I have a basic question on how metro lines are planned with regards to merging Line 2 and Line 3 in the mumbai metro...Apologize if this is a naive question...

Here goes......

As per the original masterplan prepared by DMRC, Line 2 was supposed to be Charkop-Colaba. This makes sense considering this is the most densely populated corridor and WR is bursting at its seams.. Line 3 was supposed to be Bandra-Mankhurd.

Now, with the change in aligment i.e Charkop-Mankhurd and Colaba-Bandra (lets ignore BKC extension for now), can we have point to point routes without changing trains in bandra ?

For example can one still travel from Charkop to Colaba without changing trains at Bandra ? Would the track alignment allow such a service ?

I have heard that branching of metro lines is ineffective since it reduces frequency..But it looks like that's what will happen....

Now you add the Bandra-BKC-Airport Line and it again throws up lots of questions on what point-to-point routes would be possible.

My only guess is that there will be a third track near bandra continuing South for a short distance in the Charkop-Mankhurd corridor(if that's possible at all) that would take care of this in addition to the pair of track in the colaba-bandra corridor

* it should come up at Mahalakshmi and run elevated all*

This means building up of piers at Almost silty clay of Mithi river and over the thousands of mangroves at bandra and holding up the issues for 5 more years atleast!

Touche...Unless you have a super cable stayed bridge jumping over the mithi and the WEH mentioned by altan in a previous post

or you take it over mahim causeway

I have a basic question on how metro lines are planned with regards to merging Line 2 and Line 3 in the mumbai metro...Apologize if this is a naive question...

Here goes......

As per the original masterplan prepared by DMRC, Line 2 was supposed to be Charkop-Colaba. This makes sense considering this is the most densely populated corridor and WR is bursting at its seams.. Line 3 was supposed to be Bandra-Mankhurd.

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As far as I can recollect, there were no takers for the Charkop-Colaba direct route in the pre-bid stage (This is rudimentary info I had come across a long time back. Can some1 corroborate or refute it so that we know what really happened?). Hence the realignment from Charkop-Colaba to Charkop-Bandra.

Now, with the change in aligment i.e Charkop-Mankhurd and Colaba-Bandra (lets ignore BKC extension for now), can we have point to point routes without changing trains in bandra ?

For example can one still travel from Charkop to Colaba without changing trains at Bandra ? Would the track alignment allow such a service ?

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I m sure that multi-level/multi-grade stations on MRT systems, with connecting vestibule-elevators, exist the world over, and everywhere ppl change trains all the time to move from point A to point B. I am sure this can be implemented in Mumbai too. I dont think there will be any issue just because some of the lines are elevated while others will be u/g (For eg, lines coming from MHXM to BAN and onward to BKC-ARPT could still be u/g, while the line from CHKP-BAN-MNKD is still elevated. All we need is a seamless vestibule-elevator system from one grade to the next.

My only guess is that there will be a third track near bandra continuing South for a short distance in the Charkop-Mankhurd corridor(if that's possible at all) that would take care of this in addition to the pair of track in the colaba-bandra corridor

Nice idea, but that means building extra lines on elevated sections, which would only mean land acq headaches, increased costs etc. - Not worth it!!! Moreover, the only pt-to-pt connection I think that needs justifications is the ARPT-BAN-MHXM-COLB route, mainly due to the nature of the traffic.

Hi,


I doubt where on earth will metro get space to change its elevation from U/G to O/G near Bandra.
Look at this.
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=19.0497663&lon=72.8414369&z=16&l=0&m=h

Now let us draft its onward alignment:

* It will run just like phase-1 metro, on the dividers of BKC road.
* Elevated till Bharat diamond borse, MMRDA grounds. It can have a station at ground level somewhere near MMRDA grounds.

Then at the tri-junction of BKC road and the one coming from Kurla depot, it can go u/g. and head northwards. Go belo the AAI colony and all the runways too emerge directly at SE arm of the newly planned airport (at the present taxi stand).

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The digging will be under the super-bed rock, which is pretty stable, considering that mangroves cannot grow in places where the bed-rock is even slightly unstable: Thats the whole idea behind exploiting mangroves as a first line of defense against storm surges - they are very well and deeply rooted. As far as groundwater is concerned, the problems faced by the diggers in the Mahim section will be the same as in other parts of the city where they plan to go u/g - Mahalaxmi, Worli, townside etc.

I think the entire BKC portion onward to the Airport will be u/g. First, going elevated in BKC will completely ruin the look. Moreover, grade-changing is a comparatively expensive and time consuming project, and here we are talking of going u/g-elevated somewhere between Mahim and BKC, and then going back u/g after BKC onwards to the airport. I cant figure why u wud want to do that, when u can go u/g all the way.

Public transporation need not be commercialized targeting economical returns. If they can go underground for limited passengers from airport, they can as well go underground in the dense neighbourhoods for the social good.

If PPP does not work, why not try Delhi metro model?

the main reason why Bandra -Airport section will be underground is not economical or passenger density or political, etc....its coz of the airport. you cannot have elevated structures near the airport. so it has to go u/g somewhere near kala nagar or mumbai university or bandra station. i guess they chose badra station coz it will be easier to go u/g then level +2 over bandra suburban and metro line 2. and remember its not limited passengers after bandra..there will be a lot of passengers for mumbai uni, kala nagar, vakola, airport area and of course the airport.
i hope they extend this line further to link with line 1.

^^^
There are several metros/monorails on stations around the world that are elevated. JFK for instance. So I doubt that should be a reason to go U/g. Plus you have the new elevated road connecting WEH to intl airport in Mumbai itself.

its more for distance. the straight line u/g is much shorter than following the weh. also the weh has numerour flyovers which will pose a problem

through bkc you will have the problem of mangroves and then skirting of the operational area near the runways

From Today's Mumbai Newsline:

(Sorry, couldn't find a text link, copied this from the epaper)

Public-pvt tie-up for Metro 3
SWAPNIL RAWAL

THE Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has decided to opt for public private partnership (PPP) for the third Metro corridor. After vacillating on whether to opt for PPP or to go for the Union Urban Development Ministry's offer of funding 50 per cent of the cost, the MMRDA, which had been awaiting a utilisation report by Louis Berger on reducing the viability gap fund (VGF), decided PPP would be best.
"All corridors, including the third, would be executed on PPP model. The report on commercial exploitation of underground sections was presented a few days back.
VGF is not going down considerably and it's almost break-even as excavation cost is huge. According to our estimates, the VGF would be around Rs 3,500 crore," said Ratnakar Gaikwad, Metropolitan Commissioner, MMRDA.

The MMRDA has decided to extend the third corridor from Bandra to the Airport via the BKC. The 30-km corridor will cost an estimated Rs 15,000 crore with two under ground sections, Colaba to Mahalaxmi and BKC to Airport. "We're preparing the Request for Proposal documents for the revised DPR and plan to send it to the Centre in 15 days," Gaikwad said.

To bring down the high VGF of around Rs 10,000 crore, MMRDA explored options to commercially exploit underground sections.

A detailed project report on the other corridors is expected by month-end following which MMRDA plans to float tenders for the corridors, excluding Sewri-Prabhadevi that depends on the Mumbai Trans Harbour Link.

From Today's Mumbai Newsline:

(Sorry, couldn't find a text link, copied this from the epaper)

Public-pvt tie-up for Metro 3
SWAPNIL RAWAL



The MMRDA has decided to extend the third corridor from Bandra to the Airport via the BKC. The 30-km corridor will cost an estimated Rs 15,000 crore with two under ground sections, Colaba to Mahalaxmi and BKC to Airport. "We're preparing the Request for Proposal documents for the revised DPR and plan to send it to the Centre in 15 days," Gaikwad said.

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Damn spoilsport, but will live with it!!!:):nuts:


A detailed project report on the other corridors is expected by month-end following which MMRDA plans to float tenders for the corridors, excluding Sewri-Prabhadevi that depends on the Mumbai Trans Harbour Link.

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So there is a hint of running some sort of rail n/w (either metro SG or local BG) in parallel to the MTHL!!

From Today's Mumbai Newsline:

(Sorry, couldn't find a text link, copied this from the epaper)

Public-pvt tie-up for Metro 3
SWAPNIL RAWAL

THE Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has decided to opt for public private partnership (PPP) for the third Metro corridor. After vacillating on whether to opt for PPP or to go for the Union Urban Development Ministry's offer of funding 50 per cent of the cost, the MMRDA, which had been awaiting a utilisation report by Louis Berger on reducing the viability gap fund (VGF), decided PPP would be best.
"All corridors, including the third, would be executed on PPP model. The report on commercial exploitation of underground sections was presented a few days back.
VGF is not going down considerably and it's almost break-even as excavation cost is huge. According to our estimates, the VGF would be around Rs 3,500 crore," said Ratnakar Gaikwad, Metropolitan Commissioner, MMRDA.

The MMRDA has decided to extend the third corridor from Bandra to the Airport via the BKC. The 30-km corridor will cost an estimated Rs 15,000 crore with two under ground sections, Colaba to Mahalaxmi and BKC to Airport. "We're preparing the Request for Proposal documents for the revised DPR and plan to send it to the Centre in 15 days," Gaikwad said.

To bring down the high VGF of around Rs 10,000 crore, MMRDA explored options to commercially exploit underground sections.

A detailed project report on the other corridors is expected by month-end following which MMRDA plans to float tenders for the corridors, excluding Sewri-Prabhadevi that depends on the Mumbai Trans Harbour Link.

It would be great if ADAG wins this bid too. Unfortunately, that alone might help us have the best interconnectivity between the 3 Metro lines given how badly MMRDA bungles things up. They should probably give them first right to decline or something to that effect.

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Damn spoilsport, but will live with it!!!:):nuts:




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So there is a hint of running some sort of rail n/w (either metro SG or local BG) in parallel to the MTHL!!


And lets hope Indian Railways doesn't win it and screw things up. A Sewri-Navi Mumbai pair of tracks exlsuively for the metro would be great.


It would be great if ADAG wins this bid too. Unfortunately, that alone might help us have the best interconnectivity between the 3 Metro lines given how badly MMRDA bungles things up. They should probably give them first right to decline or something to that effect.

Make sense..Otherwise they should have strict guidelines regarding integration with the other lines (ticketing, interchange etc)..

GVK has a right of first refusal on the navi mumbai airport...hope they follow the same plan

And lets hope Indian Railways doesn't win it and screw things up. A Sewri-Navi Mumbai pair of tracks exlsuively for the metro would be great.

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This is one of the reasons why the MTHL is getting held up.....apart from the INC-NCP flap on who gets to build it.....as if this is the ninth wonder of the world!!!:nuts::bash:

The second phase might very well be the ninth wonder of the world with the kind of hurdles it faces in Bandra alone. :)

^^

You mean second line? Yes, cant imagine all those elevated structures near Bandra station. It is worth to go underground whatever the cost is.

Why PPP only for Mumbai?

Why PPP only for Mumbai?

hehehe that really good question....u must be thinking why govt paid to delhi metro not mumbai??? right :lol:

hehehe that really good question....u must be thinking why govt paid to delhi metro not mumbai??? right :lol:

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Considering that Maharashtra has one of the highest debts of any state in the nation, I doubt we might be successful in raising any more Maharashtra-specific bond issues at competitive rates. Moreover, there is no point in raising the central debt more than it already is. So, the easiest way to raise money is the equity way (which is what the PPP-BOOT route achieves).

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Considering that Maharashtra has one of the highest debts of any state in the nation, I doubt we might be successful in raising any more Maharashtra-specific bond issues at competitive rates. Moreover, there is no point in raising the central debt more than it already is. So, the easiest way to raise money is the equity way (which is what the PPP-BOOT route achieves).


Is it possible to erase the equal signs and un-italicize your posts. it's very distracting.

Is it possible to erase the equal signs and un-italicize your posts. it's very distracting.

sure

thanks!

Finally, land for metro car depot at Andheri cleared (http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_finally-land-for-metro-car-depot-at-andheri-cleared_1381221)

[Quoted from article]Meanwhile, even as soil testing work for the second phase of the metro begins, MMRDA officials have been busy finalising the Detailed Project Report (DPR) for the third line between Colaba and Bandra. If the officials are to be believed, work for the first ever underground metro route in the city should begin by October next year.

I wonder how they plan to begin construction within < 17 months of DPR for Metro III is done??

Beats me!!!!

What is a guesstimate as to how long it would take for the work on Charkop-Mankhurd to start after the soil testing is complete? I see soil testing work going all over the place including right in front of my house.

outside antilla? i dont think a line has been approved for that area

Not to trigger any comparison here. This is what I found in delhi therad. The underground portions in Phase III is more than 50% when the city already has a decent network.

According to sources, the corridors for which DPRs have been submitted to the government include a 25.66-km line from Anand Vihar to Dhaula Kuan of which 12.52 km will run underground and the rest would be elevated, a 12.40-km line from Mukundpur to Rajouri Garden of which 6.58 km will be underground, a 9.64-km-long line from Ashok Park to Delhi Gate of which 5.28 km will be underground, a fully underground section from Central Secretariat to Red Fort (6.8 km) and an elevated extension of the existing Line 2 from Jehangirpuri to Badli (3.43 km).

the mmrda and the GoM are a bunch of jokers. the centre has agreed to fund 50% of line 3 if its done as a public project. but they still insist on ppp. more money to be had on the side this way i guess

High speed wireless video for Mumbai's subway (http://www.securityinfowatch.com/high-speed-wireless-video-mumbais-subway)

