WEH station and the completed pillar from andheri flyover southbound
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WEH is not a hindrance as it will be a cable stayed one and griders will be launched to lift the segments, passing throught railway tracks at andheri is challenge

WEH is not a problem . But MM1 is yet to get the ROW for the stretch between Andheri station and Telli galli (some 100 m) in Andheri E. They wont get it till they finish other portions between Andheri station and WEH, I believe. God bless those who recommended an elevated metro here!

Metro line route to be changed

Revamped Plan May Turn Wadala Into A Transport Hub

Ashley DMello I TNN 14-09-2010

Mumbai: The Metro line planned from Hutatma Chowk to Ghatkopar will be changed to touch Wadala and will connect Ghatkopar,Mulund,Teen Hath Naka (Thane),Kasarvadavali (Ghorbunder Road) and Mira-Bhayandar.

Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA ) commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said that the changes will enable Wadala to become a important transport hub in the city.It will be connected via the Metro,monorail and the Eastern Freeway to the rest of the city.

Gaikwad said that Wadala would also be home to Iconic Towers and an inter-state bus terminal.Gaikwad added that out of the nine lines laid out in the masterplan (which was prepared by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation),it would be making major changes to three.

Connecting Mumbai airport via the Metro is still being discussed.Consultants are concerned about the viability factor as most flights take off at night.All these issues are being discussed as detailed project reports for some of the nine Metro lines in the city are coming up for finalisation, said Gaikwad.

As the Metro rail lines are being built on a public private partnership (PPP) basis,they have to be made viable.According to consultants,more commuters will use the Metro if there is a change to include Teen Hath Naka (Thane) and Kasarvadavali (Ghorbunder Road) along with Mira-Bhayandar.

The MMRDA is already discussing the issue of putting up Metro lines on the two city highways along with special dedicated bus lanes for more rapid transport.

Gaikwad fended off criticism that the two city highways would be overcrowded,saying that different segments of people have different transport needs.We will not be competing with one another on the routes, he said.

According to Gaikwad,adopting the PPP model for the project has proved to be a wise move as the Metro will be seen running in the city in a few months.He was referring to plans of having a demonstration.

http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=7&pagesize=&edid=&edlabel=TOIM&mydateHid=14-09-2010&pubname=&edname=&publabel=TOI

Another report on same issue.

Change in metro lines to cut through highways

Published: Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010,
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai.

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority(MMRDA) — the agency carrying out the master plan for all the nine corridors of metro in Mumbai — has decided to make some alterations in the alignments of the metro lines. As per the changes, two lines may now pass through the highways.

Metropolitan commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said that the need for this was felt keeping in mind the kind of ridership (number of potential passengers travelling on the lines) that these lines will attract.

“One of the nine alignments between Mulund and Ghatkopar was under consideration for the change,” he said. As per the master plan prepared by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC), this line was to follow the alignment of Lal Bahadur Shastri (LBS) Road.

“However, we have asked the consultants to find out whether the alignment can be started from Teen Haat Naka in Thane. The alignment will then follow the Eastern Express Highway (EEH) instead of LBS Road. This is more rational since the distance between EEH and local railway stations is more than that of LBS Road,” said Gaikwad.

“Similarly, the line from Dahisar (East) to Andheri (East) can also be extended up to Bandra so that the Colaba-Bandra line is directly connected. This line is also likely to pass through the Western Express Highway (WEH).”

These alignment changes will be finalised after the consultants submit their report.

Both alignments need major changes, thanks to viability and ridership issues. “Since all the metro lines are on the public-private-partnership (PPP) basis, the key to their success is directly related to the potential passenger count. No bidder will come forward if the ridership numbers are low. Hence, the change was felt necessary,” he said.

He added that there are plans of taking an arm out of the Dahisar-Andheri line-up to the airport, which will be an underground extension.

“Similarly, we are also contemplating extending this alignment to Bandra — which will mean this will be a complete Dahisar to Colaba route,” he said.

The Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar line has been given lowest preference. “We already have a metro station at Hutatma Chowk in the Colaba-Bandra route. The Ghatkopar-Hutatma Chowk metro line may be reconsidered and we will have a line starting from Teen Haat Naka which can go up to Wadala on EEH and later will connect to the P D’Mello Road up to Karnak Bandar. This will ensure that Wadala becomes a hub of metro as well as monorail,” added Gaikwad.

When asked about the possibility of congesting the highways during construction, Gaikwad claimed that only a part of the 14-lane highway will be barricaded and the construction will not hamper the flow of vehicular

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_change-in-metro-lines-to-cut-through-highways_1437544

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WEH station and the completed pillar from andheri flyover southbound
WEH is not a hindrance as it will be a cable stayed one and griders will be launched to lift the segments, passing throught railway tracks at andheri is challenge

Wow those are real cool snaps. The metro trains on that stretch seems gonna run at dizzying heights; I can see it at almost 6th or 7th floor of adjancent buildings, is it? :nuts:

I am sure that Mumbai Metro / MMRDA has stringent plans not to allow any train to get stranded at that height or if it gets, in worst case, I hope they are drawing up elaborate plans to rescue the people ... Someone has already said on the thread ... really wonder who planned an elevated metro in this stretch ...

^^ the higher the better ! we do not want metro to ever stop however much it rains unlike the locals which stops at least 2-3 times every monsoon

^^ are they gone crazy? they already planned monorail Thane GB Road...

its obviously never gonna get environmental clearance. Its basically an excuse to do a DPR and pocket a shitload of money.

Another report on same issue.

Change in metro lines to cut through highways
“One of the nine alignments between Mulund and Ghatkopar was under consideration for the change,” he said. As per the master plan prepared by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC), this line was to follow the alignment of Lal Bahadur Shastri (LBS) Road.

“However, we have asked the consultants to find out whether the alignment can be started from Teen Haat Naka in Thane. The alignment will then follow the Eastern Express Highway (EEH) instead of LBS Road.

As per my limited experience more people will use metro if its along LBS marg (which is congested due to lot of cars. I think the population density between ghatkopar and mulund on EEH is low due to marshy land. SO LBS route should have higher ridership ?

Link road and metro built across the hill near alsapha village in ghatkopar
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Thanks to Coolguyz and Fuwad for the regular visual updates. A picture speaks a thousand words.

By hindrance I meant an hinderance to starting commercial operations of the metro and not movement of road traffic underneath. I for one feel that the part over the WE highway will be one of the last completed sections. Also don't see any major progress across the hill near Asalpha. I was there last year around August and a lot of the pillars were already up at that time.

Now that monsoons are nearly over hope the construction speeds increase and we see some real progress.

Link road and metro built across the hill near alsapha village in ghatkopar


Nice updates !! Still a long way to go....

Thanks for the updates guys.

What is that nonsense about most flights flying in the night ? Morons !

As per my limited experience more people will use metro if its along LBS marg (which is congested due to lot of cars. I think the population density between ghatkopar and mulund on EEH is low due to marshy land. SO LBS route should have higher ridership ?

I agree completely, Even the distance would be less, But i hope it starts from teen hath naka, as i am from thane!

MMRDA hopeful of more central funds for Mumbai metro

Published: Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010,
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

Considering the high cost of the underground sections of the metro lines being planned for the city, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is making an all-out effort to get sanction for higher viability gap funding (VGF) from the Centre.

If the efforts are successful, Mumbai’s metro master plan may get substantial financial boost for speedy implementation. MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad is optimistic about getting the sanction.

“Out of the metro’s total 146 km, 32.5 km is underground. Though in patches, the underground sections are going to cost a massive Rs600 crore per km. This obviously means high project costs and even higher VGF,” he said. “But the silver lining is that the Centre is positive in its response to our demands. It has assured us that it will look into providing higher VGF to Mumbai’s metro plans.”

As per the rules, the Centre gives financial aid only to projects which have a viability gap of less than 40%. In case of both metro-I and II, the viability gap is approximately 30% (Rs650 crore in case of metro-I, where the project cost is Rs2,356 crore, and Rs1,532 crore in case of metro-II, where the project cost is Rs7,660 crore).

“But in the case of these underground patches, our viability gap is as high as 50% of the total project cost. We have made a strong case for the Centre to fund these gaps giving some relaxation to the 40% rule,” Gaikwad said.

“The Centre’s urban development department has shown positive signs for the proposal and the department of economic affairs, which is the ultimate authority on sanctioning the VGF, may relax the norms eventually.”

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_mmrda-hopeful-of-more-central-funds-for-mumbai-metro_1438080

State to tweak DC rules to pave way for shops along metro line

Ravikiran.Deshmukh @timesgroup.com
Mumbai Mirror 15-09-2010.

The government is all geared to make commercial use of the 27 stations along the proposed Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd metro line.Recently,the government even issued a notice inviting suggestions and objections from the public in this regard.

The state wants to have Section 68A included in the Development Control (DC) rules of the city to pave for commercial exploitation of the elevated metro stations.Currently,there is no provision in the existing DC rules to for commercial use of metro stations.

The stations up for commercial use are located on the elevated corridor passing through Goregaon Linking Road,Kamalakarpant Walawalkar Road,DP Road (New Link Road),Guru Nanak Das (Linking Road),Vaikunthlal Mehta Road,Swami Vivekanand Road,Juhu Road,Vithal Bhai Patel Road,Bandra Kurla Complex Road,S G Barve Marg and Sion-Panvel Road.

Sources said that the move is a fallout of the suggestions made by the Empowered Committee of Ministry of Finance for projects undertaken through Public Private Partnership (PPP).This will not only facilitate integration of land use with Metro stations but also reduce Viability Gap Funding (VGF) for the project, the union ministry has said.

As per the principal approval given by the union government for the VGF,the UPA government will allocate Rs 1,532 crore and the state share will be of Rs 766 crore,for the project estimated to cost Rs 8,250 crore,awarded to Reliance Infrastructure Ltd.

The state is looking at the commercial exploitation of the link to generate maximum funds,said a government official.All the stations,of the 32-km metro line that is expected to be operational by 2014,will be located at elevated level,supported by columns on the road and the footpath as well.

FOR A SMOOTHER RIDE

The amendment in the DC Rules will pave way for commercial usage in the concourse level and one level with certain conditions that says: Parking space for commercial use will be provided within 100 m

Cooking will not be allowed Maximum 100 sq m built-up area will be permitted at concourse level Maximum 4,000 sq m commercial use will be permitted one level above the platform

http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=4&pagesize=&edid=&edlabel=MMIR&mydateHid=15-09-2010&pubname=&edname=&publabel=MM

Another report on same issue.

Change in metro lines to cut through highways

Published: Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010,
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai.

...

“However, we have asked the consultants to find out whether the alignment can be started from Teen Haat Naka in Thane. The alignment will then follow the Eastern Express Highway (EEH) instead of LBS Road. This is more rational since the distance between EEH and local railway stations is more than that of LBS Road,” said Gaikwad.


so what happens when this metro line reaches suman nagar? already the sclr is a double (triple?) decker. the mankhurd-charkop metro. then we have the crazy s bridge that is currently stuck. then the rail line for the refinery and finally the ramp for the trucks from the truck terminal to eeh north.

good times


The Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar line has been given lowest preference. “We already have a metro station at Hutatma Chowk in the Colaba-Bandra route. The Ghatkopar-Hutatma Chowk metro line may be reconsidered and we will have a line starting from Teen Haat Naka which can go up to Wadala on EEH and later will connect to the P D’Mello Road up to Karnak Bandar. This will ensure that Wadala becomes a hub of metro as well as monorail,” added Gaikwad.

...


they are chickening out. carnac bandar is the northern limit of the a ward and the heritage precinct. they will have to go underground here. best has a huge bus depot to transport the huddled masses from vt to nariman pt / colaba. what is the dispersal regimen for the metro peeps

good times all around indeed.

its ok. none of this is ever going to happen anyways

Altered Metro routes will reduce project costs

The city’s Metro project, which is meant to provide a much-needed relief to Mumbai’s harried commuters, is giving officials of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) sleepless nights. Alarmed by the fact that no private entities would be willing to invest in such a capital-intensive project, the MMRDA has now decided to alter some of the originally proposed Metro routes and even drop some routes to make the project economically viable.First on radar is the 3.5 km route between Sewri and Prabhadevi, costing Rs 2,187 crore, which the authority plans to drop.

This underground route was supposed to be the costliest Metro line with each kilometer costing Rs 624 crore as compared to Rs 210 crore per kilometer for elevated lines.

The MMRDA is also changing the alignment of two Metro routes. The Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar-Mulund line will now become Carmac Bundar-Wadala-Ghatkopar-Mulund-Thane line and there are plans to extend the Andheri (East)-Dahisar (East) line up to the airport.

“We have already asked our consultants to work out the various options through which the routes can be altered,” said Metropolitan Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad.

The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) had in 2000 suggested nine routes for Mumbai’s Metro lines, with the total length of routes being 146.5 km, of which 32.5 km is to be underground.

However, with passage of time, as MMRDA started implementing the plan, the authority realised that the project was highly capital intensive and they could face problems luring private enterprises to take up the project on a public-private partnership (PPP) basis.

Even though the Centre has assured to provide viability gap funding (VGF) of 40 per cent of the project cost, MMRDA officials claim that the VGF component required for underground lines is more than 40 per cent.

VGF is the amount provided by the government to a private company, which is constructing public infrastructure, to make the project commercially viable.

MMRDA officials have even met the urban development secretary in New Delhi, asking the government to raise the 40 per cent VGF limit.

“Changes in the alignment are necessary as apart from making the project financially viable, we will also have to see that maximum passengers benefit from the project,” added Gaikwad.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Altered-Metro-routes-will-reduce-project-costs/Article1-600313.aspx

^^

MMRDA...a bunch of sorry bastards.....eyeing more money in DPR's...how many times are they going to change the alignment ?

It doesn't take a genius to know that a metro on LBS will be far more useful than one on EEH (where they can provide for bus lanes later if needed)....

Also the current VAG corridor ends at Ghatkopar station. How the heck to they plan to connect it to the Thane-Carnac Bandar line if and ever that happens....

Never...ever will i get excited about any announcement by these sorry fools

The EEH is on marshy land, there are mangroves and salt pans, I guess the foundation costs will be much greater than that for LBS.

^^ yes cost will be issue to built on EEH, due to mangroves and salt pans, but it nice idea to built around EEH instead of LBS which is so crowdy and almost no space to built compare to EEH

i dont see how building on the EEH makes sense though. its better to have stations closer to the using population rather than making them take another trip from their homes/offices to the stations. LBS would be a better option for that

Metro should have given relief if they had to come along train lines as central and western line is overcrowded. there many bridge which are pending around country as railways don't give permission faster. for example jogeshwari vikhroli link road the road over rail bridge pending from past 5 years. same goes to Ahmadabad city and thane city. still blame game is on that they don't give permission or we don't work on Sundays or as per our engineers bridge stability is not proper or etc. then costing rising continues. There is no traffic in south mumbai, traffic more is suburb side. infrastructure projects getting delayed will lead to chaos. check the mumbaimetro1 company they use to update there website constantly. but past one year they have stop doing everything.

Metro should have given relief if they had to come along train lines as central and western line is overcrowded. there many bridge which are pending around country as railways don't give permission faster. for example jogeshwari vikhroli link road the road over rail bridge pending from past 5 years. same goes to Ahmadabad city and thane city. still blame game is on that they don't give permission or we don't work on Sundays or as per our engineers bridge stability is not proper or etc. then costing rising continues. There is no traffic in south mumbai, traffic more is suburb side. infrastructure projects getting delayed will lead to chaos. check the mumbaimetro1 company they use to update there website constantly. but past one year they have stop doing everything.

Its pending for 10 years! that work started even before the link road work started! As far as i kno, Railways had approved the design, the beams were cast and were ready for erection. That is when railways said that there is flaw in design and it has to redone and i have seen with my own eyes the beams being broken at site.

