One big difference to Södermalmsallén though. It will be lined with buildings with public bottom floors and roads with car traffic. This will me more like an elongated park. Unnecessary mostly of course since nationalstadsparken is just besides, but since they have decided to cut people in Norra Station off from that area by very deliberate actions in the plan I guess thats why.... ;)
I don't see any streets in that picture. Only buildings, sidewalk and then park. Although there is something else that is weird. The people at the café are in a different scale than those on the sidewalk, as if the sidewalk was elevated... Which would be a really stupid solution and completely uncalled for. I have no idea how Wolodarski could reach the position he has. First he made St Eriksområdet which looks like a modern Chinese suburb copying Scandinavian architecture, with almost every detail slightly misinterpret and disproportioned, and now this. There seems to be something very fundamental blocking him to come up with something that looks serious. I don't know if it's some sort of ideology or just incompetence.

^^

The latest is 3.500 appartments!
And 14.000 workplaces.

The 3.500 appartments are of course better than the 2.500 it was rumours about a week ago or so, but of course less than the 6.000 appartments I think there was talk about initially during the reign of Kristina Axén Olin.
Okey. I think it looked bigger than "just" 3500 apartments.
But I think it looks pretty good. The buildings looks very equal though, but I guess its not the final design(?).

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.847402!images/3725053171.jpg

I know I should be happy for some height in this new part of town, but I cant lose that nagging feeling of 1960s science fiction when I look at the towers...

If you have a look at the "översiktsplan" from march last year theese ones are mentioned:

White arkitekter

AIX arkitekter

Brunnberg & Forshed arkitektkontor AB

Aleksander Wolodarski, ansvarig för stadsplanegestaltning
och arkitektsamordning

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3939.aspx#bookmarkB11

Yes, but still only as consultants developing the master plan. The city planning office don't have all the expertise in house, hence sources some of it from outside (the way you should do it, if you want to escape the inevitable banality of consensus design) - alas still with Wolodarski, in house, as head honcho (I and many with me are curious as to how in hell he managed to get and hold on to that position). AFAIK, the only project in the area to some degree of detailed design at this point is the new Karolinska complex by White. That could explain their involvement and mentioning, or simply the fact that they are a very large firm and could be involved in the master planning as well (They're mentioned as contracted by Solna council, and the new hospital is on their side of the border).

(perhaps this is HE)The trapezoidal towers might be his brainchild, and the renders are likely done to his approval, but he didn't draw the quoted images. Sure, we could have two trapezoidal towers. Will they look like those above? No.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5241/927378382.gif

I love this. Especially the building to the left. At the street level it would fit in any modern CBD with its monumentalism and the big windows.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5241/927378382.gif

http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.gaymadrid4u.com/images/photos/madrid-1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE4HEu9meSlBC3IMHTf73sna_5xlA

:banana:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5241/927378382.gif

http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.gaymadrid4u.com/images/photos/madrid-1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE4HEu9meSlBC3IMHTf73sna_5xlA

:banana:

Norra Stations is much better than the Real Madrid area. At least out of what I can see of the picture. Ok the architecture looks good in Real Madrid but it's an area mainly made for cars.

The architecture in Norra Station does not look good. But it's only visionary pictures. It will look different in the end. I do however love the density. High houses that is attached to each other and built along pedestrian sidewalks gives the cultural explosion to the area I love. New York is one of the few cities that has high density areas that suites pedestrians (not only cars) very well. This gives the lively vibrant life along the streets I love. Norra station is in this sense like New York and I love it! I do however hope that the architecture in the area will look good too.

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.847923!images/2765188518.jpg (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-vid-klara-sjo-1.847933)

Mellan 500 och 700 bostäder och en boulevard från Klarabergsviadukten till Karlberg. Det är en del av planerna för Västra City, området vid Centralstationen och Cityterminalen, som ska bli en mer levande stadsdel i Stockholms innerstad.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-vid-klara-sjo-1.847933

:cheers:

^^

Great!

And some bigger pictures of it:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8484/versiktvstracity1a.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6750/versiktvstracity3a.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4558/versiktvstracity2a.jpg

På torsdag den 23 april fattar stadsbyggnadsnämnden beslut om att sätta i gång med planarbetet. Den första byggetappen påbörjas år 2012.

^^
Pathetic. Where's the Skyscraper spine that should go there... Talk about wasting priceless space!
So incredibly boring. Stockholm, Mein Gott...

What is it for planed building between Sheraton and Stadshuset?

^^
Pathetic. Where's the Skyscraper spine that should go there... Talk about wasting priceless space!
So incredibly boring. Stockholm, Mein Gott...

Well perhaps it is not decided yet?
In the pdf presented today there are other solutions too with higher buildings as in the first picture below!
Never high enough though! ;)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1069/vstracity2.jpg
or
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6214/versiktvstracity3ab.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4479/vstracity3.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=1244318&FileName=Startpromemoria.PDF&DataSource=2

Please, let there be skyscrapers. :( An individual 80 m tall building is not a skyscraper...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5241/927378382.gif
^^
These towers reminds me of the La Défense-project Hermitage Plaza:
http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/11286_2_foster20paris1big.jpg

^^Ah that's stretching it a lot - beside two identical buildings I see no similarity to Foster's (if I remember right) pearl in Paris. But still pretty cool buildings :)

Del av kv Brädstapeln, Kungsholmen, nytt kontorshus samt påbyggnad av kontorshus

New office building and added floors on office building

Planområdets läge
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8792/bradf.jpg

Trygg Hansa-huset från luften
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4055/brad2m.jpg

Trygg-Hansahuset från korsningen Fleminggatan-Scheelegatan.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6011/brad3.jpg

The Proposal

Situationsplan (Tema arkitekter).
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3743/brad4h.jpg

Förslaget. Fleminggatan mot öster. (Tema arkitekter)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1184/brad5.jpg

Förslaget. Scheelegatan mot norr. (Tema arkitekter)
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4537/brad6.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6339.aspx#bookmarkB10

^^ Now THAT I like!

very nice:cheers:. What does the building look like today?

Prefer this proposal.
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4479/vstracity3.jpg

This one is horrible: http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1069/vstracity2.jpg

Proposal for office building "Kvarteret Brädstapeln" at Fleminggatan, Scheelegatan.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2015/flemminggatan.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7052/flemminggatan2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8876/flemminggatan3.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6339.aspx#bookmarkB10

This is really nice.

very nice:cheers:. What does the building look like today?
It looks like this. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Anders_Tengbom_hus_2.jpg)

It looks like this. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Anders_Tengbom_hus_2.jpg)

Ok Thanks. That is a really nice improvement!:)

I heard on the regional news today that they started building the museum in Vasaparken today.
What a surprise! Havn't read anything about it lately!

It looks like this. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Anders_Tengbom_hus_2.jpg)

Wow! What an improvement it will be.
At first I didn't think there was anything on that spot, and now I see why, because it was forgettable!

Wow! What an improvement it will be.
At first I didn't think there was anything on that spot, and now I see why, because it was forgettable!

I just walked by that building few days ago and already I forgot until I saw that picture. :lol:

Proposal for office building "Kvarteret Brädstapeln" at Fleminggatan, Scheelegatan.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2015/flemminggatan.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6339.aspx#bookmarkB10

YES! Fucking awesome! The annoyance-factor of that corner is very high today...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5241/927378382.gif
^^
These towers reminds me of the La Défense-project Hermitage Plaza:
http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/11286_2_foster20paris1big.jpg

And others think it's a Madrid copy if you look at it from this view in particullary I suppose.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3423/nst3ou7.png

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2015/flemminggatan.jpg

But, but.....what about our little square......?

:cry:

Looks good

And others think it's a Madrid copy if you look at it from this view in particullary I suppose.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3423/nst3ou7.png


Wow :eek:

YES! Fucking awesome! The annoyance-factor of that corner is very high today...

Would you please use a slightly better language Mr Khaan. :angel: Otherwise, I'll gossip to Swede :guns1:

Skanska wanted to change the awful Lustgården 14 building from the 80's:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/743/stadshagen3.jpg

to this:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2926/lustg14vyessinge330.jpg
(which was posted in this thread some time back)

But know it seems to have changed to this:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5351/stadshagen.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6310/stadshagen2.jpg

FÖRSLAG
Skanska avser att riva befintliga kontorsbyggnader från nivån Warfvinges väg och
uppåt samt större delen av den befintliga souterrängen. De önskar istället uppföra
moderna och ändamålsenliga kontorslokaler mot Lindhagensgatan, Strandbergsgatan
och Essingeleden. Innanför kontorsbebyggelsen, mot Warfvinges väg, planerar
de att uppföra bostäder som en fortsättning på bostadsbebyggelsen i angränsande
kvarteret Lustgården 6. Det finns ett stort behov av en förskola (fyra avdelningar),
som ska placeras inom kvarteret i anslutning till bostäderna. Bottenvåningarna
mot gatorna planeras för handel och publika lokaler för att få en mer
levande gatumiljö.
Mellan kontorsbyggnaderna och bostadshusen föreslås en entrégata, som från
Warfvinges väg ansluter till stråket genom angränsande bostadskvarteret Lustgården
6. På så sätt fullföljs tankarna om ett centralt gångstråk parallellt med Lindhagensgatan,
från Gångarenkvarteren genom f.d. Lustgården 6 upp till Warfvinges
väg. Den storskaliga kvartersstrukturen längs Warfvinges väg bryts upp med en
ny passage med trappa mellan kvarteren Lustgården 14 och 12, som förbinder
Warfvinges väg med Strandbergsgatan.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6307.aspx#bookmarkC15

A few black and whities of Norra Station:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2922/norrastation.jpg
Den nya mötesplatsen vid Gävlegatan med utblick över Norrtullsparken österut.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4935/norrastation3.jpg
Den nya Solnavägen söderut med Tors torn i fonden.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9745/norrastation4.jpg
Promenadstråkets möte med Norrtull. Till höger en ny tornbyggnad på Norrtullsterrassen.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3603/norrastation2.jpg
Norra Stationsområdet med plangräns för den första detaljplanen.

And a link to a pdf published today:

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6361.aspx#bookmarkC13

I get SOOOO tired of this mania for opening up the city blocks. Feels like they'll go to any leangth to make sure a closed urban-style block doesn't get built in Stockholm at any point in the future.
Also, the plan shows me that the planners are STILL very muych in the Courbusian mode: making plans that looks "cool" on a map, but won't work as an actual urban space.

norra Station is turning into a big dissapointment for me, the City Architect said the vision was "Stockholm's Manhattan", but what do we get? an attempt at an updated Akalla but with offices.