When we hear about real-time surveillance, it's often associated with fixed cameras around a facility, monitored in a basement room by on-duty security officers. But what about getting real-time video off of moving vehicles that are moving at upwards of 50 miles per hour?
That's the challenge that the Mumbai, India, metro transit system faced as it has been developing a modern addition to its existing train/subway transit lines. The transit administrators wanted to have real-time video from inside the train cars themselves routed back to a command center for live security monitoring.
That need for real-time video in a mobile environment presented the obvious limitation that such a system couldn't be hard-wired. The Mumbai metro decision makers worked with global systems integrator Thales Portugal to develop a wireless video system network that could stream the live video from the trains over a 40-mile segment of track. The project started with over a year of research and planning work that involved a comprehensive site assessment and a wireless site assessment (the process requires examining the area for problems with wireless interference and conducting signal propagation range studies). In the end, after examining a number of vendors and putting some of the vendors through two rounds of live tests, Thales settled on equipment from Silicon Valley wireless technology firm Firetide, whose systems have been popular for connecting remote video surveillance cameras and providing campus-wide mesh communications infrastructure.
The technology testing process took roughly six months to ensure that Mumbai was purchasing appropriate technology. Thales Portugal's CEO Joao Araujo said that part of the reason for the lengthy, involved testing is that the project required "high speed bandwidth and reliable performance" in what he termed a "harsh network environment."
The Mumbai metro system will span 40 miles of track, and in Phase 1, Firetide's Ksenia Coffman said that Thales is beginning to install Firetide wireless radio communicators every 500 meters along the track. Those communicators pick up video signals from inside the trains themselves, which have Firetide's radios (a.k.a. nodes) installed the vehicles. According to Coffman, Mumbai will be using dual-radio devices; one radio in each unit is designed to transfer the video data from the cameras on the trains, while the other radio inside each transceiver is handling the communications processes that allows video to be handed off to the track nodes as a train moves down the track. The fixed nodes along the track are connected via a fiber-optic backbone that allows the video to be routed back to the command center. Besides the downlink of video, the system will also support an uplink design which will allow text-based messages to be sent in real-time to monitors mounted inside the train's cars.
"The key to this project," explains Coffman, "is the self-healing nature at high speeds." She added that Firetide has a special routing protocol and node management system that helps enable this type of design. As the train moves in range of one radio, it switches the video data transfer to that node from the previous node on its track; it is constantly patching into the different nodes based on which has the best signal strength. The design is said to allow for zero packet loss while handing off the video data, and it supports a number of data encryption options, including AES, WEP, WPA2 and IP layer data encapsulation. The nodes offer 10 mbps connection speeds.
Coffman says this type of real-time mobile video surveillance project has been done just once before – in Seoul, South Korea, for that city's subway system. A similar network design was deployed to allow for the video hand-offs as the trains glided down the rail paths. "It's a trend we're seeing in transit applications where they want real-time visibility in trains and in the stations," Coffman added. "They want video off moving transit vehicles in real-time."
The first phase of the wirelessly connected IP video system will place between 130 and 150 of Firetide's outdoor wireless mesh nodes along the new elevated tracks, plus a number of nodes for the trains themselves. Firetide's CEO Bo Larsson called the project "groundbreaking," and Coffman herself noted that projects like these are only now starting to appear on technologists' radars. She noted that a similar design could be applied to bus systems, but that bus projects would likely be more involved and expensive since bus routes cover wider and more varied areas than a fixed train track.
Mumbai, which is considered India's financial center, began the addition to its metro system in 2006 and the new metro train lines are set to be operation in 2011. The first phase is an elevated transit system (the wireless design also works below ground, as in Seoul) in Mumbai's urban areas that will be much more modern than the existing system. It will feature conveniences like air conditioning in the train cars. Part of the reasoning behind the real-time video surveillance project is believed to be the terror attacks that have occurred in the city. The most notable terror attacks were the 2008 attacks, which was series of coordinated terror attacks at different locations in the city conducted by Muslim terrorists from neighboring Pakistan. More than 170 person were killed and more than 300 were injured in the 2008 attacks.
Terrorism has held a strong presence in Mumbai, dating back to 1993 when a series of bombings targeted the city. In July 2006, terrorists targeted Mumbai's suburban rail system; those train bombings left 209 persons dead and more than 700 were injured. Train attacks were not new to Mumbai in 2006. Just three years earlier, the Mulund station of Mumbai's train system was bombed. That incident killed 10 and injured 70.
Details on the cost of the project and which camera/recorder vendors had been selected are not yet available.

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Apparently the backhaul is a OF backbone....which means more digging!!!:ohno::nuts:

^^ great news its really required....

I don't know much about structural engineering, but I'm pretty sure we dont need cable-stayed bridges at all the points mentioned above. Cable stayed bridges AFAIK are required only for spanning significant lengths when a pillar in the intervening region is not possible. In some of these places simply increasing the length of the pillars might suffice.

+1. In Delhi, metro lines cross over flyovers without any special structures.

For example can one still travel from Charkop to Colaba without changing trains at Bandra ? Would the track alignment allow such a service ?

I have heard that branching of metro lines is ineffective since it reduces frequency..But it looks like that's what will happen....

One will not be able to travel directly from Charkop to Colaba as new metro systems do not usually use branching of lines. It is even more unlikely in case of Mumbai metro as the line 2 and line 3 are separate entities. Line 3's operator might be different from other 2 lines.

hehehe that really good question....u must be thinking why govt paid to delhi metro not mumbai??? right :lol:

That is a misconception. In Delhi metro model (which is followed by Bangalore and Chennai too), state govt and central govt hold 50% equity each, which does not means they contribute to 50% funds each. Most of the money in Delhi metro (66%) came from bank loans from JBIC. Centre and state contribution was around 15% each and rest was arranged from miscellaneous sources. In Phase-II, figures might have changed a bit as JBIC refused to give complete loan which it committed.

Here in Mumbai, centre is giving thousands of crores in VGF. Line 3 alone is 15000 crore, which is much more than entire 65 km Phase-I of Delhi metro (10,571 crores). So centre might be contributing more to Mumbai than other cities.

Also do not forget that centre does not gives funds for free. State govt has to invest equal amount of money too. If centre has saved some of its funds by opting for PPP model in Mumbai, then it means that Maha govt has saved equal amount of funds, which it can utilize in other development activities.

That is a misconception. In Delhi metro model (which is followed by Bangalore and Chennai too), state govt and central govt hold 50% equity each, which does not means they contribute to 50% funds each. Most of the money in Delhi metro (66%) came from bank loans from JBIC. Centre and state contribution was around 15% each and rest was arranged from miscellaneous sources. In Phase-II, figures might have changed a bit as JBIC refused to give complete loan which it committed.

Here in Mumbai, centre is giving thousands of crores in VGF. Line 3 alone is 15000 crore, which is much more than entire 65 km Phase-I of Delhi metro (10,571 crores). So centre might be contributing more to Mumbai than other cities.

Also do not forget that centre does not gives funds for free. State govt has to invest equal amount of money too. If centre has saved some of its funds by opting for PPP model in Mumbai, then it means that Maha govt has saved equal amount of funds, which it can utilize in other development activities.


nice info, thank :)

From INR 25000 cr. (USD 4.5 billion), the cost now goes upto USD 8 billion)!!! Ofcourse, there is no explanation forthcoming from MMRDA, as usual. At these prices, Mumbai should be getting an all-underground metro system!!!:bash::bash:


Infra projects in MMR now cost Rs 38K cr more (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/infrastructure/Infra-projects-in-MMR-now-cost-Rs-38K-cr-more/articleshow/5943238.cms)

(Quoting relevant portion)

10K-cr Hike In Metro Cost

The estimate for the Metro’s nine corridors has been revised to Rs 36,000 crore from the earlier Rs 25,000 crore. Similarly, the addition of new routes to the ongoing monorail project has jacked up the estimate by Rs 10,000 crore. The introduction of a low-cost rental housing project, that seeks to create 5 lakh homes, would require a funding of Rs 10,000 crore. In addition to these, the MMRDA requires another Rs 10,000 crore to develop the Iconic tower and inter-state bus and truck terminals in Wadala.

Progress Report

Of the nine Metro routes, work on the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar line is expected to be complete by May 2011. The MMRDA, however, claims that it would complete it by December 2010. Work on the 12-km Jacob Circle-Wadala-Chembur monorail route is currently underway.

Money matters

The MMRDA’s revised estimate for construction of nine corridors for Metro now stands at Rs 36,000 crore. The agency’s earlier estimate was Rs 25,000 crore New power generation and landfill site development programmes will require around Rs 5,500 crore Extension of the Mumbai Urban Infrastructure Project (MUIP) to include development of roads in Thane, Navi Mumbai, Kalyan, Bhiwandi and Vasai has increased the cost from the earlier Rs 1,400 crore to Rs 2,000 crore.

+1. In Delhi, metro lines cross over flyovers without any special structures.



One will not be able to travel directly from Charkop to Colaba as new metro systems do not usually use branching of lines. It is even more unlikely in case of Mumbai metro as the line 2 and line 3 are separate entities. Line 3's operator might be different from other 2 lines.



That is a misconception. In Delhi metro model (which is followed by Bangalore and Chennai too), state govt and central govt hold 50% equity each, which does not means they contribute to 50% funds each. Most of the money in Delhi metro (66%) came from bank loans from JBIC. Centre and state contribution was around 15% each and rest was arranged from miscellaneous sources. In Phase-II, figures might have changed a bit as JBIC refused to give complete loan which it committed.

Here in Mumbai, centre is giving thousands of crores in VGF. Line 3 alone is 15000 crore, which is much more than entire 65 km Phase-I of Delhi metro (10,571 crores). So centre might be contributing more to Mumbai than other cities.

Also do not forget that centre does not gives funds for free. State govt has to invest equal amount of money too. If centre has saved some of its funds by opting for PPP model in Mumbai, then it means that Maha govt has saved equal amount of funds, which it can utilize in other development activities.

The loan from JBIC etc is in the books of central and state Govts (atleast indirectly through guarantees). As such, it is Govt funding , though I dont know the centre's share for Delhi, Blore and Chennai.

The argument here is not about Maharahtra Govt saving, but PPP could not provide adequate funds required for underground sytem, which is necessary as per many forumers.

The works on the station near Andheri Station is progessing well.

The commercial establishments near the under-contruction WEH station is already claustrophobic and gloomy. There is hardly any gap between Metro station and the commerical establishements (may be 2-3 inches). I pity those apartments on JP road close to the upcoming Metro stations.

The works on the station near Andheri Station is progessing well.

The commercial establishments near the under-contruction WEH station is already claustrophobic and gloomy. There is hardly any gap between Metro station and the commerical establishements (may be 2-3 inches). I pity those apartments on JP road close to the upcoming Metro stations.

Well, what can one do? Businesses will be affected like that. I was shocked to see that someone can actually jump into the metro station from an apartment adjacent to it. That's how close it is. Could they have changed the alignment a bit?

The works on the station near Andheri Station is progessing well.

The commercial establishments near the under-contruction WEH station is already claustrophobic and gloomy. There is hardly any gap between Metro station and the commerical establishements (may be 2-3 inches). I pity those apartments on JP road close to the upcoming Metro stations.

Well, I guess Google Maps/Earth need to update their maps quick (both at ADH stn. and WEH)!!!

The loan from JBIC etc is in the books of central and state Govts (atleast indirectly through guarantees). As such, it is Govt funding , though I dont know the centre's share for Delhi, Blore and Chennai.

Central and state govts have to pay the debt only when DMRC defaults. Since DMRC is earning operational profits, it is servicing the loan from its own books.

Share of centre and states is equal in all of them.

The argument here is not about Maharahtra Govt saving, but PPP could not provide adequate funds required for underground sytem, which is necessary as per many forumers.

That's because of unrealistically high cost of underground metro in Mumbai compared to other cities (600 crore/km).

do you think part of such high costs could be due to the terrain of mumbai, including the fact that much of the land has been reclaimed from the sea? or do you think its more to do with massive amounts of corruption and hundreds of extra crores going into babus pockets? maybe they feel that one can see progress of elevated structures more than that of underground and if construction goes fast, this will look better come election time than an u/g line because of the visible effect. i dont think most people really care or realize the differences between elevated and u/g.

do you think part of such high costs could be due to the terrain of mumbai, including the fact that much of the land has been reclaimed from the sea? or do you think its more to do with massive amounts of corruption and hundreds of extra crores going into babus pockets? maybe they feel that one can see progress of elevated structures more than that of underground and if construction goes fast, this will look better come election time than an u/g line because of the visible effect. i dont think most people really care or realize the differences between elevated and u/g.

Two reasons: Soil conditions in the townside because of the Vellard, and the extensive and intensive nature of u/g utilities in Mumbai, unlike most other city in India.....remember, there are parts of Delhi proper (Chandni Chowk etc.) which still have overhead household wiring, never mind telephone landlines and other utilities.....To add to it, all these utilities are not mapped properly, making life miserable for whoever wants to dig deep for a trench or tunnel, esp over longer distances.....

But these relatively small issues do not add extra 300 crores per km IMO. There is something more than this.

But these relatively small issues do not add extra 300 crores per km IMO. There is something more than this.

You mean "u/g utilities" is small issue for an u/g metro?????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......:ohno:

most u/g utilities are not as deep as a metro tunnel. the only ones that are some sewage and water supply lines

You mean "u/g utilities" is small issue for an u/g metro?????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......:ohno:

So you mean laying underground utilities is as costly as building underground metro ? :no:

So you mean laying underground utilities is as costly as building underground metro ? :no:

No. What I meant was, the direct and indirect costs of safely moving utilities adds considerably to the total cost. You have to factor in damages (and attendant delays and litigation), re-digging and re-laying of utilities along another alignment, delays for the re-work due to pending permissions or some other obstacle.....the damn list goes on and on and on.....

And all these costs are to be borne eventually by the contractor executing the metro project.

most u/g utilities are not as deep as a metro tunnel. the only ones that are some sewage and water supply lines

If they use CnC, it would not make any difference....utilities will need to be shifted anyways. Only in some DnB projects would shallow utilities be completely unaffected....again, I say some, since any exposure to the surface (like station exits, ventilation ducting etc.) would require reworking the shallow utilities locally.

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Shaky building stalls Metro project at Ghatkopar (http://content.magicbricks.com/shaky-building-stalls-metro-project-at-ghatkopar)

The state government has asked the MMRDA to stop work near Sarvodaya Hospital in Ghatkopar over fears that a dilapidated building adjoining it would collapse the moment digging work is undertaken to construct pillars for the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro project. A fortnight ago, residents of Sarvodaya Quarters, a 40-yearold building next to the hospital, prevented Mumbai Metro One officials from starting work on the project on Golibar Road, which is a mere 500 metres from Ghatkopar station.

Bhaskar Jadhav, minister of state for urban development, said, “I have asked the MMRDA to stop work on this stretch as it poses a risk to the inhabitants of the building.’’ Mangesh Naik, a resident, said, “MMRDA had warned us that any piling work close to our building will lead to the entire structure’s collapse.

Despite this, the MMRDA and their contractors came to carry out the work. We had no option but to send them back.’’ Amit Solanki, another resident, added, “The BMC had declared our building as dilapidated in 2002, but the hospital authorities never made any efforts to repair it.’’ The BMC had issued notices to the trustees in June 2009 to pull down the building, which houses 102 tenants. Harish Mehta, trustee of Sarvodaya Hospital Trust, said, “I cannot comment on the issue as the matter is sub-judice.’’ Residents are unwilling to vacate the premises claiming ownership. Naik said, “We used to stay in a slum on the plot where the building now stands. Since the then trustees did not want a slum adjoining their new hospital, they provided us free accommodation on the condition that we work in their hospital.’’

Ashwini Bhide, additional metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA, said, “We have decided not to carry out work in front of the building till the time the issue is resolved. Moreover, work could not be undertaken as the traffic police is yet to close the stretch on which the building is located, till an alternate traffic plan is in place.’’ MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad has asked the BMC to resolve the matter. Bhide said, “The BMC has already issued them notices and it is for them and trustees or the tenants to find a solution to the problem.’’

Central and state govts have to pay the debt only when DMRC defaults. Since DMRC is earning operational profits, it is servicing the loan from its own books.

Share of centre and states is equal in all of them.



That's because of unrealistically high cost of underground metro in Mumbai compared to other cities (600 crore/km).

I doubt that. The principal repayments are yet to start. It is servicing only interest at a nominal rate of 1.5% ( I am not sure, if there is moratorium for that too). DMRC made around Rs.700 crore EBITDA and Rs.200 crore PBT in 2008-09. So, the approximate cash accruals would be around Rs.300 Crores after adjusting depreciation in 2008-09. The profit margins is not likely to increase in future as it is difficult to increase ticket rate unless the cost increases. Moreover, the maintenance expenses will increase as the system gets old. The annual installments for the debt portion of the operational lines would be around Rs.500 crore (for 40 years) once it starts. As years pass, Govt has to pay it back.

But there is nothing wrong in that. Infrastructure projects need not be profitable always.

And one more thing, Bangalore metro is charged a higher interest rate of 3.5%. Is it because of the guarantee structure. Is Bangalore Metro guaranteed by GoK?

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Shaky building stalls Metro project at Ghatkopar (http://content.magicbricks.com/shaky-building-stalls-metro-project-at-ghatkopar)

Ashwini Bhide, additional metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA, said, “We have decided not to carry out work in front of the building till the time the issue is resolved.