Posting fort he first time here. I am a big fan of the metro construction but not such a big fan of MMRDA being at the helm of affairs. And I agree with the ridiculous redrawing of the alignments to suit the "viability" requirement. Any mass transit system will automatically become viable once it becomes operational and results in a gradual shift of populace along the alignment. I think the worry is that they do not want the trouble of land acquisition or think about safety. I am not an expert but i have no clue why they decided to build a metro station right at the nodal curb of JB Nagar and the Gurudwara Junction. It is going to result in total chaos.

BTW check out my pictures of the mumbai metro at different points @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tusharking/sets/72157623760159238/

I think they are planning the metro on eastern express highway because they know that one day all the marsh land adjacent to it will be reclaimed for residential purpose and builders / politicians can make a killing marketing these properties with the added attraction of being near to the metro.

Source (http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/mmrda-wants-metro-builders-to-take-up-extension-too/682219/)
Mumbai The MMRDA is negotiating with the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium, which is constructing the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd Metro route, to take up an extension from Charkop to Dahisar too.
Two Metro rail corridors are now under construction. The MMRDA had earlier planned that only after the completion of three would the 7.5-km Charkop-Dahisar corridor be taken up, but now it wants to save time. If the consortium agrees to the proposal, the MMRDA says, it would save around eight to ten months of tendering procedures.

“We are negotiating with RInfra on taking up the extension. There is a clause in the contract that allows the state to extend the scope of work up to 20 per cent. They can continue to work on the extension under the present conditions and without any additional viability gap fund (VGF),” said Ratnakar Gaikwad, metropolitan commissioner. If it works out, he said, the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd and Colaba-Bandra corridors, once completed, “would offer seamless transit from Colaba to Dahisar, complementing the parallel North-South suburban railway corridor.”

“MMRDA has asked if we would want to take up the

extension,” confirmed K P Maheshwari, senior executive vice-president of RInfra and director of Mumbai Metro Transport Pvt Ltd that is building the 32-km Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd corridor. He said talks are on.

The other corridor under construction by the consortium, Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar, is expected to be commissioned by June 2011.

The MMRDA is exploring other options in case this one does not work out. “Though it is a win-win situation for both parties to opt for the extension, if it doesn’t materialise we can always extend the 18-km Andheri (East)-Dahisar (East) corridor to Charkop,” Gaikwad said.

To reduce cost, the MMRDA is reworking several of the corridors chalked out by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation. It is dropping the Sewri-Prabhadevi corridor, 3.5 km and underground, as it would cost Rs 2,187 crore.

Gaikwad said the Authority has asked its consultants to change the alignment of two routes?Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar-Mulund, which will now run from Carmac Bundar to Thane via Wadala, Ghatkopar and Mulund, and the Andheri (East)-Dahisar (East), a line that is now being planned to extend up to the airport.

I think they are planning the metro on eastern express highway because they know that one day all the marsh land adjacent to it will be reclaimed for residential purpose and builders / politicians can make a killing marketing these properties with the added attraction of being near to the metro.

That might be. I think though its another case of the MMRDA going first after low-hanging fruit. Build the easiest and most convenient things first without regard to the utility. Same logic that built those magnificent skywalks for 600+ crores.

I think they are planning the metro on eastern express highway because they know that one day all the marsh land adjacent to it will be reclaimed for residential purpose and builders / politicians can make a killing marketing these properties with the added attraction of being near to the metro.

That is incorrect assumption. There is no need to reclaim marsh lands. Leaving that aside, still there is lot of land where presently there are salt pans, farms, old factories / workshops and vast open spaces. It is beyond these that the marsh lands begin. Once huge complexes come up in these areas, the people will have to travel all the way to LBS to catch a metro. And Central Railway line and LBS being very close by, the difference in travel time and distance to Metro (on LBS) / CR for such people will be negligible.

In fact its most sensible town planning being done by MMRDA.

Metro protesters to march in 2 groups

ASHLEY D'MELLO, TNN, Sep 18, 2010


MUMBAI: Sunday's protest against an elevated Mumbai Metro running from Andheri to Bandra will see the protesters split into two groups. While the Juhu group of protesters will march from Juhu to Nanavati Hospital, Vile Parle, the Bandra group will march from Bandra to Juhu Garden.

Sources said that the Juhu protesters had released a list of organizations supporting them and the Linking Road Residents' Association was not on the list. However, both the Juhu and Bandra groups are united in opposing an elevated Metro line from Andheri to Bandra. They want this section of the Metro to be underground. The Andheri-Bandra section will be part of the Metro's second line, which will run from Charkop to Bandra to Mankhurd.

Various citizens' groups have been agitating for an underground Andheri-Bandra line and some differences may have emerged over the details. Afzal Siddiqui, who heads the Linking Road Residents' Association, said they will all be supporting the demand for an underground Metro. Sherly Singh, of the Juhu Residents' Association, sought to dispel talk that there were differences. "We all recognize the need to fight the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) on its plans to put an elevated Metro up.''

MMRDA authorities on Friday reiterated that there would be no underground route. MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said, "We have had discussions with the citizens' groups and have explained that, normally, an elevated rail costs Rs 200 crore per kilometre while an underground route costs

Rs 600 crore,'' he said. Singh said, "They are spending cash enough for an underground Metro but are giving us an outdated elevated Metro."


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Metro-protesters-to-march-in-2-groups/articleshow/6575906.cms

Maybe its time those protesters were made to pay an extra tax known as "hamari mangen puri karo" tax. Then their demand of u/g metro can be fulfilled after the required 5000 crore or so have been raised.

+1. And then see how many people come forward to pay this tax.

nice idea zenith_suv :)

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Thousands rally in suburbs against elevated Metro

Ashley DMello & Sukhada Tatke | TNN 20-09-2010

Mumbai: Thousands protesting against the elevated route of the Mumbai Metros second line marched in two separate groups at Juhu and at Bandra to press their demand for a underground route,for a section of the second line from Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd.

The protesters who called their march a peace rally are demanding an underground section from Andheri to Bandra,which will prevent a large number of residences and commercial establishments from being demolished.
The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA ) has plans for an elevated second Metro line,which they say is the right choice.According to MMRDA officials,an underground route is not financially viable and technically not feasible.

The Bandra protest started at Linking Road and went on to Juhu Garden.Slum-dwellers marched with Pali Hill residents to mark their protest.They were led by citizens groups including H West Ward Citizens Federation with Anandini Thakur at its helm and Linking Road Residents Association led by Aftab Siddique.

Ashish Shelar corporator from BJP,Bhai Jagtap MLC from Congress,Mohan Lokegaonkar,corporator from Sena and Rehbar Khan,independent councillor also lent their support.Shelar,who is also a member of the MMRDA board,said that a study by IIT academics has shown that the underground route is viable.

In Juhu,the rally numbered over 2,000 people including children who marched from Juhus Kaifi Azmi Park to Nanavati Hospital.From schoolchildren to college-goers,activists and citizens groups,people directly or indirectly affected by the Metro,came out to protest.Celebrities including,actors Sachin Khedekar and Pallavi Joshi,were present as well.

According to Ameet Satam,BJP youth cell leader,BJP leader Gopinath Munde will take up the issue in Parliament.Shirley Singh of Juhu Scheme Residents Association said,There are eight such proposed routes that will spell doom for the city.

Citizens have now decided keep mounting pressure on the government until it relents.We will form a core committee that will decide how to take this movement forward, said film-maker Ashoke Pandit of Gulmohar Area Societies Welfare Group.

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Source : TOI
http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=2&pagesize=&edid=&edlabel=TOIM&mydateHid=20-09-2010&pubname=&edname=&publabel=TOI

go citizens!!

boo mmrda

damn i was going to post this.

Mumbai routes should always have been underground.

Its just too god damn congested to have an elevated line. Spend some extra money and get the job done well.


A lot of upper middle class folk in Juhu have been affected. They are way more powerful than the slum dwellers in their PILs and what not.

This is going to turn ugly.

Which is why i suggested maybe they can start work from Mankhurd to Bandra.

It will atleast give east west connectivity and link well with the suburban railways at Bandra and Kurla.Serving the commercial centre at BKC.


As a solution to this, maybe they can ask the people to shell out money needed for the elevated line. I think its fair cause the assets of the people who own houses there will rise a lot once metro construction takes place.

these people cant play a double game of having it constructed underground and then reaping the benefits of heavy increase in asset values in the area.

Metro line to connect south Mumbai to Thane

If you live in Thane and work in south Mumbai, your daily commute is set to get easier. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is planning to alter the route of the Hutatma Chowk-Mulund Metro line to extend it to the busy Teen Haath Naka junction in Thane. This will provide


residents of Thane, who have been dependent on the railways to reach the city, a modern mode of
transport.
“We are working on changing the alignment because we feel that will help garner more travellers and make the route economically beneficial,” Metropolitan Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said.

The MMRDA, which is planning to build nine Metro corridors in Mumbai, was going to build a 12.4-km Mulund-Ghatkopar line for Rs 2,790 crore. This was to be extended by another 21.8-km to Hutatma Chowk at a cost of Rs 8,305 crore.

The MMRDA’s new plan involves extending the Metro line by 2km from Mulund to Teen Haath Naka in Thane.

The MMRDA is also contemplating taking the Metro only to Carnac Bunder on P D’Mello Road, instead of Hutatma Chowk, and connecting it to Wadala. “Our Colaba-Bandra line is already serving Hutatma Chowk so it makes sense to limit the earlier Hutatma Chowk-Ghatkopar line to Carnac Bunder,” Gaikwad added.

The MMRDA is carrying out a study on the Carnac Bunder-Wadala-Ghatkopar-Mulund-Teen Haath Naka alignment. The length of the proposed route will be approximately 40km.

Meanwhile MMRDA’s plan of extending the Metro till Thane will be greatly benefit the suburbs residence.

The MMRDA has already proposed hybrid transportation model including a Monorail and Metro line network for Thane.

The 40-km line will include a 30-km Monorail line from Kalyan to Bhiwandi and then to Kapurbawdi in Thane. Beyond this, the line will be converted into a 10-km Metro track, which will run to Thane station and then to Kasarwadavli on Ghodbunder Road.

The project will cost the MMRDA Rs 4,800 crore. The development body has further plans of extending this line to Mira-Bhayander.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Metro-line-to-connect-south-Mumbai-to-Thane/Article1-599876.aspx

Nice to see some protests by Middle class/upper class. Mostly u see poor people doing this( offcourse after payment by parties)

wht nice euromast? it will delay the project,, :( is that u in ur avatar? :lol:

btw good news that they extending metro till Thane :cheers:

Protest good, Delay not good.

yes they are Munna & Munni

Sorry if this is obvious - I haven't been following this thread - why are they building everything overhead in such congested localities? Cost ?

That's the stated reason. It's no more congested than areas on the Versova-Andheri-ghatkopar route IMO.

I think in either case Reliance should first construct the charkop-andheri and bandra- mankhurd arms.

wht nice euromast? it will delay the project,, :(

So, is Line 1 on time? MMRDA has to justify extremely high cost of underground portions before claming it unviable

Unfortunate to see that money is coming in way for making it UG.

Hopefully something comes out of this.

I actually had a question that I was hoping someone here could answer. If we do go underground, would'nt it be harder to construct stations on an extremely crowded road like Link road using the cut and cover method ? How did Delhi metro deal with underground stations on arterial roads ?

I actually had a question that I was hoping someone here could answer. If we do go underground, would'nt it be harder to construct stations on an extremely crowded road like Link road using the cut and cover method ? How did Delhi metro deal with underground stations on arterial roads ?

I do not think they will deploy cut and cover technique any more . They will be using the Tunnel boring machines boring machines . Life on the surface will not be affected at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_boring_machine

I do not think they will deploy cut and cover technique any more . They will be using the Tunnel boring machines boring machines . Life on the surface will not be affected at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_boring_machine

Not for the stations, I dont think. I'm specifically asking about the stations.

if need be, they should ask all protesters (including Munde and youth leaders) to contribute the vialibity gap for the underground fund... but no funds should not mean no metro...

Metro-I will hit the Mumbai tracks in August 2011

Published: Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010,
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

For the first time since the metro rail project took off, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has officially announced the commencement date of the 11-km-long Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) line. Joint metropolitan commissioner Ashwini Bhide has declared that the line will be thrown open by August 2011.

Explaining that almost all the hurdles in the construction of the corridor have been taken care of, Bhide said that the trials for the mass rapid transit system are likely to begin by March next year.

“The actual operations can be expected to commence sometime in August next year. I am sure there will not be any inordinate delays in the construction now,” said Bhide.

She further claimed that there are no impediments in the construction of the 180-metre-long bridge over Andheri railway station. “Though the construction of this bridge is one of the most complicated aspects of the project, and will take at least another eight months, we have already commenced the construction of two of the three piers of the bridge. All we need now is the permission for the third pier. However, in spite of the small bridge length, there are several complications. We may get only a day’s time to construct the final part,” added Bhide.

Construction of metro stations is also progressing well, claimed the official. She said that apart from the civil work, the rest of the schedule is on-time. “Stations such as Ghatkopar, Asalfa, Western Express Highway and Andheri are more or less on schedule and foundation work has been completed. One of the trains has already arrived and the second set of rolling stock is also on its way from China. We can begin the trails by March. We wish to dedicate the first phase to Mumbai by August next year,” Bhide said.

According to Bhide, 2011 will also see the first phase of monorail become operational. “We are planning to start testing the monorail trains by December. By March next year, the first phase between Chembur and Wadala can commence,” added Bhide.

Confirming that there are some issues in the curve beam construction, Bhide added that after some contemplation, the curve beam construction is also on track.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-i-will-hit-the-mumbai-tracks-in-august-2011_1440852

There you go. Another extension. Remember MMRDA was beating its chest that the Metro would be ready by end of 2010. I am suprised that its not an issue that they keep extending the dates every six months. Its like the doctor who pacifies a kid, "Bas ho gaya. Its over. Look its done. Thats it. Its over."

^^
Why are you so surprised ?...This was something everyone who has been seeing the construction pics in SSCi knew...

I actually had a question that I was hoping someone here could answer. If we do go underground, would'nt it be harder to construct stations on an extremely crowded road like Link road using the cut and cover method ? How did Delhi metro deal with underground stations on arterial roads ?

I think they built stations by cordoning off the central part of the road and using the widened service lanes for the traffic. Construction can also be done in stages. Cordoning off one part of the road and digging and then covering back this part and repeating the procedure with other part.

I do not think they will deploy cut and cover technique any more . They will be using the Tunnel boring machines boring machines . Life on the surface will not be affected at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_boring_machine

Stations are much more than a pair of cylindrical tubes. They have wide platforms, concourse level, entry and exit staircases, etc. TBMs cannot build stations.

^^ thanks Abhi :) .... It might be tough to do that on Link road. Let's see what happens. My feeling is that the court will quash any pleas and let the project proceed as is.

they may have to take over some buildings or empty plots for that

They are closing the roads even for elevated stations (WEH, Andheri etc), For Chakala, they have occupied both centre and the extreme ends of the roads, just leaving a small passageway in the middle on both sides (3 lane road becomes 1 lane here). They are still working on the middle portions of Azad nagar station in Andheri W. Wonder what would happen if the roads are closed in Andheri W for station construction.

They can do the same for underground stations, I believe.

I need to know one thing...

Is there any UG section present in the Phase 1 of the Mumbai Metro? Has they started building it?

I need to know one thing...

Is there any UG section present in the Phase 1 of the Mumbai Metro? Has they started building it?


Sorry for the typo in the earlier post.. Have they started it?

^^ Line 3 of Phase-I is half underground.

^^ Line 3 of Phase-I is half underground.

And it is still on the drawing board unfortunately. So far only line 1 is under construction ( versova- andheri- ghatkopar). Soil testing has been performed at various places on line 2 but construction is yet to get underway.

found this on youtube... got some nice pictures...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVTxaNaCKrQ

Mumbai Metro Updates - Four Bunglow Andheri West.