^^

When does "Aleksander Wolodarski, ansvarig för stadsplanegestaltning
och arkitektsamordning" retire?
Might be one thing of many that's needed! ;)

Not the best picture, but anyway, one more from Norra station:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/701/norrastation175.jpg

YES! Fucking awesome! The annoyance-factor of that corner is very high today...

I agree 100% That block is one of the reasons the connection from City to Kungsholmen/Fridehemsplan is so poor, the current situation is one that actively kills streetlife there. Combine it with SBK's anti-urbanlife Big Block. that part of Flemminggatan needs plenty of help.

I heard on the regional news today that they started building the museum in Vasaparken today.
What a surprise! Havn't read anything about it lately!

How it will look:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5523/museum2.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4403/museum.jpg

Den nya byggnaden ska rymma ytterligare två gallerier, konsthallar för tillfälliga utställningar, restaurang, men också 18 bostäder.

http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/konst-form/forsta-spadtaget-for-museum-i-vasaparken-1.848660

^^

When does "Aleksander Wolodarski, ansvarig för stadsplanegestaltning
och arkitektsamordning" retire?
Might be one thing of many that's needed! ;)

Not the best picture, but anyway, one more from Norra station:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/701/norrastation175.jpg

Looks as if it is taken from a video. Do you know where the video can be found?

^^

No I'm sorry it used to be a very small picture from this site:

http://www.einarmattsson.se/html/projekt/kommandeprojekt.htm

^^

No I'm sorry it used to be a very small picture from this site:

http://www.einarmattsson.se/html/projekt/kommandeprojekt.htm

Aah ok. Anyway thanks for the pictures!

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3603/norrastation2.jpg
Norra Stationsområdet med plangräns för den första detaljplanen.
Thanks for the map! The park actually is improved, although the best thing would of course be to skip it and connect the area to Hagaparken instead. Karolinskaplan is still the diamond of the whole proposal, everything about it looks great. I also like how they almost have integrated Wennergen's "island" into the plan.

However some things look terribly wrong:

* Norrtull is an even bigger wasteland than in the old version. It looks like a neighbourhood that has been bombed, and now the ruins of the old buildings have been erased, but nothing new has had time to be built yet.

* The streets surrounding the park aren't even connected to Norrtull, instead they make a U-turn around the park. To travel from Norra Station to Norrtull will be MORE complicated than today if this plan is realized.

* The blocks are still open, and it seems like only a few of them have real streets between them, the rest have dead ends or lawns or something. Perhaps so the residents can "grow their own food"?

* I'm also worried about the fact that buildings to the upper-left of the park have one design, and the rest another. This indicates that office buildings and residentials will be separated into different sections of the area.

* The twin towers will look silly if they are placed like that. Put them in the corners of the blocks on the other side of the street instead.

* I also don't like that it seems like they will tear down the old cozy station building. It was supposed to be kept in the old proposal.

Building of the Annedal project to start on monday!

Nu är det byggstart för det nya bostadsområdet Annedal, beläget i den nordvästra delen av Mariehäll i Bromma. Här förvandlas ett industriområde till bostadsområde, med varierande arkitektur och flera parker.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1636/annedalmodell460.jpg

*Hela området beräknas stå klart 2015.
*Under våren 2009 sker säljstarten för bostäderna inom den första etappen.
*Under augusti 2012 anordnas en boutställning i Annedal: "2012 Nya hem".
*Annedal kommer på sikt att bli en del av en ny sammanhållen region som spänner över delar av Stockholm, Sundbyberg och Solna.

This might not be everyones cup of tea but I absolutely love seeing things being built in these times!

http://www.stockholm.se/-/Nyheter/Trafik--Stadsmiljo/StockholmSundbybergAnnedal/

Skanska wanted to change the awful Lustgården 14 building from the 80's:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/743/stadshagen3.jpg

to this:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2926/lustg14vyessinge330.jpg
(which was posted in this thread some time back)

But know it seems to have changed to this:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5351/stadshagen.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6310/stadshagen2.jpg



http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6307.aspx#bookmarkC15

Totally an improvement! Teh awesomeness. This means that part of town will become even a bit more like a real city. I have hopes for that part of town actually. Lots of good proposals there.

Äckligt, alltihoppa är bara fult och äckligt, börja bygga modernt istället.

Part of LUMA 1 in Hammarby sjöstad.

Two new buildings proposed to be built in Hammarby Sjöstad with 60 appartments.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5937/luma1b.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5623/luma1c.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3513/luma1.jpg


Fabege AB har begärt planändring för del av fastigheten Luma 1 för att bygga
bostäder. Förslaget innehåller två nya hus intill Lumafabriken, på mark som idag nyttjas för parkering. Byggnaderna har garage i källarvåningarna och utformas för att smälta in i parken tillsammans med de befintliga husen på fastigheten.

Bostadsbebyggelsen föreslås uppföras i sex till sju våningar med ca 60 lgh fördelade i två huskroppar. Parkering i garagevåning har infart ifrån Lumagatan.
Affärslokaler ordnas i gatuplan mot Lumagatan. Den översta våningen på
respektive huskropp utförs indragen ifrån fasadliv. Ett trapphus i vardera
huskropp servar 7 respektive 6 lägenheter per våningsplan vilket borgar för god fastighetsekonomi. Förslaget visar möjligheter att gestalta trapphusen som ljusa, öppna atrier.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6353.aspx#bookmarkC15

Some more from Västra City:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7874/klarabergsgatan200.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6057/klarabergsgatan2020.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2544/60731586.png

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9715/76739791.png

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8245/55153039.png

http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html

Pic taken from the terace at Clarion Sign yesterday:

http://bayimg.com/image/fapaoaabd.jpg

Some more from Västra City:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7874/klarabergsgatan200.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6057/klarabergsgatan2020.jpg


A new highrise, a new tram, more advertisment on the facades and... what is the organic white thing over the street?

How can "Noll Alternativet" be both? ;D

A new highrise, a new tram, more advertisment on the facades and... what is the organic white thing over the street?

I think it looks like a tramstop?

How can "Noll Alternativet" be both? ;D

Thought about that too, a bit strange!

Pic taken from the terace at Clarion Sign yesterday:

http://bayimg.com/image/fapaoaabd.jpg

Really nice picture! Had drinks did you?

Some more from Västra City:



http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.htmlDoes this mean that we might see two new highrises in stockholm inner city?

Västra City is a bit disappointing for me, the level of exploitation is too low. IMO the buildings should be raised 5-10 floors for the entire area from Centralen to Norra Station.

The visions of how Klarabergsgatan will look do look great, but based on how developments get down-sized in Stockholm we'll be lucky to get new buses.

* The twin towers will look silly if they are placed like that. Put them in the corners of the blocks on the other side of the street instead.



Yeah or they could have gone for four of them, then two of them would have ended on your corners, if I understood you correctly.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5236/image13wh4.jpg

Så har då politikerna bestämt sig för vilket av de fem beställda arkitektförslagen för Slussen som de vill gå vidare med. Resultatet är inte överraskande. Det avgörande argumentet visade sig till sist bli exploateringen. Ju fler kvadratmeter nybyggnad som kan pressas in för att ge pengar tillbaka, desto högre har uppenbarligen förslagen rankats. Detta är också just det argument som många fruktat skulle snedvrida resultatet av tävlingen. Nya hus måste kunna motiveras av att de skapar rumsliga och stadsbildsmässiga kvaliteter, inte av att de behövs för att räkna hem projektet, skrev Hans Henrik Brummer och Martin Rörby från Skönhetsrådet i SvD:s debatt om Slussen.

Så blev det alltså inte. Här har byggrätterna blivit hårdvaluta och därmed kan vi glömma de vida utblickar som idag präglar Slussen. Det vinnande förslaget av Foster + Partners och Berg Arkitektkontor murar igen Södermalmstorg så att det där inte blir mycket kvar av den vidunderliga utblicken ner över Gamla stan. En ny stadsfront byggs upp längs vattnet på Södersidan, kantad av en strandpromenad som läggs i skugga av de nya husen.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/mer/kommentar/artikel_2776465.svd


:applause:

I really, really don't care at all about the "views" from Slussen. Views from what part of Slussen, exactly? From the waterfront we'll get at least as good views. From Katarinahissen the views will stay pretty much to say. Is it the view from the subway entrence they're worried about? I don't get that argument at all.

The ney-sayers are IMO bitter that they didn't manage to stall it all until such time as lives were lost from falling concrete.

^^

http://www.gfkonsult.se/Norconsult/Sidor/Bilder/slussen.jpg

Oh noes!
See how tall the building on the far left (the hotel) is? that's about as tall as the new buildings will be. The view will improve IMO especially since we no longer have to look at that freeway intersection of crumbling concrete.

From the waterfront we'll get at least as good views. From Katarinahissen the views will stay pretty much to say. Is it the view from the subway entrence they're worried about? I don't get that argument at all.

I agree. It's only a good thing that Södermalmstorg becomes an enclosed plaza. I think todays vastness all the way from T-banan to the bridges is a big problem. Much better to move the city front out towards the water. As you say Swede, the view over the water will not get any worse. And the way you meet the view will probably be more dramatic, first passing though an enclose with only hints of what's behind, and then after a short walk you meet the fantastic panorama.

^^

Agree with Swede, no big loss!

But have a look at this one, like it or not?
Might be hard to tell by this drawing, but no I don't think I will like it. Might be surprised later on who knows.

SÖDERSJUKHUSET 10 ON
SÖDERMALM RINGVÄGEN 10 floors from Ringvägen (34 appartments)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5335/sdersjukhuset10.jpg

Förslaget innehåller ett bostadshus med 34 lägenheter i 10 våningar där de två
nedersta våningarna mot Ringvägen inrymmer lokaler. Från Sjukhusbacken
kommer byggnaden att vara 6 våningar. Huset placeras snett i förhållande till
Ringvägen för att möjliggöra en gång- och trappförbindelse genom byggnaden (en
portik) samt för att undvika ett befintligt ledningsstråk som av tekniska och
projektekonomiska skäl avses ligga kvar. Byggnaden sträcker sig delvis utanför
området för markanvisningen, vilket har godkänts av exploateringskontoret. De
två nedersta våningarna mot Ringvägen föreslås utformas med en indragen
gavelfasad för att markera platsen, skapa attraktiva lokaler med en hög
stadsmässighet.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____6350.aspx

I agree. It's only a good thing that Södermalmstorg becomes an enclosed plaza. I think todays vastness all the way from T-banan to the bridges is a big problem. Much better to move the city front out towards the water. As you say Swede, the view over the water will not get any worse. And the way you meet the view will probably be more dramatic, first passing though an enclose with only hints of what's behind, and then after a short walk you meet the fantastic panorama.

