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11433 November 7th, 2008, 04:39 PM What tha F*CK, that looks totally awesome!! I did NOT expect that!
The sad thing is that the swedish football asociation is having massive troubles to get the financing for the build. There is no chance of meeting the late 2012 completion date that was originally set.
Boscorelli November 7th, 2008, 05:22 PM Täby Centrum
Täby
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3158/taby20centrumcamera01sm.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6572/taby2wy1.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3068/taby3tq8.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2015/taby1lx7.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2979/taby4sj5.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8405/tby04ho3.png
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/435/tby05ob7.jpg
Edit:
A new render
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3830/43444tabycentrumfasad.jpg
Edit March 1st:
A new render
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1827/tabycamera02gatuvybaksi.jpg
http://www.taby.se/upload/bilder/stadsbyggnad/Täby%20centrum/Utställning/01%20Flygbild%20revised%20minskad.jpg
http://www.taby.se/templates/TswSimplePage.aspx?id=11432
http://www.lund-valentin.se/lv/index.html
Dan November 7th, 2008, 05:30 PM Anything to make the Täby C area prettier is welcome. At the top of the above pic you can see my least fav building of the metro area. Gahh!
GoSatta November 7th, 2008, 05:45 PM ääää Storstugan rocks ;)
really nice!!! i've been dreaming about them building on that parking lot since i was like 14 15! and now they are doing it! a really really big lift for Täby C.. but they could make the "towers" at the top higher, they wont block any once view.
Boscorelli November 7th, 2008, 05:49 PM ^^
Is it called Storstugan?
Is it a rough area? It looks a bit scary.
GoSatta November 7th, 2008, 05:56 PM yeap it's called Storstugan :) nope it's a nice, expensive area and the flats in it are great! but the building maybe isn't that beautiful but it got soul ;)
. aah more pictures now . .i love the exterior! it makes it look like a more "international" mall with the big screens / commercials.. and they removed those ugly "balls" on top of the old highrise .. good news good news!
Sideshow_Bob November 7th, 2008, 06:12 PM @Bosco,
Cirkulationsplats, rondell = Roundabout.
Anyway, in the early proposals for Täby C there were skryscrapers, so this feels quite lame incomparison...
GoSatta November 7th, 2008, 06:23 PM i'm glad i missed it then, didn't even know there where plans so this made me happy :)
GoSatta November 7th, 2008, 10:02 PM just a small update from karolinska science park, they are almost done now (or the first two there are supposed to be one more behind) didnt have my tripod at home so its a bit blury. but why i just started to like them is becouce the top floor is a real mech floor! (the right one is finnished) so if you imagine these buildings 3 - 4 times there hight they would look good :)
http://www.gosatta.org/temp/k.jpg
Swede November 7th, 2008, 10:04 PM There's a lot going on now! yay! :)
Let's see how much gets built, what with the financial meltdown an' all :\
Those latest renderings of Norra Station (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=27538354#post27538354) disappoint me a bit. Still too much space wasted on empty areas that will mainly serve to bring the area an empty suburban feeling IMO and the "skyscrapers" are barely tall at all.
The Smedsbacken (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27642058&postcount=3222) renderings are looking very interesting. Not bad, but could be better. i.e., taller and more urban.
Loving the renderings of the new Alvik tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27654468&postcount=3228). but again, why always build the whole projects with such suburban-style planning?
That rendering of part of the Nya Råsunda (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27684748&postcount=3239) project is teh awesome. I see that and think "how will I be able to afford moving there?".
@MP - I didn't notice that. Good catch and good call by the planners.
The plans for Täby Centrum are looking good. The contrast to the Mörby Centrum plans is huge. Way to go Täby! :)
khaan November 7th, 2008, 11:40 PM Holy crap! :eek2::master:
I haven't looked here for just a couple of days and such an immense amount of urbanity going on! Awesome I say! :banana::banana:
LuckyJack November 8th, 2008, 11:19 AM There's a lot going on now! yay! :)
Those latest renderings of Norra Station (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=27538354#post27538354) disappoint me a bit. Still too much space wasted on empty areas that will mainly serve to bring the area an empty suburban feeling IMO and the "skyscrapers" are barely tall at all.
But that's still a rendering of Nya Karolinska, not of Norra Station.
The Norra Station buildings in that picture are just fillers, hinting at what might be developed in that area based on the original announcement from the city.
AtlanticaC5 November 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM The development in Täby looks mighty good I have to say. Looks like it would be a huge boost for the area (although I've only been there once, so I'm not 100% sure how it works out today).
Sims November 8th, 2008, 11:14 PM Found some nice info on sollentuna municipalitys website about Sollentuna Centrum, looks really interesting. It says that it has all been approved, however production will span over 9 years, for some reason.
http://www.sollentuna.se/mod/boendebyggande/aktuella/sollentuna_centrum/PrgSnedAvgr05web.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture2.png
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture1.png
Has anyone else heard/seen of this?
stais2 November 9th, 2008, 04:11 PM Found some nice info on sollentuna municipalitys website about Sollentuna Centrum, looks really interesting. It says that it has all been approved, however production will span over 9 years, for some reason.
http://www.sollentuna.se/mod/boendebyggande/aktuella/sollentuna_centrum/PrgSnedAvgr05web.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture2.png
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture1.png
Has anyone else heard/seen of this?
Using the names from http://www.sollentunacentrum.info/karta.html:
JM Kvarter (aka Cirkusplatsen) is pretty much done. People have moved in in quite a few of the apartments. NCC Kvarter 1 is also nearing completion. No other apartments have yet been started and it seems there will be delays due to the current state of the economy and the housing market.
Looking at the northern part of the map, Ungdomens hus is under construction (it was delayed a lot due to people appealing, as always). Work with rebuilding and adding to Sollentuna Centrum (the shopping mall) is also underway. First rebuilt section opened earlier this year.
On the other side of the railway, construction of the new "rättscentrum" (district court + arrest) started a while ago. This was also delayed due to appeals.
Insane alex November 9th, 2008, 05:09 PM I love the new Sollentuna C area and the new Täby C area! Looks really urban for these places being a suburb and all...
Fab 5 November 10th, 2008, 12:04 AM I know I am a bit late coming into the discussion on all the "Slussen" projects, however, here are my two cents on the matter.
I guess it all depends on whether you want to go for either signature architecture or context architecture - those two approaches are usually pretty hard to combine.
Sure, Foster's proposal is beautiful, no doubt, but it could be placed almost anywhere in the world. It's typical Foster signature architecture: Beautiful, well-thought, high-tech and pretty functional as well. However, I don't see any coupling to Stockholm or Sweden in it.
Sometimes signature architecture is a viable way to go, sure. It can turn things into a new, revitalizing direction.
Then there is the context approach. No one does that better on a global scale than Ateliers Jean Nouvel. IMO their proposal for "Slussen" is yet another amazing Nouvel project. It has a Stockholm vibe to it, that I really admire. It is the only project, that really has that BTW. It is an extremely intelligent project - but, typical Nouvel style, it is a project that needs to be studied closely in order to be understood. It's demanding - it doesn't hold the immediate "wow effect" as for instance Foster's or even BIG's.
Go for Nouvel. No doubt.
Boscorelli November 10th, 2008, 06:46 PM Some future pictures of Stockholm:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/442/framtidsbildfarstaev3.jpg
Farsta har i denna framtidsbild utvecklats till en av söderorts starkaste tyngdpunkter.
Farstavägen har omvandlats till stadsdelens självklara huvudgata med många nya bostäder och lokaler.
Här går också den nya spårvägen som knyter samman Farsta med omgivande
stadsdelar.
Illustrationen visar flera nya torg och platser som kompletterar Farsta torg och
skapar en intressant helhet och en levande stadsmiljö.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/274/framtidsbildulvsundaze6.jpg
Ulvsunda illustreras här som en blandad stadsmiljö med nya arbetsplatser och 3 000 nya sjönära bostäder med spektakulär arkitektur.
Den nya tvärbanan och torgen vid dess stationer fungerar som områdets självklara nav. Attraktiva offentliga stråk och broar över Bällstaviken
knyter ihop den nya stadsdelen med såväl arbetsområdet och flygplatsen som omgivande stadsdelar i Sundbyberg och Solna. Även den nya kajpromenaden
har en tydlig offentlig karaktär.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6815/framtidsbildtt5.jpg
Liljeholmen har i denna illustration omvandlats till en ny stadsdel med starka urbana kopplingar till både Södermalm och intilliggande stadsdelar i söderort.
Den förnyade Södertäljevägen är tillsammans med tvärbanans sträckning
ett av stadsdelens huvudstråk.
Det framtida Liljeholmen präglas av innerstadens täthet och blandning av attraktiva bostäder, arbetsplatser och ett rikt serviceutbud.
Årstaviken och vackra park- och naturmiljöer är andra delar av Liljeholmens dragningskraft.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3100/framtidsbildliljeholmenci6.jpg
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____4001.aspx#bookmarkC13
Insane alex November 10th, 2008, 07:14 PM ^^Pretty sweet!
Swede November 10th, 2008, 07:55 PM :happy:
gotta take a closer look at that later.
Boscorelli November 10th, 2008, 08:02 PM A quite interesting suggestion for a building called Solna City hotel.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6758/solnacityhotelvg3.jpg
http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html
Insane alex November 10th, 2008, 08:19 PM wow! I love that one! Rosenbergs have a lot of great proposals!
Hasse78 November 10th, 2008, 09:43 PM Great visions and projects in the last few pages of this thread. Lets hope these news will get into reality too. :)
mjoks007 November 10th, 2008, 09:58 PM I see urban pictures and planes from Stockholm oldmost every day. And the plans looks so sweet! Much better than the surburb blocks they build in Oslo!
Schweden November 10th, 2008, 10:16 PM I see urban pictures and planes from Stockholm oldmost every day. And the plans looks so sweet! Much better than the surburb blocks they build in Oslo!
Well, you're going to get a skyline :(
mjoks007 November 10th, 2008, 10:24 PM Well, you're going to get a skyline :(
"skyline" :)
I would rather had some of the urban projects you have in Stockholm with new urban quarters
safta20 November 10th, 2008, 10:31 PM Thanks for all your pictures Boscorelli. Keep on your snooking on the world wide web for more Stockholm news!
safta20 November 10th, 2008, 11:08 PM I'm not any big fan of the city planing of Ulriksdal. But this rendering from this (http://peab.capitex.se/images.aspx?guid=3H1RTJ4K91UK1QM9&typ=CMNyProd&&search=ulriksdal) site looks good:
http://peab.capitex.se/data/CBild/3IIB5M2G/MGJA3I0P_q120_h444_w631_mFile_cmOnlyScaleDown.jpg
Insane alex November 10th, 2008, 11:16 PM Alviks torn is now being marketed on Peabs site!
http://peab.capitex.se/CapitexResources/Capitex.Datalager.DBFile/Capitex.Datalager.DBFile.dbfile.aspx?g=3IPA3IC0E4UV1ERF&t=CBild&dc=2008-11-05 08:33:49&width=631&height=444&q=120&ScaleAndClipMode=OnlyScaleDown
Source:http://peab.capitex.se/intro.aspx?guid=3F3BKBBQFM5HNM4J&typ=CMNyProd&county=Stockholm
Insane alex November 10th, 2008, 11:22 PM I also found this on HSB's site:
Tuletorget
http://www.hsb.se/content/1/c6/13/56/33/333cdd9d.jpg
- 2x 15 floors
-160 apartments
site:http://www.hsb.se/hsb/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=40956
sapmi November 10th, 2008, 11:28 PM I also found this on HSB's site:
Tuletorget
http://www.hsb.se/content/1/c6/13/56/33/333cdd9d.jpg
- 2x 15 floors
-160 apartments
site:http://www.hsb.se/hsb/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=40956
They never learn...do they. :ohno:
safta20 November 10th, 2008, 11:30 PM ^^This is NOT social urban city planning.:wtf:
http://www.hidemarkstintzing.se/images/proj/tule1.jpg
Insane alex November 10th, 2008, 11:31 PM The buildings look OK but the planning sucks, yeah...
