I was curious to see if anyone knows how many companies have relocated, expanded or have considered relocating to Baltimore in the last several years.

Why do I not hear Baltimore mentioned more when companies are looking to relocate? I remember Baltimore was in the running for the Rubbermaid Headquarters, but lost out to Atlanta a couple years ago.

What is it that we are or are not doing to peek the interest of companies looking to relocate and what can we do to better position ourselves to compete and win?

Any ideas as to when we can expect to see a large corporation relocate to the city?

^^ Your asking for it with this topic question, ya know.... :runaway:
I can feel his presence....:runaway:

^^ Yeah, I think we should run indeed. :lol:

I was curious to see if anyone knows how many companies have relocated, expanded or have considered relocating to Baltimore in the last several years.

Why do I not hear Baltimore mentioned more when companies are looking to relocate? I remember Baltimore was in the running for the Rubbermaid Headquarters, but lost out to Atlanta a couple years ago.

What is it that we are or are not doing to peek the interest of companies looking to relocate and what can we do to better position ourselves to compete and win?

Any ideas as to when we can expect to see a large corporation relocate to the city?

A good question may be what does Baltimore offer over the cities of the sunbelt and parts of the mountain west? It has historical value in many of its neighborhoods, and 2 great universities/hospitals in Hopkins and Maryland, but really nothing much else stands out above those cities. I can't think of anything else significant that would compel a company to move to Baltimore over Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Tampa, Houston, Phoenix, et. al.

A good question may be what does Baltimore offer over the cities of the sunbelt and parts of the mountain west? It has historical value in many of its neighborhoods, which is a major plus, but really nothing else stands out above those cities.
A beautiful waterfront location.
A rather moderate climate.
A high level of educational attainment.
An increasingly effective mass transit system.
Near total absence of natural disasters.
Baltimore is part of the 2nd most powerful metro area in the country.
Baltimore is part of the 7th largest economy on the planet and 3rd largest in the Western Hemisphere.
Baltimore is 2 hours by train from the most powerful city in the world, global financial capital and largest economy.

^^ Your asking for it with this topic question, ya know.... :runaway:
I can feel his presence....:runaway:

LOL...why do I even know who you are talking about?? :lol:

I understand as well.. I guess I wasn't thinking.. but for me that's normal most of the time.. :)

We don't have any great natural beauty or naturally distinctive features (The Bay isn't really a visible feature).
We don't have great weather (like the west coast).
We're a rust belt city, with the weight of rust belt history hanging over us--deterioration, segregation, crime, brownfields, lack of land for new development.....

Most of the rust-belters, those that rose to prominence before WWI, are in a similar situation, if not worse: Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Buffalo.

Chicago and to a lesser extent Philly did well because they were the largest and had the best infrastructure (transit) to keep going and the cosolidation occured there. Boston (once semi-rusty) had it's educational institutions (and transit) to pull it through. NYC is the business capital of everything and not worth comparing.

The South and the West coast (except SF) were nothing until after WWII. Those new cities have a fresh slate to work with and don't have to deal with space and preservation and such. They can build as much parking as they want, expand their boundaries without a fight, etc....New Orleans was always an exceptional-type city, and outside of tourism and culture, things aren't/weren't that great for them.

Look at SanFran:

Weather
Natural Beauty
(and more recently BART ;))

'nuff said.

Nate

I was curious to see if anyone knows how many companies have relocated, expanded or have considered relocating to Baltimore in the last several years.

Why do I not hear Baltimore mentioned more when companies are looking to relocate? I remember Baltimore was in the running for the Rubbermaid Headquarters, but lost out to Atlanta a couple years ago.

What is it that we are or are not doing to peek the interest of companies looking to relocate and what can we do to better position ourselves to compete and win?

Any ideas as to when we can expect to see a large corporation relocate to the city?

Anti-Growth Left Wing Extremist Tax Guzzling Democrat Politicians and they're Slaves(anti-Growth Extremist Groups, and FALSE Baltimore/Maryland Citizens) are the cause of Lack of Business Growth in Baltimore.

^^ Your asking for it with this topic question, ya know.... :runaway:
I can feel his presence....:runaway:

Oh BTW that Getontrac fella is part of the distruction to keep Baltimore from competing against other Upscale cities like Atlanta, Houston, Charlotte, Philly, Boston, etc.

