A really big update about the Västra city project on the SBK site:

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6347.aspx#bookmarkB14

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8062/363780756332828a2e80o.jpg

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http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3766/3637801515f527efe6e1o.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9344/3637806573a7e326f83ao.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9568/363780756332828a2e80ou.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2559/3637807747c226425797o.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2589/36386156860fe684560co.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6562/36386160144bcdb45238o.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2702/36386164463c7d2455dco.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6435/3638621704b9be9ba952o.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8647/363862209275cdd4b8eao.jpg

http://www.vastracity.se/

Boscorelli

:applause: :master: :applause:

Boscorelli: Great update, thanks!

Wonder what the chances are of Klara Torn actually being built...

I think YIMBY could do a lot of good here, providing sketches that are NOT "volume studies" but adding an existing high-rise of great design and roughly the right height in order to balance the debate which is sure to come...

Three words... MAKE THIS HAPPEN! :cheers:
Together with one more tall and really cool new skyscraper
at Vasagatan next to Hotel Scandic Continental:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00426/husA_426295q.jpg

All combined would make Stockholm a truely magnificent world class metropole! :)

Is it only me who cant find the "nordic and baltic" section at the startpage?
I had to use the searchtool to come here. :nuts:

Great find Bosco!!!

But... as much as I love klaratorn, the nimby assholes are not gonna let this one pass as easily as the waterfront.

But... as much as I love klaratorn, the nimby assholes are not gonna let this one pass as easily as the waterfront.

Then we will drown them by the waterfront...
KLARA, färdiga, flå!

All praise Boscorelli for that find! :D

:eek2:
Holy crap, that are some big kick-ass plans! Nice :)
Will they go through? Well, I wonder, but one can hope!
Highrises aside, I actually think this is my favorite picture of them all:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2589/36386156860fe684560co.jpg

Very, very nice. (And apparently Rosenbergs Arkitekter alreday know that we will be using german technology for our new nice high speed trains ;-)

^^Mine too!

Fantastic post at Yimby.se about a project on Barnhusbron!

Absolutely love it and do the same with St: Eriksbron please!

http://www.yimby.se/2009/08/spannande-stockholmsid%e9er_792.html#comments

that would really suite banhusbron, but steriksbron? nope i would be against it. . its a short bridge between to working parts of the city and it offers great views in both directions and allot of people cross it everyday, its not a dead boundary like banhusbron that almost no one uses except for all the buses who use it as a parking place.

Fantastic post at Yimby.se about a project on Barnhusbron!

Absolutely love it and do the same with St: Eriksbron please!

http://www.yimby.se/2009/08/spannande-stockholmsid%e9er_792.html#comments

Not to mention Skanstullsbron! Here's today's entry in the Metro competition.
http://www.metro.se/2009/09/01/82670/folkets-park-pa-soder/

http://www.metro.se/_internal/cimg!0/irfoiyvu1qui9ogml8gf7tmncomjz4c
http://www.metro.se/_internal/cimg!0/tn353gvnrjrly5yp7zikgix8v94ztz5

that would really suite banhusbron, but steriksbron? nope i would be against it. . its a short bridge between to working parts of the city and it offers great views in both directions and allot of people cross it everyday, its not a dead boundary like banhusbron that almost no one uses except for all the buses who use it as a parking place.

Yes you are probably right!

But it is a butt ugly bridge (that is why it came to mind) which should be replaced with a nicer one.
Loved the old one!

This competition really is a commendable initiative from Metro. I'll have to confess my bias, and go Yimby on the Barnhus bridge vision. I've been walking across that bridge close to daily since many years, and can swear with certainty that the wind gusting in from the sides (mixed with snow in winter, even if it isn't snowing) must be a feature ("it's not a bug, it's a feature") built in consciously by the designers to torment us pedestrians. Pretty please, with sugar on top, build the f*cking thing!

well, compare Chicago skyline with the Stockholm "bush-skyline" from the same distance, 16 km! The photo at Stockholm is from Flottsbrobacken.
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/PanoramaChicago.jpg
well, how to tell... obviously something is missing! OF

obviously something is missing! OF

About 6 to 7 million more people for the Stockholm area? ;)

well, compare Chicago skyline with the Stockholm "bush-skyline" from the same distance, 16 km! The photo at Stockholm is from Flottsbrobacken.
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/PanoramaChicago.jpg
well, how to tell... obviously something is missing! OF

do you have the sthlm pic alone? would love to see it in the skyline from far away thread :)

...

http://www.vastracity.se/

Looks really nice, though I am not sure I am to fond of that white boxy building located between Centralstation and Water Front.

I also think it's about time someone do something about Sheraton. That building need a facelift.

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg

Skicka till SSC föt att ha som en banner högst upp....Stockholm.

:lol:

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg

Skicka till SSC föt att ha som en banner högst upp....Stockholm.

:lol:

haha, det vore kul :D

Alpha Architects want to change Skeppsbron:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6728/articleimage59078.jpg

http://www.branschnyheter.se/article53839.php

well, compare Chicago skyline with the Stockholm "bush-skyline" from the same distance, 16 km! The photo at Stockholm is from Flottsbrobacken.
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/PanoramaChicago.jpg
well, how to tell... obviously something is missing! OF

Yeah poor Chicago obviously lacks such wonderful areas of green nature. ;)

The first part of the tunnel for citybanan is on it's way from Södertälje to Stockholm

http://svtplay.se/v/1674459/tunnelskal_genom_sodertalje_sluss

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/FlottsbroUtsikt.jpg

Skicka till SSC föt att ha som en banner högst upp....Stockholm.

:lol:

I know you're kidding, but hey, it sounds like a great idea (seriously speaking)!
That way, people will be able to see what a "dense" city Stockholm is.
Someone send it to Jan.

The government will say yes to "Förbifart Stockholm" tomorrow according to the news program rapport.

So more highways to the capital!

Alpha Architects want to change Skeppsbron:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6728/articleimage59078.jpg

http://www.branschnyheter.se/article53839.php

Noooo!

Noooo!


agree, looks terrible!

Noooo!

Luckily it is just an idea from the architects and not an ongoing project, but something should be done to make Skeppsbron nicer.

The government will say yes to "Förbifart Stockholm" tomorrow according to the news program rapport.

So more highways to the capital!

Finally. But I guess the opponents will now mobilize forces to stop it from getting built.

something should be done to make Skeppsbron nicer.

Något jag funderat på är varför man inte gör sträckan mellan Slussen och Vikingterminalen mer levande. Det finns 1 (en enda) bänk där man kan sitta och se på utsikten. Utiskten där är en av dom vackrare i stan. Gamla Stan, Djurgården, alla färjor som far fram. Där skulle man kunna göra kajen levande med krogar, barer, uteserveringar mm. En så central (och vacker) plats och så stendöd.

:cheers:

I know you're kidding, but hey, it sounds like a great idea (seriously speaking)!
That way, people will be able to see what a "dense" city Stockholm is.
Someone send it to Jan.

Living in this city gets more depressing for each year, just when you think that things could possibly not get any worse, they get... "Thanks" for Förbifarten.
F***ing laymen.

Some pictures of Ikano-Norra station

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7665/norra4.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4486/norra3.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6202/norra2.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1374/norra1.jpg

http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html

Nice height and no "förgårdsmark", so that's great. That the planners still refuse to close the blocks is a tragedy.

Något jag funderat på är varför man inte gör sträckan mellan Slussen och Vikingterminalen mer levande. Det finns 1 (en enda) bänk där man kan sitta och se på utsikten. Utiskten där är en av dom vackrare i stan. Gamla Stan, Djurgården, alla färjor som far fram. Där skulle man kunna göra kajen levande med krogar, barer, uteserveringar mm. En så central (och vacker) plats och så stendöd.

:cheers:

In English, please.

The government will say yes to "Förbifart Stockholm" tomorrow according to the news program rapport.

So more highways to the capital!

Finally. But I guess the opponents will now mobilize forces to stop it from getting built.

Even though the car industry is bankrupt, the pro-sprawl car-lobby is virtually unstoppable. So eventhough this project will lead to worse traffic on Essingeleden (even Vägverket say so) that is how it has been sold to the people. Yay for lying politicians and journalists who can't be bothered to do journalism.

Sadly the strongest opposition to the plan have been placated by putting the whole thing in a tunnel. Out of sight out of mind is a saying for a reason.

That the planners still refuse to close the blocks is a tragedy.

In this case it's actually a quite good idea, it enhances the verticality, and reduces the impact of a wall of buildings. Also, most of the designs that have been published so far seem to close the gap at street level (similar to Wolodarski's St. Eriksområde) Repeating the same scheme throughout, though, is a bit too monotonous.

In this case it's actually a quite good idea, it enhances the verticality, and reduces the impact of a wall of buildings. Also, most of the designs that have been published so far seem to close the gap at street level (similar to Wolodarski's St. Eriksområde) Repeating the same scheme throughout, though, is a bit too monotonous.
A better way to give a vertical impression would be to split up the blocks in several independent but still connected buildings, all of them higher than they are broad - at least superficially by varying the facade. This is probably the most serious esthetic mistake in modern Swedish architecture, that every block is seen as one single, big project instead of several smaller. And even when they do somewhat vary the facade like in Norra Kungsholmen, they still have to make the highest floors of the whole block in the same style to pronounce that it actually is just one building after all. For no reason at all except cowardice. But at least it has improved since the nightmare that is St. Eriksområdet - a whole area made as a single project by the same architect.:weird::no:

The government will say yes to "Förbifart Stockholm" tomorrow according to the news program rapport.

So more highways to the capital!

Awesome. But "förbifarten" should have been built for years ago. However. It's great that this finally is happening. Stupid vänsterr and miljöpartiet who is against it.....:bash:

Very unserious parties that actually think it's going to be less cars on the streets despite a growing population...........:bash:

A better way to give a vertical impression would be to split up the blocks in several independent but still connected buildings, all of them higher than they are broad - at least superficially by varying the facade. This is probably the most serious esthetic mistake in modern Swedish architecture, that every block is seen as one single, big project instead of several smaller. And even when they do somewhat vary the facade like in Norra Kungsholmen, they still have to make the highest floors of the whole block in the same style to pronounce that it actually is just one building after all. For no reason at all except cowardice. But at least it has improved since the nightmare that is St. Eriksområdet - a whole area made as a single project by the same architect.:weird::no:

There were actually several different architects involved in St. Erik, although the program as developed by Wolodarski was, lets just say, quite specific - so it's indeed hard to notice. I totally agree with your assessment of the swedish tendency towards whole-block-buildings, unfortunately a side effect of the dominating stance of our property developers and their urge for economics of scale.
I really like what Diener & Diener did in Ypenburg outside of the Hague, by combining different building heights and massings to reduce the feeling of a single "superblock".
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/2626425348_96935b1988.jpg
(image from m.by @ Flickr)

You can also see an example of this in the background of this photo:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2626427738_5243daeb41_b.jpg

Typical new-Dutch. Almost Vinex, most of the houses are the same.

Typical new-Dutch. Almost Vinex, most of the houses are the same.

Agreed, Ypenburg is far from ideal, for instance are most of the subdivisions to large, with conformity as a result. The zoning too, is a bit to inflexible. However - out of context - I do find the Diener & Diener ones to be a good example of dense suburban architecture and typologies. Considering the opinions that MP put forward in his post, I thought it was a good idea to show a few samples of existing solutions.

Even though the car industry is bankrupt, the pro-sprawl car-lobby is virtually unstoppable. So eventhough this project will lead to worse traffic on Essingeleden (even Vägverket say so) that is how it has been sold to the people. Yay for lying politicians and journalists who can't be bothered to do journalism.

Sadly the strongest opposition to the plan have been placated by putting the whole thing in a tunnel. Out of sight out of mind is a saying for a reason.

Not that I am pro-sprawl, however, Stockholm is growing rapidly and public transportation can not alone meet the future demand. Capacity needs to be added to the entire infrastructure. Essingeleden is today a bottleneck and another link connecting north and south is verry much needed I think.

