Projects & Construction [Archive] - Page 7

Svempa99

December 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM

But you can always change the facade again can't you, or tear down the building for that matter.
Or do you think it should be like in Paris, where there is forbidden to change the facade of a lot of buildings but it´s ok to tear down the house behind the facade, so they have a lot of new buildings with old facades.
If they don't build compleatly new I prefer a new facade from keeping the old facade although building brand new for me is the prefered option if a building has served it's time. I'm not really nostalgic about buildings at all.

I don't see my view as nostalgia. In this case it was more a rational and economic point of view. And also my architectural preference for the peculiar and odd.

I can see why they want to put a new plaster façade on that house. They are gonna add some stories and they don't want the joint to show. They think it will look peculiar with another volume stacked on top of the old house. They seek the clean and simple look.

But I like peculiar buildings. I'd love to see a new volume in a completely different style stacked on top. It's the same approach as the renderings of Åhléns huset is showing. New and old together.

Krustofski

December 17th, 2007, 07:06 PM

Cyber Plaza Kista (http://www.sweco.se/templates/Page____19618.asp)

http://www.sweco.se/upload/02/ffns/aktuellt/cyber_natt_460.jpg

Is it the 1:st of April already? :lol: That looks horrible... Even if they put a café on the plaza i would never ever go there... no atmosphere what so ever
And the name... come on... sound's so 90's

Kista could be great with several cool new (and high) buildnings...but now this...

svast

December 17th, 2007, 10:17 PM

Kista Galleria is expanding:
http://www.branschnyheter.se/article13274.php

The new entrance at Tornästorget:
http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_pics/articleimage16452.jpg

Cyber Plaza Kista (http://www.sweco.se/templates/Page____19618.asp)

http://www.sweco.se/upload/02/ffns/aktuellt/cyber_natt_460.jpg

Taken the pictures together it could be nice. But the LRT isn't to be in years.
There has been some attempts over the years to have this place altered.

safta20

December 19th, 2007, 09:31 AM

Vote for Thomas Sandell here! (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=725822)

Jonte myra

December 20th, 2007, 12:01 PM

Im stunned! That square looks utterly boring... couldn´t they atleasts change the facade facing towards the square a bit and add more cafées and shops?:ohno:

Insane alex

December 27th, 2007, 05:33 PM

Nothing going on here, so lets get things started again! :) Anyway here's a little something from my home area!

De vill bygga höghus och badhus i Orminge

Saltsjö-Boo 27 december Nils Carlberg och Peter Nygren tröttnade på att det bara pratas om ett badhus i Boo, men det händer inget.
Deras lösning är enkel – låt två nya höghus finansiera projektet.

Idén går ut på att bygga två 23-våningshus och tre fyravåningshus på före detta Nybackatomten, bakom Orminge Centrum. Totalt rör det sig om 140 nya lägenheter. Bredvid alltihop uppför man en simhall.
– Vi vill att värdet av den här marken ska gå tillbaka till Boo-borna, genom att de får ett eget badhus, säger Peter Nygren, arkitekt som bor i Källvägsområdet i Boo.
Han och grannen Nils Carlberg, projektledare och simhoppsinstruktör, pratade ihop sig och bestämde sig för att lägga fram ett förslag till kommunen.
Läget är utmärkt, menar de, med parkeringsplatser, bussar och affärer alldeles i närheten.

60-100 miljoner
Men det måste betalas på något vis och det är där de stora byggherrarna kommer in.
De köper marken och bygger bostäderna, av pengarna bygger man badhuset. Kostnad för simhallen beräknas till 60 till 100 miljoner kronor.
– Det ska inte vara något lyxbygge, men det ska vara ett bad som har något speciellt som det är värt att åka till, även om man bor i en annan del av Stockholm, säger Nils Carlberg, som tänker sig en inriktning på äventyrssporter i vatten.
I ”deras” simhall finns en eller två 25-metersbassänger, en pool för dykning och simhopp (fem meter djup), en barnbassäng och ett akvarium med exotiska fiskar.
En idé är också att skapa en konstgjord fors i en pool där kajakpaddlare kan träna. Eller sänka ner ett konstgjort vrak som dykare får träna på. De vill även utnyttja kalluften från värmepumpen till att anlägga en vägg för isklättring på baksidan av huset.
– Den här typen av aktiviteter kan man tjäna pengar på. Det är kapitalstarka utövare, säger Nils Carlberg.
Han har själv fyra barn i åldrarna 5 till 18 år och ser behovet av en simhall nära hemmet varje vecka. Kommundelen Boo har 3 750 barn i skolåldern och många Nacka-Värmdöbarn åker till Eriksdalsbadet för att simma och träna, menar han.
Nils Carlberg och Peter Nygren har vädrat idén för flera politiker, bland andra ordförande i miljö- och stadsbyggnadsnämnden, Cathrin Bergenstråhle, m.
– Jag tycker att det här är så pass intressant att jag har bjudit in dem till ett möte med en större grupp tjänstemän och politiker. Sedan får vi se om vi går vidare med det, säger hon.
Initiativtagarna för redan diskussioner med fyra stora byggbolag som är intresserade av projektet.

”Bra utsikt och badhus”
Peter Nygren har varit med och genomfört liknande projekt i Nyköping och Oxelösund, då med en ishall respektive friidrottshall.
På frågan vad de själva får ut av projektet, är svaret klart: Ett badhus.
– Och någonstans att bo, med bra utsikt, om vi säljer villan, säger Peter Nygren med ett leende.
Givetvis tror han sig även ha chans att få arkitektuppdraget.

http://www.nvp.se/Global/Orminge-skyskrapa-1.gif

Source: http://www.nvp.se/Nacka/Saltsjo-Boo/De-vill-bygga-hoghus-och-badhus-i-Orminge/

khaan

December 29th, 2007, 12:00 AM

SL testar rörlig reklam i tunnelbanan:
http://dagensmedia.se/mallar/dagensmedia_mall.asp?version=141479

Nice :)

December 30th, 2007, 01:04 AM

^^ Nice indeed :)

khaan

December 30th, 2007, 05:25 PM

I just wrote a blogpost about "skönhetsrådet".
http://www.yimby.se/2007/12/skonhetsradet-knappast-ny_402.html

khaan

December 30th, 2007, 10:48 PM

Another blogpost, this time about a photo-trip to Hjorthagen we did today:
http://yimby.se/2007/12/en-promenad-i-centrala-st_403.html

khaan

December 31st, 2007, 02:29 PM

Another blog about architecture and buildings in Stockholm:
http://arksthlm.bloggspace.se/1/

Dan

December 31st, 2007, 03:47 PM

khaan

December 31st, 2007, 04:32 PM

I like the SL thing, but "Steg två blir att ha större skyltar som hänger ned från perrongtaken"? I hope they don't exaggerate with the advertisements... moving ones along the walls, the escalators, etc. are already quite enough, I think. Hanging thingies with information would be nice -- maybe even weather, news headlines, etc., but more and more ads will be tiresome (especially if they talk!)

Yeah, sound would be annoying. I dont think I would care that much about signs hanging down from the roof but I think it actually would look better if they replaced some of the ad-spaces on the walls with screens instead.

All in all a nice development with this and the screen at Stureplan. Me like!
A real screen in the intersection between Kungsgatan and Sveavägen would be really nice to, that place already has a lot of flashing signs so I dont think it would pose that much of a problem.

Boscorelli

January 2nd, 2008, 09:17 PM

This tread has died a bit hasn't it, since the Highrises thread came about?
Or is it just the season and all the holidays and stuff that colide?

January 2nd, 2008, 10:32 PM

I'd say the main reason for that is the lack of interesting projects in Stockholm.. :) Everything worth exposure has already been discussed for years and/or are proposals or DEMO atm.
But this thread has been very quite for a while now, except for our friend khaan who is doing a great job of keeping the yimby spirit high!

safta20

January 2nd, 2008, 11:18 PM

safta20

January 2nd, 2008, 11:24 PM

This tread has died a bit hasn't it, since the Highrises thread came about?
Or is it just the season and all the holidays and stuff that colide?

We could perhaps discuss what we think about the galleria at plattan?

http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_734893.svd

khaan

January 3rd, 2008, 02:14 AM

We could perhaps discuss what we think about the galleria at plattan?

http://www.svd.se/stockholm/nyheter/artikel_734893.svd

Well. It's an improvement. But I think the whole area in general sucks. I would rather see a complete remake, but that aint gonna happen since "plattan" is holy just as everything else that has existed for more than 5 years... :gaah:

khaan

January 3rd, 2008, 02:46 AM

How insane is this?
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=145&a=729612

"- Byggandet av en 155 meter lång betongtunnel under jord beräknas i dag till 1,5 miljarder kronor, det blir en miljon per centimeter."

