View Full Version : Seattle: 5th and Madison


XiaoBai
March 9th, 2007, 09:56 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/Dancer-2/5thandmadison8fg.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/Dancer-2/909.jpg

http://www.5thandmadison.com/index.htm

XiaoBai
March 9th, 2007, 09:58 AM
This one is moving along fast. Anyone have some recent updates?

seapug
March 9th, 2007, 03:41 PM
took this about a month ago
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w179/seapug/P1000297.jpg

TheBellevueBoss
March 9th, 2007, 06:37 PM
I updated the forum awhile back, it is now topped out.....move ins will be late 2007.....

XiaoBai
March 10th, 2007, 04:15 AM
^Well that was fast!

Dancer
March 10th, 2007, 04:33 AM
^^It was but then again they didn’t have to excavate and pour a foundation.

XiaoBai
March 10th, 2007, 02:51 PM
^True, I guess that would shave quite a bit of time off. Anyway, I've always been thrilled about this project. Nice tower and a great location to put a residential--that part of DT is dead by 5:30.

kub86
March 10th, 2007, 03:11 PM
I wonder how many of its residents will be working downtown... I honestly don't think 120 units will do much to streetlife though, but it's a good start. The Marion condos will help too.

mhays
March 10th, 2007, 06:54 PM
The Financial District will never be lively at night. But this project will have a noticeable difference at least in a very localized area. We need a few more.

It's not THAT dead. The library, the Y, and the Renaissance Madison Hotel all bring activity within a block.

jerai82
March 12th, 2007, 02:45 AM
They will also build more condos on First Hill, which will pour over to the library area.

jerai82
March 12th, 2007, 02:50 AM
Oh yeah, the new developments proposed across the street from 5th and Madison, 505 5th ave and 5th and Marion will have retail space on street level. That should improve the feel of that area and make it more pedestrian friendly. 505 5th is a proposed 40 story office, and 5th and Marion 33. They lower the height on 5th and Marion from 42 to 33, I wonder why.

TheBellevueBoss
March 12th, 2007, 03:18 AM
The Financial District will never be lively at night. But this project will have a noticeable difference at least in a very localized area. We need a few more.

It's not THAT dead. The library, the Y, and the Renaissance Madison Hotel all bring activity within a block.

the Financial District is on the rise and changing for good....the Capital Grille along with its co-tenant grocery store will opening up very soon on 4th, the W hotel and lounge on 4th, arctic hotel+ ground floor restaurant is not too far off, o asian on 5th, purple cafe on 4th, brand new vesel on 5th avenue next to the theater, the financial distict is evolving quickly, new places are poping up everywhere.....

Dancer
March 12th, 2007, 04:43 AM
I was wondering what it looked like these days so I thought I would share with the forum.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/Dancer-2/CopyofPICT0299.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/Dancer-2/CopyofPICT0301.jpg

XiaoBai
March 12th, 2007, 06:21 AM
^Nice updates! Nice finger too :D

Is this topped out yet?

Dancer
March 12th, 2007, 06:25 AM
Looks like it.

Glad you like my finger. :cheers1:

jerai82
March 12th, 2007, 07:45 AM
the Financial District is on the rise and changing for good....the Capital Grille along with its co-tenant grocery store will opening up very soon on 4th, the W hotel and lounge on 4th, arctic hotel+ ground floor restaurant is not too far off, o asian on 5th, purple cafe on 4th, brand new vesel on 5th avenue next to the theater, the financial distict is evolving quickly, new places are poping up everywhere.....

Where exactly is this new Captial Grille gonna be? Is it the same capital grille they have in NY? If it is, its very exciting!

Black Box
March 12th, 2007, 08:05 AM
What is this new grocery store?