Skanstull - TriBeSka

A study about Skanstull

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/9278/144oc.jpg

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6673/239xa.jpg


Skanstull präglas av tung trafik och är i första anblick en plats för slingrande broar och betongstrukturer. I den uppsplittrade miljön: mellan, under och vid sidan av bilramper och vägar, skapas svåranvända stadsrum i flera nivåer. Skanstullsområdet innehåller trots detta ett flertal av Stockholms viktiga idrottsanläggningar samt stora kvalitéer i form av ett brokigt frilufts- och koloniområden.

På uppdrag av exploateringskontoret har Rosenbergs Arkitekter utrett hur området kan utvecklas.

Förslaget visar på ett stärkt grönområde, en omhändertagen miljö på de nedre nivåerna där broarna blir ett positivt inslag i det öppna stadsrummet samt en tydligare stadsfront där sportstaden blandas med kontor och bostäder. Lösa ändar i staden knyts samman, brospannen blir kortare och stadsdelarna närmar sig varandra.


http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html

Skanstull - TriBeSka

A study about Skanstull

http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html
Looks perfect, how serious is the plan? That long shadow from the building between the bridges looks promising although I hope it doesn't mean that the classic badmintonstadion will disappear.

Wow, closed city blocks! Nothing we get too much of these days, looks like it could turn out nice.

Looks perfect, how serious is the plan? That long shadow from the building between the bridges looks promising although I hope it doesn't mean that the classic badmintonstadion will disappear.

I think it's serious since it is the city of Stockholm that has ordered the study.
It is not just an idea from the architects.

HaHa
"TriBeSka" instead of Tribeca?!
There´s got to be a limit to the disgusting americanization in this country!
SoFo was quite enough!
HoFo anyone?
Tribeskadroppar!
Pathetic!

Not that I am pro-sprawl, however, Stockholm is growing rapidly and public transportation can not alone meet the future demand. Capacity needs to be added to the entire infrastructure. Essingeleden is today a bottleneck and another link connecting north and south is verry much needed I think.
You are right, but here's the thing: Förbifarten (aka Västerleden aka Kungshattsleden) is a bad way to do that. Imagine instead:
*Österleden (including a railtunnel next to it for Tvärbana but built to be able to be re-decorated into a subway tunnel)
*Bridge Ekerö-Slagsta
*Bridge or tunnel where Bromma ends in a southwards point.
I'll even throw in a tunnel from Lidingö to Nacka!
That should all be possible for the same money that the waste that is Förbifarten is going to cost.

HaHa
"TriBeSka" instead of Tribeca?!
There´s got to be a limit to the disgusting americanization in this country!
SoFo was quite enough!
HoFo anyone?
Tribeskadroppar!
Pathetic!
Tribeskadroppar? :lol: Not a bad name for a drink IMO :)

I agree that the name is beyond silly, but the plan itself is great. I'd love to see that plan realized, it'd be a significant boost for Skanstull.

You are right, but here's the thing: Förbifarten (aka Västerleden aka Kungshattsleden) is a bad way to do that. Imagine instead:
*Österleden (including a railtunnel next to it for Tvärbana but built to be able to be re-decorated into a subway tunnel)
*Bridge Ekerö-Slagsta
*Bridge or tunnel where Bromma ends in a southwards point.
I'll even throw in a tunnel from Lidingö to Nacka!
That should all be possible for the same money that the waste that is Förbifarten is going to cost.


Tribeskadroppar? :lol: Not a bad name for a drink IMO :)

I agree that the name is beyond silly, but the plan itself is great. I'd love to see that plan realized, it'd be a significant boost for Skanstull.

Indeed!
Tear it down, build it up, light it up!
As I sometimes prefer to express it all... ;)

Linneduken 1

Edit: Two new renders

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/10/linne.png

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2087/sitplan.jpg

Linneduken 1, Drottningholmsvägen in Bromma.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1559/bromma.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9934/bromma2.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6853/bromma3.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5231/bromma4.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6526/bromma5.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6985/bromma6.jpg

Fence towards the underground which is not underground in this area
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5035/bromma7.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6301.aspx#bookmarkC13

^Really uninspiring. Could have been so much more, but a narrow strip like that between a rail line and an almost-motorway isn't exactly the best site in the world.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5035/bromma7.jpg

but its good that the children have some where to play :)

^Really uninspiring. Could have been so much more, but a narrow strip like that between a rail line and an almost-motorway isn't exactly the best site in the world.

Yeah but I do think it will look better than it does know with that sport tent or what ever it is that is located there now.

A bit closer to the city they are building a house close to Abrahamsberg undeground station and although it's not very exciting it really changes the neighbourhood to something much better.
All the floors are up now but unfortunately it will be in yellow bricks like the rest of Abrahamsberg (they could have dared a bit more) but it was protests that made them chose bricks.
Took some pictures of castles in Västerort some week ago and discovered quite a few newly built house I never knew of both here and there in the area.

HaHa
"TriBeSka" instead of Tribeca?!
There´s got to be a limit to the disgusting americanization in this country!
SoFo was quite enough!
HoFo anyone?
Tribeskadroppar!
Pathetic!

I agree. As if it wasn't enough with swenglish, please, we ARE NOT Yanks. Stockholm does not belong to the US of A. We suck up so much to them that they even can hear us sucking up, from across the Atlantic Ocean.
TriBeSka?

What's next?

Liljeholmsbronx? Brunnsvikenlyn? Queensholm?

Pathetic.

^^

Byt what does it stand for?

TriBeSka - Ska is obviously Skanstull but Tri and Be?

^^

Byt what does it stand for?

TriBeSka - Ska is obviously Skanstull but Tri and Be?
Triangle Below Skanstull if they are copying Tribeca. Tri could also be that there are three bridges. But it's probably just a spoof of Sofo, which isn't meant as serious to start with.

Actually, what is 'pathetic' is to see people whine and cry just because it's inspired from the US. I got the feeling it would be silent if the name was from the UK or Germany for example. Not that I like the name that much but it's more because it doesn't sound right or doesn't have any natural connection to the area.

Alphyddan 13 - Mariehäll

The demolish of an office and industrial building in Mariehäll and the construction of an apartment building.

Location for alphyddan 13
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3781/alphyddan1.jpg

How it looks
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8476/alphyddan2.jpg

The change
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4439/alphyddan.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3935.aspx#bookmarkC13

The planned house at Barlasten 3 (Gröndal) was initially planned as being 10 and 8 storeys high but was then lowered to 8 and 6 storeys.

The lowered house
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3479/barlasten2.jpg

The city has now changed the height back to 10 and 8 storeys.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2348/barlasten.jpg

Stadsbyggnadsnämnden beslutar att återföra byggnadens höjd till 8
respektive 10 våningar

Om de ekonomiska förutsättningarna för uppförandet av fastigheten
påverkas menligt av detta är stadsbyggnadsnämnden beredd att
diskutera den föreslagna parkeringsnormen.

Detaljplaneförslaget bör i likhet med kontorets tankar utformas så
att bottenvåningen inrymmer lokaler för butiker, företag eller
annan verksamhet.
Levande bottenvåningar skapar förutsättningar för lättillgängliga varor och tjänster samtidigt som de bidrar till att fler människor rör sig ute på gatorna, något som inte minst har en trygghetsskapande inverkan i det offentliga rummet.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3709.aspx#bookmarkC13

^^Nice that they reconsidered the height. And i like the way they argue for public areas in the bottom floors. They have a way with words that i recognise from somewhere...:)

Byt what does it stand for?

TriBeSka - Ska is obviously Skanstull but Tri and Be?

Try Beskadroppar!
It´s strong and really really good for you! ;)

I agree. As if it wasn't enough with swenglish, please, we ARE NOT Yanks. Stockholm does not belong to the US of A. We suck up so much to them that they even can hear us sucking up, from across the Atlantic Ocean.
TriBeSka?

What's next?

Liljeholmsbronx? Brunnsvikenlyn? Queensholm?

Pathetic.

I couldn´t have said better.
It´s thoroughly disgusting and totally unnecessary. :(

Actually, what is 'pathetic' is to see people whine and cry just because it's inspired from the US. I got the feeling it would be silent if the name was from the UK or Germany for example. Not that I like the name that much but it's more because it doesn't sound right or doesn't have any natural connection to the area.

More from the UK and Germany please!
My two favourite countries in the whole world.
And EUROPE for that matter which Sweden is part of after all.
This whole generation and age is completely ruined by pathetic brainless "swenglish"... :bash:

Yeah, forget street violence, murders and poverty, this is truly one of the great problems of the new millennium!

HaHa
"TriBeSka" instead of Tribeca?!
There´s got to be a limit to the disgusting americanization in this country!
SoFo was quite enough!
HoFo anyone?
Tribeskadroppar!
Pathetic!
Tell me one thing that is americanized about sweden except the fast food traditions which is americanized all over the world.

Sweden sucks up more culture from russia, eastern europe or germany than from america.

IMO if they wanna copy the TriBeCa name-concept a better version would be TriUnSka eller egentligen TriSöSka. Trisöska would be fun name. But I think I'd still call it "utanför Ringvägen vid Skanstull", or "Skanstull" for short.


Nice that Barlasten 3 was brought up to its original height. IMO that's a place that could handle a twice as tall building, but such thoughts only make me more and more cynical.

That Mariehäll area plan keeps making me think we'll never get an expanded urban core. Always with the Sjöstad planning.

Tell me one thing that is americanized about sweden except the fast food traditions which is americanized all over the world.

Sweden sucks up more culture from russia, eastern europe or germany than from america.

Well.. for one our whole TV/film culture is totally americanized. And why not, they know how to entertain people!

Soho in London is probably older than SoHo NY ;) I don't think there's anything wrong with SoFo, it's correct Swedish.

Sweden sucks up more culture from russia, eastern europe or germany than from america.

What? I don't even know what culture is like in eastern europe nor Russia, I'd guess they're probably Americanized :) Not that I would say we're Americanized...
Anyway, this discussion has no point. Of course we're going to be inspired by places and people we look up to! Those places tend to be western countries due to our culture, history and ideals... we have barely any connections at all with eastern europe nor russia. Ok, except for one thing; all the battles and wars :dunno:

That we are influenced by the rest of the world is completely natural. We Swedes have exchanged goods and ideas with the rest of the world for ages and of course we also exchange words.

The most important thing according to me is not where words come from. It's to speak so that everyone understands. And I do'nt want to hear people judge what they may say or not. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation. We must defend this right.

It think it's important to remind people how influenced we are by foreign countries. But don't tell me to not say Radio, apartheid, tuff, mejla, skyskrapa, flipperspel or grapefrukt just because it's loanwords:)

In English, please.

Pls Help me to translate, my swenglish är bad.

:cheers:

Nope, you're apparently good at Swenglish. English is easier.
also: google translate is your friend. (http://translate.google.com/translate_t#sv|en|)

http://www.imagesforme.com/out.php/i676569_83311337041978106913228102999219259782n.jpg?id=9e59e0de74bc9bcf333139393332

Kontoret vid Statoil, Sjöstaden. Spännande med glasbubblan på taket. 6 Sept -09

:cheers:

http://www.imagesforme.com/out.php/i676569_83311337041978106913228102999219259782n.jpg?id=9e59e0de74bc9bcf333139393332

Kontoret vid Statoil, Sjöstaden. Spännande med glasbubblan på taket. 6 Sept -09

:cheers:

Hmm I can't see the picture...

big red X, and the error-text looks like it is in a south-slavic tounge.

BTW - I'm gonna be in Metro this week, representing YIMBY.

Don't know if this will have any impact on what happens but a whish for a higher building than earlier suggested at kv Fredriksdal was wished for at the latest meeting at exploateringsnämnden.

Särskilt uttalande

Ordföranden Petter Lindfors m fl (M):


Exploateringsnämnden anser att detaljplanen är positiv ur flera aspekter. Planförslaget medför ett tillskott av 380 attraktiva bostadsrätter på mark som idag är dåligt utnyttjad industrimark samtidigt som Sjöstadens västra entré förbättras avsevärt. Dessutom möjliggörs på sikt uppförandet av omkring 800 lägenheter inom kvarteret Persikan på Södermalm genom flytten av SL:s bussterminal.