MP November 11th, 2008, 03:48 AM A quite interesting suggestion for a building called Solna City hotel.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6758/solnacityhotelvg3.jpg
http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html
Hm, is that the same hotel in Solna centrum that was originally supposed to be over 200 meters? A bit disappointing if that's the case, but atleast it looks good.
And I just love all these new urban/partly urban blocks that are popping up around the suburbs. So much progression has been made since Hammarbyhamnen. That's how a city is built, not as a large scale project with detail plans in advance for complete neighbourhoods, but by setting up a structure with a few major streets and then building infills of urban quarters where they fit in and are needed.
Insane alex November 11th, 2008, 08:53 PM Found this on annedals site:
http://www.annedal2012.se/bilder/main/forsmak.jpg
Site: http://www.annedal2012.se/forsmak.htm
mjoks007 November 11th, 2008, 09:19 PM ^^ Nice!
khaan November 11th, 2008, 10:38 PM ^^
so/so I'd say rather. The blocks are broken apart for no appartent reason, and most importantly of all, it's an isolated enclave and will therefore probably never work as the cityblocks they could. Although, densification like this is of course much better then "houses-in-a-park". In the future one might hope that the area of urbanity can be expanded, and therefore create something that actually works as city-blocks.
Boscorelli November 11th, 2008, 11:46 PM Article about "skönhetsrådet" where even YIMBY is mentioned as being critical towards them by having said:
en liten odemokratisk grupp av proffstyckare” och ett slags ” Ett slags elitistiskt kulturråd
http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article455810.ece
And some thought of theirs;
http://www.byggvarlden.se/multimedia/archive/00036/Skonhetsradet_800_36229a.jpg
AW November 12th, 2008, 12:02 AM Man I really, really hate skönhetsrådet...
"Med föreslagen byggnadshöjd tenderar dessutom det långsträckta gårdsrummet mellan hotell - och kontorsdelarna att upplevas som ett schakt."
^^ .....
What!? And by reducing the number of floors to like... 7 or 8 would solve that problem? And how much business will people have between those two buildings anyway??
Dan November 12th, 2008, 12:52 AM Does Stockholm Waterfront cover half of the road (just noticed that)? If so, I see cars going through there in the picture, but where are they going to put the new tram line if the building comes down in the middle of the road there?
AW November 12th, 2008, 08:50 AM ^^ Nope.
http://waterfrontbuilding.se/webcam/webcam.jpg
safta20 November 12th, 2008, 09:21 AM Man I really, really hate skönhetsrådet...
"Med föreslagen byggnadshöjd tenderar dessutom det långsträckta gårdsrummet mellan hotell - och kontorsdelarna att upplevas som ett schakt."
^^ .....
What!? And by reducing the number of floors to like... 7 or 8 would solve that problem? And how much business will people have between those two buildings anyway??
This article does not give an fair pictures of Yimbys attitude towards Skönhestrådet. You know how the media world behave... Media are not allways fair and objective.
Yimby do sometimes agree with skönhetsrådet and sometimes not. Skönhetsrådet is actually better today than before. Skönhetsrådet sometimes make bad decisions. But sometimes they make good decisions. I think we should critisize skönhetsrådet in some particular projects.... instead of allways critisize them.
So I suggest you do not hate skönhetsrådet:) We need people who can request the future proprietors and companies to build better architecture. If skönhetsrådet does not do it. Who else will do it? (Except Yimby of course).
However I do usually not like Stadsmuseets attitude. They are extreme preservers. They want to preserve many of the million programs. I believe people often mix up stadsmuseet and skönhetsrådet.
This article does not give
Insane alex November 12th, 2008, 09:41 AM Great progress on the waterfront tower!
Boscorelli November 12th, 2008, 07:41 PM This one didn't make it, obviously, and I don't know about you guys but I have never seen this suggestion before:
http://www.big.dk/projects/1st/1st.html
khaan November 12th, 2008, 08:38 PM This article does not give an fair pictures of Yimbys attitude towards Skönhestrådet. You know how the media world behave... Media are not allways fair and objective.
Yimby do sometimes agree with skönhetsrådet and sometimes not. Skönhetsrådet is actually better today than before. Skönhetsrådet sometimes make bad decisions. But sometimes they make good decisions. I think we should critisize skönhetsrådet in some particular projects.... instead of allways critisize them.
So I suggest you do not hate skönhetsrådet:) We need people who can request the future proprietors and companies to build better architecture. If skönhetsrådet does not do it. Who else will do it? (Except Yimby of course).
However I do usually not like Stadsmuseets attitude. They are extreme preservers. They want to preserve many of the million programs. I believe people often mix up stadsmuseet and skönhetsrådet.
This article does not give
I am responsible for the article that "byggvärlden" refers to. It can be read here:
http://www.yimby.se/2007/12/skonhetsradet-knappast-ny_402.html
I think I give some deserved criticism but in retrospect it might be a bit to harsch. My view of skönhetsrådet has been nuanced during the last year with my activism in YIMBY I have to say. As safta say, they are not all bad, sometimes they actually do really good things to, like critisizing the horrendous proposal for a new building to replace "folkan" at Östermalmstorg, or require more interresting architecture in some other cases.
Credit should be given where credit is due, and criticism given where it is deserved. As safta say, stadsmuséet is in this case much worse, and while skönhetsrådet have some good tendencies in going towards a more nuanced view on the development of Stockholm i see no such tendencies in stadsmuséets view.
GoSatta November 12th, 2008, 08:39 PM This one didn't make it, obviously, and I don't know about you guys but I have never seen this suggestion before:
http://www.big.dk/projects/1st/1st.html
i liked it :)
Insane alex November 12th, 2008, 08:50 PM I liked the BIG proposal better than the current U/C waterfront building...
safta20 November 12th, 2008, 09:25 PM I am responsible for the article that "byggvärlden" refers to. It can be read here:
http://www.yimby.se/2007/12/skonhetsradet-knappast-ny_402.html
I think I give some deserved criticism but in retrospect it might be a bit to harsch. My view of skönhetsrådet has been nuanced during the last year with my activism in YIMBY I have to say. As safta say, they are not all bad, sometimes they actually do really good things to, like critisizing the horrendous proposal for a new building to replace "folkan" at Östermalmstorg, or require more interresting architecture in some other cases.
Credit should be given where credit is due, and criticism given where it is deserved. As safta say, stadsmuséet is in this case much worse, and while skönhetsrådet have some good tendencies in going towards a more nuanced view on the development of Stockholm i see no such tendencies in stadsmuséets view.
Here is a kiss for you::kiss:
sojkino November 12th, 2008, 09:36 PM Here's a video of BIG's slussen proposal..
http://www.youtube.com/v/3OG9UQNaMjY&hl=sv&fs=1
Insane alex November 12th, 2008, 09:40 PM BIG's proposal for Slussen is now my favourtite!
safta20 November 12th, 2008, 10:01 PM Here's a video of BIG's slussen proposal..
http://www.youtube.com/v/3OG9UQNaMjY&hl=sv&fs=1
Thanks for the link. Bigs proposal is cool. However I'm concerned about the big open areas in the proposal. Will it be possible to make all that area lively?
MP November 13th, 2008, 08:26 AM This one didn't make it, obviously, and I don't know about you guys but I have never seen this suggestion before:
http://www.big.dk/projects/1st/1st.html
That's really bad architecture... They actually show how they came up with the design by just playing around with the CAD program. Horrible.
Dan November 13th, 2008, 10:47 AM When are they choosing which proposal will become final? I forget... was it December?
Nanoflux November 13th, 2008, 11:00 AM That's really bad architecture... They actually show how they came up with the design by just playing around with the CAD program. Horrible.
Actually thats not it at all. It's a very skilled and informative way to show what will change, very high production value. I really like the proposal, though maybe some of the open areas could be tightened up. I work at the 8th and 9th floor in "Glashuset" and this is what I'd want to see when I look out the window :)
.R
Boscorelli November 13th, 2008, 01:57 PM Some pictures off Hornsberg 10, Kungsholmen, which has reached exhibition stage according to sbk site at least. 8 floors against Ulvsunda sjön:
Picture Bergkrantz arkitekter
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7792/hornsbergsstrandiq3.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5895/hornsbergsstrand2vb7.jpg
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3283.aspx#bookmarkC14
MP November 13th, 2008, 02:41 PM ^^ Wow, those buildings look great! A few small tweaks from the old version and the impression is radically changed. I think what gives them dignity is that the windows aren't as big as they usually are on modern buildings. Makes them look timeless. And the villas on the roofs are of course lovely. The area could need something really spectacular though, that bath hotel is more than welcome.
Old version:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2124/2260795151_73120a5fac.jpg?v=0
AtlanticaC5 November 13th, 2008, 09:05 PM I never noticed there will be villas on the roofs, but that's a really fun idea. The new rendering looks better than the old one, but as always, it could have been even taller... ;)
sapmi November 13th, 2008, 09:10 PM I never noticed there will be villas on the roofs, but that's a really fun idea. The new rendering looks better than the old one, but as always, it could have been even taller... ;)
Exactly. They should have added another floor instead of some silly villas.
AW November 13th, 2008, 09:39 PM Oh god no, it's more important to let a smaller number of rich people live in rooptop villas than letting more of those... *shivers* filthy regular people live in the inner city. And you know, if they built taller they'd have to build sooo much car parks. They're being smart!
...
safta20 November 13th, 2008, 09:51 PM Oh god no, it's more important to let a smaller number of rich people live in rooptop villas than letting more of those... *shivers* filthy regular people live in the inner city. .
Completely agree
And you know, if they built taller they'd have to build sooo much car parks. They're being smart!
...
I hope you are ironic. The more dense we live the more economical it is to build subways!
AW November 13th, 2008, 09:55 PM ^^ Yes, I was :)
fetg_ November 15th, 2008, 08:57 PM New tvärbana branch may go through Karolinska and Norra Station, similar to YIMBYs suggestion.
http://i38.tinypic.com/2pqq0k1.png
Insane alex November 15th, 2008, 09:57 PM Nice find! Link please though. :)
fetg_ November 18th, 2008, 12:20 PM http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/alvikracketen11a.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/alvikracketen11b.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4108/alviklj7.jpg
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____2811.aspx#bookmarkB13
GoSatta November 18th, 2008, 02:43 PM proposals for the new årstafältet.
http://stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-Soderort/Nya-Arstafaltet/Sju-forslag/
mjoks007 November 18th, 2008, 03:31 PM Cool! Liked 0835 and Arkipelag best :) Reminds of central park
Can someone tell me why there is so much projects going on i Stockholm? Dont the financial crisis effect Stockholm ? :P
Boscorelli November 18th, 2008, 04:03 PM proposals for the new årstafältet.
http://stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-Soderort/Nya-Arstafaltet/Sju-forslag/
Thanks GoSatta! It's going to be really fun to read about the proposals and hopefully some is great!