Thank you nationalstadsparken. You can buy a shitload of trams for that kind of money...

wolkenkrabber

January 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM

^^

insanely expencive, and if i got the article right it's just becuase of some stupid laws? that the price has risen that far?

the idea of glace in parts of plattan is quite good imo, as long as it will remain as open to the public as it is today, that it won't get locked down and stuff... it would be much nicer to wait in the glaced part since it is a common place to meet-up and i guess it could push more of the druggies away from the centre..

Insane alex

January 3rd, 2008, 06:20 PM

I am so tired of all these laws strangling our infrastruture and such. This is what restricts big projects... Who the hell wants to invest in a country which resists change! For what!? A bloody boring park or some old rundown buildings!? Damn it upsets me haha!

Dan

January 3rd, 2008, 09:22 PM

Sergels torg can be destroyed for all I care. What a sucky drug addict ugly disturbing people hangout. :P Nothing to bevara there...

K-J N.

January 4th, 2008, 02:16 AM

That "square" needs remodeling tho. Today it's mostly parking with some bushes and trees. With the expanded KistaGalleria and a LRT stop it'll be a whole different place, hopefully they'll make it possible for some cafés around it and more shops on the east side of the square (across from the mall).
But just paving it and hanging some colored stuff above it... didn't we see how bad that works 30 years ago?

For those who haven't been there, here is what the area looks like now.
http://www.sweco.se/upload/02/ffns/aktuellt/cyber_natt_460.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/tornastorget1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/tornastorget2.jpg
Standing next to the car park and looking towards the point where I took the photo you can see the two towers.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_pics/articleimage16452.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/tornastorget3.jpg

khaan

January 4th, 2008, 08:20 AM

Another blogpost, "Falska miljövänner och nationalstadsparken":
http://yimby.se/2008/01/falska-miljovanner-och-na_405.html

khaan

January 4th, 2008, 10:13 PM

Well! About time for an update of Svea Torn!
People have started to move in now, some floors are alight.
I went by today and took some photos and got a chat with a man that is moving in.
He was about 55-60 perhaps, a real yimby it seems since he mentioned that he would have liked if the building was taller :)

Well. Here are the pics:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0323.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0324.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0326.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0329.jpg

Boscorelli

January 4th, 2008, 10:20 PM

^^
Yeah it definitetly could have been taller! But it's quite nice for a building of that hight, do you know if the top floor is for living or has it got another purpose?
And finally what an amazing heaven on those shots!

khaan

January 4th, 2008, 10:30 PM

Yeah it definitetly could have been taller! But it's quite nice for a building of that hight, do you know if the top floor is for living or has it got another purpose?

Yeah. It is for living. Most floors have 5 apartements on each floor but the two topmost floors are two floor apartements and the two topmost floors are taken up by four big apartements.

And finally what an amazing heaven on those shots!

Yeah, the clouds moved quickly so with 30 seconds exposure time it turned out pretty cool actually :)

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 12:31 AM

Ok. A new batch of pictures. I was around the city terminal today and took some pics of the progress.

First, a picture of a house i haven't noticed before. It's on a side street just before the new constructions on Torsgatan:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0012.jpg
I dunno if it's been there for long or is new but I think it was interresting since it's not a "standard box".

Anyway, on to Torsgatan:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0025.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0032.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0038.jpg

The hotel is approaching finish line:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0048.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0068.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0071.jpg

Stockholm klara is going down: (oh yeah) :banana:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0088.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0090.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0096.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0103.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0118.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0179.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0207.jpg

And a finishing picture of the new big tv-screen at Stureplan:

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/sthlm/DSC_0314.jpg

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 12:36 AM

Hm. Those pictures became rather large...
I put them into an album to, here:
http://yimby.se/viewphoto/84/

Boscorelli

January 5th, 2008, 01:45 AM

^^
Nice update!
Yes the first house is new, it's on torsgränd isn't it?
It feels really god to see the demolishing of Stockholm Klara, it would have been more spectacular though if they would have blown it up! :)

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 02:22 AM

^^
Nice update!
Yes the first house is new, it's on torsgränd isn't it?

I have no idea what the street is called.. Following it a bit further brings you to another construction site to, but I didnt go up there today.

It feels really god to see the demolishing of Stockholm Klara, it would have been more spectacular though if they would have blown it up! :)

Hehe yeah. I would so had been there if they did.
Oddly enough there was only activity on the part where Kungsbrohuset will be today, all silent where the congress hall will be.

But I mean, Wow! The area will become something completely different altogether!
The hotel/congress hall, Kungsbrohuset with shops in the street level and a bigger building, the new office complex over the rail, the hotel, the new apartements and last but not least, the new tram!

:banana:

January 5th, 2008, 11:21 AM

January 5th, 2008, 12:28 PM

That's one hell of camera you got there, khaan! Very nice photos!!

But wait a second.. the big screen at stureplan; wasn't it supposed to be bigger than that...? Is that just the first part or something?

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 03:08 PM

Nice! When was the last time a building in Stockholm got one of those little towers in the corner? Must have been almost 100 years ago. I hope they are coming back now, such things really do a lot for the dignity of a building. Although the rest of the building doesn't have to look old just because of that.

Great shots!

Yeah, I like those buildings to and I also like the mix in architecture between the glass wall of the hotel and the apartement building.
And so nice that they did NOT build another of those "nyfunkis"-buildings...

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 03:15 PM

That's one hell of camera you got there, khaan! Very nice photos!!

I love my Nikon.
http://www.minhembio.com/bilder/bild/?pic_id=189816.jpg

And Photoshop ;)
Shooting images in RAW format rather than JPEG has saved many burnt out skies..

But wait a second.. the big screen at stureplan; wasn't it supposed to be bigger than that...? Is that just the first part or something?

Well. No. (Unfortionately). But there is supposed to be some colored bars beside it syncing up with the colors of the screen but those don't seem to be up yet.

Sims

January 5th, 2008, 10:02 PM

hiya guys, been a while. I don't know you guys have seen the Klara kongress website. If u havent, check it out : http://www.waterfrontbuilding.se/

or straight to a video of the project:
http://www.waterfrontbuilding.se/Waterfront.mov

Ringil

January 5th, 2008, 10:23 PM

Svea torn looks really nice :) but I dont like the new buildings beside the new hotel. Trying to copy laste 19th century was a big mistake. It looks like a "kuliss"

khaan

January 5th, 2008, 10:47 PM

but I dont like the new buildings beside the new hotel. Trying to copy laste 19th century was a big mistake. It looks like a "kuliss"

At least it isn't "nyfunkis" ;)

I like them. I think they fit in well at the location, we have several buildings with new architecture in the area going up so it's nice that they mix styles a bit.

Insane alex

January 6th, 2008, 01:14 AM

Khaan, WOW! Ur pics are beautifull!!! I'm impressed! :D

Great progress in the area, i must say! :)

wolkenkrabber

January 6th, 2008, 06:55 PM

Svea torn looks really nice :) but I dont like the new buildings beside the new hotel. Trying to copy laste 19th century was a big mistake. It looks like a "kuliss"

it might look like a plastic pastiche at the moment, but give them a few years to settle in, and i think it will look dandy good, it almost reminds me of what they are doing at neu market in Dresden

khaan

January 7th, 2008, 11:39 AM

Khaan, WOW! Ur pics are beautifull!!! I'm impressed! :D

Oh. Thanks :)

khaan

January 8th, 2008, 03:40 AM

I sent an email to Mikael Söderlund a while back about Yimby and some other stuff and got a response today.
As follows:

"Hej Anders,

Tack för ditt brev, Mikael söderlund har bett mig besvara det. Först vill jag be om ursäkt för sent svar.

Vi kommer att verka för en omfattande cityförnyelse i staden. Vi vill att Stockholm ska behålla och stärka sin internationella konkurrenskraft. Tillgången till attraktiv bebyggelse har en direkt koppling till förutsättningarna för en ekonomisk tillväxt i staden och regionen.

En viktig åtgärd för att öka byggandet är att påskynda framtagandet av detaljplaner. Genom en förenkling av plan- och bygglagens praktiska tillämpning kan planprocessen effektiviseras utan att medborgarinflytandet minskar. Ambitionen bör vara att på sikt halvera tiden från start till färdig detaljplan.

Vi uppskattar ert initiativ och hoppas att ni kan vara en viktig del i arbetet med att göra Stockholm till en mer spännande och attraktiv stad. Lycka till!

Med vänliga hälsningar
Magnus Thulin"

Nanoflux

January 8th, 2008, 05:04 PM

I did the same and got my response yesterday. It has some similarities with khaans response but here goes :)

Hej Roland,

Tack för ditt brev, Mikael söderlund har bett mig besvara det. Först vill jag be om ursäkt för sent svar.

