Hon Hai tăng thêm 4 tỉ USD đầu tư vào Việt Nam
09:57' 05/03/2007 (GMT+7)
Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd. (Foxconn) có trụ sở tại Đài Loan đã thông báo tăng thêm 4 tỉ USD đầu tư vào Việt Nam, nâng tổng vốn đầu tư lên thành 5 tỉ USD, theo tin Emsnow (Anh).




Chủ tịch Tập đoàn gia công lớn nhất Đài Loan, Terry Guo, đã từng cam kết sẽ xem xét tăng vốn đầu tư vào Việt Nam khi ông này ký kết một ý định thư với chính phủ Việt Nam trong tháng trước. Trước đó, Hon Hai thông báo đầu tư 1 tỉ USD để xây dựng công viên công nghệ cao quy mô lớn ở tỉnh Bắc Ninh.

Theo thông báo, vốn đầu tư gia tăng sẽ được sử dụng để xây dựng nhiều công viên công nghệ cao, những dự án phát triển đô thị. Hon Hai sẽ sản xuất camera số, máy quay phim, điện thoại di động và phụ kiện, bộ kết nối, vỏ máy tính cá nhân... trong các công viên công nghệ. Công ty này cũng sẽ xây dựng dây chuyền lắp ráp máy tính cá nhân trong các công viên này.

Với số vốn đầu tư lớn, Hon Hai trở thành nhà đầu tư lớn nhất nước ngoài tại Việt Nam. Chính phủ Việt Nam cũng đã cam kết sẽ dành cho đại gia sản xuất Đài Loan những điều kiện thuận lợi để phát triển.

Tốc độ tăng trưởng kinh tế của Việt Nam những năm gần đây đã thu hút rất nhiều sự chú ý của các công ty đa quốc gia gồm Intel, Samsung, Sony, NEC, và Cannon trong việc thành lập các cơ sở sản xuất ở đây. Quốc gia với 84 triệu dân này thậm chí còn được so sánh với Trung Quốc đại lục về tỉ lệ tăng trưởng thần kỳ. Năm ngoái là 8,2%. Cũng trong năm trước, thị trường chứng khoán Việt Nam đạt mức tăng trưởng 145%.

Trong vòng hai tháng, Chủ tịch Hon Hai đã hoàn tất kế hoạch đầu tư 1 tỉ USD vào Việt Nam sau khi có thư giới thiệu của Chủ tịch Morris Chang thuộc Công ty gia công bán dẫn Đài Loan (TSMC), một trong những người bạn thân của ông. Ông Chang đã gửi thư giới thiệu tới bạn mình sau khi tới Việt Nam tham dự Hội nghị APEC.

Most of you probably already know about this but for those who don't know read this:

Vietnam FDI inflow could reach $20 bln this year


Foreign direct investment in Vietnam is likely to double to $20 billion this year with many large, viable projects awaiting licenses, the government has said.
Minister of Planning and Investment Minister Vo Hong Phuc told the opening session of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee meeting in Hanoi on Monday that investors from Europe, Japan, the Republic of Korea, and the US had a long list of projects.

If appraisal and licensing took place smoothly, the $20 billion mark could be reached, he said.

The Foreign Investment Department has received many large proposals in just the first two months. In Hanoi, for instance, Malaysia’s Gamuda has sought to build a $1 billion complex of hotels, convention centers, and office and apartment blocks.

Japan’s Riviera has also sought a license to build a five-star hotel at more than $500 million.

In the northern Vinh Phuc province, Taiwan’s Compell wants to build a $500 million electronic equipment plant, while South Korean investors want to put up a $500 million horse racing track.

Taiwan’s Foxconn group is seeking to invest a massive $5 billion to develop a technology complex to make hi-end electronic products in the northern provinces of Bac Ninh and Bac Giang.

GDP growth

If the FDI inflows were as high as expected, Phuc said gross domestic product (GDP) growth rate this year would reach 8.5 percent against a targeted 8.2-8.5 percent.

To achieve the targets, the government would continue to bolster the economy’s market orientation, with focus on the legal system, speeding up administrative reform, and improving the efficiency of the state apparatus.

It would also initiate more effective measures against corruption and squander, practice thrift, and increase transparency in use of land, public assets, and budget resources, and in equitization of state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

This year 550 SOEs would be turned into shareholding companies, including some major ones in sectors like insurance and banking.

They would also be listed on the stock market.

The government would initiate measures to revive the property market, piloting property trading exchanges initially in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, and later expanding them.

Readjust prices, cut oil price subsidy

This year the government would continue to strengthen policies for monitoring prices of essential items and services and controlling speculation.

It would directly regulate the prices of some items like electricity, diesel, and vaccines.

Minister of Finance Vu Van Ninh said this year the government would adopt market policies for the cement, steel, iron, fertilizers, paper, coal (except coal supplied for power plants) sectors.

It would withdraw subsidies on petrol prices.

Tax on securities trading

Spelling out measures to regulate the stock market, Ninh said this year the government would ensure its steady growth.

It would soon issue documents to guide enforcement of the Law on Securities and policies to encourage development of the stock market and regulate the flow of capital.

It would also impose capital gains tax on profit from stocks, especially on short-term trading, and restructure the securities market up to international standards.

The government would also improve practices on the over-the-counter market, he said.

uhm it should be 12 not 20 billions lol.. 20 billions is crazzzzy

Are you sure it is $20 Billion?

It should be $12 Billion, right?

LOL http://ecolorpostcards.com/joke.html



I do mean 20 Billion. Check on the Thanh Nien website

just look http://postcardsbargain.com/clip.html

Thứ tư, 7/3/2007, 17:36 GMT+7

Hơn 20 tỷ USD đang ngấp nghé VN

Theo Cục Đầu tư nước ngoài, Bộ Kế hoạch Đầu tư, chỉ tính 13 dự án có quy mô vốn lớn đang trong giai đoạn xúc tiến, chuẩn bị đầu tư, số vốn lên tới 20,2 tỷ USD, gấp đôi kết quả của cả năm trước.
>Đón VIP đến đầu tư


Mô hình công viên Yên Sở trong dự án của Tập đoàn Gamuda. Ảnh: The Star.
Dưới đây là những dự án lớn đang "ngấp nghé" Việt Nam.

1. Dự án của Foxconn: 5 tỷ USD

Foxconn đứng thứ 150 trong số 500 tập đoàn, công ty lớn nhất thế giới với tổng vốn trên 70 tỷ USD, doanh thu năm 2006 đạt 45 tỷ USD. Tập đoàn có nhà máy tại Đài Loan, Trung Quốc và hơn 10 nhà máy khác trên thế giới, là nhà đầu tư nước ngoài lớn nhất tại Trung Quốc.

Mục tiêu và quy mô dự kiến vốn đầu tư tại VN có thể tới 5 tỷ USD, xây dựng thành phố IT chuyên về sản xuất các sản phẩm thuộc lĩnh vực điện tử, công nghệ cao. Hình thức đầu tư 100% vốn nước ngoài, địa điểm dự kiến tại Bắc Ninh hoặc Bắc Giang.

2. Dự án nhiệt điện than Văn Phong: 3,5-4 tỷ USD

Sumitomo dự kiến đầu tư xây dựng nhà máy nhiệt điện than có công suất 2.640 MW tại huyện Ninh Phước, tỉnh Khánh Hòa, với nguồn vốn 3,5-4 tỷ USD.

3. Dự án thép tại Hà Tĩnh: 3,2-3,5 tỷ USD

Theo Cục Đầu tư nước ngoài, Bộ Kế hoạch Đầu tư, trong 2 tháng đầu năm, nguồn vốn FDI đổ vào Việt Nam đạt 1,91 tỷ USD, tăng 45% so với cùng kỳ năm trước, trong đó vốn đăng ký mới là trên 1,2 tỷ USD.
Dự án này bao gồm 2 dự án nhỏ. Một là Nhà máy thép liên hợp tại Hà Tĩnh công suất 65 triệu tấn/năm, dự kiến vốn đầu tư 3,2-3,5 tỷ USD. Địa điểm khu công nghiệp Vũng Áng, Hà Tĩnh. Thứ hai là Dự án khai thác mỏ sắt Thạch Khê, Hà Tĩnh (VN tự đầu tư) vốn 350 triệu USD.

Nhiều tập đoàn thép đã bày tỏ nguyện vọng muốn được tham gia xây dựng Nhà máy liên hợp như Tata, Essar (Ấn Độ), Sunsteel (Đài Loan)... Tập đoàn Đài Loan đã nộp hồ sơ xin đầu tư dự án theo hình thức 100% vốn nước ngoài, tuy nhiên, số liệu tính toán mới chỉ ở mức dự kiến, chưa đủ độ chính xác.

Ngày 24/11/2006, trong buổi tiếp Chủ tịch Tập đoàn Posco, Thủ tướng đã đề nghị Posco phối hợp với Vinashin nghiên cứu khả năng xây dựng nhà máy thép liên hợp tại VN. Trong tháng 1, Posco và Vinashin đã tiến hành khảo sát địa điểm tại Khu kinh tế Vũng Áng và Khu mỏ sắt Thạch Khê (Hà Tĩnh).

4. Dự án ALCOA và VINACOMIN: 1,5 tỷ USD

Hai công ty dự kiến đầu tư 1,5 tỷ USD vào tỉnh Đăk Nông để khai thác quặng bauxit và xây dựng nhà máy tuyển Alumin công suất 1,3 triệu tấn mỗi năm. Hiện hai công ty này dự kiến nâng mức đầu tư lên 3 tỷ USD. Liên doanh sẽ do phía Việt Nam nắm giữ 51% số vốn.

Dự kiến liên doanh sẽ xây dựng một tuyến đường sắt từ Tây Nguyên ra biển để vận chuyển nguyên phụ liệu và tăng cường vận tải khu vực Tây Nguyên.

5. Dự án điện BOT Mông Dương 2 của Tập đoàn AES: 1,4-1,5 tỷ USD

Chủ đầu tư là Tập đoàn AES (Mỹ) và Tập đoàn Công nghiệp than khoáng sản VN. Mục tiêu xây dựng nhà máy điện công suất 1.200 MW tại Quảng Ninh. Dự án đã được Thủ tướng chấp thuận chủ trương, đang trong giai đoạn đàm phán ký kết hợp đồng.

6. Nhà máy nhiệt điện than miền Nam của CSG, 1,4 tỷ USD

Dự án này do Công ty Lưới điện Vân Nam, Trung Quốc (CSG) làm chủ đầu tư theo hình thức BOT. Dự kiến CSG sẽ xây dựng nhà máy nhiệt điện than Miền Nam giai đoạn 1 có công suất 1.200 MW tại tỉnh Bình Thuận. Hiện Thủ tướng chấp thuận chủ trương đầu tư dự án.

7. Dự án của Công ty TNHH Hóa chất SP: 1,2 tỷ USD

Công ty TNHH Hóa chất SP của Singapore dự kiến đầu tư 1,2 tỷ USD xây dựng nhà máy hóa chất có công suất 1 triệu tấn mỗi năm tại xã Vạn Thắng, huyện Vạn Ninh, Khánh Hòa.

8. Công viên Yên Sở của Tập đoàn Gamuda: 1 tỷ USD

Tập đoàn Gamuda của Malaysia dự kiến đầu tư 1 tỷ USD xây dựng khách sạn, trung tâm hội nghị, văn phòng, căn hộ cao cấp tại công viên Yên Sở, Hà Nội. Đối tác phía Việt Nam của Gamuda trong dự án này sẽ là Công ty Cơ điện Công trình Hà Nội (MESC), nắm giữ 20% vốn.

Theo báo The Star của Malaysia, ngoài dự án Công viên Yên Sở, Gamuda cũng đang xem xét khả năng đầu tư một số dự án khác tại Việt Nam, trong đó có một dự án quy mô tương đương Công viên Yên Sở, dự kiến được công bố trong năm 2007.

9. Dự án của Tập đoàn Kenmark: 500-800 triệu USD

Tập đoàn Kenmark của Đài Loan dự kiến xây dựng nhà máy sản xuất phôi thủy tinh tại VN để cung cấp cho các nhà máy sản xuất màn hình LCD, thủy tinh cao cấp... sử dụng nguyên liệu cát trắng tại VN. Vốn đầu tư dự kiến 500-800 triệu USD, 100% vốn nước ngoài. Địa điểm Khu kinh tế mở Chu Lai, Quảng Ngãi hoặc Quảng Ninh, hiện chủ đầu tư chưa quyết định.

10. Dự án của Compal Electronics.Inc: 500 triệu USD

Nhà đầu tư Đài Loan sẽ xây dựng nhà máy sản xuất máy tính xách tay để xuất khẩu và bán nội địa với công suất 2 triệu sản phẩm/tháng tại Vĩnh Phúc. Giai đoạn 1 vào năm 2008 có công suất 500.000 sản phẩm/tháng. Giai đoạn 2 năm 2009, 1 triệu sản phẩm/tháng. Giai đoạn 3 năm 2010, 2 triệu sản phẩm/tháng. Nhà máy sử dụng 2.000 nhân viên và 13.000 công nhân, diện tích đất 50 ha. Vốn đầu tư dự kiến 500 triệu USD, hình thức 100% vốn nước ngoài.

11. Dự án tàu biển cỡ lớn của STX: 500 triệu USD

Chủ đầu tư của dự án này là tập đoàn STX của Hàn Quốc với số vốn 500 triệu USD tại vịnh Văn Phong, Khánh Hòa. Hiện Chính phủ đã chấp thuận chủ trương dự án, giao UBND tỉnh Khánh Hòa phối hợp với các Bộ liên quan phê duyệt.

12. Khu đô thị mới Nhà Bè của GS E&C: 189 triệu USD

Chủ đầu tư là tập đoàn GS E&C của Hàn Quốc sẽ xây dựng và kinh doanh Khu đô thị mới Nhà Bè với các hạng mục liên quan và các dịch vụ đi kèm với quy mô 349 ha, vốn đầu tư 189 triệu USD.