Nämnden anser dock att planen är väl försiktig vad avser den föreslagna exploateringsgraden. Med hänsyn taget till omgivande bebyggelse torde särskilt den västligaste delen av planområdet lämpa sig väl för en betydligt högre exploatering än som nu föreslås. Högre bebyggelse intill Skansbron skulle dessutom utgöra en skärm mot buller och partikelemissioner för bakomliggande bebyggelse österut.

Innovativa tekniska lösningar har möjliggjort omfattande bostadsbebyggelse i höga hus alldeles intill Essingeleden i projektet Brovakten på Kungsholmen. Enligt nämndens mening bör förutsättningarna prövas för en liknande lösning i detta område.

Ersättaryttrande

Ersättaren Håkan Thorén (KD) och ersättaren Christer Mellstrand (C) instämmer i särskilt uttalande från (M).


http://www.insyn.stockholm.se/exploatering/insyn.aspx?page=record&nodeid=324297

A big fat OT

=Joney;42692206]Tell me one thing that is americanized about sweden except the fast food traditions which is americanized all over the world.

Sweden sucks up more culture from russia, eastern europe or germany than from america.

Surely you can´t be serious?!
I truly WISH we could get a whole lot more of all the great movies, TV-series, music, food, architecture, culture and influences in general from the biggest country in the EU (Germany) and the biggest country in Europe (Russia) as well as from all of the great countries in this fantastic continent
and world instead of having to put up with so much of
the propaganda and constant brainwashing from
so much crappy american "culture".
It dominates way to much and has being going on for far too long.
On the other hand the completely misnamed "Hollywood cunlture" is
getting more and more european when it comes to actors,
directors, writers, locations, stories, crews, plots, etc.
Plus the fact that ALL white people (and many of the nonwhite as well) in
the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. have mixed european roots
and influences which unfortunately people from both sides of
the pond seem to have forgotten to often.
My main point is this though:
They show far too much american things on TV!
10% of it is really good.
But most of it isn´t.
Thank God for british television and actors.
Now bring on more of all the great EUROPEAN!

A big fat OT



Surely you can´t be serious?!
I truly WISH we could get a whole lot more of all the great movies, TV-series, music, food, architecture, culture and influences in general from the biggest country in the EU (Germany) and the biggest country in Europe (Russia) as well as from all of the great countries in this fantastic continent
and world instead of having to put up with so much of
the propaganda and constant brainwashing from
so much crappy american "culture".
It dominates way to much and has being going on for far too long.
On the other hand the completely misnamed "Hollywood cunlture" is
getting more and more european when it comes to actors,
directors, writers, locations, stories, crews, plots, etc.
Plus the fact that ALL white people (and many of the nonwhite as well) in
the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. have mixed european roots
and influences which unfortunately people from both sides of
the pond seem to have forgotten to often.
My main point is this though:
They show far too much american things on TV!
10% of it is really good.
But most of it isn´t.
Thank God for british television and actors.
Now bring on more of all the great EUROPEAN!SO you think Sweden is americanized because they show american tv-shows on TV?
Let me enlight you. Hollywood shows and movies are big all over the globe, not only in Sweden. And that's not because we are americanized but because we suck in film-making.

Guys, stop blabbing about the propaganda from the US and how amercanized our country is! It's not relevant for this thread at all. So please feel free to start up a new thread about this in the skybar...

http://www.metro.se/se/misc/pdf/2009/09/08/SESTO_2009_09_08.pdf
page 11 :)

Not that I am pro-sprawl, however, Stockholm is growing rapidly and public transportation can not alone meet the future demand. Capacity needs to be added to the entire infrastructure. Essingeleden is today a bottleneck and another link connecting north and south is verry much needed I think.

Thing is, förbifarten is counter-productive and will in fact increase traffic congestion on Essingeleden and in the inner city. (Yes, this is what Vägverkets own reports say).
Money well spent? I think not...
Förbifarten is an idea from the 1960:s and when it was presented the outspoken goal was to make it easier to develop suburban sprawl.
Nowadays when that is not politically correct anymore they try to sell it as an "enviromental project" which of course is bs.
That the project is not sold to ease suburban sprawl anymore does of course not mean that the sprawl will not happen. It will. And that sprawl will lead to more cars wanting to go into the inner city (cause they will have no service nor public transit nearby).

What we should do with those at least 30 billion SEK instead?
Easy: Österleden and more money to public transit.

Awesome. But "förbifarten" should have been built for years ago. However. It's great that this finally is happening. Stupid vänsterr and miljöpartiet who is against it.....:bash:

Apparently I am stupid to ;)

Very unserious parties that actually think it's going to be less cars on the streets despite a growing population...........:bash:

Well. A lot can be said about the seriousness about many of our parties, but in the case of förbifarten the non serious ones are actually the proponents of the project. In my view, proposing something that is counter-productive to the means you say that you want to reach is not a very serious way to handle an issue...

Finally. But I guess the opponents will now mobilize forces to stop it from getting built.

One can always hope, but I doubt it.
Unfortionately most of the opponents are locked into trying to stop it for all the wrong reasons. The right reasons is that it is from a pure technical standpoint not a good solution. Once that becomes clear all the other arguments become reduntant.

Hi.
Was visiting my mom on Gärdet and could´nt help take this pic. I realy like those new buildings over there, HSB houses. They look realy huges from the other side of the water! OF
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/Oregrundsgatan.jpg

^^

I didn't even know they had started building those ones, if I remember it correctly there where some huge protests about those ones from the neighbours. Nice post!

^^

I didn't even know they had started building those ones, if I remember it correctly there where some huge protests about those ones from the neighbours. Nice post!

NIMBY's protest about everything these days :nuts:

I would like to see more buildings like that.

Thing is, förbifarten is counter-productive and will in fact increase traffic congestion on Essingeleden and in the inner city. (Yes, this is what Vägverkets own reports say).


If that's Vägverkets conclusion, why then would they advocate the Förbifart Stockholm solution?

If Förbifart Stockholm get built drivers will likely have to pay congestion charge to use Essingeleden and I don't see how that could lead to increased traffic jam.

If that's Vägverkets conclusion, why then would they advocate the Förbifart Stockholm solution?Because their reason for being is building and maintaining roads, and have thus formed strong ties with the car-lobby. More roads and more people taking their cars, that's what they're about. I don't mean that in a sinister conspiracy way, but as a natural function of how humans work: they work with similar aims and try to influnce the same people so they run in to eachother alot and become friends. Same thing happends in Banverket and the rail industry.

If Förbifart Stockholm get built drivers will likely have to pay congestion charge to use Essingeleden and I don't see how that could lead to increased traffic jam.
Because the prime reason behind the project in the first place (though now almost denied) was not to relieve congestion further in but to facilitate building many new car-dependant suburbs along and near the new motorway and it's connections. So, yes it will reduce congestion for a handful of years but it won't take long before the long-term effect of a more car-dependant greater Stockholm kicks in and makes traffic worse than today and much worse than if other road/rail had been built for the same money (such as suggested by me and others) all over the western and central parts on the county.
btw- this is not me making things up out of thin air, this is an established logic in urban planning born out of experience from all over the world. That's how it has worked pretty much everywhere. Afaik the only place to succesfully get rid of traffic by building bigger highways is North Korea.

Släggan 14, Södermalm
has reached the exhibition stage

covering the back yard with glass.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3640/innergard.jpg

Syfte
Planförslagets syfte är att ge byggnaderna mot Hornsbruksgatan kulturskydd,
att ändra användningen från bostäder (som aldrig genomförts) till kontor och
handel samt att ge möjlighet att överglasa gården

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6337.aspx#bookmarkC14

Solnavägen
by Rosenberg architects

parallel assignment

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1597/sol1a.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9625/sol3a.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2787/sol4a.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1774/sol5a.jpg

http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html

Masthamnen
by Rosenberg architects

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1529/224ey.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2507/127frg.jpg

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4664/325yk.jpg

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6205/78104435.jpg

Masthamnen är ett avskuret område; Värmdöleden och Saltsjöbanan utgör en skarp gräns mellan den levande stadsdelen Södermalm och det ödsliga hamn- och industriområdet.

Genom att dra fram Folkungagatan till Saltsjön skapas en integrerad och levande stadsdel, ett blandat område med vattenkontakt för boende, handel och resande.

Som förslaget illustrerar blir det möjligt att promenera hela vägen från Medborgarplatsen till Saltsjön. Kryssningsresenärerna välkomnas av en levande stadsdel och Stockholms Lokaltrafik får en ny knutpunkt med omstigning mellan tvärbana, bussar och båtar.


http://rosenbergs.incabus.net/

Swede is in the papers!

http://www.metro.se/se/misc/pdf/2009/09/08/SESTO_2009_09_08.pdf

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6258/83311337041978106913228.jpg

Här kommer den igen. Snygg fasad, en av dom roligare nybyggen i 08.

:cheers:

^^

Is it in Hammarny sjöstad?
Any link to architects or any more details about the building?

^^

Is it in Hammarny sjöstad?
Any link to architects or any more details about the building?

I think it's the super busy Rosenbergs as well.

...and after checking, that is in fact the case - check out Kv Mältaren at rosenbergs.se, no direct link available...

I think it's the super busy Rosenbergs as well.

...and after checking, that is in fact the case - check out Kv Mältaren at rosenbergs.se, no direct link available...

Yes it's Rosenberg and Primula.

http://www.stockholm.se/Global/Frist%c3%a5ende%20webbplatser/Exploateringskontoret/Hammarby%20Sj%c3%b6stad/Bilder/Sjostadsporten%20perspektiv/maltaren-kontor.jpg

^^

Thanks! I recognize it now!

Two pictures which wasn't posted among the others in an earlier post of Västra city:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9928/vcex.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/364/vccq.jpg

^^ I LOVE the first one, while the second one looks boring. I sincerely hope they won't build everything in the same height like that.

Tear it down, build it up and light up! :banana:

First one looks great(!) and to be honest I dont mind the second one either, slightly boring but a hell of a lot more interesting than what we have there today..

Stations for Citybanan

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3926/plattform.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2860/stncitybiljetthall.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7342/undermezzanin2stor.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8026/trapphus.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5777/undermezzanin1.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3864/78665192.png

http://www.banverket.se/sv/Amnen/Aktuella-projekt/Projekt/1867/Citybanan-i-Stockholm/Informationsmaterial/Bildgalleri/Stationer.aspx

Oh hell, thats boring. I see they have used the same dull floor material as in Södra station. Please improve this! More colour and style, look at the blue line underground! Stockholm can build nice stations!

I don't get the floor patterns. I'd much rather see something like coloured lines that lead to different places (like a red line leading from the southbound commuterplatform to the northbound redline platform, if you understand what I mean). That second new render of the new Centralen... too uniform height/style and too low FAR.

The hotelpart of Stockholm Waterfront have almost topped out. Photos from yesterday

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1764.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1773.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1779.jpg

Kungsbrohuset

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1809.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1808.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1812.jpg

Looking good!

Is it just me or doesn't the finishing of Kungsbrohuset take forever?

Didn't it start much earlier than the waterfront office building?
I understand it's larger but it seems to be going a bit slow! :dunno:

Aula - Karolinska institutet

The new assembly hall within the Karolinska institute area has now reached the planning stage.

Only found this picture of any size worth posting.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7016/aulaz.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4927/illustrationsplanurklip.jpg

http://www.solna.se/stadsbyggnad-trafik/pagaende-detaljplaner/aula-och-folkhalsohus/

http://www.network.alumni.ki.se/swe/member/sys_uploads/content/13/attachments/KIBladet_04_2009.pdf

I really really like it!

I like it too :) Reads like KI are embracing the new feel of the area already, which is great to see.

love it! wont mind seeing that from my window every day!

Now we're talking! WHY can't Wingårdhs make nice designs like this everytime!?

nice update from waterfront! looking forward to see how the congress hall will turn out.

A nice thing about it is that the money is a donation which is not very common that rich people in Sweden do when it comes to buildings.

Very common in other parts of the world and in Scandinavia most common in Denmark atleast after what i read in an article once.