Are they going to wait till the building collapse automatically?

Are they going to wait till the building collapse automatically?

I think they should go ahead nevertheless....damn the building owners. If they dont wanna maintain their own property, why should MM1 and the city suffer!!!

Is this yet another bunch of Sarvodaya hospital employees? I'd heard that one lot had the same issue of dilapidated building, but had already accepted a resettlement plan in Nahur. Jeez, how many people does this place employ?

False alarm, methinks. That magicbricks article is dated Januray 2010. The below article from April clarifies:

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_sarvodaya-residents-will-move-to-nahur_1375922

^^yea thats an old article.The issue has been solved now.

^^yea thats an old article.The issue has been solved now.

Sorry my bad......did not notice the date....I guess was jaded after the days work, n wanted to let it out on some1....then y not our very own MMRDA!!!:lol::nuts: (There should be a spl emoticon for being relieved!!!)

No. What I meant was, the direct and indirect costs of safely moving utilities adds considerably to the total cost. You have to factor in damages (and attendant delays and litigation), re-digging and re-laying of utilities along another alignment, delays for the re-work due to pending permissions or some other obstacle.....the damn list goes on and on and on.....

And all these costs are to be borne eventually by the contractor executing the metro project.

That's the same case with all other cities. Rs 300 crore/km includes all these shifting costs. Mumbai is not that much different from all other cities of India.

i'll build u/g metro at 1 crore/km yeah? :P

That's the same case with all other cities. Rs 300 crore/km includes all these shifting costs. Mumbai is not that much different from all other cities of India.

How many cities in India have that dense a network of u/g utilities as Mumbai????

Surely, this is a harbinger of another protracted fight!!! Tighten your seatbelts, folks!!!

MMRDA eyes 1,045 acres for Metro car sheds (http://www.hindustantimes.com/MMRDA-eyes-1-045-acres-for-Metro-car-sheds/Article1-492942.aspx)

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority has staked claim to 1,045 acres of land across Mumbai, as probable sites for Metro and Monorail car sheds.
“We’ve submitted a proposal to the government seeking reservation on 1,045 acres of land, as potential sites for car depots for the Metro and monorail projects,” MMRDA spoke-sperson Dilip Kawathkar said.
The 14 plots are spread across Oshiwara, Borivli, Ghatkopar, Malvani, Govandi and Dahisar. “Some of these plots belong to the Revenue Department, some are with private developers,” he added.
But it’s not a done deal yet. Many of these landowners don’t want to give up their land. One of them is the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation, which refused to part with its 15-hectare Gorai dumping ground, which was shut recently.
“We wrote to the Urban Development Department seeking reservation of the dumping ground land for MMRDA. But the BMC declined to hand it over, as it wants to use the land for its own projects,” MMRDA Assistant Metropolitan Commissioner Ashok Wankhede said.
Land availability for car sheds is slowing down the MMRDA’s plans to build a 150 km Metro rail network and a 100 km Monorail. Car sheds and depots typically need large sweeps of land where rakes can be serviced and parked when not in use.
And in space starved Mumbai, finding such large tracts of land is turning out to be a stiff challenge. Both of MMRDA’s initial Metro projects were delayed, after running into problems with land for car sheds. The Versova - Andheri - Ghatkopar Metro line was delayed after MMRDA’s plan to allot 13.8 hectares for a depot ran into legal problems on the ownership issue. By the time the problem was sorted out, it had caused serious time and cost overruns.
MMRDA’s second Metro line, Charkop - Bandra - Mankhurd, is also in trouble, with protests against the 20-hectare depot meant to come up at Charkop.

IR, MMRDA, MSRDC and BMC should stop building infrastructure and concentrate on honing their skills at "pass the buck"!!!! Fucking inepts!!!:bash::bash::ohno::ohno:

7 mths to launch, no design for metro bridge at Andheri (http://www.3dsyndication.com/showarticlerss.aspx?nid=hU3dPulsBZjGJHnuOwP6CrK2Z82yYl5JZMrbdWOjsomhGoFk=)

Your dream of commuting in an air-conditioned metro rail coach just got delayed, again. Western Railways (WR) officials have claimed that Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium which is constructing Mumbai's first metro rail, is yet to submit the final design of a key rail-over-bridge (RoB) connecting the metro corridor between Versova-Andheri and Ghatkopar.
With barely seven months to go before the first metro starts operating between Versova-Andheri and Ghatkopar, as promised by the project overseer Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), and MMOPL, the final design of the 180-metre-long RoB crossing over the railway tracks near Andheri station is still to be submitted to the railways. As per the plans, the bridge will take about 10 months to construct.
Western Railways chief public relations officer SS Gupta told DNA that MMOPL has not even submitted the designs to Stup Consultants, an independent proof-checking agency appointed by MMOPL. "Although WR has given an in-principle 'go ahead' to the construction of the RoB long ago by clearing the general arrangement design (GAD), MMOPL is yet to submit the finer designs and the detailed drawings to us. How can our chief bridge engineer (CBE) let the work begin before the detailed designs are shown and proof-checked by Stup Consultants?" questioned Gupta.
While WR officials claim to be committed to giving the clearances to all the designs submitted for the various MMRDA projects, officials of the authority say they are up in arms against what they call a lacklustre approach of the railways. MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad was upset that the metro was getting delayed since WR is yet to give even minor permissions. "I am optimistic that WR officials will take our projects seriously. Earlier, they had reservations about the Milan Subway flyover. However, they have now cleared it," said Gaikwad.
Contrary to the version of WR officials, Gaikwad said that the designs were submitted to the CBE on Tuesday, and after minor changes, it will be cleared in the next two days.
The construction of this otherwise small bridge is going to be a daunting task for metro officials. The total length of the steel bridge will be 183 metres. Out of this, a stretch of 90 metres will be right inside the railway area. MMOPL has already begun the work of constructing a bridge from the east side of Andheri. After the first span is completed, engineers will launch their machines on it to complete the other spans. This will take at least 9 to 10 months, since MMOPL will get barely get 3-4 hours each day for construction, when the suburban as well as through trains do not run. Though MMOPL and MMRDA have been pushing for a deadline of December 2010 for the metro to start, this work obviously is going to be a major hurdle for them.

Source: TimesofIndia epaper

Metro may go up to airports
Ashley D’Mello I TNN

Mumbai: The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is planning to extend the Metro network to improve connectivity to the city’s domestic and international airports.
The MMRDA officials have proposed a special line that would start at Mahim and go up to the domestic and international airports with stops at Dharavi as well as Vidyanagari Campus in Kalina. The line will have a stop on the Western Express Highway near the Vile Parle station to give citizens easy access to the international airport.
Senior officials in charge of the Metro planning said that this special line would be connected to the Mumbai Metro’s third line. The earlier plan of connecting the two airports through the monorail has been shelved.
This special line would move from Mahim onto Dharavi and then cross over to the Bandra-Kurla Complex. From there, it would go to the University of Mumbai at Kalina, domestic airport at Santa cruz, international airport at Sahar and a spot next to the Western Express Highway near Vile Parle station.
“There is a need to serve the airport area more effectively,” said a Metro rail official. “Dharavi is also a developing area. Moreover, we need to provide connectivity to students and academics who regularly visit the university. The special line would also connect to SEEPZ which has large commuter potential,’’ the official added.
According to officials involved in the Metro planning, the inclusion of all these spots in the special line is commercially viable owing to the growing commuter traffic there.
The first Metro line—Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar, is being constructed by Reliance Infrastructure led consortium. Work is yet to start on the second line—Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd.
The Colaba-Bandra line will be underground till Mahalaxmi and will then go on elevated tracks to Bandra. While MMRDA officials claim that this line would be ready in five years, the final details of the project are yet to be approved by the Centre.
“We have been talking to the airport officials and feel this will be the most effective way of connecting the airport. We have indicated the spots where stations may come up, but a final decision has not been taken,’’ said the official.
The airport will also be served by the large elevated road being built by the MMRDA from the Western Express Highway to the international airport.This elevated road should be ready by the end of the year.
Initially, the monorail was supposed to connect the two airports. Following a series of discussions, officials concluded that a Metro line would best serve the purpose.
MMRDA-rly blame game delaying Metro Phase I
Mumbai: The railway authorities and the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority(MMRDA) are slugging it out over the issue of permission for a Metro overbridge near the Andheri station.
The Metro first line—Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar—would have to cross the Western Railway tracks at Andheri. MMRDA officials have blamed WR authorities for the delay in execution of the project.
Railway officials, however, are pointing fingers at the MMRDA and the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), which is building the line. Said WR spokesperson S S Gupta, “The MMOPL has not yet submitted its detailed plan for the overbridge.” Meanwhile, the MMOPL has begun bridge work on either side of WR tracks pending a final clearance of the bridge’s design.
—Ashley D’Mello | TNN
Nod for Thane-Bhiwandi monorail likely this week
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
Mumbai: The 30-km Thane-Kalyan-Bhiwandi monorail project report is likely to be approved by the Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation this week, following which it will be forwarded to the Centre for approval for the Viability Gap Funding(VGF). Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said that the Rs 4,200-crore project will give a fillip to the region. “The project report for the Colaba-Bandra Metro line will also be submitted to the Centre for approval. The VGF funding could be as high as 30% for this project,’’ said Gaikwad, adding, “The Metro and monorail routes, once complete, will carry 50 lakh people to their destinations on a daily basis.” The two will help take many vehicles off the roads, he added.

Things that don't make too much sense

1. Airport terminals are to be consolidated at the International Terminal (T2). Whats the use of the metro passing through the current domestic terminal ? If they take the metro line underground after touching mumbai university, it can pass straight under the tarmac / runways and reach T2...why the detour through the domestic terminal...

2. When the hell was a monorail between the terminals planned...they talk as if there was a plan all along...

3. Dharavi...seriously ?

After the 3G auctions, where Ambani Jr. outbid practically everyone else to emerge as the winner, I guess he wont have any money left to spend on MM1 (and other future Mumbai metro phases)!!! Good news....atleast that will give other cos a chance to bid for the next few phases!!!:banana::banana:

Things that don't make too much sense

1. Airport terminals are to be consolidated at the International Terminal (T2). Whats the use of the metro passing through the current domestic terminal ? If they take the metro line underground after touching mumbai university, it can pass straight under the tarmac / runways and reach T2...why the detour through the domestic terminal...

May be they were thinking of building the metro line around the edge of the runway, so that pax could board directly board their flts without bothering to check in thru the terminal....could get the metro operator some extra cash by way of boarding fees and the like!!!

And I thought T1 would eventually become a cargo terminal....so may be Mumbai Metro will be the first MRTS rail system with goods compartment to carry luggage and cargo to the cargo terminal....u never know what can happen if MMRDA applies its mind!!!

2. When the hell was a monorail between the terminals planned...they talk as if there was a plan all along...

Why not???? Same reason they can build a metro.....allow direct boarding from monorail coach to the airplane.....a first anywhere in this goddamn universe!!! Will allow the monorail operator to never run at a loss!!!

3. Dharavi...seriously ?

Cmon, dont b so elitist, n dont u dare underestimate these folks.....Dharavi has some of the biggest SME units anywhere in this country, and is a very lucrative (poverty-porn-)tourist destination.....they deserve a unique transportation alternative....I say, build a circular monorail and metro along the periphery of the entire Dharavi precinct esp for these folks!!!

All comments to be taken in jest!!!

Source: TimesofIndia epaper

Metro may go up to airports
Ashley D’Mello I TNN


Senior officials in charge of the Metro planning said that this special line would be connected to the Mumbai Metro’s third line. The earlier plan of connecting the two airports through the monorail has been shelved.

Initially, the monorail was supposed to connect the two airports. Following a series of discussions, officials concluded that a Metro line would best serve the purpose.

Better idea: Why dont they build a metro or monorail line directly over the tarmac, runways and taxiways, with retractable bridges...whenever a plane has to take off or land, simply stop trains, retract the bridges (something like this: Retractable Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MovableBridge_thrust.gif), except with trains and a runway underneath!!!) and let the plan whiz thru!!! U never know what is possible when MMRDA applies its mind!!!

whenever a plane has to take off or land, simply stop trains, retract the bridges

practically wont possible....certainly not possible with mumbai airport, its one the busiest airport...in south asia

^^He was joking . kuwar bhondu... :lol:

^^He was joking . kuwar bhondu... :lol:

heheh i took it seriously....my bad....:lol:

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We've been hearing it for a while now....but still...something to hold on to...

Source : dnaindia

Mumbai: Travelling woes of faraway suburbs of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region are soon to be over. With the officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) putting the Thane-Kalyan-Bhiwandi monorail route on the fast track, these towns will soon see monorail connectivity. Besides, work on the
third metro corridor is also likely to gain momentum.

“The authority will soon be sending the detailed project report of the second monorail corridor between Thane-Bhiwandi-Kalyan as well as the third metro corridor between Colaba and Bandra to the Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation for approval. Once the corporation approves it, the report as well as the bid documents will be submitted to the centre for seeking grants,” said MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad.

“While we are expecting a viability gap of 30% for the third metro line — the cost for which is close to Rs8,857 crore. The viability figure is close to Rs3,200 crore. However, in case of the second monorail, we will know whether it requires viability only when the bids are submitted since this is the first monorail project with public-private-partnership (model),” said Gaikwad.

The authority has already finalised the project report for the
19.85-km long third line of metro which will be partially underground between Colaba and Mahalaxmi. Union minister for urban development S Jaipal Reddy had earlier promised that the centre would definitely help in the construction of the third metro. According to Gaikwad, unlike the third line of metro, the monorail may not require a viability gap at all.

“Since the area badly needs a public transport system and especially Bhiwandi lacks any public transport, this project may even have a negative viability. The 30-km monorail will be costing Rs4,200 crore and MMRDA feels that there is not much need to ask for a viability gap,” Gaikwad said.

Forgot to post the link
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_second-monorail-third-metro-corridor-put-on-fast-track_1385669

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/metro-2-work-from-november-an-early-peep-this-month/621582/

Metro 2 work from November, an early peep this month


Mumbai Construction of the second Metro corridor will kick off by November, the nodal agency says. The target for completion of the 32-km Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd corridor is 2013-end. “Construction on the corridor will be in full swing by November while we’re expecting them (the concessionaire) to achieve the financial closure by October-end,” said Ratnakar Gaikwad, metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA.

The concessionaire, a consortium led by Reliance Infrastructure Ltd, is currently carrying out surveys of the corridor and also soil tests along the route.

Unlike the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor, also with RInfra, the second is easier to execute with wider roads, MMRDA officials feel. The MMRDA has not yet handed over some stretches of the VAG corridor; it will hand over 50 per cent of the Right of Way when work begins.

“It is part of the contract: we will give 50 per cent RoW and the remaining 50 per cent within six months. This corridor has the advantage of wide roads along most of the stretch, so it’s quite easy to execute in comparison to the first one,” said a senior MMRDA official.

Not everything is a smooth run for the nodal agency; a challenge is rehabilitation and resettlement on two stretches, one in Bandra and the other in Kurla. Buildings come in the way of the planned alignment.

RInfra will receive Rs 1,532 crore from the Centre and Rs 766 crore from the state as viability gap funding for the Rs 8,250-crore elevated Metro corridor, will have 27 stations.

