Saw this about the new hotel by the Swedbank arena but the picture was so small, any one found any better ones?

http://www.fastighetsaktien.se/content/blogcategory/0/39/

Found this bigger picture from this (http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/hotell_och_konferens.php)site:

http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/files/images/hotellkonferens02.jpg

^^ Wow, that render actually doesn't seem super swedish or boring at all!

Yeah! I suppose it's a bar at the top, quite a view and hopefully it's pointed against Stockholm? And not up north to the provinces! ;)

Here we go:

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/a3c06797-2213-4b00-8b71-8beac7a73955.jpg

Pretty nice, but to low of course. Probably should get it's own thread when specs materialise?

Yeah! I suppose it's a bar at the top, quite a view and hopefully it's pointed against Stockholm? And not up north to the provinces! ;)

Yeah. Skybar and a spa.

Even the arena looks cool. This should be a neat area in a few years. :)

The arena itself has potential, but this last rendering doesn't make any use of an idea I've seen in earlier renderings: the ability of lighting the sides in different colors (making it look like the facade changes color).

That hotel needs more height if the design is gonna work, and if they wanna be even a blip on the international radar. 90m hotel is very commonplace, and has been for many a year.


Here's a nice vid of the demolition of the Ericsson factory that was where phase 1 of Kista Terrass is now (also Ericsson! :D)
GK10xF37t-s
I found it by way of the KistaChic (http://edren.se/KistaChic/) blog.

Swedbank Arena and the Hotel looks so great. Hope to see them rise soon :)

Kista is developing so fast its unbelievable. 5 yrs ago it was so much different. But they sholud build a skyscraper cluster in Kista so that we can have a nice skyline.

Nordvästra Kungsholmen:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_juli08_460.gif

Here's some renderings of projects in Hammarby Sjöstad. I'm not too impressed but it looks ok. Balconies with different patterns seems to be da thing in Hammarby sjöstad a la 2010.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/maltaren-bostad-fran-allen.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/maltaren-kontor.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/traslojden-fran-allen.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/skanskanyahemab2.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/kv_O_Jarntorget_White.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/botryggbygg.bmp

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/JMab2.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Fredriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/Fperspektivnorrah.jpg

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Fredriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/Fperspektivlokalgata.jpg

http://www.kodarkitekter.se/img/boljan1.jpg

Here is Rosenbergs purpose for Masthamnen:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2650001423_306710257f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/2650001341_bd8744450c_o.jpg

Hammarby Sjöstad will be a really nice place to live. I cant imagine how expensive it will be in a 10 yrs from now.

It would be great to have a apartment or just rent an apartment in this building in the near future.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/JMab2.jpg

...And heres some renderings of projects in Hägersten-Liljeholmen:

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=680&h=320&w=568&ne=1

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=449&w=568&h=320

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=448&w=568&h=320

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=446&w=568&h=320

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00277/kontur494_277447b.jpg

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/stockholm/0205/06/NYHETER-06s19-liljeholmen-94_368.jpg

http://www.telefonplan.nu/Bilder/tfnplan_Tbana_STOR.jpg

http://www.fram.se/projekt/Timotejen/bilder_timotejen/timb2.jpg

http://www.fram.se/projekt/Timotejen/bilder_timotejen/tima2.jpg

http://www.sbk.stockholm.se/DP-PLAN/ArstaDal/Bilder/Sodervag.gif

http://www.sbk.stockholm.se/DP-PLAN/ArstaDal/Bilder/5_Ill_torg.jpg

Here is Rosenbergs purpose for Masthamnen:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2650001423_306710257f_o.jpg


That looks pretty cool actually!
Is it only me, or does it more and more often seem like architecture is actually starting to slowly come back as an element in planning of new structures in Stockholm? Sure, most things are still very low in scale but there is definately an improvement.

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=680&h=320&w=568&ne=1

I am missing stores on the bottom floors. Design is ok, nothing special.

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=448&w=568&h=320

I really like this infill.

http://www.ksark.se/begood/image_db.php?id=446&w=568&h=320

I like it. I think one or two more floors with a more glassy feel above could have made it better, but all in all, pretty good.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00277/kontur494_277447b.jpg

It's tall for Stockholm but looks a bit blend. I do not like the "place" to the right with that gray blank wall.

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/stockholm/0205/06/NYHETER-06s19-liljeholmen-94_368.jpg

These ones seriously kick ass. I went "WHAT?" the first time I saw those renders and I still can't believe they will actually build these in STOCKHOLM! Amazing, truly amazing. According to what I have heard initial groundwork has actually started in this area although there is still quite a long time until any actual construction will begin (lots of groundwork to handle first apparently). Of course they could had been a couple of floors taller and variation of height between the buildings but this is a very nice project indeed.

http://www.telefonplan.nu/Bilder/tfnplan_Tbana_STOR.jpg

It's a very urban design, which I like. To low to really work unfortionately. I think this one needs 3-4 floors more to really function well architecturally speaking. But all in all, a nice project.


http://www.fram.se/projekt/Timotejen/bilder_timotejen/timb2.jpg

Nice addon to this currently blend structure.

http://www.fram.se/projekt/Timotejen/bilder_timotejen/tima2.jpg

I don't really like this one. The building is ok but the placing is not. The place in front of this building needs to become more urban. To much unnecessary open space.

Here's some renderings of projects in Hammarby Sjöstad. I'm not too impressed but it looks ok. Balconies with different patterns seems to be da thing in Hammarby sjöstad a la 2010.


http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/maltaren-bostad-fran-allen.jpg
BOOOOOOORING! And what is the deal with that concrete corner looking like something from the 70:s?

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/maltaren-kontor.jpg
A bit hard to see, pretty interresting design but I cant get myself to really like it. Feels more suburban than urban in some way.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/traslojden-fran-allen.jpg
Hammarby Sjöstad going taller is of course nice.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/skanskanyahemab2.jpg
No, no and no. :bash:

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/kv_O_Jarntorget_White.jpg
WHY????

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/botryggbygg.bmp
This is a lot better.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/henriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/JMab2.jpg
This one I like to. Could have been at least twice as tall though.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Fredriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/Fperspektivnorrah.jpg
I would like some cafés and such right on the waterfront here.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Fredriksdalshamnen%20perspektiv/Fperspektivlokalgata.jpg
Best thing with this one is the hirise in the background ;) But pretty good I guess.

Looks like we can forget to see buildings with big glass facades in Stockholm in the future.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/article22350.php

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3123/illustrationsbilaga114nr5.jpg

The change of this building has now been approved!

I went by there today and construction is in full swing. The structure for two more floors is up now.

Looks like we can forget to see buildings with big glass facades in Stockholm in the future.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/article22350.php

Well. It's not actually the glass, but rather the energy consumption. Perhaps it can lead to development in building techniques.

Well. It's not actually the glass, but rather the energy consumption. Perhaps it can lead to development in building techniques.
Hopefully, but I doubt that. Glass has bad isolation capabilities and the Swedish winters are sometimes cold. We already see many buildings are built with less glass because of new energy demands. One example is Kungsbrohuset.

Hopefully, but I doubt that. Glass has bad isolation capabilities and the Swedish winters are sometimes cold. We already see many buildings are built with less glass because of new energy demands. One example is Kungsbrohuset.

Well. I like the design of Kungsbrohuset so :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3032/2618198676_0c2130814b_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/2618199322_6f300bdde5_b.jpg

But one thing you might do for example is to first build a regular insulated building and then add glass on top of that. You still get the glassy exterior but can keep the energy efficiency inside.

Some picture on the proposals for Hammarby Gård on SBKs site dated 3 of july 2008 but Sometimes I can't take the pictures out of the pdf and this is one of those occations, don't know why?

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3853.aspx#bookmarkA15

Some really good ones here, and some ok ones. Only a couple do I really don't like. I'm happy. :)

I don't know for you guys but i really like those HS projects. In few years it will be the most attractive place to live in Sthlm.

/\ I prefer the projects over at Liljeholmen.

They are great to. But HS have more project and U/C sites than Liljeholmen and I don't Liljeholmen will change a lot as HS from its present state.

Hammarby Sjöstad is a middle income area outside the downtown borders.... and so it will be in the future. Some of the buildings have patterns or special shapes on the balconies. One of the buildings is a "Uppsala konserthus" look a like. That's it. The rest is nothing but one colored boxes with a couple of balconies.... HS will not compete with Östermalm. The prices will rise though since Stockholm is growing, HS is next to water and the flats are big.

Hammarby Sjöstad is a middle income area
Middle income? Some rents are 16 000 a month!

ok lets say upper middle class!

ok lets say upper middle class!
So now we're talking about class. :lol:

I'd say it is mostly high-income earners living in Hammarby Sjöstad.

Hammarby Sjöstad is a middle income area outside the downtown borders.... and so it will be in the future. Some of the buildings have patterns or special shapes on the balconies. One of the buildings is a "Uppsala konserthus" look a like. That's it. The rest is nothing but one colored boxes with a couple of balconies.... HS will not compete with Östermalm. The prices will rise though since Stockholm is growing, HS is next to water and the flats are big.

I think I keep my apartement at "Nedre Gärdet" bordering Östermalm...
But if those Liljeholmen highrises turn out good, and they continue with making more urbanity around it, who know in 10-15 years...

