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Chilenofuturista
May 15th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Horrible... and embarrassing.

Yes. :ohno:

Dan
May 15th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Haha, anyone see in Stockholm City today how 3 people in a million program area are trying to stop the repainting of their ugly buildings from grey to a slightly impoved red-ish? Geez.

Obscene
May 15th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Haha, anyone see in Stockholm City today how 3 people in a million program area are trying to stop the repainting of their ugly buildings from grey to a slightly impoved red-ish? Geez.

alot of people take pride in living in million programme areas.
also..:
new facades = a lil' bit more gentrified = more middle class = the neighborhood loses it's (former) feeling

Dan
May 16th, 2008, 09:37 AM
Anything to make those areas lose their former feeling is great in my book :D

khaan
May 16th, 2008, 09:58 AM
I wrote a blogpost about it:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/05/en-gang-betonggratt-allti_545.html

As someone mentioned in the comments, in one way this is good. It furthers the divide between "skönhetsrådet"/the city museum and the population of Stockholm. Meaning, they get less respect for their antiquated reasoning about the city.

wolkenkrabber
May 16th, 2008, 01:15 PM
a lil update from like 2 days ago.

not much left
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111.jpg

still rising
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/111111bygg.jpg

some cladding has started to go up
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111fasa.jpg

the gray ones
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111hus.jpg

Insane alex
May 16th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Nice update! :)

Chilenofuturista
May 16th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Wolken, nice job there! :okay:

khaan
May 16th, 2008, 02:19 PM
a lil update from like 2 days ago.

not much left
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111.jpg

still rising
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/111111bygg.jpg

some cladding has started to go up
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111fasa.jpg

the gray ones
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111hus.jpg

Wow, lots of progress lately, gotta go down and check it out.
Thx for the update!

regretful Londoner
May 16th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Haha, anyone see in Stockholm City today how 3 people in a million program area are trying to stop the repainting of their ugly buildings from grey to a slightly impoved red-ish? Geez.

Why would anyone prefer to live in an ugly-looking building? Every time I see those monstrosities I always question why on earth they were left in that awful grey concrete state. I always tell myself how much more attractive Sweden's towns would be if they were at least painted to look less like the buildings they're even starting to demolish in East Germany!

khaan
May 16th, 2008, 09:50 PM
a lil update from like 2 days ago.

some cladding has started to go up
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/11111fasa.jpg


So, I went by there today. Is it just me or is that cladding looking a bit so-so..?
(You can't see it on the picture)

AW
May 17th, 2008, 02:18 AM
^^ Judging from that photo I actually think it looks 10 times better than on the renders! I'm hoping for the best anyway

khaan
May 17th, 2008, 02:21 AM
^^ Judging from that photo I actually think it looks 10 times better than on the renders! I'm hoping for the best anyway

Well, as I said, on the picture it looks great! But today in the sunlight watching it as I passed by, I dunno.. Hopefully it grows on me.

Boscorelli
May 17th, 2008, 02:34 AM
As said on that photo it looks much better, I was horryfied when I saw the renderings, I'm not eagerly enthusiastic now either but it sure looks better.
Would have been fun to see the renderings and that photo put together.
And can someone go out there and tear down the plastic and then take a photo, please! ;)

Boscorelli
May 17th, 2008, 06:32 AM
Some info about lövholmen from stadsbyggnadskontorets site, about a month old, don't think it's been up here before but I'm sorry if it has.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3385.aspx#bookmarkB14

Sims
May 17th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Lövholmen (Between Liljeholmen and Gröndal), Just outside the south west part of central stockholm.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/loevholmen.jpg
Note. Very preliminary render.

Swede
May 17th, 2008, 02:58 PM
Thanks you for getting that pic out of the .pdf and posting it :)
I'm happy that the area is slated for redevlopment, sad to see the many anti-urban points of the plan and sad that the cement plant isn't gonna move (but that might come later), and finally a little bit sad the building my mom gre up in is gonna get torn down. All this being said, I AM very positive to the plans in all and think many of the short-falls will be rectified along the way.

khaan
May 17th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Lövholmen (Between Liljeholmen and Gröndal), Just outside the south west part of central stockholm.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/loevholmen.jpg
Note. Very preliminary render.

Well... This sucked... :puke:

Hello and welcome to the suburb!
Yuk.
I think Yimby should leave a response to this proposal...

Insane alex
May 17th, 2008, 08:29 PM
It's not the worst proposal though, it looks okay to me..

fetg_
May 17th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Why would anyone prefer to live in an ugly-looking building? Every time I see those monstrosities I always question why on earth they were left in that awful grey concrete state. I always tell myself how much more attractive Sweden's towns would be if they were at least painted to look less like the buildings they're even starting to demolish in East Germany!
On the other hand, repainting buildings could make them look worser. Depends on which colours you use.

fetg_
May 17th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Well... This sucked... :puke:

Hello and welcome to the suburb!
Yuk.
I think Yimby should leave a response to this proposal...
I don't think it really looks that suburban. I think the picture looks bad because they will keep some industry buildings. I like the fact that they keep some of them(which can be used for retail), but they could just add some floors of appartments on them.

All in all, I like the variation.

khaan
May 17th, 2008, 11:29 PM
I don't think it really looks that suburban. I think the picture looks bad because they will keep some industry buildings. I like the fact that they keep some of them(which can be used for retail), but they could just add some floors of appartments on them.

All in all, I like the variation.

Well, the problem is that it is all so broken up.
They have several buildings trying to look tall although they aren't so they make sure they are separated from any urban context making them look tall even though they are not. Regular old school modernist planning if you ask me...
The plan has some qualities and it could be greatly improved by small measures.
Tighten the plan a bit so the buildings stand next to each other creating an urban context, integrate the taller buildings into that context and add a few more floors and voila, all so much better.

We get this:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/loevholmen.jpg

Rotterdam (a smaller city and not even a capital) gets this:

http://207.44.228.232/images/B03/3538.jpg

It's just fucking sad. :ohno:

Swede
May 18th, 2008, 04:51 PM
i'd love to see an alternative version of Lövholmen. Anyone feel up to altering that rendering to more urban and slightly taller buildings?


See the cranes? That's Kista Galleria expanding again. This is at the south (KST) end, at the other end from the proposed residential highrises.
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/dark.jpg

khaan
May 18th, 2008, 08:04 PM
i'd love to see an alternative version of Lövholmen. Anyone feel up to altering that rendering to more urban and slightly taller buildings?


See the cranes? That's Kista Galleria expanding again. This is at the south (KST) end, at the other end from the proposed residential highrises.
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/dark.jpg

I'm on to release an inlaga to that proposal. But we need a gfx-wiz in on it..

Love the pic of KST. I gotta get my ass out there someday and take some photos in the evening...

K-J N.
May 19th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Two more pictures from the expansion of Kista Galleria
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/kistagalleria01.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/kistagalleria02.jpg
The entrance facing Kista Science Tower

Swede
May 19th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Excellent pics K-J! I haven't been 'round that side for over a week. Things are going pretty fast, yay :D The new entrence towards KST will be interestign to see (not many renderings in the official documents).

Insane alex
May 19th, 2008, 10:13 PM
where can u find renderings of this project?

Boscorelli
May 20th, 2008, 09:52 AM
I hope they will change the apperance of this building at "kvarteret bocken":

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3647/illustrationsbilaga118xj8.jpg


to this:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3123/illustrationsbilaga114nr5.jpg


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8343/illustrationsbilaga10zs5.jpg


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7717/illustrationsbilaga116zz6.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____2852.aspx

The change of this building has now been approved!

khaan
May 20th, 2008, 11:00 AM
The change of this building has now been approved!

Excellent!
I actually went by there yesterday and noticed they were working on the building but I did not rembember these renderings until now. So it seems construction has already started.

Chilenofuturista
May 20th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Well... This sucked... :puke:

Hello and welcome to the suburb!
Yuk.
I think Yimby should leave a response to this proposal...

It's shite. :ohno:

khaan
May 20th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Excellent!
I actually went by there yesterday and noticed they were working on the building but I did not rembember these renderings until now. So it seems construction has already started.

Found some documents regarding this.
First, check the comments about the "samråd":
http://www.insyn.stockholm.se/norrmalm/document/2007-11-22/Dagordning/13/13_%20Detaljplan%20f%C3%B6r%20del%20av%20Bocken.pdf

Basicly, the current residents like the proposal, especially the stores in the bottom floors and that more life will come into the area. These guys are some real Yimby:s! They are complaining about the sounds but mostly related to odd hours and instead of saying no to the proposal they want to be evacuated to other living quarters while the construction is ongoing. I can say I was pleasantly surprised by this impressively positive view from the residents!

On a side note, the new facade on the brick building was questioned due to classification by the city museum but got the go-ahead anyway. In my view the right choice.

Second document describes what is to be done:
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=210712&FileName=Illustrationsbilaga.PDF&DataSource=2

The whole street (Lästmakargatan) is basicly transformed from back-alley to city street and a new 10 meter tall building is added and floors are added on the other buildings. I think this proposal is excellent and unusually "big city-ish" for being prepared by Stockholm bureaucrats! :banana:

AW
May 20th, 2008, 01:18 PM
^^ Agreed! More makeovers like this please!!

Chilenofuturista
May 20th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Found some documents regarding this.
First, check the comments about the "samråd":
http://www.insyn.stockholm.se/norrmalm/document/2007-11-22/Dagordning/13/13_%20Detaljplan%20f%C3%B6r%20del%20av%20Bocken.pdf

Basicly, the current residents like the proposal, especially the stores in the bottom floors and that more life will come into the area. These guys are some real Yimby:s! They are complaining about the sounds but mostly related to odd hours and instead of saying no to the proposal they want to be evacuated to other living quarters while the construction is ongoing. I can say I was pleasantly surprised by this impressively positive view from the residents!

On a side note, the new facade on the brick building was questioned due to classification by the city museum but got the go-ahead anyway. In my view the right choice.

Second document describes what is to be done:
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=210712&FileName=Illustrationsbilaga.PDF&DataSource=2

The whole street (Lästmakargatan) is basicly transformed from back-alley to city street and a new 10 meter tall building is added and floors are added on the other buildings. I think this proposal is excellent and unusually "big city-ish" for being prepared by Stockholm bureaucrats! :banana:

:eek: :eek: This is smashing!!! m))

K-J N.
May 20th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Went past Lästmakargatan some week ago (old pictures from Hitta.se)

The new look of the building where Norrlandsgatan meets Lästmakargatan.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/norrlandsgatanold01.jpghttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/norrlandsgatan01.jpg



New office building (slightly across the street from where the new appartment building will be)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/lastmakargatanold01.jpghttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/lastmakargatan01.jpg



And here is the brick building mentioned above.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/lastmakargatan02.jpg

AW
May 20th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Nice K-J N.!

safta20
May 21st, 2008, 10:32 PM
Here are the nominies for the "stora samhällspriset 2008"... all are situated in the Stockholm region. What is your favorite?

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_gallery/6967.jpg http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_gallery/6969.jpg

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_gallery/6970.jpg

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_gallery/6974.jpg
http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_gallery/6975.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2199/2257898570_afbdb8edf5.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2282/2273657767_88239f8d43.jpg?v=1203341490
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/2274458388_357f5ce401.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2428345904_5e422c7e4c.jpg?v=0

GoSatta
May 21st, 2008, 10:38 PM
Uppsala concert hall!! its one of the few buildings that got better then the renders when it was finished. and it fits in reall good where it is.

khaan
May 21st, 2008, 10:45 PM
Here are the nominies for the "stora samhällspriset 2008"... all are situated in the Stockholm region. What is your favorite?


Compared to foreign projects these are all rather boring but from the pick I'd say the concert hall or Clarion Sign.

Chilenofuturista
May 22nd, 2008, 12:56 AM
Compared to foreign projects these are all rather boring but from the pick I'd say the concert hall or Clarion Sign.

Yep.

New Vällingby Centrum as a candidate? :puke: A suburbia "ABC town" shopping centre refurbished (not THAT impressive) and resized as one of the candidates for this prestigious award?

Hmm, things are definitely looking grim in Sweden architecturewise...

I prefer Clarion Sign, definitely. :cheers:

khaan
May 22nd, 2008, 11:25 AM
Yimby is in the paper today about skyscrapers at norra station.

http://stockholm.city.se/nyheter/2008/05/22/Ja_till_skyskrapor_vid_Norra_station/

Make sure you go there and vote YES on the question about whether skyscrapers should be build (It's out on the left side beside the article)

Swede
May 22nd, 2008, 08:06 PM
K-J N. great shots, again. I was by there not long ago. Did I bring a camera? of course not. :P

safta Uppsala pwznor that contest IMO. Only Clarion Sign comes close.

Chilenofuturista
May 22nd, 2008, 11:22 PM
K-J N: You're a great photographer! :okay: Keep on posting, please.

Swede
May 24th, 2008, 11:28 PM
I moved the yimby media hype comments to the yimby.se (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=517341) thread in the Icebar.
Since we have a dedicated thread in there, let's use it. If we get some extra info or are able to influence projects/developments it belongs here, if it's just cheering us in Yimby on it belongs in the other thread.

fetg_
May 26th, 2008, 12:48 AM
New plans for nationalarenan:
http://www.solna.se/upload/ChJ/Projekt/Nationalarenan/080513_akvarell_760.jpg

'http://www.solna.se/upload/ChJ/Projekt/Nationalarenan/Arenastaden_illustration_410.jpg

http://www.solna.se/templates/Page_solna_submenu____32468.aspx

Insane alex
May 26th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Nice! 6 highrises! :D

staff
May 26th, 2008, 12:33 PM
^^
At least five of them look like new commieblocks though. :(

Insane alex
May 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM
yes indeed, but maybe they will look better IRL. :)

Muthai
May 26th, 2008, 03:29 PM
I don't like that the railwaytracks goes so near by the arena. railway yards like that really reminds me of the Sovjet union. They should "decka över" the tracks and build more urbanish blocks around there. It shouldn't be a problem to get interest from the contractors.

