martinez, Willy Ingles, Freddie Masigan, the late Tony Siddayao,Tirso Aguilar, and the late Ramon Hachero.

On the present set-up of DMG with VW

WTR: What is the present set-up connection between DMG Motors Group, SM ACA and VW Germany?

DSG: DMG Motors Group is a franchise dealer for VWs & AUDIs for Metro Manila of Proton Motors. DMG MOTORS GROUP Inc. is a joint venture between the SM Group and Mr. Domingo S. Guevara Jr. There is no direct relationship between VW Germany and DMG Inc. today.

WTR: What are your future plans for VW?

DSG: To continue the dealership operations.

On VW Accessories:

WTR: Which dealerships sold EMPI accessories for VW's?

DSG: All dealers of DMG inc. sold EMPI accessories

On Advertising:

WTR: Which local advertising agency handles your account? Who are the account executives involved? For print ads? For TV and Film commercials?

DSG: Link Advertising.The Pres./GM was Loy Martinez assisted by Noel Trinidad, Frankie Lacambra, Ramon dela Rosa, Ariel Ureta and Sluggo Rigor.

The Evolution of the Sakbayan: 1968-1980

Researched by Wilfred T. Ruiz

Club Historian, Volkswagen Club of the Philippines

In 1968, the Country Buggy was imported by DMG from Australia in CKD form. This left-hand drive version was assembled here. There was no "tooling" provided for the Philippines. Soon after, the simple body was replicated easily by the Filipino engineers of DMG (the local assemblers of Volkswagen Beetles Kombis and Type IIIs).

When Australia run out of Country Buggys for export to the Philippines, DMG sourced from Germany. DMG was able to get a different design & size pans (181), engines, drive trains and other non-Philippine components. The Philippine-made body was then adapted to this new components from Germany.

Again, when Germany run out of components for export to the Philippines, DMG again sourced from Brazil. They were able to get a different pan, engine, drive train and non-Philippine components. The body was adapted again to this new components from Brazil

So, there are 3 distinct versions of these utility vehicles:

1st version - Australia-sourced

2nd version- Germany-sourced

3rd version- Brazil-sourced

The 2nd version and the 3rd version were substantially different from the 1st version, The body also had significant changes from the 1st version.

In my opinion, the terms "designed", "developed" and "adapted" can be used interchangeably in this situation.

The two later versions were really "designed" by the Filipino engineers at DMG.

Name-wise, these utility vehicles evolved from being the Country Buggy to Sakbayan 815 and finally to Sakbayan. To most Filipinos, they are all called Sakbayan

The "Country Buggy" was first advertised in 1969 with the 1300 engine.

The "Sakbayan 815" was advertised in 1972 with the 1600 engine

The "Sakbayan" was advertised in 1973 with the 1600 engine and finally advertised in 1975 with the 1500 engine.

(Note: I based the "advertising dates" on the dates appearing on my collection of magazine clippings of VW ads.)

Based on the advertisements, it could be said that the (Philippine) "Country Buggy", the "Sakbayan 815" and the "Sakbayan" were all designed for rugged country work characterized by rough farm roads, unpaved roads, as well as field work for the construction and services industries. The Philippines largest telephone company, PLDT, had at one time used a fleet of them. Even the government owned Philippine National Bank has a fleet of them.

To date, we are not certain how many Sakbayans were made. The production records of DMG were destroyed in a fire. I hope that someday, when the vehicle registration records of the Land Transportation Commission is fully computerized and made readily available to the public, I might be able to extract some data.

One thing for sure, based on the examples I have seen running or not running, the fewest is the Country Buggy, followed by the German-sourced version and comparatively most plentiful, the Brazil-sourced version.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DMG%20Sakbayan%20-%20Philippines/th_image003.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/DMG%20Sakbayan%20-%20Philippines/image003.jpg)
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brochure scan...
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more?.....http://www.members.tripod.com/thevwguru/vmnewsletters/mar2001/page1.html

Country Buggy

A kind of latter-day Kübelwagen, the 1965 through 1968 Australian-made Volkswagen Country Buggy used the Type I Beetle engine and floor pan with Type II Transporter trailing arms on the front and reduction hubs at the rear. These provided good ground clearance (230mm), a very low "stump-puller" gear ratio, and tremendous rough-country climbing ability.
Country Buggies were fitted with a 1300 cc engine as standard equipment, but a 1200 cc unit was available as an option, apparently for those who thought they couldn't handle the power. The electrical system was 6-volt. The body was designed in Australia and built from folded flat sheet steel for ease of manufacture and extreme ruggedness; strengthening ribs were included along the sides, and the very high sills prevented flooding when fording streams.
Only 1,956 Country Buggies were made, including about 400 left-hand drive examples. The sales debut was April 1 (April Fool's Day), 1965 and they were sold until October, 1968 when low sales volumes and inherent design problems prompted VW Headquarters in Germany to end production. A revenant of the
Country Buggy soldiered on in the Philippines as the Volkswagen-DMG Sakbayan.
Sakbayan A contraction of the Tagalog term "Sasakyan nang bayan". Literally, country vehicle. This Philippine-manufactured vehicle was very similar to the Australian Country Buggy. It was powered by a rear-mounted Type I engine, and sported an all-steel body with a canvas top, as seen in the drawing on the left, or with an optional, fully-weatherproof fiberglass top, shown in the photograph below (it looks kind of like a miniature Hummvee, doesn't it?). This vehicle was first introduced in 1969 as the Country Buggy with a 1300 cc engine. It was renamed the Sakbayan 815 in 1972 (1500 cc), and finally in 1973 simply as the Sakbayan (1600 cc).