The consortium signed the concession agreement with the state in February for a period of 35 years, with a clause for an extension of another 10 years.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/virtual-simulation-3d-clip-for-citizens/621584/


Virtual simulation: 3D clip for citizens

Mumbai The MMRDA is in the process of making a three-dimensional clip
that would give Mumbaikars a glimpse of what the second Metro corridor will look like. The 10-minute audiovisual is expected to be ready by the end of the month.

M/s Medulla-Soft has been hired to make the clip. The firm has also carried out a virtual simulation of city’s busiest junction, Haji Ali, to help find traffic solutions.

MMRDA officials said the 3-D simulation will define a virtual environment with crucial elements like buildings, road alignment, interchanges and terrain along the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd corridor. “It is a 3-D simulation with features of the corridor being displayed, including the interchanges with first corridor at DN Nagar, with the suburban railway at Bandra, and monorail. It would have a cross-section of the roads that would have a simulation of the traffic along the 32-km corridor. Apart from that, it would showcase the features of the stations, where the ticket vending machines are on the concourse level, etc,” said K Vijayalakshmi, senior transport planner, MRTS, MMRDA.

The audiovisual will also show how the skywalks will provide easy access to the stations.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/virtual-simulation-3d-clip-for-citizens/621584/


Virtual simulation: 3D clip for citizens

Wonder how that is gonna help us??? Why doesnt MMRDA just concentrate on getting the work done, and leaves these bells and whistles for later????

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/metro-2-work-from-november-an-early-peep-this-month/621582/

Metro 2 work from November, an early peep this month

So the snobs in Vile Parle/Andheri W agreed to the elevated route plan, is it??? What happened to their PIL to make their stretch u/g???

Btw, does anyone know the precise alignment??? Would be interesting to know where Lines 1 and 2 shall meet. I am guessing Line 2 will be at a higher grade.

Also the Bandra alignment (where it turns from southbound to eastbound) into BKC will be interesting to note, since this is where Line 3 will terminate, and eventually proceed to the Airport, if all goes as per plan.

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So the snobs in Vile Parle/Andheri W agreed to the elevated route plan, is it??? What happened to their PIL to make their stretch u/g???

Btw, does anyone know the precise alignment??? Would be interesting to know where Lines 1 and 2 shall meet. I am guessing Line 2 will be at a higher grade.

Also the Bandra alignment (where it turns from southbound to eastbound) into BKC will be interesting to note, since this is where Line 3 will terminate, and eventually proceed to the Airport, if all goes as per plan.



I doubt if they have....but I have a feeling the court should throw out their petition soon (as they have done for all other obstructions posed by residents).......From what I understand they are still achieving financial closure and giving out subcontracts for the individual components (viaduct, signalling etc)..

Here is a map of the alignment posted by someone earlier. Contains Line 1, Line 2 and monorail for now

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=101985644248147063682.0004844da327b58eb985a&ll=19.160735,73.067322&spn=0.730324,1.234589&z=10

From the map it appears that it will intersect at JP road (i.e. DN Nagar station)...

MMRDA keeps on saying something or the other. Let them finish the first line on time.

They keep on saying that 2nd line has wider roads. Hope they have visited the station areas, as it crosses 3 railway tracks. And Linking road is strictly 2+2 at many places in Bandra/Khar. Add to that normal 2+2 roads - SV Road/ Juhu Road and may be VM road too.

MMRDA keeps on saying something or the other. Let them finish the first line on time.



I think they are already delayed!

Dec 2010 is Reliance deadline, which is impossible. MMRDA has a relaxed deadline sometime in 2011.

Any idea what is the status of the Automatic Fare Collection System for the metro, or if they are planning one??? Would this be indeed integrated with the monorail system, as is being claimed here (http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Monorail-to-have-automatic-fare-collection-system/4845273202)???

Any idea what is the status of the Automatic Fare Collection System for the metro, or if they are planning one??? Would this be indeed integrated with the monorail system, as is being claimed here (http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Monorail-to-have-automatic-fare-collection-system/4845273202)???

You mean are they installing AFC in metro or not ? If yes, then AFC would be installed, it is must for metro. AFC of metro and monorail can be integrated. Most of the big cities have that system (for example HK have a single card - octopus card for everything).

You mean are they installing AFC in metro or not ? If yes, then AFC would be installed, it is must for metro. AFC of metro and monorail can be integrated. Most of the big cities have that system (for example HK have a single card - octopus card for everything).

What I am interested in is any documentary evidence (new articles in the media, MMRDA releases and the like) about AFC plans for the metro and monorail, and what is the progress of this effort. The link in my earlier post is the first I have heard of this thing anywhere in the news media.

Moreover, Mumbai currently has some sort of common smart card for use in BEST and local train services. Has anyone come across news reports or releases regarding what will happen of this once metro one and the monorail become operational next year. Would they integrate the two systems, or would we have to stick to 2 different ticketing systems????

the current go mumbai card is supposed to be integrated with the metro and monorail as well. at least thats what was in the papers this week

The construction of pillar near WEH flyover/station. The work is on full swing over the past few days. Not a clear angle though

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/281/21052010030.jpg

I would love to see the cable-stay bridge design for WEH

the current go mumbai card is supposed to be integrated with the metro and monorail as well. at least thats what was in the papers this week

Is this Go Mumbai card also used in ALL BEST routes????

yes

Travelled to Andheri East, taken today on mobile (therefore image may not be of good quality) ongoing metro work at andheri east railway station.

Andheri East Skywalk and Metro station connector (under construction in the background)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4317/22052010313.jpg

Work on connector link between actual metro station and andheri railway station in full swing !! (under construction)

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1310/22052010314.jpg

Pillars of Metro station Andheri east. (people having hard time walking through the mess)

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8544/22052010316.jpg

Road dug up for underground utility near the pillars of Metro station Andheri east.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4334/22052010315.jpg

Work on the link between actual metro station (connector) and andheri railway station in full swing !

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3535/22052010318.jpg

Work on the link between actual metro station (connector) and andheri railway station.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4058/22052010319.jpg

Work on the link between actual metro station (connector) and andheri railway station. (notice the andheri east police station on the left, completely marginalized !)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9232/22052010320.jpg

Dug up road, traffic and pillars of Metro station Andheri east.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4795/22052010321.jpg

Nice pictures ! Thanks for posting.

good pics..got visual treat,,nice update

not all your pics are visible. i only see two of them

not all your pics are visible. i only see two of them

I can see all of them. No idea what the issue might be for you.

BTW, I have one question. How long is the connector link between the Metro station and the suburban station ?

the current go mumbai card is supposed to be integrated with the metro and monorail as well. at least thats what was in the papers this week

MMRDA plans automated fare collection system for monorail (http://www.hindustantimes.com/MMRDA-plans-automated-fare-collection-system-for-monorail/Article1-546869.aspx)

I hope they stick to a smart card/magnetic strip card system (like in NY or DC) rather than a token system (like in Boston). The latter is a little too inconvenient and cumbersome.:)

wrong thread bro

thanks. i can see all the pics now.

wrong thread bro

I thought of posting it here since the AFC is also meant for metro, not only for BEST and monorail. It just happens that the title of the article title mentions only monorail, but this is gonna be used for the metro too.

I would love to see the cable-stay bridge design for WEH

B4 that I wud like to see the designs for the bridge over ADH station....the media is contending that there is a back and forth between MMRDA/MM1 and the railway board/IR. I think the final designs have not yet been finished as yet.....and if thats the status, then we can forget MM1 in 2010 atleast.....

Even if the design were ready the metro wouldnt be ready by this yr end.They still have to rehabilitate the vendors on the west side and that is a huge headache.

I thought of posting it here since the AFC is also meant for metro, not only for BEST and monorail. It just happens that the title of the article title mentions only monorail, but this is gonna be used for the metro too.

ah, okay :)

Awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Even if the design were ready the metro wouldnt be ready by this yr end.They still have to rehabilitate the vendors on the west side and that is a huge headache.

I dont think so. If you mean the shops on JP road, they are going to remain there and the the road will remain narrow. They have closed it long back. If you are talking of the vendors between SV Road and railway tracks, it is not very difficult. These vendors put up their shops along the barricades as was the case in the eastern side. The only problem (apart from IR), afaik, is a mosque between the railway tracks and SV Road. It might have been solved as of now.

Soil testing going on in JVPD link road for Line 2.

I dont think so. If you mean the shops on JP road, they are going to remain there and the the road will remain narrow. They have closed it long back. If you are talking of the vendors between SV Road and railway tracks, it is not very difficult. These vendors put up their shops along the barricades as was the case in the eastern side. The only problem (apart from IR), afaik, is a mosque between the railway tracks and SV Road. It might have been solved as of now.

I doubt the blokes who run shops on JP Rd. will have any patrons once the line is ready....as is, the road was mess before construction started, and now it is even more so.

I dont think so. If you mean the shops on JP road, they are going to remain there and the the road will remain narrow. They have closed it long back.

JP road was supposed to be widened to 120ft (according to development plan) but due to pressure from shop keepers its width was reduced to 90ft. The shop keepers wanted new premises in the existing municipal market after its is redeveloped by the BMC. As the redevelopment is not on the priority list of the BMC the project affected cannot be accommodated there as of now. (they were offered other alternative sites by MMRDA which the refused and instead approached politicians during the elections to maintain the status quo)

But the administration cannot keep JP road closed to traffic forever and has to find alternative site for the PAP fast. As JP road is one of the main arterial road of Andheri West and an important road linking many areas in the interior of the suburb to the station, the status quo situation cannot be continued for long and if continued there is bound be reaction for public and commuters (which the administration will not be able to control) fed up with daily traffic jams, pollution and long hours of commuting.

The mess of JP Road!!!!
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Due to adamant attitude of the shopkeepers, who refuse to budge from their place and inaction on part of MMRDA.

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This is what is left of the concrete road after digging for underground utilities!!

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The mess of JP Road continued.
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Human beings sandwiched between pillars and shops.

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No space to walk!!
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Horrible!! Never visited this place after the road was closed. This is going to repeat in all those narrow stretches in Line 2 - National college,skywalk shoes showroom, JVPD depot, parts of Goregaon Link Road in Linking road / Link road and station areas.

^^:ohno: yuck !!!. Its gonna be even worse during the rains.I have seen people buying vegetables and what not from people who sell there stuff here ....(with garbage all around)..

The people in that area and shopkeepers deserve it by the way...

^^ is that really Mumbai....!!!!

no barricading , no maintenance nothing...don't the local municipal body charge Reliance with some kind of fine for this showing..?????

Reliance should be held responsible and they should be the one to clear all this mess....

Sumant is right , what will happen to this place in monsoon ...god knows..!!!

You mean the people within that part of JP road? People in other areas of Andheri W are suffering because of that. MMRDA officals should be asked to commute between Andheri E and Andheri W everyday. The pollution, fuel wastage, mental stress and loss of time/productivity are some of the social costs these guys have to take into account, while coming up with project costs.

The mess of JP Road!!!!
Caution!!! Some of the images may be an eye sore.

Due to adamant attitude of the shopkeepers, who refuse to budge from their place and inaction on part of MMRDA.

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This is what is left of the concrete road after digging for underground utilities!!

And I thought Andheri E was quite posh!!! (just kiddin'). I used to walk down this same stretch every day for 2 yrs to attend Bhavan's. At that time, atleast the concrete surfacing was intact. All that is a big mess now!!!

India dreams, I meant the people within that area. Even small shops you see along the roadside are encroachments. These (shopkeepers) don think twice abt the public when they encroach on the footpath and extend their shops ,but when it inconveniences them they start crying .And how dumb can people get purchasing stuff from people/person(hawkers) who cause inconvenience to you in the first place.Its the same scene on all station roads.I seriously dont have any sympathy for these f*cktards.

The mess of JP Road!!!!
Caution!!! Some of the images may be an eye sore.

Due to adamant attitude of the shopkeepers, who refuse to budge from their place and inaction on part of MMRDA.

@fuwad: Are these pictures of the status as of today???? I am guessing these are pictures of pylons being erected for the metro line itself, or is it some sorta overhang access to ADH stn. proper??? Work seems to have been completely stopped at this spot!!!

^^I have taken these on saturday 22nd May. This piling work or the pillars may form the base for the east - west metro bridge (passing over the railway line). The piling and other allied works were completed just last week.

^^

It should be current status. Work on those stretches started very recently (though they closed the road arnd Oct 2009). All those claims of Reliance finishing the work in Dec 2010, is just PR work.

^^These are recent pics I think and the construction is for the metro. the work has stopped I think because the shops along those areas need to be rehabilitated (i.e. their demand)and MMRDA has been sleeping all this while .Greedy F*cks.

This piling work or the pillars may form the base for the east - west metro bridge (passing over the railway line).

Ah, the bridge which ain't going nowhere!!! I would really like to give an earful to the Railway Board for wasting so much time!!! Ofcourse, MMRDA and MM1 officials are not above contempt in this matter.

^^:ohno: yuck !!!. Its gonna be even worse during the rains.I have seen people buying vegetables and what not from people who sell there stuff here ....(with garbage all around)..

So technically, anything thats dug becomes a garbage dump, eh?

And the pillar are so close to the shops. This is unbelievable.

^^ yup....Most of the filth and plastic waste dump is created by these hawkers/bhajjiwallas.Its the case with all station roads.But there are exceptions with Goreagaon(e) and Parle(e).Goregoan(e) station road side is almost hawker free and Parle(e) market near station is the only market to be plastic free and clean .
Anyways back to the topic ,The shopkeepers will be rehabilitated whenever mmrda wakes up from its sleep.

Un-f**king-believable.

How could they construct pillar in such a narrow street !! I thought constructing metro on a similar road in Bangalore was miracle but this one is even more miraculous. At least this portion could be made underground.

^^ I think once the pillars are up, they will start rehabilitating people. There is noway they could put viaducts in the existing street condition.

^^ They'll probably need to airlift the viaducts LOL

The organisation/arrangements is a shabbles.

these photos should be sent to newspapers. show everyone what shit planning is done by the mmrda and lack of cooperation from these bloody hawkers.

The people in that area and shopkeepers deserve it by the way...

Cant agree more. building infra is not only govt responsibility but also ours. we as people have to face the consequences of development, we need to move out of our place to make room for infra, we need to face increased traffic mess etc. there is no easy way.
if we dont do our part and start ruining the structures which are not even complete then we have no one else to blame. and we deserve the consequences.

also mumbai establishment needs to show some back bone and come down hard on these people. there should be standards about proximity of any govt infra structure with the private business. if you cannot find the way then go underground. personally i only care about the historic structures. every thing else can go.

no wonder the cost is increasing many fold. i was expecting something better from private consortium like reliance. they need to pay for it.

Thanks fuwad for the pics. please keep us updated.
this is the first major project whose pics dont make me happy and proud.

there is gross negligence of safety standards. cars are parked, people are moving around just few feets away from the construction site. i remember on the second day of its construction a crane fell and killed two people.

May be mumbai needs to have a board at its entrance saying "No vacancy" and populate half the population elsewere.

^^ I think once the pillars are up, they will start rehabilitating people. There is noway they could put viaducts in the existing street condition.

if that was the plan then they would have done it before the work started.
ye mumbai hai meri jaan.

if that was the plan then they would have done it before the work started.


In any sane society that would have been the ideal way to deal with the issue but we are talking about India. In India we have "environmentalists", bureaucrats, so called "experts", corrupt politicians and the list goes on. What Reliance is doing is not giving those people any option...either move out or live in hell.

these photos should be sent to newspapers. show everyone what shit planning is done by the mmrda and lack of cooperation from these bloody hawkers.