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DN Nagar Metro Depot Under Construction.

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DN Nagar Station Under Construction.

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Thanks Fuwad for the updates. Appreciate the effort man. Looking at the pictures though I don't think even august 2011 is feasible. Looks more like dec 2011 to me.

great updates fuwad :cheers:

Great man. Simply great updates.

Nice 2 c that M.M is using one piece segments between pillars..This will help faster completion n efficiency..cool..

Is it used throughout the whole network or just a few stretches ?? coz. read about such long segments being used only in Airport Express line of DMRC as a special option.

Activists to move Bombay high court over elevated metro

Published: Saturday, Sep 25, 2010,
By Priyanka Sharma | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The 32km metro train corridor between Charkop, Bandra, and Mankhurd, which was to have 12 elevated stations, continues to be criticised by activists. After two protest marches, citizen groups will now fight the battle in court.

“The overhead metro project is set to devastate the city. PILs will be filed by various activists to make the concerned authorities heed our demands,” said Shyama Kulkarni, trustee of NGO Agni.

A signature campaign would also be initiated by citizens, she added.

Citizens have been demanding that the metro route should be made underground, as activists claim the city’s infrastructure will not be able to support the overhead route. Civic activist Nikhil Desai said, “Roads in the city are just 90ft wide and a majority of the area is taken up by residential and commercial structures. How does the MMRDA plan to construct an elevated route?”

If constructed, the elevated stations would be at a marginal distance from adjoining buildings. A query under the RTI stated that the fire department had also spoken about the dangers of an elevated metro route, as the ensuing congestion would hamper the disaster control work.

A 60-page report compiled by IIT-Bombay also promotes the bankability of an underground metro, said architect Nitin Killawala. “The MMRDA claims that the elevated route would cost Rs200 crore per km and underground route Rs650 crore.

However, land acquisition costs have been overlooked,” added Desai. The IIT-Bombay report states that underground metro would cost Rs400 crore per km.

The architect revealed that the project has been unscrupulously sanctioned under the Indian Tramways act of 1886, while the Indian Metro rail and Maintenance Act 1978 is already in place.

“The Indian Tramways act allows authorities to initiate the project without prior permission,” saidKillawala.


http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_activists-to-move-bombay-high-court-over-elevated-metro_1443370

Activists to move Bombay high court over elevated metro

Published: Saturday, Sep 25, 2010,
By Priyanka Sharma | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The architect revealed that the project has been unscrupulously sanctioned under the Indian Tramways act of 1886, while the Indian Metro rail and Maintenance Act 1978 is already in place.

“The Indian Tramways act allows authorities to initiate the project without prior permission,” saidKillawala.


http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_activists-to-move-bombay-high-court-over-elevated-metro_1443370

Wow!!! Strong language. What this bozo doesnt get is that the Bombay Tramways Act does not apply only to Tramways, but to any form of mechanized public transport on rails in the city. The reason the MMRDA and the MahaGov have wisely kept the Metro Rail act out of the ambit is that under this Central Act, all control will have to be ceded to even bigger bozos sitting in Rail Bhavan, New Delhi, while in the case of the Tramways Act (a state level act), control effectively rests with local bodies. When given the choice between a bunch of idiots running the show from 5 kms away or 5000 kms away, I will choose the former......and anyways, something run by Indian Railways wont be a pretty sight in the long run, unless ofcourse, if we were to wish our metro lines to rot the Indian Railways way!!!

Mumbai Metro Updates - From Andheri West, JP Road - Link Road Junction To JP Road - Veera Desai Road Junction.

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Fuwad. You're the man (I'm assuming :)) !

Progress on this metro thing is pathetically slow.:ohno:
btw thanks for the updates fuwad.

^^

Really? I thought it was rising faster now by looking at the pictures and now that the monsoons are over.Well anyways, the expected date of completion will be 2012 December for this line.

hmm nice work goin on even mansoon over now, hope to see completing soon

Progress on this metro thing is pathetically slow.:ohno:
btw thanks for the updates fuwad.

actually thats good.....the last time some one tried to rush things in India, we had CWG 2010!!!!

Nice 2 c that M.M is using one piece segments between pillars..This will help faster completion n efficiency..cool..

Is it used throughout the whole network or just a few stretches ?? coz. read about such long segments being used only in Airport Express line of DMRC as a special option.

Throughout the line.

Some more pics of U/C Metro on JP Road Andheri West.
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I am not an expert on MRTS, but as a layman I think some of the stations of the metro are dangerously close to buildings. For example, Andheri Station, the WEH station. Also, at the WEH station, we have a LPG gas cylinder depot and a petrol pump right next to the metro station. Not sure if there are any rules regarding this. But from the looks of it, there is no scope for any accidents near the respective metro stations

Great pics from fuwad once again. Thanks.

Looking at the pics commercial operations in 2011 is a dream.

Fuwad, can u please post the pictures of Metro construction in JB Nagar junction and mahakali junction in Andheri - East? Please?

^^
Fuwad, can u please post the pictures of Metro construction in JB Nagar junction and mahakali junction in Andheri - East?

Some pics of Andheri East were posted a few days back - things are moving slow due to monsoon so don't expect much progress... here is a link to that page http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=451426&page=163

I am not an expert on MRTS, but as a layman I think some of the stations of the metro are dangerously close to buildings. For example, Andheri Station, the WEH station. Also, at the WEH station, we have a LPG gas cylinder depot and a petrol pump right next to the metro station. Not sure if there are any rules regarding this. But from the looks of it, there is no scope for any accidents near the respective metro stations

This was discussed before pratyun. You don't have to be an expert to know it's a huge mess and a less than ideal setup. My feeling though is they have made the best of what is an in incredibly hard situation. More land acquisition would have entialed greater costs and more lawsuits.

With the colaba - bandra stretch being planned underground... i wonder how they plan to handle the water logging during monsoons... not sure if there are any areas along the stretch prone to knee deep water pools...

With the colaba - bandra stretch being planned underground... i wonder how they plan to handle the water logging during monsoons... not sure if there are any areas along the stretch prone to knee deep water pools...

whole Mumbai has same problem. that why its nice see elevated than u/g. so even if another 2005 flooding happens at least metro and monorail will not stopped, as locals tends to stop working due to flooding.

:|

yes. there is no technology available anywhere in the world to prevent water getting into u/g stations. in fact u/g metro is only available in the middle of the desert

the only issue is $$$$$$$$$

:|

yes. there is no technology available anywhere in the world to prevent water getting into u/g stations. in fact u/g metro is only available in the middle of the desert

Still the master :)

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yes. there is no technology available anywhere in the world to prevent water getting into u/g stations. in fact u/g metro is only available in the middle of the desert

dude... Mumbai gets hell loads of rainfall, more than any other major city in this world... if u beg to differ??... n even cities like NY, Philly, whew... goddamn any other major city has planned drainage and rainwater dispersal systems... i am only about curious to know how these things wud be handled in Mumbai... m sure MMRDA or whoever is behind this has a plan but wat can it possibly be...

:|

yes. there is no technology available anywhere in the world to prevent water getting into u/g stations. in fact u/g metro is only available in the middle of the desert

heheh nice one,,,, :lol:

dude... Mumbai gets hell loads of rainfall, more than any other major city in this world... if u beg to differ??... n even cities like NY, Philly, whew... goddamn any other major city has planned drainage and rainwater dispersal systems... i am only about curious to know how these things wud be handled in Mumbai... m sure MMRDA or whoever is behind this has a plan but wat can it possibly be...

Annual rainfall of the cities

Singapore - 235 cm
Hong Kong -235 cm
Kuala Lumpur - 240 cm
Bombay - 220 cm
Calcutta - 158 cm

If Singapore, Hong Kong and our own Calcutta can manage underground Metro, I dont see any reason, why Bombay cannot.

Annual rainfall of the cities

Singapore - 235 cm
Hong Kong -235 cm
Kuala Lumpur - 240 cm
Bombay - 220 cm
Calcutta - 158 cm

If Singapore, Hong Kong and our own Calcutta can manage underground Metro, I dont see any reason, why Bombay cannot.

hmm, that average rain fall, but if I recollect my memories of 2005 flooding in one day it was 994mm, I dont think so any Indian city is designed to handle this one. If you forgot 2005 flooding see nat geo the usually show Mumbai flooding within every 2-3 weeks. If this happens again and metro fails to run, like locals then its waste of money, I know they must be taken care of this situation, but still I dont believe them unless is get tested by mother nature.

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai

hmm, that average rain fall, but if I recollect my memories of 2005 flooding in one day it was 994mm, I dont think so any Indian city is designed to handle this one. If you forgot 2005 flooding see nat geo the usually show Mumbai flooding within every 2-3 weeks. If this happens again and metro fails to run, like locals then its waste of money, I know they must be taken care of this situation, but still I dont believe them unless is get tested by mother nature.

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai

??

so we should first build some sort of swanky "world class" ;-) drainage system. then wait for another 100 cm rainfall day. make sure everything worked as expected and only then think of an u/g metro?

every city has its own issues. there are u/g metros in los angeles and san francisco, both eartquake prone cities. singapore (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/18/2957114.htm?section=justin) was flooded as well (3 times this year). if they can dig a hole in the ground i think bombay will be just fine.

Annual rainfall of the cities

Singapore - 235 cm
Hong Kong -235 cm
Kuala Lumpur - 240 cm
Bombay - 220 cm
Calcutta - 158 cm

If Singapore, Hong Kong and our own Calcutta can manage underground Metro, I dont see any reason, why Bombay cannot.

Singapore has two monsoon seasons... KL has 6 months of monsoons... n dunno about Calcutta... but Bbay has only about 3-4 months of torrential rainfall... so the figure you got above for Bbay is annual practically over only 3 months... and other cities are also better prepared... with or w/o u/c stations, I am assuming they don't have as many rainwater pools during monsoon... just assuming tho... but Mumbai already has a clogging problem... it is close to flooding in urban cities... then how will this be handled... but i cud be wrong...

its not just the rainfall, one has to take into account underground water systems, soil type, etc. How much land in Kolkatta is land that was reclaimed from the sea? Think about the issues around that. However, an underground metro is not unrealistic in bombay but a lot of factors have to be taken into account when deciding to build a series of tunnels and not because other metros who also get lot of rainfall have built it.

how many people here have been in bombay during the monsoons? do you know which are the areas that get flooded? its not all over the city

and its quite easy to have a slightly elevated entrance to the station that keeps it above the water. its simple engineering, not some high-tech expensive solution

Metro Work In Progress JP Road Andheri West from Navrang Cinema to SV Road.

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No Sign of Metro Rail Overbridge on JP Road (Bridge crossing railwayline)
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No right turn from sv road.
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Underground or over? U-turn IIT prof leaves MMRDA confused

By: Anshu Awasthi Date: 2010-10-03 Place: Mumbai

IIT Bombay prof vouches for elevated metro in the city in 2003 but in 2010, he wants underground metro for Juhu-Bandra. MMRDA baffled

In 2003, a group of professors including those from IIT Bombay were part of a committee set up to the elevated metro rail plan. IIT professor S L Dhingra was on the team. The plan chalked out by the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) along with IIT Bombay and Tata Consultancy Services, was accepted by the Mumbai Metro Region Development Authority (MMRDA).

Six years later, S L Dhingra was approached by the Juhu Vile Parle Development (JVPD) citizen's association to conduct a comparative evaluation between elevated and underground metros, to help them figure which was better for the suburb.

In a 64-page report, Dhingra concluded that the underground metro was technically, socially and economically more viable.

This U-turn has left the MMRDA in quite a fix since Dhingra who was previously on the metro committee, has suddenly switched preference from an elevated to an underground railway line.

The route in question is the second corridor of the metro from Charkop to Mankhurd, which has been surrounded by controversies from day one. Everyone, from citizens to actors, have been protesting the elevated metro rail.

"If Dhingra had come up with a suggestion for an underground metro to the DMRC in 2003, the authorities would have taken it into consideration. Now it's late for us to change our plan. All tenders have already been floated, the soil testing has been done and work is scheduled to start next month," said Dilip Kawatkar, spokesperson, MMRDA.

Dhingra justified his changed stance, saying, "In 2003, the elevated metro rail was a master plan for Mumbai but it wasn't region specific. Recently, when Juhu and Bandra citizens approached me, I realised after research that an underground metro in those areas could alleviate their grievances."

Explaining why the underground route would be cheaper, Dhingra added, "An elevated metro is more expensive, and will require land acquisition. The land cost for an underground metro would be zero since underground land doesn't belong to anyone."

The JVPD association members admitted that they were aware that Dhingra was already part of a committee that had suggested the elevated metro. "We just wanted a knowledgeable person to conduct thorough research. Had the MMRDA asked for a region-wise report earlier, Dhingra may have suggested the same," said Sujay Jairaj, member of the Juhu Vile Parle Development Scheme Association.

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2010/oct/031010-iit-professor-underground-metro-mmrda-news-mumbai.htm

yeh dhingra saab ek number ka ch****ya hain.

Debate in Maharashtra Times on Metro Rail - Elevated or Underground. (in marathi between Ratnakar Gaikwad and Aashish Shelar)


अन्यथा मेट्रो शक्य नाही!
- रत्नाकर गायकवाड ( आयुक्त, एमएमआरडीए )

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भूमिगत मेट्रोच व्यवहार्य
- आशिष शेलार ( भाजप गटनेते, मुंबई महपालिका )

http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/6674748.cms

Bandra-Mankhurd should at least start.... and Dahisar-Andheri also, this way were linking up and eventually making one line after u/g is approved.

Bandra W - Mankhurd will have more problems than Bandra - Andheri. It crosses three railway lines (and may be slums too). Hope they settle those problems in the mean time. Else it will become another SCLR.

An elevated metro makes sense for most of the low lying areas on ANdheri Kurla Road. But for other phases it looks like there is more than what is seen or discussed. The reason why MMRDA is so keen on an elevated track is because then it would have to spend far less on safety and upkeep, than it would have had to in an underground metro. Thus, lesser reliance on Centre funds. If you track the bread crumbs backwards, you ll see that the basic reason is the bickering and ego clashes between State and Center on who gets the bigger pie of the real estate boom and the revenue that the metro will generate. In all these discussions of the metro, no where have I heard about parking plans around metro stations, the widening of access roads, the plans to keep encroachers at bay (Being state run, the stations at Metro in all likelihood will be taken over by hawkers and sellers) and safety and evacuation procedures. The placement of columns, pillars has been surreptitiously changed many times without much reason (I had the opportunity of looking up one of the "Independent Engineers Audit" who comprised mainly of MMRDA officials), to suit shops and avoid litigation. No reason regarding the safety and suitability of structure was given. Also, the access roads to the metro stations are being widened rather arbitrarily and only cosmetic changes are made. For example, some shops near andheri station were not even touched for road widening, thus making the rest of the road forward, unusable.

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Hi Pyratun...welcome! Can you give some more insights on bidding for the future metro routes if you do have access to MMRDA officials...? When do they plan to start bidding for the colaba-bandra and charkop-dahisar sections ? thanks!

What is the expected date of completion? Plz reply!

If I am not mistaken it was supposed to be completed by the end of this year. That date has now been moved to mid-next year with the trial runs some time in March followed by public access some time in August.

My feeling is that it will get delayed further and public access will be some time in October.

Update: Found the article where I read this
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_metro-i-will-hit-the-mumbai-tracks-in-august-2011_1440852

Our Metro is running late

Mumbai Mirror 5-10-2010.
Ravikiran Deshmukh & Geeta Desai mirrorfeedback@indiatimes.com

No way can MMRDA meet the June 2011 deadline for Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar line,say activists who surveyed the corridor


Perhaps,bravado is part of training imparted to those involved in development projects.Even then,MMRDA officials have to be the bravest of the lot.These pictures depict ground reality of the Metro project connecting Versova,Andheri and Ghatkopar.But MMRDA officials are confident trains will run on this 11-km corridor by June 2011.