Dancer
March 12th, 2007, 08:42 AM
Its at the bottom of M Street, on Madison just across I-5

Black Box
March 12th, 2007, 09:22 AM
Oh yes, that one. This new grocery store will be locally owned and operated, that's what I've heard.

seapug
March 12th, 2007, 11:00 AM
capital grill will be in the cobb, there's also going to be a very small grocer in the cobb

jerai82
March 12th, 2007, 07:15 PM
^^ Oh yeah, I read about that small grocery store at the Cobb. Here's the article from Feb. It also talked about Barneys NY moving into the Pottery Barn storefront at Pacific Place. Thought that is a intereting news. Anyone heard about it?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/304312_shopping20.html

SeaGuy
March 12th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Barney's started remodeling in January and I think they will move in sometime in April.

kub86
March 13th, 2007, 04:10 AM
^Oh that's exciting about barneys! So where's pottery barn moving to?

pwright1
March 14th, 2007, 07:31 PM
The new Barney's is scheduled to open in June.

SeaGuy
March 15th, 2007, 12:19 AM
I probably misunderstood my friend who works there. He probably meant that the employees will start working on the store in April. He showed me the rendering for the inside of the store and it's pretty cool.

Dancer
March 15th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Now we just need to get them to sell better clothes.

mhays
March 15th, 2007, 04:40 AM
That's why we have Niketown. It's all about the fabrics.

TheBellevueBoss
March 15th, 2007, 06:04 AM
Now we just need to get them to sell better clothes.


whaa...Barneys is top of the food chain?????

Dancer
March 15th, 2007, 09:30 AM
^^Barney's is bland crap that you could find anywhere. We need more stores with flavor that don’t just sell the names but sell the stuff that sets the names apart from the crap you can find at JCPennys. I know Barney's has names like Prada, Hugo Boss, and............... I don’t remember any other names they carry but they need to buy the good parts of their collections. I don’t spend a ton of money one something to blend in to the crowds and make me look like I’m just relaxing on my couch. I want stuff that lets me bee seen and says something about me.

seapug
March 15th, 2007, 10:38 AM
^^ soundin a tad snobby

mhays
March 15th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I don't want my clothes to "let me be seen and say something about me".

Dancer
March 16th, 2007, 12:47 AM
^^ soundin a tad snobby

Yes that does sound very snobby. I sounded as if I’ve never purchased anything at JC Penny’s or Fred Meyer before. I should have said that it is harder to find the type of clothing that I like at those stores and I prefer stores that carry rare collections that you don’t see every day.

As far as clothing saying something about you; I don’t think you can argue with the fact that it is in human nature, at least to a small degree, to make instant judgments about people based on their outward appearance. If you were to run into a large man with tattoos and a few piercing all over him as well as an over all look like he is somebody who would kill you in a second then I think you might get a little scared. Well I would. That is how he chooses to appear to others and unless you take the time to get to know him then that is who he is in your mind. I’m just saying that I chose to appear to other people as a person who, for the most part, conforms to what society calls “normal” but I add just a hint of my own colorful attitude. I strongly recommend all people take the time to get to know somebody before they make lasting judgments about who you think they are but for those who don’t have the time to get to know me that well I prefer they go on their way and think of me as a cool guy with his own colorful style.

Lets get back to 5th & Madison :D

BoulderGrad
March 16th, 2007, 03:47 AM
A nice ducati is the perfect accent to any wardrobe ;-D

Dancer
March 16th, 2007, 03:50 AM
YES it is! :D I thought I would add an Aprilia to it as well.

jerai82
March 16th, 2007, 05:19 AM
maybe we should change this thread to "Seattle: Fashion"

Dancer
March 16th, 2007, 06:43 AM
^^ Sorry my bad :)

pwright1
March 16th, 2007, 07:00 AM
I admit, I shop in Barney's quite often. I just love beautifully tailored clothes. Nothing trendy, just stuff that looks good. When I come out of there I DO look good.:) Can't wait for the grand reopening.

Seasun
April 20th, 2007, 08:13 AM
Back on topic...I heard this crane started climbing down today (didn't see it myself but a trusted source) I assume the big mobile crane will block a street this Saturday or Sunday to remove this luffer.

jerai82
April 23rd, 2007, 08:13 PM
^^ yeah, we drove by and saw it on Sat. They did block the road.