Vi kommer att verka för en omfattande cityförnyelse i staden. Vi vill att Stockholm ska behålla och stärka sin internationella konkurrenskraft. Tillgången till attraktiv bebyggelse har en direkt koppling till förutsättningarna för en ekonomisk tillväxt i staden och regionen. Givetvis måste vi ta stor hänsyn till det som gjort Stockholm till den stad det är idag. Vi tror, som Ni, att nytt och gammalt går att kombinera och på många platser i Staden kan det bara bli bättre. Slussen är en sådan plats och vi tycker att det är väldigt bara att det börjar hända något i frågan. Vad roligt att höra att Ni ser ”Nya Slussen” som det rätta förslaget.

Med vänliga hälsningar
Magnus Thulin

Good stuff :)

.R

Swede

January 8th, 2008, 07:50 PM

^So, how many did send "fanmail";) ?
I'm sure they've taken note of us now in City Hall :D

Dan

January 8th, 2008, 11:53 PM

Yay for alliansen. :D

Stefan E

January 9th, 2008, 09:00 AM

Not everybody likes Mikael Söderlund's ideas:
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/artikel_752797.svd

http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/artikel_752793.svd

January 9th, 2008, 11:14 AM

Grönområden och ytor för rekreation betraktas numera som hinder för Stockholms utveckling.
Shows they have not a clue about what's going on.

Swede

January 9th, 2008, 07:53 PM

^The writers of those pieces are Samfundet S:t Erik (even more conservationist than Skönhetsrådet) and three (mp)-politicians. Again with the pro-suburbansprawl "enviomentalists". Sad.

SmithStan

January 9th, 2008, 10:45 PM

Not everybody likes Mikael Söderlund's ideas:
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/artikel_752797.svd

http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/artikel_752793.svd

well actually..they got some good things 2 say i think. everything is really focused on the innercity and the whole stockholm area would really benefit on a extension of the "city limits". today the city starts at "tulllarna" and it has for several hundred years, maybe it's time to make the city wider so it can grow. The suburbs are sad to see if you like cityplanning, and especially the area around kista could really function as a real city area if it's to some degree rebuilt. How cool wouldn't it be to have a real skyscrapercluster in kista(which nimby's actually might approve of) and a new city around it. For example a new "stadsdel" at barkabyfältet. Maybe there would be a way to have not so strict rules about building height in the kista area? I myself live at fredhäll/kungsholmen and no matter how much i'd like a highrise cluster here, really it's not gonna happen...although hornsberg would be a dream...a hongkong like skyline by the water...

Svempa99

January 9th, 2008, 11:13 PM

well actually..they got some good things 2 say i think. everything is really focused on the innercity and the whole stockholm area would really benefit on a extension of the "city limits". today the city starts at "tulllarna" and it has for several hundred years, maybe it's time to make the city wider so it can grow. The suburbs are sad to see if you like cityplanning, and especially the area around kista could really function as a real city area if it's to some degree rebuilt. How cool wouldn't it be to have a real skyscrapercluster in kista(which nimby's actually might approve of) and a new city around it. For example a new "stadsdel" at barkabyfältet. Maybe there would be a way to have not so strict rules about building height in the kista area? I myself live at fredhäll/kungsholmen and no matter how much i'd like a highrise cluster here, really it's not gonna happen...although hornsberg would be a dream...a hongkong like skyline by the water...

I must say I don't have that high thoughts about neither Miljöpartiet or Nimbys.

First of all, the critisism against Söderlund is not really accurate. It targets his will to build in some central locations. But when reading what he wants to do he clearly says that it's in the perimeter of the innercity that it's possible to really build new and high. And it's not really Söderlund who is the father of these ideas either, even if it is popular amongst his political oponents to make him look like some kind of godfather. The ideas have been around for many years. They are all a part of the architectural discourse in Stockholm, and that discourse is not mainly set by politicians, it's entrepreneurs, architects and planners that cracks new ideas.

I do however agree that it's more interesting to look at the areas outside "tullarna" for the future urban projects. Söderlund probably agree too. But MP and Nimbys... no, it's simply not possible to get that kind of people excited for any kind of development and progression.

Dan

January 9th, 2008, 11:37 PM

Söderlund replied -- take a look on SvD. They also said he will be writing in Brännpunkt to reply. :)

Swede

January 9th, 2008, 11:40 PM

well actually..they got some good things 2 say i think. everything is really focused on the innercity and the whole stockholm area would really benefit on a extension of the "city limits". today the city starts at "tulllarna" and it has for several hundred years, maybe it's time to make the city wider so it can grow.
But that's the thing... those aren't critizisms of Söderlund (or Yimby's position)! Those are supporting arguements för the current policy. Most of the new areas going urban are clearly outside Tullarna. Hammarby Sjöstad, Liljeholmen, Nordvästra Kungsholmen, Hjorthagen, Norra Station, Värtan are ALL outside Tullarna and outside the "old" Inner City as defined by the urban edge for most of the 20th century. Further this edge is actually a 20th century thing! go back 150 years and the suburbs didn't really exist and the city did NOT extend to Tullarna solidly. ThHe whole idea of all these ideas is for the Inner City to grow! So what's the compolaining about? that we're thinking too big? what?

The suburbs are sad to see if you like cityplanning, and especially the area around kista could really function as a real city area if it's to some degree rebuilt. How cool wouldn't it be to have a real skyscrapercluster in kista(which nimby's actually might approve of) and a new city around it. For example a new "stadsdel" at barkabyfältet. Maybe there would be a way to have not so strict rules about building height in the kista area? I myself live at fredhäll/kungsholmen and no matter how much i'd like a highrise cluster here, really it's not gonna happen...although hornsberg would be a dream...a hongkong like skyline by the water...
Lo and behold, that's what yimby is saying! You can forget about Barkabyfältet getting urban tho, if anything it'll be rowhouses but just as likelly it'll get protected out of a missguided enviormental concern (I live fairly close, in Kista. May the gods have mercy on you if you say you wanna build on Järvafältet's "nature" parts! Some very vocal natives will get restless :\ )
As a Kista native (born & raised) I too hope for much much greater density and urbanity hereabouts. Kista could become an actual urban place in part, but I don't see it happening for a good while yet :( the latest completed building (KistaTerrass1) is very suburban. And that's with the stated intention of densifying and urbanizing. It's like the planners and builders don't understand the concept "urban".

khaan

January 9th, 2008, 11:49 PM

I wrote a reply to the S:t Erik post:
http://yimby.se/2008/01/ar-stockholms-identitet-p_411.html

Boscorelli

January 10th, 2008, 08:35 AM

Can't help but to think about the Marriott hotel in Stockholm and how darn ugly it is, especially considering the location it's going to get. Is the design we seen for a long while the final or can we hope for a sudden change like it happened with the kungsbro house being built right now?

Or is this uglyness acctually what we are going to get?:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/110/viewfromparkmedcourtyarrb1.jpg

Svempa99

January 10th, 2008, 09:25 AM

Where is good old Chilenofuturista? I miss him.

khaan

January 10th, 2008, 10:52 AM

Dalénområdet, Lidingö. New development:

http://www.lidingo.se/net/Lidingo+Stad+Ex/Pressrum/Pressmeddelandearkiv/Pressmeddelanden+L/1193207825837/

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/dalen/1.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/dalen/2.jpg

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/dalen/3.jpg

I like the highrise but the rest.. why the suburban look once again?

January 10th, 2008, 10:58 AM

Svempa99

January 10th, 2008, 11:19 AM

I like the highrise but the rest.. why the suburban look once again?

Because it is a suburb?

Swede

January 10th, 2008, 11:38 AM

Chileno is around, but lots of schoolwork for him at the moment. :)
---------------------

That's the back of the Marriott, it's the other side that's much more important. Hope that side is actually urban instead of the suburbaness of the south side (that's the one in the rendering). Surface parking lot on at least a third of the site! that ain't urban.
---------------------

Dalénområdet is, for me, a pleasant surprise. It doesn't go all the way, but a few things are done right. One nice bit is it ain't Nyfunkis. Another is the density is going up compared to older projects. Bad bits are the row of extremly suburban highrises on the left, the uniform architectue, the uniform height and the way it shys away from real closed city blocks.
As always the rendering lie too. It'll never be that many people out and about there. On a busy day it might get a third as many as in those renderings.

khaan

January 10th, 2008, 12:38 PM

Because it is a suburb?

Aren't we supposed to stop building those? ;)
I mean, really, I can understand the *scale* here. But why the breakup of the blocks? Build according to a grid with the houses facing the street instead.
Parts of the development is this way but in the fringes it breaks up, effectively stopping any further future expansion of the blocks in a good way..

Swede

January 10th, 2008, 01:06 PM

A small update from Kista, 5 days ago.