Dự kiến khu đô thị mới này sẽ được xây dựng tại xã Phước Kiền và Nhơn Đức, huyện Nhà Bè, TP HCM.

13. Dự án sân Golf Củ Chi: 42,6 triệu USD

Tập đoàn GS E&C của Hàn Quốc dự kiến đầu tư 42,6 triệu USD để xây dựng sân Golf 36 lỗ quy mô 200 ha tại khu đô thị Tây Bắc, huyện Củ Chi, TP HCM. Cùng với đó là các dịch vụ đi kèm như kinh doanh khu nghỉ dưỡng, văn phòng, trung tâm hội nghị

who are the largest trade partners of vn?

english translation
source: vietnamnet.vn
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Over US$20bil to come to Vietnam
12:44' 08/03/2007 (GMT+7)

Yen So Park project by Malaysia's Gamuda group.
VietNamNet Bridge - Only 13 big foreign-invested projects that are in preparation period have a total capital of US$20.2 billion, doubling the total foreign investment capital of 2006, reported the Foreign Investment Department under the Ministry of Planning and Investment.

1. The US$5 billion project of Foxconn

Taiwan’s Foxconn ranks the 150th of the 500 world biggest companies and groups with a total capital of more than $70 billion. It earned turnover of $45 billion last year.

Foxconn plans to invest $5 billion to build an information technology city producing electronic and hi-tech products in Vietnam. The project is planned to be built in Bac Ninh or Bac Giang.

2. $3.5-4 billion Van Phong thermo-power project

Japanese group Sumitomo plans to invest in a thermo-power plant with a capacity of 2,640 MW in Ninh Phuoc District in the central province of Khanh Hoa, worth $3.5-4 billion.

3. $3.2-3.5 billion steel project in Ha Tinh

In the first two months of 2007, Vietnam drew $1.91 billion of foreign investment capital, up by 45% year on year, according to the Foreign Investment Department.

This project includes two sub-projects. The first is a $3.2-3.5 billion steel factory in the Vung Ang Economic Zone in the central province of Ha Tinh, which can produce 65 million tones of steel a year. The second is to exploit iron at the Thach Khe mine, Ha Tinh worth $350 million.

Many foreign steel companies like Tata and Essar of India and Sunsteel of Taiwan have expressed their wish to take part in the first project. Sunsteel has asked permission to invest in this project in the form of wholly foreign own.

In a meeting with the chairman of Posco, a Korean group, last November, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung requested Posco to combine with the Vietnam Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (Vinashin) to consider the construction of a steel factory in Vietnam. In January 2007 Posco and Vinashin carried out fieldwork at the Vung Ang Economic Zone and the Thach Khe Iron Mine.

4. $1.5 billion projects of Alcoa and Vinacomin

Two companies plans to invest $1.5 billion into the Central Highlands province of Dak Nong to exploit bauxite ore and to build an alumin refining factory with a yearly capacity of 1.3 million. The two investors may raise investment capital to $3 billion. Vietnam will hold 51% of capital in this joint venture.

5. $1.4-1.5 billion Mong Duong power project

The investor of the Mong Duong power project is the AES group of the US and the Vietnam Coal and Mineral Corporation. Accordingly, a power plant with a capacity of 1,200 MW will be built in Quang Ninh Province. The Prime Minister has approved the project in principle.

6. $1.4 billion southern thermo-power plant

This project is invested by China’s Yunnan Power Network Company (CSG) in the form of build - operate - transfer (BOT). The Southern Thermo-power Plant will be built in southern Binh Thuan Province with the first phase capacity of 1,200 MW.

7. $1.2 billion chemical project

Singapore’s SP Chemical Co, Ltd plans to invest $1.2 billion to build a chemical factory with an annual capacity of 1 million tones in Van Thang Commune, Van Ninh District, Khanh Hoa Province.

8. $1 billion Yen So Park project

Malaysia’s Gamuda group plans to invest $1 billion to build a complex of hotels, convention halls, offices and luxurious apartments in Yen So Park, Hanoi. The Vietnamese partner in this project is the Hanoi Electronics and Mechanics Company, with 20% of capital.

According to Malaysia’s The Star newspaper, Gamuda is considering to invest in some other projects in Vietnam.

9. $500-800 million project of Kenmark group

Taiwan’s Kenmark wants to build a rough glass factory in the Chu Lai Open Economic Zone in central Quang Ngai Province or in Quang Ninh Province worth $500-800 million. This factory will provide rough glass to high-class glass and LCD screen producers.

10. $500 million project of Compal Electronics.Inc

Taiwan’s Compal Electronics.Inc will build a $500 million laptop factory with a monthly capacity of 2 million units in the northern province of Vinh Phuc.

In the first phase (2008) this factory will manufacture 500,000 laptops/month, which will increase to one million products/month in the second phase (2009) and to 2 million products/month in the third phase (2010). The factory will employ 15,000 employees.

11. $500 million shipyard at Van Phong Bay, Khanh Hoa Province

The investor of this project is the STX Group of the Republic of Korea. The government has approved the project in principle and assigned the Khanh Hoa Provincial People’s Committee to combine with related ministries to approve the project in details.

12. $189 million Nha Be new residential area

The investor is Korean GS E & C group. The Nha Be residential area will be built on 349ha of land in Phuoc Kien and Nhon Duc communes, Nha Be District, HCM City.

13. $42.6 million Cu Chi Golf Course

Korean GS E & C group plans to invest $42.6 million to build a 36-hole golf course on 200ha in the Tay Bac residential area, Cu Chi District, HCM City.

(Source: VNE)

bây giờ toàn chơi tiền tỉ nhỉ , hi vọng năm nay thu hút FDI sẽ vào khoảng 12-15 tỉ :)

vietnam is deserved more than that --> 50 bil (may be) :lol:
make my beautiful coutry much beautiful :D

any thread for the Gamuda's Yen So Park?

CẬP NHẬT: 03/03/2007 00:18:45 (GMT+7) BẢN ĐỂ IN

Gần 2 tỷ USD vốn FDI trong 2 tháng đầu năm



n Thành Nam


Ngay trong 2 tháng đầu năm, Việt Nam đã thu hút gần 2 tỷ USD vốn FDI, tăng 45% so với cùng kỳ năm ngoái.

Theo Cục Đầu tư nước ngoài (Bộ Kế hoạch - Đầu tư), tính riêng trong tháng 2, cả nước có 96 dự án đầu tư trực tiếp nước ngoài (FDI) được cấp giấy phép, với tổng vốn đăng ký 1,2 tỷ USD (tăng 11% về số dự án và 27% về vốn đăng ký). Bên cạnh đó có 38 dự án bổ sung thêm vốn, với số vốn tăng thêm là 360 triệu USD.

Trước đó, trong tháng đầu tiên của năm 2007, thu hút vốn FDI vào Việt Nam đạt 350 triệu USD, tăng 2% so với cùng kỳ năm trước (344 triệu USD).

Dự án Công ty Giấy Kraf Vina tại Bình Dương với vốn đầu tư trên 220 triệu USD, dự án xây dựng Cảng Cái Mép tại Bà Rịa - Vũng Tàu vốn đăng ký 165 triệu USD là những dự án có quy mô tương đối lớn được cấp phép trong 2 tháng qua.

Trong số các quốc gia và vùng lãnh thổ đầu tư vào Việt Nam trong 2 tháng đầu năm thì Thái Lan là nước có số vốn đầu tư lớn nhất, chiếm 33,8% tổng vốn đăng ký đầu tư do có dự án Công ty Giấy Kraf của Tập đoàn SCG.
Trong thời gian tới, số vốn FDI có thể tăng mạnh hơn khi hiện nay có nhiều nhà đầu tư đang tìm kiếm cơ hội đầu tư, điển hình là Tập đoàn Gamuda (Malayisia) dự kiến đầu tư 1 tỷ USD xây dựng khách sạn, trung tâm hội nghị, văn phòng, căn hộ cao cấp, hay Tập đoàn Rivier (Nhật Bản) xin đầu tư xây dựng khách sạn 5 sao với vốn đầu tư trên 500 triệu USD tại Hà Nội, hoặc Tập đoàn Compell (Đài Loan) dự kiến đầu tư 500 triệu USD vào dự án sản xuất điện tử,…

Trong năm nay, Bộ Kế hoạch và Đầu tư đề ra kế hoạch thu hút vốn FDI đạt trên 10 tỷ USD. Còn trong năm 2006, Việt Nam thu hút 10,2 tỷ vốn FDI, mức cao nhất trong 1 thập niên qua.

who are the largest trade partners of vn?

Exports: $39.92 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)

Exports - commodities:
crude oil, marine products, rice, coffee, rubber, tea, garments, shoes

Exports - partners:
US 18.3%, Japan 13.6%, China 9%, Australia 7.9%, Singapore 5.6% (2005)



Imports: $39.16 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)

Imports - commodities:
machinery and equipment, petroleum products, fertilizer, steel products, raw cotton, grain, cement, motorcycles

Imports - partners:
China 15.6%, Singapore 12.4%, Taiwan 11.7%, Japan 11.1%, South Korea 9.7%, Thailand 6.5% (2005)

Khả năng thu hút 15 tỷ USD vốn đầu tư nước ngoài trong năm 2007


Theo Bộ Kế hoạch-Đầu tư, năm nay sẽ có 11 tỷ USD vốn đầu tư nước ngoài – FDI. Tuy nhiên, theo một thông tin từ Cục Đầu tư nước ngoài, nếu cải thiện hơn nữa cải cách hành chính, khả năng thu hút 15 tỷ USD trong năm nay không quá khó. Hiện đang có 14 dự án chuẩn bị đầu tư với tổng vốn 21 tỷ USD.

Xây một đường sắt để được đầu tư dự án
Từ đầu năm đến nay, Bộ Kế hoạch - Đầu tư liên tiếp đón tiếp lãnh đạo các tập đoàn kinh tế lớn trên thế giới. Có những lãnh đạo tập đoàn thậm chí đã thúc giục phía Việt Nam sớm xem xét, cấp giấy chứng nhận để họ đầu tư.

Tập đoàn Công nghiệp Than – Khoáng sản Việt Nam (Vinacomin) vừa đề nghị Thủ tướng chấp thuận cho Tập đoàn Alcoa (Hoa Kỳ) đầu tư dự án liên doanh khai thác quặng bô-xít và xây dựng nhà máy tuyển Alumin công suất 1,3 triệu tấn/năm tại tỉnh Đắk Nông. Theo Vinacomin, rất nhiều tập đoàn kinh tế lớn trên thế giới quan tâm, muốn cùng đầu tư dự án này. Tuy nhiên, Alcoa là tập đoàn thể hiện sự quyết tâm nhất, chấp thuận các điều kiện do Vinacomin đưa ra. Thậm chí, tập đoàn này cam kết xây dựng một tuyến đường sắt từ Tây Nguyên ra biển để vận chuyển nguyên phụ liệu và tăng cường vận tải cho khu vực. Không những thế, dù vốn đầu tư của dự án là 1,5 tỷ USD nhưng tập đoàn này sẵn sàng cùng Vinacomin tăng vốn đầu tư lên 3 tỷ USD.

Với sự nhiệt tình tương tự, tập đoàn Starbay Holding (Hồng Công, Trung Quốc) đã nộp hồ sơ đăng ký đầu tư xây dựng một sân bay tại Phú Quốc (tỉnh Kiên Giang) và dự án khu nghỉ ngơi cao cấp trên diện tích 510 ha ở hòn đảo này. Sau khi biết dự án sân bay đã có nhà đầu tư khác, tập đoàn này vẫn sẵn sàng đầu tư 600 – 800 triệu USD dự án còn lại. Hiện tỉnh đang làm thủ tục trao giấy chứng nhận đầu tư cho tập đoàn.

Nhưng, Foxconn mới là tập đoàn sẵn sàng đầu tư lớn nhất vào Việt Nam tính đến thời điểm này. Nhà đầu tư nước ngoài lớn nhất của Trung Quốc này có tổng vốn trên 70 tỷ USD, đã nộp hồ sơ xin đầu tư xây dựng một thành phố công nghệ thông tin chuyên sản xuất các sản phẩm điện tử ở Bắc Ninh hoặc Bắc Giang. Vốn đầu tư của dự án này lên tới 5 tỷ USD. Ông Phan Hữu Thắng, Cục trưởng Cục Đầu tư nước ngoài, cho hay, Foxconn hiện đứng thứ 150 trong số 500 tập đoàn kinh tế lớn nhất thế giới.

Theo ông Thắng, hiện có 14 dự án đầu tư nước ngoài với tổng vốn đầu tư khoảng 21 tỷ USD đang trong giai đoạn tích cực đẩy nhanh quá trình xúc tiến và chuẩn bị. Trong năm nay, ít nhất 30% trong số các dự án lớn này sẽ có giấy chứng nhận, thực hiện đầu tư.


Mở đường cho các tập đoàn về địa phương
Nắm bắt được xu hướng đầu tư của các tập đoàn thế giới và cũng là để thực hiện vượt mức mục tiêu thu hút vốn FDI trong năm nay, ông Phan Hữu Thắng cho biết, trong tháng 3 này, lãnh đạo cục sẽ lần lượt tới 17 tỉnh, thành phố trọng điểm về thu hút FDI để dọn đường, mở đường cho các tập đoàn, các nhà đầu tư nước ngoài tiếp cận, triển khai nhanh, thuận lợi nhất các dự án đầu tư. Bên cạnh đó sẽ bàn cách tăng lượng vốn giải ngân của các dự án FDI. Tính đến hết tháng 2/2007, cả nước có 6.992 dự án FDI còn hiệu lực với tổng vốn đầu tư đăng ký trên 62,7 tỷ USD và vốn thực hiện đạt trên 28,9 tỷ USD. Như vậy, "nếu tập trung tháo gỡ khó khăn, vướng mắc thì các nhà đầu tư hiện có sẽ tiếp tục rót vốn vào dự án. Nguồn vốn ấy mới thực sự quan trọng, mang lại hiệu quả", ông Thắng nói.