SeattleRising
May 1st, 2007, 05:50 AM
No crane...
Front:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/479388693_30a2a5ea17_b.jpg

Back:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/479388697_7d23d2a6a2_b.jpg

CrazyAboutCities
May 1st, 2007, 08:49 AM
At beginning, I was skeptical with this developement... Now I think this building is really beautiful and attractive. I'm glad it turned out better than rendering! :)

M'sFan
May 1st, 2007, 09:47 PM
^I agree...I also was skeptical with the renderings, but it makes for a very attractive "streetscape tower"...it blends in and fits, but it is classy enough to hold your eye for a bit, even though it won't impact the overall skyline. I like it.

Capitol Hill
May 2nd, 2007, 03:01 AM
I wonder what the feasibility of converting the Bank of California building into condos would be? High ceilings for sure.

btw, for the photographers out there, you get some good shots of this building from the elevator lobby in the Library (I was on the 7th floor) across the street.

mhays
May 2nd, 2007, 04:38 AM
Bank of Cal has spent a lot of money lately upgrading as an office tower.

jerai82
May 2nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
No crane...
Front:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/479388693_30a2a5ea17_b.jpg



does anyone know anything about the landscaping project currently underway at the old court house? its in the foreground in the pic.

jiggawhat?
May 2nd, 2007, 09:15 PM
were they planning to redo the facade on the outside of the union bank of calif building?

mhays
May 2nd, 2007, 09:39 PM
It's not landscaping. It's a $40,000,000 courthouse renovation with a new parking garage under the park. I'm not sure, but it seems like they're keeping the trees and building the garage in a smaller footprint. Thank DOG for that, as I love big trees in Downtown!

Seasun
May 3rd, 2007, 04:17 AM
I walk by the courthouse most days. It definitely looks like a single level of parking that will be covered by landscaping. The shoring piles are very short - that's why I think it's one floor.

jerai82
May 3rd, 2007, 08:01 PM
why would they need more parking in that area? they shouldn't encourage more cars to come into downtown, especially a project by the governemnt.

mhays
May 3rd, 2007, 10:42 PM
It's partially to replace parking that's currently at the bottom of the existing building, which apparently is a security hazard. I'm not sure how many spaces it has, but if the building is 100,000 sf (guess) it would merit 100 spaces under Seattle's typical CBD requirements. They'd be able to get separate rules for storage of cop cars, etc., presumably.

Seasun
May 4th, 2007, 04:38 AM
Does a federal building like the courthouse have to follow the Seattle Building Code and related city rules? I'm thinking that the feds would be able to disregard any codes they really didn't want to follow. Anyone know? (The SBC seems like a reasonable code based on my experience working with it. I know when I was at the Univeristy of California the campus didn't have to comply with City of Berkeley rules unless it just wanted to play nice - kind of similar jurisdictional issue with feds?)

mhays
May 4th, 2007, 07:27 AM
Good question. No idea.

Capitol Hill
May 16th, 2007, 06:26 PM
From the Seattle PI:

Broadway Partners of N.Y. acquires 2 downtown towers

Two downtown Seattle towers changed hands Tuesday.

Beacon Capital Partners sold 5th and Madison, a 24-story, 126-unit condominium tower now under construction, and the adjacent 41-story former Bank of California office building at 901 Fifth Ave. to Broadway Partners of New York.

Broadway Partners immediately sold 5th and Madison to Kennedy Wilson, a real estate services and investment firm with headquarters in Beverly Hills, Calif. Kennedy Wilson announced the purchase but did not disclose the sales price.

Stuart Cramer, Kennedy Wilson's managing director for residential investments and development, said in a statement that the change in ownership would not affect 5th and Madison's completion date or quality of construction and that the local companies involved in the project would remain.

Kennedy Wilson's most recent development in Seattle was The Heights, a 103-unit apartment building at Broadway and Olive Street, on Capitol Hill.

jerai82
May 17th, 2007, 04:37 AM
^^ hmmm, now is that a good thing or a bad thing for people at 5th and Madison???

mhays
May 17th, 2007, 07:18 AM
It shouldn't make much difference.

Black Box
May 17th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Sold already!? I know it does not make much difference, but that's impressive. I also like the new tower, it's so petite.

Capitol Hill
May 18th, 2007, 02:59 AM
Re: Nakamura Courthouse

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002901170_nakamura31m.html

Backstrom
May 18th, 2007, 03:18 AM
From the Seattle PI:

Broadway Partners of N.Y. acquires 2 downtown towers

Two downtown Seattle towers changed hands Tuesday.

Beacon Capital Partners sold 5th and Madison, a 24-story, 126-unit condominium tower now under construction, and the adjacent 41-story former Bank of California office building at 901 Fifth Ave. to Broadway Partners of New York.

Broadway Partners immediately sold 5th and Madison to Kennedy Wilson, a real estate services and investment firm with headquarters in Beverly Hills, Calif. Kennedy Wilson announced the purchase but did not disclose the sales price.

Stuart Cramer, Kennedy Wilson's managing director for residential investments and development, said in a statement that the change in ownership would not affect 5th and Madison's completion date or quality of construction and that the local companies involved in the project would remain.

Kennedy Wilson's most recent development in Seattle was The Heights, a 103-unit apartment building at Broadway and Olive Street, on Capitol Hill.
Didn't Beacon recently acquire the Columbia Center?

SeattleRising
May 18th, 2007, 04:46 AM
Check out this siding:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/502796326_b29d85442b.jpg?v=0


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/218/502796330_92729acc2e_o.jpg
(I also posted it on my blog. (http://seattleplans.blogspot.com/2007/05/5th-madison.html))

Yikes.

-Seattle Rising aka Seattle Plans
http://seattleplans.blogspot.com/

CrazyAboutCities
May 18th, 2007, 09:06 AM
^^ EWWWWWWW That doesn't match the fascades! :ohno:

jerai82
May 18th, 2007, 09:24 AM
oh god, that tilework looks busy...I'm not sure I like it...hopefully the finish product will look better...

CityView Jim
May 18th, 2007, 03:53 PM
What is supposed to go up over that?

Capitol Hill
May 18th, 2007, 07:34 PM
A large tarp.

horatio_the_hermit
May 19th, 2007, 02:26 AM
Wow. Thats pretty ugly, but then again, its different. Points for creativity, more points off for a bad color decision.

CrazyAboutCities
May 19th, 2007, 03:09 AM
^^ Agreed! I would support it if it matches the facades. I don't understand why they chose ugly tiles for that building. :ohno:

CityView Jim
May 19th, 2007, 03:21 AM
Thank God it's the back side of a one-way street view.

dlong78
June 12th, 2007, 11:38 PM
I went to the library this weekend, and while I was there I went up to the top level. You can really see right into the units from the library. I'm surprised they didn't use a tinted/reflective glass to give some privacy here. It's so public it feels a bit like looking into a dollhouse. Even from street level the view in is pretty clear.

On another note, they've gotten a lot of interior work done at this point, looks like most of the walls are up.

Seattle FTW
June 12th, 2007, 11:52 PM
this thread is funny

all you guys complaining about those tiles, yet are the same ones complaining about the recent styles of buildings...and you wonder why developers play it safe here.

you'll never be happy

CrazyAboutCities
June 13th, 2007, 01:38 AM
^^ I am sure there gotta to have something for you to complain about too. :lol:

mhays
June 13th, 2007, 04:51 AM
I went to the library this weekend, and while I was there I went up to the top level. You can really see right into the units from the library. I'm surprised they didn't use a tinted/reflective glass to give some privacy here. It's so public it feels a bit like looking into a dollhouse. Even from street level the view in is pretty clear.


At night you can see in regardless. That's one reason I don't want much glass in my place. I just have to cover it all, day and night. Another reason is direct sun light or reflected sunlight. A third reason is that the sunlight also heats the place up, and not even the best window system is as good as a wall when it comes to heat loss.

Ginkgo
June 23rd, 2007, 08:17 AM
Today (Friday) I went on an interesting hard hat tour of 5th and Madison, given through the Seattle Architectural Foundation. We met at the presentation center at the next door name-soon-to-be-changed Bank of California Building, the bank no longer being the anchor tenant. The lead architect led the tour. We went over some of the basics there, looking at the table models, walking through the mock ups of the rooms, viewing the several choices of tiles, counter tops, floor woods, etc. Then it was on to the building itself. We went up--way up, on the manlift, to the top floor (24th) penthouses which are far from completion--only the metal frames of the walls are in--that's about it. But we did get an idea of the layout of the penthouses (I think there are three--none sold yet, though the total units are more than two-thirds sold). Only the penthouses will have fireplaces. We descended to the 21st floor, where the walls are in, but nothing else. Down to 14, where the walls are painted, some of the cabinets and fixtures are in place and the electric working, and finally to 4 where we toured the model unit, beautifully appointed and ready to go. We got to see, on one floor or another, all six unit plans, repeated from bottom to top. The architect said they are under some pressure to be done by the October move in date. That is why they are not making any more accommodations for buyers. He said that, for instance, one early buyer wanted a wall removed, which was done, but that it is too late for that sort of thing now. Also located on 4 are the residents-only lounge, library, guest room, and outdoor deck. Those outside tiles, to which many object, are more than half in place. I suppose the office workers directly opposite--who will be the ones most affected--will make their feelings known; personally I like the look of them--what else could be used to cover that vast blank space? I think you will come to appreciate them. And the new plaza, which will be open to the public, will be a great green space, with a water feature (stream flowing through). In fact they are trying for LEED gold certification for the building. A pan-Asian restaurant will open on the main floor. I was very impressed, to say the least.

NW Mike
June 25th, 2007, 04:57 PM
That must have been a great tour. I've been wanting to go on one of these with SAF. Thanks for the info. I'm sure the tiles will wear into us and most of us will get used to the or like them.

SeattleRedhawk86
June 27th, 2007, 05:16 PM
What a waste of land! It is only 250-something feet tall in a zone that is full of 500 footers and higher. :ohno:

Black Box
June 27th, 2007, 08:35 PM
I'm going to stick up for the tile and scale of this project. It's great to have a mix of heights and textures, especially in the FD. Sure, it could have been taller, but I appreciate 5th and Madison as a great infill project. The size and design lends more depth to this area with a scale that lends a neighborly impression. This has me longing for the civic project across from City Hall. When the Selig rumors of a new tallest were going around awhile back, I was excited at a new tallest for Seattle, but now, considering what is proposed for that area, along with the salvation of the former First United Church, I could care less about a new tallest. The dimensions and new development of the FD will make it much more inviting a place to be after the working populace makes their exit. I am not advocating that the FD should become more residential at the expense of commercial activity, but merely stating that it is great to have modern buildings of varying scale(s) popping up in a few cold blocks. The new civic project will include residential, commercial and retail spaces. I also hope that the creative office trend of the Colman Tower picks up in the FD, but in a taller, slender format. I'll even out this post by stating my desire for a new tallest, but kinder and gentler.

dlong78
June 27th, 2007, 08:37 PM
Yes, but those 500' buildings are offices. Seems to me they probably built it just the right size (maybe even a little too big) based on demand for residential in that area. To date they have sold 78 of 126 so it's not as if they missed out on more sales by not building it twice as tall. It's a great looking building (except the back tile) which meshes nicely with the neighborhood and it brings more people to the area. Hardly a waste of land IMO.

CrazyAboutCities
June 27th, 2007, 08:40 PM
What a waste of land!

Do you really think it is a waste of land huh? Look closer, it is infill development. How could it is a waste of land? If you mean the height, it is not waste of land. At least, it get more dense than previous building. :)

mhays
June 27th, 2007, 09:13 PM
Waste of land? Not if you know the context.

This building sits on top of an existing parking garage, which serves both the residents and the office workers. They strengthened the structure in/below the garage to handle the new tower, but this probably had limits. Also, they probably didn't want to fall below a certain parking ratio.

I'd call it very efficient land use given the site's constraints.

Also, a bigger tower would have been much tougher to finance given the uncertainty of selling a larger number of units.

TheBellevueBoss
June 27th, 2007, 09:44 PM
^^
developer's of that magnitude can get financing all day at very favorbale terms....lenders fight over deals like that.....especially at the time when they were seeking financing...

forget the parking ratio, you have many sf of office/retail space within a 3 mile radius, they could have sold lots of studios without parking stalls, plus they would have been discounted without a parking stall, making units somewhat more affordable. The location is right in the core of the CBD.....

mhays
June 28th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Workforce housing would have done great there. But since they went mid/high-end, they pretty much had to include parking. As for the offices, I bet they wanted to keep a certain number of spaces to enhance marketability. I don't know how many spaces the garage has, or what the City's parking regs had to say (or whether the revised code was in effect yet)...

Beacon can get lenders, but everyone still counts risk. Maybe I'm overemphasizing that point. But the risk to all parties would go much higher if the building was larger.

BoulderGrad
July 15th, 2007, 10:49 PM
from flickr:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1090/813108399_d1ea1cc113.jpg?v=0

Construction elevator is gone, and that weird ass tile wall is finished:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1182/813132525_8f6573960c.jpg?v=0

Seeing this building in person, it almost looks like a paper cutout (so thin!). But I guess thats great for the apartments since everyone gets windows on 2 sides of the apartment.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1143/813132857_894ecb5769.jpg?v=0

CrazyAboutCities
July 15th, 2007, 10:51 PM
I still hate that tile part. When I look at it, it making me feeling want to vomit.

blackc5
July 16th, 2007, 03:19 AM
I went by there yesterday. I think the tile looks pretty nice in person actually. It will look a lot better when the rest of the building is complete I think. Either way, it looks a lot better than just exposed concrete.

Seattleguy
July 19th, 2007, 03:50 AM
I really like the tile. Up close the colors and the sheen are really beautiful and it is unique. So much better than plain concrete, the norm in Seattle.

mhays
July 19th, 2007, 03:52 AM
Can't we get some beige panels up there?! Just kidding.

CrazyAboutCities
July 19th, 2007, 03:59 AM
I think adding silver or steel fascade on that side would look much better.

BoulderGrad
July 19th, 2007, 05:02 AM
A friend of mine had the idea of doing a new tile arrangement every season

NW Mike
July 19th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I agree with you CrazyAboutCities...But its not as bad as the photos in real life. The colors are interesting.

Seattle FTW
July 19th, 2007, 10:54 PM
I really like the tile. Up close the colors and the sheen are really beautiful and it is unique. So much better than plain concrete, the norm in Seattle.

totally agree. i love it. its different.

citruspastels
July 25th, 2007, 06:35 AM
Walked by this one the other day. I was worried about the tiles from photos but they are actually pretty stunning in real life. They are shiny and slightly iridescent like fish scales...

Would live there in a heartbeat!

Actually, the tiles seem pretty unique to me. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more of it in the Seattle area.

seapug
July 25th, 2007, 09:07 AM
not sure but i walked by one night and they appeared to be illuminated!

jaetguz
July 25th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Wow I never get the chance to see Seattle...But by looking at these piktures i kan really tell its a very devloped city!!..I never realized it kould be this pretty!!..Awesome city!..I hope i get to go sometime!!..

SeattleRising
July 26th, 2007, 05:02 PM
FYI: I hear the tiles are steel.

blackc5
July 26th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Yep, I believe the sales center folks said they were iodized steel.

Part of the reason I think they look great :)

pwright1
December 6th, 2007, 11:07 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2090063651_a9450af6c1.jpg

CityView Jim
December 6th, 2007, 12:47 PM
Anyone know move in dates on this? Looks pretty much complete.

Dancer
December 6th, 2007, 02:58 PM
I really love that building. I wish they had some cheeper units left.

NW Mike
December 6th, 2007, 04:44 PM
I saw a moving truck going into the garage last week, and furniture coming out.

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/34819/2004649812094487281_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004649812094487281)

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/33354/2004698960546513551_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004698960546513551)

Prince Victor
December 6th, 2007, 04:49 PM
^^ Wow! ~ great photos. Thanks for updating the pictures. :)

Seattle FTW
December 6th, 2007, 07:19 PM
i still like it, could be considered public art i suppose

CityView Jim
December 6th, 2007, 08:25 PM
It looks better than I initially thought.

citruspastels
December 6th, 2007, 09:51 PM
there is a wonderfull little courtyard with this building. i love that they are keeping it public, it really adds alot to a spot downtown with no greenspace. plus, the building is even more gorgeous in real life

CityView Jim
December 6th, 2007, 11:39 PM
I've seen the 5th Ave side. Is the 4th Ave side finished as well, and if so how does it look?

other page
December 7th, 2007, 12:08 AM
those tiles look stunning

TheBellevueBoss
December 7th, 2007, 01:06 AM
I actually like the tiles as well....and yes the south side of the building is illuminated at night...5th and madison turned out to be a total knockout. Not to mention they provided a public park/space and they will have a restaurant on the ground floor....I wish all condo towers were planned out as well as this one....

CityView Jim
December 7th, 2007, 02:56 AM
Its a great concept to intersperse commercial and residential towers. Keeps the whole city alive at night and the homeless at bay.

Seasun
December 7th, 2007, 05:55 AM
I explored the public plaza space a few nights ago - it was excellent overall. Very nice materials, layout, views and use of urban space as mentioned above. The view of the library is great - always nice to see it from a new angle. The one thing that kind of surprised me was the "railing" that overlooks 4th Avenue. It's actually a wall that's about guardrail height (~42") then it has a very wide flat area/parapet (~4 feet). It just seems kind of questionable to have what almost seems like a stage to play/sit on and you can't see that it actually drops off a few floors to the sidewalk below if you were careless/drunk!

Definitely check out this space when you're anywhere in the neighborhood.

NW Mike
December 7th, 2007, 05:30 PM
When I took the photo's of the tiles I walked around. I think it is a such a great public area. Great idea to give this space back to the public to share.

Seattlelife
December 9th, 2007, 09:57 AM
I saw a moving truck going into the garage last week, and furniture coming out.

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/34819/2004649812094487281_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004649812094487281)

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/33354/2004698960546513551_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004698960546513551)

Thank God someone's willing to break the monotony of the architecture and facades on Seattle's new buildings. I LOVE those tiles

:rock: :applause: :righton: :bow: :pepper:

Seattleguy
February 27th, 2008, 04:17 AM
The exterior of this building is really gorgeous. On the other hand, I ran into a friend of mine today who was going into this condo tower to visit her brother and invited me up. He had a $750,000 unit midway up the building. The view was really gorgeous, but the one bedroom unit was SMALL! My studio apartment in an old 1920's building is bigger. Damn, they paid a lot for a view and location. The also complained about the noise as the police and firetrucks go right by there a lot.

mhays
February 27th, 2008, 04:39 AM
The per/sf prices weren't that bad last I checked. Guessing they have 1,000 sf? Or at least a 900 sf "00 series" unit? Perhaps your opinion of "small" is a little large?

As far as noise, it's crucial to put your bed pillow-end toward the interior of the room, and hopefully choose a unit where the bedroom doesn't have too much window area and the bedroom fronts the interior of the block. Intersections are especially bad. The 00 and 05 units in this building would be ok from a noise perspective. They have the additional benefit of not abutting any walls shared with other units and their stereos -- the bedrooms are next to the core and some common hallway.

CityView Jim
February 27th, 2008, 04:39 PM
The exterior of this building is really gorgeous. On the other hand, I ran into a friend of mine today who was going into this condo tower to visit her brother and invited me up. He had a $750,000 unit midway up the building. The view was really gorgeous, but the one bedroom unit was SMALL! My studio apartment in an old 1920's building is bigger. Damn, they paid a lot for a view and location. The also complained about the noise as the police and firetrucks go right by there a lot.
That's life in the city. You take the good with the bad.

data
February 27th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Many people have posted on this forum how they feel new parks will just attract more bums ( to which I agree with MHAYS "dilution is the solution to pollution" type theory ). It is interesting that the 5th and madison "park" is actually still private property, they are just allowing the public to use it, which lets the owners kick out unruly folks, bums, or whomever they wish. Im guessing the only reason a developer would allow so much space to be used in way that generates no money, is that it adds a cache of some type to the condo units , which in turn makes them more valuable. Whatever the reason, I love that the developer did this. More please.