^^

How long are we going to have to wait for those highrises next to the bridge at Liljeholmen really?

Havn't found any information about then on the SBK site.

^^

How long are we going to have to wait for those highrises next to the bridge at Liljeholmen really?

Havn't found any information about then on the SBK site.

A good question because in Sthlm u don't know any thing until it starts to rise.

Hope they would be built until 2011

My god! What a waste! Went past the new building soon to be finished at Dalagatan close to Vasaparken today and is it the ugliest building being built in Stockholm? It's a bloody disgrace! That's what it is! It looks like a late 1980s or early 1990s building but without a roof! At least they had roofs and usually higher corners with towers. Of course this building has got a roof but you don't see it from the street. It looks really strange. And there seems to be something wrong with the stone on the facade, it looks like it has been affected by some strange disease. A deadly one! Clearly this is Stockholms Ugliest house beeing built right know and it is not exactly hidden away, is it? :lol:
Who the hell planned it? Drew it? And who agreed to have it built? Great location but the architect should be covered in oil and feathers and forced to walk the streets of Stockholm for a couple of monthe in shame! At least!
Don't have a camera so no pictures of that bastard building! ;)

U don't even have a camera on your cell phone??

If u have I't dosen't mater if it is just an VGA camera :D

^^

I'm not interested in having a cell phone, I don't need to be reached everywhere and I don't feel the need to reach people everywhere either!

My god! What a waste! Went past the new building soon to be finished at Dalagatan close to Vasaparken today and is it the ugliest building being built in Stockholm? It's a bloody disgrace! That's what it is! It looks like a late 1980s or early 1990s building but without a roof! At least they had roofs and usually higher corners with towers. Of course this building has got a roof but you don't see it from the street. It looks really strange. And there seems to be something wrong with the stone on the facade, it looks like it has been affected by some strange disease. A deadly one! Clearly this is Stockholms Ugliest house beeing built right know and it is not exactly hidden away, is it? :lol:
Who the hell planned it? Drew it? And who agreed to have it built? Great location but the architect should be covered in oil and feathers and forced to walk the streets of Stockholm for a couple of monthe in shame! At least!
Don't have a camera so no pictures of that bastard building! ;)
I think i know wich building you mean, and i agree that its not that great of a building. But in my opinion it`s just plain and boring.
Did you see any of the other buildings being built further down in the Sabbatsberg område further down?
Havn`t seen them myself but i know stuff is going on in that area...

No I didnt go down to look at them, I just saw the one that was against Dalagatan, I hope the other ones look better!

I have some pictures from that area
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/sabbatsberg01.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/sabbatsberg02.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/sabbatsberg03.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/sabbatsberg04.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/sabbatsberg05.jpg

The huge urban plans for Dalénum in Lidingö seems to take form and the modellplans is now opened for public! They have, in my opinion, a very interesting point of view in how the architects use the waterline in to the new urban area! Good plans endeed!
Here is a picture of the holy mark!: http://www.lidingo.se/download/18.23f42f54119b905149c80004291/Dalenum_080526_illustration_A3.pdf

SC

^Is it just me, or did they make the plan LESS urban compared to the last patch of renderings?

I was by Sabban a couple of weeks ago, was really nice how they're going urban, but just like you guys I'm really doubting the architecture of the huge building fronting Dalagatan. Looks like a mediocre building from 1990ish. Plus, it takes up the whole stretch facing Dalagatan. Why not split it into to buildings on that side instead of against the backstreet?

[img][http://www.lidingo.se/download/18.23f42f54119b905149c80004291/Dalenum_080526_illustration_A3.pdf]

Syns det nått?

The huge urban plans for Dalénum in Lidingö seems to take form and the modellplans is now opened for public! They have, in my opinion, a very interesting point of view in how the architects use the waterline in to the new urban area! Good plans endeed!
Here is a picture of the holy mark!: http://www.lidingo.se/download/18.23f42f54119b905149c80004291/Dalenum_080526_illustration_A3.pdf

SC

The left part of the plan looks half decent. The right part of the plan sucks in my opinion. Regular old "houses in park".
No. I do not like it. The hirise is nice though.

[img][http://www.lidingo.se/download/18.23f42f54119b905149c80004291/Dalenum_080526_illustration_A3.pdf]

Syns det nått?

nej, tyvärr. Det går inte att infoga en pdf som en bild... det ska vara jpg png gif bmp tif

I'm not sure if this has been posted here before but it probably has, but since I can't remember it I'll give it a try! ;)

http://www.einarmattsson.se/bilder/proj/persikanskiss.jpg

It sais on the site that the planning has been delayed.

Arbetet med detaljplanen har blivit försenat pga diskussioner om att flytta SL's bussdepå till annan plats istället för överdäckning inom kvarteret. Som det ser ut nu skulle man kunna ha byggstart under 2012 . I vårt kvarter har vi utsikt mot Fåfängan och ner mot Saltsjön.

I'm not sure if this has been posted here before but it probably has, but since I can't remember it I'll give it a try! ;)

http://www.einarmattsson.se/bilder/proj/persikanskiss.jpg

It sais on the site that the planning has been delayed.

Wow. That really look horrendous.
When will our planners and architects leave the 60:s behind and step into the second millenium?

The thrid millenium, my friend, third millenium.

The plan needs to urbanize fully. every single block is open and half are barely blocks at all. That curve up top isn't urban at all, reminds me of a low-rise version of Storstugan. Bu8t developing that area into real urbanity would be a huge boon for the city.

The thrid millenium, my friend, third millenium.

The plan needs to urbanize fully. every single block is open and half are barely blocks at all. That curve up top isn't urban at all, reminds me of a low-rise version of Storstugan. Bu8t developing that area into real urbanity would be a huge boon for the city.

We need to keep an eye out for when this gets to "samråd". Needs some hard dissing that one.

And yes, THIRD millenium. I blame it on being tired ;)

Not a scraper, but yet another facelift for the eastern outskirts of Västra City

http://www.projekticity.se/upload/Projektwebb/Vasagatan%207/Vasagatan-7-Fasad.jpg

More info: http://www.projekticity.se/Templates/PageWide.aspx?id=2286

Today's facade:

http://route.hitta.se/starcus/X/images/13/050705_sth05_p7050013.jpg

It will be an nice facelift. Would like to see more of those facelifts around the city.

I was by there yesterday at the end of my once-a-summer Epic Walk in to the city (that's about 10km as a the crow flies, b*tches). The construction work is already under way. Not only will the main facade look way nicer, for me one of the high-points of that design is how open the street-front is. One plus for the owners of the build is that one of the exits from the new commuterrail station will be in it (where today it's just the Blue line, it'll be commuter trains as well).

Nice. :) More ugly buildings like these could use facelifts. They make a huge difference.

Oh wow, I just realized where this is. YES - the center of the city's ugly buildings can definitely use nice facelifts like this. There are more on Klarabersviadukten that need it!

What do you think about the new building next to Brommaplan?

http://staticblog.hi-pi.com/gisblogMnt-se-bloggspace/arksthlm/images/mn/1212346865.jpg

Architects: http://www.joliark.se/

What do you think about the new building next to Brommaplan?

http://staticblog.hi-pi.com/gisblogMnt-se-bloggspace/arksthlm/images/mn/1212346865.jpg

Rather boring...
Yimby has been on top though, we were invited by NCC :)

Haha Its just a new commieblock :)

Rather boring...
Yimby has been on top though, we were invited by NCC :)
Hehe. Agree, nothing spectacular and very alone. Do you have a pic of the view from it?

Well. It's been long overdue... But here are some pics from the Yimby-meet with NCC at Brommahöjden:

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/38aadc86-82c9-4be6-b262-a803ede7274e.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/6353abfb-99ea-4a7f-a17f-d80fc0d9a1ed.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/908b920c-4b04-4f80-a05c-7e9766a3f2c3.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/7222ee08-3862-441d-a5e2-0581da6da409.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/7544c11c-e74d-4897-b4b6-dba187d268b1.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/28ce50ca-1754-4d89-b45e-0dd8bbca99f2.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/c1fa3cc2-8259-4e44-93d2-84dd58b1e92e.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/80fa1641-ba89-41a4-a3f1-cdca747a412f.jpg

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/bf73dc85-cf75-4b33-ae0d-8e966fa61f58.jpg

And afterwards, a beer or two: :cheers:
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/99e29b2e-2b86-4220-82b6-e66961f43fdb.jpg

I don't think Gustav likes that last picture. :lol:

The view was ok, but not more. Brommaplan is pretty boring. Especially the pink building that hosts the library and the pharmacy.

Took some pics at Liljeholmskajen-Årstadal today.

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04431.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04435.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04441.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04442.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04444.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04445.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04446.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04437.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04439.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04440.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04450.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04452.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04453.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04454.jpg
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04459.jpg
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Well, one thing is for sure, the location with the water is awesome...I wouldn't say no to living there!