Around two weeks ago,MMRDA Commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad met residents of areas that are being affected by the construction.Post meeting,residents decided to conduct a survey of the corridor themselves,to prove MMRDAs claims are tall and hollow.

Activist Sherley Singh,who is secretary of Juhu Scheme Resident Association (JSRA),and architect Nitin Killawala,spent days studying every aspect of the construction and came away disappointed.They list a few reasons why the project cannot meet the June 2011 deadline.


WORK AT STATIONS

Of the 12 stations,only three have reached the slab level.To meet the deadline,50 per cent construction on the route should have been over by this time.Singh and Killawala found not a single station ready. Singh said,I am a layman,but my estimation is,the project will go on till at least 2018.The corridor will have to go over Andheri Railway Station. But even the design for that is not ready.

NO FIRE DEPT NOC

Fire Department said the question of giving the project a no-objection certificate does not arise,as the plan has no safety standards in place.

Chief Fire Officer Uday Tatkare said,We have posed several queries to MMRDA,and have pointed out loopholes in the project.Our officers visited Delhi to study the Metro there,and we have our doubts about the Mumbai project.

SAFETY SYSTEM NOT CLEAR

Tatkare raised the point,asking,We want to know about the fallback plan when train develops technical snags.What will happen after the train stops in its tracks

ONLY 247 PILLARS ARE READY

At a lot of spots along the corridor,an odd pillar stands in the middle of dug-up roads.Looking at those spots,it is obvious that if work starts on war-footing now,MMRDA will have some hope of getting the basics in place by June 2011. As of now,only 247 pillars of the 450 pillars are ready. Singh said,Even these 200-plus pillars are in various stages of construction.Which means,only 2.4- km of viaduct (tracks) is installed out of total 11.8-km route. She said at this rate,the entire route can take up almost a decade to get ready.

Singh said had MMRDA opted for the latest tunnel technology for the project,it would have ensured all tracks are 40ft below the ground,resulting in no disturbance to existing infrastructure.

We definitely want Metro in Mumbai,but we want that MMRDA to consider all options for the future eight corridors based on Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar line, she said.

MMRDA CONFIDENT

Dilip Kawathkar,Joint Project Director,MMRDA,said work was going better than planned.He said,We advanced our earlier deadline of March 2012 after taking into consideration pace of the work.The civil work will be over as per the new deadline of June 2011,and we have the necessary NOCs.

Our Metro is running late

Mumbai Mirror 05-10-2010
Ravikiran Deshmukh & Geeta Desai mirrorfeedback@indiatimes.com

No way can MMRDA meet the June 2011 deadline for Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar line,say activists who surveyed the corridor


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While the MMRDA is confident that the project is well on track,a recent survey has revealed that only three of the 12 stations have reached slab level and the department is yet to procure a fire department NOC

http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/getpage.aspx?pageid=4&pagesize=&edid=&edlabel=MMIR&mydateHid=05-10-2010&pubname=&edname=&publabel=MM

From the pictures posted by Fuwad and Coolguyz in the past on this forum it was clear that the project would not be completed on time. Maybe these architects and MMRDA officials need to vist this forum to check for construction updates rather than wasting a day going around the metro route for updates. MMRDA and Reliance Metro are late in everything, including updating their own freakin' websites. What more could we have expected from them.

Bangalore metro is in the later stages of construction and roofs are already being laid for station buildings and I believe construction there started after Mumbai. We will have our reaons as to why Mumbai metro was delayed, but the stage it is at right now is a joke.

Bangalore metro is in the later stages of construction and roofs are already being laid for station buildings and I believe construction there started after Mumbai. We will have our reaons as to why Mumbai metro was delayed, but the stage it is at right now is a joke.
+1 Bangalore started much later and is way ahead. There are plans to complete entire phase 1 with 40 + km metro by 2012. Mumbai will have probably only line 1 of 13 kms by then :ohno:
Infact plan for the metro was ready by 2004 much earlier than Bangalore but the construction started only in 2008. :nuts:

whatever the reasons the pace of construction is too slow for anyone to digest

What is the expected date of completion? Plz reply!

The official date for starting Phase 1 is late 2011. Though honestly I doubt it. At the pace at which they are going it could be 2012 or even 2014. :bash:

well is anybody surpised based on the updates by CG and Fuwad?

i mean everytime i see Fuwad's updates(thankyou for those updates dude much appreciated) its basically just the same for weeks for a layman like me.

I dont know if they are doing anything internal.


Mumbai is going to lose out and become a big rotting carcass if we cant move projects as critical as a 11km metro off the ground.

^^ Every f****ing infra project is delayed.Whether it be jvlr,sclr ,Eastern freeway, Monorail or the idiotic skywalks. And they are not just delayed by a month or two , they are already delayed by 4 -6 mnths or so. And abt mumbai turning into a rotting carcass . It already is , at least the western suburbs are a mess.

I dont know if they are doing anything internal.

well ,they havent acquired right of way in some of the places and places where they have earned right of way ,they take ages to f****ng hand it over to reliance. Besides they havent taken into confidence any of the agencies while carrying out the project. They wanted it all for themselves .

well i have given hope on the metro project

going to stick to cityscapes thread and maybe some of the roads....

Tired of saying that the city will take centuries under current babus to get out of the mess it is in.

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Final-alignment-of-Virar-Alibaug-Metro-highway-corridor-by-Dec/Article1-608956.aspx)

Final alignment of Virar-Alibaug Metro, highway corridor by Dec

The final alignment of the multi-modal Virar-Alibaug corridor will be finalised by December, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Develo-pment Authority (MMRDA) announced on Tuesday. Once completed, the corridor will connect Virar to Alibaug, bypassing the existing routes. The corridor will consist of a Metro rail route along with an 8-lane highway, connecting the two places.
“The alignment will be ready by the end of this year, after which we will be able to begin work on the project. Once the alignment is finalised, we also expect some suggestions and objections coming in. We’ve set a deadline of 2014 for the project,” said a senior MMRDA official.

The alignment of the route is very significant, as it would be passing through satellite towns of Bhiwandi, Kalyan and Dombivli. The MMRDA had, in July this year, appointed the Louis Berger Group as consultants to carry out a feasibility study for the development of the 140-km corridor.

The project, estimated to cost around Rs 10,000 crore, will connect the two locations with a 30-meter wide Metro corridor in the median.

The 8-lane highway will also have a dedicated 4-lane Bus Rapid Transport System (BRTS) corridor. The MMRDA claims that the route will also have 5-meter wide pedestrian pathways along with dedicated parking lanes for both two-wheelers and four-wheelers.

The authority aims to connect the corridor to four significant national highways – NH-8 (Mumbai-Ahmedabad), NH-3 (Mumbai-Agra-Delhi), NH-4 (Mumbai-Chennai), and NH-17 (Goa-Mangalore-Kerala).

First let them finish line 1 and then talk of multi modal corridor

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Final-alignment-of-Virar-Alibaug-Metro-highway-corridor-by-Dec/Article1-608956.aspx)

Final alignment of Virar-Alibaug Metro, highway corridor by Dec

The final alignment of the multi-modal Virar-Alibaug corridor will be finalised by December, the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Develo-pment Authority (MMRDA) announced on Tuesday. Once completed, the corridor will connect Virar to Alibaug, bypassing the existing routes. The corridor will consist of a Metro rail route along with an 8-lane highway, connecting the two places.
“The alignment will be ready by the end of this year, after which we will be able to begin work on the project. Once the alignment is finalised, we also expect some suggestions and objections coming in. We’ve set a deadline of 2014 for the project,” said a senior MMRDA official.

The alignment of the route is very significant, as it would be passing through satellite towns of Bhiwandi, Kalyan and Dombivli. The MMRDA had, in July this year, appointed the Louis Berger Group as consultants to carry out a feasibility study for the development of the 140-km corridor.

The project, estimated to cost around Rs 10,000 crore, will connect the two locations with a 30-meter wide Metro corridor in the median.

The 8-lane highway will also have a dedicated 4-lane Bus Rapid Transport System (BRTS) corridor. The MMRDA claims that the route will also have 5-meter wide pedestrian pathways along with dedicated parking lanes for both two-wheelers and four-wheelers.

The authority aims to connect the corridor to four significant national highways – NH-8 (Mumbai-Ahmedabad), NH-3 (Mumbai-Agra-Delhi), NH-4 (Mumbai-Chennai), and NH-17 (Goa-Mangalore-Kerala).

The idea of an expressway/highway connecting the furthest reaches of suburban Mumbai is not a bad idea, but at this point the idea of a metro-rail seems pointless to me. It's definitely a future option, but right now we have planned metro/monorail connectivity to these places. One thing they could do is design the highway with enough medians designed in a way that you can build a metro line along the highway...say 7-8 yrs from now.

Also, if it's a 8-lane highway, then I assume it's going to be something like a limited access highway, so y would you have pedestrian walkways & parking spaces for cars? MMRDA folks have some seriously crazy ideas!

Scrap plans for all other lines and build just this one first. These dumb asses change plans every few months going from underground to elevated like it is so easy. So f*%$ing confusing that I won't be surprised if one of the lines ends up being both underground and elevated one above the other.

Scrap plans for all other lines and build just this one first. These dumb asses change plans every few months going from underground to elevated like it is so easy. So f*%$ing confusing that I won't be surprised if one of the lines ends up being both underground and elevated one above the other.

lol...lol...

Scrap plans for all other lines and build just this one first. These dumb asses change plans every few months going from underground to elevated like it is so easy. So f*%$ing confusing that I won't be surprised if one of the lines ends up being both underground and elevated one above the other.

+1. The way these guys go about changing plans every few weeks, I think that's what they should do. As a Mumbaikar, I'd want the metro to be up and running quickly, but I'd rather have a good job done rather than a hasty one. And while the average Mumbaikar would be sad if other cities' metros came up mush faster, it doesn't matter if we end up getting a metro that meets our needs - the challenges facing this city are very different than those facing DEL or BLR for e.g.

Concentrate efforts on getting the metro running by aug 2011, and meanwhile plan for the next 3 phases - do your soil testing and geological studies, rehabilitation plans & land acquisition and involved the public so that there are no protests later. Once you have these, then you can actually build 2-3 lines at the same time, and still meet the 2015 deadline for Phase 1.

HT (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Metro-tracks-to-run-over-rail-lines/Article1-610301.aspx)
Metro tracks to run over rail lines
With just nine months left for the deadline, work on the most important phase of Mumbai’s first Metro route — Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar — is set to begin. Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), which is building the Metro, will soon begin erecting a 10-metre-high pillar between the railway tracks for fast and slow trains at Andheri.

Western Railway (WR) would shift cables, wires and other utilities next to the tracks in the coming week.

It is on this pillar that the Metro cars will run, directly above the rail route.

“The pillar is the most complicated part of the project. We have asked WR to move the utilities underneath the tacks,” said KP Maheshwari, MMOPL director.

This pillar would support girders connecting Andheri east and west. The Metro cars would run perpendicular to the railway line on these girders.

WR will barricade area to ensure that work on the pillar does not delay train services and most of the work would be carried out late at night.

WR sources said on condition of anonymity as they are not authorised to speak to the media that as of now they would only remove stones and excavate the spot where the pillar will come up.

“You cannot start construction until the Commissioner for Railway Safety approves it. MMOPL hasn’t ye t got this permission. They submitted their [technical] drawings only recently,” said a senior WR official.

MMOPL and WR have been at loggerheads for several months over permissions for construction over the railway line. “We will see the final set of designs and only after scrutinising it will we give the go-ahead for any work,” said S Chandrayan, WR’s chief public relations officer. The railways have proposed an elevated corridor above the line, to be constructed 16 metres above the tracks. This elevated corridor between Churchgate and Virar would run above the Metro line.

The reason for all this delay is the tussle between Center and State agencies (remember the state pissed of the center by building the metro under the tramways act). WR, being a central body, is claiming its pound of flesh. Also, add to that the tussle between BMC and MMRDA over shifting of utilities in one of the busiest roads in Mumbai. PLUS, the unaudited work of Reliance. As my friend who works in reliance put it rather bluntly, "Loot machi hain". PPP takes an entire new definition whenever Reliance is involved. Heck the metro station coming up at Andheri station is the biggest joke ever. I travel to Andheri everyday and its not hard to figure out why the state (to avoid wasting valuable real estate by building on it) chose to build the station on a busy road instead of moving to acquire the empty plot nearby. I dont want to appear alarmist by check this out
Energy - Reliance
Water Supply Privatisation Pilot - Reliance Consortium
Mumbai Mumbai Metro Phase I and II - Reliance

Why dont we just pack mumbai and present it to Reliance?

And FTR, the pillars at JP road near the end towards anndheri are literally filled with filth and on the verge of rotting.

Did anyone notice that the pier caps on JP road are smaller than the other ones on AK road? Is that okay? I am curious to know.

Hi occupied...
I dont have access to MMRDA officials. I just had access to their reports. Shhh!! :P. Also the bidding process is a joke if you ask me. But then I hate to sound so dismissive of the entire process. If the works getting done on time, I dont care who does it. There was a wiki entry on the Mumbai Metro Wikipedia page (it was removed later) where it was claimed that Mr. Sreedharan, who was the consultant for planning this metro, was surprised at the sudden change in alignment from Colaba-Bandra-Charkop to Mankhurd-Bandra-Charkop, while talking about Colaba Mahalakshmi going underground. But all that is past now. No point in cribbing about it. Just worried and hope that they dont screw up the second line also.

Why are they putting pillars between the slow line and the first line? Why can't they construct a suspension bridge??? (I hope it's the right word) just like DMRC has done at different locations at Delhi?

Hurdles cleared, work for Andheri metro rail overbridge starts

Published: Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010, 2:17 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

Despite numerous constraints and pressure from the media, some residents, and the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium Reliance Metro One has claimed to have cleared all the hurdles in the construction of the Andheri rail overbridge (RoB).

According to metro officials, construction for the bridge, which is the key to the 11km line running between Versova and Ghatkopar via Andheri, has already begun in phases.

Speaking to DNA, KP Maheshwari, director, Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), said the Western Railway has given an informal clearance to the MMOPL to go ahead with the work inside the railways premises.

“Though the formalities, like signing of an agreement between the two parties, are awaited, we — along with the railways — have started the identification and removal of the underground utilities inside the railways area. With the work having started 45 days back, the bridge is expected to be erected in eight months,” said Maheshwari.

The bridge’s girders are being constructed at the factory of Kolkata-based government of India company, BBJ. “The construction of the girders is already on, and they will be transported to Mumbai by road,” added Maheshwari.

The construction of the 183m RoB remains one of the most crucial aspects of the metro line, work on which, the MMOPL’s claims, will commence by September next year. Activists and those demanding an underground metro for the second line from Charkop to Mankhurd via Bandra have been critical about the construction of the first line as well.

In spite of the criticism, officials from the MMRDA (which has a 26% stake in the special project vehicle) have maintained that the first line will commence by September. “We have initiated the construction of other metro stations as well. Critics may say that work for many stations still has to be started. But the stations will be ready within the time limit,” said Maheshwari.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_hurdles-cleared-work-for-andheri-metro-rail-overbridge-starts_1451366

MMRDA is talking of a September start and they have not laid a meter of track nor are any of the stations even close to full construction. These guys smoke some really good s#!t. Best option for the city of Mumbai to survive would be to make it a UT.