Boscorelli
May 26th, 2008, 03:40 PM
I like the bridge that goes over the railway tracks, it looks like a bridge over a river, is it there allready or will it be built?

Muthai
May 26th, 2008, 07:16 PM
^^

Well , IMO the bridge is nice on the rendering, but I fear that the rendering is flattering. IRL the bridge won't look that good, as the railtracks will be more dominating.

Swede
May 26th, 2008, 07:32 PM
The way it has gotten decidedly less urban since the last version is very bad. Taller buildings is nice, but seems like the planners/architects are still stuck thinking building tall has to be towers-in-a-park. Gah. "Solna - we want to be even more of a commieblock suburb!" I really can't find anything good to say about the new version, even the height increase is completely blown away by the anti-urbanity of it all.

The railyards are not up for changing. They're non-negotiable. Even the bridges in the plan are a huge thing, since at no point whatsoever during construction can the railtraffic be affected at all.

11433
May 26th, 2008, 07:34 PM
I don't like that the railwaytracks goes so near by the arena. railway yards like that really reminds me of the Sovjet union. They should "decka över" the tracks and build more urbanish blocks around there. It shouldn't be a problem to get interest from the contractors.

The tracks you see is the Hagalund depot, witch is Sj:s main area for refurbishment of trains in Stockholm. Even if you find somebody who is willing to invest the enormus amout of money it probably will cost to cover the tracs, Sj most certainly dont want any interference in one of their most important facilitys in Stockholm.

Adamovich-STHLM
May 26th, 2008, 08:45 PM
I don't like that the railwaytracks goes so near by the arena. railway yards like that really reminds me of the Sovjet union. They should "decka över" the tracks and build more urbanish blocks around there. It shouldn't be a problem to get interest from the contractors.

Really? jeezus...
Personally i think railway tracks/yards is an important part of the big city urbanity... Just as backyard alleys, shady harbour areas or gothic like bridges.
This constant worries about things reminding people about "soviet union" in the stockholm project thread is getting boring...

Boscorelli
May 27th, 2008, 09:45 AM
This morning on tv stockholm they talked about a story in DN newspaper about Slussen and that international architects have been invited, and that their proposals will be presented in october. Looked for the article on the online edition but couldn't find the story, anyone who's got the paper edition that can tell more of what this is all about?

Edit: It's online now:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2206&a=773699

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2206&a=773713

The architects chosen are: English Norman Foster with Berg Arkitektkontor, French Jean Novel with Habiter Autrement, Danish BIG and the Swedish Wingårdh and Nyréns.

staff
May 27th, 2008, 11:14 AM
That's awesome! I'd love to see a Nouvel building there! And Foster + Partners isn't half bad either. ;)

Boscorelli
May 27th, 2008, 11:19 AM
I can already hear the people of Fjällgatan protesting although it's not in their backyard it's close enough! ;)

staff
May 27th, 2008, 11:23 AM
^^
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they actually wanted to keep the concrete spaghetti bowl that is today's Slussen...

Adamovich-STHLM
May 27th, 2008, 12:41 PM
(saxat ifrån DN)
Vi är angelägna om att få byggnadsverk som sätter avtryck och blir unika i den expanderande stad som vi nu förverkligar, säger Stockholms avgående stadsbyggnadsborgarråd Mikael Söderlund (m).
- Slussen har förnyats en gång vart hundrade år. Nu är det dags för 2000-talets avtryck. Jag vill att vi knyter an till den tradition som Stockholm haft, där byggnadsverken har stuckit ut. Som Stadshuset, Stadsbiblioteket och Kungstornen. Vi har en tradition med banbrytande arkitektur att falla tillbaka på som vi inte utnyttjat på kanske 30 år, säger Mikael Söderlund.

Härligt att höra!

staff
May 27th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Can't wait for this one...

khaan
May 27th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Wow. I am pleasantly surprised I have to say. :cheers1:
Let's hope one of the international offices win with a really nice proposal, and that this proposal will be approved before the elections in 2010. (Elections tend to lead to change of majority which leads to everything having to be remade for some odd reason in Stockholm)

Swede
May 27th, 2008, 05:15 PM
And thru the magic of Google Translate:
"We are eager to get buildings which puts an imprint and will be unique in the expanding city which we now realise," says the Stockholm's outgoing City development concilor Mikael Söderlund (m).
Slussen has been renewed once every hundred years. Now is the time for the 21st century prints. I want us to continue the tradition that Stockholm had, in which the buildings have stuck out. As the City Hall, City Library and Kungstornen. We have a tradition of cutting-edge architecture to fall back on that we have not taken advantage of perhaps 30 years, "said Mikael Söderlund.

Very positive words.
The article had a timeline for Slussen, final approval in 2010, construction start in 2012, done in 2018. So... in 10 years. If they'd followed through when the first plans came up it'd be done by now (and we woulda had a early 90s style Slussen!).

Dan
May 27th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Hopefully the wait will be worth it. Could be really cool actually, since it connects a more modern section of town with the oldest section... so there is a lot of room for themed creativity there! I guess they will be working off of the winning proposal though, so it won't be too different from it?

Boscorelli
May 27th, 2008, 05:39 PM
I don't wanna be negative hear but I do have some doubts after all, it's like the Asplund library extension, big words to begin with, but just look where it all ended! I'm convinced Nyrens probably will make the most boring suggestion and that they will end up being chosen, I know it's a bit negative of me, but history speaks for it's self but I do hope I'm soo wrong here!

Swede
May 27th, 2008, 05:43 PM
It all depends on the jury, so let's hope it's not the same jury as for the library annex.

Fab 5
May 27th, 2008, 05:59 PM
This morning on tv stockholm they talked about a story in DN newspaper about Slussen and that international architects have been invited, and that their proposals will be presented in october. Looked for the article on the online edition but couldn't find the story, anyone who's got the paper edition that can tell more of what this is all about?

Edit: It's online now:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2206&a=773699

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2206&a=773713

The architects chosen are: English Norman Foster with Berg Arkitektkontor, French Jean Novel with Habiter Autrement, Danish BIG and the Swedish Wingårdh and Nyréns.

Congrats Stockholm! Extremely interesting.

(And two Danish firms involved as well - great taste:rock:)

staff
May 27th, 2008, 05:59 PM
^^
Which firm is Danish apart from BIG?


What will happen with the fugly office buildings along the wharf (the one with the McDonalds + Katarinahissen etc.)?

I would like to see a proposal that ties together Gamla Stan with the beautiful area at Götgatan/Hornsgatan, and of course a demolishing of all of today's crap blocks and see some organic highrises at the location..

The bus "shelter" and Saltsjöbanan platform at level -1 is just horrible today as well.

Fab 5
May 27th, 2008, 06:05 PM
^^
Which firm is Danish apart from BIG?

Wow, that took like 10 seconds for a reaction! Just messing around with you - brotherly love:). Berg is owned by C. F. Møller, but of course that doesn't make the company Danish.

Again, congrats on attracting especially the likes of Jean Nouvel - he is very selective these days and have a very different approach towards projects than Foster for instance (much smaller company as well of course).

Boscorelli
May 27th, 2008, 06:11 PM
Yes Jean Nouvel is really exciting, he was in the news today for a new skyscraper in La Defence.

Fab 5
May 27th, 2008, 06:13 PM
Yes Jean Nouvel is really exciting, he was in the news today for a new skyscraper in La Defence.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=593511&page=12

Ringil
May 27th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Awesome! I can barely wait :cheers:

Swede
May 27th, 2008, 08:25 PM
What will happen with the fugly office buildings along the wharf (the one with the McDonalds + Katarinahissen etc.)?That one stays.

I would like to see a proposal that ties together Gamla Stan with the beautiful area at Götgatan/Hornsgatan, and of course a demolishing of all of today's crap blocks and see some organic highrises at the location..No highrises, I guarantee it. No demolished post-war buildings either. At least, not yet. The subway entrence will hopefully get re-dpne into a real building eventually (plans have popped up since the 60s, usually hotels). Connecting Gamla Stan and Götgatan/Hornsgatan better is very mcu hpart of the plan, and making Slussen a place not to get pasat as fast as possible but an actual nice place to be.

The bus "shelter" and Saltsjöbanan platform at level -1 is just horrible today as well.
Those will be completely re-done, from the bedrock up. Saltsjöbanan won't even go there, it'll get its own tunnel station right next to the subway.

Parzival
May 27th, 2008, 08:30 PM
I hope at least one high rise at new slussen!

staff
May 27th, 2008, 08:34 PM
^^
I hope they'll succeed. Slussen is my main point of transfer when I'm in Sthlm (I take Saltsjöbanan) and it really is a shameful place in an otherwise stunning city.

There is much architectural quality that is actually hidden by today's Slussen, which is sad.

Swede
May 27th, 2008, 09:00 PM
More about the Saltsjöbanan plans: http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanNews.aspx?id=1265&CaseId=3408
and the pdf-map of the plans http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=338319&FileName=Plankarta.pdf&DataSource=2

staff
May 27th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Thanks. I think I read something about Tvärbanan being extended and merged with Saltsjöbanan a while back. Any truth to that?
Will Saltsjöbanan get new rolling stock soon?

khaan
May 27th, 2008, 11:41 PM
Thanks. I think I read something about Tvärbanan being extended and merged with Saltsjöbanan a while back. Any truth to that?
Will Saltsjöbanan get new rolling stock soon?

Yes. The plan is to convert Saltsjöbanan to "tvärbana" standard. The new rolling stock will then be the usual A32 trams.

staff
May 27th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Alright. Good to hear.

AW
May 28th, 2008, 09:04 PM
That's awesome news about slussen!!!



"Del av sjöstadsporten" - 16 fl hotel, 12 fl office building, apartments

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/2531109317_03d7514e65_o.jpg

Even though it isn't the most interesting news it's still fun to see at least some highrises here and there in HS.


The hotel + block:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/2531109083_2a8a4189ea_o.jpg

U/C:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2531060835_f87cec303b_b.jpg


The office + block:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2531924006_f274c9cb33_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2150/2531109179_1c7dcdea8a_o.jpg

Site preps:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2531876100_a337d31a6e_b.jpg

Insane alex
May 28th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Nice! Thanks for the update! :D

Dan
May 28th, 2008, 10:13 PM
I like the hotel :)

fetg_
May 28th, 2008, 11:37 PM
And things are starting to happen in Hornsbergs strand also, This picture below is taken in 1 may.
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_maj08_460.gif

It is supposed to look like this when finnished:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66769/hornsbergsstrand_framtid_34.jpg

khaan
May 29th, 2008, 12:09 AM
And things are starting to happen in Hornsbergs strand also, This picture below is taken in 1 may.
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_maj08_460.gif

It is supposed to look like this when finnished:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66769/hornsbergsstrand_framtid_34.jpg

Why image when you can have video! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P0zdE86Yfo&fmt=18

fetg_
May 29th, 2008, 12:47 AM
Why image when you can have video! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P0zdE86Yfo&fmt=18
^It's so damn sick. I would like to have an apartment there.

Heh, that picture I posted is from first may. They will update on XX/XX/01 until it's done. I could take some 5mpix images(or a video) on that area.

khaan
May 29th, 2008, 12:50 AM
^It's so damn sick. I would like to have an apartment there.

Heh, that picture I posted is from first may. They will update on XX/XX/01 until it's done. I could take some 5mpix images(or a video) on that area.

Please do take pics as the building process progress, that would rock! :)

Insane alex
June 2nd, 2008, 10:07 AM
Spårvägen byggs ut på Kungsholmen

Inom någon vecka skriver landstinget och Stockholms stad under en avsiktsförklaring om att bygga spårväg från Stockholms central till nordvästra Kungsholmen. Spårvägen ska i ett senare skede förlängas från Strandvägen till Värtan och Ropsten.

Så här i skiftet mellan maj och juni är det alltid som rörigast i trafiken i Stockholm. Till och från Djurgården har buss 47 alltid bekymmer att ta sig fram. Det är skälet till SL-styrelsens beslut att bygga ut Djurgårdslinjens spår från Norrmalmstorg till Centralen och trafikera den med moderna stadsspårvagnar.

I veckan kommer en spårvagn som körts en tid i Norrköping till Stockholm för att sättas in i trafik på Djurgårdslinjen, som nu körvarje dag fram till 31 augusti. På den spårvagnen kommer SL inom kort att tillkännage vilket av de internationella konsortier som varit med i budgivningen som får kontraktet på den förlängda Djurgårdslinjen.

Tidigare planer gick ut på att förlängningen till Centralen skulle invigas år 2010. Så snabbt lär det inte gå. Det är bland annat oklart hur spårbygget ska samordnas med en ombyggnad av de gator som går över Sergels torg - som måste göras ändå. Samtidigt har de styrande i SL och Stadshuset satt fart på planeringen för en spårvägslinje från Centralen till den nya stadsdelen Lindhagen på nordvästra Kungsholmen. Enligt vad DN erfar skriver landstinget och staden inom några veckor under en gemensam avsiktsförklaring om att satsa på spårvägen.

Exakt hur denna förlängning ska dras utreds som bäst. Att spårvägen från Centralen går vidare via Fleminggatan är förmodligen det enda rimliga. Men längre västerut står valet mellan att dra spåren via Fridhemsplan och att låta dem gå en rakare väg mot Lindhagen och Ulvsundasjöns strand.