Boscorelli November 18th, 2008, 04:18 PM Cool! Liked 0835 and Arkipelag best :) Reminds of central park
Can someone tell me why there is so much projects going on i Stockholm? Dont the financial crisis effect Stockholm ? :P
Well the projects started ahead of the financial crisis, so we will have to wait and see if all of them acctually gets realised.
And there is a big need for apartments, today on the news they said that 60.000 yopung people are waiting for an apartment in Stockholm, and that is just young people, but of course most of these new houses our beyond their market. And then a lot of people are moving to the area, so regardless of the recent crisis they have to build.
mjoks007 November 18th, 2008, 05:19 PM Ok, but many projects have stopped in Norway even if it soon finished :nuts:
Which proposal do you thinks is the best Boscorelli?
AtlanticaC5 November 18th, 2008, 05:31 PM Nice find with the proposals for Årstafältet! At a quick glance I think the first two and Neva look most interesting, but there's a lot of info on all of them so I have to check them more in detail. Good thing some of them want tall and urban buildings around the park, this might turn out really nice.
Edit: I like the planning of the blocks and streets in Maximus proposal, but the buildings seem to be too low.
Edit 2: I love the "La Defence" in Nevas proposal. Build!!
Sims November 18th, 2008, 06:17 PM I agree Neva is one of the top ones, not least because of its little "La Defense" cluster, however I think Urban Nature (0835 SNA) is the most urban one since it incorporates Östberga (the lower part of the render) the best.
1. Urban Nature (0835 SNA) - (plus for urbanity and connecting the different parts of the area, minus for lack of high-rise cluster)
2. Neva - (Big big plus for the cluster, and a small minus for its negligence in including southern Årstafältet.
3. Arkipelag - (Plus for modern and nice high concentration, minus for scale)
4. Maximus - (Plus for being large scaled, minus for complete lack of high-rises.
and the two others can just fight it out amongst them who wants to be last lol :)
sapmi November 18th, 2008, 07:48 PM Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva Neva :cheers::cheers:
Insane alex November 18th, 2008, 08:04 PM Love most of those proposals but Neva is probably the best!
AW November 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM Neva!!!!
Or arkipelag!
Adamovich-STHLM November 18th, 2008, 08:40 PM I want to see everything more closely, but at first glance... NEVA!!!
Boscorelli November 18th, 2008, 09:43 PM A few pics from three of the proposals for Årstafältet.
0835_SNA:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4241/0835snana1.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1605/0835sna2nq7.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1953/0835sna3gt9.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/163/0835sna4lm6.jpg
Arkipelag:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4812/arkipelagvt7.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6444/arkipelag2zg5.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3251/arkipelag3lk1.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6247/arkipelag4fg9.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7247/arkipelag5th9.jpg
Neva:
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9322/nevacm5.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6203/nev2sl3.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7033/neva3ic5.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/60/neva4ol9.jpg
Hasse78 November 18th, 2008, 09:59 PM I like 0835_SNA the best. It frames the big park in a great way and also create a great connection to the south. A few highrises added from Neva and it woulde be perfect. :)
TOB1AS November 18th, 2008, 10:20 PM Wow! I love them all but I would prefer Neva.
Dan November 18th, 2008, 10:47 PM Any other than Neva winning would be a tragedy!
mjoks007 November 18th, 2008, 10:52 PM Neva because of the highrises?
AW November 18th, 2008, 11:22 PM Neva - because it looks like a real city!
Well, it could be more urban.. but that skyline is too sweet to turn down!
safta20 November 18th, 2008, 11:33 PM This is NOT my favorite:lol:
More urbanity than this please...
http://stockholm.se/PageFiles/119494/Arsta_hander_1_370.jpg
AW November 19th, 2008, 12:51 AM Is it really funny or really sad that all three skyscrapers in that vision render of Neva have much, much nicer designs than any actual scraper/highrise proposal Stockholm has seen in... years/ever?
And also, isn't this something we were expecting to see at norra station? Talk about dissapointment when you look at the symmetrical, sterile, monotonous nyfunkis blocks we got stuck with instead.
Dubrovnik November 19th, 2008, 01:40 AM http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/85/31/32/arsta448.jpg
Sex arkitektgrupper har ritat var sin vision av Årstafältet i framtiden. De är sinsemellan mycket olika men gemensamt är att den stora centrala parken. De sex förslagen innehåller allt mellan 2.000 och 8.000 bostäder och ska granskas av en tävlingsjury.
Årstafältet är en central del i den utvidgning av Stockholms innerstad som är en av de bärande tankarna i översiktsplanen för framtidens Stockholm. Ett första steg mot att göra fältet till en central park i en ny stadsdel är den idétävling som ska avgöras i januari. De sex finalförslagen från arkitektgrupper från totalt nio länder ställs nu ut i Tekniska nämndhuset och i Årsta bibliotek.
- Vi har bestämt att vi bygger stad i Stockholm. Då blir stadsparkerna oerhört viktiga. Det är spännande att se hur olika förslagen är, tycker stadsarkitekt Per Kallstenius som är ordförande i tävlingsjuryn.
Han betonar att en idétävling inte behöver ha en vinnare. Det kan mycket väl bli två eller tre vinnare som får bidra med olika delar i utvecklingen av den nya stadsdelen.
- Vi har inte bundit oss för något annat än att Årstafältet är en spännande plats i utvecklingen av framtiden Stockholm, säger stadsbyggnadsborgarrådet Kristina Alvendal (m). Hon rynkar dock pannan och skakar på huvudet åt tankar som går ut på att riva bostadshus.
Här är några kännetecken för de olika förslagen.
0835SNA - Bygger en park med trädklädda kullar kring dalgångar och små sjöar. Däckar över Huddingevägen och bygger en spårvägslinje till Östberga. Parken inramas av bebyggelse i huvudsak i rutnät med några riktigt höga hus som landmärken.
Arkipelag - Har en park som påminner om skärgårdslandskap. Bygger i huvudsak nya hus i fältets norra del. Kopplar ihop stadsdelar runt fältet med olika stråk och funderar mycket kring att få in olika former av kultur centralt i den nya stadsdelen.
Neva - Bygger höga hus i ett centralt kvarter vid en tvärbanestation. Utvecklar resten av bebyggelsen i rutnät. Arbetar med en kulturzon runt stadsparken och skissar på hur det går att utnyttja de arbetsplatsområden som kantar Årstafältet bättre.
Maximus - Pläderar kraftfullt för behovet av att bevara en så stor del som möjligt av Årstafältet som grönområde. Bygger i stället om omgivande bostadsområden - främst i norr - till täta stadskvarter i rutnät.
Årsta händer - Lägger fokus i stort sett helt på miljö och hållbarhet. Det framtida grönområdet fylls med stadsjordbruk, trädgårdar och solfångare. De nya bostäderna byggs mer i punkthus och lamellhus än som tät stad.
Årstafältet Valley - Ser Årstafältet som en central del av en dal från Telefonplan till Skogskyrkogården. Vill bevara stora delar av den. För att klara det byggs husen höga kring den centrala dalen som överkorsas av broar.
Inte en enda bil syns på någon av arkitektskisserna. Per Kallstenius ser det som ett tecken på tidsandan, men noterar att många förslag skissar på en rad olika vägar att ta sig fram till den framtida stadsparken - även med bil. Katrin Berkefelt som är ansvarig för planeringen av den framtida Årstafältet hoppas att arkitektidéerna kan mynna ut i ett program för stadsdelen till sommaren. Den första detaljplanen kan då bli klar under 2010.
:cheers:
Dubrovnik November 19th, 2008, 01:44 AM Arkipelag :applause:
Schweden November 19th, 2008, 08:30 PM Neva!!!
moveteam November 19th, 2008, 09:28 PM All proposals look great, but the Neva one is probably best (excactly how high are the highest towers?) They actually look a little bit like the LM-project in Copenhagen (avatar to the right <---)
khaan November 19th, 2008, 09:43 PM I wrote about the proposals for YIMBY here:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/11/arstafaltets-framtid_651.html
"Årsta händer!" and "Årstafältet Valley" are all big no-noes. The other all have good as well as bad aspects.
Pics of all proposals:
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=e2a89e36-8611-4f3c-801b-bf14f53344f5.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=c1308e18-0b6a-4b8a-842f-ab0f00e92ae8.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=8890b091-1679-4f78-a614-86e97f0035b3.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=108ede8b-cda3-4c6c-8798-8de55dfefecd.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=f7294d57-ef53-418e-bb71-bb82260f5d23.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=f278e28e-a412-49f2-b614-fa8f9448dba9.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=a2a95802-b990-400b-a886-ee399ac186cb.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=19b16e9b-a7ce-4088-8a70-0a4766f861cf.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=203ccab1-0666-4d1e-97df-3e0e15b4bb4d.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=687c6947-9174-4862-95fd-082769b97d5d.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=4a6cf43c-c889-49ea-baa4-d77260f0b11a.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=03530342-37f4-46fc-a3c4-bb93ffd9b8ec.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=fb7b600c-81b7-4268-8770-6a85980af8ca.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=30c3751f-5e97-470b-86d3-b7790da12a15.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=ce2ca07d-a379-4ade-ab97-c84d32368159.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=1dd80e9d-f6fd-4d54-bc06-50cc6beeaf50.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=6d7a61cb-9f9a-434f-890a-5c78b9fa1afc.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=5fa17008-f86a-481d-ab53-b564c754d7f3.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=f33599e9-664e-461f-88b5-6f10e5734c7e.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=50edd2de-d15e-4a4c-9c3a-2554e43f8c82.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=db6a3ae5-fa6f-49a7-9150-39c6d8f4c230.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=610620b2-f54d-4e9f-8ca1-15772edcbef1.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=b22ed063-009c-419a-9f51-6d4611bfdac8.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=3e808f83-af7c-4b44-bc11-c51c36402e88.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=bc25bb90-f63e-4ee7-b6ba-765bb5c41bde.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=e9939f39-5de6-494a-a416-8f5b44b843e0.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=4244007c-c0ac-48f2-9f24-c96028ab1465.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=9ae809c9-5efb-4137-9a07-19bf39501d08.jpg
http://www.yimby.se/photos/imageloader.aspx?w=900&url=53f454b3-2369-4a91-bb7b-ddd944508174.jpg
safta20 November 19th, 2008, 10:42 PM Here is an interesting article about Stockholm reaching a record population this year. (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=853322)
It also has some very interesting comments about the demography of Stockholm.
Sims November 20th, 2008, 02:43 AM Ok hands down! NEEVA!
AW November 20th, 2008, 10:19 AM ^^ I agree, it just looks so goooooood. It's a perfect sized skyline, it frames the park nicely and it's got character!
