http://www.jtfg.sk/

http://www.jtfg.sk/img/rd/mp/tower_city/2_big.jpg

http://www.jtfg.sk/img/rd/mp/tower_city/1_big.jpg

Pražská štvrť Holešovice sa v súčasnosti mení. Projekt
v pôvodne priemyselnej zóne v Holešoviciach bude architektonicky príťažlivý komplex budov. Najväčšiu časť nového komplexu Tower City Holešovice budú tvoriť luxusné bytové jednotky a časť priestoru je vyčlenená na komerčné využitie, dôraz je však kladený aj na kultúrne a športové využitie. Nové Holešovice budú plniť v mozaike Prahy dôležitú úlohu.

Celková plánovaná úžitková plocha: 95 000 m2
Plánované dokončenie 2015
Plánované investičné náklady: 177 mil. EUR

nice:banana: J&T finally updated their website

original name (City Tower - Tower City lol)

haha, they must be kidding, skyscrapers in Holešovice? :lol:
Rubbish, foget it.

yeah it also sounds strange to me.. Prague is against skyscrapers :(

nice:banana: J&T finally updated their website

original name (City Tower - Tower City lol)

I am sure City Tower is sth different and ... BETTER

http://www.ecm.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/1_7965253744d73c5cbacb7.jpg

yeah it also sounds strange to me.. Prague is against skyscrapers :(

not generally, but in Holešovice for sure...

Kdyby to postavili jak lze přibližně odhadnout z prvního obrázku, tak by se to na horizontu uplatnilo asi takhle...

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4759/nepojmenovan1jy4.jpg

..nebo takhle...
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9348/b012bf5.jpg

Very nice and modern design. :okay:

Renderings were made by cmc-architects

http://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_14762635114551b10208944.jpg.
http://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_7152613834551b12f9a452.jpg

It's probably this area in Holešovice

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2738/05mf8.jpg

I don't like this design to tell the truth but it may well be modified yet.

I don't like this design to tell the truth but it may well be modified yet.

imo its much better than any project in Bratislava :)

^ Really? I wouldn't say that at all.
Moreover I can't imagine city would allow to build skyscrapers so close to the centre. This project is just rough draft for now, the only positive thing is someone want to build something in Holešovice, because it's quite devastated and derelict district.

Hezký design, špatná lokalita,neví někdo kolik má mít ten projekt pater a jak bude stavba vysoká? Odhaduju to na 35 pater a 125 metrů:cheers:

nice project...this kind of desing finaly comming to Central and East Europe..I mean finally money is not limit factor!
Same kind of building become to be build in Leeds (UK)..starting date : spring 07

According to czech economic weekly Euro, it should have 42 floors...:nuts:
http://cesko.ihned.cz/c6-10084490-20634270-002000_d-euro-j-t-chce-v-praze-postavit-mrakodrapy-o-42-patrech

These guys from J&T must be kidding, they must know so high building in this area will be never allowed. Or they intend to bribe all city officials?

here's the whole article (in czech) about Tower City in Holešovice and other projects there as well http://www.euro.cz/id/czseq556qs/detail.jsp?id=84653

My photos I took yesterday

Lighthouse and Tokovo
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3681/p1090812yq3.jpg.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5240/p1090815ku4.jpg.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5339/p1090820mc5.jpg

Very nice. Great architecture.

good new pics ...Kokpit aka Mr. Hackman

^ yeah, call me Jimmy 'Popeye' Doyle :D

article about project in MF DNES
http://zpravy.idnes.cz/architekti-vztycili-u-centra-prahy-dva-mrakodrapy-fwp-/praha.asp?c=A070319_100637_praha_bar

and one more sketch
http://i.idnes.cz/07/032/maxi/VOT19c85f_Nejvyssi_budova.jpg

I don't know if I like it.... 2x 150m+ sounds great, Holesovice could be something like the "Manhattan of Prague" .I don't like to use this sentence :lol:

http://www.dalnice.com/fotogal/r08/model_holesovice_napojeni.jpg


But maybe it's too near to the historical centre of Prague :ohno:

I think the same, it's too close. And I don't like the design.