Någon tidsplan för när första spårvagnen kan rulla ut finns ännu inte men det handlar sannolikt om invigning år 2012 eller 2013. Om planering och projektering av spåren mot Lindhagen går snabbt är det inte otänkbart att hela förlängningen av Djurgårdslinjen byggs i ett svep.

Tidigare har en förlängning av spårvägen mot Värtan och Ropsten legat som nästa steg i planeringen efter moderniseringen och förlängningen av Djurgårdslinjen. Den utbyggnaden kommer nu att göras efter Kungsholmssatsningen eftersom stadens detaljerade planer över hur den nya stadsdelen ska se ut ännu inte är klara.

Med ett beslut om spårväg till Lindhagen tar Stockholm ännu ett steg mot att bli en spårvägsstad igen. Ett skäl till att spårvägar blivit modernt i samhällsplaneringen är att det byggs fler och fler moderna nät i Europa där utbyggnaden också medfört en upprustning av gator och hela stadsdelar. Ett annat skäl är att spårväg har en helt annan prislapp än tunnelbana.

I Dublin byggs nu en 17 kilometer lång tunnelbanelinje som beräknas kosta över 35 miljarder. På Dublins moderna spårvagnar syns samtidigt skyltar som talar om att spårväg ger 80 procent av nyttan med en tunnelbana för 20 procent av kostnaderna.

Kostnadsekvationen ser inte annorlunda ut i Stockholm. Det gör att de som planerar framtidens trafik inte längre tror på någon omfattande utbyggnad av tunnelbane*nätet.

Image:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=775511&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/77/55/11/sparavagkungsholmen.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=sparavagkungsholmen.swf

Source: Dn http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=775504

khaan
June 2nd, 2008, 11:15 AM
Spårvägen byggs ut på Kungsholmen

Inom någon vecka skriver landstinget och Stockholms stad under en avsiktsförklaring om att bygga spårväg från Stockholms central till nordvästra Kungsholmen. Spårvägen ska i ett senare skede förlängas från Strandvägen till Värtan och Ropsten.

Så här i skiftet mellan maj och juni är det alltid som rörigast i trafiken i Stockholm. Till och från Djurgården har buss 47 alltid bekymmer att ta sig fram. Det är skälet till SL-styrelsens beslut att bygga ut Djurgårdslinjens spår från Norrmalmstorg till Centralen och trafikera den med moderna stadsspårvagnar.

I veckan kommer en spårvagn som körts en tid i Norrköping till Stockholm för att sättas in i trafik på Djurgårdslinjen, som nu körvarje dag fram till 31 augusti. På den spårvagnen kommer SL inom kort att tillkännage vilket av de internationella konsortier som varit med i budgivningen som får kontraktet på den förlängda Djurgårdslinjen.

Tidigare planer gick ut på att förlängningen till Centralen skulle invigas år 2010. Så snabbt lär det inte gå. Det är bland annat oklart hur spårbygget ska samordnas med en ombyggnad av de gator som går över Sergels torg - som måste göras ändå. Samtidigt har de styrande i SL och Stadshuset satt fart på planeringen för en spårvägslinje från Centralen till den nya stadsdelen Lindhagen på nordvästra Kungsholmen. Enligt vad DN erfar skriver landstinget och staden inom några veckor under en gemensam avsiktsförklaring om att satsa på spårvägen.

Exakt hur denna förlängning ska dras utreds som bäst. Att spårvägen från Centralen går vidare via Fleminggatan är förmodligen det enda rimliga. Men längre västerut står valet mellan att dra spåren via Fridhemsplan och att låta dem gå en rakare väg mot Lindhagen och Ulvsundasjöns strand.

Någon tidsplan för när första spårvagnen kan rulla ut finns ännu inte men det handlar sannolikt om invigning år 2012 eller 2013. Om planering och projektering av spåren mot Lindhagen går snabbt är det inte otänkbart att hela förlängningen av Djurgårdslinjen byggs i ett svep.

Tidigare har en förlängning av spårvägen mot Värtan och Ropsten legat som nästa steg i planeringen efter moderniseringen och förlängningen av Djurgårdslinjen. Den utbyggnaden kommer nu att göras efter Kungsholmssatsningen eftersom stadens detaljerade planer över hur den nya stadsdelen ska se ut ännu inte är klara.

Med ett beslut om spårväg till Lindhagen tar Stockholm ännu ett steg mot att bli en spårvägsstad igen. Ett skäl till att spårvägar blivit modernt i samhällsplaneringen är att det byggs fler och fler moderna nät i Europa där utbyggnaden också medfört en upprustning av gator och hela stadsdelar. Ett annat skäl är att spårväg har en helt annan prislapp än tunnelbana.

I Dublin byggs nu en 17 kilometer lång tunnelbanelinje som beräknas kosta över 35 miljarder. På Dublins moderna spårvagnar syns samtidigt skyltar som talar om att spårväg ger 80 procent av nyttan med en tunnelbana för 20 procent av kostnaderna.

Kostnadsekvationen ser inte annorlunda ut i Stockholm. Det gör att de som planerar framtidens trafik inte längre tror på någon omfattande utbyggnad av tunnelbane*nätet.

Image:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=775511&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/77/55/11/sparavagkungsholmen.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=sparavagkungsholmen.swf

Source: Dn http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=775504

:eek2:

Insane alex
June 2nd, 2008, 04:51 PM
^^Indeed! This is good news! I hope this will happen fast and not get pushed back to like 2020 like most good projects....

Sims
June 2nd, 2008, 06:37 PM
Google Translate:

Tramways building on Kungsholmen

Within a week writing the county council and the City of Stockholm in a letter of intent for the construction of tramway from Stockholm's Central Station to the north-west of Kungsholmen. Tramways will be at a later stage extended from Strandvägen to Värtan and Ropsten.

So here in the shift between May and June, it is always busy on the roads in Stockholm. To and from the bus 47 Djurgården has always trouble to get up. That is why the SL Board's decision to expand Djurgårdslinjens track from Norrmalmstorg to the City and operate it with modern urban trams.

This week, a tram that runs one time in Norrköping is to be put into traffic on Djurgårdslinjen, from until 31 August. On the tram will SL shortly to announce which of the international consortia that have been included in the auction, which may contract in the extended Djurgårdslinjen.

Earlier plans were, that the extension to the City would be inaugurated in 2010. As fast, it will not go. It is not clear how spårbygget be coordinated with a conversion of the streets that cut across Sergels torg - needs to be done anyway. Meanwhile, the leadership of SL and the City Hall pick up speed in the planning for a tramway track from the Central to the new district Lindhagen in north-western Kungsholmen. According to DN experiencing writes the county and city within a few weeks in a joint statement of intent to invest in spårvägen.

Exactly how this extension should be investigated best. The tramway from Central proceed via Fleminggatan is probably the only reasonable. But further west is a choice between drag tracks through Fridhemsplan and to let them go a straight path to Lindhagen and the Ulvsunda lake beach.

No timetable for when the first tram, can roll out is not yet available but it is likely on the inauguration in 2012 or 2013. If the planning and execution of the tracks against Lindhagen is quick, it is not unthinkable that the whole extension of Djurgårdslinjen built in one go.

Previously, an extension of the against the tramway Värtan and Ropsten remained as the next step in planning for the modernization and extension of Djurgårdslinjen. The roll will now be made after the Kungsholms project because the city's detailed plans on how the new district should look like is not yet clear.

With a decision on the tramway to Lindhagen Stockholm takes another step towards becoming a spårvägsstad again. One reason for that light rail has become in modern urban planning is to build more and more modern networks in Europe, where the expansion also led to a build-up of streets and whole neighbourhoods. Another reason is that the tramway has a completely different price tag than Subway.

In Dublin now built a 17-kilometer Metro line, which is estimated to cost over 35 billion. On Dublin's modern trams appear at the same time, signs telling you that tramway pays 80 percent of the benefits of a Subway for 20 percent of the costs.

The cost equation do not look different in Stockholm. This means that those who are planning future operations no longer believe in any substantial expansion of the metropolitan rail network.

Insane alex
June 2nd, 2008, 07:33 PM
^^hehe google speaks swinglish! :P

Swede
June 2nd, 2008, 07:37 PM
:D but at least it's possible to understand for non-swedishspeakers, so good work Sims :)

I like how all this seems to be working out. More trams :)

Dan
June 2nd, 2008, 11:12 PM
:D Maybe within a decade or two we'll be like Helsinki, with a large subway network as a base!

Dan
June 3rd, 2008, 08:37 AM
New Viking museum:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2374&a=775793
Finally! I wonder when it will be done.

I'm slightly concerned that the whole interactivity thing will mean that it'll be more of a kids-ish museum and adults will not be as interested, but I hope I am wrong.

Swede
June 4th, 2008, 08:23 PM
The Viking museum is a (not so new, but still) great idea. I hope it becomes real noteworthy architecturally as well. IMO the area can take a building that's got plenty of viking-romanticist touches since there's already nationalromance buildings around.

Now for todays AWESOMNESS!!!
http://www.stockholm.se/-/Nyheter/Trafik--Stadsmiljo/Tvarbana-City/
translated by google:
_________________________________
Tvärbana City
On June 4, the City of Stockholm and the Stockholm County Council plans for a new tramline in Stockholm. The Letter of Intent which have been signed presages the rollout of the new line - called Tvärbana City.

The Letter of Intent includes a common approach to kollektivtrafikförsörjningen, multi-stage expansion and trafikstart and integrated planning of spårvagnsdepå.

We are currently a feasibility study which, among other things depålägen being investigated. The continued planning will include the capacity and trafikutbud, accessibility, road safety, vehicle and the depot.

The first part of Tvärbana City is expected to be completed in 2011.

http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/100201/tvarbana_city.gif
Tvärbana City route

The existing tramline will be upgraded and extended to Stockholm Central and Fridhemsplan. The tramline built to Värtaområdet / Ropsten and north-western Kungsholmen will come after that.

Why go for trams in Stockholm?

Trams is a long-term service that can cope with the increase in travel of the forthcoming Citybanan. Parts of the planned route is already available in the day.

Improved and trams takes up less room in the street than bus services. A tram takes the same number of travellers 3 buses or 170 cars, which means that the need for buses is reduced.

Trams are environmentally friendly and an important part of stadsmiljöutvecklingen. The trams also contributes to tillgänglighetsmålet.

Spårvagnstrafik is relatively cheap - 80 percent of their benefits and 20 percent of the cost compared to Subway.
___________________________________

staff
June 4th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Awesome!

A lesson for Malmö City which will have its LRT/tram system ready in something like 15-20 years...

To which extent will the Tvärbana (hate that name btw) City run on dedicated tracks free from street traffic?

Swede
June 5th, 2008, 12:17 AM
Strandvägen already has dedicated lanes (which it shares with busses), much of the line up to Ropsten and the part beyond Frindhemsplan to the west will probably be such also. But in the very heart of the city it'll probably be mostly in buslanes any separation from traffic. It'll look like it's part of traffic, but probably won't be all that much.

khaan
June 5th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Just thought we should revisit the good old webcam on the Stockholm Waterfront building.

Old building almost completely demolished now, and when I passed by a couple of days ago I noticed construction of the new structure has begun.

http://www.waterfrontbuilding.se/webcam/webcam.jpg

GoSatta
June 5th, 2008, 09:09 PM
didnt have my camera with me today wen i whent thru it but have you noticed the hight of the cranes? its gonna be a massve building!!! im really really looking forward to this one :)

Insane alex
June 5th, 2008, 11:34 PM
I found a new future highrise project in kristineberg, apparently NCC are building it and it will be a office development... Couldn't find any good renderings but here's a small one...

http://www.ncc.se/Global/Commercial_space/images/project_images/kristineberg2_100x100.jpg

Kristineberg
Stockholm, Sweden
Offices
25,000-70.000 sq.m.
Planned completion: 2012-2014

onetwothree
June 5th, 2008, 11:37 PM
That's it, I'm moving to Stockholm! You guys actually seem to know how to get things done up there, I love the new Tvärbanan project (isn't the current light rail already named as Tvärbanan, though? I know it's without the "City", but maybe they should have gone for a different name :lol: )

AW
June 6th, 2008, 08:39 AM
didnt have my camera with me today wen i whent thru it but have you noticed the hight of the cranes? its gonna be a massve building!!! im really really looking forward to this one :)

Oh yes, my thoughts exactly! :) I guess it's easy to forget but it's actually three separate buildings in one project, 12 fl office, 14 fl hotel and the conference part. I wish every new project could be like this. :)

AW
June 6th, 2008, 09:05 AM
Insane Alex: Interesting little highrise there, good news!

A small city update:

Apartments at norra bantorget:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2555736010_7ac4893602_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2555736080_408f621d8d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2554910149_63c3d2f393_b.jpg

^^ The crane on the far left is working on the addition of three extra floors on top of the building facing wtc. Some renders:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2554909693_f6d37f3ba6_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2555735812_f3aeb2cf63_o.jpg

Kungsbron growing:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/2554910299_97d410e016_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2555736388_866cd19597_b.jpg

And finally, this newly renovated (new facade, added floors etc) building along sveavägen:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/2554910553_609243365d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/2555736594_41a882404f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2555735912_6bd5a2acf9_b.jpg

Boscorelli
June 6th, 2008, 10:15 AM
^^

Really nice update, thanks!

