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Silver Springer
March 9th, 2007, 06:22 PM
A road for the future
City officials want to pave a new way -- starting with an overhaul of Rockville Pike

Washington Business Journal - March 9, 2007
by Prabha Natarajan
Staff Reporter

Larry Giammo drives on Rockville Pike just about every day. And each time, the mayor of Rockville rattles off a list of things he'd like to change about the thoroughfare.

There are too many big-box retailers and not enough offices or condos.

It's univiting and unattractive.

There are no people on the sidewalks.

And there are cars everywhere. On the road. Waiting to get on the road. And parked in lots on both sides of the road.

"Rockville Pike represents our past," Giammo says. "Now, we are a suburban community moving toward an urban setting. That's our future look."

His frustration and hope is echoed by the thousands of shoppers and commuters on the six-lane road as they navigate through cars turning in and out of parking lots and crawling along the highway that serves as Montgomery County's main retail corridor.

Rockville Pike, or Maryland Route 355, starts where Wisconsin Avenue ends in Chevy Chase and stretches 11 or so miles up to Rockville Town Center, where it becomes Hungerford Drive, and continues on until north of Frederick.

Both Montgomery County and Rockville planning departments are involved in an effort to transform the pike's retail core from White Flint to Rockville into a mix of uses with high-rise homes, offices, retail, parks, trees, pedestrian and bike paths, and shuttles connecting to the Metro. The idea is to model it after other suburban boulevards such as Wisconsin Avenue in Bethesda, Columbia Pike in Arlington and Georgia Avenue in Silver Spring.

High-density structures close to the Metro stations and fronting the pike will alter its current core of spread-out, low-rise, big-box retail.

This grand design, however, is still just a dream. County and city planners are putting together plans to make it a reality with more concrete concepts that may lure property owners into redevelopment.

Rockville Pike represents a unique challenge in that economically it's a gold mine and would remain so, even if left unchanged. Every name brand and store has or wants a home there. No vacancies or boarded-up buildings scar the corridor.

Further, the pike's raison d'etre itself is a problem. The county is committed to maintaining the six-lane thoroughfare, and that makes it less conducive for mixed-use or walkable neighborhood developments.

The city is looking at mutliple transportation choices, says Jim Wasilak, Rockville's chief of planning. Options include links between shopping centers through service lanes or dedicated shuttles, and an overpass or underpass for pedestrians to cross the pike.

Not all of Rockville Pike lends itself to such massive mixed-use redevelopment. There are dozens of smaller lots, especially between the Twinbrook and Rockville Metro stations, that are owned by individuals and families and don't offer much potential for redevelopment. When the Metro came to Rockville in 1984, it cut through their lots and took away a lot of their land. The thought is to use eminent domain or a similar option to redo that stretch of strip malls, Wasilak says.

Many developers and owners who've already bought into the redevelopment idea are working on their own projects, while others are waiting to see what the new plans recommend or allow.

There are other issues the city and county need to resolve such as retaining the small and mom-and-pop businesses on the pike, says Sally Sternbach, executive director of Rockville Economic Development.

"We need to make sure they have a place," she says. "When you change the environment, it changes the valuation of the land, and it often has the unwelcome side effect of eliminating small businesses. It's tough. But that has to be a conscious part of any redevelopment plan."

There also is some concern that Rockville, despite talking the talk about smart growth and urban development, won't have an appetite for too much of it.

While the county's portion of the pike, which is essentially south of the Twinbrook Parkway and in White Flint, would have towering 250-foot buildings, the Rockville side would be more of a low-scale development along the lines of its town center. Such height limitations could become a contentious issue as the city moves forward with planning -- as evidenced by early pushback.

"The redevelopment of Rockville Pike is not going to be all that it could be because of these caps," says David Freishtat, a land-use attorney with Shulman Rogers Gandal Pordy & Ecker. "Rockville is giving up and not maximizing its potential."

The mayor says the restrictions aren't going away.

"We are uncomfortable to see some of the heights the county is approving along the pike," Giammo says. "We would never in the past, present or future approve of anything like that in the city of Rockville. You have to worry about road capacity and aesthetics."

Giammo thinks a maximum of eight stories is the appropriate height.

Margaret Rifkin, a planner heading the county's pike and White Flint planning effort, says both sides are working together, listening to each other's plans and ultimately share the same vision.

"We would like to see a beautiful green boulevard," she says. "A street people can be proud of and makes them feel good that this is their community. It should be environmentally sound, with a good design. [It should be] a street people can cross at a variety of locations and a source of civic pride and beauty. All of which may be odd to say of a six-lane highway. But we aim high."

E-mail: pnatarajan@bizjournals.com Phone: 703/258-0836

Silver Springer
March 9th, 2007, 06:59 PM
And there lies the problem with Montgomery County. When you have mayor goombah Giammo saying, "Rockville Pike represents our past...Now, we are a suburban community moving toward an urban setting. That's our future look." and in the same breath "We are uncomfortable to see some of the heights the county is approving along the pike...We would never in the past, present or future approve of anything like that in the city of Rockville. You have to worry about road capacity and aesthetics."