KistaMässan is well underway. The buildings on the left is also gonna be part of the conventioncenter.
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/20080105/p6923.jpg

That pile will replaced by the Scandic Kista tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=553315).
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/20080105/p6924.jpg

Parkinglot behind the trees? Site of the KistaTerrass skyscraper (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=555574). If it gets built. No sign of it on the KistaTerrass website anymore... :(
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/20080105/p6931.jpg

First phase of KistaTerrass is basically done and at least on part has been moved into already. Suburban office park! aargh.
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/20080105/p6932.jpg

The parkinglot that was going to be Kista Residence Tower. Sigh. But now this project (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=554712) is lined up for the site.
http://hem.bredband.net/torkel120/20080105/p6916.jpg

Muthai

January 10th, 2008, 05:09 PM

http://gardebring.com/shared/skyscrapercity/dalen/2.jpg

This pics looks quite like Tornby City in Linköping, with tho old brickhouse and i new glassed highrise. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=554736)

Insane alex

January 10th, 2008, 06:07 PM

I like the highrise but the rest.. why the suburban look once again?

I like it! Maybe there should be more diversity in architecture though.. But the density is pretty nice!

Why shouldn't it have suburban look, it is the suburbs! :P Besides urbanity won't fit in this area anyway, considering it's surrounded by villas...

Dan

January 10th, 2008, 11:32 PM

Good news...road and rail projects will get lots of extra money and priority. :)
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=731309

Dan

January 11th, 2008, 07:18 AM

Don't orgasm too much. :P
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/artikel_761199.svd

And in DN Jan Björnklund talks about a 350 km/h train connection to Göteborg and Copenhagen.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=572&a=731792
(another great article IMO)

khaan

January 11th, 2008, 10:05 AM

January 11th, 2008, 12:56 PM

I'm in love with Mikael Söderlund!

safta20

January 11th, 2008, 01:16 PM

TOB1AS

January 11th, 2008, 02:07 PM

Ringil

January 11th, 2008, 03:22 PM

I got a small shock this morning when I went out to fetch the newspaper :lol: "34 skyskrapor ska byggas i Stockholm" in big letters on the frontpage!

January 11th, 2008, 03:25 PM

34 new skyscrapers in Stockholm. Hmmm I wonder how many of those skyscrapers that are 5-10 floors:lol:
Swedish politicians may have a warped view on the definition of a skyscraper, but I seriously doubt that 5 floors would fall under that category. 20 floors and more is more likely to be considered as a scraper by their measures though. But hey, I'd rather have 34 high-rise proposals than none at all.. ;)

Swede

January 11th, 2008, 06:08 PM

yeah, even in Sweden skyscraper means over 10 floors tall. Could even be that they're using the 12fl/35m cut-off that we're kinda using here :)
12fl isn't much, but since 4floors is considerd high-rise by many...

Svempa99

January 11th, 2008, 06:33 PM

I think a scraper is approxiamtely 20 storeys and upwards. In a Swedish context that would make sense. The first Gothia Tower for instance was only 17 storeys but it still has the look of a real "Dallas house".

Boscorelli

January 11th, 2008, 07:25 PM

khaan

January 11th, 2008, 08:56 PM

We just ordered a "blommogram" from yimby to Söderlund to be delievered on monday.

http://www.interflora.se/images/productimage/bimg/buk_3106_2_stor.jpg

:)

khaan

January 11th, 2008, 08:57 PM

And this Nimby on the streets of Stockholm was aked what he thought of highrises in the city and he replied someting like:
"No I wan't to keep the buildings low like in London! :D

Hahahah! What a tool ;)

http://www.foliophoto.co.uk/images/gherkin_l.jpg

muster

January 11th, 2008, 09:31 PM

^^I really like the cucumber:drool:

But guys, and this is not ment as some Sweden spam, I`m seriously a bit worried for you. What is going on in Sweden???

When I look at the swedish highrise and construction threads, I havent found ONE interesting project. You have some nice sports-areanas coming, but no cool highrises or bigger housing projects etc. It seems like you have some kind of artistic collaps:ohno:

I admit I havent read all the threads, and it isn`t fantastic in Norway either, but I really think Sweden should do better. For now it looks like Denmark have the best projects in Scandinavia. Sweden should be more creative I think. Some of the proposed highrises are extremely boring..

So guys, whats going on? And what do you think is the best/most interesting project in Sweden now?

Swede

January 11th, 2008, 09:36 PM

There are quite a few interesting projects in Stockholm at least. Most aren't close to approval (one in Kista is - just weeks away), but mostly it's just a slow news-year so far in Sweden skyscraper-wise. Except today when Mikael Söderlund (Stadsbyggnadsbargarråd in Sthlm) did his awesome reply to nimbys speaking out against building in Stockholm. I see a huge debate comming in the next few months about all this. And I forsee that most Stockholmers these days do realize that Stockholm is a big city and is growing and that Stockholm's skyline really isn't all that unique nor is the InnerCity anywhere near too dense and it can grow outwards too.
I forsee a yimby win.

January 11th, 2008, 09:41 PM

Hold your horses now, Swede, we shouldn't celebrate just yet..:) But no matter what this is still a small victory for "us"!

January 11th, 2008, 10:20 PM

Speaking of the whole country, then Björntanden is fairly interesting, isn't it? Too bad it's far from a done deal yet.

Svempa99

January 11th, 2008, 10:37 PM

Speaking of the whole country, then Björntanden is fairly interesting, isn't it? Too bad it's far from a done deal yet.

Screw da tooth! Da moose is da shit! :banana:

January 11th, 2008, 11:24 PM

heheh.. I was hoping noone would mention it

safta20

January 11th, 2008, 11:25 PM

We just ordered a "blommogram" from yimby to Söderlund to be delievered on monday.

http://www.interflora.se/images/productimage/bimg/buk_3106_2_stor.jpg

:)

Haha Yes! I'll pay my part next time I see you;)

safta20

January 11th, 2008, 11:57 PM

Here's some pictures of the 2 proposals for the "Albanofältet". Have anyone posted these pictures here before?

http://www.christensenco.dk/img/projekter/26/ill_1.jpg

http://www.christensenco.dk/img/projekter/26/ill_2.jpg

http://www.christensenco.dk/img/projekter/26/ill_4.jpg

http://www.christensenco.dk/img/projekter/26/ill_3.jpg

http://www.ssci.se/upload/Albano/BSK%20Arkitekter%20SU-nytt.jpg

Dan

January 12th, 2008, 12:19 AM

Where is that?

More news - no new mall at Odenplan:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=732223

safta20

January 12th, 2008, 12:45 AM

Universitetsområdet.

Ok as you recognize I've made a ride through the Internet again to see whats going on in this city. You are used to this by now don't you;)

Here's something they'll build in a block near observatorielunden. This picture have been posted in another thread here somewhere before.

http://www.whiteview.se/img/noflash.jpg

safta20

January 12th, 2008, 12:58 AM

And this is what Stadsgårdens vänner (http://www.stadsgarden.com/index.htm)want to do.

http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/3.JPG

http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/2.JPG

http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/4.JPG

http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/7.JPG

http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/Danvik1.jpg

Glennke

January 12th, 2008, 03:19 AM

We just ordered a "blommogram" from yimby to Söderlund to be delievered on monday.

http://www.interflora.se/images/productimage/bimg/buk_3106_2_stor.jpg

:)

another one that deserves a "blommogram" is Gardebring (khaan) for starting yimby.se!

I love that blue thing safta20 :happy:

wolkenkrabber

January 12th, 2008, 08:03 AM

That Stadsgårdens vänner plan IMO scream sydney, and i quite like the terraced houses climbing up from the waterfront, it feels like, if they get the right touch it can be a huge sucsess and if they get it a tad bit wrong it'll become just another "miljonprogram area"

(if my spelling is a tad bit off it's because i just woke up)

stockholm_city

January 12th, 2008, 08:15 AM

Of course not. It will be 15 floors and still be called a landmark....

Hehe i guess it will never heapond but it would not be impossible cause Gustavsberg is the boundary of Stockholm suburbs and archipelago.

Swede

January 12th, 2008, 09:51 AM

Where is that?
More news - no new mall at Odenplan:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=732223
That's... not so good. But I can live with it. The important thing here is the commuterrail stations and the new branch of the Green line. And those wil lbe going ahead :) When we did the interview for City at Odenplan the old man who came up and was upset about the build-plans didn't want ANY of that built either (he was a true nimby, his opinion was the only that mattered since he'd lived in the area for decades and nothing should get built).