I guess nothing is going on in Holešovice.

interesting article
http://www.praha24.net/aktualne/clanek/mrakodrapy-tower-city-brzy-omladi-holesovice/

^ Really? I wouldn't say that at all.
Moreover I can't imagine city would allow to build skyscrapers so close to the centre. This project is just rough draft for now, the only positive thing is someone want to build something in Holešovice, because it's quite devastated and derelict district.

I wouldn't agree that Holešovice as a district is devastated or derelict. Parts are badly affected by the massive traffic passing through, but there should be some relief with the city ring. This seems to be near Libeňský most which is underdeveloped, if for a reason, this is prime flooding territory.

Prague, unlike many similar European cities, has neglected to develop a living waterfront, a pedestrian route for the city and tourists alike, with a mix of shopping, public life, and nature. Holešovice would benefit from that, not a highrise.

I don't mind highrises, I would probably be at the wrong forum if I did, but it would be at the wrong place for the reasons given, and for transport reasons. This is about as far as you can get from a metro station in the city centre, and more traffic is not what Holešovice needs, the tram lines would be unlikely to be up to the needs. Palmovka station would be as close to the centre as this could work, but really it should be elsewhere. Letňany maybe?

Letňany maybe?

Highrises are being built in places where land is precious. That's why they belong to high density areas of wider central zones like Holešovice, Libeň, Pankrác etc. To build them in the middle of fields somewhere in Letňany is sheer stupidity. Not to mention Letňany district is 100 m higher than Holešovice, so the impact on Prague skyline might have been actually bigger than in Holešovice (not necessarily a bad thing).

Imho Holešovice is one of the better locations for skyscrapers in Prague. Skyscrapers have been planned there for ages (since 1920s). The location doesn't collide with the historical skyline and the infrastructure there is sufficient (you don't need the capacity of metro to service a skyscraper: see Warsaw or Frankfurt, cities that can support 200+ m skyscrapers without proper metro networks).

I appreciate J&T's effort to bring up discussion about skyscrapers in Prague - a city where majority of people fears modern architecture and thinks it doesn't belong but commie districts and the city council is made up from architecture and urban planning (among other) ignorants who unfortunately happen to be arrogant too and absolutely dismiss any expert opinion (metro A prolongation, National library etc.). I even like the crystalic design of the study and I'm absolutely positive the 33f/120m medium version would nicely fit in the place.

Btw project presentation (http://www.cmc-architects.cz/projects/detail2.php?pid=110&ocat=7&iid=424) on the architect's website including a short video (http://www.cmc-architects.cz/projects/video_window.php?vid=4).

http://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_14762635114551b10208944.jpghttp://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_20414728804551b14742e90.jpg
http://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_22121466d3810a2812.jpghttp://www.cmc-architects.cz/admin/user_img/projects/big/110_2958466d38391d26b.jpg

http://www.dalnice.com/fotogal/r08/model_holesovice_napojeni.jpg

This looks very good!!! Renovation of Prague-Bubny railway station area, in particular... Just, eh, where are the Tower City Skyscrapers then?

I know that this is thread about highrises in Holešovice, but when we're talking about it, I remembered one article in Stavebnictví magazine. It was about an urbanistic study of Holešovice district. Here you've got som pics:

http://www.casopisstavebnictvi.cz/UserFiles/File/0802/30-situace-a_velka.jpg
http://www.casopisstavebnictvi.cz/UserFiles/File/0802/30-situace-b_velka.jpg
http://www.casopisstavebnictvi.cz/UserFiles/Image/0802/30_var_a.jpg
http://www.casopisstavebnictvi.cz/UserFiles/Image/0802/30_var_b.jpg

whole article is here: http://www.casopisstavebnictvi.cz/clanek.php?detail=613

vlker:

Thanks for interesting pics and a model. Both look very good. I would prefer the second one, though (better new tram lines) :cheers:.

Btw., what is the big red "kulturni pamatka" in the middle of Holesovice on the first picture? Am confused...