Qua cuộc làm việc với lãnh đạo Hà Nội, địa phương đầu tiên trong số 17 tỉnh, thành phố mà Bộ Kế hoạch- Đầu tư làm việc để xúc tiến đầu tư, ông Thắng cho biết, tiềm năng tăng thu hút vốn FDI vào đây trong năm nay còn rất lớn. Theo kế hoạch của UBND thành phố, trong năm 2007, Hà Nội sẽ thu hút 1,3 tỷ USD vốn FDI đăng ký và vốn thực hiện là 400 triệu USD. Tuy nhiên, qua rà soát, đánh giá lại thì thành phố có khả năng thu hút trên dưới 2 tỷ USD. Trong đó, riêng tập đoàn Gamuda (Malaysia) dự kiến đầu tư 1 tỷ USD. Trong khi đó, TP Hà Nội cũng đang làm thủ tục cấp giấy chứng nhận đầu tư cho tập đoàn Pacific Land (Anh), đầu tư 1 tỷ USD xây dựng khu công nghệ sinh học Nam Thăng Long./.

Theo SGGP

Source: Bangkok Post (http://www.bangkokpost.com/Business/10Mar2007_focus07.php)

Just when all roads are leading to Southeast Asia's rising star, investors are advised against rushing in until a few things are sorted out

NOLAN CRAWFORD

Thailand has cause for concern when looking at competition with regional neighbours such as Vietnam, which has the benefit of a government virtually unified in the direction of public policy, a cheap and young labour force, and well-drawn out plans to invest billions of dollars in infrastructure and industry from now until 2010. But as in any good fairy tale, there are real problems that need to be addressed.

Topping the list is government corruption.

Since June 2006, officials have been implementing the Anti-Corruption Law, a National Assembly-approved policy to clean house. To date, 33 major investigations have turned up 1.6 trillion dong (about US$5.5 million) in misappropriated funds. Despite the good intentions, the law falls short of accomplishing its primary goal, which was at the centre of a recent debate at a National Assembly Standing Committee meeting.

Trang A. Pao, chairman of the National Council, said that attempts to enforce the law were inadequate, with the number of cases and prosecutions far too few to make a real dent in solving the problem.

Government strategies and measures to tackle what has been called an epidemic by local news media are too vague and do not approach the issue in a practical way, said Pao, who was supported during the debate by other senior officials.

The added complication is that widespread corruption can erode business confidence if left unchecked, and could eventually curb foreign direct investment that was valued at a record $10.2 billion last year.

There are signs that officials are moving to further crackdown on corruption, including comments by Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung that cases should be carried out as swiftly and as transparently as possible.

The prime minister last month asked the Ministry of Public Security to promptly investigate allegations that Nguyen Dinh Than, a director at state-owned Vinaconex, accepted bribes after he was found with 200 million dong, supposedly a kickback from a local contractor.

In addition, three of the nine decrees to fully implement the Anti-Corruption Law have been passed, with the fourth likely to be approved ahead of the 12th National Assembly election in May.

The draft decree requires candidates to declare their incomes and total assets before running for an assembly seat, somewhat ironic considering Thailand's former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra had a similar problem.

A second issue that has the potential to hit the economy is Vietnam's unskilled labour force. Though the government reports a literacy rate of around 90%, statistics show that only a fraction of the workforce is qualified to handle mid- to senior-level management positions.

In a study of 63,000 companies released late last year by the Ministry of Planning and Investment, it was found that fewer than 3% of business owners had post-graduate degrees, and 43.3% of managers did not have high-school diplomas.

"It is easy to find people to work for you [in Vietnam], but it is sometimes harder to find the right person," said a member of the Thai Business Association (TBA), who requested anonymity, at a meeting this week in Ho Chi Minh City. He added that not only did a local employee need to handle managerial responsibilities, but also he or she must be ready to work in a multi-cultural environment, which even for a seasoned businessman is not always easy.

The alternative for Thai and other foreign companies is to bring in expatriates, who tend to cost more than hiring somebody locally.

Vietnamese officials hope the managerial issue can be solved with greater public spending on improving national education and by convincing overseas Vietnamese to come back, bringing their expertise with them.

In the government's 2006-10 development plan, there are steps to send teachers back for retraining, improve curricula at schools and universities, and allow foreign higher-education institutions to establish local campuses.

Education ministers are also proactively tackling the issue of corruption and cheating on national placement exams; most recently imposing stricter controls on registering for exams and tightening test question selection procedures to ensure answers are not leaked to students.

A third factor, which may have a more immediate impact on the economy, is the potential energy shortage. The state utility Electricity of Vietnam (EVN) is already warning of blackouts soon.

EVN general director Pham Le Thanh recently told senior government officials that there could be a 140-million-unit (kilowatt/hour) shortage from now until May, due to low water levels at hydroelectric plants; the country's coal and gas generators are already working at maximum capacity.

The shortage is also being driven by higher than expected growth in energy demand, which was up 20% last year, compared to the 16% the state utility predicted. EVN is attributing the higher demand not only to households, but also to rapid industrial growth, with the Vietnamese economy last year growing by 7.5% to 8.5%, depending on whose figures you believe.

In a March 2 report, Thanh Nien Daily News wrote that EVN officials were contemplating buying electricity from China. EVN has also created 11 task forces to investigate ways to reduce energy use.

Vietnam certainly has enough of its own natural resources. With about 40 billion tonnes of coal in the Red River Delta and about 18.5 million tonnes of crude oil and six billion cubic metres of natural gas, the country is an exporter of energy commodities, but does not necessarily have the processing capacity to turn it into electricity.

There are plans for new hydroelectric power plants to come on line in 2007 with more in the pipeline over the next five years, which should help alleviate pressure on the national grid.

Despite these problems, Vietnam remains for the most part a positive investment prospect.

Indeed, its development has been most outstanding next to China and India, and hence it is important to co-operate [with Vietnamese businesses], said Vijit Supinit, the chairman of the Stock Exchange of Thailand (SET), at the TBA meeting on Tuesday.

SET officials were in Vietnam's southern hub to work with local businesses and further develop its relationship with market regulators at the fast-growing HCM City Securities Trading Centre, which continued to hit record highs this week despite global stock market trends.

Good article, Capee. All problems reported are real issues that Vietnam needs to work on, the quicker the better. Despite the article's title which seems to be negative, the conclusion at the end is one of the positive note. It confirms my faith in the future of Vietnam!

Phở Việt “lên ngôi” ở Hàn Quốc

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“Phở 24” sẽ khai trương
cửa hàng tại hai địa điểm mới
ở Seoul trong tháng này.
Ở Hàn Quốc hiện có khoảng 200 quán phở Việt Nam. Người dân Hàn Quốc cũng đã quen với hàng loạt quán phở như Hòa Bình, Phở Hòa, Phở Bảy, Litle SaiGon, Hoa Sen, Xích lô, Áo dài...


Phở Việt Nam đã trở thành món ăn nổi tiếng cả ở nước ngoài, được ưa thích và quen thuộc tại nhiều quốc gia, kể những nước vốn có bề dày truyền thống về văn hóa ẩm thực như Nhật Bản, Hàn Quốc, Trung Quốc…


Người dân Hàn Quốc đã quen thuộc món phở Việt Nam với hàng loạt cửa hàng như Hòa Bình, Phở Hòa, Phở Bảy, Litle SaiGon, Hoa Sen, Xích lô, Áo dài… làm phong phú thêm cho hương vị phở Việt Nam tại xứ sở Kim Chi. Trong tháng này, thương hiệu “Phở 24” nổi tiếng sẽ khai trương cửa hàng tại hai địa điểm mới ở thủ đô Seoul, chấp nhận cuộc cạnh tranh với những “tên tuổi” rất Việt Nam vốn đã chiếm được cảm tình của người dân sở tại.


Cách đây hơn thập kỷ, người Hàn Quốc du học ở Mỹ về mở quán phở đầu tiên ở Seoul. Nổi tiếng nhất là quán “Litle Saigon” ở khu phố sầm uất Apkucheong. Đến nay, ở Hàn Quốc có khoảng 200 quán phở Việt Nam, trong đó Hòa Bình có 62 cửa hàng, Phở Bảy có 40 cửa hàng, Phở Hòa có 24 cửa hàng. Giờ đây, cùng với những cái tên như Áo dài, Hạ Long, Phở đã trở thành danh từ riêng ở Hàn Quốc gợi nhớ đến Việt Nam, thay cho những hình ảnh về chiến tranh, thuyền nhân cách đây hàng chục năm. Đối với người Hàn Quốc, nhất là giới trẻ, phở là món ăn thời thượng giàu dinh dưỡng. Trong nhịp sống hối hả của thời đại kỹ thuật số, ăn phở tiết kiệm thời gian mà vẫn thưởng thức hương vị đậm đà, quyến rũ.


Trong số các quán phở đông khách nhất ở Hàn Quốc phải kể đến Litle Saigon, vì quán này có truyền thống lâu đời và do đầu bếp người Việt trực tiếp hành nghề. Quán nằm trong khu vực có nhiều diễn viên điện ảnh Hàn Quốc sinh sống nên nửa đếm thường đón những thực khách nổi tiếng trong làng giải trí đến thưởng thức món ăn Việt Nam sau ngày làm việc.


Tuy nhiên, theo giáo sư Kim Ki Tae, một trong những người có công truyền bá tiếng Việt tại Hàn Quốc, cách đây khoảng 40 năm, phở tại Hàn Quốc vẫn thiếu một thứ rất Việt Nam là bánh phở tươi. Bánh phở khô nhập từ Thái Lan không thể thay thế được bánh phở tươi. Theo ông, một công ty thực phẩm lớn của Hàn Quốc đã nắm được bí quyết này và đang chuẩn bị xây dựng dây chuyền sản xuất bánh phở tươi phục vụ nhu cầu trong nước.

Does anybody know the proper term english for cong ty me-cong ty con ? :lol:

I wonder if it's true that the government is creating conglomerates..

Does anybody know the proper term english for cong ty me-cong ty con ? :lol:

I wonder if it's true that the government is creating conglomerates..

It is nothing more than a corporation where the headquarter is the mother, and the sub-companies around the world are the children. It is easy as one two three.

It is nothing more than a corporation where the headquarter is the mother, and the sub-companies around the world are the children. It is easy as one two three.

The VC copied it from the South Korean industrial development policy of favoring the conglomerates. In the ROK, it is known as the chaebol. The state banks lend to industrial conglerates that is in favor by the central government. The VC are hardly disciples of free marketers like Friedman or Hayek. Let's see where this will lead.

The VC copied it from the South Korean industrial development policy of favoring the conglomerates. In the ROK, it is known as the chaebol. The state banks lend to industrial conglerates that is in favor by the central government. The VC are hardly disciples of free marketers like Friedman or Hayek. Let's see where this will lead.

Com'on, Siddude, "copied"?!!! Did the South Koreans invent the idea or they simply "copied" it from someone else?! Good ideas are "copied" everywhere around the world or people would just be reinventing the wheel all the time! Whatever works, right?!

Not knowing anything about conglomerates to tell if they are good for VN's business or not, I just think you are being way too harsh on "VC" since anything they do is either bad or 'copied" (if it's a good thing). Credits should be given when due! Whatever good for VN is good for me regardless who or what regime is executing the actions. :-)

The VC copied it from the South Korean industrial development policy of favoring the conglomerates. In the ROK, it is known as the chaebol. The state banks lend to industrial conglerates that is in favor by the central government. The VC are hardly disciples of free marketers like Friedman or Hayek. Let's see where this will lead.

South Koreans "copied" it from the Japanese zaibatsu, 財閥.

LOL http://ecolorpostcards.com/joke.html



I do mean 20 Billion. Check on the Thanh Nien website

just look http://postcardsbargain.com/clip.html

Very interesting, I hear so much about India as booming economy but only received 8 billion FDI last year, I don't hear anything about Vietnam here in the states and it's going to receive 20 billion FDI next year which is more then India.

I hope Vietnam has success.

India had almost 50bil last year and this year is not looking bad at all...VN is just trying to keep a humble appearance...humble smile

Com'on, Siddude, "copied"?!!! Did the South Koreans invent the idea or they simply "copied" it from someone else?! Good ideas are "copied" everywhere around the world or people would just be reinventing the wheel all the time! Whatever works, right?!

Not knowing anything about conglomerates to tell if they are good for VN's business or not, I just think you are being way too harsh on "VC" since anything they do is either bad or 'copied" (if it's a good thing). Credits should be given when due! Whatever good for VN is good for me regardless who or what regime is executing the actions. :-)
Anti-communists are retarded and losers. They could not even keep their own country, let alone running it. I don't even want to mention about "their" economy prior to 1975. Atleast the VC totally in control and dominate Vietnamese economy now.

The only person that I can see who is a retard and a loser is the person who wrote such comment. Grow up.

Since communist is a sole party that controls an entire country of VN, and without opposition, the party holds all the power including the power of bribery, non-democracy, non-religion and millions more. Without the anti-communism over sea and their great efforts to weaken communism power, does communism in VN loosen their grips on the people today?

Such anti-communism activity is only do good for the people of VN ? Let the anti-communism people do their part and one day when communism in VN is faded away and the country is properous, history will carry their names for their effortness. In VN, we have Dr. Que, Rev. Ly, Buddish monk Do and many more, together we all have to stand up non-violently for freedom for VN.
Remember, there is no harm for the country, only make it better if we can tame communism.

India had almost 50bil last year and this year is not looking bad at all...VN is just trying to keep a humble appearance...humble smile

India received 50 billion last year? Do you have any data?