Det underbara är ju när söder öppnar sig mot Mälaren, Gamla Stan, Riddarfjärden, Stadshuset, Solnedgången bakom stadshuset är World Class...

Bygg ingen mur av hus framför allt detta.

:bash:

No highrise here according to Folkpartiet who will vote against it.
And then it will probably fall won't it? If not the social democrats votes with the other ruling parties in the city I suppose.
Or perhaps the decision they are taking tommorrow is not about details like hight!
But anyway No highrises at all in the inner city of Stockholm for Folkpartiet.
Because it is up today thursday 23/4 for decision isn't it?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8245/55153039.png

http://svtplay.se/v/1529793/alliansen_oense_om_skyskrapor_i_city

^^

Vision 2030....Its so slow, we will be all dead and buried :lol:

^^

Vision 2030....Its so slow, we will be all dead and buried :lol:

There are different stages in the project you know! ;)

2012, 2020 and 2030!

If done the highrise part start 2012!

Ah...ok, then I am still around, alive and kicking

:D

2030? What the bloody hell...
Some bigger as well as smaller cities in Europe and elsewhere can build all of that in just a matter of years. This is absolutely ludicrous. In absurdum. In other cities they build for the current inhabitants, in Stockholm we plan, plan, plan, plan, make costful studies into eternity and suddenly has so much time passed by that we come up with the following brilliant idea - why not make more studies (!). Yay! In the meanwhile lots and lots of other cities have flown away from us. Besides, these plans look quite mediocre to say the least. You want to think big? Fly to Moscow, fly to Madrid, fly to London, fly to Poland, heck, basically all the rest of Europe! Stockholm has become a joke.
FP is a joke... First FRA in the parliament and now this on local level in Stockholm.

^^

Well it's only the last bit with the last white building next to the Sheraton hotel and the decking to be fair!
But you are right, it's quite a wait!

Edit: Is Decking the right word? Or should it be overdecking or some other word? Bloody english! ;)

Det underbara är ju när söder öppnar sig mot Mälaren, Gamla Stan, Riddarfjärden, Stadshuset, Solnedgången bakom stadshuset är World Class...

Bygg ingen mur av hus framför allt detta.

:bash:

That's sounds to me like a very anti-Yimbyish way of arguing. I mean, a city is filled with walls of houses if you choose to see it that way. You are infact deprived of the world class view further up on Götgatan and Hornsgatan because of all the houses aligning the streets. But is that a problem?

It's just a matter of designing the front towards the view, where should you meet the panorama? Todays situation with a lot of view already when you step out of Slussens T-bana is not a very refined I think. It's just the consequence of the oversized modernistic traffic solution underneath.

First FRA in the parliament

I don't think they even bother with a special law about this in many countries. Or they already have laws that allows their secret service greater liberties than in Sweden.

please tell me all that is a joke, please, please I can not take it anymore. I hope I will be dead before I see all that crap

Södermalm bör vara stockholms manhattan,

That's sounds to me like a very anti-Yimbyish way of arguing. I mean, a city is filled with walls of houses if you choose to see it that way. You are infact deprived of the world class view further up on Götgatan and Hornsgatan because of all the houses aligning the streets. But is that a problem?

It's just a matter of designing the front towards the view, where should you meet the panorama? Todays situation with a lot of view already when you step out of Slussens T-bana is not a very refined I think. It's just the consequence of the oversized modernistic traffic solution underneath.

But is that a problem?

No cause when you come to Södermalmstorg it all opens up toward.....as I wrote earlier.

Why not build in Götaplatsen, why look down on Avenyn, No build it all in.

:)

But is that a problem?

No cause when you come to Södermalmstorg it all opens up toward.....as I wrote earlier.

:)

Yes, that's the same reason why I think it's possible to build quite a lot on Slussen, the cityscape will still open up closer to the water and you will get the "wow" feeling there instad. And you also have the possibility to design those streets, squares with this in mind, a more intimate scale than todays vast and windy surface. The present Slussen is hardly designed with the panorama in mind. And as a bonus you will get a cosy and intimate square inside this. The experience of the city gets richer if you have the play between enclosed spaces and open spaces.

No highrise here according to Folkpartiet who will vote against it.
And then it will probably fall won't it? If not the social democrats votes with the other ruling parties in the city I suppose.
Or perhaps the decision they are taking tommorrow is not about details like hight!
But anyway No highrises at all in the inner city of Stockholm for Folkpartiet.
Because it is up today thursday 23/4 for decision isn't it?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8245/55153039.png

http://svtplay.se/v/1529793/alliansen_oense_om_skyskrapor_i_city

Hey, what happens to the city-banan entrance (or what it was called) down in vasagatan? It´s the highrise building in front of waterfront instead for that or what?!!
I thaugh that FP was for "Liberalism" This party is more of "Konservatism" for me now, i´m very discipointed!!! To h-ll whit them! :bash:
The "västra city" project needs realy more highrises projects to be an economical profit point! :ohno: OF

^I agree 100%. Build the highrise at Citybanan and build a row or two of real urban tall highrises over the tracks all the way to Solna. That would make perfect sense: financially, ecologically and urban-wise. That the skyline would change, well, yes it would. So what?

Hey, what happens to the city-banan entrance (or what it was called) down in vasagatan? It´s the highrise building in front of waterfront instead for that or what?!!


Folkpartiet voted no to the one by vasagatan, but the socialdemocrats voted with the other parties in the coalition so it wasn't stoped.

Don't know what ths Socialdemocrats think about Klarabergstorn, but Folkpartiet will vote no again, so the others in the coalition need the Socialdemocrats yet again.

I got to ask.. which party is the most yimby and nimby in stockholm? apparently its folkpartiet thats the most nimby? I would never have guessed that..

^^

Well among the right wing parties, yes!
But you´ll have to add from the left side: Miljöpartiet (the green) and Vänsterpartiet (the ex Communists)!


Don't know about who's the most YIMBY party!

Folkpartiet voted no to the one by vasagatan, but the socialdemocrats voted with the other parties in the coalition so it wasn't stoped.

Don't know what ths Socialdemocrats think about Klarabergstorn, but Folkpartiet will vote no again, so the others in the coalition need the Socialdemocrats yet again.

That's quite unexpected, but very nice to see parties setting the petty differences aside. The Folkpartiet representative is quoted as saying that the tall building will become a "solitaire" which is one of the main reasons it shouldn't be built. Well, a skyline has to start somewhere, right?

I don't think they even bother with a special law about this in many countries. Or they already have laws that allows their secret service greater liberties than in Sweden.

That's what you think. It's always nice with some self-righteousness.
But this is off-topic.

^I agree 100%. Build the highrise at Citybanan and build a row or two of real urban tall highrises over the tracks all the way to Solna. That would make perfect sense: financially, ecologically and urban-wise. That the skyline would change, well, yes it would. So what?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=34876840&postcount=4149

I got to ask.. which party is the most yimby and nimby in stockholm? apparently its folkpartiet thats the most nimby? I would never have guessed that..

All of them are a bit nimby. Some are more open about it and some are less outspoken. And then we've got the architects and other bureaucrats...

^^

Well among the right wing parties, yes!
But you´ll have to add from the left side: Miljöpartiet (the green) and Vänsterpartiet (the ex Communists)!


Don't know about who's the most YIMBY party!

The upper levels of the greens and the reds have been hijacked by green wavers, ecofascists and militant pensioners from the '68 movement. Because many young greens and reds are very yimby (!!!).

All of them are a bit nimby. Some are more open about it and some are less outspoken. And then we've got the architects and other bureaucrats...

But the question was most of both! ;)

I have absolutely no idea who's most YIMBY!

But the question was most of both! ;)

I have absolutely no idea who's most YIMBY!

Boscorelli:

Both sides. Based upon their own pseudo-political nimby "convictions"(while they get paid with huge salaries). And as I wrote before, some are more outspoken about it whilst other fake they're strikingly yimby. Stockholm is a very conservative city (no insane_alex, I don't mean politically conservative, not that conservatism). Nimbyism thrives mostly in the central parts of Stockholm where also the population is most homogenous, ethnically and economically speaking.
You'll find most yimbyism in a certain type of suburbs. It's in cosmopolitical suburbs where the architecture mostly consists of commieblocks. There, people are often very open-minded and positive to changes.

My impression is that Centerpartiet and Moderaterna is the most yimby in Sthlm. Both have suggested skyscrapers and (m) seems very into urban city-planning. But it shouldn't really be a left/right issue...

Here is some pictures from the information center of Stockholm arena. They told me that the arena will not be symmetric. Skönhetsrådet did not want see the arena from Skogskyrkogården. The arena is therefore higher and wider towards the Globe.

The arena will have 30 000 seats during UEFA matches or 34 000 seats + standings. The arena will most probably be lit in different colors like Allianz arena. However nothing about the facade is decided yet. They will most probably decide the last details in September.



http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1003/p1040763.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5866/p1040765.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8676/p1040764.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9266/p1040755d.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8373/p1040750o.jpg

^^
Nice!
And is there an hotel between the Globe and the Stockholm arena? The square looking thing highrise!
I think I'd even like the Arena white.

Really nice picture! Had drinks did you?

No. I was at the press conference for the "Västra City" project. No news though, we already knew everything and presented on the yimby.se-page like a week before the rest of the press ;)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8676/p1040764.jpg

Wonderful! Standing places! And I love that it will be asymmetric, doesn't matter which way. I was fearing they would compromise it to death. Now it seems like the only remaining threat is that of the artificial turf, which, unlike the fundamental design, is something that can be fixed even if they do it wrong initially. And of course that Bajen at the moment are worse than all other teams except Djurgårn. :lol: But that can also be fixed.

Wonderful! Standing places! And I love that it will be asymmetric, doesn't matter which way. I was fearing they would compromise it to death. Now it seems like the only remaining threat is that of the artificial turf, which, unlike the fundamental design, is something that can be fixed even if they do it wrong initially. And of course that Bajen at the moment are worse than all other teams except Djurgårn. :lol: But that can also be fixed.

They will probably use artificial turf. There will be many other events than football and the roof that will keep the stadium 22 degrees warm will cause the natural turf to be in a bad condition. I guess we have to get used to artificial turf just like they had to get used to the leader ball once upon a time.

But we are at least not lonely. England, Russia Barcelona FC is one of many clubs that have used artificial turf in fixtures for the European Championships and/or football schools...