It was already in the news last month. Here is the post. Sad thing is no action has been taken since then.

A clipping from DNA Mumbai : Tuesday April 6.

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Thanks fuwad for the pics. please keep us updated.
this is the first major project whose pics dont make me happy and proud.

there is gross negligence of safety standards. cars are parked, people are moving around just few feets away from the construction site. i remember on the second day of its construction a crane fell and killed two people.

May be mumbai needs to have a board at its entrance saying "No vacancy" and populate half the population elsewere.

Yeh Mumbai hai. Yaha aisa hi chalta hai...

I don't understand how they can build so close to the residential buildings!

Its easy to understand. Just use a tape measure to measure the distance between the station and the buildings. You will find out its very close. Its not that difficult, is it?

Its easy to understand. Just use a tape measure to measure the distance between the station and the buildings. You will find out its very close. Its not that difficult, is it?


Ha Ha


If I lived there, I'd really be pissed that they are building so close to homes....

Its easy to understand. Just use a tape measure to measure the distance between the station and the buildings. You will find out its very close. Its not that difficult, is it?

tape measure??
i think you will need a microscope the measure the distance between station and surrounding buildings.:wallbash:

^^ yeah exactly the residents over there can actually bang there heads with the metro station walls just like you did hehe....

din't residents of this place objected to this??? they don't even have good breathing space ..!!!

They could have gone for the underground metro station..!!!

god forbids if there is an emergency at the station. i wonder how the rescue machine and workers will reach over there.
i am guessing there would be no parking either.
i read somewhere in news that despite the forcast of heavy footfalls on some stations, the access to those main stations is very narrow and in crowded places.
just like bwsl which is fast while u are on it, once u get off it, you land in another shyte.

i am afraid that it will become another mumbai local train.

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man if i was living in one of those buildings i would sue the ass off the government. no way would i allow that project to come up without a proper fight

^^ Its a security risk as well. imagine a "bad guy" living in one of those apts. he will have all the time, place, security to do its business.

man if i was living in one of those buildings i would sue the ass off the government. no way would i allow that project to come up without a proper fight

Hehehehe...yeah..that's what my question was...!!!

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These seem to be pretty orderly n following proper security/safety norms!! Kudos to MMRDA, atleast here. I guess the mess at JP is really due to the negligence of whoever is responsible for the maint of roads in Mumbai - which is BMC, not MMRDA - the latters mandate is restricted to development and construction and planning - not maint.

^^ Its only that area where there is such a mess.mostly the hawkers,people and shopkeepers are unco-operative.Because even if they barricade the area around the pillars The hawkers put up their stalls around this barricades .That is how stupid and idiotic these people are.The BMC couldnt care less .It wasnt involved in the planning process anyways.
On the other hand I am happy the area after seven bungalows wasnt included in this stupid project.That area is too nice to be ruined .

Do we know specific details abt the braking systems in the metro coaches from Nanking CSR?? Would be gr8 to know abt the techie details.....

god forbids if there is an emergency at the station. i wonder how the rescue machine and workers will reach over there.
i am guessing there would be no parking either.
i read somewhere in news that despite the forcast of heavy footfalls on some stations, the access to those main stations is very narrow and in crowded places.
just like bwsl which is fast while u are on it, once u get off it, you land in another shyte.

i am afraid that it will become another mumbai local train.

As far as BWSL is concerned, I think once WHASL is done, it will take a huge load off the western seaboard between Worli and Heera Panna....Ofcourse, it will still be shytes beyond that.....for that to be ameliorated, will have to wait for the extension till NPt.

As far as the MM1 line is concerned, does anyone know if the Fire Dept has cleared the structures? While the Fire Dept is not obligated to, and usually does not comment on the safety aspect of u/c structures, a final clearance is needed from them (for them to plan for emergency ops) once the thing is ready and ops r to begin. If the fire dept objects, then expect another long protracted fight!!!

man if i was living in one of those buildings i would sue the ass off the government. no way would i allow that project to come up without a proper fight

thats the only main reason projects get delayed...:lol:

As far as the MM1 line is concerned, does anyone know if the Fire Dept has cleared the structures? While the Fire Dept is not obligated to, and usually does not comment on the safety aspect of u/c structures, a final clearance is needed from them (for them to plan for emergency ops) once the thing is ready and ops r to begin. If the fire dept objects, then expect another long protracted fight!!!
I will be happy if this get delayed.This is the most haphazardly stupidly planned projects mumbai has got in its history of stupid infra projects.

Yup, most of the forumers now understand the need of underground metro. I am seeing this everyday.

Sumant, It is not great in other places too. See the WEH Station wher the road is pretty wide for Bombay standards. The employees of Yes bank can directly get into their office (1st floor) from Metro station. How will Metro ensure safety (I mean from terror attacks), if the buildings are so close. Also, it is very difficult to build stations in narrow and arterial roads like JP road.

Metro line 2 is no different. Being a vital North-south road, it will affect more people than the present E-W metro on JP road.

How could they construct pillar in such a narrow street !! I thought constructing metro on a similar road in Bangalore was miracle but this one is even more miraculous. At least this portion could be made underground.

The difference between Bangalore and Mumbai is the density and height of the buildings. It is easy to find out a free plot / public space in Bangalore to build stations as compared to Mumbai. The average height of buildings in Andheri E, which is next to the airport is about 5 floors.

MMRDA could have easily funded the underground project with loan from JBIC or other multilateral development agencies (like Delhi Metro), given the neccesity and revenue potential of these metro lines.

thats the only main reason projects get delayed...:lol:

the main reason seems to be that monkeys seem to do the planning. no wonder people file PILs, who wouldnt

i hope the PIL against line 2 succeeds. worth it if the GoM finally realises bombay needs an u/g metro

man if i was living in one of those buildings i would sue the ass off the government. no way would i allow that project to come up without a proper fight

Line 1 did not have much objections since most of the people did not know what is in store for them. Moreover, the wealthy and influential people live off JP road (Lokhandwala, Yari road, Juhu Versova link road etc).

To my knowledge, the shops on JP road is likely to remain there. There is no rehabilation planned for them . Both MMRDA and shop owners agreed that they will build the Metro closing the road and open it once done . Novel way, isnt it?

Now that Line 1 cant be undone, I hope that the second line be underground in the whole of westen suburbs till Malad. I personally cant see the beautiful link road in JVPD area (lined with trees), falling prey to an ugly ill-planned metro.

I will be happy if this get delayed.This is the most haphazardly stupidly planned projects mumbai has got in its history of stupid infra projects.

whoever will file the PIL will ofcourse become Villain # 1 in SSCI!!!:lol::lol::nuts:

MMRDA could have easily funded the underground project with loan from JBIC or other multilateral development agencies (like Delhi Metro), given the neccesity and revenue potential of these metro lines.

I doubt that will ever happen, even if some of the head honchos in MMRDA and MahaGov wish for it. The type of public tongue lashing that the WB regularly gives to these laggards is enough to dissuade even the most hardened investors/bankers/lenders from bothering to lend any more money to them. After all, the JBIC can expect payback only if the project is actually completed....which never seems to happen on time, sometimes for decades!!! Moreover, I think JBIC is already spread thin on its India-specific commitments due to the huge outlay on DMIC (which is also not going anywhere any time soon), so I am not sure if the Gov of Japan would be interested. Moreover, JBIC's conditions are so stringent that the GoI is actively looking at Singapore/Temasek to chip in in place of some of the commitments that JBIC was to make....that way, the pressure on DMIC as to implementation timelines/schedules issues can be reduced.

Does it even remotely appear to u that these fucktards in MMRDA/MM1 are capable of delivering under JBIC's stringent delivery guidelines, when they cant even meet the much more lax WB/IBRD guidelines??

Perhaps one way to handle any funding gaps is thru raising of municipal debt, but the credit rating of India being what it is at this time (last week we were given BBB- med-long term, meaning, we are a teeny-weeny-itsy-bitsy bit above being rated as junk, which begins with BB ratings; even with Moody's, we are essentially junk), I doubt a bond issue will be seen as anything but fit for being used as toilet paper.....so that option too is out the door!!! Moreover, once u open the door to junk debt, assholes (essentially like me!!!) will waste no time in hedging against it using a CDS issue.....n we all know what havoc that can create!!!

^^

The delays in all those projects is because of rehabilation of Project affected people. I assume that it is not the case if the metro is underground (may be very minimal).

Chennai got JBIC funding very recently (I think with GoTN guarantee). For Bombay, GoI has to give guarantee just like Delhi. The credit rating of GoM is very poor!!!

^^

The delays in all those projects is because of rehabilation of Project affected people. I assume that it is not the case if the metro is underground (may be very minimal).

Will see when work on line 3 begins....am not too optimistic even that will progress on time.....because I dont think rehab is actually delaying the metro as much as plain old laggardness is.....but will see!!!

Chennai got JBIC funding very recently (I think with GoTN guarantee).

Which project??? Is it for the metro??? I am not sure railway guarantees can be given by the state - see below.

For Bombay, GoI has to give guarantee just like Delhi. The credit rating of GoM is very poor!!!

Even with the crappy rating, since railways (of all forms, including LRT and MRTS) are still under the Union List of the Seventh Schedule of the Indian Constitution, the guarantor has to be GoI. Only if GoI explicitly abdicates can MahaGov or any other state gov give the guarantee (for projects in that state).

The general laggardness applies to all urban bodies of India. Portions of JVLR and SCLR without PAP issues were completed without much delays.

Yup. Chennai metro got JBIC funding. The total cost is about Rs.14,600 crores. You may check Chennai metro thread for details.

You may be right on the guarantee part.

the metro in bombay is not under railways, its been formed under the tramways act, which is a state subject

this was done specifically to keep out indian railways and also to get standard gauge

One point to note is that it was Delhi Metro Rail Corp(DMRC) who suggested the routes including the alignment. MMRDA just went along with it, changing some routes in the process. For eg. Charkop-Colaba and Bandra-Mankhurd became Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd and Bandra-Colaba.

If you look at the DMRC masterplan, they suggested underground sections only from Colaba to Mahim (then curtailed to Mahalakshmi) and BKC to airport and another section, I think Prabhadevi to Sewri...

If the DMRC actually surveyed these roads and realized what we would be getting into...then part of the blame should be allocated to them as well....

^^ You have to take a lot of factors in consideration and most of the time the path you choose is not the best one but only one feasible.
When deciding the routes they have to consider finances most. ideally everything should be underground, but if reality in terms of funds have its way then everything would be elevated.
Plus the type of soil is a concern too, there are many more factors like that.

sadly there will be barely any open place where metro will go . it has to go in to the heart of the crowd, as its main business is with crowd itself. it cannot be planned away from busy markets and crowds , othewise it will loose its utility.
so best thing you can do is to give more powers to MMRDA and remove politics from infrastructure building. any leader who comes up with rehabilitation plan of dharavi or metro routes will be unpopular in one day. all parties will have to unite for the betterment of mumbai. Only mumbai can fix itself, center can barely do anything.

back in the days when ugly three wheel huge metal junk tempo was banned from jaipur city limits it brought discomfort to few people in short term but was a blessing for the whole city in long run. at the same time indore city govt tired to ban tempos, come down on autos who mixed kerosine with petrol but failed. and till date people suffer in indore. not only that in indore city govt cannot even remove illegal encroachments. political leaders in indore have no back bone to sustain public backlash.

MMRDA needs to work with the problem, not around it.

One point to note is that it was Delhi Metro Rail Corp(DMRC) who suggested the routes including the alignment. MMRDA just went along with it, changing some routes in the process. For eg. Charkop-Colaba and Bandra-Mankhurd became Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd and Bandra-Colaba.

If you look at the DMRC masterplan, they suggested underground sections only from Colaba to Mahim (then curtailed to Mahalakshmi) and BKC to airport and another section, I think Prabhadevi to Sewri...

If the DMRC actually surveyed these roads and realized what we would be getting into...then part of the blame should be allocated to them as well....

As much as it sounds unlikely that DMRC under the stewardship of Sreedharan would act like arm-chair consultants, and not actually do a on-the-ground-reality-check, it looks like things were put in place during the planning stage in a tearing hurry.

^^Shreedharan had dissociated himself with mumbai metro project but that is because mumbai metro went for ppp. But he is on the panel planning the navi mumbai metro with cidco .And the people who are in mmrda are also in the cidco panel as well.

If the DMRC actually surveyed these roads and realized what we would be getting into...then part of the blame should be allocated to them as well....

What if the DMRC suggested these routes only IF the due process of resettling PAPs was followed ?

I am not sure if somebody has previously posted this video but i think its so great to see the rakes ready :banana:

From you tube

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What if the DMRC suggested these routes only IF the due process of resettling PAPs was followed ?

I believe DMRC would have suggested the route only after rehabilation of PAP.

But even otherwise, they went wrong , as they simply extrapolated their Delhi experience. The roads, as such, are wide with 2+2 carriageway with a parking lane on the either side. But they didnt account that the buildings are too close to the road (they are still legal) and atleast 4 storeys tall, which is not the case in other cities. Moreover, Bombay does not have alternate roads in many cases. If the western end of JP road is closed, Yari road area will become an island and have to dive into sea to get to other parts.

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What if the DMRC suggested these routes only IF the due process of resettling PAPs was followed ?

LOL!!! Then it would be safe to assume that MM1 would have gone the SCLR way!!! I am sure MM1's stake holders would have put pressure on MMRDA and possibly DMRC to speed things up, for fear of financial consequences.

LOL!!! Then it would be safe to assume that MM1 would have gone the SCLR way!!! I am sure MM1's stake holders would have put pressure on MMRDA and possibly DMRC to speed things up, for fear of financial consequences.

MM1's stakeholders would have come into the picture only once the line was awarded-which should be well after DMRC's consulting. My intention is to not 'defend' the DMRC at all costs, just that we should'nt rush to burn them at the stake for 'bad planning'. This could be a case of bad execution alone.

Both MM1 and the incompetentsia in MMRDA have perfected the art of passing the buck with the idiocracy ruling the Railway Board....If this is how its going right now, God knows what will happen when Lines 2 and 3 happen....and these 2 bunch of blockheads are supposed to be working closely on several other projects too.....God save them!!!

Ofcourse I tend to favor the MM1 since they are private players for whom time is money - they stand to lose the most if the project is delayed. Moreover, having personally interacted with the Railway Board on a few occasions, I know what a bunch of loonies the rail bureaucracy was, is and shall continue to be!!!

MMRDA, WR derailing each other (http://www.afternoondc.in/city-news/mmrda-wr-derailing-each-other/article_2649)

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) and the Western Railway (WR) are at loggerheads over the construction of Metro Rail, with both continuing to blame each other for the delays that have hit the much-hyped Versova- Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor. This tussle is going to affect the many projects jointly being undertaken by these two organisations in the city, and is definitely going to inconvenience the public.

Following recent reports in the media about the delay in the Metro Rail Project due to WR’s refusal to grant permission, the General Manager of WR, R. N. Verma, in a clearly worded letter to the Metropolitan Commissioner of MMRDA, Ratnakar Gaikwad has expressed deep concerns about recent comments made about the delay by the MMRDA.

In the letter, a copy of which is with the ADC, the GM has expressed doubts over the delay in the project for which the WR administration is being held responsible. The letter states that the General Arrangement Design (GAD) has been cleared by Railway on September 9, 2009 and the technical design part of the piers and the foundation is still lying with the Mumbai Metro One Pvt. Ltd (MMOPL).