Well, one thing is for sure, the location with the water is awesome...I wouldn't say no to living there!
Me neither. But I hope that the area gets more lively as more residentials are completed. Today it was quiet and no people on the streets except for one restaurant near the water. I also saw another restaurant but it was empty. :)

Me neither. But I hope that the area gets more lively as more residentials are completed. Today it was quiet and no people on the streets except for one restaurant near the water. I also saw another restaurant but it was empty. :)

Well. We got 4 very nice highrises comming up in that area but yeah, it looks very desolate indeed. Three problems I would say:

1. All residential (I guess?) Add some more office construction to the area as well.

2. Isolated in the city structure, mening, the uninterupted urban area is to small to get any real flows of people. Also, Is there anything interresting enough to draw people from other parts of the city? Every part of the city should have a couple of those attractions...

3. To low exploitation level. Mening, to few people living per square metre of that part of the city. There should be more taller buildings to add more people to the area and hence, also, create a market for more stores.

Well. We got 4 very nice highrises comming up in that area but yeah, it looks very desolate indeed. Three problems I would say:

1. All residential (I guess?) Add some more office construction to the area as well.
Well, there are som office buildings in the nearby, like here:
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/jolleper/DSC04441.jpg
But they're not mixed with the residentials which isn't great...
2. Isolated in the city structure, mening, the uninterupted urban area is to small to get any real flows of people. Also, Is there anything interresting enough to draw people from other parts of the city? Every part of the city should have a couple of those attractions...
True. But it could be a nice flow if the area next to the water gets nice, the "strandpromenad" with some nice restaurants and cafés next to the water. That might attract people not living in there.
3. To low exploitation level. Mening, to few people living per square metre of that part of the city. There should be more taller buildings to add more people to the area and hence, also, create a market for more stores.
True. They should have built higher as always in Stockholm. But as you wrote, some nice highrises are coming, like Kajen 4,5 and 6.

Adding 800 kvm for Conference building an 10 more hotelrooms in Alvik, the building now have 3 floors and 325 rooms. The new area will be done on top of the existing 3 floor buildings.


http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3949.aspx#bookmarkA15

The 7 finalists for Årstafältet has been chosen:

• Archi5 (Frankrike), Michel Devigne (Frankrike), Elioth /Iosis Group (Frankrike)

• Field operations (USA), Buro Happhold Consulting Engineers (USA)

• Gehl Architects (Danmark), Behnisch Architekten (Tyskland), Schönherr (Danmark), Transsolar (Tyskland), Lia Ghilardi/Noema (Storbritannien), Pär Gustafsson (Sverige)

• Habiter Autrement (Frankrike): SKA (Schweiz), LOLA arkitektur & landskap (Sverige), Transsolar (Tyskland), Structor Mark (Sverige)

• ONIX (Nederländerna / Sverige), KCAP architects & planners (Nederländerna), Karres en Brandes landschapsarchitecten (Nederländerna)

• RADAR arkitektur och planering (Sverige), Anna Arkitektur (Sverige), ÄM formgivning (Sverige), Melica (Sverige), John Håkansson (Sverige)

• Tovatt Architects and Planners (Sverige), Via Trafik (Danmark), 3RW arkitekter (Norge), Wenanders låda (Sverige)

And here are some of what they have done earlier:

http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-Soderort/Nya-Arstafaltet/Om-tavlingen/Bilder/

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Kungsbrohuset:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5279/panorama2of8.jpg

But what is it? New Stockholm's channel? Does it have something to do with Citybanan?

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7664/dsc3933lm2.jpg

But what is it? New Stockholm's channel? Does it have something to do with Citybanan?

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7664/dsc3933lm2.jpg

Yes it does, but it was on the news the other day that the work on that location has been stoped if I understood it correctly due to a ruling by the supreme court about the need for some enviromental report or something about the water "grundvattnet" So that hole might be there for a while. Because citybanan will now be delayed and even more expensive! If they can't hurry it up of course. But no more work there before the missing report or investigation has been done!

The 7 finalists for Årstafältet has been chosen:

• Archi5 (Frankrike), Michel Devigne (Frankrike), Elioth /Iosis Group (Frankrike)

• Field operations (USA), Buro Happhold Consulting Engineers (USA)

• Gehl Architects (Danmark), Behnisch Architekten (Tyskland), Schönherr (Danmark), Transsolar (Tyskland), Lia Ghilardi/Noema (Storbritannien), Pär Gustafsson (Sverige)

• Habiter Autrement (Frankrike): SKA (Schweiz), LOLA arkitektur & landskap (Sverige), Transsolar (Tyskland), Structor Mark (Sverige)

• ONIX (Nederländerna / Sverige), KCAP architects & planners (Nederländerna), Karres en Brandes landschapsarchitecten (Nederländerna)

• RADAR arkitektur och planering (Sverige), Anna Arkitektur (Sverige), ÄM formgivning (Sverige), Melica (Sverige), John Håkansson (Sverige)

• Tovatt Architects and Planners (Sverige), Via Trafik (Danmark), 3RW arkitekter (Norge), Wenanders låda (Sverige)

And here are some of what they have done earlier:

http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-Soderort/Nya-Arstafaltet/Om-tavlingen/Bilder/

But I wanna see what their plans are for Årstafältet! What they've done earlier isn't anywhere near as important. Also, most of those areas shown: modernist anti-urban planning!


Yes it does, but it was on the news the other day that the work on that location has been stoped if I understood it correctly due to a ruling by the supreme court about the need for some enviromental report or something about the water "grundvattnet" So that hole might be there for a while. Because citybanan will now be delayed and even more expensive! If they can't hurry it up of course. But no more work there before the missing report or investigation has been done!
Yeah, that MKB was sloppily done by Banverket. If they had bothered to do it right from the start they'd have saved us all time and money. Incompetence is what caused this delay.

Boscorelli - it's very fortunate that we understand each other so-so when you talk about "grundvattnet".. how is a non-scandinavian person supposed to understand that word ? :p

But I wanna see what their plans are for Årstafältet! What they've done earlier isn't anywhere near as important. Also, most of those areas shown: modernist anti-urban planning!



I understand that but that's all they're showing and I don't really understand why they show Angereds centrum, is that something to be especially proud of?

And LetMeLoose: sorry about "grundvattnet" ;) :lol:

Boscorelli - it's very fortunate that we understand each other so-so when you talk about "grundvattnet".. how is a non-scandinavian person supposed to understand that word ? :p
Grundvatten = groundwater

Grundvatten = groundwater

since i'm danish, i figured it out myself ;)

I found some interesting pdf:s about apartment blocks in Stockholm from the years 1880-1975. I really recommend reading them (Swedish).

http://www.stadsmuseum.stockholm.se/museet.php?artikel=80&sprak=svenska

Unfortunately the pdf:s are only in Swedish, but you can go see the exhibition at Stockholm City Museum.

Read about the exhibition here:
http://www.stadsmuseum.stockholm.se/museet.php?artikel=80&sprak=english

I found some interesting pdf:s about apartment blocks in Stockholm from the years 1880-1975. I really recommend reading them (Swedish).

http://www.stadsmuseum.stockholm.se/museet.php?artikel=80&sprak=svenska

Unfortunately the pdf:s are only in Swedish, but you can go see the exhibition at Stockholm City Museum.

Read about the exhibition here:
http://www.stadsmuseum.stockholm.se/museet.php?artikel=80&sprak=english

I have been to that exposition. Pretty interresting. Unfortionately they completely loose it when they reach the 60s-70s million programme copy&paste brutalism architecture, which they mean is just as important to be careful about as individual and beautiful 19:th century architecture. Basicly: It is more important to keep things as they have always been, even if people feel bad while living in those areas.

Unfortionately they completely loose it when they reach the 60s-70s million programme copy&paste brutalism architecture, which they mean is just as important to be careful about as individual and beautiful 19:th century architecture. Basicly: It is more important to keep things as they have always been, even if people feel bad while living in those areas.
Yea, I read this for example:

"De höga skivhusen i Bredäng från 1960-talet är karaktärsbyggnader för stadsdelen och har stora stadsbildsmässiga värden.
De utgör ett storskaligt och konsekvent genomfört exempel på den modernistiska idén om hus i park som saknar motsvarighet i Sverige. Byggnaderna har ett särskilt kulturhistoriskt värde"

As you say, it's like they forget that people also live there. It's not a museum... :)

Yea, I read this for example:

"De höga skivhusen i Bredäng från 1960-talet är karaktärsbyggnader för stadsdelen och har stora stadsbildsmässiga värden.
De utgör ett storskaligt och konsekvent genomfört exempel på den modernistiska idén om hus i park som saknar motsvarighet i Sverige. Byggnaderna har ett särskilt kulturhistoriskt värde"

As you say, it's like they forget that people also live there. It's not a museum... :)

Yepp... The ones who decide about Bredängs future does probably not live there...

^^ More big screens for Sthlm!

EDIT: Btw, "might"? This is u/c as we speak afaik. And it's nice that they´re adding another floor and refreshing the facade! I also like that they´re opening up the bottom floors and making them more urban and big city..ish.

Render:
http://www.afafastigheter.se/upload/109/bau.jpg

Hey! I missed this one when it was written in January, how is it going, is it finished?

Hey! I missed this one when it was written in January, how is it going, is it finished?

No. But very much u/c.

From about a month ago:
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?url=91b7319a-279c-4dd1-a2d4-a87188634044.jpg&w=900

Nice thanks!
And the big screen is going to be on the corner where the black sculpture is now?

Nice thanks!
And the big screen is going to be on the corner where the black sculpture is now?