A beautiful waterfront location.
A rather moderate climate.
A high level of educational attainment.
An increasingly effective mass transit system.
Near total absence of natural disasters.
Baltimore is part of the 2nd most powerful metro area in the country.
Baltimore is part of the 7th largest economy on the planet and 3rd largest in the Western Hemisphere.
Baltimore is 2 hours by train from the most powerful city in the world, global financial capital and largest economy.

But why are you folx sooo damn anti-Highways when it comes to completing the Interstate System through Baltimore but have no problem supporting Mass Transit when it is not 100% dependible, and why are you people are soo heavily against Building Multi-Level Upscale Indoor Malls in Baltimore???????????????????

We're a rust belt city, with the weight of rust belt history hanging over us--deterioration, segregation, crime, brownfields, lack of land for new development.....

There are certainly different degrees of rust belt city. We're by no means in the league of Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Detroit. We're more educated, wealthier, bigger and we're on a much better block. The problem is that people don't know that because we garnered an equally awful reputation. This is probably a result of the huge crime wave. Washingtonians are also to blame for looking down their collective nose at Baltimore.

But why are you folx sooo damn anti-Highways when it comes to completing the Interstate System through Baltimore but have no problem supporting Mass Transit when it is not 100% dependible, and why are you people are soo heavily against Building Multi-Level Upscale Indoor Malls in Baltimore???????????????????
At this point, mass transit is an increasingly cost effective way to travel.

^Baltimore and those other cities were pretty comparable to us in those categories at the time. Certainly Detroit was a huge and powerful city--in fact at once time it was called the "Paris of the West". Pittsburgh and Cleveland still retain significant educational institutions.

You know, every big 19th century city was more or less a "blue-collar" city, except DC, and it wasn't that big then. The rust economies were based off of strategic geographic location and/or natural resources. Most people were poor and working class. "Middle-class" was a much smaller segment of the population. Then the even smaller wealthy. It's only been since WWII that things have rapidly changed, drastically increasing the size of the middle-class and rendering geographic less important with emerging technologies, cheap oil, and the global economy.

Baltimore hasn't done that bad, and that's with the heroin and crime (really, murder) issues.

Nate

DAP moved its world headquarters here.

We seem to be better at developing young companies that then get bought out recently.

Although maybe companies like Underarmour or the Leggmason could buck that trend.

There are certainly different degrees of rust belt city. We're by no means in the league of Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Detroit. We're more educated, wealthier, bigger and we're on a much better block. The problem is that people don't know that because we garnered an equally awful reputation. This is probably a result of the huge crime wave. Washingtonians are also to blame for looking down their collective nose at Baltimore.


At this point, mass transit is an increasingly cost effective way to travel.

But no one can prove that building light rails and buses can attract over 1 million passangers.

And that type of mentality is whats holding Baltimore behind other modern upscale cities that have Major Interstate Highways.

But no one can prove that building light rails and buses can attract over 1 million passangers.

And that type of mentality is whats holding Baltimore behind other modern upscale cities that have Major Interstate Highways.

In my opinion, this country's greatest cities all happen to be cities with fantastic mass transit (see: NYC, DC, Boston, SanFran, Chicago and increasingly LA). Atlanta may be attracting a lot of businesses, but the downtown is absolutely awful. I wouldn't trade it for Baltimore's any day. Great, vibrant downtowns cannot be created in a car oriented city, theres not enough room for all the cars on the roads. With gas prices heading up, the cost to the economy of relying on cars becomes increasingly high.

Baltimore is not on the map. Its plain and simple. If you don’t know what is great about a place and there is not that national and global image out there, then we will never attract big companies. Why are we not on the map? A lot of it has to do with our image. A lot of it has to do with our neighboring cities. How can we step out of DC’s shadow? We can’t, it’s the capital and its main industry is government and service. We were once out of their shadow because we offered a different industry, manufacturing. We were blue collar and that is how we differentiated ourselves from DC. But we are not that anymore so we have an even bigger battle now. We are also so close to Philly and also NYC. With so much competition for the big companies, the cards are stacked against us. Those companies are HQ’d in cities that project images of excitement, power, culture etc. We have that and we know it from being local, but these companies and the people who work for those companies don’t know it.