He totally contradicts every thing he's saying. I don't get him, in one article he says Rockville doesn't need office buildings in another he wants office buildings on Rockville pike, what a goof.

harlem87
March 10th, 2007, 09:23 AM
And there lies the problem with Montgomery County. When you have mayor goombah Giammo saying, "Rockville Pike represents our past...Now, we are a suburban community moving toward an urban setting. That's our future look." and in the same breath "We are uncomfortable to see some of the heights the county is approving along the pike...We would never in the past, present or future approve of anything like that in the city of Rockville. You have to worry about road capacity and aesthetics."

He totally contradicts every thing he's saying. I don't get him, in one article he says Rockville doesn't need office buildings in another he wants office buildings on Rockville pike, what a goof.

I can never understand how Maryland has gotton soo anti-growth.

Even you don't support building Highways and Upscale MEGA Regional Malls that Northern Virginia has been soo damn lucky with.

MountVEE
March 10th, 2007, 09:26 PM
And there lies the problem with Montgomery County. When you have mayor goombah Giammo saying, "Rockville Pike represents our past...Now, we are a suburban community moving toward an urban setting. That's our future look." and in the same breath "We are uncomfortable to see some of the heights the county is approving along the pike...We would never in the past, present or future approve of anything like that in the city of Rockville. You have to worry about road capacity and aesthetics."

He totally contradicts every thing he's saying. I don't get him, in one article he says Rockville doesn't need office buildings in another he wants office buildings on Rockville pike, what a goof.

haha. I know. I noticed that. Alot of people seem to want all the pedestrian activity which drives retail but don't understand that in order to get that you gotta have density. Also, the big question is, what's the fabric of Rockville? Is there a street grid or just a systems of pod-style development with culdesacs, feeder roads and arterial highways. If that's the case then they will be hard pressed to shake people out of their cars...even with higher density.

Silver Springer
March 11th, 2007, 08:57 PM
haha. I know. I noticed that. Alot of people seem to want all the pedestrian activity which drives retail but don't understand that in order to get that you gotta have density. Also, the big question is, what's the fabric of Rockville? Is there a street grid or just a systems of pod-style development with culdesacs, feeder roads and arterial highways. If that's the case then they will be hard pressed to shake people out of their cars...even with higher density.

At a recent roundtable discussion we talked about the importance of a grid pattern for the Rockville Pike area. They need to change Rockville Pike from being the only artery. This is doable but will take coordination.

MountVEE
March 11th, 2007, 09:13 PM
At a recent roundtable discussion we talked about the importance of a grid pattern for the Rockville Pike area. They need to change Rockville Pike from being the only artery. This is doable but will take coordination.

This is gonna be an issue for alot of suburban/exurban communities in the next 50 years. They were originally planned for very low density single-use using the collector-style street system but as center city continues to push outward these areas eventually have to become more dense because the land becomes more valuable. Eventually, their infrastructure just can't handle it anymore. A grid-type system is one of the most efficient ways to disperse large amounts of cars and people throughout an area. Not to mention it's more pedestrian friendly and easier to develop. Alot of times suburban areas don't plan beyond 20 years, if at all, giving developers the authority to plan completely unchecked. And then by the time they realize they've messed up it's too late. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Rockville. I've never known of a city yet that's been able to redraw it's street pattern once it's set. And if anyone does, pls let me know! I find this transition so interesting. Like I said, this will be a real issue in the next 50 years. LA is having a real problem with it right now.

ajoutz
March 11th, 2007, 09:17 PM
haha. I know. I noticed that. Alot of people seem to want all the pedestrian activity which drives retail but don't understand that in order to get that you gotta have density. Also, the big question is, what's the fabric of Rockville? Is there a street grid or just a systems of pod-style development with culdesacs, feeder roads and arterial highways. If that's the case then they will be hard pressed to shake people out of their cars...even with higher density.

There is no street grid. Rockville Pike is essentially the longest strip mall in the world.

urbngrth123
March 11th, 2007, 09:34 PM
This is gonna be an issue for alot of suburban/exurban communities in the next 50 years. They were originally planned for very low density single-use using the collector-style street system but as center city continues to push outward these areas eventually have to become more dense because the land becomes more valuable. Eventually, their infrastructure just can't handle it anymore. A grid-type system is one of the most efficient ways to disperse large amounts of cars and people throughout an area. Not to mention it's more pedestrian friendly and easier to develop. Alot of times suburban areas don't plan beyond 20 years, if at all, giving developers the authority to plan completely unchecked. And then by the time they realize they've messed up it's too late. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Rockville. I've never known of a city yet that's been able to redraw it's street pattern once it's set. And if anyone does, pls let me know! I find this transition so interesting. Like I said, this will be a real issue in the next 50 years. LA is having a real problem with it right now.