Yeah. I will not miss that sculpture... ;)

En person omkom och två skadades allvarligt då en del av utbuggnaden till Kista galleria rasade (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=804931)

Horrible news that :( I'm now back from visiting my bro in London and will sheck out the site tomorrow.

The expansion they were building for Kista Galleria collapsed and crushed a car that was driving under it, one person died (one of the construction workers) and two was wounded :(
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/kistagalleria04.jpg

Went past these buildings at Torsgatan today and I've never really liked them but now when some of them are near being complete as it seems they look much better when the plastic or film or whatever it is has been removed from the windows and they appear more modern, it acctually looked quite good today, to my surprise, so I think when the whole area is done it might not look that bad acctually!


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And the building above is going to be painted in a redish colour with white corner stones, and thay have painted a colour example of that on one of the corners of that building! The corner of the upper left, if someone walks by! :)

Today I had a walk in the old town and I noticed that something was going on at the house under which the subway has it's entry and just now I looked it up and no big change really, except for the restaurant. There doesn't seem to be one there now but I have seen old pictures from a time when there wasn't a lot of traffic on the outside and then there was a resturant on that location.
Can't remember if there has been one there lately? Any way not the best location in my book for a restaurant but I suppose it's better than nothing and that building has been a disgrace!

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Kungsbrohuset

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2862/kbh2of6.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2756/kbh1nr3.jpg

Kungsbron

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5501/kb3hl8.jpg

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Norra Bantorget

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3813/nbt1vi5.jpg

and kv Bocken (am I wright with the name?)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8961/dnuzr3.jpg

Yeah. I will not miss that sculpture... ;)

anyone got a photo of this sculpture?

[hehe, public art is my main interest at the moment :nuts: ]

anyone got a photo of this sculpture?

[hehe, public art is my main interest at the moment :nuts: ]

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brrrrrrrrutal!

thanks, safta! (:

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and kv Bocken (am I wright with the name?)

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Nice update thanks!
But what is happening to the house further down the street on that picture above? Just renovating the facade or rebuilding it?
It's the house on the other side og kungsgatan right?

The most exciting side of Kungsbrohuset, I think (at this point anyway), is the one that you can't really see very well; if anyone is sitting on a pendeltåg coming into the station from the north, take a look up from the left side of the train... it looks really nifty there. :) I suppose you may be able to get a better look of this side though standing to the left of the Clarion Hotel Sign or something like that; I've not tried it.

^^

I know I've seen it from the subway train crossing St:Eriks Bron!
Waiting eagerly for a picture of that side! :)

Edit: But is that house called Kungsbrohuset? Because you are talking about the house on Kungsbron which acctually is something and not the empty construction site, which I think is Kungsbrohuset?

Because you mean this house right? At least that's the house I mean when talking about the side of the house which you can see crossing St: Eriksbron:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/530/bild1800536ex0.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/1805596729_666bdab910.jpg?v=0

I kinda like it, I can take it if no one likes it, it would fit perfectly in my livingroom! :lol:

^^

I know I've seen it from the subway train crossing St:Eriks Bron!
Waiting eagerly for a picture of that side! :)

Edit: But is that house called Kungsbrohuset? Because you are talking about the house on Kungsbron which acctually is something and not the empty construction site, which I think is Kungsbrohuset?

Because you mean this house right? At least that's the house I mean when talking about the side of the house which you can see crossing St: Eriksbron:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/530/bild1800536ex0.jpg
Yep, I am talking abot that one. Apologies about the name if it is incorrect; I thought that's what Kungsbrohuset was. Guess that means I have no idea what the Kungsbrohuset project is then, heh.

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This is kungsbrohuset Dan, is on the othe side of kungsbron. But no worries! I think most understood what you ment! :)



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Lomar Arkitekter has a picture on their site of the highrise at Hornsberg, which they call Torn Hornsberg (http://www.lomar.se/projects/1/30/133/):

http://www.lomar.se/media/images/projects/070823_1___.jpg

Not much of a torn (12-13 floors), but it's definately just a concept design. Stockholm.se has the rendering on their site with the text "Framtidsvy mot Lindhagensgatan? (http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-innerstaden/Lindhagen/Delprojekt/SLs-bussgarage/)," with a question mark. And construction is set to start "earliest in 2010" so it will probably be 2013 or something.

The same architects also have their own proposal for Brovakten (http://www.lomar.se/projects/4/19/), under the category urbanism, which means it might just be their own ideas and not something they're assigned to?

http://www.lomar.se/media/images/projects/BROV_pampas_marina_h510px.jpg

http://www.lomar.se/media/images/projects/BROV_nattbild_Essingleden_720x510px.jpg

^^I like the highrise actually. Its not ABSOLUTELY spectacular but not boring...
At least its nice to see some new project proposals...

http://www.lomar.se/media/images/projects/BROV_pampas_marina_h510px.jpg



Don't think I like this one, it's a bit like Blåkulla a house block in Solna but in this case it's grönkulla! ;)

Lomar Arkitekter has a picture on their site of the highrise at Hornsberg, which they call Torn Hornsberg (http://www.lomar.se/projects/1/30/133/):

http://www.lomar.se/media/images/projects/070823_1___.jpg

Not much of a torn (12-13 floors), but it's definately just a concept design.

Look at the pic again, not 12-13 floors but ~23 floors as I count it. The city has said 100m is possible there.

Don't think I like this one, it's a bit like Blåkulla a house block in Solna but in this case it's grönkulla! ;)

Me neither. Doesn't look nice from a distance..
I like the design we have seen so far better (although it's not anything spectacular):
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6267/brovaktenjw2.jpg

Kungsbron
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5501/kb3hl8.jpg


What are that white area on that house supposed to be? On the rendering it looks just like some concrete? Any purpose with it? Doesn't look that good I think! Is it just decorative?

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/530/bild1800536ex0.jpg

To me, being hopeful, it looks like a firewall. A sign of future possibilities? :)

As I've said before Brovakten is 1) too far from the motorway and 2) too short.

^^

Aha I see! Your smart Swede!
That puts it in another light! :)

^^

Aha I see! You're smart Swede!
That puts it in another light! :)
Fixed that for ya. ;) :cheers1:

A sign of future possibilities? :)
I may be stupid, but what could that be? :)

As you see on this image, it'll be the same thing on the other end.

http://www.ncc.se/Global/Commercial_space/images/project_images/projekt_bildspel/kungsbron_5_715x490.jpg

Awww, damnit! That rendering shows it isn't a firewall, just decoration. Ah well, there are still plans for eventually (decades?) decking over all the tracks and building new city blocks on them.

^^

I acutally think it's good it's NOT a firewall! If that area is decked over, there should be a street turning in at that position, a continuation of the street going in to the bus terminal in the other direction.

Awww, damnit! That rendering shows it isn't a firewall, just decoration. Ah well, there are still plans for eventually (decades?) decking over all the tracks and building new city blocks on them.
Well, if they are gonna deck something over, they'll probably start on the other side of Kungsbron (the area between Kungsbron and Klarabergsviadukten, don't you think so?

Look at the pic again, not 12-13 floors but ~23 floors as I count it. The city has said 100m is possible there.
I thought so at first too, but if you compare the floor heights with the residential building to the left you see that two rows of glass panels (roughly) equals one normal floor. And the tower is only a bit higher than the buildings across the street. If it is supposed to be over 20 storeys it is completely out of perspective, which could be the case.

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I had a walk on Lindhagen (north-west Kungsholmen). I don't know exactly all the names of the places, so I marked them on the map.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2726/planbj0.png

1. The construction at Hornsbergs strand has started!

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1579/kh1el4.jpg

2. one of the newly built buildings

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4749/kh2ru1.jpg

3. shopping mall and offices from Peab

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/531/kh3ql3.jpg

closer view on the facing: what is it? LEGO??

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6583/kh4bc7.jpg

4. These pics looks promising :)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6472/kh5jh8.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1633/kh6ty6.jpg

5.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6203/kh8qm5.jpg

6.

Interesting composition. I hope they will continue with façade renovation.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3394/kh7ol9.jpg

7.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/125/kh9kq0.jpg

8. Snöflingan. Beginning of the hotel part.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1894/sf2id7.jpg

more information about "Project Lindhagen" can find in this pdf (http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=271787&FileName=Program.PDF&DataSource=2)

and a little bonus: Angels

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7771/angelszc7.jpg

Thanks for the update!

Yes, nice updates guys!

Awww, damnit! That rendering shows it isn't a firewall, just decoration. Ah well, there are still plans for eventually (decades?) decking over all the tracks and building new city blocks on them.

How is that decorative at all (in their minds)? The colorful black side seems much nicer to show... that white thing seems totally random!

How is that decorative at all (in their minds)? The colorful black side seems much nicer to show... that white thing seems totally random!
Maybe it is like that because of security reasons. Clarion Sign Hotel has for example almost no windows on the side against the embankment because of the risk of explosion.

Maybe it is like that because of security reasons. Clarion Sign Hotel has for example almost no windows on the side against the embankment because of the risk of explosion.

there is something in it. But the other new constructed buildings at Norra Bantorget (the gray ugly ones) have windows. So probably, there are no such requirements. Clarion hotel have no windows because a high standard hotel can't offer a room with a railway view (and noise protection might be reason too).