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-52196720101014

Reuters) - Reliance Infrastructure Ltd said on Thursday it had achieved financial closure for the second line of the Mumbai Metro, which is expected to cost 115 billion rupees ($2.6 billion).
A consortium led by the company had won rights to build the second line last year. It has signed an agreement with the government of Maharashtra to build and operate the project for 35 years, extendable by another 10 years.
The company, part of the Anil Dhirubhai Ambani group, is also building the first Metro line in India's financial capital, which is likely to start operations next year.
(Reporting by Prashant Mehra; editing by Sunil Nair)

:cheers:

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-52196720101014

Reuters) - Reliance Infrastructure Ltd said on Thursday it had achieved financial closure for the second line of the Mumbai Metro, which is expected to cost 115 billion rupees ($2.6 billion).
A consortium led by the company had won rights to build the second line last year. It has signed an agreement with the government of Maharashtra to build and operate the project for 35 years, extendable by another 10 years.
The company, part of the Anil Dhirubhai Ambani group, is also building the first Metro line in India's financial capital, which is likely to start operations next year.
(Reporting by Prashant Mehra; editing by Sunil Nair)

Another Article....

R-Infra raises Rs 7k cr for Mumbai Metro project

15 Oct, 2010, 01.25AM IST,ET Bureau

MUMBAI: Reliance Infrastructure said on Thursday that it has tied up debt totalling Rs7,000 crore for developing the second Metro rail project in Mumbai, connecting the suburbs of Charkop, Bandra and Mankhurd. The total project cost is Rs11,500 crore.

Mumbai Metro Transport Private, the special purpose vehicle implementing the Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd corridor, tied up the debt with seven financiers led by Axis Bank , the Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group company said in a statement.

The SPV is owned by the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium, which includes Reliance Communications and SNC Lavalin of Canada.

“We have tied up the entire Rs7,000 crore of debt funding and are ready to achieve financial closure for the project within the stipulated nine months period in the concession agreement. The average rate of interest on the debt is 10.5-11.0%,” Lalit Jalan, chief executive officer of Reliance Infra told ET.

The project, which is being set up under the public-private partnership model, would receive a viability gap funding of Rs2,298 crore from the Maharashtra government, while the balance amount would be infused by Reliance Infrastructure through equity contribution.

Reliance Infrastructure is executing the project on a build-operate-transfer basis, for a concession period of 35 years with an extension clause of another 10 years.

The project entails setting up a 32 km metro rail line connecting Charkop in northern Mumbai to Bandra in the west and then to Mankhurd in the eastern part of Mumbai. The route will have 27 stations. “We hope to start construction on the second metro line by December. As per our agreement, the project would be completed in five years from the beginning of construction,” Mr Jalan said.

Reliance Infrastructure is also executing the first Metro rail project in Mumbai on the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar route. That project would be completed ahead of schedule in 2011, the company said. After the transfer of its power generation units, except the 500 MW plant at Dahanu in Maharahstra, and upcoming power projects to group company Reliance Power , infrastructure projects have become the key growth area for Reliance Infrastructure. On Thursday, Reliance Infrastructure’s scrip ended at Rs1,074.70 on BSE, down 2.02%.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/railways/R-Infra-raises-Rs-7k-cr-for-Mumbai-Metro-project/articleshow/6750976.cms

Why are they putting pillars between the slow line and the first line? Why can't they construct a suspension bridge??? (I hope it's the right word) just like DMRC has done at different locations at Delhi?

i think its still a suspension bridge:
2 possibilities:
1. Its a single column(pillar) suspension bridge, so it has to be in the middle, this design can be more economical, or
2. The pillar that you are seeing is a temporary one that they will need until the bridge is finished

Sorry, we cannot pay for metro-III: Centre

Published: Saturday, Oct 16, 2010, 4:17 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The department of economic affairs has rejected the demand of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) to provide viability gap funding (VGF) for the third line of metro between Colaba and Bandra.

The department has also asked the authority to look for other options of a financial model, which may include aid from international agencies.

MMRDA metropolitan commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said the authority might not be able to construct the third line on a Public Private Partnership (PPP) model. “We may be forced to adopt either a direct contract method like the Delhi metro or go for a combination of both PPP as well as direct contract such as the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation’s (DMRC) airport route,” said Gaikwad.

This also means that the role played by either the World Bank or the Japanese International Co-operation Agency (JICA) will now be crucial. “Both the agencies are keen on funding the third line since the expenses required are huge. If any of the agency bags the third line, it will definitely flaunt it,” added Gaikwad.

Sources in the authority said the centre had gone back on its words. “Earlier, the centre was saying that they were ready to fund part of the viability. We have tried reducing the VGF by checking for underground commercial development around the station areas, which has also failed. Now it will depend on WB or JICA’s role which will decide the fate of the third line,” added an official.

The third line initially was planned completely underground from Colaba to Bandra. However, fearing heavy viability gap, it was changed to partially underground from Colaba to Mahalaxmi and then elevated till Bandra.

As per the DMRC airport model, the civil works such as the pillars and the stations are to be constructed by the authority, while the rolling stock (rakes) and other operational activities are carried out under the PPP model.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_sorry-we-cannot-pay-for-metro-iii-centre_1453323

maybe mumbaikars need to stop paying their personal income tax...."sorry"

The Bastard goons in Delhi gave 30,000 Crores for Delhi Metro but wont give 2500 Crores to Mumbai. Shame on the eunuch Political leaders of Maharashtra
who know nothing better to do then licking ass of the Congress I goons.

check the loans funded by CENTRE for delhi metro...and then throw these expressions yaar...cheers

If the center can't give us money, let us have the money from the Swiss accounts of all these politicians. I am sure that the amount of money from these politicians can easily exceed more than 2500 crores from just a handful of politicians from their Swiss bank accounts.

^^ Very True

Sorry, we cannot pay for metro-III: Centre

Published: Saturday, Oct 16, 2010, 4:17 IST
By Ninad Siddhaye | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The department of economic affairs has rejected the demand of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) to provide viability gap funding (VGF) for the third line of metro between Colaba and Bandra.
.................................
As per the DMRC airport model, the civil works such as the pillars and the stations are to be constructed by the authority, while the rolling stock (rakes) and other operational activities are carried out under the PPP model.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_sorry-we-cannot-pay-for-metro-iii-centre_1453323

i am sure centre would have had more than 30% for phase 1 and phase 2
therefore they are not willing..... or maybe the cost mentioned by MMRDA was ridiculous,....

The Bastard goons in Delhi gave 30,000 Crores for Delhi Metro but wont give 2500 Crores to Mumbai. Shame on the eunuch Political leaders of Maharashtra
who know nothing better to do then licking ass of the Congress I goons.

haha... this is nuthing new... all the funds get pumped into Delhi and UP... this is where most of the high profile goons live... ironically Mumbai contributes most to the GDP... but then this is again between the state and centre... the viability gap was only bout requested on the third line... yet... but they won't get substantial cuts for projects in Mumbai... may be why...

check the loans funded by CENTRE for delhi metro...and then throw these expressions yaar...cheers

If only you had checked before giving any advice.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/govt-proposes-rs-4000-cr-investment-for-dmrc-27879

In addition there are other links you will find if searched on other funds which were earlier given by the Govt of India for Delhi Metro.

Well again vicky...you need some rest...30,000 Cr as mentioned by you is not funded by CG alone..DMRC has taken loan from Japan.....which they are paying of easily....also the difference between the cost of delhi and mumbai metro is big.......Delhi metro did it efficiently.....whereas you guys yourself know how Metro in mumbai is progressing ......

so please clear your facts and stop blaming others for everything..

cheers

Source: Wiki


Funding
The capital cost of Phases I and II has been estimated to be 14,430 crore (US$3.25 billion) at 2004 prices.[56] However, more recent estimates have placed the cost of construction at 200 crore (US$45 million) per kilometre.[57] Thirty percent of the total investment for Phases I and II has been raised through equity capital with the Government of India (GoI) and Government of Delhi contributing equal shares,[56] and approximately another 60 percent has been raised as either long-term or subordinate debt, through soft loans from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation.[58] The rest of the investment is proposed to be recovered from internal revenues through operations and property development.[56] The Metro also received 1,914.3 crore (US$430.7 million) as grant-in-aid from various agencies for the financial year ending March 2009.[59] As of August 7, 2010, Delhi Metro has paid back an amount of 567.63 crore (US$127.72 million), which includes loan amount for Phase I and interest amounts for Phases I and II, to the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).[60]

Don't wanna argue with you..however, Delhi metro did sensible thing instead of crying and further delaying the project...thanks

what pisses me off is why did they first say ok to the viability gap and then go back on their word?

Mumbai has already given the first two lines on a build operate transfer basis with PPP with reliance infra.


So some help with regards to the most expensive and complicated line would be more than welcome.


Mumbaikars in general do not get the return on their personal income tax. Sometimes really wonder why i pay my taxes when even some critical projects like the Trans Harbour link and the Bandra colaba line have funding issues.


I came back from Worli tonight and can tell you they are kidding themselves if they think that an overhead extension to Mahalaxmi is even feasible.

Its either all underground or years of PIL's (and rightly so cause those areas are full of legit buildings densely packed)

MMRDA seeks WB loan for Colaba-Bandra Metro line

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority, which is looking for alternative financial models to execute the third Metro rail corridor due to the huge viability gap fund (VGF), is contemplating to implement the corridor on DMRC-Airport model with World Bank funds. The MMRDA officials discussed the idea with the Bank’s officials during the recent meeting last week.

According to Ratnakar Gaikwad, Metropolitan Commissioner, MMRDA, the authority has made it clear to the Bank that the corridors would be executed on Public-Private Partnership (PPP) model and require funding only for the VGF. “We have made our requirements clear to them and now they would prepare a different funding process and come back to us as they only fund entire projects and not give funds for VGF. Except for Colaba-Bandra Metro rail corridor, all corridors will be on PPP model. For Colaba-Bandra, we are exploring to do it on DMRC-Airport model with WB funds as the VGF is huge and the Government of India would only give 20 per cent of the total project cost,” said Gaikwad. In the DMRC-Airport model, the MMRDA would handle the civil construction and concessionaire would handle the rolling stock, signaling, etc.

Colaba-Bandra corridor is partially underground from Colaba to Mahalaxmi and then elevated up to Bandra. The VGF for the corridor is close to Rs 9,000 crore thus making it the costliest Metro corridor in the masterplan. The MMRDA had also explored the possibility of commercially utilising underground metro stations to bring the VGF down, but later scrapped the idea and are now planning to utilise the space on the elevated stations. MMRDA has also planned to extend the Colaba-Bandra corridor to Airport via Bandra-Kurla Complex.

Meanwhile, sources add that WB is keen on funding the city’s metro project and not just the VGF. It would not be an easy task as MMRDA has decided to execute all corridors on PPP model. And the Model Concession Agreement does not have any clause to facilitate foreign funding for PPP projects. “There will be no issues if Bank funds are utilised for VGF as the concession agreement just states the terms and conditions between the agency and the concessionaire. For VGF, it states that Government of India would give 20 per cent of the total project cost,” Gaikwad added.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mmrda-seeks-wb-loan-for-colababandra-metro-line/697365/2

Well again vicky...you need some rest...30,000 Cr as mentioned by you is not funded by CG alone..DMRC has taken loan from Japan.....which they are paying of easily....also the difference between the cost of delhi and mumbai metro is big.......Delhi metro did it efficiently.....whereas you guys yourself know how Metro in mumbai is progressing ......

so please clear your facts and stop blaming others for everything..

cheers

Did you care to read that news item Carefully? The amount given by Govt of India to Delhi Metro in just 2 years is 13,000 Crores (Mentioned by Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee, no less).Again this is just in 2 Years!!!!.The total figure given is 30,000 Crores.

What has Govt of India given to Mumbai compared to Delhi? Delhi Metro is efficient ?? Talk is Cheap, Give 13,000 Crores in two short years to Mumbai then we will see who is efficient.
Even going by your wiki source, it is clear that Delhi Metro is getting a good chunk of the Funds directly from Govt of India (The quantum of money it receives is again understated). Why is Delhi getting it and not Mumbai? Is it because the Goons live there??

Source: Wiki




Sometimes Wikipedia is a very inefficient source considering the fact that any Tom, Dick, and Harry could edit it. Not saying that your argument is baseless, but just saying that I don't trust Wikipedia as a source. Its just a reference and sometimes there are some misleading facts similar to the numbers provided by various sections of Indian journalists.

Did you care to read that news item Carefully? The amount given by Govt of India to Delhi Metro in just 2 years is 13,000 Crores (Mentioned by Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee, no less).Again this is just in 2 Years!!!!.The total figure given is 30,000 Crores.

What has Govt of India given to Mumbai compared to Delhi? Delhi Metro is efficient ?? Talk is Cheap, Give 13,000 Crores in two short years to Mumbai then we will see who is efficient.
Even going by your wiki source, it is clear that Delhi Metro is getting a good chunk of the Funds directly from Govt of India (The quantum of money it receives is again understated). Why is Delhi getting it and not Mumbai? Is it because the Goons live there??


Give me the proof for your stats.....I can make Taj mahal in Mumbai...like that

Waise Vicky it will only be a foolish thing to say that Delhi metro is corrupt and inefficient ....think again..

Did you care to read that news item Carefully? The amount given by Govt of India to Delhi Metro in just 2 years is 13,000 Crores (Mentioned by Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee, no less).Again this is just in 2 Years!!!!.The total figure given is 30,000 Crores.


WTF!!! 13,000 crores are you :nuts:

the total cost given by the centre is not more than 20% and that becomes Rs 6000 cr for 198 km of metro....

whereas in Mumbai i think since till now no loan has been taken for metro i think that is what centre is asking.... you can't build the whole metro without taking a loan of single penny :nuts:
but i am also for the fact that centre should fund at least 10-15% for the MM
and for your information i want to tell you that centre is keen to fund DM 3 phase because Delhi govt. is bankrupt and DMRC has a loan of more than Rs 16000cr taken from Japan' bank and the banks are not willing to give more loan

btw the total cost of 20km third line is Rs 10k crore

that is Rs 500cr for a km...

that is ultimately very very high..... is the MMRDA highly corrupt???

DM had 200cr per km

In this option, the cost was around Rs10,000 crore, with a VGF of around Rs5,000 crore. We were expecting the Centre to accept this model. But its refusal was disappointing

source (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Centre-refuses-funds-for-Colaba-Bandra-Metro/Article1-613648.aspx)

WTF!!! 13,000 crores are you :nuts:

the total cost given by the centre is not more than 20% and that becomes Rs 6000 cr for 198 km of metro....

whereas in Mumbai i think since till now no loan has been taken for metro i think that is what centre is asking.... you can't build the whole metro without taking a loan of single penny :nuts:
but i am also for the fact that centre should fund at least 10-15% for the MM
and for your information i want to tell you that centre is keen to fund DM 3 phase because Delhi govt. is bankrupt and DMRC has a loan of more than Rs 16000cr taken from Japan' bank and the banks are not willing to give more loan

http://content.magicbricks.com/japanese-bank-not-keen-to-fund-metro-phase-3

the important point to note is union and state governments holding equal share of equities... then why isn't centre funding any portion here... this has nuthing to do with JBIC and its willingness...

http://content.magicbricks.com/japanese-bank-not-keen-to-fund-metro-phase-3

the important point to note is union and state governments holding equal share of equities... then why isn't centre funding any portion here... this has nuthing to do with JBIC and its willingness...