Wasn't the new opera house in Copenhagen a donation from Maersk or was it the concert hall?

We have some of the richest people in the world in this country with the likes of the H&M family, the Ikea family, the Tetra pack family and all the other very rich families (regardless if they live in the country or not they are still swedish) but have they ever made donations to some building projects?

They have put down money in buildings they own themselves of course.

Perhaps they arn't interested in architecture? That might be it! :dunno:

Perhaps they think that the GARGANTUAN taxes they must pay is enough...

^^

Like they don't in Denmark! ;)

@Boscorelli - yeah the Opera House was a gift from Maersk..

^^

Thanks for telling!

What an amazing gesture by him :applause:

^^
Well actually it was NOT a gift from Maersk - but from the A. P. Møller og Hustru Chastine Mc-Kinney Møllers Fond til almene formål Foundation. And I think there may be an important point here. Wealthy people never pay for anything here in DK. But they often create foundations which do. I think our system makes it attractive to create foundations whereas in Sweden it is more easy to keep ones own money (aka become loaded, this is also why there are a lot more superrich in Sweden than in DK). A lot of our largest companies our entirely or partially owned by foundations. But in the media the donation is often identified with the individual who in the case of Maersk and the A. P. Møller of course has a dominating role in the foundation. And the money of course still come from them and it's a nice gesture - and very much appreciated. But the reason for the difference between Denmark and Sweden may come from the way our systems work rather than wealthy Danes being more interested in architecture and urban development.:)

I must say I rather see rich people donate money to research than to construction of buildings. Research relies to a greater degree on donated money while construction of houses does not.

Bonnier art gallery is a resent example of a private funded building in Stockholm.

Del av Södersjukhuset 10
has reached the planning stage

10 floors and 35 appartments

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4771/soder.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9608/soder2.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4793/soder3.jpg


Planförslaget omfattar ett bostadshus med 35 lägenheter med underbyggt parkeringsgarage. Huset uppförs i 10 våningar placerad i souterräng där huset
får 10 våningar mot Ringvägen och 6 våningar mot Sjukhusbacken. De två
nedersta våningarna mot Ringvägen inrymmer lokaler.

Fasaderna föreslås vara mörka så att byggnaden sjunker in och förankras i den skuggade norrsluttningen. Förslagsvis byggs fasaderna upp av ett metalliskt skivmaterial med ett pregnant utförande där skarvarna mellan skivorna blir en del av fasadarkitekturen.
Ett vackert åldrande är ett krav vid val av material.

Portiken föreslås ha ett material som är ljust, tåligt och enkelt att sanera. Det
ska vara samma material på sidorna som i taket. Portiken förslås antingen
uppfattas som om den vore utskuren ur den mörkare volymen där de ljusa
snittytorna visar byggnadens inre delar. En indirekt belysning förstärker
ljusheten. Ett annat utförande kan vara att byggnadens fasadmaterial
återkommer i portiken som om volymen vore homogen rakt igenom.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6351.aspx#bookmarkC13

The christan democrats in the city hall want to change the nr 4 buss line to a tram line.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/kd-vill-att-sparvag-ersatter-busslinjer-1.952710

The christan democrats in the city hall want to change the nr 4 buss line to a tram line.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/kd-vill-att-sparvag-ersatter-busslinjer-1.952710
That is crazy. We don't have streets that's big enough for trams.

A tram and a car can fit quite well along the same road. They don't need seperate lanes, but it's a pluss.

That is crazy. We don't have streets that's big enough for trams.
I'd say they're not big enough for busses + cars. Trams take less space for more transport capacity.

Tobaksmonopolet 4
Södermalm

Edit: Two new renders at the bottom of the page

At the planning stage

Flygperspektiv över föreslagen bebyggelse
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/937/tobak.jpg

Perspektiv av föreslagen bebyggelse. Rosenlundsgata åt norr
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2856/tobak2.jpg

Perspektiv av föreslagen bebyggelse. Rosenlundsgata åt söder
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9476/tobak3.png

Perspektiv av föreslagen bebyggelse. Maria Skolgata åt öster
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2800/tobak4.jpg

Edit:

The new proposal

Renders by Nyréns Arkitektkontor

Tobaksmonopolet 4. Perspektiv från Rosenlundsgatan
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/937/tobak.jpg

Tobaksmonopolet 4. Perspektiv från Högbergsgatan
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2856/tobak2.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3721.aspx#bookmarkB12

That is crazy. We don't have streets that's big enough for trams.


History proves you wrong

Boscorelli, I really like how ur keeping us informed abt new projects in sthlm, keep it up! :D

Tobaksmonopolet is a dissapointment, it could have been much better, although this is better than what is standing there today. As for the new building at sös, i kinda like it in a way but i'm guessing that facade will get really boring in a couple of years...

Tobaksmonopolet 4
on Södermalm has reached the planning stage

Flygperspektiv över föreslagen bebyggelse
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/937/tobak.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____3721.aspx#bookmarkB12

Interesting; I walk along those streets every day bringing my son to his daycare centre. That part of Rosenlundsgatan really needs a pick-me-up. I was a bit disappointed when I saw that the proposed high-rise was gone, but then I realised that that proposal is for the other end of the block, towards Ringvägen. Isn't it?

I kinda like the ugly-beautiful feel of the other proposal (Södersjukhuset 10) but the facade lower floors towards Ringvägen look just weird, like, I dunno, a parking deck? But...

De två nedersta våningarna mot Ringvägen inrymmer lokaler.

...oh, that's a bit better.

Sooner or later we might actually get a pseudo-urban feel to Ringvägen, but the buildings are still too low for such a wide street.

Something called " övergripande MKB Västra city reviderad 090911" was published today at the SKB site and I havn't had time to read it all but I noticed some negative remarks about Klara Torn and about the height of the other houses too.

A little read from the pdf:

Området ligger inom riksintresse för kulturmiljövården där stadens front mot vattnet är en viktig del.
Klara Torn skulle med den höjd som illustreras i programmet komma att synas på långt avstånd. Från Södermalm kommer
tornet att synas intill Stadshuset och minska den dominans det har idag. Från platser närmare programområdet, exempelvis vid Tegelbacken ligger
Stadshuset fortfarande som en solitär. Samma slutsats gäller husen på överdäckningen, vilkas höjd bör hållas så låg att den bäddas in i stadssiluetten
och minskar påverkan på stadens front mot vattnet.

Fronten mot vattnet och förhållandet till Stadshuset
Det nya kontorshuset på södra sidan av Klarabergsviadukten,
väster om Stockholm Waterfront, har illustrerats schematiskt med en byggnadshöjd motsvarande Klarabergs huset, +38 meter.
Det är alltså högre än Stadshustaket som upp till taknocken är +32,9 meter. Det ligger så nära Stadshuset att det med den höjden riskerar att i
olika vyer inverka negativt på detta, men kan med
en medveten utformning möjligen fås att mjuka upp och mildra över gången till Stockholm Waterfronts hotell- och kontorsbyggnader och bakomliggande
bebyggelse.
Det eventuella höghuset – Klara Torn, är ritat med en höjd av +101 meter, att jämföra med stadshus tornets +69,2 meter upp till takfoten
(+96,8 meter upp till krönet och de tre kronorna överst). Klara Torn är också i illustrationerna avsevärt bredare och mer bastant än det smäckra
och uppåt avsmalnande Stadshus tornet.
Det är placerat direkt bakom Stockholm Waterfront och
skulle i många vinklar från söder sticka upp över
Stadshuset eller stå nära intill det, både sett från
vattennivån och högt liggande utsiktspunkter.
Om Klara Torn byggs bildas en än mer framträdande
bebyggelsegrupp tillsammans med Stockholm Waterfront som skulle ytterligare förstärka kongressanläggningens negativa inverkan.
Stadshusets dominerande roll i stadsbilden och stadssiluetten skulle därmed försvagas betydligt i förhållande till nuläget och nollalternativet, med
starkt negativ konsekvens för kulturmiljövärdet.
Det skulle också få negativ effekt för fronten mot vattenrummet som helhet.
Den negativa verkan skulle sedan förstärkas av en utformning med enhetliga byggnadsvolymer utan inbördes variation i etapp 2020, så som de
illustreras i planprogrammet.
Det är bara från sydöst, med de smalare foto vinklarna från Riddarholmen,
som Stadshuset fortfarande skulle entydigt behärska siluetten.

Om Klara Torn byggs, bör det ges en tydligt underordnad roll i för hållande till Stadshustornet. En sänkning av höjden och en slank utformning
med en gestaltning som samspelar med Stadshustornet skulle minska de negativa effekterna.
Även för kontorshuset väster om Stockholm Waterfront skulle en sänkt höjd minska den negativa inverkan på Stadshuset.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6347.aspx#bookmarkB14

Something called " övergripande MKB Västra city reviderad 090911" was published today at the SKB site and I havn't had time to read it all but I noticed some negative remarks about Klara Torn and about the height of the other houses too.

A little read from the pdf:

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6347.aspx#bookmarkB14
I don't understand why it automaticly would be bad to make Stadshuset less dominant. It's a beautiful building, but it's not exactly a wonder of the world. What really would be a crime is if this hysteria results in bland and uninteresting designs for the new buildings, which will have a big impact on the character of that area no matter what the heights will be.

"Fronten mot vattnet och förhållandet till Stadshuset
Det nya kontorshuset på södra sidan av Klarabergsviadukten,
väster om Stockholm Waterfront, har illustrerats schematiskt med en byggnadshöjd motsvarande Klarabergs huset, +38 meter.
Det är alltså högre än Stadshustaket som upp till taknocken är +32,9 meter. Det ligger så nära Stadshuset att det med den höjden riskerar att i
olika vyer inverka negativt på detta, men kan med
en medveten utformning möjligen fås att mjuka upp och mildra över gången till Stockholm Waterfronts hotell- och kontorsbyggnader och bakomliggande
bebyggelse.
Det eventuella höghuset – Klara Torn, är ritat med en höjd av +101 meter, att jämföra med stadshus tornets +69,2 meter upp till takfoten
(+96,8 meter upp till krönet och de tre kronorna överst). Klara Torn är också i illustrationerna avsevärt bredare och mer bastant än det smäckra
och uppåt avsmalnande Stadshus tornet.
Det är placerat direkt bakom Stockholm Waterfront och
skulle i många vinklar från söder sticka upp över
Stadshuset eller stå nära intill det, både sett från
vattennivån och högt liggande utsiktspunkter.
Om Klara Torn byggs bildas en än mer framträdande
bebyggelsegrupp tillsammans med Stockholm Waterfront som skulle ytterligare förstärka kongressanläggningens negativa inverkan.
Stadshusets dominerande roll i stadsbilden och stadssiluetten skulle därmed försvagas betydligt i förhållande till nuläget och nollalternativet, med
starkt negativ konsekvens för kulturmiljövärdet.
Det skulle också få negativ effekt för fronten mot vattenrummet som helhet.
Den negativa verkan skulle sedan förstärkas av en utformning med enhetliga byggnadsvolymer utan inbördes variation i etapp 2020, så som de
illustreras i planprogrammet.
Det är bara från sydöst, med de smalare foto vinklarna från Riddarholmen,
som Stadshuset fortfarande skulle entydigt behärska siluetten."

This is what i call "Pure bullsh-t!"
What would these guys saids if the Stadshuset was planed today? "it would bee ugly among the skyline of riddarholmen...?" There is always some shit to put on the walls!! :ohno: OF

Just face it, there won't be a klara torn. Not as long as retards like these are still in charge. I'd rather blame the architects for getting peoples hopes up by publishing renders of it.

About the rapport above:

Medverkande
Denna MKB-rapport ingår i samrådshandlingarna tillhörande
detalj planeprogrammet för Västra City. Uppdragsgivare för
MKB-arbetet är Jernhusen AB. Projektledare hos uppdragsgivare
är Jennie Kastengren.
MKB-rapporten har tagits fram av Tyréns med Åsa Norman
som uppdrags ansvarig och MKB-utredare samt Teresia Sibo,
Åsa Fernell Modigh och Susanna Bruzell som MKB-utredare.
Bullerberäkningar är genomförda av Anna Färm, Tyréns. För
layout svarar Sonia Ekström, Tyréns. För den kulturhistoriska
bedömningen svarar Nils Ahlberg.