Considering the fact that India has more than ten times the population of Vietnam they should have got more than 100bln of FDI to equal Vietnams 10.2bln. But I am pretty sure they got less than 20bln last year.

http://dipp.nic.in/fdi_statistics/india_fdi_dec_2006.pdf
Link to India's FDI info. Looks like India got a little bit more than 11 billions FDI last year (2006)

Phú Quốc : Thêm 2 tỷ euro đầu tư vào “Hòn ngọc châu Á”
SGGP:: Cập nhật ngày 13/03/2007 lúc 11:26'(GMT+7)
Tập đoàn ủy thác Trustee Suisse (Thụy Sĩ) vừa gửi công văn tới UBND tỉnh Kiên Giang xin đầu tư tại Phú Quốc dự án phức hợp có tên gọi “Hòn ngọc châu Á” với tổng vốn 2 tỷ euro. Dự án này xin được đặt tại Bắc đảo Phú Quốc, gồm: trung tâm tài chính, khu phức hợp đô thị và du lịch (khu khách sạn, nhà vườn và dịch vụ giải trí...) trên diện tích khoảng 2.000ha.

UBND tỉnh Kiên Giang đã ký thỏa thuận trên nguyên tắc đồng ý về mặt chủ trương, cho phép nhà đầu tư được tiến hành khảo sát và tiến tới hoàn tất các thủ tục để trình hồ sơ xin phép đầu tư đến các cơ quan chức năng ở trung ương và địa phương.

Trước đó, tập đoàn kinh tế ở bang Texas Hoa Kỳ Limited Investments Zone (LIX) cũng đã xin đầu tư vào Phú Quốc một dự án trị giá 2 tỷ USD, gồm 12 hạng mục công trình khách sạn/casino 5 sao (tiêu chuẩn Las Vegas), khu nghỉ dưỡng, khu chiếu phim, giải trí, bệnh viện cao cấp... Ngoài ra, Tập đoàn Rockingham Asset Management cũng của Hoa Kỳ đã được UBND tỉnh chấp thuận về chủ trương đồng ý xúc tiến đầu tư 1 tỷ USD vào Phú Quốc.

Considering the fact that India has more than ten times the population of Vietnam they should have got more than 100bln of FDI to equal Vietnams 10.2bln. But I am pretty sure they got less than 20bln last year.

India received 8.4 billion in 2005 and their goal was 12 billion for 2006 but they received 11 billion as famster pointed out.

India is a great place to investment but not right now because their electricity and water supply is not stable and they need to work on their infrastructure as soon as possible.


"Intel Corp. (INTC ) chose Vietnam over India as the site for a new chip assembly plant. Although Intel declined to comment, industry insiders say the reason was largely the lack of reliable power and water in India."
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_12/b4026001.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives

Hình thành 5 tập đoàn kinh tế xây dựng lớn

Sắp xếp một số Tổng công ty thuộc Bộ Xây dựng thành 5 tập đoàn kinh tế lớn. Các tập đoàn này sẽ là tổ chức kinh tế mạnh, đóng vai trò quan trọng trên các lĩnh vực kinh tế mình tham gia. Đây là nội dung mới được đề cập đến trong kế hoạch sắp xếp và đổi mới doanh nghiệp nhà nước (DNNN) từ nay đến 2010 của Bộ Xây dựng vừa trình Chính phủ.

Theo Bộ Xây dựng, những ngành có tầm quan trọng, có thế mạnh, có khả năng phát triển thành tập đoàn bao gồm: công nghiệp xây dựng (gồm cả đầu tư, thi công xây dựng công trình theo các dự án trọng điểm quốc gia, có qui mô lớn); công nghiệp cơ khí, chế tạo thiết bị nặng (đầu tư thiết kế, chế tạo máy móc, thiết bị phục vụ các ngành kinh tế - kỹ thuật); tổng thầu xây lắp; sản xuất - kinh doanh xi măng và công nghiệp vật liệu xây dựng; đầu tư phát triển đô thị và kinh doanh bất động sản, cơ hạ tầng đô thị, khu công nghiệp...

Vì vậy, Bộ đã đề xuất lựa chọn 5 Tổng công ty có khả năng nhất tiếp nhận và quản lý phần vốn nhà nước ở các tổng công ty, công ty thuộc các Bộ ngành, địa phương khác có cùng ngành nghề, lĩnh vực hoạt động, có cùng chiến lược phát triển và tự nguyện tham gia phát triển thành tập đoàn.

Theo đề xuất, 5 Tổng công ty được chọn là: Tổng Công ty Sông Đà; Tổng Công ty Lắp máy Việt Nam; Tổng Công ty Xi măng Việt Nam; Tổng Công ty Đầu tư phát triển đô thị và khu công nghiệp Việt Nam; Tổng Công ty Xây dựng Hà Nội.

Cụ thể, Tập đoàn Công nghiệp xây dựng sẽ do Tổng Công ty Sông Đà (SONG DA) làm nòng cốt. Đồng thời quản lý vốn và tiếp nhận các thành viên là Tổng Công ty Cơ khí xây dựng (COMA); Tổng Công ty Sông Hồng (SONG HONG. CORP); Tổng Công ty cổ phần Xuất nhập khẩu và xây dựng Việt Nam (VINACONEX. JSC)... để phát triển tập đoàn kinh doanh trong lĩnh vực đầu tư, thi công, tổng thầu thi công xây dựng công trình.

Tập đoàn Công nghiệp cơ khí, chế tạo thiết bị nặng với chủ lực là Tổng Công ty Lắp máy Việt Nam (LILAMA) với sự hợp sức của Tổng Công ty Xây dựng và phát triển hạ tầng (LICOGI); Tổng Công ty Xây dựng Bạch Đằng (BACH DANG); Tổng Công ty miền Trung (COSEVCO)... để hình thành một tập đoàn mạnh trong lĩnh vực đầu tư thiết kế, chế tạo máy móc, thiết bị phục vụ các ngành kinh tế – kỹ thuật; tổng thầu cung cấp, lắp đặt thiết bị đồng bộ.

Tập đoàn Xi măng và công nghiệp vật liệu xây dựng sẽ chọn Tổng Công ty Xi măng Việt Nam (VINACEM) là lực lượng chính cùng với Tổng Công ty Thuỷ tinh và gốm xây dựng (VIGLACERA) và các đơn vị khác hình thành tập đoàn mạnh trên lĩnh vực vực kinh doanh doanh xi măng và vật liệu xây dựng khác.

Tập đoàn Đầu tư xây dựng và kinh doanh bất động sản chọn Tổng Công ty Đầu tư phát triển đô thị và khu công nghiệp Việt Nam (IDICO) làm nòng cốt. Đồng thời, IDICO sẽ tiếp nhận các quyền và nghĩa vụ của chủ sở hữu phần vốn nhà nước tại Tổng Công ty Xây dựng số 1 (CCNo1); Tổng Công ty Vật liệu xây dựng số 1 (FiCO); Công ty Đầu tư phát triển – Xây dựng (DIC. CORP) và các đơn vị khác.

Tập đoàn Đầu tư kinh doanh bất động sản và phát triển đô thị sẽ chọn Tổng Công ty Xây dựng Hà Nội (HANCORP) cùng với Tổng Công ty Đầu tư phát triển nhà và đô thị (HUD) và kêu gọi các đơn vị khác tự nguyện tham gia phát triển thành thế lực mạnh trong việc đầu tư xây dựng và kinh doanh các dự án nhà ở; đầu tư kinh doanh bất động sản; các dự án phát triển đô thị và hạ tầng kỹ thuật đô thị, khu công nghiệp... qui mô lớn.

Bộ Xây dựng cho biết, trước mắt sẽ đẩy nhanh việc cổ phần hoá và thực hiện việc giao thực hiện quyền và nghĩa vụ đại diện chủ sở hữu phần vốn nhà nước tại các công ty mẹ (Tổng công ty) thuộc cho 5 Tổng công ty được lựa chọn hình thành các tập đoàn kinh tế. Sau đó sẽ trình Chính phủ một Đề án chi tiết hình thành các tập đoàn kinh tế. Nếu đề án được phê duyệt, có thể từ quý IV-2007 sẽ bắt đầu ra mắt các tập đoàn kinh tế này.

Theo Phước Hà - VietNamNet

Source: Reuters Italia (http://www.borsaitaliana.reuters.it/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=fundsNewsUK&storyID=2007-03-15T103848Z_01_NOA538244_RTRUKOC_0_VIETNAM-DEVELOPERS.xml&archived=False)

By Dominic Whiting, Asia property correspondent

HO CHI MINH CITY (Reuters) - Vietnam is starting to draw global property investors, but many are wary about finding the right local partners as cold-war-era firms with no building experience turn themselves overnight into developers.

Foreign-run fund managers in Vietnam are talking up the huge demand for resorts, offices and homes in an export-oriented economy that was boosted by entry into the World Trade Organisation in January.

Gross Domestic Product grew at an average 7.5 percent a year 2001-2005 and last year expanded by 8.2 percent.

The spiel is working. VinaCapital closed a $407 million property fund this month, turning away around $200 million (103 million pounds) of subscriptions, and IndoChina Capital raised $205 million last year. Now Vietnam's biggest fund manager, Dragon Capital, is following the same path.

"The demand is huge, the difficult part is commiting the capital," said Neil Thurston, associate director at Dragon Capital. "In a developing market, investors have to be creative," he said, adding that he was looking at the leisure and service sectors.

But investors new to Vietnam should do serious homework on local partners, which have turned to the property sector from activities as diverse as vehicle imports and soft drinks. Typically, Vietnamese firms have contributed land, while the foreign partner delivers the capital.

"Failures have come when wealthy local entities with land ignored advice and put up buildings in bad locations or with design defects," Thurston said.

OPAQUE

In its most recent property market transparency survey, Jones Lang LaSalle puts Vietnam in its bottom, "opaque" ranking, below China and Indonesia. The consultants say reliable market information is scarce, and it is tough to obtain detailed master plans for development and navigate bureaucracy.

But property executives from around Asia meeting in Ho Chi Minh City this week were impressed by the city's verve -- especially after a nerve-jangling mass tricycle rickshaw ride among the honking Toyota SUVs on once-tranquil streets.

Some fund managers were cautious, wondering whether the heavy due diligence involved could justify the relatively small allocations they would make compared with India and China. Others said the right choice of local partner would be crucial.

"It's got great potential," said Richard Yue, chief executive of Arch Capital, which is teaming up with the Philippines' Ayala Land to raise a $250 million "opportunistic" property fund for Asia.

"But in this market you have to ally yourself to local players with access to land. It takes connections -- very much like China 15 years ago," Yue said.

Typical of the new breed of developers is Viet Nga company, part of state-owned Sovico Group, which once imported trucks from Russia before exporting rice, sugar and coffee in the United Nations-run Iraq oil-for-food programme.

The firm is now turning its hand to a five-star hotel and casino, timeshare villas, a shopping mall and an international school in the central Vietnamese city of Danang, and building a 12-storey office block in Ho Chi Minh City.

HOT

"The real estate market in Vietnam is hot," said Nguyen Manh Tien, a deputy general director at Viet Nga who studied architecture in Moscow. "There are not enough offices or apartments, especially with so many foreign companies coming in."

Vacancy rates at top office buildings in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City are at rock bottom, and rents have jumped about 20 percent in the last two years to double Bangkok levels. But offices still give 10-12 percent yields, compared to 4-5 percent in Hong Kong or Singapore.

With almost no other outlet for investment for much of Vietnam's communist rule, land appreciated in price to such an extent that prime sites rank fourth in the world after Tokyo, London and Hong Kong.

Landowners tend to be politically well-connected.

Pham Phu Truong, vice chairman of developer Saithanh International at the age of 32, said the business was based on land bought by his father, who founded beverages firm Tribeco before representing the government in a joint venture with PepsiCo.

Saithanh is developing a $16 million resort with VinaCapital and Truong is keen to work with more foreign investors.

"They bring expertise, help us look at the market in a more professional way and know how to evaluate prices of land," Truong, an economics graduate, said. "New winds are blowing in Vietnam."

Source: Tahoe Daily Tribune (http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070315/Sports/103150063/-1/SPORTS)

Editor's note: This is one in a series of journal entries from Rick Gunn, a South Lake Tahoe photographer, detailing his two-year bicycle journey around the world. Along the way, he is soliciting donations for The Make-A-Wish Foundation. To donate, go to wish.org. To read his complete "Wish Tour" journal, go to www.rickgunnphotography.com.



There is but a single traffic law in Vietnam. One you won't find in any law books. It's a law that states simply: "survive." Nowhere is this law more apparent than on Highway 1, Vietnam's main north-south thoroughfare. An hour cycling on this road is challenging. Two hours, maddening. I rode it six hours a day. If you're wondering what that's like, imagine a lobotomized cyclist re-enacting scenes from Bruce Lee's "Fists of Fury." That's what it's like to cycle-tour Highway 1.

I'd spent a week slogging along this little slice of purgatory. A week of trying to survive within a motorized stampede. It was there I began to recognize a pattern. A pattern best described as a kind of vehicular "survival of the fittest" based on the simple theory that "size matters."

Knowing this, one could easily determine a vehicle's level of influence within traffic. This vehicular influence corresponded as follows:

n A car: minimally influential.

n A truck: moderately influential.

n A bus: master of the universe.

n A bicycle: (laughter here).

All these observations seem to support the first law of cycling in Vietnam: "Stay the hell out of the way of buses." This was not easy. There were thousands of them, all of them operating under the old bumper-sticker adage, "As a matter of fact I do own the whole damn road."

They were huge and evil, with over-sized air-horns that poked at your ear-drums like sharpened chopsticks.

At the helm were what could easily be described as the most dangerous human beings on Earth, had any of them been human. I mean these guys were insane, clenched-teethed madmen, who got their kicks passing on corners, accelerating toward children, or generally sending well-meaning pedestrians diving into nearby rice fields.