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 07:35 AM

The Trakbayan probably looked like this..

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source:..http://www.bugland.be/Verschillende_Vw-types_Exoten.html#Trakbayan

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 07:49 AM

Off Topic na ba??

The VW Sakbayan was definitely Filipino. Even german websites about VW models mention and credit DMG Philippines regarding those two VW models(sakbayan, trakbayan).

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 08:24 AM

TOYOTA Tamaraw:
1st Gen:
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2nd Gen:
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3rd Gen: TAMARAW FX everybody knows how that looks like.
4th Gen: Revo
5th Gen INNOVA

Rajah_Soliman

February 19th, 2007, 12:06 PM

Off Topic na ba??

The VW Sakbayan was definitely Filipino. Even german websites about VW models mention and credit DMG Philippines regarding those two VW models(sakbayan, trakbayan).

hindi... continue feeding us with more infos.... :cheers:

Rajah_Soliman

February 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM

sakbayan was a hit then (the same as with the fmc pinoy, the cimaron, etc.) ... considering the fact that the car market then was way below the 100,000 mark (correct me if i'm wrong), in my opinion, the so-called "unpatronizing" filipino is more of a myth ... :cheers:

The sakbayans were not filipino from the start.
It was known as the country buggy in Australia.

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 05:37 PM

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 05:45 PM

in my opinion, the so-called "unpatronizing" filipino is more of a myth ... :cheers:

I guess you are right...Filipinos will buy a product if they have a use for it and if the quality level is good enough for that purpose.

Rajah_Soliman

February 19th, 2007, 06:09 PM

General Question: Can a passenger vehicle be a utility vehicle at the same time? Would you like the first Filipino car brand to be a passenger vehicle or a light truck?

1st question: why not?

2nd question: whatever oyil, i just want them to get started with this auvPhuv program... they need to come up with anything viable first and improve from there... :cheers:

oyil

February 19th, 2007, 08:07 PM

Car-ma Kid

February 20th, 2007, 02:13 AM

Answer to 1st question:
passenger vehicles need to have a comfortable ride. the springs should b soft enough. if so, it will be competing with second-hand minivans crossovers, and cars. because of this, the exterior styling becomes a major consideration to sell it.

utility vehicles are used to haul stuff, the suspension design will be different. as long as exterior styling is acceptable, big companies and small businesses will choose the PhUV to replace their current fleet. baka mas madali ibenta. then the profit should be used to improve the design to come up with a better passenger version.

Answer to 2nd question: It is a very important decision. pag di kumita, ititigil yan then tapos ang dreams ng pinoy.

Hats off to you Oyil! You seem to have a firm grasp of the local auto industry and culture as well. I have taken your advice and have started googling for Pinoy car and AUV history. But I still cannot find any info on the Kc20's, Cimarrons, Fiera's and Bida's.

I remember in the late 80's was the rise of Carter motors (AUV's) from which others such as Panther and Sterling sprang out of. But these where mainly 2nd hand chop chop assemblies with backyard type workmanship.

The early 90's also was the rise of the Renegade and wrangler type jeeps, and cavite and valenzuela "owner Jeeps". All these prospered because the japanese car companies have yet to come back. (they did so in the mid 90's na.)

I think it's important to know our past in order to avoid mistakes done and make the future better. I think you should be a consultant for the PhUV Oyil!! :banana:

oyil

February 20th, 2007, 05:53 AM

..
CASTRO:
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ASTRO
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NISSAN%20Bida%20-%20Philippines/th_ph_vehicles-1.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NISSAN%20Bida%20-%20Philippines/ph_vehicles-1.jpg)
NISSAN BIDA
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AUV%20-%20Philippines/th_bus.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AUV%20-%20Philippines/bus.jpg)
Backyard generic AUV:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AUV%20-%20Philippines/th_DSC05879.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/AUV%20-%20Philippines/DSC05879.jpg)

oyil

February 20th, 2007, 06:14 AM

it would be good if we can point out exactly what mistakes were made para maiwasan. Siguro one of it was the lack of development. A model from one brand did not change for the better. The manufacturer simply put out another model with nothing changed but the name. did you notice that the CARTER, PANTHER, BIDA, XLT looked the same from the side and rear? walang excitement. FMC ANFRA stood out as the shape is distinctively different from the backyard AUVs.

lewdsaint

February 20th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Here are another set of jeepneys wandering around Iloilo. Hope see them in Manila also, replacing dilapidated jeepneys.

[B]Jeepney Sosyal!
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/P1100687.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/P1100683.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/P1100684.jpg

^^ wow! panis ang mga jeep sa manila ... :)

oyil

February 20th, 2007, 03:18 PM

^^ Those pics prove that filipinos are really good in putting parts together and making it work. Pero to sustain a product...kailangan ng innovation or the fans will just outgrow the product. example...the honda civic started as a small car na parang kia pride. As the owners of these cars grow, their taste and lifestyle matures. To keep their loyalty, if they want a replacement for their old car, honda made the civic grow with their owners. and gain more following.

1972.............................1980............................1984.............................1995
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Another example..the toyota corolla..it developed so much that offshoot versions were turned into a completely different low-cost model(the toyota corolla tercel), so other people can still afford it.