So that is why Harlem is dead on in so many ways with his MD is anti business. Granted they are way exaggerated. But if we don’t offer companies the image of NYC, Philly, Chicago, the other big dense old cities that they need to retain workers if they are to ever move here, we need to use a bigger carrot to get them here. What do we have? Waterfront property in the city, and lots of it. We need to get Westport going and give Pat tax money and tax breaks to get his infrastructure in place. We need to trash that crappy proposed sports complex next to the stadiums and make it office. We need to pour our financial incentives and help to the developers who are developing in and around the water and around existing transit lines so we can start to offer a healthy balance of car and transit to create an urban sapling that will grow and start to provide fruit in the form of tax dollars. We need to keep on nurturing Hopkins and keep them happy. They are our only world famous brand in the City and we need that positive identy. They are the only indsury that attracts the absolute BEST talent in the world. And look at the shit hole location its in? It a miracle that they have overcome their neighborhood to thrive.

We need politicians who have the backbone to make the right decisions and not pander to their constituents who just have their hands out looking for a free ride. EVERYTHING is such a HUGE battle to get ANYTHING DONE here in town because the politicians are at the mercy of the old line baltioreons who yearn for days long gone and are afraid of the future. Afreaid of development. Afriad of yuppies. Afraid of breaking from the same old same old. Look at how always wins our elections…INCUMBENTS. So how can we get better with the same old people in office. But that is the political machine here in town and its self serving and sucks the life out of the good people here in town in so many ways. I helped Nicole Pastore Klien’s city council campaign in the 10th district 4 years ago or so. What I will never forget was hearing from quite a few people in my neighborhood association. “I don’t like her. She is too smart” Well that sums up our problem. We are afraid of putting someone in power who is smarter than we are.

Thanks for listening to my morning rant. I have a traffic calming task force meeting tonight as well as a key higway urp meeting tonight. The traffic task force is promising. The key highway URP is frustration. 2 years and counting trying to get a swath of land rezoned…. That sums it up as to why doing business here in the City is so unattractive.

Don't worry, I'll be having the same rant once I get to my City office ;)

Nate

There are certainly different degrees of rust belt city. We're by no means in the league of Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Detroit. We're more educated, wealthier, bigger and we're on a much better block.

I absolutely love Baltimore, but I have to call you out on this one. I'm not sure where you get your information, but Baltimore is NOT bigger than Detroit, not in city or MSA population. And I know for a fact that Baltimore always ranks very high in infant mortality, STD, crime and poverty rates. I seriously doubt B'more is in much better shape than the other cities you mentioned, although it does appear healthier on the surface.

I absolutely love Baltimore, but I have to call you out on this one. I'm not sure where you get your information, but Baltimore is NOT bigger than Detroit, not in city or MSA population. And I know for a fact that Baltimore always ranks very high in infant mortality, STD, crime and poverty rates. I seriously doubt B'more is in much better shape than the other cities you mentioned, although it does appear healthier on the surface.
Baltimore is part of the Baltimore-Washington Metro Area which is over 1.5 times the size of Detroit.

In the context of the discussion, Detroit would be properly referred to as the larger city and metro area, since the subject is specifically Baltimore; and our seperate metro area is smaller than theirs. Baltimore and DC were seperate in the past.

Nate

Baltimore is part of the Baltimore-Washington Metro Area which is over 1.5 times the size of Detroit.

Come on now, Baltimore and DC may share a consolidated metropolitan complex, but for practical purposes, they are two distinctly different cities.

Since it only takes 1 stone to make ripples, what size and caliber of company would Baltimore need to attract so that others would take notice of the city?

Compared to other major cities on the east coast Baltimore
office rates are much lower. the region offers an extremely talented labor pool to choose from. History, culture, top medical facilities etc.

Maybe we just need to put more manpower and financial incentives to pursue and convince companies that Baltimore is the right choice.

While I am not for giving companies a free ride with financial incentives, maybe we need to sweeten the pot for the first several that are willing to relocate to the city. A cluster of well known and respected companies would defiantly give Baltimore an image boost.

I understand that Baltimore cannot do it on it's own. It will take a city, state and private partnership. Money alone is not the answer, but you have to start somewhere.

Baltimore like all cities has it's share of trouble spots, but we tend to focus more on the cities shortcomings than we do it's assets.

I think Baltimore would be the IDEAL corporate headquarters city on the East Coast. You've got two unbeatable assets -- location and affordability. How can you top that?!