They will probably use artificial turf. There will be many other events than football and the roof that will keep the stadium 22 degrees warm will cause the natural turf to be in a bad condition. I guess we have to get used to artificial turf just like they had to get used to the leader ball once upon a time.

But we are at least not lonely. England, Russia Barcelona FC is one of many clubs that have used artificial turf in fixtures for the European Championships and/or football schools...

I did by the way put artificial turf on my balcony last week just to get used to it:cheers:

I did by the way put artificial turf on my balcony last week just to get used to it:cheers:

Take it easy, they say it's easier to sustain injuries on plastics. :lol:

Bad news! :ohno:

Spårsatsningar skjuts på framtiden

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Publicerad: 21 april 2009, 22.25. Senast ändrad: 21 april 2009, 22.33

SAKNAR PENGAR | Flera kollektivtrafikprojekt som planeras i Stockholms län riskerar att skjutas upp. Orsaken är oklarheter kring finansieringen. När trafikmyndigheterna igår kom med sitt första diskussionsunderlag för hur de nationella infrastruktursatsningarna ska fördelas fram till 2011, saknas pengar till tvärbanor nästan helt.

När Carl Cederschiöld i december 2007 lämnade in den så kallade Stockholmsöverenskommelsen till regeringen, var det efter många månader av nötande för få fram den lista på trafiksatsningar, som ska lösa knutarna i Stockholmstrafiken.

Stockholmsregionen väntas växa med cirka 500000 invånarna de närmaste 25 åren. För flera av de planerade trafikobjekten räknade politikerna med statlig finansiering, i vissa med bidrag upp till 50 procent. Men när trafikmyndigheterna – Vägverket och Banverket – nu kommer med sitt första skissartade förslag till regionerna om hur de statliga infrastrukturpengarna ska fördelas, fattas många av de stora projekten på listan. Underlaget ska fungera som diskussionsmaterial i landets regioner för hur regeringens anslagna 417 miljarder kronor till nya infrastruktursatsningar ska fördelas.

–Jag hade verkligen hoppats på statliga pengar till tvärbanorna. Ett projekt som Spårväg syd är det ju nu inte säkert att det blir av under den här planeringsperioden, säger Lars Dahlberg (S), oppositionslandstingsråd, och vice ordförande i SL.

Till Spårväg syd,den tvärspårväg som landstinget, Stockholms stad och Huddinge kommun planerat tillsammans och som ska binda samman Älvsjö med Flemingsberg, avsätts inga statliga pengar, enligt förslaget.

Ett annat problem som drabbar Stockholmöverenskommelsen är att priskalkylen ändrats avsevärt sedan december 2007.

I mars i år konstaterade Stockholms läns landsting i en första uppföljning att de beräknade kostnaderna för trafiksatsningarna i Stockholmsöverenskommelsen under 2008–2012 ökat från 53 till 70 miljarder kronor, en ökning med 30 procent. Kostnaden har ökat mest för spårprojekten.

–Men Cederschiöldsöverenskommelsen har ju också räknat lågt, säger Hans Öhman, regiondirektör på Banverket.

På de statliga verkens prioriteringslista finns bara ett mindre ekonomiskt bidrag till lokala spår. Exempelvis anslås 646 miljoner kronor till Tvärbana Solna, som SL:s styrelse beslutade om igår, ett projekt som väntas kosta 5,2 miljarder kronor. Finansieringen av banan, som ska börja byggas 2009, är osäker.

Oppositionen har reagerat starkt mot den osäkra finansieringen. Yvonne Blombäck, MP:s ledamot i SL:s styrelse, tycker att kollektivtrafiksatsningar får stryka på foten.

–Det fattas en massa beslut som det inte finns ekonomisk täckning för. Det blir landstinget som får betala bördan, och i slutändan blir ju skattebetalarna, säger Yvonne Blombäck, som också reagerar över att pengarna för trängselskatten öronmärkts för vägsatsningar.

I länets kommuner är intresset för att skjuta till investeringspengar måttligt. I Sundbyberg är lokalpolitikerna bekymrade över två tvärbanor, varav den ena ska trafikera den nya stadsdelen Ursvik. Men kommunalrådet i Sundbyberg Jan Jogell (S), säger att kommunen inte kommer att skjuta till mer pengar.

–Vi tycker redan att vi bidrar till medfinansiering genom att flytta våra vägar och våra vattenledningar när tvärbanan ska fram, och det kostar rätt mycket pengar. Den medfinansieringen räcker, säger Jan Jogell.

Han kallar förslaget Stockholmsfientligt. De dåliga tiderna gör det ännu svårare för kommunerna att skjuta till pengar, resonerar han.

–SL:s vd har ju varit ute med mössan i hand och bett att få in 2 miljarder kronor från Stockholm, Sundbyberg och Solna. Men de pengarna finns ju inte. 2010 och 2011 att gå med stora underskott. De statsbidrag vi får, de kommer att gå till välfärden.

Christer G Wennerholm, trafiklandstingsråd (M), och ordförande i SL:s styrelse, ser inga problem med att SL fattar beslut utan att finansieringen är klar. Det handlar om att ha framförhållning i planeringen, och därför kunna få fördel när de statliga definitivt delas ut. Han är inte orolig.

–I Cederschiöldsförhandlingen var den spårbundna trafiken högt prioriterad, säger han.

Samtidigt som den nationella planen diskuteras, arbetas också den regionala trafikplanen fram, under landshövdingen Per Unckels samordning.

SVD.se
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2775735.svd

Here is some pictures from the information center of Stockholm arena. They told me that the arena will not be symmetric. Skönhetsrådet did not want see the arena from Skogskyrkogården. The arena is therefore higher and wider towards the Globe.

The arena will have 30 000 seats during UEFA matches or 34 000 seats + standings. The arena will most probably be lit in different colors like Allianz arena. However nothing about the facade is decided yet. They will most probably decide the last details in September.



http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1003/p1040763.jpg

I forgot to mention that you will always be able to see the match (i.e through panorama windows or monitors) more or less wherever you are. So we won't miss the match if we by a hot dog anymore! I wonder if they will have monitors in the toilets too. I hope so...

Bad news! :ohno:
I think that exact link was posted a few pages ago... ;)

Even so, It IS horrible. And guess what? No new railprojects, but the roads are getting 40 000 000 000 SEK iirc. So to say there's no money is a bold faced lie. Expecially since there's funds specifically set aside in the City for building infrastructure (not new money, OLD money that they won't use).

Oh ok, must've missed it. Sorry to remind you lol

Proposal for some houses by Drottningholmsvägen close to Brommaplan.
I think it's where some tents for sport are standing now?

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1217/riksby.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3686/riksby2.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2158/riksby3.jpg

Looking very, very modest.

I've seen some buildings in Prague in the same style, I like it.

IMO the style is fine, but the scale is too small. This is right by the main road into the city from the near western 'burbs and right by a big suburban public transit hub. Double or triple the height, por favor.

I went on a walk today in sunny Stockholm. From Liljeholmstorget, liljeholmskajen continuing with the tram to södra Hammarbykajen and finally Hammarby Sjöstad.

Here are some pics with phonecam quality.

Liljeholmsgallerian
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/hasse78/stockholm%20mm/DSC01957.jpg


Liljeholmskajen/Årstakajen... I forgot the name.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/hasse78/stockholm%20mm/DSC01961.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/hasse78/stockholm%20mm/DSC01962.jpg

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Södra Hammarbykajen
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http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/hasse78/stockholm%20mm/DSC01965.jpg


Hammarby Sjöstad
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Lovely update!

HS looks good, don't get what your bitching about;D

Hasse78

:okay:

Yes nice update, thanks!

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00461/sthlmpuff_461843b.jpg (http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd)

Stockholm satsar på en stor kongressanläggning mitt i stan, och var och varannan kommun plöjer ner pengar i en ny evenemangsarena. Det pågår en kamp om turister, evenemang och investeringar. Med påkostade byggen försöker städerna öka sin attraktivitet, men kritikerna frågar sig om satsningarna är vad invånarna vill ha.


http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd

:cheers:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00461/sthlmpuff_461843b.jpg (http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd)

Stockholm satsar på en stor kongressanläggning mitt i stan, och var och varannan kommun plöjer ner pengar i en ny evenemangsarena. Det pågår en kamp om turister, evenemang och investeringar. Med påkostade byggen försöker städerna öka sin attraktivitet, men kritikerna frågar sig om satsningarna är vad invånarna vill ha.


http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd

:cheers:
Hahaha! Its the same journalist Elisabeth Andersson who writes all the negative articles in SvD about building projects in Sthlm right now. She clearly has an agenda, The NIMBY agenda!:nuts:

Yeah, she makes it sound like it's the City paying for these projects. Guess what? it isn't! The City is making money from these projects! gah!
Of the 66% of vote on that site that Stockholm should spend money on other things:
1. how many understand that the projects named are not about spending public money but making money for the City and other public entities?
2. how many would agree on any other batch of projects? It could very well be that this is the most popoular possible combination!!!

Is this journalism? I'd hesitate to call it that :no:

These are all articels that that she has written in the last couple of weeks:
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2648299.svd
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_880957.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2666975.svd

I mean, come on!

These are all articels that that she has written in the last couple of weeks:
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2648299.svd
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_880957.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2666975.svd

I mean, come on!

It's SvD? Who is surprised? They are worse then Aftonbladet when it comes to questions about architecture and building anything in the city.
Dagens Nyheter (DN) also used to be like this, but they have improved significantly.

NIMBY eller YIMBY eller mambo jambo, det är bra att det skrivs om arkitektur överhuvudtaget.

:gunz:

NIMBY eller YIMBY eller mambo jambo, det är bra att det skrivs om arkitektur överhuvudtaget.

:gunz:

Well, you just came out of the closet as a Nimby yourself so of course your satisfied with those articles:lol:

These are all articels that that she has written in the last couple of weeks:
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2648299.svd
http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_880957.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2666975.svd

I mean, come on!
WTF!

I it would be ok if she wrote that in at personal blog, but now I don't consider SvD as "fair and balanced" media outlet anymore. Yeah I know, it's in the cultural section, but that doesn't mean I will accept all kinds of shit. Either they stop publish those biased architecture articles or I stop recommend SvD!

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00461/sthlmpuff_461843b.jpg (http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd)

Stockholm satsar på en stor kongressanläggning mitt i stan, och var och varannan kommun plöjer ner pengar i en ny evenemangsarena. Det pågår en kamp om turister, evenemang och investeringar. Med påkostade byggen försöker städerna öka sin attraktivitet, men kritikerna frågar sig om satsningarna är vad invånarna vill ha.


http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2794247.svd

:cheers:


I suggest that you all go to this link and write something in the chatt below the article...