Car-ma Kid

February 20th, 2007, 03:57 PM

Those vehicles became a hit not as personal rides but as service vehicles, school bus, delivery vans. The tamaraw was meant to be a light truck but because the ford fiera is a jeepney replacement and delta motors wants to cover the passenger service market as well, they fitted a passenger cab on it. Then came ISUZU with their KC20, FMC with their Pinoys, GM with their Harabas. The Pinoy attempted to change that by having a wagon version. I remember that it had the softest ride compared with all those old AUV's due to their specialized rear leaf springs

Today's AUVs are used more as family vehicles rather than utility. I,ve never seen an Adventure, Crosswind or Revo used as a service vehicle.

We can still see Anfras on the road mostly as company vehicles and delivery vans.

General Question: Can a passenger vehicle be a utility vehicle at the same time? Would you like the first Filipino car brand to be a passenger vehicle or a light truck?

This is a good Question! I think the PhUV should first capture the utility market. Wag na muna Family because that market is too sophisticated at present. Too many players as all the AUV's in the market is for that use already. Kung utility muna it can focus on farm to market use, or stock it up with fertilizer without feeling queezy.

Parang yung Fiera and tamaraw of the old days muna. Pang negosyo para may pangbayad sa financing. of course that is also another essential. Dapat may financing para mabili ng mga micro entreprenuers. Kasi pag may 350k ka na upfront money, you'll just opt for a second hand japanese made auv.

Kailangan talaga ng support ng government and financial institutions.

Askal82

February 21st, 2007, 03:18 AM

-dp-

Lili

February 21st, 2007, 03:27 AM

ryanr

February 21st, 2007, 03:32 AM

I will miss the traditional look of the old Sarao Jeepneys -- more colorful calesa-looking design complete with horse statues adorning the hood as well as names festooned over the roofs.

I agree...if jeepneys are gonna go down that trend, they might as well use buses instead of jeepneys for mass transit. Buses - higher capacity, more fuel efficient, less emissions per passenger. Sorry, but those new Jeepneys dont carry the Filipino tradition and cultural value that the real Sarao, etc Jeepneys have.

oyil

February 21st, 2007, 03:51 AM

I like the workmanship on those iloilo jeepneys. pwedeng-pwede i-apply sa new PhUV yung skills nila. Should PhUV production start in iloilo then? New design ha.

oyil

February 21st, 2007, 08:19 AM

does anybody here know about this?

source:http://investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=321237
WORLDSTAR Stirs Up City Hall! "Prototype Accepted"

April 1 , 2002 Manila, Philippines - A few weeks ago, mayor Joselito Atienza of the City of Manila ordered a special (Filipino-Style) WORLDSTAR vehicle to be designed, especially for use by the local Police and municipal Barangay patrols. CBN WORLDSTAR Philippines (CBN), not only designed the vehicle for the mayor, but actually finished the construction of this rather unique open air-canopy type and tropically stylish Barangay Prototype, in less than three weeks, from start to finish ! Detroit would have taken 3 years to make the same changes, as seen on the new WORLDSTAR.

Since the Mayor of Manila is such an important, highly respected, well-known public official, it was decided that two WORLDSTAR executives, should personally deliver the custom- made vehicle. They wanted to make sure the mayor's proto-type was presented to him, with every exacting specification, that he had he requested for.

Not only because it was the mayor's idea that created this uniquely Philippine vehicle, but also because he really loves the idea of the WORLDSTAR manufacturing concept as a whole; Filipinos producing vehicles for themselves and creating employment on the local level. Overall, the mayor has been most supportive of the WorldStar manufacturing concept as a whole. Vehicles produced in the Philippines, by the Filipinos for the Filipinos.

If the mayor has his way, someday every Barangay in the country will be using them.

On March 27, 2002 Manila City - Mayor Joselito Atienza, got his look at the first WORLDSTAR Barangay Model, that he personally helped to design. When the mayor heard that the vehicle was in the parking lot, awaiting his personal evaluation, he enthusiastically jumped up and went to see for himself.

To the astonishment of the WORLDSTAR Executives, following right behind the mayor was the entire staff of Manila's City Hall. In a matter of minutes, the word spread throughout the building, as most everyone left their desks jobs and came to see what all the excitement was about. When Mayor Atienza gets excited, so does everyone else !

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Manila Mayor Joselito Atienza (in red shirt) explains the attributes of his specially designed WORLDSTAR (windshield at far left) to the people of Manila, as a crowd of hundreds, look on in proud amazement, at the "Made in the Philippines" WORLDSTAR.

"I could hardly believe my eyes," said one of the pleasantly surprised executives, "but in a matter of minutes, there where hundreds of smiling Filipinos surrounding the mayor and his shiny new Barangay vehicle and all were telling him, how much they liked what he had created."

Once again, with his hard-rubber mallet in hand, the mayor tried, but failed to put a scratch on the body of the WorldStar prototype. And once again, his honor the mayor proved that the advanced technology utilized in his customized WORLDSTAR, is much stronger than any conventional vehicle.

The mayor ordered 6 units for immediate delivery. He said, he does not only think of the WORLDSTAR car as a superb automobile, but that he personally wanted to do business with WorldStar. He applauded the CBN General Business Plan of WORLDSTAR establishing more Factories producing vehicles, all over the Philippines, since it would create more jobs for the Filipinos.

So, What's a Barangay ? In the Philippines, it doesn't matter whether your talking about Regions, Provinces, Cities, or Municipalities, because they are all geographically divided up into what is known as Barangay. Each Province (or state), city/municipality is divided up into several thousands of Barangays and a city or municipality may have as many as 20 Barangays. There are approx 1,200 cities and municipalities in the Philippines, but there are more than 41,000 Barangays nationwide and it is specifically, all these Barangay that WORLDSTAR Philippines considers these to be as prime targets for their vehicles.

and this?