^^ Your asking for it with this topic question, ya know.... :runaway:
I can feel his presence....:runaway:
^^yep, it's just a matter of time......lol:D




But no one can prove that building light rails and buses can attract over 1 million passangers.
And that type of mentality is whats holding Baltimore behind other modern upscale cities that have Major Interstate Highways.
^^^^.....and there he is!!!! i knew his footsteps would eventually come creepin'.........LOL:D

The original question -- "why do companies overlook Baltimore?" -- has many different reasons. And, I agree with jeffbaltimore, that Maryland tends to be viewed as anti-business. Not that it is entirely true, but there definitively exists that perception.

Also, I agree with his comments about political forces at play; incompetence never spawns anything positive. You only need to look at the DC government to see what happens when you elect incompetent officials, i.e. Marion Barry.

However, my conservative business sense tells me the best thing we can do to encourage business growth isn't to spend more money on fostering economic development, but to ease the burden of doing business. The example jeffbaltimore used, where it has taken two years to rezone a plot of land, is ridiculous. That example clearly demonstrates a problem. Certainly laws are in place to defend and protect, but sometimes the process can overwhelm and asphyxiate.

If state/local government wants a business to prosper, it will do everything legally possible to enable that to happen. Believe me, once that happens, others will notice...and follow suit.

Baltimore is not on the map. Its plain and simple. If you don’t know what is great about a place and there is not that national and global image out there, then we will never attract big companies. Why are we not on the map? A lot of it has to do with our image. A lot of it has to do with our neighboring cities. How can we step out of DC’s shadow? We can’t, it’s the capital and its main industry is government and service. We were once out of their shadow because we offered a different industry, manufacturing. We were blue collar and that is how we differentiated ourselves from DC. But we are not that anymore so we have an even bigger battle now. We are also so close to Philly and also NYC. With so much competition for the big companies, the cards are stacked against us. Those companies are HQ’d in cities that project images of excitement, power, culture etc. We have that and we know it from being local, but these companies and the people who work for those companies don’t know it.

So that is why Harlem is dead on in so many ways with his MD is anti business. Granted they are way exaggerated. But if we don’t offer companies the image of NYC, Philly, Chicago, the other big dense old cities that they need to retain workers if they are to ever move here, we need to use a bigger carrot to get them here. What do we have? Waterfront property in the city, and lots of it. We need to get Westport going and give Pat tax money and tax breaks to get his infrastructure in place. We need to trash that crappy proposed sports complex next to the stadiums and make it office. We need to pour our financial incentives and help to the developers who are developing in and around the water and around existing transit lines so we can start to offer a healthy balance of car and transit to create an urban sapling that will grow and start to provide fruit in the form of tax dollars. We need to keep on nurturing Hopkins and keep them happy. They are our only world famous brand in the City and we need that positive identy. They are the only indsury that attracts the absolute BEST talent in the world. And look at the shit hole location its in? It a miracle that they have overcome their neighborhood to thrive.

We need politicians who have the backbone to make the right decisions and not pander to their constituents who just have their hands out looking for a free ride. EVERYTHING is such a HUGE battle to get ANYTHING DONE here in town because the politicians are at the mercy of the old line baltioreons who yearn for days long gone and are afraid of the future. Afreaid of development. Afriad of yuppies. Afraid of breaking from the same old same old. Look at how always wins our elections…INCUMBENTS. So how can we get better with the same old people in office. But that is the political machine here in town and its self serving and sucks the life out of the good people here in town in so many ways. I helped Nicole Pastore Klien’s city council campaign in the 10th district 4 years ago or so. What I will never forget was hearing from quite a few people in my neighborhood association. “I don’t like her. She is too smart” Well that sums up our problem. We are afraid of putting someone in power who is smarter than we are.

Thanks for listening to my morning rant. I have a traffic calming task force meeting tonight as well as a key higway urp meeting tonight. The traffic task force is promising. The key highway URP is frustration. 2 years and counting trying to get a swath of land rezoned…. That sums it up as to why doing business here in the City is so unattractive.

:applause:

Come on now, Baltimore and DC may share a consolidated metropolitan complex, but for practical purposes, they are two distinctly different cities.

They may have different characters and reputations, but as a metro area they are one. Just a few examples: The Baltimore's Symphony Orchestra has a secondary home in North Bethesda, Maryland just outside of DC where they play regularly, usually selling out. John's Hopkins has 2 campuses in DC's territory. UMD taps both cities. The institutions of Baltimore tap the populace and resources of their sister city, while Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh don't have a sister city to interact with.