The GAD submitted by the MMOPL consists of a basic plan of the construction that needs to be undertaken over the railway property. “The Railway administration has given approval to the GAD in September last year itself. But we also need to have a look at the designing aspect because the construction will take place over a railway premises. Our trains will be running below the Metro structure so we have to be 100 per cent convinced of the structure. And for the same we have requested the designs which the MMRDA and MMOPL have failed to furnish,” clarified Chief Spokesperson of WR, Shyamsunder Gupta when contacted.

However, a senior official from MMOPL who is closely associated with the project, said on condition of anonymity, “These allegations are baseless because the designs have been submitted to the railways over a period of time.” The source said that these designs are apart from the GAD that has been submitted to the railways.

MMOPL is a Joint Venture Company formed by Reliance Energy Limited, Veolia Transport, France and Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) for the construction of the VAG Metro Corridor. Construction on the first corridor is already underway; however, there are reports in the media stating that the project is getting delayed because of WR’s refusal to give approval for construction over Andheri station. A 90-metre stretch which is required to pass through railway tracks at Andheri station is delaying the project, as alleged by the MMRDA.

When contacted the Chief Spokesperson of MMRDA, Dilip Kawathkar said, “MMOPL has sent the revised designs to the railway authorities and we hope that they give us approvals soon.”

Sources from the railways, who are close to the project, allege that MMOPL has not even forwarded the designs to STUP, the consultancy firm appointed to proof read the designs made by MMOPL. MMOPL has denied the allegations. No one from STUP consultancy was available for comment on this charge.

With the difference of opinions between the MMRDA and the WR growing like never before, several projects undertaken by the two bodies are likely to face stagnation such as the skywalks constructed by the MMRDA that require connectivity with the railways. To this the Chief Spokesperson of WR responded, “Skywalks are a different matter altogether. The developments of the metro rail project cannot be linked to the skywalks at all.”

whens this fuckin city ever gonna change?

When you order it to do so!

Make me CM then :)

whens this fuckin city ever gonna change?

When the CM is pushed aside and the Mayor can deal directly with Centre.

When the CM is pushed aside and the Mayor can deal directly with Centre.

Nah.....not happenning in the animal called Indian Democracy!!!....Never....:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Btw, here's some already known news, in new form!!!

Colaba-Bandra Metro: shops at underground stations not viable (http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/colababandra-metro-shops-at-underground-stations-not-viable/624780/)

They know VGF can be lowered by utilizing commercial space, but nah:ohno::ohno::ohno:....not happenning....Moreover, they only repeat platitudes abt the digging being very very expensive....but no one seems to be coming out clean as to WHY n HOW?????:bash::bash::bash:

^^

Another local in the making. I doubt if they would find space for elevated stations. Commercial exploitation will make it something like the present local stations.

And how come in DMRC model, the state has to shell out Rs.9000 crore, when the total cost is Rs.9000 crores.

bogus claims. the centre has said it will take half the cost if its the dmrc model

i have lost all hope for the bombay metro as long as its run by the monkeys in mmrda

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Centre-to-fund-underground-Colaba-Bandra-Metro-line/Article1-444790.aspx

“If the government decides to build the third line on its own, the Centre will give the requisite financial help,” Reddy said at the foundation stone laying ceremony of the second Metro line, where President Pratibha Patil was the chief guest.

“The government will pick up 50 per cent stake in the project apart from facilitating loans from the Japanese Bank and a Rs 1,000-crore subordinate debt.”

^^

And you just realized it today about MMRDA? I have lost hopes for a long time.

^^

And you just realized it today about MMRDA? I have lost hopes for a long time.

^^ +1

Metro design still divides agencies
Indianexpress.com
Swapnil Rawal Posted online: Tue Jun 01 2010, 00:43 hrs
Mumbai : Western Railway authorities have still not cleared the designs for a key section of the city’s first Metro corridor, leaving Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd certain it will miss its December deadline.
The two sides have been exchanging the “general agreement” drawing since October 2007. The designs have been changed entirely twice, to accommodate the Railway’s proposal for an elevated Churchgate-Virar railway line. On October 30, 2007, MMOPL submitted a proposal for a pre-stressed concrete bridge across the Andheri railway lines which was given “in-principle”’ approval by WR. On November 5, 2008, WR suggested the bridge height be reduced as it would hamper the 60-km elevated corridor. The bridge will be now of steel, built by specialists M/s BBJ, Kolkata, a PSU under the Ministry of Heavy Industries.

“The design of a concrete bridge has now been changed completely to a steel bridge, due to the Railway’s plan for an elevated corridor. Otherwise the bridge would have been ready by now. We’re still awaiting final go-ahead following which the work will start. Meanwhile, fabrication has already started at BBJ in Kolkata,” said K P Maheshwari, MMOPL director.

“We’ve been sending designs and doing the changes as per their observation and notings. On February 17, we sent structural design notes and drawings duly proof-checked and recommended for approval by consultant M/s STUP. Since March 22, WR has providing observations and queries on design notes and drawings and MMOPL is continuously submitting the response, duly recommended by M/s STUP against each set of observations and queries,” Maheshwari added.

WR has been maintaining that the MMOPL has not submitted the the final designs of the piers and girders.

“The WR wrote to the MMRDA in the first week of May, stating that the general arrangement drawing was cleared (by the WR) way back in October 2009. They have, however, not even submitted the designs of the girders and piers, which are to pass through the railway area, to their proof consultants. Also, since the structure will pass through the railway area, we need to examine it in detail and accordingly it will be cleared,” said Shyam Sunder Gupta, chief spokesperson for WR. Another cause of concern is that the railway has only allowed work in the two hours when services are not running.

“They have allowed work for two hours at night. We’ve asked them to extend it to three-and-a-half hours at least as one hour would be needed for setting up things, leaving only one hour for work. We’re trying to complete the work by December-end, but it now looks we would overshoot that by a couple of months,” Maheshwari said.

A third hurdle is that around 1.4 km right of way is yet to be handed over by the MMRDA.

Metro design still divides agencies
Indianexpress.com
The bridge will be now of steel, built by specialists M/s BBJ, Kolkata, a PSU under the Ministry of Heavy Industries.


Can anyone exactly point out the advantages/disadvantages of a steel bridge vis-a-vis a concrete one...

Its a pity the project is getting delayed due to a hypothetical elevated corridor that may never ever see the light of day.

Can anyone exactly point out the advantages/disadvantages of a steel bridge vis-a-vis a concrete one...

Its a pity the project is getting delayed due to a hypothetical elevated corridor that may never ever see the light of day.

I thought the elevated corridor had been declared unfeasible ?

Yup. It had. Dunno why this proposal is still an issue, or why MMOPL cant work during the day.

no work is possible during train running hours

not even on either side of the station???

it is allowed on non-railway land. the railways cant object to any work on land they dont own

not even on either side of the station???

On the east side of the station they are working on the andheri metro station.On the west side theycant carry out any work till they clear out all the encroachments and hawkers.Right now they are working on realigning the utilities.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/in-navi-mumbai-new-metro-route-to-bypass-industries/627548/


CIDCO will change the alignment of the Belapur-Kharghar-Taloje-Kalamboli Metro corridor in Navi Mumbai, following opposition by industrial units in the Kalamboli-Kamothe belt. CIDCO has written to the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC), the project consultant, about the possible change
The original 21-km route connects Belapur, Kharghar, Taloje, Kalamboli and finally the airport.

“It was passing through the private land of the industrial units. They want the Metro, but not through their plots. We have decided to change the route. We have written to the DMRC about the possible changes,” said B B Mehta, additional chief engineer (railway projects).

The new alignment will pass by the periphery of the industrial estate and increase the route’s length by a kilometre. CIDCO officials estimate the cost would increase by Rs 150 crore. “We want to avoid that. We are still trying to convince the industrial unit owners and working on a compromise,” said an official.

Early this month, CIDCO had invited suggestions and objections about the alignment. Surprisingly, none came from the industrial unit owners, officials said.

“We are hopeful the government will clear our Metro proposal as there are no objections from the public or the affected parties. We are diverting the route after opposition, so that opposition is being taken care of,” added the official.

You compromise once and everyone else will make you compromise.
why spend 150 cr extra when you dont have to.

Metro One clears a major hurdle (http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-one-clears-a-major-hurdle_1391266)

A major hurdle to the 11-km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) Metro One was removed on Wednesday. The 180-metre railway over bridge (RoB) connecting Andheri West and East finally got the nod of the Western Railway officials.

The two concept designs, submitted by officials of the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), were given the go-ahead by the railways. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), which holds a 26% stake in the special project vehicle (SPV) — MMOPL — formed between itself and the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium, also confirmed the development.

MMRDA chief Ratnakar Gaikwad said on Wednesday that with the designs okayed, work could now begin on the RoB, which is crucial to the VAG corridor. “The MMOPL has already begun work on both sides of the railway tracks. Now, with the final concept designs getting a clearance from the railways, work on the railway premises can also begin,” Gaikwad said.

MMOPL managing director KP Maheshwari said that both the concept designs were approved by the Western Railway. “We received the letter of clearance on Wednesday. We have started construction on both sides of the railway tracks. But the WR will have to clear underground utilities in its premises before we can actually start working inside,” he said.

The task is going to be tedious for the MMOPL engineers as the WR overhead wires run at a height of 7.5 metres. “We can work only between 1am and 4am daily. For those three hours, the railways will have to carry out power blocks. The pillar to be constructed right in the middle of railway tracks would require a lot of minute construction pattern. The total length of the steel bridge will be 183 metres —90 metres of it right over the tracks. It will take at least nine months to complete work,” Maheshwari had earlier told DNA.

so this the 1st official communication from metro1 that december is off the table. now the earliest is feb. that too could drag depending on when wr actually moves the utilities

^^ That's good news !

Finally.

Phew...a bad day at work...and I was in need of some good SSC news to cheer me up....

Here's some more...

Source : DNA

MMRDA given nod to dig during rains
Time-bound Metro, Monorail projects can't be halted: BMC
Pandurang Mhaske
Trust the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) to contradict itself. It wants every pothole and trench sealed before the rains hit the city. And it allows the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) to carry on with Metro and Monorail work during the monsoon months.
Initially, the BMC issued a circular, asking all agencies to stop all kinds of digging work by May 31. No more permission to dig up trenches on roads will be granted till September 30, the circular said. Exception was to be made for urgent repairs of water pipeline damages, telephone cable faults, etc. But now, the BMC has allowed the MMRDA to carry on with its Metro and Monorail work.
"The (Metro, Mono) projects are time-bound, and can not be stopped for the rains. So, the BMC has allowed work to continue during the rains," municipal commissioner Swadhin Kshatriya said.
The MMRDA had asked the BMC for special permission for its projects. Monorail work on RC Road, Chembur, and Metro (phase I) work at Saki Naka, Andheri (East), had deadlines to meet. So, the BMC granted special permission for the projects to continue.
"No other excavation work will be allowed on the city roads," Kshatriya said. "If any contractor is found digging up roads without special permission, he will be penalised."

im so happy right now... i think its time for some :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

TWO CONCEPT DESIGNS APPROVED
Rlys nod clears bridge hurdle for Metro project

Ashley DMello I TNN

Mumbai: The Mumbai Metro line got a boost with the railway authorities approving two concept plans for a rail bridge over the suburban railway lines near Andheri station,a project which had been stuck for over nine months.
According to MMRDA officials,chief minister Ashok Chavan had asked the railways to clear the bridge as the delay was threatening to affect the Metro project adversely.
Director of Mumbai Metro One,K P Maheshwari,said the railways had cleared two of their concept plans.We gave them two options,one a simple bridge plan done in concrete and another with concrete and steel.We will now have to submit the detailed plans,but that is not difficult and we hope to have the bridge up in eight months time, he said.
Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL) is the special purpose vehicle owned by Reliance Energy,the MMRDA and Veolia,a French multinational.It is building the Metro line from Versova to Ghatkopar.
Western Railway authorities and the MMRDA had been having a standoff for over nine months over the permission for the bridge.The complications arose as the railways wanted its own network on top of the regular line from Churchgate to Virar.When MMOPL submitted its designs,they were asked to change them,which took time.Railway authorities were also strict about the safety precautions to be taken while building the bridge.MMRDA officials,however,chaffed at the delay.
source : TOI

Andheri women bombard MLA with Metro woes
Bella Jaisinghani I TNN

Mumbai: Collateral damage resulting from the construction of the Andheri Metro caused the residents of JP Road to lose their patience during a visit by various authorities on Wednesday.Angry housewives broke ranks and surrounded MLA Ashok Jadhav and utility officials,drawing attention to blocked drainpipes,mounds of garbage and ailing adults and children.
Manodhairya apartment near Navrang Cinema has been suffering all three.Armed with files of correspondence addressed to the BMC,MMRDA and Metro One,women of the building waylaid the officials as they passed by.Our drainage system has been blocked by this construction work.Sewage water floods the compound and a garbage dump has surfaced at the entrance,compelling us to keep windows closed and confine children indoors, said Nirmala Rathod,a 55-year-old housewife.
Residents alleged that otherwise negligent civic officials had cleaned the compound and fumigated the area in anticipation of Wednesday mornings VIP visit.By 2 pm,however,sewage water had begun to flood the building once more.
Two members of the Barlota family are suffering from hepatitis-B,and their young daughter-in-law is actually thinking of moving out into a rented apartment because her children are confined to that environment.My two-yearold daughter Deepika is keen to learn to cycle and although I have bought her one,I cannot let her ride in the slippery,stinking compound, she says.We do not even open the windows because of mosquitoes.
Apartments and shops along the JP Road have intermittently faced similar problems.This is just the trailer.For the real picture,wait for the monsoon to arrive, predicts laundry owner Dhanwant Patil.
However,Metro One says it is doing its best.While I do not deny that some utilities have been damaged by the construction of the overhead railway,we have always rectified such faults within seven or eight days, says MMOPL director K P Maheshwari.However,the utilities are largely the responsibility of the BMC.People often take unauthorised connections underground and these criss-cross lines are not mapped out either.Any fault we come across is pointed out to the BMC immediately.
On Wednesday,MMRDA officials and representatives of K-West ward listened and took notes as MLA Ashok Jadhav ordered them to take corrective measures within a week.

source : TOI

TWO CONCEPT DESIGNS APPROVED
Rlys nod clears bridge hurdle for Metro project

Ashley DMello I TNN

Mumbai: The Mumbai Metro line got a boost with the railway authorities approving two concept plans for a rail bridge over the suburban railway lines near Andheri station,a project which had been stuck for over nine months.
According to MMRDA officials,chief minister Ashok Chavan had asked the railways to clear the bridge as the delay was threatening to affect the Metro project adversely.
Director of Mumbai Metro One,K P Maheshwari,said the railways had cleared two of their concept plans.We gave them two options,one a simple bridge plan done in concrete and another with concrete and steel.We will now have to submit the detailed plans,but that is not difficult and we hope to have the bridge up in eight months time, he said.
Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL) is the special purpose vehicle owned by Reliance Energy,the MMRDA and Veolia,a French multinational.It is building the Metro line from Versova to Ghatkopar.
Western Railway authorities and the MMRDA had been having a standoff for over nine months over the permission for the bridge.The complications arose as the railways wanted its own network on top of the regular line from Churchgate to Virar.When MMOPL submitted its designs,they were asked to change them,which took time.Railway authorities were also strict about the safety precautions to be taken while building the bridge.MMRDA officials,however,chaffed at the delay.
source : TOI

PHEW!!!!