No doubt, railways will be decked over in future. In Kongsbron's case the blind wall, most probably, is made so that another building could be attached later. Just like they did in old times, and some of old buildings are still staying this way.

PS Congratulations on my 1000th post are welcome :colgate:

Clarion hotel have no windows because a high standard hotel can't offer a room with a railway view (and noise protection might be reason too).
Well, I've read different reasons. :nuts:

Because of the noise: http://cws.huginonline.com/C/189/PR/200801/1187013_2_1.html
För att kunna ge maximal ljudisolering är byggnaden helt stängd mot järnvägen, det vill säga här finns inga fönster utan enbart granit.

Because security reasons:
http://www.expressen.se/resor/1.1028010/nytt-hotell-hoppas-ge-bestaende-intryckDet har snackats väldigt mycket om den svarta fasad som kommer dominera hotellets baksida. Av säkerhetsskäl får det inte finnas några fönster mot SJ:s bangård på grund av explosionsrisken.

there is something in it. But the other new constructed buildings at Norra Bantorget (the gray ugly ones) have windows. So probably, there are no such requirements. Clarion hotel have no windows because a high standard hotel can't offer a room with a railway view (and noise protection might be reason too).

No doubt, railways will be decked over in future. In Kongsbron's case the blind wall, most probably, is made so that another building could be attached later. Just like they did in old times, and some of old buildings are still staying this way.

PS Congratulations on my 1000th post are welcome :colgate:

The gray buildings are offices. Clarion is a hotel. I believe the regulations are different.

Inspirit: Thx for the excellent update!

Deleted this message, the picture was too huge to be fun :) and after I had changed the size of it you couldn't see what I wanted to show! Sorry! ;)

^^

Zoom in on the detail?

I really love this pic. It looks so urban and dense! :okay:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/125/kh9kq0.jpg

This is something I've never seen before, it was Olle Baertlings suggestion
"Asamk" for Sergels torg 1961. I really like it and it could have become a real trademark for Stockholm in all it's simplicity! Or do you think the present statue is better?

http://hoglander.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/baertling_6.jpg

Or do you think the present statue is better
Are you kidding? :lol:

Yes the present statue is alot better and I like it anyways! :P

http://hoglander.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/baertling_6.jpg

LOL, I'm speechless! That is...... wow, what is that? I thought it was like a study of some sort, put together in MSpaint by some first time user. :)

Muthai: Agreed!

lol! I thought so too!

I thought it was like a study of some sort, put together in MSpaint by some first time user. :)
Well, it is a montage by Albin Dahlström at Moderna Museet. Maybe it would have looked different in reality or in a model, but the scale is supposed to be correct so I doubt that. What was he thinking? That statue is huuuuge! :)

I think it's fantastic! You guys just don't understand true art! !!! :lol: ;)


Edit: Sapmi I really like the hight, people are so afraid of height when it comes to statues or any kind of arty stuff. The present object at that place is good too but I like this one aswell, sorry! ;)

I always thought we should have a "statue of liberty" of some kind in Stockholm, a really large statue somewhere entering Stockholm from the sea.
Perhaps a giant St: Göran and the Dragon or why not a giant Carola where people could take the elevator up to her head and have brunch! ;)
Why not at fåfängan? I know! I know! :nuts: :lol:

Just thought I should let you guys know that we are having a discussion (in swedish) about how Solna and Stockholm should be brought together into an integrated cityscape. Feel free to join the discussion if you wish (you have to be logged in to see the thread, if not the link below will redirect you to the main forum page..).
The idea is to present the result into some kind of vision to be presented on the yimby-site and also sent to Stockholm and Solna city council.

http://www.yimby.se/forum/thread.aspx?id=36

And btw. That sculture-proposal for Sergels Torg? No. Not liking it...

ABC regional news today about Stockholm planning for skyscrapers!

http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33538&a=1200238&lid=puff_1200238&lpos=rubrik

ABC regional news today about Stockholm planning for skyscrapers!

http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33538&a=1200238&lid=puff_1200238&lpos=rubrik
Big plans, but how much reality?

Didn't knew they have plans to give DN-skrapan some company. That would be awesome! :banana:

^^ I bet you 100000^235 kr that neither one of those "34 scrapers" are a skyscraper by international standards. But hey, 34 more highrises ain't that bad!

^^ I bet you 100000^235 kr that neither one of those "34 scrapers" are a skyscraper by international standards. But hey, 34 more highrises ain't that bad!
Hehe, the Swedish word "skyskrapa" has not much to do with the word "skyscraper".

This is something I've never seen before, it was Olle Baertlings suggestion
"Asamk" for Sergels torg 1961. I really like it and it could have become a real trademark for Stockholm in all it's simplicity! Or do you think the present statue is better?

[IMG]http://hoglander.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/baertling_6.jpg[/IMG
]


lol, at first I thought the fountain itself was the "landmark", thinking the lines were something you drew in paint to point at it. I didn't realize it was the sculpture before reading the other comments.

lol, at first I thought the fountain itself was the "landmark", thinking the lines were something you drew in paint to point at it. I didn't realize it was the sculpture before reading the other comments.


Ah! you guys clearly lack taste! But you know all can't be brilliant like me! ;)

^^Well actually, i kind of like it. A pretty radical and cocky sculpture i think.

^^ I bet you 100000^235 kr that neither one of those "34 scrapers" are a skyscraper by international standards. But hey, 34 more highrises ain't that bad!

Bingo!

Say skyscraper here and people shiver as if they'd heard the name of some lethal disease.

Just thought I should let you guys know that we are having a discussion (in swedish) about how Solna and Stockholm should be brought together into an integrated cityscape. Feel free to join the discussion if you wish (you have to be logged in to see the thread, if not the link below will redirect you to the main forum page..).
The idea is to present the result into some kind of vision to be presented on the yimby-site and also sent to Stockholm and Solna city council.

http://www.yimby.se/forum/thread.aspx?id=36

And btw. That sculture-proposal for Sergels Torg? No. Not liking it...

Yep! The more the merrier! :cheers:

Don't you think it's time to put these on the Highrises section? Does anyone have time to do some research to gather full facts about heights and so on...and start new threads in the highrises section.

http://www.arkitekt.se/s35176/b13584?ts=1216930484
http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/files/images/hotellkonferens02.jpg

... and this one

http://www.rbarkitektur.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hallunda.jpg

Really interesting pictures on this site under "statsbyggnad" you'll for instance find "klara strand" and "Danvikstorg". I couldn't take any pictures from this site, hopefully someone else can? Unfortunately the pictures are quite small!

http://www.aix.se/aix/default.asp

safta, witch is the last one? havnt seen it before I think.

^^It's the winning proposal for the new Hallunda Centrum made by RB Arkitekter (http://www.rbarkitektur.se/)

Really interesting pictures on this site under "statsbyggnad" you'll for instance find "klara strand" and "Danvikstorg". I couldn't take any pictures from this site, hopefully someone else can? Unfortunately the pictures are quite small!

http://www.aix.se/aix/default.asp

Wow! havent seen the "Danvikstorg" stuff before, Thats a big change for that area and i like the tunnel...

That Danvikstorg train station looks amazing!

but i dont think anything is approved there, the KS plans looks nothing like the real once (and my house they built over :) )

Here's a new pic and a article on the office highrise in Kungsholmen which i found earlier on NCC's homepage...

NCC planerar vindkraft under hustak


Byggföretaget NCC planerar att bygga både vindkraftsnurror och solceller högst upp på nya kontorshus som ska byggas i stadsdelen Kristineberg i Stockholm.

– Vill vi se om vindkraft på ett hus med en viss höjd kan generera tillräckligt för att det både ska bli lönsamt och bra för miljön, säger NCCs affärsområdeschef Per Wågström till tidningen Byggindustrin.

De vindkraftverk man vill bygga på taken är inte traditionella vindsnurror utan snarare vindturbiner, rör med inmonterade rotorer.

NCC har tidigare utvecklat en digital modell av ett koncepthus som inte behöver anslutas till elnätet utan är självförsörjande på el. De nya kontorshusen i Kristineberg är ett förverkligande av sådana idéer, att i första steget spara energi och minska koldioxidutsläppen och på sikt generera sin egen elektricitet.

http://www.nyteknik.se/multimedia/archive/00029/Kristineberg_29120a.jpg

Source, Nyteknik: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/bygg/byggartiklar/article374410.ece

^^

Nice update! It's the first time I see a big picture of that building, thanks!

But where exactly is it located in Kristineberg?

Thanks, from what it looks like it'll be built right by essingeleden almost where the two other highrise buildings (Brovakten) will be built! Looks like we're getting a small skyline! :)

That Danvikstorg train station looks amazing!
I love it!

That Danvikstorg train station looks amazing!

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/Muthai/Danvik.jpg

It looks a little like the new trainstation that Norrköping will build for HSR Ostlänken.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/Muthai/Butngen.jpg

It looks a little like the new trainstation that Norrköping will build for HSR Ostlänken.

Sweet!

Yeah!
Its these kind of solutions that feels "Big-city-urban" in that nice kind of way... At least it looks that way in the renderings.

That Danvikstorg train station looks amazing!

Yep, it looks like many of the tube stations in Santiago de Chile.

Why is nobody talking about Sabbatsberg?

Is there any urban project that have recently started to be constructed or have been approved(laga kraft)?

