whats the city you think will become the UKs own manhattan?

personally i think it will be portsmouth, if you were to stand on portsdown hill and look out across the skyline, its so dense its unbelivable, another few 100m towers and it will be manhattan!
it even has the right shape, an island out into the sea!

il try and get a pic asap



ps i was HEAVILY exagerating.

Docklands!

lol, i dont think Portsmouth could sustain that kind of development, but it has the geographic setting. Isnt it the densest city in Europe? i think i read that somewhere.

whats the city you think will become the UKs own manhatten?

personally i think it will be portsmouth, if you were to stand on portsdown hill and look out across the skyline, its so dense its unbelivable, another few 100m towers and it will be manhattan!
it even has the right shape, an island out into the sea!

il try and get a pic asap

You do realise that Manhattan has alot more than a "few 100m towers" right?
100m is almost lowrise in some parts of the New York.

whats the city you think will become the UKs own manhatten?

personally i think it will be portsmouth, if you were to stand on portsdown hill and look out across the skyline, its so dense its unbelivable, another few 100m towers and it will be manhatten!
it even has the right shape, an island out into the sea!

il try and get a pic asap

Nempnett Thrubwell

To be a true cosmopolite.....

You do realise that Manhattan has alot more than a "few 100m towers" right?
100m is almost lowrise in some parts of the New York.


no really?

i thought it was a couple of old sheds?

Portsmouth? Good god, Liverpool is miles ahead already and contiues to improve.

C'mon then, lets see some pics of this "Manhattan of the UK"...

I can't work this thread out...Is Portsmouth a joke suggestion? Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the place off, but it's pretty obvious that if ever the UK has a Manhattanesque skyline (which in my opinion it wont) then it sure as hell won't be Portsmouth. Economic growth in the south of the UK will be based around the M4: Swansea, Cardiff, Bristol, Swindon, Reading and London. The same it has been for years.

Surely this has to be the most serious current contender (first draft of Peel Holdings £5.5 Billion, 30-50 year investment in Liverpool's northern docks)..

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More info on the scheme here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=447667&page=4

The skyline already shows some of the potential, especially with the Wirral considering similar scale redevelopments including several new talls..

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I'm not saying Liverpool is the only city with potential in this area, just that it's the one city most likely to realise this potential in the next few decades.. I'd love to see the likes of Portsmouth and Cardiff competing with similar style projects, so who knows, we could have several Manhattenesque skylines in the future..

T0M you're 100% right. I hope Portsmouth does continue to produce towers but in all honesty its well down the development chain of UK cities.

I can't work this thread out...Is Portsmouth a joke suggestion? Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the place off, but it's pretty obvious that if ever the UK has a Manhattanesque skyline (which in my opinion it wont) then it sure as hell won't be Portsmouth. Economic growth in the south of the UK will be based around the M4: Swansea, Cardiff, Bristol, Swindon, Reading and London. The same it has been for years.

Not just the M4 corridor (and exclude Wales) but the whole Greater South East. While Cardiff has become a relatively prosperous city over recent years, Wales as a whole is one of the least prosperous regions in the UK, and the Valleys and west Wales are notable low employment and low productivity blackspots.

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I think he probably ment most similar city. Portsmouth does have similar geographic settings and is very dense. Im sure he didnt mean most skyscraper filled skyline.

GVA GVschmay. London and South East utterly distort the figures using that data. I prefer to measure unemployment and jobs. Important thing is that the average man on the street has enough to buy what he wants and GVA does not reflect that.

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With that skyline Liverpool's more likely to end up Britain's Dubai than Briain's Manhattan!

GVA GVschmay. London and South East utterly distort the figures using that data. I prefer to measure unemployment and jobs. Important thing is that the average man on the street has enough to buy what he wants and GVA does not reflect that.

Yes, GVA doesn't reflect cost of living (estimated to be 93-94% of the UK average), but my point was that Wales is a lagging region, we can't really include South Wales as one of the most economically dynamic areas in the UK (the message of your original post). Well, with the possible exception of Cardiff. But even then Cardiff is a relatively small city, so the scale of developments will reflect the size of the local market.

i wouldnt associate the whole of Wales with Cardiff (although they are linked) but the M4 corridor is quite an economically dynamic area for its whole length, including south wales region. The size of the projects in Cardiff and Newport, and now Swansea reflect the change in economic fortunes of the area. I wouldnt call it a lagging area, especially Cardiff which has become a growing center for business' due to its high profile and high standards of living, with the new large business quarter proposed for the outskirts of the city just off the M4, with workers suposidly coming from the local M4 region

Sorry Pondle, what I meant really is that if somewhere was going to become like Manhattan (which IMO will never happen) then it would be along the M4 corridor, as opposed to Portsmouth, Southampton, Plymouth, Bournemouth or Brighton for example.

One interesting thing is that although office rentals are higher in Bristol than Cardiff, Bristol council doesn't seem to be supporting tall developments. So I guess planning policy in different cities will be almost as important as market demand in determining which grow tall, and which don't.

Generally, I wouldn't expect to see anything apart from high rise apartments in Wales. All of the taller schemes in South Wales are apartments (Meridian Quay, Bay Pointe, City Spires) and there is no demand for corporate headquarters in the region, which would drive high rise offices. WAG seems to believe that the only place in Wales that could attract a corporate HQ is the (low rise) planned business park off Junction 33 M4.

I'd also keep a weather eye on Manc, Brum, Leeds, Liverpool (that 'vision' is amazing). The English core cities seem to have turned the corner in the last couple of years, according to report that DCLG commissioned. And they have more economic mass than the smaller cities on the M4 corridor west of London, so in theory they could support bigger developments.

i think Birmingham has lost hope of having "tall" skyscrapers, arena central wasnt all that it was suppost to be was it?

leeds i think will be the most impressive flollowed by Manchester.
which citys council was a pro-skyscraper one? i cant remember i know it was one of the "Big three"

One interesting thing is that although office rentals are higher in Bristol than Cardiff, Bristol council doesn't seem to be supporting tall developments. So I guess planning policy in different cities will be almost as important as market demand in determining which grow tall, and which don't.

Generally, I wouldn't expect to see anything apart from high rise apartments in Wales. All of the taller schemes in South Wales are apartments (Meridian Quay, Bay Pointe, City Spires) and there is no demand for corporate headquarters in the region, which would drive high rise offices. WAG seems to believe that the only place in Wales that could attract a corporate HQ is the (low rise) planned business park off Junction 33 M4.

I'd also keep a weather eye on Manc, Brum, Leeds, Liverpool (that 'vision' is amazing). The English core cities seem to have turned the corner in the last couple of years, according to report that DCLG commissioned. And they have more economic mass than the smaller cities on the M4 corridor west of London, so in theory they could support bigger developments.

Isn't Bristol aiming for a more "european" approach with city squares rather than tall buildings? At least that's what I read a member of Bristol council saying a few years back.

Still a few years away, but you never know............a vision for Central Docks by Peel Developments;

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^^^is that like a serious development proposal?

beacuse if it is :eek2: :D

Yes, it's a serious 'vision' proposal, meaning that it's been set forward by a private company (Peel Holdings) who already own the land and have allocated £5.5 Billion of their own money to make it happen.

Actually planning applications will start to be submitted in the next 12 months, and the whole project will be phased over several decades, starting closest to Pier Head and gradually moving northwards up the shore. During that time the designs will probably change somewhat, but the height and scale won't. Here's a few more pics from the official site.

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Looks more like another Canary Wharf, than Manhatten. I like the look of those 2 tall ones in the middle.

lets just hope it has the class of canary wharf and unique designs of the city of london - and not some Dubai rubbish

Well those renders do seem a little Dubai to me but of course they are just indicative at this stage so hopefully designs will improve.

That proposal is absoloutly superb!!!

wow its like

Dubai!

lets just hope it has the class of canary wharf and unique designs of the city of london - and not some Dubai rubbish

Yeh 'cause Dubai is full of rubbish isn't it?... I hear they're making the tallest building in the world out of lego.. and the rest of it is just sandcastles..

There's a massive undercurrent of anti-Dubai snobbery on the UK forums, get over it people! If our skyline began to rival or even resemble that of Dubai I'd be a happy man.. and everyone else would continue to be, what's the word, oh yes, that's it.. jealous.

no i think it people wanting the best for Liverpool and the UK. Nearly everyone thinks Dubai is quite tacky in its skyscraper designs (at least at the moment), and id rather see 3 quality skyscraper designs in Liverpool than 100 crappy, gimiky designs.

^^I'm sure it'll look nothing like those designs in the end. Surely all the towers will be designed by different architects, and subject to seperate planning applications.

I think if this gets pulled off, which i'm sure it will over time, it'll look stunning. I'm also sure it'll look more like Canary Wharf than Dubai, just cause of the design quality that's (generally) expected in the UK.

I'm certainly not anti-Dubai, I think what they've achieved is nothing short of spectacular. I don't think Dubai's style of development is right for the UK though. They're mostly working on a blank canvas whereas our cities are already long established and have a lot more history and so new developments have to take that into account.
I still want to see bold designs but lets not go into the realms of gaudy and tacky (a category in which a significant number of Dubai's new buildings fall).

liverpool will be all over the world when this gets going, beacuse its a MASSIVE construction boom, and there are loads of skyscrapers! will put Britain as a skyscraper country on the map! :)

i bet ruth kelly will some how stop this from happening though, if she does i think im going to be SICK.

Isn't Bristol aiming for a more "european" approach with city squares rather than tall buildings? At least that's what I read a member of Bristol council saying a few years back.

Bristol are not hoping for many tall buildings but you dont have to be tall to compete with other Cities as Bristol has already shown... The Business Sector is massive in Bristol yet not many tall buildings.

How does London compete with New York on the international stage if tall buildigs is everthing??? Other things determine wether companies want to go to certian cities not just tall buildings... They (Tall buildings) are getting alittle outplayed and people and councils are realising this. Slowly but surly...

Bristol are not hoping for many tall buildings but you dont have to be tall to compete with other Cities as Bristol has already shown... The Business Sector is massive in Bristol yet not many tall buildings.

How does London compete with New York on the international stage if tall buildigs is everthing??? Other things determine wether companies want to go to certian cities not just tall buildings... They (Tall buildings) are getting alittle outplayed and people and councils are realising this. Slowly but surly...

Tall buildings aren't everything. Bristol's a nice place, and it has a thriving hi tech local economy. If I change jobs, the chances are I'll look in Bristol as it's a major centre for the industry I'm in.

Coventry City council seem to be using Bristol as a "role model"...

I do like the latest posts by the Liverpool lot about the new developments on the Docks etc... Some really nice buildings but if its one thing I have learned, is that planning is nothing untill its put on paper and been granted... There has been many pictures and plans of loads of tall buildings all over the country and many of these big projects have been rejected and you never hear about them again... That includes projects in Bristol, London, Manchester and Birmingham so they are not small cities we are talking about...

I personally think that the projects listed as potencial ones for liverpool in this thread will probably not actually go ahead as the council wont allow it... You never know though...

I don't think Liverpool council are so stupid they would turn down a potential £5.5bn development to preserve views over abandoned dockland. They'd probably think about it long and hard though....