^^^ I understand what you are trying to point out, but the economies of the two cities are immensely different and for this discussion should be viewed separately.

Note I said CITIES not METRO's.

Baltimore is not on the map. Its plain and simple. If you don’t know what is great about a place and there is not that national and global image out there, then we will never attract big companies. Why are we not on the map? A lot of it has to do with our image. A lot of it has to do with our neighboring cities. How can we step out of DC’s shadow? We can’t, it’s the capital and its main industry is government and service. We were once out of their shadow because we offered a different industry, manufacturing. We were blue collar and that is how we differentiated ourselves from DC. But we are not that anymore so we have an even bigger battle now. We are also so close to Philly and also NYC. With so much competition for the big companies, the cards are stacked against us. Those companies are HQ’d in cities that project images of excitement, power, culture etc. We have that and we know it from being local, but these companies and the people who work for those companies don’t know it.

So that is why Harlem is dead on in so many ways with his MD is anti business. Granted they are way exaggerated. But if we don’t offer companies the image of NYC, Philly, Chicago, the other big dense old cities that they need to retain workers if they are to ever move here, we need to use a bigger carrot to get them here. What do we have? Waterfront property in the city, and lots of it. We need to get Westport going and give Pat tax money and tax breaks to get his infrastructure in place. We need to trash that crappy proposed sports complex next to the stadiums and make it office. We need to pour our financial incentives and help to the developers who are developing in and around the water and around existing transit lines so we can start to offer a healthy balance of car and transit to create an urban sapling that will grow and start to provide fruit in the form of tax dollars. We need to keep on nurturing Hopkins and keep them happy. They are our only world famous brand in the City and we need that positive identy. They are the only indsury that attracts the absolute BEST talent in the world. And look at the shit hole location its in? It a miracle that they have overcome their neighborhood to thrive.

We need politicians who have the backbone to make the right decisions and not pander to their constituents who just have their hands out looking for a free ride. EVERYTHING is such a HUGE battle to get ANYTHING DONE here in town because the politicians are at the mercy of the old line baltioreons who yearn for days long gone and are afraid of the future. Afreaid of development. Afriad of yuppies. Afraid of breaking from the same old same old. Look at how always wins our elections…INCUMBENTS. So how can we get better with the same old people in office. But that is the political machine here in town and its self serving and sucks the life out of the good people here in town in so many ways. I helped Nicole Pastore Klien’s city council campaign in the 10th district 4 years ago or so. What I will never forget was hearing from quite a few people in my neighborhood association. “I don’t like her. She is too smart” Well that sums up our problem. We are afraid of putting someone in power who is smarter than we are.

Thanks for listening to my morning rant. I have a traffic calming task force meeting tonight as well as a key higway urp meeting tonight. The traffic task force is promising. The key highway URP is frustration. 2 years and counting trying to get a swath of land rezoned…. That sums it up as to why doing business here in the City is so unattractive.

Very well said, Jeff.

In my opinion, this country's greatest cities all happen to be cities with fantastic mass transit (see: NYC, DC, Boston, SanFran, Chicago and increasingly LA).

And they also have a Far Greater Interstate System than Baltimore.

Boston is very Democratic but they have the Common Intelligence and City/State Support to have the Big Dig built out as plan and completion.

NYC has a noice share of Expressways running through it.

San Francisco also has a nice share of highways/bridges passing through their city and Oakland.

Chicago and LA have Several Hundred Miles of Expressways running through their cities.

DC has a good Interstate system that they completed between Downtown and Virginia, look at I-395 and I-66, buT unfortunately your Maryland hating ancesters sabatoge ALL Forms of Interstate Highway building between DC and Maryland.

Atlanta may be attracting a lot of businesses, but the downtown is absolutely awful. I wouldn't trade it for Baltimore's any day. Great, vibrant downtowns cannot be created in a car oriented city, theres not enough room for all the cars on the roads. With gas prices heading up, the cost to the economy of relying on cars becomes increasingly high.

Now I know your telling a Damn Lie.

Baltimore is part of the Baltimore-Washington Metro Area which is over 1.5 times the size of Detroit.

So basically your saying that Baltimore Metro Area is smaller than Detroit Metro.

Since it only takes 1 stone to make ripples, what size and caliber of company would Baltimore need to attract so that others would take notice of the city?

Compared to other major cities on the east coast Baltimore
office rates are much lower. the region offers an extremely talented labor pool to choose from. History, culture, top medical facilities etc.