^^

For me Sabbatsberg is really boring, but someone else might like it.
I think someone here once wrote that it at least feels urban but the architecture is just bland in my opinion.

Sabbatsberg (from 19:th of may so it's a bit old):
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/9cf20f73-e2aa-4979-8916-d0205a1cd81b.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/e004310f-e529-47f7-802a-b9d20de04f06.jpg

^^

For me Sabbatsberg is really boring, but someone else might like it.
I think someone here once wrote that it at least feels urban but the architecture is just bland in my opinion.
The architecture is ok but it's not that important. The urban elements are! To new cross streets have been established. The buildings is directly linked with the street and have some activities in bottom floors. It could have been higher, tough. The area gets 7 of 10 from me, thanks to the the urbanity.

This is positive news:

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/jarnvag/article390092.ece

Nu handlar det om en spårväg som västerut sträcker sig förbi centralstationen över till stadsdelen Kungsholmen, upp mot Fridhemsplan och sedan vidare till Lindhagen vid Hornsbergs strand.

Österut är spårvägen tänkt att fortsätta utmed Strandvägen förbi Djurgårdsbron, vidare förbi Radiohuset ut över Gärdet, via Frihamnen/Värtahamnen till Ropsten i Hjorthagen.

Målet är att trafiken ska komma igång andra halvåret 2011. :banana:

http://www.sl.se/Templates/Article.aspx?id=13105

http://www.sl.se/upload/nyheter/jpg/2008/koncession.jpg

Awesome news. Sad that they have to start over with the bids, but as long as construction is well under way by the next election I'll be happy.

The Tram-plan Yimby did for the Hjorthagen-statement (yttrande) is pretty similar but expands further into the actual new areas up in Hjorthagen:

http://yimby.se/material/hjorthagen/mkb/tram2.png

Now that they are really planning to expand the tram up to Hjorthagen, they should REALLY start to look on upgrading the Lidingö tram network, as well as letting the Lidingö trains go down to Norrmalmstorg.

Does anyone know what happened to the house(s) that was supposed to be built at hornstull (hornsplan?) close to Liljeholmsbron?
Can't find any information about it any longer at SSK, is it already buil or has it been dropped?

Update: This is the building I'm talking about.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3323/hornplanfp7.png

Another picture from Kungsholmen:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5034/64455574rl8.png

http://www.kistaone.se/pics/kistaone_big.jpg
Looks like the big office building in Kista that Ericsson used to have is getting some renovation.

^Where'd you find that pic?
IMO the big one just looks silly.

^Where'd you find that pic?
First saw the picture it in a full page add in the newpaper the other day about the offices. The site for it is http://www.kistaone.se

First saw the picture it in a full page add in the newpaper the other day about the offices. The site for it is http://www.kistaone.se

Found this picture that at least i have never seen before on the same site. It's Wingårdhs proposal for the new hotel. Is it just me or is the top of the building a bit curved?
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/96464/hotell_wingard_213.gif

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/Muthai/Danvik.jpg

It looks a little like the new trainstation that Norrköping will build for HSR Ostlänken.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/Muthai/Butngen.jpg

Cool!

Found this picture that at least i have never seen before on the same site. It's Wingårdhs proposal for the new hotel. Is it just me or is the top of the building a bit curved?
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/96464/hotell_wingard_213.gif

It's probably just the wind! ;)

http://www.kistaone.se/pics/kistaone_big.jpg
Looks like the big office building in Kista that Ericsson used to have is getting some renovation.

Have they added an extra floor to that building or is the top-floor just lit?

That's the existing top floor getting a new facade (which I like!) + the big ass ONE

Well, it'll stand out anyway, that's for sure!

The change is for the better, I agree.

This building got the go ahead as part of the project Mattiasborgen in may this year, don't think it's been up that it got the go ahead, I'm sorry if it has!

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2726/annedalmattisborgennccql1.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____2771.aspx#bookmarkC16

And anyone know anything about this project? All that is written about it is that more information will fallow in the autumn. A Museum in Vasaparken?
Never heard of that and the architects are Wingårdh.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5642/showuq6.jpg

When I think about it is it even in Stockholm? I suppose there are more Vasaparken out there then the one in Stockholm.

http://www.folkhem.se/

^^Yes the museum is in Stockholms Vasaparken. And acording to Svd it`s a museum mixed with rental apartments!! pretty cool mixture:)

Source= http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:3VYe-g_g7-AJ:www.svd.se/dynamiskt/kultur/did_17285207.asp+museum+vasaparken&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=1&lr=lang_en|lang_sv&client=safari

^^

That's nice! Thanks for the link! And there will be people living in the Museum building! :lol: Quite cool! A lot of jokes to be made about that in the future I suppose!

Big day for Stockholm tomorrow by the way 08/08/08! Scary! ;)

^^ Yes, and it's the premiere of my movie! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_1o4apmI-0

^^ Yes, and it's the premiere of my movie! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_1o4apmI-0

It's very cool Andree. I like it very much and have showed it to many friends...

So this is where it might end up then! I wonder if there will be new protests or not?

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3972/kallbad680jq4.jpg

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=813035

So this is where it might end up then! I wonder if there will be new protests or not?

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3972/kallbad680jq4.jpg

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=813035

"In order to appease public opinion, they have halved the building's diameter to 60 metres and the height to one and a half storey"

Well. How Stockholm is that on a scale from 1 to 10... :wallbash:

Still, just loving that they won't give up! In a way I think this location is better, not least because it will be a nice new attraction in a new part of the city. Just having apartements makes no city...

^^ I agree, it will offer something different to that area which is almost only made up of residential buildings. It's actually a really good location when I think about it, it's not like anyone lives there today who can complain?

Well, we got some people living in Kristineberg and Johannelund that could possibly oppose it. But then again, they got the whole Nordvästra Kungsholmen project comming up anyway so this is really nothing in comparison to that.
I don't think there will be even near as much possibilities to stir up the kind of opposition that the old placement had.

Here's a visionary picture of Hornstull I haven't seen before. I like it!

Link (http://www.hornstorg.se/Projektet_just_nu.aspx)

http://www.hornstorg.se/webroot/images/hornstorg_natt1.jpg

^^ Nice!

Safta20: Thanks!

Found this more detailed image of the building in this page http://www.hornstorg.se/webroot/sodermalmsnytt_2008_03_15.pdf
Just scroll one page down and you will see it (I don`t know how to show the picture here in the post)

Sweet! I love that building, too bad it isn't a little taller...

I have seen the pics before (sorry for not posting...) and yes, I do love that new building. Of course, taller would be nicer, but with they way things are in this city you are happy to get any kind of interresting structure approved I suppose...

Tomorrow Thursday at 15.00, there's a city walk with Mikael Söderlund in Stockholm city. He will show the new projects and what's up for the future. Get a ticket at Kulturhuset.

Here's a visionary picture of Hornstull I haven't seen before. I like it!

Link (http://www.hornstorg.se/Projektet_just_nu.aspx)

http://www.hornstorg.se/webroot/images/hornstorg_natt1.jpg



Looks really great! Sthlm needs something modern like that. Yes!

There will be a galleria at Odenplan after all.

http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33538&a=1217475&lid=puff_1217475&lpos=rubrik

Did anyone talk a walk with Söderlund today?
It was cancelled. Don't know why...

There will be a galleria at Odenplan after all.

http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33538&a=1217475&lid=puff_1217475&lpos=rubrik

^^Great!

Did anyone talk a walk with Söderlund today?

Here's a bigger picture from a PDF on the same site. I like it!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2764571569_24f1ca844a_o.jpg

i think its ugly!!! but i hope they build it anyway :)

I like it too, although I doubt they will actually use that design. But they should leave the big square shaped part of the facade windowless so they can keep the classic billboard!!

The Stockholmers will of course complain so much that the investor will have to reduce it to a box. But let us dream:) It reminds me of a rauk:

http://user.tninet.se/~yup778o/padjelanta2003/rauk_medium.jpg

Odenplan Galleria:

http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/81/63/07/oden448.jpg

The Nimbys are happy. I wonder why... Maybe because the galleria is below the ground? :D

Dig down Essingeleden in a tunnel demands politicians at Kungsholmen!

Politikerna på Kungsholmen står enade. Essingeleden måste grävas ned. I morgon går representanter för samtliga partier till samlad aktion och tar ett symboliskt spadtag för en ny vägtunnel.

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=817397

^Woah! That's an idea I've heard before, and while I've thought it is a good idea the costs and how construction would be a HUGE hassle I've always thought of it as a fringe-idea. Still do, kinda, but It's great that it's on the table now :D

Also... Regina Kevius! She's a Yimby! met her once, when we did an interview about Odenplansgallerian last fall for one of the newspapers.

http://www.insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/insyn.aspx?page=agenda&nodeid=260668

Check out #16: "16. Förverkligandet av Västra City med skyskrapor och central parkinspirerad stadsmiljö längs Klara sjö. Svar på remiss (I+Sbk) Norrmalm"

^^ Does anyone got any pics on that project?

Another picture from snöflingan which I think hasn't been on this site before?
Sorry if it has?

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7870/1snoflinganas0.jpg

This must be from Drottningholmsvägen right?