Girls girls girls! High buildings arn't dangerous! ;)
Well one boy too!

Klara Färdiga Torn Apart! :ohno:

I hate these retarded ''lantisar'' that don't know the meaning of what a city is!!! Lame excuses is all i say....

Vi måste förklara krig mot "Skönhets"rådet! :bash:

Guys guys!

Let's focus all this energy towards the correct place. The people at the city building board (SBK) and the politicians. The power of skönhetsrådet is somewhat diminished and their view was expected.

I call on you all to write positive remarks about the project and send them in as part of the consultation process (samrådsprocessen).

There is no specific formalia needed, just make sure that your comment has been sent at the last on october 16 (2009-10-16) and that it is marked with Diarienummer: 2008-03662. Mail your comments to stadsbyggnadskontoret@sbk.stockholm.se
And keep a good tone (but oppose the nimbys views if you can).
The whining we can leave to the nimbys...

YIMBY will of course send in an official document about this project but more comments from other people are needed to. You can be sure that the people that oppose this great project will make themselves heard...

That is crazy. We don't have streets that's big enough for trams.

The truth in fact is that we have all the room in the world since a tram leaves more room for other traffic, not less. A tram keeps to itself on the street (as opposed to a bus that vobbles back and forth). A tram has higher capacity, they can be interconnected and they almost always move previous car drivers over to public transit. (this has been proven again and again).

All these things leave more room on the streets for cars, not less.
Please inform yourself on the subject before claiming things that has no basis in truth.

The fact of the matter is that we do not have room on our streets NOT to convert busline 4 to tram. The busses today can simply not handle all the people. (And this is of course why a tram is proposed since they, as I said, have higher capacity).
Do you know how many people use the line 4 each day? 60.000 people! That is about as many people as those that travel using the entire SJ national rail network a normal day.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00513/stadsbiblioteket620_513845b.jpg

Icomos, Unescos expertorgan för kulturmiljöfrågor, vädjar till Stockholms politiker att stoppa planerna på rivning och tillbyggnad vid Stockholms stadsbibliotek. Om projektet genomförs är det ett tecken på att Sverige inte förmår leva upp till sina åtaganden att skydda sitt kulturarv, enligt Icomos.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3533395.svd

:cheers:

^^ Couldn't care less what happens to that building. First of all, it's not beautiful at all and I can't figure out why people think it is. A big orange box... yeah, there's certainly a shortage of boxes in Stockholm. Although to be fair it also has a big orange cylinder on the top. I guess that's... something.

The annex buildings are super boring and ugly, so why the hell are those worth preserving? I don't think Icomos is familiar with the swedish mentality when it comes to preserving architecture and I think they should shut up and mind their own business. Like we need an international "beauty-council". We already have a group of self-appointed experts doing that job for you, thank you very much.

[/rant]

I've e-mailed SBK regarding Västra city and klara torn with a short positive comment, I hope everyone does!

^^ Couldn't care less what happens to that building. First of all, it's not beautiful at all and I can't figure out why people think it is. A big orange box... yeah, there's certainly a shortage of boxes in Stockholm. Although to be fair it also has a big orange cylinder on the top. I guess that's... something.

The annex buildings are super boring and ugly, so why the hell are those worth preserving? I don't think Icomos is familiar with the swedish mentality when it comes to preserving architecture and I think they should shut up and mind their own business. Like we need an international "beauty-council". We already have a group of self-appointed experts doing that job for you, thank you very much.

I disagree. Stadsbiblioteket is in fact an iconic building and one of the more famous buildings in Stockholm. (for people from abroad at least).
The surroundings could be better though.

However this is not the fact for the annex buildings that weren't even a part of the original project iirc. So for me it is totally okey to tear down the annex buildings but no touching the actual library.
As for the proposal that the city selected? It's not good, that's for sure. It's a big box with no really interresting architectural merits. It was the worst proposal (and the most boring one) of the finalists in my opinion, so of course it had to win...

I've e-mailed SBK regarding Västra city and klara torn with a short positive comment, I hope everyone does!

Great! :):banana:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00513/stadsbiblioteket620_513845b.jpg

Icomos, Unescos expertorgan för kulturmiljöfrågor, vädjar till Stockholms politiker att stoppa planerna på rivning och tillbyggnad vid Stockholms stadsbibliotek. Om projektet genomförs är det ett tecken på att Sverige inte förmår leva upp till sina åtaganden att skydda sitt kulturarv, enligt Icomos.

http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3533395.svd

:cheers:

Dishonest journalism, as always from the Svenska Dagbladet NIMBY dreamteam of Andersson & Andersson. You have to read the article very closely in order to understand that it's not the main library building that is in danger of being torn down but rather the inefficient, nondescript annex buildings that most Stockholmers probably aren't even aware exist, or are part of the library.

That said, I hate the "Delphinium" proposal too, and find it laughable that the city council try to sell it off as a "landmark building".

Something called " övergripande MKB Västra city reviderad 090911" was published today at the SKB site and I havn't had time to read it all but I noticed some negative remarks about Klara Torn and about the height of the other houses too.

A little read from the pdf:







http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6347.aspx#bookmarkB14

Ah, voilà.
The true face of Stockholm appears yet once again- an appalling backwardness and a terrible self-righteousness. "Hear, hear, we are the best in the world, our buildings are the most unique in the world, we've got the best underground in the world, the natural settings in which Stockholm is built are the most beautiful in the world, bla bla bla...".

Boys boys, you'll keep reading this kind of material from the authorities over and over again, you know what they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Dishonest journalism, as always from the Svenska Dagbladet NIMBY dreamteam of Andersson & Andersson. You have to read the article very closely in order to understand that it's not the main library building that is in danger of being torn down but rather the inefficient, nondescript annex buildings that most Stockholmers probably aren't even aware exist, or are part of the library.

That said, I hate the "Delphinium" proposal too, and find it laughable that the city council try to sell it off as a "landmark building".

True, very true kall_man.

Guys guys!

Let's focus all this energy towards the correct place. The people at the city building board (SBK) and the politicians. The power of skönhetsrådet is somewhat diminished and their view was expected.

I call on you all to write positive remarks about the project and send them in as part of the consultation process (samrådsprocessen).

There is no specific formalia needed, just make sure that your comment has been sent at the last on october 16 (2009-10-16) and that it is marked with Diarienummer: 2008-03662. Mail your comments to stadsbyggnadskontoret@sbk.stockholm.se
And keep a good tone (but oppose the nimbys views if you can).
The whining we can leave to the nimbys...

YIMBY will of course send in an official document about this project but more comments from other people are needed to. You can be sure that the people that oppose this great project will make themselves heard...

Thanks!
I most surtenly will write them!
Guys do the same! :)

New Barnhusbro won the competition done ny Metro but Skönhetsrådet says No no no!

– Det känns som de försökt att kränga in en stor jävla atlantångare, säger skönhetsrådets ordförande Hans Henrik Brummer.


Rådet beskrivs ofta som en bromskloss när det gäller att förnya Stockholms arkitektur, men


Brummer håller inte med om detta.
– Skönhetsrådet är inte emot nya grejer. Det är hela tiden frågan om hur, inte att. Det är skillnad.


Om tävlingen Förnya Stockholm säger han:
– Det känns väldigt ungdomsfixerat, men det är friskt vågat. En del tar för sig ordentligt. Och det är klart att man ska prova nya grepp, sedan beror det på hur det görs.

http://www.metro.se/2009/09/17/71439/ny-barnhusbro-blev-metrolasarnas-favo/

Give me a bomb and I'll blow the beauty council to hell.

Give me a bomb and I'll blow the beauty council to hell.

Hahaha!! :lol: Thats great AW, i will give you the atomic bomb!!! OF

Give me a bomb and I'll blow the beauty council to hell.

I'd blow away that disgusting mentality that too many Stockholmers have. That of an extreme self-righteousness, firm backwardness and an utterly condescending elitism. That epitomises Stockholm to me. I've lived too many years here, known and travelled all over the place, met all the layers of society, I could basically write a book about this city. Progressive people die in Stockholm. They rather putrify because Stockholm is like a swamp of negativity, everything's slow here, too many excuses are said all the time, too many bad things happen all the time and then that mentality... Which can be felt, specially in the central parts of the city. Creative people, get the hell out of here! Move to, I dunno, Malmö/Copenhagen, London, Paris, Berlin, New York, Tokyo, Madrid, somewhere else where there's more dynamics and less of that shit which thrives in Stockholm.

Give me a bomb and I'll blow the beauty council to hell.

I'll help you out with that!

Why don't people get to vote on what's supposed to be built in the city, why not let the people decide on the matter rather than some bunch of old retards deciding on something that won't even be built untill they're dead... I really don't get it!

^^Because direct democracy give the people what they want, instead of what the politicians think they need? The people doesn't know their own best. That's at least what we here all time...

I'd blow away that disgusting mentality that too many Stockholmers have. That of an extreme self-righteousness, firm backwardness and an utterly condescending elitism. That epitomises Stockholm to me. I've lived too many years here, known and travelled all over the place, met all the layers of society, I could basically write a book about this city. Progressive people die in Stockholm. They rather putrify because Stockholm is like a swamp of negativity, everything's slow here, too many excuses are said all the time, too many bad things happen all the time and then that mentality... Which can be felt, specially in the central parts of the city. Creative people, get the hell out of here! Move to, I dunno, Malmö/Copenhagen, London, Paris, Berlin, New York, Tokyo, Madrid, somewhere else where there's more dynamics and less of that shit which thrives in Stockholm.

That is so sad but also so very true

^^Because direct democracy give the people what they want, instead of what the politicians think they need? The people doesn't know their own best. That's at least what we here all time...

It works in Switzerland...

Why don't people get to vote on what's supposed to be built in the city, why not let the people decide on the matter rather than some bunch of old retards deciding on something that won't even be built untill they're dead... I really don't get it!
That would make it a nightmare for anybody whith preferences that differ from the majority. Let the demand decide instead, although I think the current idea with different instances could work if they only weren't infiltrated by people who are against exactly everything.

I'd blow away that disgusting mentality that too many Stockholmers have. That of an extreme self-righteousness, firm backwardness and an utterly condescending elitism. That epitomises Stockholm to me. I've lived too many years here, known and travelled all over the place, met all the layers of society, I could basically write a book about this city. Progressive people die in Stockholm. They rather putrify because Stockholm is like a swamp of negativity, everything's slow here, too many excuses are said all the time, too many bad things happen all the time and then that mentality... Which can be felt, specially in the central parts of the city. Creative people, get the hell out of here! Move to, I dunno, Malmö/Copenhagen, London, Paris, Berlin, New York, Tokyo, Madrid, somewhere else where there's more dynamics and less of that shit which thrives in Stockholm.

"Stockholm is like a swamp of negativity"?
Actually, i take offense by your smalk talking here.

You sound like the people wich oppinion i hate the most. Just hating and skönmåla any other city that isn`t stockholm.
Talking shit about the city queen herself just because there are many old farts with different opinion than yourself running this city.
Either stay and fight them, or get out yourself. But now you just seem to hate the city itself. I dont. I love Sthlm.

^^ He's not talking about the city, he's talking about the mentality that many Stockholmers have. It's not a secret that way too many people have an arrogant attitude, and share the oipinion that everything is just the way it should be and we don't need no more fucking buildings and people living here.

I love Stockholm in spite of that, but sometimes you get the feeling that there's too many of them.

^^ He's not talking about the city, he's talking about the mentality that many Stockholmers have. It's not a secret that way too many people have an arrogant attitude, and share the oipinion that everything is just the way it should be and we don't need no more fucking buildings and people living here.

I love Stockholm in spite of that, but sometimes you get the feeling that there's too many of them.