Then there were the side-lanes, (the place where I rode). This was no picnic either. In fact, it was a virtual fiesta of treachery.

A deadly, rolling circus consisting of bicycles, motorcycles, carts, cyclos and motorized tricycles. Almost all of these motos were loaded with some type of cargo. Dangerous, life-threatening cargo that included: 6-foot sheets of glass, serrated saw blades, 50-gallon tubs of gasoline, 12-foot ladders, or sharpened bamboo fencing. All of it whizzed beneath my nose at more-than 40 miles an hour.

But there was something even worse than this. It was called the Vietnamese adolescent male (aged 7 to 40). Every day at noon, great groups of boys on bicycles were released from school. As they were, they descended upon me like the flying monkeys in "The Wizard of Oz." These boys were big on angst and short on boundaries. What they held in common was the seemingly ceaseless ability to offer up harassment.

Most days I could count on them to shout, swerve, taunt, flick boogers, or throw rocks. Then came the older boys. Drunken 20-somethings on motorcycles who'd recently discovered the miracle of alcohol, (or lack thereof). Every day, they hit the streets at 2 p.m., just after they'd drunk themselves into oblivion. These boys were dangerous, and each afternoon I could count on at least a dozen of them pulling up on their motorcycles, only to swerve, yell, weave, or taunt. All of this before they'd rocket off into inebriated stunts at more than 60 miles an hour.

This was not without consequence. And all of it came to head one afternoon as I pedaled over a small rise. There I came upon a group of on-lookers standing in a circle in the middle of the road.

Surrounding them was a scattering of motorcycle parts that looked as though they'd rained from the sky. When I finally got a glimpse within the circle, I witnessed two young men, both of them laying on the pavement writhing in pain. One of them had a number of cuts and bruises. The other boy's leg was freshly torn-off just below the knee. My eyes landed momentarily on his grizzled-white shin protruding from the middle of his leg.

"Jesus." I said cringing, then turned my eyes away. As I did, I spied the boy's foot, still inside his shoe, some 10 feet away. They were both drunk.

A few minutes later, as the crowd loaded them into a bus, I shook my head, and pedaled away. They were two of the lucky ones. Motorcycle accidents are not just a problem in Vietnam, they're an epidemic. And during my 278-mile journey south, I would count approximately 250 body-outlines on the pavement. Gruesome outlined crash-scenes scrawled in white spray-paint by the authorities. Hideously, these same authorities never bothered to rinse these crash-sites. Time and time again I came upon enormous stains of sun-dried blood, some of them complete with bits of brain tissue, or varying scraps of scalp.

Traffic accidents are now the leading cause of death in Vietnam, recently surpassing the number killed during the war. For years outside groups have recognized this problem. The World Health Organization has offered free helmets to the Vietnamese for years.

The problem is, they won't wear them. The issue seems to be vanity. Because the majority of this population is so young, and style-conscious (the average age is 26), they refuse to wear helmets. I'd been told it was because helmets "messed-up" their stylish hairdos, or otherwise made them look "un-cool."

If this was true, then I'd been a dork for over two decades. Sickened by it all, I left the accident scene that afternoon, and finished my day in the 90-degree heat.

When I finally reached my cheap hotel, I was encrusted with so much salt, I looked like Mr. Pretzel. The only thing that kept me upright was the thought of an evening swim in the pristine waters of the adjacent South China Sea. I dropped off my things then bolted to the beach like a man on a mission. When I arrived, I was hit by a sad reality. For there, along the entire length of sand, was what could only be described as a sea-side landfill.

Limitless litter, stretched as far as the eye could see. There were food wrappers, paper bags, plastic cartons, feminine hygiene products, cardboard, Styrofoam, beer bottles, cans, and much, much more.

"Idiots..." I barked beneath my breath, before pulling off my shirt, and diving in. Moving, arm over arm, I made it about 25 yards before I started bumping-into a virtual bounty of floating refuse. I began to take stock. There were two entire florescent light bulbs, one floating arm chair, several newspapers, a pair of diapers, and one dead chicken.

All of it had me swimming back to shore in revolt. That's when someone, (or something), turned out the lights. I lifted my head out of the water to discover that a black plastic bag had covered my head.

I'd had it. I plucked my tired bones from the garbage-filled sea, grabbed my things, then stormed to a nearby seafood restaurant in search of a plate of fresh fish.

When I got there, I discovered the "fresh fish" tank filled with a half-a-dozen fish floating upside down near the surface. "Maybe they're just sleeping," I thought to myself before the waitress handed me a menu.

As I opened it, I was reminded that ordering food in Vietnam was often a mystery. After much experience with this, I'd come to the conclusion that it was easier to eliminate what you didn't want to eat than to choose what you did.

In this case, I instantly ruled out two items on the menu. These were the "crispity fried snake," and "tuna salad with old vegetables."

After deciding on a plate of veggie-fried rice, I lifted my eyes in search of the waitress and instead noticed a large group of men huddled around a TV.

When I craned my neck to get a glimpse of what they were watching, I discovered it to be the World Wrestling Federation finals direct from America. "You gotta be kidding me," I mumbled to myself, "Why would anyone ever watch that drivel?" That's when a profound truth descended upon me. It was the WWF's uncanny resemblance to the last six years of U.S. foreign policy. These Vietnamese men weren't into wrestling, they were getting politically informed.

Depressed with it all, I gulped-back my lackluster meal, then retired to my hotel room where I wanted nothing more than to brush my teeth and go to bed. When I switched on the bathroom light, I discovered the head of my toothbrush covered in rat droppings.

"What the hell else?" I said turning in disgust, then, "Blam!" I cracked my head squarely on the 6-foot door frame. What came next was an extra-large, grade-A, goose-egg.

Cursing at the universe, I crawled into bed, positioned the good side of my head on the pillow, then went to sleep. But this bad day just wouldn't end. And just short of midnight I awoke to that tell-tale fire in the belly: food poisoning.

Before I knew it, I was up and roaring into the porcelain throne. This was followed by so many rounds of sitting, standing and flushing, that it made the lights flicker.

Needless to say, I spent the next day in a special kind of agony - placing each step like that of a stalking cat - and moving with ninja-like concentration so as to avoid one of those embarrassing under-garment tragedies that was certain to accompany the slightest squeak of flatulence.

Having no choice but to climb on my bike the next day and pray for continence, I pedaled without incident until I reached the Sea-side city of Nha Trang.


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Albeit this is one man's opinion. If Vietnam doesn't pay much attention and shapes up the country overall traffic & transportation, the economy will reach a screeching halt when no one can move safely!!!

India received 50 billion last year? Do you have any data?

http://www.locomonitor.com/index.cfm?page_title=FDI%20By%20Country&child_page=Asia%2DPacific%20%28Developing%29&c=India&showYr=1

this is where I gather most of the world's FDI information, I'm pretty confident about this site

http://www.locomonitor.com/index.cfm?page_title=FDI%20By%20Country&child_page=Asia%2DPacific%20%28Developing%29&c=India&showYr=1

this is where I gather most of the world's FDI information, I'm pretty confident about this site

Skidlin,

Why is there such a huge difference between the link you provided and mine?! My link is for India's Ministry of Commerce and Industry, dated December 2006. Confusing!

who are the largest trade partners of vn?

US
Japan
China
Australia
Singapore

Anti-communists are retarded and losers. They could not even keep their own country, let alone running it. I don't even want to mention about "their" economy prior to 1975. Atleast the VC totally in control and dominate Vietnamese economy now.

Wow, amazing comment from le petit VC! LOL,, 'retarded and losers', you can't think up of a more sophisticated vocabulary than that? Come on little kid? Use your 30 watt bulb of brain to think up of something better! The VC Party is wasting its money (from bribery and kickbacks) sending you overseas to get 're-educate' about international commerce. FYI for you, in a competitive free market economy, you VC will have to actually work and study to compete in the ever changing world. Nothing will be handed to you. No more welfare money from the USSR!

BTW, why are we having this conversation in English and not in Russian, you know the language of the mighty USSR in which Bac Ho wanted Vietnam to be? LOL. Wake up and smell the coffee. Guess who won the COLD WAR? It sure wasn't the communist bloc! Remember all those little commie countries which fell like a row of dominoes! Wake up, little VC, this is the new world order we live in and your Marxist Leninist vision for world domination came crashing to earth! LOL

Ever heard of Darwin and his theory about evolution? Survival of fittest, remember? Well, in the social sphere I guess you can say communism was one of those ideas rejected by man because it was incompatible with human nature. Social Darwinism is an idea where human society rejected ideas that cannot survive and evolve. HMM.. Sounds like Bac Ho's stupid delusional ideas doesn't it?

I expected more from the little VCs of today! Oh well, come back when you add a little bit more intellectual heft to your argument! There's a difference between an emotional ranting of child and an intellectual debate of an adult! But of course, I never expected reason, logic, and knowledge coming from the Viet Cong anyway.

Wow, amazing comment from le petit VC! LOL,, 'retarded and losers', you can't think up of a more sophisticated vocabulary than that? Come on little kid? Use your 30 watt bulb of brain to think up of something better! The VC Party is wasting its money (from bribery and kickbacks) sending you overseas to get 're-educate' about international commerce. FYI for you, in a competitive free market economy, you VC will have to actually work and study to compete in the ever changing world. Nothing will be handed to you. No more welfare money from the USSR!
USSR never gave welfare money for Vietnam. Vietnam's still paying the debt of USSR weapons during Vietnam War.

BTW, why are we having this conversation in English and not in Russian, you know the language of the mighty USSR in which Bac Ho wanted Vietnam to be?
English Imperialism, and no since when Bac Ho only wanted Vietnam to study only Russian. He's himself is fluent in French, Chinese, and partially fluent in English. :lol:


Ever heard of Darwin and his theory about evolution? Survival of fittest, remember? Well, in the social sphere I guess you can say communism was one of those ideas rejected by man because it was incompatible with human nature. Social Darwinism is an idea where human society rejected ideas that cannot survive and evolve. HMM.. Sounds like Bac Ho's stupid delusional ideas doesn't it?

I expected more from the little VCs of today! Oh well, come back when you add a little bit more intellectual heft to your argument! There's a difference between an emotional ranting of child and an intellectual debate of an adult! But of course, I never expected reason, logic, and knowledge coming from the Viet Cong anyway.
All he implied that the Vietnamese Communist party backed up Vietnamese economy that is dominated by Kinh Vietnamese, while VNCH's economy was dominated by Chinese middlemen even though Ngo Dinh Diem implemented severe limitation to Chinese merchants. :cheers:

Wow, amazing comment from le petit VC! LOL,, 'retarded and losers', you can't think up of a more sophisticated vocabulary than that? Come on little kid? Use your 30 watt bulb of brain to think up of something better! The VC Party is wasting its money (from bribery and kickbacks) sending you overseas to get 're-educate' about international commerce. FYI for you, in a competitive free market economy, you VC will have to actually work and study to compete in the ever changing world. Nothing will be handed to you. No more welfare money from the USSR!

BTW, why are we having this conversation in English and not in Russian, you know the language of the mighty USSR in which Bac Ho wanted Vietnam to be? LOL. Wake up and smell the coffee. Guess who won the COLD WAR? It sure wasn't the communist bloc! Remember all those little commie countries which fell like a row of dominoes! Wake up, little VC, this is the new world order we live in and your Marxist Leninist vision for world domination came crashing to earth! LOL

Ever heard of Darwin and his theory about evolution? Survival of fittest, remember? Well, in the social sphere I guess you can say communism was one of those ideas rejected by man because it was incompatible with human nature. Social Darwinism is an idea where human society rejected ideas that cannot survive and evolve. HMM.. Sounds like Bac Ho's stupid delusional ideas doesn't it?

I expected more from the little VCs of today! Oh well, come back when you add a little bit more intellectual heft to your argument! There's a difference between an emotional ranting of child and an intellectual debate of an adult! But of course, I never expected reason, logic, and knowledge coming from the Viet Cong anyway.

survival of the fittest was never coined by darwin. that's a misnomer. It was survival of the organism which is well suited for the environment. It is actually the environment which will weed out traits that are not useful in propagating the species.

Wow, amazing comment from le petit VC! LOL,, 'retarded and losers', you can't think up of a more sophisticated vocabulary than that? Come on little kid? Use your 30 watt bulb of brain to think up of something better! The VC Party is wasting its money (from bribery and kickbacks) sending you overseas to get 're-educate' about international commerce. FYI for you, in a competitive free market economy, you VC will have to actually work and study to compete in the ever changing world. Nothing will be handed to you. No more welfare money from the USSR!

BTW, why are we having this conversation in English and not in Russian, you know the language of the mighty USSR in which Bac Ho wanted Vietnam to be? LOL. Wake up and smell the coffee. Guess who won the COLD WAR? It sure wasn't the communist bloc! Remember all those little commie countries which fell like a row of dominoes! Wake up, little VC, this is the new world order we live in and your Marxist Leninist vision for world domination came crashing to earth! LOL

Ever heard of Darwin and his theory about evolution? Survival of fittest, remember? Well, in the social sphere I guess you can say communism was one of those ideas rejected by man because it was incompatible with human nature. Social Darwinism is an idea where human society rejected ideas that cannot survive and evolve. HMM.. Sounds like Bac Ho's stupid delusional ideas doesn't it?

I expected more from the little VCs of today! Oh well, come back when you add a little bit more intellectual heft to your argument! There's a difference between an emotional ranting of child and an intellectual debate of an adult! But of course, I never expected reason, logic, and knowledge coming from the Viet Cong anyway.
cờ vàng của tụi mày phải đi lạy lục xinh xỏ mới được phép treo nghen, mà mồi lần treo thì phải bị treo bên cạnh lá cờ của Mỹ mới thê thảm chứ, chứ đâu được phép treo một mình đâu:banana:

USSR never gave welfare money for Vietnam. Vietnam's still paying the debt of USSR weapons during Vietnam War.