Btw., what is the big red "kulturni pamatka" in the middle of Holesovice on the first picture? Am confused...
It's some old factory: http://www.mapy.cz/#x=133107536@y=136028336@z=16@mm=FP@sa=s@st=s@ssq=praha@sss=1@ssp=120640421_123455361_150459301_149899137 maybe powerplant according to street names... They want probably to revitalise this brownfield

^ Yes, this is the powerstation, but I believe ov_79 meant the other - this one:
http://www.e-architekt.cz/prispevky/mz-0421-xl.JPG

It's railroad workshop. More images on e-architekt.cz (http://www.e-architekt.cz/index.php?PId=808&KatId=26).

Personally I don't believe it will be saved, the pressure on building up this area is too high and it occupies too much space. So it will probably have the same fate as the old Tatra Smíchov factory - only part of a front wall is left standing.

Highrises are being built in places where land is precious. That's why they belong to high density areas of wider central zones like Holešovice, Libeň, Pankrác etc. To build them in the middle of fields somewhere in Letňany is sheer stupidity. Not to mention Letňany district is 100 m higher than Holešovice, so the impact on Prague skyline might have been actually bigger than in Holešovice (not necessarily a bad thing).

Imho Holešovice is one of the better locations for skyscrapers in Prague. Skyscrapers have been planned there for ages (since 1920s). The location doesn't collide with the historical skyline and the infrastructure there is sufficient (you don't need the capacity of metro to service a skyscraper: see Warsaw or Frankfurt, cities that can support 200+ m skyscrapers without proper metro networks).Letňany was just an off-hand reference to the recent metro extension (http://my.opera.com/jax/blog/shiny-shiny-metro) and the attendant question of what it is good for. An extended Tower City there could be interesting, but you're right that it would be unlikely to be profitable, even though skyscrapers in part are for show.

Yes, a skyscraper can be serviced by cars, but I don't think either Warsaw or Frankfurt are good models for what Prague should be, and particularly not Holešovice which has traffic problems enough as is. Thus Pankrác or Dlouhá Míle (if the metro is to be built, there is no reason not to take advantage of that, it would have strategic location near the airport, the metro, and the outer ring) are better options than either Holešovice or Letňany.

Dlouhá Míle :?

Once again then:

To build them in the middle of fields ... is sheer stupidity

if the metro is to be built

Another metrofetishist?

There are many other efficient and much cheaper means of transportation like trams for example.

Besides there is another way how to manage transportation needs. It's called proper urban planning.

A stupid urban planner would place high capacity buildings on periphery (say Dlouhá Míle) forcing all the city to commute there (an even stupider one would build an expensive and useless metro line there first, then thought about how to make some good of it, then concieved an idea of building there a skyscraper, only to see that people use their cars to get there, because travel times by public transportation are too high /half an hour from central Prague!!!/ and there are nice motorways next to it).

A smart one would place such buildings somewhere closer to its users. A place in walking distance from several metro stations and with tram connections in several directions. Like Holešovice. And then used the spare money for something actually useful. For instance a metro line where there is an actual demand for it (a semicircular metro E serving eg Holešovice comes to mind for example).

:?
Another metrofetishist?

Well, I do not think anyone who ask skyscraper city to be built next to a metro station is a metrofetishist :wink2:. And I would like to see Prague to be similar to any European City but Warsaw.


There are many other efficient and much cheaper means of transportation like trams for example.

Yes there are. But the number of work positions of five skyscrapers is larger than capacity of three or four tram lines during peak time. It depends, how extensive those skyscrapers are to be.


Besides there is another way how to manage transportation needs. It's called proper urban planning.

Agree. Unfortunately, recent Prague considers only a profit. Literally nothing else :bash:.


A stupid urban planner would place high capacity buildings on periphery (say Dlouhá Míle) forcing all the city to commute there

Hmmm... If you make work places on a periphery, you just make an opposite centre-periphery people stream, which may make the periphery-centre main stream weaker and more comfortable.


(an even stupider one would build an expensive and useless metro line there first, then thought about how to make some good of it, then concieved an idea of building there a skyscraper, only to see that people use their cars to get there, because travel times by public transportation are too high /half an hour from central Prague!!!/ and there are nice motorways next to it).

Half an hour center-periphery by metro. Well, 25 minutes :), Rome would love most of their population to get to work in 25 min... Holesovice is more than half an hour by tram from many places in Prague (most of potencial employees do not live in the center as almost noone lives there anymore). For those, for who half an hour is too much and will use a car, Dlouhá Míle is better than Holešovice. A periphery such as Dlouhá Míle is reachable by city road bypass, while drivers to Holešovice would jam the city.