Yes there are to many Nimby´s in Stockholm. They need to be sent to Nimby rehab. :D

The silo on Kvarnholmen will be turned into residentials:
”En spektakulär arkitektur med industrikänsla” blev vinnaren i Kvarnholmen Utvecklings AB:s tävling där fyra arkitektkontor tagit fram förslag för bostäderna på Kvarnholmen i Nacka. Sweco:s arkitekter har tagit fram det vinnande förslaget, där fem tolvvåningshus med omkring 200 lägenheter blir nytt landmärke på vattenvägen in mot Stockholm.
http://www.byggvarlden.se/multimedia/archive/00052/Kvarnholmen_900_52227a.gif

http://www.byggvarlden.se/byggprojekt/article639878.ece

I don't understand exectly how they mean it will be, but it sounds good anyway. This is what the area looks like today, print screen from Eniro:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6707/kvarnholmen.png

^^

At first I thought what the heck is that higher bit, a new katarina hissen?

But I suppose it is just a higher part of the house in front of the one at the top of the hill? If I understand it correctly!

Are there really five 12 storey houses there?

What Stockholm and Sweden should do is to take after the ONLY good
thing about the US and it´s cities (instead of all the other crap) =
Have tall and modern skyscrapers in it´s down town inner city!

^^

At first I thought what the heck is that higher bit, a new katarina hissen?

But I suppose it is just a higher part of the house in front of the one at the top of the hill? If I understand it correctly!

Are there really five 12 storey houses there?
I'm confused too. I think the five "houses" are the bodies of the rebuilt silo, if you look at the picture there are divisions within the complex, although I wouldn't have used the word houses for that if I wrote the article. Rather "trapphus" or something. Don't know what the tower building is, might be either a new building between the silo and the buildings in front, or connected to one of the existing buildings. But I suppose it's meant to remind of a lighthouse and it looks nice with a higher building like that.

"Stockholm is like a swamp of negativity"?
Actually, i take offense by your smalk talking here.

You sound like the people wich oppinion i hate the most. Just hating and skönmåla any other city that isn`t stockholm.
Talking shit about the city queen herself just because there are many old farts with different opinion than yourself running this city.
Either stay and fight them, or get out yourself. But now you just seem to hate the city itself. I dont. I love Sthlm.

Amen! The whining and crying is getting sooo old.

What Stockholm and Sweden should do is to take after the ONLY good
thing about the US and it´s cities (instead of all the other crap) =
Have tall and modern skyscrapers in it´s down town inner city!

say what? so we should demolish all the buildings in the inner city and build skyscrapers? i thought we already did that mistake once?

what we should do is to understand that a city is a living organism that will change and develop and in that, GROW! there is no need to build alot of skyscrapers in down town Stockholm (except a few in well chosen places) but we should alow the new parts of "down town" Stockholm develop in a more "modern" way.

Amen! The whining and crying is getting sooo old.

Yeah you would know huh, 7 posts would suggest you've battled with this on numerous occasions.

The silo on Kvarnholmen will be turned into residentials:

http://www.byggvarlden.se/multimedia/archive/00052/Kvarnholmen_900_52227a.gif



One more picture:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/140/kvarnholmen.jpg

http://www.kff.se/templates/kop_start____3961.aspx

That would make it a nightmare for anybody whith preferences that differ from the majority. Let the demand decide instead, although I think the current idea with different instances could work if they only weren't infiltrated by people who are against exactly everything.

I wouldn't be so sure about it look at yimby for instance, over 4000 members that probably are for projects like klara torn. And most people i talk to are pretty much posetiv in the matter of building skyscrapers in the city. The majority of the old people are against big changes like this...

One more picture:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/140/kvarnholmen.jpg

http://www.kff.se/templates/kop_start____3961.aspx

I have to say that it does not look like a place I would like. Looks like the area will be totally dead... But then again, I'm a hopeless urbanist so ;)

I have to say that it does not look like a place I would like. Looks like the area will be totally dead... But then again, I'm a hopeless urbanist so ;)
It is an isolated place because of the location, but it still looks pretty dense with the new buildings they are planning to build. And there will also be a new bridge to make it less of a dead end:
http://www.kff.se/upload/Fotomontage%20flygbild%20Kvarnholmen.tif
Looks similar to Lux on Lilla Essingen to me, just slightly better. Everything is slowly improving. Hopefully they will change the road network though so it will be more like real streets and more inviting for passers by.

^^

I like that the inustrial feeling of the building is being kept!

And hopefully it will be a more lively area as you say when the whole project is finished! :)

^^

Instämmer till fullo!

Some picture of the model for Västra City (the model shows one of two alternatives, this one being the one without the proposed highrise):

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/e06f9fba-0a34-482e-ad45-db01161f19ec.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/a71a8a87-668d-446a-8ab4-58e386c81bd8.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/9d6a3001-6aa4-4151-8218-aab44a4e4893.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/b035cfaa-0ca3-45b9-834e-f46260b41818.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/f7f8c787-40ca-4692-8646-f62b9197a6c9.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/39a6e178-1cfe-4c45-b671-700b5554fbde.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/e2db980d-70ff-4cf3-8a71-addbee86fe9d.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/d1ba226e-7b82-4195-add9-d0f7c7e0b647.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/dea91e40-7d95-4551-a5ee-b28284d7b4ad.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/1e4c15a1-d800-4049-b7c7-90d7447a3dd9.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/f84c38fd-b12c-49ad-87ce-a3dc26e4e14d.JPG
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/dd430a7f-e0f8-4c0a-8988-75611b1f5ab4.JPG

What Stockholm and Sweden should do is to take after the ONLY good
thing about the US and it´s cities (instead of all the other crap) =
Have tall and modern skyscrapers in it´s down town inner city!

No offence, but most downtown areas in cities across the US are crap! You will, with a few exceptions, find no pedestrian streets, no stores, no cafes no nothing. All that you will find in the malls out in the suburbs. The skyscrapers may be a nice thing from a distance but they´re just offices of banks. Night time most downtown areas of mid-sized US cities are totally dead since the vast majority of the pubs and the night clubs are spread across the town. So no, you should definatly not make any changes to Stockholm. Please let all the offices and corporate headquaters be built in Kista and leave downtown as is.

Great post and update Khaan!

I'm still hoping for the highrise version to go through though!

Interesting read!

A diskussion about slussen between
Svante Berg, Berg Arkitektkontor,
Spencer de Grey, Foster+Partners,
Lars Marcus, arkitekt, forskare på KTH, driver konsultföretaget Spacescape,
Martin Schröder, planarkitekt Stockholms stadsbyggnadskontor,
Dan Hallemar och Olof Hultin, tidskriften Arkitektur.

Olof Hultin:
Om vi återgår till kritikernas
synpunkter så har man undrat varför det är så mycket ny bebyggelse?
Som dessutom liknar pastisch?

Spencer de Grey (Foster + Partner):
Kom ihåg att det man ser på skisserna är inte färdigtänkta byggnader!
Kvarteren är ”platsmarkörer” som talar om massa och läge, inte mer än så.
Nu ska vi bli mer realistiska.
Det vi säger här är att bebyggelsen ska vara låg, inga höga hus.
Pastischer har Fosters aldrig ägnat sig åt!
Vi tror på detta ramverk, och jag menar också att alltför stora offentliga
platser är inget att sträva efter.
De riskeraratt bli tomma och öde.
Det finns gottom sådana exempel i övriga Europa.

Sorry written in swedish

http://www.arkitektur.se/aktuellt/Arkitektur_2009_nr5_Slussensamtal.pdf

The part of Västra City that lines up with cityterminalen would be perfect for a Stockholm version of the Barcode buildings

Fuck that looks boring.

Agree looks extremly boring. I hope they go with a high-rise proposal.

BoI opens 13th Thai investment office abroad, in Stockholm


BANGKOK, Sept 20 (TNA) -- In an bid to draw more investment to Thailand from Scandinavian countries, the government’s Board of Investment (BoI) will open its new overseas office in the Swedish capital of Stockholm this week.

Industry Minister Charnchai Chairungrueng said senior ministry and BoI officials would make a four-day visit, starting this Wednesday, to Stockholm and open BoI’s 13th overseas office there.

BoI secretary-general Atchaka Sibunruang Brimble said she expected that the new office would attract more investment from Scandinavian countries to Thailand, especially in high-technology industries such as steel, vehicles, information and communication technology, environment, and forestry which are needed by this country.

According to BoI statistics, Swedish investors had invested in 47 projects in Thailand valued at Bt14.62 billion from1970 to 2009. (TNA)

Some picture of the model for Västra City (the model shows one of two alternatives, this one being the one without the proposed highrise):

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/310/d1ba226e-7b82-4195-add9-d0f7c7e0b647.JPG

Although in principle all that is being built in Sweden is really boring, we can all be proud of the latest urban planning in Stockholm. I really hope that these great visions also becomes reality, with a very dense, vibrant city as a result, designed in a highly modern and innovative architecture, full of elegance.
For this to be fulfilled we not necessarily need skyscrapers.

Although in principle all that is being built in Sweden is really boring, we can all be proud of the latest urban planning in Stockholm. I really hope that these great visions also becomes reality, with a very dense, vibrant city as a result, designed in a highly modern and innovative architecture, full of elegance.
For this to be fulfilled we not necessarily need skyscrapers.I don't agree at all with you. Just new fancy glass-facades will just turn it in to a boring office area. Imagine chicago with just 8 stories buildings all over the city.

Today the construction sites of Citybanan was open to the public. Here are some pics from the tunnel work at Söder Mälarstrand.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/citybanan01.jpg
St Barbara, the patron saint of tunnel workers.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/citybanan02.jpg
Comming down throught the work tunnel. The tunnel where the first group is standing is the maintenance tunnel and further in is the train tunnel.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/citybanan03.jpg
The train tunnel.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/stockholmwaterfront03.jpg
Looking over the water at Stockholm Waterfront.

I don't agree at all with you. Just new fancy glass-facades will just turn it in to a boring office area. Imagine chicago with just 8 stories buildings all over the city.

Firstly, I have not written anything about buildings with "fancy glass-facades". I wish the new buildings are of beautiful modern architecture, which brings an international accolades.

Secondly, I have not written anything about unilateral exploitation of the new houses as offices. I think quite the opposite, that a city of mixed content with both jobs, housing, culture and entertainment, in a mix, makes the city alive.
The plans for Västra City also has the intention to create a vibrant district with different content. To achieve a vibrant city skyscrapers is not needed, that's my point of view.

Firstly, I have not written anything about buildings with "fancy glass-facades". I wish the new buildings are of beautiful modern architecture, which brings an international accolades.

Secondly, I have not written anything about unilateral exploitation of the new houses as offices. I think quite the opposite, that a city of mixed content with both jobs, housing, culture and entertainment, in a mix, makes the city alive.
The plans for Västra City also has the intention to create a vibrant district with different content. To achieve a vibrant city skyscrapers is not needed, that's my point of view.
You are of course right about the fact that all cities don't need skyscraper. but, judging from the photos, the buildings variety donsn't seem to be that big. Looks like the have the same height etc

Today the construction sites of Citybanan was open to the public. Here are some pics from the tunnel work at Söder Mälarstrand.


Interesting! Thanks for sharing those photos!

I wish I had known about it, it would have been very interesting to go down there, which I'm sure it was!

I quite like it actually. Then again, Im just not very fond of skyscrapers either.:nuts:
As long as it's a mixed use development I think it's great.
The thing that bothers me about skyscrapers, without getting into much of details is this: they often, if not always look amazing on photos, but once you actually walk there, it's a completely different feeling. I think it's utterly uninteresting. I'd rather have a longer and lower buildings, but with more shops/facilities/cafes/restaurants on ground floor, rather than a highrise, which at most will have a couple of those.

Norra Djurgårdsstaden blir Stockholms nästa miljöstadsdel. Men också ett skyltfönster mot världen som ska ge exportinkomster. Stockholms stad och ett halvdussin stora företag är överens om en vision för den nya stadsdelen.

Området kring de gamla gasklockorna i Hjorthagen ser ut som ett månlandskap. Markarbetena för den nya stadsdelen Norra Djurgårdsstaden har pågått länge och inom ett halvår ska bygget av de första bostäderna starta. Här ska en miljöstadsdel med 10.000 nya bostäder och 30.000 nya kontor växa upp.