Micro-manufacturing makes big strides in Asia
source:http://www.auto-asia.com/asianeye/asianeye.2000.09.21.01.shtml

Worldstar MPV is a rugged composite designed specifically for emerging markets. This example was built at a recently opened factory in the Philippines. The auto industry has for years been studying how to profitably build very low volume vehicles, particularly in developing countries where a welded steel manufacturing process makes a poor business case. But the reality of expensive hard tooling, poor flexibility, costly shipping and unsold inventory has always been an insurmountable obstacle.
But in recent years, as the technology to build plastic-bodied cars has matured, new opportunities have opened up and the world's top automakers are busy developing low-cost vehicles for emerging markets. A number of smaller, independent outfits believe they are ahead of the game, however, as they are already turning out cheap, composite utility vehicles in modular micro-manufacturing plants.

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One of their leading lights is World Transport Authority, Inc. (WTA) of the US, whose target market is 189 developing nations with more than two-thirds of the world's population. WTA's has set its sights very high, targeting worldwide production of 2% of the current new vehicle market, equivalent to one million of its 'WorldStar' vehicles each year.

WTA says its micro-manufacturing facilities take only 90 days to set up and that local semi-skilled labor, properly trained, can turn out between one and three vehicles per day.

The cars themselves are simple steel and composite machines powered by the tough-as-boots Boxer engine. They can be configured as multi-passenger carriers or pickup trucks [see below for more technical details]. Raw materials and components cost the local manufacturer about US$4,000. The licensee/manufacturer adds about 100-200 hours of labor at the local rate and sets the local sales price at around US$7,000.

WTA promotes a 'Master License Program' that authorizes individual investors and/or governmental agencies to purchase and control regional site licensing for WTA modular factories. The cost of the license is based on population density in a specified region while factory licenses are issued at a set price.

INDIA

WTA, a wholly owned subisidiary of NASDAQ-listed Composite Automobile Research, has in recent months opened a micro-manufacturing facility in the Philippines and signed major deals in India and China. The India deal, inked on 13 September and worth a projected US$1.1 billion over five years, is with the Premier Skimmer Group for the supply of 315 'WorldStar' brand micro-factories and automotive components.

Premier Skimmer, an India-based conglomerate, will purchase WTA equipment, tools, and training for WorldStar assembly lines for installation throughout the Subcontinent. These assembly lines will also require parts for more than 200,000 vehicles, according to WTA. Premier Skimmer Motor Co. will start its campaign by opening WorldStar micro-factories Chennai, Bangalore, and Mumbai.

CHINA

Just six days after the Premier Skimmer deal was inked, WTA director David Yue pulled off a 'Master Licence Agreement' in China. WorldStar Auto Utility, Inc. (WSA) of China, a new company backed by several Chinese investment groups and supported by China National Automotive Industry Corporation, Industrial and Transportation Divisions of the Chinese military and the Agricultural Mechanical Department of Agricultural Ministry as well as several Beijing urban city governments.

The agreement includes a licensing fee of US$40 million wiht installment payments to WTA as factories are set up and production of Worldstar vehicles begins. Some 358 factories are are supposed to be built over a three-year period. Each will initially be set up to build one vehicle per day with the capacity to increase output to three per day once the local workforce is fully trained.

WTA reckons that gross revenues from the sale of factories and vehicle components will exceed US$900 million. Based upon the production of one vehicle per day and a steady stream of factory openings, about 175,000 vehicles should be turned out over the term of the license.

MANAGEMENT

Management will be handled by WTA's new corporate office in Beijing with assistance from head office in El Cajon, California, and an operations center in the Philippines, where WTA made its first Asian breakthrough in April.

John Tidy, a 25-year veteran of the fiberglass and composites industry, has been recruited to run the WTA's Asian business. Before joining WTA is was president and owner of Matrix Export Corp. of Bepz, Philippines, a company that in addition to a diverse product line in the fiberglass/composite field makes auto body parts for Porsche. He works closely with WTA's newly appointed chief technical officer, John Woolley, to manage product quality and training. Strategy is directed by WTA president and CEO Lyle Wardrop.

PHILIPPINES

The Philippines contract is almost a pilot project for the much bigger Indian and Chinese deals. The Salakot Multi-Purpose Co-operative signed up in April for the installation of a three vehicle per day micro-plant at Clark Field, Pampanga. It formally opened on 25 July. Salakot will assume marketing and sales responsibilities for the military, police, and selected major utility companies of the Philippines.

More importantly, Clark Field is home to a factory to build factories, which will be shipped to China and India. Factories will also be manufactured in the US by Revadec Group which has the capability to ship one micro-factory per week.

PAKISTAN

Another smaller-scale contract takes WTA into Pakistan. This time, the Master Licence was purchased by another American firm, Automotive Technology Opportunities (ATO) of Nevada. In contrast to the China and India contracts, each micro-factory will be paid for as it is built. Instead of the Master License holder receiving the US$112,500 as in a regular license sale, ATO will pay installments interest free for the purchase of the Master License over the life of the agreement. Given that WTA believes Pakistan can support 90 factories, profits of about US$10 million should accrue.

As each factory is brought on-line in Pakistan (the first is slated for Lahore), it will be retrofitted to become a three car per day facility, thereby accelerating payment of the fee for the Master License as well as increase cash flow to WTA by way of royalties (three cars per day versus one car per day per factory).