English Imperialism, and no since when Bac Ho only wanted Vietnam to study only Russian. He's himself is fluent in French, Chinese, and partially fluent in English. :lol:


All he implied that the Vietnamese Communist party backed up Vietnamese economy that is dominated by Kinh Vietnamese, while VNCH's economy was dominated by Chinese middlemen even though Ngo Dinh Diem implemented severe limitation to Chinese merchants. :cheers:
Yeah, unlike the incompetent VNCH who did not do anything to get rid of the French's remnants of colonialism, the richest people of Vietnam today are Vietnamese and the biggest companies of Vietnam today are Vietnamese and the economy of Vietnam today is controlled by Vietnamese.

Anyone wants to manipulate the price of rice today in Vietnam like it was during the VNCH era? Good luck

Yeah, unlike the incompetent VNCH who did not do anything to get rid of the French's remnants of colonialism, the richest people of Vietnam today are Vietnamese and the biggest companies of Vietnam today are Vietnamese and the economy of Vietnam today is controlled by Vietnamese.

Anyone wants to manipulate the price of rice today in Vietnam like it was during the VNCH era? Good luck


Spoken like a true ignoramus! oh well, that's why you will never attain objective knowledge because you have an innate political correctness how history was formed and interpreted. Just one thing though why did Ho Chi Minh (not his real name) named his organization the Viet Minh and masked the Communist nature of his movement? If everybody supported and understood communism, there would be no need for charade right? Even in North Vietnam's first constitution did they (VC) not mention the communist nature of its regime until they attain power. Strange kind of behavior for a popular movement.

How is it being anti-communist is the same as being pro-French? Did you actually live through this time to make such judgemental statements? Maybe you need a little bit of life experience first before you comment on affairs about suffering and tragedy. There were also people during that period who were willing to work within the system to free Vietnam from French rule. It is not a question of in order for Vietnam to be free from colonialism; one has to embrace communist totalitarianism. Laos and Cambodia became independent through their repective monarchy in 1953. Some people even join the French military to do so. Some aligned with France in order to fight against Communism because they viewed it as a bigger threat. It's like accepting chemotherapy in order to fight cancer. Ben Bella, the father of modern Algeria, did this very same thing. He was a highly decorated soldier in the French Army. Many of the Algerian independence leaders even served in Indochina. These leaders eventually became the head of FLN. It is the non-Marxist group who won independence for Algeria from France. It's very convenient for the VC to only paint themselves as anti-colonial leaders and discrediting non-communist Vietnamese as being a tool of France huh. Not everything is so black and white.

By your statements above it shows your superficial knowledge of economics. But you're young maybe you can attain some objective knowledge in the future. All of the management, capital and technology that coming to Vietnam, are those factors of production coming from native resources or are they coming from other capitalist countries like S.Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc.? Please be truthful!

Btw, who were the biggest supporters of South Vietnam during the war coming form Asia. Hmm. let me list S.Korea, Singapore, Taiwan are recognized Saigon not delusional Marxists in Hanoi. Come out into the light and see history of what it is on a objective basis. How come you guys keep dodging my question about who won the battle of ideas in the Cold War: is it free market capitalist democracy or centralized command economy and one party dictatorship?

Somehow I think I will not hear an answer from you.

Spoken like a true ignoramus! oh well, that's why you will never attain objective knowledge because you have an innate political correctness how history was formed and interpreted. Just one thing though why did Ho Chi Minh (not his real name) named his organization the Viet Minh and masked the Communist nature of his movement? If everybody supported and understood communism, there would be no need for charade right? Even in North Vietnam's first constitution did they (VC) not mention the communist nature of its regime until they attain power. Strange kind of behavior for a popular movement.

How is it being anti-communist is the same as being pro-French? Did you actually live through this time to make such judgemental statements? Maybe you need a little bit of life experience first before you comment on affairs about suffering and tragedy. There were also people during that period who were willing to work within the system to free Vietnam from French rule. It is not a question of in order for Vietnam to be free from colonialism; one has to embrace communist totalitarianism. Laos and Cambodia became independent through their repective monarchy in 1953. Some people even join the French military to do so. Some aligned with France in order to fight against Communism because they viewed it as a bigger threat. It's like accepting chemotherapy in order to fight cancer. Ben Bella, the father of modern Algeria, did this very same thing. He was a highly decorated soldier in the French Army. Many of the Algerian independence leaders even served in Indochina. These leaders eventually became the head of FLN. It is the non-Marxist group who won independence for Algeria from France. It's very convenient for the VC to only paint themselves as anti-colonial leaders and discrediting non-communist Vietnamese as being a tool of France huh. Not everything is so black and white.

By your statements above it shows your superficial knowledge of economics. But you're young maybe you can attain some objective knowledge in the future. All of the management, capital and technology that coming to Vietnam, are those factors of production coming from native resources or are they coming from other capitalist countries like S.Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc.? Please be truthful!

Btw, who were the biggest supporters of South Vietnam during the war coming form Asia. Hmm. let me list S.Korea, Singapore, Taiwan are recognized Saigon not delusional Marxists in Hanoi. Come out into the light and see history of what it is on a objective basis. How come you guys keep dodging my question about who won the battle of ideas in the Cold War: is it free market capitalist democracy or centralized command economy and one party dictatorship?

Somehow I think I will not hear an answer from you.
You don't have to preach to me the same things that I've been hearing by you guys for so many years now. I'm just irritated by your behaviour of constantly taking cheap shots at the Vietnamese government. Go read a newspaper in Vietnam, it's like they even bother to mention about you guys

You don't have to preach to me the same things that I've been hearing by you guys for so many years now. I'm just irritated by your behaviour of constantly taking cheap shots at the Vietnamese government. Go read a newspaper in Vietnam, it's like they even bother to mention about you guys

Newspapers, TV, magazines, internet and other media outlets are owned and controlled by your comrade VC brothers! Sure, they are believable! LOL. VC propaganda is pretty childish! This is the year 2007, most of the civilized world do not behave such crude ways as VC Vietnam. So sad for Vietnam where the VC mandarins still try to control the people rather than let them live their own lives as they know best.

I think understand you now. Just answer me one question: does the VC exist for the good and interest of the nation for its own survival? Plato belived that the philosopher king rules best when he rule for the good of the people not for the minority or a certain faction.

đúng thế, ngày nay VC hay chống VC đều là dân quê mùa..........ngày nay đánh mướn mới là mốt.....mốt ni nhập từ phần nhiều là kẻ thù Mỹ chứ hổng phải anh em Liên XÔ

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/tianyon/Index.aspx?ArticleID=190344&ChannelID=87
Dân chủ để phát triển

>> Quan hệ nhà nước - công dân đã có nội dung mới

TT - Bầu cử Quốc hội phải là ngày hội của dân chủ, là một bước tiến mới trong quá trình đổi mới đất nước để khắc phục tệ quan liêu, tham nhũng, lạm dụng chức quyền nhằm nâng cao chất lượng hoạt động của Nhà nước ta. Theo đó, dân chủ, trước hết là dân chủ đối với những ý kiến khác với mình, chứ một nền dân chủ “gọi dạ, bảo vâng” không thể đưa đất nước ta tiến lên trong thời đại hội nhập, cạnh tranh gay gắt hiện nay.

Khác ý kiến không phải là chống lại nhau mà là sự tìm tòi những cách tiếp cận mới. Dân chủ trước hết là dân chủ đối với những người ứng cử có trí tuệ, bản lĩnh, tâm huyết chứ không phải dân chủ đối với những người chỉ biết “ăn theo, nói leo”.

Vì vậy, tiêu chuẩn để đánh giá và chấp nhận ứng cử viên chỉ có thể là những tiêu chuẩn do luật định, không thể là ý kiến của anh A, chị B nào đó, như: “anh X có trình độ nhưng thẳng thắn quá, đồng chí B không hài lòng, không nên để trong danh sách ứng cử”, “chị B phát biểu gay gắt quá, kỳ này nên thôi”, “anh Y hiền, tốt, mặc dù lớn tuổi nhưng nên làm tiếp”... Dường như những ý kiến này quyết định vận mệnh của các người ứng cử, đề cử trước khi được hiệp thương và bầu cử. Có người sẽ bị gạt ra, có người chưa cần bầu đã cầm chắc sẽ trúng cử. Nếu Quốc hội khóa tới chỉ gồm những người hiền và tốt, không có ý kiến gì từ quần chúng khác với lãnh đạo thì có đảm đương được sứ mệnh của người đại biểu nhân dân hay không?

Khoa học thông tin đã chứng minh sự lừa đảo liên quan đến bất đối xứng về thông tin. Bên lừa biết bản chất, giá trị của món hàng nhưng không cung cấp thông tin cho người mua, người mua cũng không có khả năng kiểm chứng chất lượng hàng hóa mà mình mua tại thời điểm mua hàng. Khi mua rồi mới té ngửa ra là “nói vậy mà không phải vậy” thì đã muộn. Để đối phó, trên thế giới đã có qui định về công khai, minh bạch thông tin, về vai trò của các cơ quan giám định độc lập, kiểm chứng. Lừa đảo không phải là bản chất của “mua mua bán bán” của kinh tế thị trường như có người vẫn lớn tiếng lên án. Lừa đảo xuất hiện ở bất cứ đâu có bất đối xứng thông tin.

Để cho quá trình ứng cử, bầu cử được dân chủ, nên thực hiện công khai, minh bạch càng sâu rộng càng tốt. Các cuộc tiếp xúc cử tri nên được thông báo rộng rãi, mời mọi người có quyền tham gia, tránh hiện tượng “lựa chọn đại diện cử tri”, sắp đặt, loại bỏ những cử tri “có ý kiến” không được tham gia. Thông tin về quá trình bầu cử, về các ứng cử viên nên được công bố rộng rãi, ý kiến cử tri đóng góp cần được công bố công khai. Vận động bầu cử cần được tiến hành bình đẳng, tránh bị kỳ thị như có đại biểu đã phát biểu.

TS LÊ ĐĂNG DOANH


Enough said?

I think understand you now. Just answer me one question: does the VC exist for the good and interest of the nation for its own survival?
Yes, 'nough said.

Newspapers, TV, magazines, internet and other media outlets are owned and controlled by your comrade VC brothers! Sure, they are believable! LOL. VC propaganda is pretty childish! This is the year 2007, most of the civilized world do not behave such crude ways as VC Vietnam. So sad for Vietnam where the VC mandarins still try to control the people rather than let them live their own lives as they know best.
Do you read Vietnamese-American news? Well if you read them, basically you're reading Vietnam newspaper, with a bit of salt and fish sauce here and there :lol:

yeah no matter how bad the vietnamese sauce is ...it's still way better than sauce made from former USSR .

Ph. D. Le Dang Doanh, hoan ho, van tue, van van tue. ^^ ^^

I vote for Mr. Doanh to be VN's next Prime Minister. He is a communist, but he has the mind of a capitalist, a democrat. I just hope, his statements are implemented widely throughout the what we call the Communist Party, for this is the basic ideology of democracy at a government level. I also hope, this is not Communist's strategy of what we call "whipping and messaging" or "spanking and candies offering", since this is still communist newspaper, remember???

I just hope Le Tan Dung son studying in the USA will come home and say "father your government...is so stupid.......in the USA everybody hates it...please give it up so I won't suffer embarassment"

the Le Tan Dung will say...."son you are so right, I have done wrong, my party is hurting the country and I am sorry, I am so freaking angelina and brad pitt sorry"

Newspapers, TV, magazines, internet and other media outlets are owned and controlled by your comrade VC brothers! Sure, they are believable! LOL. VC propaganda is pretty childish! This is the year 2007, most of the civilized world do not behave such crude ways as VC Vietnam. So sad for Vietnam where the VC mandarins still try to control the people rather than let them live their own lives as they know best.

I think understand you now. Just answer me one question: does the VC exist for the good and interest of the nation for its own survival? Plato belived that the philosopher king rules best when he rule for the good of the people not for the minority or a certain faction.
Give it a rest with your constant preaching about "demoracy" and all of those craps. You guys did not even practice demoracy when it came to the 1956 national election. And as for the oversea Vietnamese media, you guys can only copy, cut and paste a little hereand there from Vietnam's online newspaper and report whatever suit your agenda that you guys want to report, what a joke

And yes, the VC exist for the good of the nation.

con cóc là cậu ông trời, nếu ai đục nó thì trời đục cho....what can I say

Here is a list of Marxist Leninist communist states: PRC (VN's master), Laos, Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam! Wow, such a big club. What do these countries know that the rest of the world doesn't? It is time to burn the stupid Red Chinese flag!

VC rules on behalf the nation! Come on, VC Vietnam is one party, police state where they spy on their own citizens. You are not going to convince anyone with a statement like that.

BTW, 1956 election, who would trust communists to abide by the result of a free fair elections? Not moi. Please name me one election VC VN ever held since the 1950's.

Reasons for rejection of election: 1) No international monitors, 2) No secret ballot

I would never trust a bunch of disciples of Lenin to adhere to elections. Why don't you brush up on Lenin a little bit, see what he has to say? Sorry, he is another SOB in my book! Ask the people in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Armenia, what they think of the SOB?

"It is time to burn the stupid Red Chinese flag!"?!!!

The flag you have chosen as your avatar came from China, too, in case you are not aware of it.

If you are so against the Red flag, can you prove that the Yellow flag is better? Can you even name a battle against the French that this Yellow flag was ever raised?!!

BTW, 1956 election, who would trust communists to abide by the result of a free fair elections? Not moi. Please name me one election VC VN ever held since the 1950's.

Reasons for rejection of election: 1) No international monitors, 2) No secret ballot


So it was ok to cancel the election? :nuts: I'm so sick of people turning every thread into a political debate?