Well, you just came out of the closet as a Nimby yourself so of course your satisfied with those articles:lol:

Hmm...I love 95% of all new projects, Waterfront is great. Only thing I hate is the new building that will destroy the view from Södermalmstorg.

:cheer:

WTF!

I it would be ok if she wrote that in at personal blog, but now I don't consider SvD as "fair and balanced" media outlet anymore. Yeah I know, it's in the cultural section, but that doesn't mean I will accept all kinds of shit. Either they stop publish those biased architecture articles or I stop recommend SvD!
No paper culture's section is worth anything. DN's is even worse...it is like written by Västerpartiet. :P

...it is like written by Västerpartiet. :P

And who are they exactly?
People from Gothenburg? Norwegians? Americans? ;)

Well from experience they make more typos than me, oops. :P

HS looks good, don't get what your bitching about;DBecause they build a suburb next to the city, when they really should expand the city, making it more populous. If people want to live in suburbs they could move to existing suburbs or something like that. Stockholm needs to grow, people can't live in the city beacuse politicians don't want to build high. HS is a waste of potential in my opinion. Building low in a time when Stockholm face extrem growth is sooo stupid and irrational. Quite frustrating!

Pictures of the BIG proposal for "Spelbomskan 9 och 12" at Odenplan.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/982/odenplan.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1607/odenplan2.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5978/odenplan3.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2181/odenplan4.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8446/odenplan5.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9579/odenplan6.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5121/odenplan7.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5444/odenplan8.jpg

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1867/odenplan9.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6163/odenplan10.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9659/odenplan11.jpg

Sorry not the best picture quality!

About the plan:

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____4015.aspx#bookmarkC15

This is how it looks now:

http://www.emporis.com/images/5/2008/06/625959.jpg

WOW! I'd only seen one small pic with the view from by Hard Rock. These new images... WOW! I'm liking it alot!

Great!

Yes please.

Much needed.

Sjees that thing looks ugly. It will ruin the whole city center skyline... How can you be positive about this?

No way that's gonna happen (as designed) :laugh:

But yay! And thanks for finding all those proposals and renderings Boscorelli :)

Sjees that thing looks ugly. You think? I thought you Dutchmen where a whole lot more accustomed to cutting-edge architecture. Sure you're not really Swedish? It will ruin the whole city center skyline... No it won't, infact it will be in line with the Stockholm ridge - in a sense a spine - along which several of our current high rises are located. How can you be positive about this?
Because it's extraordinary, and this city needs extraordinary more than most.

You think? I thought you Dutchmen where a whole lot more accustomed to cutting-edge architecture. Sure you're not really Swedish? No it won't, infact it will be in line with the Stockholm ridge - in a sense a spine - along which several of our current high rises are located. Because it's extraordinary, and this city needs extraordinary more than most.
Well said! I'm also happy to see something from BIG, which doesn't look like "BIG" if you understand :D

That is fucking amazing! I thought they were just gonna clean up the facade on the old one but by the looks of it it seems like they're gonna tear it down and build a completely new one!?

My issue with this building is that is too low. It seems to have 15 floors, when it should have like 120. It should be at least 5-10 times higher. It should be much higher than 200m!!

My issue with this building is that is too low. It seems to have 15 floors, when it should have like 120. It should be at least 5-10 times higher. It should be much higher than 200m!!
:nuts:

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.854170!images/2902329538.jpg

Området runt Globen ska i framtiden förvandlas till Söderstaden - en ”evenemangs- och nöjesknutpunkt” med idrotts- och kulturarrangemang, enligt den vision som den borgerliga majoriteten presenterade på tisdagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-i-johanneshov-1.854154

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.854170!images/2902329538.jpg

Området runt Globen ska i framtiden förvandlas till Söderstaden - en ”evenemangs- och nöjesknutpunkt” med idrotts- och kulturarrangemang, enligt den vision som den borgerliga majoriteten presenterade på tisdagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-i-johanneshov-1.854154
The area looks ok today, but this is better.

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.854170!images/2902329538.jpg

Området runt Globen ska i framtiden förvandlas till Söderstaden - en ”evenemangs- och nöjesknutpunkt” med idrotts- och kulturarrangemang, enligt den vision som den borgerliga majoriteten presenterade på tisdagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-i-johanneshov-1.854154

Before anyone start wining about boring architecture... this is only visionary pictures;)

Pictures of the BIG proposal for "Spelbomskan 9 och 12" at Odenplan.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/982/odenplan.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1607/odenplan2.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5978/odenplan3.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2181/odenplan4.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8446/odenplan5.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9579/odenplan6.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5121/odenplan7.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5444/odenplan8.jpg

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1867/odenplan9.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6163/odenplan10.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9659/odenplan11.jpg

Sorry not the best picture quality!

About the plan:

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____4015.aspx#bookmarkC15

This is how it looks now:

http://www.emporis.com/images/5/2008/06/625959.jpg


Good pics, Boscorelli.
I think this will be a very god one.
Almost like a Mini Turning Torso on Odenplan!

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.854170!images/2902329538.jpg

Området runt Globen ska i framtiden förvandlas till Söderstaden - en ”evenemangs- och nöjesknutpunkt” med idrotts- och kulturarrangemang, enligt den vision som den borgerliga majoriteten presenterade på tisdagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ny-stadsdel-planeras-i-johanneshov-1.854154

Incredible! :banana:

It looks like an actual proper expansion of the city centre. Can't wait to see the actual street grid.

Let's hope it's built before 2030 like it says in the article.

God in heaven pleace make this come true.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/982/odenplan.jpg

Stockholmsarenan
Johanneshov

Renders by White Arkitekter

http://a.imageshack.us/img9/541/presssid47vyfransoderst.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img695/4807/arenatorgetl.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img828/9044/pressvynynasvagenlstock.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3937.aspx#bookmarkB14

There is an article in the latest issue of Mitt i Kista that Peab wants to build a new 14 to 16 stories high office and apartment building in Tensta. No pictures though.
http://karta.hitta.se/starcus/X/images/00/1109300.jpg
It would replace this building.

^Just read the same thing. The proposal is very interesting. Replacing a 3 floor office building in a concrete suburb with a tower of about 15 floors where the first 7 would be offices and the rest rentals (Tensta is dominated by co-ops). A very good thing for Tensta IMO! the actual urban planning of the new building is VERY important as well, do it right and it'll be an awesome addition for Tensta. And hopefully a sign of more projects.

Extremely important for a area like Tensta, I hope this becomes a trend. Tensta badly needs variety. :applause:

Wisconsin rules....!!!

In case you ware wondering.

Stockholm....Not so much as Wisconsin...

According to todayss SvD the Swiss architecture firm Herzog & de Meuron going to redesign the two gas holder in Hjorthagen.

According to todayss SvD the Swiss architecture firm Herzog & de Meuron going to redesign the two gas holder in Hjorthagen.

Do you have a link?

Do you have a link?

Can't find it on the website. Heres a photo of the newspaper:

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/Svd032-1.jpg

^^

Interesting!

Gasklocka 1 for the Opera is being done by AIX arkitekter.

http://www.aix.se/aix/default.asp

Stockholm får nytt landmärke i Norra Djurgårdsstaden
april 30th, 2009
Stockholms stad har beslutat sig för att markanvisa en del av gasverksområdet, de så kallade stålklockorna, i Norra Djurgårdsstaden till Oscar Properties. Förslaget innebär att med medverkan från en internationellt uppmärksammad arkitektbyrå skapa ett landmärke som innefattar cirka 400 lägenheter samt kulturella och kommersiella lokaler.

– Norra Djurgårdsstaden är med sitt läge nära både city, vattnet och Nationalstadsparken ett av Stockholms viktigaste stadsutvecklingsområden. Planerna för området inkluderar höga miljöambitioner och en tydlig kulturell profil. Därför är det väldigt spännande att nu tillföra ett nytt landmärke på området där stålklockorna idag står. En byggnad av högsta arkitektoniska kvalitet kan tillsammans med exempelvis operasatsningen i en av Bobergs gasklockor verkligen markera den framtida stadsdelens stora potential, säger finansborgarrådet Sten Nordin (M).

– Gasverksområdet kommer att bli en spännande stadsdel som blandar gammalt och nytt av högsta klass. Jag är mycket glad över att stjärnarkitekterna Herzog & de Meuron kommer att vara med i arbetet med framtidens stålklockor. De lägenheter som skapas här kommer utan tvekan vara några av Stockholms mest spektakulära, säger stadsbyggnads- och fastighetsborgarrådet Kristina Alvendal (M).

– Förslaget innebär inte bara att Stockholm får en märkesbyggnad i världsklass i ett område som redan har stort kulturhistoriskt värde. Det innebär också ett betydande tillskott av moderna miljöprofilerade bostäder. Särskilt tilltalande är det att dessa bostäder tänks integreras med kommersiella och kulturella lokaler som blir tillgängliga för alla stockholmare, säger Sten Nordin (M).


http://pocket.moderaterna.net/alvendal/

Del av kvarteret Tegeludden

The change from an office to a residental building has been approved for this Building at Gärdet.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6421/tegeludden6.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9590/tegeludden3.jpg


http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____3905.aspx

^ Looks better as it is today imo. The new design is too inconsistent to my taste.. makes it look messy, in a bad way. Nice to see a couple more floors though.

^ Looks better as it is today imo. The new design is too inconsistent to my taste.. makes it look messy, in a bad way. Nice to see a couple more floors though.

I'm not that fond of the design either. It's the "I dream of a house in the woods but still want the life of the big city" all over again.
People need to choose. And they often do to, just that the construction companies refuse to build that kind of stuff...

^ Looks better as it is today imo. The new design is too inconsistent to my taste.. makes it look messy, in a bad way. Nice to see a couple more floors though.

What ever one has to say about how the new design looks or how it could have looked, I definitely think is an improvement, for me it looks much better than it does today.

^^I agree, way better!

What ever one has to say about how the new design looks or how it could have looked, I definitely think is an improvement, for me it looks much better than it does today.

:okay:

What can I say. Tastes differ, but I still think the new design is horrible. It's nice enough in the details but really tacky as a whole. Still, it's nice to get some residentials in the area :)

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/for-dyrt-att-grava-ned-t-banan-vid-gamla-stan-1.858266

Cry me a river, Lars Epstein!

If it could be done over-night for a reasonable cost, I'd like to put that part of the subway in a tunnel. But the costs and disruptions make it IMO completely unrealistic. If I could just snap my fingers and it'd be done, sure - then I'd also get rid of Centralbron's freeway (maybe replaced by Österleden) and leave only the inter-city rail but make that one 4 tracks.