And this is what Stadsgårdens vänner (http://www.stadsgarden.com/index.htm)want to do.
http://www.stadsgarden.com/images/3.JPG
I have no hope for this plan, for two reasons. One: It won't get built. Two: I don't wnt it built. Just another suburb-in-the-city. Tragic that such plans are still hatched, this type of planing is what's wrong many suburbs and now they want it in the middle of the InnerCity?
The basic idea of decking over Stadsgårdskajen and building the city down to the water's edge is an excellent one, but the buildings and the urban planning is horrible. Also... the same building repeated all those times in a row with basically a house-in-a-park planning? Miljonprogram! Neo-commieblocks!
The rail-plan in the last map has a few good ideas, but is IMO clearly bad in some ways (Tvärbanan->Saltsjöbanan? no)

Svempa99

January 12th, 2008, 11:05 AM

I agree, it's hideous. It's not realistic though. If they would build here (one of the best places in Stockholm) then they would of course try to get as much flats as possible. Terracing like that just reduces the residential space. Compare for instance with that place (don't remember the name) north west of the city where they are gonna build out the quay into the water.

onetwothree

January 12th, 2008, 12:20 PM

The T-Banan proposal actually looks pretty cool, but it'd be awfully expensive building those stations underwater I'd imagine. The rest of the proposal (the terraces) doesn't look good at all imo, but I like the look of Albanofältet :D

khaan

January 14th, 2008, 01:59 PM

That's... not so good. But I can live with it. The important thing here is the commuterrail stations and the new branch of the Green line. And those wil lbe going ahead :) When we did the interview for City at Odenplan the old man who came up and was upset about the build-plans didn't want ANY of that built either (he was a true nimby, his opinion was the only that mattered since he'd lived in the area for decades and nothing should get built).

Yeah. He sure was a TRUE nimby. It was a bit odd speaking to him. Like he lived in a different world or something. So much bitterness and, well, almost hate!
So, the green like to Karolinska has a final go-ahead now?

I have no hope for this plan, for two reasons. One: It won't get built. Two: I don't wnt it built. Just another suburb-in-the-city.

I agree. I do not like it. The area has qualities and location that should allow for a much higher explotation of the area. Build city blocks with a river walk.

khaan

January 14th, 2008, 02:02 PM

Michael Söderlund said on ABC just now that people have been contacting him about the need of higher and more modern buildings in Stockholm and that must be some of you guys! :)
And this Nimby on the streets of Stockholm was aked what he thought of highrises in the city and he replied someting like:
"No I wan't to keep the buildings low like in London! :D

I have seen the program on the web now.
They asked three persons. All older. All negative. All content with they way things are, safe in their apartements bought long ago...
Wow. How balanced..
I think they would had gotten somewhat different responses if they had asked younger people...

The program is here:
http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/player.jsp?a=1022699&d=35807

safta20

January 14th, 2008, 04:01 PM

I have seen the program on the web now.
They asked three persons. All older. All negative. All content with they way things are, safe in their apartements bought long ago...
Wow. How balanced..
I think they would had gotten somewhat different responses if they had asked younger people...

The program is here:
http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/player.jsp?a=1022699&d=35807

Older people know that they will die (or at least not live many years) before they get any benefit of the construction.

January 17th, 2008, 09:31 PM

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=733663

I know a certain group of people loading their guns and getting ready to bomb these proposals back to the middle-ages. It looks quite nice, for all I care they can build over that entire park..

kall_man

January 18th, 2008, 11:33 AM

http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan/artikel_784611.svd

This isn't your typical SvD opinion piece. :)

Nanoflux

January 18th, 2008, 04:01 PM

I really like the addons to the existing university buildings. Always thought they looked horrible. Build it!

.R

khaan

January 18th, 2008, 06:57 PM

http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan/artikel_784611.svd

This isn't your typical SvD opinion piece. :)

Wow! Amazing!
Perhaps SvD though they had to write something positive about the changes at least.
Still, this is more of a political article than about the actual constructions proposed...

safta20

January 18th, 2008, 11:17 PM

khaan

January 19th, 2008, 02:36 AM

A gigantic puzzle will be built at Campus Gärdet (http://www.akademiskahus.se/index.php?id=487&lProjektID=180). The puzzle pieces will light up during the night.

http://www.akademiskahus.se/download.php?lDocsID=5040&strDB=aka
http://www.akademiskahus.se/download.php?lDocsID=5039&strDB=aka
http://www.akademiskahus.se/download.php?lDocsID=5038&strDB=aka

Looks a bit cool.
To bad the city ends like a block from there due to the huge field called "Gärdet". The further down Valhallavägen you go, the less people there is.

safta20

January 20th, 2008, 12:25 PM

They might build a screen on Sergels hus where people can play computergames via their Mobile:lol:

Here's a link (http://www.afafastigheter.se/blankpage.aspx?id=267)

January 20th, 2008, 12:43 PM

^^ More big screens for Sthlm!

EDIT: Btw, "might"? This is u/c as we speak afaik. And it's nice that they´re adding another floor and refreshing the facade! I also like that they´re opening up the bottom floors and making them more urban and big city..ish.

Render:
http://www.afafastigheter.se/upload/109/bau.jpg

Dan

January 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM

I would prefer to see those ugly buildings there on Klarabergsviadukten torn down instead, but I guess renovations are nice and certainly better than nothing. :p Any idea when these improvements might be done?

January 20th, 2008, 04:45 PM

As I said, I believe these improvements is u/c. That site implies it and iirc there was something going on last time I walked by.

khaan

January 20th, 2008, 05:36 PM

As I said, I believe these improvements is u/c. That site implies it and iirc there was something going on last time I walked by.

I think the new floor is already in progress, I also noticed scaffolding and construction on the roof going on last time I passed.

khaan

January 20th, 2008, 06:36 PM

I also noted that most of the stores in the building had signs about that they were about to close down or move for a while due to works on the building.
So It looks like that screen is going to be. Nice, something like that will fit perfectly in the area.

BTW, found an image:
http://www.billebro.se/bildarkiv/97.jpg
It is the building in the middle of the picture.

Swede

January 20th, 2008, 06:44 PM

Old pic (but good luck finding non-touristy pics of Stockholm online!), really helped place things for me. I'd love a larger screen though - and one facing Plattan.

khaan

January 20th, 2008, 07:55 PM

What is really funny is when I tried to find a pic of Klara post-terminal.
I could only find pictures of the building being torn down!
That says quite a bit about a building when you cannot find pictures of a building located on such a central spot...

Swede

January 21st, 2008, 08:58 AM

hehe, yeah. The only place (as you know) is eniro.se's "utsikt".

sapmi

January 21st, 2008, 03:14 PM

Sims

January 24th, 2008, 12:48 PM

15-floor highrise in Högdalen, South Stockholm.

http://www.veidekkebostad.se/Upload/vb/projekt/Ekbacken/Ekbacken_original.pdf

Construction completion date: Autumn 2008

khaan

January 24th, 2008, 01:10 PM

15-floor highrise in Högdalen, South Stockholm.

http://www.veidekkebostad.se/Upload/vb/projekt/Ekbacken/Ekbacken_original.pdf

Construction completion date: Autumn 2008

Haha. They call it a landmark. Thats a tad funny I think...
If it was 25 floors+ it would be though (considering the surroundings).
Now it just looks cut off..

K-J N.

January 24th, 2008, 06:10 PM

15-floor highrise in Högdalen, South Stockholm.

http://www.veidekkebostad.se/Upload/vb/projekt/Ekbacken/Ekbacken_original.pdf

Construction completion date: Autumn 2008
Bad cellphone pic on how it looked in December 07
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/ekbacken1.jpg

Haha. They call it a landmark. Thats a tad funny I think...
If it was 25 floors+ it would be though (considering the surroundings).
Now it just looks cut off..
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/ekbacken2.jpg
Now it just blends in with the commieblocks in the area.

And here's a building that is u/c at Högdalen that look intresting considering it's a building for poor students...

http://www.ssark.se/bilder/projektbilder/tvarslan-fasad-530jpg.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/tvarslan1.jpg
This one is more of a landmark than Ekbacken (the crane in the above pics is where Ekbacken is).

Insane alex

January 24th, 2008, 06:50 PM

Gosh the 15 floorer is ugly, looks like some old italian communie building!

January 24th, 2008, 07:09 PM

Högdalen sure is "beautiful"...

khaan

January 24th, 2008, 07:13 PM

Högdalen sure is "beautiful"...

And they CONTINUE to do the same errors when they build new stuff...
Hey! We got an area with no working structure, let's build more, still without a working structure.. yay!

:ohno:

Dan

January 24th, 2008, 10:31 PM

That first one there is indeed ugly... but the second one is quite cool, I think. :)

Swede

January 25th, 2008, 08:50 AM

That new highrise is, like you guys have pointed out, far from a landmark. I n fact I'd say it cements the existing style in Högdalen. If it was twice or thice as tall it'd be a landmark.
I like the slab of student housing by the subway too :) they should'a made it 2-3 times as tall too. And not sure how the groundfloor looks, is it just a wall or are there any shops/kiosks/kebab joints there? That close to the subway station and the bus-station...

khaan

January 25th, 2008, 10:12 AM

lawson18

January 26th, 2008, 04:12 AM

it is dam ugly , looks like a lot of cheap materails were used to build it.

Chilenofuturista

January 26th, 2008, 09:09 AM

it is dam ugly , looks like a lot of cheap materails were used to build it.

Yep, it sure does look ugly.