How do you think Rockville Pike/MD 355(Between Chevy Chase and Clarksburg) is any different from Leesburg Pike/VA 7(Between Alexandria and Leesburg)????????????????

urbngrth123
March 11th, 2007, 09:38 PM
There is no street grid. Rockville Pike is essentially the longest strip mall in the world.

Oh really...

It may be the longest in the state, but VA 7 King Street/Leesburg Pike is over 25+ miles full of Strip Malls, Upscale Malls, and Office Buildings.

MountVEE
March 11th, 2007, 10:37 PM
How do you think Rockville Pike/MD 355(Between Chevy Chase and Clarksburg) is any different from Leesburg Pike/VA 7(Between Alexandria and Leesburg)????????????????

Neither one is Pedestrian Friendly which is what the Rockville mayor was looking at getting. No one walks down Leesburg Pike. They're both developed using the same car-centric pod-style development type that we're all familiar with...cul-de-cacs feeder roads...ring roads...collector roads...and arterials. Even if you look at an aerial of Tyson's Corner there's isolated islands of parking surrounding a low to medium-rise building which connects to the feeder/ring road that dumps traffic onto Leesburg Pike (collector road), and eventually onto 495 (arterial). Ultimately, all of Tyson's corner is surrounded by loop-de-loop sudivisions which don't directly connect to each other or tyson's corner....hence the term "pod-style." It's a basic 1950/60's suburban planning principal...one way in, one way out.

pennster
March 12th, 2007, 07:52 AM
The Mayor is completely contradictory, especially when a towering building (Midtown Bethesda North) was recently built just inside the city limits.

BalWash
March 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM
The Mayor is completely contradictory, especially when a towering building (Midtown Bethesda North) was recently built just inside the city limits.

Are you sure Midtown Bethesda North is in Rockville? What intersection on Rockville Pike divides North Bethesda from Rockville.

Silver Springer
March 12th, 2007, 02:50 PM
Are you sure Midtown Bethesda North is in Rockville? What intersection on Rockville Pike divides North Bethesda from Rockville.

Yes it is. Montrose/Randolph Road is the dividing line for Rockville/North Bethesda. Midtown Bethesda North is north of that. It could be on unicorporated land but that would be weird. I couln't find a plan on Park and planning's website so I think it went in front of Rockville planning dept.

The building is 211'ft. I don't know who Kettler thinks they're fooling it's in Rockville.

Javalady1
March 12th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Yes it is. Montrose/Randolph Road is the dividing line for Rockville/North Bethesda. Midtown Bethesda North is north of that. It could be on unicorporated land but that would be weird. I couln't find a plan on Park and planning's website so I think it went in front of Rockville planning dept.

The building is 211'ft. I don't know who Kettler thinks they're fooling it's in Rockville.

I used to live in MoCo since the early 70's when there was no North Bethesda. The first time I remember hearing this term was when White Flint was built (which was in Kensington). This is the same deal as North Potomac. I lived in Gaithersburg for 12 years starting in the early 80's and never remember hearing the term North Potomac until the early 90's (i.e., there is no North Potomac -- it's Gaithersburg). Maybe the renaming doesn't work if you already lived there before it existed.

Silver Springer
March 12th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I used to live in MoCo since the early 70's when there was no North Bethesda. The first time I remember hearing this term was when White Flint was built (which was in Kensington). This is the same deal as North Potomac. I lived in Gaithersburg for 12 years starting in the early 80's and never remember hearing the term North Potomac until the early 90's (i.e., there is no North Potomac -- it's Gaithersburg). Maybe the renaming doesn't work if you already lived there before it existed.

Ok well an unincorporated part of the county.

Tiger Beer
September 18th, 2011, 04:50 PM
So has Rockville seen any changes?

This thread was originally in 2007, so 4 years have already gone by...

Still the same Rockville?

shakman
September 28th, 2011, 07:12 PM
So has Rockville seen any changes?

This thread was originally in 2007, so 4 years have already gone by...

Still the same Rockville?


There are some proposals along the Pike in the vicinity of Twinbrook Metro. The first one is quite large.

Twinbrook Metro Center (1592 Rockville Pike):
http://www.rockvillemd.gov/zoning/development/1592RockvillePike.html


Twinbrook Square (1800 Rockville Pike):
http://www.rockvillemd.gov/zoning/development/1800RockvillePike.html


...and no Midtown Bethesda North is in MoCo not Rockville proper. Though the zip code may overlap, it does not mean one is the corporate limits of city proper. I remember the City of Rockville protesting when the nearby Target and Midtown was about to start construction.

Mirage52
September 29th, 2011, 12:10 AM
I can never understand how Maryland has gotton soo anti-growth.

Even you don't support building Highways and Upscale MEGA Regional Malls that Northern Virginia has been soo damn lucky with.

Anti-growth? What MD are you living in? :lol: