View Full Version : Should France take back the Statue of Liberty from the USA?
lopt March 11th, 2007, 07:47 AM Seriously, I would be considering it if I was the President of your country. The US just isn't what it used to be, and I think that it is best to take back the Statue of Liberty seeing how the USA is begining its quest for global power and dominance, the very opposite things the statue is supposed to represent.
3tmk March 11th, 2007, 07:58 AM :rofl:
Douly March 11th, 2007, 08:25 AM WTF!!!
This is one a the stupidest thing I have ever heard! :ohno:
Even if France desagree with the US in certain of International political issues, it does not mean that we have to boycott or racket our patrimony. I am from those who think that a good friend is somebody who is telling you when you are wrong or going wrong. That was what France did in the iraqi crisis.
The statue of Liberty is a symbol of freedom and friendship between France and the US.
Besides we already have a little sample of it in paris ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Paris-liberte-eiffel.jpg/250px-Paris-liberte-eiffel.jpg
Grygry March 12th, 2007, 01:18 AM A gift is there to bring peoples toghether, even in tougher circumstances. Accountancy does not help to understand each other better.
I think in such circumstances, it could be used to promote more friendship and discuss the difference between liberty and freedom. :D In some sense it has educationnal virtues!
Concerning the US policies, I believe the worst is behind anyway, we can only do better now, especially with a democrat congress.
brunob March 12th, 2007, 11:37 AM Well, i don't think there was a policy per se that was clearly elaborated in order to proceed with a showdown on all things french along with a moral smear of its entire population, rather than an underlying rallying effort from the right wingers to belittle and make us feel dirty as a nation in our ways of dealing with friends.
As for a wind of change in relations with france now that the house is dominated by the democrats, i don't see a fully fledged shift in attitude towards france before 2008 - although - much of what was said or done in 2003 did not really hurt france where some were hoping it would, and i'd say those who supported the idea of a boycott in a dignified silly sort of way to make themselves heard have long understood what an absurd tranvestite of a reprisal it was.
I'd not worry one bit about Franco-american relationships in the near future.
Grygry March 13th, 2007, 01:29 AM I'd not worry one bit about Franco-american relationships in the near future.
Quite honestly, it seems clear the US have put their allies in a bad situation, regardless of many warnings upon their policies and its consequences. Those who didn't obey paid the price for their wrath.
This is not the sort of country you want to build a strategic alliance with, because they can put you in trouble for no reason, and therefore may still think of their own problems the day you need them badly.
I believe that on the long run, France and European countries will try to be more united to weight more than zero in Washington, and also in other capitals like Beijing, Mumbai, Moscow or Brazilia.
The fundamental for a strategic partnership with the US (= the possibility of negociating policies when times are troubled) does not exist, mostly because they are too powerful. Their credibility is pretty low on international issues, mainly because many believe Colin Powell was purposedly lying to the UN assembly before the war.
I see little hope for stronger and more sincere ties on the long run, except if Europe gets more united, or if China or some other country becomes a menace to peace.
eusebius March 13th, 2007, 04:54 AM Oui! Je proposerais une nouvelle île dans la Seine comme location.
eomer March 13th, 2007, 09:13 AM No: the USA didn't stoled it. It's a gift from France to USA.
It's like Concorde's Obelisque: it was given by Egypt.
As we say in France: "Donner, c'est donner. Reprendre c'est voler."
Cyril March 13th, 2007, 10:16 AM The USA can keep it home, it's pretty ugly imo.
brunob March 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM Quite honestly, it seems clear the US have put their allies in a bad situation, regardless of many warnings upon their policies and its consequences. Those who didn't obey paid the price for their wrath.
This is not the sort of country you want to build a strategic alliance with, because they can put you in trouble for no reason, and therefore may still think of their own problems the day you need them badly.
I think what you have to factor in is from what side the 'punishing' administration come from, and what the reasons for it - rep. got angry that some nation would dare questioning the validity of their argument for war, let alone bluntly telling them 'no' in front of the world ; humiliation of some kind, that was answered with the kind of humiliating retalation the rep. so much favor (ie.g. name calling). Some media networks and pundits did more than their fair share of smearing 'old europe' too, we all know that. Bottom line, that was petty, and not surprising from an admin that sees no problem in being vindictive bullies with their own (Wilson/Plame gate, wink wink) - and schoolyard bullies with their friends (France).
The whole debacle is over as far as i see it, the few remnants are of insignificant scale.
I see little hope for stronger and more sincere ties on the long run, except if Europe gets more united, or if China or some other country becomes a menace to peace.
I think the wind of change will eventually sweep thru for a totally back to normal state of affairs with europe in general. I truly think the bad aftertaste will vanish in the next election. I can't vouch for the rest of the world because the damage is done but the ties with europe can be mended, and compromise on both sides are smart enough to see what interest we can both benefit from instead of bickering. When this administration with little prospect of flexibility is gone, it'll be a breath of fresh air for all. There are plenty of issues we agree upon on both sides of the atlantic but somehow those issues don't always shine thru.
brunob March 13th, 2007, 10:59 PM Je m'autocensure mais avant, un dernier lien, tout frais.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070313/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_chirac
Grygry March 16th, 2007, 01:31 AM It's like Concorde's Obelisque: it was given by Egypt.
Holà, ne vas pas dire ça à un égyptien!
L'obélisque n'a pas été construit pour être offert, et en plus il a été offert sous la pression.
Brice March 17th, 2007, 01:17 AM Holà, ne vas pas dire ça à un égyptien!
L'obélisque n'a pas été construit pour être offert, et en plus il a été offert sous la pression.
Les parisien font tout un foin de leur unique obelisque alors qu'a Rome il y en a sur beaucoup de places.
Unionstation13 March 17th, 2007, 05:34 PM No, it was a gift, and though we may have gone through the whole "freedom fries" thing, doesent mean we are agianst france. France has given america many beautiful things(including architectuall styles. :) ).
The last thing we want to do is break off a sign of friendship with france.
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