^^ Uuuh. It's impossible to say where in the whole world that buildings are from. And the building look the same from all angles. :lol:

n00bs! ;) :cheers1:

It is not from Drottningholmsvägen, but rather from Rålambshovsleden looking south-eastwards. See that huge open space between the building and the road? yeah, dead space.

^^

:lol: All right then! Master! ;)

Dig down Essingeleden in a tunnel demands politicians at Kungsholmen!



http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=817397


"vägverket" answers the politicians:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=817531

"vägverket" answers the politicians:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=817531
"- Det är inte ens säkert att det är praktiskt möjligt att gräva ned Essingeleden"

Ok... I think that is complete bullshit. :ohno:

The problem with Vägverket is that they spend too much on Skåne and Västra Götaland and too little in Stockholm, where the traffic situation is bad and getting worser everyday.

The problem with Vägverket is that they spend too much on Skåne and Västra Götaland and too little in Stockholm, where the traffic situation is bad and getting worser everyday.
Tsss. That is not true.

Tsss. That is not true.
What is not true?

There are plans for a bridge between Nacka and Kvarnholmen. What really makes me happy is the words Broförbindelsen måste vara förenlig med riksintressena.Brons gestalting skall därför ägnas stor omsorg.
This makes me happy because there arn't too many bridges in Stockholm where one feels that they have taken great care about how the bridge acctually looks. Fingers crossed!

http://www.nacka.se/default/PlatsID.1997/vis.1/url.http:/infobanken.nacka.se/www/bo_bygga/planer/pagaende_planer/listor/projektlista.htm

I really liked the bridge they once ment to build in Hammarby Sjöstad but which the politicians didn't like if I remember it right. Lets hope this bridge won't go the same way.

Updates of NV. Kungsholmen. taken today 20/08/08

i have no idea what the houses or projects are called though. these are on of the three highrises they are constructing.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00312.jpg

pit under gpong prep i presume next to the three highrises.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00315.jpg

better view, i am not sure if one is finished or if they only have started on two of them yet.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00316.jpg

new office blcok going up one block away
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00317.jpg

demolition site on lindhagesgatan
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00319.jpg

the stretching towards essingelden has begun on the mall.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00320.jpg

demolition is going on quite fast at the end of lindhagensgatan
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00321.jpg

bonuses.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00318.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00314.jpg

the stretching towards essingelden has begun on the mall.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00320.jpg


The material on this one looks so strange, I really wonder if it will look good when finished? Hope so!

"- Det är inte ens säkert att det är praktiskt möjligt att gräva ned Essingeleden"

Ok... I think that is complete bullshit. :ohno:
If there were to actually do this, the price would be astronomical, given the number of lanes it would need. And surely within a few years capacity would be reached. It's hard enough to build other new, important projects... if the infrastructure is already there and is ok, I think it's better to leave it -- and then get passing traffic away from it by creating Förbifart Stockholm. That is by far the much better solution to the main problems.

Great update! :)

@wk - great update indeed :)

@Dan - yeah, burying Essingeleden would be VERY expensive and while I like the idea of getting rid of it, the money can be better spent elsewhere for now. Building Förbifarten tho... won't help traffic on Essingeleden and will just lead to more cars and more lanes of trafficjams & let's not forget the reason it was thought up in the first place: to enable suburbs even further from the city.

The problem with Vägverket is that they spend too much on Skåne and Västra Götaland and too little in Stockholm, where the traffic situation is bad and getting worser everyday.

What a load of bullshit. The people down in Skåne say exactly the same thing btw (VV spends too much in Stockholm and not enough in Skåne).
Stockholm isn't the only place where the traffic situation is "getting worser". It's the same in GBG and Malmö.

^Yeah, that's what everyone says all over the country. IMO all it adds up to is that our infrastructure is lacking investment. Which makes me point out that that is a debate for the Infrastructure thread :)

What a load of bullshit. The people down in Skåne say exactly the same thing btw (VV spends too much in Stockholm and not enough in Skåne).
Stockholm isn't the only place where the traffic situation is "getting worser". It's the same in GBG and Malmö.
Just because people say the same in Skåne or Norrbotten does not make it equally false. It is my opinion and I will keep it until I've been proven wrong.

I believe that the major difference is that Stockholms stad and län of some reason have not as much luck(or do not as much) in lobbying for their own interests as their counterparts in other parts of the country.

I remember when i drove my car in Malmö! After i did that, i loved Stockholm trafic!

@wk - great update indeed :)

@Dan - yeah, burying Essingeleden would be VERY expensive and while I like the idea of getting rid of it, the money can be better spent elsewhere for now. Building Förbifarten tho... won't help traffic on Essingeleden and will just lead to more cars and more lanes of trafficjams & let's not forget the reason it was thought up in the first place: to enable suburbs even further from the city.
Building new roads doesn't mean people will suddenly decide to start driving. Its main purpose is to allow truck and other traffic to bypass Stockholm, which would indeed alleviate Essingeleden. Förbifart is quite far from central Stockholm; with the E4 going right through the city, there is no reason why anyone would take this road to go to Stockholm. They'd just add time and distance to their commute. For people in the suburbs in the north and south, the E4 is the fastest, and for people living west of the city, taking Förbifart would connect them quite south (Kungens Kurva) or quite north (Häggvik) of the city, thus making it faster for them to just take smaller roads into the city lie normal.

I live north of the city for example and if I were to go to Stockholm, I would take the normal motorway. If I were to go on a trip to Skåne or elsewhere though, then it'd make sense taking this road to avoid the city. Most truck traffic will think this way too.

The problem with that is that the truck traffic is actually pretty light unless you include the ones heading to/from areas inside Förbifarten. The ammount of by-passing traffic is in reality fairly light and YES the result will be MORE traffic. This is the experience from all over the world. If you build more freeways more people will take the car. It really is that simple. It'll spur development of car-oriented suburbia along its route and beyond its ends. That's the experience from everywhere, and was the stated purpose of the plan when first proposed (decades ago). Österleden is a far better new connection IMO when it comes to roads.

Sickla ny slutstation för Saltsjöbanan

Nu har tjänstemännen i SL satt ner foten. I framtiden ska Saltsjöbanan inte gå in till Slussen utan bara knyta an till Tvärbanan vid Lugnet. Ingen dum lösning, tycker s i landstinget.

En behövlig upprustning av Saltsjöbanan har diskuterats i många år, och fick extra skjuts av planerna på nya bostäder i Lugnet, mellan Henriksdal och Hammarby sjöstad.

I våras presenterade SL fyra olika förslag. I ett av dem, alternativ 0, går Saltsjöbanan på en ny högbro ända in till Slussen. Enligt alternativ 4 slutar banan vid Tvärbanan, och resenärer till City och Slussen får ta t-bana från Gullmarsplan eller direktbussar från Sickla.

På SL:s styrelsemöte på tisdag föreslår vd och tekniska direktören att man ska satsa på alternativ 4.

Restiderna blir desamma för de flesta resenärerna, bara de som har Slussen som mål får lite längre restid. I rusningstid är den gruppen inte mer än 3 procent.

Tiden då Saltsjöbanan måste vara stängd för ombyggnad blir kortare, 1,5–2 år mot 3 år i 0-alternativet.

Och framför allt: det blir mycket billigare. Investeringskostnaden nästan halveras, 2,8 miljarder kronor i stället för 4,7 miljarder kronor. Driftskostnaderna blir också lite lägre.

I båda alternativen ska den nya banan vara klar 2013.

Oppositionslandstingsrådet Lars Dahlberg (s) tror personligen att det skulle kunna vara en bra lösning, men det är viktigt att de berörda kommunerna också tycker det efter att ha diskuterat saken grundligt. Beslutet måste tas i bred enighet.

–Den bild jag har fått är att det inte har förts någon vettig dialog med kommunerna ännu. Det blir väldigt olyckligt för SL om det förs fram en lösning som det blir en massa tjafs om, säger Dahlberg.

Om han känner att kommunerna inte är riktigt med på noterna kommer han på tisdag förorda bordläggning.

Trafiklandstingsrådet Christer G Wennerholm hade vid denna upplagas pressläggning inte kunnat nås för en kommentar.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00358/saltsj_bananC_358101b.jpg

Source, Svd: http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_1598411.svd

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Sickla ny slutstation för Saltsjöbanan

Nu har tjänstemännen i SL satt ner foten. I framtiden ska Saltsjöbanan inte gå in till Slussen utan bara knyta an till Tvärbanan vid Lugnet. Ingen dum lösning, tycker s i landstinget.

En behövlig upprustning av Saltsjöbanan har diskuterats i många år, och fick extra skjuts av planerna på nya bostäder i Lugnet, mellan Henriksdal och Hammarby sjöstad.

I våras presenterade SL fyra olika förslag. I ett av dem, alternativ 0, går Saltsjöbanan på en ny högbro ända in till Slussen. Enligt alternativ 4 slutar banan vid Tvärbanan, och resenärer till City och Slussen får ta t-bana från Gullmarsplan eller direktbussar från Sickla.

På SL:s styrelsemöte på tisdag föreslår vd och tekniska direktören att man ska satsa på alternativ 4.

Restiderna blir desamma för de flesta resenärerna, bara de som har Slussen som mål får lite längre restid. I rusningstid är den gruppen inte mer än 3 procent.