Yeah....State and Union hold equal shares.....however...thats only 30% of total funding....Sir..!!!

rest 60% is funded by Japanese Bank and remaining amount is in the form revenue from metro property and advertisements....

then why isn't centre funding any portion here...

see my next post the cost is ridiculous

how can one get Rs 500 cr for a km

even underground section costs Rs 300-350cr per km

maybe centre refused after seeing this(note initially it agreed to give 20% more than that of DM)

developing underground metro(even elevated for that matter)in mumbai is tougher than in delhi...there r rocks nd u hv to dig close to sea level....this makes it expensive compared to non-coastal cities...

the central government needs to spend more on mumbai compared to delhi as mum contributes more to the nation than delhi in terms of taxes nd even support to poor people...there are 1 crore poor people in mumbai living in slums etc. mostly from underdeveloped places...these people remit the money earned here to their resp places and hence effecting close to 7-8 crore people in india...so if the central gvnmt develops better facilities for people, it will effect 10 crore people in india or close to 7-8% of the total population......

developing underground metro(even elevated for that matter)in mumbai is tougher than in delhi...there r rocks nd u hv to dig close to sea level....this makes it expensive compared to non-coastal cities...

the central government needs to spend more on mumbai compared to delhi as mum contributes more to the nation than delhi in terms of taxes nd even support to poor people...there are 1 crore poor people in mumbai living in slums etc. mostly from underdeveloped places...these people remit the money earned here to their resp places and hence effecting close to 7-8 crore people in india...so if the central gvnmt develops better facilities for people, it will effect 10 crore people in india or close to 7-8% of the total population......

Sure about that???

Delhi contributes good enough to deserve what it gets....Very close to what mumbai NOW contributes....its not the same situation 10-15 years back when only Mumbai was the business destination....Figures have dropped considerably...

Anyways ....Agar State govt ki Gaand mein dum nahi GoI se paisa lene ka to ismein koi kya kare...!!! Shiela gets the thing done dande ke zoor pe ...by hook or by crook sooo...humnn

developing underground metro(even elevated for that matter)in mumbai is tougher than in delhi...there r rocks nd u hv to dig close to sea level....this makes it expensive compared to non-coastal cities...


how much more??? it can't be double

And actually this is very confusing...bangalore says their cost is justified as its not easy to bore in alluvial soil in bangalore and its easy for delhi.....

then Mumbai says that Mumbai is difficult to dig as they have rocky stones etc etc...and Delhi doesn't have that issue.....It was not easy to get metro in Chandani chowk area or old delhi area...or near Gurgaon....ehhh

cost cannot be double....and you people fail to acknowledge that DMRC worked efficiently to keep corruption away ...do you think same about Mumbai Metro and Bangalore....I am not saying this as I am from Delhi but as a common man ......

And actually this is very confusing...bangalore says their cost is justified as its not easy to bore in alluvial soil in bangalore and its easy for delhi.....

then Mumbai says that Mumbai is difficult to dig as they have rocky stones etc etc...and Delhi doesn't have that issue.....It was not easy to get metro in Chandani chowk area or old delhi area...or near Gurgaon....ehhh

cost cannot be double....and you people fail to acknowledge that DMRC worked efficiently to keep corruption away ...do you think same about Mumbai Metro and Bangalore....I am not saying this as I am from Delhi but as a common man ......

how much did the total underground stretch of Delhi metro cost?


lets break it down into

(a) total KM of metro underground

(b) Total cost of the metro underground

therefore giving us cost per km underground


Also we fail to notice that Delhi underground metro was finished (or phase 1 underground) was finished in 2002-2005 (all lines phase 1)


Inflation is this country is running at 11%. On average its about 8% when situation is normal. By the time this project is off the ground and finished (5-6years?) thats nearly 50% extra right there simply on inflation. Over a period of 5 years.


If you look at the CWG expenses as well inflation acted as a multiplier effect.


and thats going to be true for most projects in this country which happen down the line.


the eastern flank of mumbai metro will cost more than the Bandra Colaba flank simply cause when its build the value of inflation will mean that its probably twice as expensive.



MMDRA are not a good org. But taking rising inflation into account I feel 10,000 crore (entire stretch underground) as of today seems like a fair amount for a 20km stretch.

how much did the total underground stretch of Delhi metro cost?


lets break it down into

(a) total KM of metro underground

(b) Total cost of the metro underground

therefore giving us cost per km underground


Also we fail to notice that Delhi underground metro was finished (or phase 1 underground) was finished in 2002-2005 (all lines phase 1)


Inflation is this country is running at 11%. On average its about 8% when situation is normal. By the time this project is off the ground and finished (5-6years?) thats nearly 50% extra right there simply on inflation. Over a period of 5 years.


If you look at the CWG expenses as well inflation acted as a multiplier effect.


and thats going to be true for most projects in this country which happen down the line.


the eastern flank of mumbai metro will cost more than the Bandra Colaba flank simply cause when its build the value of inflation will mean that its probably twice as expensive.



MMDRA are not a good org. But taking rising inflation into account I feel 10,000 crore (entire stretch underground) as of today seems like a fair amount for a 20km stretch.



Underground finished before 2005.....what about the violet line recently finished and yellow line from CS to Saket...??? and CS to JLN Stadium...still it din't cost that much of Mumbai did....


And wait for the phase III of delhi metro....you talk about inflation I believe delhi too will feel the heat isn't it....so lets see what's the actual cost of Phase III comes out to be...

Infact doing some math

Rs100 In 2002

became Rs 200 in 2010 in real terms

Cause during the decade India has had 9% inflation on average.


So effectively costs on average have doubled in rupee terms simply based on inflation.

del double post

Underground finished before 2005.....what about the violet line recently finished and yellow line from CS to Saket...??? and CS to JLN Stadium...still it din't cost that much of Mumbai did....


And wait for the phase III of delhi metro....you talk about inflation I believe delhi too will feel the heat isn't it....so lets see what's the actual cost of Phase III comes out to be...

thats cause by the time the mumbai line finished 5-6 years down the line inflation at its current rate would mean that over a 5-6 year period needed to complete the line inflation would have grown by another 50%

This 10,000 factors in the inflation.


Plus is the violet line 15km underground? From what i know its elevated for 11km and underground for 4 km how that comparable to 5km elevated and 15km underground line?



IR bhaishab you really have not factored inflation in this at all. It grows at compound interest

and lets go some more math

Line one is being built from Versova to Ghatkopar at an elevated distance of

11.4 km with 11 stations or stops costing about

What is the total cost of the project?

The Versova – Andheri – Ghatkopar route of the Metro Project is being built at a total cost of Rs. 2,356 crores

http://www.mumbaimetro1.com/HTML/faqs.html#q19

It started construction in Feb 2008.

and that cost is on paper in reality it has risen.

You cannot say that MMDRA has not been efficient cause this was built on a ppp model with private industry Reliance involved.

So that works out to 2,356 or Rs 207 crore per elevated km in 2008 and 1 station on average.

Now lets assume that inflation was zero.

For a 20km line with about 20 stops (or 1 stop per km similar to the first line)

5 km of which elevated 5 *207

and 15 km underground where costs are atleast 1/3 higher than normal elevated stretch or 15* 310

So at a zero inflation rate that works out to rounding off about Rs5500 crore.

With zero inflation since 2008.


With normal inflation of about 10% a year since the year 2008 considering the net sum and finishing date of about 2015 or 7 years from the date of 2008 estimates of metro 1

5500*(1.10)^7

giving about Rs 10,700 crore for the line.....

So it does add up IMO.

thats cause by the time the mumbai line finished 5-6 years down the line inflation at its current rate would mean that over a 5-6 year period needed to complete the line inflation would have grown by another 50%

This 10,000 factors in the inflation.


Plus is the violet line 15km underground? From what i know its elevated for 11km and underground for 4 km how that comparable to 5km elevated and 15km underground line?



IR bhaishab you really have not factored inflation in this at all. It grows at compound interest


What about yellow line 12.53 kilometers and cost still not that much....anyways the simple point is the way to get things done and to know how to get it done....I am not ...ehh

What about yellow line 12.53 kilometers and cost still not that much....anyways the simple point is the way to get things done and to know how to get it done....I am not ...ehh

well the yellow line 12.5 km out of which 4 km are underground and 8.5 km are overground.

and the entire line of 12.5 km was inaugurated in 2005 and cost some 2500 crore to build from what i know. Construction for the line started in 1998 physical construction.


Construction on the colaba to bandra line will start somewhere in 2012 (physical construction) So that a difference of nearly 14 years. (1998-2012)
Thats nearly 14 year at which inflation is on average at 8%. or 112% at compund interest plus the fact that its 20km instead of 12.5km.


Quite frankly IR saheb i really dont think you get what a 14 year difference does to a project in a project in India.Inflation itself will rip apart the cost estimates if we compare it to the other projects off the past.



The centre from my knowledge has not contributed to the Metro. The PPP model the chief contributors have been the Government of Maharashtra, MMDRA(from what money they get selling land) and the bulk of the rest has come from Anil Ambani via reliance industries.


So I dont think the centre have contributed anything of any significant note to the mumbai metro. Please correct me if i am wrong.the Maharashtra government in itself is a net contributor to the GOI. Ie gives more money than it receives.


If it was possible to implement the colaba bandra line on PPP basis i am sure MMDRA would do that. But its just not feasible.

I am sure that other line such as Sweri to Worli will be implemented on a PPP basis. Or even Ghatkopar to Thane/Mulund.

Even the Mumbai monorail is implemented by the MMDRA with funds from the state and itself.




So the question arises, just what major project is the centre significantly funding in Mumbai? Most major projects in Mumbai MMR are either PPP MMDRA and MSRDC

Haji ali Worli sealink/BWSL -- anil ambani reliance infra PPP

eastern freeway-- MSRDC (Maharashtra gov)

Metro-PPP models anil ambani MMDRA

Monorail --MMDRA with no outside funds.

Airport Mumbai -PPP model

Navi Mumbai airport -PPP model with private player and Cidco.

Navi Mumbai metro - PPP model with cidco and MMDRA in part contribution.

Sir yellow line is 12.53 Km underground section...from Central Secretariat till Saket...And it was inaugurated this september ...2010 ...Ichi Boy you seem to be little confused...take a deep breathe have some water...and then maidan mein wapas aa hehe...kiddin...

And if ya talk about GoI funding...what in Delhi as well.??? CWG was a national thing.....

T3 ....Done by a Private Player.....Airport Express Line on PPP Model...Delhi Metro Phase I/ PhaseII ...well 60 % loan taken from Japanese bank....and 15-15% eash from STATE Govt and GoI..what other major projects ehhh..!!!

And Delhi NCR too contributes alot ...its not the situation which was 10 years back with Mumbai alone contributing ..Delhi NCR too has come al long way ...with Bangalore, Chennai & Hydrabad emerging....

The difference is the administration thing...and implementing that...

Sir yellow line is 12.53 Km underground section...from Central Secretariat till Saket...And it was inaugurated this september ...2010 ...Ichi Boy you seem to be little confused...take a deep breathe have some water...and then maidan mein wapas aa hehe...kiddin...


and how much did it cost?

when it construction start?

ok so central secretariat to Qutub minar line is 12.53km (yellow line)



That stretch has 9 stations.


It opened on 3rd September 2010


Construction started in 2005 for this stretch.(correct me if i am wrong)


and it entirely underground.


So how much did it cost.

MMDRA are not a good org. But taking rising inflation into account I feel 10,000 crore (entire stretch underground) as of today seems like a fair amount for a 20km stretch.

ichi bhai that is the problem it is not full undergound see it again

source (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Centre-refuses-funds-for-Colaba-Bandra-Metro/Article1-613648.aspx)

Then the agency looked into the possibility of building an underground Metro line from Colaba to Mahalaxmi and an elevated line from Mahalaxmi to Bandra.

BTW originally they were going full underground at rs 12k crore that is
Rs 600 cr per km that is totally unbelievable :nuts:

and how much did it cost?

when it construction start?

The construction for same started in 2007/2008 and completed in 2010...Sir

ichi bhai that is the problem it is not full undergound see it again

source (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Centre-refuses-funds-for-Colaba-Bandra-Metro/Article1-613648.aspx)

BTW originally they were going full underground at rs 12k crore that is
Rs 600 cr per km that is totally unbelievable :nuts:


sagar bhai

re check my work and math

I have calculated Rs10,000 cost for 15km underground (mahalaxmi onwards)

and 5 km overground (Bandra to Mahalaxmi)

for that Rs10,000 is a fair figure for physcial construction starting in 2012.

The construction for same started in 2008 and completed in 2010...Sir

can you provide any link for that?

sagar bhai

re check my work and math

I have calculated Rs10,000 cost for 15km underground (mahalaxmi onwards)

and 5 km overground (Bandra to Mahalaxmi)

for that Rs10,000 is a fair figure for physcial construction starting in 2012.

for DM phase 3(given nod by Delhi cabinet) 70km=21k crore that is Rs 300cr for a km which has both elevated and underground

still i cannot understand if delhi in 2010 can have Rs 300cr per km why Rs 500cr for mumbai

Just provide me the cost for Cental Sec. to Qutub and start and construction date

based on that we can calculate regardless of the numbers and population density etc if 10,000 is a fair figure.

for DM phase 3(given nod by Delhi cabinet) 70km=21k crore that is Rs 300cr for a km which has both elevated and underground

still i cannot understand if delhi in 2010 can have Rs 300cr per km why Rs 500cr for mumbai

what km of that is underground?

Mumbai metro line 1 is coming out to Rs207 crore per km with 1 station per KM , 11.4 km elevated 11 stations in densely populated area.

(check my posts) and construction started in 2008 so I am guessing with inflation that is slightly less than Delhi metro phase 3.per km

ok so central secretariat to Qutub minar line is 12.53km (yellow line)



That stretch has 9 stations.


It opened on 3rd September 2010


Construction started in 2005 for this stretch.(correct me if i am wrong)


and it entirely underground.


So how much did it cost.


The entire stretch from CS to Huda City Centre cost was Rs 3720 Crore:)....
Total: 27 Kms
Underground:12.53 Kms
Elevated :14 kms

"The Central Secretariat-HUDA City Centre Metro line, built at a total cost of Rs 3,720 crore, is expected to add over 3.4 lakh people to the Metro system by 2011."

Source :http://www.delhicapital.com/delhi-metro/news/gurgaon-metro-progress.html

based on abhi's phase wise map it seems the bulk of it is elevated

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=44468220&postcount=3207

The entire stretch from CS to Huda City Centre cost was Rs 3720 Crore:)....
Total: 27 Kms
Underground:12.53 Kms
Elevated :14 kms

"The Central Secretariat-HUDA City Centre Metro line, built at a total cost of Rs 3,720 crore, is expected to add over 3.4 lakh people to the Metro system by 2011."

Source :http://www.delhicapital.com/delhi-metro/news/gurgaon-metro-progress.html

ok

and when did construction start for the 27km stretch

and just to note so far we have


colaba to Bandra

total distance 20km

5 km elevated

15km underground

Total stations, 20

Cost Rs10,000 crore

Construction to start in 2012


Central Sec to Huda city centre

total distance 27km

underground 12.5km

overground 14km

Total stations 20

total cost Rs3700 crore

Construction date????

based on abhi's phase wise map it seems the bulk of it is elevated

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=44468220&postcount=3207

i think the phase 3 of DM is totally elevated if it is so then Rs300 cr for a km
and for underground it should be Rs400-450cr per km

still Rs600cr per km by MMRDA is ridiculous

i think the phase 3 of DM is totally elevated if it is so then Rs300 cr for a km
and for underground it should be Rs400-450cr per km

still Rs600cr per km by MMRDA is ridiculous

dude construction will start in 2012 and end in 2015 to 2018

come on your taking about big inflation till then


the 32km charkop to Mankhurd line 2 is being built for some Rs11500 crore. fully elevated (360 per km) and about 35 stations.

With 7000 coming from Reliance industries.

http://www.centralchronicle.com/viewnews.asp?articleID=49762


with rest coming from MMDRA and Maha gov


anyways got to goto Dhule and will be back in a week. Take care till then. Still feel that Rs10,000 seems fair cause i know that route. Its full of big issues with regards to soil , land reclaimed from the sea and other stuff.

^^ Ehhh....tu nahi manega...anyways happy journey...

^^ Ehhh....tu nahi manega...anyways happy journey...

well atleast tell me when the contruction of 27 km yellow line stretch started?