BUT. Getting there would take shitloads of money and disrupt things immensely. We could use the money so much better building new infrastructure elsewhere.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/for-dyrt-att-grava-ned-t-banan-vid-gamla-stan-1.858266

Cry me a river, Lars Epstein!

Perfect! It's not the subway that's bringing the area down, it's Centralbron.
IMO, the subway contributes to the urban feel of the area.
Imagine how horrible it would look with only Centralbron left in view.

http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.stockholmskallan.se/php/fupload/Tunnelbanan_mellan_Slussen_och_Gamla_stan.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEopgNqPb71wTt4kAGnkLR2h7SsHQ

I just love when the subway gets out from the tunnel and the view over Gamla Stan. Keep it as it is.

Söderleden on the other hand is just awful, liberate Gamla Stan and Riddarholmen from it.

:cheers:

New project in the archipelago. Brf Kalksilon. I like the look.

http://almequity.se/files/34OOOEKx.jpg

http://farm2.pics.objektdata.se/pic/pic.dll/image?url=17841/SFD3535C570854C4535AFFC702B124E1920.jpg&sizex=520

New project in the archipelago. Brf Kalksilon. I like the look.



Interesting!
Where in the archipelago is it located?

/\ Oaxen.

So it would be like an island resort? Way cool :)

Proposal for office building "Kvarteret Brädstapeln" at Fleminggatan, Scheelegatan.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2015/flemminggatan.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7052/flemminggatan2.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8876/flemminggatan3.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6339.aspx#bookmarkB10

:nuts: Just read and watch the clip!
What the heck is wrong with Stadsmuseet?

http://svt.se/2.33538/1.1543362/strid_om_trygg-hansahusets_framtid?lid=senasteNytt_363718&lpos=rubrik_1543362

:nuts: Just read and watch the clip!
What the heck is wrong with Stadsmuseet?

http://svt.se/2.33538/1.1543362/strid_om_trygg-hansahusets_framtid?lid=senasteNytt_363718&lpos=rubrik_1543362

LOL :bash:, but it sounds like the "city museum's" protest is going to be ignore, thank god

Perfect! It's not the subway that's bringing the area down, it's Centralbron.
IMO, the subway contributes to the urban feel of the area.
Imagine how horrible it would look with only Centralbron left in view.

I agree with you. STHLM's Centralbron is quite possibly the fugliest bridge in the city! :puke:
Utility I know, but still an UGLY bridge in the middle of a beautiful city. :pet:

LOL :bash:, but it sounds like the "city museum's" protest is going to be ignore, thank god

Yeah according to Kristina Alvendal:
Stadsmuseet has now disqualified them selves! :cheers:

Some updates of Sjöstadsporten.
View from Hammarbybacken
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_05191.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0534.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0537.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0539.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0541.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0536.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq227/sojkino/DSC_0551.jpg

Those pictures are amazing. Does anyone know the name of the hill in the far distance of the first picture (a bit right, in the middle)?

Those pictures are amazing. Does anyone know the name of the hill in the far distance of the first picture (a bit right, in the middle)?

Its Vitabergs Parken and the church is Sofia kyrka. At least i think so?

I think it might be Ullnabacken in Arninge close to Täby, but im not sure.
http://hem.bredband.net/k_bergenfeldt/slopes/ullnabacken/ullna_ost.jpg

Thanks for the info :)

Rinkeby-Kista

Edit: Updated with 3 new pictures by Wingårdhs Arkitekter

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3869/isafjord2020ericsson200.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/627/isafjord2020ericsson200g.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3869/isafjord2020ericsson200.jpg


Last year some pictures where posted about Isafjord 1 and some additional info and pictures are now up on the city's sbk site:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2228/isafjord.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6317/isafjord2.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6066/isafjord3.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4960/isafjord4.jpg

http://insynsbk.stockholm.se/Byggochplantjansten/Pagaende-planarbete/PagaendePlanarbete/Planarende/?JournalNumber=2008-14572

Sweet!

Sojkino

Great update from Sjöstaden :okay:

Looks great!

I sorta hoped they would go tall in Kista.

From a new pdf about Norra station.

Stadsbyggnadsnämnden:

I stockholmsområdet råder det brist på riktigt urbana miljöer, och
när vi nu läker ett av stadsvävens största sår ges en historisk
möjlighet att binda samman två städer med arkitektur av
internationell kvalitet. Stadsbyggnadsnämnden är förtjust över att
se hur planeringen fortsätter. Den gestaltningsmässiga mångfald
som föreslås i ärendet är mycket bra. För att skapa stad och inte
bara bygga bostadsområden krävs just en stor variation av uttryck
som kan blandas relativt fritt. Att hushöjderna differentieras är
också väldigt välkommet, men vi vill framhålla att om detta kräver
en ökning av den totala exploateringsnivån för att inte minska
antalet lägenheter bör detta också genomföras.

Stadsbyggnadsnämnden vill understryka vikten av att de
kommande invånarna i denna stadsdel måste betjänas av
kapacitetsstark kollektivtrafik. Det är mycket angeläget att den
föreslagna utbyggnaden av tunnelbanan blir verklighet. Samtidigt
vill vi också påminna om vårt ställningstagande för det som i SL:s
förstudie ”Ny tunnelbana mellan Odenplan och den nya stadsdelen
Karolinska-Norra Station” kallas alternativ 2. Genom att placera
en uppgång i Solna och en i Stockholm tunnelbaneförsörjs den nya
stadsdelens båda centrala punkter, det vill säga dels det nya
sjukhuset och dels det nya stadsdelscentrumet vid Torsplan.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6361.aspx#bookmarkC13

Sorry in Swedish.

Folkpartiet voted no to the one by vasagatan, but the socialdemocrats voted with the other parties in the coalition so it wasn't stoped.

Don't know what the Socialdemocrats think about Klarabergstorn, but Folkpartiet will vote no again, so the others in the coalition need the Socialdemocrats yet again.

Västra city!

Looks like Folkpartiet won this round!

§ 11
Västra City, Norrmalm, Dnr 2008-03662-53
Beslut
1 Stadsbyggnadsnämnden beslutade att bordlägga ärendet.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6347.aspx#bookmarkB13

Sad news, but not really unexpected, is it? All projects get pushed back by administrative stuff like that.

I sorta hoped they would go tall in Kista.
The renders for that superblock have always shown lowrises in a semi-urban setting, so I'm not that dissapointed. I do like the Victoria Tower sticking up into one of the pics. What keeps disspointing me tho is the lack of urbanity. It will still feel like a suburban office park when all of that is built. Needs more density and more diverse uses - and needs real retail spaces along all the way along at least the main streets (which higher density and diverse uses would enable).

Just like how the winning Slussen proposal from Foster + Partners and Berg Arkitektkontor was a reduced version the municipal authorities had asked Wingårdh for a revised version as well (the original buildings was too massive). This is what the remodeled Wingårdh draft looked like.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/slussenwingardhversion2a.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/slussenwingardhversion2b.jpg

The original version
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3989/wingardhte0.jpg

I think it's nice that the architect offices have changed focus from designing buildings to designing urban space. However, I think both Foster's and Wingård's recent plans lack something exciting. As I said it dont't have to be a big landmark, it could just as well be a remodelled Katarinahissen, something that can become characteristic for this place. I hope they will have time and oportunity to develop this further on in the process.

Winning proposal for Slussen trashed by Skönhetsrådet!

http://svt.se/2.33538/1.1549324/slussenforslaget_sagas?lid=puff_1549324&lpos=lasMer

^Completely unsurprising. Of course they'd thrash it, they're against noticeable changes.

Konstakademien dömer ut planerna på nya Slussen i Stockholm. Även från Skönhetsrådet kommer nu kritik.

går tog Konstakademien till orda i Slussenfrågan i en annons som publicerades i SvD och DN.
Enligt Mats Edblom, preses vid akademin, är det första gången som akademin på detta sätt publicerar sina åsikter. Annonsen, som bland annat innehåller en prosadikt, varnar för att nya Slussen ska bli ”en gapande bred motorväg, en lång och ödslig gångbro”.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2857701.svd

:cheers:

Some more but rather small pictures of proposals around the city!

Sergel Plaza

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1695/continental.jpg

Solna City Hotel

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1895/solnacityhotel3.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8598/solnacityhotel2.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9249/solnacityhotel.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/600/solnacityhotel4.jpg

Mall of Scandinavia

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2756/mall2u.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6381/mall.jpg

Orgelpipan

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/orgelpipan4.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7808/orgelpipan2.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1143/orgelpipan3.jpg

http://www.reflexark.se/index.html

I love Orgelpipan. Orgelpipan + the tower across the street on the Citybanan exit + the tower further west on Klarabergsviadukten... All of a sudden we'd have a second area defined by tall buildings and not just the 5 near-clones in a row that is HötorgsCity.

Sergel Plaza - what part is new? the building on the left? if so I'd say: Go! build now!

Mall of Scaninavia: meh. The whole project strikes me more and more as very "meh".

Solna City Hotel: looking good, but the urban planning around it seems to be getting worse and worse with every year the planning goes along. Good bye any pretention at being an Urban Core, hello staying a Suburban Mall.

Orgelpipan is without a doubt the most interesting project since the Waterfront complex for downtown Sthlm, but as usual you get the oh so familiar feeling -neever gonna happen.

Some more but rather small pictures of proposals around the city!

Sergel Plaza

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1695/continental.jpg



It looks like this now:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5430/brunkebergstorg.jpg

We'll lose one of the few red modern buildings. But it'll be worth it, might bring more life to that square.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1695/continental.jpg
It looks like this now:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5430/brunkebergstorg.jpg

I think they should keep both the hotel and the red building, and only fix the ground level and perhaps add some storeys. There is nothing wrong with the red one and it is possible to reconstruct the inside from office to flats.

...and what about all the nice japanese trees:cry:

The socialdemocrats want to build a new underground that, like a ring, goes around Stockholm!

Ringen skulle binda samman Ropsten, Solna centrum, Sundbyberg, Alvik, Kungens kurva, Älvsjö och Gullmarsplan.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/s-vill-bygga-ut-t-banan-1.862472

^^ Really crazy idea... Waste of money, much money. We have already two rail connections Alvik-Gullmarsplan, we'll have tram line Alvik-Solna rather soon (det hoppas jag). Link Solna-Universitetet is the only clever part of their suggestion, but tram line would be also fine solution.

How many people need subway line between Alvik and Kungens Kurva? To make their once-a-month-journey-to-IKEA 5 min faster?