THE VEHICLE

Simplicity and durability are the name of the game in this market and WTA has engineered the Worldstar to have fewer than 500 moving parts.

The Worldstar front-engine, front-wheel-drive workhorse powered by a rugged air-cooled 1.6-liter 60ps Boxer motor using a mechanical pump carbureted fuel system. The same lump has powered Volkswagens for years and it drives through a VW four-speed manual transaxle. Average fuel consumption is around 35mpg. By operating a switch, the driver can use propane where gasoline is not readily available.

Braking is by 9-inch front discs and 8-inch rear drums. Steering is rack and pinion wiht 14 x 6 steel drums. The front suspension comprises coils over MacPherson struts anbd a lower A arm. The rear set-up is based on independent trailing arms and a torsion tube.

WorldStar has a flat one-piece undercarriage with high ground clearance. Cab entrances are located high on the body to keep out water. Access to the engine and front-end drive train are provided by two quick release levers that allow the hood and front wheel wells to tip forward thus eliminating the need for expensive tools designed to access hard-to-reach areas. Most minor repairs, WTA boasts, can be accomplished with a pair of pliers and lengths of common wire.

Car-ma Kid

February 21st, 2007, 04:35 PM

I saw the prototypes of those vehicles before. Somewhere along edsa. It looked very crude. And as far as i know, fiberglass is expensive and heavy.

that news article was 2002, I don't hear about them now. must have failed :(

Car-ma Kid

February 21st, 2007, 04:45 PM

Here's the website of the group that wants to build the PhUV:

http://www.mvpmap.com

Maybe we can help them with inputs in design and market positioning! :)

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 01:05 AM

Truck importer joins utility vehicle plan
source:http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/02/21/2359827.htm

(Manila Standard Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) Dreamco Automobile Co. Inc., the importer, manufacturer and distributor of Foton light commercial vehicles and trucks in the country, is joining the proposed Philippine Utility Vehicle Program.

The company has committed to supply the Foton diesel engine powertrain, platform and other completely knocked down parts for a PhUV prototype that the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines will develop. It will collaborate with local parts makers, particularly MD Juan Enterprises, which produces automotive bodies.

Dreamco vice president Greg Yee said the company supported the continued development of the local auto industry.

"As a matter of fact, we told MVPMAP that our commitment does not start and end with the PhUV prototype. Our company's resources can be utilized for the PhUV Program, from our state-of-the-art assembly plant at the Laguna Technopark in Sta. Rosa, Laguna, to our 18 dealers nationwide that can provide the much-needed after-sales service, parts and components for the PhUV. We are now in the process of expanding the scope and coverage of our after-sales service in our nationwide dealership so that we can better serve our potential PhUV buyers," he said.

Dreamco, a Board of Investments-registered enterprise and a member of the Truck Manufacturers Association, imports, assembles and distributes commercial vehicles from China through its network of dealers and service centers nationwide.

It is the authorized Philippine distributor of Beiji Foton Motor Co. Ltd. and Nanjing Automotive Co. Ltd. for Yuejin and Naveco commercial vehicles.

It offers brand-new commercial vehicles from 1-ton capacity (four-wheeler) to large 35 tons gross vehicle weight dump trucks to 10-wheeler tractor heads, all with full warranty coverage and after-sales support.

Motor vehicle parts association director and head of the PhUV technical working group Ferdi Raquelsantos said Dreamco's support gave the program a big boost, coming as it did just after the investments board said a draft bill was being prepared for the approval of Congress.

Copyright 2007 Manila Standard. Source: Financial Times Information Limited.

Rajah_Soliman

February 23rd, 2007, 01:10 AM

^^ does this mean we're going to have a PhuV with some chinese "blood" ? i really don't mind for as long as they can start with the project.... NOW :cheers:

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 01:15 AM

OLD NEWS but with new information ....52% local content

Autoparts makers to unveil PhUV next year [12/14/2006 ]
http://enews.ttnet.net/cgi-bin/enews.cgi?date=20061214&src=AC_a1214277.3ie&chap.html

The local automotive parts industry has finished a design for its proposed Philippine Utility Vehicle , which it expects to roll out in the first quarter of next year.

Business World (Philippines) via NewsEdge Corporation :

The local automotive parts industry has finished a design for its proposed Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV), which it expects to roll out in the first quarter of next year.

The Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers of the Philippines (MVPMAP), in a statement, said the PhUV will be a diesel-powered van with 52% local content. It will be an Asian utility vehicle built from completely knocked down kits and priced at used-car levels.

Local content to be used includes seatbelts, interiors, metal and plastic parts, radiators, tailpipes, and, "hopefully, some engine parts and power train parts," the MVPMAP said. The group is marketing the van as a multipurpose vehicle for family and business use.

The association said it hopes the introduction of a cheaper but brand- new model would spur the entire automotive sector, which is currently in the doldrums because of low consumer spending.

"I am very elated with the response and enthusiasm that the members have shown. I guess this is their way of showing their concern for the local parts industry that is threatened by a declining volume of vehicles produced from CKD kits in an auto industry with sales that have not grown for the last few years," MVPMAP President Eddie Jose said.

The program has been met with resistance from car makers who feel that it might compete with existing models and that the local content percentage is too high. They also said actual production costs could be higher as manufacturing the PhUV will entail adjustments in production lines.