But wonder why there r 2 concept designs??? will there b a fight now to decide which one is actually built????

You could take the metro to work next May

Though it will miss its December ’10 deadline, the Metro may be up and running next summer, as WR has approved the design for Andheri station stretch

Alka Shukla

Posted On Thursday, June 03, 2010 at 03:07:56 AM

The December 2010 deadline will be missed, but you may be able to zip from Versova to Ghatkopar on the Metro by May next year.



Western Railway (WR) have on Wednesday approved the design submitted to them by Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd. The design pertains to the 200-metre stretch of the metro rail that will cross over the tracks at Andheri station.

This portion has been a big hurdle for the completion of the project. There has been a lot of back and forth between both agencies over it for the past three years.

K P Maheshwari, director, Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd - a Reliance Infra led consortium - said, “We had submitted two options.

One was for a steel-cum-concrete structure and the other was for a steel structure. They have sent us an acceptance of both designs on Wednesday afternoon. We will send them a detailed report in the next 10 days.

We are positive that work on the stretch will start in two months. We will be able to complete the project by around March-April next year,” he said. The project proponents have opted for a steel bridge and fabrication work has already started.

http://cms.mumbaimirror.com/portalfiles/1/2/201006/Image/030610/04-01.jpg

The proposed plan for a Metro station

Since work on this stretch will have to start from scratch, officials say it will take around ten months to build. The railways have allowed the metro work to go on for two hours a night but MMOPL is negotiating for an hour extra.

S V R Srinivas, additional metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA, said, “We have gone back and forth with the railways, making changes in designs, incorporating their concerns. This portion was a major hurdle. The sanction is certainly a big boost for the project.”

Even then, commuters should keep their fingers crossed that all goes well. The railways say they will scrutinise the ‘detailed designs’ before the metro finally takes off. “They had submitted concept designs, which we had not asked for. They need to submit detailed designs through their approved consultants for our scrutiny to expedite the process,” said Shyam Sunder Gupta, Chief Public Relations Officer, WR.

The design has changed twice in the past three years. The proposal for a ‘pre-stressed concrete’ bridge was given an in-principle approval by WR in October 2007.

With the announcement of an elevated Churchgate to Virar corridor made by then Rail Minister Laloo Yadav the following year, WR asked for the height of the metro to be reduced to accommodate the elevated rail link above it.

MMOPL need to submit detailed designs through their consultants for our scrutiny in order to expedite the process
- Shyam Sunder Gupta, Chief PRO, WR

its not over yet. two designs have been approved. now mmopl will submit one for 'final clearance'

4 Bunglows


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BHavans college junction

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its not over yet. two designs have been approved. now mmopl will submit one for 'final clearance'

AFAIU, MMRDA-MM1 will decide for itself which one to go ahead with and present the final plans to WR for final approval before construction begins. I doubt WR will get to choose which design......aint that the case???

Nice pictures Mihir, Many thanks !

4 Bunglows


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Atleast the completed sections look reasonably cleaned up and convenient to use.....Hope the entire route becomes motorable once construction is finished.....altho ADH stn. (both sides) is a goddamn mess!!!

AFAIU, MMRDA-MM1 will decide for itself which one to go ahead with and present the final plans to WR for final approval before construction begins. I doubt WR will get to choose which design......aint that the case???

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/2/2010060320100603030756552e910a67b/You-could-take-the-metro-to-work-next-May.html

The railways say they will scrutinise the ‘detailed designs’ before the metro finally takes off. “They had submitted concept designs, which we had not asked for. They need to submit detailed designs through their approved consultants for our scrutiny to expedite the process,” said Shyam Sunder Gupta, Chief Public Relations Officer, WR.

:lol:

Atleast the completed sections look reasonably cleaned up and convenient to use.....Hope the entire route becomes motorable once construction is finished.....altho ADH stn. (both sides) is a goddamn mess!!!

Yup,the other sections were managed better even during the time of digging. But, they are completely messing up the stretch between Navrang cinema nad andheri station, as per the pics.

Apparently, they are charging MMRDA (and by extension, the city and the state) for use of land meant for tracks to build a pier for the bridge across ADH. If this land is meant for tracks (and hence, by defn., is public land), it cannot be commercially exploited by anyone, including the railways, which holds the land in the first place. So how come, they are making money out of it????

Railway spat with state agency hits the roof (http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/railway-spat-with-state-agency-hits-the-roof/629278/)

^^ So shameful!! I'm sure that WR is deliberately delaying MMRDA's work. These people need to be threatened into doing work!! If they keep delaying, they need to lose their jobs

the railways in mumbai want to maintain their monopoly.

they are also trying to hardball CIDCO for getting the navi mumbai metro lines.

^^ So shameful!! I'm sure that WR is deliberately delaying MMRDA's work. These people need to be threatened into doing work!! If they keep delaying, they need to lose their jobs

Lose jobs??? WTH r u talking man??!! This is the Railway Board....they r like a private fiefdom in their own right.....If there was even an iota of sense in these idiots, India wud have had 4G wireless way back in 2004/5 (and not have to wait for a cut throat auction in 2010)....I was witness to how they completely ran roughshod over proposals from several US companies who wanted to lease out (that includes paying rentals at market rates) the land belonging to IR running || to the rail tracks to run millions of miles of optical fiber to provide wireless internet connectivity to smaller towns across India.....they practically brainwashed Maran Jr. (then telecom minister) into believing that nobody wants WiMax/WirelessBB in India.....

Lose jobs??? WTH r u talking man??!! This is the Railway Board....they r like a private fiefdom in their own right.....If there was even an iota of sense in these idiots, India wud have had 4G wireless way back in 2004/5 (and not have to wait for a cut throat auction in 2010)....I was witness to how they completely ran roughshod over proposals from several US companies who wanted to lease out (that includes paying rentals at market rates) the land belonging to IR running || to the rail tracks to run millions of miles of optical fiber to provide wireless internet connectivity to smaller towns across India.....they practically brainwashed Maran Jr. (then telecom minister) into believing that nobody wants WiMax/WirelessBB in India.....


Exactly...if they are so bad, then they need to be replaced by other people who are more competent

Exactly...if they are so bad, then they need to be replaced by other people who are more competent

And pray how does that happen??? They all pass through the same gates....which begins with the UPSC!!! This reminds me of the event where I witnessed the sclerosis that the railway board suffers from. I was with a team of high-level techno-execs from a startup from Bellevue, WA (funded by a serial angel investor, who was also present) trying to sell the idea of using excess land with the IR for setting up a optical/microwave backbone (using pvt money) to provide WiMAX to smaller towns in the hinterland of the rail n/w (which, in India, meant practically a bulk of the landmass of the country). Mind u, BSNL had already obtained permits to do the same for its own purposes (and to provide backbone connectivity to MoDef/Defense services, which is why we are, only now, being teased with the "endless" possibilities of 3G, while the rest of the world is already jumping onto 4G!!!). However, the moment the dinosaurs at Rail Bhavan realized that a US company wanted access to the land at market rates (and I am assuming, with zero kickbacks), they balked at the idea.....So abt 2 days later, the India contact of the angel investor managed to drag in Maran Jr. along with some younger (about the avg age group of 45 yrs) members from Rail Bhavan and TelecomMin....mind u, all were of the Civil Service types.....babus all, but since they were younger, u cud b fooled into believing they wud b a lil more sensible. In fact my angel investor friend actually quipped "Yesterday we saw the old India, today we will see the new Inda" (quite enthusiastically). Lil did he realize that the younger lot was equally sclerotic and ossified like their dinosaur bosses....but then who cud blame them....they were all cut from the same cloth, trained by the same idiocracy that also runs N/S Blk, Raisina, PMO and pretty much everything else in Lutyens Delhi!!!

This was in July 04 (the demo and other events took place in Hotel Imperial, Janpath - the events also included us demo-ing WiMAX to APJ, when he was prez, right inside Rashtrapati Bhavan).

FYI, this investor went on to fund a Grameen-phone type initiative in Bangladesh, once he had enuf of India....later on, he went on to fund n run a rural telephony service in NZ. For all interested, follow Vern Fotheringham (of DC/PA).

I dont think even if the mumbai railways are made a separate entity,things will change much.

Metro boost for Wadala on cards (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Metro-boost-for-Wadala-on-cards/Article1-554160.aspx)

Metro boost for Wadala on cards (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Metro-boost-for-Wadala-on-cards/Article1-554160.aspx)

Talk about confused aatmas.

From the same article

“We are thinking of extending the Metro line up to Wadala. One of the nine corridors in the pipelines is the Ghatkopar-Mulund line which we can extend it up to Wadala,” said Metropolitan Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad.

The route, which will go through Wadala, is the Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar line.

I dont think even if the mumbai railways are made a separate entity,things will change much.

What happened to MVRC??? If MM1 can run as an independent entity (financially, operationally), so can MVRC......altho I suspect there will b a big fight abt letting out-of-stn long distance trains and cargo trains access to the limited number of lines within the city limits. And who will decide what the geo-limits of MVRC shall be!!! Phew....this has a blood bath written all over it....The rail board will never secede from its turf.....after all, Mumbai locals r its cash cow (enuf to subsidize half of all other passenger traffic in the entire country)....

I think mvrc was specially created to execute the mutp projects and they are equally worse.The mutp II has been delayed by two yrs. I think BEST was the only one to complete MUTP projects on time.

mvrc is a football between IR and the GoM. they dont have that much power

Talk about confused aatmas.

From the same article

“We are thinking of extending the Metro line up to Wadala. One of the nine corridors in the pipelines is the Ghatkopar-Mulund line which we can extend it up to Wadala,” said Metropolitan Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad.

The route, which will go through Wadala, is the Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar line.


I don't understand why MMRDA provides these updates sometimes...start talking about wadala now so that it can gradually drive real estate prices up...

Also from what I understand the proposed Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar metro line runs along BPT road where the eastern freeway is in progress. Also it will be very close to the harbour line upto wadala....

I don't understand why MMRDA provides these updates sometimes...start talking about wadala now so that it can gradually drive real estate prices up...

Also from what I understand the proposed Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar metro line runs along BPT road where the eastern freeway is in progress. Also it will be very close to the harbour line upto wadala....

May be this news item was planted by the builder lobby. Sometimes I think even projects like NMIA are being hyped by the builder lobby!!!

not builders, politicians. they own most of the land around NMIA

Metro One overcomes a major obstacle (http://www.steelguru.com/news/index/MTQ5NDI3/Metro_One_overcomes_a_major_obstacle.html)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Satellites-to-map-second-Metro-line-construction/Article1-555130.aspx


The Metro system will soon get state-of-the-art technological support for its construction.
Nine satellites orbiting the earth will be put in use for mapping the alignment of the second Metro line to be constructed, which is the 32-km Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd line.
These satellites will coordinate and map the entire stretch and will undertake the topography survey of the area through which the Metro will run.
The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) hopes to finish construction of this line by 2015.
The first Metro line to be constructed will be the 11.07 km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar line, which the MMRDA says will be constructed by the end of this year.
The MMRDA has given consent to Reliance Infra, which is building the second line, to rope in Fugro, a Netherland-based company, to implement Differential Global Positioning System (DGPS).
The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based global navigation satellite system that provides reliable location information.
This system will coordinate and map the entire 32-km stretch using the help of 9 satellites. It is for the first time that such a highly accurate technology is being used in the Metro rail construction across the country.
This system is expected to expedite construction of Line II of the proposed Metro corridor, because the DGPS will undertake the topography survey and help in mapping of the alignment along the corridor.
“This technology will be extremely beneficial as it is expected to speed up the construction of Line II of the Metro in very quick time,” Metropolitan Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said.
The DGPS will ensure the probability of the error is minimal, because it will have exceptional accuracy and ensure smooth completion of the project.

Metro One overcomes a major obstacle (http://www.steelguru.com/news/index/MTQ5NDI3/Metro_One_overcomes_a_major_obstacle.html)

great news, at least they approved :)

not builders, politicians. they own most of the land around NMIA

Wasnt this the same land that the other Ambani wanted for his MahaMumbai SEZ???? I think the Ambani plan originally was to split the SEZ and airports btw themselves n milk the city like a cash cow!!!

Part of MV road near Andheri station is closed for Metro construction. Hope they start the construction of bridge over railway tracks soon.

Part of MV road near Andheri station is closed for Metro construction. Hope they start the construction of bridge over railway tracks soon.

Great to know....while dec 2010 looks remote, atleast they plan to work through the monsoons...

BTW came across this article. Looks like deadline for phase 2 is 2013 (as opposed to 2015)

Differential GPS to aid Mumbai Metro phase II

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/Differential-GPS-to-aid-Mumbai-Metro-phase-II/articleshow/6039259.cms

MUMBAI: The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority, or MMRDA, has allowed the use of differential global positioning system, or DGPS, to speed up the completion of the second corridor of Mumbai Metro.

This is the first time that a high-precision technology is being used in a Metro project in India to expedite topography survey.

Estimated to cost Rs 8,250 crore, the contract to build 32-km-long Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd corridor has been awarded to a consortium led by Reliance Infrastructure, or RInfra, an Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group company.

Another RInfra-led consortium is building the Rs 2,356 crore, 11-km-long Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar corridor of Mumbai Metro.

For the first corridor, RInfra has teamed up with Veolia Transport of France MMRDA. The second corridor involves SNC Lavalin of Canada.

Now, the MMRDA has given its consent to RInfra to rope in Fugro, a Netherlands-based company, to use DGPS which will co-ordinate and map the entire 32-km stretch using the help of nine satellites. This system is expected to expedite the second corridor as DGPS will undertake the topography survey and originate signals which will help in most accurate mapping of the alignment along the corridor.

“This technology will be extremely beneficial as it is expected to speed up the construction of the Line II of the Metro,” said metropolitan commission Ratnakar Gaikwad. DGPS will also assist in saving a substantial amount of time and overcome obstacles in understanding the topography and the alignment.

DGPS will ensure the probability of the error is minimal as it will have exceptional accuracy and ensure smooth completion of the project.

The state government has set a deadline of 2013 for the second corridor. Mumbai Metro One Pvt, the consortium for the first line, has said that it will commission the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar track by the end of 2010, 15 months ahead of schedule.

Apparently, one year after the monorail project has been sanctioned (and 6 months after construction has begun), and 3 years after construction for the metro rail has begun, the CM needs to "understand" what is required for security for these systems, and what is the meaning of LRT!!!

CM on visit to US, Malaysia, Singapore (http://www.sakaaltimes.com/SakaalTimesBeta/20100611/5623455773373686038.htm)

Apparently, one year after the monorail project has been sanctioned (and 6 months after construction has begun), and 3 years after construction for the metro rail has begun, the CM needs to "understand" what is required for security for these systems, and what is the meaning of LRT!!!

CM on visit to US, Malaysia, Singapore (http://www.sakaaltimes.com/SakaalTimesBeta/20100611/5623455773373686038.htm)

to be fair he was not CM for the 3 years...

the point is the CM should sit back and concentrate on allocating money at the very top and leave the execution to the experts. He does not need to understand jack. When i buy a stock to reliance industries i look at their bottomline and not how they actually refine the oil.

The fact is in this project MMDRA has missivly fcuked up in their technical analysis of the situation. Though part of the blame maybe political as MMDRA is packed with political big wigs rather than technical one's like Mr Shreedharan on the DMRC

lrt = light rail transport as in trams or monorial i guess

LRT is a low capacity metro, usually at surface but may be elevated too. It has higher capacity than monorail. Trams have very low capacity, even lesser than modern BRTs.