Dubrovnik November 20th, 2008, 01:09 PM http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00399/hugehus_399593r.jpg
Kommunala bostadsbolaget Hugebostäder fortsätter sin satsning på studentbostäder, och bygger just nu en studentskrapa i 14 våningar i Flemingsbergs centrum. De 169 lägenheterna, ettor på 24 kvadratmeter ska vara färdiga till höstterminen 2009. Byggnaden får färgglada balkonger för att matcha övriga fasader i Flemingsberg.
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_2069125.svd
Swede November 20th, 2008, 09:53 PM HAHAHA!!! "Studentskrapa" it's 13 floors! that ain't no skyscraper, that's not really tall at all.
The Årstafältet proposals all fall short of what I want. But then, my tastes are simple: continuous dense urbanity with real parks.
Boscorelli November 20th, 2008, 11:18 PM Some idea I suppose for central Väsby, for about 1000 apartments.
I choose to write idea and not proposal since if I understand the site correctly it's going to be a competition for the area. Or perhaps this is that result?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6876/vsbypb7.jpg
http://www.vasbyhem.se/CM/Templates/Article/general.aspx?cmguid=d3b3b8a4-f734-4c74-ae1e-0f684c611f9d
Boscorelli November 21st, 2008, 01:22 PM Modern hostel to open in Kungsbrohuset:
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2078275.svd
khaan November 21st, 2008, 03:30 PM Some idea I suppose for central Väsby, for about 1000 apartments.
I choose to write idea and not proposal since if I understand the site correctly it's going to be a competition for the area. Or perhaps this is that result?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6876/vsbypb7.jpg
http://www.vasbyhem.se/CM/Templates/Article/general.aspx?cmguid=d3b3b8a4-f734-4c74-ae1e-0f684c611f9d
Once again, modernism is with us. Why is it so effing difficult to put the houses against the street instead of throwing them out on a lawn? :bash:
Swede November 21st, 2008, 06:51 PM Modern hostel to open in Kungsbrohuset:
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2078275.svd
Sounds more like a hotel than a hostel. I like it tho, will help bring the area to life, like the article states.
Dan November 21st, 2008, 07:39 PM It's fantastic. Stockholm ONLY builds upper 3* and 4* hotels. It desperately needs cheaper accommodation options in the city. If you need cheap accommodation you need to either go for a crap hostel or go to Ibis Hägersten or some other similar thing really far away in some nasty area...
staff November 21st, 2008, 08:35 PM ^^
It's Sweden-- we only build middle (and upper middle-) class hotels. Budget- and luxury hotels are nowhere to be found, with a few exceptions...
Dan November 21st, 2008, 09:18 PM Well, I would say that for its size, Stockholm as a decent amount of hotels, restaurants, etc. for luxury travelers. Much more complicated for the budget traveler, though.
safta20 November 21st, 2008, 11:37 PM While talking about hotels. They will start a 5 star hotel at Normalmstorg right? Or is it postphoned due to the financial crisis? It's good they build some cheaper options too. We need more low price options...
staff November 22nd, 2008, 01:57 PM Well, I would say that for its size, Stockholm as a decent amount of hotels, restaurants, etc. for luxury travelers. Much more complicated for the budget traveler, though.
Compared to other European capitals including Eastern European ones, I'd say Stockholm has among the absolute worst representation of luxury hotel chains! Quite a low representation of Michelin starred restaurants too.
Same thing in GBG and Malmö. Almost only middle-class/upper middle-class hotels, and very poor representation of 5-star and budget hotels.
GoSatta November 22nd, 2008, 02:48 PM Same thing in GBG and Malmö. Almost only middle-class/upper middle-class hotels, and very poor representation of 5-star and budget hotels.
welcome to country in the middle, "landet lagom" "mellanmjölkens land" we are just to bland :) "nejmen inte ska vi" what will people think . . haha :)
Zichau November 22nd, 2008, 03:00 PM ^^
Mellan-beer... :)
staff November 22nd, 2008, 03:03 PM welcome to country in the middle, "landet lagom" "mellanmjölkens land" we are just to bland :) "nejmen inte ska vi" what will people think . . haha :)
Exactly. ;)
GoSatta November 22nd, 2008, 03:03 PM ^^
Mellan-beer... :)
'hahahaha :) yeap that too ;)
safta20 November 22nd, 2008, 03:37 PM I did first saw this and I was like Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!:tyty:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3049566831_e9cc6cf9cc_o.jpg
But then I saw this and I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!
:doh:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6876/vsbypb7.jpg
wolkenkrabber November 22nd, 2008, 06:27 PM update shot from flemingsberg today, that student housing
http://images4.bilddagboken.se/38/_u1/_u5/_u8/_u9/_u5/_u0/u1589507/79481_1227357709.jpg
Insane alex November 22nd, 2008, 09:40 PM It makes a great impact on the skyline in the area, so atleast that is positive!
Zichau November 22nd, 2008, 11:35 PM ^^
But then again... What wouldn't?...:)
Swede November 23rd, 2008, 01:33 AM update shot from flemingsberg today, that student housing
Have ya taken a closer look at it? wassit like at streetlevel?
safta20 November 23rd, 2008, 08:55 AM update shot from flemingsberg today, that student housing
http://images4.bilddagboken.se/38/_u1/_u5/_u8/_u9/_u5/_u0/u1589507/79481_1227357709.jpg
eeh this looks like a car society. I really hope we don't keep building these car cities anymoore. And it's not beautiful...
Boscorelli November 23rd, 2008, 10:13 AM Täby centrum will be delayed: http://www.fsve.se/dev/article.php?id=2046
Found some pictures of a project in Täby Centrum for 2009 and perhaps they have been shown here before I don't know,
but anyway it's interesting because I read in the newspaper
that they are building very little north of Stockholm, when it comes to residental buildings, and that's not good of course.
But something is apparently going on!
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6572/taby2wy1.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3068/taby3tq8.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2015/taby1lx7.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2979/taby4sj5.jpg
http://www.lund-valentin.se/lv/index.html
And this is from täby kommun:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2319/tby01gn6.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2214/tby03vb1.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8405/tby04ho3.png
And there will be a couple of circulation places if that now is correctly translated ;)
I hardly know what "cirkulationsplatser" are! :D
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/435/tby05ob7.jpg
http://www.taby.se/upload/bilder/stadsbyggnad/Täby%20centrum/Utställning/01%20Flygbild%20revised%20minskad.jpg
http://www.taby.se/templates/TswSimplePage.aspx?id=11432
Insane alex November 23rd, 2008, 02:45 PM eeh this looks like a car society. I really hope we don't keep building these car cities anymoore. And it's not beautiful...
ehh, that's probably coz this pic was taken infront of a parking garage? And besides this place will never become a city...
sojkino November 23rd, 2008, 02:58 PM I still don't know anything about this builing, but here's some new pics.
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/Stockholm/DSC_0001.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/Stockholm/DSC_0006.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/Stockholm/DSC_0009.jpg
Boscorelli November 23rd, 2008, 03:25 PM Can someone please take a look at http://www.jeannouvel.com to see if there are any pictures on there site of Slussen which hasn't been shown here before.
I can't get access to that site, there is some stuff about no flash for me! :bash:
fejklycka November 23rd, 2008, 04:15 PM eeh this looks like a car society. I really hope we don't keep building these car cities anymoore. And it's not beautiful...
It is parking space for Huddinge University Hospital, probably the ugliest building in Stockholm. The whole building (and it's big) looks like that.
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/stockholm/0611/21/NYHETER-21s30-sjukhus-859_438.jpg
Boscorelli November 23rd, 2008, 04:22 PM ^^
That's an ugly hospital! Thank you to someone (White or god?)for making the new Karolinska looking good!
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2859/image15zn8.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1281/image02yg6.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2729/image03eu9.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2327/image05wp3.jpg
And this picture is about Karolinska and not about the rest of the area but I can't deny noticing four highrises and I havn't seen a suggestion about that before.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5236/image13wh4.jpg
wolkenkrabber November 23rd, 2008, 07:24 PM Have ya taken a closer look at it? wassit like at streetlevel?
i'll go and take photos closer up some day, it has usualy started to get dark when i am home, but i'll work on it!
LuckyJack November 23rd, 2008, 08:52 PM ^^
That's an ugly hospital! Thank you to someone (White or god?)for making the new Karolinska looking good!
Yeah, to bad it aint affecting Huddinge though.
Silver Creations November 23rd, 2008, 10:10 PM ^^
That's an ugly hospital! Thank you to someone (White or god?)for making the new Karolinska looking good!
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2859/image15zn8.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1281/image02yg6.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2729/image03eu9.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2327/image05wp3.jpg
And this picture is about Karolinska and not about the rest of the area but I can't deny noticing four highrises and I havn't seen a suggestion about that before.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5236/image13wh4.jpg
Yes! I have also notice those mysterius drawings about "Norra station" It seems to exsist a lot of differents plan-skiss over that area. And no one knows anything about it! Here is another picture of that same area, with only two h-rises on it!
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/NorraStationAkvarell-1.jpg
I was inside jeannouvel.com , a wonderful peace of webpage but nothing of interesting project in there! I could´nt find anything about slussen!
K-J N. November 23rd, 2008, 10:35 PM Can someone please take a look at http://www.jeannouvel.com to see if there are any pictures on there site of Slussen which hasn't been shown here before.
I can't get access to that site, there is some stuff about no flash for me! :bash:
There is a separate site for Nouvel's Slussen proposal with a narrated (in english) animation: http://www.slussenmeetinglines.com
Boscorelli November 24th, 2008, 04:09 AM ^^
Great! Thanks for that link! :)
And some more photos of the Nouvel proposal:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6480/01quayimages3ix6.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4711/01quayimages6ct3.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8981/01quayimages7eb4.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1429/01quayimages8ok8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1631/01quayimages9nv2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6281/01quayimages10ax4.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3613/01quayimages11dl5.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7718/01quayimages12ek9.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8522/01quayimages13ne7.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6613/01quayimages14wi2.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7348/47loungehk6.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9034/54viewme0.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3279/57rampkc6.jpg
What really made me laugh was when they had placed the present Slussen in Paris and Venice.
safta20 November 24th, 2008, 03:55 PM ehh, that's probably coz this pic was taken infront of a parking garage? And besides this place will never become a city...
I understand your point;) What I was thinking of was these suburban sprawls where we humans spread out on enormous areas with "Hus i Park" and family houses. It's better for the environment and for the liveliness on the streets if we live close each other and use the mass transit instead of the car.
AW November 24th, 2008, 04:13 PM Oh god, I really don't hope Nouvel wins. :) Hideous!
Jo November 24th, 2008, 06:51 PM What really made me laugh was when they had placed the present Slussen in Paris and Venice.
Whether it's fair or not, I liked that comparison :) It was a very efficient way of showing what a monster the present slussen is in such a beautiful location.
After seeing the models I still don't have a clear favourite, but Big's proposal grew on me a bit while Nyrén's and Nouvel's propsals are the ones I like the least. No matter what conbination they eventually end up with I'm sure it will be good.
sapmi November 24th, 2008, 09:23 PM Nouvel is fucking horrible. What the hell were they thinking? :nuts:
khaan November 24th, 2008, 09:28 PM I did first saw this and I was like Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!:tyty:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3049566831_e9cc6cf9cc_o.jpg
But then I saw this and I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!