Tiden då Saltsjöbanan måste vara stängd för ombyggnad blir kortare, 1,5–2 år mot 3 år i 0-alternativet.

Och framför allt: det blir mycket billigare. Investeringskostnaden nästan halveras, 2,8 miljarder kronor i stället för 4,7 miljarder kronor. Driftskostnaderna blir också lite lägre.

I båda alternativen ska den nya banan vara klar 2013.

Oppositionslandstingsrådet Lars Dahlberg (s) tror personligen att det skulle kunna vara en bra lösning, men det är viktigt att de berörda kommunerna också tycker det efter att ha diskuterat saken grundligt. Beslutet måste tas i bred enighet.

–Den bild jag har fått är att det inte har förts någon vettig dialog med kommunerna ännu. Det blir väldigt olyckligt för SL om det förs fram en lösning som det blir en massa tjafs om, säger Dahlberg.

Om han känner att kommunerna inte är riktigt med på noterna kommer han på tisdag förorda bordläggning.

Trafiklandstingsrådet Christer G Wennerholm hade vid denna upplagas pressläggning inte kunnat nås för en kommentar.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00358/saltsj_bananC_358101b.jpg

Source, Svd: http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_1598411.svd

SL is becoming :banana: ...

No further comments.... :sleepy:

Aww, jeez. That new connection to Slussen IS needed. IMO it HAS to be built. And then build the blue line subway to Nacka with one station connecting to Saltsjöbanan. Then extend Tvärbanan to Ropsten under Saltsjön and on Djurgårn. Only then would the transit options be worthy of a big city.

EDIT: to clarify, when I say the new connection I mean the new two-track tunnel and station that is (was) planned.

Aww, jeez. That new connection to Slussen IS needed. IMO it HAS to be built.
According to the article IT IS NOT needed.
Restiderna blir desamma för de flesta resenärerna, bara de som har Slussen som mål får lite längre restid. I rusningstid är den gruppen inte mer än 3 procent.

If that's the case, I don't see how it makes sense to spend 2 billion more.

Btw, why will Saltjsöbanan have its end station in Sickla and not Alvik? In the future, it would be cool if it was possible to take the train to Fisksätra from Sundbyberg.

I seriously doubt that number. Those heading to the southern 'burbs and southern parts of Söder might bet there faster this way (but they'd be able to use that connection even with the tunnel), but all those heading to the Inner City apart from southern Söder... how would they not lose time from this?

The main reason to why they dont need to extend to slussen is that in the future the blue line would be connected to sickla, so there won't be any need for two mass transit lines covering the same area...

Eh... The blue line extension is far far far from certain and even if built it's decades away. sadly. Also, they won't cover the same areas anyway; The Blue line will head out towards Gustavsberg, not Saltsjöbaden!

Eh... The blue line extension is far far far from certain and even if built it's decades away. sadly. Also, they won't cover the same areas anyway; The Blue line will head out towards Gustavsberg, not Saltsjöbaden!

Yes, i'm aware of that... Buses could cover sickla - slussen or people from saltis could go to gullmarsplan to change to the subway there meanwhile waiting for the subway to get completed... If i'm correct Saltsjöbanan will be connected with tvärbanan at Sickla.. Right? What i mean't about covering the same areas, i mean Sickla - Henriksdal - Slussen...

I rusningstid är den gruppen inte mer än 3 procent.[/I]

Thats's complete bullshit! I ride Saltsjöbanan everyday and what i've expirenced in the past 5 years is that almost all passagers from Saltis and onwards have Slussen as there final destination to make their way to the subway...

Thats's complete bullshit! I ride Saltsjöbanan everyday and what i've expirenced in the past 5 years is that almost all passagers from Saltis and onwards have Slussen as there final destination to make their way to the subway...
ehm.. I think they meant people who has there end destination for the whole journey in Slussen, not with those changing to subways or buses.

It could have been worse. But we still got the Solna extension left. Cheer up! :cheers:

ehm.. I think they meant people who has there end destination for the whole journey in Slussen, not with those changing to subways or buses.

It could have been worse. But we still got the Solna extension left. Cheer up! :cheers:

Okay, that's seems a lot more resonable.. sry for the harsh use of words, it wasn't directed to you fetg it was directed to the author of the article. :)

Thing is, how meaningful is it to state how many that have slussen as their FINAL destination? Slussen is a transit station to a big degree som the thing to look at really is how travellers total transit time would be affected by a change to Gullmarsplan as end station rather than Slussen. I think that would make the whole issue look a lot worse...

^^Yeah, but there will be direct buses to Slussen in wait for the subway to come to Sickla, so the only problem is changing from train to bus, maybe losing 2-3 minutes in total, which is not that much for saving loads of money... But I would prefer Saltsjöbanan/Tvärbanan going all the way to Slussen anyhow...

Thing is, how meaningful is it to state how many that have slussen as their FINAL destination? Slussen is a transit station to a big degree som the thing to look at really is how travellers total transit time would be affected by a change to Gullmarsplan as end station rather than Slussen. I think that would make the whole issue look a lot worse...

I don't think the transit time is the main issue. The main issue is that, once again, the powers that be opt for a half-baked semi-solution instead of doing it right the first time. Same reason why I frankly don't see the blue line extension or Österleden happening. Ever.

^Gotta say I agree. I don't want to, but I do. Österleden and Blåa to Nacka are hge investments and the only ones they seem interested in are Citybanan (after all the counties nearby and all the municipalities stepped up and took some of the cost) and Förbifarten (since it'll lead to a big increase in car use?). Also, I'm not sure the people of Nacka are ready for the high density developments that would be needed at every new subwaystation to support the new line (rowhouses and villas aren't anywhere near enough to motivate a new line).

Here's how I think it should be done:
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/hammar.jpg

^^Alot of areas where the subway will go are already pretty much dense.. Henriksdal, Sickla, Even järla sjö and Ektorp in the future (they are building some apartments now already and there is a proposal for much more...)...

I got to say I love the idea of completing the tvärbana ring! :D

I just have to put some personal statements in this discussion.

- No more money for roads, of course to local streets in the new developed areas.
More roads gives more traffic bound to roads, ie cars. It´s not a human right to drive a car everywhere.

- Prioritize the subway extensions before fast trams "tvärbanan" or downtown trams.
The subway (and commuter trains) are the only public transport that can compete (in time and capacity) with the private cars from the suburbs.

- The "national" traffic through Stockholm are just a few percent of the traffic on E4 through Stockholm, so "Västerleden" is just another investment/campain for the motorist.

Ride a bike insted :cheers:

I think the downtown tram is very important. First and foremost, it is a first step towards conversion of all the "blue line" busses. Tram systems has to gain acceptance, the inhabitants of Stockholm needs to learn that modern trams are very nice to travel with and are very reliable. It is also a very important step towards connecting the new city blocks up at nordvästra kungsholmen with the rest of the city. And also, as a marketing strategy for Stockholm it is excellent. Today tourists are forced into overfull busses going out to Djurgården. In the future they can all ride nice sleek trams :)

I think it is a general mistake to put subway systems and tram systems against each other. They don't compete, they complement each other.

Based on the number of riders on a system, and the length it has to travel, it goes something like this:

Bus -> Tram -> Subway -> Commuter train.

Putting Trams in competition to subways is as wrong as putting a bus in competition with a subway. Every system has it's place.

I think the downtown tram is very important. First and foremost, it is a first step towards conversion of all the "blue line" busses. Tram systems has to gain acceptance, the inhabitants of Stockholm needs to learn that modern trams are very nice to travel with and are very reliable. It is also a very important step towards connecting the new city blocks up at nordvästra kungsholmen with the rest of the city. And also, as a marketing strategy for Stockholm it is excellent. Today tourists are forced into overfull busses going out to Djurgården. In the future they can all ride nice sleek trams :)

I think it is a general mistake to put subway systems and tram systems against each other. They don't compete, they complement each other.

Based on the number of riders on a system, and the length it has to travel, it goes something like this:

Bus -> Tram -> Subway -> Commuter train.

Putting Trams in competition to subways is as wrong as putting a bus in competition with a subway. Every system has it's place.

I agree with you 100%. But in the end of day we have choose what to invest in because of lack of money. And if I could choose, I would spend the money on the subway because it gives most for the money in the long term. You have right that a tramsystem is better than the buses for an example. Studies have shown that hardcore motorists tend leave the easier if the option is tram (or anything on tracks) rather then buses.

^^
Of course we need new subway lines in Stockholm. The problem is that subway lines are very very very very expensive compared to trams and therefore the politicians hardly ever dare to build any subway-extensions... Hell, they hardly even dare to build tramlines.
We need to get more vocal about these issues. The motorists cry for more roads. Well, we need to "cry" for more rail.. :) I don't say we should not build any roads, but we need to get a more balanced situation, especially considering where oil prices and sprawl takes us..

Well they say that trams/light rail give 80% of the subway benefit for 20% of the price.

....here is new renders of the plans of the new railwaybridge over Södertäljechannel! http://www.ramboll.se/projects/viewproject.aspx?projectid={BECCC84F-6D4F-4332-A25A-F566686684F9}

In my opinion a very cool constructiondesign with a futuristic touch! By the "ways" Hi folks in scc, i´m back after a wonderful vacation! I look forward to a in exciting autumn!
SC and :pepper:

I think it looks awful!