A smart one would place such buildings somewhere closer to its users. A place in walking distance from several metro stations and with tram connections in several directions. Like Holešovice. And then used the spare money for something actually useful. For instance a metro line where there is an actual demand for it (a semicircular metro E serving eg Holešovice comes to mind for example).

First...
Dlouhá Míle, as your example goes, is supposed to be connected by trams as well (extansion from Divoká Šárka).

Second...
I would prefer to built skyscrapers closer to the city center beacause they are city elements, not countryside elements. I agree with you here.

Nevertheless, I would built them closed to a metro station and a wide road:
Brownfields of Prague 9 (Vysočanská, Kolbenova metro stations)...
...in Prague 5 (Jinonice metro station; brownfields)...
...Prague 6 (Liboc brownfields if metro towards the airport goes there instead of Motol, Bílá Hora...)

Once again then: To build them in the middle of fields ... is sheer stupidity

Another metrofetishist?

There are many other efficient and much cheaper means of transportation like trams for example.

Besides there is another way how to manage transportation needs. It's called proper urban planning.

A stupid urban planner would place high capacity buildings on periphery (say Dlouhá Míle) forcing all the city to commute there (an even stupider one would build an expensive and useless metro line there first, then thought about how to make some good of it, then concieved an idea of building there a skyscraper, only to see that people use their cars to get there, because travel times by public transportation are too high /half an hour from central Prague!!!/ and there are nice motorways next to it).

A smart one would place such buildings somewhere closer to its users. A place in walking distance from several metro stations and with tram connections in several directions. Like Holešovice. And then used the spare money for something actually useful. For instance a metro line where there is an actual demand for it (a semicircular metro E serving eg Holešovice comes to mind for example).

Dlouhá Míle may prove to be more valuable real estate than Holešovice. Holešovice may be next to the Old Town, but Dlouhá Míle is next to the airport, which for business can be considerably more valuable. Just look to developments in other cities/airports in Europe. On the other hand of course it makes it less attractive for residentals, and there may be upper boundaries for the height. It will have excellent transportation by car, including a parking, as well as public transport by train, metro, tram, and bus.

Am I a metrofetishist? Not as such, but when it comes to traffic it has several admirable properties. It has very high throughput, it is fast, and it is underground for valuable real estate. I am not that keen on the extension of line A, a line D matters more, but personally as a heavy user of the airport, less now, it would definitely have been nice to have now. Going to the airport all that matters to me is speed, I don't lug any baggage around, and the metro line is supposed to go through all parts of Prague 6 and the train is low-speed. So I would shave off a few minutes with the metro, save nothing with the train, and a tram would actually be slower than today. Nice for the tourist though,and in the end Prague is a tourist town.

Traffic matters, both for the people travelling to work and for the people living in between. I would not want Prague to get US style edge cities, a higher density city is preferrable. But I believe you are wrong on the traffic patterns. Very few people live in Holešovice. I didn't find a number, but Prague 7 (including Bubeneč and Letná) has 40516 inhabitants. The traffic to a skyscraper would come from the outside, a good part from outside Prague. Having it in e.g. Dlouhá Míle would reduce, not increase traffic. The much smaller buildings in Pankrác have the South City and good metro connections.

I'm not saying that there couldn't be high buildings in Holešovice, near the railway station or north near the city ring could be possible locations, though they might have to be less tall (and hopefully less ugly). I also think a building should add to the neighbourhood, not subtract from it, no matter the size and I see little that indicates that this building would do so.

I think Holešovice may become one of the most important districts for construction in this century, and I hope this job will be done well.

The project was modified, but it still looks strange...
http://i.idnes.cz/10/022/maxi/WEB31364b_jatTower_City_Holesovice.jpg

Vypadá to, že projekt byl nedávno prodán... Tak by se možná mohlo uvažovat i o staré variantě. Zdroj zde. (http://www.archiweb.cz/news.php?action=show&id=12379&type=1)

Ale kdyby se postavila alespoň ta nižší...