Amazing that people already seem to have moved in?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2555736010_7ac4893602_b.jpg


Why are those two windows closed, I mean what is it that's sticking out from those two windows on each corner?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/2555736594_41a882404f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2555735912_6bd5a2acf9_b.jpg

Insane alex
June 6th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Thanks for the update, AW!

khaan
June 6th, 2008, 06:13 PM
^^

Why are those two windows closed, I mean what is it that's sticking out from those two windows on each corner?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3278/2555736594_41a882404f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2555735912_6bd5a2acf9_b.jpg


Those are cellphone transmitters. I guess they were up on the roof or something before so they had to place them somewhere while construction is going on.

khaan
June 6th, 2008, 06:18 PM
I found a new future highrise project in kristineberg, apparently NCC are building it and it will be a office development... Couldn't find any good renderings but here's a small one...

http://www.ncc.se/Global/Commercial_space/images/project_images/kristineberg2_100x100.jpg

Kristineberg
Stockholm, Sweden
Offices
25,000-70.000 sq.m.
Planned completion: 2012-2014

Where did you find this? Looks interresting!

Insane alex
June 7th, 2008, 05:10 PM
Where did you find this? Looks interresting!

On ncc's homepage. :)

khaan
June 7th, 2008, 06:09 PM
On ncc's homepage. :)

Could we perhaps have a link to the page with the info please? :-)

Insane alex
June 7th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Ofcourse! Sry.. Here you go: http://www.ncc.se/en/Commercial-spaces/Offices/Ongoing-projects1/

MP
June 7th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ofcourse! Sry.. Here you go: http://www.ncc.se/en/Commercial-spaces/Offices/Ongoing-projects1/
Might be the same as the one to the left in this picture:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/719/bussdepa1zk5.png

Which is on the plot of that ~100m highrise in those really old concept renders.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6157/bussdepa2os0.png

From Reflex Arkitekter (http://www.reflexark.se/index.html), uppdrag, infrastruktur.

khaan
June 7th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Ofcourse! Sry.. Here you go: http://www.ncc.se/en/Commercial-spaces/Offices/Ongoing-projects1/

thx. I have now sent an email to the contact listed on that page, I will keep you posted if I get a reply.

Insane alex
June 7th, 2008, 08:33 PM
thx. I have now sent an email to the contact listed on that page, I will keep you posted if I get a reply.

Great, thanks!

Swede
June 8th, 2008, 03:48 AM
Which is on the plot of that ~100m highrise in those really old concept renders.
The 100m hieght for that plot is still the plan, last I heard about it. Which was just a few weeks ago when I and wolkenkrabber went to a meeting about the plans for NordvästraKungsholmen hosted by Esssingebiblotekets Vänner (iirc) which was a presentation done by a guy from SBK.

K-J N.
June 10th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Picture time...

Liljeholmskajen
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/liljeholmskajen01.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/liljeholmskajen02.jpg

Saltsjökvarn
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/saltsjokvarn01.jpg
The old mill is being converted into a hotell.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/saltsjokvarn02.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/saltsjokvarn03.jpg
Metro Living had an interview with the architect of this new appartment house a while ago. He said typical Swedish architect stuff like it was important that the new building didnt "compete" with the old one, as much sunlight as possible into the appartments, etc.

Intrestingly this also seems to be yet another new built area where the planners though that the big group of people living there would be older coupples that are selling their house to move back to town but instead there is a big interest from younger coupples with kids to move in. I'm surprised that they almost seem surprised by that.

Hammarby Sjöstad
These pictures are actually about one month old but oh well...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/hammarbysjostad01.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/hammarbysjostad02.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/hammarbysjostad03.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/hammarbysjostad04.jpg

Subway
The subway between Gullmarsplan and Farsta Strand is closed for a coupple of months due to renovation.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/farstatunnelbana01.jpg
Here is Farsta without tracks, like I said is an old picture so the new tracks are there now.

khaan
June 10th, 2008, 01:11 PM
Picture time...

Excellent update, thanks!
I like that banner "We are now tearing down this ugly house" :-D

Insane alex
June 10th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Nice update! I am planning to take some photos soon of different projects around sthlm too.. :)

Insane alex
June 11th, 2008, 12:38 AM
A new highrise in central Stockholm?

Citybanans huvudentré placeras på Vasagatan

Ett nytt höghus i bästa läge på Vasagatan. Så kan Citybanans nya station komma att dominera ett känsligt område i centrala Stockholm. Men det är bråttom.

Placeringen av stationsentréerna till det komplicerade byggprojektet Citybanan har vållat åtskilligt huvudbry. I den senast antagna detaljplanen från april ska huvudentrén placeras i fastigheten Klarabergsgatan/Nils Ferlins torg (mitt emot Åhléns varuhus), något som även fastställts i Banverkets järnvägsplan i maj.

Som ett komplement ska även en mindre entré ligga vid Vasagatan, inom fastigheten där hotell Continental ligger. Men tomträttshavaren Folksam och hotelloperatören Scandic har haft invändningar mot alltför stort intrång i själva hotellverksamheten.

Nu förhandlar stadsbyggnadskontorets tjänstemän med Folksam, SL och Banverket om ett nytt förslag - att i stället lägga huvudentrén i hotellkvarteret och helt slopa det tidigare förslaget vid Nils Ferlins torg. Förslaget kräver att den lägre hotellbyggnaden mot Vasagatan rivs. Den återuppbyggs med en glasad hall i två våningar ovanför Citybanans rulltrappor.

Den planerade huvudentrén får utgångar både mot Vasagatan och Klarabergsgatan. Biljetthallen för röda och gröna tunnelbanelinjerna får en förbindelse upp till Klarabergsgatan, vilket inte finns i den nuvarande lösningen. En nackdel blir att gångströmmarna från de underjordiska anläggningarna får en något krokigare väg upp till gatunätet.

I utbyte ska Folksam/Scandic enligt förslaget få bygga ett högt hus för hotell och kontor och bostäder ovanpå stationsingången mot Vasagatan.

Enligt stadsbyggnadskontorets utlåtande förtydligar ett höghus Vasagatan och dess identitet som stadens pulsåder. Centralplan framför centralstationen stärks som plats och får en tydligare markering och ett sammanhang med Hötorgscity skapas. "Staden får ett strategiskt beläget nytt landmärke" heter det.

Kontoret rekommenderar parallella arkitektuppdrag för att belysa olika möjligheter att behandla byggnadsvolymen, hur en befintlig hotelldel kan anpassas till en ny huskropp samt utformningen av den nya stationslösningen.

Men det är bråttom. En förutsättning för projektet är att tidplanen för Citybanan inte försenas. Projektet förutsätter att avtal träffas mellan staden, Banverket och Folksam. Ett avtal om genomförande bör enligt stadsbyggnadskontoret föreligga under april 2009 för att projektet skall kunna inordnas i Citybanans tidplan för station City med byggstart våren 2010. Sju år senare ska station City vara färdig.


http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=778287&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/77/82/87/grafikentre.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=grafikentre.swf

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/77/82/89/citybanan.jpg

Source, DN: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=778289

AW
June 11th, 2008, 03:25 AM
^^ OMG that would be so fucking awesome! That's one of the best locations for a new highrise in Sthlm city IMO! Once again I'll get my hopes up!

EDIT: BTW, isn't that brown building supposed to get some added floors as well? Exciting times for city!

EDIT #2: What's really cool about that article is how the headline doesn't focus on the highrise part, just mention it as a "natural" side effect of the development at hotel continental. And thumbs up for SBK and their healthy attitude! A breath of fresh air!

Adamovich-STHLM
June 11th, 2008, 07:37 AM
wow wow wow!
simply great news...:cheers:

Muthai
June 11th, 2008, 10:16 AM
That highrise will look super in the skyline next to SWF. Hopefully we're talking about a 25+ fl highrise and not a tiny 12 fl or someting.

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Men det är bråttom. En förutsättning för projektet är att tidplanen för Citybanan inte försenas.

But it will be delayed! There is always someone that will make a complaint, don't you think?

AW
June 11th, 2008, 12:28 PM
^^ Well, SWF was approved relatively fast despite at least one complaint iirc, so one can only hope they'll speed up the process for this one so they can afford some nimbyism

Nanoflux
June 11th, 2008, 03:02 PM
This is great news, as that building is one of the ugliest in the city. Good riddance!
I just hope they can do something about the yellow two story buildings in front of Klara kyrka as well soon, those are just horrible!

Keep bringing down the uglies and get some cool glass stuff in there! :)

.R

Swede
June 11th, 2008, 05:35 PM
I wrote a little piece about it at yimby.se
http://www.yimby.se/2008/06/citybanans-huvudentr%e9-vid_564.html

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 05:45 PM
I want that orgelpipan! Damn!

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/0d89f09d-6487-41a3-80ad-68269a253673.jpg


Then I suppose the lowrise building to the right on the first picture is out?
There will be a highrise there now then, it's the same location isn't it?

AW
June 11th, 2008, 07:47 PM
Swede: nice, but your assumption on the height of the new part of Scandic seems a little off. I mean the article says "Enligt stadsbyggnadskontorets utlåtande förtydligar ett höghus Vasagatan och dess identitet som stadens pulsåder." <- An extension of the Scandic building with exactly the same height (10 floors) just can't be considered a new highrise, not even by Sthlm standards. Well, I refuse to believe that anyway...

Swede
June 11th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Ah, but it doesn't say "a new highrise", it says "a highrise". This can be interperted as a simply highrise streetfront aloong Vasagatan. The Scandic is today setback quite a bit. So it's a pessimistic interpertation. ;)

Also, I saw on ABC tonight that the Clarion at Skanstull has plans for expanding into a conference center, including a new tower roughly equal in hight with the Folksam building! :)

Swede
June 11th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Then I suppose the lowrise building to the right on the first picture is out?
There will be a highrise there now then, it's the same location isn't it?
Yeah, that's the location. I guess the design for the station showed in that rendering is completely out too.

sapmi
June 11th, 2008, 09:35 PM
Article about Slussen:
http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article368321.ece

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 09:53 PM
^^

That Johan Nyrén almost sound a bit bitter but I think this is an excellent idea to bring in more architects and it might make better ideas emerge even from Nyréns, better than it else would have.

Swede
June 11th, 2008, 10:13 PM
He dounds a bit bitter, yes, but with just cause. He won the first competition and now he won't be allowed to join the competition for the final streetlevel design? whaaat?

I like the closed competition format for Slussen, but Nyrén should be one of them. Unless his office is so small that it'll be completely busy doing the part they DID win.

khaan
June 11th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Article about Slussen:
http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article368321.ece

"Att Slussens öde är en fråga som berör många märks bland annat genom att de utställda förslagen lockade 4 000 besökare. Av dem som lämnade skriftliga synpunkter var 83 procent för Nyréns förslag om ett helt nytt Slussen. Det andra förslaget, som tagits fram av White Arkitekter och som byggde på ett bevarande av ”klöverbladsmodellen”, förordades enbart av Skönhetsrådet och Stadsmuséet."

*ROFLMAO*
So true, so true... hehe :)

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 10:28 PM
He dounds a bit bitter, yes, but with just cause. He won the first competition and now he won't be allowed to join the competition for the final streetlevel design? whaaat?

I like the closed competition format for Slussen, but Nyrén should be one of them. Unless his office is so small that it'll be completely busy doing the part they DID win.

But he is one of the five that has been chosen. He just want to decide even more about the wholeness of the project! But he is in it or his firm is.

khaan
June 11th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Ah, but it doesn't say "a new highrise", it says "a highrise". This can be interperted as a simply highrise streetfront aloong Vasagatan. The Scandic is today setback quite a bit. So it's a pessimistic interpertation. ;)

Also, I saw on ABC tonight that the Clarion at Skanstull has plans for expanding into a conference center, including a new tower roughly equal in hight with the Folksam building! :)

The only thing I can find on SBK there is "Hammarby Entré"?
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____3144.aspx

26 stories if the plan stands as before. Nothing exceptional but nice for Stockholm :)

But the gfx in the ABC segment doesnt look the same so I dunno.
Any1 got more info on this?

Swede
June 11th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Ah. my bad :( ;)

Then he's just petty and bitter. As long as he gets aid for it and is always given credit in all the presentations/documents about the new plan I'd say he comes out on top. Sure, not the funnest thing to hear, that they're gonna try to give the visible parts to someone more famous, but plz get past it and don't hold all this up yet another decade.

@khaan - roflmfao! I love how the poll, when the participants had seen both alternatives that existed for real, showed 83% want the new Slussen. In DN:s and SvD:s polls, when they lie and ask about the new Slussen or renovating the old, it's mostly renovating - but still not anywhere near as big a win! :D

No! it's NOT Hammarby Entré! this new Clarion-tower is west of the north end of the bridges, not east of the south end.

sapmi
June 11th, 2008, 10:42 PM
^^

That Johan Nyrén almost sound a bit bitter but I think this is an excellent idea to bring in more architects and it might make better ideas emerge even from Nyréns, better than it else would have.
Of course he's bitter. He won the competition, but afterwards they decided to have another competition. :D

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 10:45 PM
No! it's NOT Hammarby Entré! this new Clarion-tower is west of the north end of the bridges, not east of the south end.

Oh my god I thought it was Hammarby Entre, I almost screamed of joy!
Damn!

Insane alex
June 11th, 2008, 11:01 PM
More good news!!!!

Snabb utbyggnad av Tvärbanan

Om ett år tas första spadtaget till spårvägen från Alvik till Solna. Fyra år och 3,6 miljarder senare är den klar. Tvärbana norr beräknas få dubbelt så många resenärer som Tvärbanan mellan Alvik och Hammarby sjöstad.

Förlängningen av Tvärbanan från Alvik norrut mot Solna och Kista har planerats i åtskilliga år. Nu är planerna för den första grenen - mot Solna - på väg att klubbas igenom i de tre berörda kommunerna och landstinget. Alla planer och all projektering ska vara klar till vintern för byggstart någon gång på våren eller försommaren. Med en byggtid på fyra år betyder det högtidlig invigning våren eller försommaren 2013.