<<Business World (Philippines) -- 12/14/06>>

Car-ma Kid

February 23rd, 2007, 01:33 AM

^^ does this mean we're going to have a PhuV with some chinese "blood" ? i really don't mind for as long as they can start with the project.... NOW :cheers:

I totally agree with you Rajah!! And since your from Dapitan, you remind me of Rizal who is very much like you.....makabayan!! :)

Rajah_Soliman

February 23rd, 2007, 01:36 AM

^^ :lol: :okay:

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 03:28 AM

"SOME Chinese blood" - I agree, the word SOME is true
source:http://www.cummins.com/cmi/content.jsp?siteId=1&langId=1033&menuId=2&overviewId=0&dataId=979&menuIndex=none

Cummins and Beiqi Foton Motor sign joint venture feasibility study to produce light-duty diesel engines in China

For Immediate Release
March 7, 2006

Cummins and Beiqi Foton Motor sign joint venture feasibility study to produce light-duty diesel engines in China

BEIJING - Cummins Inc. (NYSE: CMI) and China's Beiqi Foton Motor Company (Beiqi Foton) today announced they have signed a feasibility study plan for the formation of a 50/50 joint venture company to produce two types of light-duty diesel engines for use primarily in the commercial market.

Beijing Foton Cummins Engine Company will be based in Beijing and will produce two types of engines based on Cummins designs. The feasibility study is the last step before Cummins and Beiqi Foton, a publicly-traded company based in Beijing, sign the joint venture agreement, and it outlines the parameters of the partnership. The joint venture is expected to begin operation in 2006, with production starting as early as 2008.

The two companies are expected to invest capital, equipment, land and technology in the joint venture. The engines produced by the joint venture will be suitable for use in a range of applications, including light-duty commercial trucks, pickup trucks, SUVs, MPVs, small construction equipment, marine and mobile power generation.

The joint venture represents further expansion of Cummins product line in China, where the Company already is the leading foreign producer of heavy-duty diesel engines. Cummins currently does not compete in the light-duty diesel market in China.

In 2005, the light-duty truck market in China produced 860,000 units and is projected to grow at 8 percent a year for the foreseeable future. Foton, founded in 1996, is the largest producer in the light-duty truck market in China, selling more than 260,000 units in 2005. The joint venture will be the ninth production operation for Cummins in China.

The agreement was signed by John Watkins, Cummins Vice President and the President of Cummins East Asia, and Wang Hongjie, Vice Chairman of Cummins (China) Investment Co. Ltd., together with An Qingheng, Chairman of Beiqi Foton, and Wang Jinyu, General Manager of Beiqi Foton.

"This agreement is a critical next step in Cummins continuing efforts to grow in the important China market," Watkins said. "Entering the light-duty engine market with a successful partner such as Foton is consistent with our history of partnering with leading Chinese companies and with our long-term development strategy in China."

Chairman An of Foton also praised the agreement. "Foton Motor is a strong player in China's commercial vehicle industry, while Cummins represents the global power leader. The cooperation between the two powerhouses will bring us a win-win relationship."

About Foton Motor
Beiqi Foton Motor Co., Ltd., established in 1996, has quickly grown into one of China's largest producers in the commercial vehicle industry, and the leading maker of light-duty trucks. Foton's product line includes trucks with payload under 35 tons, light bus, SUV, pickup truck, medium and large buses. With 28,000 employees, Foton produced more than 310,000 vehicles in 2005.

Cummins in China
Cummins is the largest foreign investor in the China diesel engine industry. The Company's ties to the country date back to 1975 when then-CEO J. Irwin Miller led the first Cummins delegation to Beijing, making him one of the first American business leaders to seek opportunities in China.

Cummins began licensing its engine technology in China in 1981 and formed its first joint venture in the country in 1995. Today, Cummins operates more than 20 facilities in China - including eight manufacturing sites - with all areas of the Company's business represented in China. Cummins consolidated and unconsolidated sales in China have exceeded $1 billion for the past two years.

About Cummins Inc.
Cummins Inc., a global power leader, is a corporation of complementary business units that design, manufacture, distribute and service engines and related technologies, including fuel systems, controls, air handling, filtration, emission solutions and electrical power generation systems. Headquartered in Columbus, Indiana, Cummins serves customers in more than 160 countries through its network of 550 Company-owned and independent distributor facilities and more than 5,000 dealer locations. Cummins reported net income of $550 million on sales of $9.9 billion in 2005. Press releases can be found on the Web at www.cummins.com.

Information provided and statements in this release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements regarding the company's expectations, hopes, beliefs and intentions on strategies regarding the future. It is important to note that the company's actual future results could differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements because of a number of factors, including, but not limited to, general economic, business and financing conditions, labor relations, governmental action, competitor pricing activity, expense volatility and other risks detailed from time to time in Cummins Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 03:55 AM

Just a guess....

The PhUV will somehow look like these>>>click image to enlarge..
1)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_zy-qt4b.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/zy-qt4b.jpg)2)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_zy-ga3b.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/zy-ga3b.jpg)
3)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_yueye-2046.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/yueye-2046.jpg)4)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_yueye-2045.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/yueye-2045.jpg)
5)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_dy-A35.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/dy-A35.jpg)6)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_dl-A42.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/dl-A42.jpg)7)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/th_cp-sy-zt001.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/NAVECO%20Vans/cp-sy-zt001.jpg)

AH-7Raja

February 23rd, 2007, 04:11 AM

They look good, but I will miss the traditional look of the old Sarao Jeepneys -- more colorful calesa-looking design complete with horse statues adorning the hood as well as names festooned over the roofs.

Those local passenger vehicles can actually be converted into a nice long-based vans or utility vehicles by modifying its side with the installation of 2 power-sliding doors and a rear hatch door.