Maybe we just need to put more manpower and financial incentives to pursue and convince companies that Baltimore is the right choice.

While I am not for giving companies a free ride with financial incentives, maybe we need to sweeten the pot for the first several that are willing to relocate to the city. A cluster of well known and respected companies would defiantly give Baltimore an image boost.

I understand that Baltimore cannot do it on it's own. It will take a city, state and private partnership. Money alone is not the answer, but you have to start somewhere.

Baltimore like all cities has it's share of trouble spots, but we tend to focus more on the cities shortcomings than we do it's assets.

For starter get rid of the same old fashion good ol' boy democrats that have a long track record of promoting an anti-business agenda.

I think Baltimore would be the IDEAL corporate headquarters city on the East Coast. You've got two unbeatable assets -- location and affordability. How can you top that?!

I don't know about topping that but I do know that the Democrats and special interest groups have been trying to prevent a Corporate Upscale Fortune 500 HeadQuarters from Growing in Baltimore/Maryland for Decades.

The original question -- "why do companies overlook Baltimore?" -- has many different reasons. And, I agree with jeffbaltimore, that Maryland tends to be viewed as anti-business. Not that it is entirely true, but there definitively exists that perception.

Also, I agree with his comments about political forces at play; incompetence never spawns anything positive. You only need to look at the DC government to see what happens when you elect incompetent officials, i.e. Marion Barry.

However, my conservative business sense tells me the best thing we can do to encourage business growth isn't to spend more money on fostering economic development, but to ease the burden of doing business. The example jeffbaltimore used, where it has taken two years to rezone a plot of land, is ridiculous. That example clearly demonstrates a problem. Certainly laws are in place to defend and protect, but sometimes the process can overwhelm and asphyxiate.

If state/local government wants a business to prosper, it will do everything legally possible to enable that to happen. Believe me, once that happens, others will notice...and follow suit.

Until the good ol' boy Democrats get pushed out of Maryland Politics then nothing will ever change and Maryland will continue to be that anti-Business state while its neighbor to the south(Virginia) continues to reap from the Business Growth that they have been experiancing for the last few decades.

They may have different characters and reputations, but as a metro area they are one. Just a few examples: The Baltimore's Symphony Orchestra has a secondary home in North Bethesda, Maryland just outside of DC where they play regularly, usually selling out. John's Hopkins has 2 campuses in DC's territory. UMD taps both cities. The institutions of Baltimore tap the populace and resources of their sister city, while Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh don't have a sister city to interact with.

Your not making any sense.

Everything that you named is LOCATED in the STATE OF MARYLAND not DC.

OK; The day they retrocede DC back into the STATE OF MARYLAND then DC and Baltimore Metros can be combined into one Large Metro Area; until then they are COMPLETELY SEPERATED METRO AREAS.

Your not making any sense.

Everything that you named is LOCATED in the STATE OF MARYLAND not DC.

OK; The day they retrocede DC back into the STATE OF MARYLAND then DC and Baltimore Metros can be combined into one Large Metro Area; until then they are COMPLETELY SEPERATED METRO AREAS.

Actually, Johns Hopkins has two schools in DC: the School of Advanced International Studies and the School of Professional Studies in Business and Education.

What I just did is use something known as a "fact." Occasionally people like to use them in discussions rather than ranting with unbacked claims.

Your point is completely overblown.

:down: You know, I absolutely hate threads like this. If you want to know how many companies have moved to Baltimore in the recent past, simply send an e-mail to the Baltimore Development Corporation. They have a list of them and it is rather long. While we may not get fortune 500 companies relocating here, we do get many small and mid sized firms like Sylvan/Educate. They moved to Baltimore from Columbia a few years ago and have since quadrupled their office space.

Thanks for your imput.. I will now go to that web site and look for myself..

:down: You know, I absolutely hate threads like this. If you want to know how many companies have moved to Baltimore in the recent past, simply send an e-mail to the Baltimore Development Corporation. They have a list of them and it is rather long. While we may not get fortune 500 companies relocating here, we do get many small and mid sized firms like Sylvan/Educate. They moved to Baltimore from Columbia a few years ago and have since quadrupled their office space.

ugh...i know. It makes me wanna stop reading this forum. I know I just started but I have better things to do with my time then listen to people argue ideologies especially the urban (mass transit) vs. Suburban (interstate highways) debate. Btw, somehow I don't feel like Baltimore needs another interstate. Anyway, while this has been an interesting dialogue to have, no one is budging. Especially Harlem. He seems to say the same thing over and over in every post...each time more and more ridiculously. Apparently he thinks Northern Virginia is HEAVEN!!! That is just laughable. Most of the buildings there are made out of styrofoam so i'm not sure how long it'll stay "upscale." It was mostly just a real estate rush to see who could make the most money the fastest.