Tvärbanan mellan Alvik och Hammarby sjöstad har 35.000 resenärer per dag och betraktas som en succé. När Tvärbana norr från Alvik via grannskapet av flygplats, centrala Sundbyberg och Solna centrum till Solna station är klar, beräknas Tvärbanan totalt ha 100.000 resenärer dagligen.

- Det är mer än en tredjedel av vad pendeltågen har och det kommer att avlasta tunnelbanan, betonar trafiklandstingsrådet Christer G Wennerholm (m).

På nästa möte tar SL-styrelsen beslut om att sätta full fart med bygget. Kostnaden för sju kilometer tvärspårväg med nya spårvagnar som ska gå var femte minut - dagens Tvärbana har 10 minuter mellan avgångarna, men får snart 7,5 minuter - beräknas till 3,6 miljarder. Var miljarderna ska tas är ännu inte bestämt. SL har 2,5 miljarder i investeringsplanen för 2009-2012.

- Kommunerna är angelägna om att bygga. Företag har intresse av projektet och Tvärbanan ligger högt upp på listorna över projekt som Stockholmsregionen fört fram till regeringen. Exakt ur vilken ficka vi hämtar pengarna vet vi inte, men det finns pengar, lovar Christer G Wennerholm.

Tvärbanan kommer att gå genom Solna Business Park, Solna centrum - på väg att på allvar döpas om till Solna City - och sluta vid Arenastaden med den nya nationalarenan för fotboll. De tre områdena kommer att expandera med fler arbetsplatser, men också bostäder. Lars-Erik Salminen (m), ordförande i kommunstyrelsen i Solna är mycket angelägen om att bygget av Tvärbanan kommer i gång så snart som möjligt.

- Trafiken i Solna bli tätare och tätare. Tvärbanan blir ett väldigt välkommet alternativ till köer. För min del tror jag att den planerade tunnelbanan från Solna till Karolinska kommer att fortsätta till Solna station. Då får man ett bra system med flera bytespunkter mellan pendeltåg, olika tunnelbanegrenar och spårväg, säger Lars-Erik Salminen.

Restiden mellan Alvik och Solna station kommer att bli 16 minuter. Huvuddelen av sträckan går i dagsljus, men Traneberg och delar av Solna passeras i tunnel. Den som vill njuta av en spårvagnstur kan åka hela sträckan från Sickla Udde till Solna station på omkring 46 minuter.

Merparten av framtidens spårvägsresenärer lär dock - precis som på Tvärbanan Alvik-Hammarby sjöstad - nöja sig med att åka en del av sträckan. Politiskt råder total enighet om satsningen. Det enda de politiska blocken är oense om är inslaget av privat finansiering.

http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=778580&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/77/85/80/tvarbanansolna.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=tvarbanansolna.swf

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/77/85/75/tvarbanansolna448.jpg

Source, DN: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=778575

Boscorelli
June 11th, 2008, 11:06 PM
^^

That's really good news and he even thinks that the future subway will continue to Solna station

khaan
June 12th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Ah, but it doesn't say "a new highrise", it says "a highrise". This can be interperted as a simply highrise streetfront aloong Vasagatan. The Scandic is today setback quite a bit. So it's a pessimistic interpertation. ;)

Also, I saw on ABC tonight that the Clarion at Skanstull has plans for expanding into a conference center, including a new tower roughly equal in hight with the Folksam building! :)

Found it!
http://insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/document/2008-06-12/Dagordning/22/22.pdf

Insane alex
June 12th, 2008, 12:38 AM
^^A lot of good news these days! With the new government things around here are starting to change in a really good way, atleast infrastural-wise and construction wise! They have my vote for the next elections!

khaan
June 12th, 2008, 12:53 AM
^^A lot of good news these days! With the new government things around here are starting to change in a really good way, atleast infrastural-wise and construction wise! They have my vote for the next elections!

When it comes to infrastructure I completely agree. For some reason the left seems to hate Stockholm...
But when it comes to construction, in all fairness, some of the projects currently going up in central Stockholm was planned during the last majority.

Hopefully the social democrats now has seen the light as well:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/02/jamtin-skriver-om-stockho_464.html

Insane alex
June 12th, 2008, 01:35 AM
The lefties seem very old fashioned and always negative to new things... That's Sweden all in all... ''No, we have to preserve what we have'' never trying new concepts and such. I think it's a shame. Now atleast the rightwinged government are trying to change this point of view and generally speaking, people are changing to too nowadays, wanting to try new things and are more postive towards things.. maybe a little ''överdrivet'' (to tired to keep my english skills going) :P

I hope you guys understand my reasoning, I am a bit tired...

Boscorelli
June 12th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Don't know if it has been posted before or not, but I don't think so, well anyway here is the inside of Kista terrass:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3417/kista20terrass20kvartermj7.jpg

MP
June 12th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Plan suggestions for a new development of Masthamnen, the industrial area east of Stadsgårdskajen, Södermalm:

Jan Inghe (from what I understand some sort of guideline for the others)
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4900/masthamn1ii6.png

White Arkitekter
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7742/masthamn2vm1.png

Rosenbergs Arkitekter
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5988/masthamn3br5.png

White's version seems a bit better integrated with the rest of the city, but Rosenbergs' looks cozier and I like the idea of separating the Finland ferry part from Fåfängan by turning it into a pier. I can't find any time plans for anything, but Viking Line has a contract to 2017 so I guess they'll just keep on drawing for a while. But it looks promising!

http://insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/document/2008-06-12/Dagordning/19/19.pdf

Boscorelli
June 12th, 2008, 05:46 PM
^^

Oh my god the people at Fjällgatan won't survive this, it's far too close to their backyard! :lol:

GoSatta
June 12th, 2008, 06:04 PM
white one with the pier would look good.

AW
June 12th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Found it!
http://insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/document/2008-06-12/Dagordning/22/22.pdf

And for the lazy ones:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/2572841851_f76143c863_o.jpg

:cheers:

Regarding Masthamnen: Too bad it's so far away, I'd like to see that area redeveloped asap! And this one is gonna get the nimbys recruiting suicide bombers.

khaan
June 12th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I can't find any time plans for anything, but Viking Line has a contract to 2017 so I guess they'll just keep on drawing for a while. But it looks promising!

http://insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/document/2008-06-12/Dagordning/19/19.pdf

Very interresting indeed! Finally some news about this area.
I don't think they have to wait to 2017 at all, according to the documents the plan is to allow for as much harbour activity as before, I.E. Viking Line will still go there.

UPDATE:
Whoops.. missed this one:
"Stadsbyggnadskontoret har tagit fram en detaljplan som ger Viking Line rätt att ha kvar de byggnader man haft tillfälliga bygglov för till och med 2017. Den fortsatta planeringen av området bygger på att det vid den tidpunkten finns nya detaljplaner som reglerar bebyggelsen och verksamheten i Masthamnen."

Damn it :(

Swede
June 12th, 2008, 09:39 PM
This last page is just chock full of awesome!

Tvärbanan by 2013 means it's actually happening. Not some distant "in the future"-type plan, but a "we're gonna do it"-type plan. construction start next year... najs.

Masthamnen is looking good. I like bits of both plans. White: Folkungagatan keeps going without a hard bend and that it is a continuation of the Southside urbanity. Rosenberg: Dense blocks, more urban in a way and the pier looks cool.

Skanstull: a tower right there? filling in the hole that the unused railline is today? yes please. The tower would together with Folksam create a real gate-effect.

wolkenkrabber
June 12th, 2008, 09:42 PM
White's version seems a bit better integrated with the rest of the city, but Rosenbergs' looks cozier and I like the idea of separating the Finland ferry part from Fåfängan by turning it into a pier. I can't find any time plans for anything, but Viking Line has a contract to 2017 so I guess they'll just keep on drawing for a while. But it looks promising!


I'm all for reosenbergs! enclosed cityblocks with courthouses even, and it is more generic, not so square and sterile, it kinda makes me think of the area around industrigatan/ahlströmmergatan on kungsholmen!

Insane alex
June 12th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Awesome! I like both of the proposals for masthamnen! It's also a perfect place to have one or two highrises. :)

Insane alex
June 12th, 2008, 10:15 PM
sry delete this please..

sapmi
June 13th, 2008, 11:17 AM
Fram till år 2030 växer Stockholmsregionen med ett Göteborg. Den nya regionala utvecklingsplanen som ska ut på remiss har två alternativ - ett med mer stenstad och tunnelbanor och ett med fler radhus och bussar.

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=779125

AW
June 13th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Jesus Tittiefucking Christ, how can terrace houses be an alternativ to such a massive increase in population!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Boscorelli
June 13th, 2008, 11:55 AM
^^

Yes insane!

So Stockholm will grow with one Gothenburg untill 2030, would it be provacative to say that stockholm would almost grow with one Oslo untill 2030?

Swede
June 13th, 2008, 11:57 AM
"Rowhouses and busses" is quite missleading. "Rowhouses and cars" is more accurate.
I'm not sure if it's just me being used to reading Stockholm papers, buy I'm sensing an angling in the article in favour of "Fördelad" (aka suburbia).

Metro Stockholm will grow by about 600k by 2030, so calling it one Oslo is too much IMO - since we're talking metros, and metro Oslo is clearly bigger than 600k.

GoSatta
June 13th, 2008, 11:58 AM
its DN :)

sapmi
June 13th, 2008, 12:01 PM
"Rowhouses and busses" is quite missleading. "Rowhouses and cars" is more accurate.
I'm not sure if it's just me being used to reading Stockholm papers, buy I'm sensing an angling in the article in favour of "Fördelad" (aka suburbia).

Metro Stockholm will grow by about 600k by 2030, so calling it one Oslo is too much IMO - since we're talking metros, and metro Oslo is clearly bigger than 600k.
The article feels a bit biased, yes.

Alternativet "Tät" naggar de gröna kilarna som leder nästan in i innerstaden mer i kanten än "Fördelad". Vid Barkarby och i Huddinge smalnar kilarna av så pass att de byter namn till "grönt samband".
Oh nooooooo! :lol:

Swede
June 13th, 2008, 12:44 PM
^Exactly what I ment :D
THat the other plan means that far, far more nature will get paved isn't mentioned at all.

Kevlargeist
June 13th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Fördelad sounds like a jerky idea and if I didn't know that the article was published in DN I'd probably say that the writer is a master of sarcasm.

khaan
June 13th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Yimby comments:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/06/stockholms-regionala-utve_566.html

Scurck
June 14th, 2008, 04:00 AM
But please remember that they probably calculate these numbers from the asumption that immigration will continue to be at 100.000 per year like it is now, or more... :ohno:

Sideshow_Bob
June 14th, 2008, 08:33 AM
/\ Are you hostile against foreigners?

fetg_
June 14th, 2008, 08:44 AM
1 june
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_jun08_460.gif
http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Lindhagen/Delprojekt/Hornsbergs-strandKojan/Bilder-fran-Hornsbergs-strand/

fetg_
June 14th, 2008, 08:53 AM
asumption that immigration will continue to be at 100.000 per year like it is now, or more... :ohno:
In 2007, the immigration surplus from abroad to the Stockholm county was just 14 726(which stands for less than half of the total increase). Total people moving in from rest of Sweden and abroad was 67 598.

Muthai
June 14th, 2008, 10:54 AM
I can't imagine a growth of 600k in Stockholm 'til 2030. I think that more people will leave the overgrown Stockholm in favor for nearby cities, as the overcrowded core will push people out to suburbia. The politicians have to understand that there have to be more residents in the citycore or more poeple will live a lowstandard living in the projects.

I spontaneous say what I think would be great for the further development of Stockholm: A ring around the citycore with highrises! Maybe two to four blocks thick and seven kilometers in diameter. That would really be spectacular, and put Stockholm on the map. Then put a ringline of metro under that circle to create a fast way to transfer between the highrises without burden the citycore´s transferhubs. :okay: It will hopefully looks like a clone of sheikh zayed road and Visby ringmur.

Hehe, I understand that it "may" be rather impossible for that kind of masterplan in Nimbycity no.1. but hey, one man can dream, right?

Swede
June 14th, 2008, 08:40 PM
^Huh? What do you mean by "nearby cities"? Solna? Enköping? what? The core is FAR from overcrowded. Parts of the suburbs are overcrowded! The core, despite now having more many more appartments than 60 years ago now has only 2/3 of the then population. Overcrowded, it is not.

You're idea of a ring of tall buildings does tie in with what Yimby wants ;) new urbaninty that extends the inner city, buildings just as dense on the ground but taller buildings.

But please remember that they probably calculate these numbers from the asumption that immigration will continue to be at 100.000 per year like it is now, or more... :ohno:
1. You are factually wrong in your statement.
2. That is not a debate for this thread. You wanna discuss closing our burders to those dirrty furreneirs, there is an Icebar.

1 june
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_jun08_460.gif
http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Lindhagen/Delprojekt/Hornsbergs-strandKojan/Bilder-fran-Hornsbergs-strand/

Excellent pic. Us yimby people were out there just a few hours ago, progress is being made! The asphalt plant is slowly comming down :D

muster
June 14th, 2008, 09:34 PM
^^

Yes insane!

So Stockholm will grow with one Gothenburg untill 2030, would it be provacative to say that stockholm would almost grow with one Oslo untill 2030?

You and you`re Norway/Oslo obsession :lol: Since Oslo is growing more and faster than Stockholm, its more like Oslo will grow with one Stockholm before 2030.:cheers:

Infact Stockholm have to work hard to keep Oslo behind..:D

Scurck
June 15th, 2008, 04:51 AM
1. You are factually wrong in your statement.
2. That is not a debate for this thread. You wanna discuss closing our burders to those dirrty furreneirs, there is an Icebar.