:doh:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6876/vsbypb7.jpg
*LOL* So fucking true... haha.
khaan November 24th, 2008, 09:31 PM ehh, that's probably coz this pic was taken infront of a parking garage? And besides this place will never become a city...
Why not? I mean, if you build urbanity, it becomes a city.
Insane alex November 24th, 2008, 10:37 PM ^^Yes, but cities can not be build anywhere just like that... We need suburbs too you know, there's a lot of people who dosen't want to live in a city but close to one, that's why there are suburbs such as this one...
khaan November 24th, 2008, 10:48 PM ^^Yes, but cities can not be build anywhere just like that... We need suburbs too you know, there's a lot of people who dosen't want to live in a city but close to one, that's why there are suburbs such as this one...
No.
The suburbs are a result of ideology (modernistic planning, car-society), and later on by habit. Not by demand. In fact, there are very few people that actually want's to live in suburbs.
According to research that has been made people want to live in their own house or in an urban setting. "House-in-park" and such is not even close to being as popular. Despite this, we have huge amounts of suburbs in stockholm, even from an international viewpoint.
Insane alex November 24th, 2008, 11:49 PM No.
The suburbs are a result of ideology (modernistic planning, car-society), and later on by habit. Not by demand. In fact, there are very few people that actually want's to live in suburbs.
According to research that has been made people want to live in their own house or in an urban setting. "House-in-park" and such is not even close to being as popular. Despite this, we have huge amounts of suburbs in stockholm, even from an international viewpoint.
Well, you can only find houses in the suburbs of Stockholm... I'm also against the whole house-in-park thingy but a lot of people can't afford to live in an urban setting since the prices are so high in those kind of areas since it's very attractive.
For now we need those kind of areas with house-in-park buildings untill there's a sollution for making the urban places cheeper to live in.
Swede November 25th, 2008, 08:02 AM The solution to making urban places cheaper to live in is... build urban places! Stop building tower/slab-in-a-park and start building urban. There really is no point in building more slab-in-a-park, we've got too much of that already, waaaay more than there is demand for. Why hundreds of thousands live in such areas today? Mainly because that's what there is to buy.
khaan November 25th, 2008, 09:51 AM Well, you can only find houses in the suburbs of Stockholm... I'm also against the whole house-in-park thingy but a lot of people can't afford to live in an urban setting since the prices are so high in those kind of areas since it's very attractive. It's time that we stop building houses based on ideology, and start building based on demand.
For now we need those kind of areas with house-in-park buildings untill there's a sollution for making the urban places cheeper to live in.
No-one is talking about tearing down existing buildings. What it is about is to densify and urbanise those areas. The reason urbanity is expensive, and house-in-park is not as expensive is a result of demand. People want urbanity, yet, there is very little urbanity.
How are we going to solve this problem? By building more "house-in-a-park" or by building more urbanity?
The fact that urbanity today is expensive is not anything written "in stone", it's a result of how we have built our society since the thirties, and can of course only be changed by building urban in future developments. By building more "houses-in-a-park" the situation just get's even worse with ever increasing prices on urbanity until we reach a point where the city just fails to work as a city. The suburbs are parasitic in nature and depend on the city to work. What happens if almost everything is suburbs and almost nothing is a city? The equation stops to work. And besides, there is no real need to actually build new suburbs as I mentioned. People want to live in houses or in an urban setting to a very large degree.
I wrote an article recently in "Fria tidningen" which describes some of the history behind the current situation:
http://www.stockholmsfria.nu/artikel/75433
staff November 25th, 2008, 12:05 PM Stockholm's planners should consult the Malmö planners. :)
The objective is not to extend the urban area at all, ever, while the population of said area is expected to pass 400.000 by 2030.
This almost 6000 p/km2 overall urban density (~4000 p/km2 today, Sthlm 3300 p/km2 today) will be achieved by revising most future detail plans in especially Västra Hamnen and Nyhamnen, and instead of a "general building height" of 5-6 floor, the buildings in these areas will be 11-12 floors. Basically all commieblock areas have recently started undergoing a densifying plan, by closing the blocks and increasing the height further of the buildings.
The transport issue will be solved by 54km of planned LRT routes.
Insane alex November 25th, 2008, 01:22 PM Spårväg syd was launched today!
Spårväg syd ska binda ihop pendel och t-bana
Två pendeltågslinjer och två tunnelbanegrenar binds samman av Spårväg syd. SL, Stockholm och Huddinge startar en gemensam förstudie av projektet. Spårvägslinjen blir omkring 18 kilometer lång och beräknas få 30.000 resenärer om dagen. Tidigast 2013 kan det blir byggstart.
Det är lätt och enkelt att ta sig från olika delar av Södertörn till cent*rala Stockholm med pendeltåg och tunnelbana. Att åka kollektivt mellan de spår som likt ekrar i ett cykelhjul söker sig in mot City är betydligt svårare.
Spårväg syd mellan Älvsjö station och Flemingsberg via Fruängen, Skärholmen och Kungens kurva ska råda bot på en del av den bristen. På måndagen presenterade SL:s ordförande Christer G Wennerholm och hans moderata partibröder, finansborgarrådet Sten Nordin och kommunalrådet i Huddinge Daniel Dronjak Nordqvist, sin plan för spårvägen.
På skisserna har spårvägen 14 stationer på den 18 kilometer långa sträckningen, som beräknas kosta omkring tre miljarder. Hur den ska dras och var stationerna ska ligga är två väsentliga uppgifter för den förstudie som nu dras i gång.
- I planerna finns det statliga medel för den här spårvägen från 2013. Då är det dags att dra i gång planeringen nu så att vi har något väldigt konkret och väl utrett att visa upp när pengarna för 2013 ska fördelas, betonar Christer G Wennerholm.
Sten Nordin tycker att spårvägen är viktig för att den skapar urbana positiva miljöer och att den passar väl in i stadens vision för Söderort. Daniel Dronjak Nordqvist ser spårvägen som ett framtida lyft för hela södra regionen och att den är nödvändig för utvecklingen av Flemingsberg som ett regionalt centrum.
Source DN: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=855961
I Would like to see this baby get extended to Årstafälet (where they are currently planning for a big desification) and also get connected to Tvärbanan! That would be Awesome!
fetg_ November 26th, 2008, 03:18 PM Things are going up in kungsholmen.
1 october:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_okt08_460.gif
1 november:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_nov08_460.gif
safta20 November 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM Here's (http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3091.aspx#bookmarkC14) new renderings and info about Bromma Center. The building look nice but it is unfortunately a suburbish shopping center for polluting car owners.:)
khaan November 26th, 2008, 11:54 PM Things are going up in kungsholmen.
1 october:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_okt08_460.gif
1 november:
http://www.stockholm.se/PageFiles/66775/kojan_nov08_460.gif
Not the hirise though, according to this site that house won't start to go up until this spring :(
http://www.branschnyheter.se/article42744.php
Good thing though is that it is rentals, so it is not a dependent on the financial crisis as a tennant-ownership building would be.
fetg_ November 27th, 2008, 05:20 PM Good thing though is that it is rentals, so it is not a dependent on the financial crisis as a tennant-ownership building would be.
Stockholm need more rentals. We need to build a lot despite the crisis.
wolkenkrabber November 27th, 2008, 07:06 PM Stockholm need more rentals. We need to build a lot despite the crisis.
uhuh! amen to that brother! It's quite revolting (spelling?) that the queue for a rental in the city is somewhere between 13 and 20 years.
i have one shot from hammary and one from snöflingan i will upload later this evening if i have the strength.
Swede November 27th, 2008, 07:53 PM Stockholm need more rentals. We need to build a lot despite the crisis.
And it is possible to build rentals while making a profit. The big 4 can't, but they are pretty incompetent at managing costs.
Boscorelli November 27th, 2008, 08:00 PM Anyone else bored with the darkness and longing for lighter and brighter times when there are a lot of picture updates from projects around Stockholm?
Well I do! :)
safta20 November 27th, 2008, 10:24 PM Boscorelli. You can perhaps spend time on posting pictures of this one (http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3091.aspx#bookmarkC14):)
And don't forget Stockholmsutställningen in Järva. We might get some renderings of those weird projects soon!
K-J N. November 27th, 2008, 10:56 PM Anyone else bored with the darkness and longing for lighter and brighter times when there are a lot of picture updates from projects around Stockholm? Well I do! :)
Here, have a Torsgatan progress pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan03.jpg
wolkenkrabber November 27th, 2008, 11:57 PM snöflingan
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00754.jpg
part of that taller building in hammarby sjöstad.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00753.jpg
fetg_ November 28th, 2008, 12:08 AM they are pretty incompetent at managing costs.
Really? Compared to ...? Source?
Insane alex November 28th, 2008, 12:35 AM Nice updates! You can already see the Sjöstadsporten tower making impact on the skyline from Henriksdal! :)
STHLM November 28th, 2008, 12:44 AM And it is possible to build rentals while making a profit. The big 4 can't, but they are pretty incompetent at managing costs.
The harsh reality is that only if you actually decide to let the market determine the prices of rentals, will it ever be profitable to build them.
AW November 28th, 2008, 01:02 AM Great updates! Love the pic of torsgatan, talk about urban improvement!
Boscorelli November 28th, 2008, 08:08 AM Boscorelli. You can perhaps spend time on posting pictures of this one (http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3091.aspx#bookmarkC14):)
And don't forget Stockholmsutställningen in Järva. We might get some renderings of those weird projects soon!
Well I was talking about pictures posted and taken by people walking past different constructions, like the once above, which made me really happy to see this morning! :)
It feels like there are more of those in the summertime than during the winter.
khaan November 28th, 2008, 09:38 AM Here, have a Torsgatan progress pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan03.jpg
Nice! Me likey :) Thx!
mjoks007 November 28th, 2008, 02:11 PM Nice! Stockholm are good to make good assembly arcitecture.
Insane alex November 28th, 2008, 03:22 PM Solvalla flyttas enligt arenaplaner
http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00403/solvalla_403867b.jpg
Planerna på ett gemensamt arenaprojekt mellan Solvallatravet och fotbollsklubben Brommapojkarna går vidare.
Klart är nu att arenan flyttas från Solvalla och att även bostäder byggs på området.
Flytten blir inte lång, bara någon kilometer, och arenan byggs ihop med det nya bostadsområdet Annedal i Bromma utanför Stockholm.
Planen är att bygga världens modernaste travanläggning.
"Genom den nya travanläggningen kommer vi att kunna ta såväl travsporten som den svenska hästsporten i stort till nästa nivå, säger Solvallas vd Stefan Lundborg i ett pressmeddelande.
Förutom travbanan ska det byggas en inomhusarena för fotboll, lokaler för en idrottsakademi, en hotell- och konferensavdelning samt 75 000 kvadratmeter kommersiella ytor och 3 500 lägenheter.
"För att kunna bibehålla och utveckla både vår viktiga och breda ungdomsverksamhet, samt våra elitlag, är en modern och ny anläggning med effektiva träningsmöjligheter en nödvändighet. Samtidigt kommer idrottsakademin ge oss möjlighet att behålla våra talanger på hemorten och skapa unika möjligheter för morgondagens stjärnor", säger Ola Danhard, klubbdirektör i Brommapojkarna, i ett pressmeddelande.