As for me, i really dont like to see these passenger jeepneys or those similar of it, plying around our country. To me, they're only good at being a tourist-shuttle vehicles serving only our tourist spots/theme parks.

We need an advance bus transportation and electric street cars or more subways to serve our public, and not with these trashy crappy old shits. :)

Car-ma Kid

February 23rd, 2007, 10:16 AM

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 11:09 AM

car-ma, you chose the military applications of those vehicles. 4x4 yan.

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 12:56 PM

FYI - Dreamco makes the FOTON Gordox <- an L300 look-alike

Local firm assembles China truck
source:http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2006/09/15/BSNS2006091574483.html

Dreamco Automobile Company, Inc. completes the local assembly of their first batch of Forland Gordox light trucks. Forland Gordox is a light commercial vehicle/truck manufactured by Beiqi Foton Motor Co., Ltd. (wholly-owned subsidiary of Beijing Motor). The knocked down (KD) components together with some locally manufactured component parts are assembled by Dreamco Automobile Co. in Sta. Rosa, Laguna. This model was first introduced to the Philippine market during the 2006 China Machinery and Electronic Product Exhibition held last Jun 6-9 at the World Trade Center in Roxas Blvd. On Sept. 18, 2006, Mr. Zhou Liang (Ph.d), president of Foton Overseas Enterprises and Vice President of Beiqi Foton Motor Co., Ltd. will come to the Philippines to witness the first batch of Forland Gordox rolling out of the assembly line. Forland Gordox comes with a one year or 30,000 km warranty. It is currently available and sold through a network of 18 dealers and eight sub-outlets nationwide. With a very reasonable selling price of R350,000.00 (cab-chassis), the Forland Gordox is definitely the affordable partner for the small and medium size enterprises.

click images to enlarge.....
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/th_brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_t-2.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_t-2.jpg)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/th_brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_t-1.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_t-1.jpg)http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/th_brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_type.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FOTON%20Gordox%20-%20China_Phils/brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_type.jpg)
pic source:http://www.esale.ph/other/brand_new_foton_gordox_jeepney_type_body_china_m_2847.htm

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 12:58 PM

Di kaya mag-mukhang L300 yung PhUV!!!!

Car-ma Kid

February 23rd, 2007, 08:11 PM

I chose those models because they look the simplest to make. My idea of the PhUV is a back to basics, no-frills utility vehicle that we (Filipinos) are capable of making. Not a hi-tech space age jetson's vehicle wanna-be.

Thanks for the choices Oyil. Can we have more?! :banana:

terrapinoy

February 23rd, 2007, 08:19 PM

How about something like the Opel Vivaro. For me it is stylish enough, but with lots of utilitarian possibilites.

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/17162_1153913219988.jpg

oyil

February 23rd, 2007, 09:29 PM

I found it!!

1977 FORD Fiera:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FORD%20Fiera%20-%20Philippines/th_FORD_FIERA.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/FORD%20Fiera%20-%20Philippines/FORD_FIERA.jpg)

ISUZU KC20:
Its the first vehicle(blue) at the lower right hand corner of the picture..
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ISUZU%20KC20%20-%20Philippines/th_ISUZU_KC20.jpg (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/OyiL/VEHICLES/ISUZU%20KC20%20-%20Philippines/ISUZU_KC20.jpg)

oyil

February 24th, 2007, 05:03 AM

LCV maker wants to help build Pinoy utility vehicle
source:http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=67802

By MA. ELISA OSORIO

The Philippine Star

Dreamco Automobile Co. Inc., importer, manufacturer and distributor of Foton light commercial vehicles (LCV) and trucks, has expressed interest in helping build the Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV), a program of the Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) that aims to build affordable vehicles.

In a statement, Dreamco vice-president Greg Yee said they are supportive of initiatives to develop the local auto industry. Dreamco has committed to supply the Foton diesel engine powertrain, platform and other CKD parts for a PhUV prototype that MVPMAP will develop.

"We told MVPMAP that our commitment does not start and end with the PhUV prototype. Our company’s resources can be utilized for the PhUV program, from our state-of-the-art assembly plant at the Laguna Technopark in Sta. Rosa, Laguna, to our 18 dealers nationwide that can provide the much-needed after-sales service, parts and components for the PhUV," he said.

Dreamco, a BOI-registered assembler and a member of the Truck Manufacturers Association (TMA) is importing, assembling & distributing commercial vehicles from China through its network of dealers and service centers nationwide. It is the authorized Philippine distributor of Beiji Foton Motor Co. Ltd and Nanjing Automotive Co. Ltd. for its Yuejin and Naveco commercial vehicles.

MVPMAP director and head of the PhUV technical working group Ferdi Raquelsantos said Dreamco’s support gives the program a big boost.

Earlier, another car assembler, Francisco Motors, a 100% Filipino owned company that pioneered in jeep and pickup truck manufacturing, expressed its support for the project.

Raquelsantos explained that the prototype of Dreamco will be different from the model of Francisco Motors."This means that any assembler could have his own version of the vehicle, in much the same way as in the defunct People’s Car Program, just as long as the participant meets all the criteria set under the program," he explained.

To drum up interest in the project, Raquelsantos said they will ask the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to exempt car assemblers and parts makers from excise tax. He said they will submit a proposal before the tri-partite PhUV technical working group (TWG) composed of representatives from the car assemblers, parts makers and the BOI.