I merley pointed out what they probably where basing their extremley large population increase uppon, since this was the current point of discussion in this thread.

And I surley hope that this is not one of those forums where the mere mention of immigration causes accusations of nazism or crap like that...
The facts from migrationsverket states: 86 095 residence permits and 36 207* asylum seekers in 2007.
(*Highest numbers in Europe and 11% of the whole worlds asylum seekers)

staff
June 15th, 2008, 12:18 PM
^^
So?

SSC is one of those forums that will call you a racist if you make racist comments (not saying you have).

Swede
June 15th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Like I said, this thread is not the place to discuss that. Any further posts on that topic and they'll all get deleted.

Some nice news about Rålis:
Rålis får ny skatepark
I höst får Rålis en ny skatepark. 1 000 kvadratmeter betong gjuts under Rålambshovsbron.
Det är skateboardföreningen Stockholm Suburban Surfers som tillsammans med Stockholms stad och Ung Kung, föreningen för unga på Kungsholmen, ser till att den nya betongparken i Rålambshovsparken blir verklighet.

– Vi har länge behövt en större park. Den här blir unik i Sverige eftersom den byggs direkt under bron, säger Ants Neo, vice ordförande i Stockholm Suburban Surfers.

Projektet finansieras delvis med stadens pengar för upprustning av Rålambshovsparken, och kostnaden beräknas bli strax över en miljon kronor.

– I dag finns en del parker med mindre ramper i Stockholm. Men vi ville bygga den här större, betonggjutna, där flera åkstilar kan samsas, säger Ants Neo.

Parken börjar byggas i augusti, och står klar i höst.

Sara Haldert

So the area under the big road-viaducty in Rålis will go from noman's land to a skate-park. I like it!

wolkenkrabber
June 15th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Some nice news about Rålis:


So the area under the big road-viaducty in Rålis will go from noman's land to a skate-park. I like it!

though i wonder what will happen to the ramps between the kindergarten and the open-air theatre? maybe the kindergarten will extend its playground?

Inspirit
June 15th, 2008, 02:17 PM
It's time to say: Kungsbron is topped out! :yes:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6070/kb1mj1.jpg

from Norra Bantorget

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1706/kb2me0.jpg

and some "fulingar" nearby..

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2628/panonbt2gy2.jpg

Insane alex
June 15th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Thanks! Kungsbron looks huge!!

Swede
June 15th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Awesome shots, Inspirit. When all those are donr Stockholm's downtown will feel bigger :)

Kevlargeist
June 15th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Massive sites and indeed, those are great fillers streetscape-wise.

Inspirit
June 15th, 2008, 11:46 PM
And kv Snöflingan:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4493/panosf1hv4.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2816/panosf2kv8.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2475/panosf3yg3.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6754/psf4jc4.jpg

the foundation of the next building

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1489/panosf5si0.jpg

the lot map

http://skanska.se/files/graphics/img_news/projekt/situationsplan.gif

Adamovich-STHLM
June 15th, 2008, 11:46 PM
More drama in coming up in the public transportation issue in Sthlm...
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=794036

wolkenkrabber
June 15th, 2008, 11:47 PM
small update on NV Kungsholmen.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/Foto362.jpg

Adamovich-STHLM
June 15th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Like I said, this thread is not the place to discuss that. Any further posts on that topic and they'll all get deleted.

Some nice news about Rålis:


So the area under the big road-viaducty in Rålis will go from noman's land to a skate-park. I like it!

Wasn`t it this project that was supposed to be in Högdalen at first?
Or was that another one?
Something like "Biggest skatepark in Europe" or something like that i heard a while ago.

Boscorelli
June 16th, 2008, 12:13 AM
And kv Snöflingan:



Really nice pictures! What sort of camera have you got?

Inspirit
June 16th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Really nice pictures! What sort of camera have you got?

thanks,) Nikon D300. Allmost all today's pix are panoramas, that's the secret.

Insane alex
June 16th, 2008, 01:38 AM
T-bana till Nacka kan stoppa förlängning av Tvärbanan

SL:s styrelse tar på tisdagen beslut om att bygga Tvärbana Ost från Hammarby sjöstad till Slussen och koppla ihop den med Saltsjöbanan. Men det är inte helt säkert att spårvägen byggs. Det kan bli så att både Saltsjöbanan och spårvägen slutar i Nacka som får t-bana från Kungsträdgården.

Danviks Lösen är namnet på den trafikknutpunkt vid Henriksdalsberget där Tvärbanan och Saltsjöbanan ska kopplas samman och gå vidare på en ny bro och i en renoverad tunnel till Slussen. Projektet innebär också att spår och väg byter plats så att motorvägen sprängs in i berget mellan olika reningsbassänger i det stora reningsverket och spåren dras där motorvägen i dag går.

SL, Stockholm och Nacka har skrivit avtal om att samverka så att första spadtaget till spårvägen kan tas i januari 2010, och Nacka och Stockholm är överens om hur de ska fördela sina bidrag - totalt 1,5 miljarder - till finansieringen av projektet som frigör stora ytor av värdefull bostadsmark för Stockholm och gör det möjligt för Nacka att bygga ett fyrsiffrigt antal bostäder på Kvarnholmen.

På tisdag ska SL:s del av projektet - Tvärbanans förlängning och en modernisering av Saltsjöbanan - tas upp i SL-styrelsen. Politikerna väntas då besluta att genomföra projektet. Men det behöver inte betyda att det någonsin blir verklighet enligt de ritningar och beslut som finns i dag. Skenande kostnader och det allt intensivare talet om att bygga tunnelbana från Kungsträdgården till Nacka kan betyda att spårplanerna i sydöst tar en annan vändning.

Kostnaden för Tvärbana Osts förlängning beräknades år 2003 till 1,9 miljarder med byggstart 2005. Den byggstarten fördröjdes när både landstingets ekonomi och statens vilja att satsa pengar i huvudstaden pekade nedåt. En senare prislapp på 3 miljarder har när planeringen gjorts noggrannare ändrats till 4,7 miljarder.

Det är väldigt mycket pengar och SL har därför presenterat andra förslag i vad som kan sägas vara ett underlag för politiska diskussioner. De förslagen spar på kort sikt pengar och siktar i huvudsak på att det i framtiden ska byggas tunnelbana till Nacka.


Att modernisera Saltsjöbanan med nya spår och fordon men strunta i att förlänga Tvärbanan och bygga en bred station i berget vid Slussen skulle spara omkring 1,0-1,2 miljarder.


Att dra Tvärbanan vidare till Sickla och att modernisera Saltsjöbanan mellan Sickla och Saltsjöbaden för att skapa ett resecentrum i Sickla för byte till en framtida tunnelbana skulle spara 1,9 miljarder. I det alternativet rivs spåren till Slussen upp och all trafik in mot stan går med buss i väntan på tunnelbanan.

Ett beslut om en förlängning av Tvärbanan brådskar främst för att Saltsjöbanan är mycket sliten. Den håller enligt SL:s egna beräkningar inte längre än till nyår 2010. Upprustningen av banan måste alltså sättas i gång ganska snart. Det finns ett riktigs svångremsalternativ som går ut på en upprustning av spåren, en flytt av dem så att de går runt Henriksdalsberget och upprustade fordon. Den snålvarianten beräknas kosta 1,4 miljarder. Men då håller inte systemet längre än 10-15 år. De andra alternativen byggs för att räcka i 60 år.

Varför ifrågasätts då förlängningen av Tvärbana Ost över huvud taget? Det beror på oro för kostnaderna, men också för att teknikerna och planerarna på SL är angelägna om att det byggs tunnelbana till Nacka. Både för att Nacka och Värmdö växer så snabbt att det snart är en ständig busskö in mot Slussen i morgonrusningen och för att tunnelbanan mellan Slussen och T-Centralen inte har plats för mer folk i rusningen. En tunnelbana från Kungsträdgården via östra Södermalm till Nacka skulle lätta på de röda och gröna linjerna.

Det stora bekymret med en tunnelbana till Nacka är prislappen. Tunneln blir längre än Citybanans tågtunnel, som när den är klar kommer att ha kostat något i stil med 20 miljarder. Att satsa - gissningsvis - 30 miljarder på en ny tunnelbana är inget som politiker beslutar på en kafferast.

Det paradoxala är att den gigantiska kostnaden för tunnelbanan nog är det främsta skälet till att Tvärbana Ost, trots de skenande kostnaderna, kommer att förlängas till Slussen - precis som politiker av alla schatteringar lovat i åtskilliga år.

Pic: http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=794035&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/79/40/35/banan.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=banan.swf

I kinda like the new proposal!

Source, DN: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=794036

Boscorelli
June 16th, 2008, 10:56 PM
Lövholmen (Between Liljeholmen and Gröndal), Just outside the south west part of central stockholm.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/loevholmen.jpg
Note. Very preliminary render.

Quite interesting!

I don't know if you read this put this protocol from the 15 of may was put out on their site on the 29 of may after this was posted on this thread so perhaps it's new:

Stadsbyggnadsnämnden beslutade att återremittera ärendet samt att
därutöver anföra följande:


Det sena 1900-talets Stockholm präglades av en uppfattning om att det
som byggdes nytt allra helst skulle gömmas undan. Stadsbyggnadsnämnden
har ett synsätt som är det motsatta, och vi vill nu mana till mod
och uppmuntra förslag som innebär att det vi bygger i vår stad åter
sticker ut, tar plats, blir omtalat. Lövholmen är en gammal industrimiljö,
och när nu maskinerna lämnar plats för människor finns här en unik
chans till en tät, miljövänlig ny stadsdel. Med utgångspunkt i det arbete
som Färgfabriken lagt ner, i deras diskussioner om urbanitet och byggande
för framtiden, anser vi att detta är en plats som lämpar sig för spektakulära
projekt. Vi vill också ta fasta på det stockholmska motivet med
höga hus vid brofästen, och vill gärna se att Liljeholmsbron får en
passande inramning.



Stadsbyggnadsnämnden uppdrog i sitt beslut den 9 mars 2007 åt Stadsbyggnadskontoret
att ”den planmässiga utformningen bör vara en
kvartersstad”. I det diskussionsunderlag som nämnden idag tar ställning
till når man inte riktigt ända fram. En allt för stor hänsyn till dagens gatunät
har tagits, och i förslaget saknas helt slutna kvarter med trygga
gårdar. Stadsbyggnadsnämnden förnyar sitt uppdrag: att ta fram en högexploaterad
kvartersstad, där slutna gårdar, levande bottenvåningar och
funktionsblandning är grundstenarna. Där det bedöms möjligt ska, i likhet
med det föreliggande förslaget, befintlig äldre bebyggelse kunna
blandas med den nya. Vi vill också slå fast att parkeringstalet för området
ska vara minst 1,0 bilplatser per lägenhet.



En förutsättning för att utveckla hela området med ny stadsbebyggelse är
att Cementa kan flytta sin verksamhet till annan plats med motsvarande
goda lokaliseringsförutsättningar, som tillgång till hamn och järnvägsförbindelse.
Värtahamnen kan vara en sådan möjlighet, och detta är något
som måste undersökas. Det är viktigt för projektets genomförbarhet att
staden och Cementa samarbetar kring en ny lokalisering, då verksamhetens
bullernivåer och företagets egna expansionsplaner står i direkt
motsättning till möjligheten att uppföra bostäder i området.



Lövholmen är en central pusselbit i ett större grepp att låta innerstaden
kliva ut från malmarna, och att med en plan inspirerad av Södermalm
koppla ihop de innerstadslika områden som idag finns i närheten; Gröndalsvägen
och de äldre fastigheterna i kvarteret Stora Katrinebergs sydöstra hörn, ska vara projektets bärande idé. Det kräver radikalare grepp
än vad som hittills provats, och vi ser fram emot ett omarbetat förslag där
utgångspunkten tas i vad vi vill åstadkomma, inte bara vad vi har på
platsen idag.

Utvecklingen av båda sidorna av Lövholmsvägen bör samverka och bildaett stadsrum med de kvaliteter vi eftersträvar. Exempelvis bör man iplanläggningsarbetet vara klar över att de verksamheter som idag upptar
kvarteret Stranden omöjligt kan vara kvar på denna plats i all framtid.

Sorry for being in swedish but it was too long to translate.

Boscorelli
June 17th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Plans to build a new house inside a inner yard, Stockholms biggest inner yard, makes the people living there go crazy, they are protesting against it highly.
The building is located between Hornsgatan and lundagatan.

Redan 2003 fanns planer på att bygga bostäder på gården men efter högljudda protester lade man ner det projektet.

Men nu är det dags igen. Eventuellt kommer hela kvarteret med 341 lägenheter att ombildas till bostadsrätter och Svenska bostäder vill bygga fler lägenheter innan föreningen tar över fastigheten.

- En rund och harmonisk byggnad kommer att ge kvarteret en ny stadslik dimension. I den nedre våningen kan man ha så kallade bokaler, lokaler som inrymmer både en verksamhet och lägenhet. Det kan exempelvis vara fotoateljé eller hantverk.