Source,Svd: http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2116091.svd
Krm500 November 28th, 2008, 09:40 PM Here, have a Torsgatan progress pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan03.jpg
Niiiiice, are those new build or just renovated?! If they are new is there somewhere I can read a "detaljplan"? :)
Insane alex November 28th, 2008, 11:16 PM They are new built. :)
mjoks007 November 28th, 2008, 11:24 PM Do you have a pdf document of the plan?
fetg_ November 28th, 2008, 11:42 PM Do you have a pdf document of the plan?
http://www.nyahem.skanska.se/sok-bostad/Projects/Lilla-Bantorget/
http://www.stockholm.se/Fristaende-webbplatser/Fackforvaltningssajter/Exploateringskontoret/Ovriga-byggprojekt-i-innerstaden/Norra-Bantorget/
Krm500 November 29th, 2008, 04:22 AM They are new built. :)
Awesome, looks like they could be built a long time ago, if you disregard the little bathroom windows and staircase design. And they have room for stores in the ground floor, that is how building should be built...
Compare it to this eyesore which was recently built in Gothenburg...
http://www.gp.se/content/1/c6/41/08/46/sannegardshamnen_390.jpg
GoSatta November 29th, 2008, 12:18 PM Here, have a Torsgatan progress pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan03.jpg
im not a big fan of "lets make it look old" type of buildings but these turned out really good! they mix in well in the Stockholm cityscape and you can se they are modern buildings and that part of torsgatan is transformed in to a part of the city!!
Jo November 29th, 2008, 02:13 PM Looks great! More of that kind of development please.
Minor complaint: I don't like the look of the red/orange colored building so far though, it looks like something built in the 80s.. at least based on the pictures. Will see when it's all completed.
Mulefisk November 29th, 2008, 04:55 PM IMO, they look horrible, but it seems like they function very well with the surrounding city so i can't complain.
ch1le November 29th, 2008, 05:00 PM im sorry but those buildings are absolutely horrid.
Boscorelli November 29th, 2008, 05:57 PM Solna City Hotel
Solna Centrum
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/722/soknacityhotell2bf0.jpg
As one can see above under the render there used to be two renders on the site now it's four. Don't know anything about the projects status, or indeed if this lead anywhere in the parallel asignment it was part of?
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7115/solna3.png http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2299/solna4.png
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3500/solna2.png http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3898/solna.png
Mitt i Solna centrum och som ett led i en större utvecklingsplan planeras ett höghushotell i trettio våningar. Gestaltning och helhetskonceptet är tänkt att ge en tydlig identitet till Solna och skapa en citykänsla i kontrast till den omgivande lägre bebyggelsen. Den stora hotellbyggnaden har en anslående skulptural form, med en bas som viker av och bildar en smäcker huskropp, klädd med glas och metall vilket får fasaderna att gnistra som ormskinn. Förslaget var det vinnande i ett parallellt uppdrag mellan tre arkitektkontor.
http://www.reflexark.se/index.html
GoSatta November 29th, 2008, 06:10 PM i´ll take the last one :)
fejklycka November 29th, 2008, 06:42 PM im not a big fan of "lets make it look old" type of buildings but these turned out really good! they mix in well in the Stockholm cityscape and you can se they are modern buildings and that part of torsgatan is transformed in to a part of the city!!Really nice! Atleast the green one. Looks like two of the best buildings in Stockholm since the 1920's when it comes to urbanity and design. I like retro design when the old style is a good one. No way i would lika a 1960's retro building.
safta20 November 29th, 2008, 11:30 PM Edit:
What does "parallelluppdrag" mean?
Both firms about this project use that term.
I have never read about a competition for this hotell but apparently there a different versions so perhaps there is one?
And this last one has showed up quite recently on that site.
Thanks for the renderings!
Parallelluppdrag = When more than one Architect have been commissioned to carry out a project. They might choose one winner or choose an combination of many proposals.
safta20 November 29th, 2008, 11:41 PM Here, have a Torsgatan progress pic.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/torsgatan03.jpg
The design is nothing special according to me. They are one colored boxes. The reason why some think they look old is propably elemnts like the colours that are common in older buildings and the arched windows on the bottom floor of the green building.
But I like the urban planning in the area. The area is lively with the activity on the bottom floors and the "tight" streets. Every building also look different. The sharp edged modern hotel, the crown shaped balcony building, the "old wannabe" pastiche building with the tower, the real old buildings with statues and towers, the buildings in this picture and the modern flat iron building with the sloping angles on the top floors. They are also building other new buildings in other styles on Kungsgatan around the corner. Every building look different and has its own style. The area has a urban lively city plan. Very good.
wolkenkrabber November 30th, 2008, 09:57 PM at Lindhagesgatan
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00760.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00759.jpg
the new mall from a terrace at warfvingesg.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00761.jpg
from kristinebergs IP
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00757.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa160/krillsterf/DSC00758.jpg
fetg_ November 30th, 2008, 10:47 PM gdgd! :cheers:
naive.super December 1st, 2008, 11:09 AM The design is nothing special according to me. They are one colored boxes. The reason why some think they look old is propably elemnts like the colours that are common in older buildings and the arched windows on the bottom floor of the green building.
But I like the urban planning in the area. The area is lively with the activity on the bottom floors and the "tight" streets. Very good.
The buildings are not great, but it really helps that these are not stand alone and actually have some context in fact I think they fit quite well into the urban fabric.
As for architecture I can see these ones as contemporary imitations of typical older buildings, especially the attic roofs. But, it's not only about the buildings and if as you say the area consist of some active frontages then it's already good enough.:)
In the end whats the purpose of having great buildings in terms of architecture if the streets surrounding them are dead 24 hours a day?
safta20 December 1st, 2008, 09:46 PM http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/722/soknacityhotell2bf0.jpg
Wait a minute. Where is this hotel meant to be? It look like a highway on the rendering... Is it Frösundaleden?
sojkino December 1st, 2008, 11:32 PM Stockholm Waterfront updates
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0004.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0136.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0132.jpg
Insane alex December 2nd, 2008, 12:35 AM Nice! It's rising quikly now! :D
Boscorelli December 2nd, 2008, 11:42 AM Name the neighbourhood between Solna and Stockholm and win a price.
Just nu planeras för den nya stadsdelen mellan Solna och Stockholm. Men vad ska området kallas? Vi behöver din hjälp med förslag på ett passande namn för området. Ett oförglömligt pris kommer att ges till den eller de som kommer med det vinnande förslaget.
An unforgetable price will be the ward! :nuts:
http://www.stockholm.se/TrafikStadsplanering/Stadsplanering/Storre-projekt/Norra-Stationsomradet/Tavling-dop-nya-stadsdelen-Karolinska---Norra-station1/
GoSatta December 2nd, 2008, 12:19 PM Name the neighbourhood between Solna and Stockholm and win a price.
An unforgetable price will be the ward! :nuts:
http://www.stockholm.se/TrafikStadsplanering/Stadsplanering/Storre-projekt/Norra-Stationsomradet/Tavling-dop-nya-stadsdelen-Karolinska---Norra-station1/
well, everyone already calls it "karolinska" and if you look at maps it¨s already called haga so why change it?
i will protest!!! :) dont change the name of my backyard!!!
Boscorelli December 3rd, 2008, 03:49 PM Stockholm city will spend an extra 20 billion SEK on building new an renovating houses. very good!
Ett paket på 20 miljarder som mest går till bostäder ska lindra lågkonjunkturen i Stockholm. Den borgerliga alliansen i Stadshuset vill öppna stadens kassakista för att snabba på renoveringar och bostadsbyggande.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=859369
http://stockholm.city.se/nyheter/2008/12/03/Nordin_dampar_krisen_med_mer_byggande/
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2139405.svd
Stockholm är inte lika hårt drabbat av finanskrisen som övriga Sverige, men att satsa här är viktigt för hela landet, poängerade Sten Nordin.
- Vi har en välfylld kassa och en satsning på nya bostäder, renovering av slitna bostadsområden och infrastruktur kommer stockholmarna till glädje samtidigt som de ger jobb, betonar finansborgarrådet Sten Nordin(m).
AW December 3rd, 2008, 04:52 PM Wow, nice!!
Boscorelli December 3rd, 2008, 07:26 PM The globe or Globen has been blood red today, has anyone taken a picture of it?
staff December 3rd, 2008, 09:06 PM 20 Billion. :eek:
sapmi December 3rd, 2008, 10:30 PM I hope it will work! :cheers:
Silver Creations December 4th, 2008, 11:30 AM http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/Alvsjo-Arsta.jpg
Please visit my sketchup city 3D-model here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=761248 :banana:
Dan December 4th, 2008, 12:09 PM 20 Billion. :eek:
:D
I wish this was getting more headlines, it's a big deal.
Sims December 5th, 2008, 01:34 PM 3500 homes to be buildt in Ulvsunda
http://epaper.www.dn.se//DNet/e-paper/20081205/nyheter/19526393.jpg
Ulvsunda är i dag en blandning av gamla och slitna hus med massor av företag och delvis stora luckor mellan husen. Ulvsunda i framtiden är ett blandat bostads- och arbetsområde med 3 500 bostäder och ett gatunät som inte kräver bil. Planen för Ulvsunda tas i nästa vecka upp i två politiska nämnder.
Brommas bullermatta ligger som en osynlig död hand över en del av Ulvsunda. Där flygplanens landningsställ nästan nuddar hustaken finns det bara utrymme för låga platta hus för arbetsplatser. Så blir det även i framtiden, men arbetsplatsområdet under bullermattan ska rustas upp och utvecklas.
I de norra och östra delarna av Ulvsunda går det däremot att bygga bostäder. Det nya avtalet mellan staden och Luftfartsverket om Bromma, som ger verket rätt att ha flygplats till 2038, innebar också att delar av Ulvsunda hamnade utanför den bullerzon som förbjuder nya bostäder.
I de tidiga skisser till framtidens Ulvsunda som stadsbyggnadskontoret och exploateringskontoret tagit fram byggs de allra flesta av de omkring 3 500 bostäder som planen rymmer nära Bällstaviken, kring det nedlagda bryggeriet och i norra delen av Ulvsunda.
Relativt höga bostadshus speglar gavlarna i vattnet som kantas av en bred strandpromenad, några parker och flera båtbryggor. Kollektivtrafiken är i dag mycket gles, men Ulvsunda blir hållplats på båda de framtida tvärbanelinjerna från Alvik mot Solna respektive Kista.
Centrumet vid Bromma byggs nu ut med fler butiker och i Sundbyberg – som ligger nära – finns om några år både ett klassiskt stadscentrum och en shoppinggalleria.
Det finns dock många saker att utreda innan det är dags att bygga i Ulvsunda. En rad företag kommer att tvingas flytta för att ge plats för den nya stadsdelen. För en del finns plats i de arbetsplatsområden som blir kvar, för andra kommer Bällsta gård som ligger rakt under bullermattan från Bromma att vara ett alternativ. Ett annat bekymmer i ett gammalt industriområde är allt som döljs under asfaltytor och grusplaner. Stora delar av Ulvsunda måste marksaneras innan det är dags att bygga nytt.