All I started was asking if the government is creating conglomerates?

and then people had the nerve to attack cheap comments on how Vietnam copied Korean chaebol, even though Koreans also "copied" the Japanese system of the zaibatsu :lol:

Some anti-communists argue that Ho Chi Minh (and the communists) were wrong to engage in the fight for independence for Vietnam at the cost of hundreds of thousand lives since India and other countries didn't have to do the same to get their independence from their colonialists. Using the same hindsight, the Vietnam war would never have happened if the General Election were held in 1956. It would have saved millions of lives then!

"It is time to burn the stupid Red Chinese flag!"?!!!

The flag you have chosen as your avatar came from China, too, in case you are not aware of it.

If you are so against the Red flag, can you prove that the Yellow flag is better? Can you even name a battle against the French that this Yellow flag was ever raised?!!


Yellow flag is the traditional color of Vietnam not the communist flag! Hai Ba Trung raised it as they went to battle against the Chinese. Hello, where have you been, hypocrite guy from San Diego? The VC live in Hanoi and ass Ho Chi Minh City not a free democratic society of USA! BTW, you have a right to your opinion but if you infringe on another person's right to 'life, liberty, and pursuit happiness', then the right is revoked. But such a state exists in Viet Nam because only the VC have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit happiness. Yours is a minority view in the US. We tolerate such view because it is a DEMOCRATIC society which respects, and I repeat respects HUMAN RIGHTS because all human beings have that very right. There is no need for harassment, persecution, or intimidation unlike the half ape society of VC Viet Nam. The various political views are welcomed because there is civilization, there is order, there is a rule of law not VC arbitrary law.

Do you know how ridiculous your argument is ? We kicked French ass that is why we deserve to rule! Dictatorship today, dictatorship tomorrow, dictatorship forever! LOL hahaha... VC rule!! Who cares about mundane issues like healthcare, education, corruption as long as we have the glorious memory of kicking French ass in 1954!! That is the mentality of elementary school kid. Half of French forces were Vietnamese part of Vietnam National Army so it was hardly Viet nationalists versus the evil French. FYI, during the Malayan Emergency it was Malaysian nationalists and British, Australian, NZers one side versus Chinese Malaysian communists so they had their problem with communist troublemakers too.

Let me ask you guys this, the DEmocrats were in power under FDR in WWII, do they constantly harp about defeating Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany? No they have better things to do like running the country and satisfying their constituency. The VC only have one constituency, their loyal party members! Everybody else is shit out of luck. LOL

If you love the Viet Cong so much, why don't be a real Viet Cong live in Viet Cong land, I'm sure they would love another addition to Bac Ho's nephews.

Whatever!

So it was ok to cancel the election? :nuts: I'm so sick of people turning every thread into a political debate?

All I started was asking if the government is creating conglomerates?

and then people had the nerve to attack cheap comments on how Vietnam copied Korean chaebol, even though Koreans also "copied" the Japanese system of the zaibatsu :lol:


AND I'M SO SICK OF VC BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE LIKE NGUYEN VAN DAI, LE THI CONG NHAN, AND NGUYEN VAN LY! Tell your red monkeys to behave!

Read more about the Yellow flag before you honor it so much!!!!

Skidlin,

Why is there such a huge difference between the link you provided and mine?! My link is for India's Ministry of Commerce and Industry, dated December 2006. Confusing!

Your link from India only count the 'equity' or actual amount of cash released from their FDI sources. On the other hand, my locomonitor source take the whole worth of the promised contractual investments at the time of announcement, regardless of the actual amount of capital being released for that year.

Ho Chi Minh's vision of a Communist Vietnam and the Communist party was a party standing for Vietnamese freedom, fairness and equality. The current state of the communist party is one of corruption, nepotism, irresponsibility and inequality.

You're no decent human being if you support this rotten regime. The majority of the members are rotten apples, maybe with the exception of Phan Van Khai, Nguyen Tan Dung, Nguyen Minh Triet and Vu Khoan. And guess what, three out of those four guys happens to hail from the south. The stereotype that southerners are more honest is true afterall. LOL

AND I'M SO SICK OF VC BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE LIKE NGUYEN VAN DAI, LE THI CONG NHAN, AND NGUYEN VAN LY! Tell your red monkeys to behave!
Isn't there like an approriate place for this? :nuts:

Yellow flag is the traditional color of Vietnam not the communist flag! Hai Ba Trung raised it as they went to battle against the Chinese. Hello, where have you been, hypocrite guy from San Diego? The VC live in Hanoi and ass Ho Chi Minh City not a free democratic society of USA! BTW, you have a right to your opinion but if you infringe on another person's right to 'life, liberty, and pursuit happiness', then the right is revoked. But such a state exists in Viet Nam because only the VC have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit happiness. Yours is a minority view in the US. We tolerate such view because it is a DEMOCRATIC society which respects, and I repeat respects HUMAN RIGHTS because all human beings have that very right. There is no need for harassment, persecution, or intimidation unlike the half ape society of VC Viet Nam. The various political views are welcomed because there is civilization, there is order, there is a rule of law not VC arbitrary law.

Do you know how ridiculous your argument is ? We kicked French ass that is why we deserve to rule! Dictatorship today, dictatorship tomorrow, dictatorship forever! LOL hahaha... VC rule!! Who cares about mundane issues like healthcare, education, corruption as long as we have the glorious memory of kicking French ass in 1954!! That is the mentality of elementary school kid. Half of French forces were Vietnamese part of Vietnam National Army so it was hardly Viet nationalists versus the evil French. FYI, during the Malayan Emergency it was Malaysian nationalists and British, Australian, NZers one side versus Chinese Malaysian communists so they had their problem with communist troublemakers too.

Let me ask you guys this, the DEmocrats were in power under FDR in WWII, do they constantly harp about defeating Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany? No they have better things to do like running the country and satisfying their constituency. The VC only have one constituency, their loyal party members! Everybody else is shit out of luck. LOL

If you love the Viet Cong so much, why don't be a real Viet Cong live in Viet Cong land, I'm sure they would love another addition to Bac Ho's nephews.

Whatever!

First of all, I'm not a hipocrite! My stand has always been the same. I might have been born into the VNCH regime but I don't have to support it for what it did (or what its remnants are still doing in Little Saigon!). Your argument against the communist government of VN is the same old argument heard over and over the overseas media the last century. Vietnam today is not the same Vietnam of 20 or even 10 years ago. A lot of good changes have been made and I, for one, am HAPPY about those changes because the people's lives are better today than ever in Vietnam's entire history.

Between the party that successfully organized the fight for independence for VN and the party(ies) that did nothing (or perhaps even was/were created by the French colonialist), I have much more respect for the first one. Does this mean I am supporting its dictatorial control of the people? No! No doubt, Vietnam needs more freedom and, yes, democracy. But both of these have to come gradually and I believe that they have been easing into VN as the younger generation takes control of the country.

What I don't like about the anti-communists is that no matter what the government of VN does that is good enough for them. Damn if it does and damn if it doesn't. Why is it that the Vietnamese people (inside VN) are so upbeat and confident in the country's future according to every single poll taken by international organizations? It is not just by chance that they feel that way. What they feel comes from their own living experience after comparing their lives from what it used to be and what it is now. Is this shared by the anti-communists? NO! Their view is just the opposite which makes them unreliable and unworthy to the Vietnamese people inside VN.

Why don't I live in VC land? I would LOVE to do that, Siddude. That is the dream that I hope someday will come true. (It has to do with my personal timing and nothing to do with the country's timing).

Oh, and don't bring Nguyen Van Ly into the discussion. Even the Catholic church in VN ignores him! (Also, the Vatican delegation said nothing about him upon leaving after a visit to the country)

Oh, and don't bring Nguyen Van Ly into the discussion. Even the Catholic church in VN ignores him! (Also, the Vatican delegation said nothing about him upon leaving after a visit to the country)
famster,

Have you heard of the WHOLE free world against VC imprisonment of Pastor Ly? I guess I totally lost you there from your comment!!!

--Capee

What I don't like about the anti-communists is that no matter what the government of VN does that is good enough for them
This is the reason why I don't even bother to "debate" with these "people". They are just a group of angry losers who bitch and whine all day and for the rest of their lifes.:ohno:

First of all, I'm not a hipocrite! My stand has always been the same. I might have been born into the VNCH regime but I don't have to support it for what it did (or what its remnants are still doing in Little Saigon!). Your argument against the communist government of VN is the same old argument heard over and over the overseas media the last century. Vietnam today is not the same Vietnam of 20 or even 10 years ago. A lot of good changes have been made and I, for one, am HAPPY about those changes because the people's lives are better today than ever in Vietnam's entire history.

Between the party that successfully organized the fight for independence for VN and the party(ies) that did nothing (or perhaps even was/were created by the French colonialist), I have much more respect for the first one. Does this mean I am supporting its dictatorial control of the people? No! No doubt, Vietnam needs more freedom and, yes, democracy. But both of these have to come gradually and I believe that they have been easing into VN as the younger generation takes control of the country.

What I don't like about the anti-communists is that no matter what the government of VN does that is good enough for them. Damn if it does and damn if it doesn't. Why is it that the Vietnamese people (inside VN) are so upbeat and confident in the country's future according to every single poll taken by international organizations? It is not just by chance that they feel that way. What they feel comes from their own living experience after comparing their lives from what it used to be and what it is now. Is this shared by the anti-communists? NO! Their view is just the opposite which makes them unreliable and unworthy to the Vietnamese people inside VN.

Why don't I live in VC land? I would LOVE to do that, Siddude. That is the dream that I hope someday will come true. (It has to do with my personal timing and nothing to do with the country's timing).

Oh, and don't bring Nguyen Van Ly into the discussion. Even the Catholic church in VN ignores him! (Also, the Vatican delegation said nothing about him upon leaving after a visit to the country)

;)

siddude
people living oversea and watch Vietnam HTV5 through satelite dish....need I say more?

siddude
people living oversea and watch Vietnam HTV5 through satelite dish....need I say more?

Yeah Bang, your point is well taken...:lol: :lol: :lol:

--Capee

siddude
people living oversea and watch Vietnam HTV5 through satelite dish....need I say more?

ditto with overseas vietnamese watching SBTN on sattelite dish!

famster,

Have you heard of the WHOLE free world against VC imprisonment of Pastor Ly? I guess I totally lost you there from your comment!!!

--Capee

Capee,

The WHOLE free world is against Nguyen Van Ly's arrest because the WHOLE world thinks that communist VN is against Ly's preaching of Christianity in VN! The fact is that no one who has been to VN can argue that religions, especially Christianity, are repressed. As a matter of fact, they flourish there. Churches are filled with worshipers at every sunday mass which is not a sign of religious repression!

What the communist government of VN does not allow is political freedom which Nguyen Van Ly is fighting for. He should be treated like any other so-called 'freedom fighters' according to Vietnamese law. You and the "WHOLE" free world can argue about his rights to fight for political freedom but don't mix it with any fight for 'religious freedom' which he should not be credited for. He just happens to be the guy who wears a priest outfit, that's all. This is why the Catholic church in Vietnam ignores him all these years despite his many attempts to get it to be involved in his fight. The BBC interviewed a Catholic priest recently who spoke with the same tone about why the Catholic church of VN has been so quiet about Ly's arrest.

In the highlands of VN, there seem to be signs of religious repression. But this is not purely religious, either. There are denominations of Christianity that are not recognized in VN by the communist government. Not being "officially recognized" doesn't mean that one cannot practice the religion. One just cannot get permit to build a church that assembles an 'allowable' number of people. The montagnards mostly practice a Christian denomination that was brought over by the Americans during the war. The Hmongs were baptized and at the same time, were trained by the CIA to fight against the VC during the war. They were the fiercest anti-communist fighters and number one ally of the US forces in South VN. Because of this, the Vietnamese communist government is still very suspicious of these people because as far as everyone is concerned, the religion equates the anti-communist sentiments that the Hmongs were trained to have. It will take years before the communist, and even the Hmongs, to be able to separate the two!

AND I'M SO SICK OF VC BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE LIKE NGUYEN VAN DAI, LE THI CONG NHAN, AND NGUYEN VAN LY! Tell your red monkeys to behave!

Give us the terrorist Ly Tong and we'll give you these guys :banana:

The problem with many former Saigon regime supporters is that they just repeat whatever the French (pre-1954) and American said (pre-1975 and up until now), without any observation and/or thinking for themselves :bash:

The US did won over the Soviet Union, agreed. But in Vietnam the "puppet" regime lost miserably to the nationalist (you can safely say that they lost to the people of Vietnam).

In the future the Communist party may strengthen their position or be toppled, all depending on how they handle issues such as corruption, economic developments, national security etc, but never will a system that support foreign occupation and the killing of its own people survive in Vietnam.

Plus, a note about free press: people living in rural Vietnam before 1975 did have the "free" press provided by American and the SVN government. But guess which side did most of them choose? Once their house got burned, they saw with their own eyes innocent people slaughtered, the decision to make was clear to them.

Siddude, do you have family? Imagine somebody came to your house and cut your papa's throat and raped your little sister in front of your eyes. That's what they did in Vietnam (and that's what they're doing in Iraq).

Capee,

The WHOLE free world is against Nguyen Van Ly's arrest because the WHOLE world thinks that communist VN is against Ly's preaching of Christianity in VN! The fact is that no one who has been to VN can argue that religions, especially Christianity, are repressed. As a matter of fact, they flourish there. Churches are filled with worshipers at every sunday mass which is not a sign of religious repression!
!

I chose not to involve long endless arguments with you old dunks.......but what the hell are you talking about? Just what the hell do you know about anything?

father Ly was arrested because he was trying to protect the land. your super cool VC government was trying to take land from the church.

This is the real story I was told from a catholic in Hue. He helped Nguyet Bieu church putting up chicken wire fence at night to prevent the VC police from entering. If I made this crap up may God crash me tomorrow when I'm in traffic

You're from nowhere and you're speaking up for Father Ly and telling the whole world is wrong and stupid and couldn't figure out what's right and what wrong? How dare you?