Stadsbyggnadsnämnden har ännu inte tagit ställning till planerna. Ärendet bordlades på senaste mötet och ska upp igen den 21 augusti.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3233/7110565oz1.jpg

Two new pictures of how it will look at kvarteret Oxen Större:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8941/oxenstrre22xf4.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/619/oxenstrre0od3.jpg

sapmi
June 17th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Plans to build a new house inside a inner yard, Stockholms biggest inner yard, makes the people living there go crazy, they are protesting against it highly.
Haha, this is so stupid. I just laugh at those idiots. First of all, they have green areas just outside, next to Högalidskyrkan. And if that's not enough, they have Tantonlunden not far away. :bash:

GoSatta
June 17th, 2008, 01:42 PM
how can it be the biggest when they already built a house in the biggest one (down at sveavägen / vanadisvägen) ??

and google earth tells me the one in vasastan is the biggest :) but then again they have a house in it now so it got a bit smaler :)

Boscorelli
June 17th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Well I don't know I just read it in the article at Stockholm City that it was the biggest:

Kvarteret Plankan som ligger mellan Hornsgatan och Lundagatan har den största innergården i hela stan med en yta stor som en fotbollsplan.

kall_man
June 17th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Haha, this is so stupid. I just laugh at those idiots. First of all, they have green areas just outside, next to Högalidskyrkan. And if that's not enough, they have Tantonlunden not far away. :bash:

I dunno, I can actually agree that this particular project looks a bit insensitive. It would look good from above, but it will ruin the courtyard entirely with very little pay-off. A slimmer, higher building would have been less wasteful.

And no, that's not my back yard. ;)

Sideshow_Bob
June 17th, 2008, 06:14 PM
I dunno, I can actually agree that this particular project looks a bit insensitive. It would look good from above, but it will ruin the courtyard entirely with very little pay-off. A slimmer, higher building would have been less wasteful.

And no, that's not my back yard. ;)
Perhaps, but people do wanna live in the inner city so they have to bow for the demand, and I think infills in inneryards are actually a quite sensitive and kind way of densifying. :)

Boscorelli
June 17th, 2008, 09:42 PM
50.000 new appartments needs to be built within 5 years to house young people born in the late eighties - early ninethies.

http://di.se/Nyheter/?page=/Avdelningar/Artikel.aspx%3FArticleID%3D2008%5C06%5C17%5C288969%26sectionid%3DDinapengar%26o%3Dexpressen

Edit: This should have had been posted in a Sweden projects site or something since it is not 50.000 appartments in Stockholm of course, but in the big cities, sorry about that! ;)

Swede
June 17th, 2008, 11:41 PM
@Bosco - Those Oxen Större pictures? Like butter! :D

That proposal for building in Stockholm InnerCity's largest (empty) courtyard? not a good plan, I'd go for something like kall_man said: taller and thinner. But if it's that one or nothing? Build it! Sadly the nimby-fu is strong in that block. Last taime they suggested building somewhere else, like Gärdet or Tantolunden or some other place that wasn't their backyard. 100% nimbys. build in a park somewhere that is for the public, but not in our backyard that's just for us.

Boscorelli
June 19th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Found this proposal for a new building at Grev Ture Gatan 8 on Östermalm where the existing two houses would be thorn down and replaced by this new one.
Couldn't get any pictures out of the pdf but perhaps someone else has better luck!

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3929.aspx#bookmarkC15

Sims
June 19th, 2008, 01:27 PM
^^
Grevturegatan
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/grevture.jpg
Stureplan can be seen in the corner of the picture
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/grevture1.jpg

Ackebooa
June 19th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Oh so theres actually quite few good news for Stockholm. I would love that Clarion project, would look really good with two 70m+ and that area is so deserted! It's so close to the inner city, even on söder malm cant understand that its even allowed to be so empty! Would be really awesome with apartments under the brigdes too :3

And as a skater id love that project in Rålis! dude, stockholm really lack of places with activities for youths. I met two skater dudes from germany the other summer and we looked all over stockholm for a good skate park, but we just found a basketball ground with few boxes hehe. Ofc we got the pools in björns trädgård but thats nothing for street skaters.

Silver Creations
June 19th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Solvind, the winner in Mörby centrum!
Here´s news about the competition of a the new centrum in Danderyd.
http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article372035.ece
and here is more details, i think the highricehouse will be 32 floors!

http://www.danderyd.se/upload/bygg%20och%20miljö/morby_centrum/bidrag/SOLVIND.pdf

Glad midsommar! S C

Boscorelli
June 19th, 2008, 11:10 PM
^^

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1405/solvind70028551aql6.jpg

Don't know what to think of it when in black and white, any better pictures out there?

Inspirit
June 20th, 2008, 01:09 AM
Thanks for the good news, Silver Creations!
Finaly some fresh ideas for Stockholm!

pics from pdf

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3954/002qu7.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2809/003wb4.jpg

safta20
June 20th, 2008, 07:56 AM
^^Mörby centrum is Stockholms worst looking shopping mall today... but not in the future!

Dan
June 20th, 2008, 08:52 AM
Very cool. :) But didn't they rename it to Danderyds centrum recently?

Sideshow_Bob
June 20th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Wow, the view on the motorway coming from Täby must be fantastic when this one is complete!

MP
June 21st, 2008, 04:43 PM
Stadsbyggnadskontoret has released a long document about Norra Djurgården where they comment Yimby's proposal for more density. On page 62 they first summarize the proposal and then write what they think about it.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=1021802&FileName=Fordjupat.PDF&DataSource=2 (15 MB)

Motivering till ställningstagande

YIMBY:s förslag är ett intressant inlägg i debatten och visar på en vilja och ett intresse att utveckla Stockholm. Förslaget har flera fördelar, främst utifrån ett ekonomiskt och regionalt miljöperspektiv då det bidrar till de uppsatta målen att begränsa klimatpåverkan, effektivt använda marken samt att ta tillvara Hjorthagens centrala läge i regionen.

Stadsbyggnadskontoret anser dock att den känsliga kulturhistoriska bebyggelsen inom gasverksområdet bör hanteras med större försiktighet än vad förslaget föreslår, särskilt med tanke på närheten till Nationalstadsparken och den påverkan en så hög exploatering skulle medföra på stads- och landskapsbilden. Vid Ropsten kan dock högre bebyggelse, anpassad till det befintliga Hjorthagen, komma att prövas.

Vidare är stadsbyggnadskontoret tveksamt till om områdets kapacitet vad gäller bland annat parkeringsplatser och infrastruktur i form av tillfartsvägar är tillräcklig för den höga exploatering som föreslås. Såväl Ropstens trafikplats som den nya trafikplatsen vid Hjorthagen har kapacitetsbegränsningar.

There are also a whole bunch of NIMBY proposals with more wasteland and a more isolated national park. Most of them recieve more or less the same review as Yimby: "interesting, but.. nah."

There is also a summary where they use the environment argument against the nimbys:

Av de förslag som redovisats ovan innehåller sex av förslagen färre än 5000 bostäder, ett av förslagen fler än 5000 bostäder och två av förslagen innehåller lika många bostäder som programförslaget i det fördjupade programmet för Hjorthagen, d v s 5000 bostäder.

Stadsbyggnadskontorets generella bedömning är att de alternativ som innehåller färre än 5000 bostäder har negativa effekter, främst utifrån ett ekonomiskt och regionalt miljöperspektiv. Förslagen tar inte tillvara på Hjorthagens centrala läge och utnyttjar inte möjligheten att på ett effektivt sätt återanvända redan exploaterad mark för ny stadsbebyggelse. Förslagens relativt låga exploateringsnivå medför att ytterligare bostäder troligtvis kommer att byggas på jungfrulig mark i ett mer perifert läge, vilket leder till ökat transportarbete, nya investeringar i infrastruktur samt att grönområden tas i anspråk.

...

Ett av förslagen innehåller fler än 5000 bostäder. Stadsbyggnadskontoret anser dock att den känsliga kulturhistoriska bebyggelsen inom gasverksområdet bör hanteras med större försiktighet än vad förslaget föreslår, särskilt med tanke på närheten till Nationalstadsparken och den påverkan en så hög exploatering skulle medföra på stads- och landskapsbilden.

Vidare är stadsbyggnadskontoret tveksamt till om områdets kapacitet vad gäller bland annat parkeringsplatser och infrastruktur i form av tillfartsvägar är tillräcklig för den höga exploatering som föreslås.

I don't know if it's just wishful imagination, but I get the feeling that they are at least more positive to Yimby's proposal than to the nymby ones, or what do you think?

khaan
June 21st, 2008, 09:12 PM
Stadsbyggnadskontoret has released a long document about Norra Djurgården where they comment Yimby's proposal for more density. On page 62 they first summarize the proposal and then write what they think about it.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=1021802&FileName=Fordjupat.PDF&DataSource=2 (15 MB)



There are also a whole bunch of NIMBY proposals with more wasteland and a more isolated national park. Most of them recieve more or less the same review as Yimby: "interesting, but.. nah."

There is also a summary where they use the environment argument against the nimbys:



I don't know if it's just wishful imagination, but I get the feeling that they are at least more positive to Yimby's proposal than to the nymby ones, or what do you think?

I would say so yes. Our proposal is the only one they say they might take anything up on, meaning higher development level in the part near Ropsten.
It is also nice to see that SBK has acknowledged that our proposal is superior from a climate-perspective.

GoSatta
June 21st, 2008, 11:21 PM
good work!!! :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

AW
June 22nd, 2008, 12:54 AM
Yes that is awesome, cant say this enough: you guys rule!

Ringil
June 23rd, 2008, 05:53 PM
indeed, keep it up! :okay: Stockholm's new policy about building tall buildings and "Stenstaden" isn't only good for Stockholm, but also for cities close to the capital ;)

Adamovich-STHLM
June 24th, 2008, 09:26 PM
indeed, keep it up! :okay: Stockholm's new policy about building tall buildings and "Stenstaden" isn't only good for Stockholm, but also for cities close to the capital ;)
Wasn`t it that "Stenstaden" was a term that isn`t so positive after all?
That it is more of a term used for building houses that all has the same height...
In other words NOT such a good term to use if you want to "proppa" for a more interesting building situation in Sthlm?

khaan
June 24th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Wasn`t it that "Stenstaden" was a term that isn`t so positive after all?
That it is more of a term used for building houses that all has the same height...
In other words NOT such a good term to use if you want to "proppa" for a more interesting building situation in Sthlm?

I have to agree here. "stenstaden" is not a good model for new construction in Stockholm. Of course, when we see new stuff built according to stenstaden model we get really happy since most new stuff has a much lower density than stenstaden. But in reality, what we need of course is an increase in density, as well as a more diversified skyline.

khaan
June 24th, 2008, 10:23 PM
^^Mörby centrum is Stockholms worst looking shopping mall today... but not in the future!

The hirise seriously kicks ass.
The nimbys are all over it of course:
http://www.namninsamling.se/index.php?sida=2&nid=2047

What worries me though is that this is still a very suburban proposal. In your mind, go down to street level and imagine how funny it will be to actually walk around around the new apartement buildings and outside the center.
That's right. Not much fun at all. This is a project that looks great from a distance, but pretty much suck when you come close by. (Except when looking up at the hirise of course. That will still rock)
What needs to be done is to keep the hirise (seriously, I LOVE it) but do some big rethinking on the ground level.

Yimby has commented of course:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/06/bra-och-daligt-i-forslag-_570.html

GoSatta
June 24th, 2008, 10:51 PM
wel it IS a suburb!! :) if you look at the area around it it wont become "citylike" in ages. i think the proposal is excelent for the area!

the "namninsammling" i got tired of in 30sec but i´ll try to read thru it tomorrow :)

khaan
June 24th, 2008, 11:06 PM
wel it IS a suburb!! :) if you look at the area around it it wont become "citylike" in ages. i think the proposal is excelent for the area!

the "namninsammling" i got tired of in 30sec but i´ll try to read thru it tomorrow :)

So, what you are saying is this: Once projects-suburbia, always projects-suburbia? And when something new is built, it should adapt to the erroneous planning ideas instead of trying to correct the mistakes?

This is not Yimby:s stand on the subject. From our viewpoint, the modernistic planning, leading to suburban "projects" is a gigantic planning mistake. As such, it should be avoided when areas are being rebuilt or new areas are being planned.

Note: By this we do not mean that you should not be allowed to build houses, "villas" and rowhouses, what we are talking about here is "project" style housing. Big multi-housing-blocks thrown out onto a lawn that no-one wants to use anyway.

This is a repetition of this pattern, although not in architecture. But since the main problem with the projects are with the pattern and how the areas are constructed, and not with the architecture, this will still be a problem.

Also, the outspoken goal of the project has been to create a more citlylike atmosphere, something that has failed miserably as is apparent.

Kista is a different area that is going in the right direction. Clearly a suburb both in placement and structure, the streetgrid is now being rebuilt and new houses being places in a citylike fashion. Urbanisation. It can be done, so why not do it?

safta20
June 24th, 2008, 11:08 PM
The hirise seriously kicks ass.
The nimbys are all over it of course:
http://www.namninsamling.se/index.php?sida=2&nid=2047

What worries me though is that this is still a very suburban proposal. In your mind, go down to street level and imagine how funny it will be to actually walk around around the new apartement buildings and outside the center.
That's right. Not much fun at all. This is a project that looks great from a distance, but pretty much suck when you come close by. (Except when looking up at the hirise of course. That will still rock)
What needs to be done is to keep the hirise (seriously, I LOVE it) but do some big rethinking on the ground level.

Yimby has commented of course:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/06/bra-och-daligt-i-forslag-_570.html

Yepp you are right...

GoSatta
June 24th, 2008, 11:41 PM
nope all i said is that I think that THIS Project fits good in this location. and why do you throw in Yimby in to this? i tought there where thousand of people there with diffrent views?

Yes In My Back Yard = Mörby is my old back yard, and i like the project so how can it not be YIMBY?

khaan
June 25th, 2008, 12:23 AM
nope all i said is that I think that THIS Project fits good in this location. and why do you throw in Yimby in to this? i tought there where thousand of people there with diffrent views?