Exploateringsnämnden och stadsbyggnadsnämnden tar upp Ulvsunda i nästa vecka. Planen är att det i slutet av nästa år eller början av 2010 ska finnas så konkreta planer att det går att dela ut markanvisningar och börja med detaljplanearbetet. Först efter ytterligare några år – kanske 2013 – kan det bli byggstart.
– Det här kan bli ett fantastiskt bostadsområde nära vatten och nära innerstaden. Vi har länge haft ett nära samarbete med Sundbyberg om området kring Bällstaviken som kommer att få ett stort lyft de närmaste åren, säger finansborgarrådet Sten Nordin (m). Som varm anhängare av flyg på Bromma betonar Sten Nordin också att planerna för Ulvsunda och andra planer kring Bromma visar att det går att bygga bostäder i Västerort även med en flygplats.
Edit: Sorry guys no link - The article is from eDn.se (Dagens Nyheters new service which requires login)
sapmi December 7th, 2008, 02:31 AM Article about Tvärbanan (In Swedish)
http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article473511.ece
khaan December 8th, 2008, 12:13 AM This friday YIMBY was invited to a press conference with Jean Nouvel and managed to get a question answered:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/12/jean-nouvel_659.html
MP December 8th, 2008, 01:12 AM Seems like Nouvel atleast has the strongest desire to have his proposal elected. None of the others are promoting their versions like this. I kind of like it, makes it clear that he really cares about the city and his work.
sapmi December 8th, 2008, 02:31 AM Doesn't really fit in this thread, but I didn't wanted to start a new thread.
A documentary about architect Ragnar Östberg:
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1335883
He is the architect of Stockholm City Hall.
Insane alex December 8th, 2008, 10:12 PM UPDATE Sjöstadsporten (HS) 7/12
Sry, for the bad quailty of the pics (real bad lighting with a sucky camera). Only three floors to go from what I see!
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7335/hst057copyxk1.jpg
Bonus:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8988/hst053copyzl8.jpg
Swede December 9th, 2008, 07:39 AM ^If only ALL of Hammarby Sjöstad had been built that tall.
Låneproblem sinkar jättearenan
Jättebygget av Sveriges nya nationalarena Swedbank Arena hotas. Det första spadtaget skulle ha tagits under 2008. Men inga lån är klara och det råder delade meningar om vad sponsorn Swedbank har lovat.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=861516
Sad, but not unexpected. A development of this size needs loans to get built and with the economy being what it is...
sapmi December 9th, 2008, 08:14 AM ^^ Fuck Swedbank! :ohno:
Dan December 9th, 2008, 11:08 AM Hopefully it'll work out...it would be a shame otherwise.
In slightly more positive news, a large Clarion hotel connected to Arlanda has begun construction.
http://www.arlanda.se/en/Traveller-information/News/Choice-continues-rapid-expansion-with-large-new-hotel-at-Stockholm-Arlanda/
Boscorelli December 9th, 2008, 12:31 PM ^If only ALL of Hammarby Sjöstad had been built that tall.
Låneproblem sinkar jättearenan
Jättebygget av Sveriges nya nationalarena Swedbank Arena hotas. Det första spadtaget skulle ha tagits under 2008. Men inga lån är klara och det råder delade meningar om vad sponsorn Swedbank har lovat.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=861516
Sad, but not unexpected. A development of this size needs loans to get built and with the economy being what it is...
Yeah not unexpected, but on the other hand out of the 20 billion the city of Stockholm will put into the building sector some will go to secure the building of arenas for sport, but I suppose it is the Stockholm arena by globen they are thinking about, since I believe the city is behind that one?
Swede December 9th, 2008, 12:54 PM iirc almost half that 20 Gkr was already in the budget. So it's not 20 new Gkr. But it'll probably help the new arena by Globen, yeah. Not how I'd spend the money, but not something I'll protest either.
Boscorelli December 9th, 2008, 12:59 PM ^^
But they announced that it was an extra 20 billion and that it was not in the original budget, and that these new money came by selling out the city owned rental appartments and other buildings.
AW December 9th, 2008, 01:05 PM Any renders of the hotel at arlanda?
Insane alex December 9th, 2008, 03:16 PM It's really shamefull if this project gets cancelled or even delayed, this might mean we don't stand a chance of hosting the European cup! :(
Boscorelli December 9th, 2008, 03:25 PM Lucky for Malmö that they started building their Swedbank Arena before all this mess.
Boscorelli December 9th, 2008, 03:42 PM Brovakten has gone to the approval stage today and the two highrises had been raised from 18 to 20 floors!
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3343.aspx#bookmarkC10
Swede December 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM ^Looking good :) A parking ratio of just .55 is a bit high, but clearly lower than the standard 1.0, sad that Trafikkontoret wanted to raise it. Trafikkontoret or Bilfrämjandekontoret?
11433 December 9th, 2008, 05:40 PM From what I have heard there is more trouble on the horizon regarding the new national stadium than "just" financing the build. It seems that the FA have overestimated the anual return generated from the stadium and they are not even close to secure AIK as tenant wich is a cornerstone in the existing budget.
safta20 December 10th, 2008, 10:25 AM We are 1 980 000 in Stockholms Län now. :speech:
Let us all sing...
It's the FIIIIIIIIINAL COUNTDOOOOWN :rock:
Boscorelli December 10th, 2008, 04:53 PM This friday YIMBY was invited to a press conference with Jean Nouvel and managed to get a question answered:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/12/jean-nouvel_659.html
From YIMBY:
Vi människor blir lätt hemmablinda och för att få oss att förstå vilket ingrepp i miljön Slussen är visade Nouvel fotocollage på hur det hade sett ut om man hade byggt ett Slussen mitt i Venedig eller Paris. Bilderna var mycket talande. Ett Slussen bredvid Eiffeltornet eller Markusplatsen i Venedig hade radikalt förändrat vår upplevelse av dessa platser.
I which those pictures would get into cirkulation in newspapers and well basically everywhere because I think it could serve as a wakeup call for a lot of people. Havn't seen them anywhere but on that site about the project.
Insane alex December 10th, 2008, 10:31 PM Hey, did anyone see todays sthlm city's backside today? Anyway there was an advertisment from NCC featuring future devolopments and there were two new really intressting projects. One of them was ''Etapp'' 1 of the Norra Station area, called Torsplan. It looked really intressting and urban in and urban setting! I'll post a render of it later.
And there was another project, for Värthamnen, the render wasn't very good so you couldn't see much, but you could cleary see that it was a skyscraper. 40fl or higher!! Couldn't find it on NCC's homepage though...
Boscorelli December 10th, 2008, 10:51 PM ^^
No didn't see that one but please post! :)
GoSatta December 10th, 2008, 11:38 PM pdf here: http://stockholm.city.se/pdf/
but the picture was sooooooooo tiny :) but they said building start 2011
Sims December 11th, 2008, 12:13 PM ^^
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture2-1.png
extract from ncc add in sthlm city paper
Sims December 11th, 2008, 01:01 PM Torsplan:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/Picture3.png
Kristinebergshöjden:
http://www.ncc.se/PageFiles/10984/Kristinebergshojden.jpg
http://www.ncc.se/sv/Lokaler/Kontor/
Insane alex December 11th, 2008, 01:26 PM Hey, i was gonna post that! ;)
Nice and urban aren't they? :)
Insane alex December 11th, 2008, 01:31 PM Looks like the new national arena isn't getting delayed after all:
''Klart att AIK kommer spela på nya nationalarenan''
Efter många turer är det nu snart dags att sätta spaden i jorden för Sveriges nya nationalarena för fotboll, som också kommer att bli AIK:s nya hemmaarena.
- Inget avtal är undertecknat mellan oss och AIK men det är klart att AIK och bolaget kommer att komma överens. Det är bara en förhandlingsprocess som pågår. Det säger styrelseordförande för Arenastaden, Sune Reinhold till FotbollDirekt.se
Under de senaste dagarna har det spekulerats i att bygget av den nya nationalarenan skjuts på framtiden i och med att den stora samarbetspartnern Swedbank har börjat se över finansieringar av stora projekt.
Men enligt Sune Reinhold är det ingen tvekan - det blir ett bygge som startar efter nyår.
- Den 16 december ska vi ha ett styrelsemöte, då kommer alla detaljer bli klara. Då kommer vi att skicka ut en pressrelease där alla frågetecken att rätas ut, även de som finns kring AIK:s medverkan kring arenan, säger Sune Reinhold.
Projektet har dragit ut en del på tiden och just nu är man två månader efter den ursprungliga tidsplanen.
- Hade det bara varit arenan som vi skulle bygga, hade det inte varit några problem alls men vi har att planera för en hel stadsdel. Det är inte lätt att bygga ett område med gallerior, hotell och kontor intill en av de mest trafikerade järnvägarna i Sverige, så har det tagit tid att komma överens med Banverket om det hela. Men nu är vi det, så nu är det bara beslutet på styrelsemötet 16 december som ska till.
Kring AIK:s medverkan på den nya arenan har det varit flitiga diskussioner, inte minst bland supportergrupper som gärna vill ha ståplats i ett stort etage på ena kortsidan.
- Det är en förhandlingsprocess som pågår men till den 16 december ska vi vara klara.
När kan bygget i så fall påbörjas? - Så snart det bara går efter nyår.
Source, Fotbollskanalen.se: http://fotbollskanalen.se/1.762220/2008/12/10/klart_att_aik_kommer_spela_pa_nya_nationalarenan
Boscorelli December 11th, 2008, 01:35 PM ^^
Thanks for that! It really would make me happy if this is true!
safta20 December 11th, 2008, 01:38 PM Take a look at spelbomskan (http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html). I wonder which building they want to replace. Is it läkarhuset?
Boscorelli December 11th, 2008, 01:54 PM ^^
Interesting!
Danish big also has something about odenplan where it says more info about to come in october, and it's december now and still no update :(
khaan December 11th, 2008, 04:45 PM Take a look at spelbomskan (http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html). I wonder which building they want to replace. Is it läkarhuset?
Oh please let it be! I hate läkarhuset. So butt ugly that one...
Wow. The nimbies at Odenplan are gonna go berzerk over this one...
Sims December 11th, 2008, 05:15 PM Finally found some info on this previously mysterious soon completed building in Skanstull, Ringvägen 100, to be precise.
http://www.diligentia.se/upload/Faktablad_%C3%85kern%20hus%20A_080616_low.pdf
Boscorelli December 11th, 2008, 05:18 PM Take a look at spelbomskan (http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html). I wonder which building they want to replace. Is it läkarhuset?
All it says on the citys site is :
Spelbomskan 9 och 12
Ny bebyggelse för kontor och kommersiella lokaler genom rivning, om- och tillbyggnad.
Planinnehåll
Kontor 29000 kvm
Butiker 13000 kvm
If now 9 and 12 is Läkarhuset?
Swede December 11th, 2008, 06:10 PM ^The images on the architect's site make it clear to me at least that it's Läkarhuset. I'm really really liking this redevelopment of that building. Hope it gets done - maybe at the same time as Odenplan is a big hole.
GoSatta December 11th, 2008, 06:11 PM then im glad to tell you all than 9 and 12 IS Läkarhuset!
i hope they keep the hight and gice it a totalt new facade .. this is good news!!!