Does anyone know if there are any other parks that have this type of arrangement? ( even in other cities )

jessejb
February 27th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I actually walked into that park at about 7pm one weeknight just to check out the view and got the feeling the security guard didnt want me there. So I walked back to 5th Ave and he basically followed me out. Weird.

SteveM
February 27th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Does anyone know if there are any other parks that have this type of arrangement? ( even in other cities )

Gramercy Park in New York is a little like this, though I believe it's not usually even open to the public.

Shopping malls are certainly like this, but they're not usually parkish enough to count.

mhays
February 27th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Olympic Sculpture Park and Two Union Square's plaza are privately owned. I don't know of other parks at Downtown Seattle residential buildings, but it's common with offices. In this case it serves both office and residential tenants/owners on the block.

jessejb
February 27th, 2008, 11:06 PM
haha Oh man I totally got kicked out of Two Union's park one night hanging out there with a date. He said we had to go because if he let us sit there then he'd have to let bums in too.

Seasun
February 28th, 2008, 06:16 AM
I'd count Rainier Square's outdoor space as similar to the 5th and Madison's. You have to go up some steps to access it but it's also a rooftop. 1201 3rd Ave (WaMu Tower) has some really nice outdoor space although not really park like. If you haven't walked through 1201's west lobby - I'd recommend spending a few minutes exploring it.

jessejb
February 28th, 2008, 09:08 PM
I'd count Rainier Square's outdoor space as similar to the 5th and Madison's. You have to go up some steps to access it but it's also a rooftop. 1201 3rd Ave (WaMu Tower) has some really nice outdoor space although not really park like. If you haven't walked through 1201's west lobby - I'd recommend spending a few minutes exploring it.

Whats up with Rainier Square's outdoor space being locked up all the time now? I used to like taking out of towners up there.

blackc5
February 29th, 2008, 12:11 AM
Whats up with Rainier Square's outdoor space being locked up all the time now? I used to like taking out of towners up there.

Since when? Was just up there perhaps a week ago or so...

jessejb
February 29th, 2008, 01:51 AM
Since when? Was just up there perhaps a week ago or so...


Last time I tried was like 3 weeks ago. Yeah ever since they stopped with the summer outdoor movie series last year theres been a bunch of tables set up and the gate shut and locked. I thought it had something to do with those weird modular condo things theyve been advertizing up there.

blackc5
March 1st, 2008, 03:54 AM
Sorry, OT here... the roof was open a week or so ago. The modular apartment display itself is by appt only (part of the reason I went up there to check it), but the roof access seems open during the day at least.

Seasun
April 4th, 2009, 02:02 AM
http://www.siprestaurant.com/

I saw a liquor/bar license application posted for the retail/restaurant space. Looks like they also have locations in the Issaquah Highlands and in Gig Harbor.

jessejb
April 4th, 2009, 02:07 AM
Awesome. That area needs some life.

Bond James Bond
February 27th, 2010, 03:25 AM
Anyone wanna buy one of these on the cheap?
http://blog.seattlepi.com/realestatenews/archives/195958.asp

jessejb
February 27th, 2010, 09:59 PM
Holy crap! $195k??? Could a guy making $33k/year with no money in savings make a bid? I WANT!

bgwah
February 27th, 2010, 11:32 PM
Holy crap! $195k??? Could a guy making $33k/year with no money in savings make a bid? I WANT!

195k is just the starting bid...

Results from past condo auctions: http://seattlecondosandlofts.com/2009/09/brix-and-gallery-condo-auction-results

just4ivaylo
February 28th, 2010, 08:36 AM
That's what I was about to say. They're not going to sell for much less than what they were originally priced, especially since there are only 8 and this event made the P-I.