I don't know what hole you crawl in to pray but speak for that....don't speak for my church. when people cry for help........you help them........you don't tell them to go to hell

the losers are the one who's running away from Vn when the VC took over, and now supporting them shamelessly......we don't care what you say or how well you try to cover up.....we can tell your true nature by the way you speak........the VC done this and that ..it's wrong ......but but but....always a big fat BUTT to decorate your dirty face.

so I speak once more.......don't represent my church......you are nothing but a runaway....you have no principle.......and I don't think the VC wants you either because they do know how to separate a supporter from a traitor

Unless your intention is here for building and construction.....your first post in here means crap...........because we all know you're a clone.......either have been received a lot of warnings or just a scary cat.
I am sorry......I know how to read people and don't try to fool me. the nick name says it all. a stupid nickname

Give us the terrorist Ly Tong and we'll give you these guys :banana:

The problem with many former Saigon regime supporters is that they just repeat whatever the French (pre-1954) and American said (pre-1975 and up until now), without any observation and/or thinking for themselves :bash:

The US did won over the Soviet Union, agreed. But in Vietnam the "puppet" regime lost miserably to the nationalist (you can safely say that they lost to the people of Vietnam).

In the future the Communist party may strengthen their position or be toppled, all depending on how they handle issues such as corruption, economic developments, national security etc, but never will a system that support foreign occupation and the killing of its own people survive in Vietnam.

Plus, a note about free press: people living in rural Vietnam before 1975 did have the "free" press provided by American and the SVN government. But guess which side did most of them choose? Once their house got burned, they saw with their own eyes innocent people slaughtered, the decision to make was clear to them.

Siddude, do you have family? Imagine somebody came to your house and cut your papa's throat and raped your little sister in front of your eyes. That's what they did in Vietnam (and that's what they're doing in Iraq).

I chose not to involve long endless arguments with you old dunks.......but what the hell are you talking about? Just what the hell do you know about anything?

father Ly was arrested because he was trying to protect the land. your super cool VC government was trying to take land from the church.

This is the real story I was told from a catholic in Hue. He helped Nguyet Bieu church putting up chicken wire fence at night to prevent the VC police from entering. If I made this crap up may God crash me tomorrow when I'm in traffic

You're from nowhere and you're speaking up for Father Ly and telling the whole world is wrong and stupid and couldn't figure out what's right and what wrong? How dare you?

I don't know what hole you crawl in to pray but speak for that....don't speak for my church. when people cry for help........you help them........you don't tell them to go to hell

the losers are the one who's running away from Vn when the VC took over, and now supporting them shamelessly......we don't care what you say or how well you try to cover up.....we can tell your true nature by the way you speak........the VC done this and that ..it's wrong ......but but but....always a big fat BUTT to decorate your dirty face.

so I speak once more.......don't represent my church......you are nothing but a runaway....you have no principle.......and I don't think the VC wants you either because they do know how to separate a supporter from a traitor

You should really read up on Nguyen Van Ly's political activities, dear little sheep! Here is what the BBC said about Nguyen Van Ly:

"Cha Lý là một trong những chủ biên của của tờ báo Tự Do Ngôn Luận và sáng lập viên của phong trào dân chủ 8406.

Ông cũng là cố vấn cho đảng Thăng tiến Việt Nam do một nhóm hoạt động dân chủ tại Việt Nam thành lập."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/vietnamese/vietnam/story/2007/02/070226_fatherly_charged.shtml

Please explain the silence the Catholic church in VN keeps about him. Do you think the Cathlic church of VN would be so quiet if Ly's arrest was purely about religious repression? What about the Vatican delegation that just visited VN? Are they also..."scared" of the communist government to speak up their mind regarding Nguyen Van Ly? If they choose to ignore your Nguyen Van Ly, I, too, can ignore his cry for help!

Since you mentioned of church's properties, let me ask you this: In almost every city of VN, there is a nice big church sitting right there in the middle of the best section of town. How did the church get such nice property in the first place, and so uniformly across the country, too?! Did the church pay for those properties fair and square or were they somehow favored by the French colonial government to get them?! In some cases, temples were torn down to make place for the Catholic churches that French missionaries eventually built!

Calm down, will you? ;-)

Unless your intention is here for building and construction.....your first post in here means crap...........because we all know you're a clone.......either have been received a lot of warnings or just a scary cat.
I am sorry......I know how to read people and don't try to fool me. the nick name says it all. a stupid nickname

Today is my first day browsing the forums here. The buildings amazed me, but the political crap some oversea Vietnamese bring up just make me sick. IT seems that they just don't get it.

One last point, this is my first nickname here. I didn't intend to register but just couldn't stand those posts so I decided register to say something (I chose the nickname also to make a point on that). So much for your "knowing how to read people".
People like you never stop to entertain others :D But please change the style, we're tired of it. Besides, this is not the place. Go to other forums for that crap. This site is for skyrise buildings.

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vn1975victory don't pay to much attention to what Bang says. He is a bit gay which might explain why he loves everything french so much..

starscream is playing with VC now eh?

Since you mentioned of church's properties, let me ask you this: In almost every city of VN, there is a nice big church sitting right there in the middle of the best section of town. How did the church get such nice property in the first place, and so uniformly across the country, too?! Did the church pay for those properties fair and square or were they somehow favored by the French colonial government to get them?! In some cases, temples were torn down to make place for the Catholic churches that French missionaries eventually built!

Calm down, will you? ;-)

and don't you forget that....not ever in your lifetime

Today is my first day browsing the forums here. The buildings amazed me, but the political crap some oversea Vietnamese bring up just make me sick. IT seems that they just don't get it.

One last point, this is my first nickname here. I didn't intend to register but just couldn't stand those posts so I decided register to say something (I chose the nickname also to make a point on that). So much for your "knowing how to read people".
People like you never stop to entertain others :D But please change the style, we're tired of it. Besides, this is not the place. Go to other forums for that crap. This site is for skyrise buildings.

really? swear to me if you tell any lies may lightning strikes you

and lets remember this kiddo.........when we don't like the VC doesn't mean we're supporter of the south republic regime.
we don't know that regime, we don't fight with them for them.....we've never seen them and we don't care about them.
republic of southern VN is long gone it cease to exist with me.....only those old guys in little saigon still buiilding statue and worship that regime.

I DON"T..

I just hate the VC and the way they destroy VN... period.
and who are you to talk about building and construction?
you don't intend to register but couldn't stand to join what an idiotic thing to do......if ya don't like something walk away from it. free your mind from stress and pressure.....that's the smart thing to do.

I am me, there is no style....I am just like you with a belly full of crap and we all use the washroom everynow and then.....so don't put me in an awkward situation by prasing me.....because you have nothing to associate yourself with building and construction but supporting the VC.

don't tickle me.....there are other forums you go there and join.....don't tell me to do anything

don't you forget this I'm good with psychology

and you just lost yourself there........

this is the first time you're browsing through the website and you have the time to see all the wonderful building pictures and read all the political statements and are tired of it (on your first time)

and you also know my style and want me to change.........what style? you;'re here the first time.....what do you know about me or my style?

this is your first time what do u know about this website to tell me to go to other website?

don't lose yourself....



sorry moonsoon I don;t want you to waste your time with all the crap in this forum when you're still in school studying.....I want you to keep your head fresh when you're comming into classes........but as you could tell....some people are so belong to another world and speak of ill manner which I don't tollerate.....once again sorry little friend.

ps. please also check out that new person ID and tell me if he;s a clone......unless he's in Vietnam and using pubblic computer then ......ha

May I say we've got enough of this crap?

People, please, discussion is encouraged but here is not the place to release your stress, to the point that no one would think logically anymore. The art of putting arguments and examples has turned to no more than a chick fight.

don't you forget this I'm good with psychology

and you just lost yourself there........

this is the first time you're browsing through the website and you have the time to see all the wonderful building pictures and read all the political statements and are tired of it (on your first time)

and you also know my style and want me to change.........what style? you;'re here the first time.....what do you know about me or my style?

this is your first time what do u know about this website to tell me to go to other website?

don't lose yourself....



sorry moonsoon I don;t want you to waste your time with all the crap in this forum when you're still in school studying.....I want you to keep your head fresh when you're comming into classes........but as you could tell....some people are so belong to another world and speak of ill manner which I don't tollerate.....once again sorry little friend.

ps. please also check out that new person ID and tell me if he;s a clone......unless he's in Vietnam and using pubblic computer then ......ha

I'm in the US bang :banana: , knowing too well about those people that I mentioned. Older generation: blame the US for not sending enough money and weapons. Younger generation: blame the communist on every single problems in Vietnam today. I call both types of these people "the blamers".

Another "symptom" of this "sickness" is North - South discrimination. When I was in Vietnam I never had to think about me or any of my friends being from the north or the south. But the very first day talking to some ex-SVN people here in the US they brought up this issue. Later I experienced the same thing over and over again.

To be fair, people like these are everywhere, showing their attitudes in different forms for different reasons. But the root cause of this way of thinking is the same: jealousy and bitterness. In Vietnam's case, it's their bitterness for not winning the war. Lets face it, that's the truth. (In your case, bang, you did not develop it directly since you're too young and did not experience the war, but you probably have infected that way of thinking through your family, your neighbors, your friends, etc). It also happened to the US after the civil war, and lasted for decades. (Not that I'm saying the war in Vietnam was a civil war).

Give you an example: Hanoi is one of the few cities/provinces that contribute more to the national budget than receiving from it. The money may go from Hanoi to Ha Bac, Lao Cai or Minh Hai, Dong Thap, but the people there just don't care. It's in the normal development of a country. Just like the US federal government use New Yorkers' tax money to build roads in New Orleans.
This makes me think of the Dung Quat oil refinery. I've been thinking that had they not picked Dung Quat as the place for the refinery but instead chose somewhere else - for example - in Thanh Hoa, to kick off economic development in that poor province, many southerners would have shouted or whined as if the South was discriminated against.

Fortunately for Vietnam, this way of thinking is harder to find its place nowadays. I say that's fortunate for Vietnam, because this "division in the mind" is dangerous for national security. If another war breaks out with another country, they will definitely exploit it in every way they can.

Hopefully in 20 years nobody in Vietnam will ever care if they are from the south or the north (in a discriminating sense) anymore.

Sorry SaigoneseKid I didn't see your post until after I "submit"ted mine.
Anyway, that is my last post regarding the issue. What I need to say has been said, I don't need to say it any more.

what a load of crap

my family, firends and neighbours Ha.....I don't associate with them everyday like I do with school, work, society, local English media......you foeget to mention that....and oh yeah the world hates VC too.

moonsoon he's in the US which means he only has 1 PC from the begining check out his ID and tell me if this victory fighting machine hero is a clone.

what a load of crap

my family, firends and neighbours Ha.....I don't associate with them everyday like I do with school, work, society, local English media......you foeget to mention that....and oh yeah the world hates VC too.

moonsoon he's in the US which means he only has 1 PC from the begining check out his ID and tell me if this victory fighting machine hero is a clone.

Why are you so obsessed about checking people's IP address?! What difference does it make if he is first time poster or multi-time poster under different names? What he stands for is more important than what name(s) he chooses to use! Or you are so naive to think that almost no one else has his line of thinking, except him?! And what if someone accuses "bang" as being the same as "siddude", "capee" or all who agree with "bang"?! Now, isn't that a laughable idea?

why are you so obsessed of the well being of the VC and feel the need to speak out?

có tật giựt mình hả? ta đây ai muốn nghĩ gì cũng được, muốn check cái gì cũng xong........siddude ở đâu hỏi him về nơi he đang sống, capee đang sống ở đâu hỏi him về nơi đang sống nếu 3 người không trả lời được thì mi biết là clone...

ta không bao giờ làm mấy cái chuyện vớ vẩn đó, tại vì ta chưa có con nhưng ta thấy ta có trách nhiệm không nên làm cái gì xấu hổ để mai này ta còn dám nhìn mặt con của ta.......thành ra trời xanh ta cứ nhìn, gió thanh ta cứ hít..........chỉ có phạm tội mới chạy tội

why are you so obsessed of the well being of the VC and feel the need to speak out?

có tật giựt mình hả? ta đây ai muốn nghĩ gì cũng được, muốn check cái gì cũng xong........siddude ở đâu hỏi him về nơi he đang sống, capee đang sống ở đâu hỏi him về nơi đang sống nếu 3 người không trả lời được thì mi biết là clone...

ta không bao giờ làm mấy cái chuyện vớ vẩn đó, tại vì ta chưa có con nhưng ta thấy ta có trách nhiệm không nên làm cái gì xấu hổ để mai này ta còn dám nhìn mặt con của ta.......thành ra trời xanh ta cứ nhìn, gió thanh ta cứ hít..........chỉ có phạm tội mới chạy tội

because siddue always need to use cheap attacks in everything :lol:

why are you so obsessed of the well being of the VC and feel the need to speak out?

có tật giựt mình hả? ta đây ai muốn nghĩ gì cũng được, muốn check cái gì cũng xong........siddude ở đâu hỏi him về nơi he đang sống, capee đang sống ở đâu hỏi him về nơi đang sống nếu 3 người không trả lời được thì mi biết là clone...

ta không bao giờ làm mấy cái chuyện vớ vẩn đó, tại vì ta chưa có con nhưng ta thấy ta có trách nhiệm không nên làm cái gì xấu hổ để mai này ta còn dám nhìn mặt con của ta.......thành ra trời xanh ta cứ nhìn, gió thanh ta cứ hít..........chỉ có phạm tội mới chạy tội

Don't you GET it?! I used the example of "bang", "siddude", and "capee" just so that you can see how ridiculous it is to doubt one's identity by his/her nick in here. It is the message that matters, not the nick of the posters. Now GET IT! ;-)