Yes In My Back Yard = Mörby is my old back yard, and i like the project so how can it not be YIMBY?

Well. Yimby is both build. But also build in an urban way. Sort of a core-part of Yimby from day one. It is also interresting architecture and living mixed and integrated cities. We are fighting for the city and the right for the city to be a city. If all we wanted was suburbia, there would be no need for Yimby...

All I am saying is this: Yimby will fight for this project, but we will also fight for it to become better. Is that a bad thing? If we can manage to get those apartemenet buildings to be lifed up and get a contact with the street, and therefore create a living, instead of a dead, street, is that a bad thing?

GoSatta
June 25th, 2008, 12:36 AM
we dont have to discussion yimby here, this is a thread for projects, would be nice to keep it that way (otherwise it will become like the Abraj Al-Bait thread that always tend to become a tread about Islam) i didnt bring it up but if we want to discuss yimby can we do it in the Yimby thread?

i just gave my personal view about this project and that is all i wanted to do.

GoSatta
June 25th, 2008, 12:42 AM
its a reaaaaally long time since i did a update about this project so the old once are in the sthlmproj #2 thread. .

Update 4: Haga 4:35 Karolinska Science Park

Name : Karolinska Science Park
Owner : Akademiska Hus
Project descriptions : research buildings for Karolinska Institutet
Location : haga 4:35, haga, Solna
Starts : 2007
Finnish : 2009-08

http://www.akademiskahus.se/download.php?lDocsID=4616&strDB=aka

more info http://www.akademiskahus.se/index.php?id=487&lProjektID=170

construction pictures from 2008-05-xx and 2008-06-22

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/kcp/photos/photo8.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/kcp/photos/photo10.jpg

Swede
June 25th, 2008, 12:43 AM
Indeed, Yimby hardly ever completely disses a project (tho we have; Kistahöjden), we stand up for more development and for making increases/adjustments in the plans to increase both degree of exploitation and urbanity. I, for one, LOVE the highrise part of the plan, but the 4 suburban lowrises in the back are a under-utilization of that land. This plan or nothing? This plan :)

khaan
June 25th, 2008, 01:23 AM
Indeed, Yimby hardly ever completely disses a project (tho we have; Kistahöjden), we stand up for more development and for making increases/adjustments in the plans to increase both degree of exploitation and urbanity. I, for one, LOVE the highrise part of the plan, but the 4 suburban lowrises in the back are a under-utilization of that land. This plan or nothing? This plan :)

There we have it :)

Adamovich-STHLM
June 25th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Sorry if this link has been up before. It is a debate between Per Ankersjö, Stella Fare, Samfundet St Erik and some architect dude... Quite funny to watch, but Stella Fare and the old lady makes my hair crumble in horror. http://www.axess.se/web/main.nsf/0/b3ca9f7230c6fb48c12574200043fcfe?OpenDocument&Click=

K-J N.
June 26th, 2008, 11:50 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan01.jpg
Construction of the final apartment building in the block at Torsgatan have just started.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/kistagalleria03.jpg
Kista Galleria progress

fetg_
June 26th, 2008, 01:52 PM
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=2198&a=796661
Men det fanns en hake. Ridhuset och stallet, byggda i slutet av 1800-talet, stod under den högsta grad av byggnadsminnesskydd som finns. AIX-arkitekter ritade därför ett nytt förslag på en Musikhögskola där de gamla byggnaderna integrerades. Men i juni år 2006 underkände länsstyrelsen det tänkta bygget. Det ansågs för dominant nära likaledes byggnadsminnesmärkta Stadion som ligger på andra sidan Lidingövägen.

AW
June 26th, 2008, 02:47 PM
Only in Sweden

Sims
June 26th, 2008, 03:51 PM
I dont think this new render of the expanded Kista Galleria with new towers and new metro station has been up yet, I found it in a PDF (http://195.67.23.227/clickbase/getDocument.exe/getDoc?UsHbGjzh2y0zGA==cPCtJeSADRaZBRlhdVYGmKC3zmU=)on Kista's commercial homepage (kista.com) Looks pretty good :)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/kista-gall.jpg

Look at the tube station, looks great.. does anyone have any more info on that?

Ringil
June 26th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Wasn`t it that "Stenstaden" was a term that isn`t so positive after all?
That it is more of a term used for building houses that all has the same height...
In other words NOT such a good term to use if you want to "proppa" for a more interesting building situation in Sthlm?

I see nothing negative about that. Building tall is not necessarly the only way to make a city interesting. I believe density, parks (real ones) and interesting lowrises are just as important, especially in a city famous for it's overall low density.

I'd take this
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2335737651_64ffe15718_b.jpg

over this, anytime

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/1831558_36bbc92681_b.jpg

Swede
June 26th, 2008, 04:54 PM
^But the choice we're suggesting isn't either dense urbanness or lonely towers spread out, but rather tall buildings in a totally urban context. Think Manhattan or Tokyo.

@Sims - I've seen it in the .pdf a few months ago iirc. but it's never been posted here. Building on the subway station is an awesome idea, and hopefully it'll happen eventually. The residential towers closest to the camera (north) are pretty short and realistic in this rendering (100m? from sealevel, maybe)

In other Kista news I can report that there's a NEW crane going up at KistaTerrass, probably for phase 2.

Ringil
June 26th, 2008, 05:16 PM
I know what you're suggesting. What I replied to was Adamovich idea that only way of making a city interesting is by building scrapers everywhere. I don't agree on that and I don't think I like the idea of turning Stockholm into a new Tokyo either. I would prefer a new Paris (now that's a real city!) or a mixture of the two.

Adamovich-STHLM
June 26th, 2008, 07:01 PM
I know what you're suggesting. What I replied to was Adamovich idea that only way of making a city interesting is by building scrapers everywhere. I don't agree on that and I don't think I like the idea of turning Stockholm into a new Tokyo either. I would prefer a new Paris (now that's a real city!) or a mixture of the two.
Now wait a minute!
That was not at all what i was saying, now was it?
The term "Stenstad" is (what i have learned) when you mean building houseblocks along a street with the same height, with only minor changes in colour and design. etc... In other words, a theme that Stockholm already is full of, and have been for years.
What i reacted from, was that you had "stenstaden" as something positive(wich of course is alright) i just thaught that what we wanted was more diversity and not less. I dont know where you got that i was propping for that "the only way to make a city interesting is by building more skyscrapers"??

Swede
June 26th, 2008, 10:48 PM
and there we have the problem. "Stenstaden" means different things to different people. To me, and many more, it means urban. Not that every building is as tall as the next and the colors/styles are similar. Paris fits my idea of "stenstaden", but so does London and most other European inner cities (with buildings of different heights and styles next to eachother).

It seems we basically agree about what we want, but use some words differently and thus there appears a conflict that is pure semantics.

AW
June 28th, 2008, 01:22 PM
A couple of new ones of kungsbrohuset

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3032/2618198676_0c2130814b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/2618199322_6f300bdde5_b.jpg

safta20
June 28th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Does anyone know anything about this (http://www.equator-europe.com/asp/web/pages/display.asp?pageid=100700):

Akademiska Hus is responsible for building ECDCs (the European centre of disease prevention and control) new head office located at Campus Karolinska, an area known for their medical science. Equator Stockholm was invited to compete in this interesting expansion and to create a vision for the area. ECDC is Sweden’s only EU authority and therefore needs to be representative to Sweden and its democracy and availability to be combined with ECDCs demands of security due to its activity.

http://www.equator-europe.com/gfx/web/container_50238/June_Stockholm_1.jpg

khaan
June 29th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Swede:
My thoughts exactly. Making that back-alley a living street and opening up between the buildings. Sweet! :)

GoSatta
June 29th, 2008, 11:34 PM
i´ve heard about the ECDC for some time but haven´t seen the design before. don´t think it u/c yet tho coz i should see the crane from where i live.

sapmi
June 30th, 2008, 11:08 PM
Probably already posted. The building at Östermalms torg.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_pics/articleimage25738.jpg

AW
June 30th, 2008, 11:16 PM
That design is so depressing.. Please god make it look better irl.

khaan
June 30th, 2008, 11:33 PM
That design is so depressive.. Please god make it look better irl..

Yeah. It really is depressing. Even got it's own blogpost at yimby.se when it initially came up..
http://www.yimby.se/2008/01/peab-och-ncc-i-skamvran_419.html

Boscorelli
July 1st, 2008, 09:03 PM
A link to the winning proposal for Hallunda centrum:

http://www.rbarkitektur.se/2008/06/29/rb-arkitektur-vinner-forsta-pris-i-parallella-uppdrag-for-hallunda-centrum/

AW
July 1st, 2008, 10:49 PM
^^ "Dessutom ingick i uppdraget att förena olika funktioner som nya bostäder, ett utbyggt centrum, nya kontorsytor, en ny bussterminal samt en förbättrad trafiksituation i området."

OMG, so it is possible!? Anyways, good news for Hallunda centrum.

Silver Creations
July 1st, 2008, 11:11 PM
I found this in the link to Hallunda centrum posted by Boscorelli. Is the same architects in both projects.
Is someone here who news more about this?
http://www.rbarkitektur.se/offentligt/kungsbroskrapan/
SC

Adamovich-STHLM
July 2nd, 2008, 12:22 AM
I found this in the link to Hallunda centrum posted by Boscorelli. Is the same architects in both projects.
Is someone here who news more about this?
http://www.rbarkitektur.se/offentligt/kungsbroskrapan/
SC

Yeah i think that one is old news in here pretty much.
But on the contrary, i found this one at the same sajt, that i think hasn`t been seen in here before? http://www.rbarkitektur.se/offentligt/nacka-business-tower-kontorsfastighet-kontorshotell/

Should it be built, Nacka would start to have a begining of a (semi) real skyline with Nacka Forum right next to it...

Swede
July 2nd, 2008, 09:34 AM
Silver Creations - It has been shown here before :) Sadly it's only an architect's vision. The architect has (used to have?) her office a stone's throw away on Kungsholmen and looked at the site everyday and that's how the idea came about.

@Adamovich - That's an old one too. I think it was a serious project then, but haven't heard anything since those renderings came out and that's maybe 2? years ago.

Adamovich-STHLM
July 2nd, 2008, 11:43 PM
Doublepost

Adamovich-STHLM
July 2nd, 2008, 11:44 PM
Swede=
Thats to bad.
I was hoping for some new interesting projects for stockholm.
A while their it was booming with new cool stuff, and now when you get used to it you just want more =)

Adamovich-STHLM
July 3rd, 2008, 01:58 AM
"Årstafältets utformning avgörs av tävling.
Sju arkitektteam, svenska och utländska, har valts ut för att delta i tävlingen om utformning av Årstafältet.
57 ANBUD från elva länder hade kommit in och finalisterna ska senast den 7 november ha lämnat in förslag på hur Årstafältet kan förvandlas till en långsiktigt hållbar och levande stadsbygd med tydliga kopplingar till omkringliggande bostads- och verksamhetsområden."

(Saxat ifrån nätbilagan DN) http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=800273

Boscorelli
July 4th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Saw this about the new hotel by the Swedbank arena but the picture was so small, any one found any better ones?

http://www.fastighetsaktien.se/content/blogcategory/0/39/

khaan
July 4th, 2008, 07:23 PM
Saw this about the new hotel by the Swedbank arena but the picture was so small, any one found any better ones?

http://www.fastighetsaktien.se/content/blogcategory/0/39/

We went by the city council in Solna the other day and I took this pic there:
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/23331b2f-0e6a-4f0d-bb0a-91b7c61fdcd3.jpg

Sorry about the lousy quality, only had my cellphone with me.

fetg_
July 4th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Anybody who knows wether Vallgrossen 13 will have activities(shops etc) in bottom floors?
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____3132.aspx

Sims
July 4th, 2008, 08:08 PM
New render of the future Liljeholmstorget

http://www.citycon.com/UserFiles/citycon/Image/uutiskuvat/Liljeholmstorget_II.jpg
The shopping centre in Liljeholmen is in the midst of a growing residential area with excellent public transportation connections. The building work on the new shopping centre started in May 2007 and when it is finalised, according to schedule in October 2009, the centre will have a leasable area of 28,000 square metres for some 90 businesses. The shopping centre in Liljeholmen is Citycon's largest single development project.

khaan
July 4th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Anybody who knows wether Vallgrossen 13 will have activities(shops etc) in bottom floors?
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____3132.aspx

Seems like it. Check out "planbeskrivning", page three. Look at the picture there.

khaan
July 5th, 2008, 03:02 AM
New render of the future Liljeholmstorget

http://www.citycon.com/UserFiles/citycon/Image/uutiskuvat/Liljeholmstorget_II.jpg
The shopping centre in Liljeholmen is in the midst of a growing residential area with excellent public transportation connections. The building work on the new shopping centre started in May 2007 and when it is finalised, according to schedule in October 2009, the centre will have a leasable area of 28,000 square metres for some 90 businesses. The shopping centre in Liljeholmen is Citycon's largest single development project.

More info about Liljeholmstorget:
http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-Soderort/Liljeholmsomradet/Liljeholmstorget/

http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/100175/liljtorget_citykonflicka_21.gif

http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/100175/liljtorget_citykon_blommor_.gif

safta20
July 5th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Saw this about the new hotel by the Swedbank arena but the picture was so small, any one found any better ones?

http://www.fastighetsaktien.se/content/blogcategory/0/39/

I took a look at Baus (http://www.bau.se/)website. They have some cool idees there. Take a look at the interactive art, mobile phone computer games and adverisment that they want to put on Sturegallerians facade.

There is also some realy intresting stuff under "Tälinga & Skisser".

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