Personally for me line Liljeholmen-Fridhemsplan-Odenplan-Universutetet seems much more necessary. I'm driven mad by my journies to SU in the morning rush-hours and there is too much busses (and traffic at all) in the inner city.

^^
That subway sounds like a good idea to me.

I agree a ringline is a little too much! Build the subway to nacka already, instead!! :P

I agree with you guys :) That ringline they're proposing is completely weird, the line would zigzig from just outside the inner city to pretty damn far out. The subway line that should get built is the Blue line to Nacka (with one branch taking over the Hagsätra branch from the Green line) and a by-pass in the inner city for the Red line and eventually ones for the Green and Blue lines as well (when there is need for the capacity) giving all the branches their own lines thru the inner city. That is IMO a good vision for the future of the subway.

Transverse lines outside the inner city should be built as LRT with an eye for making as much of the lines as practical possible to convert to pre-metro or full subway if/when capacity needs make that a real need.

och, and complete the TvärbaneRing already! Alvik-Solna-SU-Ropsten-Djurgården-HammarbySjöstad.

The humongous and unnecessary ring line is nothing but a "vote for us and then we won't be able to deliver it anyway because we can't afford it!!!" tactic.

Subway to Nacka, however, I think would be good. And Swede--take a look at my last reply in the transportation sticky, they are apparently already working a bit on the Tvärbanan to Solna... :)

Why an underground ring, a tram/ligh rail ring sound alot more economical.

Ah, but the Chamber of Commerce doesn't like trams/LRT. They pretty much hate it. (btw - they represent a tiny minority of businesses in Stockholm). And S is somehow still proud/stubborn about they way they got rid of the trams in the 60s.
Both are very much stuck on the Subway/Bus combo and don't like trams/LRT.

/that's my impression and the impression of many pro-tram/LRT activists I've read. Also, it is about the whole organizations - NOT all members. I know several (active and non-active) S-members who are VERY pro LRT/trams (and very much pro rail transit and pro urbanity).

What a ridiculous proposal.
There's no way they would even fill 1/3 of a subway train on that route (especially Alvik-Sätra), it is way too far from the center.

What Sthlm would need is this:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2788/subwaystations.jpg

Stations:
- KTH (T)
- Stadion (T)
- Karlaplan (T)
- Djurgården (T)
- Sofia
- Skanstull (T)
- Södersjukhuset/Södra station (J)
- Hornstull (T)
- Marieberg/Thorildsplan (T)
- Stadshagen (T) /Karlberg
- Karolinska sjukhuset (T)
- Sveaplan

It would connect all branches and avoid T-centralen.
It would have a very good ridership, now people squeeze into the no. 4 bus but as it is very slow due to traffic people rather take other routes.
It would also give MRT connection to densely populated areas like Sofia and Sveaplan + to Karlberg which will lose it after Citybanan is finished.

The blue line should continue under Djurgården to Henriksdal where one branch would continue as Saltsjöbanan and a new branch to Nacka.

The route proposed by (s) might be realized as an LRT or trolleybus route, except for the mid part, nobody is going to build such a long brigde for so few passengers...

/or

What Sthlm would need is this:

Stations:
- KTH (T)
- Stadion (T)
- Karlaplan (T)
- Djurgården (T)
- Sofia
- Skanstull (T)
- Södersjukhuset/Södra station (J)
- Hornstull (T)
- Marieberg/Thorildsplan (T)
- Stadshagen (T) /Karlberg
- Karolinska sjukhuset (T)
- Sveaplan
With the exception of the connection over Djurgården, that circle route is pretty much covered by today's bus 4, which has previously been suggested to be converted into a tramline. Sadly this suggestion seems to have been forgotten by the politicians. In my opinion it is the most obvious and needed project in the Stockholm public transportation system right now.

Well the spårvagn city is very much so under planning and building will be started decently soon, and tvärbanan to Solna is starting even sooner, so within just a few years we will see a good amount of tram/light rail appearing. :)

What a ridiculous proposal.
There's no way they would even fill 1/3 of a subway train on that route (especially Alvik-Sätra), it is way too far from the center.

What Sthlm would need is this:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2788/subwaystations.jpg

Stations:
- KTH (T)
- Stadion (T)
- Karlaplan (T)
- Djurgården (T)
- Sofia
- Skanstull (T)
- Södersjukhuset/Södra station (J)
- Hornstull (T)
- Marieberg/Thorildsplan (T)
- Stadshagen (T) /Karlberg
- Karolinska sjukhuset (T)
- Sveaplan

It would connect all branches and avoid T-centralen.
It would have a very good ridership, now people squeeze into the no. 4 bus but as it is very slow due to traffic people rather take other routes.
It would also give MRT connection to densely populated areas like Sofia and Sveaplan + to Karlberg which will lose it after Citybanan is finished.

The blue line should continue under Djurgården to Henriksdal where one branch would continue as Saltsjöbanan and a new branch to Nacka.

The route proposed by (s) might be realized as an LRT or trolleybus route, except for the mid part, nobody is going to build such a long brigde for so few passengers...

/or

That idea makes a lot more sence than the socialdemocratic proposal. But why not change the route a little to serve the parts of the city that is now uncovered?
Instead of going a long the Valhallavägen, that is already covered by the red line, it would make more sence to me if a ring would cross the read line at Östermalmstorg and then have stations at Humlegården, Birger Jarlsgatan, Odengatan, Sveavägen and then go to Karolinska and cross the green line (extension) there.
I'm not from Stockholm, but wouldn't that be a better solution?

Hornsberg 10 (Etapp 2)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4130/hornsberg10.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9906/hornsberg10b.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8978/hornsberg10c.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3259/hornsberg10d.jpg

Syftet med planen är att möjliggöra en bostadsbebyggelse, motsvarande ca 220
lägenheter, samt en anslutande gata.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6333.aspx#bookmarkC13

Norra Station

Small update! Not to small I hope! ;)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3603/norrastation2.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4935/norrastation3.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9745/norrastation4.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9905/norrastation5.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6973/norrastation6.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3167/norrastation7.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2595/norrastation8.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9479/norrastation9.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8944/norrastation10.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5598/norrastation11.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9797/norrastation14.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2897/norrastation15.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3477/norrastation16.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9149/norrastation13.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4853/norrastation17.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3576/norrastation18.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3591/norrastation19.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9062/norrastation20.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6116/norrastation21.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6863/norrastation22.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3088/norrastation23.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9775/norrastation24.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5431/norrastation25.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6030/norrastation26.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/709/norrastation27.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3659/norrastation28.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8931/norrastation29.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4117/norrastation30.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____6360.aspx

Its better than before but there is still a long way to go before its really good. It needs more variation in the hights of the buildings and architecture.

That is so cool, i like very much ;)

Especially this view (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3167/norrastation7.jpg) just says commie-district to me. Hopefully we will see much better architecture than that. But it's a huge project:)

Thanks for the excellent update Bosco! I'm pleased to see that the blocks that are progressing into more detailed design seem to be a welcome departure from the recent years of pseudo-"funkis". It seems that though Wolodarski's master plan is coming close to lockdown, there's still a chance that the actual buildings will have a distinctly more modern and contemporary expression than what we have gotten used to seeing, especially in projects with his signature.

Unfortunately, I'm still afraid that Especially this view (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3...rastation7.jpg) just says commie-district to me. will more likely resemble the neo-neo-classicist (no typo!) flavour of nostalgic junk of the St: Erik precinct, that Wolodarski seem so fond of.
http://subwaystar.blogg.se/images/2009/nya-stockholm-008_27927691.jpg
This architecture would sadly be even more out of context at Norrtull than it is at St: Erik, and possibly as badly integrated into the urban fabric.

Unfortunately, I'm still afraid that will more likely resemble the neo-neo-classicist (no typo!) flavour of nostalgic junk of the St: Erik precinct, that Wolodarski seem so fond of.
http://subwaystar.blogg.se/images/2009/nya-stockholm-008_27927691.jpg
This architecture would sadly be even more out of context at Norrtull than it is at St: Erik, and possibly as badly integrated into the urban fabric.

Im hoping the architecture will be inspired by neo classicism, its 100 times better than nyfunkis.

Norra Station

Small update! Not to small I hope! ;)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3603/norrastation2.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____6360.aspx

Its really nice that they build on the E4/E20 and expanding the city, but why make a big roundabout!:bash: Make it a underground roundabout like the future motorway with buildings and pedestrian streets over.

A question: Will the E4 use that roundabout? If so it will cause major traffic jams!!!

Most likely the two tunnels you see are the off- and onramps to the existing part of Norra Länken. Traffic coming in from the right is that of Uppsalavägen. The E4 will continue passing Norrtull through Eugeniatunneln.

I forgot to upload one picture yesterday together with the others of Norra Station.
In the distance: Tors Torn!

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2221/torstorn.jpg

Im hoping the architecture will be inspired by neo classicism, its 100 times better than nyfunkis.
A hundred times better? In that case, why? And why would it be good for the site? Why not, for instance, go for a heavy brick vernacular inspired by national romanticism of the early 20th century, or any other historical influence? Or should we instead set out to make this the town of our time, for this generation and those to come.

Some sketches are still bad but some of those renders looks really nice IMO!

Oh, and am I the only one who LOVE this one:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5598/norrastation11.jpg

I don't really like it when they tear down buildings. I like buildings to stay no matter how ugly they are.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4130/hornsberg10.jpg

Imagine if the surrounding buildings were quite taller. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE AN EXCITING NEIGHBOURHOOD. Oh well. :lol: No i'm just bitching this does actually look quite good.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9745/norrastation4.jpg

Is it just me that think these scrapers look ridiculous in pairs? Why not build one scraper with one unique look, and another with a unique look. Do everything and everyone in this country have to look absolutely the same? What are we? Clones?!
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2595/norrastation8.jpg
Its better than before but there is still a long way to go before its really good. It needs more variation in the hights of the buildings and architecture.It needs more height. :yes:
A hundred times better? In that case, why? And why would it be good for the site? Why not, for instance, go for a heavy brick vernacular inspired by national romanticism of the early 20th century, or any other historical influence? Or should we instead set out to make this the town of our time, for this generation and those to come.Funkis can be quite horrid aswell!

http://subwaystar.blogg.se/images/2009/nya-stockholm-008_27927691.jpg

Det där är faktiskt vyn jag har från mitt kontor på Dagens Industri!
That´s the view from my office window!

I have started a thread at yimby.se for those wanting to take part of a YIMBY-"yttrande" about the norra station-area:
http://www.yimby.se/forum/thread.aspx?id=484
(You have to be a member to participate and the discussions are in Swedish)

Great update from Boscorelli :cheers:

Looks pretty dull to me.