It would be even better if foreigners like you my friend could tell them too since many people in Stockholm truly believe that EVERYTHING in the city is literally "sacred" and "unique" (God, I love that word) as if everything else in the world is just rubbish.... And that everything that will be built in Stockholm is "very good". We suffer of two diseases called "lack of humility" and "lack of self-criticism".

safta20

January 26th, 2008, 09:32 AM

Here is an email-adress to Veidekke:
info@veidekke.se
Mail them and tell them what they are doing wrong!

I strongly believe in always telling the companies why we don't want to live in the buildings they create. They must understand that most people dont like the commieblock style...

Yes and also send a mail to the guys behind the student house cause that one looks different and interesting even though it's a cheap student house. It doesn't have to cost money to build something different.

January 26th, 2008, 11:40 AM

Yep, it sure does look ugly.

It would be even better if foreigners like you my friend could tell them too since many people in Stockholm truly believe that EVERYTHING in the city is literally "sacred" and "unique" (God, I love that word) as if everything else in the world is just rubbish.... And that everything that will be built in Stockholm is "very good". We suffer of two diseases called "lack of humility" and "lack of self-criticism".

Word! If more foreign people question the fact that nothing interesting gets built it could perhaps open the eyes of our close-minded nimbys. The lack of perspective is the most frightnening thing IMO. Sometimes I wonder if some people in Sthlm has ever been outside tullarna, since they claim that every goddamn aspect of the city is unique.

sapmi

January 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM

I hate it! Whyyyyy? Whyyyy? How in hell could this shit be built?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/ekbacken2.jpg

khaan

January 26th, 2008, 05:05 PM

Bad cellphone pic on how it looked in December 07
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/ekbacken1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/ekbacken2.jpg
Now it just blends in with the commieblocks in the area.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/neopokekun/photos/tvarslan1.jpg
This one is more of a landmark than Ekbacken (the crane in the above pics is where Ekbacken is).

Can I use these pics in a blogpost? And who should I, in that case, attribute the images to?

K-J N.

January 26th, 2008, 07:10 PM

Can I use these pics in a blogpost?
Sure, go right ahead.

And who should I, in that case, attribute the images to?
Either Karl-Johan or K-J N. (which is my initials).

khaan

January 27th, 2008, 03:51 AM

Okey. As most of you guys already now we have started Yimby in Stockholm to promote urbanisation, bold architecture, skyscrapers, and in general being a pain in the ass for all the nimbys ;)

But, until now you had to be a member of facebook to join since we only have existed as a facebook-group and a blog.
Starting right now (well, like 30 minutes ago) it is possible to sign up for a membership via the homepage. No facebook needed.

So if anyone living in Stockholm hasn't joined yet because of the whole facebook-thing, no need to hold back anymore :)

Just go to
http://www.yimby.se/
and click the link up to the right named "Gå med!".

lawson18

January 27th, 2008, 06:13 AM

Yep, it sure does look ugly.

It would be even better if foreigners like you my friend could tell them too since many people in Stockholm truly believe that EVERYTHING in the city is literally "sacred" and "unique" (God, I love that word) as if everything else in the world is just rubbish.... And that everything that will be built in Stockholm is "very good". We suffer of two diseases called "lack of humility" and "lack of self-criticism".

lol every country will suffer this because of cheap developers , have a look at this building its my university.I was introducing it to this Swedish girl once she hated it so much.....lol

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/173/450pxuts2csydneyll0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7784/utstowerph0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Chilenofuturista

January 27th, 2008, 06:56 AM

^^
Yes, but that's really nothing. At least it's a tall building. :)

Tall buildings are seen here as :nono: :horse:

January 27th, 2008, 10:43 AM

http://www.e24.se/ego/startsidan_s189/http://www.e24.se/branscher/fastighetbygg/artikel_212413.e24

The new Clarion Sign are soon too be open. I'd love to try that heated pool on the roof :)

lawson18

January 27th, 2008, 10:45 AM

^^
Yes, but that's really nothing. At least it's a tall building. :)

Tall buildings are seen here as :nono: :horse:

too many nimbys they will never die,although the density looks pretty cool in Sweden not too tall ,must've been a lot of propaganda when the turning torso went up

Dan

January 27th, 2008, 11:11 AM

An ugly building that is tall is just making the problem even more visible! :P

safta20

January 27th, 2008, 12:04 PM

New picture of Kungsbrohuset. It won´t look like this in the reality of course.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_pics/articleimage17791.jpg

khaan

January 27th, 2008, 01:31 PM

New picture of Kungsbrohuset. It won´t look like this in the reality of course.

http://www.branschnyheter.se/bdh_pics/articleimage17791.jpg

With an excellent camera, long exposure time and photoshop it might! ;)

Dan

January 27th, 2008, 01:33 PM

Very cool...and who knows, maybe it will. That whole area there is really getting a total makeover, with the Clarion Sign Hotel, the Park Inn Stockholm Waterfront Hotel, etc. :)

January 27th, 2008, 02:11 PM

That render is actually kinda misleading, since the new building will have 10 floors instead of 9 :)

Boscorelli

January 27th, 2008, 03:45 PM

I was thinking about the Clarion Hotel Sign at Norra Bantorget, isn't it supposed to open it's doors on the 5th of february?
Has anyone walked past it lately? Does it look ready for business?

Dan

January 27th, 2008, 04:39 PM

Seems to almost be, this was in SvD today:
http://www.e24.se/branscher/fastighetbygg/artikel_212413.e24
:)

khaan

January 27th, 2008, 07:59 PM

I was thinking about the Clarion Hotel Sign at Norra Bantorget, isn't it supposed to open it's doors on the 5th of february?
Has anyone walked past it lately? Does it look ready for business?

Yeah, I went by about an hour ago actually and it looks pretty close to business. I took a couple of pics, I'll get around to put them up later...

khaan

January 27th, 2008, 09:32 PM

Ok. Some pics.
First from the teardown of "Stockholm Klara" and then two pics of the hotel.

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/1.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/2.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/3.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/4.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/5.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/8.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/6.jpg

http://yimby.se/shared/scc/sthlm1/7.jpg

safta20

January 27th, 2008, 09:48 PM

^^Yeeeehaaaaa:guns1:

Here's another 60's commie that Svenska Bostäder want to renovate. Ifound the project at Rosenbergs arkitekter (http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html). The commie is as far as I can understand the one in the first picture taken from Eniro.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2224183632_130cdd5898_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2224262956_7b48a34182_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2137/2223391759_afdf947964_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2349/2223391699_b32af0764a_o.jpg

sapmi

January 27th, 2008, 10:09 PM

^^ not that much better... :ohno:

Boscorelli

January 27th, 2008, 10:16 PM

^^

I think that building is where the hospital staff used to live.

Great photos Khaan and the quality of that camera must be quite good.
The first image is almost a bit scary. When I grew up my cousin who was a few years younger than me was absolutely terrified by those monster machines :)

safta20

January 27th, 2008, 10:42 PM

Dan

January 27th, 2008, 11:31 PM

^^ not that much better... :ohno:
It's worse!

EszettRocks

January 28th, 2008, 12:31 AM

khaan

January 28th, 2008, 12:33 AM

Wow, talk about injustice! They're gonna totally rape that rather decent looking 'commie', at least those renders suggests so. Horrible!

With a different color scheme it just might work.
With this color scheme... not so much.

Chilenofuturista

January 28th, 2008, 07:36 AM

khaan

January 28th, 2008, 09:56 AM

Here is my "diss" of the Högdalen commie:
http://yimby.se/2008/01/veidekke-bygger-miljonpro_430.html

Swede

January 28th, 2008, 05:50 PM

And here is pictures of what Rosenbergs Arkitekter (http://www.rosenbergs.se/default.html) on an assignment from Familjebostäder want to build in Årstabrg. Let's see if it will become true.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2224330844_6ebcef9f51_o.jpg
Vancouver is a good source for inspiration, but even so thia is IMO a failure. Very very suburban. A combo of commieblock planning and a few rowhouses added between the highrises. Not even a new idea (a few bits of that here in Kista, with 4s "highrises").
The towers do look kinda tall in a way, but looking at the scale a bit closer shows how they look tall mainly thanks to being slim, not by actually being tall. 10 floors? This is 20 m from a commuterrail/LRT/bus station for crying out loud! I've been by there a few times in the last 6 months and the spot IS excellent for densification. But doing it like this is wasteful.
I say, do highrises from 20 to 40 storeys tall (taller the closer to the station you get), with bases at least 4s tall, with a mix of offices and residentials in the development (not offices in one end and appartments at the other, but MIXED).