Until the good ol' boy Democrats get pushed out of Maryland Politics then nothing will ever change and Maryland will continue to be that anti-Business state while its neighbor to the south(Virginia) continues to reap from the Business Growth that they have been experiancing for the last few decades.
Oh give me a break. You're just bitter because the Dems blew a load all over the right wing bible-thumping Republicans in the midterms. Look at the most interesting cities in the country-- New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, etc.-- all are overwhelmingly Democratic, and yes, pro-business.

Actually, Johns Hopkins has two schools in DC: the School of Advanced International Studies and the School of Professional Studies in Business and Education.

What I just did is use something known as a "fact." Occasionally people like to use them in discussions rather than ranting with unbacked claims.

Your point is completely overblown.

They're not in DC and if so, please provide addresses.

Thanks!

:down: You know, I absolutely hate threads like this. If you want to know how many companies have moved to Baltimore in the recent past, simply send an e-mail to the Baltimore Development Corporation. They have a list of them and it is rather long. While we may not get fortune 500 companies relocating here, we do get many small and mid sized firms like Sylvan/Educate. They moved to Baltimore from Columbia a few years ago and have since quadrupled their office space.

But how many Upscale Fortune 500 HQ's move to Baltimore/Maryland from OTHER STATES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Oh give me a break. You're just bitter because the Dems blew a load all over the right wing bible-thumping Republicans in the midterms.

Its obvious that your non-Maryland arse can't seperate the difference between National and Local(city, county, and state) Politics.

Look at the most interesting cities in the country-- New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, etc.-- all are overwhelmingly Democratic, and yes, pro-business.

Which dosen't have a Damn thing to do with Baltimore/Maryland which makes a sane person wonder if you really are from Maryland.

Most if not ALL the Left Wing Extremist Democrats that Dictate Maryland are anti-Growth Communist that have a secret agenda to DESTROY ALL FORMS of Business/Economic/Revenue/Highway Growth in Maryland.

Here we go again

I never claimed to be from Maryland, I just like Baltimore. A lot. And I'm a die-hard, pro-urban, progressive Democrat.

They're not in DC and if so, please provide addresses.

Thanks!

1625 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20036

and

1740 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036

If I may interrupt the bickering on this forum for a quick minute, I thought it was interesting news that the College of Notre Dame just got approved for a pharmacy school, which would make it only th second in the state. There aren't many pharmacy schools in the nation, and the field is one that is growing quite a bit, I believe. This should help a bit in bringing some talent to the region. It'll also probably be an asset in drawing biotech companies to the city. Good news, I think.

They're not in DC and if so, please provide addresses.

Thanks!

Yes,
They are in D.C.!! My cousin, who worked on Capitol Hill and then a Non-Profit group is currently enrolled in their International Studies program for her master's degree!

The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), The Johns Hopkins University
1740 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. 20036


There you go!!

Its obvious that your non-Maryland arse can't seperate the difference between National and Local(city, county, and state) Politics.



Which dosen't have a Damn thing to do with Baltimore/Maryland which makes a sane person wonder if you really are from Maryland.

Most if not ALL the Left Wing Extremist Democrats that Dictate Maryland are anti-Growth Communist that have a secret agenda to DESTROY ALL FORMS of Business/Economic/Revenue/Highway Growth in Maryland.

By the way....Why is it then that all the areas that are rich in the Republican Spirit (My home town, Western MD, Eastern Shore) all the depressed areas of the state?? On top of it, they too are anti-growth and sprawl, most of them want smart growth and to preserve heritage and farmland and also promote devlopment...but it all has to comply with the pre-existing community. There has to be a balance to everything. Oh well, I don't know why I responded to this, I know the answers to the questions I asked already, since I actually am familiar with Maryland as an entire state. Where do you live anyway?? Get off your high horse, think of some new, creative things to say and try to be positive in your approach...nobody will ever take you seriously if you are so nasty all the time.