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/stockholms-nya-grona-stadsdel-1.956586

:ohno: skittrist, vart tog höghusen vägen? Detta ser lika spännande ut som...Skarpnäck eller Sandsborg.

I quite like it actually. Then again, Im just not very fond of skyscrapers either.:nuts:
As long as it's a mixed use development I think it's great.
The thing that bothers me about skyscrapers, without getting into much of details is this: they often, if not always look amazing on photos, but once you actually walk there, it's a completely different feeling. I think it's utterly uninteresting. I'd rather have a longer and lower buildings, but with more shops/facilities/cafes/restaurants on ground floor, rather than a highrise, which at most will have a couple of those.

Well then you're certainly gonna like Stockholm.

I quite like it actually. Then again, Im just not very fond of skyscrapers either.:nuts:
As long as it's a mixed use development I think it's great.
The thing that bothers me about skyscrapers, without getting into much of details is this: they often, if not always look amazing on photos, but once you actually walk there, it's a completely different feeling. I think it's utterly uninteresting. I'd rather have a longer and lower buildings, but with more shops/facilities/cafes/restaurants on ground floor, rather than a highrise, which at most will have a couple of those.

Well, that doesn't really have anything with the skyscrapers being skyscrapers. It has to do with the urban planning. I like skyscrapers and I think they can be very strong tools to add vitality to an area. But when I think of skyscrapers I think off Manhattan, not Houston. That is, a city with public transit as its core transportation method, density and mixed use, public and lively streets and so on. The thing with skyscrapers is that from the ground you should not really notice if the buildings above ground level are 5, 10, 30 or 90 floors tall. It's all about the planning on the ground.

"I'd rather have a longer and lower buildings, but with more shops/facilities/cafes/restaurants on ground floor, rather than a highrise, which at most will have a couple of those."

Well, imagine the citylife and the shops and facilities that can go into a neighbourhood if we have a couple of skyscrapers mixed in with the more "normal" buildings. The basis for services go up hugely due to so much more people in the area. The basis for effective public transit with many departures increase. I don't really see your point here.
Yes, an area with low buildings with a lively street is preferable over an area with skyscrapers but no city life. I agree with you there. But skyscrapers are no threat to a lively city life, quite the opposite. It's just about how you do the planning.

I like skyscrapers and I think they can be very strong tools to add vitality to an area. But when I think of skyscrapers I think off Manhattan, not Houston. That is, a city with public transit as its core transportation method, density and mixed use, public and lively streets and so on.


I see what you talking about. I'm not saying that skyscrapers should be entirely excluded, but it is this kind of building that has to be used very carefuly. It's either hit or miss.



Well, imagine the citylife and the shops and facilities that can go into a neighbourhood if we have a couple of skyscrapers mixed in with the more "normal" buildings. The basis for services go up hugely due to so much more people in the area. The basis for effective public transit with many departures increase. I don't really see your point here.


The thing is that you can get comparable and sometimes even higher densities with lower buildings (unless you really aiming at some hyper-density style a-la Hong-Kong, which I guess will never be the case in Stockholm) because you need to have quite big gaps between skyscrapers, while lower structures permit you to have a continious building. By lower buildings I refer to those between 5-10 storeys. So in this sense I don't really thinkg that skyscrapers have any advantage. Transport Oriented Developments in North America are not always centred around skyscrapers, it's all about density, not the form of buildings.
They are more visially appealing though, which may have positive effect on the image of the city, I give them that.

Well then you're certainly gonna like Stockholm.

I already do.:)

I see what you talking about. I'm not saying that skyscrapers should be entirely excluded, but it is this kind of building that has to be used very carefuly. It's either hit or miss.

Oh yes. I totally agree. There are many bad skyscrapers out there. But also some very good ones.


The thing is that you can get comparable and sometimes even higher densities with lower buildings (unless you really aiming at some hyper-density style a-la Hong-Kong, which I guess will never be the case in Stockholm) because you need to have quite big gaps between skyscrapers, while lower structures permit you to have a continious building. By lower buildings I refer to those between 5-10 storeys. So in this sense I don't really thinkg that skyscrapers have any advantage. Transport Oriented Developments in North America are not always centred around skyscrapers, it's all about density, not the form of buildings.
They are more visially appealing though, which may have positive effect on the image of the city, I give them that.

Why would you need gaps between skyscrapers? A skyscraper should be completely integrated in the city grid to function in a desired way. Putting a lot of space around them is really bad for urbanity. I think I know what you are getting at here in terms of letting sunlight reach the streets and such, but as long as you don't build a lot of skyscrapers in a small area that isn't really a problem. A good compromise is to let the skyscraper completely attach to the city grid on two or three of the facades and letting the rest go out towards a city park integrated in the city.

Once again, I'm looking towards Manhattan for an excellent example of this where many of the skyscrapers are completely integrated in the urban fabric, without big expanses of empty space surrounding them.

Additions of the two tall skyscrapers in the western part of Stockholm City
is very needed indeed and would look great in any angle whatsoever! :cheers:

One more picture:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/140/kvarnholmen.jpg

http://www.kff.se/templates/kop_start____3961.aspx

And two more:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9261/kvarnholmen2.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9739/kvarnholmen4.jpg

http://www.sweco.se/sv/Sweden/Nyheter/2009/Swecos-arkitekter-far-bostadsprojekt-pa-Kvarnholmen-i-Nacka/

Som photos taken today at Vasagatan 7. The original building was built in 1977 with an exterior of brown facade trimmed with brown wooden windows. It is now getting a face-lift as you can see.


http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1814.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1815.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1817.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1819.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1821.jpg

Stockholm Waterfront:

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv180/deqws/CIMG1825.jpg

the vasagatan looks quite nice! been wondering what they where doing there.

^^

Yeah that Vasagatan building was butt ugly before the change, it's a huge improvement!

Really nice update deq!

Aspudden to get more dense

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/31/aspudden.jpg

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/aspudden-ska-bli-stadslik-1.954514

Aspudden to get more dense

http://www.dn.se/sthlm/aspudden-ska-bli-stadslik-1.954514
That's great, although I'm sure this means one hell of a lot of work for Yimby! :lol:
And I suppose it's just an early sketch since some of the buildings don't make sense. More connections between the already existing streets are also needed, it will be a maze if they make it dense without improving the road system.

I really like what they've done with vasagatan 7. Huge improvement! Did they also add a couple of floors?

Just imagine what a tall one to the right of the Waterfront and
another tall one on the right side of the picture would add
to a fantastic view like this over Stockholm...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3625/3579080790_791c2084af_b.jpg

MAKE
IT
HAPPEN
!!!!!!!

Future elderly care 2030?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9435/rbarkitekturmicasa0001.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1781/rbarkitekturmicasa00.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6501/rbarkitekturmicasa001.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6737/rbarkitekturmicasa02.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4196/rbarkitekturmicasa03.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/882/rbarkitekturmicasa04.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4521/rbarkitekturmicasa05.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2448/rbarkitekturmicasa06.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/562/rbarkitekturmicasa07.jpg

http://www.rbarkitektur.se/offentligt/micasa-vision-2030/

Future elderly care 2030?



Haha, thats just insane...

Del av Akalla 4:1, korsning Borgarfjordsgatan/Kista Alléväg

5 floor building with a mix of public activity and offices.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4118/kista.jpg

FÖRSLAGET
Här ska offentlig verksamhet, med målet att synliggöra och levandegöra forskning, blandas med kontorsverksamhet för mindre och mellanstora företag i Kista.

Förslaget utgörs av en triangelformad byggnad som öppnar sig mot omgivningen i förhållande till de omgivande vägarnas olika förutsättningar.
Mot Borgarfjordsgatan i sydost, som har ett högre tempo och livligare trafik, ger byggnaden en inblick i verksamheterna för dem som passerar förbi.
Mot Torggatan i väster, som förväntas få ett lugnare tempo, erbjuder
bebyggelseförslaget även möjligheter att slå sig ned på uteplatser vid café eller restaurang i västläge.
Kista Alléväg föreslås bli en gata med grön karaktär som enkoppling mellan Grönlandsgatan öster om planområdet och grönområdena kring Kista Gård i väst. I entréplanet finns en öppen passage genom kvarteret.
Byggnaden ansluter till Kistas befintliga skala med sina fem våningar.
Den två våningar höga öppna sockeln på byggnaden innehåller alla entréer och ger möjlighet att exponera verksamheter utåt. Ovan sockeln är ytterligare tre kontorsplan placerade.
Parkering löses i två garageplan under byggnaden.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6443.aspx#bookmarkC15

Telegrafberget
At Nackas northern coast line

How it looks today
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9508/telegrafberget5.jpg

Proposal
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2557/telegrafberget.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5784/telegrafberget2.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5761/telegrafberget3.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5935/telegrafberget4.jpg

Detaljplaneförslaget syftar till att ge förutsättningar för cirka 300 bostäder i flerbostadshus och villor samt en del verksamhetslokaler och en småbåtshamn på Telegrafberget i Boo vid Nackas norra kust.

http://www.nacka.se/web/bo_bygga/planering/detaljplanering/pagaende/boo/aktiva_ny/Sidor/telegrafberget.aspx

took my bike for a ride through city today at lunch and saw that they have started to open up bleckholmsgatan and with the new water front and the stores and restaurant along the street this part of the city will really open up! i like what i´m seeing! (and of course i forgot my camera :) )

^^

That sounds great!

Too bad about the camera!


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Trafik- och renhållningsnämnden approved the first part of the city tram line yesterday.
It's the new part from Norrmalmstorg to Sergels torg which will then be connected to the existing part out to Djurgården, and that existing part will get upgraded.
This will now go to Kommunfullmäktige for a final decision and start for the project will be this autumn and it will be finnished august next year.


Trafik- och renhållningsnämnden godkände på torsdagkvällen den 24 september genomförandeavtalet för Spårväg Citys första etapp. Frågan kommer även att behandlas i kommunfullmäktige under hösten.

Det innebär att SL upprustar den befintliga Djurgårdslinjen och förlänger spåren från Norrmalmstorg längs Hamngatan upp till Sergels Torg. Stockholm får då en spårvägslinje från Sergels Torg via Norrmalmstorg till Djurgården. Byggstart hösten 2009. Driftstart augusti 2010.

Spårväg City byggs i tre etapper och kommer när den är färdigbyggd att utgöra en öst-västlig förbindelse mellan Värtan och Lindhagen. SL ansvarar för produktion och kostnader för den nya spårvägen.

http://www.stockholm.se/-/Nyheter/Trafik--Stadsmiljo/Byggstart-Sparvag-City-/

Edit:

Does anyone know what the trams will look like?
On the page on the link below it's a double decker tram, is that what it's going to be?
Or will they keep the old historical ones that go to djurgården? ;)
Or I suppose it will be the same as tvärbanan?
If any one has read anything about it please tell! :)

http://www.stockholm.se/TrafikStadsplanering/#omrade=Sodermalm

That proposal for telegrafberget in nacka looks really good!

/\ I don't think so... But I don't really care what they build out there, or if they build anything at all.

/\ I don't think so... But I don't really care what they build out there, or if they build anything at all.

Is it because it's outside of "tullarna"? ;)
Please explain!

Or is it just that exact spot that you don't care about?

I think all of Stockholm is interesting, nomather if it's the inner city, Kista, Täby or like in this case Nacka or any other part of the city.

This is the city I live in so of course it's interesting and I do care.
Even if I don't like a project I still care!

The Kv Plankan project!

A new facade on the existing butt ugly building, and added floors on that one, and a new round building on the quite large inner yard.

4Uxdgf8-IXI

/\ I don't think so... But I don't really care what they build out there, or if they build anything at all.x2. I really don't care either what they build on locations like that. In fact, I prefer lowrises in the suburbs.

The Kv Plankan project!

A new facade on the existing butt ugly building, and added floors on that one, and a new round building on the quite large inner yard.

4Uxdgf8-IXI

Very nice!
Any news about the new building further down at Hornstull?