AW December 11th, 2008, 06:14 PM According to those renders they're gonna add some floors as well.
Boscorelli December 11th, 2008, 06:18 PM then im glad to tell you all than 9 and 12 IS Läkarhuset!
This is so nice because that bloody läkarhuset is so ugly.
Insane alex December 11th, 2008, 08:30 PM Great project! I hate Läkarhuset!
safta20 December 12th, 2008, 09:16 AM Here's Bahnhofs new Server hall Pionen. I like the interior!
http://www.bahnhof.se/pionen/gallery/images/gallery/gallery_09.jpg
http://www.bahnhof.se/pionen/gallery/images/gallery/gallery_01.jpg
http://www.bahnhof.se/pionen/gallery/images/gallery/gallery_08.jpg
Insane alex December 12th, 2008, 02:15 PM Whats bahnhof? :P
safta20 December 12th, 2008, 02:42 PM It's a company that among other things supply server halls for other companies. This is a cave under Södermalm (Vitabergsparken) where many servers are operated.
Boscorelli December 12th, 2008, 04:39 PM New pictures of the Mall of Scandinavia and the way it looks have changed:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/800/exterioryf9.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1712/exteriorabovecc4.jpg
http://www.arenastaden.se/
khaan December 12th, 2008, 05:38 PM ^^
Is it me, or do those five highrises look even more horrendous than in the original plan?
http://yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/d9483072-a506-4c04-9871-bbfe95d9fb34.jpg
Hello million programme! Seriously...
Well, hopefully the design of those are not finished yet, since we are actually looking at sketches for the mall.
Boscorelli December 12th, 2008, 05:58 PM The future city of Stockholm "promenadstaden":
http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?&d=43043&a=1345979&lid=puff_1345959&lpos=extra_0
staff December 12th, 2008, 06:27 PM The name "Mall of Scandinavia" makes be shiver - and think of that horrible Mall of America in the Twin Cities, MN.
Boscorelli December 12th, 2008, 06:44 PM Planned building plans awake the NIMBY's on Södermalm:
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2193411.svd
Insane alex December 12th, 2008, 07:24 PM The future city of Stockholm "promenadstaden":
http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?&d=43043&a=1345979&lid=puff_1345959&lpos=extra_0
This is a good step! I really like what they're saying in this clip! Great find. :)
Boscorelli December 12th, 2008, 08:04 PM A link to a "minnesanteckning" about Stockholmsarenan came up on the citys site today and the public had questions about it and the neighbours are worried.
And there are statements like "we were here first" and "build it somewhere else" and " I don't live in the neighbourhood but I'm worrid about the trees and such questions:
http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3937.aspx#bookmarkB14
Too bad that no positive people seem to have been there!
Dan December 12th, 2008, 08:13 PM What ugly buildings near the stadium... :(
khaan December 13th, 2008, 02:39 AM Planned building plans awake the NIMBY's on Södermalm:
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2193411.svd
The plans for Tobaksmonopolet that they mention are pretty good.
The plans for Reimersholme though such royally. Can you say "house-in-a-park". Oh yeah. I will not cry if that plan fails...
fetg_ December 13th, 2008, 01:25 PM http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3937.aspx#bookmarkB14
Samråd 2008-11-10 - 2008-12-19
Samrådsmöte: 2008-11-25 18:00 - 20:00
Hovets Hylla, Hovet entré 16 och 17,
Hmm, an yttrande should be emailed in before Saturday.
safta20 December 15th, 2008, 01:15 PM Gröna Lund want to expand. The model of the buildings are the old Stockholmsutställningen from the 30s and the industrial exhibition 1897.
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/86/39/64/teckning2.gif
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/86/39/64/gronanbild1b.gif
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/86/39/64/gronanbild3b.gif
Boscorelli December 15th, 2008, 02:07 PM ^^
And the ABBA museum now seem to end up at Gröna Lund, it's going to get delayed a couple of years, but Tullhuset is out as it's location.
Dan December 15th, 2008, 04:13 PM Why did the ABBA museum plans get so derailed like that? From selling tickets for an opening already in June to now switching to a new location and who knows when it'll open...
K-J N. December 16th, 2008, 12:30 PM New pic from the expansion of Kista Galleria and the square next to it.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/kistagalleria07.jpg
The new square was actually named Cyber Plaza but it looks like it will be Jan Stenbecks torg (http://www.metro.se/se/article/tt/2008/12/15/stenbeckstorg/index.xml) instead.
Swede December 16th, 2008, 06:01 PM ^Nice pic. As many of you know, I live in Kista. The mall expansion is moving along nicely now, saw it a couple of times from the subway today. I'm always intending to to a photo-tour of Kista's constructionsites, but it doesn't seem to happen. before Yule there should be time tho :)
The Grönan expansion looks awesome. I love it. Perfect choice of style and finally expanding into the lot across Almänna Gränd.
Mall of Scandinavia... the mall bit actually looks better IMO, but I'm missing the small bit of park on the roof right by the residentials along the southern edge. the 5 towers west of the arena look very very boring and very Miljonprogram, just like Anders says. The hotel... where is it? oh, there it is. Disappointing as hell. That hotel ought to be at least twice as tall.
AW December 16th, 2008, 09:59 PM ^^ Oh, is that hideous blue lowrise in Kista finally gonna be hidden by the mall expansion?? Easily the ugliest building in Kista.
AW December 17th, 2008, 02:32 PM http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=864933
Financing for the national arena has now been fixed, w00t!
khaan December 17th, 2008, 02:39 PM http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=864933
Financing for the national arena has now been fixed, w00t!
:banana::banana::cheers::cheers::okay:
fetg_ December 17th, 2008, 03:16 PM http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=864933
Financing for the national arena has now been fixed, w00t!
A few days ago:
Det första spadtaget skulle ha tagits under 2008.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3130&a=861516
And now:
Första spadtaget är planerat till den 4 maj nästa år.
Seriously, wtf is the problem with all delays in this region? In China projects often gets completed years before its shedule instead.
Sims December 17th, 2008, 04:01 PM lol well i think its cos china has a huge budget surplus and executes nimbys on the spot.
but here's more bad news regarding delays; The completion of the City tram project could be delayed until 2014
Spårväg till Kungsholmen kan försenas
Åldrande fogar i betongdäcken vid Sergels torg riskerar att försena och fördyra Cityspårvägen. Nödvändiga reparationer kan gå på över en halv miljard.
Den första studien av hur en modern spårväg kan dras från Norrmalmstorg via Centralen till Lindhagen är ute på remiss. Projektet är angeläget och det ska vara klart för trafik år 2011.
Men nu dyker det upp ett stort och dyrt frågetecken: betongdäcket som går från Hamngatan vid NK förbi Sergels torg till korsningen Drottninggatan/Klarabergsgatan. Det består av 16 betongskivor med fogar som måste renoveras inom fem till tio år. Om spårvägen ska byggas är det rimligt att detta görs innan spårvägsspåren läggs ut.
Att renovera ett betongdäck som ett stort antal butiker har som tak är ingen lätt uppgift. Förberedelserna och förhandlingarna med affärsägarna kan komma att ta åtskilliga månader, och själva arbetet kan i bästa fall vara slutfört till hösten 2013. Det skulle betyda att spårvägen inte kan stå färdig förrän 2014 och att arbetena med den inte kommer att kunna göras före arbetena med Citybanan.
– Vi diskuterar hela tiden med staden. Exakt hur det blir med fogarna vid Sergels torg är inte klart. Hur lång tid reparationerna tar beror på hur mycket man vågar låta dem påverka biltrafiken, säger Gunilla Glantz, projektledare för Cityspårvägen på SL.
Ett bekymmer förutom fördröjningen är att renoveringen kostar stora summor: enligt en första kalkyl cirka 390 miljoner kronor. Till det kommer ersättning till de butiker som tvingas stänga under renoveringen: ett tresiffrigt miljonbelopp.
Stockholms stad anser att det är rimligt att SL står för extrakostnaderna. Det är knappast troligt att SL tycker att det är landstingets sak att betala reparationer som är en följd av slitage från fyra decenniers biltrafik
From: eDn.se
Dan December 17th, 2008, 06:15 PM Annoying, but at least it's kind of a necessary thing -- not a delay because of people complaining or whatever.
sapmi December 18th, 2008, 12:31 AM Are they really gonna build the five "cloned" butt ugly free-standing buildings next to the new National Arena? They look horrible. You Yimby guys, you have to stop em! :D
http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/files/images/bildbank/mos/exterior_above.jpg
Dubrovnik December 18th, 2008, 08:13 AM Those five looks like Alphyddan in Nacka and I like Alphyddan :D
Dubrovnik December 18th, 2008, 08:15 AM http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/headers/18.jpg
today
:banana:
Boscorelli December 18th, 2008, 10:19 AM Are they really gonna build the five "cloned" butt ugly free-standing buildings next to the new National Arena? They look horrible. You Yimby guys, you have to stop em! :D
http://arenastaden.se.loopiadns.com/files/images/bildbank/mos/exterior_above.jpg
Well it's the mall that is the project on that picture so hopefully not!
But you never know! :ohno:
khaan December 18th, 2008, 01:32 PM Are they really gonna build the five "cloned" butt ugly free-standing buildings next to the new National Arena? They look horrible. You Yimby guys, you have to stop em! :D
We are doing what we can. Let me quote from our "yttrande" (http://www.yimby.se/material/arenastaden/yttrande/arenastaden_yttrande.pdf) to Solna:
"Exploateringsgraden för bostäder är för lågt satt. Vi föreslår att de norra bostadshusen flyttas ihop och att ett hus tillkommer om så är möjligt, för att på så vis öka exploateringsgraden. Likaså menar vi att några av husens höjd kan ökas. Effekten av detta skulle vara att hela området fylls med människor även efter kontorstid. Utformningen av varje bostadshus bör ges ett eget unikt arkitektoniskt uttryck och höjden bör vara varierande på husen. Det finns idag en ofta förekommande tanke om homogeni i arkitektur, takhöjder och arkitektoniska uttryck. Vi menar att man istället bör tänka blandning och variation. Människor ogillar monotona och likriktade miljöer, men trivs i blandade miljöer som kan ge olika intryck. Dessa kunskaper bör tas till vara. Vi föreslår att bostadshusen får en höjd mellan 20 – 25 våningar, istället för de föreslagna 17 – 18 våningarna. Bostadshusen bör dessutom gå ända ut i framkant/sidan på sockeln så att de helt integreras med sockelns nivå ner mot gatan. Sockeln bör höjas med en våning så att det blir 3 mot gatan och 2 mot arenan för att skapa ett tydligt stadsrum i gatunivå.
Husen påminner i planen som nu presenterats om miljonprogramsplanering, även om arkitekturen är mer tilltalande. Fem identiska punkthus utlagda intill varandra. Genom att göra den typ av ändringar som vi föreslår skapas istället en intressant och dynamisk, och därmed attraktivare, miljö.
I den norra delen finns en trappa upp till arenan och vi föreslår att en trappa även läggs i den södra delen för att på så vis skapa naturliga flöden i området. I sockeln bör det genomgående finnas affärsverksamheter som riktar sig ut mot gatan."
Unfortionately the planning of the houses seem to have gone in the wrong direction since they look even less appealing in this plan than in the previous one...
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