Calling the Rosenberg plan similar to Vancouver is to miss everything about the Vancouver model that makes it work. THIS is Vancouver, spot the difference?
http://rolandlewis.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/espana-towers.jpg

Chilenofuturista

January 28th, 2008, 06:00 PM

^^

Perfect explanation!

staff

January 28th, 2008, 06:58 PM

Good, Swede. The Vancouver model (which is directly fetched from the Chinese/Hong Kong model with modifications) is a great alternative for our cities. Highrise developments in Scandinavia are generally residential, and this is true for Vancouver as well.
I would like to see a similar model for the Nyhamnen area in Malmö, which is to undergo redevelopment during the next years as well, and is also close to the Central Station.

khaan

January 28th, 2008, 11:09 PM

Yimbys proposal for the development in the Hjorthagen area has now been sent to the city building office:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/01/yimby-lamnar-in-inlaga-ti_431.html

January 29th, 2008, 11:55 AM

WHAT THE *BLEEP*! I suggest everyone to check out Aftonbladet.se and look at the most pro-nimby photo manipulation I've ever seen! This calls for damage control, I'll mail these *bleep*ers and ask'em which *bleep* first-timer photoshoper they told to put scrapers in GAMLA STAN... Blah!

SmarterChild

January 29th, 2008, 12:19 PM

And what's this all about? Framtidens New York? :D

http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/inrikes/article1725998.ab

khaan

January 29th, 2008, 12:26 PM

And what's this all about? Framtidens New York? :D

http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/inrikes/article1725998.ab

We are on it:
http://www.yimby.se/2008/01/kvallstidningsjournalisti_433.html

Im am thinking of taking it to "pressombudsmannen" or something.

Stefan E

January 29th, 2008, 12:37 PM

Skyscrapers incompatible with the dense city:
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/mer/kommentar/artikel_817871.svd

January 29th, 2008, 12:57 PM

^^ The people they expose in the media these days...

wolkenkrabber

January 29th, 2008, 01:16 PM

i totaly agree, it furiated me as well, and then that the reporter takes a stroll on prästgatan in the old town made it feel even more as if that was what was going to be replaced...

Insane alex

January 29th, 2008, 04:48 PM

It's f*cking aftonbladet what did you expect....

TOB1AS

January 29th, 2008, 05:34 PM

I wish they made that to all commieblocks in Sweden! We would definitely need some of it here in Malmö at least.

Or they could do it this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjvYaF-CJIY

Dan

January 29th, 2008, 05:45 PM

Sheesh... AB has always been sucky though.

Boscorelli

January 29th, 2008, 11:58 PM

Insane alex

January 30th, 2008, 12:19 AM

I would love to see some highrises next to the arena, perfect spot for some 20 fl + towers there with globen and all. :)

khaan

January 30th, 2008, 12:26 AM

I would love to see some highrises next to the arena, perfect spot for some 20 fl + towers there with globen and all. :)

Yeah. You can really feel it on that drawing. A couple of highrises would make the area so much more interresting!
And also, of course, increase the people in the area, hence density and streetlife... The area is rather dead now when there isn't anything going on at the arena...

January 30th, 2008, 12:27 AM

Hammarby's stadium will be situated right to the south of Globen, and be for football use only, so the final plan will be different. Sad that they plan for so few real closed blocks, and that the area will be so isolated. No one will pass by or have any business on those streets if they build like that.

khaan

January 30th, 2008, 02:45 AM

Skyscrapers incompatible with the dense city:
http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/mer/kommentar/artikel_817871.svd

Yimbys response.
http://yimby.se/2008/01/svenska-dagbladet-slar-ti_434.html

I just love how he calls the Danviksklippan houses skyscrapers...
http://yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/89494c29-d2cd-4562-872c-5f11be884332.jpg

Yeah. That's a skyscraper... Really...

And another gem. He critizices the way we built in the 60:s (and who doesn't) and yet, this is the kind of shit he creates himself:

http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/413eb99c-7aca-4665-80ba-641c609f5587.jpg

Yeah... Not 60:s at all...

Chilenofuturista

January 30th, 2008, 08:38 AM

kall_man

January 30th, 2008, 09:24 AM

Found this picture of a suggestion on how arenastaden next to globen could look like. I know that there was some talk about building things at slakthusområdet but I havn't heard anything, perhaps it is still on a very early stage?

http://www.awlark.se/upload/projektbilder/stadsbyggnad/arenastaden/1arenastaden.jpg

That is sooo old. The arena will be placed in the green triangle, Sandstuparken, just to the east of the spot in the drawing. Obviously, the houses in between won't be built.

That it's only a football arena is wrong though, as AEG is the primary builder it will be a football and event arena for approximately 30 000 spectators.

Dan

January 30th, 2008, 09:27 AM

A few tall buildings near Globen would work, but they would never let anything be big or tall enough to block it. One of the key features of Globen is that you can see it shining at night, particularly when they have different colors on it and such. I guess I agree too -- it's a cool building and blocking it would be a shame. Better to have skyscrapers elsewhere. Or at the very least not in front of it when facing Stockholm, to the sides might be ok.

khaan

January 30th, 2008, 10:42 AM

Any thoughts on yimbys proposal for Hjorthagen?
http://yimby.se/2008/01/yimby-lamnar-in-inlaga-ti_431.html

Original proposal:
http://yimby.se/material/hjorthagen/mkb/original.jpg

Our proposal:
http://yimby.se/material/hjorthagen/mkb/mkb_v4_utan_text.jpg

http://yimby.se/material/hjorthagen/mkb/mkb_v4.jpg

Here is, btw, another proposal from so called "enviromentally friendly" people.
When will they realise we are the ones that are thinking of the enviroment?
http://www.nationalstadsparken.se/planer/pespektivl.jpg

January 30th, 2008, 01:01 PM

What a wasteland that "enviromentally friendly" proposal is. All you see is roads, some monotonous and horizontally gigantic buildings and difficult access to the park.

Are they thinking that if you don't accomodate any people, then they will just disappear into nothing? If you don't build for them here, then they have to stay elsewhere, probably somewhere with more difficult access to the nature and further transportation needs to access work, entertainment and shopping.

I do like Yimby's plan and really appreciate all the work done on it. Keep it up :)

safta20

January 30th, 2008, 04:14 PM

Dan

January 30th, 2008, 05:56 PM

I like the yimby proposal a lot. :)

Swede

January 30th, 2008, 06:08 PM

khaan

January 30th, 2008, 06:47 PM

Svempa99

January 30th, 2008, 08:31 PM

Swede, maybe you should write SBK right away and say that you + organization will try to stop the project with every possibility in the plan process. The present proposal simply don't benefit you as a local. A nice wood is replaced somthing that just makes Kista more of a low-rise ghetto. Get organized!
:cheers:

Jonte myra

January 30th, 2008, 10:30 PM

Count me in Swede!

January 31st, 2008, 07:33 AM

Me too. That's bullshit man, Kista's supposed to grow vertically!

Chilenofuturista

January 31st, 2008, 12:39 PM

Just a quick warning: I'm gonna do a yimby-thing for a part of Kista (IBM-skogen) that is now getting roads built and the paln is to develop it. Already local nimbys are acting up, but IMO us yimbys should be way more upset. This is walking distance from the subway and right by the proposed Tvärbanan line and yet... RADHUS! frickin' rowhouses! 240 units! It's crazy. why o why rowhouses? an urban development would mean at least 20 times that! By the gods, when will the planners learn???

Planning is not a profession. It's a calling. If you want to earn wad or/and become famous you study law, economics or arts. You don't study planning. :) No, no, no and once again- NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously speaking, I'd say that at least 90% of planners/human geographers are insecure people that didn't know and still don't know what to do with their lives, they could have perfectly studied another (more mediocre) thing that would have been more suitable for them (and for us, society that has to deal with their 'so called' planning). Planning/Human Geography is not for everyone. Most definitely NOT! It's a passion and you've got to have a vocation for it.

This is an advice to all the SSC Youngsters out there that drool for this site and would like to "change the world". Please, think about it once, twice, etc... Before you take the final decision. Are you up to it? Have you got that calling? Have you got what it takes? Are you visionary enough? What are your goals with planning? Have you got enough fantasy/Are you creative enough? How big is your social and ecological conscience? Do you really care about those subjects? And so on...

Don't be so cocky.

If you want to study something simple, I don't know, pick something else, you know what to find. But don't pick planning because planning is not simple.

If you want to earn money, study economics.

Chilenofuturista

January 31st, 2008, 12:44 PM

And yes, Kista is one of my favourite areas in the world. Let's get busy.

khaan

January 31st, 2008, 12:54 PM

And yes, Kista is one of my favourite areas in the world. Let's get busy.

This is a complete 100% yimby support project. We can with a good consience put yimbu with its 1334 members (as of right now) behind a proposal to build a city at this location.

Is there an sbk-page we can look at somewhere or is the process not that far along yet?

I have setup a mailinglist, send me a message including your email-adress and I put you up on the list.

Chilenofuturista

January 31st, 2008, 01:03 PM

This is a complete 100% yimby support project. We can with a good consience put yimbu with its 1334 member (as of right now) behinda proposal to build a city at this location.

Is there an sbk-page we can look at somewhere or is the process not that far along yet?

I have setup a mailinglist, send me a message including your email-adress and I put you up on the list.