Come on, I have been fair and listed all the facts you told me.


Mumbai metro lines 1 and mumbai metro lines 2 are all elevated and coming within the proper range similar to Delhi metro per km elevated with similar number of stations.

So the question arises, just what major project is the centre significantly funding in Mumbai? Most major projects in Mumbai MMR are either PPP MMDRA and MSRDC

Haji ali Worli sealink/BWSL -- anil ambani reliance infra PPP

eastern freeway-- MSRDC (Maharashtra gov)

Metro-PPP models anil ambani MMDRA

Monorail --MMDRA with no outside funds.

Airport Mumbai -PPP model

Navi Mumbai airport -PPP model with private player and Cidco.

Navi Mumbai metro - PPP model with cidco and MMDRA in part contribution.

hmmmm.....

but i hear that a lot of infra is being financed by World bank

well atleast tell me when the contruction of 27 km yellow line stretch started?

Come on, I have been fair and listed all the facts you told me.


Mumbai metro lines 1 and mumbai metro lines 2 are all elevated and coming within the proper range similar to Delhi metro per km elevated with similar number of stations.

safe journey ichi hope to see you ASAP

btw i think 2006 late or 2007

It started in Mid 2007....

The reason why Center is so picky about funding mumbai is
1. Mumbai MEtro is being built under the Tramways Act where all of the real estate development will be under the State Govt. So why should the Center fund the metro if it is not going to get any returns on it.

2. The PPP model is the most ridiculous and most prone to corruption model as evidenced by the progress of Mumbai Metro versus the Delhi Metro.

3. The traditional rivalry between babus in Center and babus in Maharashtra.

The reason why Center is so picky about funding mumbai is
1. Mumbai MEtro is being built under the Tramways Act where all of the real estate development will be under the State Govt. So why should the Center fund the metro if it is not going to get any returns on it.

2. The PPP model is the most ridiculous and most prone to corruption model as evidenced by the progress of Mumbai Metro versus the Delhi Metro.

3. The traditional rivalry between babus in Center and babus in Maharashtra.

but don't they have the same sarkar Congress at centre and state...

Infact doing some math

Rs100 In 2002

became Rs 200 in 2010 in real terms

Cause during the decade India has had 9% inflation on average.


So effectively costs on average have doubled in rupee terms simply based on inflation.


ditto... you can't compare to costs from 2002... n who thinks about real estate in Mumbai? which means cost of procuring land required for metro is higher... but this in most cases isn't true for underground metro... however there is enuf complication from water pipes, electrical and data cables, sewage and drainage lines in the underground plan... n all this adds to costs... i don't claim there is no corruption... but please... DMRC kaunsa doodh ka dhoola hein... akhir mein it's run by Indians...

Sure about that???

Delhi contributes good enough to deserve what it gets....Very close to what mumbai NOW contributes....its not the same situation 10-15 years back when only Mumbai was the business destination....Figures have dropped considerably...


Even in 2008, NCR (~Rs.12000 Cr) was way behind Mumbai (Rs.27000 Cr) in non-corporate income tax. High Corporate tax from Mumbai is a well-published story. U may check out the facts (given by IT dept in response to an RTI query) in Mumbai economy thread.

but don't they have the same sarkar Congress at centre and state...

Yes they do. And may be that is why we are even seeing the projects that we see today. But it makes little difference because when it comes to Mumbai thr is lot of old animosity between State and Center. Center wants Mumbai under its direct control so that it can milk it as much as it wants and State doesn't want to let the only cash cow in state to go to the center. Well, as long as the project is done on time and with good quality, i don't care who builds what.But I do know that state govt has a very poor track record of operating/maintaining infrastructure on its own. Almost all of the WB funded projects in Mumbai were full of patchworks, poor quality work, delays and threats by WB to block funds in view of the poor implementation of projects. In all probability, the metro will be run by a private company (i wouldn't be surprised if it was RELIANCE... AGAIN) even after the BOLT period.

Lets hope AAL is WELL in the end :D

Yes they do. And may be that is why we are even seeing the projects that we see today. But it makes little difference because when it comes to Mumbai thr is lot of old animosity between State and Center. Center wants Mumbai under its direct control so that it can milk it as much as it wants and State doesn't want to let the only cash cow in state to go to the center. Well, as long as the project is done on time and with good quality, i don't care who builds what.But I do know that state govt has a very poor track record of operating/maintaining infrastructure on its own. Almost all of the WB funded projects in Mumbai were full of patchworks, poor quality work, delays and threats by WB to block funds in view of the poor implementation of projects. In all probability, the metro will be run by a private company (i wouldn't be surprised if it was RELIANCE... AGAIN) even after the BOLT period.

Lets hope AAL is WELL in the end :D

how exactly? all Mumbai taxes (revenue) still go to the centre... there is no state tax... only property tax, stamp duty, octroi, tolls, etc. wud go to the state government/city... how will centre benefit from Mumbai... other than a chance to get bigger cuts from development in Mumbai... n that shall also mean... chalo Mumbai!... more slums... centre plz stay away...

^^ i think centre should make mumbai-pune thane as a UT like NCR( i mean separate govt.) but this will never happen because mah govt. will never agree..

^^ i think centre should make mumbai-pune thane as a UT like NCR( i mean separate govt.) but this will never happen because mah govt. will never agree..

I propose centre shud include NCR in Maharashtra instead... i know wat u r thinking... ur request is just as ridiculous... why shud centre make Mumbai-Pune a UT... so that more pple get to come down to these cities... these cities are purely a work of private entrepreneurship/ state policies... n centre has played no role other than setting up HQs for some union agencies in Mumbai... which in my opinion they can happily take back... why shud this be a UT now...?? or u mean every developing city in India shud be a UT in itself? so more pple get to come in... this is communism at its worst... this is like khud kuch pakao nahi, jahaan khaana dikha wahaan ghus diye... the way Gujurat is developing right now, tomorrow you will say make Gujurat a UT...

I propose centre shud include NCR in Maharashtra instead... i know wat u r thinking... ur request is just as ridiculous... why shud centre make Mumbai-Pune a UT... so that more pple get to come down to these cities... these cities are purely a work of private entrepreneurship/ state policies... n centre has played no role other than setting up HQs for some union agencies in Mumbai... why shud this be a UT now...?? or u mean every developing city in India shud be a UT in itself? so more pple get to come in... this is communism at its worst... jahaan khaana dikha wahaan ghus diye...

what???? :lol:

i said that because by that we can remove the bottlenecks and there can be speedy infra progress rather then what we have today by mah govt....
also it is not a developing city it is the Financial hub of our country that is not a joke!!

what???? :lol:

i said that because by that we can remove the bottlenecks and there can be speedy infra progress rather then what we have today by mah govt....
also it is not a developing city it is the Financial hub of our country that is not a joke!!

mah government is a bottleneck only when the current party is in power... n that too bottlenecks are really bcoz of Mumbai circumstances... it is difficult to cut thru the existing set up - slums, land laws, corruption... but may be some other party can work... n no city in India is developed... according to definition of the term itself... n international standards... Financial hub yea... but so wat... tomorrow Ahmedabad may become the financial capital... so wat? it shud go to the centre? instead centre shud adopt something similar to the US... regulate federal laws... give state more control over administration n yet tie everything together thru a union...but that won't happen... centre goons will starve to death...

SscA kisko samjha raha hai yaar..inke dimaag mein kida hai ki delhi gets everything....unhe samjhna nahi...they will take everything in a negative way....stop wasting your time...SSCA....just advice hai....

cheers
IR

SscA kisko samjha raha hai yaar..inke dimaag mein kida hai ki delhi gets everything....unhe samjhna nahi...they will take everything in a negative way....stop wasting your time...SSCA....just advice hai....

cheers
IR

dude it is politiks... we know centre doesn't get everything... state goons get many things too... infact the major chunk may be... but if u claim centre does not get a single penny... as party donations, personal gifts... hahaha... plz samjhana bandh kar do... yeh kida bahut bada ho gaya hein... join politiks... nuthing personal tho... :)

even Abu Azmi, mah state Samajwadi party leader... had declared assests over 138 crores... haha... now imagine his undeclared assets... never in power... where did he make all this money? he owns Hotels, showrooms, real estate... an investigation much be launched to check his family background and source of money invested... now u can almsot guess how much others make... altho Abu Azmi is one of the richest politicians in Mah... but no one dares to raise a finger at Azmi when it comes to his assets... only to save their own asses...

dude it is politiks... we know centre doesn't get everything... state goons get many things too... infact the major chunk may be... but if u claim centre does not get a single penny... as party donations, personal gifts... hahaha... plz samjhana bandh kar do... yeh kida bahut bada ho gaya hein... join politiks... nuthing personal tho... :)


In fact, no major project worth its value will ever see the light of the day if the centre babus are not paid their share. FTR, I was privy to one exclusive bit of information. The so called elevated Virar-Churchgate line is in fact, hold your breath, only a pet project on paper devised by the geniuses in bureaucracy so that it can be used as a bargaining tool for almost every project that runs over the tracks. And in a city like Mumbai, its more often. So do not be surprised if you dont see the project happening even for 25 years from now. Its nothing more than a tool to negotiate hard with state agencies.

you can already see rail bhawan creating hurdles in the metro project and also with regards to ROBs like santa cruz-chembur link road

then you have central agencies like the ports squatting on large tracts of prime land and not using it themselves nor allowing the city to use it

Give me the proof for your stats.....I can make Taj mahal in Mumbai...like that


This is the Finance minister of India himself saying that the amount is being given to delhi Metro. You are talking of Proof??
No amount of questioning or Denying by you or any other Poster is going to NEGATE the fact of Delhi Metro getting so much money.

WTF!!! 13,000 crores are you :nuts:

the total cost given by the centre is not more than 20% and that becomes Rs 6000 cr for 198 km of metro....

This is the link.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/gov...for-dmrc-27879.

Now take a Calcualtor and start adding up the figures 4,140.75 cr + 650 Cr + 2130 Cr + 5883 Cr .What does the total come to? Remember this is just the figure for 2 Years.

Dont try to deny this or try to give a different spin to this.You will loose credibility as this link is to a figure given the finance minister of India.These are hard facts, which cannot be denied.



whereas in Mumbai i think since till now no loan has been taken for metro i think that is what centre is asking.... you can't build the whole metro without taking a loan of single penny :nuts:
but i am also for the fact that centre should fund at least 10-15% for the MM
and for your information i want to tell you that centre is keen to fund DM 3 phase because Delhi govt. is bankrupt and DMRC has a loan of more than Rs 16000cr taken from Japan' bank and the banks are not willing to give more loan

Do you Know the State of Finance of Maharashtra Govt ? It is in a even bigger mess then the Delhi govt.If being in a messy situation is the criteria for getting Loan then why only Delhi why not Mumbai??

Waise Vicky it will only be a foolish thing to say that Delhi metro is corrupt and inefficient ....think again..

Waise Mod i did not say that dehi metro is corrupt or inefficient, it was you who said Mumbai metro is inefficient. I just alluded to a fact: with 13,000 Crores on a platter in just 2 yrs any organization can show a lot of activity and thus show being efficient. Whats the big deal?????

Sure about that???

Delhi contributes good enough to deserve what it gets....Very close to what mumbai NOW contributes....its not the same situation 10-15 years back when only Mumbai was the business destination....Figures have dropped considerably...

Delhi maybe very close to what Mumbai contributes. But the fact remains: MUMBAI CONTRIBUTES MORE THEN DELHI.



Anyways ....Agar State govt ki Gaand mein dum nahi GoI se paisa lene ka to ismein koi kya kare...!!!

This is one statement of yours that i fully agree.

Shiela gets the thing done dande ke zoor pe ...by hook or by crook sooo...humnn

No its not Sheila Dixit who has the ability, Delhi gets the Funds because the Corrupt Congress Goons who rule over India are also based there.

Delhi is not even close to Mumbai... NCR is... but NCR includes Gurgaon, Noida amongst others... which are established towns now... n NCR is huge... whereas Mumbai includes suburban Mumbai and the district of Thane only...

Yet, Mumbai GDP beats NCR by a whopping 60,000 crores...

^^ show me the stats....and yes Delhi NCR is one....

The national capital has the second highest GDP ie $167 billion in the country. And although it cannot rival Mumbai in terms of contribution to the growth of the Indian economy, Delhi is no pushover. It contributes 4.94 per cent to all-India GDP.

Connaught Place, one of India's largest financial centres, is located in the heart of Delhi. Being an important commercial centre in South Asia, Delhi has a per capita income of Rs 78,690, which is more than double the national average.

Delhi's key service industries, backed by as strong and well laid out infrastructure, include IT, telecommunications, hotels, banking, media and tourism. In recent times, Delhi's manufacturing industry has grown considerably and consumer goods industries have established manufacturing units and headquarters in and around the capital.

Source
http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/apr/23/slide-show-1-the-top-10-cities-in-india-by-gdp.htm#contentTop


Not that far behind DELHI is.....and yeah it does not include NCR in it..Imagine with NCR Included...like mumbai does

According to Indicus Analytics, the current price GDP for the fiscal year 2006-07 stood at Rs 2,00,483 crore for Mumbai region, including suburban Mumbai and Thane, and contributed

6.16 per cent to all-India GDP.

For Delhi, including its nine districts and adjoining Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Gurgaon, the total region GDP stood at Rs 1,60,739 crore and contributed 4.94 per cent to all-India GDP size.


and this is just for the year 2006-07...things have gone upwards in NCR region in last 3 years...

Source:

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/gdp-growth-surat-fastest-mumbai-largest/266636/




The whole zesst of story is....That Delhi too contributes alot to national GDP and it is unfair to say that delhi gets it in khairaat....

Mumbai too gets good fund...however instead of goin for public work it goes into the ockets of Maha govt officials....

check how much center pays for infra development in both cities...

Its not about Mumbai or Delhi ...its all about administration...in which you all will agree that your CM & his Govt lacks severely ...whereas in Delhi Shiela Dixit does take a strong stand to get the approvals and get the things done...


Mr. E .Shreedharan himself said that the reason for DMRC completeing its projects and lines on time is due to NO INTERFERENCE and Total Support by Delhi Govt headed by Shiela Dixit....

On other side....we all know that work is going on too slow for everybody's liking...and way of construction too is bad..see the pictures posted by Fuwad...

anyways all the very best....t will be good for India's image if our financial capital get rid of those ugly locals and get the metro system along with monorails in place...

cheers

This is the link.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/gov...for-dmrc-27879.

Now take a Calcualtor and start adding up the figures 4,140.75 cr + 650 Cr + 2130 Cr + 5883 Cr .What does the total come to? Remember this is just the figure for 2 Years.



i am so sorry but the link is not working :)

Not that far behind DELHI is.....and yeah it does not include NCR in it..Imagine with NCR Included...like mumbai does

When they say Delhi most of the times they mean NCR - we may need to check multiple sources for the GDP figure. And Mumbai is Just Mumbai Proper and may be subarban area.

Also what about the taxes. When its said that Mumbai alone contributes 40% of national taxes. We need to see how much NCR contributes in Taxes.

T3 ....Done by a Private Player.....Airport Express Line on PPP Model...Delhi Metro Phase I/ PhaseII ...well 60 % loan taken from Japanese bank....and 15-15% eash from STATE Govt and GoI..what other major projects ehhh..!!!



60% loan is taken, but the Loan will be repaid by the Govt ? If yes then the 60 % can be considered as Govt funding taking total govt investment to 90%. Or is it DMRC who will repay the loan in full/part?

As far as I know for PPP model used in Mumbai center just contributes for Viability Gap which is about 30% I guess for line 1.

60% loan is taken, but the Loan will be repaid by the Govt ? If yes then the 60 % can be considered as Govt funding taking total govt investment to 90%. Or is it DMRC who will repay the loan in full/part?