:fiddle:

Proposal for a 100 m highrise at Kungsholmen to compliment DN-skrapan.
The proposal to be built on top of an existing parking deck (swenglish?).

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2814/marieberg1.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3372/marieberg3.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4869/marieberg2.jpg

Edit:

Sorry MP forgot the link: http://www.tengbomgruppen.se/home.aspx#/home/

Proposal for a 100 m highrise at Kungsholmen to compliment DN-skrapan.
The proposal to be built on top of an existing parking deck (swenglish?).
Wow, fantastic! Who's behind it? I have been fantasizing about skyscrapers there since I was a kid, it's just so perfect for a cluster. Let's hope it's serious and gets built!

I like it, but it's maybe too extreme for that place?

Another proposal for that same spot has been posted here before and that proposal is by Rosenberg arkitekter.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7810/tre1m2by8.jpg

The Tengom-highrise is very goodlooking!

Yes, very!! And it's just next to where I work!!!

:eek: fantastic news! Can't wait to see proper renderings of these! :cheers:

WHOOW! Build it! Build it! Build it! Build it! One should send these renders to the city hall as a reminder and a bunch of flowers/greeting cards to Tengbom for thinking boldly!
I LOVE IT!

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/nationalarenan-kan-borja-byggas-5-juni-1.863820
The national arena will start construction already in a few weeks!

Slussen will become 2.5 billion swedish crowns more expensive than earlier thought!

Ombyggnaden av Slussen ser ut att bli 2,5 miljarder kronor dyrare än tidigare beräkningar.

Nu måste Stockholms stad jaga kostnader i projektet och hitta sätt att få in mer pengar. Ett förslag är att ge projektet en högre exploateringsgrad.

Higher exploitation rate might be needed!
What could it mean by higher exploitation rate?
More buildings?

Unsure about the translation here - exploateringsgrad = exploitation rate?

Slussen will become 2.5 billion swedish crowns more expensive than earlier thought!



Higher exploitation rate might be needed!
What could it mean by higher exploitation rate?
More buildings?

Unsure about the translation here - exploateringsgrad = exploitation rate?

For instance, yes. For instance a denser or taller townscape. But it could also be something else.

A hundred times better? In that case, why? And why would it be good for the site? Why not, for instance, go for a heavy brick vernacular inspired by national romanticism of the early 20th century, or any other historical influence? Or should we instead set out to make this the town of our time, for this generation and those to come.


Id rather se a mix of different architecture styles. Matbe somthing we almost lacj completely and that works great with larger buildings, art deco.

omg, a big fat YES to that highrise next to the DN-building!

A hundred times better? In that case, why? And why would it be good for the site? Why not, for instance, go for a heavy brick vernacular inspired by national romanticism of the early 20th century, or any other historical influence? Or should we instead set out to make this the town of our time, for this generation and those to come.


Neo-classicism and neo-modernism are almost the same style in Stockholm. I have to say, when they add some classicistic features to those plain bright facades, it makes them look a lot better in many cases.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00468/horan_468775b.jpg

En av Stockholms mest nedskällda gator får en ansiktslyftning. För 130 miljoner kronor ska miljön på Hornsgatan bli bättre. Men för att minska partikelhalterna krävs ett minskat dubbdäcksanvändande, och Stockholmsalliansen ökar nu pressen på regeringen.

http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_2883337.svd

:cheers:

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.864492!image/1743239937.gif_gen/derivatives/article-portrait/1743239937.gif

Den borgerliga alliansen i Stockholms stadshus går i otakt om höga hus. Moderaterna vill införa bonus för den som bygger skyskrapor och bygga två riktigt höga hus intill Centralstationen. Folkpartiet gör tummen ned för båda förslagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/folkpartiet-gor-tummen-ned-for-skyskrapor-1.864487

:bash:

^^Well as you can see, they don't really need bonuses to build scrapers, the sentiments seems to already be there.
Another proposal for that same spot has been posted here before and that proposal is by Rosenberg arkitekter.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7810/tre1m2by8.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2814/marieberg1.jpg

The differences between these project is just amazing. One is dull and boring, another one is kinda unique and at the same time fit pretty well into the surrounding buildings. I'm no architect though but I want this one built!

http://www.dn.se/polopoly_fs/1.864492!image/1743239937.gif_gen/derivatives/article-portrait/1743239937.gif

Den borgerliga alliansen i Stockholms stadshus går i otakt om höga hus. Moderaterna vill införa bonus för den som bygger skyskrapor och bygga två riktigt höga hus intill Centralstationen. Folkpartiet gör tummen ned för båda förslagen.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/folkpartiet-gor-tummen-ned-for-skyskrapor-1.864487

:bash:

Läste precis detta!
Det innebär att FP INTE får min röst i det kommande EU-valet...
Det straffar sig att bete sig som idioter! :bash:

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/folkpartiet-gor-tummen-ned-for-skyskrapor-1.864487
– Vi vill inte bygga högt till varje pris. Det har de gjort i London med ett ganska dåligt resultat. Paris är en betydligt rikare stadsmiljö där man koncentrerar höghusen till vissa nybyggnadsområden, säger Abit Dundar.
If he wanted a bad example he could have used American cities or some parts of Moscow. He has obviously never been to London, and probably never seen La Défense other than from a distance... FP must be the most confused party in Europe. If they are market liberals, then why do they have a political opinion on height of buildings at all?

Läste precis detta!
Det innebär att FP INTE får min röst i det kommande EU-valet...
Det straffar sig att bete sig som idioter! :bash:

Skriv till dom och klaga, jag tänker göra det!

Edit:

Hoppas dock:

Kristina Alvendal räknar med att få en majoritet med sig för Väst*ra cityplanerna på torsdag. Hon tycker att Stockholm behöver fler höga hus som syns och för att de ger mycket bostäder eller kontor på en liten markyta.

Nu har jag slängt iväg ett klagobrev till folkpartiet!

If he wanted a bad example he could have used American cities or some parts of Moscow. He has obviously never been to London, and probably never seen La Défense other than from a distance... FP must be the most confused party in Europe. If they are market liberals, then why do they have a political opinion on height of buildings at all?Yeah i think so to. London is a great city! However market liberals, I take it you mean Austrian economics don't like bonuses or subsidies from the state.

"Vi vill inte bygga högt till varje pris. Det har de gjort i London med ett ganska dåligt resultat. Paris är en betydligt rikare stadsmiljö där man koncentrerar höghusen till vissa nybyggnadsområden, säger Abit Dundar.

Kul att killen sågar londons arkitektur....Som troligen är europas mest lyckade. Pajas är vad han är!

Yeah i think so to. London is a great city! However market liberals, I take it you mean Austrian economics don't like bonuses or subsidies from the state.
I mean that they should think that height should be determined by demand, not by some random FP guy's aesthetic preferences.

The buildings in La Défance in Paris are by the way high just for the sake of it, while in London they are not. That guy's argument is completely upside down. Switch places of his examples and they will be where they belong, but then he is argumenting against FP's line.

Mr Dundars comparison between London and Paris is not completely wrong. In London they built a lot of ugly highrises in the 60s and 70s and it ruined the traditional skyline for little good. Now they have continued on the skyscraper path and a few new masterpieces have completely changed the skyline to a spectacular one.

Stockholm might also have come to a cross-road. What will the next scraper bring us? Just fugliness like the five Hötorget scrapers? Or brilliance like the Gherkin? I don't know.

And what about the future? I'm not so interested in just one average-looking scraper by the central station, if it stops there. It only get's interesting if more scrapers will follow to form some kind of cluster or skyline. I would love a modern skyline in Stockholm but what is the best strategy to get there? I fear a new failure like Hötorget that everybody will hate and will make skyscrapers tabu for the next 30 years.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00469/skraporkombi_469149b.jpg
Olika arkitekter har arbetat med utformningen av den skyskrapa som placeras mitt emot Centralstationen i Stockholm. Med sina 100 meter blir huset betydligt högre än något annat hus i innerstaden

Socialdemokraterna i Stockholm är tveksamma till nästa skyskrapeprojekt i Stockholm. Nu är det oklart om moderaterna kan driva ­igenom sina planer på ett höghus nära Stadshuset.

Stockholms innerstad har en låg silhuett, där torn och tinnar tydligt träder fram i stadsbilden. Några skyskrapor finns inte. Enligt internationella definitioner klassas hus som skyskrapor först när de är 100 meter höga, och så höga hus finns inte i Stockholms innerstad.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2889291.svd

:ohno:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00469/skraporkombi_469149b.jpg

Stockholms innerstad har en låg silhuett, där torn och tinnar tydligt träder fram i stadsbilden. Några skyskrapor finns inte. Enligt internationella definitioner klassas hus som skyskrapor först när de är 100 meter höga, och så höga hus finns inte i Stockholms innerstad.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2889291.svd

:ohno:

WTF!?? That was the stupidest argument ever! We shouldn't have any skyscrapers because there are none today? :ohno:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00469/skraporkombi_469149b.jpg
Olika arkitekter har arbetat med utformningen av den skyskrapa som placeras mitt emot Centralstationen i Stockholm. Med sina 100 meter blir huset betydligt högre än något annat hus i innerstaden

Socialdemokraterna i Stockholm är tveksamma till nästa skyskrapeprojekt i Stockholm. Nu är det oklart om moderaterna kan driva *igenom sina planer på ett höghus nära Stadshuset.

Stockholms innerstad har en låg silhuett, där torn och tinnar tydligt träder fram i stadsbilden. Några skyskrapor finns inte. Enligt internationella definitioner klassas hus som skyskrapor först när de är 100 meter höga, och så höga hus finns inte i Stockholms innerstad.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_2889291.svd

:ohno:

Elisabet Andersson lies again. These new buildings will not be higher than Klara Kyrka or Stadshuset.

Elisabet Andersson lies again. These new buildings will not be higher than Klara Kyrka or Stadshuset.

Yet another reason to vote m in the next election...

.R

WTF!?? That was the stupidest argument ever! We shouldn't have any skyscrapers because there are none today? :ohno:

The argument used in Copenhagen also :ohno:

There's a lot new proposals of skyscrapers in Stockholm at the moment. It's just a matter of time when people will accept taller buildings in the city centre. It will happen some day.

Don't think this has been posted here before, its a summary of projects in the new area Annedal, northwest of central Stockholm, close to Sundbyberg.
("Byggstart" means construction start)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z270/mansakuini/annedal.jpg

From the pamphlet: StockholmBygger