Good. They've been reporting all day long on Radio Stockholm the plans on "Järvastaden"(wedged between Ulriksdal and Kista), supposedly THE BIGGEST Housing project since Hammarby Sjöstad. The sad thing is that includes low, ugly nyfunkis, bad zoning and even terraced houses. :runaway: That is, "business as usual". :sleepy:

http://www.solna.se/templates/Page_solna_submenu____29681.aspx
http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Dokument%202008/Bostäder%20i%20Järvastaden-31jan-108.pdf

Btw, starting from 13:05 (in 3 minutes) they'll interview Gert Wingårdh and talk about himself and his plans. On Radio Stockholm.

khaan

January 31st, 2008, 01:07 PM

Good. They've been reporting all day long on Radio Stockholm the plans on "Järvastaden"(wedged between Ulriksdal and Kista), supposedly THE BIGGEST Housing project since Hammarby Sjöstad. The sad thing is that includes low, ugly nyfunkis, bad zoning and even terraced houses. :runaway: That is, "business as usual". :sleepy:

http://www.solna.se/templates/Page_solna_submenu____29681.aspx
http://www.solna.se/upload/1_Anders/Dokument%202008/Bostäder%20i%20Järvastaden-31jan-108.pdf

Btw, starting from 13:05 (in 3 minutes) they'll interview Gert Wingårdh and talk about himself and his plans. On Radio Stockholm.

"This will be an ideal area for families with small children"
Wow! How unique! I mean, that's only like... uh. Every other area that has been built in Stockholm in the last 20 years...
It's fucking tragic.

khaan

January 31st, 2008, 01:13 PM

Wow. It's even worse than I thought:
http://www.solna.se/templates/Page_solna_submenu____26565.aspx
http://www.solna.se/upload/ChJ/Projekt/J%C3%A4rvastaden/Monstringen_vy2_400.jpg

:ohno::bash::puke:

Svempa99

January 31st, 2008, 01:21 PM

I wrote that you should mail SBK right away and say that you are planning to oppose this project. Well, it's more effective to write the company behind it, they are the ones who are driving it. It's they who takes the economic risk. Don't wait, do it as soon as possible. It might be harder to change their minds later on.

The funny thing is that I have been writing critical mails to both politicians and property developers in Gbg lately. The politician never replies but the companies have in every case replied with polite answers! Maybe that says something about how scared to shit the companies are that people might oppose their plans. They are in danger of losing millions! So I think it would be very interesting and effective to start using the rights you have in the democratic plan process.

Chilenofuturista

January 31st, 2008, 01:26 PM

Chilenofuturista

January 31st, 2008, 01:27 PM

Wow. It's even worse than I thought:
http://www.solna.se/templates/Page_solna_submenu____26565.aspx
http://www.solna.se/upload/ChJ/Projekt/J%C3%A4rvastaden/Monstringen_vy2_400.jpg

:ohno::bash::puke:

I know, it gets creepier for every 'so called' "project".

Svempa99

January 31st, 2008, 01:32 PM

safta20

January 31st, 2008, 02:56 PM

You can read about Wingårdhs Stockholm projects here (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=738282).

Swede

January 31st, 2008, 07:05 PM

I checked the plans for Kv Grönlingen. Looks like a modern garden city to me. Quite dense and quite high ambitions. The street system is more like a grid structure than a tree structure. And it's not terrible close to Stockholm either. There are much worse projects in my view.

http://www.solna.se/upload/ChJ/Projekt/J%C3%A4rvastaden/Sitplan_gronlingen_uts_760.jpg
IMO it is very bad. That area is just a short walk from the 3rd commutertrain station north of Centralen, and also close to E18 and E20. Communications are excellent. There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rowhouses like this in/around Stockholm, like khaan said there's no end of extermelly similar areas already built. Why hot for once go for building denser and urban?
I, for one, would certainly never* want to live there.

*unless I meet the girl o' me dreams and she wants to. but then, she wouldn't be the girl of my dreams then, would she? ignore this.

Swede

January 31st, 2008, 07:09 PM

Here's the Kista link: http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/SBKPlanView____3352.aspx

Don't be afraid of getting in touch with the City and the developers. I bet if even half of us did we'd almost beat the nimbys on this one!

khaan

January 31st, 2008, 10:31 PM

I'm in DN!
Well. On the web anyway ;)
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=738559

Insane alex

January 31st, 2008, 11:33 PM

^^Way to go! :)

Inspirit

February 1st, 2008, 12:47 AM

Hej allihopa!
Jag var inne och kollade bara här i ett par månader. Nu är man redå att bidra med några bilder,)

bilderna är tagna 080131

Hammarby Sjöstad:
Henriksdalshamnen
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1513/henriksdalshamnen1qq9.jpg

Lugnet
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7569/lugnet1kk6.jpg

Norra Bantorget:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2002/norrabantorgetlw6.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1192/norrabantorget2rr9.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9733/norrabantorget3uu4.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7909/norrabantorget4rv9.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4832/norrabantorget5ee4.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5796/norrabantorget6rp2.jpg

och rivning av Stockholm Klara
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3310/sklaratz7.jpg

sapmi

February 1st, 2008, 04:09 AM

Interview with Wingård.

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=738282

"Att Stockholms ledande politiker numera bejakar riktigt höga hus tycker han är spännande. År 2006 ritade han ett 200 meter högt bostadshus vid Telefonplan - tio meter högre än berömda Turning Torso i Malmö. Men av allt att döma har det projektet hamnat i byrålådan av ekonomiska skäl.

- Det råder ingen tvekan om att Mikael Söderlund (moderat stadsbyggnadsborgarråd) är sugen. Men även den förra majoriteten tyckte det var spännande med höga hus. Man har identifierat ett antal lämpliga områden, inklusive SJ:s bangård bakom vårt Clarionhotell, säger Gert Wingårdh.
Under 2000-talet har arkitekterna fått alltmer gehör för sina åsikter, hävdar han.

- Vi har arbetat oss upp från ett absolut lågvatten under 70- och 80-talen för att i dag med kraft låta våra stämmor höras. Männi*skor tycker återigen att nya byggnader är bättre än dem vi ersätter och politikerna har förståelse för att städer behöver förnyas på ett helt annat sätt än för tio femton år sedan."

sapmi

February 1st, 2008, 04:15 AM

And Anders Gardebring was quoted in this article: :)

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=738559

"och Anders Gardebring hoppas att nybygget i Stockholms stad fortsätter.

- Det är en fantastisk omvandling som nu pågår kring Torsgatan och Centralområdet. Blåshålet Torsgatan byggs äntligen igen och kommer om 10 år att vara en levande och naturlig del av innerstaden istället för en ödslig och tom skräp-plats. Att man river gamla Kungsbrohuset och Stockholm Klara är inget annat än en kulturell välgärning, även dessa delar av city kan nu få ett mycket välbehövlig återskapande och få bli STAD igen.

- Nu väntar jag med spänning på fortsättningen med spårvagn mellan Norrmalmstorg och centralen, planerna på att bygga boulevard och Klara Torn vore fantastiskt om man byggde, skriver Anders Gardebring."

February 1st, 2008, 09:37 AM

Nice pics Inspirit!

Insane alex

February 1st, 2008, 01:54 PM

^^Yes! And the demolition of Stockholm klara is going fast! :)

solsken

February 1st, 2008, 02:23 PM

Planning is not a profession. It's a calling. If you want to earn wad or/and become famous you study law, economics or arts. You don't study planning. :) No, no, no and once again- NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously speaking, I'd say that at least 90% of planners/human geographers are insecure people that didn't know and still don't know what to do with their lives, they could have perfectly studied another (more mediocre) thing that would have been more suitable for them (and for us, society that has to deal with their 'so called' planning). Planning/Human Geography is not for everyone. Most definitely NOT! It's a passion and you've got to have a vocation for it.

This is an advice to all the SSC Youngsters out there that drool for this site and would like to "change the world". Please, think about it once, twice, etc... Before you take the final decision. Are you up to it? Have you got that calling? Have you got what it takes? Are you visionary enough? What are your goals with planning? Have you got enough fantasy/Are you creative enough? How big is your social and ecological conscience? Do you really care about those subjects? And so on...

Don't be so cocky.

If you want to study something simple, I don't know, pick something else, you know what to find. But don't pick planning because planning is not simple.

If you want to earn money, study economics.

First of all I would say that politics is more of a "calling", planning is less so. And you can say that it is a profession due to that fact that most planners are educated in planning, which has been taught in universities in Sweden since the late sixties/early seventies if I remember it correctly.
I myself study planning and I don't see myself as an insecure person, more to the contrary. That 90% figure that you wrote down is just an non-intellectuall and ignorant remark. What are you so angry about really? You should focus that "anger" on politicans who are the ones really responsible for the final results.
If you want to become rich&famous you most certainly wouldn't study art..c'mon?! And economics isn't a guarantee either. The whole idea of choosing a profession only on the basis of potential high income is sad and scary.
peace out