As far as I know for PPP model used in Mumbai center just contributes for Viability Gap which is about 30% I guess for line 1.

DMRC will pay the loan from its revenues, infact it's been paying for quite some time now.

The PPP model for mumbai is a very popular one and should be replicated all over India as the economy booms and states become richer.

^^

It is very difficult to repay the loan completely with DMRC's revenues. GoI guarantee will be invoked if DMRC does not generate enough revenues. Till now, there was a moratorium for principal repayments. Once the principal payments begin for all the phases, GoI has to shell out a major proportion of money for repayments.

Btw, I heard that profitability of DMRC dwindled this year. It was expected as the operating expenses increase when the system gets old. 20 years down the line DMRC may not make any opearting profits.

And it is true for all metros acrss the world and not only DMRC

DMRC itself has successfully paid the loan (60%) already for phase I ...that too ahead of its term....they did it in 7 years only as against 9 years....thats the reason DMRC is a respected org...


And yeah mumbai does not contribute 40% taxes alone...see the latest figures...

cheers

Are u kidding me....60% of loans repaid by dmrc revenue???? :bash: whats the source???its not possible...nd by the way dmrc is not even in profit for the last 2 years...
source : http://www.merinews.com/article/delhi-metro-reports-losses-for-2nd-year-in-a-row/173.shtml

about 40% of tax collection by mumbai city alone, it may not be same and is sure to come down as new business centres in india develop...

p.s. request u all to quote information alongwith valid source only...

Are u kidding me....60% of loans repaid by dmrc revenue???? :bash: whats the source???its not possible...nd by the way dmrc is not even in profit for the last 2 years...
source : http://www.merinews.com/article/delhi-metro-reports-losses-for-2nd-year-in-a-row/173.shtml

about 40% of tax collection by mumbai city alone, it may not be same and is sure to come down as new business centres in india develop...

p.s. request u all to quote information alongwith valid source only...

Sir, you can check it....DMRC has already paid off its phaseI loan to japanese bank...google it my friend...its a great tool...

and About 40% tax collection from Mumbai..yes this was 10 years old figure...now things have changed very very fast....NCR is running everywhere...

nd ya this thread is related only for the mumbai metro updates...not to discuss gdp....v hv a separate thread for that........

neways charkop-bandra-mankhurd line construction is going to start in december....

just googled it...dmrc has paid back 567 crores out of 6434 crore of loans for phase I.....that is around 8% and not 60%........business standard august 2010 report....

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/dmrc-pays-back-rs-560-crore-japanese-loan/403896/

see again..kuch to kaam karega is bahane...

Are u kidding me....60% of loans repaid by dmrc revenue???? :bash: whats the source???its not possible...nd by the way dmrc is not even in profit for the last 2 years...
source : http://www.merinews.com/article/delhi-metro-reports-losses-for-2nd-year-in-a-row/173.shtml

That "news" is from 2006, and the entire article is a joke.

I don't really know why you guys have this Delhi metro vs Mumbai metro thing going on. The situation in the two cities is completely different in multiple ways. And stats for both metros are all over the place. Maybe we need to collect accurate sets of stats for both before we can compare them in any meaningful way! :cheers:

I dont even know how it turned into a Delhi Versus Mumbai thing. If Mumbai's business is going elsewhere, GREAT... at least that will decongest the city and reduce the burden on the infrastructure and we ll stop building on every inch of land that we see open. Wasn't that the whole purpose of developing new business centers? We should be happy that finally there are more centers that we can boast of instead of bickering on who pays more tax. Every city/area has its demand supply rule.

This city is just too large... It needs a metro of unseen dimensions :(

the debate was is Delhi getting more of Center Funds than Mumbai. :)

Regarding Loan been repaid by DMRC - I just googled
DMRC paid 567 crores out of some 6000 crores (60 % of approx 10000 crores construction cost for Phase 1)
that is only 8 % of the loan amount. Its mentioned they started repayment of Loan from 2007. Thus in 4 years they could pay just 8 %. By this rate it will take 50 years to repay complete loan.

Again This is just Phase 1 they should also have loans for next phases as well.
Not sure if they can pay for so long (it all depends on Profitability), else Govt may have to pay them

Note this is as per Aug 2010 news article

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/delhi-metro-pays-back-over-rs567-crore-to-japanese-agency_100408808.html

http://netindian.in/news/2010/08/07/0007387/dmrc-repays-rs-56763-crore-jica

DMRC will pay their loan themselves...GoI has just financed 15% of the project along with Delhi GOvt paying 15%..anyways bas karo ab...kaam ki baat karo...

^^ i think centre should make mumbai-pune thane as a UT like NCR( i mean separate govt.) but this will never happen because mah govt. will never agree..

Seperate UT may never Happen, but yes it shuld be declared as a single MetroPolitain Area in lines of NCR but as a part of Maharashtra to avoid voilence. This will help in growth of the entire region especially Mumbai- Pune ,Navi Mumbai -Pune, Mumbai- Nashik belt. Good you reminded me of my old posts on SSC regarding this.

Sorry -could not resist posting on above point. Back to topic plz

the debate was is Delhi getting more of Center Funds than Mumbai. :)

Regarding Loan been repaid by DMRC - I just googled
DMRC paid 567 crores out of some 6000 crores (60 % of approx 10000 crores construction cost for Phase 1)
that is only 8 % of the loan amount. Its mentioned they started repayment of Loan from 2007. Thus in 4 years they could pay just 8 %. By this rate it will take 50 years to repay complete loan.

Again This is just Phase 1 they should also have loans for next phases as well.
Not sure if they can pay for so long (it all depends on Profitability), else Govt may have to pay them

Note this is as per Aug 2010 news article

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/delhi-metro-pays-back-over-rs567-crore-to-japanese-agency_100408808.html

http://netindian.in/news/2010/08/07/0007387/dmrc-repays-rs-56763-crore-jica

DM ridership is increasing at alarming rate and DMRC has promised to pay back complete Phase 1 and 2 loan by 2040-45(just see at what % the revenues are increasing) :cheers:

Guys can we keep this thread for news on Mumbai Metro only please.

Can one of you guys discussing this debt issue create a new thread and discuss it there please if you want to contine discussion. This has been going on for the last few days and pages.

Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.

delhi's gdp is hardly of concern if you are discussing contribution to the nation. taxes matter, not production, when you are getting central funds

in fact if your tax-gdp ratio is lower than other cities you probably deserve even less funding

And how is Delhi's contribution negligible SIR!!! even Tax wise...

you say delhi's gdp is 80% of bombays

personal income tax collections though are just above 40% of bombay

i think its beyond any doubt it gets more central funding than bombay

so delhi slacks big time in contributing to the indian state and sucks out way more than its share from contributions made by others

Personal tax for mumbai is less now....and isn't tax generation directly or indirectly related to the income generated ...so GDP does come in picture isn't it??

Sorry I am too weak in economics...

ok so central secretariat to Qutub minar line is 12.53km (yellow line)



That stretch has 9 stations.


It opened on 3rd September 2010


Construction started in 2005 for this stretch.(correct me if i am wrong)


and it entirely underground.


So how much did it cost.

Construction for this section started in 2006.

The construction for same started in 2007/2008 and completed in 2010...Sir

2006


Just provide me the cost for Cental Sec. to Qutub and start and construction date

based on that we can calculate regardless of the numbers and population density etc if 10,000 is a fair figure.

It would be better if you compare Line 3 of MM with Phase-III of DM as both of them will start at around same time (Individual lines for DM Phase-III will start from 2011-2012). Also both of them are half u/g and half elevated. DM Phase-III is 38 km u/g and 32 km elevated.

Now 70 km of DM Phase-III = 21000 cr, i.e, 300 cr/km

20 km MM line 3 = 10000 cr = 500 cr/km

Still MM is almost double expensive.

i think the phase 3 of DM is totally elevated if it is so then Rs300 cr for a km
and for underground it should be Rs400-450cr per km

still Rs600cr per km by MMRDA is ridiculous

See the above comments.

Waise Mod i did not say that dehi metro is corrupt or inefficient, it was you who said Mumbai metro is inefficient. I just alluded to a fact: with 13,000 Crores on a platter in just 2 yrs any organization can show a lot of activity and thus show being efficient. Whats the big deal?????

If 13,000 cr was given by centre in 2 years, then obviously Delhi govt. share too has to be 13000 cr. as an equity partner. And cost for Phase-II of metro was 20000 cr. And DMRC also took a loan from JBIC. So the loan was negative ?? -6000 cr ??

Next time you read such facts, please apply your own mind and logic before generating conclusions. It is not difficult to get misinterpreted.

And if you want proof, you have to make an effort yourself. Just visit Central Secretariat station of Delhi metro to see the breakup of funds displayed publicly. 60% of Phase-I and 50% of Phase-II was funded by JBIC. 10% was from misc sources and rest EQUALLY shared by the two govts.

DMRC will pay their loan themselves...GoI has just financed 15% of the project along with Delhi GOvt paying 15%..anyways bas karo ab...kaam ki baat karo...

DMRC (or for that matter any f***ing metro) cannot repay all of its loan. It can bear the operational expenses and pay a part of the loan. Somewhere down the road, you will find the two govts opening their wallets for part payment of the loan. Sreedharan himself said that.

^^ abhi bhai you have done the calculation write but written MM line 3 is 10km it is 20 km :)

^^ Done. Thanks for pointing out.

Abhi, Not sure if this makes any sense but Delhi Metro has been operational since 2002 (per wikipedia) vs. Phase I of Mumbai metro is still under construction. Would the cost for future phases reduce once the necessary logistics are in place and hence the 300 cr vs. 500 cr/km. If not then the difference is definitely not justified which begs the question, why hasn't anyone made any noise about it.

It is interesting to see us come together as India on the CWG forum and then come to this forum and see Mumbai vs. Delhi.

There;s no Mumbai vs Delhi here...we are just discussing..and moreover its cost we are talking about...

If Govt pays part of the loan for Delhi Metro then the govt contri will increase in case of Delhi Metro. Anyways leave that aside. Why doesn't Mumbai follow the same Model as DMRC ? There has to be a valid reason for Mumbai going with PPP with just small % of Govt share. Is it that there will be more chances of corruption with PPP?

probably. the mumbai metro III costing looks way off compared to any metro line anywhere in the world

probably. the mumbai metro III costing looks way off compared to any metro line anywhere in the world

i said the same thing that because of this centre may have rejected...

Abhi, Not sure if this makes any sense but Delhi Metro has been operational since 2002 (per wikipedia) vs. Phase I of Mumbai metro is still under construction. Would the cost for future phases reduce once the necessary logistics are in place and hence the 300 cr vs. 500 cr/km. If not then the difference is definitely not justified which begs the question, why hasn't anyone made any noise about it.

Dear, read my post again. It is for Phase-III of Delhi metro which will start in 2011 and finish by 2015. Phase-I's cost (which got completed in 2005) was considerably lower at 163 cr per km (13 km u/g, 47 km elevated, 5 km surface).

If Govt pays part of the loan for Delhi Metro then the govt contri will increase in case of Delhi Metro.

In long term, yes.

Why doesn't Mumbai follow the same Model as DMRC ? There has to be a valid reason for Mumbai going with PPP with just small % of Govt share. Is it that there will be more chances of corruption with PPP?

Bangalore and Chennai too are following Delhi metro model, where both Centre and state contribute equally. With PPP, pvt players have a chance to earn which was highlighted by DMRC in case of Hyderabad metro and then the scam unfolded. And we all know how ethical Reliance is anyways.

Abhi, you misunderstood my question. What I was trying to ask is, would the cost of Phase II per km for Mumbai Metro be relatively cheaper than Phase I given that they will have all the logistics in place. In other words if Delhi Metro Phase I were to start at the same time as Mumbai Metro Phase I, would the cost be the 300 cr per km or higher.

On second thoughts I think I need to do the calculations myself for both projects. I asked the original question under the assumption that forum members may already have the answer for it. Thanks.

Bangalore and Chennai too are following Delhi metro model, where both Centre and state contribute equally. With PPP, pvt players have a chance to earn which was highlighted by DMRC in case of Hyderabad metro and then the scam unfolded. And we all know how ethical Reliance is anyways.

That may be one of the reason for exaggerated figures of most of lines in MM . I earlier thought with Pvt player they will finish construction fast so that they can start earning sooner. Not sure why the construction is slow ?

^^ here it is.... there is sure shot corruption of 1000 of crores...

PPP model not suitable for metro rails, says Sreedharan

Mumbai, Oct 20 (PTI) Public-Private-Partnership (PPP) models work well only in projects such as airports, ports, highways, etc and not metro rail projects as the latter offers low returns while being highly capital intensive, a senior infra sector expert said. "Metro projects are very expensive and social projects. They are not expected to make profits. Private players will come in only when there is profit," Delhi Metro Rail Corporation's Managing Director, E Sreedharan told reporters on the sidelines of a function here. Only the Government should undertake metro projects, Sreedharan said, adding both the Central and State Governments should jointly undertake such projects. "Personally, I do not favour the PPP model for metro projects. Ideally, it should be a 50:50 participation from Central and State Governments. Therefore, no one particular Government can dominate," he said. Sreedharan, who is credited with completing the first two phases of the Delhi Metro in record time, said that the Mumbai metro One, being undertaken by the Anil Ambani group on the BOT model is very much beyond schedule. "Currently, L&T and the Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group are building metros. We are yet to see how they will perform," he said. .

source (http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/ppp-model-not-suitable-for-metro-rails-says-sreedharan/430555.html)

They are not expected to make profits. Private players will come in only when there is profit,

if this is true then why reliance agreed to buid MM??? this is clear reason for inflated cost of MM and i am 100% sure that the inflated cost went into pockets of Anil Ambani and Mah. Govt......
THIS IS WHY CENTRE IS NOT FUNDING LINE 3 IMO

Abhi, you misunderstood my question. What I was trying to ask is, would the cost of Phase II per km for Mumbai Metro be relatively cheaper than Phase I given that they will have all the logistics in place. In other words if Delhi Metro Phase I were to start at the same time as Mumbai Metro Phase I, would the cost be the 300 cr per km or higher.

On second thoughts I think I need to do the calculations myself for both projects. I asked the original question under the assumption that forum members may already have the answer for it. Thanks.

First of all, you may need to use correct names for lines for avoiding confusion. What you are describing as Phase-I and Phase-II of Mumbai metro are actually Line 1 and Line 2, which together with Line 3 (Bandra-Colaba) constitute Phase-I of Mumbai metro.

For comparison of costs you may need to match lines of Mumbai with corresponding Phases of Delhi metro with respect to timelines.

Phase-I of Delhi metro started in 98 and finished in 2005. Phase-II from 2006 to 2010. Phase-III from 2011 to 2015.

Mumbai Line 1 started in 2007 (?), so it can be compared with Phase-II of DM. Mumbai Line 2 is supposed to start around 2011, so it can be compared to Phase-III of DM.

I have already shared the cost and u/g - elevated breakup for Phase-III of DM.

Here is the same for Phase-II of DM. 125 km (31 km u/g, rest elevated) in 19,000 cr (that is, Rs. 152 cr per km).

So the answer to you question is that cost for Delhi metro lines which started at same time as Mumbai metro line 1 is half of latter, even though former had u/g potions while the latter is all elevated.

i dont think you got his question. not the best worded i agree

If the question is whether construction of newer lines is cheaper than older lines, then the answer is no because the cost escalation in 4-5 years overrides all the benefits accrued because of experience gained.

OT, I was reading about Second avenue subway of New York. It is 13.7 km long and will take at least 13 years and more than $17 billion to complete. That is about Rs. 5500 crore per km, 20 times more expensive than what DMRC takes to build. Indians are much better off. We can build more than 400 km of metro in that amount.

^^^^ The cost is way too high in USA mainly beacuse of the labor cost. As you all are aware, labor cost is way too high in USA than in India.