Hittade den!
Fan va snygg!
(Eller tvärtom kanske... :ohno:)

http://www.byggvarlden.se/multimedia/archive/00043/Hornsplan_800_43313a.gif

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/Stockholmsarena.jpg
I love the design of this stadium! It fit the globe so perfectly! This is a great thing i think, because this area in the south sleeping suburbia of Stockholm, will realy get it started! Hip hip...:carrot:
oh, i like this stuff even whit that fact that i´m not a bajenfan, either! OF

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr316/reseskildringar/Stockholmsarena.jpg
I love the design of this stadium! It fit the globe so perfectly! This is a great thing i think, because this area in the south sleeping suburbia of Stockholm, will realy get it started! Hip hip...:carrot:
oh, i like this stuff even whit that fact that i´m not a bajenfan, either! OF

Quite right!
It looks fantastic!
Hej Djurgården! :)

Hej Djurgården! :)

You are probably the most enthusiastic person on this forum Embrace57!

;)

You are probably the most enthusiastic person on this forum Embrace57!

;)

Det menar du inte? :lol:
"Heja Djurgårn!" ska det självklart stå och inget annat... :cheers:

I kinda like what they want to do to plankan, but if i could get my word in they would have split it up in several smaller courtyards, like in the old days.

Väsby

Construction start for some new houses in central Väsby with the aim apparently to make Väsby more dense and citylike
Should have been a bit higher though but I think the buildings are unusually citylike for suburbia!

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3269/vasby2.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3255/vasby1.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9982/vasby.jpg

Husen byggs i linje med visionen om Väsby Stad med en förtätning av de centrala delarna och en mer levande stadsmiljö. Därför kommer det också att finnas utrymme för affärsverksamheter i gatuplanet. En liten torgyta, träd och planteringar kommer att ge området hög känsla av trivsel och trygghet.
– Det känns fantastiskt roligt att vi nu kan börja förverkliga Väsby stad enligt de byggplaner som antagits, säger kommunalrådet Jan Holmberg. Här har vi möjligheter bygga stadsmässigt på ett sätt som gynnar både miljön och framtidens Väsbybor.

Väsby! Isn't this the birthplace for 1980s rockband Europe? :)

http://www.branschnyheter.se/article55019.php

it's surely dense for being a suburb that far out!

and yes Europe is from väsby, we lived neighbours with Joey tempest for a while, atleast according to my 11 years older brother.

http://www.kff.se/upload/Kvarnholmen/kvarnholmen_090618webb_1.jpg
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any pictures of the proposal that didn't win?

Survey on Söderortsvisionen:

https://websurvey.textalk.se/start.php?ID=33413

About Söderortsvisionen:

http://www.stockholm.se/OmStockholm/framtidens-stockholm/Soderortsvisionen/


Edit:

And talk about it at these times:

3 oktober, klockan 11:00-14:00
Plats: Farsta centrum, Brun entré »

7 oktober, klockan 14:30-16:30
Plats: Sköndals centrum »

8 oktober, klockan 13:30-15:00
Plats: Gubbängens centrum, Café G Star »

12 oktober, klockan 16:00-18:00
Plats: Gullmarsplans t-banestation »

13 oktober, klockan 18:00-19:00
Plats: Sätra centrum »

Perhaps this one has been posted before?

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some random updates from this weekend.

Östermalmstorg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01130.jpg

city

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01115.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01118.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01119.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01123.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01124.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01125.jpg

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01128.jpg

^^

Nice update GoSatta!

It will be interesting to see how the Östermalmstorg building will turn out.

Good stuff!
I was at Östermalmstorg just a few hours ago.
The place looks like a terrible mess now and has done for a long while.
Fortunately I think it´s going to turn out really great in a few months.
It´s about time!
That Liljeholmskajvideo was great as well.
It´s going to be a fab place to live with a stunning view!

Nordvästra Kungsholmen:
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Tors Torn!

Got a thank you for the nice words about Tors torn from Kristina Alvendals stab today.
It really made me glad to get an answer back! :)
They apologized for the time it took which was very nice of them!

And they also wrote that the story in the media about it being a storm of sort against the proposal from "common" people wasn't true, those sort of letters had been very few!

They also wrote that the work on the Towers has changed over the summer and they now have a broader(wider?) base, they couldn't find working and/or economical solutions in making them thinner at the base but above all they are higher.
Higher? What!
That is increadible! :applause:

It didn't say how much though but I feared it going in the other direction!

The new version of the towers will be presented shortly it said!

Edit:

Tried to find Tors Torn in the highrise section to link it to this post but couldn't find it.
Has it never been created, or am I just blind?
Or is it under another name and I'm too stupid to be able to find it! :nuts:

Since they are broader at the base perhaps they don't look anything like this anymore.
Wouldn't the idea behind it fall compleatlely now? Well in due time we'll know!

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2595/norrastation8.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9479/norrastation9.jpg

Once again, thanks Bosco for keeping us all up to date! :) That's good news!

And thanks gosatta for the pics!

awesome!

im looking farward for tors torn, "mitt i vasastan" the local paper said there had been complaints but not about the hight just the look of them so they would get redesigned, and if that means higher ill be glad .. think i will be able to see them from my windows so im happy about that :)

Ha, I was looking for info on Tors Torn only yesterday, as the new proposal was supposed to be presented on September 17th. That's great news anyway.

In other (not-so-great) news, Svenska Dagbladet (read: Elisabet Andersson) are at it again with her crusade against any new building projects.

http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3584639.svd

And her latest ally:
http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3584641.svd

Ha, I was looking for info on Tors Torn only yesterday, as the new proposal was supposed to be presented on September 17th. That's great news anyway.

In other (not-so-great) news, Svenska Dagbladet (read: Elisabet Andersson) are at it again with her crusade against any new building projects.

http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3584639.svd

And her latest ally:
http://www.svd.se/ego/_s185/http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/artikel_3584641.svd

It is truly amazing how bad the first article is as a journalistic product. That is not journalism. I have no problems with different views being presented. What I have problems with is to begin with that many more opponents than proponents are given space (when in fact it seems a majority of Stockholmers like this project), and secondly, and most importantly, the fact that Elisabet Anderssons personal views are so obvious in the article, which should not be the case with a news article.

God!! I seriously feel like bashing this womans head against a wall! What she is writing is defineatly not journalism... No suprise that this is coming from a retard like her.. Just look at her portrait!! :lol:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/archive/00508/Elisabet_Andersson__508149o.jpg

Anna Anka nästa? :lol:

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00518/nystad-art_518139b.jpg

Det tar nog hus i helvete när dom som bor vid vattnet inser att utsikten försvinner. Spännande.

:gunz:

I'm going to be 47 years old once that project is finished. Makes me realize I'm not that particularly excited about the 2030 vision...

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00518/nystad-art_518139b.jpg

Det tar nog hus i helvete när dom som bor vid vattnet inser att utsikten försvinner. Spännande.

:gunz:

I lived in that area and I can tell you that a lot of people that doesn't have windows towards the water will be very pleased because the sound from the railway as it is now is pretty anoying! Many will rather than protest scream YES!
Although you get used of it after a while, it will still be a blessing of sort to get them tracks built over!
Although the subway over the bridge is still there!

Tors Torn!

Got a thank you for the nice words about Tors torn from Kristina Alvendals stab today.
It really made me glad to get an answer back! :)
They apologized for the time it took which was very nice of them!

And they also wrote that the story in the media about it being a storm of sort against the proposal from "common" people wasn't true, those sort of letters had been very few!

They also wrote that the work on the Towers has changed over the summer and they now have a broader(wider?) base, they couldn't find working and/or economical solutions in making them thinner at the base but above all they are higher.
Higher? What!
That is increadible! :applause:

It didn't say how much though but I feared it going in the other direction!

The new version of the towers will be presented shortly it said!

Edit:

Tried to find Tors Torn in the highrise section to link it to this post but couldn't find it.
Has it never been created, or am I just blind?
Or is it under another name and I'm too stupid to be able to find it! :nuts:

Since they are broader at the base perhaps they don't look anything like this anymore.
Wouldn't the idea behind it fall compleatlely now? Well in due time we'll know!

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2595/norrastation8.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9479/norrastation9.jpg

Is it only me that think that this buildings are upside down???
As said before it is not a good idea to build houses upside down. It will raise a lot of technical problems...
Turn the back and at least I think they are great!
And yes, they can be taller.

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00518/nystad-art_518139b.jpg


I know they are just massing models, but these days it's quite common for new projects to look just like that - one large flat box for the whole block. If that's how it will be I'd much rather see the existing view, with several layers of buildings visible!

Just some pictures from Kungsholmen:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5905/rimg0005a.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1387/rimg0010.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5467/rimg0016o.jpg

Tors Torn are very interesting to say the least!


Am I the only one to think the Waterfront Building is turning out a bit bland?

http://www.gosatta.org/gallery/buildings/sthlmconstruction/dsc01124.jpg

agree with you about water front, its not bad but not super good either. like the glass corners etc. but still yes a bit bland. dont have my hopes up for the hotel either so i rest my hopes on the congress hall :)

I lived in that area and I can tell you that a lot of people that doesn't have windows towards the water will be very pleased because the sound from the railway as it is now is pretty anoying! Many will rather than protest scream YES!
Although you get used of it after a while, it will still be a blessing of sort to get them tracks built over!
Although the subway over the bridge is still there!

got friends there as well, sad to miss the view but NOT the trains. . especially later at night when the slowmoving freight trains moves slowly below. . terrible sound :)

Tors Torn are very interesting to say the least!


Am I the only one to think the Waterfront Building is turning out a bit bland?

[image]No, you're not the only one with that impression. At that prominent location, one might have demanded a bit more edge while still keeping a sober design fitting the proximity to City Hall. As for Tors Torn, I don't have anything against the basic concept of an inverted trapezium (although it hampers the potential for extreme heights, for the forumers who are all about "tall"), but the placeholder design in the renders that have been presented is terribly out of date and very unfitting the trapezium shape. Of course this slip up results in far more vocal protests than would be necessary if simply "a pair of tall buildings, design of which TBC" had been presented, or if some actual design work had gone into these two crucial landmark buildings prior to preliminary presentation.

Now it seems as if a redesigned proposal is coming up and - as I wrote when the shit storm broke out in the reactionary local press - you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that the hideous first designs simply were a way to sell the idea of "tall". When the belligerency of the press have subsided, retract scheme 1 "tall and ugly" to seem as if you actually give a damn and present the revised scheme 2, (hopefully) "tall and attractive". I'm still not quite convinced by Wolodarski's penchant for identical twin towers though.

Finally, and in general, I share the previous posters' dislike of SvD:s (and others) way of editorialising in the news section when it comes to urban planning, but please try to keep a civilised tone - this is after all a public forum and there's no reason to give our opponents the idea that we're all a heap of aggressive nut jobs.

Skeppsholmsviken mm, Djurgården

Surprise surprise!
After 4 years in the cold, mostly due to a change of ownership, it has come to live again: a larger Gröna Lund amusement park!

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6977/tivoli.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7049/tivoli2.jpg

År 2005 hölls ett programsamråd angående utvidgning av Gröna Lunds nöjesfält mm på Skeppsholmsviken norr om Allmänna Gränd på Södra Djurgården.
Efter att projektet legat nere under några år, främst på grund av att Gröna Lund har bytt ägare, har planarbetet nu återupptagits.

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____2929.aspx#bookmarkE12

great news!

Don't know about you but I love the new proposal for Tors Torn!

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6091/norra9.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3809/norra6.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3333/norra7.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4544/norra11.jpg





http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6361.aspx#bookmarkC13

Not sure about the round building!

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/930/norra.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7665/norra4.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6995/norra10.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6259/norra8.jpg

http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanDocuments____6361.aspx#bookmarkC13

Edit:

It was a square building proposed earlier which I acctually prefer ahead of the round one

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4404/norra12.jpg

o yes that looks better, thats a better "gateway" into the old city.

edit: and yes i prefer the square building as well, but both are ok with me if they build the towers :)

FUCK ME!! Now we're talking!!!

And I for one love the round building. Stockholm need more curvy designs bad!