LRT is a low capacity metro, usually at surface but may be elevated too. It has higher capacity than monorail. Trams have very low capacity, even lesser than modern BRTs.

The question ("what is the meaning of LRT") was rhetorical.....it was what the "intention" of the CM's visit really was!! Read the last para of the article:

In Singapore, Chavan would hold meeting with the airport officials and would also understand the concept the Light Rail Transit.

I mean, cmon.....he is the chief exec of the state which is already building a monorail and a metro. What is he to gain by making the trip. I wud rather that technical people make the trip, if they needed.

^^ vacation yaar.... on govt money

to be fair he was not CM for the 3 years...

the point is the CM should sit ... actually refine the oil.

The fact is in this project MMDRA has missivly fcuked up in their technical analysis of the situation. Though part of the blame maybe political as MMDRA is packed with political big wigs rather than technical one's like Mr Shreedharan on the DMRC

He has been CM for nearly 20 months.
For studying why does he not go tot Delhi Metro which is built on the Singapore Model.

Malaysia has already got the KL Monorail - That may be jsutified.

And USA? WTF? Which city SFO, LA or DC the US have different stds than rest of the world only to be similar to Liberia.
These 3 cities have an age old MRTS which I have been through and still wud rate DMRC the best compared to these. These cities have very little ridership.
In Houston it is a business district train alone.
NY may be different but is a bad example to be followed.

Who is this guy's technical support team or does he look upto Sonia Madam?
Why not a trip to Italy?:lol:

CM if really wanted to understand what LRT/Monorail etc mean could have visited this website.
he would have learnt a great deal without even shifting an inch from his seat.
but perhaps he needed a vacation. poor soul's been working day in night out

the point is he needs to learn jack. Just allocate the money the experts tell him to.

If my engineer tells me, I need Rs100 to build a bridge. My job is to allocate the money not go on a trip around the world to do a phd in bridge building.

He has been CM for nearly 20 months.
For studying why does he not go tot Delhi Metro which is built on the Singapore Model.

Malaysia has already got the KL Monorail - That may be jsutified.

And USA? WTF? Which city SFO, LA or DC the US have different stds than rest of the world only to be similar to Liberia.
These 3 cities have an age old MRTS which I have been through and still wud rate DMRC the best compared to these. These cities have very little ridership.
In Houston it is a business district train alone.
NY may be different but is a bad example to be followed.

Who is this guy's technical support team or does he look upto Sonia Madam?
Why not a trip to Italy?:lol:

Wonder why he doesnt visit the London tube.....that better n older than either NY or Boston, both of which are quite old (and also rundown in parts). What abt Paris??? Heck, if he visited Moscow, he would just come back n override all the MMRDA goons and force them to make the entire remaining sections of MM1 go u/g!!! :banana::banana:I do accept that there are quite a few research institutes in the US which provide consulting on public transportation world wide, and that could be one reason for the trip, but taking free rides on LA/DC/NY/CHI MRTS/LRT/metro systems is just an excuse for a tax-payed paid joyride.

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Black-box-for-city-s-Metro-trains/Article1-557359.aspx)
In a first of its kind initiative, all four coaches of every Metro train that will run in Mumbai will be fitted with a black box.

As in aircraft, the black box will be crash-proof and will record audio data within the compartments, which could prove critical for data analysis should there be an accident.

The Metro rakes in Delhi and Kolkata do not have this facility.

The coaches will also have closed circuit cameras for commuter surveillance, as well as an advanced passenger-driver communication system that will allow commuters to communicate with the driver in case of an emergency. “We want to provide world-class amenities to Mumbaiites and make their journey an enjoyable experience,” said Ratnakar Gaikwad, commissioner, MMRDA.

The coaches, ordered from Chinese firm, CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Ltd, will have audio-visual information system, electronic route map and wheelchair facilities.

The city’s first Metro line — the 11-km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route — will cost Rs 2,356 crore and is expected to be ready by February 2011.

Skywalk at Ghatkopar (W)

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Ghatkopar Metro Station u/c

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Metro Construction along the road from LBS to Ghatkopar Stn

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Thanks for the pics Sughosh!

A few questions:

1. Does the skywalk(in your pics) connect the proposed metro station to Ghatkopar station ? If not, did you see any connector being built ?

2. How complete did it look to you ? I know this question is subjective..Are viaducts in that area up ?

3. A future phase is supposed to connect Ghatkopar to Mulund through LBS marg. Is there enough space in that congested area to actually make that possible ?

Thanks again

Thanks for the pics Sughosh!

A few questions:

1. Does the skywalk(in your pics) connect the proposed metro station to Ghatkopar station ? If not, did you see any connector being built ?

2. How complete did it look to you ? I know this question is subjective..Are viaducts in that area up ?

3. A future phase is supposed to connect Ghatkopar to Mulund through LBS marg. Is there enough space in that congested area to actually make that possible ?

Thanks again

1. Not sure if there's any connector. But then I wasn't looking too closely at the skywalk section anyway.

2. As you can see in the pix, even the piers are hardly upm viaducts toh door ki baat hai. Also, the metro seems to cross LBS at Sarvodaya hospital and join the AGLR from behind it, over a new road that's still being built. So no Metro work is done on that section at all.

3. Metro through LBS? Hah. Even Monorail would be a stretch. It's possible only if you convince EVERYONE (and this includes Messrs. Lodha , Damji Shamji, Asian Paints et al) to push off somewhere else

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Black-box-for-city-s-Metro-trains/Article1-557359.aspx)
In a first of its kind initiative, all four coaches of every Metro train that will run in Mumbai will be fitted with a black box.

As in aircraft, the black box will be crash-proof and will record audio data within the compartments, which could prove critical for data analysis should there be an accident.



Good feature to have :)


The coaches will also have closed circuit cameras for commuter surveillance, as well as an advanced passenger-driver communication system that will allow commuters to communicate with the driver in case of an emergency. “We want to provide world-class amenities to Mumbaiites and make their journey an enjoyable experience,” said Ratnakar Gaikwad, commissioner, MMRDA.

The coaches, ordered from Chinese firm, CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Ltd, will have audio-visual information system, electronic route map and wheelchair facilities.


thats awesome feature to have :) :cheers:
now its make me change my mind n think that Chinese stuff good not scrap....but let c hows the quality...:)



The city’s first Metro line — the 11-km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route — will cost Rs 2,356 crore and is expected to be ready by February 2011.

thats not good news...:(

Here are some photos I took from my old mobicam sorry for the poor quality.

This is largest pier of Mumbai metro up near the WEH. 22 m high. will go above the andheri flyover-->
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WEH station. at present they have made diversions to allow construction of ticketing platform on other side of road, too.

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tallest pier of mumbai metro.

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Completed viaduct at JB nagar

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Last readymade beam to be put on the pier at JB nagar.

thanks for the update.

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The city’s first Metro line — the 11-km Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route — will cost Rs 2,356 crore and is expected to be ready by February 2011.

Suddenly Feb 2011. But going by the current status, even this is stretched. I think they will put the blame on IR in the last minute. I am not supporting IR by any means. Mid 2011 seems to be more realistic.

Suddenly Feb 2011. But going by the current status, even this is stretched. I think they will put the blame on IR in the last minute. I am not supporting IR by any means. Mid 2011 seems to be more realistic.

They're just yanking our chain. Feb is impossible. They've already confirmed it will take 10 months to build the bridge they haven't even started yet. And it's not like that's the only work remaining. Also, if monsoons continue like the last couple of days, I wouldn't bet on much work happening till September.

My bet: late '11, maybe Oct or so.

Thanks for the pics, guys. It does look like a June' 2011 start unfortunately :(

They're just yanking our chain. Feb is impossible. They've already confirmed it will take 10 months to build the bridge they haven't even started yet. And it's not like that's the only work remaining. Also, if monsoons continue like the last couple of days, I wouldn't bet on much work happening till September.

My bet: late '11, maybe Oct or so.

I posted this in some other thread reposting it here again -
Now how many of you know that according to the original plan (Mumbai First prepared in 2004 the first line was supposed to get completed in early 2008 )But sadly the construction started only in 2008(I do not know what they were doing for 4 years as the plan was already). There was some opposition from Shopkeepers in Andheri west but still this period is too long. If they were that serious the contract should have been awarded in 2005 and construction atleast on the part should have started in late 2005.

Now When the construction started the new deadline was July 2010, then it was extended to Sep 2010 then Dec 2010 now Feb 2011 and it will be even more delayed.
Did you notice a pattern here if they just extend the deadline by few months there won't be much Fuzz but if they increase it by a year everyone will catch their neck. SO what they do is they do it in steps few months all the time . And The earliest we will travel in Metro is Diwali 2011:ohno: because the deadline will again be extended in Jan 2011.

^^ I am not much worried about delays in this line. Jan or May or Dec, it will be at least ready by 2011 end or latest by 2012. But what about other 8 lines of the masterplan. They are no where in sight. When will they start their construction and when will they be delivered.

Total plan for Mumbai is 146.5 km, which is not very big and can be done in 10 years. DMRC constructed 9 lines/extensions totaling 125 km simultaneously in phase-II in 4.5 years. In Beijing more than 200 km of metro is currently under construction, even after Olympics.

Though there are some limitations in Mumbai which will make it impossible to go with such speedy construction but they should have thought of building at least 50 km in every 5 years. Only then they will be able to complete the project in 15 years. At this pace, it will take them 50 years to complete the project and by then it will be grossly insufficient for the increased population of the city, just like today's suburban system.

thats awesome feature to have :) :cheers:
now its make me change my mind n think that Chinese stuff good not scrap....but let c hows the quality...:)

These features (audio-visual information system, electronic route map and wheelchair facilities) are regular features in new metro trains. Black box is a new feature and I haven't heard of it before in a normal metro train (though it is there in Airport express of Delhi metro). It would be even better if it had WiFi in trains. Bangalore (or I guess Hyderabad) metro was planning to have WiFi in trains.

The second line has still not finished financial closure. They are doing soil testing at all points along the stretch. From a recent article, BMC allowed them soil testing during the monsoon - 2 months to complete that.

Hopefully by then they would have finished financial closure. Construction is supposed to start in October after monsoon. But let's see how much ROW MMRDA gives them which in my opinion is the single biggest limiting factor.

Other lines - its a mystery. DPR's were supposed to be prepared. Contracts were awarded. I don't know when the tendering would start.

Some of the other phases are extensions (Charkop-Dahishar) and (Ghatkopar-Mulund). From what I understand they can give the option to Reliance to contruct it (if Reliance is game) without having to go through re-tendering since the clause allows a 20% extension.

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Black-box-for-city-s-Metro-trains/Article1-557359.aspx)
In a first of its kind initiative, all four coaches of every Metro train that will run in Mumbai will be fitted with a black box.

As in aircraft, the black box will be crash-proof and will record audio data within the compartments, which could prove critical for data analysis should there be an accident.

The Metro rakes in Delhi and Kolkata do not have this facility.

The coaches will also have closed circuit cameras for commuter surveillance, as well as an advanced passenger-driver communication system that will allow commuters to communicate with the driver in case of an emergency. “We want to provide world-class amenities to Mumbaiites and make their journey an enjoyable experience,” said Ratnakar Gaikwad, commissioner, MMRDA.

I wonder what is to be gained by recording audio data from within compartments during a crash investigation??? unless, MahaGov wanna play Big Brother!!!

If the BB is to be used in the traditional way, I think it will essentially be telemetry and not audio (the data will be culled out of the BB only in the case of an investigation into a mishap, but usually never in real-time). Video surveillance will ofcourse be a totally separate system, not related to the black box....CCTVs will be online and real-time.....

The coaches, ordered from Chinese firm, CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Ltd, will have audio-visual information system, electronic route map and wheelchair facilities.

Any idea whats being planned for the AVIS??? I know BEST KingLongs have TVs and radios.....I wonder how they will manage reception in the u/g sections (if and when they are built), if they are planning a traditional AVIS (live TV feed?!....plz note: India currently does not have a comprehensive terrestrial digital video broadcasting infrastructure as yet - MTNL had introduced DVB-H sometime back, but only in NCR, and it was super-duper flop - currently all terrestrial broadcasting is analog carrier only; all DVB in India is through satellites, which would be useless in the u/g sections). The electronic route map would be interesting indeed.....hell, we already have automated station approach announcements on the newer local rakes, so this should be a nice upgrade!!!

Total plan for Mumbai is 146.5 km, which is not very big and can be done in 10 years. DMRC constructed 9 lines/extensions totaling 125 km simultaneously in phase-II in 4.5 years. In Beijing more than 200 km of metro is currently under construction, even after Olympics.

I would say CWG2010 is pressuring of them to complete, they have some target to complete other wise its kind of national shame....:(


These features (audio-visual information system, electronic route map and wheelchair facilities) are regular features in new metro trains. Black box is a new feature and I haven't heard of it before in a normal metro train (though it is there in Airport express of Delhi metro). It would be even better if it had WiFi in trains. Bangalore (or I guess Hyderabad) metro was planning to have WiFi in trains.

does these all including dmrc havin CCTV inside coaches? i have been delhi metro numerous times but i never saw...coz its really helps also criminal has some fear before doing it.....eg. like some BEST buses have cctv helped to nab.... culprits/criminal.. I have seen lots of times on national media...:)

Total plan for Mumbai is 146.5 km, which is not very big and can be done in 10 years. DMRC constructed 9 lines/extensions totaling 125 km simultaneously in phase-II in 4.5 years. In Beijing more than 200 km of metro is currently under construction, even after Olympics.


completely agree. DMRC has done a wonderful job. Infact by now in Mumbai the 1st line should have been nearing completion and 2-3 lines/extensions should also have been under construction with completion date as 2012.

I fail to understand why does it take so many years to built a elevated line. After all its just a flyover with a rail track.
If there is construction simultaneously along multiple stretches of a line keeping in Mind the Traffic jams etc and more no of workers working simultaneously (if required in shifts) and construction material readily why should the construction a flyover take more than 8-10 months. Now add some more months for Building stations, adding tracks and signals etc, A entire line can be completed in about 14-15 months if there is a will.
Only thing impeding this may be the Funds. I am not so sure if there is Money ? If I am not wrong, it took time to get Viability Gap for the first line form the centre. But lets not go that way. Mumbai should still have done much better. DMRC no doubt have done a great job here.

Of course in Mumbai you will have resettlement issues but then the plan was there in 2004, and by now in 6 years they could have talked to the people affected across all the lines and atleast have the resettlement plan ready by now, if not they were actually resettled. But they will wait for the construction to start then talk with the affected people there by delaying construction.

I would like to add 1 point here. I have never heard of a Metro system with Multiple tracks for the train going in same direction any where in the world. I am not sure if the VAG line will be able to handle load especially after its extended till Mulund (and there is ample scope to extend it from Mulund to Thane as well). You can add coaches, increase the freq to 2 mins but then there is a limit and can be reached very soon considering the High density of population in Mumbai. There is no option to add more tracks due to space constraint. Does anybody know if the 2 level Metro is actually possible? That way we will have 2 tracks going 1 way. And if it was possible then the Pillars should have been desined to take the additional load. Only Point of contention would have been Andheri railway station. But then we may not require 2 level metro Beyond Andheri station considering most People will be travelling till Seepz/Andheri-East so Beyond Andheri the current line would be sufficient.

^^
The new lines of barcelona metro are 2 level, but one track on each level. So not so smart actually