By the way....Why is it then that all the areas that are rich in the Republican Spirit (My home town, Western MD, Eastern Shore) all the depressed areas of the state?? On top of it, they too are anti-growth and sprawl, most of them want smart growth and to preserve heritage and farmland and also promote devlopment...but it all has to comply with the pre-existing community. There has to be a balance to everything. Oh well, I don't know why I responded to this, I know the answers to the questions I asked already, since I actually am familiar with Maryland as an entire state. Where do you live anyway?? Get off your high horse, think of some new, creative things to say and try to be positive in your approach...nobody will ever take you seriously if you are so nasty all the time.

You must be from Virginia..........

no, i am from western maryland....if you can name all three western md counties without lookeng them up, you get a cookie...i am most definitely NOT from VA. I live in downtown Baltimore now. you??

By the way....Why is it then that all the areas that are rich in the Republican Spirit (My home town, Western MD, Eastern Shore) all the depressed areas of the state?? On top of it, they too are anti-growth and sprawl, most of them want smart growth and to preserve heritage and farmland and also promote devlopment...but it all has to comply with the pre-existing community. There has to be a balance to everything. Oh well, I don't know why I responded to this, I know the answers to the questions I asked already, since I actually am familiar with Maryland as an entire state. Where do you live anyway?? Get off your high horse, think of some new, creative things to say and try to be positive in your approach...nobody will ever take you seriously if you are so nasty all the time.

Being a resident of republican strong hold Western Maryland Washington County to be exact there is a push for smarter and limited growth in many areas. They are trying to learn from the mistakes of Frederick County.

I am however seeing LARGE amounts of land being used for housing and strip malls. Both of these are contributing to traffic nightmares because of inadequate roads. The housing part of the equation is making us nothing more than a bedroom community for people who have been out priced in counties to our east.

There was no interest in Washington County or the rest of Western Maryland for a long time so now the construction boom is hitting all at once. While we need growth I don't think a project should be approved when adequate infrastructure is not in place first.

Harlem's from Mississippi!

Harlem's from Mississippi!

No I'm from Russia.

No I'm from Russia.

WTF?

Can we get an admin to check urbngrth123's IP with harlem's?

Russia get out of here why you got two different names? I still think you are from the south.

Russia get out of here why you got two different names? I still think you are from the south.

so he can agree with himself. I noticed this new character supporting harlem's abusive behavior...kinda suspicious...

WTF?

Can we get an admin to check urbngrth123's IP with harlem's?

Don't you start with me!!!!!!

Especially since it is very strange that the posts from the username johnatl in the southeast forum has the same exact Retroceding DC comment in the siggy.

so he can agree with himself. I noticed this new character supporting harlem's abusive behavior...kinda suspicious...

Why are you trying to instigate?

I haven't said a thing to you.

In case anyone else wants to act like instigating trolls by making smart comments about me being harlem, I will be making reports to the admin about harassment.

I do not wish to be harassed or belittled by anyone on here because of disagreements with my comments/opinions.

So lets agree to disagree on certain topics and if ya can't handle that then there is the ignore option, log off option, or me going to the Admins and reporting about harassment/rules being broken.

Thank You!

In case anyone else wants to act like instigating trolls by making smart comments about me being harlem, I will be making reports to the admin about harassment.

I do not wish to be harassed or belittled by anyone on here because of disagreements with my comments/opinions.

So lets agree to disagree on certain topics and if ya can't handle that then there is the ignore option, log off option, or me going to the Admins and reporting about harassment/rules being broken.

Thank You!
Talk about someone needing a life. lol.:lol: Are you that bored that you have to talk to yourself, harlem? Somebody give this guy a group hug.:grouphug:

Why are you trying to instigate?

I haven't said a thing to you.


because some of the comments you made ended up making people think they didn't want to visit our forums anymore because all there is fighting...and it's mostly one-sided with you repeatedly calling people who disagree with you maryland-haters and bashing their stand on policy matters or their personal political preferences. I'm not interested in fighting with you or anyone. we have this subforum and it's great...we need all the people we have...so let's engage them by our thoughtful ideas/comments (and you obviously have a lot of ideas so just deliver them in a way that isn't offensice to people)....we don't get anywhere by name-calling....I don't want this sub-forum to lose members because of you or anyone else.

Thanks!

Thank You!
This is a very polite thread for Baltimore / Washington DC!

It's also suspicious that urbngrwth doesn't put multiple quotes in the same post, he does each one separately..... eerily similar....