Raquelsantos said the incentives will extend to the buyers of PhUVs as the new brand of vehicles will be affordable to the consumers. Latest data show annual industry data going flat for a period of eight years while completely built units (CBU) importation is increasing. CBU units do not have local parts and labor in them.

Aside from excise tax exemption, Raquelsantos said they will likewise ask for lower fuel prices and duty free importation among others.

"Among the proposals to be forwarded are the exemption from excise tax for the PhUV similar to those given to the jeeps and trucks, income tax holidays, duty-free importation of raw materials and machinery, reduced fuel prices for buyers similar to those extended to the public utility jeepneys (PUJs), reduced PhUV LTO registration and a government-led retail financing to make the PhUV affordable," he expounded.

Also, Raquelsantos said they will also ask the regulators to give more incentives in the form of additional excise tax reduction for PhUV units that can run using alternative fuel like ethanol (E5 or E10) or biodiesel. They will also push for the government’s strict implementation of the Clean Air Act and the Motor Vehicle Inspection System to ensure a vehicle’s safety, roadworthiness and compliance to environmental standards.

oyil

February 24th, 2007, 05:18 AM

Car-ma Kid

February 24th, 2007, 08:32 AM

The PhUV will look distinctly different from AUV design.

Now we know that there will be 2 models - FMC and Dreamco. kanya-kanya na!

Its a free for all. anybody can make a PhUV as long as they follow the rules. That means there might be TOYOTA, MITSUBISHI, ISUZU, HONDA, NISSAN, or FORD PhUV. Who knows, pure Chinese PhUV might just become the leader, they're just around the corner and are grabbing every opportunity to build a new model that will make China a known automobile brand.

The China models will definitely drive down the prices. much like what happened with the motorcycle industry. This would be good for the general public.

Then I wouldnt be surprised if the japanese carmakers jump in to join the bandwagon with more expensive versions of their own.

I don't even mind if an Indian version is introduced. Check this out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/24/wcar24.xml

Indians await the £1,000 family car
Amrit Dhillon in Delhi, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:36am GMT 24/12/2006

A quintessential sight on India's roads – a mother, father, two children and a baby all squashed on to the family scooter – is set to vanish into history with the arrival of a new, ultra-low-cost car.

Rolling off the production lines next year for just £1,000, the budget runabout will be within the reach of tens of millions of Indians who until now could only afford a motor scooter.

The Indian car giant, Tata Motors, is developing the vehicle amid great secrecy and claims it will be available in four or five-seater versions with an engine of just 30 horse power – a similar capacity to the average motorbike, and less than half that of a Ford Fiesta.

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The project has alarmed environmentalists, who argue that the last thing that India's choked roads and notoriously polluted cities need is yet more cars. But the question pre-occupying most potential buyers is not its carbon emission levels, nor how it has been so cheaply made, but what it will look like.

Will it be a chariot with which to impress a would-be girlfriend? Or will it look more like a souped-up bullock cart? Given that it will cost only around £300 more than the average motorised rickshaw, many have their doubts.

"If they manage to make it for that price – and meet emission and safety norms – it will be an extraordinary achievement," said motoring columnist Murad Ali Baig.

Ravi Kant, managing director of Tata Motors, insists that the closely guarded prototypes of the car look "unexpectedly fabulous". But despite public curiosity, the company has declined to give out even the faintest hint of how the final model will look, for fear of rivals rushing out copycats.

India has only about 10 cars per 1,000 of its 1.1 billion population, compared with Britain's 445 per 1,000. There are just 11.7 million cars on Indian roads, but that figure is increasing by a million each year, thanks to the country's skyrocketing economy.

Ratan Tata, 69, the chairman of the family-owned company, believes he has hit upon a "dream" design, which, if successful, will inject even more dynamism into India's economy by giving millions of people independent means of travel around their vast country. "If you could position an all-weather car that was not a glorified scooter or a stripped-down car, then I believe there is a market potential for one million cars a year," he said recently.

Syed Khalid Ali, 28, a computer engineer and scooter owner, is the kind of middle-income earner who may now be about to move to four wheels.

"Anyone will buy a car if it costs only double what a scooter costs," he said. "It's safer for the whole family.

"But it has to be fuel-efficient, otherwise people like me won't be able to run it."

A previous car revolution took place in India in 1983, when the Maruti 800 – dubbed the "people's car" – hit the streets, pushing off cumbersome old fossils such as the Hindustan Ambassador, which was based on the British-made Morris Oxford.

Costing £2,600 and with good fuel economy, the 800cc, three-cylinder Maruti helped get the middle classes on the road, but was still too costly for many. Five million have been sold.

The sense of excitement surrounding the new Tata model is not shared by the environmental lobby, which points to alarming research showing dangerously high levels of pollution. Delhi is among the dirtiest cities in Asia, with air quality far below World Health Organisation limits.

A 2004 report by the Chittaranjan National Cancer Institute showed that two out of every five residents in the capital suffered from lung, liver or genetic disorders caused by pollution.

"It will be a total disaster," said Anumita Roychoudhury, an associate director at the Centre for Science and the Environment in New Delhi. "One person dies every hour in Delhi from air pollution-related diseases and most Indian cities have pollution levels that are twice the permissible limits."

Sudhir Bisht, a Delhi resident, said: "India doesn't need more cars. It needs better public transport."

Through the Rover Group, Tata Motors already exports a £6,300 small hatchback, the Indica, to Britain, which is sold for £6,300 under the brand name CityRover.

But despite extensive interests in Britain – Tata owns Tetley Tea and is bidding for the steel giant Corus – the company said it had no plans to market its latest innovation to British drivers.

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